Thread 725352449

Give me your shittiest vidya take. I can handle it.

I don't like Japanese games. Their writing and strange cultural norms clash too much with Western ways that I'm used to.

>>725352449 (OP)
Warframe is honestly a pretty shit game.

>>725352449 (OP)
I'd rather spend $1000 on my favorite chinese gacha game than buy $1000 in steam games

>>725352449 (OP)
all minecraft mods are dogshit and miss the point of the game

>>725352671
racist piece of shit

open world games are the best thing ever

>>725352671
yeah the dialogue is pretty much always incredibly cringy, most of the time you can see its written by bugmen who never talk to other people ever

>>725352840
>id rather throw my money into a blender than use it

/v/ is more fun than videogames.

>>725352449 (OP)
Gaming is alive and well you are jaded oldfags now

>>725352449 (OP)
I do not like "player expression/freedom" and would rather games just railroad me into incredibly difficult scenarios where I can only use the most efficient tools possible to win.

>>725352449 (OP)
All fromsoftware games (and soulslike games) should have counter icons

cutscenes and story in a game are completely disposable and unneeded.

>>725352449 (OP)
tetris is a better game than most of the shit invented ever since

>>725352671
This is why I blacklisted anime tag on Steam.

>>725353018
Hey Carmack, that was true over 25 years ago, not so much now.

Skyrim is actually a stellar and well designed game that everyone misunderstood thjer reason your character gets so strong so quickly is because thje dragonborn is supposed to be unbeatable and a true legend and those who want a real challenge should shut up play on legendary and stop whining

>>725352978
You sound like my friend then. He also absolutely hates when the player has too much freedom with their choices and would just rather have a railroaded experience, because he's indecisive as fuck. Though he also would hate getting thrown into an extremely difficult situations and would look for ways to cheese them.

>>725352449 (OP)
dark souls 2 is a bad game.

I want a no mandatory parry mode to exist. I can beat most action games on normal difficulty, but I suck at parrying and if a boss has forced party mechanics it's alot of stress to get through it.

gamepads are holding gaming back, its not the best choice for ANY game

>>725352449 (OP)
Elden Ring is a great game. A masterpiece. You're just losers who are angry because someone made a good game, for once, and you're stupidly, violently lashing out, saying "it ain't so! it can't be so! I DON'T WANNA!"

Past 2.0 patch Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game. It's very fun, there are too many to count weapons, skills, and stuff, the quests are borderline Deus Ex, and it's just a bit empty after you put 80 hours to clear the world. That's one of the only valid criticism of the game in this state: please, give us more.

I was so much happier when the average game was reasonably difficult and only had about 10-ish hours of content.

Now every game wants to be the new Ninja Gaiden and 40+ hours long is a selling point. (before you ask, yes, I do mainly emulate now)

FFX-2 is a masterpiece and better than FFX

>>725352671
Vidya writing is overall shit

>>725352449 (OP)
A game being easier is more fun than a game being harder. Because at least if i got bored with it i dont have to put in the effort to beat it and it can go in a conpleted folder so i dont have to go back to it rather than it sit uncompleted becauae its too much work to slog through a boring and hard game

>>725352671
Not enough trannies and black overweight woman my dude :(

all games should be first person view now. third person view is a relic from the 1980s and needs to end, its uneccessary

>>725352449 (OP)
You can't own gacha, it's as good as air; therefore, it can't take over.

>>725353251
i think the problem with games is less that they are 40 hours and more they are 40 hours with the content of a 10 hour game spread out over that 40

>>725353371
i love first person view but this is just wrong there are many games that wouldnt work from a first person perspective

>>725353018
Cutscenes yes, story no.

>>725352449 (OP)
I've got several
>video games don't need story
>game prices should've rose with inflation
>video games aren't art
>localization is good
>vidya barcades like Dave and Buster's are the best way to keep dead franchises alive and relevant
and last but not least
>the most pure, dense gaming experiences are currently throwaway mobile apps and web games

>>725352449 (OP)
There are "woke" games, which is a minority, and there are games which /pol/chuds want to be "woke" very badly

>>725352918
Most dialogue in games is written by people who clearly don't talk to other people it's not unique to Japshit

>>725352671
Asia hasn't ever produced a good video game.

Games should have a lot more furry women.

all the Dragon Age games are good

>>725352449 (OP)
i really like crafting and survival elements in open world games
those are the only games i play
if a game is not open world i don't play it
if the open world game has no survival elements i don't play it
if the open world game has no crafting i don't play it

simple as

>>725352449 (OP)
tranime games are good

>>725352671
>>725353550
Wrong thread retards this is the dogshit opinions one.

>>725353018
Agreed. Interactive movies should be not mixed with real games (eg. Foxhole).

>>725353550
>there as never been a good mario game
really?

>>725353514
It's just the desinfo working. A lot of woke troons on Discord are making threads about how "Mario 64" is woke, just to ridiculize the idea. If you believe people are overreacting because Mario 64 is not woke, then that just means the brainwashing is working.

>>725352449 (OP)
Every single Baldur's Gate game sucks ass and it's because 1+2 have really shitty gameplay, handling, pathing, while 3 exchanges halfway decent gameplay for worse writing and uglier aesthetics. They all fucking suck ass. icewind Dale too, all of those fucking isoemtric games. Fuck, both Pathfinder games, add them in there too. They all fucking suck ass, they'd be better as VNs than obtuse RNG luck simulators and black box damage formulas.

>>725352449 (OP)
>Opinion
I can't, because everything I believe in is an indisputable fact.

>>725352449 (OP)
Westerners have never made a single decent action game. GoW as a series sucks ass even before it got woke.

>>725352449 (OP)
I'm too old to grind.
95% of boss fights are shit.
All PvPers are massive faggots.
Games need to make people think more.

>>725353251
Uhh why is ninja gaiden your example of a long game?? The entire series is linear mission based pure action gameplay save for the first one which isn't really that long either

Killing arcades was a bad move. It took away an established third place for nerdy young men (goes as far back as pinball and whiffle boards in 1931) to interact, make friends, and engage in healthy competition.

The fighting game scene just isn't the same playing silently against a stranger 500 miles away.
There's no tickets to redeem prizes, no more of the distinct cacophony of a busy arcade.
https://youtu.be/CxQ2mdmu3R4?si=g-XQDrLK7jpWYADq&t=101
An era is gone and it left nothing behind but an empty slot in the mall.

>>725352449 (OP)
Every game must have full controller support. I don't care how complex your game is, if it doesn't fully support controller controls, I won't play it, simple as. Keyboard and mouse are for work only.

>>725352449 (OP)
Games made by asians are weird and not in a good way

Anyone who plays mmos, mobas, session shooters etc is a fag who kills video game industry

Videogames are fucking dead since early 2010s because it was the time where people started getting "video game developer" educations thus making all of the games the same

Alien Isolation is incredibly overrated, slow, consolish and cinematic in all the wrong ways.

Devs should never ever listen to their player base or even testers

I get more enjoyment out of the storytelling of a good porn/WEG game than I do 99% of normal real games. Generally it's a more comforting experience too.

>>725353018
Hey Carmack, that was true over 25 years ago and even more so nowadays. Everyone else should just go back to watching movies and reading books which never tried in the first place.

>>725353794
I meant difficulty-wise. They want to be throw-your-controller hard and long as fuck. I don't want either one let alone the double whammy of hate playing a $60 game for 50 hours. Just let me enjoy a fucking game, if I want to get effed in the A, I'll put it on hard mode or force myself to beat your game with one life or something.

>>725353829
those spaces have disappeared for alot of groups. i have no idea where the youth go to loiter these days

Anyone that has ever bought a lootbox or a microtransaction needs to meet the guillotine neck first.
Costumes (and cheat codes, like those "level up" or "#coins DLC") used to be something that devs gave away for your love of the game. Complete a hard challenge, get this badass thing.

But this seemingly is now a shit opinion, since every retard eats it like they were indians in a cow dung buffet.

Everyone who ever wanted to normalize videogames as a hobby needs to be beaten with a stick.

>>725353194
I honestly think M/KB gets a really bad rap for action games both because of controller players insisting a gamepad is inherently superior and you need to use one and because the devs don't really playtest or implement controls for it very well so you usually need to at least rebind things to something sensible. And those behaviors just feed into each other. Nioh 2 is a great example where the default controls are an awkward clusterfuck and they had to release multiple updates fixing bugs with it but now with a little bit of thought into the keybinds it plays perfectly well. I remember a dude even pointing out how keyboard gets to do things automatically that controller players need to work around and learn extra tech for and people just told him to play on controller. It reminds me of fighting games where people acted the same way about keyboards and now it's seen as superior with tons of pros using an equivalent and people even crying that it's cheating.

nintenslop is just inherently always fun.

>>725353990
This is such a retarded take in the modern era, there is an overwhelmingly majority easy games over intentionally difficult ones. They are advertised and known and sold and appealed to be as such, why would you even bother with those games? Do you have no sense of awareness when you purchase a piece of media? Have you ever heard of genres?

>>725352449 (OP)
the 3D Zelda games are the most overrated, overhyped 7/10 games of all time and it's not even remotely close

>>725353990
I mean there are different philosophies there. To me ninja gaiden means short and replayable hard games, it's over quickly and I can replay it if I want more, much like trying to 1cc arcade games. I also really don't know any 40+ hour games that are actually hard other than souls clones, so you should really just be blaming fromsoft more than anything.

>>725352671
>Their writing and strange cultural norms
I just don't like the gameplay, they make games feel like chores.

Saving/Continues of ANY kind is bad. If you can't finish the game in one go, are you really a gaymer?

>>725354013
Another one is that if you like Dark Souls, your intelligence is questionable, at best.

>>725353917
>pic related
She is correct. The only disagreement is that I don't blame anyone but myself.

The Wii is a retro console because it doesn't have a HDMI port and outputs at 480p max.

>>725354184
Sorry about your arcade investments

>>725354076
>hey nerd you still play with those toys
>i'm not going to touch your manbaby dick
>computer freaks and the devivous things they get up to in their basements, more at 11

>>725354084
>fighting games where people acted the same way about keyboards
There was a pretty long era where you couldn't press two or three keys at the same time on a PC keyboard, and that makes it real fucking hard to do fighting game moves.

>>725353570
furry women are what kill videogames

>>725352449 (OP)
All older FF games aged horrible compared to games like Lufia 2, Dragon Quest 3 or 5, Phantasy Star IV, etc.

>>725354084
I agree that controllers aren't what they should be and m+KB does have a lot of versatility. Though the comfort level can't really be beaten by comparison and I hope people can find some kind of happy medium. I personally can't stand having my arms atop something for so long, and its so much more inconvenient to recline and relax on m+KB. In addition, binary controls are really not as reflexive and nuanced as analog control, I can't substantiate it but there is something lost in translation where I feel more restricted without the 1:1 feeling of analog. It's why I think the novelty of keyboards with analog sticks are great, I just hope it gets iterated on a little more for more laid back approaches. Yea you sometimes tend to work around things with controller but I never felt the need to be at maximum optimization control for any action game even in their hardest difficulty. It becomes an easy flow and that comfort overtakes any optimization any day for me.

>>725354184
Not to this extreme (infinite continues are fine) but I dislike how getting rid of lives, game overs and runbacks have been called clunky and their removal from modern game design considered a change for the better. Now levels and boss fights have become extremely hard because they expect you to bang your head against them instantly like they're fucking super meat boy levels.

>>725354249
The Wii is a gamecube with some small improvements. Not shitting on you, just telling you the straight fact. Nintendo managed to repackage the gamecube into a new console, call it Wii, and sold millions.

Emulators for the Gamecube also works on the Wii, because it's the same thing.

with the right tunning and map design the breath of the wild engine could be used to make not only a good a link to the past remake but the best one possible its the closests 3d engine to the original design of that game

>>725354108
>why would you even bother with those games?
I don't and I hate them. I was trying to clarify my original point to the other anon that I didn't think Ninja Gaiden was super-long.

