Thread 725007503

>https://www.notebookcheck.net/A-Japanese-survey-may-predict-a-troubling-future-for-Square-Enix-and-its-Final-Fantasy-games.1062021.0.html
180 000 players polled.
Millenials? Gone
Zoomers? Gone.
Alphies? Gone.
Entire generations lost due to poor IP management.

Wow, two decades of shit games means no young people like the franchise? That's shocking.

>>725007632
>Two decades
FF14 is not 2 decades old

>>725007503 (OP)
This is what happens when you rely on brand recognition to stay afloat
Japan's gaming industry is dead

>>725007503 (OP)
Millennial is 42.
Also I was very interested in checking out FF7 remake until I heard they ruined the entire story with timejannie BS and threw in excessive side quest padding to excuse their greed for splitting it into 3 separate releases.

>>725007503 (OP)
hourly turd based schizo thread.

Of course they have alienated people. They spent THE ENTIRETY of the PS3's lifecycle on Lightning. The only thing worse than FF13's trash is what we're currently getting shat out now.

Fun fact, FF13-3 Lightning Literally Goes to Paris Edition has outsold FF16 and Stillbirth.

>>725008128
>Bunch of boomers award the game made for boomers
Just proving Op's point lmao

>>725007503 (OP)
>Entire generations lost due to poor IP management.
Square's incompetence has little to do with long running franchises struggling to get new blood, young folks don't wanna get into things that have like 40 titles their grandparents used to play, they want something they can truly call their own, which is also why Persona started with 3 and eclipses SMT in popularity

>>725008128
>Japan
Tiny globalized island with dead population
>user-voted
OPs point is that there are few 'users' that care at all
>turd based
Actiontroons dying unloved

>>725008349
Very white post.

>>725008349
>which is also why Persona started with 3 and eclipses SMT in popularity
more like turd based faggots don't care about gameplay, so they chose the series with no gameplay to champion.

Final Fantasy 13 and 15 released on the PS3 and PS4 and impressions were bad to mediocre
FF16 was also mediocre but not "as bad" as 13 or 15 but not great enough to win a newer younger audience

That's 3 console generation of just bad to mid mainline games

>>725008246
>FF13-3 Lightning Literally Goes to Paris Edition has outsold FF16 and Stillbirth.
Highly based!

>>725007696
FFX-3 was shit and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
So was Everything with Lightning and the Hallways.

FFX was the last good final fantasy. X-II was OK.
Square has been dead since the merger, Enix took over and Enix is fucking shit.

>>725008689
>not "as bad" as 13
13 sold 9.6m units, 19,5m if count all the games in her series.
Don't blame 13 for modern FFs mediocrity.

>>725008349
>which is also why Persona ... eclipses SMT in popularity
I understand this.
>which is also why Persona started with 3
I still don't understand this.

>>725008913
13 is a legitimately bad game. People were enamored by the pretty graphics and the admittedly great soundtrack

>>725007503 (OP)
>wants to attract young and new fans
>make ffxvi rated m with the oldest protagonist in the series
what genius came up with that idea?

>>725008982
Persona 1 and 2 are kinda mid.

>dead series
>still seethes about it everyday
really makes you think

>>725009038
Rated M is good.
Kids don't want to play 'kiddy' games, they're 'mature' and want to play the 'mature' games. T is basically anathema for actual teens.
If it was 'only' rated T, surely it isn't dark or edgy enough for such 'mature audiences'

>>725008985
>People were enamored by the pretty graphics and the admittedly great soundtrack
Sounds like a description of FF7R to me.
Of course the only really good songs were the ones made in the original 90s game, but still.

>>725009219
>card game
See, told you, turn-BASED always wins.

>>725007503 (OP)
The last time a single-player final fantasy game was relevant was the early 2000s. MMOs have their own separate audience and barely even count, the only people who give a shit about final fantasy as a franchise are people who played the games 20 years ago

>>725007503 (OP)
Once they’ve milked every bit of remaining nostalgia for FFVII with the last part of that awful remake, this franchise is toast. There will likely be Final Fantasy-ish games like Bravely Default produced by smaller teams in the company, but the Final Fantasy name has been tossed into the creative blender over and over for so long at this point that it’s lost its identity and become totally meaningless. You can’t just have all these drastic changes between entries and expect a consistent player base.

>>725008982
>>which is also why Persona started with 3
>I still don't understand this.
Persona had the Far Cry syndrome. The first game was decent, the second was alright, but the third one added so much and took it to the next level, completely outshining its predecessors. Then, 4 and 5 stuck to the same formula. Atlus made money by re-releasing the same game with a few differences over and over (P3, P3:FES, P3P, P3:P remake, P3:Reload), while Ubisoft churned out standalone expansions and sequels, leading to franchise fatigue.

>>725009670
>Once they’ve milked every bit of remaining nostalgia for FFVII
that already happened though
i genuinely argue that kingdom hearts is a far 'safer' bet now that people have 7-fatigue

>>725007503 (OP)
I think with 16 and 7R's entire set of games they've realized FF is not the brand it once was which is why they've been trying to do things like I am Setsuna, Lost Sphear, Havestella, Octopath Traveler, and so on to find some new IPs to work with. Currently it looks like Octopath Traveler is their new "niche" JRPG brand, and they have been leaning on Dragon Quest more as of late, but I wonder if they're going to treat FF more like older DQ games in the west where it's off to the side making the occasional game while they try to create a new FF-level IP.

Kingdom Hearts isn't going to be it. KH4 is absolutely going to sell less than 3 and they have to expect that since it doesn't have the decade plus of hype behind it. Everything else they have is either a small player, niche, or nothing that could really withstand being a "main" IP. I wonder how they're going to work through this transitional period because it's not like people are averse to JRPGs, Metaphor, Yakuza 8, and E33 make that very clear, but I think they're sort of aimless at this point. They keep trying to chase trends and reinvent the wheel instead of following what works.

Kek, reading >>725008128 in the context of the pic from >>725009932 makes so much sense.

>>725008246
I wasn't believing you but assuming these numbers are accurate https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy

>Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
>3,110,000+

>Final Fantasy XVI
>4,150,000

>Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
>3,585,000


The worst game of the XIII trilogy (if you even want to call it that) still sold this well, that's just fucking grim.

>>725010075
>they've realized
I don't think they've "realized" anything to be honest.
Otherwise good post.

>>725009895
>Atlus made money by re-releasing the same game with a few differences
and now they got bought out by sega and give every penny they make to them.

>>725010075
>Metaphor, Yakuza 8, and E33
Don't try to lump in that dogshit with E33. E33 outsold both of those releases.

>>725007696
FF4.0?

>>725009932
People have a bigger fatigue of anything Disney related, KH is not in a better position than FF as an IP, unless Square can somehow strip away the Disney from KH.

>>725010184
>I don't think they've "realized" anything to be honest.
Nah, I think they have. 7's final game is likely going to be a swan song more than anything that they're making out of obligation. They're also bringing the 7 and 8 twin pack on Switch to America despite releasing it in Asia like five years ago, also 9's remaster on Switch to America which is the same deal, and they're doing stuff like the 7Re and 7Reb twin pack to platforms just to try to get more copies out.

I think they'll still make a FF17 and give the brand one final shot to succeed past the last FF7 remake. They'll look at E33 as the major shot in their arm that people still want a JRPG and do it, but either they'll pull a Squeenix and make some dumb design decisions or it's simply a matter of it being too little too late and people have moved on from Squeenix's big budget releases in general because of how divisive they are in terms of quality or structure.

>>725010313
>E33 outsold both of those releases.
So? The point is that it shows Squeenix that their entire mindset is wrong as they've been under the impression everyone wants action games when they're missing the first for the trees and that people love JRPGs, Squeenix just decided to ignore them outside of their smaller niche games. 8 sold a million which is massive for the Yakuza series and Metaphor was a surprise hit while E33 was a massive hit. This doesn't change that fact. They're all successes in their own right.

>>725009932
Fucking dire.

>>725009932
>People try to tell you FFXIII didn't kill the franchise

>>725010450
>shows Squeenix that their entire mindset is wrong
Square doesn't have one singular mindset. They still release various turn based games. What you are getting at is Final Fantasy and it being turned based versus action based.

>>725009932
REEEEE REBIRTH WASN'T A FLOP!!! REEEEEEEE
DELET DIS!

>>725010581
>What you are getting at is Final Fantasy and it being turned based versus action based.
Yes, that's what I meant, sorry for being a bit unclear. The entire reason why we've had these more action-oriented FFs and a larger push towards ATB or even realtime action is just because they had no faith in the turn-based model for mainline FF specifically. Yeah, they do stuff like World of Final Fantasy on occasion, but that's few and far between. Most of their actual JRPG experience is put into those games I mentioned earlier, particularly Octopath Traveler.

>>725010495
Come back to me when your game sells 20m total.

>>725010450
It has been reported by people in Resetera that those expecting FFVII R3 to be the last time we will ever see FFVII for a while are setting themselves up to be disappointed. Cause the people within Square Enix absolutely have more plans for FFVII after the remakes are done. Which means they have realized nothing.

New CEO is proving to be a complete useless fool cause it seems Square Enix is restructuring to do nothing but drive Yoshi-P out of power. I mean Yoshi-P deserves plenty of criticisms but he is but the tip of the iceberg when it comes to issues within Square Enix.

>>725008837
>FFX-3
your average lightning hater

>>725010661
The whole reason why we have these more action oriented FFs is because ATB is dead and they had to either shift to being more action or less action. And they chose to do the former when the latter could very well be the better idea. This is the same decision that studios like Bioware and Obsidian had to make with the death of RTWP

>>725009932
The 7 fatigue is real, holy shit.
I'm tired of seeing Cloud and Sephiroth everywhere. It's like Marvel with Wolverine in the 90s. This shit is annoying.

>>725010763
>Cause the people within Square Enix absolutely have more plans for FFVII after the remakes are done.
They could make a shitzillion dollars by releasing an actual proper FF7 remake which just updates the backgrounds and chibis to modern resolution and keeping everything else as it was.

>>725009932
This really puts into perspective how much of a disaster FFXIII was for the franchise.

>>725010763
>New CEO is proving to be a complete useless fool
I had high hopes for this faggot, but as far as I can tell his big play is to replace a retarded strategy with an equally retarded strategy

>>725009932
>Rebirth had less first week sells than a Japanese only SNES game in 1992
....Grim

>>725008913
SE internally considered the negative reception to XIII to be so extreme that they considered the entire branding to be poisonous, hence Agito XIII and Versus XIII not existing under those names. Public statement straight from the brass. With that in mind, we should probably PRIMARILY be blaming XIII.

They also knew FF9 and its supposed tie-in medias (show and etc) was their chance at gathering the younger audience yet they still chose to cancel it.

>>725010981
Didn't he start his whole tenure off by pushing for more NFTs or was that the last guy?

>>725011090
No he is the NFT guy. He is also really really pushy about more AI in video games.

>>725010389
No, Disney's core demographic (women, particularly japanese ones) continue to be the voracious consumers they've always been. It's their out-demographic offerings that have been failing.

>>725010450
>Metaphor was a surprise hit
8 year dev time and got the royal version cancelled kek.

>>725011089
I don't know about that. I kinda don't think the younget audience is on the table anymore. Fortnite, TikTok and other brainrot has already got too deep of a hold for any franchise to break. Blue Prince, Expedition 33, Death Stranding... none of these have a chance at reaching the alphies. This is not JUST a Final Fantasy problem, despite SE's insane retardation.

>>725010939
That's why MG3 remake flopped right?

>>725011363
And it still did as good as Rebirth.

>>725007503 (OP)
Coming from an outsider, the last (3?) games have all looked like the same melodramatic stories and personality-less characters with the protagonists dying in the end.

>>725011501
That's kinda what they are yes.
Even the few fans they still have are realizing this.

>>725011501
That's right, it's happened like 3-4 times. It's the same story every time

source: trust me bro

I'm 41. FF10 was the last FF. Everything after lacks any passion.

>>725012315
Based boomer

>>725009932
FF8 won

Square Enix deserve to fail, the management are literally retarded. All they had to do to keep their brand alive in Japan was support the switch with one decent exclusive game between the years of 2017 and 2025 and they couldn't even do that

>>725012251
Cope more. Dead franchise.

Anyone with at least little self respect would dislike most games after the Snes or PS1 games, stretching the cord a bit to FFX and XII, maybe.

>>725012445
The irony is that Octopath looked like it was going ti BE that game. But they got greedy, it got sloppy, and another one gone and another one gone...

>>725010981
How was that not expected, Square Enix have been floundering for decades, they don't even know why people used to like their games, imagine being a monumental industry trend setting success and being completely incapable of understanding why that happened in the first place all the while trying in vein to repeat that success, Is there a bigger fuck up in videogames than Square Enix, at least with Ubisoft their failure has been predictably driven by fatigue and trying to chase the non existent modern audience that investment firms have assured everyone is the single largest growth prospect.
If Square Enix were literally only allowed to make 1 decision to fix their current state the easiest to make would be a pivot to Nintendo hardware because that's where growth is in Japan as well as growth for games that Japanese culture consumers go to.
I keep saying I'm done but I actually purchased FFXVI, FFVII-R and FFVII-R pt 2 on Steam, I purchased them all day 1 and I regret it.
My only hope these days is that Monolith Soft have their FF7 moment and it 1 hit kills Square Enix and maybe Sony buys them.

