Thread 725477740

Bethesda is a fucking joke

this game is vaporware. its never coming out

>>725477740 (OP)
Phil got conned. He should start dismantling Bethesda and handing over all their stuff to other devs this is ridiculous

More news at a 11.

Vaporware

>>725477740 (OP)
I suspect because Starfield flopped, and Elder's Scrolls VI took a lot of cues from Starfield's game design. Now they're removing all of them.

>>725477740 (OP)
>Bethesda makes one game every 6 years
>The are all shit
Who cares.

>>725478339
or just because they're bad at making games. that's in like with how long starfield took.

>>725477740 (OP)
They are making TESO but with actual TES gameplay mechanics, pls understando

>>725477740 (OP)
Godd can't depend on Bethesda's jank factor anymore. Now that the company is under MS the higherups probably forcing devs to smooth out gameplay even if that compromises the fun factor and ends up a sterile experience like Starfield. Doesn't help that starting with F76 the games are more and more online dependant thus compromising the mod scene.

It will always be "a long ways off" so long as ESO and 76 keep printing money. TES VI has been in the 'do not make unless in case of emergency' box since at least 2015 and let's be honest; Todd and all the old leadership simply do not give a shit after raking it in from both the MS buyout and likely insider knowledge of the Actiblizz merger. They haven't been a hungry company for years, and it has shown in everything they have made after Skyrim.

>>725477740 (OP)
It's bizarre how a studio can abandon their main money maker for more than 14 years to release fucking Starfield.

>>725477740 (OP)
No, Todd just likes the element of surprise. He wants to make sure it's done and then just release. In other words, expect TES VI to mirror how they released Oblivion Remastered.

>>725479151
Evidence to support this claim, by the way.

>>725478339
That would be funny, because the only game design cues Starfield has is "make another Fallout/Elder Scrolls game but put less work on everything"

>4 years between Morrowind and Oblivion
>5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim
>15 years later...

>>725479116
not really bizzare when they have two money printing mmos that allowed them to sniff their own farts for so many years and say shit "starfield is our passion project"
and besides, ms owns them, they'll give bethesda hundreds of millions to do nothing like they do with all their studios.

>>725479431
If starfield was their passion project I'd hate to see what they'd do to something they didn't care about

>>725477740 (OP)
IT WILL BE 14 YEARS TOMORROW

I'm so desperate I'm playing fucking ESO. I don't know what I'm going to do with my life if VI is bad.

>>725477740 (OP)
he always lies so shadowdrop tomorrow time to lock in

>>725481992
>>725479431
My cope is that Starfield was Todd's passion project and the rest of the staff just wanted to hurry onto TES

>>725477740 (OP)
WTF is the point of video games if they take 20 years to develop now? The people buying this will be 35 year olds who played Skyrim in high school. It's ridiculous

>>725482385
One can hope, for what they were, the elder scrolls games were consistently good when they were still making new ones

>>725477740 (OP)
This is going to be another Kingdom Hearts 3, isn't it? A game that should've come out a decade ago, will never live up to the hype but still have a small but dedicated group of fanboys who will defend it to the death.

>>725477864
They said the same about Starfield, it would be better if it were vaporware.

>>725477740 (OP)
Then why the fuck did they even bother teasing it. People could have inferred on their own that a sixth Elder Scrolls game would happen "someday" without them teasing a game that isn't even in fucking development.

>>725477740 (OP)
small indie company, please understand

THERE WAS A GIRL I KNEW

>>725477740 (OP)
Btw, tomorrow it's the 11th.
That means Skyrim will have been released 14 YEARS AGO!!
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER TODD!

how many years did they waste on saarfield? a game that will be utterly forgotten. no one will ever have nostalgia for it. no one will ever want to replay it. fucking outer worlds as forgettable and shitty as those games are will be remembered for longer

Does anyone even want TESVI anymore with Bethesda's track record? It will just end up being garbage. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

shut up and buy Skyrim

>>725477740 (OP)
why'd they announce it like 7 years ago then? are they retarded?

>>725483326
It must really piss you off that Starfield's getting more DLC next year while it's community is thriving.

>>725483316
Sounds like you guys want another Skyrim release

>>725484348
>it's
Yeah you would be someone who's dumb enough to think Starfield has a thriving "community"

>>725484348
>while it's community is thriving
Let's not get crazy here

>>725478339
>bethesda
>learning anything
doubt.webp

>>725478339
I think they had the procedural generation in place but seeing how everyone hated it they're removing it

>>725478339
Starfield is essentially just Fallout 4 with less content and more reliance on fast travel, gameplay wise.

>>725477740 (OP)
They are trying to get gamebryo to handle ladder climbing

>>725477740 (OP)
>Elder Scrolls VI is a long way off
>Fallout 5 is a long way off
You really can't afford to waste your time on flops like Shartfield and Fallout 76 when you're so slow that it already takes you a decade to make a game. Bethesda honestly needs new leadership. The wait between these games is unacceptable and made even worse when their games are dogshit at launch and require several years of fixing and "engoodening" to make them playable

>>725483430
The only positive outcome would be if it ends up unbelievably bad, worse than anyone could have imagined, and gives us something to laugh at for years to come

the thing is it will still be a way off when it comes out so maybe he is just saying we are close

>>725485153
What about gamebryo prevents them from doing that? There's like a million different ways you could at least trick the player into thinking they were climbing a ladder

>>725477740 (OP)
Yet you keep buying their shit

They're using F76 and starfield to filter out the mechanics and things people enjoy or dislike. You're all alpha testing ES6 if you play either of these games.

>>725477740 (OP)
Its gonna be shit anyway, who cares?

>>725477740 (OP)
what will come first, fallout 5 or skyrim 6?

>>725484348
lol

Speaking of Bethesda, do you get literally anything from this besides shit you could get from mods and a season pass?

>>725486265
according to reviews you get a free complementary tutorial to the steam refunds processing system

>>725486692
That's actually awesome I wish more games did that

>>725484989
>can't walk into a random direction and stumble upon a new cool quest
this is 90% of the appeal of bethesda games. fo4 has it, starfield does not.

>>725477740 (OP)
>REEEEEE PLAY STARFIELD REEEEEEEEE
Todd hates when games that aren't his idea are succesful and sought after

Starfield was just a giant waste of time

>>725484850
>.webp
Fuck you fuck you fuck you this is a JPG and PNG website get that fucking shit out of here

>>725479367
There was less time between fallout 2 to fallout 3 than fallout 4 to [today]

>>725477740 (OP)
At this point you gotta ask yourself, is it worth taking a quarter of a life to make a video game?

>>725477864
>>725478308
Starfield came out only 2 years ago. Before that we had Fallout 76 and Fallout 4 since Skyrim. People who think Todd Howard and co. have been working non-stop on the next Elder Scrolls since Skyrim from 2011 are like the people who think Rockstar has had all the devs doing nothing but GTA6 since GTAV released in 2013.

New games just take forever to develop nowadays which is not the same as being vaporware in the same fashion as something like Duke Nukem Forever or Half-Life 3.

>>725488275
Oblivion to skyrim was 4 years
Fallout 3 came in between that time frame
Fallout 4 came 4 years after skyrim

Fallout 4 is ten years old

I want a Skyrim remake that expands the game, makes the map larger and adds more detail and polish to all the quests.

>>725489657
>Fallout 4 is ten years old
Don't think I didn't notice you flat out pretended Starfield doesn't exist when that was just 2 years ago.

Todd being realistic and saying "this game won't be out for awhile" is not the same as vaporware development hell. It at least indicates Todd has some sort of time frame in mind when making new projects. Planning out a project you know will take a lot of years does not make it vaporware.

Vaporware is something like Beyond Good and Evil 2 that gets teased as coming out soon and then it's 2 decades later and you still have nothing to show for it. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who thinks the next Elder Scrolls will probably be shit.

>>725490745
Is this a bot? Who gives a shit about starfield.