/v/ has some of the most fun people to play games with

>>725353194
It's pretty much only racing games that require analog inputs, and even then there are ways around it, see Trackmania.

>>725354084
Controllers are just comfier. Also people aren't using LITERAL keyboards in fightan... I would argue they are very similar but not enough that I'd blanket call a hitbox a keyboard
Basic bitch playstation controllers are also still the majority of EVO winners if I remember correctly

>>725352449 (OP)
DS2 may not be a good darksouls like but it is a good demonsouls like, maybe even a kingsfieldslike.

>>725353534
thats more than 50usd in todays money

>>725354351
Agree except ff5

>>725352449 (OP)
I think video games always improve from women with big boobs, because big boobs are fun to look at and the whole point of video games is fun.

>>725352851
You could say the same thing about Minecraft itself.

Games with female protagonists are fine

>>725353194
At the end of the day it's impossible to convince controllerfags that camera control is FAR more important than being able to move at exact angles, and that you can move accurately with KB+M by just moving the camera anyway

>>725354184
Saving games is overrated too. We need to bring back the 24-digit alphanumeric codes that you input with a control pad.

Story/writing in RPGs is more important than gameplay.
>Inb4 read da book
Fuck off and choke on Adderall, ADHD zoomies

>>725354413
Okay, rereading it then its pretty fair all things considered. I think the culture of hate-consuming media is retarded and people should just pursue the content they enjoy. This pressure fomo shit that makes every Dev/creator incentivized to design for anyone and everyone is a self perpetual cycle of slop and it starts from people having 0 self control over their purchasing. Good on you anon for sticking to what you like, niches should flourish.

>>725354632
This isn't a shitty vidya take, literally everyone who likes RPGs thinks this.
That's why we call combat "good enough for an RPG"

>>725352449 (OP)
No one would care about AI being used in development if AIndia evangelists werent using it like an unreal store asset dump and a crutch at literally every fucking step imaginable, gloating how their subpar even for AI standards shit rapes everything actually well made.
A little bit of basic fucking brain function used in reviewing/refining assets, not using shit cookie cutter models and occasionally thinking "Do i really need AI for this or would it be easier to put effort here?" would help speed up menial parts of game dev tremendously, and i bet there are already some cases where it was used in moderation as an assist instead of a crutch and masked well enough that no one even thought it was used since it was never disclosed, leading to survivorship bias about how shit AI output is.
I am not talking about the bubble here, this is a completely different bowl of shit and i hope it pops soon

>>725354496
I have to disagree. Even FFV aged horrible.

>>725353917
Does this woman really want to talk about the natural balance of things?

>>725354615
what game be this?

>>725354632
Not a shitty take. Who is playing RPGs purely for gameplay and why aren't they just playing a dungeon crawler instead???

>>725353194
Truke. Gaypads are the reason we have ugly "tiled" iphony UIs, why games don't aim for precision in controls and instead are trying to automate and "magnify" the player's character and it's absolutely bizzare to hear how gaypads are "superior" when devs have to come up with a cancerous retardation like contextual actions and hold button (or even multiple) to perform a simple action. Gaypads are objectively holding back gamedesin and limit developers in a bad way.

And here's an actual non hypothethical example of gamepads making a specific game worse - Deep Rock Galactic. The game has several active perks (abilities essentially) that can only be activated by holding a button dedicated to other actions due to limitations that come with a crossplay. Some of these perks are supposed to be OH FUCK solutions (hoverboots for example) but since you're required to HOLD to activate them the crucial moment can be easily lost and as a result these perks lose competition to other already mechanically better perks and become completely obsolete.
The only way to work around it is mods which is another argument for pc and m&kb.

any borderlands after 1 is too gay and cringe to be enjoyable no matter the gameplay. also parabolic loot scaling is dogshit.

>>725354679
Battle of Olympus for NES

I don't understand people who think choices in vidya have to affect the ending or they don't count
They're wrong in both directions: IMO choices are meaningful just for having made them because they help define your character. But even from a choices & consequences viewpoint, affecting the ending is the most retarded way to do it because it's a barely existant consequence at the end. If you want your choice to "matter", it should affect other quests during the game

>>725352671
Almost everything that someone like you would say about Japanese games applies to western games too

>Bro I played a Japanese game and the dialogue was cringey
>Bro I played a Japanese game and they had so much weird cultural shit
Meanwhile the most marketed games in the world are all the same sardonic Marvel-inspired drivel and every western game is a god damn fucking shooter. Is there even a relevant western franchise that isn't a shooter of some kind these days? All of them are first or third person shooters. And don't even get me started on the social politics horseshit that your countries are forcing worldwide thanks to ESG.

The only notable thing a non-asian studio released this year that isn't a fucking shooter is Expedition 33. And that game mind broke you faggots by having Paper Mario mechanics because you don't know gameplay mechanics don't involve guns and sports balls.

>>725354684
forgot to add
>but sticks make it easier and smoother to control then mouse or wasd
First of all there are games that utilize scroll wheel or a mouse as a whole for smooth controls like walking speed in Chaos Theory and driving in first Borderlands.
And secondly I've seen keyboards with a gamepad stick in them.

>>725354806
I simply don't like games that are too anime. My favorite example: Ys games - amazing games. Trails games - anime bullshit that insists upon itself

>>725353194
Controllers are objectively better for movement, by a significant margin, than WASD unless your game focuses on specific directional inputs. If camera control isn't a major factor in the game and movement is, you should play on controller. I'll be the first to admit that mouse+keyboard is superior for shooters but if you think controllers are purely bad you're as retarded as any hardcore consolefag.

>>725354778
Gayspatch thread is lower in the catalogue, faggot.

>>725354806
Football Manager
Silksong.
Evropa Vniversalis V

The entire world should have been frozen in time around 2007, before the launch of the iPhone.

>>725354853
Naw I don't play Telltale games anymore because they lie to you about CHARACTER WILL REMEMBER THIS

>>725354676
I don't really see how, like I don't think its perfect by any means but the way the systems interact with each other is unmatched. I wish it was improved upon in any sense.

>>725354632
>>725354681
I'm retarded enough to not really want any story in any game, even RPGs. It always feels like disposable afterthought because of the nature of gamedev. You can't easily tweak story beats without remaking a shitton of assets. Plus I find myself vastly preferring older RPGs that keep story short and cutscenes to a minimum, the appeal of these games for me is less about mastery like in arcade games and more about versatility in options. Finding new viable ways to rape the mechanics is a unique quirk of RPGs and I hate how its fallen by the wayside for immersion it never needed. I don't think proper "story" can ever be meaningfully integrated into RPGs without a full on effort to respond to every and any option a player makes, and at that point you would have a much better time doing that with ttrpgs since you get a social experience out of it instead of a fake replacement of the same thing.

Japanese games are weird, cringy and I don't like them. But I want them to stay this way instead of becoming indistinguishable from american and european which you often can't even tell apart. Capcom seemingly is going this way of westernizing their games.
I like that jap games are different and have different approach to gamedesign potentially inspiring something that I may like due to their uniqueness.

>>725354976
>I don't really see how
I think anon would have to define what he considers "aging". Because the games are 100% perfectly playable without any jankiness

>>725352449 (OP)
I unironically think that the romance with pick related is not only very good, but one of the best one I've ever seen in a WRPG.

>>725354732
i have played for 3 seconds and its clearly made in the Zelda 2 engine so either nintendo licensed it from them or too them

>>725354319
>and that makes it real fucking hard to do fighting game moves.
It'd also make it real hard to play shooters or all sorts of other games or even type which is why sections like WASD had their own matrix.
>>725354365
I'm not saying controller is worse myself and you're right that you don't need to optimize that much for single player action games. I just think M/KB is unfairly maligned and it's particularly annoying as someone who enjoys using it more because it encourages developers to not give it proper support when people act like it's inherently unusable.
>>725354468
Keyboard is close enough and lots of people who don't plan on playing offline do use it. The only real difference is that things like wavedashing in Tekken and half circles are more comfortable to do but I could still do them fine on keyboard. Just mashing buttons is also more fun on a hitbox. It's very much a luxury upgrade if you're only playing on your computer.
>Basic bitch playstation controllers are also still the majority of EVO winners if I remember correctly
I'm not giving my opinion on what's superior but saying how it's seen now.

>>725352449 (OP)
CoD4:MW was what killed FPS for the next 20 years

>>725355045
>Owlkek
Yikes

i hate to see what western entertainment has become and i hope it goes back to normal soon

Everyone would be happier if they got out of their comfort zones and tried games from genres they don't think they enjoy. Even Johnny Average who only buys Call of Duty and Madden may find he enjoys a 4X game or some random VN series. Everyone is too stuck in their ruts, and that's why you get people saying video games aren't 'fun anymore.' there's plenty of fun to be had, but you first need to be willing to take a risk

>>725355009
I was under the impression he thought the systems kinda sucked (every non multi-job ff was painfully mundane and atb is pretty ass as well) and the stories while enjoyable at first aren't really worth revisiting considering that they are all simple in the end. I like the set pieces and all but they came off as excuses to get from place to place. That's why I pointed out 5 for having more worth beyond that and 3 is just a worse version of 5 IMO. I can't think of anything "aging poorly" any other way except maybe he's one of those people who just hate turn based games or overly care about story idk

>>725355175
Yup
>think turn-based is shit when I was 12 or so
>try a turn-based game ages later
>love them now

A Link to the Past is overrated. It's not a bad game, but people who tout it as the best game in the franchise pretend that its flaws are actually good design, like making the ice rod optional except for one boss fight, and putting it clear on the other side of the map in an otherwise optional section of the map instead of a dungeon.

>>725352449 (OP)
turn-based gameplay is an instant deal-breaker for me.

>>725355175
I never understood people who only play a limited range of games. If you aren't playing multiple genres constantly, you are my lesser.

Capybaras are reddit-tier animals, lazy and friends to none.
Beavers are the patrician choice

>>725355124
Well that's just like... your opinion I guess. I grew up playing fightan on a keyboard but I could never put down the pad after I tried it once. I really would not call it a literal upgrade, it's down to preference. My only anecdote is that pad players are the majority at my locals.

>>725355175
True. Bought Legend of Grimrock on a whim once simply because I loved the music in the trailer. Now I'm a dungeon crawler enjoyer.
Before that mostly played action games.

I don't understand this current meme of cRPGs getting both real time with pause and turn-based
RTWP is just strictly superior and you can simply keep pausing if you want to have full control of everything

>>725354532
Still pissed that so much of her storyline got cut

Eyecandy, fanservice etc is simply a way for devs to hide how BAD the game actually is. I can understand having attractive characters, but if that's the only thing that the game has to offer then, well, it's a bad game

>>725355175
This. I started enjoying shmups and arcade games in general recently, and before that I broke into fightan games which was also very rewarding. If you broaden your horizons you will be happy. The only genres I still haven't gotten into are strategy and racing games.

>>725355124
In that case then I'm 100% with you. Given that there are so many fantastic features even on a ui level that PC games do compared to controller focused games that never even bother, and that always annoyed me. Or being able to switch between the two at will or even use both simultaneously. Its been a godsend when playing on modern emulators that isn't matched by any game released at all, the lack of options is just painful. Your points about enabling devs to be lazy is something I never even thought about either, so I agree there as well.

I think Undertale shaming you for multiple playthroughs fucking sucks and I'm not going to be all that chipper if Deltarune does it.

>>725355362
Your first and second sentence don't match. You say all eyecandy is just there to hide how bad the game is, then you say eyecandy is fine actually and it's only bad if it's the only selling point
Well fucking duh, if your only selling point is something not related to gameplay, it's gonna be bad

>>725355362
Your entire statement is build on premise that fanservice is always and afterthought, a measure to redirect the attention. While plenty of games with sexy women have sexy women in them because their creators love sexy women.

