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Anonymous No.725238098 [Report] >>725238232 >>725238503 >>725239821 >>725240523 >>725241239 >>725241594 >>725242076 >>725243650 >>725246347 >>725246657 >>725247337 >>725249396 >>725257561 >>725258082 >>725259247 >>725260418 >>725260529 >>725261664 >>725261952 >>725262032 >>725263405 >>725265019 >>725268039 >>725270015 >>725271548 >>725271956
>one of the most based and unique medieval weapons of all time
>barely appears in games anymore
What happened?
Anonymous No.725238232 [Report] >>725238338 >>725241519 >>725243692 >>725246597 >>725259163 >>725259954 >>725262642 >>725271507
>>725238098 (OP)
I was so mad that morningstars were dog shit in elden ring. Piece of shit game couldn't even do that one thing right.
Anonymous No.725238235 [Report]
Not as cool as swords, axes, spears, flails, or hammers.
Anonymous No.725238338 [Report] >>725239148 >>725239450 >>725245731 >>725263001 >>725263938 >>725265658 >>725271176
>>725238232
morning stars are not shit in elden ring, you are thinking of flails and flails were dogshit in real life so it matches
fuck YOUUUUUUUUUUU
Anonymous No.725238503 [Report] >>725243980 >>725261578
>>725238098 (OP)
>What happened?
Most games are now made by gay black women, low IQ Indians and feminine men, they don't understand "based" and "unique" and they don't want what we want. They don't have the mind, mentality and perspective to make games that the average guy actually wants to play.
Anonymous No.725239148 [Report] >>725239527 >>725239694
>>725238338
>flails
Now that's a fucking cool ass weapon
Anonymous No.725239450 [Report] >>725240191 >>725241562 >>725244493
>>725238338
Elden Ring morningstar is literally too short to hit some bosses. Your character collides with the enemy but even still the morningstar doesn't reach him.
Anonymous No.725239527 [Report] >>725239694 >>725240362 >>725245731 >>725247589 >>725248998 >>725263339
>>725239148
Too bad flails never existed in medieval times. Nightrider Flail was my main weapon in Elden Ring until the DLC introduced light great swords.
Anonymous No.725239694 [Report]
>>725239148
It's not a flail, it's a mace
>>725239527
yes flails existed. It was a farming tool.
Anonymous No.725239821 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
Sword is the superior weapon until the middle ages when there is plate armor
Anonymous No.725239868 [Report] >>725245731 >>725254712
>Now that's a fucking cool ass weapon
Anonymous No.725239893 [Report] >>725240032 >>725241156 >>725241353 >>725241956 >>725242256 >>725260601 >>725264978
How would you balance a game with these so that maces are not rendered completely obsolete?
>oooh it has stun
>but a morningstar has stun AND piercing
Anonymous No.725240032 [Report] >>725240220 >>725240509 >>725240667 >>725247494 >>725259037 >>725264787
>>725239893
melee weapons should not be balanced. A mace is pretty useless unless you are heavily armored to take hits because it offers you no defense unlike a sword or polearm
Anonymous No.725240191 [Report]
>>725239450
Range is the main reason why I never bother with anything other than Colossals in ER.
So many spastic giant bosses with abhorrent hitboxes.
Anonymous No.725240220 [Report]
>>725240032
>A mace is pretty useless unless you are heavily armored to take hits because it offers you no defense unlike a sword or polearm
Did you win Twisted Metal and wish to be a retard?
Anonymous No.725240362 [Report]
>>725239527
>flails never existed in medieval times

Here's how this just went for me
>hm that's interesting, might make for a nice documentary while I'm eating korean fried chicken
>google it
>skallagrim
He's fat now.