>>725012384
based

>>725012445
Capcom did this and literally proved that it was not only a good decision but an amazing decision, only for literally nobody else to follow, I just don't get it.

>>725012548
It lacked the budget and really had a concentrated appeal of hardcore and lapsed JRPG fans who just wanted something new, I can understand why the second game failed to live up to the sales of the first, and part of that was definitely a lack of exclusivity, I wonder if companies just assume that exclusivity is bad or if they actually understand it's value.
Also Unreal doesn't help, Octopath looks like a 1080p/60fps game on the original Switch but it runs like shit and renders at 720p.

>>725008837
how can you complain about XIII's hallways and praise X when X was just as much of a hallway simulator as XIII?

>>725011435
wrong, metaflop barely did 1 million on launch and went on sale a month after release. Funny how faglus doesn't even want to rerelease it when they rerelease all their dogshit atleast twice.

>>725009232
>Rated M is good.
>Kids don't want to play 'kiddy' games, they're 'mature' and want to play the 'mature' games. T is basically anathema for actual teens.
>If it was 'only' rated T, surely it isn't dark or edgy enough for such 'mature audiences'

Practically all the JRPGs that are rising while FF is falling are rated T though. I suspect your thinking is outdated and that stuff like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade are getting teens as they become interested in anime.

FFXVI trying to be "Game of Thrones" is alienating teens while the porcelain faced characters are also alienating the Game of Thrones audience who are buying games like God of War.

>>725012580
>Monolith Soft
it's funny how all these retards who seethe at SE are cult members from companies who aren't even independent.

>>725007503 (OP)
>generation with the most spending capital is your main demographic
>somehow that is a problem and you keep chasing the broke zoomer market
Japanese companies are retarded.

Metaflop, Engage and Xenoshit 3 all sold worse than the last game in the series, guess they are dead too.

>>725012580
>pivot to Nintendo hardware because that's where growth is in Japan
Are you one of those people who think that a not-particularly-slowly dying island nation is somehow an important milestone to international companies with 4000 employees?
Japan has been consumed by gachaslop worse than the west. Take a train in Japan or sit on a bench or visit a school and people aren't pulling out their Switches, they're on their phones doing dailies.

Nintendo has the EXACT same problem as Square Enix does: when the current generation of søyboys dies out they have nothing, the only difference is Square Enix's insanely low quality causing them to fall much faster than Nintendo.æ but they're both heading towards the same destination.

>>725012791
Easy, X has secret summons, secret areas, extra Overdrives, you can revisit places to get quests, an arena, even shitty minigames for the good/bad.
XIII is a hallway simulator through and through for retards like you.

>>725012794
>>725012943
Knees bent already?

>suddenly it's Nintendo's fault
Squaresloppers are so predictable.

>>725013067
Nta, this sales number was after 8 months right? Multiplatform, even

>they sold a million after putting their dogshit on discount a month after release
No wonder those poorfags got bought by sega and cancelled the royal edition.

>Expedition 33: 6 million/ 6 years dev time
kneel

>>725013223
Yeah and Rebirth still hasn't hit 2m. The only estimate anyone has for that game includes the free demo counted as sales.

>>725013362
My man shitbirth came out at a discount
And it flopped so hard it killed the most profitavle IP this company eer had kek
What's lost with metaflop?
Nothing

>>725008402
>Actiontroons dying unloved
Keep projecting turd tranny. Bald nigger 3 is the worst game ever made.

>>725008985
no FF since 6 has had good gameplay. They were HARD carried by 'vibes'

>>725013370
E33 was a concept in 2019. Development started in 2022.
FF17 is probably a concept now but won't start actual development until 2030. You know, if SE is still around at all.

>>725013067
Played the game, have no idea while fags grift on it

>Heismay is so irrelevant to the plot he could’ve been just a side character
>Eupha is less interesting than her brother and never advocating enough for her people after leaving the island despite parading with the MC
>Basilio is a nothing character compared to Fidel
>Junah’s sister arc LMAO
>Magic school content clearly cut
>WEAKEST STORY TWIST OUT OF ALL PERSONA GAMES
>No Forden fight
>Sanctist table being so unutilized

The list just goes on jfc. At least the fairy was bearable compared to Teddy and Morgana. Louis could’ve been more charming and also more brutal.

Why does this game graphically looks like shit? It’s such a shame cause the art direction and setting is already great, but they smear all over it with a shit paint of PS3 graphics. Atlus studio zero is no longer the underdog they think they still are. Goddamn is that too much to ask from them.

This, like E33 too, suffer from third-act foolery. SE can die for all I care, XV was their last chance for me. Even XIV is showing its cracks hard. JRPGs nowadays you guys lauded ain’t shit.

>>725012880
It's more that I see Monolith Soft as the only studio who is capable of actually creating something as significant as FFVII. If anything is a standout though, Persona 5 has already won, it wears the JRPG crown at 13 million units across all versions and platforms. P6 will probably be a bloodbath with a 6 mil+ launch, unless they really hate Switch 2.

>>725012968
The original Switch is the best selling console in Japan ever, you're a complete idiot to just dismiss their growth as nothing because phone games exist. Square Enix already have significantly more resources on Playstation/Xbox hardware than they do Nintendo hardware, a pivot from this to Nintendo is literally their single best decision, and no matter what's happening to the Japanese demographics the Switch 2 isn't just the fastest selling console in Japan, it's the fastest selling console worldwide, and Japanese culture is still a major export with the popularity of Japanese games seeing an enormous resurgence and the evergreen nature of anime/manga popularity.
It's hilarious how out of touch and narrow minded you are because you are exactly a match for the kind of mentality that decades of Square Enix upper management has created.
Here's the cherry on the cake, Nintendo is still the top brand for core games for kids, and when that population pyramid inverts Nintendo will just become even more dominant with almost all of their contemporaries fading into complete obscurity.

>>725008349
This. People play less and less games as they age and Square has failed to attract a new audience, nor will they by leaning on FF so hard.

> poor ip management
Dude games were always shit and impressive only to little children. Once industry caught up with graphics the constant shit gameplay design killed it. Elden Ring is awfully designed mess, but even it is better than ANY final fantasy game. Including 6, the best one.

>>725013542
Sony will probably buy Square Enix at some point they are too big to just let fail, their IP too valuable, if not Square Enix than Xbox, they will either undergo a renaissance of sorts where their games end up catering to the Playstation audience or their carcass butchered by Xbox, either one is their just desserts.

>>725013480
Still getting gaped & raped by BG3 every single day, huh?

>>725013646
Oh yeah 100%.

>>725013671
Faggot gate 3 dropped off a cliff in cultural relevance the year after its astroturfed honeymoon period goty. No DLC, only 23% beat act 3, all the females are hideous (unlike CHADbirth.) Exshitdition turdy tree is a better game but it's still a crappy gay Ubisoft Persona clone at the end of the day.

>>725013817
Holy shit an SEbot in 2025, I thought you niggers went extinct

>>725013596
>Here's the cherry on the cake, Nintendo is still the top brand for core games for kids
You are a dsngerously delusional man Anon. There are 0 kids that care about Donkey Slop, that's all fat balding childless neckbeards and Japanese NEETs. Kids want instant gratification, and the name of the game is trashy gacha they can play on their phones.

Posts like yours make me glad SE stayed away from your delusional idiocy.

>>725013852
>An SE

>>725013954
Cope

>>725013817
And here you are, on your fucking knees, begging and scraping to keep your Shitbirth franchise from getting memoryholed (which it totally is by the way, no one except the sad Tifa posters on this board even remember FF7R anymore).
While the great white creator marches on.

>>725013852
Most of them moved back to ResetEra.

>>725007503 (OP)
I live in Japan and no one knows what final fantasy is. There was an FFIX pop up shop I was so excited for and no one was there. I even won the life sized vivi plush from Lawson. I don't blame them. I haven't enjoyed a final fantasy since X.

>>725012791
Many FFs are linear. Not all, but many. FFXIII went to the lowest depths of linearity and showed that you shouldn't make an RPG into a fucking Halo campaign and is far more linear than the likes of IV - X.

>>725013985
I'll keep coping with the best games of the decade all being actionchad games.

>>725014118
>action
LOL

>>725013863
So you're glad that they cater to phone gamers with their annual tone deaf phone failure? This is hilarious, you're far more interested in some warped idea of pride that you'd rather see the company continue in their state of collapsing into irrelevance than see any attempt at a real revitilization, like I said you're just like the donguses running the company. Square Enix went from trend setter to desperate trend follower, and this makes you happy, Square Enix went from prominent industry studio where people would dream of working at, to robotic corporate nightmare that people dream of escaping from.
I like youre attitude because it's something so pathetic it's worth studying.
Donkey Kong is selling faster than anything by Square Enix in 2 decades.
Nintendo owns Pokemon which remains a big hit with younger audiences, same with Splatoon.

>>725014059
Those FF9 events have been outdoing their expectations believe it or not but it remains the same issue, it’s only the same old crowd that cares for it.

>>725007503 (OP)
FF games are just tech demos trying to be movies in an era where no one gives a fuck about tech or movies anymore and the gameplay devolved after X/X2 and it's remained the same boring action rpg slop since then. They've never tried to cash in on nostalgia in an actually engaging way, just endless remakes with current gen graphics when most fans wanted well done pixel art FF that utilizes their most popular systems. They could make a brand new 16-bit FF game for a fraction of the cash they've pissed away on 16 and it'd sell 5x as much.

Once the last of the millennial/zillenial manchildren finally grow up in their middle/senior age and the nostalgia is simply gone because younger gens grew up with nothing noteworthy most of these game studios will collapse outright.

>>725009219
This proves nothing. MtG is one of the greyest player bases in nerd hobbies. Your average Magic player is 41 years old. Of course they consoomed the hell out of the set.

>>725007503 (OP)
Speaking strictly about FF, since I haven't played enough DQ to consider myself a series veteran, getting even my millenial (mid-30s) friends to try games in this series has been like pulling teeth. The things I like about the franchise (turn-based, anime/japanese tropes/characters/story, long cutscenes) are what turn people off to it. They have invested so much into trying to get the younger gens to stick around. FFXVI was HARDLY their first venture into action if you count spinoffs, they have put out like 100 mobile spinoffs that you haven't even heard of, and even the MMOs are showing their age badly, but it's just not the type of game kids are into these days. What the hell do they even do at this point to get new people to play a game like FF? Honestly, as sad as it is, if I were one of the suits on the board, I'd cut ties and try to get a whole new flagship franchise.

This entire thread just reminds me of the dev interview with the people behind battlefield bad company. Them admitting they genuinely had no idea why the game was a big hit always stuck with me because how the fuck is that even possible? Still makes me mad to this day

>>725013863
Pokemon is now bigger than it’s ever been with both the millenials and younger generations being in on the fun. Video Games, mobile, tcgs, toys, anime, and etc. You even see lobbys of roblox and minecraft with themes about it, much more than other video games.

>>725009038
Devs have been chasing that GTA hype since GTA 3. Actually, honestly since Mortal Kombat, but I noticed it quite palpably as a kid with shit like Shadow the Hedgehog, Warrior Within, and Jak II

>>725007696
anon, ff14 1.0 was a 2010 game. it's 15 years old. a realm reborn was 2013, which makes it 12 years old. as a whole, we're closer to 20 for this damn thing and its technical debt than we are its decade anniversary.

>>725014419
Millenials groomed their kids into liking pokemon to warrant their parents’ unhealthy spending habits and it clearly worked

Why is it that whenever there's a discussion about Square Enix it's never about anything Enix? I wish we'd get something new about 7th Saga, or a remake of Terranigma, it's always just Squaresoft IP.
Whenever JRPGs are discussed I never see anyone talk about the extensive PC 88/98 JRPG catalog.

>>725014059
That's actually really cool. I wish I lived in a place where such pop up shops could exist.

>>725007696
FF14 has a negligable overlap with people who play JRPGs.
MMO junkies went with 14 because it was THE MMO after WOW collapsed in on itself. It's its own pillar or the company, but that doesn't translate into increased strength in the FF IP.
Not even having the dude who turned the ship around on 14 involved in the develop of 16 had any real impact. It just came and went. FF is on life support.

>>725010712
Shipped*

>>725007503 (OP)
>SquareSoft could never go out of business. they'd just remake FF7!
>Waits 30 years
>Everyone has moved on and nobody cares anymore
>Remakes FF7 is the worst most greedy way possible with multiple parts and changing the game completely
These retards did it to themselves.

>>725014650
It's a strange phenomena where half the company's IP are completely dead. Enix's dragon quest is still fucking huge in Japan and is pretty much carrying the entire company financially. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they sell their square assets someday.