>>725352449 (OP)
Expedition 33's endings are both bad and the lack of a third option renders the entire endgame and, to a lesser extent, the game as a whole meaningless. Also, Simon's difficulty balancing is some of the most laughably bad I have ever seen in any game. Your options are:
>1. do 500 perfect inputs in a row (you can afford to miss maybe four parries if you're lucky)
>2. press the "skip fight" button by killing the boss in one hit at the start of every phase
>3. die

>>725355514
But you aren't supposed to like sexy women

you aren't supposed to reproduce

>>725355362
This is true but only in regards to gachas.

>>725352449 (OP)
Real golden age of gaming is right now.

>>725352449 (OP)
i think gacha games are the only games that do any attempts at making sure their communities enjoy their games, they are also the only game devs still innovating

>>725355419
Yea, after chapters 3 and 4 released and diving into the autism, there's so many cool possibilities I think the plot could go before remembering what it all boiled down to with undertale. Its a huge concern of mine since I really feel the meta elements horribly mesh with the very appeal of games to begin with. The message of taking fictional worlds so seriously where you genuinely humanize them has been one of the worst messages to be popularized that leads to the demonification of thought and thought policing in the modern era. Games are supposed to be something to return to and even the best book/movie stories gives you reason to return with new life experiences and perspectives. I can semi-excuse it for undertale since it felt pretty tacked together as a first foray into independent creation, but if deltarune continues the trend then it would just mean Toby learned nothing and is extremely stubborn and misguided on his values on human communication and expression. I don't have much hope given how retarded the 10th anniversary was, but it hasn't really reflected in deltarune itself yet.

Bethesda games suck ass

>>725353660
Dude, it's not about Mario 64. What you're talking about is blatant parody of the genuine tendency to act like every single modern game is fully woke and terrible to a frankly unreasonable degree, and that you didn't realise that's what Anon was talking about shows the brainwashing is working, indeed

>>725355548
sexy pixels aren't gonna help you reproduce at all. it is in fact diverting your sexual energy into a black hole. women realize this, which is why they henpeck you about anime tits.

>>725352449 (OP)
Worms and bugs are truly horrific unfiltered little creatures but they still function as bait when you put them on a hook

>>725355673
I have some expectation that it won't be as bad since the game starts with three separate slots for save files. But I don't want to go to slot 2 and get some shit like "Oh, you think we forgot what you did in that OTHER world you stupid hypocrite?"

>>725355746
If you can't make the difference between, say, Hogwarts Legacy being full of troons, lesbians, and pajeets in 1800 england being a problem

and some discord troon trolling and saying Mario 64 is woke

then you are brainwashed, and the discord troons are winning. Dude.

>>725355875
AKCHUALLY it's in the 1890s

>>725355629
You win.

>>725355875
imagine expecting historical accuracy from a fucking game about wizards and a magical school that's possibly the worst example you could have used

Modern Sonic has a better design than classic Sonic.

>>725352449 (OP)
Adding RPG mechanics to action games is a retarded idea that removes the fun of an action game, It forces the player to go for number efficiency instead of skill and any attempt at going against that notion in the name of having fun only gives you the most time-wasting, torturous experience ever thought of. Get those gay numbers out of my game.

Fire Emblem Warriors should be a permanent ongoing sub series.

Digimon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pokemon

I thought Expedition 33 only had an okay story.

It just did not appeal to me aesthetics wise.

FPS games are better with gyro controllers. Devs just need to study how the Wii handled FPSs and adjust accordingly.

Gen 4 is the best Pokemon Gen

>>725355875
You're still not seeing the distinction I'm making and that's why people will continue to troll you

>>725352449 (OP)
Elden Ring and fromsoft have been a disaster for vidya

Mechanically the best entry in the series. Agile movement, melee moves flow nicely instead of being awkward canned attacks. Fettel powers are unique and fun, and shine even more in coop. Can't think of another bodysnatching game except Messiah. Skilled kills and mixed approaches are encouraged and rewarded without being a burdensome arbitrary mental checkbox.

>>725355295
>I grew up playing fightan on a keyboard but I could never put down the pad after I tried it once
I've been the opposite with every game I've played. I bought a controller for DaS when it came to PC, really tried it, and eventually just swapped back to M/KB and found I instantly did better and it felt right despite the jankiness. Same thing happened with fighting games.
>My only anecdote is that pad players are the majority at my locals.
I'm not saying hitbox users are the majority even. I'm just saying it's clearly a much better option than people initially gave it credit for given that some of the best players in the world switched to it.
>>725355409
I'm glad, I can't remember the last time somebody saw eye to eye with me on here.
>there are so many fantastic features even on a ui level that PC games do compared to controller focused games
Yeah, it's always been kinda nuts to me that controllers don't even have full key rebinding as a standard. Maybe not many people would use it but it's not like rebinding keys should be hard to implement. And playing a game like Nioh, even if you're a controller player and have to reach over I'd imagine, it'd be nice being able to actually use the slider to scroll through your inventory or being able to quickly type in a keyword to sort by but nope.

Tails deserves to be in Smash Bros.

>>725353917
>What she thinks will happen from her suggested policies
>Tee hee I get the 10/10 chad who refuses to marry me no longer how many times he pumps and dumps me!
>What actually happens
>WTF why does chad refuse to marry me!? He only has 10 times more women surrounding him than before!

>>725355362
I agree. It's fine if there's some fanservice and sexy women, but if the game's main selling point is just having jerk off material instead of actual gameplay, then that shit fucking sucks.

>>725356506
You realise that her position is a conservative one

>>725356585
>Conservatism is when we kill men because they're upsetting women due to women's own actions

>>725352449 (OP)
The MGS series is overrated shit. Splinter Cell and Thief are better.

>>725356636
She's saying things used to be better in the past, that it's natural for men to die, and that's why it's good, men are suffering because the natural order was subverted. Incels should be monks, proving the utility of religious institutions. As for Chad, he can just take multiple wives I guess, like in the Bible. It's not a feminist argument at all.

725356797
>B8

>>725356820
That's literally her argument and you're politically illiterate.

>>725352449 (OP)
>Give me your "shittiest" vidya take.
Games don't need every woman to be a coomer's wet dream, most of the threads crying about censorship are unjustified and insincere. With that being said ugly games are a menace, i don't think it's wrong to want the middle solution between ugly bald black woman(the one in every game) and downright fetish shit or excessive nudity.
Redesign=/=censorship especially if they put in the classic outfit as a skin
Porn games are not games and shouldn't be discussed in /v/, they should go to the red boards

There are gacha games with better writing and content than most AAAA b2p games

>>725352449 (OP)
I think hack and slash games aren't as good as people say and they only act like it because they're hard and they want to flex

>>725355748
>women realize this
lmao, are you the kind tha belives that women have paranormal abilities in regards to men? like "women can feel if you masturbate", "women can feel if you're an asshole", "women can feel if you listen to radiohead"
women just don't like competition, they'll be as mad if they catch you ogling real 3d holywood star
assigning some sort of a deep concern for a long term of society and lonely men to them is plain retarded and delusional

>>725353917
What an extreme ideology born from pure vitriol hatred arrogance and ignorance

>>725356393
nor to argue with you but
>Can't think of another bodysnatching game
Dishonored

>>725357017
When all you can do is pull for a waifu and "play" campaign you better have half decent characters and story since 80% of it is just reading menus and dialogue.

>>725354806
>implying we're playing the most marketed games in the world
meanwhile every japanese game has cringe dialogue, even the indie ones.

>>725356797
>>725356585
>You realise that her position is a conservative one
No it is a warped distorted take on a conservative position.
Problem with her logic is that it is entirely dependent on the assumption that the woman will have and raise children which a large and growing number of women today do not.
A woman who reproduces is worth a lot
A man is worth a medium amount whether he reproduces or not assuming he still labors and works to contribute to society.
A woman who does not reproduce is absolutely worth less than zero, a complete drain on society. Like a tree that multiple people put a ton of time and money into guarding and nourishing but never produced fruit.
Like most feminists she will preach the roles and responsibilities of men in the past while completely ignoring those of women.

I hate all first person games even shooters

>>725352671
not even a shitty take
tranime is trash

i think friendslop and streamerslop is a real and huge problem that has given birth to tens of thousands of pure shit games that sell well despite being low effort trash. the longer they go on, the worse the industry will get.

>>725352449 (OP)
Pay to win is a good thong. People with jobs - so more money and less free time - shouldn't be at a disadvantaged to leeches on welfare who can play all day. Productive people deserve to get enjoyment more than neets.

toby fox is the only person who understands how to actually write for a video game instead of writing for a book/anime/tabletop game and then implanting that into a video game

>>725357487
We have a winner.

>>725357497
>write for a video game
lol

>>725357009
You were supposed to give a shit take.

>>725357487
This is somehow right on the edge of both complete faggotry and dangerously based

>>725352449 (OP)
i honestly believe that 1995-2005 was the golden age of gaming and it won't ever come back. gaming has stagnated, it's boring and bland corporate product now

>>725352449 (OP)
Good games with one or two bad aspects and shit games with one or two standout aspects are both equally playable.

>>725357497
this post fits the oppic at least

>>725357305
>dependent on the assumption that the woman will have and raise children which a large and growing number of women today do not.
Obviously she's implicitly advocating for that as well then.

>>725357497
His biggest problem (aside from the queer shit) is how bad he is at implementing replayability, it reaches a point where he straight up mocks it in his game, good meta narratives are very hard to make and they get tiring very easily too so you can't really have a big market of those.

>>725354684
>Gaypads are the reason we have ugly "tiled" iphony UIs
we had 2 decaded of perfectly fine UIs and Ubisoft, despite their ugly, formulaic menus, use free cursor even on consoles and it works fine, so don't blame gamepads, but gay and retarded devs for this one

>>725357017
>there are microtransaction whaling games that have better writing than other microtransaction whaling games

>>725357603
It's the only take i have that seems controversial to /v/, unless all the thinly veiled coom threads(like the overwatch one right now) are made by tourists

>>725357730
I disagree, playing a dumpster fire clunky unfair piece of shit just for 1~2 aspects(like the story or whatever) is fucking horrible

this isn't /v/ but i still want to say it
weaboos are just human-loving furfags

Every single gacha thread on /v/ is a shill thread
You cannot convince me otherwise, it's blatant as fuck. Every single fucking thread about ANY gacha is posted by literal shills. There are no organic gacha threads, it's all fuckin shil spam.

And worse than that, majority of /v/ is too fucking retarded to even notice it. It's literally bottom of the barrel shilling, /k/ zigger level blatant threads and posts, same images, same webms, same arguments. And /v/ is still full of fucking mongoloids that fall for it.

>>725358050
I meant to say that UIs became big like on phones so that they can be easily seen on a TV, not specifically that modern transparent glassy style that everyone uses. In older pc games you would have smaller UI that required more precise mouse usage. Like in Morrowind for example (even though it's a purely PC game) and p&c adventures while console games overwhelmingly have big UIs with big sectiona dedicated to each option/item. And devs don't bother to rework them for different platforms just like they don't bother with reworking controls.

>>725354843
>Controllers are objectively better for movement, by a significant margin, than WASD
Meanwhile you have games like Apex where controller players with built-in aimbots insist that M/KB is actually better because their movement is superior and they can do tech controller players can't.

>>725355175
>Everyone is too stuck in their ruts, and that's why you get people saying video games aren't 'fun anymore.'
That was me about 5 years ago and is also an opinion that I share. Doesn't even need to be a different genre altogether, just a sub-genre or indie or same genre but trying a novel mechanic.

>>725352671
Based. They also have a tendency towards religion being some otherworldly being when it’s just fake Abrahamix bullshit.

First person perspective is more immersive.

>>725358368
Aim assist is garbage now that everyone is on PC
OH WOW it helped me kill one dude sliding in and then I got laserer by a mouse and keyboard in the mid range where aim assist does NOTHING

Cheating in FPS games is not remotely as big of an issue or as common as this board insists it is. People on here are just terrible at vidya.