Thanks for reading my blog
Anonymous No.725240432 [Report] >>725240760 >>725268039 >>725276836
For me it's flanges
Anonymous No.725240509 [Report] >>725240729
>>725240032
>eating a mace hit to the head will only kill you if you're wearing a helmet
I can kill you with a nut attached to a string
Anonymous No.725240523 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
these things are OP in Warband
Anonymous No.725240667 [Report] >>725265019
>>725240032
Get fucked swordfags
Anonymous No.725240729 [Report] >>725240782 >>725240901
>>725240509
The mace wielder should be armored is what I meant. You can't parry with mace. It's a short blunt object that is all offense. You gotta have an armor and shield (or full torso protection)
Anonymous No.725240760 [Report] >>725259607
>>725240432
I want a flanged mace but they're pricey for what they are. Realistically you could just weld plate metal to a hollow bar. Rarity I guess? Low demand?
Anonymous No.725240782 [Report] >>725240968
>>725240729
You can definitely parry with a mace, and it will destroy a sword in the process.
Anonymous No.725240901 [Report] >>725241096
>>725240729
Parrying is a meme to begin with. 99% of your protection is either your armour and/or your shield unless you're fencing or some silly shit.
Anonymous No.725240968 [Report] >>725241053 >>725241151 >>725241195 >>725241670 >>725268486
>>725240782
In unarmored combat a sword will win every time its not even a question. Mace has no protection. No hand protection. No reach.
Anonymous No.725241053 [Report] >>725241191 >>725241972
>>725240968
>Mace has no protection
Swords for most of history had no real protection. The crossguard originally just existed to protect the hand from sliding onto the blade.
Anonymous No.725241096 [Report] >>725241339
>>725240901
Parrying is not a meme, swords bind and wind and kill you in ways you don't expect. Cross guards protect your hand.
Anonymous No.725241151 [Report]
>>725240968
Lol just try to parry it kek
Anonymous No.725241156 [Report]
>>725239893
Different damage types, different movesets, different status effects, there's plenty of ways you can differentiate them without just making one have better numbers than the other.
Anonymous No.725241191 [Report] >>725241302 >>725265323
>>725241053
The mace is mostly irrelevant until knights had lots of armor. Then they would carry Turkish maces and such but it still was an accessory to their sword. These armor busting weapons, you mostly are looking at the end of the middle ages.
Anonymous No.725241195 [Report] >>725241315
>>725240968
What is this even supposed to mean exactly? Yes in a one on one engagement where neither side has a shield or any armour the longest weapon will pbly win. Now that we're done with retarded hypotheticals that basically never happened in real life can we get back to the topic at hand? You'll also note that for a significant period of history the most widely used swords were basically just long daggers
Anonymous No.725241239 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
I dunno man. works on my machine.
Anonymous No.725241276 [Report]
who gives a fuck if they aren't practical in real life they look cool as fuck so they should do more damage
Anonymous No.725241302 [Report] >>725241465 >>725264787 >>725265117 >>725268683
>>725241191
>The mace is mostly irrelevant until knights had lots of armor
Maces were popular before the sword even existed.
Anonymous No.725241315 [Report] >>725241531
>>725241195
What swords were long daggers for most of history? Are you talking about antiquity? Because this discussion is about maces in medieval combat.
Anonymous No.725241339 [Report] >>725241436
>>725241096
Literally the only time that shields weren't the dominant form of personal protection was when full plate became a thing. Parrying<blocking with a shield
Anonymous No.725241353 [Report]
>>725239893
>muh balance
Stop this fucking retard tertiary layer shit
Anonymous No.725241436 [Report] >>725241520
>>725241339
If you had a shield you had a sword. Even with plate harness they carried a sword at the hip at the very least.
Anonymous No.725241465 [Report] >>725242146
>>725241302
In fact the mace is just the near third possible weapon humanity invented after the rock and the spear since all you need is to put the rock on the spear.
There's ancient findings of cavemen making crude bone and clay maces by making wacky shapes.
Anonymous No.725241519 [Report]
>>725238232
They're great, I went all the way to hoarah loux using a sacred morning star. Switched to great stars for the final boss.
Anonymous No.725241520 [Report] >>725241759
>>725241436
>If you had a shield you had a sword.
What kind of retarded shit did you just say
Anonymous No.725241531 [Report] >>725241689
>>725241315
>swords beat maces
>not those swords
Medieval warfare was dominated by spears, lances and polearms. Swords were generally a side arm at best. The only major army that used the sword as it's primary weapon was the Romans and they used a small sword and a huge shield. Your idea of some sword using warrior solo dueling people on the battlefield without armour for some reason is a fantasy.
Anonymous No.725241562 [Report]
>>725239450
Horse shit or skill issue. Only the absolute shortest weapons like daggers and fists have trouble hitting bosses and even then it's only a few specific ones.
Anonymous No.725241594 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
the pope banned it.
Anonymous No.725241607 [Report] >>725247067 >>725247383 >>725264787
More games need the goedendag. I love the brutal efficiency of it. They just needed something that could club and stab and did not care any extra frills
Anonymous No.725241670 [Report] >>725241850 >>725261747
>>725240968
Unarmored combat is a meme; the same could be said of a sword and every other melee weapon vs some guy who picked up a polearm 6 months ago
Anonymous No.725241689 [Report] >>725241785 >>725247843
>>725241531
Nope spear meme is a repeated misconception about medieval combat.
Anonymous No.725241759 [Report] >>725241854 >>725241858
>>725241520
People think that swords disappeared in the 1400s but even if you had a poleaxe or big two handed weapon or mace or whatever, you had a short sword at your side. That's how these guys are depicted.
Anonymous No.725241785 [Report] >>725241935
>>725241689
>muh swords
Read the rest of my post you dumb cunt. What do you think the primary weapon of a knight was? I'll give you a hint, it's used when charging on horseback
Anonymous No.725241839 [Report] >>725242812 >>725243460 >>725252452
The halberd is the perfect weapon. It's a spear-axe.
Anonymous No.725241850 [Report] >>725241920 >>725242071
>>725241670
The most popular fighting manuals were focused on unarmored combat, you can think what you want.
Anonymous No.725241854 [Report]
>>725241759
so you had a sword as a side arm, as was said. But that has nothing to do with what I responded to, no, not everyone with a shield had a sword, and the 1400s are when the shield began to go away, retard.
Anonymous No.725241858 [Report]
>>725241759
>if you had a better weapon you also had a side arm
By your logic pistols are the dominant weapon of our time.
Anonymous No.725241920 [Report] >>725242059
>>725241850
>The most popular fighting manuals were focused on unarmored combat
That's because they were about dueling moron. "Muh manuals" are literally the equivalent of guntubers running competition shooting drills. It has near zero overlap or application to warfare.
Anonymous No.725241935 [Report] >>725242028 >>725242142
>>725241785
Well you are full of crap what should I say? Even in full armor, two handed swords were used on the battlefield. Sources shows these guys with swords all over the place.
Anonymous No.725241956 [Report]
>>725239893
Armor breaking it worked in Exanima and Bannerlord. Swords are dogshit against plate while strike based weapons ala maces can rip through armor. With the right amount of padding you can mitigate the damage but still get knocked the fuck out with enough blows.
Anonymous No.725241972 [Report]
>>725241053
It's less about the guard and more about the mechanics of the sword. The sword is weighted closer to the hilt near your hands so you have far more control with sword than mace and you can defend with the entire blade of sword which you can't with a mace, making it a far better defensive weapon
Anonymous No.725242028 [Report] >>725242127
>>725241935
>all over the place
You mean like three guys guarding a nobleman or artillery, while everyone else has pikes.
Anonymous No.725242059 [Report] >>725242102 >>725242143
>>725241920
You think you are going to walk onto the battlefield and just swing the weapon like a baseball bat wildly? No, these soldiers trained since they were young boys. Sure the battle is not a 1v1 or a judicial duel but this is how knights would train, like it or not.
Anonymous No.725242071 [Report] >>725242272
>>725241850
If you were too poor to afford armour you probably weren't using a sword
Anonymous No.725242076 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
it's known that a lot of times this thing would get deflected the user would end hurting himself.
Anonymous No.725242102 [Report]
>>725242059
>You think you are going to walk onto the battlefield and just swing the weapon like a baseball bat wildly?
Yes, I do think that and numerous sources from antiquity straight through to the modern era recount exactly that happening.
Anonymous No.725242127 [Report] >>725242193 >>725242203 >>725242264 >>725242317 >>725243675
>>725242028
You don't know what you are talking about, pike formations did not become big until afte
Anonymous No.725242142 [Report] >>725242463
>>725241935
Jesus you're too stupid for words
Anonymous No.725242143 [Report]
>>725242059
>You think you are going to walk onto the battlefield and just swing the weapon like a baseball bat wildly?
Literally yes. The weedy nobleman fears the goedenchad
Anonymous No.725242146 [Report]
>>725241465
Rock > Spear > Club
The holy trifecta of grug weapon designs
Anonymous No.725242160 [Report] >>725242298 >>725242304 >>725243604 >>725259919 >>725263764 >>725266246
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Anonymous No.725242193 [Report]
>>725242127
until after the middle ages*
Anonymous No.725242203 [Report]
>>725242127
This nigger never heard of the sarissa
Anonymous No.725242256 [Report]
>>725239893
D&D does different things depending on the version:
- Heavier, so more damage but slower
- Wooden vs metal shaft, so more vulnerable to damage (ie. Sunder)
- 1-handed vs 2-handed, so you couldn't dual-wield or use a shield
- Simple vs. Martial weapon, so fewer character classes have the training to use it well, and aren't going to land hits as often.
Anonymous No.725242264 [Report] >>725242356
>>725242127
???
Anonymous No.725242272 [Report] >>725242409
>>725242071
Nope, swords were treasured heirlooms passed on for generations sometimes. You didn't have to be a noble to have one. Another misconception about medieval history.
Anonymous No.725242298 [Report] >>725257342
>>725242160
>Nips buckbreak you during the annexation like the Ainu by taking away any weapons that can be used for dissent
>convert farm tools and develop forms of self defense that don't rely on weapons
Based Ryukuanchads
Anonymous No.725242304 [Report]
>>725242160
That's nice, we can send you to the fields for slavery and you've already brought your own chains. How thoughtful.
Anonymous No.725242317 [Report]
>>725242127
>big until afte
Oh shit I think this guy got merc'd by a Tercio for talking shit about pikes.

Pike formations got big right at the same time as two handed sword became actually relevant.
Anonymous No.725242356 [Report] >>725242463
>>725242264
You know when the Swiss defeated the French? Ask yourself what date that was. Before that Pike formations were rarely used and they also did not look like that. You are showing an early modern formation that is inspired by the Greeks Phalanx which didn't happen until after middle ages.
Anonymous No.725242409 [Report] >>725242493
>>725242272
>I've been drafted into the army
>better grab my grandpa's martini henry
>this proves that I can afford proper weapons and training and equipment
Anonymous No.725242463 [Report] >>725242563
>>725242356
Please see >>725242142
Anonymous No.725242493 [Report] >>725242551 >>725244891 >>725245148 >>725248073
>>725242409
Further demonstrating your lack of understanding. There is no draft in the middle ages and peasants dont really fight. There is no standing army until the army of France during the hundred years war.
Anonymous No.725242551 [Report] >>725242807
>>725242493
>There is no draft in the middle ages and peasants dont really fight.
What? Yes they did. The French literally had systems for allocating them equipment.
Anonymous No.725242563 [Report] >>725242723
>>725242463
not an argument
Anonymous No.725242723 [Report]
>>725242563
I accept your confession
Anonymous No.725242807 [Report]
>>725242551
I don't know what they allocated the men in the army of france, but the army of france was the army that Joan of Arc joined and that was a new concept in the history of warfare. Most of them would be mercenaries and men at arms looking for permanent employment rather than being paid individually by a lord. Peasants don't really fight in battle. The English longbowmen are not even really peasants. The only time I'm aware of peasants ever fighting in battle is during peasant revolts or survival.
Anonymous No.725242812 [Report] >>725242851
>>725241839
correct
Anonymous No.725242851 [Report]
>>725242812
sex with Nabe
Anonymous No.725243157 [Report] >>725245191
I wrote up a large list of middle ages battles containing pike formations and then deleted it when I realized that posting it would just be inviting further conversation with the /v/ middle ages weapon thread phenotype
Anonymous No.725243460 [Report]
>>725241839
I''ll take any polearm honestly. They are all pretty good. Useful on foot. Useful in duels. Useful in formations. Useful on horseback. Plenty of reach. Easy to fix the largest component. Reasonably cheap to make. Good at killing guys out of armor. Good at killing guys in full plate harness.