Why is this nigga on GQ?

>>725477740 (OP)
The Veilguard writer needs extra time to squeeze the gayest fucking quests from zim/zir's atrophied honey-roasted peanut they call their brain.

>>725477740 (OP)
Will they literally every spend the money to use something other than a 30 year old engine?

>>725490745
From the point of view of TES fans, neither Fallout nor Starfield count, and Skyrim was 15 years ago.

>>725489778
TES6 should be an expansion pack for Skyrim

>>725478339
I have to imagine they've lost at least two years of total progress, due to a combination of no central design document meaning people are repeating other people's work, Todd or Emile shitting up people's work with their high-deas and "wouldn't it be nice if"s, and things needing to get reworked when A&B combine and mean someone is working on something that no longer works, and will need to be reworked later.

>>725490780
>conversation is about Bethesda's ability to release new games
>this is obviously affected by them dedicating development time to projects like Starfield
>"who gives a shit about starfield"
Are you fucking retarded anon?

>>725478339
Pretty sure Pagliarulo is still the lead designer. He was the lead designer for Fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield. Four games with kindergarten plot and design, and I should remind you that it only takes three things to make a pattern

lmao did people think that the announcement trailer announced that they are working on the new tes game?
its an "we consider to begin working on it" announcement

>>725477740 (OP)
Don't worry, they have a few more skyrim variants to release and some cool fallout 76 stuff you can buy.

>>725491531
>its an "we consider to begin working on it" announcement
Not even that, it was just a "we still own the IP, don't forget us"

See that mountain? You can fuck it

>>725477740 (OP)
embarrassing 10 years since fallout 4 15 years since skyrim

>>725485153
They actually fixed that in starfield
t.saw a webm of it

they're working on the story

>>725479232
>cropped the date out
pls kill yourself

>>725487454
<Heavy's voice> NO!
chad.webp

jeets need to get their shit together

>>725477864
Can it really be vaporware if it was never in development to begin with? The only thing they worked on for that game is the teaser

>>725490813
He's not, it's a shooped image because OP is a faggot

I thought starfield was pretty fun

jeets need to get their shit together

It's over...

>>725491846
In a shocking turn of events, it turns out that no one actually wanted to climb a ladder. Everyone just jetpacks around them lel, dev time well spent.

Bethesda as far as I remember is one of those dev teams with not much turnover, which in turn means a lot of older staff. This can be a good thing in some cases, but without influx of more young people adapting to new things and tech is more troublesome.

>>725492554
they outsource their stuff to brown people now.

Oh I see, so glad you spent all that time and money making a bad space game. What's next on the docket, Fallout 5? Probably Fallout 5.

Get fucked, Bethesda.

how would you react if it happend just like that tomorrow. Lauch steam : Elder Scrools VI, 59.99

>>725492554
desu looking at the state of modern game dev I'm not sure adding new staff would help. they would probably get indian devs who would demand to use UE5 because that's what all their classes taught. it wouldn't even be unreasonable because imagine being fired after a few years and having nothing but gamebryo experience on your portfolio.

>>725491309
>has to ask if a /v/ncel is retarded
you're also retarded

I really don’t get why they didn’t have one team that only works on the engine and have a TES team and a Fallout team. Enjoy regular releases and a lot of money.
This is also what Creative Assembly should have done but instead they have like 15 years of tech debt and still shitty sieges in a fucking game where storming castles and fortifications is 70% of the fun

>>725492554
Eh
Half true
They lost basically everyone on the team with any actual ideas though, and replaced them with Mr. Paper Planes, who can't make any idea strong or interesting enough to facilitate any kind of cohesive development.

>>725483430
I don't care, it just has to come out. Nobody else makes games that feel like TES games. There could be like KCD 4: Henry's Wild Ride or the Witcher 7 or some shit and I don't care because it doesn't play like TES.

>>725478339
Pretty grim that this is literally the best case scenario for TESVI at this point.

>>725477740 (OP)
The goyim are not real.

>>725478339
Yeah and they go for DEI bucks instead so next game you will be forced to play a redguard in hammerfell

>>725493341
>/v/ncel
I think you're both retarded desu

>>725481992
>I'd hate to see what they'd do to something they didn't care about
Knowing Bethesda, it would probably become their most critically acclaimed game ever and make them seethe eternally

>>725479116
You should be glad. It mightve taught him that people don't want procedural emptiness

>>725482303
Just go back to modded skyrim or skyblivion ofc

It doesn't matter how bad a game (or any other form of media) is, the golem will still buy, consume, and quote it.
99% of those on Earth don't have souls, and they are TOLD/programmed what to say/do/"think"/etc.

That's why this trash, despite all the propaganda in it, will still sell well and probably break new records, since the amounts of golems consuming trash is always increasing.

Promise keep! Todd going to fix starfield, ignoring tes6! Sarah won!

>>725497225
Come home Nord man.

>>725497584
You will never be a vampire Fagio

>>725477740 (OP)
I don't expect to see Elder Scrolls 6 until ESO's 15th anniversary, at least

>>725488275
New games don't take forever to develop, the industry has become so toxic to creativity and passion that everyone who continues to work in them are corporate drones looking for a steady paycheck. Concord should have killed Sony and yet they barely felt it. Nobody felt it. The fact the industry can dump $500mil and however many years that takes means there is no reason to succeed. Why? Who cares if you make a good game. You're getting replaced by Indians anyway.

>>725497756
I don't expect to be alive when TES6 finally releases.

>>725484348
5k players on PC and 500 on xbox. Nice community dude. Older BGS games have more people across all systems.

>>725484590
Next year for the 15th year. Skyrim in UE5 for its graphics remastered.

>>725485153
Ladders work now. Dungeons might be interesting for the first time now.

>>725490780
>bot
We used to call it reddit spacing

>And we like that!
Seriously there's a snowball chance in hell this will be good so might as well let it have the time in the world.

>>725492141
>The only thing they worked on for that game is the teaser
even that was just modded skyrim

>>725498087
What are you 70?

What if they try to recoop the effort they put into Starfield and turn it into a Fallout? I feel like that would be easier than turning it into a fantasy game.

>>725478890
>so long as ESO and 76 keep printing money
Those make money? Who the fuck is playing that garbage and spending money on it?

>>725498880
40 with diabeetus and club feet. Might as well be dead at this point.

>>725492554
>Bethesda as far as I remember is one of those dev teams with not much turnover
based drooling retardposter
bethesda is THE studio who pioneered only hiring fresh out of game dev interns with huge amounts of turnover to cut down salary costs as much as humanly possible
they lost their competent staff very early on after daggerfall and it has shown very clearly on the products they have released since

>>725498978
We already have new vegas

>>725499293
Daggerslop was their buggiest most broken POS though

>>725499591
bethesda has always been a shit tier developer and has not made one (1) single competent game since their inception
losing all their experienced staff and proceeding to only hire fresh graduates was what cemented it

>>725498372
>Now
They could always do ladders, they just didn't because ladders added nothing to the gameplay. And it would just make their dodgy enemy AI even more exploitable.

all these companies taking 10-15 years to put out a new flagship game are really sabotaging themselves in a lose-lose

>>725477740 (OP)
they don't want to release it until GTA VI is out the door
they also have enough soi boy losers tossing money at them for garbage like FO76

isn't showing a trailer for an elder scrolls title (the series that actually makes bethesda money) they weren't actually making or planning on making at an investors show technically investor fraud? how many tens of millions of dollars were thrown at bethesda by prospective investors who were convinced by this fake advertisement that a new elder scrolls title was releasing soon?

>>725477740 (OP)
This is unironically a good thing

If it had released these past years it would be a souls like game

>>725502926
bethesda has been making the same exact game since daggerfall

>>725477740 (OP)
Good. present day Bethesda couldn't make it good anyways.

