Thread 725671465

>8gb vram
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>725671465 (OP)
What does vram do

wow thats crazy mr. AInigger

>steam machine again
>vr again
>controller again

>>725671465 (OP)
>retard fooled into thinking we need more than 8GB of VRAM because every cuck dev refuses to optimize their games
Maybe stop playing slop.

>>725671554
How much stuff can your gpu run. It matters but it's also a poorfag cope that their outdated old tech gpu is still "good" just because it has a lot of memory but that's all it has for it

>>725671742
they've marketed it as a 4k device lol. 8gb is barely enough for 1080p these days.

>>725671465 (OP)
it's AMD shared architecture, I dunno the name for it, that works more like a playstation does where RAM and VRAM can work together and somewhat interchange / be shared, not to mention it's not dealing with overhang from WIndows, so it's theoretically capable of punching above its supposed weight.

>>725671465 (OP)
name one game that needs more

>>725671968
this runs PC games mr retard. it's not a console.

>>725671916
>marketed it as a 4k device
"4K with FSR". as in, it's not actually good for 4K worth a damn by itself.

>>725672037
at 4K even with shitty FSR 3.1? Every game from 2024 to date

>>725672119
what is a console then

>8gb
Yea that's a pass. This a poorfag machine.

Im interested in the VR for my pc.

I use a laptop with an 8gb VRAM card and I've never ran into all these issues that supposedly exist with it. I play at native 1200p on the laptop screen or 1440p with DLSS on my monitor

>>725671465 (OP)
I play at 1080p and don't give a fuck about meme resolutions

>>725671554
Imagine a bus stop

>>725672223
Mini PCs don't have the muscle for 4k anyway so the VRAM would be wasted.

>>725672238
You do understand that consoles can't play pc games right? Like you get rhat right?

>>725671465 (OP)
Literally fine retard its using FSR4 to upscale 320p to 4k which uses 0gb vram.

>>725672868
answer the question, faggot. you wanted to be pedantic about what a console is so tell me what a console is

>>725672868
you should probably shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.
all 3 platforms share components, architecture and design with modern PCs, instead of shit like cell/emotion processing and the like, and they run PowerPC, which basically means Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft (especially Microsoft) are effectively running closed-garden PCs with their own operating systems. the difference between a PC and a Console game is quite literally just release and optimizations/settings. you think they support a mouse and keyboard just because some drivers are there?

the only segregation between platforms is 100% artificial.

>>725672934
>FSR 4
>RDNA 3
In your dreams

I played Hogwarts Legacy at 4K with my 4070 Super. Had to play with frame gen and it was so stuttery and annoying. So good luck on something even worse!

>>725672716
I had drops to below 40fps on medium silent hill 2 on a 4060 so either you are completely retarded or you accept console performance.

>>725671576
>things people were asking for
NOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD VALVE DO THIS
it's the Switch 2 all over again

>>725671554
YUGE epenis.

If this thing is priced right like $299 or $399 it’ll be very appealing as the ps6 will likely be $599 or $699 with nextbox around $1200. Playing mostly the same games granted at lower visuals but it’ll have mods and allow you to fiddle with settings to get your desired output.

The controller looks awful but that’s a small issue when you can use brand for it. Plus you’ll likely be able to stream through GeForce Now like the deck.

I haven’t played a graphically demanding, AAA video game in like 8 years.

This is perfectly fine for the type of shit I play.

As long as I can play new kusoge at a stable framerate I’ll be happy.

>>725671576
steam machine remake remastered

>>725673996
>$299 or $399
lol. i'd say it's $499 minimum

>>725671465 (OP)
VALVTENDO SHITCUBE

>>725674019
>a graphically demanding, AAA video game in like 8 years.
it's hard to even give a shit about high end pcs when these games all run like shit on high end pcs as well

>>725671554
allows you to play at meme resolutions and enables meme tech like RT
beyond that its a number AI trannies fight over and nothing else

Now I don't know wherever to get this or a gayman laptop,I don't think it will cost more than 800?Right?

>>725674623
If you're looking for something portable, a laptop will generally always be weaker because they use special laptop-optimized versions of hardware that are inherently less powerful. If you're using a laptop more like a PC that just happens to be cheaper to get pre-assembled, then just get a prebuilt PC or Steam Machine at that point.

>>725673996
>it'll totally be $400
pffffff ahahahahHAHAHAHAhaha
do you have any idea how fucking expensive and rare mini pc parts are? that shit is custom made and stripped down from the full size components. it will be $800 minimum in the current market. MINUMIM

I was thinking about picking up a Framework desktop to have as a mini PC but this honestly might be more catered to me. I have a PC but I mostly use it for work and I honestly don’t like playing games at my desk anymore.

If it’s priced well it’ll be a day 1 buy for me. I’m hoping it comes bundled with the controller because I really want one of those.