Maybe not the best at anything, but being "pretty damn good" at most things is hard to pass up.
Anonymous No.725243604 [Report]
>>725242160
infinite style points
Anonymous No.725243650 [Report] >>725243843 >>725246471
>>725238098 (OP)
>In Dark Souls 1 they gave this weapon a combo of one attack animation before resetting to the same attack animation again
What a fucking disgrace.
Anonymous No.725243675 [Report] >>725243890
>>725242127
And so did greatswords and only then only elite contigents used them, like landsknechts and doppelsoldners. A lot of military equipment we see in video games are just random curiousities that early writers placed in due to rule of coolness kinda like the DeLorean in Back to the Future where it's a cool looking car that never actually saw wide spread use irl.
Anonymous No.725243692 [Report]
>>725238232
Morning Star is alright it's just short. A hammer with innate bleed can't be bad, and it has strike damage cause it's a hammer.. Yes, it's surpassed by other hammers, but it's still a hammer AKA the best arming class in the game. HAMMER.
Anonymous No.725243843 [Report]
>>725243650
Comically though the stun inflicted is longer than the windup
If you land a single hit (even blocked) you can dump your entire stamina bar, which no player can survive
Anonymous No.725243890 [Report] >>725244234
>>725243675
That's not true though. People have pushed back too hard on armor effectiveness and sword ineffectiveness to the point where it's the opposite of what was true. Swords were good and why else do they show swords cutting through armor in paintings? Same with the longbows and how historians want to pretend the arrows were not killing.
Anonymous No.725243980 [Report]
>>725238503
Not seeing the problem here.
Anonymous No.725244234 [Report]
>>725243890
I mean great swords like claymores and zweihanders. These weapons only existed in the 16th century onlywards aka not the middle ages but early modern period. You are referring to longswords/bastard swords which in dark souls terms are on the lighter side of sword types. Then again Souls games are a fantasy kitchen sink of weapons.
Anonymous No.725244493 [Report]
>>725239450
Try reforged
It fixes lots of shitboxes
Anonymous No.725244518 [Report]
Everyone in this thread is wrong except for me
Anonymous No.725244891 [Report] >>725246216
>>725242493
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyrd
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arri%C3%A8re-ban
Fuck sakes stop talking
Anonymous No.725245103 [Report]
I like the estoc, literally a giant needle, really stiff for maximum stabbing. The bigger ones were used on horse and also halfsworded.
>fromsoft estoc has cutting attacks
lul
Still triggers me less than the shitty hand grip on all the rapiers
Anonymous No.725245148 [Report] >>725246216 >>725248240
>>725242493
>there is no standing army
>armies were composed of professional soldiers
It's literally one or the other
Anonymous No.725245191 [Report] >>725245387 >>725245991 >>725246246
>>725243157
>/v/ middle ages weapon thread phenotype
I wasn't aware of that pandora box when I made this thread
Anonymous No.725245387 [Report]
>>725245191
Most of /v/ has a really vague notion of what they think the middle ages is. The same type of people who think great helmets existed along side plate armor.
Anonymous No.725245731 [Report] >>725245848 >>725245927 >>725246202 >>725263339
>>725238338
>>725239868
>>725239527
>Too bad flails never existed in medieval times
Except they did and were a cavalry weapon and were an elegant solution for their intended purpose and you successfully baited me into spoonfeeding you.
Anonymous No.725245848 [Report] >>725245927
>>725245731
real elegant for their purpose which was sucking ass and being worthless
Anonymous No.725245927 [Report] >>725246031 >>725246202 >>725246278
>>725245731
The trifecta of dumbfuckery

>flail isn't real
>linothorax isn't real
>swords were exclusively a sidearm
youtube and its consequences have been a disaster for the "erm ackshually" race
>>725245848
this nigger mad plate armor can't compete with flails and wagons
Anonymous No.725245974 [Report]
I'm the only right person in this thread
Anonymous No.725245991 [Report]
>>725245191
It's been like this for 15 years
It's a bit sad because arms and armor are fucking sick but what can you do
Anonymous No.725246031 [Report] >>725246083
>>725245927
linothorax is fucking meme THOUGH
Anonymous No.725246083 [Report] >>725246152
>>725246031
shut up retard
Anonymous No.725246152 [Report] >>725246214
>>725246083
no
Anonymous No.725246202 [Report] >>725257068 >>725263331
>>725245731
>>725245927
Show me evidence that this hollywood invention of a ball and chain with spikes was a real thing used in combat. The flails you're talking about were a make shit peasant weapon used for beating hay and looked more like a two section staff.
The closest to the hollywood flail is probably the chinese meteor hammer but even that thing's existence in the past is suspect and probably just a modern invention like the twin hook swords.
Anonymous No.725246214 [Report] >>725249221
>>725246152
Alexander fucked on the entire world while wearing a linothorax, the only meme is you
Anonymous No.725246216 [Report]
>>725244891
The first article is basically fuedal obligation, or scutage for the anglo-saxons. The second article is what I'm talking about. The French began funding a real professional army during the hundred years war and that artile references what I'm talking about. the Army of France was a return of a real standing army that had not existed for the middle ages by and large.
>>725245148
When a king would go on crusade or long campaigns, it was always a financial nightmare. Generally speaking feudal obligations were only paid with limited service, so for x many days or weeks. So kings had to pay out of pocket or give them cities to sack or country side to raid. The English however raised huge amounts of money by allowing their vassals to pay money instead of military service. The money was then reinvested into paying men such as your longbows that were recruited across the kingdom.
Anonymous No.725246246 [Report]
>>725245191
The only place were you could have decent discussion about medieval arms and armor was on /tg/, but that was years ago
Anonymous No.725246278 [Report] >>725246370
>>725245927
>>linothorax isn't real
what? why are people saying the linothorax isn't real?
Anonymous No.725246347 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
>Long thin spikes
>Obvious getting stuck and breaking off problem
>For other than actual warfare uses the intimidation factor is top tier though
Remember not every weapon was made for the battlefield.
Anonymous No.725246370 [Report]
>>725246278
because the "spandau" retard made a video about it like a decade ago and for some reason pseuds believed him. To this day if you mention linothorax on /k/, you will invariable find some fucking retard who will pop and claim it's a modern term for some armor that never existed.
Anonymous No.725246375 [Report] >>725246484
>one taps u through your 2 ton armor gap
nothing personnel, squire
Anonymous No.725246471 [Report]
>>725243650
I hate hammers in DS2 they have a really weird moveset. I usually use the morning star at the start though because strike damage is good.
Anonymous No.725246484 [Report]
>>725246375
Squires were no longer a thing when the rapier was used.
Anonymous No.725246597 [Report]
>>725238232
It’s a bleed weapon, it’s good
Anonymous No.725246602 [Report] >>725247629
All my real niggers use Gun and Bardiche.
Anonymous No.725246657 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
Its literally just a nail bat. Its a cudgel with spikes on it. Its the crude weapon of the barbarian.

Swords, spears, and axes are all much more sophisticated and nuanced.
Anonymous No.725246825 [Report]
>unga bunga axe & spear havers
gentry is dead
Anonymous No.725247010 [Report] >>725247191 >>725247382 >>725247427 >>725247517 >>725247723 >>725247767 >>725255613 >>725260712 >>725261396 >>725264787 >>725267129
My favorite fake weapon is the double bearded axe. Never knew it wasn't a real thing until I looked more into viking warfare and everyone used small headed danish axes instead and that there was no point to having a second axe blade like the dnd battle axe.
Same thing with warhammers. Actual warhammers are basically just construction hammers with a longer handle with a spike at the opposite end instead of a claw.
Anonymous No.725247067 [Report]
>>725241607
This is based but the billhook is the GOAT peasant weapon
Anonymous No.725247191 [Report] >>725247274 >>725247373 >>725265019
>>725247010
at least, since it's just a slightly goofy looking forestry axe, you can take solace in the fact that someone somewhere has absolutely killed someone else with one before
Anonymous No.725247274 [Report]
>>725247191
sure, but they weren't wearing armor and didn't even really fight back just screamed and cried so ti wasn't the same
Anonymous No.725247337 [Report] >>725247405
>>725238098 (OP)
post em
Anonymous No.725247373 [Report] >>725254146
>>725247191
Modern times is a free for fall. I am sure someone has killed a person before with a dildo.
Anonymous No.725247382 [Report] >>725247885 >>725262202 >>725267129
>>725247010
Actually learning about history is one of the biggest mistakes of my life. Vikings, knights, ninjas, pirates, samurai, cowboys, spartans, you name it. They were all so cool but now i look at them and realize that they were just... people
Anonymous No.725247383 [Report]
>>725241607
>Good day
Based.
Anonymous No.725247405 [Report] >>725247739
>>725247337
Anonymous No.725247427 [Report] >>725247774 >>725248792
>>725247010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEQ41xTUBMI

