Thread 725109307

Top 5 games?
Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
Most disliked games?
Looking forward to?
Currently playing?

>>725109307 (OP)
>Currently playing?
Nine Sols.
Go play it.
Now.
I will not be elaborating.
Goodbye.

looking forward to grime 2. grime was a great game but required a lot of content updates to become good

>>725109307 (OP)
Playing axiom verge rn, the backtracking is shite

>Top 5
>Hollow Knight
>Silksong
>Disliked
>Idk haven't played anything else, metroid I guess
>Looking forward to
>Silksong DLC
>Currently playing
>uhh nothing

>>725109307 (OP)
La Mulana
Silksong
Super Metroid
Symphony of the Night
Fortune Summoners

3D? Metroid Prime 2 and Bloodborne
Disliked? Shantae (All of them)
Looking forward to? Prime 4 I guess, there aren't any other 2D metroidvannias on the horizon are there? Well Bloodstained 2, but I'll wait till it comes out before I make any judgements.
Playing? None atm

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Sotn, Silksong, SuperM, Ecclesia, Am2r
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
I liled the PS2 Castlevanias. Also Prime saga.
>Most disliked games?
Dropped Ender Lilies, I don't like the gameplay and the map
>Looking forward to?
Crowsworn
>Currently playing?
Silksong. I haven't finished it yet, I'm on act 3. 80 hs in and it's better than HK1. Masterpiece of design

>>725109307 (OP)
Chronicles of the Wolf is worth it bros! A slow Simon’s Quest-esque start, but then there is a full castle.

Silksong was so much fucking better than Hollow Knight, but predictably Hollow Knight fans have such terrible taste that they don't fucking appreciate it.

after silksong, i feel like metroidvanias are not worth exploring any longer... they outdid hk1 by a mile and now i can only wait for future releases that can hopefully beat silksong

besides silksong and hk1, sotn and to some extent bloodstained are on my top lists, but mostly for their soundtrack and looks

>>725109307 (OP)
>posting jaks
not telling you

Beaten blasphemous 2 NG+ recently. thinking about replaying the first one though, as the atmosphere and boss design there still are incredible

>>725109307 (OP)
I like
Metro Gravity
Aria of sorrow
Bloodstained ritual of the night

Don't like silk thing or whatever

>>725109307 (OP)
rabi ribi continues its undisputed reign.
when will rabi ribi 2 descend to save the goonieslike genre?

>>725109307 (OP)
Aliens Infestation and Spider Man Shattered Dimensions on the DS are pretty fun Metroidvanias

>>725109307 (OP)

1.- HK
2.- Blasphemous 2
3.- HK: Silksong
4.- Metroid Dread
5.- Ori and the will of the wisp/the blind forest (can't decide)

>>725113019
>>725109307 (OP)
(cont.)
>Most disliked games?
blasphemous 1. it's tedious and clunky

>Looking forward to?
i don't know. what are some metroidvanias in development?

>Currently playing?
finished SS and i don't want to know anything about metroidvanias. im finishing all AOE 2 campaigns on hard and some elden ring (i've been trying to finish these 2 for years, they are infinite)

>>725109307 (OP)
Is Arkham Asylum a 3D Metroidvania?

>>725113308
Pretty much, the BamHam series are just like Lords of Shadow 2 and Darksiders in terms of interconnected areas and requiring unlockable skills for backtracking

>>725109307 (OP)
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
Prime 2, I guess. It's not like there's a huge variety to choose from. Why are there so few 3D MV style games? When I was young I assumed that the Prime series would lead to a 3D metroidvania boom but obviously that didn't happen. If anyone has any recommendations for 3D games I might have missed I'd love to hear them.

>>725110154
Same. I just beat the big titty schizo. What a fun fight.

>>725114601
Bet that game would be so much fun as hentai game.

> top5 games
There is literally only 5 true metroidvania games in existence

The rest are deadborn shallow attempts at a clone

>>725109307 (OP)
IS there any /v/ chart about metroidvanias?

>>725115981
Seconding this. There was one, but it's too outdated

>>725115981
>/v/ chart for anything in 2025
lol
if you're looking for games in the genre to try that you may have missed check out this fag's list of shit (ignore the tier-ing) demajen.co.uk

>>725112164
desu the only thing HK did better than Silksong is the map design, everything is perfectly connected and the shortcuts are super clever, Silksong felt much more linear in comparison, and smaller thanks to Hornet's insane movement. However everything else about Silksong completely mogs HK, the combat is fucking amazing

I like Blasphemous and GBA and DS Castlevanias
SotN is ok
I hated reddit knight
afterimage was very mediocre

Ducktales Remastered is a quality babby's first 2D metroidvania, it even has a pathetic small SOTN-style map

>>725109307 (OP)
¿ʇɐɥʍ ʍou

My favs are SM, Axiom Verge and Aria of Sorrow.
Not playing one currently but will try out Silksong soon.
I love Shadow man and Primes for 3d.
Don't like both Ori, also Ender Lilies is very meh.

>>725116459
Have you played hollow knight 1?

>>725113308
>traversal based progression
>non-linearity in one big map
>rpg elements
By any definition, yes. I don't know if they're great ones, though, there's a lot of bloat and I'm usually pretty goddamn tired of them by the end.

>>725116118
Why does he have sings showing if the game has contact damage or not? Do people really get bothered by that?

>>725109307 (OP)
I like Aquaria, it was from back in 2007 when indie Metroidvanias weren't being hyped at all so not many people know about it

>>725119024
>Do people really get bothered by that?
Look at where you are, my friend.

1.cave story
2. cave story
3. cave story

4. castlevania son
5. gun of fury

>>725109307 (OP)
Rabi Ribi
Order of Ecclesia
SotN
Bloodstained
Afterimage

>Most disliked games?
Any where the combat primarily revolves around using a dodge/parry/become invincible button. I have some tolerance for that in 3D games, but not in 2D ones. I wouldn't say I hated it, but I also dropped Hollow Knight almost instantly because I disliked how the movement felt.

>>725119024
I've seen people here acting as though that is some sort of game design cardinal sin.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Favourite 3D metroidvania
easy, it's motherfucking Shadow Man
honourable mention
Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2

>>725116146
i don't like how much stuff in silksong is relegated to secret hidden rooms. unless you furiously search and suspect every single nook and cranny to be a secret entrance you won't find shit.
i did it because i havr played many and i can sorta tell when something is suspicious, but i imagine a lot of people missed stuff like the mottled skarr hunter or the secret passage in the far field's bellway room.

>>725109307 (OP)
Top 5 Metroidvanias
Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls 2
Elden Ring
Faxanadu
Adventure for the Atari 2600

>>725109307 (OP)
I'm gonna shill Ato, for what it was it was a really nice game. Pretty short too.

>>725119071
Not a metroidvania but fun game
There needs to be more games about cute mergirls

>>725120651
>Not a metroidvania
It definitely is a metroidvania, you must be remembering wrong.

>>725119071
i dropped it partway through

>>725121174
nope:
>>725115954

you have a very loose, zoomer definition of what metroidvania is
no wonder given the fact you probably grew up surrounded b all this shallow trash trying to copy sotn

>>725109307 (OP)
Haven't played much of Castlevania (somehow only Circle of The Moon kek), so I guess my list would look something like:
>Metroid Dread
>Super Metroid
>Metroid Fusion
>Hollow Knight
>Silksong
Best 3D Metroid is Echoes.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
SotN
SM
Astalon
ESA
Gato Roboto
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
Supraland is the only one that even comes close to fitting the style.
>Most disliked games?
The handheld Castlevanias and Silksong
>Looking forward to?
ESA and that one about painting.
>Currently playing?
None at the moment.

I had a blast playing Zero Mission and I didn't expect that

>>725121387
Oh you're a retard, I get it.

NES Metroid is a better game than Zero Mission. ZM holds your hand too much and confines you too many times while NEStroid is open from the beginning and lets you go wherever. It's more fun to explore. But people bitch about it because a Youtuber told them to.
>but muh 30 health
Yeah, bitch. It's about surviving in a hostile environment.
>but muh map
Yeah, nigga. It's about finding your way.
>but muh copy-paste areas
It's a maze, faggot. It's supposed to be confusing.

>find something that looks interesting
> le rogulike

everi tiem

I just wanna say that Super Metroid is kinda shit. Full of totally obtuse one-way paths and conditional blockages. Let me paint a picture:
>Enter Maridia from bottom after getting gravity suit
>immediately head right into the sand trap area
>reach end (path to springball), see breakable ceiling and worm things to be frozen to jump up
>there is also a worm thing up top which jumps off screen and waits until you get up there to immediately fall onto you and knock you back down
>eventually get up only to discover one-way blocks above the breakable blocks - this is an exit-only path
>discover that it IS actually possible to jump out of sand to the top of the screen, getting through the crumbling grapple block in the prior room
>try to leave sand trap area, discover that I entered through a one-way door
>take the exit tube up to the top of Maridia
>there isn't any path back down (grey door until you kill boss for space jump)
>have to go up through Ghost Ship and Crateria and back down
I stopped playing for a while after that shit. And that was just a particularly egregious example that followed a whole slew of lesser ones while I was trying to get all I could before progressing further (this is made worse by using a reference map because the obtuse conditional blockages and one-ways basically can't be marked other than shitting footnotes all over the map).

>>725122143
I don't know why they bother. I'm never going to play anything other than Binding of Isaac anyway. The competition sucks.

>>725122272
When I resumed, it wasn't much later that I found that the timing on space jumping while switching directions is utterly fucked and just will not work for me. I'm not bad. I did all but the most obnoxious shinesparks in Zero Mission and AM2R. I did infinite bomb jumping (that's also fucked in Super btw, basically frame perfect timing on a three fucking second delay is required to even get a double jump). I nearly finished the game and don't know if I'll actually see it through both because it's just fucking offensive and because there's a mandatory switchback space jump that just will not work (an ascent between getting screw attack and ridley).

>>725122272
For me, the one big thing that is annoying with older Metroid games is the lack of visual cues for breakable walls. Sure, sometimes the layout of things will look suspicious, but there's nothing there to provide context clues (cracks, specific materials, etc.). The blocks that replace textures and tell you what weapon to use are a bit immersion breaking, as well.