>>725482640
I was 18 when Skyrim came out and now I have a wife, 4 kids, a 500k mortgage and my only engagement with video games anymore is shitposting in hopes of collectively convincing enough people to boycott the entire industry and crash it
Life is funny

>>725483119
Same reason a woman shows her cleavage at the bar

>>725478339
>he thinks Bethesda is capable of expressing humility and self reflection
best post I've seen all week.

>>725477740 (OP)
I dont understand why you retards even care, you shit on every BGS game that comes out, only to praise it as a misunderstood masterpiece 10 years later. Happened with FO3, happened with NV, happened with FO4, and its gonna happen with Starfield, so do me a favor and shut your bitch ass up, OP. You gayass mf.

>>725491217
It’s revealed that Bethesda leadership was incompetent all along and that the magic run of morrowind through skyrim must’ve been entirely carried by passionate individual creatives who are long gone. The situation is truly hopeless and Todd will inevitably and undeniably be exposed as a hack.
I honestly expect him to find a way to exit the company before he has to release tes 6

>>725504403
mentally ill post

>>725504709
>I honestly expect him to find a way to exit the company before he has to release tes 6
if he cared about a "legacy" he certainly would

>new FO4 update today for some reason
>its nothing but bugs and dogshit

>>725505056
you will break ze mods

>>725492036
I didn't crop out anything. I grabbed it today when it was 4 hours old. The link is here where, as of now, it's 10 hours old.

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1987895136055919017

>>725492554
You should check out Starfields credits

they finally realized the engine is dogshit and actually cant find a way to open a door without a loading screen

>>725477740 (OP)
I don't why anyone would want more. Oblivion and Skyrim were awful.

>>725505250
What’s truly incredible is that they modified the engine to make cells large enough to contain an entire solar yet didn’t find a way seamlessly load between them or at very mask the transitions.
Greed? Incompetence? Laziness? Maybe even contempt? Idk but I’m not falling for it again

>>725477740 (OP)
He's saying it's not coming out until 2030 at the very earliest.

>>725477740 (OP)
Microsoft has the Punjabi Midas touch. Bethesda is gone, its just durgasoft now. Its over.

>>725477740 (OP)
They have daddy Microsoft money now so they don’t need to try anymore

3/3/33 release date

>>725477740 (OP)
Bethesda games have been shit for 18 years now, including skyrim. I am sorry.

Skyrim will most likely be 20 years old by the time the next elders scrolls comes out

>>725478339
TESVI almost certainly did not even leave the conceptual stage until after Shartfield came out. It's been made pretty obvious they have one team for TES, Fallout and Shartfield and they don't work on multiple titles at the same time.
The lesson Todd will learn from Shartfield is "the game was too complicated for the modern audience, we must make TESVI simpler so it will have broader appeal" because that is the lesson he learns from every game they release. They can only ever dumb things down further, Todd has never once improved on the last game he made.

>>725513442
>they are going to hire more indians to try to get it out faster

>>725484989
Starfield flopped because fundamentally there's very little actual content and 95% of the time you're just exploring and clearing space Draugr dungeons for the sake of getting a minor side quest out of your quest book.

The game has 2 major factions (There're 3, but the 3rd one is an Illuminati space jew club with no physical location and only exists in lore so it doesn't count), and each of the 2 major factions only has 2 planets. That's literally it, a "mega space sandbox" game with only 4 major establishments. You visit all 4 "cities" (if you can even call them that because they're just Windhelm in terms of size) and you're already done with 99% of the good content the game has to offer.

Starfield was worse than fallout 76 and fallout 4.

Hard to believe I'd say a fucking bethesda MMO and fallout 4 are "good" in comparison to starfield.

Thats how bad you know it is.

>>725487454
Not my problem.bmp

>>725504018
I was a friendless, girlfriendless loser when Skyrim came out. I am now 14 years older, with college debt, and still a friendless and girlfriendless loser. Life is not funny. It is miserable.

>>725513442
>"the game was too complicated for the modern audience, we must make TESVI simpler so it will have broader appeal"

This is unironically true, the vast majority of gamers are full blown retarded they will given the chance optimise the fun out of a game, use mods & cheats to make themselves over powered, never see through a games story not because of some kind of roadblock but because something else catches their attention. People cry that multiplayer games have toxic players that call them out on their fuck ups, most gamers who pick up hard games or mods purely for vanity reasons, so called competitive gamets watch youtubers meta analysis then go on and complain that everyone uses the meta strategy & needs to be nerfed. On the subject of youtubers people will flock to video essays then go about trying to coach and brow beat others but are never able to articulate why they supposedly agree with the subject matter.

Gamers are retarded

reminder that the only reason oblivion remaster was made was to threaten bethesda. MS needed to remind them that they can and will fire everyone and just have a chinese studio make the games.

>>725484348
>Starfield's getting more DLC next year
source? i thought they abandoned the game after the first dlc

>>725514843
Source?

>>725484348
They need a whole redesign.
Make Space real like in FreeLancer
Actually handcraft the planets(Can be behind loading screen for landings)
Hire good authors, or go read a sci-fi book from 70s and copy ideas from there.

>>725515216
>sci-fi book from 70s
list good sci fi books from the 70s NOW

>>725515068
The guy who is the team lead on Starfield has talked about big updates coming, and they teased a 2nd DLC called "Terran Armada" like a month or two ago.

>>725477740 (OP)
>inb4 look worse than Skyrim and star field with ten times the bugs

>>725491217
>due to a combination of no central design document
People need to stop pushing this. No one at Bethesda ever said they don't use design docs. What they said was that they don't make one giant, all encompassing, design doc BEFORE THE GAME STARTS DEVELOPMENT because those because very quickly outdated since, as many game devs will tell you, ideas rarely survive first contact.

>>725502503
bethesda is a public company?

Bethesda makes game exclusively for Boomers suffering from dementia

>>725477740 (OP)
>long way off
Translation: "We hired nothing but women and trannies, and they can't write for shit."

>>725516889
>76

>>725517268
Yup, its literally this.

>>725477740 (OP)
>we need at least 2 more skyrim re-releases before ES6

How long does it take to generate terrain map, copy and paste buildings and trees and add a few NPCs you can talk to?
Its not like quests impact the world in any way in Bethesdashit. The combat is mashing mouse1 against enemies so combat has never been fun either.
Bethesda are hacks.

>>725508476
>it’s the business sides fault
It’s been their less than acceptable pissant creative team at fault for years and years and there is no debating this fact of life. Shitcan and blacklist them all. I hope Microsoft dismantles them systematically for being failures

>>725478339
>Elder's Scrolls VI took a lot of cues from Starfield's game design
That would mean they were working on TESVI at all.
Which Todd explicitly said they would not be doing until after Starfield was finished.

I feel like people keep forgetting that the "announcement" was Todd saying straight to our faces "we know you want this game, and we will make it someday, but we aren't making it now"

>>725514193
Bitmap is permissible but you're on thin ice

Predict the year.
2029.

>>725522037
2032, and it will cement bethesda's death

>>725477864
It'll come out but they 100% have done jack shit so far

>>725478339
Star fields game could be fixed with just a few things
> being able to completely loot characters to underwear
> hot aliens
> a better focus on towns/cities/hubs

>>725498995
Gtao has kept Rockstar afloat awhile now

>>725498995
ESO is one of the largest, and most sucessfull MMOs out there anon.

>>725477740 (OP)
How come nobody has made bethesda type open world rpgs? There's clearly a huge demand.

>>725477740 (OP)
IT

JUST

WORKS

>>725522818
Easy, it takes too much effort, and no game dev wants to do it.

>>725522818
tainted grail

They finally realized they have to try. If they fuck this up, they'll forever become the SquareEnix of the west.

>>725522921
Tainted Grail really isn't like a Bethesda game though. Its more linear, and you do the areas in a specific order.

>>725498995
Me. I have a monthly budget of $1,000 for my boy Todd

>>725477740 (OP)
It's what happens when Pajeetsoft buys you

>>725522921
This as a description captures ES' soul.