Speaking of axes what is everyone's favourite cold steel weapon video? These guys are lunatics, it's great. I'm going to buy a sword soon not even a cold steel one
Anonymous No.725247494 [Report]
>>725240032
>it offers you no defens
Do you think weapons just go through maces
Anonymous No.725247517 [Report] >>725247616
>>725247010
I don’t know but my least favorite fake weapon is the handheld pistol sized crossbow that shit is gay as fuck
Anonymous No.725247589 [Report]
>>725239527
>flails never existed in medieval times
nope peasants never threshed grain. you heard it here
Anonymous No.725247616 [Report]
>>725247517
Fakest and gayest indeed. Might as well use a blowdart while you're at it. At least then you can channel pygmy energy.
Anonymous No.725247629 [Report] >>725274182
>>725246602
>bardiche
Very short pole and pretty large blade for one.
Anonymous No.725247649 [Report] >>725260892
grounded has a morningstar. a salty one
Anonymous No.725247693 [Report]
Blunt weapons just aren't as cool as bladed weapons. There's a reason why cavemen are commonly associated with clubs and go unga-bunga. Clubs/maces are a low-IQ weapon.
Anonymous No.725247723 [Report] >>725248015
>>725247010
The traditional fantasy greatsword that’s way too heavy is the GOAT. I don’t even mean meme buster sword levels but even low end fantasy settings have their swords too big and heavy
Anonymous No.725247739 [Report]
>>725247405
Anonymous No.725247767 [Report]
>>725247010
Bec de Corvin are peak polehammer
Sex
Anonymous No.725247774 [Report] >>725248051
>>725247427
I'm pretty sure I could tank that, doesn't seem too dangerous. My morning routine (100 pushups every morning) will have turned my body into steel.
Anonymous No.725247843 [Report] >>725248105 >>725248116
>>725241689
>masses of infantry with long pointy sticks were totally NOT the main bulk of literally every army before gunpowder
Anonymous No.725247885 [Report]
>>725247382
The best or worst part being that ninjas weren't actually assassins or rather had no known confirmed assassinations of known nobles or even daimyo. They were credited of mostly just being informants and spies.
Of course I guess this is no different from portraying CIA or MI6 agents as taking on enemy head quarters on their lonesome while carrying out critical missions.
Anonymous No.725248015 [Report] >>725265019
>>725247723
You're in luck because there was at least one guy attributed to using such swords.
I can't say the same to viking berserkers ever using double bearded axes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia
Anonymous No.725248051 [Report]
>>725247774
Same, I couldn't take it to the clavicle like you but I could parry it with a flanged mace so I'll be fine
Anonymous No.725248073 [Report] >>725248217 >>725248534
>>725242493
>what are levies

this guy has got to be baitposting. he can't be this stupid can he?
Anonymous No.725248105 [Report]
>>725247843
spearmen are only good against cavalry. they ate weak against swordsman and axemen according to rts games which are historically accurate
Anonymous No.725248116 [Report]
>>725247843
Not medieval but
The Romans conquered the world with sword and shield.
>but the pila
Were javelins first and foremost and even the mega poorfag hastati evolved into swordsmen
Anonymous No.725248158 [Report]
>cleaves your soft noggin and brittle slashing stick in two
Patrician tier
Anonymous No.725248217 [Report]
>>725248073
levies are not peasants
Anonymous No.725248240 [Report]
>>725245148
These aren’t mutually exclusive.

armies largely consisted of professional mercenary soldiers
Anonymous No.725248345 [Report] >>725249165
>anon says blatantly incorrect things about historical technology and society: the thread
FUN, considering the ease of finding decently sourced and supported info on these topics.
Anonymous No.725248534 [Report]
>>725248073
Europe wasn’t China bro, battles would happen and casualties would be in the hundreds. Think of the literal definition of decimated opposed to its connotative definition. In western eyes it evokes this feeling of absolute destruction but really it’s
>1/10th casualties
In Chinese history a siege with millions dead is a success

All this to say no in Europe peasants rarely fought, the scale of conflict isn’t that great and someone has to work the fields
Anonymous No.725248792 [Report] >>725249087
>>725247427
I think my favorite Cold Steel vid is the sjambok one; they're not that expensive so sometimes I want to buy one to whip random shit while yelling "SJAMBOK!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2kHzVQaKHI
Anonymous No.725248998 [Report] >>725249446
>>725239527
>Flails weren't real
Retarded parrot take.
Also they're better than katanas in ER but weebs don't want you to know that.
Anonymous No.725249087 [Report]
>>725248792
>you will never stunlock a rattlesnack so dog the bounty hunter can behead it
Anonymous No.725249165 [Report] >>725249867
>>725248345
can you recommend me a book on medieval bullshit? I am getting back into reading I am on moby dick at the moment and a book about the celts

:)
Anonymous No.725249221 [Report] >>725249515 >>725250220
>>725246214
Linomeme is a fucking conjecture from the 80s or something, that somehow got parroted into truth. It is akin to shit like:
>medieval knights needing cranes to mount on their horses
>medieval swords were just unshapened chunk of metals that killed by impact
>It is the blunt trauma that kill you from internal bleeding
>leather armor didnt exist because cows were too expensive to kill
or TTRPG neologism shit like banded mail.

The shit you call linothorax is actually goes by Tube And Yoke cuirass, and it was an almost ubquituous armor pattern used across Europe and the Mediterran up to Imperial Rome times, employing all sorts of technics that were used to make armor at the time. And we have depictions and extant pieces of those.
>What were they made of?
mail, plates, scales, lamellar, leather, a mix of those, you name it.
>Could they have used linen somehow, like as part of the structure and or decoration?
absolutely possible, most likely even.
>Could they have actually used linen or any other textile as the mainprotection component?
absolutely possible.
>so how is linothorax a meme?
because linothorax is, like i said, conjecture from a guy decades ago that postulated those armors were/could be made out of glued linen when the evidence for this is circumstantial.
But somehow, some fucks latched into this dude's idea so hard, that it became de facto the only type of armor that existed in that era in peoples mind, and even books and vidya.
Anonymous No.725249271 [Report] >>725249687 >>725249718 >>725249721 >>725249867 >>725249974
Weren't swords universally favored as a sidearm over maces or warhammers even during the late medieval period where people were wearing full plate armor
Anonymous No.725249396 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
Because these weapons suck. They're hard to manufacture, get stuck easily in armor and flesh, the spikes get broken off easily, and they're hard to repair.
Anonymous No.725249446 [Report] >>725249867
>>725248998
They weren't. Think about it. Why the fuck would you ruin the perfect mace design where you have control of the kinetic energy transfer of the mace head by attaching that shit to a chain?
Anonymous No.725249515 [Report]
>>725249221
100% wrong, it's called the linothorax because it is armor made of linen. It's called the linothorax because that is what the Greeks called it. It is not some meme made up in the 80s, it is present in literally every period source from the Greeks and Romans.

I know you can't even read English let alone Greek, but here you go retard.
Anonymous No.725249687 [Report]
>>725249271
Swords were favored sidearms for the pansy nobles and knights, the people that did the least of the fighting, if any at all.
Anonymous No.725249718 [Report] >>725250382
>>725249271
Maces were easier to swing in tight formations, good for sieges. Swords were better everywhere else.
Anonymous No.725249721 [Report] >>725249852 >>725250434
>>725249271
Swords are a close quarters melee weapon and plate armor is heavy and cumbersome. Plate armor is good for mounted calvary troops armed with long weapons like lances. Ground troops are better suited for light leather or chainmail armor and polearms I would think.
Anonymous No.725249852 [Report] >>725250281
>>725249721
You might find this interesting. Also it's apparently the son of varg, a renowned autist in his own right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P-WyWs_duE
Anonymous No.725249867 [Report] >>725250035
>>725249165
No. I'd binge some scholagladiatoria history videos. He usually brings up his sources.

>>725249446
The term 'flail' primarily refers to two handed threshing implements, retardkun. However, because farmers were never drafted into service, they were clearly never used in combat.

>>725249271
I think that's the general consensus. 1 handed maces and warhammers seem to have been specialist weapons.
Anonymous No.725249974 [Report]
>>725249271
Yes, the only limiting factor was the material cost. Once you reach the late middle ages in europe you had so many second hand blades circulating that it wasnt expensive to get some 100 years old blade and re hilt it to current tastes.
Anonymous No.725250035 [Report]
>>725249867
Exactly my point. The same way that 'scythes' weren't a real thing in combat either outside of persian chariots and 'warscythes' which are basically just glaives but everyone here is referring to the hollywood invention which is a morgenstern with a chain.
Anonymous No.725250220 [Report]
>>725249221
>But somehow, some fucks latched into this dude's idea so hard, that it became de facto the only type of armor that existed in that era
It is latched on to because it was definitively the armor used by Alexander and his armies. Making it the most relevant armor of the era. This does not mean one guys idea about its construction is correct, but it 100% was armor made of linen, and is the armor Alexander and his soldiers are depicted as wearing.

I don't know why morons who have never read a single thing from the period insist on talking about it. Everyone who has an opinion on the linothorax seems to be informed entirely by fucking youtube and 4chan. It's so goddamn retarded.

>lack of evidence
Because it's made of fucking linen, same problem as "muh leather armor" which definitively existed, and yet some of the only finds of it we have are from burials in permafrost and pyramids because obviously it deteriorates over time. If it didn't literally every single shovel full of dirt in Europe would be nothing but thousands of years worth of leather shoes.