Also, Ridley a shit. Never liked fighting him in the older games.

is it just me or is this map just incoherent trash?

>>725114601
Popping back in to say hell yeah, she was a pretty good time. I'm not sure if I like her or the final boss more, but I can pretty safely say the whole game is a slam dunk, it should've won goty last year.

>>725122272
SM isnt even metroidvania
before you get all mad and agitated, try using logic to understand why
it is literally just a boolean logic answer

>>725110154
Nine Sols isn't a Metroidvania. It's a 2D parryslop soulslike

>>725116118
>Play anime game
>A Touhou game
>Complain it's too anime

>>725122991
>soulslike
Dark Souls is a metroidvania.
Sorry.

it's been 30 years and there still hasnt been a game that would dethrone SoTN
Sure, HK got close, VERY close but that's a bout it

>>725123092
No, it's really not. If Dark Souls is a Metroidvania then so is every Zelda game and every Resident Evil game.

>>725123184
Scooby Doo Classic Creep Capers (N64) is my favorite metroidvania.

Oh shit the faggot arrived.

> get instant mad when proven wrong
kek

>>725123184
It ticks all the boxes. Non-linear world design with gameplay largely centered around unlocking new abilities/items that allow you to make progress in areas you previously couldn't.
Dark Souls is a metroidvania.
Sorry.

>>725122991
>"It's a 2D parryslop soulslike"
>getting mad about main mechanic
looks like someone got filtered

>>725109307 (OP)
Timespinner is the best metroidvania on steam and better than every single game ever produced by IGA himself. Heard it from Joe on Gamesack.

Why did Circle of the Moon do the map so perfectly and then they never repeated it? Having no gaps incentivizes searching. You see it constantly where games just make huge hallways to have areas completely disconnected from everything else.

>>725121387
It's a metroidvania and I'm older than you son. Trust me.

>>725122991
Souls has nothing to so with parrying. I've beaten them all and never parried. The main enjoyment after the interconnected exploration is the variation in ways to approach combat.

>>725123184
People literally call top down zelda like games like hyper light drifter "metroidvanias" these days.

>>725123184
Souls needs the tool based exploration and to add in puzzles and it would reach perfection.

Not single game that was in the foundation of what metrodvania is (debuting and culminating with sotn) was 3D so no 3D should apply as most of them even back then already had similar characteristic by virtue of it being 3D (gex enter the gecko, Spyro, etc)

Term "metroidvania" should be ONLY applied to 2D games because these always were looked upon as being very limited and simple compare to 3D counterparts but SOTN has proven that does not have to be the case even if you still miss that extra 1D.

So no, memesoulda and other 3D shit should not apply. The whole idea of "metrdoivania" is to label 2D games that excel past traditional limits of 2D sidescroller trash.

IT IS LITERALLY AN EXTREMELY SPECIFIC TERM CREATED TO DESIGNATE AN EXREMELT SPECIFIC TYPE OF 2D GAMES THAT MATCH AND EXHIBIT EXTREMELY NARROW AND SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS you fuckign moron.

>>725123943
That would put you at 52 then

>>725124252
Okay xoomer.

>>725123658
Someone mentioned that yesterday in their list with Grime, Salt and Sanctuary, Vigil, Ender Lilies; good enough company to look it up at least.

>>725123875
Yeah, the second you see any single stretch connecting hallways with like 1 dude every 14 feet, it's maybe time to just have individual levels and save everyone the commute.

>>725123943
>>725124353
embarrassing newfaggotry

>>725124697
>new faggotry
I've literally been here forever, kike. Fuck off with your accusations of 'newfaggotry'.

>>725124803
>I've literally been here forever,
No one really contested that, gramps. You can be old as a corpse in the dumptser, still does not make you right on the subject you are wrong on.

>>725124098
i have never heard or seen anyone call hyper light drifter a metroidvania (directly)

>>725109307 (OP)
I haven't played enough to have 5 favorites. Silksong and OG Hollow knight are my favorites. Shoutout to Afterimage.
3D metroidvanias are either just action RPGs or action adventure
Vigil sucks because when it came out I couldn't get it to work with my controller. I probably won't go back to chasm.
Constance is what I'm looking forward to and I'm playing SotN.

>>725124803
>-oomer
newfag

>>725124885
His usage of newfag buzzwords indicates that he is, indeed, a newfag.

>>725109307 (OP)
Supah metroid
Hk
Silksong
Blasphemous 2
Monster world

Just 100%ed Silksong. Think I am going to get a few days of rest.

>>725110154
i played for 2 hours and got 20 minutes of gameplay i cba fucking a if i wanted to read shitty vn i'd read a shitty vn

It is my dream to complete every metroidvania ever played so I can judge Hollow Knight and Silksong fairly and intelligently. I'm starting with the big ones that people seem to mention/discuss the most (picrel), are there any that are missing? Anything to add? I have already played Rabi-Ribi to death so I'm skipping that one.

>>725110154
I don't like games that take the gamepad off my hands every 15 minutes. The dialogues aren't even good, it's just pretentious garbage

>>725126225
More than half of this is trash
Also, it is a pointless endeavor.

>>725126225
The original Shantae
People are going to bitch at me for mentioning Timespinner because of the homo shit, but it's still a good game

>>725126225
Just play whatever you enjoy.
Also some of this are much harder than most of HK, like ESA.

>>725109307 (OP)
I started playing Cathedral recently. It’s not amazing so far, there’s a lot of very annoying backtracking, and the bosses are huge health sponges.

>>725126726
fuck you and your homo woke DEI shit

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
La Mulana
Salt and Sanctuary
Lost Crown
SOTN
Super Metroid
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
Prime 2
>Most disliked games?
Fucking silksong among recent releases. Stretched out, boring mess with some of the most baffling design decisions i've seen in the entire genre.
>Looking forward to?
Wolfhound
Aeterna Lucis

>>725127314
>Salt and Sanctuary
hell yeah brother

>>725127314
>some of the most baffling design decisions i've seen in the entire genre
Such as?

I prefer Ori to HK.

>>725116326
actually good post

>>725127831
based trany

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Ender Lilies, SotN, Rabi-Ribi, Nine Sols, Terraria
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
I think the only one I have ever played is Castlevania Curse of Darkness.
>Most disliked games?
Timespinner and Sundered, don't let the fancy graphics fool you, those games suck ass.
>Looking forward to?
GRIME II, Bloodstained 2 and the hypothetical true sequel of Rabi-Ribi, I have been out of the metroidvania loop for a while, so I haven't checked what is releasing next.
>Currently playing?
The last one I played was Tevi, it wasn't all that good.

>>725127738
Shell shards. Possibly the worst resource management system i've ever seen, even worse than spirit emblems in sekiro.
The fact nearly a half of upgrades are vendor-bound instead of being an exploration reward. Almost no rewards for bosses and gauntlets. The map is too fucking big and ends feeling empty and stretched out as a result.
Braindead low commitment healing system that forced them to introduce nearly universal double damage. It also took a massive shit on the spellcasting system.
Insane amount of fetch quests.
Fucking EVERYTHING about the act 3.

>>725118102
Ye, liked it but found it a bit too long and the areas were kinda samey.

I also liked Blasphemous and Rebel Transmute (inb4 trannygame)

>ctrl f environmental station alpha
>0 results
oof

in your own words, tell me what makes a game a ‘metroidvania’
i’ve played a lot of games that have item-based progression, but how should i know if they constitute as ‘metroidvanias’ or not?

>>725129006
Should've done ESA as well

>>725109307 (OP)
Why did Castlevania make it into the name? What do the games even have to do with Castlevania, asides from the features that it just took from Metroid. Why not just call them Metroidlikes?

>>725129006
I refuse to play games that look so ugly, sorry.

>>725129261
My thought is the ones that have more RPG mechanics. You've got games that are just basic combat upgrades, movement upgrades, and really focused on the platforming (like Ori), Others are closer to the CV games with more gear, leveling up, RPG stats, etc.

>>725129043
I feel like a lot these game genres are so loose and ill defined no one knows definitely. Like, let's go and define rougelike, now watch the thread fill just from that supposedly simple question

>>725129043
2D platformer with combat, item and/or ability upgrades, and exploration that requires traversing the game world in a non-linear fashion and backtracking to certain areas to unlock new power-ups or paths.
Yes Zelda II is a Metroidvania.
Yes Simon's Quest is a Metroidvania.

>>725129261
No one gives a shit about metroid.

Games where you need to find upgrades to unlock new areas? My favourite is Ocarina of Time. Then Metroid Dread.

>>725129341
your loss rentard
it is one of the best proper metroidvanias

>>725129043
The game takes place on one interconnected main map made up of different areas. The goal of the game isn't clearing levels, it's finding the goal in the map (usually the boss of that area)

Compared to traditional games where each area is a contained stage and you progress linearly to the end. And also compared to a hub based game where you have a central area and go into the seperate areas from there instead of each other.

For me it's Phoenotopia:Awakening

>>725129580
completely wrong
literally zoomer's surface understanding

>>725129443
>proper metroidvanias
No such thing, all metroidvanias are proper metroidvanias.

>>725129801
Why? Because it doesn't have your shitty item based progression requirement?

>>725129741
Based.

>>725129872
see
>>725124181
metroidvania is a very specific definition for a very specific narrow category/sub-genre of games
Anything else is a shallow derivatives or just "le 2d exploration games"

Again, retard, let me spell this out for you - term metroidvania was coined by community (and no, it wasnt some narsististic jurno fag with the ego size of Manhattan) to describe a very specific set of games because that term was needed at the time. I literally played SOTN day and I lived through the best time of metrodivania community.

>>725130071
* played day one

>>725129872
>>725130071
And to iterate it further, 999999999999999999999% if indie trash call their game metroidvania, even thoug hthey never ever met the requirement of matched the term, is because thet simply want to a free ride on SoTN/Castlevanias well-known image and fame. It is literally the pathetic:

> "See, gaymer, see! Our game is EXACTLY LIKE THAT GREAT GAME EVERYOEN KNOWS so wouldnt you want to buy it? Huh, HUH?!"