>new ES game
>they do the same shit as Fallout 4/76/Starfield
>it's a kill and loot game, base builder game
>you have to build bases and restore civilization like in F4(cuz in this game dragons destroyed them all)
>only 2-3 towns/cities in the game because Bethesda is lazy
The game was probably being developed to be this way until they panicked when everyone saw through their shit with Starfield. Now they actually have to design a world filled with towns and actual NPCs that give you meaningful quests.

>>725523342
>it's a kill and loot game, base builder game
Starfield wasn't a kill and loot game, nor a base builder. Hell, people complains about how useless the base building was since they didn't focus on it at all.

>>725523480
They expect you do to that shit though. There's nothing else to do but land on shitty planets and farm for materials.

So GTA VI is likely 2028.
TES VI has to be later than that. Will probably get internally delayed into the 2030s.

>>725523342
>it's a kill and loot game, base builder game

>>725523884
>They expect you do to that shit though.
They do not.
>There's nothing else to do but land on shitty planets and farm for materials.
Except all the major faction questlines and side quests, which there's a lot of. You can 100% avoid landing on random planets just farming for materials if you want.

>>725522037
The year 100 bajillion after the sun's exploded

>>725478339
They will double down on it harder until retards like it

>>725522037
2076

>>725477740 (OP)
Bethesda game design is so outdated it is not even funny any more
>dumb down casual gameplay with no appeal for the autistic hardcore audience
>not cinematic enough or with good story telling
The only thing they have left is an openworld to explore (fallout and elder scroll are interesting settings) which they also shat the bed hard with Starfield

>>725524308
>dumb down casual gameplay with no appeal for the autistic hardcore audience
Autistic hardcore is like single digit % of gamers.
>not cinematic enough or with good story telling
Cinematic movie games have been near universally dunked on for the last decade+ by even casuals since not even casuals like that shit.

>>725524492
>Autistic hardcore is like single digit % of gamers
That's because the hobby has been taken over by normalfags who don't want anything too hard to make them feel like they're not the best gamer in the world who can totally make it as a twitch streamer

Just let him cook, you're all going to buy it anyway

>>725477740 (OP)
This game should have came out ten years ago at best. We should had an elder scrolls seven by now.

>>725524492
> Autistic hardcore is like single digit % of gamers
Sure that is why fromsoft made flops after flops

>>725524762
If I'm still alive when it actually comes out I will pirate it like I do with every other singleplayer game

>>725479232
>my perfect version
so an ugly buggy mess

>>725483119
share holders

>>725524865
Most Souls-like players don't finish the games, and just lol at dying to bosses 100 times because they suck so much. They aren't playing it to actually partake in the game meaningfully.

>>725483430
microsoft does
hopefully they have enough brains to get someone outside todd and his gang to oversee them

Maybe if they hire 10000 indians, we can then get elder scrolls 6 in 2033. It will be peak.

What's with all the anti-Bethesda shilling recently? None of this seems organic.

So when this game comes out in a few years,
It'll still be the jank Gamebyro/Creation engine.
Disjointed floaty movement and silly slashing animations.

>>725524762
It's a bitter plate when you know what's coming.

>>725525121
They released an anniversary update that was basically just a fuck you to the fans. If you were here a few days ago it was pro-bethesda shilling.

>>725522814
I keep reading this meme but I still have yet to meet one person who plays this shit.

>>725525340
I think it's mostly old dudes with nothing else to play these days

>>725491317
why the fuck are they still keeping him
are him and todd fucking or something?

>>725525340
One of my friends did. It's as milquetoast as you think, can't imagine the kind of "lore" that has calcified since its release.

>>725491317
Emil was not the lead designer on Starfield. Will Shen, the guy who made Far Harbor for Fallout 4 was.

>>725525693
My least favorite FO4 DLC, that makes sense.

>>725525904
Not even good bait.

>>725525993
Not bait, sorry to say

>Starfield farted and sharted and is now abandoned by everyone, it doesnt even have the strong legs that Bethgames usually have during sales
>Elder Scrolls VI has been anounced for almost a decade and all we have is a teaser
>Fallout will probably never be seen until atleast the 2030's, long after the hype for the show has died down
So when the fuck is Microsoft stepping in and giving Bethesda a complete studio takeover, they seem like a complete waste of investment

>>725477740 (OP)
COVID, Starfield flopping, and the Microsoft buyout all fucked up their plans for TES 6.
We'd probably already have TES 6 by now if it weren't for those things. And it would suck, because Starfield sucked and they'd have taken too much inspiration from it. So that's actually a good thing.

>>725526186
Microsoft really has had a hand in nearly every bad thing that's happened in the last little while and I'm not just talking about gaymin

>>725526172
Microsoft is the problem anon. Not the solution. Have you been living under a rock?

Hi guys. Todd here. Lots of exciting stuff here at Bethesda.
First on our roadmap, in just two short years you'll get to play the new, remastered Starfield VR.
In just a few more years, yes, you've all been asking, Fallout 3 remastered. More Fallout episodes to boot.
And we've not forgotten Elder Scrolls. Releasing in 2040, Elder Scrolls Online Remastered.
You're welcome.

>>725477740 (OP)
>Still no ES6
How long has it been now? I swear it feels like this game has been in developer hell longer than Duke Nukem Forever.

>>725526186
>Starfield flopping
Memes
-Was Bethesda's biggest launch ever.
-Top selling game the month it came out.
-Top 10 selling game that year.
-Third most profitable game on Steam in 2023.
-Had more play time, and a higher completion rate, then BG3 by the end of the year, despite BG3 coming out a month earlier.
-Drove the single biggest increase in Gamepass subs ever.
-Remained on Xbox's most played game list for over a year, topping not only Bethesda's other games, but competitors like CP2077, and BG3, as well.
-Has over 15 million players by the end of 2024

>>725526660
I'm here to kick mead and drink ass. And I'm all out of mead

>>725526667
>Believing steamcharts and anything game "journalists" say
ngmi

>>725526615
too real

>>725526775
None of that was from Steam charts.

>>725522037
>Predict the year.
>2029.

What will come first, Elder Scrolls 6 or GRRM's Winds of Winter?

>>725526660
DNF used to be the absolute posterboy for a game in dev hell but today its actually one of the mildest offenders
>DNF: anounced in 97, released in 2011
>had tons of trailers and demos in the time it was anounced
>total time, 14 years between games

meanwhile
>ES6
>anounced in 2018
>all there is is a logo
>15 years since Skyrim
>no release date in sight

>GTA VI
>Anounced 2022 (only because some turboautist leaked the entire game)
>will release in 2026
>15 years since last game (if it doesnt get delayed again)

>Star Citizen
>anounced in 2012
>800 million dollar budget
>still no campaign that was supposed to release in 2016
>still not out of Alpha

this industry is a fucking shitshow

>>725526891
>Third most profitable game on Steam in 2023
???
It's honestly even worse if you got all of that info from journos

>>725527013
ES6 doesn't classify as being in dev hell, since it didn't start development until like last year.

>>725526667
This is certainly possible. Diablo 3 broke all kinds of meme records but it turned to dust in the wind when people actually played it. It's more related to how much people loved the game prior.

So is it confirmed it's still based on the morrowind engine?

>>725527078
Even today Starfield averages around 5,000+ players on its weekly high on Steam. While that may seem low, you have to remember that Starfield has had over 15 million players, but, at most, sales estimates for the game are at 4.5 million at a high end, 3 mil on a low. This means that 70-80% of people playing Starfield are doing so via gamepass. This would mean there's anywhere from 16.6K(low end) - 25K(high end), or probably closer to around 20K people on PC alone still playing it, which is what Fallout 4 manages to pull in. So even 2+ years after release its doing fairly well.

>>725527109
They haven't used Nettimerse(Gamebryo) since Fallout 3.