Linothorax is not a made up modern term. It is the Greek term for armor made of linen.
Anonymous No.725250281 [Report] >>725250745
>>725249852
This is why chain was ditched for plate. Plate is lighter and the weights distributed on more points than just your shoulders. Games tend to have completely ass backwards armor weights. Boiled leather is heavier than chain and chain is heavier than plate. If you ever had to try and get a boiled leather saddle on a hornse you fucking know it.
Anonymous No.725250382 [Report]
>>725249718
And from horseback, until the invention of the curved sword.
Anonymous No.725250434 [Report] >>725256882
>>725249721
Plate isn't so heavy that you'd choose mail over it if you knew you'd be in melee. I'd rather carry some extra shit than die.
Anonymous No.725250745 [Report] >>725253778
>>725250281
How do you feel about the brigandine
Anonymous No.725252452 [Report]
>>725241839
too bad it wasn't invented until after the musket so there is no kino period of all-halberd warefare killing the filthy kn*ghts everywhere they show up
Anonymous No.725253778 [Report] >>725255203
>>725250745
Never wore it or tested it so I don't know.
Anonymous No.725254146 [Report]
>>725247373
>I am sure someone has killed a person before with a dildo.
That was a plot device for Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels desu. Bungeye Harry the Hatchet did exactly that. https://youtu.be/0LFZRKe5hPI
Anonymous No.725254712 [Report]
>>725239868
Implying a flail is used like a fork.
Anonymous No.725255203 [Report]
>>725253778
Well anyway thanks for your insights
Anonymous No.725255613 [Report] >>725263792
>>725247010
They weren't viking weapons but double bitted axes were real
Anonymous No.725256370 [Report] >>725256397
What do you call a weapon that's half stick/half metal?
Anonymous No.725256397 [Report]
>>725256370
metal spear solid
Anonymous No.725256745 [Report] >>725263769
More games need the transitional swords between medieval and renaissance
Anonymous No.725256882 [Report] >>725256976
>>725250434
It's heavy enough to encumber you. During the Battle of Crécy during in 100 years war, the French lost miserably even though they were better equipped. The muddy ground forced the French knights to dismount. This made them easy pickings for the lightly armored English troops because the knights could barely move while wearing heavy plate armor, much less swing their swords.
Anonymous No.725256976 [Report] >>725257012 >>725257125
>>725256882
...That's literally not what happened.
Anonymous No.725257012 [Report] >>725257032
>>725256976
>...
Faggot
Anonymous No.725257032 [Report]
>>725257012
Faggot...
Anonymous No.725257068 [Report]
>>725246202
I'm pretty sure they did exist as some kind of attempt to go over shield walls. It would be stupid to make every soldier fight with a flair, as they are not reliable. but I can totally see its use in a situation where both groups are clashing shields. Not every weapon has to be made for general purpose. In fact, a lot of them were for single use. Don't forget in several time periods, armies made spears just to throw them at the enemy.
Anonymous No.725257125 [Report] >>725257328
>>725256976
That was what happened, and it's one of the main reasons why full body armor was phased out.
Anonymous No.725257328 [Report]
>>725257125
No, that didn't happen, considering they were defeated by English knights who were just as heavily armored.

>have your crossbowmen defeated and routed by the enemy
>decide to make a charge without fire superiority or support while under constant barrage by the English longbowmen
>uphill
>through trenches
>in the mud
>reach the dismounted English knights and get bodied because they're dug in on the high ground
>one of the main reasons why full body armor was phased out.
Crecy took place in 1346. Full plate armor didn't even exist yet. You are utterly and completely wrong, armor would only become more advanced and offer more coverage in the coming two centuries.
Anonymous No.725257342 [Report]
>>725242298
>convert farm tools and develop forms of self defense that don't rely on weapons
many such cases
Anonymous No.725257561 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
>medieval weaponry thread
>turns into HEMA spergposting every time
Like clockwork.
Anonymous No.725257909 [Report] >>725258007 >>725258885 >>725262767
>want a game with longbow/warbow/whatever you want to call it
>bannerlord
>get sick of it almost immediately
>atilla total war modded
>4k resolution looks like absolute shit
What else is there? I suppose I could do a longbow playthrough of kingdome come?
Anonymous No.725258007 [Report] >>725258241
>>725257909
Skyrim
Anonymous No.725258082 [Report] >>725258120
>>725238098 (OP)
and when it does appear it's complete shite
WHY
Anonymous No.725258120 [Report]
>>725258082
it's pretty good in every souls game
strike damage and bleed goes a long way
Anonymous No.725258241 [Report]
>>725258007
Anonymous No.725258885 [Report] >>725259050 >>725259081
>>725257909
This just makes me want a game where you play as a proper English Longbowman ala Sniper Elite, and you basically go through the forests trying to ambush French pigdogs. But with proper mechanics (e.g. stringing the bow) and it really allows you to 'feel' the drawforce
Anonymous No.725259037 [Report]
>>725240032
One whack from a mace is enough to snap your bones. Wtf are you talking about maces being useless.
Anonymous No.725259050 [Report] >>725265692
>>725258885
>it really allows you to 'feel' the drawforce
Tell me more. How would you make the player feel this force? Bannerlord already has that thing where if you hold a bow for too long your arms begin to shake and you lose accuracy, heavier poundage bows are slower to draw and often cannot be used from horseback. How would you iterate upon that?
Anonymous No.725259081 [Report] >>725259565 >>725260361 >>725265746
>>725258885
>This just makes me want a game where you play as a proper English Longbowman ala Sniper Elite, and you basically go through the forests trying to ambush French pigdogs
Longbow reverence is so weird. Like, the longbow was relevant in one (1) singular war, that the English lost to disastrous effect. It won two battles in a war they lost.

And slaughtering the French? The English king was a Frenchman fighting for the throne of France. He didn't even speak English.
Anonymous No.725259163 [Report]
>>725238232
I beat the whole game with the morning star.
GIT GUD
Anonymous No.725259247 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
One of the most broken weapons in Chiv 2.
Anonymous No.725259509 [Report]
>*grabs your dumb fucking stick by its long ass handle*
how do you respond
Anonymous No.725259565 [Report] >>725259891
>>725259081
>that the English lost to disastrous effect
I'm no history buff but considering the normans started out as some sort of vassal to the french king, isn't establishing themselves as sovereigns over england the good ending for the war either way? I understood that the french got upset because the normans technically should've handed control of all of britain to the french king.

I haven't bothered with medieval history that much, I just like watching things get turned into pincushions
Anonymous No.725259607 [Report]
>>725240760
Craftsmanship plus low demand.
Anonymous No.725259891 [Report] >>725260292
>>725259565
>isn't establishing themselves as sovereigns over england the good ending for the war either way?
No, because that is not what the war was about. It was the English (Norman) king pressing his claim on the French throne. The English (Normans) invaded France in the hundred years war. The throne of England wasn't in question.
>I understood that the french got upset because the normans technically should've handed control of all of britain to the french king.
Not really how it worked back then.
Anonymous No.725259919 [Report]
>>725242160
i remember Warframe got me curious about this weapon. I youtubed a video a master sparring with this scythe. it was underwhelming as fuck
Anonymous No.725259954 [Report]
>>725238232
Morningstar is LITERALLY the second best mace in the game and one of the top tier weapons in the game, retardo
Anonymous No.725260292 [Report]
>>725259891
Who struck the first blow of the war? Can you recommend a good book? I need a non fiction to read after my book about the celts
Anonymous No.725260361 [Report] >>725266293
>>725259081
English used the longbows against the French and Scottish over centuries in many different wars. They also used them on mercenary campaigns such as in the Italian wars. They used the longbow in the Wars of the Roses, like the Hundred Years War, it was multiple wars. The longbow was still used even in the Virginia colony. It's a legendary weapon and made the country viable in war against it's neighbors. Throughout most the English eras they only fielded like 1500 knights and men-at-arms. The rest were archers.
Anonymous No.725260418 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
They exist in bunch of games but they're never meta or optimal because muh katanas or other zweihanders or other popular weapons have to be more powerful.
Anonymous No.725260529 [Report] >>725261367
>>725238098 (OP)
Uncivilized weapon for glorified thugs. Swords take skill to use and creating one is an act of artistry. A mace/morningstar is just taping a rock to the end of a stick and swinging it like a club, it's barbaric
Anonymous No.725260601 [Report]
>>725239893
In theory they should be good in KCD2, but the devs love their swordwank so they're always the best choice even against heavily armored enemies.
Anonymous No.725260712 [Report]
>>725247010
D&D did irreperable damage to medieval weapon and armor discussion.
Anonymous No.725260892 [Report]
>>725247649
Why is this Oblivions' only fun game in 20 years?
Anonymous No.725260956 [Report] >>725261024 >>725261149 >>725263945
>Game gives me a "longsword"
>It's actually an arming sword
Anonymous No.725261024 [Report]
>>725260956
>game gives me a "greatsword"
>it's actually a longsword
Anonymous No.725261149 [Report]
>>725260956
>Game gives me a Schiavona
>It's actually a spear
>Actually it's actually a halberd
??????????????????????????
Anonymous No.725261367 [Report]
>>725260529
berry picker moment
Anonymous No.725261396 [Report] >>725261575 >>725261994 >>725265838
>>725247010
Apparently people who design those fake fantasy weapons somehow do not have a school education and do not know about basic physics laws. An axe doesn't need to be huge to be dangerous, it needs to have an optimal mass to maximize the blow's kinetic energy, and for weapon it happens to be not that much mass.
People of old weren't retarded to make things like these, they used weapons constantly and obviously improved them based on their experience.
Anonymous No.725261575 [Report]
>>725261396
Are you really surprised a bunch of DnD nerds have never swung an axe before?
Anonymous No.725261578 [Report] >>725261885 >>725262063 >>725268214
>>725238503
If you think India couldn't into crazy weaponry then stop saying anything in any weapon thread.
Anonymous No.725261664 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
Swords are cooler
Anonymous No.725261747 [Report] >>725261872
>>725241670
I followed this whore for almost a year and she still hasn't shown her tits or posted a link.
Anonymous No.725261872 [Report]
>>725261747
I've been following her since she played fighting games. It's been about a decade, I don't think it's happening
Anonymous No.725261885 [Report] >>725262063 >>725262178
>>725261578
Indian weapons are pretty cool
Anonymous No.725261952 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
mace hits were the most satisfying part of KCD
Anonymous No.725261994 [Report]
>>725261396
It doesn't matter as those fantasy weapons are just used for display purposes only and not meant to be used as actual weapons.
Anonymous No.725262032 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
as it always is with this gay universe, the most practical shit very rarely looks cool, so in fiction the most impractical things are remembered, like swords or fucking katanas
Anonymous No.725262063 [Report] >>725262178
>>725261578
>>725261885
This is bait so that we start mocking indians for their upper body strength and skill at losing wars to literally everyone, right?
Anonymous No.725262178 [Report] >>725262432 >>725262638
>>725261885
The coolest. In terms of practicality I've got to go with Italian stuff but the Indians threw absolutely everything at the wall in the most fascinating ways.