Fucking pathetic cucks, every one of them

>>725130071
>The game takes place on one (2D) interconnected main map made up of different areas. The goal of the game isn't clearing levels, it's finding the goal in the map (usually the boss of that area)

>Compared to traditional (2D) games where each area is a contained stage and you progress linearly to the end. And also compared to a (2D) hub based game (i.e. Zelda 2 that isn't a Metroidvania) where you have a central area and go into the seperate areas from there instead of each other.

You were saying?

>>725130474
Seems like it's just an ESL sperg t b h.

>>725110154
Naw, looks gay. Bad art style.

>>725130474
You literally repeated the same nonsense you said before, and?
That does not make you right. You can repeat it as much as you want, it wont change things, you just describe generic "2d exploration game", not a proper metroidvania which SoTN gave definition to, as the original ethalon.

>>725110305
>looking forward to grime 2.
Me too. They post updates regularly now but no mention of a date so far. Not even a demo. Kinda surprised that Grime doesn't pop up in metroidvania threads that often. It's genuinely stellar from weapon choices, OST, the combat (parrying but you don't have to focus on it), the lore, etc.
>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
1. Blasphemous
2. Grime
3. Nine sols
4. Blasphemous 2
5. Ender Lilies

>Hamas executed the developers
It's over

It's a term that's expanded well-beyond it's original fringe use and it's been genericized. Any remotely resembling Metroid or newer CV games is labeled a "Metroidvania."
It's like calling any third-person action RPG a "soulslike."

Is Ori worth it on pc? I usually play these games on my PS5 for convenience but if i HAVE TO sit at my PC to play a metroidvania it better be good.

>>725130841
It's still the best term for it though, like roguelike. What would you suggest instead?

And to apriori address the upcoming retardation argument:

> "but the term metroidvania has evolved!"

it did not, it still means what it need to mean, it just retards instead of using proper terms for their shallow clones instead resort to abuse the very niche term for obvious free PR reasons described here >>725130387

Again, if your game does not meet strict metroidvania criteria simply dont fuckin call it so, use proper terms.

Fun fact, ESA never had metroidvania tag when ti was release and its steam store page never ever mentioned it. You know what happened? The game EARNED being called so.

Same with OG Hollow Knight, use Web Archive and go back look at the orinignal store page from 2007 - the devs neve called it metoidvania and tag was later user-assigned. It EARNED this as well and later they changed the page because they had all the rights to do so.

You/dev can call their little shitty pathetic shallow clone whatever he wants it wont matter shit.
Proper metroidvania earns it sub-genre label post-release.

>>725129043
>Backtracking with newly acquired abilities (double jump, flying, swimming, etc) unlocks new areas and allows you to reach spots in previous areas which have goodies
>an interconnected map (a visual representation of the map is preferred for easier navigation)
>bosses who wall progression
And finally, the point that many games miss, but that is a core mechanic of the genre.
>RPG elements (levels, stats, damage numbers, etc)

IF your game doesn't have RPG elements, then is not a metroidvania is a search-action game.
IF your game has RPG elements, then it is a metroidvania.

LEARN
THE
FUCKING
DIFFERENCE

>>725130804
They're probably fine. Probably.

>>725131070
>from 2007
from 2017, typo

>>725131105
>part of some fest

>no pre order
>no full release
>no demo
They are NOT fine

>>725131092
Metroid doesn't have RPG elements

>>725131267
Because metroid is not a metroidvania is a search-action game, metroidvania only ever comes to come into existence when fused with RPG elements like how SotN did.

>>725124181
>most of them even back then already had similar characteristic by virtue of it being 3D

The same applies to 2D games before the term "Metroidvania" dipshit.

>>725110391
>>725116459
>Axiom Verge
might be the worst metroidvania ever made

>>725131375
What's the point of the term Metroidvania if you can't even use it to describe Metroid?

>>725131375
The secret is Metroidvania is a bad genre because SotN is a bad game with nice graphics and music.

"Search-action with RPG stats and no interesting movement" is a dogshit concept.

>>725131513
So my extremely autistic mind can cope with people putting games into a genre that doesn't match my extremely specific, personal definition

>>725131513
For the exact same reason that you can't call classic Castlevania games metroidvanias and if you ever do that in a castlevania thread you will be executed and crucified.

>>725131496
I don't understand why the /v/ hivemind doesn't like it. The art and music are gorgeous. And it has actually nice original mechanics.

>>725131745
Because the gameplay is shit, you get the green gun way too early and it trivializes combat.

>>725129261
Because Symphony of the Night was a mainstream popular video game, and Super Metroid was not.

>>725131460
No, most 2d games back then did not have "le open world" and "word exploration", they were very primitive 2D games.
And even if they did, like SM, they did not have other elements like other character in the story, and the coherent prsentable story to begin with and character progression, etc etc
A lot of these things, used together, were initially debuted/coined by "3D adventure" games, hence why they dont need to be called metroidvania and it makes no sense to do so - they initially were superset of the aspects of "metroidvania" to begin with.

Again, as I mentioned before, there is literally no point using term metroidvania outside of 2D games, it is moot and server no value.

>>725131826
True, also many weapons are useless but I love the exploration still.

>>725131553
SotN has the smoothest, most fun movement of any metroidvania, nothing better than traversing several screens with wing smash.

>>725131513
>>725131595
>>725131693
A sandwich is a bread and butter.
Butter isnt sandwith
Nor bread is.

Or do I need to go even lower, to he kindergarten level, to try and explain this basic logic?

>>725131553
And yet funny how it is still king of the genre 30 years later, huh? You'd think by now it would be a history.

It is liek you have no argument outside of shitty opinion

>>725132218
Although, you are correct.
>food analogy

>>725132218
>ESL food analogy

>>725123489
I like how you say “abilities/items” because there are no abilities, and thus isn’t a metroidvania, moron

>>725132136
>were initially debuted/coined by "3D adventure" games
the most consistent thing about these genre prescriptivist arguments is that they eventually fall back to calling something an "adventure game" as a catch-all for "any other genre", ignoring that at one point it very prescriptively applied to games made in imitation of ADVENT

People with Silksong on their top 5 should strongly consider the rope

>>725109307 (OP)
Best ones are
Wonderboy 3
Metroid 3
Demon's Crest
SOTN
Zero Mission

None after zero mission are worth playing.

>>725129741
Essayfag said it sucks though.

>>725132435
> they eventually fall back to calling something an "adventure game"
But that is what I suggested from the get go because it works naturally just fine, on its own:
>>725131070
both ESA and OG HK went through this path and earned the subgenre-specific title.

Again, it is my peak autism, but I think it is right and fair - metroidvania label has to be hard earned post-factum and one can simple call their attempt "2d exploration game" meantime.

>>725131092
That's not at all what the term means, anon.
It just means a game with a similiar map style and non-linear progression style with backtracking like Metroid or SOTN.

>>725131496
You haven't played many if you believe that.

>>725131496
Even worse than 2?

>>725132527
this.
just replayed Harmony of Dissonance and it's crazy how much more fun and how better this middling entry is compared to HK and Silkshart

>>725133172
LMAO that's like the single worst one of iga's games.

>>725109307 (OP)
I'm not a big fan of the genre, so my top five would be the ones I've played
>Blasphemous
>Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
>That one porn game with the ass/boob metroids and xenomorphs
>That one porn game that's more of a dark fantasy with lots of rape monsters

>>725132940
Shut the fuck up, you fucking genre secondary.

I thought this game was really good and it does not get the credit it deserves.

>>725132940
Metroidvania: metroid and castlevania.
SM was the first to have somewhat non-linear progression/"world" exploration (even though it was absolute fucking sad shit) and Castlevania (with Simon's Quest) introduced basic story-centered progression, characters to the world and light RPG elements
So when people call SOTN metroidvania they literally have in mind a combination of these best characteristics used together and improved/iterated upon:

- SOTN added *proper*, non-linear exploration when you could choose where to go, like there were moments where you could pick a different path instead of "go there, fetch power up then come back and go this way"
- SOTN improved on the initiative to the world exploration (numerous items, weapons and power ups)
- as a followup to the previous 2 points, world progression and exploration was tied to skill/key item/powerups as another, core-way of progression
- SOTN had an actual fucking characters and their little backstories that were part of the main story
- it had an actual fuckign story instead of some obtuse metroid shit and had to learn in the fucking meme guide
- it has character progression system means you no longer was gated by skill check, you could overcome an skill-obstacle (usually boss) in a different way (by getting stronger)
- inventory system as a complementary feature to the lightweight RPG/character progerssion system
- it had a coherent map and overall world design with areas that didnt feel disjointed but rather transitioned into one another with overall overarching theme (Dracula Castle)

There was literally NO game quite like SOTN because SOTN took the best aspects of numerous game, and improved and iterated upon them. That's why new sub-genre term was invented, it was literally the same reasons why other [sub]genre terms were created.
The reason you disagreeis because you grew up in these shallow pathetic clones that used term for their shitty games left and right and you got used to it.

>>725133957
That's nice but he's still right

>>725112958
I can't tell if you're shitting on Tevi or not

>>725134093
We don't talk about Tevi here.

>>725131826
Kilver?

>>725134289
Voranj

>>725110154
>new original IP
>absolutely amazing quality on all fronts
The most fun 2d combat i have played yet as well. Its an absolute gem.