>>725357727
how is that a shitty take?

>>725357727
that's neither shitty nor controversal for /v/
you would have more success farming attention with it somewhere on xitter or tiktok

>>725353970
>>725353018
Autism is thinking in extremes.

>>725353514
This.

>>725358495
Pro players have literally switched to controller in Apex and I'm pretty sure people have collected statistics showing controller players win the majority of fights and have better accuracy even at the highest ranks so there's nothing to really say except that you're coping.

>>725358506
There’s plenty of cheating. Dudes will know where you are when there’s no intel and you’re laying down in a closed bathroom. There’s just nothing else to play

ultrakill is the best character action game of all time and its not even close. Its not even finished and it already has more substance than the entire genre

>>725357221
Name a game that does not have cringe dialogue

Video games should cost more money, $100 or more for AAA releases, and there should be little to no discounts. All cheap video games have done is encourage a culture of amassing a pile of shit you'll never play on one side and on the other having a massive faucet of shit coming out all the time that you have to wade through to find the one or two games that are worth your time.

>>725352449 (OP)
Pretty much all 'open world survival crafting' games are bad and not fun. They're just busy work, your only motivation is just to explore more with ever creeping new resources to find so you can build the 'next' thing you need to obtain the next batch of resources. Otherwise you're just continually doing mindless tasks at your base.

Outside of building your base 95% of the game-play is either gathering resources and engaging in poorly designed uninteresting combat.

>>725358725
Oh so now I’m coping, huh Chuck?

>>725358273
As someone who actually plays some gacha, it's the exact opposite. The people in gacha threads on /v/ are people who take the latest topical hot female character and use them to ERP. 90% of the time they actively do not play the game and are proud that that's the case.

If you actually want to discuss anything about a gacha game that someone who plays them would want to discuss, you'll struggle. The reason it's the same images and same posts isn't because they want to sell you a game, it's because it's braindead horny retards trying to jerk each other off.

>>725352449 (OP)
Turn-based video games are antiquated remnants of PnP game systems and there's literally no reason for them to exist in the 21st century.

>>725352449 (OP)
Rollslop invulframes ruined action games for two decades.
Devs love it, because it means they don't have to actually design enemies and bosses. Just spam AoE attacks that cannot be avoided and let the player deal with figuring out a QTE rythm.

>>725358791
True but the developers need to actually design these games to be luxury products/worth the money and consumers need to be smarter and accept the pricing as worth it.

Just imagine a gaming ecosystem where $200 games exist and are sold but represent the peak of the industry. True kino.

>>725358921
Never understood this one because "no reason to exist" is such a wild statement.

I would totally get you if you said that some game concepts that used turn based systems could or should be re-evaluated now that tech might allow them to be applied better to real time gameplay. But the idea that it should be treated like something to be left behind entirely and not just an alternate form of game design is nonsense to me.

How do you feel about chess? And before you say "but chess is more complex than any video game", that doesn't change the sentiment here. Chess still has value as a game despite being strictly turn based, meaning turn based inherently still has value.

>>725352671
I like japanese games, but I agree about the writing. The overall story and world building can be good, but you read a million lines of the most generic anime shit and fans jerk off over the most miniscule subtle deviations from the norm.
>NPC: M-my daughter get lost, I have to
>MC: no you stay here we, deal with this
>MC2 (girl): but we deal with this [it's too dangerous/we have a different mission]
>...
>NPC: THANKS HERO SAMA
>MC: Don't mention it. And you little girl stay with your father
>Girl: *sob* o-of course nii san
>MC2: You made the right call. I'm sure you would make a great dad one day.
WAIT did she say this with bedroom eyes to me(MC). Does she imply that she wants to have sex and many children once we completed our mission. OH MAN she totally wants my dick I'm going insane
Google: MC2 impregnation porn r34

>>725359164
nta
I think that turn based should exists and has fans specifically because it's so different from real-time.
old games having controls tied to arrow keys is archaic and wasd Is an improvement that doesn't take away anything from experience but improves it.
But turn based is a completely different thing from real-timem ahs it's own logic, balance and mechanics. That's like stating that RTS shouldn't exist because we have wargames now.

>>725352449 (OP)
Hitman Absolution is a good game and a good Hitman game. Hitman fans shit on it and then go on to like nuHitman, which is basically Absolution tweaked.

>>725352449 (OP)
There are NO good jrpgs. There are good games that are also jrpgs, but they are good despite them being jrpgs and usually because of other qualities like the story, the soundtrack and characters that could work just as well if the game was another genre.
Following the same line of reason, there are NO good Ubisoft style open world games. Games like Witcher 3 and AC2 are good despite being ubi style open worlds, not because of it.

>>725352671
sir this is shittiest takes thread

>>725352449 (OP)
final fantasy ix fucking awful

The amount of complaining about bad videogames and state of the industry is disproportional to the actual amount of bad vidya.
0/10 scale lost all meaning, since 4-6/10 games, which should be perfectly playable, are considered trash along with 0-3.
Games like Suicide Squad, DA Veilguard or Saints Row reboot are not terrible games (see above) if you look at them purely as a product and ignore the massive budget and AAA backing, which should result in much, much better games.
Games should be rougly 50% cheaper but shouldn't be on sale until they become last gen,

The video game "industry" wouldn't have ruined the hobby if women were kept in line by being regularly physically and sexually assaulted by mentally unhinged gamer bros.

>>725353998
>i have no idea where the youth go to loiter these days
On their phones. They loiter in digital spaces because there are no real world ones. There's no malls, there's no arcades, there's no parks and even if there are they're watched 24/7 by security cameras and cops come and break up any groups that show up, especially teens, because you need a permit to congregate now.

>>725358749
Autists need to be shamed and called out for being retarded. This is a good take though so not really needed for this thread.

>>725357785
Come now, we both know that is not true.

>>725359574
You are ignoring one important factor, opportunity cost. A person only has a limited amount of time in any given day to play vidya, so as the number of vidya increases massively like we're seeing today people will naturally value "fine" experiences less.

>>725358790
Knights of the Old Republic II
Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magic Obscura
Planescape: Torment
The Wolf Among Us
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Gabriel Knight 1-3

>>725352671
Japanese games can only be good when they heavily rip-off Western media.

>>725352449 (OP)
Sequels don't need to innovate. If a game was good, it is perfectly fine to make more of the same.

>>725352449 (OP)
Eu5 is good

>>725357009
I hate that on one side I have rabid leftist wanting every woman to look like an unkempt tranny, while on the other I have porn-addicted weebs who want every woman in games to look like a bimbo slut going to a gang-bang.

>>725359785
>Buying the same game twice

>>725359574
Youre leaving out context. Since the indurstry been running for a while now and sequels are always an easy money a lot of complaining is addressed towards bad sequels which is understandable and explain the volumes of angry posting.
Another important nuance is genres dying/changing so obviously not everyone is going to be happy with that.

tldr: people who are passionate about their hobby demonstarte passion

>>725359874
>>725359686
Retarded takes.

>>725359810
But that's what /v/ has been parroting.

>>725359710
>KOTOR2
>not cringe dialogue
come on man

>>725356585
More like anarco primitivist. The conservative position would be to advocate for stricter sexual mores.

>>725358760
All I know is I get accused of cheating far more often than I feel like anybody else is even in high elo lobbies and it's not even just when I'm playing well but also for the most mundane shit. I honestly can't remember the last time I thought somebody might be hacking even when I get top 500 players in my games. I remember though I got called a hacker for 'magically knowing where a guy was going to be' when he was stomping around a building to the point I could reliably track him through walls off of audio alone. A decent portion of mediocre players will call hacks at the drop of a hat even though the idea that their lobbies (or just lobbies without SBMM) are that filled with hackers is comical.

Metroid and Castlevania suck and don't deserve having so many games inspired by them.

>>725352449 (OP)
China is taking over the industry whether you like it or not.

>>725359984
Feel free to post some examples from that game.

>>725359686
I disagree, on the contrary, I do need bad/mediocre games to truly appreciate good games
>>725359874
I have no problem with people calling oout bad game/shitty practices, but I've seen plenty of the complaining and not enough appreciating, especially on /v/
for me, games are products, and unlike books and to some extent, music for example, they're often made by large number of people that come and go
I do vote with my wallet and have my opinions as well, but I don't blame anyone for bad product, I simply choose not to purchase it
>but how can devs know what gamers want without criticism?
they know, they always knew
>>725359908
not me btw

>>725360263
>not me btw
True,. My take is too right

>>725360340
So it' doesn't belong to shitty takes thread?

>>725360134
This but for "soulslike"

>>725352671
This isn't a shitty take at all

Saw this meme on 4 different socials today. 4chan is no longer where memes come from

The japanese cant write for shit.
Every japanese game is full plot holes and characters acting like idiots for the sake of keeping the plot moving forward.

>>725352449 (OP)
Every game after Dark Souls 1 lost its way and the term "souls-like" means nothing and is a genuine insult to these games.

Everything has been tried and done. There will be no new innovations in genres
>But new games still cum out!
Yes, and they're all the same shit. The only reasons people still buy them are; Long/Short term memory loss and that the masses need their opium

>>725360520
I blame translators.

>>725352449 (OP)
The longest most boring strategies tend to be the best ones

While its exclusives fucking suck, the PS5 is actually a pretty good multiplat machine with decent performance on everything in case youre too poor or too stupid to build a pc

It's dogshit. Only the writing is good, which, no matter how hard pretentious mouthbreathers try to say otherwise, isn't enough to make it even a decent videogame. Disco elysium did the same thing, but right.

>>725360019
That’s a lot of words to say you’re hacking.

>>725359590
I used to do that, 2012 was a great year for me. I raped multiple women with my BWC gaymer cock.

Trails of Cold Steel Arc has the most fun turn based battle system, especially Reverie. I am not saying balanced, just fun. I also like its art more than Daybreak

>>725352449 (OP)
Genshin is easily better than both BOTW & TOTK and I've played all three.
Nintendo's modern output is just sad and poor.

>>725361335
>DE
>The game that has even less gameplay

AI is the greatest thing to happen for game development. Basically every single dev will have their work cycle cut down to 1/10th its size without affecting its quality, and more creative approaches to procedural generation will be available that will make AAA games today look like tiny level segments in comparison. it's gonna be amazing.

>>725355173
starfield is actually pretty decent these days. if anyone managed to like skyrim they can probably enjoy it.

>>725352449 (OP)
Survival Horror is... le bad!
If I have to restart every time I get clipped and also the movement is shitty and I need to know what to do in advance, your game is just annoying. And if you like getting annoyed then you need to stop playing videogames and shack up with a white bitch immediately, the birthrates need you.

>>725360536
That's fine. We ran out of movie genres in like the 50s and book genres in previous century.

>>725352449 (OP)
Gacha games are made to financially exploit incel losers and pedophiles

>>725352449 (OP)
Competitive games are not fun and never have been.

>>725362507
Didn't work with me.

That PC master race shit was stupid and a lot of you were cool with it until you started getting laughed at.

>>725352449 (OP)
vido games are no good

>>725352671
FPBP

>>725352449 (OP)
Gacha games are saving vidya.

>>725363367
I'm always surprised that /v/ hates gacha so much, but then I read threads like this and remember that this place is full of normalfags that think anything anime is icky.

>>725352449 (OP)
Console games should have stuck with not giving the player camera control. Sure, sometimes it can be necessary when the camera is slightly dynamic for the player to correct a stuck camera by snapping it behind the character or similar correction, but otherwise it was just generally a bad idea.
>Need to model geometry from more angles, wasting time and performance
>Need higher res textures on everything, because you can rub your eyeballs against everything, wasting development time, storage space and performance
>Player needs to use almost all of their available face button inputs on something that isn't fun and doesn't contribute to the gameplay
>Game is less complex, because the player can't just focus on moving and interacting with the environment
>Generally much worse cinematography in gameplay, because the devs have no real control over what a third person camera is looking at
A PC game at least has the tools to deal with the player directly controlling the camera, but console games aping this style do not.