>>725262063
No you're just a retarded faggot with nothing of substance to say.
Anonymous No.725262202 [Report]
>>725247382
Cowboys haven't been given enough of the fantasy treatment, they can still be cooler
Anonymous No.725262324 [Report]
Flails did exist and not just the farm tool. They were even rather common in eastern Europe.

https://www.mdpi.com/2409-9252/4/1/9
Anonymous No.725262384 [Report]
For me it's the three section staff
>Usable as double-sided nunchuks
>Usable as a segmented blunt whip
>Usable as dual batons with a rod in the middle to catch the opponent
>In fantastical or engineered designs that can lock together, can even just be a staff
Anonymous No.725262432 [Report] >>725262471
>>725262178
yeah definite jeet bait
Anonymous No.725262471 [Report] >>725262610
>>725262432
OK, glad you got that out of your system.
Anonymous No.725262610 [Report] >>725262767
>>725262471
There is no need to be so upset
Anonymous No.725262638 [Report] >>725263151
>>725262178
Italian weaponsmiths were famed for a reason, but indian stuff, especially during the mughal empire's age was pretty great and visually gorgeous as well
Anonymous No.725262642 [Report] >>725268142 >>725268208
>>725238232
Great Stars was awesome in ER.
Anonymous No.725262767 [Report]
>>725257909
You can get pretty ridiculous with bows in the Souls games although each game has its own idiosyncrasies which can be really stupid at times and you generally need to keep a dagger in your pocket, which isn't unrealistic.

>>725262610
So why are you?
Anonymous No.725263001 [Report]
>>725238338
>flails were dogshit in real life
The followers of Jan Hus say hi!
Anonymous No.725263151 [Report] >>725263295 >>725263363
>>725262638
All true, but my favorite thing about India is that so many people were apparently determined to be the first guy to kill another guy in some ridiculous way. Granted that's human history in general but India has so many extant examples of crazy shit.
Anonymous No.725263295 [Report] >>725263936
>>725263151
Yeah, they definitely had a taste for the extravagant, even just aesthetics wise there's some real crazy shit out there.
Can't help but love it since it's so unique, glad to see there's some fellow sicko out there who's into this shit.
Anonymous No.725263331 [Report] >>725263935 >>725266181 >>725266249
>>725246202
Illustration from Bellifortis
Anonymous No.725263339 [Report] >>725263776
>>725239527
>>725245731
I was so hyped for flails in Elden Ring but the fucking clinging noise they make got really really annoying so I dropped them (ended up maining bloody Helice).
Seriously does it bother anyone else?

Nightrider's Flail was just obnoxious with the tripple cling-klanging.
I didn't even play with them long enough to find out that they're shit.
Anonymous No.725263363 [Report] >>725263846 >>725264069
>>725263151
As much as I hate Indians they do make some cool, but useless, weapons. My favorite is that dumb whip sword. Anyone who has ever stripped the plastic of one of those snap wristbands knows it will kill the wielder before anything else.
Anonymous No.725263405 [Report] >>725263936
>>725238098 (OP)
Pic related. For me though, it's poleaxes.
Anonymous No.725263764 [Report]
>>725242160
Isn't this the one "flail like weapon" that's actually fucking good and effective IRL? I recall something about how you could just swing the chain on a sword or spear and it would easily wrap around it allowing for a quick disarm.
Anonymous No.725263769 [Report]
>>725256745
Side swords are one of my favorite types of swords. You get a simple but pleasing early complex hilt and a normal arming sword blade. From what I've seen of them, broadsword hilts are a bit more restrictive in how you can hold them, though I'm quite fond of rapiers as well.
Anonymous No.725263776 [Report] >>725264101 >>725265658
>>725263339
Flails aren't shit, it's just a PvPer meme, all but one of them are bleed weapons that can be infused with bloodflame blade for ridiculous bleed buildup AND strike damage.
Anonymous No.725263792 [Report]
>>725255613
They existed but they weren't used as weapons, but as religious symbols of ceremony.
Anonymous No.725263846 [Report]
>>725263363
>it will kill the wielder before anything else.
skill issue
Anonymous No.725263935 [Report]
>>725263331
>Rabbit punches himself
Most skilled knightly flailman
Anonymous No.725263936 [Report]
>>725263295
>Knife on a stick
>Elephant as a lug
>Serpent as a hook
Love it.


>>725263405
I haven't seen anyone bring up Thunderbolt Fantasy in quite a while. It reminds me that I've been meaning to watch Yoshihiko and the Demon King's Castle again.
Anonymous No.725263938 [Report]
>>725238338
>you are thinking of flails and flails were dogshit in real life so it matches
nightrider flail was a fucking S+ tier weapon
It had bleed to power through any enemy that resisted its blunt damage type and its blunt damage type let it power through anything resistant to bleed/pierce/slashing damage
it also had an insanely overpowered horseback multi-strike heavy attack that delivered absurd amounts of damage, stagger, and bleed build up
Anonymous No.725263945 [Report]
>>725260956
As far as I know, that's just early tabletop terminology that stuck (maybe older than that), and in the defense of those early designers, they didn't have the Internet to study sword types and modern terminologies to an autistic degree. And I'm pretty sure some older sources are quite boldly wrong too, though I can't cite anything off the top of my head.
Anonymous No.725264069 [Report]
>>725263363
Just separate modern Indians with historical Indians. Easy.
Anonymous No.725264101 [Report] >>725264440
>>725263776
>Just a pvper meme
I'm pretty sure Morning Star, unga stars and star fist outclass every single flail by a large margin.

Also the majority of flails are just gimmicky int weapons.
Anonymous No.725264440 [Report] >>725265458 >>725265658
>>725264101
>I'm pretty sure Morning Star
No
>unga stars
On a STR build, sure, but mostly because of the innate HP regen
>star fist
The best DPS weapon in the game outclasses something? No way
>Also the majority of flails are just gimmicky int weapons.
No, there's literally ONE INT flail, which is also pretty good due to its weapon art.
Again, on something like DEX/STR+FTH on Keen/Heavy infusions flails are VERY powerful, mostly because again, with blooflame blade you can just spin to win anything weak to bleed, and since they're also strike weapons you get to bust golem kneecaps easily even if they can't bleed, nevermind shit like crystalians that gets completely hardcountered by design.
Anonymous No.725264642 [Report] >>725264746 >>725264916 >>725265083 >>725265202 >>725265906
I've never seen a hero use a rapier
Anonymous No.725264746 [Report]
>>725264642
Anonymous No.725264787 [Report] >>725264965
>>725240032
One handed maces were used with shields to make up for being bad for blocking. Two handed maces were mounted on long poles to block and parry with.
Melee weapons should be balanced in video games so you could have different builds between the speedster, the slow heavy one, stealth build, defensive, offensive, anti armor, anti unarmored, safe, high risk-reward, etc instead of just one playstyle and a bunch of obsolete weapons.

>>725241302
Maces can be made from bronze, copper and stone and still be deadly and effective. Swords need iron or prefferably steel to be any useful.
Big advantage of maces if you are an unga bunga grug with no or very limited access to iron.

>>725241607
Mount and Blade Warband. You could use it in one hand with a shield or two handed like a huge club for higher damage.