>>725134449
it has other values

>>725134449
Good to see Redcandles getting the success they deserve

>>725134449
>>725134585
the best part is they are not even milking it like most devs, they next game is literally original survival horror memes again

>>725134426
Voranj sucks

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Bloodstained: RotN, Dread, Harmony of Dissonance, Samus Returns, Symphony of the Night
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
lmao
>Most disliked games?
everything that's not Metroid, Castlevaia (except for CotM), Bloodstained, and SMT Synchronicity
>Looking forward to?
Scarlet Engagement
>Currently playing?
nothing right now but will play Dread again later

>>725112963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzYjWLqgNA

I cried

>>725134990
Yeah, it sucks the fun out of the game due to how overpowered it is.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Super Metroid
Zero Mission
Dread
Circle of the Moon
Luna Nights
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
Prime 2, I guess. No idea what other games would even classify as 3D Metroidvanias
>Most disliked games?
Hollow Knight. I tried during release, I tried a few years later after all the dlc was released and I tried again this year due to Silksong releasing. It's a combination of most things I don't like in Metroidvanias.
It takes too long for your character to start feeling like they're actually evolving.
It's WAY too long for a Metroidvania (Metroidvanias shouldn't take more than 20 hours to beat in a casual playthrough)
I don't like the Dark Souls inspiration at all
The setting is not interesting to me
>Looking forward to?
Prime 4 I guess
>Currently playing?
Prince of Persia The Lost Crown.
It's insane that a game THIS good was made by Ubisoft.
It's fantastic, it's so far the second best metroidvania released in the last 10 years for me (the best is Dread). We will see if it stays in that position when I play Nine Sols after I'm done with Lost Crown.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
Metroid prime 2, super metroid, metroid prime, hollow knight 1, environmental station alpha

>Favorite 3D metroidvanias ?
Metroid prime 2

>Most disliked games?
Metroid fusion for leading to other M and poisoning the 2D games after it with shit exploration design focus, other M for obvious reasons
>Looking forward to?
Metroid Prime 4, ESA2 whenever the hell that Finn fuck gets to it, metroid 6 despite my issues with Dread
>Currently playing?
Castlevania aria of sorrow

>>725121516
Yooooo, a fellow Astalon enjoyer. I have played many many Metroidvania games and though it’s no silksong it’s definitely super enjoyable and really fun and non-linear.

>>725131092
That’s not how anyone uses the term. No one actually uses that delineation and just lumps them all into metroidvania, and it’s a losing battle to try to pretend otherwise when RPG systems are a sliding scale and you’ll have to explain how half of the genre name isn’t actually part of the genre. Not that it wouldn’t be helpful, as I dislike rpg shit in my “search action” games

>>725135863
I should finish that at some point

>>725109307 (OP)
Resident Evil is a 3d metroidvania. Change my mind

>>725114219
Actual 3D metroidvanias are very hard to make (see nintendo having to bring prime 4 development in house). The prime trilogy remains the only actual 3D metroidvanias to date, every other 3d "metroidvania" is missing something integral to the genre.

>>725109307 (OP)
Is the ender lillies series and Blasphemous 2 worth it?

>>725123658
lol easy there. I’ve played most Metroidvanias and I’ve played Timesplitter too. Is it good? Hell yeah, maybe even great at times.

Best ever? Ehhhh, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Parts of the end game felt rushed and the insufferable way they felt the need to cram in every single LGBT stereotype into the npcs annoyed me, and I’m one myself

>>725119582
>>725116459
BASED Shadow Man gods. Fucking amazing game. Outstanding atmosphere, so goddamn creepy with enjoyable exploration. Loved the temples. The remaster knocked it out of the park, too.

>>725111249
the most generic safe answers of all time

>>725135203
>Bloodstained: RotN
literally 3d trash and you have it in favourites

I was going to make a post complaining about how 90% of posts ITT mention Hollow Knight/Silksong but then I realized there are just not many great Metroidvanias when you think about it

>>725136094
Progression is primarily based on keys/puzzles, not inherant upgraded/environmental searching

>>725136136
LOL
LMAO even

>>725136094
Resident Evil is a sandwich-action game

>>725136312
>>725115954

>>725124181
I do think that a 3D Metroidvania can exist. Souls like games are not it though. That literally isn’t even it at all. Like, the new Zelda games are more Metroidvania games than the souls games and we don’t count the Zelda games

>>725131092
>>725131070
>>725133957
If insisting on a hyper-narrow definition limits the genre to such a short list of titles, and makes nonsense of discussions borrowing the term to refer to a much broader range of games that has cropped and and are clearly inspired by them due to similar gameplay elements, then your arbitrary cutoff is isn't helping discussion. It's just retrofag gate-keeping.
Don't even start with terms like "search action" and "Metroid-like".

>>725136094
It’s not non linear at all, nor are parts of the non-linear map gated being abilities. wtf are you talking about

>>725136470
That's literally what I explained - these 3D "metroidvania" games you describe are superset in the metroidvania aspects already, that's why that term is irrelevant.
If a dev uses that term for their shitty 3D game is is a red flag he wants to piggy-back of the subgenre fame for ez PR.
I personally instablacklist such shitters, if your game cant stand on their own that means it is not even worth for me to check it out.

>>725136537
Duke Nukem 3D is a search-action game. Change my mind.

>>725136312
I mean, let’s be honest - Hollow Knight deserves a place among the “holy trilogy” at this point of Super Metroid, Castlevania SotN, and now Hollow Knight.

This is coming from someone who played those games on release too. I’d even be in favor of updating the term to Hollowvania or something

>>725136537
I literally said you can simply use:
>2d exploration game/adventure
That is what ESA/Hollow Knight started with, that is how devs literally advertised it. They earned title of metroidvania later.

What the issue?
(well, I know what, from the POV of the shitty indie dev in 99.999999%cases none of these shitty clones will earn it of course!)

>>725136696
I share your feels though seems you are a little more stringent than me. Okay, let’s play this game - name a game or two that you would consider a 3D Metroidvania.

> there ARE NON-

Let’s pretend you have to name a couple that come the closest. I’m curious to hear your thoughts. I’m thinking it over too.

>>725136136
Yeah, Ender Lilies is great. It's like Aria meets Hollow Knight.

I think this game came seriously close to being one of the best metroidvanias but something's just missing, and I can't really tell what it is

>>725110154
Nine Sols is barely a Metroidvania though, more like an action platformer with missable shit because you weren't thurough with your exploring.
Still a good game tho.

What went wrong?

>>725124181
That's retard logic, it's like saying platformers should only be considered for 2d games

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5
Zero Mission
Super Metroid
Symphony of the Night
Aria of Sorrow
Metroid Dread

>3D
Prime Triogy (1 is the best)
Batman Arkham Asylum I guess

>Disliked
Not so much a game but a trend. I fucking hate that a bunch of metroidvanias now are just 2D soulslikes.

>Looking forward to
Prime 4 despite it all. Hopefully Metroid 6 will be announced soon too

>>725136810
>They earned title of metroidvania later.
Either they were designed as upgrade-based action exploration games, or they weren't. I think you're too close to saying "it's a Metroidvania if the community decides it is," which goes too far in the other direction, towards all-encompassing arbitrariness.
If a game is marketed as Metroidvania, and isn't, then have that discussion.

>>725136836
There are literally none anon, and I explained why - before SOTN was even released there were a bunch of 3D games that already incorporated aspects of metrdoivania in one way or another, some more, some less. And, as I stated before, this is by the virtue of the genre. Where as for a 2D game it was a new approach/invention that would be worthy to place it in is own [sub]genre, for 3D game it was something expected, something a given.

I dont know how else can I explain it so it makes perfect sense, but that's why I dont even call 3D games that meet all the criteria a metrdoivania - because it makes no sense, the "ancestors" of such games already did that long before and it is not an achievement or a stand-out of the category - it is simply a normal, sometimes expected thing.

>>725136918
too much Castlevania and Dark Souls and not enough Super Metroid

>>725128940
>Ye, liked it but found it a bit too long and the areas were kinda samey.
If that was your issue with Hollow Knight I'm afraid you will have the same experience with Silksong. Movement is significantly better though

>>725137072
No? Platformer isnt a narrow term/genre definition. "Metrodvania" was literally born out of of a few games and it described very specific type of game[play], where as platformers were basically a staple of the industry and in fact, it is so generic - platforming aspect IS a part of metroidvania.

>>725137072
I mean they are retarded, so that checks out

It’s so stupid how the conversation became dominated by one autist’s headcanon about metroidvania denoting rpg mechanics, when that’s now how anyone uses the term. It’s also inherently asinine, since people say action rpg and not zeldaquest or someshit

>>725137167
>I think you're too close to saying "it's a Metroidvania if the community decides it is,"
Actually, I expected someone to resort to this argument way earlier and let us be honest anon, it is a fallacy.
Notice I never said "we call a good game metrdoivania", I said we call proper metroidvania - a metroidvania.

Case in point: I love Valdis Story, I think it is a great game. I *like* first Ori too, I also think it is a great game. I dont consider either of them a metdroivania, they simply dont meet the criteria. Just because they are a good game and community rated them positively.

And this is just 2 example games out of hundred.

>>725124181
>interconnected map where exploration and unlocked abilities drive progression
That's the definition for a metroidvania. No one fucking cares about whatever RPG mechanics you think are essential because they aren't. Symphony of the Night's RPG mechanics were entirely inconsequential, having equipment just allowed for you to find things around the map that weren't strict upgrades

>>725137647
>That's the definition for a metroidvania.
No.
That is ONE of the definitions of the metroidvania, otherwise, Super Metroid would be one but this is a logical fallacy

>>725137763
>That is ONE of the definitions of the metroidvania
Yeah, the definitive, colloquial definition

>>725137763
>otherwise, Super Metroid would be one
It is.

>>725109307 (OP)
Castlevania SotN
Hollow Knight
Laika
Worldless
Monster Sanctuary

>>725136028
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TELL ME THAT MY FAVORITE GENERIC 2D PLATFORMER IS NOT A METROIDVANIA!!!!!

>>725136918
Backtracking was a slog for me. I dropped it after the Archbishop.

>>725137905
see
>>725132218
A single part cannot make whole.
Metroidvania - metroid and castelvania, best aspects of these used together and improved/iterated upon.

SM cannot meet definition of metroidvania because it is a small subset of it

>>725138102
Nobody cares about your personal definition, sperg

>>725137934
This list is all over the fucking place, explain.

>>725129043
"Metroidvania" is a term that emerged in the late 90s/early 2000s on forums of the time like GameFAQs and Gaming-Age. It was used specifically to refer to Castlevania Sotn and Cotm, games that took elements from Super Metroid (even though Igarashi denies it and says he was only inspired by Zelda Alttp). It's a term invented by fans, nothing official, and the "vania" in the name doesn't mean anything. Castlevania did NOT INVENT ANYTHING for the formula. It just introduced elements from other genres, like the RPG aspects or melee combat.
The real term for the genre, coined by the Japanese, is Search Action. What is a Search Action? They're side-scrolling games that have 3 main aspects.
1: They're set in an interconnected map.
2: The game's mechanics can evolve according to what the player unlocks (you unlock abilities, not keys. That's why Resident Evil isn't a Metroidvania/Search Action).
3: There will be backtracking, whose pace can change based on your unlocked abilities.
There are other elements, but they're not always mentioned when referring to the genre, like Sequence Breaking.
In short, the term Metroidvania makes no sense, it is jist a way to identify games that look like Metroid, and crying because you think people are using it wrong turns you into a fucking retard.
I repeat, Castlevania didn't create anything for the genre, it just popularized it. And don't get me wrong, Castlevania is an amazing series, but it's no pioneer in anything other than mixing 2 already existing genres.