>>725352449 (OP)
I liked Unreal 2, Red Faction 2, Lost Planet 3, Dead Space 3

>>725352449 (OP)
here's one everyone here will lose their minds over:
Obsidian is a dogshit dev that uses "we were rushed" to excuse somehow making a jankier more bugged Bethesda game than Bethesda could (and /v/ eats that shit up), and more pretentious writing for a Bioware game sequel than Bioware would do (and /v/ eats that shit up) that reddited up HK-47 before Reddit was really even a thing.

>>725352449 (OP)
why do zoomers love saying rage bait

>>725357161
based Bofoi truther

>horizon zero dawn and forbidden west are masterpieces and aloy is a great character
>half life and bungie halo are the peak of the fps genre
>fear 2>1
>portal 1>>2
>mario world>3
>dota and cs are anti fun and helped ruin valve
>fighting games are horrible
>Kojima is a bad game designer and a worse writer.
>mgr is bad and the memes/song lyrics are embarrassing
>dead rising has 0 good games
>simpsons hit and run and yoshi's island suck
>dmc devil may cry and god of war 2018 have fun combat even if the story/characters suck hard
>gta sucks and rockstar is the most overrated developer ever
>only resident evil games worth playing are 4, remake of 2, and remake of 4. 7 is okay.

>>725365843
Lol, yeah, pretty bad opinions you pinned your 12 year old identity on.

>>725365915
Don't care, didn't ask, etc.

>>725353917
Femoid vitriol disguised as an insane woman take. Women shouldn't even learn to read

>>725352449 (OP)
Turn-based games in and of itself is shit unless you're a turbo autist.

Fallout New Vegas is bad. I won't say it's dogshit because it's got some good elements but man does it play awfully and the world design is just kinda bland and uninspired.

>>725366157
You posted on a public forum, bitchboy. If you wanted zero responses, you'd have kept your cuck ideas in your cuck head.
Dumb fucking zoomers thinking 101 roblox dismissive rhetoric works everywhere.

>>725359574
If you consider 4-6/10 to be playable you're a subhuman
Considering 4-6 to be 1-3 is what happens when you grow up and don't want to waste your time with mediocrity. Get some standards.

>Blizzard is paying good $$$ in order to sabotage every single attempt at a class based team shooter or MMO

>games should balance around the average player from not casuals or sweats

>metroidvania as a genre is overrated

>roguelikes/lites are hot flaming dogshit, and if I wanted more RNG in my life I would play board games/D&D/card games; vidya stands out from other media by giving us agency within the entertainment itself, but when that shit gets compromised it's just playing dice with flashing lights

>women should not be legally allowed to work in the game industry

>Gen X YouTubers completely fucked the perception of what makes a game great for generations to come

>not trying to sound a like a square or cringelord but we unironically need less games where violence is the main thing/or is common place, and no I don't just mean more farming game spam or walking sims

>Deliberate input lag while offline on a PC? Unfair/Bad Gameplay. Dodge occurs on button "release" not on "press"? Unfair/Bad Gameplay. DPS check or get one shot on a game that's supposed to have a variety of builds? Unfair/Bad Gameplay.

>>725354632
>>725354681
People only say this because of Eurojank with zero polish like Gothic or RTWP garbage.
Turn-based RPGs have always been good.

>>725368365
depends on the turn based battle system.
The game needs to be appropriately complex to warrant turned based strategy.
if character positioning doesn't matter and movement on a battlefield isn't part of the strategy then your game does not warrant turn based.
if you are picking attack/magic/item from a menu, your game doesn't need to be turn based.
You need to be able to do more than 1 thing in a turn to really warrant a turn based system I think. That more than 1 thing might be moving your archer to a vantage point and then shooting with a height advantage for more range/damage, but that's loads better than just mash fight/attack

The last 3 Larian games did turn based right.
4 niggas in a row is turn based done wrong.

I fucking despise overly sexual content in games and its solely there to keep people interested, pointing to the fact that the writers are insecure about their shit.

I love pussy, i love porn, i love vidya

But for the love of god, can we stop with the thirst trap nonsense when i am saving the fucking world from aliens or some other shit?

"durr cuz ur a prude"
No you fucking cancerous retard.
Because i have seen plenty of pussy, IT IS NOT THAT SPECIAL IF YOU ARE AN ADULT

"Oh look, that girl has like hips and stuff"

OH REALLY, HIPS ON A WOMAN? WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED?

MIGHT AS WELL MAKE A WHOLE SEX SCENE OF IT, WE KNOW THE GAME IS BORING AS SHIT WITHOUT IT.

Just make the fucking game good, and you dont need pussy to sell it.

Bro i feel like some goddamn rocket scientist saying this.

>>725370231
Developers interpret takes like this as justification for making ugly/fat women/butch heroines, because being attractive to malegaze isn't important so "representation matters"

>>725355629
Too much console slop

>>725370231
>Overly sexual content BAD
Take your head out of your own ass. This was embarrassing to read.

>>725352449 (OP)
Vidya doesn't cause violence, but it does cause kids to become losers.

>>725370231
Erm, you don't get it chuddy, games need to be softcore pornography otherwise they're woke and pozzed.

>>725370231
I prefer a good ol' tease, porn in vidya is lame.

All multiplayer games are bad

>>725352449 (OP)
Beat em up games are lame

>>725352449 (OP)
Fallout 4's settlement system is better at doing what modern Animal Crossing has attempted to do. You miss out on a bit of dialogue and the calandar based events, but there's a whole game and gameplay loop to Fallout 4 that mogs New Horizons in nearly every way. Settlers are only slightly more boring than modern villagers anyway lmao.

>>725373151
I don't want outright porn but I do like some sexuality, and in RPG's romance is now a staple. It almost always "implies" sex rather than showing it but I enjoy having the extra questline if you like some of the characters.
It loses its appeal though if none of the options are appealing.
having to "settle" for Cassandra in DA:I and Shadowheart in BG3 with their "we're so tough womyn" facial scars kinda does suck though the characters aside from their busted looks were alright

I can't fucking stand the on-going trend of MP coop trash. They're all the same, same shitty gameplay, shitty servers, pity SP mode which is shit cause the said games are balanced around multi.

When will this end

>>725373707
Payday 2 with friends is great though.

>>725352753
cold ass take, it genuinely is a fucking god-awful fucking game

>>725352449 (OP)
Modern western gamedevs are talentless tranny cucks incapabale of making a good gameplay. Old western often gamedevs are much more inferior to japanese gamedevs if we talk about gameolay

Interactive movies are the cancer of gamedev. Every single one interactive kino is shit and should not exist

I understand what sexualization "for the male gaze" is after playing NIKKE and how it's different from the sexualization that women are okay with and now I think anything that's "male gazey" is shit because it is genuinely just tasteless porn star-esque titillation and it really shows in the personalities of the people who prefer that blunt sexualization.

Western RPG sexualization is complete shit though since it's basically homosexual christian puritanism though but I would say this is mostly caused by how western companies want to stop having "straight males" as their default audience but have no ability to create something from an experienced and nuanced perspective, just creating things via bludgeon.

I am indifferent towards vitiligo on character creators, like it doesn't add or subtract. Is it just for DEI points, sure but it also doesn't really impact anything.

>>725373151
Then fuck off to yo gachaslop where nothing ever happens

>>725374162
That's a whole lot of words to say you're low T, anon. Going to start crying when virtual rape happens too?

>>725352449 (OP)
YIIK fucking mogs e33

>>725374279
NIKKE is sexualization for women anon. You're not fapping to a women's game are you? cuck

>>725357487
As a NEET, I get it, but when you have "micro"-transaction that are more expensive than the base game was, that's just complete retardation. I'm looking at the fucking gorilla fist in CoD. I had stopped play CoD after BO2, picked up MW2019 because it was Kino, but nothing else after and good Lord am I glad I can just sit back and laugh at the heinous Activision-Blizzard degeneracy from my spectator row.
The CoD-Father was right the entire time

>>725352671
This is why we need (good) localizers, to filter out that garbage and make it comprehensible.

>>725357727
that's a frostbitten take lmao!

All of this reads like an average reddit thread, funnily enough.

Playing games on PC is soulless

>>725374354
>see two women kissing
>normal man: "That's hot."
>totally not insecure anon: "UM, DON'T YOU KNOW THAT'S SEXUALIZATION FOR WOMEN? WHAT ARE YOU A KEK?"
Yeah you're definitely not beating the allegations, kek

>>725352753
The only people who still play it are fucks that jerk off to the female warframes.

>>725375771
if you fetishize lesbians you're a cuck unless what you're making a fetish out of is the possibility of MFF threesome.
if you just want to WATCH 2 girls lez out
that's cuck.

>>725363434
I like anime but gacha is dogshit. It's everything wrong with AAA game greed taken to its logical extreme and defended by a cult of horny gambling addicts. I like fanservice too, but I don't want it used as an excuse to try and sell me the unholy hybrid of a casino and a mobile game. Fuck that shit. Gacha players are not saving the industry, they're feeding money to the people killing it.

>>725352449 (OP)
Very few games designed to use a dual analog controller actually benefit from having a free camera controlled by the right analog stick.
The industry abandoned the practice of using fixed camera angles in 3D games much too quickly.

>>725363434
Anyone defending microtransactions is a normalfag

>>725374765
4chan is just reddit without the censor ship and group think at this point, what do you expect?

>>725363434
Gacha games are complete slop, and I think less of the people who spend money on them.
You're worse than people who throw money at actual casinos. I don't consider you people genuine video game enthusiasts; you're just gambling addicts.

>>725352449 (OP)
games that arent like rogue are not roguelikes

>>725365843
>horizon zero dawn and forbidden west are masterpieces and aloy is a great character
Did you open your post with an opinion that's half right and half brain-dead so we would know that the rest of the post was going to be the same?

>>725376363
Wish this was a cold take. This is a pet peeve of mine.

>>725352449 (OP)
The Gothic games are overrated as fuck here

metroidvanias with RPG mechanics suck

I like Sony games. There, I said it.

TLOU 1 and 2 are fantastic.
Spiderman 1 and 2 are good
Both Horizon games are some of my favorite games ever made
I love Ghost of Tsushima and Yotei
I LOVED Returnal, might be one of my favorite all time games and possibly in my top 10 all time
Days Gone was pretty good
Both modern God of War games are kino

I wonder if this makes some of you mad, it's not ragebait, I genuinely believe this and love Sony games and want more of them :^)
I'm looking forward to Saros, made by Housemarque who also made Returnal, probably my most anticipated game right now.

>>725360715
I bought one for Death Stranding 2 and have been pleasantly surprised by how much use I get out of it.
It seems to be what I was wanting out of the PS4.

>>725376643
>I wonder if this makes some of you mad, it's not ragebait, I genuinely believe this and love Sony games and want more of them :^)
ragebait detected

>>725376695
I forgot to add those to my list of Sony games, Death Stranding 1 and 2 are great games, 2 improved quite a bit over 1 and the world was nice

>>725376754
It's not, I love the games I posted, especially Horizon. I'm eagerly awaiting a sequel to forbidden west.

Graphics and story not only matter in video games, they always have and always will
Every single retarded faggot who says they don't will ALWAYS, when pressed, admit that the graphics and story elements of their favorite games contribute to why they like them
No matter how much you lie and whine your favorite game would not be your favorite game if it was a text display of the pure mathematical gameplay elements. How it looks, how it feels, and the context of what's happening and why all matter.

I unironcially think Ninja Gaiden (2004) is kind of ass. The first few chapters are good but like chapters 7-15 are a slog of shitty obtuse level design. I think the series went in the right direction by making it pure combat.

>>725376947
Presentation matters, which is independent of graphics. Story doesn't matter.