>>725014393
Tarded post. Pokemon is as popular as its ever been. Shit like Undertale and Deltarune are beloved darlings. BG3 was huge. There's all sorts of menu turn based text box minimal interaction non-ARPG games that are hits. SE just doesn't know how to make fun games with likeable characters and satisfying stories anymore once all that talent that built the company 1987-2002 left.

as a non player only woke le-mut is engraved to my mind

>>725007503 (OP)
Final Fantasy has been fucking dreadful for over a decade at this point, it is sonic the hedgehog tier, I'm surprised it's got fans at all

>>725010895
>>725009932
The funny thing is 7 fatigue would probably not even be so bad if they managed to bury the original release and its shit PC port, most people probably wouldn't even remember it nowadays but the boomers that were there from the start if that was the case. But they re-released it on everything, repeatedly, besides Xbox prior to the One, so FF7 has been plastered everywhere and everyone can see the original story, and how every goddamn thing throwing Cloud and Sephiroth around turned them into Simpsons tier cynical cash grab whores. Normies might eat up Crisis Core or Remake (thanks to the latter's covid boom arguably), but the moment people were asked to actually invest further past that they dropped off hard because shit just got retarded and oversaturated.

It's not much wonder Square never wants to remaster or remake Dirge. A shit game that killed the Compilation, in a shit time to even try to keep pushing on 7. They wore out the welcome wagon for the "print money" button by being obtusely retarded and letting its washed up writers go all monkey on the typewriter.

>>725014650
Well there's DQ. But technically that's SE nowadays and even pre SE all they did was publish it.

>Whenever JRPGs are discussed I never see anyone talk about the extensive PC 88/98 JRPG catalog.
I finished the PC98 version of evo a while back. It was very..interesting. A bit simple (but I suppose that's the point) but the setting and evolution carried it sex with lucifer even if she's fucking evil

>>725009932
Snes to PS2 really was the peak of gaming

Square Enix still makes games?

>>725014727
>once all that talent that built the company 1987-2002 left.
And if they have any talent left, they get promoted into positions where they are useless (classic japanese corporate move)

>>725007503 (OP)
Not surprised
Final Fantasy hasn't been the same since Sakaguchi was ousted

Looking for similar albums to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUyqKiIT08
Any recommendations ?

>>725014749
talk

Makes sense, they barely shipped any games in the 7th + 8th gen and arguably the 9th. No one cared about 13, 14 was an MMO and had it's rough start, 15 was the infamous dev cycle, I heard 16 was decent but I'm personally in no rush and I'm not trying FF7remakes until I play the original.
t. 27 years old, started playing vidya in 2004/5, became aware of FF with people saying 13 trilogy was shit, then 14 was (at the time) shit, then 15 was kinda shit, then 16 a YMMV.

>>725014721
You mean like tie ins and stuff right? Dragon Quest games aren't very popular sales wise, but I bet the cost of DQXI, including redoing all assets for the original Switch still ended up costing a fraction of FFXV's development.

>>725014796
I meant outside of DQ, DQ is kind of a given in terms of relevance, but it seems like the Enix half is just Dragon Quest, but there's a lot of old games I really wish we could hear from, we did get that Act Raiser remake but that's all. Actually just looking at their catalogue I just realised that Star Ocean was always Enix even though I played the original on Snes I just never realized it was Enix and not Square.

>>725007503 (OP)
Nomura runs in. "I got a new idea to save the franchise, what if we put even more belts on the characters"

>>725014650
What is there to say? SE got something strong going with Automata then failed to follow up on it. DQ12 is a mess and so they push out a shitload of remasters to fill space. FF is a mess but they’re forced to be committed to more 7 games and failed to finalize other FF titles for better variety. They’ve done very little to get new IP’s off the ground because the majority of them have been low effort AA shit that released almost monthly for a while. Nor do they seem very interested in reviving their other titles. The place has just horribly mismanaged and I question how much it’ll turn around after this 3 year reboot plan.

>>725013596
>Persona 5 has already won, it wears the JRPG crown at 13 million units
And metaflop bombed. Faglus has no momentum after E33 replaced them.

>>725015093
Please, it's not the belts I'm worried about, though he has his plaid fetish now too. Or whatever trendy japanese teen designs are going around now. That motherfucker is obsessed with FF Versus XIII, and if he could stop directing Kingdom Hearts just to revive the concepts, he would after already using KH to try to springboard an attempt.

>>725015027
>I meant outside of DQ
Ah. Fair point. I think the biggest problem is pretty much everything Enix published is either niche or just not known enough..or dead. Reminder technically speaking Enix owned Mischief Makers (and Rakugaki Showtime) since they published it, and presumably still owns the IPs even as SE since treasure hasn't gotten it back

*sip*
yup, for me it's xenoblade

>>725007503 (OP)
You don't need more than FFV

>>725009932
Literally just shows the decline of PS in japan

>>725015307
3 flopped after how dogshit 2 was.

>>725014727
Yeah, my friends don't play pokemon and shit because it's turn-based, but obviously series like what you mentioned have shit that appeal to kids and BG3 is missing the weebshit that turns people off. It's not just one or the other thing, I think it's that FF typically has ALL of the things that I mentioned or most of them.

>>725015416
2 was good, 3 flopped because it was china coded slop

>>725015169
Automata is just an enigma, 9 million units sold and the best they could do was a remaster of the original, you'd think they'd have gone straight into a sequel and a spinoff as well as cross media.
>3 year reboot plan
>plan

>>725015272
Treasure is dead anyway, but I would still want more Mischief Makers.

>>725007503 (OP)
So that's why the fanbase on here is so retarded and entitled

>>725009932
I personally like XII and see the potential it had, but it does seem like the game that killed Square internally. X-2 and the reheating of VII spawned during its long dev cycle, seemingly as damage control to get something out while XII was spiraling out of control. And then they "XII'd" themselves again with XIII having seemingly learned nothing, but as a PS3 game the mismanagement was even more costly, so they did something worse and combined the direct sequel with the mainline-as-its-own-franchise and it got so out of hand that even some of the spinoffs got stuck in development hell and cancelled.

>>725014059
Makes sense to me

>>725007503 (OP)
Im 25, never touched the series until 2 years ago and started playing them in order. The first 10 were fun, Im morbidly curious to experience the downfall after this though

>>725007503 (OP)
Just give me 7R3, then we'll see about XVII

>>725007503 (OP)
>japan
yea no shit. That's the nintendo land

>>725012384
Rinoa is trash

>>725015487
3 didn't even really flop, it still sold around 2 million units, but they fumbled it, the original design was to make each Ferronis a self contained city, something more like Mortal Engines, which would probably have faired better since the lack of actual cities was disappointing.
The only issue is can they improve or will they stagnate, well their tech has been improving and it's largely a push to make their workers more productive when it comes to level design.

>>725015540
Taro seems to be one of those auteur types. He was happy to make sequels when his games were all marginal successes and the plug could be pulled any moment, but then once one of them actually hit, he stuck his nose up at the idea and went back to making irrelevent stuff.

>>725007503 (OP)
42 year olds are millenials
10-14 are Alphas now
14-28 are zoomers
29-44 are millenials
45-63 are X
64+ are boomers

>>725014773
Sonic is a bad comparison. People are getting less and less interested in Final Fantasy, but no matter how many dogshit sonic games come out, autists will forever love the brand.

>>725015816
How braindead are you to think that there's a big difference between a 42-year old and 45-year old?
If the average player age is at the absolute tail-end of millennials, that means the vast majority of the generation is out.

>>725015795
It's not really up to him I think, the IP is SE owned and lead by Saito.

>>725008246
FF15 had a good amount of hype behind and did really well all things considered. FF7R had an ungodly amount of hype behind it but failed. The FF13 trilogy did fuck up FF during the 7th gen but didn't do unrecoverable damage because the IP still had prestige, everyone was just waiting for Toriyama to fuck off, it's one of the rare series that people understand goes in different directions and has entries you might dislike but the next one might be more for you, FF12 is actually pretty divisive with alot of people dismissing it as solo MMO shit.
It's 15 and 7R being unfinished pieces of shit that killed interest of old fans and the endless stream of shitty spinoffs and remasters that destroyed the IPs prestige. What was FF associated with in the 90s and 2000s? Extremely high production value and polish, games that innovate and releases that were events in themselves.
What is FF associated with now? Low effort ports, endless spinoff slop, unfinished games sold in parts as either DLCs or split into 3 games, graphics that lag behind, gameplay mechanics that clumsily copy popular trends.

>>725008017
Do yourself a favor and continue avoiding it. FFVII is my favorite game of all time and I still regret how much time I wasted on Rebirth. If you really REALLY have to, just watch the cutscenes on youtube but trust me and yourself when I say you are not missing a lot.

Sucks because Rebirth is a good game.
From a company standpoint It would have been better if they poured all that effort into FF16 instead of part2 of a trilogy spanning multiple console generations

>>725015093

You are incredibly gay, lame, and live mentally in the year 2002.

>>725016091
>it's one of the rare series that people understand goes in different directions and has entries you might dislike but the next one might be more for you
that used to hold up fine with frequent releases but when it takes 7 years to reach a new title that begins to work against them
it's like a once per decade dice roll "will FF be to my liking this time"

>>725016305
>You are incredibly gay, lame, and live mentally in the year 2002.
You are a Nomura fan, and you feel comfortable saying this shit to someone else?

>>725015093
>You know what this particular story needs? A mysterious guy in a black cloak who only appears to say cryptic things to actually relevant characters.

>>725016643
kek

All kingdom hearts and viir have going for them is slaves to sunk cost.
People waited years and years for KHIII to conclude the story, and it didn't. Now they're waiting years and years for IV to do the same, and it won't.
Same thing is going to happen with viir. People will spend 10 years waiting to see the end of this retarded new plot and it won't even be done. Kitase already said there'll be more ffvii after it. You'll be strung along and milked forever just to see what happens next in a story that was already finished in 1997.

I'm doing my part to keep the franchise alive by playing FF8 at the loudest possible volume whenever my upstairs neighbour gets drunk and listens to his shitty youtube playlist where the bass from his subwoofer slightly shakes the room

>>725007503 (OP)
>Poor
More like horrible.
>>725012384
Would love to see it get the Rebirth treatment graphics-wise and have certain things expanded upon, but the gameplay be completely unchanged. I don't want it to be an action game like Rebirth.

>>725010075
tangentially about kingdom hearts, i miss when they actually released fucking games. like seriously for all everyone was bitching about no KH3 they were releasing spinoffs pretty steadily and now we're like 5 years going with nothing since KH3 but a fucking rhythm game and a phone game that i dont know even exists anymore

>>725016976
If you mean Missing link it was cancelled a while ago.

>>725008128
Oh boi, it won in one of specific competition in a single country's awards? FF-haters on suicide watch! As someone who got awarded as the best fighing game player in my room, I can agree

>>725016520
Yeah, I feel comfortable with calling out retarded idiots like you on the fact that you are spewing retarded shit from your retarded smelly ape mouth. It's a miracle that your tiny brain managed to notice that much

>>725008128
>obvious falseflag with same spammed image
>hates turnbased

>>725007503 (OP)
Put out something NEW and GOOD. That's literally it.

>>725017119
You are way too touchy about this. Nomura belts is a classic meme and you are far too angry about it, but that's funny to me.
Incidentally, how much time a day do you spend seething online about people insulting nomura or SE?

>>725017316
you sound mad

>>725015663
Xii came out when the 360 was about to release, or rather at the exact end of the ps2's lifespan, that game wasn't bad or ill received, Xiii and its sins are entirely at fault.
I would know, I was there. Me and my bro, whom played almost every single FF release prior, experiences one of the biggest gaming disappointments ever when we popped in Xiii. What a fucking piece of shit game.

>>725015926
Those 3 years were the difference between growing up with the Internet and adopting smartphones early and growing up with a tv and being late to smartphones. I know a 42 year old guy, he grew up with a PC and was always on the Internet.

>>725014670
i know far more people in ff14 who play jrpg's then dont the only people who dont play them are really just the people who came from wow after BFA shat the bed

>>725007503 (OP)
I mean have you seen any new non remake game Square has shat out recently? They're all shit. Hell they even find ways to fuck up remakes.

>>725017476
I'm 37 and I'm closer to the growing up with a tv and being late to smartphones.

>>725017442
Mad about what?
If you like people who sound mad, check this out: >>725017119

I'm a zoomer and i had fun playing the entire of ff7 remake despite it being called a hallway linear filler.


the same can't be said for ff7 rebirth the open world ruined it.

game devs need to understand that they should not make sequels based on what haters say. the demographic won't buy the next game and that will also make it a worse experience for the original fans


example death stranding 2 is genuine shit compared to the first one which is an acquired taste but i heavily enjoyed

>>725015926
there is
one of those would have grown up with the good snes and ps1 final fantasy and possibly played ps2. by the time all the shit games came out they were too busy working to game and missed those. they could still be nostalgic.
someone younger like 39 might have played snes era as handmedowns but they would have started with ff7 and attempted to play 13 they would have seen all the shit before giving up.
then theres the whole smartphone thing.

>>725008246
>FF13-3 Lightning Literally Goes to Paris Edition has outsold FF16 and Stillbirth.
I kneel to the Queen

I mean Square has found ways to mismanage newer IPs they've made in record time. If you happen to find a new Square Enix IP you like, there is a high chance that its first sequel will inevitably be shit. That sort of incompetence isn't normal.

>>725015767
Any girl that likes trains is a keeper.

>>725017668
>original fans
Of which you are not one

>>725017668
In the original the world opens up after Midgar so that was inevitable for the sequels. Bigger issue is the 'open world' activities just aren't fun and there is far too little to explore/discover.