>>725247010
The double bladed axe is real, but it is a tool, not a weapon. Two blades means it takes twice as long until it needs sharpening again so less time spent walking back and fourth to the grindstone. While they were used as weapons too, they were improvised weapons like Pitchforks.
My favourite bullshit weapon is the ultra great hammer that is as big as you are and probably ten times heavier to crush an opponent ten times your size with. Sadly, this weapon is obviously useless.
Indians had heavy great hammers called Gada, but those were mostly ceremonial or showmanship weapons rather than serious melee weapons.
Anonymous No.725264916 [Report]
>>725264642
e33 girl uses one
I haven't played it but it's a pretty sexy sword
Anonymous No.725264965 [Report] >>725265330
>>725264787
>Swords need iron or prefferably steel to be any useful
Wrong. There are plenty of bronze age swords widely used in battle.
Anonymous No.725264978 [Report] >>725265565
>>725239893
it's heavier and more expensive, thus higher tier. same thing with halberds vs spears.
Anonymous No.725265019 [Report] >>725265552
>>725238098 (OP)
>>725240667
>>725247191
>>725248015
Still weaker than the chainsaw.
The chainsaw wins as the most powerful close combat weapon again.
I wonder why kniggers, samumutts and caveman brainlets didn't just use chainsaws. Must have been fucking stupid.
Luckily I am smarter and have my Stihl chainsaw with a lot of gasoline tanks ready for the apocolypse.
Anonymous No.725265083 [Report]
>>725264642
Anonymous No.725265117 [Report]
>>725241302
this. the archetypal hero in my country's fairytales carried a mace, not a sword.
Anonymous No.725265202 [Report]
>>725264642
Anon, Zorro alone might have shitty games but he has games nonetheless, nevermind various RPG heroes who come with rapiers as their base kit
Anonymous No.725265323 [Report] >>725266605
>>725241191
>The mace is mostly irrelevant until knights had lots of armor.
That's a common misconception. Blunt force is useless against plate unless you strike the head. Maces were pretty good against flexible armor, like chainmail, though.
https://youtu.be/qtZsNRPvxUo
Anonymous No.725265330 [Report] >>725265557
>>725264965
not the best example, a khopesh is really at least as much an axe as it is a sword, they developed by sticking an axe blade shape they were already making onto a handle instead of a haft, instead of a taking a knife and making it longer as they got better at metallurgy
there were plenty of unambiguously swordy bronze ages swords though, that guy was still wrong
Anonymous No.725265458 [Report] >>725265620 >>725265658
>>725264440
>One INT Flail
Astel Flail and then Family Heads. Yes Family heads has better dex than int scaling, but the WA scales with int exclusively making it pointless to use outside of an int build.

Then you have basic bitch flail, rare drop str flail and then basic bitch flail but better.
Oh and the fai flail form the DLC nobody cared about that doesn't even have bleed.
Anonymous No.725265552 [Report]
>>725265019
This is good bait, because the one thing that faggot Max Brooks was right about is how terrible chainsaws are as a weapon.
Anonymous No.725265557 [Report]
>>725265330
A large amount of bronze age swords were actually arsenic bronze swords which were fairly better than most people would believe and certain better than the more ubiquitous copper shit or even just standard bronze.
But the best bronze age build was dual shields and it's not even close
Anonymous No.725265565 [Report]
>>725264978
this is the answer.
one weapon objectively better than another, similar one? make it more expensive/gotten later into the game/require higher skills to use.
Anonymous No.725265620 [Report]
>>725265458
>Oh and the fai flail form the DLC nobody cared about that doesn't even have bleed.
The Boom Hammer at Home™ is actually fairly good, but STR/FTH is such an overloaded archetype it doesn't really shine as it could, that charged R2 deals a fuckton of poise damage with the weapon art buff though.
Anonymous No.725265658 [Report] >>725265761 >>725265763
>>725265458
>>725264440
>>725263776
>>725238338
>Le flails scale with DEX not strength!!!
Elden Ring flails are a meme. A big meme.
Anonymous No.725265692 [Report]
>>725259050
I don't know anon, I'm just a retarded consumer. I was thinking along the lines of those points you mention, plus fatigue after so many drawing so many times, stamina, etc. I guess it would depend on the game systems and whether its like a 1-man reconnaisance thing or you're actually part of an army (or both)
Anonymous No.725265728 [Report]
They're just not good for combat slop
On top of looking weird you can't have 2 guys parrying each other with one of those and you can't have the main character spin around and slash 3 dudes with one swing like you can with swords and axes.
Anonymous No.725265746 [Report]
>>725259081
>why do people like this thing that could shoot a 30cm long arrow clean through people and armour and was completely human-powered.
Fucking gee anon, I wonder why.
Anonymous No.725265761 [Report] >>725265943
>>725265658
Well yeah what other way would you have dex scaling strike weapon, bo staffs?
Anonymous No.725265763 [Report] >>725265915
>>725265658
More than half of the flails scale with dex, only chainlink is an actual pure STR flail
Anonymous No.725265838 [Report]
>>725261396
People who designed real medieval weapons did not have school education and did not know basic physics laws either.
Anonymous No.725265906 [Report]
>>725264642
Raphael erasure
Anonymous No.725265915 [Report] >>725266064
>>725265763
It's also the ugliest. Nobody likes those "bar" style flails even if they're more accurate than the ball and chain facsimile
Anonymous No.725265943 [Report]
>>725265761
>Well yeah what other way would you have dex scaling strike weapon, bo staffs?
Not at all, duh.
Bludgeoning weapons are strength exclusive and maybe faith. You need POWERFUL MUSCLES!!! and a chisled physique to be worthy of wielding those mighty and destructive weapons. An DEXcel won't be capable of wielding such a powerful weapon effectively because even the bo staff needs a decent amount of MIGHT adnd POWER to wield or it will just bounce off and do no damage.
You see, hammers and strike weapons aren't just weapons that any incel or neerdowell can simply pick up and be good with like swords and spears. True warriors only damage type, babyyy!
Anonymous No.725266064 [Report]
>>725265915
I don't dislike the rugged looks. it has its place, and it has more range than the other flails with is good because flails DO have the sweet spot mechanic that was removed from other weapons like halberds, and chainlink has that particular advantage over the rest even if it's largely nominal.
Still, for STR/FTH it's the best flail there is and uninfused is somehow really good when buffed for bleed and coupled with the two handed talisman.
Anonymous No.725266181 [Report] >>725266249 >>725266270
>>725263331
Ermmm anti flail bros our response??
Anonymous No.725266246 [Report] >>725266357
>>725242160
Literally just a grappling hook for naval combat. It pulled the boats together so they could board each other (with swords).
Anonymous No.725266249 [Report]
>>725263331
>>725266181
He would still have done more damage if he used a chainsaw from his horse.
Anonymous No.725266270 [Report]
>>725266181
The guy is literally bonking his own head
Anonymous No.725266293 [Report]
>>725260361
>relevant
Anonymous No.725266357 [Report] >>725266427
>>725266246
Dumb indian. The weapon pictured here is called Kusarigama. It's a japanese farmer weapon. You would use the chain to wrap around ordiarm an attacker from a distance, then close the gap and attack with the sickle. Or you could just bash in their heads with the weight.
Anonymous No.725266376 [Report] >>725266591 >>725266909
For me, it's the humble sabre
Anonymous No.725266427 [Report]
>>725266357
another totally real weapon and not made up at all
Anonymous No.725266556 [Report]
The sword is a psyop made up by history revisionists.
In reality, the sword did not exist until 1950 and all medieval, ancient and prehistoric warriors used spears, polearms, axes, bludgeons and other such weapons.
Anonymous No.725266591 [Report]
>>725266376
If I had to use swords it would be either that or a schiavona, there's hardly anything more aesthetic than these outside of maybe the Jian and the Dao.
The Schiavona is the queen of straight swords.
Anonymous No.725266605 [Report] >>725266905
>>725265323
from horseback this is a different story, which is what most of those fancy maces and hammers are.

you can simply reach out with the mace on full gallop and dome someone real hard without even swinging, plus you have the height advantage from up top.
Anonymous No.725266905 [Report] >>725266970 >>725267471
>>725266605
Definitely, it's easier to hit an infantryman's head with enough force that way. Dequitem just released a video about that:
https://youtu.be/FwWOoHZGrnI