Gacha games are fun.

>>725370231
You sound like a boomer who likes Stallone movies but doesn't understand why all these vidya games need to be so goshdarn violent.
Suggestive material is a creative element that games can use if they want it, it doesn't make the game good or bad and I think the only reason you dislike it is due to some personal issue. You're reacting as if its presence brings down the quality of the game somehow just because gachas use it as a coverup for trying to screw players over. That doesn't mean every game that includes fanservice is doing the same thing.
>OH REALLY, HIPS ON A WOMAN? WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED?
If it makes sense to have it, why should seeing it make you upset?

>>725375902
Can't wait for Proto Wisp this december.

>>725352449 (OP)
I don't have shitty takes, I only have the best opinions on everything.

>>725374162
If you don't want homosexual puritanism, stop acting like a homosexual puritan.

>>725374190
The problem with vitiligo isn't its presence, it's what else its presence indicates will be there.

Vanilla Skyrim is a good game.

>>725376643
Sony is the actual champion of making a good first game and a garbage sequel.
>The Last of Us
>Spider-Man
>Horizon
>Ghost of Tsushima/Yotei
>God of War 4/Ragnarok
All follow the pattern of a good first game and a sequel that is a significant downgrade. In some of them (Last of Us and God of War in particular) the gameplay is improved but the game falls apart hard in other ways, either way the result is an overall worse product. Days Gone doesn't have a sequel yet but I bet if they make one it'll follow the same template (though I'll happily play it if it doesn't, the first game was fun).

>>725370231
Holy reddit spacing, Batman.

>>725355002
Japanese games are weird and cringe and should stay that way. Good take

I hate overly long combos. Especially in fighting games where you can be on the receiving end of one. Oh, I got hit, guess I can go on a walk and come back and I'm still mid combo. SF6 and Tekken 8 are garbage.

>>725355173
>2 games developped by bioware
>4 games edited by bethesda
>2 games edited by activision blizzard
https://youtu.be/7R8SyNZQaPg

>>725352449 (OP)
My vidya opinions are pretty lukewarm. I'll just say Lostprophets was better with the baby fucker.

>>725377039
All the people claiming story is irrelevant to making a good game are being pretentious retards who think they can fix an oversaturation of movie games by advocating for the opposite extreme. Story contextualizes a game's setting and atmosphere, which are important parts of presentation, and a game doesn't need to turn into a walking simulator for its story to be part of the reason it's good. Half-Life and Dark Souls both have stories that significantly improve their overall design without reducing the amount of gameplay focus present.

>>725352671
I've gotten myself to play Japanese games occasionally for >>725355175 reasons since the West basically doesn't make those kinds of fighting games, but the writing/aesthetics does become exhausting fast. Apparently it's normal to constantly speak in an overly melodramatic, poetic prose over there but that shit just doesn't translate. And the rave party disney fantasy starring runway models is beyond overexposed. How the fuck have they not gotten tired of it yet?

Here's my shitty take: Fromsoft makes JRPGs. A distinguishable style doesn't make you a whole ass genre, it merely means you're not a hack. Virtually every genre convention besides the waifus is present in Fromsoft titles. They're just JRPGs for gamers who are (understandably) embarrassed by all the other JRPGs.

>>725352671
For some reason japs cannot into storytelling and world build at all. It's like they have a part of their brain missing.

>>725378287
All of the sequels to those games are good, never played spider man 2 though.

>>725352449 (OP)
Unless you're into multiplayer games and AAA slop, the Deck is unironically the only "modern" console you need.

>>725356393
this game was fucken awesome in coop. Anyone who hates this game is an overweight loser faggot who deserves to be executed for wasting oxygen

>>725377039
But don't you need sory to have presentation?

Israelites are god's chosen people

>>725378287
All of those Sony sequels are technical improvements in virtually every way, it's just that their games are so narrative focused and they've usually blown their load on the story premise in the first installment so the sequel just feels like some shitty anime filler arc. Ragnarok is a bit unique in that regard because God of War did leave its narrative room to grow but a planned trilogy got compressed into a rushed duology.

Sony is kind of bad at developing franchises, to be honest. They desperately want iconic IPs but keep making games where the concept runs out of steam after the first game.

League of Legends and Dota 2 are goods games.

>>725378798
>For some reason japs cannot into storytelling and world build at all
That goes for any vidya writer

>>725380754
They are, but the people who play them don't play anything else which makes them frustrating to interact with.

>>725380816
The last game I played besides league and dota 2 was dark souls 2 on release.

Singleplayer games are objectively better than multiplayer games 100% of the time

>>725357849
i mean i don't think this is really a problem, there is nothing wrong with a game you experience one time but that one experience is really good. if anything it's a testament to how much staying power undertale and now deltarune has.

>>725380754
league of legends definitely not nowadays, i agree about dota 2 though. it's genuinely one of the best multiplayer games of all time.

>>725378798
>>725380786
These are the kind of posts that remind me we have actual 13 year olds on /v/.

>>725378798
there is no way this is a real post

>>725378824
>never played spider man 2 though
It's a colossal downgrade in everything except graphics and boss fights. And not all the other sequels are good either. Last of Us 2 is a mistake- no, you cannot defend it for having better combat when its awful story makes up 70% of playtime. God of War Ragnarok is admittedly the smallest downgrade of the list (unless Yotei is a lot less bad than what I've seen of it suggests) but its story is weaker, its gameplay is only a slight step up, and the constant NPC nagging is godawful.
Forbidden West is the biggest quality dropoff of the bunch, though.
>story is so lacking in nuance that the big upcoming villain it introduces is a ball of evil space capitalism
>Ted Faro goes from a guy with a self-destructive guilt complex to a cartoon greedy CEO who dies offscreen
>Aloy is basically an uglier-looking cardboard cutout all game outside of her interactions with Beta
>Tilda devolves from potentially interesting to one-dimensional evil and then dies
>Sylens turns good for no reason
>Erend does nothing
>Varl gets a boring girlfriend and then dies
>the game goes from having a few good equipment options to a hundred pointless ones you have to grind for hours to upgrade
>Machine Strike is "we have Gwent at home"
>combat goes from varied to just shoot everything in its weak points with arrows a lot or lose parts
>world is bigger but way less finished, you can fall through terrain in many different places
>Aloy tells you what to do constantly
>level balancing for quests is fucked (a level 35 quest will throw a level 50 Thunderjaw at you)
>game is buggy as hell
>can't fight while riding Sunwings
>have to grind for parts to get machine overrides
>new machines are often tedious to fight (Shellsnapper cannons force you to roll every two seconds no matter where you are, Slitherfangs flail their weak points around at mach speed)
Forbidden West is Zero Dawn's bloated, retarded copy that forgot what made the original good.

>>725352449 (OP)
RE4 is just as bad as RE5, and RE5 is actually more enjoyable because it has couch co op.

>>725381198
Only total failures write for video games. It's barely a step up from writing kindergarten cartoons

>>725381643
yeah man, making sweeping statements and broad generalizations totally makes you look articulate and smart.

>>725352449 (OP)
This is not a bait list. This is a list of games i genuinely like.

>>725352671
>western ways
There's nothing western about the west anymore.
If you're under 30 you've never interacted with western culture.

>>725352671
fpbp trvke nvke

>>725352449 (OP)
Rockstar has never made a good game.
Not once.
Everything they have ever done was irredeemable trash

Kamiya is an enormous hack on the level of Itagaki and every good game with his name attached is the result of extremely talented people fixing and fighting his retarded bullshit. Xbox didn't understand that Kamiya needs multiple ADHD/Autism handlers which is why Scalebound was in dev for 6 years and never even produced a demo

>>725381643
I don't get why that's the case though. A screenwriter for a prestige TV show makes like $300K which is a lot but it's a drop in the bucket when the budgets for these games easily exceed hundreds of millions and the writing is such an integral component to the overall product. Why not hire out for talent instead of incestuously hiring from within the game dev industry just to pinch pennies?

>>725381198
Only 13 year olds think tranime writing is good.

>>725381950
>AI can't give me (You)s because it is not advanced enough to recognize the different games from my image
>i will get only human replies
This is why i like Image Boards. AI based on LLMs can't handle images. So the chance for bot replies is way lower if you link what you're saying to an image. The AI might try to reply but it will never be able pick out specific things from the image i posted. God bless!

>>725382193
Because game publishers are greedy public companies that despise unions and refuse to work with them. Good writers are in unions.

>But that's dumb
It sure is, but public companies have to do a lot of dumb shit because they're legally obligated to do everything they can to grow quarter-over-quarter

That Roberta Williams was right.
>GD: Why do you think that the Adventure game genre has kind of died out?
>Roberta: Well, since I've not been in touch with the gaming industry as much as I'd like to, my answer might seem kind of off. Back when I got started, which sounds like ancient history, back then the demographics of people who were into computer games, was totally different, in my opinion, then they are today. Back then, computers were more expensive, which made them more exclusive to people who were maybe at a certain income level, or education level. So the people that played computer games 15 years ago were that type of person. They probably didn't watch television as much, and the instant gratification era hadn't quite grown the way it has lately. I think in the last 5 or 6 years, the demographics have really changed, now this is my opinion, because computers are less expensive so more people can afford them. More "average" people now feel they should own one. There's also the influence of the game consoles as well. So most of these people have gotten used to shoot-em' up kind of games on the consoles. Now they want to get that kind of experience on their computers.
>Does this mean that the original crowd still isn't there? Probably not, however, there are much fewer of them. And the numbers for a good selling computer game are much harder to reach now. Something that sold 300,000 copies then, would be a lame selling game today. The other side of it is that adventure games, to do them right, probably have some of the highest production costs around. It doesn't appear that in today's world, that our demographics will change anytime soon. Now I do think that there is some hope on the internet. It's my feeling that a lot of people who were in love with their computers, are now hanging out online.

>>725382193
Because less money to embezzle. Companies that actually outsource the writing usually end up being worse-written and full of political brained rot. BG3 being one example of being written by people who don't at all get the appeal of fantasy.
>>725382356
>good writers are in unions
lmao there are hardly any good writers in unions.

>>725382487
>Less money to embezzle
You literally don't know what that word means, do you?
The only good writers are union.

Looking at a game's water textures is a good indicator for whether or not the developers actually cared about the game they were making or not. Good looking bodies of water mean the devs had time to make sure everything looks nice, while bad looking water means that everything had to be thrown together without much thought. And yes, this thought comes from the "Amazing water" guy, but after really sitting with the image, I came to realize his autistic fixation with water made sense. Thus, it is something where I'll just let myself soak the textures in for a few minutes at least when I play.

>>725382975
>You literally don't know what that word means, do you?
I do, that's why I know it's happening just like it did when publishers got a-hold of the music industry and started embezzling investor, and creator, money into their own pockets and those of their friends.
Just like consulting businesses do now.
>The only good writers are union.
Name a single good union writer. I'll wait.

>>725352449 (OP)
Developers (and the whole chain up to and including shareholders) should be held accountable for the shit they pull. Bodily.
>Dark Souls tier camera?
Two fingers amputated.
>Updated the game to be worse?
Minus one eye.
>Game credits doesn't have a "Thank you, the player" line?
Guillotine.

>>725354532
Based

>>725381950
>>725382287
You're not failing to get (You)s because AI can't recognize your image, you're failing to get them because it's a completely unremarkable list of favorite games. This is what I'd expect most /v/ users over the age of 35 to post.

>>725383019
This may be a metric for graphical quality, but graphics do not a good game make.

Arkham combat is the definitive beat em up combat system. Stealth is good too.

Both need just a few addons or tweaks to be perfect.