You know what I think is the reason for the delay. It was because the Elder Scrolls games were THEE open world games back in the day, but now everyone does open world games, meaning Bathesda no longer has their unique selling point anymore.

You all know it to be true, and typical Bethesda flaws will be amplified because so many open world games absolutely mog Skyrim.

>>725527223
I know, there's still tragic souls stuck in Diablo 3. But most people check it out and it dies.

>>725527306
>You know what I think is the reason for the delay
Game was never delayed.
>It was because the Elder Scrolls games were THEE open world games back in the day, but now everyone does open world games, meaning Bathesda no longer has their unique selling point anymore.
What made Bethesda games unique was never that they were open world. It was the immersive aspect of the worlds(being able to go into every house, pick up ever fork, NPCs have actual schedules, etc) which no other game, even today, does besides maybe KCDII.

Every other open world game is still copying the same design principles of San Andreas from 2004, or Far Cry 2 from 2008

>>725478339
That would be for the best. I'm not hopeful though.

>>725487454
>>725484850
>edit link
>change doubt.webp to doubt.png
>it works
heh

>>725527306
>t. underage brown person

>>725487454
Based
Total webpnigger death

>>725493769
Have you even played archolos or project Tamriel which surpassed anything made by Bethesda? Only brown people are waiting for anything made by Bethesda after morrowind

>>725527897
Fuck off troll

>>725527013
I feel like you could also add various indie games to that list. There are games still under pre-alpha despite being a decade old.

So - what are the internal issues facing them?
>1. Huge change of modern politics with a huge swing to right leaning or at least anti-left / anti-woke with huge hits to major titles that could be considered "woke" largely flopping. Not all of course, but the majority, enough to be worrying to shareholders or producers. With huge name youtubers shitting on it and getting millions of views a video supporting them. This caused the originally heavily Hammerfell themes to be questioned by everyone, especially if they perchance placed heavy modern political and racism tones on everything.
>2. Starfield flop. The game was heavily based on Starfield new engine updates and all the things Starfield brought in and now they're questioning it heavily due to how controversial the game was and how poorly it was received and they're scrambling to create new features and remove other features.
>3. Indian Outsourcing Issues. Huge issues in the industry right now with Indian outsourcing as well as rumors floating around places like LinkedIn with Indian outsourcing becoming a thing of the past for developers who know their stuff due to how badly they've been screwing things up with rumors of companies or consultant firms working specifically as "Anti-Indian" fuck up fixing. As a reminder, 27 different companies were outsourced for work on Starfield.
>4. Other. Explain.
>5. All or some of the above.

As long as it gets here eventually. It's an Elder Scrolls game, it's impossible to fuck up.

>>725528925
None of the above.

If starfield had taken everything that is in the game currently, and dropped it all into one, normal, Bethesda style open world map. Like 80% of the complaints would've vanished. The only issue is that a space setting is historically one of the worst you can do, and one of the worst for Bethesda games specifically.

TES6 has only taken so long becuase Bethesda Maryland has one team,and they have basically everyone working on one project at a time. Since skyrim they've done Fallout 4, helped the Austin studio on 76, and made Starfield, which means they've only just recently started making TES6.

>>725529331
I do not believe that at all considering how much outsourcing work was done with Starfield. I mean; 45 minutes of fucking credits? Come the fuck on.

>>725528925
>rumors of companies or consultant firms working specifically as "Anti-Indian" fuck up fixing.
I NEED more info about this AND I NEED it to be true!

>>725478339
Lmao, no they're just lazy as fuck dude. They haven't even started ES6. I'll never forget that fucking trailer they did with ultra basic mountain renderings everyone went crazy for.

I had a friend freaking out over it and I was like "it's literally just a statement they're working on it, we already knew that"
He tried to tell me we didn't know they were working on lmao. I sent him an interview from over a year earlier where Todd said "of course we're working on ES6"

The trailer meant literally, literally fucking nothing but everyone went crazy for it. Fuckin rubes, will they ever learn?

>>725478212
it's already 11th, post it

>>725477740 (OP)
And after all these years it's going to be about redguards for the sole reason of filling it with current day real world politics. Enjoy.

>>725529509
>They haven't even started ES6.
Not him, but they started on TES6 after Starfield came out.

>>725514478
Fuck off Emil.

>>725529420
And if you actually look it that list, its all just texture work. The outsourcing had nothing to do with quest design, or gameplay.

>>725529679
Proof?

Obsidian won

>>725529679
>texture work
Might explain why the game was so ugly. Half of, if not all, of the NPCs straight up looked like burn victims.

>>725529746
lmao

im surprised todd hasnt been shanked yet.

>>725529737
Look at the credits list, and what they are listed as having worked on.

>>725477740 (OP)
Todd knows it doesn't have a chance considering how Starfield did, so he's putting it off as long as possible.
The good news is it's taking so long it might even release at a time where woke is seen as poison even by companies, so ES6 might even avoid being set in Hammerfell, or at least avoid making it into some cringe Tamriel Wakanda.

>>725527013
Wow there mister, I think you're mistaken, Star Citizen isn't in development hell, it's a scam.

Skyrim was the perfect game that came out at the perfect time.
Despite how lackluster it was in many regards it was a solid foundation in a very aesthetically pleasing setting with great lore to theorycraft with.
Skyrim is only as culturally relevant as it is because of its modding scene, and Bethesda knows it, since Starfield was basically designed to be modded and built on as a “forever game” similar to how Skyrim became a forever game organically because of mods.
It seems that for the last decade Bethesda has just become the Fallout studio. Fallout got a game in 2015, then another in 2018 that is still being updated, then a tv show. Elder scrolls has gotten 1 teaser trailer 7 in 14 years and that’s it. Being a fan of the Elder Scrolls is suffering unless you like MMO slop that isn’t even made by Bethesda

>>725529978
> Elder scrolls has gotten 1 teaser trailer 7 in 14 years and that’s it.
this ignores that Elder scrolls has an active MMO that's been getting multiple content update a year for the last 11 years. Not to mention Castles, Legends, and Baldes. TEs has gotten more content in the last decade then Fallout has

>>725529978
>in a very aesthetically pleasing setting

>>725477740 (OP)
>Arena 1994
>Daggerfall 1996
>Battlespire 1997
>Redguard 1998
>Morrowind 2002
>Oblivion 2006
>Skyrim 2011
>VI Sometime after 2025
There is literally no excuse for this.

>>725530083
>MMO

HAHAHAHAHA

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES RETARD NOT METERED UPDATES

>>725530083
The MMO isn't worked on by Bethesda, and it's canon is dubious.

>>725477740 (OP)
plot twist: it's cause they are updating the engine.

>>725484348
>Starfield's getting more DLC
It's getting DLCs?

>>725530148
>and it's canon is dubious.
There is nothing dubious about its canon. Both Bethesda and Zenimax have said its canon
>The MMO isn't worked on by Bethesda,
Fallout 76 isn't being worked on by Bethesda Maryland(Todd's Crew). Neither is the TV show, so, going by this logic, that poster is still wrong about how much content Fallout has gotten.

>>725529746
I want Obsidian that made FNV back...
I also want Arkane that made Dishonored 1 and Prey (2017) back too

Howdy. Rodd Boward.
I for one love Bethesda and I'm super excited for Fallout 4: Anniversary Edition, the Fallout show on Prime, Fallout 3 Remastered, Doom Year Zero, Skyrim Special Ultimate Anniversary Edition Remastered and Starfield 2.
Gaming has never been better.

>>725530139
>Daggerfall
>Good
>two shit games
>Morrowind
>good
>two shit games
6 Confirmed to be absolute kino.

>>725530142
If we aren't coutning "meted updates" then
>>725529978
> Fallout got a game in 2015, then another in 2018 that is still being updated
Fallout didn't get a "game" in 2018 that's still being updated.