>>725015663
By the time sakaaguchi left they started hemorrhaging creatives. After the merger suits took over the company. Soon after they had more teams of suits than dev teams and once the company was answering to investors it was over. It became about quarterly results, differentiating their stock etc. They lost the plot entirely on game dev as now a manageable pre-rendered game became an HQ monstrosity with ten times the cost on the PS2, with creative direction in the hands of the suits instead of the creatives.

In short, what made FF good was the Japanese artisanal approach to game dev that is closer to indies today than the likes of Ubisoft. Company culture and figures like Sakaaguchi drove the ideology of the devs even when they weren't the ones actively developing. By the time even Masuno had enough of the company it was truly dead. Even ff14 is just desecrating its corpse by generating endless nostalgia

Talking about failures what the fuck happened with pic related?
They brought back Hiroki Kikuta and Koichi Ishii and it still flopped as hard as possible and killed the franchise again.

>>725016305
What is it with the name Tetsuya and a love of belts?

>>725016643
Nomura is a guy with 2-3 really cool games in him, but the company cut him to pieces to spread that to a system games instead. We always get watered down Nomura and it tastes like crap after the first couple times when it was novel

>>725017316
>presenting well contrascuted arguments = being touchy
>creates his own headcanon about how another person's internet history

Nice going there. Le belts is also not a "classic" meme. It's a cringeworthy buzzword repeated by underage zoom zooms on discord and smelly and bearded redditor menchildren like you who (as I said before) still live mentally in the year 2002 for some bizarre reason (which makes them look really pathetic), and other mongoloids. I'm not saying that the internet used to be especially mature in the past decades but now it really feels like people and social media have downgraded to straight up kindergarten level in the last couple of years. Meme culture has become so embarrassing braindead and juvenile that it makes me feel like the only normal person in the world full of zombies who can only repeat the same heavily outdated and unfunny shit over and over 24/7 like broken records. I hope your tiny underdeveloped brain managed to process all of that, and we are clear now.

>>725016643
Seriously.

If Square was still competent I'd ask for more Ivalice but at this point I know they'd fuck it up considering what a struggle it was for them to remake Tactics.

>>725018123
They excluded the Switch.

>>725018370
Team asano has been consistent, I dont see the problem with them doing more ivalice

>>725018123
It's a miracle this game exists at all. I'm happy with it

>>725017551
mad about someone insulting you can calling you out.
I mean read this shit: >>725017316

I'm still going to buy Final Fantasy games and none of you can stop me. FFXIII remaster when?

>>725018467
Not really, it was a given after the revival of Trials of Mana, but they didn't have to just yolo suicide the IP.
The other guy is probably right, still don't know why Square Enix don't consider the Switch or the Switch 2 a real platform.

>>725018726
The switch is not the home for mana. NEO twenty literally proved that the audience isn't there and doesn't matter if it was day 1 it would have failed all the same. Mana is niche.

>>725008679
>shoot himself
I see why trannies love persona

>>725013863
Hey dipshit:

>There are 0 kids that care about Donkey Slop
https://mynintendonews.com/2025/09/22/japan-most-popular-game-series-amongst-elementary-school-children/

>Kids want instant gratification, and the name of the game is trashy gacha they can play on their phones
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/japan-youth-gamers-industry-report-2023-46-of-japanese-youth-are-interested-in-esports-and-competitive-games-in-contrast-to-12-of-overall-japanese-gamers-301921846.html

Specifically, "Most youth gamers prefer console gaming (72%), followed by mobile (64%) and PC (15%)"

Neck yourself faggot.

>>725007503 (OP)

that's actually close to the average age of a gamer

>>725018123
Different studio, worse game.

>>725018315
You sound very angry about this

>>725007503 (OP)
Well yeah, IX is 25 years old now.
The people that might have grown up with it are in their mid 30s at the earliest and would have at best bought the switch port or the PC port to mod it

>>725018476
>insulting you can calling you out
Hmm

>>725007503 (OP)
it makes it the more hilarious when you look at how some new modern low res jprgs are actually really liked by zoomers
as well as those zoomers who experienced the original ff7 for the first time

after squaresoft corporatized and merged with enix its been a long lost cause
it was only a matter of time before they spiralled and sunk into irrelevance do to creative negligence and talent drain
this has been 20 years in the making
this is what happens when bumbling suits see something gain popularity and decide to seize and take it away from the actual visionaries who made it popularity to begin with

>>725016776
Regardless of what happens it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All you want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and you'd like it, because you get more time with the characters. At some point fans like you became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>725019050
At this point I could care less about what happens to Square anymore.
I'll give KH4 a chance in the hopes that maybe it wont suck but who knows anymore.

>>725019063
True

>>725018786
NEO TWEWY's failure is completely irrelevant because Trials of Mana was a success showing that there was clearly a fanbase interested in Mana titles, and the Switch version of Trials of Mana which was heavily borked just undersold the PS4 version, and this was before Japanese niche games started doing double sales on Switch compared to Playstation, so not really.
Honestly if Square Enix had held back Visions and made it a Switch 2 exclusive launching in the gap between DK and Kirby it would probably be around 1 mil to 1.5 mil right now, which is significantly more than what it sold on literally every other platform combined, as long as it wasn't a GKC that is.

>>725014446
>Devs have been chasing that GTA hype since GTA 3.
that was mandated from up above the dev teams
sure some of them were probably in on the idea but was primiarly pushed by dumb suits who dont play games and only care about money
its the suits who desperately want to get those GTA numbers at the expense of the series foundation
thats how fucking unimaginative and short sighted they are

>>725007503 (OP)
last trully good FF i played was FFIX
FFX had a nice leveling and battle system but was a linear basic bitch RPG then FFXII played just like a MMO, never really got into it
FFXIII murdered this franchize and it's 2 sequels did nothing but piss and shit on the franchize for an entire console generation

>>725019107
I'm open to playing KH4 but it's entirely on the potential of the gameplay. Is anyone even still invested in that story?

>>725019107
Is anyone even pretending KH4 will deliver? 3 at least had people thinking it might lead to something satisfying, but with 4 any hope of that is dead. All there is to look forward to is another kingdom hearts game but this time in the most generic setting possible. It also looks like a cheap and ugly SFM animation.

>>725019063
Taking a deep breath before I respond to this to try not sound mad but it's hard to hide it

>>725019138
>Switch 2 exclusive
Nobody is buying a switch 2 for mana. Nobody. The people who played Trials the most were PC fags as that was the most high selling version behind the PS4 version and then the switch. And even they didn't buy visions

>>725007503 (OP)
>entire generation lost due to flooding the market with gacha
Ftfy, but leave it to a bunch retarded tendiecucks and baguettetroons falsely thinking their dogshit of a game would even have had half as much in sales if not for the coordinated gaslighting by journocucks on all fronts

>>725019198
>Is anyone even pretending KH4 will deliver?
>new villains are all from a dead mobile game
>3's combat was barely better than the psp game
>3 was the ugliest game in the series
no chance

>>725019194
>Is anyone even still invested in that story?
No. Everyone now knows that for every plot thread that gets resolved, a dozen new convoluted strands begin. And with each new game it becomes less likely that anything is going to lead anywhere. And this would be fine if they made self contained games, but the problem with Nomura and Nojima is everything they come up with is setup for pay offs somewhere else down the line and you're lucky if it actually goes anywhere. Nobody is excited by a story where the payoff happens 20 years later in a mobile game that gets delisted in under a year.

>>725019335
Even a bad KH is better than a mid FF.

>>725019107
>I'll give KH4 a chance in the hopes that maybe it wont suck but who knows anymore.
i hope you into the aesthetic of abundance of belts and zippers anon

>>725019251
It's more that it would have come out during the honeymoon phase and people wanting games to play on it would have drifted to something marketed like Visions, although then you need to get over the quality issues, so starting with another team and tard wrangling them to make something that Mana fans wanted.

>>725019307
Anon I almost agreed with you but you didnt have quite enough buzzwords.

>>725019307
roflmao

lemme just post the sales of the first week of final fantasy games in japan

Final Fantasy XII - 1,764,266
Final Fantasy XIII - 1.501.964
Final Fantasy XV - 690.471
Final Fantasy XVI - 336.027

yeah man that exclusivity is working out real well mah negroid

>>725019369
Clenching my fists
Knuckles turning white
I am about to string so many fucking words together. You'll live to regret this.

>>725019194
I'm all about the gameplay and exploring the Disney Worlds

>>725019063
Truth nuke deployed. 10 seconds until total cope fallout.

>>725019369
belts are so 2000s, did you not see XV or KH3? Its all about shitty flannel now

>>725019063
the worst part of this pasta is that you call them
>AC
>BC
>CC
but then
>DoC
WHY NOT DC ANON?? YA FUCKED THE SYMMETRY

>>725008689
Eh, I prefer 13 over both of those games, personally. 13 at least still retained the bombastic and ambitious spirit of Golden Age FF.

>>725019597
I'm always open to feedback so I'll amend before the next time. Thank you!

>>725013497
>6
>good gameplay
Lmao

>>725013497
X's battles own tho

>>725016636
same never ending bullshit as kingdom hearts

milking FF VII remake into a trilogy was supremely retarded.
it should have been a prologue and then the main game.
i don't even dislike the story. but fuck square for making a fucking trilogy spanning over a fucking decade to make.
what's even more retarded is starting the game on the PS4. getting millions of sales. and alienating that crowd to release the rest of the game on the PS5. when even Sony are making cross gen first party games like GoW.

>>725018315
stop brutally bullying mentally underdeveloped kids. it's not cool

>>725019814
Except HSR doesn't have arcs that take 17 years worth of cliffhangers and retcons to finish.

>>725019821
should have just made it one game

>>725019063
if true, they must be doing something right

>>725014059
>I live in Japan and no one knows what final fantasy is.
you can blame SE's monumental mishandling of the series for that
they can sugarcoat it in as much coporate buzzword speak as they like when they talk publicly
but the reality is they should be on their knees begging sakaguchi and uematsu to come back and give them the free creative reign and time to make a grand entry in whatever way they like to get as close as possible to something like final fantasy VII
its honestly their last resort
too bad sakaguchi nor uematsu would robably reject that kind of offer
they dont want anything to do with that corporate hellscape its turned into

>>725019821
them milking FFVII remake is literally them pulling the emergency glass breaker because things are going sour

>>725007696
FF14 is dogshit that only 2 types of people play.
>people that cant admit FF is horrible and cling to it, because MMOs get a pass being ass on story, quests, combat and dialogue and you can brag that its good, because no one will try it anyway
or
>second life troons and furries that use it for erping, which is the majority of the 1 mil monthly player it has
The last decent FF game is 12 and thats why no young person likes FF anymore.

>>725019962
>should have just made it one game
prologue + main game worked for kojima and i think it's a great idea. but you have to make it right. remaking an existing game into a trilogy ruins all hype.

>>725019821
>i don't even dislike the story
nigger u ever even read a book in ur life

>>725007503 (OP)
This just proves that AAA FF games not +18 are simply bad decision

>>725020484
not everyone likes to read the same shitty books anon
i hate novels, no reason to read them

>>725008689
16 is far worse than 13

>>725020796
Doesn't matter if it's E or M shit games are shit games.

>>725020962
>no reason to read
so this is the kind of person who likes 7Rs story

>>725016976
They were working on Missing Link and then cancelled it last year, presumably because they realized they were making a fully fledged console game with significantly more overhead than KHUX ever had and they'd never make their money back. I'm convinced they're gonna turn that into a retail game considering its state during the beta and all the work they did to begin with.
>we're like 5 years going with nothing since KH3 but a fucking rhythm game
Because it's taking them more time and effort to make games, Nomura is constantly being stretched thin sometimes without even his knowledge, and he wants to end the entire series before he retires which has to happen in either KH5 or KH6 max. We have like maybe 10 years before KH as a series ends.

>>725008689
look
i get the distaste for FFXIII
but honestly in hindsight comparison - to what came after - it now almost stands out as somewhat 'decent'
it still 'tried' to be a final fantasy game for better or worse
thats how deep the series has fallen due to uncreative mishandling and insatiable greed
im still kinda miffed how they turned and repurposed a spin off game - FFXIII Versus - into an actual fucking mainline game
the original look and concept for FFXII Vs sounded pretty promising too until they for some fucking reason had to pull back on it
straight up total uncreative honking clowns are running and managing the company from up top

>>725021116
>don't like a genre
>dont read it
how is that hard to understand?
do you also play a genre you dislike?

>>725021461
what genre is that, anon? "novel"?

>>725021227
There's also this Verum Rex thing that seems to be hinting at the return of Versus XIII in some form. I'm curious to see how it plays out cause Nomura only has about a decade left at most before he retires, he doesn't have much time left now. It's either going to be the most disappointing game ever or the best game ever. There's no in-between.

>>725012994
the linear paths in X were also contextualized, you are doing a somewhat railroaded pilgrimage a lot of other people are also doing

>>725021498
>little jimmy and the adventures of the 50 dicks he sucks
those type of books anon. those are novels

>>725021345
Nomura fucked up and they had to clean up his mess. Yet his fanboys refuse to be grateful that Square Enix didn't fire his ass back then.

>>725021632
you're just a retard. you literally can't insult me in a way that will make me feel bad because I already know you don't read books.

