Thread 725654810

>>725654810 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKrKTwtukE

>Thin and light custom pancake lenses provide edge-to-edge sharpness and a large eye box. Optics feature 2160 x 2160 LCD panels, one per eye. Supported refresh rates are 72-144Hz.

what's the point of this low resolution shit?

>Steam controller 2 is real
Yippie!!

>>725654810 (OP)
>steam machine
>4k 60fps
that apple/sony tier bullshitting
you mean 4k 60fps in 15 year old games that are 2D, pc gaming isnt supposed to do this bullshit marketing, give specs niggers

headset used LCD, not OLED

disappointed

Thread will be too fast. No one knows im a gay Jewish mulato that only plays games on Mac

is it standalone only? I don't see display port
which isn't a dealbreaker, because you can stream shit wirelessly

>>725655532
It’s wireless. There’s only so much data you can send wirelessly without the headset feeling like an oven on your eyes

>>725655847
Mutts, jeets and trannies love worshipping valve and gaben though.

Where's the cable?
Don't tell me that thing is wireless only.

no oled, no buy
even psvr1/psvr2 is oled

WE DON'T WANT VR GOD DAMN IT

>>725655931
It is and it uses some retarded USB dongle
How much can you transport over newest USB standard? Surely not enough for that res at 144hz without massive compression

>>725656039
the fuck you want then? Literally what do you want out of steam hardware if you've already got a PC you dumb nigger

>>725655931
yeah looks like it's streaming only, a shame

>>725656120
>the fuck you want then?
video games

>USB connection
LMAO they literally needed to do ONE thing just ONE (1) thing, make a displayport port on the headset. Without it, it's just yet another headset. Might as well buy Pico 4 Ultra, what's the difference

>>725654810 (OP)
>troon in the video background

>>725656212
This one can play NON VR games in VR like a big TV!(same thing that virtual desktop, SteamVR and Airlink can already do on any VR headset that supports these)

>>725656120
SteamOS for the desktop use.

>>725656212
based retard. it's a wireless headset with the usb-c cable purely for charging. your computer just streams the game to it.

So the googles are only wireless?

>>725654810 (OP)
guys HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED

>>725656120
I want Deck 2 or more Steam controllers you stupid ass. Stop shoving VR down everyone's throat it's over nobody cares.

Steam Machine is just a retardproof PC that normies can buy and plug in and it just werks like a console - am I getting this right?

>>725656362
HOLY SHIT

>>725655532
>LCD

Thirdies where we at

I'm confused. is this just Valve Index 2?
Why not call it Index 2? wtf?

>>725656370
>or more Steam controllers
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller

>>725656385
It seems like it'll be this, but if you want a PC then you can also get that out of it since they show a guy coding on it. Probably a more desktop like environment of the Steam Deck OS where that had a normal PC set up but only for fucking with files and it was shit.

>>725656362
What happens if you press the half life button?

>>725656352
Looks like it.
Going from the Vive to a Quest 3, I'd rather stay wireless.

>>725656351
and that's why it's shit
wired will always be superior to streaming for image quality

>>725655532
What's the FoV? PIMAX 12K does like 200 FOV

>>725655767
4k 60 isn't that hard nowadays. It's the equivalent of running a game at 1440p 90.
Snoy put 4k/120 on their box.

>>725656492
being pedantic it really is quite different
>standalone "console" (can run its own games OR stream from PC, like a quest)
>inside-out headset (instead of needing lighthouses)

>>725656546
Unforeseen consequences.

>>725656370
nobody cares about the steam deck either lmao

>>725656606
4k 60 without DLSS as this is some AMD fuckery again plus it looks half as big as PS5
this shit is going to suck AGAIN

>>725656493
>Touchpads
>TMR sticks
based

>>725655931
>>725656162
I was hoping Valve's new headset would be the end-all for "what headset do I buy" and it turns out it's so far down the list it's WORTHLESS

WHY

>>725656370
they already said theres not going to be a deck 2 for quite some time

I'm sure they'll make some great VR games now!

>>725656694
We all care about the best handheld ever made.

>>725656493
yeah i'm in brazil so i'm not risking it on valve's latest RMA machine (frame) even though i'm itching for a nextgen headset, but i am 100% getting a controller.
i have rsi so thumbpads are a godsend

>>725656639
Thank you for making me laugh like a dummy on this cold winter day, anon

H (CENSORED) SOON sticker in the video

IT"S ACTUALLY HAPPENING

>>725656589
then just play the games on the vr headset itself. it's a standalone system that doesn't need wires or streaming unless you want that for some reason.

So, no body tracking? Or can you use the old setup for that?

>>725656872
It's November.

>>725656493
Finally we got the GOAT controller.

>>725656904
Pics or it didn't happen

>>725656790
hl3 is supposedly being announced as a release title and it'll be pancake+vr.
problem is that VR will then have a grand total of TWO games (hl alyx and hl three)

>>725656492
Seems more like a sidegrade than an upgrade with it being wireless only.

>>725656351
We already have those, dumbass. What we don't have is a wireless headset WITH a displayport. You need it to play sitdown cockpit games, racing games look like shit when streaming. If you're racing in a forest, the foliage will often just be a mess of pixels

>>725654810 (OP)
Kinda funny how with the Index controllers, they made a big deal out of being different from and supposedly better than Oculus Touch and the more standard VR controller design- you wear them instead of holding them, finger tracking instead of grip buttons, and so on.
And now with the Frame controllers it's basically
>ok fine, we'll just do what all the other VR players are doing

>>725654810 (OP)
she's just like me

>>725656120
'eck 2

>>725656983
Its not the same as others because it has all the buttons as a normal controller finally.

>pancake lenses
>eye tracking and fov rendering
>2k per eye
kek its already better than meta quest 3, if its the same price then valve just killed the current line of quest headsets
although thats more a message about how shit the meta quest 3 is

>>725656492
Not really, if it was an index upgrade it wouldn't have a stupid phone attached to it, this is more like an oculus quest alternative

>>725656546
You can't. A life is a life you can't say it's only a half-life

>>725657036
Grey Talon redesign?

>>725657036
She looks like me... She's built like me...
I... thank you.

>>725657036
literally me

Why only 8GB VRAM and RDNA3? Unless FSR4 is being back ported to 3, why not go for RDNA4 and 12GB VRAM? Would help with heavy games and actually allow for some 4K (upscaled) at a decent framerate and picture quality

>>725656921
THERE IS SNOW ON THE GROUND

>>725657036
>no top strap
Get those women with big hair OUT of the design room. VR always needs a top strap, every time they tried to remove it, they end up bringing it back

Interesting despite the inside out tracking. I'd get one just to fuck around with desktop Linux in VR.
What's the price going to be?

>>725655917
it's a pico 4. it'll look worse than a HP reverb from 2019. It's terrible.

>>725656912
oh sure let me run my modded to fuck Skyrim VR on the system with 8gb of vram
>>725657075
they'll probably have straps that are like the Index ones for the Frame controllers so you can wear them with your hands and fingers at rest

>>725657257
Console specs for a console price

>>725657435
how much is it?

>>725654810 (OP)
So it's a VR shitbox? Why is Valve so insistent on pushing this dog shit meme tech? It has no games and is just the current generations Move/Kinect/motion controls, PC edition. Nobody prefers this over playing with KBM on a 1440p 144hz OLED monitor with a good PC.

>>725656983
>https://youtu.be/dU3ru09HTng?t=343
They come with the straps and have the same touch sensors as the Index controllers.

>>725657257
AMD has yet to actually release any RDNA4 mobile chips. The ones that are out now are just RDNA3.5 GPUs with the pointless NPUs slapped on.

>>725657339
Yeah but it'll also be half the price. R-right??

>>725657550
I paid 250 for my Reverb G2. Can't even get a Quest at this price anymore.