>>725383056
>I do
Clearly you don't, because spending less on writing means LESS to embezzle you stupid faggot.
>Name a good union writer
Mel Brooks

You're retarded my goyim friend

>>725353998
mcdonalds, walmart, target, etc
the only inside places that are left are just stores

>>725383395
The water is still good if it matches the style of the graphics, you don't need some super realistic stuff. The point isn't to show off the most powerful graphics, the point is that the devs put so much soul into the game that the water fits with everything else. Actually, it's even a good point that if, for example, the game is silly and cartoony and the water is hyper realistic and clashes, they missed the point. At that point it's possible it's something they threw together and didn't bother going back for quality assurance.

>>725383578
>suck to target
No

>>725383602
>Clearly you don't, because spending less on writing means LESS to embezzle you stupid faggot.
That's what I said. They'd rather not hire anyone because that'd be less money to embezzle.
>Mel Brooks
Retired for over 20 years now and he didn't write most of his movies himself, relying on writers rooms with people like Meehan, Graham and comedians like Pryor to flesh them out.
Now name a union writer working TODAY worth a damn.
>goyim
Don't pretend to be a jew in hopes of avoiding the argument. .

Most "hard" video games aren't really difficult nor are you getting better at them beyond becoming comfortable with the controls. Dying until you memorize a boss' moveset and the optimal responses isn't difficulty and growth, it's just memorizing flash cards and training your pattern recognition.

>>725384356
>A lower budget means less to embezzle not more you idiot
>"That's what I said spending less means more to embezzle!"
You don't know what embezzlement means and you are illiterate.
>Mel Brooks doesn't count because I'm moving the goal posts
That's nice dear

>>725383019
>a good indicator for whether or not the developers actually cared about the game
>mean the devs had time to make sure everything looks nice
You're assuming that a game rushed out the door is a sign the devs didn't care as if the devs have a say, as if plenty of great games haven't been rushed and plenty of bad games haven't been given all the time and budget in the world.

>>725384580
>A lower budget
The money going into it doesn't change at all. The question is just if they're going to use it to pay for writers or cut something else like sensitivity consultants that just happen to hire their kids and friends kids. The budget, aka as much as we can get, is fixed long before they decide where to spend it.
Again, this is obvious stuff to anyone with eyes.
>moving the goalposts
>how dare you keep talking about current day things when I clearly want to point to the 80s and pretend it's still the same today
lmao so I take it you have no real examples.

>>725384479
I don't understand what 'real challenge' people want when they say these things. Getting good at a lot of things involves fucking up until you get it right. Go learn a martial art and you'll spend a lot of time memorizing your instructors moveset and the optimal response. What difficult game do you envision where you don't need to learn a bosses moves?

>>725385112
>The money going into it doesn't change at all. The question is just if they're going to use it to pay for writers or cut something else like sensitivity consultants
No, that's not how embezzlement works.
>The budget is fixed long before
Jesus Christ you're as confident as you are stupid

>>725352449 (OP)

Nerrel and others with his mindset will shit on classic games and collections for not including or introducing things that go against the spirit and aesthetics of the old game. Say what you will about the 3D All-Stars and the 3DS Zeldas vs the decompiles, but complaining about the lack or raytracing and how you can't swap the character models with Touhou ones is like complaining that The French Connection doesn't have enough twerking dancers added in.

Nerrel is "Nintendo Hire This Man" core

>>725385667
>n-no
>avoiding answering the writer question
I accept your concession.

hollow knight is overrated
kojima is not a genius
fromsoftware games are carried by the community, mysteries and atmosphere, the technical abilities of people working there are genuinely laughable

>>725352671
You are missing a lot of games by doing this. Games are roughly 30 hours of a story putting aside stuff like wow or battle royals ofc. All dem repixels and remasters are rip

>>725353591
What are your favorite games?

>>725385517
Honestly I have no idea either and I might just be frustrated at the lack of freeform/sightreading content in games, or the strict rigidity of most. Real life's skills seem to have so much more flexibility, incremental improvement, and ways to learn or execute them beyond a handful of preset stages. Maybe its just a limitation of the way games are. Genres like rhythm, racing, etc often do get a lot closer, but also often end up as "grind the same stage 1000 times till you can All Perfect it. There's also competitive and pvp games which do have those elements due to being driven by human interaction, but don't often seem to be called difficult for various reasons (I personally dislike these games so can't speak too much on them). I still like the soulsslop, the parryslop, and the like, but they often make me feel like I'm just memorizing more so than struggling.

>>725384937
The opposites can be true, it's simply an observation, and outliers are always worth looking into and considering. If I had the autism necessary, I would probably try to record several different games and observe their water and general overall quality to ultimately decide how true of a theory it really is. I just know, 3D or sprites, pre-rendered or not, etc., water has become an important factor in my general enjoyment of a game. And keep in mind this is a shit takes thread, so if I cannot sufficiently back up everything I'm saying, it falls into that category.

>>725352449 (OP)
Most Indie games suck

>>725385668
I fucking hate nerrel

>>725378287
/Thread. Game companies are trying to recapture the lightning from the original. AI will take time to produce more games.

Saying things like "dogshit" and "piss easy" makes you sound like a child on a playground imitating things you heard your teenage brother say. Adopting them as earnest and valid criticisms in a community just damages credibility of said community and makes it sound like it's made up of 12 year olds, especially when games don't have to be hard to be good.

>>725387420
A game also isn't engaging if it's too easy and "make your own fun" isn't a substitute for that.

>>725354532
Damn right

Sexualization in games is a bad thing because it's a Jewish marketing trick most of the time. You love to bring up examples where ackshually sexualized women in the game are done tastefully, but that's 1 out of every 100 games, if you even accept that it can be done tastefully. For anything else, sexualization and fan service is done as a means to sell you on the game. MAYBE the game can actually stand on it's own without it, but my mind immediately thinks they're doing it just to compensate for the rest of the game sucking, so I won't touch the game with a 10 foot pole.
What's most interesting to me is that people have been psychologically trained into thinking this is somehow a good thing and that being marketed to just with boobs instead of energy drinks makes it somehow not an advertisement. These people cannot refute any of this and all they can say is "gay" or "low t," the tell tale signs of a normalfag who cannot have opinions of their own and just parrots what others say

>sexy women bad
God I fucking hate entryists more than anything else.
They can never create anything wortwhile and just want to destroy.

Friendslop and party games are the purest form of gaming true to the purpose of providing fun and doing so with friends.

Time spent on competitive online/single player games is time wasted on cultivating absolutely useless skills with 0% practical benefits.

>>725388526
Grow up Timmy

>>725360691
Name a few, my interest has peaked

>>725388980
based.
though single player games are also valid, something to do while your friends are busy, but competitive multiplayer is just slop.

>>725353794
>>725353759
>>725355294
Both are good

>>725386795
>but don't often seem to be called difficult for various reasons
Competitive games like CS or SF definitely get called difficult, especially outside of here where people don't have a hateboner for PvP games and don't try to talk down anything they suck at or dislike. If you don't like PvP then maybe try playing a different genre or at least a game that lets you be more aggressive and proactive. Try out XCOM or if you want an action game I'm playing Nioh 2 and, I do kinda get what you mean about memorizing in games like Dark Souls, but I haven't really had that feeling where I'm just trying to drill a move in my head at all in Nioh. Maybe at the very beginning before you get some skills and particularly flux for stamina management.

YOUR NEW EMPIRE?

I don't get the notion that nerfing things is bad for single player games and it's fine for everything to be broken. They need balance as well. I'm not saying everything needs to be equally viable, I don't think that's the case even in MP games, or that you shouldn't be able to make a broken character if you go out of your way but basic options available to me that are a nobrainer to take shouldn't trivialize the game the same way they shouldn't be completely useless. I shouldn't have to purposefully gimp my character and avoid things entirely if I want a challenge.

>>725352449 (OP)
Time Stranger is the only genuinely good Digimon game.

>>725354094
Agreed.

Video games are a bad way to tell a story. I only play games without stories.

>>725386795
>don't often seem to be called difficult for various reasons
Yes they absolutely do, fighting games are called "gatekeeping" and "elitist" all the time by normies because they can't into command inputs like a simple QCF+P hadouken or don't like the grind of losing a lot to "git gud" and there is always a debate about making them more "accessible"
>>725384479
>training your pattern recognition
Chess is all about memorizing and pattern recognition too and it's one of the oldest games ever

Persona games are hideous in a way I cannot describe. there is something subtle about them I find revolting. I like other jrpg series.

>>725390630
Video games can be a great way to tell a story but no one wants to do it the way it's supposed to be done (through gameplay).

>>725386795
Hot take in response to hot take: Difficulty in video games can't co-exist with player expression/flexibility. If you can deal with a problem with like 12 different tools/weapons then it's not hard.

there has never been a good jrpg
fps has been shit nearly its entire existence
most home console libraries are criminally trash and only looked at with rose tinted glasses
the industry should never have got this big and needs a mass exodus of participants

>>725352449 (OP)
Things have unironically gotten better since the diversity push in games. The shitty Western conversion of anime moe tropes has given way to some pretty weird designs and the lazy devs have had to look to the past for inspiration instead of increasing the early-00's Disneyslop dial like they had been.

>>725388980
There are people with 1k+ hoirs on multiple games.

That's enough time to be considered an expert in a a field. Except you're an expert in de_dust2 that'll disappear when valve servers go offline.

>>725352671
I like Japanese games because they have discernable cultural norms, the west is a land of confusion. what norms do western games show other than dudebro (until 2013) and inoffensive nigger and liberal trans shit lampshading as fantasy?

>>725390465
That's not a shitty take. You'll find the same retardation in coop games where people keep repeating "pve/coop games don't need balance" and then seethe when devs nerf things.
Until I got involved with online communites I never realised how dumb the average person is.
I dare you to play Warframe if you believe that nerfs arent needed in pve games and the only thing devs need to do is buffs - enjoy endless powercreep that fuckups entirety of content balance while players whine about lack of content and simultaneously refuse to engage with underpowered weapons/zones/missions/modes because "they're not worth it".

1v1s in action games are shit. Once defense becomes a formality as you've memorized everything the enemy can do it loses all of its appeal.

>>725352449 (OP)
phantom hourglass is the best zelda game

>>725388980
>>725391114
>Time spent on competitive online/single player games is time wasted on cultivating absolutely useless skills with 0% practical benefits
Same as plenty of other hobbies. You say this because you assume people aren't enjoying themselves playing those things because you don't enjoy it yourself and you're even assuming that people don't play competitive games with their friends.

>>725391325
this but minish cap

>>725390969
go play heat signature and see if you still feel that way

>>725352449 (OP)
Micro-managing is tedious as fuck and games that treat it as a "skill" like strategy games completely killed my interest in those games.

>>725391826
nta
I loved HS but there's a way to cheese the difficulty which is more of an overwisght issue than a gamedesign approach issue
same issue with Dishonored and Mini Ninjas where you have a dozen of cool tools but there's one that will be the most efficient while requiring the minimum of resources

>>725389092
>Pokemon experience groups
>The entire concept of grinding
>"Setting up" on opponents
stuff like that

>>725353018
but I prefer if there's just enough of it to deliver wtf is going on in the game before it sets you off on a
>go kill shit
>have fun!

>>725390465
>>725391274
The problem I personally have with devs 'balancing' SP games is that their shitty balancing is always one-sided: nerf players, buff enemies.
Nerfing usually happens with a huge over-correction, i.e. items/strats get nerfed straight into the ground for daring to go against dev's 'vision'.
Enemy buffing usually happens in a power-creep fashion, and appears 'reasonable' if you look at just one patch-note.
Most of this retardation is caused by control freak devs who think that you should play the game exactly as they want you to, and the ever-present sycophantic dicksucker crowd that creates an echo chamber making devs think they can do no wrong.