>>725007503 (OP)
>Published 07/20/2025
fuck off

>>725021582
>Nomura only has about a decade left at most before he retires
where do you get that from? Horii is making shit at 71. Kojima's not slowing down and he's like 7 years older. We are at a weird point with how young gaming is that not that many creatives have fully retired. If he doesnt croak he could be going this for 30 more years lol

>>725007503 (OP)
>NES
>release 3 Final Fantasy games
>SNES
>release 3 Final Fantasy games
>PS1
>release 3 Final Fantasy games
>PS2
>release 2 Final Fantasy games, a sequel, and a MMO
>PS3
>release just 1 Final Fantasy game, focus on sequels despite it being criticized
>PS4
>release just 1 Final Fantasy game
>PS5
>release just 1 Final Fantasy game, and a bunch of nostalgiabait for the PS1 generation
OH WOW I WONDER WHY KIDS DON'T PLAY ANYMORE

Seriously, Final Fantasy is just a MMO at this point with sidegames that occasionally come out as well. Most people probably think of Theatrhythm, or World of Final Fantasy, when they think of FF games over something like FF15 or FF16. They've cemented themselves so thoroughly up the ass of the MMO and nostalgia that most people probably haven't even played both of the latest mainline entries. It's a bit like asking why kids don't play the mainline Warcraft entries anymore; there's been so little activity outside remakes and re-releases that the series has been dominated by the related MMO entirely.

>>725013561
>>WEAKEST STORY TWIST OUT OF ALL PERSONA GAMES
It would have been cool if the Prince changed into a proper character now that he's complete, but he's still a silent protagonist

What the fuck is this chatGPT thread

I actually kinda liked the plot, it was just told poorly. Still a shit game. Just literally hold up on the analog stick till the next cutscene. What a joke.

>>725021345
SE are always lowering the bar so their previously shit games become good. It's an interesting long term strategy

>>725021907
He said himself he doesn't have much time left before retiring. Not everyone in Japan wants to work until they drop dead, Anon.

>>725022130
>Not everyone in Japan wants to work until they drop dead, Anon.
I havent seen any proof of that kek

>>725007696
as we all know, we start counting numbers at 14

>>725021869
SE just can't win. If they give Nomura total creative control then they might get a good game out of him, but his autistic perfectionism will slow down development time and cost them a fortune. On the other hand, nobody else at that company has even an iota of his talent or ambition, so nothing they make is likely to live up to the series' pedigree. Nomura is SE's Kojima.

>>725013497
I'd argue 6 has the worst combat out of 4-10. It's shit. Everything else about the game is good.

>>725022076
The usual shitposters trying to make news out of a Japanese survey from months ago

>>725007503 (OP)
The entire brand and company is only alive because of games that are over 20 years old and those were made by a different company too
I still don't understand how the series is allegedly successful, are they cooking the books to make it look good?

>>725008246
FF13 was when the series still had negligible brand damage
>oh hey, a series that is popular for its characters and neat fantasy settings/world
>13 characters are kinda shit, only good area of the game is just green hill after like 20 hours of playtime
>13-2 only two main characters
>13-3 main character from the first game nobody but the creator likes is now the only playable character

16 is honestly the best FF SE has made

>>725020406
they also released that with about a year inbetween which square enix never would have pulled off
turning it into a "franchise" was a mistake, 7fags are miserable no matter what they release, focus should be on new things

>>725020047
>if true
it is
>they must be doing something right
making shit that ff7 fans will buy no matter what is "something right" I guess but even those sales are pretty bad

>>725008128
It is kind of hilarious how hard Remake and Rebirth has broken the turn-nigger schizos.

Like bro, just learn how to game. That is certainly better than whining that not every game plays like Pokemon.

>japanese survey
who cares. japanese companies don't make games for japanese players.

>>725022507
ILL TAKE ANYTHING THAT MAKES FF LOOK BAD SO FINALLY ATLUS GAMES ARE RECOGNIZED

>>725022463
>samefagging 6 hours later
Couldn't get to sleep? Nightmares about turn based games?

Almost two years has passed
metaflop flopped
FF7 rebirths stands on top

>>725022463
It's especially funny because the combat is easily the best part of the remakes, the pacing and bloating are where the problems arise.

>>725008128
>ILL TAKE ANYTHING THAT MAKES FF LOOK GOOD

>>725019821
Gen X jap mind of completely missing the point combined with leftist american branches because they looked at a few "old good new bad" videos on youtube and twitter. Adults wearing pajamas with captain america logos in public is the already established audience. You can't play that same exact card twice, and SE fails to realize this.
This decline already started with the enix merge, so idk why you fags are feel flashbanged by the last 3 years. Everyone including the gen X creators have gone senile, and they legitimately make the same exact mistakes over and over. (which is unfortunately a very high probability within gen X creator sphere for some reason, just like back then when they misunderstood skater culture. No wonder boomers hated you guys lmao.)
The surge in playerbase via wowfugees was a falling upward moment, which unfortunately is an incredibly common scenario in the video game industry. Turns out people with a lot of free time are also useless, poor, and the whole market, the genre and internet culture itself would need an entire 180 to be as good as you remember it from your childhood. To think shit was tolerated for 15+ years is astonishing.

>>725022656
Cope, turn-nigger. Your whining about Remake and Rebirth means nothing. SE has a higher market value than Sega.

I feel like they're simply tired of working on ff14. The fucking hildibrand cutscenes have more animation and life than anything in the MSQ has for years now. The amaurot high was as good as it'll get.

>>725022313
>I still don't understand how the series is allegedly successful, are they cooking the books to make it look good?

They try to hide whether FFXVI or FFVII Rebirth were profitable in the shareholder meetings. I think Square is now just a bunch of directors who don't actually care about Final Fantasy being profitable and are just trying to maximise how long the company will hand them a blank check for their passion projects.

I'm sure none of them want to be the person who has to be in charge of revitalising Final Fantasy while being limited to a AA budget.

>>725022762
Did you respond to the wrong post or something? I praised the combat.

>>725022792
I mean squeenix is a big company, its bizarre their running yoship and nomura ragged when both of them are somewhat divisive, while the dragon quest team, team asano, and god knows how many other creatives there barely ever get a crack at FF.

>>725022313
I've never seen such an obvious bait post. Either that or XVI is so shit it's mindbreaking people into not thinking logically.

>>725022762
>responds to critiques of the gameplay with stock info
retard

>>725022832
I'd bet the moment FF and KH can't afford to be AAA games is the moment Nomura, Yoshi-P, Kitase, and co. will all just file out of the company to "retire" at the same time.

My parasocial role model Maximillian DOOD is praising FF7 Remake and Rebirth so I must do the same.

I’ll never forgive or forget what was taken from me.

>>725022762
>falseflag with 7R
>whines about turnbased
>whines about atlus

My parasocial role model Jesus_XxX_Narukami is hating FF so I must do the same.

>>725022463
>>725022762
You're kind of a retard, huh?

>>725023040
Versus 13 is Nomura's Phantom Pain, cucked by executive meddling and his own ego.

>>725023120
>everyone on 4chan is just parrotting an eceleb
>it's not the fact that SE have only made garbage for over 20 years

>>725007503 (OP)
42 year olds are millennials you fucking halfwit.

>>725022190
https://www.eurogamer.net/kingdom-hearts-4-will-lead-towards-a-series-conclusion-so-nomura-can-retire

>Kingdom Hearts 4 is being developed with the intention of the series "being a story that will be completed".

>That's according to series director Tetsuya Nomura, via a new interview with Japanese outlet YoungJump.

>Nomura was asked if he could foresee an end to the Kingdom Hearts series, especially considering its multiple sequels and spin-off games.

>Nomura replied he only has "a few years left until I retire" so must "decide whether to retire first or finish the series first" (via Google translate). As such, he's developing Kingdom Hearts 4 "with the intention of it being a story that will be completed".

>Further, the game will be a reset of the story (it's notoriously complex), with new writers hired and a new logo to make it easier for newcomers to join the series (thanks, Aitai Kimochi).

My parasocial role model woolie feels ambivalent towards FF so I must do the same

>>725022832
>I'm sure none of them want to be the person who has to be in charge of revitalising Final Fantasy
I think no one is waiting in line to be that person regardless of given budget. Series has splintered so much over time, its fanbase with it. No approach will satisfy this fanbase since the entire core idea of FF has gone to shit after IX. Even if they return to that, will fans show up for it?
I honestly think it wouldn't hurt to let FF rest for quite a few years then reboot it at some stage without numbered titles, meanwhile creating a few fresh IPs from new creators but they want to play it safe like everyone else.

the ONLY mainline FF worth playing are 12,13-2,15 and 16
Spinoffs are great tho

>>725022897
I don't think anyone wants to make something bad on purpose, working on something and have it not work out can be soul crushing but this to me just sets off my autism and I can only come to the conclusion that they either don't care or are being sabotaged.

>>725023192
You know what? Good for him. I know he's made some bullshit over the years but if he can go out how he wants and enjoy his golden years then more power to him. Watching Miura, Takahashi, and Toriyama all croak pretty close made me feel bad about these guys getting worked into the dirt. Different industry but Im sure the culture in video games isnt that much cozier than manga. Let the guy rest and jack off to hime-cut women in peace.

>>725007503 (OP)
Would explain the insane mental illness cultist behavior from this retarded fanbase

The second KH4 was shown to be about Sora and we weren't pivoting to a brand new action game with Yozora made me lose all interest in the game
>b-but Porg Wars! Sora can fight Kylo Ren and be Rey's sidekick! We can have a Marvel world! The Simpsons!
>also Sora's story isn't over yet! Don't you want him and Kairi to be together finally for real???

>>725007503 (OP)
>Zoomers Gone
>Alphies Gone
Zoomers and Gen Alpha have never cared for Final Fantasy.
It's always been seen as an uncool IP by the younger generations propped up by brand loyal millennials.

Every rose(Lightning)... Has it's thorns.
*Tips fedora as pyrotechnic sparks rain down*

>>725023374
God, I love enjoying a mature hobby with my adult friends.

>>725023182
>DQ11
>Shadowbringer
>Endwalker
>Octopath 1&2
>Triangle Strategy
>Stranger of Paradise
>Neo TWEWY
>Visions of Mana was kind of alright, I guess
They're not totally hopeless outside of FF-related stuff.

>>725023378
Why didn't that faggot just name lightning rose, he ended up using rose analogies like cheap tissue during his shilling tours.

>>725023192
>the game will be a reset of the story
Concluding it and resetting it at the same time? lmao this shit will never end

>>725023479
anon most /v/ users complaining about squeenix havent played a squeenix game since XV, and I think about half of them dont even know what dragon quest is, let alone team asano projects.

>>725022463
>>725022762
We need to bring back hurr durr for people like you

>>725019063
thats fair

FFVII rebirth > Look outside > Silksong > Exp33 > Hades 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor

>>725022463
>turn-nigger schizos
They don't even buy the games they praise to heaven. They are just a very loud minority.

>>725008913
I bought ff13 and the guide for it and fucking hated it anon. I dropped it a few hours in because everyone but sazh was unlikeable

>>725019063
Nice copypasta, faggot.

>>725008128
>>725022463
>>725022762
>>725023794
You embarrass yourself in every FF thread and always respond to your own posts with the same shit again and again.

>>725022913
XVI is a decent game and XIII and XV are just worse
If it's about turn based, they've been itching to go action route since XII and XV wasn't turn based either.

>>725018948
I don't blame him. Even this website is full of retards underaged nowadays

>>725023794
The schizos immediately latched onto E33 as their chosen "FF killer" after Metaflop ceased to be useful to them.

>>725023826
it is true thoever

>>725022832
>are just trying to maximise how long the company will hand them a blank check for their passion projects.
Like what?I don't really see that much passion from SE

>I'm sure none of them want to be the person who has to be in charge of revitalising Final Fantasy while being limited to a AA budget.
They're not allowed to touch it in any relevant way because of the FF committee.
You can be very successful with a limited budget

>>725023887
Pretty sure this whole this is just schizophrenic people in it who just actively hate SE and legitimately don’t care what happens other than than wanting the company to die . But that will never happen because of how many fingers they have in so many things like anime, manga, live shows, and books aswell. Plus they could legit have a single gacha come out and it pay for all their games. Also SE is fucking retarded with how much they expect games to sell after 13,14, and 15 disappointed so many people. Like 16 did fine but they wanted it to sell like 6+ million I heard

>>725013629
>>725008349
You forget how you had newcomers with each entry to the series.
People usually play one FF, like it and then try the others ones. Modern FF games just aren't that good that it gathers new fans

>>725023995
Schizophrenic faggots and trying to pit games against each other is so fucking funny. Like they think people are poor like them and can’t afford to play all the games. I fucking loved metaphor, e33 and xvi so when they pull that shit it’s so funny

>>725024303
The consolewarfags arent gonna like this one anon

>>725015767
Sorry, anon - you seem to have posted the wrong picture. Let me help you out.

>>725023937
No, it isn't, XVI is a combination of everything that can possibly go wrong with a modern FF from the lack of exploration to the lack of playable party members, not to mention a shitty story that tried way too hard to be edgy and failed. The lack of RPG elements is the final nail in its coffin. The only way anyone could enjoy it is if they have a below average IQ or love movie slop.