>>725655532
That's amazing for a wireless set

>>725657339
Still better than my Rift S paperweight

Why haven't they listed prices?

>>725657531
>controller and head straps sold separately
Gabe "the 30%" Newell strikes again. These are mandatory "accessories". How the fuck are you going to play Beat Saber and now throw a controller at a wall at least once without a strap

>>725657698
they're waiting for the HL3 announcement (next week for sure)

>>725657095
>HL3
>SOON tm
bros?...

>>725657820
>wojack
Opinion discarded. Go back to youtube

>>725657859
>>725657820

>>725655926
You just described all of /v/

>resolution just barely better than quest 3
>fov not better than quest 3
>no true pcvr
>controllers are just oculus touch controllers now, no grip sensors
>cool headphone/audio features are gone
>will probably cost $1K because valve won't eat costs like meta does

Is there ANY reason to choose this over a quest 3? I genuinely can't see one.

>>725655532
The Quest showed that the big market is releasing standalone VR headsets catering to third world poorfags who can't afford high end VR headsets powered by gaming PCs

That D-Pad is atrocious

I don't want to say I'm underwhelmed but this is exactly what was leaked years ago. It's nice to get specs but zero surprises is meh.

Also
>No prices yet
Fearful.

>>725654810 (OP)
HOW ARE WE FEELING BROS?

Why should I get a Steam controller over my existing XBone one?

>>725657820
>only $599
Kek, this feels like it will be $899 minimum.

>>725657531
>talks about basic shit like wi-fi dongles and foveated rendering like valve invented it
so... this is just a pico 4? Not even pico 4 ultra because it doesn't do MR stuff?

>>725657959
It has finger tracking.

>>725658089
Anyone denying it at this point is shitposting.

>>725658128
Why? This isn't even better than Quest 3

>>725658067
The Meta 3 is $500, if Valve sells it for the same or less they've already won
modern VR hardware is a fucking joke

>>725656090
4k 120hz can require UP TO 48gbs, with the actual requirement varying depending on the bitrate being used. USB 4.0 can handle 40gbs. The VR screen is only 2k though, and it has that eyetracking thing to optimize the bitrate, so the USB is absolutely not going to be a bottleneck.

Oh sure valve, just fuck up the VR controller ecosystem EVEN MORE for developers. Now NO ONE will want to develop VR games

>black and white passthrough
fucking what? even pico 4 is in color. is this actually worse than pico 4, it better be like 200 bucks

>>725654810 (OP)
OK but how's the D-Pad?

>>725657698
>steam machine
$550
>vr
$400
>controller
$80

>>725658474
Looks the same as the steam deck so probably passable but not great

>>725657380
Skyrim is a 13 year old game though.

Question for someone smarter than me. That Samsung AR headset looks like i may be able to setup multiple emulation windows at once so i can play through some old games. Can the Steam Frame do that? Maybe i could do a full solo Archipelago run like that.

>>725658474
you can't explain why it's bad

>>725658471
What's the point of color passthrough?

>>725658471
>costs less than an index
that's all that has been said regarding price

No hl HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>725658574
Almost certainly considering it's simply running linux

>>725658641
next week for sure

>>725658632
super impose headset graphics over the real world and not have it in black and white

>>725654810 (OP)
>same resolution as the quest 3

Whats the point of this when the Meta Quest 3 has better specs in very regard? It even works flawlessly with steam link?

>>725658632
what's the point of NOT having color passthrough? Sometimes you use it, and it's nice to see in color

>>725658528
Delusional. At least $1K for the VR.

>>725658782
it's not meta
it has eye tracking for trannies
it has better pc wifi connection for higher bitrates
it has better onboard processor

>>725658680
Gabe is gonna make me buy not just the Index but his Frame too.

Steam users look like THIS?

>>725658842
I only use it when I need to grab my cumsock, I don't need color.

>>725654810 (OP)
I was thinking about getting a quest within the next month or so. I'll wait and get the frame. Hopefully it's not like 2k

>>725658910
I look like that

>>725656591
110

How many videos Linus about to make about this thing

>>725658842
save money and make the headset cheaper?

DEAD ON ARRIVAL
ABORTED BY VALVE
>$1200
>2k LCD in 2026
>black and white cameras
>110 FOV in 2026
>no standalone PCVR
>no displayport on headset
>no nose cover (light bleed because nigger nose hole)
>mobile chipset (weaker than iPhone 17)
>ZERO games
what was valve thinking?
why would any white man buy this shit?
apple vision pro is a better deal than this

>>725658842
I have a Quest 3, the passthrough is never used.

no optional wire connection
no buy

>>725658089
they're having fun teasing us because soon the jokes and memes will be over, and it'll finally be a reality

>>725659169
>I have a Quest 3
my condolences

>>725658089

I’m happy with my PSVR2. Don’t need this right now.

>>725659172
>wanting wired vr
Wired is total ass.

>adds weight
>gets in the way
>can get all looped and you have to spin around to undo it

>>725659117
yeah we'll see about that
>>725659169
I have a pico 4 and use it all the time. Because I first put on the headset and THEN pick up my controllers, so right there I'm using passthrough every single time.

>>725658567
Yeah sure I have no doubt a very lightly modded Skyrim VR will run just fine, but you can get pretty damn close to flat Skyrim visuals and fidelity out of it nowadays on PC, those huge modlists aren't gonna run on the Frame directly.

>>725658632
AR porn

>>725659289
Why?
It's a solid headset.

>>725656606
>4k 60 isn't that hard nowadays

What a Nvidia lie lmfao. 4K gaming is impossible on anything but the most expensive top of the line PCs. Nvidia advertised 4K gaming with the launch of the 1000 series cards, but in 2025 literally nothing but a 5090 equipped PC can garuntee 4k60 fps.

>>725656362
imagine it being VR only

>>725659329

It also has zero artifacts and is a consistent connection. When Frame is advertising something like “compression all around what you’re looking at” I wonder how it’ll really fare…

>>725659329
Wired is for racing sims, it's pretty much required for a good experience

>>725654810 (OP)
i don't get it is steam making a console?

Why don't steam make a gaming PC? IT's like a PC but the OS is steam you can run steam games and software, and maybe put lynx support in it and put other office software on it. There's no mainstreem OS avialable there's lynx but tha'ts kinda shit

>>725656546
It Dougs

>>725659684
It is a PC, it's just a PC in a small form factor like the Deck

>>725656308
this
full fledged SteamOS replacing windows on consumer PCs

>>725659798
this

>>725659684
>making a console
it's pc, they never said it's a console, it will have desktop mode just like steamdeck

>>725658528
>>725658852
VR has been around for so long but what's it even used for now? Price seems to be what's in the way for mass adoption because it Just seems like an expensive toy.

Hmm, I have to wonder if the foveated streaming and dedicated dongle connection will counteract the usual loss of quality compared to wired since it's only rendering what you're directly looking at high quality. Linus spoke kind of highly about it, but it is something I would have to see in person to decide if it's worth giving up a wired connection for.

If it was cheaper than Q3 and P4Ultra they would've already announced the price. This shit is going to be 600 bucks minimum

>>725660020
Better be $600 maximum.

>>725656745
because they know valvesimps will still slurp it up

>>725660020
They haven't announced the prices yet for the same reason Nintendo didn't initally reveal the price for the Switch 2
Prices aren't finalized yet and the economical situation means they might have to change them

>>725655931
>>725656090
According to IGN's preview, it does have a USB-C port for wired tethering. It's in the back to keep the cable out of your way

https://www.ign.com/articles/steam-frame-preview-hands-on-with-valves-state-of-the-art-vr-headset

I'm very happy, lots of people will finally try out proper PCVR vidya streaming. Dynamic resolution based on eye-tracking sounds ingenious and very promising. Also, more people using SteamOS and not proprietary Windows shit.
That one Virtual Desktop guy is going out of business sadly.