>>725525121
Anti-Bethesda...shilling?
Saaar what are they shilling saaar? please respond DO NOT INGNORE SAAR

>>725492263
Damn! That was him in 2008?? He lost some weight

>>725514478
So we should appeal to these people more? Retard.

Will I at least get to be in the credits posthumously?

>>725525121
its the natural fatigue of dealing bethesda's dogshit. dont tell me you actually thought the ragebaiting threads with the chadface f3 vs chudface nv were anything but a jeet poster farming (you)s?

The real reason is they don't have to release anything, they aren't hurting for money because people keep buying what they already have out there.

I HATE BETHESDA

How much longer can this industry last where major players are taking literal decades to make games? Your player base that got invested in elder scrolls due to oblivion or skyrim are literally dying off by now

>>725530693
i truly fear this madman might just drop a update for New Vegas when the new season premieres

>>725530807
see >>725530667

There are simply too many consumers out there today who are willing to throw money at companies without any thought or care for the quality of the product they are buying, why do you think remasters have washed across the industry like a plague of locusts? A company like Bethesda (or Rockstar with GTA6) feels no pressure to make their next big game because of how much money they make from selling you their old ones.

You can see in this very thread examples of the mentally ill who prop up embarrassments like Starfield and make them monetary successes, why the fuck would they hurry up with their next Elder Scrolls game with people like that feeding them money?

>>725530807
why that one stocking too short

>>725479367
there are teenage gamers out there who were but sperm in some dudes balls when skyrim was released
bethesda is extremely lucky skyrim is so huge, only they and rockstar can get away with this shit

>>725487454
Insanely based. Fuck .webp

>>725525693
Go and update Wikipedia, retard.

>>725531367
>only
Not so fast

>>725526667
Bethesda used to be a studio that made games they could endlessly milk and re-release. Starfield is not one of those games. Starfield is a flop relative to Bethesda's general performance.
You're stupid for not understanding that.

>>725487454
>>725529486
webp is the better format

I remember when Skyrim released and even some girls I knew who never played any PC games started playing it and even modding it. I remember helping out a girl who didn't know she could sell junk to vendors and just walked slowly overencumbered lol.
Starfield was such a wet fart in comparison.
TES6 will be even worse.
You are witnessing a walking corpse, a zombie company going through the same motions as when it was alive, but it's all for naught. It will finally stop moving and die for good very soon.

>>725531563
I don't like you

Fallout 3 and Skyrim are riddled with major design issues and their RPG systems are bunk, but at least they physically feel "nice" to play.

Fallout 4 and Starfield feel disgusting and heavy. When you move, your characters animations are delayed, and take time to "catch up to you" when you stop.
The transition from the PS3/360 era to the PS4/whatever era for Bethesda was truly grim.

>>725531528
They're still making DLC for Starfield, and Starfield's verified creations in the Creations program have been making a lot of cash on paid mods, which Bethesda takes a cut of.

>>725526947
ES6, not even a real question
you're not seeing winds until fat fuck croaks and they hire someone else to do it

>>725477740 (OP)
>Game made in short development time is a rushed game
>Game made in long development time is a refined game
>Game that takes too long to develop is in a development hell, and it's always going to be in a worse state than a rushed game
Shit like this never resulted with a good game, whenever it gets released, regardless of how much time they spend cleaning up a turd, this shit is just going to be dead on arrival

>>725528925
1 is mostly a nonissue if handled correctly - and maybe including high rock like some hopium addicts believe
the only thing I really see as a quandary is on how they reference the situation in skyrim. I imagine any pro stormcloak stuff is pretty verboten nowadays with how that was such a proxy political fight

>>725493769
>I don't care just give me the sloooop!
I fucking hate you retards. The industry is shit because gamers are like this. You get what you deserve.

>>725477740 (OP)
I really don't understand people who still play Bethesda goyslop.

>>725477740 (OP)
>sitting on a guaranteed hit
>release three complete shit games that nobody wanted in the past 14 years
I genuinely don't understand it. Do they straight up just lack the talent to even develop the game at this point?

>"crunch le bad! we need dispassionate jobber developers who can't put in long hours to make a classic!"
>everyone when every game afterwards takes literally 10 years to make:

>>725532330
trvke
there will still be 100 posts complaining that they fell for it again though

>>725532639
Starfield was his dream project, let him have fun chud

>>725477740 (OP)
Bethesda hasn't made a good game in 20 years.
Literally who but the most nostalgia mind-raped individuals stuck in the 00s still care for Bethesda?
Why?

>>725483119
>Then why the fuck did they even bother teasing
stock price must ever increase

>>725477740 (OP)
If the game ever comes out, it will still look like an upscaled ps3 game at best, just like Starfield. Yeah, I know graphics "don't matter" but the fact that every 3d Bethesda game looks like a generic steam asset flip, expecting everyone to mod them in order for it to actually look good shouldn't be acceptable anymore. Bethesda fans have the lowest fucking standards.

>>725533335
>but the fact that every 3d Bethesda game looks like a generic steam asset flip
You've never actually look at Steam asset flips have you?

>>725526947
Scam Citizen hits 1.0

>>725528851
You can add Sims 5 to that list because their live service concept got suicided a while back in favor of more furniture packs in 4. Exanima/Sui Generis is the other example.

>>725515274
oy, you got a loicense for that gun, m8?

>>725477740 (OP)
They're just waiting for AI to get good enough. They probably haven't recorded a single line of dialogue yet in VA

>>725484348
>while it's community is thriving.
Even Todd doesn't believe that. Creation Club isn't considered the community when you have to pay to enter their walled garden.

>>725533735
Not him but
A. Creation Club doesn't exist anymore
B. Getting in isn't about paying ,its about submitting mods for Bethesda to look at

>>725477740 (OP)
We boughted not enough Skyrim...

>>725479367
15 times the wait time!

>>725477740 (OP)
It started with skyrim, they know people are stupid now.
They barely put any work in it (LAZY AS SHIT) and yet made billions.
There is no way out. It's over.

>games take more and more time to make
>starfield took like what, 6 or 7 years to make
>it only came out 2 years ago
>we all know fallout was next in line after the release of starfield
meaning, the next fallout is going to come out in like 4 or so years. and the next ES game is coming out 6-7 years after that

>>725478339
This, they 100% wanted to AI generate TES6 like they did with Shitfield, then saw everyone clown on the game and had to suddently remake most of tes6 along with their shit engine.

behold, the f3 jeet. he's having a melty right now. todd's strongest warrior.
>>725527389

>Todd will most likely retire after TESVI
We used to joke about this but it's increasingly becoming reality.

>>725533864
>starfield took like what, 6 or 7 years to make
This is a misconception. Bethesda have said the reason Starfield took so long was because it took more time then they originally expected to upgrade the engine. The actual development of the game was the same 4sh year cycle as thier past games.

>we all know fallout was next in line after the release of starfield
This is just demonstrably bullshit. Bethesda has said numerous time before Starfield came out that TES6 was next.

>>725534015
>This is just demonstrably bullshit. Bethesda has said numerous time before Starfield came out that TES6 was next.
source it up bud

>>725534083
>They've literally talked about how they're working on TEs6 right now.
No way you can be this fucking ignorant.

>>725478339
yep lol

https://frvr.com/blog/starfield-designer-says-sci-fi-rpg-still-a-great-game-but-procedural-generation-stopped-fallout-elder-scrolls/

>>725534083
https://www.polygon.com/elder-scrolls-6-tes6-update-todd-howard/
>Howard revealed that, while hundreds of people are still working on quasi-MMO Fallout 76, The Elder Scrolls 6 is the "everyday thing," development-wise.
>The process is apparently far enough along that Bethesda did a "big play test" recently. The team took the opportunity to examine what was in the game, what it still needed, and where the development process is at, Howard says.