>>725008913
Because the games before 13 were so good that people were hyped.
Look at this, right after 13 you have this massive dip. They even canned the whole Fabula Nova Crystallis thing which is so important to someone over there that they're attempting it again with the FF VII Remake

>>725019063
They don't even deny it

>>725024101
At least some of them want FF to die for the "sin" of having signed an exclusivity deal with Sony, all of the hate can be traced back to that. FF had been declining for years before then, but it wasn't until SE got into bed with Sony that the hate really went into overdrive.

>>725024493
No, it's just that FF is dead and I started the XVI with a neutral view

>>725008017
The padding is the worst part. Just skip it.

>>725024535
What the fuck are you talking about? VII and IX are two of the most popular entries in the series

>>725024535
anon you'd have to be 60 years old to give a shit about ffvii not being on the snes. you need to give up this attempt to turn every thread into schizoposting about nintendo

>>725024495
Your chart doesnt really support your argument when 15 sold better than anything post-10. If anything it just looks like spinoffs and sequels with always sell poorly

>>725008017
Just pirate it.
You'll enjoy it for the most part because your brain will just start to ignore the time jannies

Would XVI have done okay-ish if it released multiplatform instead of Snoy exclusive? Particularly seeing how XIVdrones are PC players?

>>725024303
Metaflop was as disappointing to me as FFXVI was, but I loved Rebirth despite its niggling issues. I will comprehend why it gets so much hate here and elsewhere, whereas I fully understand the animosity towards XVI.

>>725024814
*I will never comprehend

Turn based RPGs have a ceiling for an audience. You can't grow the franchise with it.

>>725024757
certainly better. squeenix-shit seems to sell the best on switch though, nintenbros eat that shit up, but a switch port of 15 wouldve been 360p and still caught on fire kek. I think the answer to your question will be seen in how the VIIR and inevitable XVI switch 2 ports sell

>>725024705
XV was highly anticipated, it was also the first non-XIII game after an entire console gen of XIII.
It also released on next gen consoles so people saw this as a rebirth of FF.
This was also before KH3, so people still had high hopes for a Nomura game

>>725024681
FF dropped platform exclusivity when the 360 was in its prime, from then on people expected every FF to be multiplatform until Remake shattered that expectation.

>>725024923
Please explain how pokemon, persona, smt, e33, and dragon quest are exceptions

>>725024923
It's a genre for a female/casual audience unironically

>>725024814
The major reason will always be the fact that it's not exactly a faithful remake.

>>725012780
c*pc*m is activelly killing itself now with their retarded regulations thoughbeit

>>725025036
I have never met a woman who has beaten a non-pokemon jrpg

>>725025076
I havent played a capcom game since DMC5 but arent the resident evil games still selling like hotcakes?

>>725025024
from what I've understood it was actually sony that was pretty adamant FF7 be exclusively on the playstation, I guess since it helped built the brand a lot back on the ps1

>>725009932
they had a golden opportunity with ff7

a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring the 90s nostalgia with the best remake ever, the game that used to compete with ocarina of time on shelves, and what the fuck did they do? chop it into 3 overpriced """"""parts""""""" with padding, add a bunch of bullshit and spooky time ghosts from kingdom hearts....

>>725025046
By definition a remake cant be faithful.

>>725025161
>it was actually sony that was pretty adamant FF7
I mean it was physically impossible to fit the game they wanted to make it on n64 cartridges. Ive never touched a sega console so I have no clue how feasible that wouldve been

>>725007503 (OP)
>The typical age of a Final Fantasy player is 42
This is exactly why Final Fantasy now has real-time combat.

As you can see from the source, every single game popular by people under 30 is NOT turn-based. Every single person complaining that Final Fantasy needs to be turn-based again is way above 50 years of age.

>>725025265
If Nintendo can do it, then why not Square?

>>725025296
I meant for the remake, sony wanted that attached to playstation

>>725025397
But thats not a remake
wheres is the remake, what did they remade exactly? did they re-introduce a plot point? did they re-structure anything? its literally just a new coat of paint

>>725025459
oh you're just a semantic retard, carry on then

>>725025459
They gave Culex a second encounter where he's 3d

>>725025353
FF hasn't been turn based for like almost 10 years now (XV released in 2016)

>>725007503 (OP)
>The only FF fans are losers who can't let a shit franchise go
Shocker

>>725025527
No im not being semantic. I also dont consider crash bandicoot n-sane or spyro reignited trilogy remakes.
If you want me to consider a real remake then REmake2 is a big contender. That one actually remade stuff.

>>725023530
We already know KH4 is a reset because it's a new arc with MoM and the Foretellers. It already began with KHUX, he's just formalizing it with KH4.

>>725012580
>they don't even know why people used to like their games,
>imagine being a monumental industry trend setting success and being completely incapable of understanding why that happened in the first place all the while trying in vein to repeat that success,
>Is there a bigger fuck up in videogames than Square Enix,
that is what happens when a bunch of cocky and conceited suits gobble you up or buy-out you to then demand culture changes from the inside 'because they didnt like it' and because 'its unprofessional' a.k.a. actual creators having too much control
so now they initiate the process to 'straighten out the problem' and restructure/fix it
que draining the unique creative juices brought into the work culture, destroying the established synergy between teams and their work ethics, then follow it up being through incrementally pushing out creators 'because theyre too difficult to work with'
if it were up to these suits, they would be blacklisting or flush people like sakaguchi or uematsu from ever setting a single foot into the industry now
theyre too rebellious and principled for their yesmen taste
>at least with Ubisoft their failure has been predictably driven by fatigue and trying to chase the non existent modern audience that investment firms have assured everyone is the single largest growth prospect.
thats how you end up with rancid modern AAA companies like EA Ubisoft or in this case SE
the suits in these corporate think they are smarter than you even if the market response tells them and you a different story
thats who youre dealing with

>>725025459
This is the problem with "faithful" remakes like MGS3 Delta and Dead Space; they might have fancy updated visuals, but they're still the same games underneath the gloss. Hard to get overly excited about playing the same game again without the addition of something new. The FF7 remakes went too far in the opposite direction, though, I feel.

This fat nigger is 42? KEK

>>725026197
Its just a different scope.
Konami isnt really in a position to make big changes so they decided to make something simple people would like.
As for dead space, i think they changed enough but their scope was to bring back the franchise. It didnt work.
FFVII remake has an entirely different scope. Its not just "a remake", it wants to close up stuff that they have built over the years.

>>725025353
>>725007503 (OP)
>Every single person complaining that Final Fantasy needs to be turn-based again is way above 50 years of age.
TRVKE

>>725026492
I mean, I'm not paying this year's price for last year's flops.

>"According to the survey, the typical age of a Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy player is 42."
Bros, why do they have to call me out like this?

>>725007503 (OP)
Based. Anyone under 30 isn't worth a damn.

>>725025161
Wasn’t the OG ff7 on pc aswell?

>>725028328
>Wasn’t the OG ff7 on pc aswell?
Yeah, I still have the physical discs in a folder.

>>725028328
Yes, it's pretty obvious that the exclusivity deal being referenced is the one for Remake/Rebirth, not the original game.

>>725028328
They made abysmal PC ports of FF7 and 8 and they bombed hard so they stopped until something like 2012, MMOs aside.Didn't care about exclusivity.

>>725021582
Give me KH4 and Verum Rex and Nomura can retire. I need to see that mans middle finger to Square's higher ups for taking his dream project from him due to a botched in-house engine.

>>725014721
>Enix's dragon quest is still fucking huge in Japan
The new remakes flopped hard and are generally hated by DQ players.

>>725025029
DQ is the worst example for a "growing franchise" considering it has been stagnant in fanbase for multiple decades.

>>725007696
>FF14 tranny has to bring up his faggot MMO out of nowhere
You will never be mainline despite the 14

>>725009932
So FF8 was the best all along.

>>725019307
Final Faggotroon not finding ground to stand on. Sad!

>>725021905
What, you think this has changed radically over the last few months?

>725022463
Biggest faggot alive is also a Final Fantasy apologist? Color me shocked.

>>725022625
>GameFags
Yeah all 3 people (1 is samefagging).

>>725025573
The only turn based FFs are 1,2,3,T, and 10

>>725026540
>almost 9 hours of replying to yourself
How sad

>>725008837
This

>>725022832
Didn't the shareholder documents that leaked or were published recently stated that while it did not flop, 7R and Rebirth underperformed enough that they would readjust the budget of the last chapter based on it?
Given how the AAA industry is doing lately, it seems that no matter the sales, a franchise will underperform. Then again, good luck convincing shareholders that long term security is better than short term profit

>FFVII - 1997
>FFVIII - 1999
>FFIX - 2000
>FFX - 2001

>FFXV - 2016
>FFXVI - 2023
>no sign of 17
>spinning wheels on VIIR for an eternity
What the fuck happened?

>>725034365
Just think, we could have ten times as many shit FF games today

>>725034365
Square Enix is an extremely prideful and self-conscious company, not in a good way.
FF13 was very negatively received and SE got mad about it, so they've been trying to re-invent the wheel since.

FF14 1.0 embarrassing the company didn't help either

>>725034757
yes, that would be much better. with 10 times as many games there's a good chance 2-3 of them would've been good by sheer chance.

>>725019063
This literally resident evil too, at some point if they used the same characters in a gay ass romance setting like high school or some wagie corporate ladder bs the "fans" would pay up too

>>725019063
Trve but RPGs should have a cast you give a shit about

20 years of shit games, and I'd still forgive them if they'd just release a god damned 4-guys in a row game, make it cute, make it fantastical, and put moogles in it. That's all anybody ever wanted. Take your armpits, and your action RPG slop and throw it in the fucking trash.

>>725012580
>they don't even know why people used to like their games,
>imagine being a monumental industry trend setting success and being completely incapable of understanding why that happened in the first place all the while trying in vein to repeat that success,
>Is there a bigger fuck up in videogames than Square Enix,
this is what happens when a bunch of cocky and conceited suits gobble you up or buy you out to then decide the work culture needs to change from the within 'because they didnt like it' and because 'its unprofessional' a.k.a. actual creators having too much control
so now they initiate the process of 'straightening out the problem' and restructuring/fixing the company
cue draining out the unique creative juices that went into the creation process and development, destroying the established the tightknit synergy between teams and members
then follow it up through incrementally pushing out creators 'because theyre too difficult to work with'
if it were up to these suits now, they would be blacklisting or flushing out people like sakaguchi or uematsu from ever setting a single foot into the industry
theyre too rebellious and principled for their yesmen taste
>at least with Ubisoft their failure has been predictably driven by fatigue and trying to chase the non existent modern audience that investment firms have assured everyone is the single largest growth prospect.
thats how you end up with rancid modern AAA companies like EA Ubisoft or in this case SE
the suits in these corporations think they are smarter than you even if the market response tells them and you a different story
thats who youre dealing with

>>725026587
ugh
these people are just another layer of the problem with this industry
AAA is a lost cause with these untalented leeches incapable of taking criticism having thoroughly infested every orifice of it

>>725030203
>Be consistent (DQ), get shat on
>Experiment and try something new (FF), get shat on
>Expand into various media formats, get shat on
>Make spinoffs, get shat on
>Make remakes, get shat on
>Dp nothing, get shat on

What exactly does SE need to do here? their own brainded retarded shitstain of a fanbase don't even know what they want out of SE

>>725035072
huh? resi 7 didnt do this, and you are kidding yourself if you think anyone bought 8 because chris shows up in it.

>>725035827
Maybe so but the point is it's not a valid criticism of SE or SE fans if the same can be said of other game franchises even if it doesn't apply

>>725018157
i gotta be honest
nomura on his own isnt that great
he needs someone above him with better taste for aesthetics and art direction to give him pointers and feedback on his design choices
his most memorable and iconic character designs came during the squaresoft era
his SE designs have just ben blegh

That's funny because I am that exact age. Every FF after 10 has sucked dick.
Anyone under 35's opinion on FF is shit and doesn't matter so basically all of nubrown/v/.
That's all.

>>725036181
The best thing that could happen to SE is being bought out by a company that's filled to the brim with tardwranglers.

>>725018123
>SD3 remake does well because Nintendo did the heavy lifting on advertising it
>don't put the new Mana entry on the Switch
I have no idea why the game failed, anon.

>>725008128
Doesn't matter since 60% of Japan's demographics are now boomers.
It got so bad they had to open borders for indians so they can finally have some young peoples in there.

Glad I got a refund for rebirth.

>>725008913
FF13 taught millions and millions of people to not buy a game on release day.

As one anon pointed out 42 is Millennial - on the upper end (I think Millennial goes to about 44), but of course SE has fucked up, but only 180K players in Japan (which is aging as a population for better or worse) isn't exactly representative. The average SE player overall is 30 which makes sense Of course its going to lean towards FF/DQ oldfags who are willing to answer this sort of survey because you have to be around 40 to have been young enough to have played the FF and DQ titles when they came out originally. . However, it seems they're trying to fix their mistakes to some degree with all the HD-2D and Remake/Remaster stuff, some of them are legitimately decent, but many of those titles (ie SaGa, LiveALive etc) so even those with new content added in and done well aren't going to have huge user bases, much less among younger people who knew these titles and went out of their way to pick them up in the entire market of games today.