>>725657820
its 1000$
sneed

>>725660161
that's a relief then

>>725659540
works on my machine

>>725660161
Yes but its going to be compressed if it even works for that.
Quest 2 has this, its shit.

Maybe valve's strategy is to make a cheap standalone VR headset and then releasing HL3 in VR to bolster the VR market
Currently the biggest problem with VR is that the market is bad so good devs don't make games for it, since statistically you'll just make a lot less money making a VR game than a regular game.

Unfortunate that they seemed to lose all interest in pushing VR forward. This feels like a headset that could have come out 3 or 4 years ago with the way that it just barely matches the Quest.
I don't know where you guys are getting black and white passthrough from, but I seriously dread that being the case.
Top of the line passthrough could have absolutely made this thing essential. Imagine having a full-fidelity tether to your PC, running downstairs to take a piss as your headset switches to on-board graphics, and coming back to your room where it seemlessly switches back to PC power. That alone would have been a big enough step beyond the competition to be worth while

Phil's response.

>>725660145
Guilty as charged

>>725660161
Somehow I don't think USB-C will be enough to push the res of these displays just like it wasn't on the Quest 2
the cables will relegated to power/data, not video output

vrlet here, I have myopia, do you need special lenss to account for that?

>>725660161
USB connection is shit, video is going to be so compressed you might as well go wireless, barely a difference

>>725660161
it's meaningless because USB C does not have the same bandwidth as Displayport, so you're getting a compressed image either way. The only difference will be the reduction in latency

>>725659684
It's a PC. It's them 12 years later righting the wrong they did with "Steam Machines" (even sweeping the old Steam Controller aside and not naming their new controller "Steam Controller 2[.0]").

The old Machines were third party stuff that was VASTLY overpriced and not Valve mandated (so all of them could have different GPU/CPUs and price costs).

This is Valve taking the Deck's lessons (low price, standardized hardware under them) and using it for a "round 2" attempt.

I think this may work for getting console gamers on-board if 1) the price point is good [Valve takes a bath on the Decks and has stated they're ok with that] and 2) PC ports finally get a "Deck" (and thus a Machine) optimization setting(s). Something stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 eventually patched in.

That last one will be the game changer if Valve is able to pull it off, because PC gaming then becomes "you need the minimum of XYZ hardware to reach PS5-6-7+ console generation hardware minimum for 30FPS" which would be HUGE for PC gaming in terms of getting developers to finally optimize their shit again and PC ports being somewhat better.

My only problem is that the formfactor means the machine isn't upgradable (the old machines were but the ITX sizing meant it was a PITA to do). But since this really targeting Deck and conole-gamer audiences, that won't be a huge deal if Valve is able to do an upgrade on the hardware in 5 years like consoles.

>>725660404
Why does this read like he's seething

>Need it
Steam Controller 2
>Sneed it
Everything else

>>725660161
lmao VR reviewer uses jump movement

>>725660512
no, despite the simulation of DOF, the screen is still very close to you, and your condition is a long range focusing problem.

Shame it doesn't have the speakers from the Index, they were fantastic and I wish they'd put out a standalone set of headphones with the same tech

>>725660202
>Dynamic resolution based on eye-tracking sounds ingenious
Yeah Valve is genius for inventing something PSVR had for half a decade

>>725657085
>if

>>725659979
Does their RDNA3 support AV1 encoding? Because AV1+Wifi 6 bandwidth+foveated rendering is probably more than good enough

>>725655156
Well I am getting that controller. Depending on the price might get the machine.

>>725654810 (OP)
>Arm headset
>standalone gaming
So do they have x86 emulation built in to proton now, or does this only mean native ARM games will work?

Headset better be sub-400.

I really thought we would be getting a new industry headliner bros. I was ready to drop a grand on something innovative

>>725657085
minus all the exclusives like Arkham Shadows and Asgards Wrath 2. Pico has those by the way, it's just Frame that will miss out

>>725660478
>>725660597

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the context but isn't USB C capable of top of the line video connections? My laptop's dedicated direct to GPU port is through USB C, and I can get 4k120fps out of it with no issues.

>>725660764
RDNA3 should support that yes

>>725655767
>you mean 4k 60fps in 15 year old games
That would include every first party title.

>>725660660
thank you, anon

If the the Steam Frame is reasonably cheap, it would finally make VR gaming a less shitty meme.
Also finally a reason to give VR porn a go.

VRfags whats the state of the art of anime coomslop. Is it worth it yet?

>>725660161
Watching the video it sounds like the USB on the back is for headset charging. I don't see anything about wired tether.

>>725656039
I want VR. I've still been waiting for decent hardware to play Alyx on.

>>725660967
For me it's VR JAV, especially the kissing scenes
I still use my old Quest for that

>>725660785
arm proton

>>725660892
nah my pico 4 has usb c and it's shit, image is compressed to all fuck

So what ever happened to those VR towers and full body tracking? It still looks like the old Valve/HTC VR setup is way better.

>>725656694
Nobody cares about you either trannoid

>>725661023
VR is great to begin with as you play through the catalog of games, then you reach the end and realise that newer VR games are all low effort shit because no studio wants to make big budget VR games

>>725660967
The only thing that looks good enough to get you off is VAM and not only does it need a beastly PC but it has the most intuitive fucked up workflow of any program I have ever used. Even editing full movies in premier pro was not as bad as trying to set up one scene in VAM, it's fucking torture.

Linus also mentioned being able to sideload APKs, so does that mean Quest exclusives are potentially out of Quest jail?

>>725661135
Convenience and cheap won out.
People will probably make a way to hook lighthouses/trackers up to steamframe.

>>725661096
I guess there's a difference between USB C video output and USB C video streaming?

>>725661135
full body tracking is too niche and nobody uses it except for VRchat trannies who want to dance around with their tranny boyfriends

>>725657123
Underrated

>>725660956
The index being $1000 and needing a good GPU is why I never jumped in. If the price is around the Deck ($500-700), I'd consider it. But it's more expensive than the xReal (formerly: nReal) AR glasses that a lot of folks swore by for the Deck as a second bigger screen. So getting it for that and Beat Saber would need a REAL killer price from Valve.

>>725660618
Anybody interested in hardware they can upgrade, is probably going to be building their own system, and the support burden is greatly reduced by sticking to a known GPU with open source drivers.
You just know that if the GPU could be easily swapped as an advertised feature some Microsoft-funded outlet would swap an Nvidia GPU into it and then give it a bad review.

>>725661135
Full body tracking can now be done with a few sensors strapped to your body and works just a well. Towers are completely outdated

>>725660690
I wasn't aware, thanks for pointing it out.

>>725659889
>>725656308
Honestly that might be closer than we think, looking at the store page mentions that it can run other apps you install, leading me to believe that either they are including more of a Linux desktop experience that you can load into, or Linux apps will be distributed through the Steam store

if either of those are viable, then that opens up the doors for Valve to release SteamOS as a download for users to install on their own hardware and use as it's primary OS

>>725661216
They're not in Quest jail, some autist already ported them to Pico. I dunno, maybe those versions will also work on Frame but native ones won't

>>725661135
Nobody was buying those, so Valve is cutting them to try to make VR more price-afforable and match the Occulus Quest.

They even told the Verge "don't expect the light houses to be supported on this." Basically they're being mothballed. Unless the community does something with them, the Index is a paperweight if the driver support ends and isn't able to be used in legacy.

>>725657526
VR is pretty fun once you recognize it as a different thing from normal games. I had a great time trying out games on my nephew's oculus quest.

>>725658528
>steam frame
>400
>wireless
they will sell millions, they will normalize VR headsets across the world if they are crazy enough to price it 400. The W is right there, GabeN

Id have appreciated a model that sacrifices the onboard graphics for better VR specs

>>725657959
I would buy one just to play PCVR games standalone. RE 4 and BeatSaber are nice, but I want to play Alyx and Boneworks and I don't have the space to do it in my house.