I can't even imagine where you got the idea Fallout was next after starfield

>>725493661
Kurt Kuhlman is gone
There's nobody who worked on the old lore left
We're in pure Emil territory

>>725478339
You're delusional.
Completely out of touch with reality.
They'll take everything that DIDN'T work from Saarfield and everything people hated and triple-down on it in TES6.

Why? Because that is what Bethesda does. And I assure you, it will mostly be AI generated with more Indians in the credits than on a train headed to Bangladesh.

>>725534261
>Kurt Kuhlman is gone
I still think Courtney Love did it honestly

>>725529746
there a mod to make these guys white yet?

>>725514478
>optimize the fun out of a game
You must be lost, Reddit is that way

>>725484348
LMAO

>>725534291
Probably already got removed

>>725477740 (OP)
ES6 is like Bethesda's last chance at redemption. They need to have their asscheeks clinched in fear of it not being perfect and take their time with it. If I catch a whiff of diversity from it, it's a no-buy from me. I fell for the Starfield con. Fooled me once, shame on me. Won't get me twice.

>>725479232
That statement is true, by the way. Bethesda has historically announced the release dates of their games like a month before they came out. They just come out of fucking nowhere. Starfield was sort of an exception because that happened during the whole Microsoft issue. MS might make them announce sooner. But Bethesda always went for the surprise release

>>725533914
He's selfbumping now. Its like a nature documentary, he's now spreading his shit onto every prior post that said something he didnt like as if to remark his territory. fascinating in its primal simplicity. Nobody say anything, you'll spook him.

>>725482385
I don't know. There's like 10x more fantasy-setting swords-and-spells RPGs than there are space RPGs. I'd much rather be working on the space one. I'm pretty tired of fantasy settings at this point.

>>725527389
Lol I was in that thread for a while and now I wish I stuck around longer

>>725498995
Boomer NPCs

>>725534906
it just boggles the mind. its like watching a monkey rub its fecal matter all over its cage.

>>725535005
Type of thing you remember at midnight years later after you've moved on in life and it stops you from falling asleep except it'd be worse since everything is archived now

From a business perspective, it pisses me off to no end that a company threw two golden egg geese out the fucking window: The Elder Scrolls and Fallout. How can you fuck that up so bad? It was all right there, the path was clear, the demand for it never ends. You have infinite stories to fill your world with and infinite money to power the tech to bring them to life. It's just insane to me. Improve the new iteration a bit and release, repeat, everyone is happy. That was it. But no, they gotta be fucking retards about it because of big head syndrome and hubris.

>>725477740 (OP)
why didn't this stupid company go bankrupt after starfield!!! why why why

>>725477740 (OP)
>>725478339
No one has mentioned the real reason: TES6: Hammerfell was going to be Muh Elduh Skools with the nigger worship cranked up to 11. The culture changed, MS (like TakeTwo) watched a fuckload of woke shit flop and got cold feet and, like TakeTwo, demanded their golden studio rework the whole fucking thing soas to not be the next laughing stock. Bethesda didn't pick Hammerfell for no reason, right in the middle of the Floyd riots, to make the next game. They thought this was going to be the future, and they were wrong. Todd and Bethesda would probably happily release it anyway, because if you know anything about Rockville, MD, you know it's full of white guilt cucks who would love to play as a badass nigger with a magical sword killing nords and altmer. The conceptual stuff released so far has dialed the black aspects of Redguard way up and completely removed the Arab aspects. This is what Todd and Beth wanted, but MS and Phil want a game that's not embarrassing for once.

>>725526615
There's still time for another Skyrim re-release. Not being an ass, I like Skyrim and would probably buy it.

>>725527076
Everyone says shit like this, but assets and ideation are always being accumulated, even if they're not expensed to the right project. Stuff that was made before Skyrim will eventually find its way into TES6.

If I see a review that mentions the game has loading screens to enter small rooms Im just never gonna touch it.

They should ditch their gamebryo engine and switch to unreal 5

I don't know what people were expecting.
The main studio was working on Starfield so the new TES wouldn't release until a good 5-6 years after Starfield, we are still 3-4 years away at least. This was completely obvious.
The trailer was just that, a 10sec cgi to to have something for a very weak E3.

>>725535741
I do hope this is a meme post, because the engine has fuck all to do with it, and Unreal is one of the worst engines for large open world games.

>>725535823
is theres an unreal 5 game that requires player to watch a black screen to enter a room with 1 npc?

>>725477740 (OP)
It's been 14 years let it die
No way it would be good after shitfield

>>725535870
IS there an Unreal 5 game that has the same kind of world simulation that Bethesda games have that also has no load screens? No. because the engine isn't the issue, its game design.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3646460/Devil_Spire_Falls/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1082970/Archaelund/
To me these are the real Elder Scrolls 6. Daggerfall-gameplay, real roleplaying, that exploration we've all come to love. To anyone still waiting for TES 6, do yourself a favor and play these games I listed instead. I promise you will be happy and get your money's worth x10.

>>725534010
Probably, but it's reasonable. Todd's been in a leadership position since 2002 or so, I don't know how many years as a worker before that. A "solid" career is 30 years, and he's in year 23 at least, has a lot of money and fame, already made his dream game, and there's nothing but risk on the horizon. He could check out tomorrow and have enough money to fund Starfield side projects for the rest of his life.

>>725535934
No sane person would intentionally design a game that requires starfields loading screens
they're there because of technical debt

>>725536026
>No sane person would intentionally design a game that requires starfields loading screens

https://www.videogamer.com/features/former-skyrim-lead-defends-bethesda-loading-screens-necessary-bane/
>While Nesmith understands the wish to have a completely seamless world, the long-time Bethesda designer explained that it’s just not feasible for the type of RPGs the studio makes. Segmented areas and loading screens, however short, allow the games to keep track of item placement and detailed physics that stay put after you leave, giving players a permanent mark on the world around them.
>“Everybody who complains about them assumes that it’s done because we’re lazy or we don’t want to follow the modern thinking on stuff,” the designer calmly explained. “The reality is the Bethesda games are so detailed and so graphics intensive… you just cant have both present at the same time.”
>Nesmith explained that the studio has tried methods to hide loading or to make streaming more seamless, but that it leads to massive issues with performance hitching being a major issue that just makes the games worse to play.
>“I can’t have the interiors of all these places loaded at the same time as the exteriors. That’s just not an option,” he explained. “And all the fancy tricks for streaming and loading and all that, you end up with hitching. So you’re actually better off stopping the game briefly, doing a loading screen and then continuing on.”
>“If you make a game that has less going on, it’s a tighter experience and not a [true] open-world experience. So it’s just one of those necessary evils, as it were, it’s not that anybody at Bethesda ever wanted to do it. We just didn’t have a choice, really, if the game was going to have the experience we wanted it to have.”

>>725536102
>The reality is the Bethesda games are so detailed and so graphics intensive
eat shit already
ofc they come up with excuses for Todd snorting too much coke anally and making poor decisions about what engine to use

>>725535870
NTA maybe not, but there's a fuckload of UE5 games that play and look like complete ass. Oblivion Remastered is a perfectly germane example. Why the fuck would you think switching to UE5 is a solution?

>>725535986
>early access slop
Grim

>>725536026
what is zoom zoom's issue with loading screens? We've had them for 30 years and now I'm supposed to get mad?

>>725536287
>Oblivion Remastered
its not a full remaster
it uses the old engine underneat while unreal 5 handles graphics

>>725530268
Son, I like the cut of your jib.

>generate terrain
>slap some quests and NPCs into it with a terrible combat system
>this takes 20 years pls understand
>the final product won't even be optimized
>modders will have fixed it in a week

>>725536390
and yet they are the only company in the world capable of producing this type of game, curious.

>>725479232
>>725492036
>>725534709

>>725536491
>they are the only company in the world capable of producing this type of game

>>725536574
what else is there? early access pixel slop? Avalon slop that completely breaks after 1 single chapter? Obsidian games that are even more static than cyberpunk? Nothing can compete.