The bigger issue is the other stupid shit SE is doing like being completely uneven. Sometimes they use Denuvo, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they release on PC at launch, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they include Japanese audio or a decent translation, sometimes they dont (though this is better recently, but they still need to fix some shit like FFIV 3D Remake. it should not require a fucking mod!) . Sometimes they do a remake/remaster and make it "definitive", sometimes they pull Pixel Remaster level bullshit where its not the "best version" of the games. Sometimes they release sequels or follow ups (Bravely Default 2, TWEWY Neoetc) without the original game coming first on modern platforms (Bravely Default HD STILL is only on fucking Shitch2 when it should have been made cross platform years ago..and it still isn't selling big!. They cannot afford this kind of fuckup. Its no longer the 80s or 90s, where there is a tiny console-focus market; they need to unfuck themselves and deliver to their strengths

How many bloomslop 2dhd original games has Square made? Feels like there's like 8 of them but they all merge together.

I want ff x-3

the adventures of elliot will save SE. they just have to make it a really good zelda-clone and people will eat it up
I will pre-order it the moment it goes online on steam. I'm a millennial and haven't bought a single SE game in years btw and played all FFs from 1 to 12. the last game I bought from them was DQ11

>>725018123
>They brought back Hiroki Kikuta and Koichi Ishii
The fuck they did, they were "supervisors", which means fuck all in terms of actual game development

>>725037108
SaGa stuff has been good
Third party partner studio stuff (Xeen doing Star Ocean 2R as one example) has been good.
As long as I avoid shit like that black girl game I can't recall the name of now and main line FF, I still get good JRPGs out of SE.
Revenge of the Seven was good, Emerald Beyond was good, I'll be checking out Octo 0 soon, and I find it hilarious that a former hardcore FF fan now mostly play SaGa over FF.

>>725010895
I think 7 is okay but i don’t really get its appeal to the point they made a movie and like 10 games of it
My top 3 have always been 6 9 11 in that order,
6 despite being just as important and magical as 7 is forgotten
9 has been getting teased for more content in its world for like half a decade
And 11 gets maintenance mode patches for a version of a game that lost its soul 15 years ago
I rather just making new mainlines desu but if you really want to make nostalgia bait please anything else but 7

Among all my raped childhood franchises, some are a little less raped than others, but some got super raped like Star Trek and Star Wars where the rape caused actual damage to the property. Stuff like Ghostbusters and LotR got off easier where most people forget the rape and it didn't cause any real lasting damage to the property itself.

I'd put FF in the that first group, and maybe even above the damage Disney did to Star Wars. It's really one of those baffling things where you don't even really believe a group of people who want to make money could mismanage something so badly.

>>725007696
MMOs dont count as only total retards play that genre. Its the same as people playing mobile games.

>>725037935
as someone who started with the SaGa OG Gameboy games (renamed to Final Fantasy in the US) and whose first FF game proper was Mystic Quest, with 7 you have to understand that it was as big of a leap for RPG gamers of that time as 6 was for me/us.
I really think that if you prefer 6 or 7 as your favorite depends on which you played first and when you played it.

I don't own "modern" consoles.
I haven't owned "new" console since something like 2006 with the FFXII.
>t. 38-years-old

>>725007503 (OP)
I'm 44 so this tracks. But I haven't played a mainline FF since 13. I play 14 regularly, but something about the recent glamour change rubs me the wrong way. I get that it's fun, but the timing reeks of desperation and it's so lot in the game's life to be making that change. People have spent years and millions fine-tuning their glamours only to get rug-pulled and have to make them all over again just because SE is getting desperate. It's a bit of soul-stripping from the game, as well. It doesn't sit well with me. Even Dawntrail's MSQ didn't phase me that much because it's a tiny part of the game as a whole. But the glamour thing bugs me and I can't really explain why. Just something about it what it means on principle.

>>725035726
They need to do all of those things, fix delivering quality and consistency like mentioned >>725037108 , and know that its no longer the era where every game is going to be a blockbuster but it can still be a success. However, I think a lot of their upper management is basically pissed literal boomers who are upset this isn't the 80s and 90s where they can demand a full priced title for everything and be lauded as GOTY . They also need to fuck off from gachas and similar nonsense, or from monetization exploiting shit like FFXIV to make up for other things they consider "failures". Yet somehow they don't even release DQX, not even the "offline only the story version" in the West. They're not getting shit on constantly except on /v/ which shits on most stuff, lets see...

>Consistency / DQ
DQ has always been bigger in Japan, and the recent HD-2D titles for instance are well received even in the West. Ever since they figured out at the end of the 2000s that people actually like JRPGs they can make them they just have to do it well
>Experiment / try something new
FF7R was a big success overall and some of their other new elements like Octopath are well received. Even Stranger of Paradise did well, but stuff like FFXVI didn't get a huge amount of accolades because it was more of a "We want the Game of Thrones audience but just by vague aesthetic we think Western players want, instead of our unique attempts like FFT that actually have that theme better"
>Various media formats
PC releases are overal their most successful formats when they don't fuck them up/ by release time or content. I have to give them credit for trying to release ACTUAL FUCKING GAMES on Android/iOS (except when they lack independent VO switches) instead of gacha garbage.
>Spinoffs
Some are good, some are not so good
>Remakes/Remasters
Most of these have been very well received and well made overall when done right, but they're still often niche titles

>40 year old furry manchild leeching off of a mentally ill woman he met in the ffxiv community, terminally online NEET who has been hard addicted to this shitty game for more than a decade.

gilgamesh.

Name the player /v/.

All AAA gaming is millenial slop.

>>725038339
What's the Glamour change? Please tell me they're going to a WoW-style Transmog system where you can just 'unlock' appearances and then apply them without having to get the actual widget out of storage and have like 3 separate ways of applying the glamour from the plates to the individual prisms etc.?

>>725038434
good try but millennials don't play most of these games, which are the most played on Playstation

>>725007503 (OP)

Really? There are still 180.000 fuckers that didn´t drop it? It´s kind of ironic though since all the changes were made to attract the younger generation eve if it meant sacrificing the original fanbase.

>>725009036
>supposed to be in highschool
>girl in the middle is like 35.

>>725038524
They're removing restrictions. So a level 90 warrior chest can be used to glam a level 10 healing tunic. All restrictions are being removed except on weapons.

>>725020091
>its honestly their last resort
Their...final fantasy...

>>725020091
Sakaguchi shit talking them was expected, but I never excepted Uematsu to say stuff about them. That's when I knew how bad shit was.

>Pixel Remaster is a good move, maybe a bit pricey for NES and SNES roms but zoomers don't know how to emulate
>give the PSone trilogy remasters too, toss in the Dragon Age 11 2D gameplay filter too as a bit of incentive
>Dragon Age 11 and 1, 2, 3 being a connected story with recent remakes is smart too, just make it more obvious they are a trilogy.
>push out FFXIV Mobile already and make an Y'shtola expansion instead of shoving her to the background. She is your mascot no matter how much you wish Minfilia or Alisaie were popular instead.
>uhhhhhh make an open world Dragon Quest Monsters
Boom, it's that easy

>>725038571
>GTAV is still a big game 12 years later
>the hype over its launch when it was overrated from day 1 and bad single player let alone worth going into multiplayer

literally who kept GTAV going for so long? ESLs? Mexicans that got bored of halo?

>thread for anime-styled game series
>look inside
>[thing]schizo has been falseflagging for 6 years!
>gross collages of a fat white guy and scat art
>people throwing around the names of imaginary "fandom" factions
>the same images every time, probably because some loser really wanted to "win" the latest tussle by making a spambot
anime has been a disaster for the mental health of nerds

>>725037935
>9 has been getting teased for more content in its world for like half a decade
the term dev hell is an understatement for what's been happening to 9

>>725040128
GTA is grown up Roblox
People love the online servers and doing RP or silly obstacle courses

>>725026197
> I'm tired of playing this game I like so the remake should be nothing like it
remakes are just entry points for tourist who don't give a shit about said game but want to be "part of the community"

>>725039570
did you miss the whole 1up interview where Uematsu talked about the future of FF and pretty much alluded to that it should not be done with Sakaguchi and literally said each FF was being treated like a "birth" to them?
This was shortly after the merger he tried to be mildly ambiguous about it
this is the video version of that interview article:
https://youtu.be/t1QPNZ_bzlE?t=2866
in other words uematsu was low key dissatisfied even back then and could see where things were going
its not wonder like every FF since they departed squaresoft/SE has had none of the soul and essence it used to contain
Modern SE is the direct antithesis to what squaresoft's creative philosophy stood for

>>725040630
>with Sakaguchi
*without Sakaguchi

>>725033951
When something cost hundred of millions to make you need hundred of millilns of people to buy your stuff.

>>725040630
>with Sakaguchi
*with both Sakaguchis

>>725007503 (OP)
The games are trash, and its astounding to me that they're still only doing 40% off max for Steam sales on FF7 Intergrade. This shit should be 75% off at this point. Its fuckin 4 years old

>>725038363
>spinoffs
This reminds me, why is
>Theatrhythm Final Bar Line
>Theatrhyhtm Dragon Quest (HD/expanded remake necessary)
not available on Steam (obviously needs to be Deck Verified) and Android/iOS? This is leaving money on the goddamn table. These are content heavy spinoffs reasonably well made with unique mechanics and thanks to the music and characters get both oldfag long term fans and the mechanics/depth are still open to even newer fans

>>725039021
Ugh that's disappointing. What I described above would make things actually less tedious (and could still keep prisms to actually apply as a currency and reasons for crafting), but what you mention pretty much obscures any sort of class identity and eliminates the difference between "social clothes" which could be glammed atop most other gear and the gear itself which still needed to follow some general rules so you can't make a the aforementioned noob cloth caster robe look like max level plate.

>>725022313
>XVI
>best FF
I hate children so fucking much it's unreal, just look at the garbage they regurgitate when you allow them at the computer.

>>725041206
they're about to sell it to tendies at full price at nearly 6 years since release

>>725007503 (OP)
>Millennials gone
Millennials are in their early 40s now.

>>725041363
they'd rather me just steal it so I did

>>725041430
There’s a key word after FF that you missed.

>>725018123
They never had the foggiest idea of what made this series popular in the first place.

>>725015816
30 and under are zoomers. Zoomers turned 30 this year.

>>725041891
Right, what a bloody waste. The only way to get it is to pirate it. Also I can understand the Switch support, but I'll never get how it came to PS4 yet didn't come to anything else. A port to Steam would be free money and not too difficult to do. Hell, if they made a Definitive Edition with more content/music packs/campaigns with all the previous DLC included they'd likely get a lot of sales if they priced it reasonably.

>>725041363
final bar line was a huge disappointment to me. the timings are off. can't listen to the underbeat of the music like normal, have to use visual timing. can't do one handed ultimates like i could on 3ds

>>725042050
Is it? And its not an emulator sync or performance issue?

>>725007503 (OP)
lol they haven't made a good game in over a quarter of a century. Of course their only audience is boomers clinging on to nostalgia.

this doesn't mean anything when everything on this survey that is not zoomer gachatard shit is 35 years old and higher

>>725018123
>>725042009
>Mana series
Was Visions specifically a problem? I remember all of the (PC/Steam) remasters/remakes of Mana series that did pretty damn well overall,
>Secret
As I remembered with some graphical and QoL stuff, plus interactions between the characters
>Trials
Legendary SD3 moved to a 3D remake, QoL, new content like character classes while still having the original bits etc
>Legend
Remaster more than remake but decently set up
So did they fuck up Visions or something specifically? Its high price (plus Deluxe edition if you wanted the old costumes and music tracks from other mana games) and limited discounts is what I thought kept it from doing as well unless the game itself was really a shitshow even worse than the other Mana games

>>725042812
it had some issues like the class change system not being really a thing until post game (and there is basically no post game) but nobody knew that at launch. It is still a great game but I think it not being on Switch sunk it.

>>725007503 (OP)
>Adults with money like our products
NOOOO! ITS SO OVER, BROS, WHAT DO WE DO!?

>>725043071
>Switch
Really that is what sunk it? I didn't think that was a primary platform for something like this. I can understand not trying to put a newish Unreal engine (4?) title on Switch given there were SO many shitty Switch ports of even less demanding titles much less the giant block of sludge that is UE where looking fancy has a huge performance fuckery penalty.

>>725043239
Well I'm sure the chinks firing all of the moonpeople at launch didn't help at all too

>>725007696
MMOs are exclusively played by boomers and tranny millennials

>>725007503 (OP)
>180 000 players polled.
This is not really a reliable sample size.
Like I'm not going to claim that final fantasy as a property hasn't been mismanaged. But I am also going to say that this data isn't reliable.

>>725043239
Not being on Switch doesn't help. It's been a dilemma for Square because they still push for visually strong looking games but Switch hardware was just complete ass, but by far the most popular platform in Japan. Switch 2 should be seeing better support at least.

Square Enix supported the 3DS really well, I have no idea why they stopped making games for Nintendo and went all in on the PS4/PS5 after the Switch released (and sold gangbusters from day one)
A lot of these third party publishers seemed to overrate their own popularity and thought by being exclusive they could help sell playstations but all that happened is that they sunk with sony's ship and an entire generation of Japanese now doesn't give a shit about them or their games

And even now they doubling down on that and trying to capture the chinese steam audience (who also don't give a shit about them) and still not making games for the Japanese market which used to be their bread and butter. No one is going to buy the worst version of a multiplat game, especially when it comes on a key card

>>725043071
Is this an in-game screenshot?