>>725661447
>but native ones won't
damn so I guess some of the big ones like RE4 or the good Doom 3 port are still stuck behind the Quest wall

>>725661512
you're the minority

>>725658528
>vr
>$400
lol
lmao even
VR will never be cheap and will always be irrelevant.

>>725660997
In the review it says
>"Its battery is actually on the rear of the headstrap, so it's more balanced than other VR headsets, and if you need to plug in, the USB-C port is also on the back so the cable stays out of your way."
and I hardly doubt that they'd mean the battery of a wireless-only HMD with "if you NEED to plug in".
At least I hope so...

>>725659979
I haven't personally tried it but eye tracking and foveated rendering was highly praised in all the PSVR 2 reviews. They said it does what it promises, and that you don't notice it because the quality adjusts up and down faster than your eye movements.
Though PSVR 2 is wired-only and the eye tracking is only supported on PS5, no way for unforeseen latency issues to crop up like they might here when it's a wireless USB dongle connecting to an unknown PC config

>>725654810 (OP)
How is this compared to Quest 2?

>>725660690
>>725661387
Seems literally only a few of PCVR games support DFR, and it's all on software level. This is hardware level so should work on all games?

I have quest 3 on order. Should I cancel?

>>725658782
I don't need to be part of Zuck's botnet to use it.

>>725661758
>the eye tracking is only supported on PS5
there's a driver hack for pc

>>725661772
quest 2 is ass, once you've experienced pancake lenses you cant go back

>>725661512
I imagine it already works that way, diverting power to support top-end streaming if you're not using the onboard renderer or whatever.

>>725661848
Yeah

>>725661416
I could see Valve releasing a more easy to install image for system builders, but I could also see that image not including Nvidia drivers or a way to easily install them in the immutable mode.
Desktop mode will likely be similar to Steam Deck, where you just switch sessions, and the improvements will likely just come from using more powerful hardware connected to a larger display.

It might convince more developers to release flatpak of appimages of desktop software. They're already a must have for full-screen software thanks to Deck.

>>725661848
quest3 has some good vr mods and apps not available on pc

Honestly is the machine is priced well I might get it to try as a linux machine.

>>725655532
>>725655917
I just watched the Linus Tech Tips video on it, apparently the dongle uses 6GHz for faster data transfer to eliminate latency (and avoid the 2.4 and 5GHz bands used by wifi routers), and the headset has dynamic resolution scaling based on the eye tracking, so it will put maximum detail wherever your eye is actually looking but the rest of the image will be lower quality (because your eyes aren't focused there anyway), and apparently it's RIDICULOUSLY GOOD at this

Of all the things to criticize Valve for, I don't think their engineering is one of them, they have the best people for pretty much everything because they are a private company that makes ludicrous amounts of money and therefore only hires the best, so if they say they've figured out some black magic technological breakthrough that makes a wireless headset with a medium resolution panel look good and have no latency, then I believe them

>>725662047
My first*

>>725658474
this controller looks fucking terrible

>>725654810 (OP)
The mini PC console thing doesnt anything a shitty costco gaming laptop can't do, the controller is a straight downgrade from a $50 gamesaar, and VR is still a meme. Is it bad I'm more hyped for HL3/HLX whatever they're calling it after all the references they made?

>>725654810 (OP)
what does it mean

>>725659684
It's a Linux PC that runs big picture mode by default.

>>725660298
$1,000 would only make sense if the internal standalone graphics hardware is significantly more powerful than the Quest headsets and can handle much bigger, closer-to-PC-quality games than them.
It doesn't sound like that's the case, they're not advertising it as such

>>725656493
>Steam controller 2 has steam decks trackpads
>High definition rumble
>Grip-enabled gyro
>This means better tf2, l4d2, dwarf fortress, RTS games and better emulation all from the bed
TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY GABEN YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>725658474
If it's the same as the Steam Deck, it's going to be unusable.

>>725655734
Honestly, the only thing I care about. I have no use-case for a Deck and the Frame is entirely dependent on its price. The Controller looks absolutely goated though. I had the original one and I hated it because of its weird inverted design but this is basically just an improved Xbox controller.

>>725661982
Is it? Shit seems nice to me. I use it for porn and Alyx though, not dedicated VR shit.

>>725661982
So what's the best headset out now or coming soon?

>>725661737
The store page says
>One USB-C 2.0 port in the rear, for charging and data
so hopefully I am wrong and it does support tethered.

>>725661135
>It still looks like the old Valve/HTC VR setup is way better.
It is. Unfortunately VR gaming needs to be accessible and affordable to take off.

>controller strap sold separately
So it's just straight up not usable out of the box? Thanks Gabe

>>725662386
they're literally all shit for different reasons and i wouldn't recommend any of them to anyone
>facebook/meta
speaks for itself, i'd hope

>>725660512
Maybe. I got -1.25 and some astigmatism and it's on the edge of fine/not fine. The rendered image is usually at around 1m-2m distance Tried once with glasses and it's a lot better, but my standards are kinda low for quality.

>>725654810 (OP)
Holy shit guys, the gimmick with no games is up! Quick! Spend a bunch of money and watch it gather dust in a couple of days!

>controller
ok whatever
>steambox 2.0
ok whatever
>vr glasses
why are they still pushing this shit, it flopped 10 years ago??

>>725662528
Isn't it clear that it will never take off? Just cater to the freaks who are into it, your market isn't getting any bigger than that

>>725660512
Not in my experience. My myopia is pretty mild though.

>>725662542
I want to get a vr headset I am interested in this. vr is fun

>>725656546
it lets you see people's names and when they'll die

>>725662038
>It might convince more developers to release flatpak of appimages of desktop software.
I hope so too, I only started playing with Linux in the last couple of months, and it's a bit of a headache having to negotiate severeal different ways to install software and with no unified installer (or commonly accepted standard)

some things are on the discover store, some things are flatpak only and require you to install the repositories using the terminal, some are just a .deb file that you can install like an .exe, and it feels like every company or developer just picks at random which one they want to use.

If a big name company liek Valve sets a standard, then it might inspire others to follow and work on their Linux versions more seriously, as well as giving users an easier time of attaining software

>>725662386
quest 3, or pico 4 if you hate zucc.

>>725662143
Ergonomics has always been Gay Ben's weak point. The first controller, the 'Eck, this... they don't properly test on X-box Duke sized hands and have dainty Nipponese test and think it's going to be ok across all hand-sizes.

>>725654810 (OP)
bought 3 to make japs and sonytroons seethe

>>725662621
Only poorfags copers believe that

>>725661081
So does ARM proton just emulate ARM Windows games, or does it run x86 Windows games as well?

>>725662675
How do you have fun with zero games, mr baiter?

>>725662529
Just don't throw them you gorilla.

>>725662761
>Both LCD
I'll continue waiting...

>>725662741
Discover IS flatpak, FYI.

I'm so envious of people who're gonna try VR for the first time with this thing.

>>725656546
it delays the release by another month

>>725659937
>VR has been around for so long but what's it even used for now?
personally i convert all of my animes and porn into stereoscopic. games too but i really enjoy turning stuff 3d. wonky as fuck sometimes but when it works, it works real well.

>>725662258
Playing cataclysm dark days ahead on my tv with my custom dreck layout

>>725662386
Honestly probably Steam's, just cause of the magnetic sticks. The Quest is good, but they have massive problems with the sticks and it's not uncommon for them to break after a couple months.

>>725662869
If you play exercise games in VR, you're waving your hands around AND you're sweating. Yeah it's going to slip out sooner or later, I wouldn't risk playing without a strap

>>725662621
VR hasn't taken off to the point that an abundance of Half-Life Alyx-quality games are being made for it, as one would hope for.
But it's still being kept well enough alive by Beat Saber and VRChat and porn.