>>725138140
You seem to still failed to debunk it, though.
And it is not a personal one, it simply sticks to the original meaning. Just because zoomers tainted it does not mean the original meaning does not exist.

>>725138235
Nobody cares about your personal definition, sperg

>>725138196
> Castlevania did NOT INVENT ANYTHING for the formula.
This is correct. As I mentioned before, metrdoivania isnt a new genre or invention, the term simply was created to designed a VERY niche game that possess specific niche characteristic used /presented in a specific niche way. All of these features already existed before.

That's literally it. If a game that calls itself boldly "metroivdania" does not meet the criteria then it isnt one

>>725138102
Your argument is predicated on your arbitrary definition being right, which it is not. The RPG mechanics in SotN were almost entirely superfluous, and do not merit a sub-genre of a sub-genre. If you're made up definition only covers five games as you claim, then it is entirely useless and should be ignored.
Metroidvania = game with progression like Metroid **OR** Castlevania. That is how much thought goes into that term. It's literally "X-like" or "X-clone" but with two franchises mashed together as the source rather than one.

>>725138273
You care enough to reply and be mad.

>>725138518
Nobody cares about your personal definition, sperg

Give me your best backtracking kino.

>>725122991
some early parts are but definitely not the 2nd half linear boring parts

>>725133459
>That one porn game with the ass/boob metroids and xenomorphs
>That one porn game that's more of a dark fantasy with lots of rape monsters
>doesn't give the name much less RJ codes
Double nigger.

>>725122019
>game is boring and samey
>its meant to be confusing!!!
kill yourself

>>725138448
>The RPG mechanics in SotN were almost entirely superfluous, and do not merit a sub-genre of a sub-genre. I
First of all, I mostly used term "character prohression system", not RPG. And even then I mostly use term "RPG elements", RPG system or mechanics is not relevant here, true.

Secodn, I have no idea where did this weird notion came from that metroidvanai is defined by RPG elemtns as a cornerstone.

Finally:
> The RPG mechanics in SotN were almost entirely superfluous
all RPG mechanics were (are) superfluous, as most games back then were literally making shit up as they go, outside of D&D memes

> Metroidvania = game with progression like Metroid **OR** Castlevania.
If it was logical *OR* then a term that would encompass similar game would already exist beforehand and it would appaar real fast as industry literally was moving at lighting speed back then. But it didnt.
it is not OR and never was, this is literally you making shit up, it always was combination of aspects and characteristic of both, Castlevania AND Metroid.

>>725138040
>that “generic 2D platformer”: Super Metroid
Past time to kys you clown

>>725138448
Uhh no games have to """earn""" being called a metroidvania, okay??? You cant just CALL a game that, that's like ilelgal and stuff!!(?)! It's like how silent hill EARNT being called survival horror

>>725124019
>personal incredulity is an argument

Just beat Silksong. Was okay.

>>725138163
SotN i played only last year and surprised me how freeform it was and how many metroidvanias still fail the basics of "exploring is fun" and instead just have gates that can be opened at certain story points

Hollow Knight I liked for how "slow" it was, in the days before hyper sweats flooding the internet with challenge runs it was cozy to map out zones while taking in the nice lookng place and wondering about its world.

Laika just for the novelty i guess, learning a new system based on Happy Wheels was fun, world design and artstyle is great, OST is a 10/10, and it's so unapologetically edgy it goes full circle and becomes good again.

Worldless same as the above, a weird system that worked well, here doubly so since it's probably the only game that made the "turn-based action" good to play.

Monster Sanctuary had a great skill tree system that made each pokemon feel unique instead of just another statblock.

>>725129043
>interconnected map where progression is driven by exploration and finding new upgrades
It's that simple. If progression is gated by keys or cutscenes (as in, an area you once visited only changes after a cutscene), it's not a metroidvania. Resident Evil is not a Metroidvania, Zelda is not a Metroidvania, Dark Souls is not a Metroidvania.
A good general rule of thumb is, if you started the game with every ability unlocked, could you travel to anywhere you want on the map? If the answer is yes, it's a Metrooidvania.

>>725109307 (OP)
Top 5 games?
>Rabi Ribi, Silksong, Aria of Sorrow, Metroid Dread, Environmental Station Alpha
Favorite 3D metroidvanias?
>Pseudoregalia
Most disliked games?
>Luna Nights was disapointing (the bosses were nice)
Looking forward to?
>Nonolith (and probably that weird Pacman metroidvania too, but it doesn't look that great)
Currently playing?
>Not any metroidvania

>>725129006
N word
>>725121516


>>725135863
I much prefer it to Silksong. Tight level design, and the dev actually got a mangaka to do designs.

>>725134093
rabi ribi 2 was announced. nothing else matters.

>>725138925
Okay but did this post earn being claled a metroidvania???

>>725138859
There were a plenty game like that long before SOTN, yet they did lead to invention of the term or any similar one, hell, even a local one.

>>725138968
Uhh I'm gonna have to check my spergtionary for this one

>>725138817
Shut the fuck up metroon, your next game is open world slop.

>>725138807
I don't care what term you used. It's all the same shit and all equally inconsequential. Metroid and the Igavanias are Metroidvanias

>>725139084
lmao, yeah, it shouldn’t be long now

>>725139050
And? SotN was more popular than them and got its name put in the genre title.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games?
>silksong, Hollow knight , super metroid, zero mission, portrait of ruin
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias ?
Idk what counts as 3d metroidvania, so I'll just say prime 1.
>Most disliked games?
When I'm not having fun with a game, I drop it early on, so I can't say which I would dislike most, I dropped ender lilies and nine sols recently.
>Looking forward to?
Prime 4 and silksong dlc I guess.

>>725139135
> Igavanias
Kek, pathetic attempt some ego-centric cunt to pretend he is a center of the universe and the "le creator of metroidvanis" only to fail miserably with his own trash when he had no stellar team behidn his back.

That was fucking delicious reality check, same with Mighty N9.

>>725134585
Idk anon, they very much made their games to match whatever was popular at the time.
They sttarted production on Detention where surreal artsy fartsy games were all the rage, Devotion when there was a lot of money on the table with 3d horrors and Nine Sols when it was clear Metroidvanias started becoming a big genre.
All good games but i feel they may not have been so earnest about them.

>>725138196
Strongly disagree. There are a lot of metroidvanias where progression is mainly gated by key items and not abilities.

>>725139243
Popularity isnt the reason sub-genres would earn their own definitions back then, it is the need. You dont now this, but that era has like 45876546745 different cult game magazines release each months and these old-school jurnos were literally discovering america of videogames as they go and creating new genres, definitions and approach to rating systems. If there was a need to categorize specific genre it would have been created.
But here is a thing - metroidvania wasnt a "real" gene category, as I repeated MANA times:
>>725138443
a very niche sub-genre definition created by a bunch of nerds for their needs that encompassed a very niche type games they liked. That's literally it. It became well-known because games that met it were stellar on their own AND its inherent legacy as well (Metroid and Castlevania games, even if they were just part of the superset of the definition)

>>725139638
What games?

Irrespective of your feeling on the game as a whole, Silksong is really a terrible metroidvania. There are only a handful of progression required abilities over the course of a 30 hour game, and they’re not even exciting. You get things that are really basic (double jump) or that other games bake into your core moveset (wall jump, sprint)

>>725138950
Tevi already is Rabi Ribi 2. Shouldn't it be Rabi Ribi 3?

>>725140027
Tevi is not rabi-ribi 2, Tevi doesn't have a bunny girl nor a fairy.

So what are your thoughts on Ghost Song?

>>725140962
metroon coded so I don't play it.

>>725140962
disappointment
> expect ESAtroid but creepy
> get... what even is this, some watered down version of something generic

>>725140641
kek

>>725140962
It's alright.

>>725140962
Absolute dogshit game.

>>725139273
Bizarre contrarian revisionism. Bloodstained was awesome and people loved it.

>>725141951
What? No! Bloodstained was Might no. 9 but even shittier! IGA is a worse hack than Conman.

>>725142337
The fuck are you talking about? Bloodstained sold over 2M copies and is a worthy castlevania successor.

What about cookie cutter? Any of you played it?

>>725142547
Delete your post.

>>725122019
just play planets, it's the base game with some modern qol. og metroid is cool but i wouldn't suggest it as a person's first game.
but if you like metroidvanias might as well give it a shot, it's a fun game even in its original form

>>725137559
I'm not all that familiar nor particularly committed to either of those two games being termed Metroidvanias, but the obvious next question would be, what criteria are they lacking? And then you open up a conversation about genre and its boundaries. And the fact that many would disagree with you about Ori ("Yes, it is a Metroidvania, because it features platforming, exploration, and the ability to gain new skills that allow access to previously unreachable areas, and the gameplay emphasizes collecting items and solving puzzles within a non-linear world") aids my original point about the pitfalls of arbitrarily narrow criteria. If Metroidvania is more genus than species now, I'm perfectly okay with that. And term is being used in that way now, so it's kind of a foregone conclusion. Trying to resist it is a losing battle, as this thread illustrates.

Dawn of Sorrow, Order of Ecclesia, Ender Lilies, GetsuFumaDen, Bloodstained

Looking forward to Bloodstained 2.
I should play Ender Magnolia but i've been too busy with life and finishing other games I've already started

>>725122991
the only vaguely soulslike element in nine sols is losing exp on death and having to retrieve it. if that's all it takes to be a soulslike then minecraft is a soulslike too
yes i know it got inspired by sekiro. no, sekiro is not a soulslike

>>725123489
You never unlock abilities that let you access previously unreachable areas.
It's very close to being a 3D metroidvania, but it lacks a very crucial component of the genre.

>>725124181
bro your prime trilogy? you literally progress and explore like you would in any metroid, except in first person

Ok I am going to give Rabi ribi a chance because it has been shilled ad nauseam here. It better be the best metroidvania of all time.