/v/'s hate for Bethesda is so hilariously performative, we all know you'll buy TESVI on release and play it for hundreds of hours.

>>725536574
theres like youtuber supported idea that skyrim clones are hard to make so no one does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFfVPfuEDA

>>725536646
>Avalon slop
Someone made a game based on the Mists of Avalon lol

>>725536574
He's right. Skyrim is the most popular and best selling RPG ever, yet there are ZERO fucking copy-cats, clones, TES-like or Skyrim-like. The fact is that Bethesda games are far too risky to make unless you're Bethesda. Which is why everyone opted for copying easy shit Dark Souls.

>>725536729
Not likely it will never be made they'll just keep rereleaseing games fuck its been over a decade with no new elders scrolls it'll be over a decade from now to knew fallout game. To be clear I won't buy jack shit they make likely ever again. Look at the garbage that is fallout 4 shit story update for the worse again and again all you need to know how bethesda works is seeing how many of there games even off fucking launch.

>>725536729
many people itt probably played starfield
some might've even played f76

Fallout 4 was over a decade ago
Skyrim 14

Its not even recency bias at this point, you have to be a historian to remember the good bethesda games

>>725477740 (OP)
>tfw Todd's already 56 and TES6 is likely going to be his last game
I was 12 when Skyrim came out, and it is so weird to see this man progressively get older and older with every E3/SGF

>>725536890
I must've imagined every franchise since 2011 copying skyrim from Final Fantasy to Assassin's creed and goddamn Harry Potter

>>725537347
>blaming skyrim for the ubisoft open world slop infecting every game
AC2 released in 2009 btw.

>>725517739
People have goldfish memory.
This announcement had only one purpose - on the same day they showed this, they also show some shitty ass mobile skyrim - they just didn't want to get roasted like blizzard which shown only mobile diablo few months back

>>725537347
What did they copy exactly? Don't tell me that you are so young that you thought Skyrim invented open-world games.

>>725536303
Both devs have a track record of finishing their previous early access games, and the games are in a perfectly playable state as they are. I played Archaelund for 200 hours and I played Devil Spire Falls for 30.

>>725477740 (OP)
Fallout 5 will release before TES VI because of the at show and normies.

>>725477740 (OP)
aren't we supposed to not listen to Todd's lies?

>>725477740 (OP)
Why would you even be anticipating this game or any game from this studio after that fucking shit show called Star Field?

>>725477740 (OP)
yeah thats why i dont buy any of their garbage
next thread

>>725477740 (OP)
those ladders better be climbable this time

>>725537594
>>725537457
Everything from this specific map design to combat direction, quest design, scenario arrangement, skill trees, NPC behavior, etc, etc, all was copied from Skyrim. AC, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, GTA, Horizon, God of War, jrpgs and Chink gacha, everyone copied Skyrim. Skyrim was the root of it all.

>>725485796
Oh that's right, I forgot about all the gun mechanics in Skyrim and Oblivion! Good catch anon!

>release on game every 25 years so every generation has their own skyrim
why not, what could go wrong, money doesn't seem to be an issue for them

>>725537184
>many people itt probably played starfield
Considering the replies in this thread and the Starfield shitposting threads, no.

>>725477740 (OP)
SaarField made him lose all hope. He's having to redo everything.

>>725539348
Are you high? None of those were copied from Skyrim, especially not combat direction or NPC behaviour. Shadow of Mordor, God of War, jrpgs and chink gachas especially have nothing to do with Skyrim.

>>725531563
...on opposite day

>>725477740 (OP)
GTA6 will be the last AAA game released before everything is replaced by AI slop. There will be no ESVI. It's not feasible anymore for games to take 10 years and cost 10 billion dollars.

>>725536326
Weird, you mean to tell me adding UE5 to Oblivion made it both run and look worse? Than a game that came out nearly 20 years ago? And this is supposed to fix Bethesda's other games??? Consider that UE has been a licensable engine since 2001 or so, and yet no one has done >>725536890 and indeed, people only use it for 3rd-P action slop. There's one example of a good open world UE4/5 game (S2) and it doesn't have nearly the persistence or interactibility of GB/CE. I was going to write that there's two examples, the other being Genshin, but chat tells me it's made in lol Unity. Let that sink in - a crappy mobile-centric engine does open worlds better than UEX.

>>725478339
I doubt that

I think they will double down on the generated content, now utilising AI gibs from microsoft and invidia (based on morrowind facelift they showed couple of years ago)

Cuz, like, nigga, why do dem diddybluds need to develop a game where they can AI generate one instead, and it's not going to flop because they still have much of their public image left?

>>725540767
schizobabble

>>725477740 (OP)
>>725477740 (OP)
They need to force their staff to replay Morrowind at least for the writing and sense of wonder/vibe check. Make that the mark, in terms of writing and vibe for the next ES game. Hell force them to replay it using openMW and this modlist which includes Tamriel Rebuilt : https://modding-openmw.com/lists/total-overhaul/

I'm playing that right now and here's a salty fun fact, you can buy slaves. And oh boy is the racism supreme. Since morrowind i really don't think an elder scrolls game is an elder scrolls game without excessive racism and racism actually impacting the player. Not to mention that cherry on top of classism.

Basically Morrowind was the last game that didn't treat the player like a 12 year old with a learning disability who was watching some PBS program. It's main problem was too many simple fetch quests, non interactive environments, NPCs without schedules, combat, basically stuff fixed with modern tech/scripting. Now many of those fetch quests had good writing, but due to technical limitations/time the interactions wasn't great, the options for solving them...not great. Which is why people would say oblivion had great quests because of the unique ways of interacting with those quests (stealth, physics systems, the painting, following the NPC on their schedule, poisoning etc)

For example instead of scrapping the journal system from morrowind.....take the journal system from the India Jones game and SLAM THAT SHIT right into the next elder scrolls game. Holy fuck the level of KINO would be supreme....that and getting denied/charged more for services/products from vendors depending on my characters race, come on bethesda dont pussy out, have a check flag or something that says "morrowind level racism" at game start.

>>725539624
Having played a game doesn't preclude you from shitposting. It's the good thing about anonimity: you can praise a game in a thread and then shit on it in the next thread while still having hundreds of hours on Steam.

why the fuck is game dev in general taking so much longer and yet it seems the content is more bare bones now?

>>725541265
instead of 30h games with low fidely they're making 100h games with high fidelity, more features, pristine presentation and DEI checklists

>>725541265
Bureucracy

>>725541249
Nobody said you can't shitpost about a game you like or don't like anon. You can still tell whether someone has played a game or not regardless. It's clear most here haven't.

>>725477740 (OP)
I'm not ever buying or playing any game made by filthy stinky poojeets.

Todd should make ES with gacha

>>725478339
Don't forget that this was in development during 2020. Im sure the original idea was going to be pushing DEI bullshit like ass creed. Now that they see that is on the way out, they are probably removing sections or the game

>>725541265
>why the fuck is game dev in general taking so much longer and yet it seems the content is more bare bones now?
Stop what you're doing right now and calculate how much energy you use all year. Now, compare that to how much wood you would have to burn to generate that much energy. Calculate how much meat you eat all year and compare that to how much meat there is in a single cow or moose. Calculate how much water you use all year and compare that to the flux per second of your closest large river.

You'll find that these numbers are all actually very small, and yet people believe it cannot be achieved without an enormous industry for each. The reason is that 99% of the people in those industries aren't actually delivering energy/food/water to you, and a good 90% aren't even doing anything tangentially related to that. The extra time & money spent to deliver you the equivalent of 1/3 of a cow and 8 felled trees and less than a minute of river water, is given to slobs so that they don't resort to crime.

Making games isn't in any way a task for a single person, but any heacount above 100 is certainly waste.

>>725541220
Same vibe for VTM:B. I'm playing the sequel right now and it's sooooo rounded off.

>>725478339
wishful thinking