>>725662843
beat saber
anyx
resident evil 4
batman

im going to stream Warframe on the steam VR
i want to go blind

>>725662874
For standalone that's what you get. All the good screens are on wired PC headsets.

>>725662842
x86 games, so a pretty sizable catalogue

i wear glasses :(

>>725663013
2 (two) games

>>725659150
this but unironically, this shit is already outdated what the hell

>>725661194
I already have ten games I want to play lined up for VR. And just Gmod and Alyx would be enough to justify a whole console for.

>>725660635
>Why does this read like he's seething
because he's seething
imagine losing to sony and switching to PC market just to compete with Gabe fucking Newell

>>725662924
Holy shit, is it time? Are we gaming fr now?

>>725663130
VR is a scam anyway. Don't worry about it.

>>725663130
Well VR headsets support lenses if your close up is that fucked.

>>725663032
HOLY SHIT! LOOK AT THAT IMPRESSIVE LIST, AND SUCH RECENT TITLES TOO!

I see that VR fags are as delusional as Final Fantasy XIV fanboys in 2025

>>725663130
Should work fine with glasses, I use pico 4 with glasses. Just insert that glasses panel that gives you a bit of extra space. The FOV will go down but you wear glasses, your FOV is already down buddy. You know how to cope with it

>>725659150
Oh boy! Retarded poorfags that have never used VR in their life are giving opinions!

>eye tracking
>slightly better resolution
>same lcd /pancake screen tech
>better max framerate
>arguably worse controller (dpad?)
>strange dual connection (how can that little dongle compare to my expensive wifi 7 router and is mandatory?)

Not sure how it can compete with the Quest 3, cause you know it is going to be more money.

>>725663307
we get it you are to fat to move around

>>725662816
name 5 worthwhile vr games released past 5 years

>>725659150
>ZERO games
Orange Box v2 will be announced before the 20th. Why do you think the entire store page will be vacant for so long?
>>725663130
you can use regular eye lenses or order custom replacements for the headset that fit your prescription

>>725663332
I simulated in my mind, the world holds no surprises to me.

>>725663332
How is he a poorfag? You're making no sense.

>>725663130
you ever heard of contact lenses nigga?

since the vr is a linux pc, whats some cool stuff you can now do? use qbtorrent on it? i can't think of anything truly interesting
VAM porn?

>>725663132
There's more than 7,000 VR games just on Steam.

>>725663383
We get it, you're a financially irresponsible and easily influenced useful idiot who jumps into every modern hype train and gets brainwashed so hard it becomes a religion for you.

>>725663348
>missing the 500% improved ergonomics
that's the main selling point
Q3 users had to cope with weight by buying expensive headbands with whole assembly ending up weighting over 1 kilo
Frame is comfortable out of the box

>>725658528
>steam machine
>$550
If that's the cost, and it's just as good as Steam Deck, it will dethrone PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo, since you can play all their games from there, as it's a PC
https://store.steampowered.com/franchise/playstationstudios
https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/XboxGameStudios
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/
https://eden-emulator.github.io/

>>725663307
nta but there's enough VR games to warrant a 500 buck purchase in my opinion. Here are some I liked:
Half-Life Alyx
Lone Echo 1-2
Synth Riders
Beat Saber
Pistol Whip
Tetris Effect
Robo Recall
Superhot
Eleven Table Tennis
Budget Cuts 1-2
Job Simulator
Blade and Sorcery
Walkabout Mini Golf
Mare
Batman: Arkham Shadow
The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners 1-2
Project CARS 2
I Expect You to Die 1-3
Pavlov
Dirt Rally 2
Boneworks
Red Matter 1-2
L.A. Noire: The VR Case Files
Vampire: The Masquerade - Justice

>>725663130
https://www.zennioptical.com/p/vr-inserts-meta-quest-3/VR70003/VR7000301
It's 50 bucks for a pair of lens inserts that magnetically snaps to the VR lenses
Probably sub 30 bucks if you buy some from an alieexpress seller instead

>>725656546
It halves your life, duh.

>>725663543
And they are all worthless slop, amazing.

>>725663589
Alyx also has a bunch of workshop campaigns

>>725655926
>Nintendo jeets already seething

>>725663546
>OH NO SOMEONE IS SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY

>>725663478
you can now use open office on the VR!!!

>wireless
It's shit. Might as well buy an Index off eBay that some fat faggot cummed on.

>>725660020
It looks like Valve is releasing all 3 at once while trying to make VR as simple and easy to use as possible, so more people adopt it and they also buy something else with it, like the steam deck or steam machine to accompany it, not just 1 steam product.

Maybe the Steam Frame is testing ground for the Steam Deck 2.
It could be like the next evolution of handhelds and VR headsets. Valve has managed to make all of this compact enough to make it work on Steam Deck, Frame and Machine, wirelessly, so now they can turn the Steam Deck 2 into a VR headset that becomes a handheld as well, like the switch, but from handheld to VR, instead of handheld to dock.
A simple frame clip to wear with a strap for the back of the head that you can easily carry on your pocket, and your handheld snaps in place like the joycons. The steam controllers detach form the screen and become like the Frame's controllers, or you can snap them together to make it look liek something similar to the joycons put together or the new steam controller. the screen will be smaller to make it work with the VR headset gimmick and can divide into two screens when it snaps on the Frame. It can totally work, all 3 in 1.

>>725662643
Probably, though 10 years ago you'd be laughed at for saying Linux gaming would take off. With the right support (and a few more killer apps) it can work.

the steam frame is probably the last gasp of air for VR. if this flops too then the furries/coomers/troons/UOOOOHs will claim a permanent victory

>>725663589
Great taste bud, do you also go to poop throwing festivals in India just to taste the cow shit?

>>725663557
That doesn't factor because adding in a bobovr battery strap with a fan to the quest 3 is far superior to what valve is giving you.

Is the wishlist button bugged?

the steam VR isn't for VR games, it's for normal games played on the VR screen

>>725663718
>OH NO I CAN'T HANDLE CRITICISM ACK!!!

I have over 1000 hrs in Eleven Table Tennis
I just play against the computer while watching youtube

Why the fuck would I pay $1200 for this shit when I have a quest

>>725663561
>it will dethrone PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo,
PS and Xbox are dead but Nintendo is just getting started with Round 2.

For me its comfy playing my Deck till it's close to dead and then picking up my Switch 2 while the Deck charges.

>>725663817
>bobovr battery strap with a fan to the quest 3 is far superior to what valve is giving you.
Are you delusional? Quest with all bells and whistles has NOTHING on Frame when it comes to comfortability
it's just 450g

>>725660389
it's better by virtue of not needing a fagbook account

>>725663821
Yes. It seems to wishlist all 3 items.

>>725662843
nta, but I want to play HL Alyx, Boneworks, and the Gmod VR mod. I tried some vr games on my friend's quest and they were fun.

>>725663782
>I haven't played any of those because I'm poor but YOU'RE Indian
Well this just doesn't make sense

>sideloading android APK
huh? what does that mean? and wasn't google banning that shit?

So as of now, what is the best VR set to pretend be a fursona in VRchat?

>>725663863
>CRITICISM

>>725663643
Says the agitator who has never tried any of them.

Google Earth VR alone is worth a headset purchase imo.
Also, any flight simulator or dogfighting game which supports both VR and flight sticks. There's quite a few of these

>>725664036
That was dropped like 3 years ago on Quest, you don't need it.

>>725664118
>Still stuck playing prehistoric games because no company gives a shit about VR

Grim...

>>725658089
What's the red sticker suppose to be?

>>725663860
If that was the case, they wouldn't include the internal standalone graphics hardware and could bring the price down by a few hundred

>>725664143
Google is allegedly banning sideloading on android phones. The ability to create APKs will always exist

Think of it like an .exe but for android operating systems.