>>725142975
Metroidvania games do not have a skill tree that that unlocks stuff like air dashing. Anyone who thinks Nine Sols is a Metroidvania is a moron.

>>725143247
Set the game to hard so you can have a good time.

>>725143286
it's pretty linear all things considered but it's not like rpg elements are new to the genre. hell, the -vania part has more jrpg stuff than nine sols. also nine sols skill tree is heavily tied to progression and exploration, merely defeating enemies only gives you like 30 out of 70 points needed to unlock everything (the rest you gotta find them in the map

>>725142975
>sekiro is not a soulslike
Retard.

>>725143542
you sound like one of those niggers that think hollow knight is a soulslike

>top 5 metroid games
lol, there are more than 5 metroid games

>>725143668
Metroidvania you double retard.

>>725143885
lol there are more than 5 games where you walk around in random rooms and kill enemies

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games
Zexion
Environmental Station Alpha
Hollow Knight
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Xanthiom Zero
>Favorite 3D metroidvanias
Metroid Prime 2
>Most disliked games
Harmony of Dissonance
>Looking forward to
Xanthiom 2
>Currently playing
I plan on starting Haiku the Robot soon

>>725144145
Do you even know how a top works? You triple underage retard.

>>725109307 (OP)
Super Metroid
Sotn
LTTP
Dark Souls
Dread

>>725110154
Nine Sols might be the most glazed video game I've ever wasted money on. It has sloppy Metroidvania level design mixed with an inferior version of Sekiro because, guess what, your indie studio borrowing Sekiro will necessarily result in a worse version because you don't have the budget nor talent of From

>>725144905
Lurk more bruv. Igarashi wouldn’t have made sotn without LTTP.

im not sure top 5
hollow knight was good, silksong was good but slog to play.

Afterimage was kinda ai-chinese copy of metroidvania game, but nice to play

Blasfemous 1 was good
Blasfemous 2 was boring, almost no bosses

Ender Lilies was mid, but ost is good. controls are nice too
Ender magnolia was better, as a game. ost was mid though and story too.

Casltevanias from nds - eclessia, portrait and dawn of sorrow was top-tier games especially ecclessia

Metroid yes, last one on switch, was very good, i think Metroid Dread. Samus Returns on 3ds was ok too

Death's Gambit was inconsistent buggy mess, controls are nice but this is it. though there was lots of bosses.

Shantae games was shit

Ori 1 was literally jumping platformer, not metroid and not vania
Prince of persia, recent one, was almost as ori 1. there was combats, but mostly it was jumping puzzle platformer, with little of bosses, and some combats

Guacameele 1 top tier game, better than most of this list. maybe 2 too

nine sols okay, but i don't want to replay it. i liked 2 boss battles - fat butterfly cat, and last boss. and literally, one don't need to parry, you just kill mobs.

dead cells
risk of rain 2
skul slayer of heroes
all good games

>>725145183
And no games would be made without tennis for two and pong, but we don't call games ponglikes do we? Stop being retarded, you absolute fucking buffoon.

>>725143667
It’s better at being a Soulslike than a Metroidvania

>>725145451
grok summarize this shit

>>725145543
LTTP is literally just a top down metroidvania how do you not understand this?

>>725109307 (OP)
Whats a good metroidvania that isnt a sotnslopia (like hollow cucknight for example)?
Im fucking tired of sotnslopias

>>725145636
it literally has nothing in common with dark souls except corpse running and being a dark fantasy. soulslike are resource management action games with slow deliberate moves. everything in dark souls beside walking consumes some kind of resource, like stamina, durability, mp, magic uses or items

>>725146027
>it literally has nothing in common with dark souls except the defining feature of dark souls
ok

>>725138804
>Anon is gay and retarded.
I think you'll be killing yourself before I do.

>>725142715
Planets isn't a replacement for the original Metroid, but I appreciate it as an alternate version.

>>725140641
beat me to it

>>725145821
What defines a "sotnslopia" in your opinion? Most of the things I associate with SotN are things I like about the genre, making it hard to recommend anything unless I know more clearly what you're tired of.

>>725146728
I made no claims of bravado, I was merely observing that you are a mentally defective homosexual.

>>725110154
Playing Nine sols ruined my silksong experiences. I enjoyed my time with silksong, but every time I defeated a boss I couldn't help but think back how much better the bosses were in nine sols.

>>725145747
Link can't level up

>>725109307 (OP)
Play Lyle in Cube Sector and Hero Core.

>>725147893
Samus doesn’t level up either. Each just get items that give them new abilities to progress.

>>725148030
metroid is not a metroidvania, the first metroidvania is SotN, hence the vania part

>>725148205
The average IQ of /v/ has hit an all time low holy fucking shit mate

>>725148309
this isn't even the first time I've read that bait on this board, newfag

>>725148374
you fell for my bait oldfag thanks for the (you)

>>725126225
Iconoclasts is NOT a metroidvania. It is a linear story game with optional side-challenge rooms. You can't even revisit areas.

>>725148309
If you don't set limits, then everything with movement upgrades or any way to unlock a path becomes a metroidvania.

>>725129261
SOTN did a lot of things Metroid did not.
>leveling up
>weapon drops
>shops and currency
>DIALOGUE

If it has unskippable 3 second door transition animations, it is metroidvania

>>725148747
>>725149047
Resident Evil 3 is my favorite Metroidvania

>>725137032
Piss Poor Planning and Procrastination.

12 years and yet it was obviously that less then a 3rd of that time was actually spent polishing the engine, let alone hacking the ROM, which takes more time then learning Game Maker or even fucking Construct 2 and doing it there, so of course he was gonna oversight major stuff, and it didnt matter how many times he updates the game, first impressions are everything.

This was a case of, its gonna suck cause its taking too long cause it was more the lead dev could chew.

Mine is Metroid prime 4

>>725129261
Metroidvania sounds cooler than Metroidlike, that's the only reason

>>725149551
Based I’m also hyped for it

>>725149109
the most popular Metroidvania series is Pokemon

>>725135863
Looks good. Think I'll check it out. I'm holding you anons responsible.

>>725149626
Fuck I’m mindblown

>>725136537
The fuck is a search action?

>>725149109
My favorite metroidvania? Final Fantasy IV

What? What do you mean that Final Fantasy IV is not a metroidvania? it has movement upgrades and you use them on a big map, of course it is a metroidvania because there are movement upgrades and a big map and that is all it takes for retards to classify a game as a metroidvania.

Now you know what is NOT a metroidvania, Castlevania Order of Ecclesia? Why because it's maps are divided of course, haha, divided maps = not a metroidvania even if everything else checks put am I right retardbros?

>>725149740
In what ways is OoE a Metroidvania before you get to the castle at the tail end of the game? It's less of a Metroidvania than something like Shantae and the Pirate's Curse

>>725144578
>Xanthiom Zero
Literal pixel shit.

>>725137032
He spent all his time working on the amazing technical aspects and none on testing and making it fun to play. Same as the Mario Adventure guy

>>725149849
I guess Portrait of Ruin is not a metroidvania either because it has several maps, HELL symphony of the night is NOT a metroidvania because the reverse castle is a different map altogether.

How foolish of us to not realize that SotN is not a metroidvania! The only true metroivania is Pokemon games because those are in a single map and have movement upgrades!

The GOAT

>>725146027
Dark Souls without stamina is still Dark Souls.

>>725150178
Gayest of all troons

>>725149740
>divided maps = not a metroidvania
yep, otherwise Super Mario World is a metroidvania

>>725150142
OoE is a series of linear levels that you can revisit. They have an entry and an exit and some of them are literally straight lines.
PoR is not laid out like that at all and neither is SotN. Your strawman argument has failed

a shame that a single sperg dominated this thread by being purposefully obtuse and le slippery slope over his personal definition of a commonly understood term. His roleplaying has totally lost the plot, since he’s talking about shit no one would consider a search action either

>>725109307 (OP)
are there any metroid prime likes where the shootan part isn't just an afterthought?
I want quaketroidvania

>>725150353
>PoR is not laid out like that at all
yes it is. they even put little teleporters at the beginning and end of levels because they're such a linear slog

>>725150178
Good but not as good as the goggles make people say.

>>725150504
I don’t know of any prime likes, full stop

>>725150352
True only titles such as Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga are metroidvanias.
>>725150353
Are you saying that any transition area in any game makes that game not a metroidvania? If so, then minecraft is a metroidvania now but any game with straight corridors is not a metroidvania, sorry super metroid if you had a straight room in your map with no purpose but to move to another area then you are not a metroidvania anymore.

We should start calling them openworld-likes or something.

why the fuck isn't SoTN on PC yet? I know emulation exists and everyone has already played it that way, but a game this beloved NOT having an "official" port on PC feels almost insulting. It would be another way to preserve it and maybe have even more accurate emulation

>>725149935
filtered

>>725151493
i've always assumed the rumored castlevania reboot that konami has been working on since 2020 is a sotn remake, they're probably saving it for that

Silksong is the best one for me, I actually can play it more than once without a 4 year wait between playthroughs, not even HK could do that.
Blasphemous 1 was kinda disappointing, but I really like the aesthetic.
Super Metroid has aged really well, the same with SotN and AoS.
Ori is shit.
I still have yet to finish Nine Sols, the game has some good ideas, but the pacing is destroyed by cutscenes and "le story" moments (Silksong also suffers from this, not as much tho), and I wish there was more platforming.

>>725151493
Yeah, it's fuckin' dumb

>>725151826
It's ugly and not in a good way like ESA.

>>725151986
That would make a lot of sense. But I'm 99.99% sure I don't want it. How could a modern game live up? It needs the corny voice acting, and attempting to do it better will ironically ruin it.

Tribute?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ZqSlrCVcE

Is there any metroidvania where every upgrade matters?
Items/souls/power ups in Castlevania Sotn, AoS, DoS, etc, become obsolete too soon, and in the Metroid games you don't even need half of the health and missile upgrades

>>725153218
The point is options and fun, sure you can use what works the best, but what fun is in that when you could be using the gimmicky ass shit?

>>725153218
There can't be one. Health and damage upgrades will always depend on your skill level, traversal upgrades are useful, but most of the time are extremely lame and combat upgrages either increas your damage directly, again, depends on skill level, or increase your combat options, which is mostly personal preference.