Also enemy noblemen were more useful alive than dead, since they could be exchanged for ransom, hence the need for bonking implements.
Anonymous No.725266909 [Report] >>725267193 >>725268093
>>725266376
>only affordable by upper class or nobles
>humble
Anonymous No.725266970 [Report] >>725267016 >>725267118
>>725266905
>Also enemy noblemen were more useful alive than dead, since they could be exchanged for ransom, hence the need for bonking implements.
You've been playing too much Mount and Blade.
Anonymous No.725267016 [Report] >>725267052
>>725266970
>You've been playing too much Mount and Blade.
That I have, but it was a thing.
Anonymous No.725267052 [Report] >>725267206
>>725267016
Yes but if you're seriously implying that getting hit in the head with a hammer is any less lethal that getting run through with a sword, you're wrong.
Anonymous No.725267118 [Report]
>>725266970
>Capture noble idiot
>Hold noble idiot in tower
>Other noble idiot pays you 100000 kilograms of pure gold to free noble idiot from tower again
>Now you are rich and our enemy is poor
>Use the ransom money to make big army
>Enemy cannot make big army anymore because he paid all money to free noble idiot
>Win war
Anonymous No.725267129 [Report] >>725267261 >>725267278 >>725271450 >>725278664 >>725279093
>>725247010
>>725247382
Something died in me when I found out that pole axes only have hatchet sized blades.
Anonymous No.725267193 [Report] >>725267687
>>725266909
well duh? what, did you want to arm peasants or something?
Anonymous No.725267206 [Report]
>>725267052
Not when you have a proper hardened steel full bascinet with padding, like a noble would. The sword will do nothing, the hammer will concuss.
Anonymous No.725267261 [Report]
>>725267129
Take the chainsaw pill!
Anonymous No.725267278 [Report]
>>725267129
Have a couple of bardiches
Anonymous No.725267416 [Report] >>725267573 >>725267865
The way people talked about plate you'd think they were walking tanks. Oh to go back to the days where one man was a threat to a whole gang
Anonymous No.725267471 [Report] >>725267678
>>725266905
It's easy because he's hitting an unmoving dummy, and there's nothing else around.
Anonymous No.725267573 [Report] >>725267746
>>725267416
>you'd think they were walking tanks
They kinda are. Stab someone with a knife and he is dead. Stab a fully armored knight with a knife and it will glance off and maybe, just maybe, make a small cosmetic dent.

>Oh to go back to the days where one man was a threat to a whole gang
Plate armor didn't work well against blunt force so a swarm of peasants with sticks coulds till whittle you down over time like a horde of zombies.
Anonymous No.725267678 [Report]
>>725267471
Sure, that kind of duel would only happen on a jousting tournament.

In a real battle you'd have the heavy cavalry flank the enemy infantry block with lances, and after getting stuck in, when the infantry starts routing, they'd switch to horsemen picks or maces and start bonking.
Anonymous No.725267687 [Report]
>>725267193
if it's a nob it get one in the gob
Anonymous No.725267746 [Report] >>725267873
>>725267573
Yeah but if you're a guy in armor with a sword and you're facing 4 guys wearing rags and holding clubs I'd still bet on you
Anonymous No.725267865 [Report] >>725268261
>>725267416
> you'd think they were walking tanks
Last Dequitem (he's the best of the LARPers!) video I'll be posting:
https://youtu.be/BVLJ4NUQz6I
Anonymous No.725267873 [Report]
>>725267746
>Yeah but if you're a guy in armor with a sword and you're facing 4 guys wearing rags and holding clubs I'd still bet on you
That's 100% true.
I was talking more 20 or more peasants.
Anonymous No.725268039 [Report] >>725268496
>>725238098 (OP)
fuck riot games for replacing my boy's weapon with this dogshit >>725240432
Anonymous No.725268093 [Report] >>725268221 >>725277941
>>725266909
Shit was pretty cheap by then actually thanks to the industrial revolution and all
Anonymous No.725268142 [Report]
>>725262642
I was gonna say that weapon was super good.
Anonymous No.725268208 [Report]
>>725262642
The size of that lad.
Anonymous No.725268214 [Report] >>725280508
>>725261578
Modern day Indians are far, FAR from those Indians, you have to live under a rock to believe otherwise.
Anonymous No.725268221 [Report] >>725268359
>>725268093
You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Anonymous No.725268261 [Report]
>>725267865
This is cool as fuck. Thanks for posting this, anon.
Anonymous No.725268359 [Report] >>725277941
>>725268221
They had factories churning out those things by then anon I don't know what to tell you. It's not like it was the middle ages anymore.
Anonymous No.725268486 [Report]
>>725240968
>unarmored combat
But that isn't relevant. A mace isn't an every day civilian carry weapon.
Anonymous No.725268496 [Report]
>>725268039
>Maceniggers canibalizing each other.
Another common victory for us chainsawchads!
Anonymous No.725268683 [Report] >>725269139
>>725241302
This definitely wasn't a mace, but it looks like something that would get putting a fantasy game for a legendary mace.
Anonymous No.725269139 [Report]
>>725268683
Ceremonial object or showmanship weapon.
Anonymous No.725269902 [Report]
How do you feel about the concept of a great flail, or a ball and chain?
>but le no practic-
Neither are weapons pretty much designed to get stuck in shit
Videogames
Anonymous No.725270015 [Report] >>725270057
>>725238098 (OP)
They're just not as cool as swords. Sorry bro, it's just the rule of cool and maces just don't bring it. They're technical weapons instead of those haphazard killamajigs.
Anonymous No.725270057 [Report] >>725270186
>>725270015
Swords are the basic bitch weapon.
Maces are the cool weapons for the big muscle guys and armor knights.
Anonymous No.725270186 [Report] >>725271856
>>725270057
Swords are the weapon of nobles and officers. Maces are technical weapons used to overcome the lack of 6 other peasants pulling that knight off his horse and prison shanking him with steak knives. That means swords have symbolism behind them. Important men have swords and swords made men important.
Anonymous No.725271176 [Report]
>>725238338
Lel
A 2h flail is devastating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYD1sCJO5sM
Anonymous No.725271450 [Report]
>>725267129
>Rare Hermannpost
Damn, someone else had seen that show and is still alive.
Anonymous No.725271507 [Report]
>>725238232
Great Mace was where the fun was, that thing was a beast
Anonymous No.725271548 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
reddit weapon
Anonymous No.725271856 [Report] >>725271902 >>725271936
>>725270186
Meanwhile, Kings usually had ornamented ceremonial maces as a symbol of power.
Anonymous No.725271902 [Report] >>725271972
>>725271856
>ceremonial
Guess who is staying home.
Anonymous No.725271936 [Report] >>725275430
>>725271856
Sceptres aren't maces.
Anonymous No.725271956 [Report]
>>725238098 (OP)
Play Infernax
Anonymous No.725271972 [Report] >>725272105
>>725271902
>ceremonial
Just like the swords you mentioned.
And functinal maces also existed. But those are "muh technical weapons".
Anonymous No.725272105 [Report]
>>725271972
They are technical. You really don't need the effort to use a mace on anything softer than a helmet. They effectively have no symbolism besides overwhelming power. You also have to consider you don't use them the same as you do a sword, period. I understand you are a fan of a lump of wrought iron on the end of a stick but face the facts. It's not a weapon seen outside of ceremony or nobles vs nobles as they awkwardly bash each other to death in their toaster suits.
Anonymous No.725274182 [Report]
>>725247629
thats what she said
Anonymous No.725275430 [Report] >>725275550 >>725276129
>>725271936
Oi, lad!, watch that filthy mouth of yours!
Anonymous No.725275550 [Report]
>>725275430
>this is what your taxes go to
Anonymous No.725276129 [Report] >>725276257
>>725275430
UK really thought "what if we just keep the lame parts of a monarchy" and went with it
Anonymous No.725276257 [Report]
>>725276129
Seems to work better than having all your royal shit stolen by niggers like in France at least
Anonymous No.725276836 [Report] >>725279785
>>725240432
They look so much more brutal in real life than in games. You can just tell how much it would suck to get hit with that.
Anonymous No.725277941 [Report]
>>725268093
>>725268359
That's a 17th century Polish saber, way too early for industrialization.
Anonymous No.725278554 [Report]
For me, its the ji
Anonymous No.725278664 [Report]
>>725267129
Sauce?
Anonymous No.725279093 [Report]
>>725267129
Small just makes shit look more lethal. Can't stand oversized pool noodles.
Anonymous No.725279785 [Report]
>>725276836
You can briefly see one being used in a reenactment LARP video and yeah, it becomes very easy to imagine how much it would suck if a strong knight jacked up on adrenaline hit you with that, regardless of where he hit.
Anonymous No.725280508 [Report] >>725282203
>>725268214
>Modern day Indians are far, FAR from those Indians
I'm aware. That's why I'm not posting stuff like their rebar nonsense from their current conflict with China.
Anonymous No.725282203 [Report] >>725284307
>>725280508
But these were (purportedly) used by the Chinese, not Indians.
Anonymous No.725284307 [Report]
>>725282203
The Chinese may have cobbled together something similar at the time but those were Indian. Now India's rocking these spiked dildos while the Chinese are fielding riot shields and big dumb kung fu weapons. I'm really hoping that shit kicks off, it'll make for some very entertaining news.