>>725664212
And this is how far gone some people are... Google Earth VR, some people are really this easy to please, no wonder we got Indians eating literal cow poop with a smile on their faces.

Pic related (you)

>>725664003
>just 450g
now let's add the OPTIONAL top strap and we're up to 470g. Meanwhile Quest 3 is 515g. Wow 45g, that's like 5 hairs on your head, that's a deal breaker for me

>VR headset
Standalone device.
Additional wifi 6E DIRECT CONNECTION
Dual Wireless antennas for no wireless performance loss on online games.
BASED

>>725655767
They did say "with FSR"

>>725664357
but what does it mean on a vr? android apps on it?

>>725664003
And so what? My Quest 3 is fine with the bobo strap. The only thing good about it is a eye tracking and better chip, more ram. Not the weight. If you played VR you would know it is the nausea that gets you before neck strain.

>>725664264
>SOON™
>H-*Censored*
the implication here is it being HL3

>>725662098

Ah shit…here we go again…

Linus bust be Gabe's favorite shill because he completely sold me on the headset (assuming it's a fair price)

Happy to hear that the cameras are able to be upgraded to full color. I couldn't imagine a modern headset that didn't embrace AR features

>>725664246
Most of the games I play on PC are pushing 30. I don't care about how new games are, just whether or not they're good. In fact, a lot of my interest in VR is playing old games with VR mods.

>>725663561
they said 6x more powerful as steam deck or something not sure if true
rather just wait for steam deck 2 electric boogaloo

Oh great, it's the fucking gimmick again.

We'll never get HL3 will we?

>>725663392
Battlegroup VR 2
Into the Radius 2
Metro Awakening
Vermillion
Underdogs

>N-NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BE-
Don't care. Not to mention games older than that, like VRchat, Derail Valley, Assetto Corsa etc, are still going and great. And then even beyond that, flat games turned into VR games with a mod, like the new System Shock.

You subhumans are not on the level.

>>725660690
it's foveated streaming, not foveated rendering
so it's actually new mr smartypants

>>725656921
it was 25F yesterday

>>725664397
Quest 3 is 500g on the front 15g on the back
Frame is 185g on the front 255g on the back

>>725662761

PSVR 2 and its OLED screens are awesome. Can be used on PC now too. Don’t count them out

>>725664392
GoogleEarth VR is great actually. The fact that you keep talking about shit you've never played just makes it clear for everyone that you have sour grapes
t. nta

>>725662098
>the headset has dynamic resolution scaling based on the eye tracking, so it will put maximum detail wherever your eye is actually looking but the rest of the image will be lower quality
god that's going to be such a shit show kek
none of these lofty promises ever hold up to reality

>>725664568
>Too poor to buy new games

>RDNA 3
It's over. AMD refuses to release FSR 4 on my GPU, so this cube is e-waste.

>>725664609
Pico 4 has a battery in the back too, it's comfy. It's nice that Gabe stole the idea from the Chinese

>>725664582
>We are proud to announce...
>Half-Life Alyx 2!

Hows the Crystal Super Pimax?
I don't mind paying more if the screen is significantly better

so what's the storage on it? Am I gonna just be able to download my steam vr games to it? I was planning on getting a quest in a month or two but I will probably just wait for this.

>>725664446
Kinda yes, though the compatibility of android apps would be questionable.

What it REALLY means is that the headset will be super easy to develop for. We will likely have perfect emulators and things on day one, on top of PCVR games that arent on Steam but wouldn't be able to run their exe on Linux otherwise. Probably quest exclusives ported over too if we are lucky

>Our target audience is
>"Huge pc gaming fan excited to game on pc for the first time"

>>725664659
>none of these lofty promises ever hold up to reality
how about a virtual one then?

>>725664659
Don't you ever get tired of babbling like a retard, you blackpilled imbecile? Look at youtube, incel. People already got their hands on the device and it works.

>>725664594
So he knows where you're looking but then renders at full resolution for some reason? Nah he is doing foveated rendering, and then he streams it and calls it foveated streaming (OC donut steal)

>>725664818
It really do be like this. The only people buying their shit are Steam cultists and yet all their hardware is aimed at people who don't have a PC for some fucking reason

You people are too stupid to live, so let me drag you out of your misery so at least you shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3ru09HTng

>>725664867
nope, supposedly not

>>725664601
How much is that in real units? A bit below 0, I think?

>>725664818
Kek this

I could see myself getting one for my kids in a few years as an entry into PC games, but I'm really struggling to see who this is really for. It would need to be console price or lower to steal console players over, but apparently it's targeting a price closer to other small form factor PCs

linus video says there'll be straps for the controllers and a top strap for the headset sold seperately

>>725664629
I wish the geometry was higher res though
you can go to ground level and be standing in a city on the other side of the planet but it's super low res

>No dual stage triggers
Fuck.

>>725664961
His developer version is a little different. Note how he said a different screen resolution than what Valve has on their tech specs.

>>725665113
Yeah it's only really good for pretending to be a bird in Japan. Which is nice I guess, with some relaxing music

>cameras can be upgraded to color
We are saved.

Also makes me think that the price will be very competitive. Could we be lucky enough to see $300?

>>725665060
Were they that desperate to shave down the price?

>>725656546
The Valve opens.

>>725664961
>linustechshill

What are the chances it will be like the SteamDeck and we'll get an OLED version in a year and the base version will be worthless

>>725665153
youre GAMING IN THE FIFTH DIMENSION and all you have to say is "ok but what about the dual stage triggers"??? holy FUCK.

https://steamhistory.net/id/76561199295795596
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198326639514
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198341480093
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198135388856
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198519301303
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198894151197
https://steamhistory.net/id/76561198836291409

>>725665220
i think it's more that valve thinks they're not necessary but they're there for those who want them

>>725665113
they made that back when google still innovated, now they're pure enshittification
Might be a good thing they haven't touched it since, no doubt they'll trash it one day

>>725665220
They are not retarded, unlike you, and know there will be tons of third-party accessories?

>>725665196
if it's below 500 Quest is officially BTFO

Any videos showcasing the controllers compatability with the Deck yet? I want to see if the wakeup is smoother than with an xbone controller

>>725664780
IGN video says 256 GB or 1 TB with an expandable store slot. Yes, you can download your games on it.

>>725664582
a french journalist said he knows it's being developed for a fact
probably announced at the GA

>>725665362
calm down

>>725661416
Kritia is already on the Store. There is other Linux software on the store as well, but Steam is for PC gaming mostly and software sales have never been significant on Steam.

In any case, we've been waiting for Steam Arch since the 'Eck launched. "Valve Time™" has been forever with that, since Steam Debian ("SteamOS 1-2") was 2013 to like 2019 and they never released that version for builders or in general.

It's also why the "Holo" community version of the Arch attempt is a thing. I don't expect Valve to release Steam Arch ever and you're going to have to install Arch or the other forks of it (Endevour, etc.) for a Deck-like OS.

>>725656469
OLED would apparently look too dim with the pancake lenses

>>725665375
More like if it's above 500 Valve is btfo.

Im sure 400 is their sweet spot

>>725665331
Sorry but I don't care for VR. Also it has an LCD screen, YUCK.

>>725665480
>t.

>>725664659
See >>725661758
It's currently unproven over a wireless connection, but has been proven through a cable such that there's a chance it could work well enough for most people.
Though I expect *some* variable results depending on the setup

>>725656546
>What happens if you press the half life button?

>>725665635
stop posting my wife

>>725665635
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

>>725656546
Alyx cums in her pants if you're playing HL2.
If you're playing HL1 the scientists cum in their pants, and scream very loudly.

I have never beat a half life game and I've been playing pc games for over 20 years

Its gonna come down to pricing, if the Steam machine and controller is $400 or less than its gonna succeed like gangbusters any price point above that then nobody gonna want to buy the 16gb underpowered POS

>>725662843
>zero games
>page explicitly says it can play non-VR games

>>725665867
Yes, give them a complimentary 4chan Gold Pass.

>Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs
>2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP
Can anyone smart tell me what the fuck does this mean and what GPU is comparable to?

>>725666051
You can buy significantly more performant prebuilts that aren't stuck on RDNA3/FSR3 for probably what a Steam Machine will go for.
>>725666334
about half the performance of this

>>725654810 (OP)
Does the Steam Controller 2 have Hall Effect sticks?

>>725661096
Your connection is ass. Get a powered hub

>>725665196
>>725665375
>>725665516
I heavily doubt it. The quest 3 is sold at breaking or at a net loss, banking on people buying from facebook/meta's storefront or data collection from the metaverse. Unless valve does orchestrates some wicked scheme beyond planning on people on steam buying VR games, it would probably just plainly be more expensive than the quest 3- basically just being a pcvr headset that happens to be standalone with extra bells and whistles.
I think someone at valve vaguely mention it would cost less than an Index, which doesn't exactly invoke confidence for that.

>>725657036
say all you what but older women are more appealing than today's corn syrup grown ones.

>>725654810 (OP)
JESUS CHRIST THAT NECK HUMP
>it's exactly like us, bros.

>>725666475
This, and how much.

>>725666436
This, if I had to give someone PC advice I'd tell them to just go to costco and get whatever pre built they have, done.

>>725657991
Standalone is just convenient. I have a fucking nice headset and I opt for the standalone every time.

>>725663130
the product page states it's compatible with glasses of up to 140mm width

>>725663589
Good list.
To add to that, Star Wars Squadrons in VR + a flight stick is in my opinion a killer app which should be able to convert any nonbeliever who is willing to get strapped in and try it.

ADR1FT is also great, if you accept it as more of an immersive visual experience, rather than a game with much depth

>>725666753
it's TMR and it's not intended to be used through bluetooth so it's automatically the best controller you can buy

>>725666746
when we had mods who actually gave a shit about vidya

>>725666772
The best de scion I made was getting a prebuilt with a 3080 during COVID when they were cheaper than getting the GPU separate.

>>725666617
Quest 3 was also years ago and this is about the same in terms of specs

>>725666746
kek I remember this

>>725654810 (OP)
>it's another generic controller
>no right side trackball instead of the thumbstick for a better "lookaround" feel like turning an eyeball
>no analog left shoulder rocker switch for up/down movement to complement the forward/backward/left/right movement of the thumbstick
>no gyroscope for aiming
why the fuck do people hate variety in their inputs? like every controller is just buttons and sticks

>>725663130
The LTT video said Valve is making prescription lenses for it.

>>725666853
but it has bluetooth

>>725666957
Because we tried all that shit and it was garbage
Also there is a gyroscope in the controller you tard

>>725667070
its main use is to be wired/dongled unlike much of the TMR chinkware you'll find on the internet

>FEX translation layer
fun fact: that's worked on by the same people who made the Dolphin emulator

>>725665635
>bush
I ain't into that fag shit

>>725655847
I'll be the jack of all trades actor and singer with some sketchy yakuza connections, and then all we need is a latin or italian crooner, and joey bishop and we'll be the new rat pack.

>>725665030
it's gonna be around $500 so it's basically the same price a switch 2 or a base ps5
other than having access to practically your entire steam library there's also the fact steam and steam key sites have sales almost all the time
it'll age better since your library just grows over time and you don't need new peripherals, also more user-repairable and extensible

>>725660967
Koikatsu its ok when you set everything up properly, outside that its still VRChat.

>>725662365
yeah, with fresnel lenses if you aren't in the "sweet" spot then the edges of the pictures get that layered distorted view and it adds bulk since the lenses are curved. The edges of the image also has that distorted fish eye view
pancake lenses have no sweet spot, the picture is perfect no matter where you look

I have the old Vive, worth upgrading to Steam Frame? Are quality VR games still being made?

Haven't actually used the thing in a good while, mainly because its annoying with the wires, so the new Steam one having built in wireless intrigues me

>>725667353
you're living a sad existence buddy

>>725662643
People said the same thing about $1000-$2000 handhelds, then valve released the deck at $300 and everyone wants one now.

i mean how good is this pc? better or worse than ps5?

>>725665635
>>725665882
kegged and kegpilled

>>725667341
I've always said that a competent hardware ecosystem was the only thing keeping Valve from entirely dominating the gaming industry.

Having all of your games/library be entirely evergreen and effortlessly accessed is a luxury that console players simply can't understand until they have it for themselves

>better performance than a PS5
>better performance than an RTX 3060
>slightly worse than a PS5 Pro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rv83LgXiN0
that GPU with RDNA 3 will be fine

>>725663589
>Mare
W-What is this game about?
Do I use a donut for immersion?

>>725667636
Better than PS5 if it supports proper FSR 4 upscaling, which is much better than what any console can do currently. A game would be able to run at lower settings than PS5 but still have better image quality

>>725654810 (OP)
>Meme controller
>Meme "console" "PC" box that's bad at both
>Meme VR headset
Why did they think using a failed product line from 2015 (a decade ago) was a good idea? The fans haven't changed either, nobody cares about the hardware, just the HL3 references.

>>725667546
Yeah, if you have an older headset like that or Index, Frame will likely be a good upgrade

>>725667636
Comparable to a PS5 base model. Slightly weaker.

>>725667636
see, ps5 has rdna2 >>725667767
>>725667872
false

So the frame is not replacing the Index then.

>>725667989
It pretty much is, Index has been out of production for a while now

>>725654810 (OP)
>Snapdragon 8 Gen 3
how close are we to getting Steam games on phones?

>>725667546
The classic vive to this would be a night and day difference. N64 to GameCube vibe

>Are good games still being made
No. You would be getting it for your niche favorites and porn. And Alyx of course.
Unless Valve has some major software showcase around the corner, which isn't impossible, it's been about 10 years of tech demos and I can say that confidently as someone who has owned multiple headsets

wait did some retard here ask what an apk was....

>>725668219
Valve needs to release a Source 2 SDK already, one with VR support
That's the only way we're going to get more fully fledged VR games

>>725667963
thats pretty good then right? but still depends on the price. if its more than 600 it aint good imo

>>725656120
>The fuck you want then
>if you've already got a PC
I want a fucking videogame. Why do I want more then PC gaming. I use Steam because I do PC gaming.

These new products will be bought by valve fanboys and linux zealots for sure but the common man won't pay $500 for it not when they can get PS5 or Switch 2 for the same price.

If Gabe has 2 brain cells to rub together he'll take a loss on each machine and sell it for $400 or less

>>725668196
proton is already on arm64, it's just a matter of valve connecting the wires
i can easily imagine valve releasing a phone grip to the steam controller or even dedicated phone controllers down the line

>>725668370
It'll come with HL3 most likely

>>725654810 (OP)
Looks cool

lol, lmao even.

>>725667785
It's a very simple puzzle but it has the art direction of Ico and it's very comfy and cute. It's just a nice experience

>>725655834
>>725656469
>>725659150
LCD in a VR headset is a good thing actually.
Significantly more detail and less pixelation and screen door effect, for the same rendering cost.

No one really makes smaller OLED displays with the proper RGB layout on the left

>>725668608
linux is for gaming now old man

>>725668608
valve literally doesn't give a shit about the scarce few bipolar schizos who are still on 7 but refuse to jump to linux
you're in the past, reluctant goycattle that refuses to pick between freedom and rejoining his herd

Steam deck was a success Because it was the first high performance handheld gaming PC, all handheld PCs before the deck were aiming for the general consumer market not gaming.

The steam machine is not unique in anyway. Micro PC/small factor PC have been a thing for a decade now and how is Valve going to distinguish itself from its micro pc competitors?