>>725150917
figures. tendies are gameplay luddites

>>725153218
It's pretty impossible to make every upgrade a game-changer. A humble double-jump designed to open the game world up just a little is just not going to hold up to the late game "flight" ability or whatever.

>>725123489
This is literally how Zelda games are designed, more of world opens up as you get items from dungeons to help navigate it.

>>725110154
Tranny furfag shit
Pass

>>725154413
They could technically design it so that the boss has an unavoidable take that does massive damage that you simply can't survive unless you found all the health upgrades. Same with the damage upgrades. They could design the boss so he charges up a 1K0 unless you can do a requisite number of dps to knock him out of it, which in the extreme case, could require you to have found every atk upgrade to barely even make it.

>>725154647
oh no

>>725154710
A cat is fine too. Or wait, is it a birb? Whatever.

>>725154782
does it matter?

>>725154518
Actual schizo nonsense, pleave this mortal coil

>>725129261
Metroidvania as a word exists to tell apart post-SotN Castlevania from the older games. A bunch of indie games copying Metroid & SotN's formula came after

>>725110154
>I will not be elaborating.
I won't bother with it then.

>>725129261
>>725155019
-vania in Metroidvania comes from what SOTN brought to the table

>>725109307 (OP)
having played many really, just started this year, so far:

Afterimage
Bloodstained
9 Years of Shadows
Erza Wheel of Fortune
Silksong
Blasphemous

From this list the only ones I didn’t like were silksong and blasphemous

>>725155189
Metroidvania is what people called the Igarashi-era Castlevanias due to their similarity to Metroid. People started using Igavania after Metroidvania became an entire genre and not just 2 franchises

>>725109307 (OP)
Aight, Not top five top to bottom: enjoyment order:
>HunterX [100%'d]
>Momodora: Reverie under the moonlight [100%'d]
>Touhou Luna Nights [100%'d]
>The Vagrant [100%'d]
>Ender Lilies [100%'d]
>Ender Magnolia [100%'d]
>Infernax [100%'d]

>>725155601
Top: least
Bottom: most

>>725155576
>Metroidvania is what people called the Igarashi-era Castlevanias due to their similarity to Metroid.
No, SOTN was solely responsible for giving birth to this word and it was born inside the community.

Not a single retard ever used word igavania outside of small timeframe when Shitstained was shilled and nobody will ever use it again, because it is a forced meme solely exist to strike an ego of a single hack

>>725155601
The vagrant is not a metroidvania

>>725155683
It's because he can't say castlevania because he got fired from Konami.

Does Astlibra counts as a metroidvania?

>>725155576
> igavania - first mention in 2019, literally when Shitstained announced, 63 usages total and then it literally disappeared as shitty ad campaign died
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/igavania/page/3/

> metroidvania - 4k results out of 6k, fucking HALF of the archive, easliest mention 2023 because archive simply pruned everything earlier due to volume
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/metroidvania/page/120/

KYS FAGGOT

Last time I played I finished SotN and the GBA Castlevanias. Do I skip the DS Castlevanias or give them a shot?

>>725155949
Not really.

>>725156037
The DS vanias are much better than the GBA ones.

Play DoS fist since is the sequel of Aria, then play PoR or OoE in any order.

SotN > PoR > OoE > AoS > DoS > HoD > CotM

Bloodstained has been in my steam library for 5 years and I always skip over it. Is it as bad as people say?

>>725156037
Play Portrait of Ruin. If you want more and something different, play Ecclesia. Skip Dawn of Sorrow.

>>725156246
it is fucking generic ass, literally just a carbon copy + it is also a 3D trash
Dont waste your time, I'm confident you can find better game to play

>>725156037
Yeah. Dawn might not be as good as Aria, but it's still pretty great. Ecclesia is excellent. Portrait sucks

>>725156037
Use the romhack of DoS that drops all the touch screen shit and changes the character portraits to be like AoS. With that it's easily the best of the DS Castlevanias.
PoR and OoE are fine but you can tell they didn't want to make Metroidvanias anymore

>>725156246
Is a solid 7/10, is missing parts, sometimes advancing the game is confusing, the grind is over bloated (I don’t recommend it), but still is an enjoyable game.

>>725154991
you really think that if they made a metroid game with proper fps gameplay like quake or ultrakill, regular series fans wouldn't pall at it?

>>725156246
Ugly and unbalanced as hell, otherwise enjoyable, if not a bit cringe due to some monster designs (giant cats and dogs from backers) and backer portraits.

However, the only way the game can be enjoyed is if you play on hard, and I think hard is locked after a normal run, so get a completed save file and start a new file on hard, don't play on normal it is boring as fuck.

Metroid Prime 2: Torvus bog to Quadraxis is the peak of the genre. The amount of map navigation intertwined into this stretch of the game is sublime, and the boss fights deliver. The sub-level of Torvus is a standout in area design as well.

Schizo cultist babble.

>>725149980
That is such a shame, this game looks good but it sucks

none of the Metroid games are metroidvanias you retards

>>725157927
none of the Castlevania games either

>>725157990
yeah... except SOTN. which is the point

backtracking doesn't warrant a genre, "metroidvania" is not a genre

>>725157990
SotN, HoD, CotM, AoS, DoS, PoR and OoE are all metroidvanias.

What game is this?

>>725156613
That game barely made it to the finish line after 1 delay and you can tell it was a crippled experienced that only Tloonies defended to death, too many damn caves, no skeletons because china, too many recolored enemies and cringe giant cats and dogs, the 2nd to last area was supposed to be a giant casino like area but instead just became a giant recycled garden and the last one is yet another damn cave.

I beat the game and I haven't touch it afterwards.

>>725158160
>"metroidvania" is not a genre

>>725158160
Correct, hence why games with backtracking that existed in dozens before SOTN did not get a genre name

Next.

>>725158286
>I get my opinions and views on reality from Indian AI

>>725109307 (OP)
I just finished super metroid and did a best ending speed run for 100% items. It is simultaneously the most genius designed map in all of metroidvania yet is also the most bullshit with its hidden items. I swear some of them require the Nintendo strategy guide to find.

>>725158209
We've already established OoE and PoR aren't. I'm looking forward ot the day we conclusively disprove the existence of metroidvanias

>>725158286
gemini isn't gpt

>>725158286
>AI jeet

>>725158160
>>725158286
>>725158348
>>725158372
>>725158383
The retard in >>725158160
technically correct - it is not a genre.
Never was.
It always was a [niche] sub-genre:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroidvania

>>725145451
>Death's Gambit
Man, I hadnt thought about this game in a long time, funny, I always associate this game with me spamming nigger hate threads on 4chan.

>>725158348
>>725158372
>>725158383

>>725158543
>>725158670
Neither of your posts have anything to do with gemini not being gpt, so why reply to me? Are you stupid?

>>725158670
>UK
>US
>google
so India, just like they said
damn you jeets are so easy to bait

AI is a (You) goldmine, anyway I'm stopping now.

>>725158831
moron

>>725130804
>Hamas
QRD??

>>725133075
There's a 2nd one?

>>725159423
Yes, and it is horrible, axiom verge was pretty bad, but it had something going for it with the whole weird futuristic shit and what not then the sequel just trashes all the nice stuff it had and replaced it with some dumb fucking retarded shit.

>>725109307 (OP)
>top 5
Gal Guardians: Demon Purge
Blasphemous
Aria Of Sorrow
Nine Sols
Moonscars
>favorite 3d?
fake and gay
>most disliked?
Ori, animal well, Silksong, bloodstained
>looking forward to?
Banging OPs mom
>currently playing?
Chronicles Of The Wolf

>>725158278
Gal Guardians: Servants of the dark

>>725160441
>Gal Guardians: Demon Purge
That is not a metroidvania is a classicvania, the sequel is the metroidvania one, but I think it wasn't well received.

>>725159837
>released as an Epic exclusive
oh no wonder I didn't knew about it lol

>>725110154
this. it's not even a metroidvania but it mogs every metroidvania ever created. nobody, and I mean not a single person who actually played it WITHOUT GETTING FILTERED has a single bad thing to say about it
10/10 must-play masterpiece in every way from story and music to gameplay. bunch of seething filtered shitters itt

>>725160610
Meh close enough for me, and yeah servants of the dark sucked lol

>>725124885
Aquaria is a metroidvania, how retarded are you?

>>725109307 (OP)
>Top 5 games

Rogue Legacy 2
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin

>Favorite 3D metroidvanias

i wish there were more, from the few ive played, i really like Supraland, even if its super janky

>Most disliked games

the worst one i played was A Robot Named Fight

>Looking forward to

Bloodstained: The Scarlet Engagement

>Currently playing

Prince of Persia The Lost Crown, its great, might make it into my top 5 after i finish it

>>725160785
The true ending is worse than the normal ending, and the tunnel section at the last part of the game is fucking stupid artificial difficulty bullshit, in fact most of the shit at the end of the game is ridiculously rushed like the stuff with the merchant or the robot, it feels like they decided to end their quest lines abruptly.

That said, the rest of the game is peak.

>>725162163
>Rogue Legacy 2
> rogue trash
> metroidvania
LOL
LMAO

>>725110391
>>725131496

i wouldnt call Axiom Verge bad, but its super mediocre, Shantae level of mediocre

>>725131745
i dont like the music, the weapons and bosses are just whatever, and the worst quick travel ever made makes backtracking horrible

>>725162262
it had a huge map with areas you unlock via skill unlocks and you can backtrack around it

it also has a great combat system, lots of classes and subclasses, most of them very fun, a great level of difficulty, lots of build variety, i honestly cannot find many flaws in the game, except for the fact getting the true ending is very grindy

>>725162467
> it had a huge map
That "map design" amount to literally nothing.
By definition

I know this isn't what this thread is about strictly speaking, but I've really gotta ask, what's the general consensus on Silksong here? I was on the fence about buying it, since I really liked HK back when I played it however many years ago, but I heard Silksong had an issue with being unenjoyably difficult/tedious in it's back half, so I decided against it.
Did I make the right call?