>FFXVII
>main character is "literally me" black haired isekai gook
>love interest A is a princess with a spunky side
>love interest B is your childhood best friend who is also so tomboyish she's a gross hairy slob (people love this kind of character, don't shoot the messenger)
>cool old man party member, 42 years old
>shortstack furry party member, throw the hets a bone and make her female
>brooding evil prince party member for the female players
>plot is about saving the four elemental crystals from Garevil, the Demon Emperor who's enslaving the poor innocent summons
Hire me

>>725007503 (OP)
This is what happens when you try to reinvent the wheel with every new entry in the series. You're only left with your hard core fans.
People can shit all they want on series like Mario or Souls games for being the "same game" and all that but at the end of the day their fans knownwhat they're getting. Those series have an identity.

FF doesn't have one anymore. FFVII Remake/Rebirth, XV and XVI all look and play like they could have been different ips.

>>725043602
yes

Why do you fags obsess over a bad series instead of playing a game that suits your interest?

>>725043821
>FFVII Remake/Rebirth, XV and XVI all look and play like they could have been different ips.
oh fuck off you retard

>>725043895
retard

>>725043895
>why do people who like THING get mad when THING becomes OTHER THING
you'll understand when you become a human

Exact same hubris is going to drive McDonalds and Coke out of business.

>>725043895
because deep down we all still want to love FF

>>725043982
Coke would have to do something really bad to get me to stop drinking it
McDonalds I haven't been to since they hiked up their prices in 2022

>>725043895
It's because I love this series that I'll forever shit on the shitty games that taint its name. If I didn't care I'd just shut up and laugh it off.

>>725007503 (OP)
square enix has not in their entire career produced one good game and have been coasting on the fumes of squaresoft for over 20 years

>>725022656
Remake combat with FFXIII’s pacing would be heavenly
But Squenix still feels like they need to put in minigames for babies after XIII’s reception
I dunno why the forced walking but it seems like boomer devs genuinely think it makes a game more immersive or some shit

>>725043895
because deep down people know FF is the only fucking franchise that's worth a damn and no one can replace it

>>725043239
The thing is that Switch is still the dominant industry market. It doesn't matter if it can't handle some UE4 or any UE5 games worth a damn, if you're not either a big hit on PS5/PC, or on Switch with enough buzz, you're probably not doing hot. Companies are hoping the Switch 2 picks up the slack for ports and newer titles, and that will be a slow ass build up, but fundamentally you lose a HUGE amount of possible buyers. And a large amount of that is entirely for portable shit; with working adults having kids or demanding schedules, a Switch is just pick up and play, put into sleep mode when you're done, next to no fuss.
Having to sit down and boot up a long JRPG on a console at the TV or your computer simply isn't easy to go back to for a lot of people because of the Switch's staying power, and it's why there's quite a niche audience of such people with handheld PCs specifically.

>>725042131
it is 95% the wireless controller (was playing on switch)

didn't feel like doing a wired controller

>>725026197
>MGS3 Delta
>still the same game underneath the gloss
If fucking only

>square will focus on smaller projects
Lol they cancelled all of those to quadruple down on their overbudget garbage.

>>725036949
Except the millions upon millions who bought 13-2 you mean?

>>725043895
Because the all-encompassing quality of peak Final Fantasy not only remains unequaled, no one else ever even tried to do it.

kids and teens today know more about persona, tales, baldur's gate, TES, and than final fantasy. specially persona.

>>725043895
>stop being mean to bad series!!!
fooling nobody, faggot. or are you asking the same in last of us threads?

>>725045974
>persona, tales, baldur's gate, TES, and than final fantasy.
and E33*. outside the internet you barely see Final Fantasy fans.
t. Math Major helping wife with her classes

>>725038363
>DQ has always been bigger in Japan, and the recent HD-2D titles for instance are well received even in the West.
The newest remake is quite literally one of, if not the most negatively received mainline DQ titles in Japan since 6 and 7.

>>725024669
they ruined dyne/barret subplot

>>725046249
>they ruined dyne/barret subplot
how so?

>>725014419
Final Fantasy''s crazy huge budget and focus on graphics and movies getting completely btfo by 4 shade grey gameboy pokemon that was all gameplay completely mindbroke the company and they have never recovered.
It's like Nintendo destroying Zelda after Dark Souls took over. They see how much people love what they should have been making and instead of trying to make it they decide they can't even compete and start doing everything they can to distance themselves from what people want.

>>725039570
>but I never excepted Uematsu to say stuff about them.
Did you miss the whole 1up interview in the 00's where Uematsu talked about the future of FF and pretty much alluded to that it should not be done without Sakaguchi and literally said they treated each FF with care like a "birth"?
He tried to be mildly ambiguous about it
This is the video format of that same article interview conducted back then shortly after the merger:
https://youtu.be/t1QPNZ_bzlE?t=2866

Uematsu was low key dissing them back then and foresaw where SE was going
Its no wonder nearly every FF since they departed squaresoft/SE has had none of the same soul and essence it used to contain
Modern SE is the antithesis to what squaresoft's creative philosophy stood for

>>725025029
>personashit
P5 was a fluke. P3 demake and metaflop didn't even come close to the relevance of 5. And 6 isn't coming out in the next 5 years.

>>725046249
I won't tell you I thought it was good, but I am about to grill you until you regret saying this.

>>725014419
>okemon is now bigger than it’s ever been with both the millenials and younger generations being in on the fun. Video Games, mobile, tcgs, toys, anime, and etc.
it is wild how even YGO got dethroned by PKM worldwide in both sales and popularity. both second market gamblers and direct market with people actually buying decks and cards to just to play

>>725008017
> threw in excessive side quest padding to excuse their greed for splitting it into 3 separate releases.
Rebirth is the best modern FF and the only issue is it beeing part of FF7. If it wouldn‘t be it would hailed as the best FF since (your favorite ff).
>very hard content
>amazing ost
>good graphics (except the models in the overworld)
>great waifus
>gameplay is FUN as fuck
>every team member playes differently
>costumes with mogry yuffie
>characters are nicely fleshed out and with sidequests even more
>interesting lore
>shit ton of side content
Just to give you a rough estimation
>fallout minigame
>for condor minigame
>3-4 other minigames
>mario kart minigame
>own addicting card game with great depth and own fucking storyline
>3 arenas to beat
>hardcore challenges that open up postgame

I can‘t wait for FF7R3 and their mainline FF

>>725016091
It wasn't 13 but ff15 that killed the series.
Quality aside the game was hyped for over 10 years as the big new FF and it was the last time normies bought into final fantasy. Dunkey had a week one review of it and he claimed he was excited for the game. Now everyone knows FF is washed up after that disaster. Game wasn't even finished on launch. Combat was gay and weird rather than an evolution of kingdom hearts like the trailers promised with Nomura helming <it had a command menu>
16 was just boring and average but 15 had the gaming world by the balls. It was essentially the half life 3 of jrpgs and it was so dog shit it killed the franchise permanently as everyone witnessed the slop square served up. Also you have to understand 15 was supposed to be the ff7 for zoomers. It was supposed to capture that zeitgeist like persona 5 did. So ff15 failing basically ensured zoomers never got on board the FF train. Add on the 20 year gap between kh2 and kh3 and square truly had a generational fuck up.

>725046932
>this stale pasta again
Dead game. Dead franchise.

Stranger of Chrono would be easy money but Square are no doubt asspained another company managed to do the action combat they keep fucking up.

>>725047118
>>725046601

>>725046292
dyne doesn't kill himself, he gets killed by shinra. (they also sanitize other parts of the game like the transport/cruise ship people being knocked unconscious instead of killed)

>>725046932
Problem with rebirth and every FF is they're scared to be bold. The writing is dull and every edge softened. Nothing shocks me like 7 did. Seeing trails of blood. The impaled snake. Etc.

>>725047191
>dyne doesn't kill himself, he gets killed by shinra.
...thats it? thats all the subplot is to you?

>>725047221
>Nothing shocks me like 7 did
you were a kid.

>>725047191
prepare yourself for further grilling. no answer will sate me.

>>725047341
You can watch comparisons of og vs remake. The plates falling on the slums didn't kill anybody in remake. But in the og you see the newscaster die. You see the destruction. Blue blood in remake. Snake impaled was ruined. Keep coping nigger they dulled the shit out of the game.

>>725047221
They're under the illusion 7R would entice an entirely new audience and insisted the games be T rated, which by today's standards means softening everything up to a stupid extent.

ARE YOU SEEING THIS!?
HE'S... HE'S DEFENDING CRITICISM!! HE'S ACTUALLY DEFENDING OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT THE GAME!! IT'S LIKE HE'S... CONTENT TO LET OTHERS SAY WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT IT!!
ARE WE GOING TO JUST LET HIM GET AWAY WITH THIS??
DO YOU REALLY NOT SEE WHAT A MENACE THIS GUY IS!?

>>725047128
No one cares about your flopshit.

>>725047221
>Problem with rebirth and every FF is they're scared to be bold. The writing is dull and every edge softened.
this can be applied to most if not all modern day legacy AAA studios
they have no teeth
they dont dare to do anything out of the ordinary that could maybe shake up people or even make them ponder something for a bit
they assume everyone is too stupid to understand subtext or deeper meanings

>>725047505
FFVII Remake was a vast improvement over the OG in every way. Take the plate fall scene for example. Jessie's family, all the upper plate peeps and still plenty of NPCs screaming "mommy!" sold me on the devastation (which was not explored enough to have ANY emotional impact on me in the OG).BUT- They still had a tone problems that shifted focus of the scene from an exposition on capitalism/classism. That was lost in the scene, but ultimately they explored those themes in a more nuanced way elsewhere in the game. I wish I could erase the OG and compilation from my memory to experience the entire story of remake fresh, because it does everything better.

>>725047589
>FFVII Remake was a vast improvement over the OG in every way.
nta
but good grief
you fit that consoom meme to a tee

>>725047191
I thought it was better written overrall, the plotting of you go from gold saucer to corel prison is definitely better, and how north corel / Gold saucer world building works better. While dyne didnt kill himself, he took a suicide route by just taking shinra alone by choice, to "save" Barret and not giving him the closure he wanted.
Corel prison was the only part that i consider strictly worse than the original, but the idea of corel prison being super dangerous was ok, just another take to it. They couldnt sell the idea properly sadly. And in fact they didnt have to do much.

>>725047589
>FFVII Remake was a vast improvement over the OG in every way
Kill yourself immediately, and I say that as someone who quite liked Rebirth

I'm 30 and have never felt any desire to play any Final Fantasy game. The whole aesthetic and rebooting the franchise every installment is incomprehensible to me. It's like the most generic anime product I've ever laid eyes on. What's the point of these games? What's the hook? My guess is that what worked in the 90s and 00s when anime was novel enough on its own, has since fallen off or been cannibalized by the gacha market.

Their attempts to Westernize the franchise ironically just make it seem all the more generic. Like if they leaned into it unabashedly, that would at least be unique. But that would require an amount of self-awareness which I don't think they have.

this nigger probably also thinks Ghostbusters 2016 was better than the original too lmao

>>725047589
>FFVII Remake was a vast improvement over the OG in every way
how to tell the poster is under 25 in a single post

>>725047589
>>725047505
I actually wrote some suggestions to make those two chapters better. I think remake tackles it well but needed some ironing. Those who say "but dude...people survived" dont even know what they are talking about. Both in the OG and remake it was OBVIOUS some people survived. But they didnt focus much on those who didnt.

>Chapter 12
Delete the whispers completely except when you are about to get to the pillar, theres a scene where Aerith is trying to connect with the planet and the whispers appear to block you. I like that because it gives you the idea that Aerith knows exactly what they are and that they are connected to the planet, they are not just random ghosts, its subtle and it gives the idea that aerith is begging the planet to let them save sector 7 and not just go through the motions. Delete the scene with Aerith helping betty back. Remove the music playing when the plate is falling. Add a scene of the upper plate perception of the plate fall for impact purposes, my suggestion would be Jessie dad and mom having one last touching moment before they feel an earthquake and bam, it goes to black.

>Chapter 13
Add smoke and more debris when you visit sector 7 destroyed. Add NPCs crying for their missing loved ones and kids NPC crying like "wheres my dad, wheres my mom", implying a lot of people died but not necessarily everyone, its natural that some had the time to escape. Keep the scene of Sephiroth haunting Cloud since it is my favorite, but change his dialogue slightly. Make it more "personal" to Cloud, not like exposition to the player. In the Vanilla dialogue hes making a point on Cloud strong desire to be strong and a hero, but fails to do so, showing seph desire to break him. In my version, he would say something more general like "You failed. What kind of hero are you? You are pathetic" as he walks towards Cloud with a serious look. More like his own mind is fusing two of his greater fears/PTSD.

>>725047521
you'd have to be pretty insecure to not be able to accept someone saying they didn't like one thing about something you enjoy

>>725047517
And they could have if they kept it as brutal as the OG.. M Rated games sell 30 million copies now. This isn't 1994. Honestly seeing a faithful FF7 remake be rated M would have built a lot of hype. "Wait a faithful FF7 remake has to be rated M? Maybe this isn't childish anime bullshit."

>>725024303
I think this stems from some corporate survey telling them people only buy 1 game a year. They don't realize it is because games are all shitty and not because people are restricting their purchases.