The only thing i can think of is Half-life 3 exclusive to the ValveOS

one thing I'm disappointed by is that the microSD slots aren't express slots

I'll buy one just to play vrchat with my japanese gf (female)

>>725656546
half life 3 flies over your house

>>725654810 (OP)
how do people use these things with glasses? surely like 25% of people use glasses every day

>>725661096
My Pico4 also has a USB-C
You need to use an Ethernet wire through Virtual Desktop not the shitty PicoLink crap

>the only killer feature is foveated streaming
>valve is claiming retarded shit like "it'll be TEN TIMES better than normal streaming" and nobody can actually confirm anything
What a shitty way to announce it

>>725668370
>>725668219
The question is if Valve is smart enough to launch this with a software showcase, or if they think Half Life 3 will be enough.

I'm sure they know how dire VR gaming is, but weve already seen Alyx be a successful "killer app" and yet not actually launch the development boom we were expecting.
I huffing copium and hoping that we see at least a couple games coming from them on TOP of half life, along with a third party showcase and Source 2 dev tools. That's what we need if this thing is going to sell gangbusters considering it's really not a considerable upgrade from headsets a lot of people already have

Yes HA HA HA
YES!!

>>725668723
>No one really makes smaller OLED displays with the proper RGB layout on the left
I mean they really should, ought to be false advertising in some way at least.

Switch OLED had a full RGB grid.
...granted that was a 720p display

>>725657959
>fov not better than quest 3
Lies.
>higher res
>higher refresh rates
>higher fov
>better os
>more ram
>lower weight
>eye tracking
>ir tracking
>better wi-fi
>bigger storage option
>better expansion
>mops the floor with Meta

>>725669051
Yeah I used VD, it's shit too. Try playing Dirt 2 and look around while driving fast in a forest, you'll be seeing fist sized pixels

>>725669014
There is an adjuster to make room for glasses, and they also make prescription lenses to swap out

>Not a single mention of Gape Newell in this thread.
How would I know if this cleveland steamer machine provides jack pleasure?

what did he mean by this?

>>725669086
>yet not actually launch the development boom we were expecting.
You can blame COVID and the lockdowns for that. Every game studio was massively disrupted by that, so nobody started new projects or tried anything risky during that timeframe. That strangled the VR reniassance Alyx was supposed to start in the crib.

>>725667353
>casual audience
>SteamOs
>linux

>>725669294
Sounds like hard cope.

>>725660967
No, and it never will be and let me tell you why:
Anime proportions look FUCKED UP at a fundamental level when you actually see it in stereo, like this picture. The eyes and head look utterly inhuman, and the flat skin dissuades you from wanting to touch it. This is why Western VR remains ahead, and you'd have best luck learning how to use Virt-A-Mate.

>>725666957
>>it's another generic controller
it's the only one with trackpads

>>725669227
It works full-res for me I use it to play SHVR and Pistolwhip
have you tried an Ethernet connection?

>>725669278
You know what.

I might buy one of they're reasonably priced.
I've been sat on this 1070ti for years now and haven't upgraded because graffix cards have been a perpetually bad value proposition.

>>725669014
Some headsets are designed to fit around glasses.
Others give you the option to order prescription lenses which you can swap in

>>725669278
Underlords 2...

what did valve mean by this?

>>725669374
Wut, That is not anime proportions, that is a low polygonal head pasted on a person with realistic proportions and hair and that is why it looks fucked up

>>725664003
How do you know the frame is so comfortable? have you tried it? or are you just larping like a fag

ur a fag

>>725669490
my glasses cost more than these vr headsets
no thanks

The good thing about the new controller is better support for VR Injection in Unity and Unreal engine games.

>>725669014
>near sighted but not terrible
>try vr with and without glasses
>see no difference

>>725669630
I can tell from the way it looks and its weight
Are you autistic?

>>725669294
You can, or you can blame the "PS Vita Effect" where nobody wants to buy a headset because there are no games, and nobody wants to spend money developing games because nobody owns a headset.

Something's got to give. Valve can't wait around for someone to do the job for them anymore. Especially since the rest of the industry is migrating to AR/passthrough quality of life stuff instead of gaming, while this new headset seems to be exclusively for gaming first.

>>725669585
TF2 2 <3

>>725669632
The Quest 3 prescription lenses I think are around $100.

>>725669389
>Ethernet connection
What do you mean? Yeah my PC has Ethernet connection I don't see how that's relevant to anything when I'm playing a game offline while wired via a USB cable.

>>725669694
>near sighted
>eyes 1 cm from screen
>see no difference
no fucking shit you fucking retard LMAO

finally i can play my autistic grand strategy and pre-console layout games with trackpads, the radial menus if you are autistic enough and willing to sink time into setup are amazingly powerful

>>725658474
What the fuck is the point of controller grips you can't wrap your fucking hands around
Trackpads could have easily been way smaller

>>725669632
...that's why you would go with taking your glasses off and using the headset with the prescription lenses clipped in

>>725669834
Some folk still said they needed glasses.

>>725663332
the 8 gen 3 is over 3 years old, it can't play genshin properly ffs

this is important because it provides a widely used spec for devs to target against when making their games

it's been the issue with PC gaming forever but having a "lower bound" of relevant hardware to support has never existed before, this gives devs the ability to say "if you have a steam machine you can run my game" and anyone with a better computer can obviously run it better.

shit on it all you want, but its open architecture and hopefully decent pricing will change how Microsoft and Sony are looking at their PC releases. If this thing is going to run PS5 and Series X games better or the same as these base consoles they are going to start fucking bleeding software sales.

Linux won.

>>725669921
the prescription lenses would be as expensive as the headset

>>725669694
>>725669834
Most headsets have a focal point of about 2 meters, so your vision will be affected by about how well you see things that far away at worst

>>725669719
sorry I don't have cosmic fag powers, seems like thats more your speed

HOW MUCH WILL IT FUCKING COST

WHEN CAN I FUCKING BUY IT

GABEN YOU COCKTEASE

TELL MEEEEEEEEEEE

>>725670098
do you think in another decade it'll be linuxchads running the show and people with linux skills and familiarity have the best jobs in the sector?
can't wait if so

>>725670194
The Quest 3 is $500. This is marginally better, so $899.

>>725670153
Not when you aren't buying lenses from the designer glasses monopoly that charges you retarded markup for something that costs them under 10 dollars to produce.

>>725670153
No, they are not. Here's an example

>>725670314
Index was over $1000 so it's probably going to be more than that.

>>725670491
According to the Gamers Nexus video Valve said it shouldn't cost more than the Index

>>725669014
theyre either designed so you can wear glasses whilst playing or you can buy thick pads like >>725669490 to make room for glasses
alternatively spent like $100 on prescription inserts, if you really like VR it's worth the money for the improvement in comfort

>>725670491
Then they are dumb. There is no high end VR market. Even Apple has poor sales.

They have better chances than the Samsung one that just released, but keep in mind that has OLED and this is the same as the Quest 3. Most people can't play VR without getting nausea. So it leads to short play periods. Plus I think the 5070 ti is what you need for a good experience, so even more money and less of a market.

>>725670635
if it costs as much as the index it's going to be DOA, the market for expensive VR headsets is tiny and basically eating itself at this point as it's not growing

How's the Big Screen 2? Seems better in every way

>>725670635
That is meaningless given inflation went up 50% since the Index released.

>>725669823
to the Pico. I connect via ethernet to a switch

>>725670491
>>725670790
It's offering roughly the same thing as the newer Quest models and should be more competitive with them.

Index was $1,000 6 years ago, it's now obsolete in various ways and an equivalent new headset is not worth that much

You are retarded if you think its going to place the index.
Its built to be cheap, its going to be $300~ to beat the Quest.
Hell it even uses AA batteries instead lithium batteries.

>>725670291
no because linux becoming mainstream requires linux "skills" to no longer be necessary aka it needs to be as retard friendly as windows is