>>725389092
>>725392320
Oh and camping, unfortunately

>>725352449 (OP)
Fighting games:
- Making street fighter more anime and guilty gear more street fighter was the worst thing to ever happen.
- Sf6 looks ugly.
- DNF duel could have been decent if they actually tried.
- The appeal of anime fighters is the crazy abilities and movement not necessarily the combo length (imo).
- Some actual single player content wouldn't hurt.
- They will always be niche and that's ok.
- That one Core-A gaming video on only buff and never nerfs was the worst piece of content to ever be made for fighting games and maybe one of the worst pieces of content for games as a whole. Absolutely retarded video that should be forever put on the wall of shame for how dumb his take was.
- I have mixed (mostly negative) opinions on esports, coming from someone who likes comp mp games.

JRPGS:
- The writing is corny/shitty/weird but that's ok and it's part of the charm.
- E33 is not a bad game but is overrated. But I feel like everything that comes out now (not just games) that is remotely good immediately gets worshiped as life changing or 10/10 or whatever for some reason.

Sexual stuff:
- Anything sexual involving younger characters (panty shots, etc.) is weird come on guys.
- Nothing wrong with attractive characters but when that is the only selling point the game is probably not good.
- I would rather just goon than play a porn game even if the story is allegedly good.

Gacha:
- I think it is killing the industry.
- I tried WuWa and Genshin and I think there is some nice stuff in there but again as a whole I think Gacha is bad for gaming.

Difficulty:
- Some games are meant to be difficult and not for everyone and that's ok, not every game is for everyone.
- I wish there was difficult single player action games that were not souls likes (maybe a single player moba or something with very good AI).

Reviewing:
- "It's not for you" is both a lame dismissal but also a valid truth for some criticisms, but it's context dependent.

Let me think of some more.

>>725392763
>- Making street fighter more anime and guilty gear more street fighter was the worst thing to ever happen.
I'm not a fightan player but isn't SF became progressively less animesh as the years went by? SF4 looks less anime to me than SF2 and SF6 almost looks like a western game.

>>725392763
Some more:
- Long cinematic supers are dogshit.
- Most game stories are not that good (which is ok, gameplay comes first).

>>725393065
I mean more-so game play wise, more mix and neutral skips and longer combos.

>>725393065
He meant in terms of gameplay.

Gamma and Anomaly are fantastic STALKER experiences and if it weren't for the space requirements I think everyone should at least give them a chance at least once.

"Competitive games" are all anti-fun. The best "Competitive genre games" are always the ultra casual ones.

Pokemon was never a good series. They're all shallow JRPGs.

The best Friendslop games are ones you can play by yourself and still have a good time.

Lethal company and REPO are shit games.

>>725392763
>"It's not for you" is both a lame dismissal
I'd argue it needs to be said more on here. I feel like so many people on /v/ shit on games purely because they personally don't like them and they're incapable of being objective.

>>725392763
If fighting games are always to be niche then logically there is no place for single player content because it is almost always for casual players and soon becomes like 1% of your longterm playtime in a fightan game (besides training mode). I also just don't like fighting game AI or any AI designed to replace players in competitive multiplayer in general, something about them just irks me.

Voice acting should be played by people of talent, not for the color of thier skin

>>725394092
That's not shitty enough. Surely you think something shittier.

"Player expression" should only come in the form of loadouts where you have to pick and choose your strengths and weaknesses. Letting the player have access to all 10 different tools at once, throwing your hands up in the air and saying "You figure out how hard you want the game to be" is lazy and bad design. The weaknesses also need to be as much of a negative as the boons are a positive, if not more so.

The PS2 brought normies into gaming with its "DVD" appeal which also began the movification of video games and ballooning of prices and they have fittingly moved their HQ to California to reflect this but westaboos are too enamored by polygons to accept this.

>>725394524
based

>>725352965
>slightly used

>>725352449 (OP)
The MMO genre has been hijacked by a community that genuinely loathes everything that makes an MMO a massively multiplayer online experience, which is to say a game built to facilitate a gripping and interesting world filled with puzzles and adventure that requires one to interact with other people in ways beyond purely superficial ones.

You can see the difference yourself in the span of about 5 minutes. On the one hand, download the free trial of Final Fantasy XIV, play the game, and see how long it takes before you have to interact with another human being, be it asking them a question, grouping for content, buying or selling items, or what have you. Then go download Monsters & Memories and do the same thing.

Lobby game enthusiasts have taken over the MMO genre and it has been ruined beyond repair by appealing to normieniggers.

>>725393689
That's fair. But for companies trying to make them more appealing towards casuals should add sp content if they want more people, just removing motion inputs is not really gonna help that much.

I say this because 2xko really missed the mark when trying to appeal to new players. "Guys it's beginner friendly because no motion inputs just ignore"
- Long combos.
- Disgusting tag max.
- High damage off of a singular conversion.
- Fast paced gameplay.
- No real single player content to ease people in (world tour in sf6 is extremely good at doing this).

The best beginner fighting game would be Samurai Shodown but nobody wants to play that.

I think what casual people actually want is a more complex beat em up or action game that IS NOT a soulslike but has the depth of a fighting game.while being singleplayer/coop. Fighting games inherently will just be frustrating to new players since you have to put in the time to learn and since it's a 1v1 game, if the other person is better than you by a certain margin, you just don't get to play. The first fact can be negated to a certain point but will remove depth from the game, but the second fact will always remain true and as a result will filter out people with no way around it. 2xko also did not really change it even with 2v2. If you can't accept losing and learning then you just should not play fighting games (or at least only play with friends, until you run into the scenario of your one friend being too good for your friend group but not good enough for locals).

>>725359710
You have horrid, boring dog shit taste in games.

>>725357487
Kek, ok this one's good

>>725352449 (OP)
halo was always good

>>725352671
That's just your opinion which I don't respect but is perfectly valid

>>725352449 (OP)
who is that dude

>>725352449 (OP)
RTS games are only good in the campaigns

>>725394092
This take isn't bad, ProZD's take was. Give us an actually dogshit take, you can do better.

>>725394808
True. I think the online community aspect of games is kind of dead and never coming back for all genres.

Controversy surrounding new releases has become so tame and lame and gay in comparison to the controversies that made headlines in the before times that I believe indie devs should actively be pushing to try and shock players. There should be games that can't be lets played, not merely for sexual content, language, etc. - but for them being verboten to speak about in polite company. There should arise a generation of anonymous boogeymen, motivated not by profit - but by the urge to craft a new mythos to break up the monotony. Edgekino must return, but it can't hold any punches whatsoever. Nothing must be off the table. Nothing.

>>725352449 (OP)
I played for the first time pic related and before that i played all of the 3d entry's including oddysei and i can safely say that Sunshine despite how repetiive it is, its the better game, oddisey its ok i guess but not worth replaying and galaxy is piss easy, probably to compensate the awful wii controls but that gets fixed if you play in an emulator or the switch ports wich lets you use an actual controller.

>>725395268
Shit just gets you banned. Like Hatred was genuinely off steam for a couple days or even weeks.

>>725352840
Three posts in this thread should have ended, we found the shittiest one

>>725394192
>>725395264
Voice acting should be segregated by race

>>725395413
whoops forgot my pic

>>725395525
I can agree with this, a lot of things should be segregated by race so let's open that pandoras box.

As a fool who plays dbd.

You dont want a pvp game lowered for casuals. It causes too many scrubs who have sore mentalities to enter, enough that the developers will lose money if they dont cater to this lowest common skill denominator.

>>725395429
So it gets posted elsewhere. Torrents, mirrors on mega files, it gets distributed by flash drives sold on street corners or slipped into the pockets of unsuspecting passerbys wherever video games are discussed. Saying "you can't do x because y will happen" is retarded defeatist speak. You can just do things. I'm already doing things but you can also do things.

>>725352449 (OP)
What ruined videogames wasn't trannies, blacks or soulless californian students but corporations. I will gladly personally show every tranny and nigger videogames if it meant any videogame company with more than 50 employees crashes and burns overnight.
Except Valve, they're not a videogame company, they're a videogame distribution company. As long as they remain that they get to live

>>725352449 (OP)
i like mario party 9 a lot.

>>725395834
It's not defeatism, it's about being able to pay rent.

>>725376947
you're a braindead troglodyte who doesn't understand the difference between visuals/artstyle and graphycs and even with that correction you're still wrong
in other words: congatulations on making a post fitting oppost's criterea

All games with a female protagonist should have the option to remove your clothing and walk around nude.

>>725376947
This nigger never played a MUD.

>>725395997
Fuck off you niggerminded dollarslave. You're gonna be broke forever regardless, so you might as well roll the ball forward in your free time. Reread my post, I said "motivated not by profit - but by the urge to craft a new mythos to break up the monotony". "People" like you make me sick.

>>725376947
True, but graphics are subjective. A presentation could be nice in the sense of detailed realism and it could also work aesthetically even if it's pixel art, so it depends, But yes, presentation does matter.
>>725377039
>Story doesn't matter.
Maybe in the very early days, but in 2025 this is just cope.

>>725396330
Have fun with your charity deving then.

>>725396369
To what degree does story matter? Look at megabonk and games like that, I don't think those have particularly interesting stories if they even have one at all.

>>725395871
>all corporations suck
>except my favowite one, leave them alone
Valve was the first company to kill physical games with Steam and the death of PC physical.
At least you acknowledged they don't make games anymore though.

devs need to stop being pussies and fuck with the player more, i'm sick of games being made for the lowest common denominator where everything needs to treat the player like they are an actual god that will smite the devs personally when the game shows the tiniest bit of friction and cry le bad game design. i want more
>you know what would be funny
type of game design

>>725396330
I like your idea in spirit but what kind of mythos would both be shocking to the establishment and appeal to people? The closest thing I can think of is having big tits.

>>725396694
we used tio have that in every game then things got all corporate and professional

>>725396782
Maybe one in a modern setting like the real world but with no corporations

>>725396694
>fuck with the player more
I present you this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_aQiKoe-RI&list=RDO_aQiKoe-RI&start_radio=1

>>725396694
The amount of asshurt Silksong generated doing this probably scared off more devs from doing it.

>>725352671
That's fine enough on its own, the issue is when fags like you infiltrated their dev teams and started raping them from the inside out to make them pozzed.

>>725394808
Here's MY shitty vidya take. Almost every change WoW made is for the better. Making MMOs into a themepark with instanced raid content made logging in the evening to play with the boys a guaranteed fun time. The social aspect being optional, especially in the initial part of the game, is also good. Do i actually care if the levelling part of the MMO has been made into a soloable tutorial? Not at all, most people are barely competent enough to play the game after spending the 100 hours or whatever to get to level cap. Just imagine how fucking dull it would be to have to babysit these retards from level 1 if you had to do that to keep the game's community alive.

>>725396782
There needs to be a new sector of games carved out that are hard to find, inaccessible to the normalfags, and grimy enough that anyone who wasn't "too far gone" would feel like a piece of shit just for playing them, even moreso for enjoying them. I want anyone playing these games to fear whatever was going through the developers mind, and as such the developers themselves would likely need to be fairly sick people to begin with. I want hand animated murder simulators with excessive brutality, cannibalism, the works. I want shit that looks like a real life creepypasta from before the era of faggots, women, and children taking over the genre. I want blood, bile, all sorts of bodily fluids. I want Manhunt 3. I want sacred cows gutted and left for dead in the middle of the virtual street. I want terror. I want so much more, I can't even begin to describe it all.

>>725354076
This, but unironically. Normalfaggots getting into any hobby always makes it pozzed and low effort slop that's pumped out endlessly.

>>725354532
This is every straight male's opinion, btw

>>725355258
Stole the opinion out of my mouth.

>>725397305
Normaltroons love HK though, it's not even comparable to what he's talking about.

DS3 is better than any other soulbourne game

>>725397557
based

>>725397557
Not gonna work; Outlast Trials

>>725397557
>I want sacred cows gutted and left for dead in the middle of the virtual street
hello saar

>>725398320
sacred cow is a western phrase made in mockery of indians

>>725397557
Gore isn't that controversial. It sounded like you wanted like a child porn snuff film simulator or something actually deranged.

>>725397505
You are right, that is a shitty take, and you would be happier playing a lobby game like Diablo or V Rising.