>>725156613
>if not a bit cringe due to some monster designs (giant cats and dogs from backers)

speak for yourself, i loved the disembodied dog heads, i thought it has a modern reinterpretation of some ancient folklore creature

>>725156246
its literally the best Igavania ever made, whos the braindead moron who calls it bad?

>>725162567
the rooms are hand-crafted the arrangement is random, you cant be this stupid, did you even play the game?

seriously, so many people play these games with randomizer mods and you bitch about this?

>>725162674
The game is fun.
The fandom for Hollowknight got too mainstream, most of them didn't actually played the game. When Silksong came out everyone HAD to play it, because of the meme, but most of them got filtered hard becuase they haven't played any metroidvenias or soulslike.
It is a good game.

>>725144578
>Harmony of Dissonance

Ender lilies and magnolia were good

>>725162882
Yes, but nobody value and rates the game by randomizer mods. Also, in 90% these are for speedtrannies as an addition challenge

>>725162674
it seems very polarizing. personally I hated HK but loved silksong. HK I thought was too easy and the movement was too slow and boring for how massive the map is. didn't get very far in because of this. silksong definitely fixes these aspects and is absolutely amazing strictly from a gameplay perspective, but it truly does get annoying to unlock act 3 and fully complete the game. I honestly would have had a better time if I had simply gave in and looked at a map earlier on; I stubbornly forged ahead without doing this but eventually caved after pissing about for ages trying to find this or that. it certainly seems to lack cohesion in a narrative sense later on, but it remains very fun throughout and there is tons of variety to approach combat or even platforming with.

in the end, I am really having to hold myself back from replaying it and wait for DLC to come out, because I don't want to burn out on this behemoth before everything wraps up.

>>725162674
>really liked HK back when I played it however many years ago
Then you will like Silksong, and should play it. Full stop.
Just read this thread. Look how many people listed it in their lists of 5, even though it only came out this year. It's fucking good. The genuine complaints are mostly from people who didn't know what they were getting into. /v/ has always been full of anti-HK shitposters though, who make the same generic complaints all the time.

>>725156246
It's pretty good actually, but there's like 2+ areas that are severely lacking in polish and you'll probably notice when you reach them.
That said, it does have some things that seem VERY polished so it's kind of an uneven experience.

>>725158278
How do I marry a boss instead of fight it?

>>725130748
>>Top 5 games?
>1. Blasphemous
>2. Grime
>3. Nine sols
>4. Blasphemous 2
>5. Ender Lilies
I like these games too, but none of them are top 5 metroidvanias, and you saying so is fucking embarrassing.

>>725134574
>it has other values
Not for people that aren't total faggots.

>>725129341
>I refuse to play games that look so ugly, sorry.
That game is incredible. You should fucking kill yourself, stat.

Animal Well is the most impressive one that has come out in the past decade.

>>725162226
>like the stuff with the merchant or the robot, it feels like they decided to end their quest lines abruptly.
I actually decided to look up an achievements guide for the game after I beat it for the first time just to see what I missed, and apparently there's more to all that brother stuff with Chiyou, it's just easily missable because it only happens towards the very end of the game after you encounter Eigong in her vital sanctum.
A little cheap to have it tucked away in the corner of the map with no indication that it's available, but it's there.

Is there a metroidvania without backtracking or would that fundamentally be a betrayal of metroidvanias are all about?

>>725164340
Not having any reason to revisit earlier points with new abilities would defeat the purpose a bit, yes.

>>725164340
The entire point of a metroidvania is that you explore it using abilities you unlock. If every new area is stacked at the end of the one you just completed, it's just a linear platform game.

'bout friggin time
Shelved the game for the better part of a week at the very end, those last few bosses sucked.

>>725111249
Bloodborne is nowhere near interconnected enough to be a metroidvania. Really the only one that qualifies out of all Miyazaki stuff is Dark Souls 1

>>725164340
Oh I know this one, you have to find dilator in the abandoned lab location and wear it for while and then come back and ride the dildoe
It opens a passage to new secret area

>>725162674
It's fine. If you like Hollow Knight you'll probably like Silksong. It's definitely got some tedious shit in it but it has enough good stuff to even it out.

>>725164340
It goes against the core mechanics of a metroidvania.

>>725164340
>>725165972
>>725164629
>>725164575
If term "backtracking" really irks you that way, you can replace it with "exploring". Works just fine the same way.

>>725140027
no pretenders to the throne
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/400910/view/3979559705944392485?l=english

>>725166078
Rabi Ribi gave me a toothache. Fun, but should have been even more perverted, imo

>>725166078
>I asked the artist to draw some cute and funny animations for the player character
Uh, based.

>>725109307 (OP)
>Looking forward to?
Well Dweller and Skong DLC

>>725163050
Haven't played Mangolia, but Lilies was mediocre. I ended up dropping it after 7 hours. Downloaded the OST tho.

>>725163776
my hairline is like this

>>725166737
based bald 60yo gaymer

thafuck's going on with the catalog?

>>725167197
What about it? It looks like it has the usual stuff + pokefag spam.

>>725162674
People largely love it

Only casuals got filtered

desu im glad silksong was a wild success and the lost crown flopped
id hate it if devs thought tlc nignog shit was the way forward

>>725162674
I hope they revise the requirements for act 3. Arbitrarily needing to do all of the quests is just a time sink. It's good during your first playthrough, you'll need those quests as breadcrumbs to discover all of the locations and you'll adequately get powered-up for the challenges of Act 3, but if I'm going to replay the game needing to do all of that is just daunting.

This isn't totally thought out, but I think locking Act 3 behind completing Mount Fay is all that should be necessary for the Act 3 quest to be offered to you. That's all you really need to DO Act 3.

>>725109307 (OP)
I really liked this one, never tought i was gonna love it so much

>>725109307 (OP)
Most based MC

>>725162674

Bitching was completely overblown and amplified by the FOMO normalfags that got egochecked by a game that doesn't have iframe slop.
Shards still stuck though but it's mostly been beloved and has cemented itself and Team Cherry as a GOATed dev team.
DLC will push it into moderb classic status just like HK.

>>725169242
I feel like all the journos who were deprived of the ability to play the game early were desperate to get their takes out fast so they settled on "game too hard" and moved on to something else while the rest of the players who may have also beens struggling pushed through and kept playing.

>>725162674
It's better than hollow knight in every way, and I fucking love hollow knight. I'm not even saying this to be an elitist, but if you watch people playing silksong, you quickly realize that any complaints come from people that play like shit and refuse to learn and use the game's mechanics.

>>725169012
It's about sequencing. Act 3 is similar to a timeskip that fucks with some of the Act 2 questlines. They could "solve" this by just making quests you don't finish into missables but that would make people complain as well.

>>725169012
It's meant to be a daunting, for-the-committed-only type of thing, because you get credits after beating Act 2, kind of like an excuse to quit playing at that point if you weren't into it anymore. And if you're still enjoying, the extra requirements are a bonus, not drudgery.
But if you're ever just like "I need to replay Silksong Act 3," you can always just reload the checkpoint the game makes.

>>725162674

Bro /v/ had nonstop threads about Silksong for two months straight

>>725169763
I don't know, I heard some complaints about tedium even from people who were enjoying the game up to a certain point, and even people who actually beat the original HK.
I'll chalk it up to being one of those things where people who really like the original game are gonna really like Silksong, but probably not too many people outside of that.

>>725169851
Does using autosaves bork your save file? Like say if that aas originally a 100% save?

>>725162674
Its not that good
HK was magical
SS is a sequel indeed, and that's it.

>>725169948
Silksong has some of the highest completion rates for a MV

>>725169012
The point is that Hornet is fighting her white woman instinct to dominate lesser beings, if you blast through the game, you get the ending where she becomes queen, but if you take your time to help everyone, her empathy wins over and she tries to save the kingdom. I don't how they could change anything, maybe just add an option to carry over quests to new game plus? Idk if that could cause any complications though.

>>725169934
I also saw nonstop threads about that horse gambling game when it came out, that's not an indication of quality.

>>725109307 (OP)
Super underrated game
This one is pretty good

>>725169975
i would assume so. but it's easy enough to go to the savefile location, make a copy of your 100% save, and just rename it "user2" instead of "user1" and start playing from the second profile.

>>725170087
Uma is still getting threads - there's even one in the catalog right now. No idea why mods don't just ban them since they're generals at this point.

>>725162674
Sillsong is GOTY contender

>>725163534
damn bro you really had to come for his top 5 like that?

>>725170184
lol

>>725170463
>t. E33cuck

>>725170184
Based on the releases this past year, that's not a particularly high bar to cross.

>>725170116
It filters out posers (silksong fans)

>>725169948
The game is way faster than hollow knight, so I find that hard to understand, but it is way longer than it too, in fact, it's probably one of the longest metroidvanias I played, so I guess there's that, I for one had fun all the way.
You should definitely buy it if you liked hollow knight, it's one of the best games you can buy for its price period, even if you eventually get bored for some reason, you'll still get hours of content (and of future content that will be added) for 20 dollars, you can always come back to it also. or just pirate it if you're a poorfag :p

>>725169787
>>725169851
>>725170080
I know, but I want to fight all of the bosses again without having to do 20 hours of chores for the privilege.

Nine Sols should've won goty 2024.

>>725172167
Install the godhome mod

>>725109307 (OP)
>Currently playing?
Symphony. Still finishing up my Halloween playthrough. I'm working my way through the Inverted Castle now.
Outside of the novelty of the first playthrough, it always feels like a chore to have to do the whole map again, especially because by the time you're getting the requirements to unlock it you're already using Bat Form to fly past everything anyway. And in the Inverted Castle, it isn't even optional with how fucked the layout gets. But the game would definitely be too short without a "secret" second half where you get to run riot through the whole castle.
But there's something about the progression system in Symphony that just hacks directly into your dopamine receptors. The second half floods you with health and heart upgrades, not to mention new gear and weapons, so you can watch the numbers go up. There's always been something more viscerally appealing to me about using melee weapons in these games, that Metroid could never quite give me. And getting to pick from a variety of options gives it a personalizing touch.

>>725172664
absolutely. it not even getting NOMINATED for indie goty is the ultimate proof the game awards have a lot of chink sway, even if Wukong didn't win. in reality it was the actual goty not just the indie one. the idea that Astro Bot is a better game than Nine Sols is utterly preposterous.