>>725671554
It Dougs

>>725675543
This.

>>725671554
Something that shouldn't matter, but only matters because developers are incompetent third worlders.

>>725672868
Based. 4/10 bait

>>725671554
it vrams

>>725672238
A computer that has a restrictive operating system you're not allowed to change, that only lets you run approved software on it.

>>725671465 (OP)
steam have the stats what people are playing
they determined 8gb is enough

>150w max powerdraw
>12gb VRAM
>2x12gb 5200+mhz RAM
>4060 equivalent GPU performance
>2tb SSD
>$699 or less

Now I will buy your Gabecube

>>725676368
>HD texture pack. 32 gb card
>still uses less than 6gb at 1080p
was this supposed to prove a point?
vram is a meme

>>725671465 (OP)
As long as it's a better "pc" than my old 980ti based tower, for less than 1000€, I'll buy one.
Injust don't want to pur more than this in a hardware anymore, Indon't lost faith in AAA titles.

>>725671576
What did you want instead

>>725672868
How fucking stupid are you? Consoles have been playing nearly every PC game for years.

>>725671916
>8gb is barely enough for 1080p nowadays
Maybe if you play nothing but UE5 slop

Cant you just make a bigger swap file?

>>725677621
Do you play games on low poorfag-kun?

My 2060 Super has 8GB of VRAM and most games don't even use the majority of it, possibly up to 6GB at most. You can actually play a lot of games at 1440p with 6GB of VRAM, maybe not shit like RDR2, Cyberpunk, and shit like that, but if you look at the other 75% of games; they're not using more than 6GB of VRAM probably.

>>725677725
Wow I can't ttpe anymore me need sleep

>>725671465 (OP)
Human eye can't see beyond 8GB VRAM

>>725671916
UE5 slop unironically is the exception to the rule

>>725678136
NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I NEED TO PLAY THE LATEST FOTM UNREAL ENGINE 5 GAMES WITH RTX AND PATH TRACING ENABLED OR ELSE IT'S LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

>>725674516
This, you nailed
>>725674019
True

>>725671742
>dude just type the right code in and then you can fit an infinite amount of stuff in vram
"optimization" has been turned into a buzzword by tech illiterate gamers

>>725677728
a pony

>>725678409
>dude we NEED every game to be 300GB and play at 360fps at 8k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, I can play this stupid fucking game too.

>>725671465 (OP)
It does everything the next Xbox does and you can emulate Xbox one games for the backwards compatibility so...

>>725678583
no amount of screeching will change reality. if you want lower quality textures in exchange for less vram usage then you can do that in an options menu by setting the textures to low.

>>725678409
>dude just stack the ladders!
Jeet coded time crunched software is almost always horribly wasteful

>>725678136
devs are pretty much always going to target averages anyway
a good engine will of course use more VRAM than the target, for better performance, but a good engine would also be able to make use of host-visible memory, which is going to be much more performant on an APU than it is on a normal PC, thanks to the shared memory
if it's anything like how they did the steam deck, the delineation between RAM and VRAM becomes a lot thinner

>>725678752
We're already talking min requirements

I would've asked how much an extra few Gb of memory would've cost but with the price fluctuations happening recently they probably skimped out on it because they anticipate prices to increase while this thing is on sale.

>>725671554
it virtually rams textures into your eyeballs, hence the name VRAM.

>>725671578
God, I love being white

>>725679194
On the official page it says one version will have 512GB and the other will be 1TB. They always charge an assload more for extra storage. I think 1TB is more than enough for the average person. Only autistics are burning through 2-3TB worth of shit a year.

>>725678136
vram became a total meme that retarded children think is a measure of performance because AI obsessed youtubers cry about for views. its a spec that doesn't translate to performance outside of very specific scenarios but its an obvious number that they can argue about easily

>>725671465 (OP)
looks like shid

Just buy the retroid pocket 6

>>725679742
Steam has finally invaded the ghetto booty marketshare

>>725672757
uhhhh anon?

If the Deck 2 is releasing in 2028 and has worse specs than this then I'm out.

>>725671576
Second times the charm

>>725679823
Ofc the ugly scat nigger replies to a post talking about shit

>>725671465 (OP)
Plenty to generate furry porn

>>725679920
Crazy about that sepsis.

>>725679194
>>725679619
gamersnexus video shows the nvme slot is easily accessible and can fit a full 2280 unlike the 'eck.
only a fool would pay for anything other than the cheapest/lowest storage option

>>725673132
Nintendo does use ARM which is actually different but
>the only segregation between platforms is 100% artificial
True.

>>725672716
You won't find any issue with most games because they either accounted for it or the engine itself handless the issue.
Basically you'll find countless parts of the environment to either be textureless or they'll pop in extremely near you, it's only a few games where running out of VRAM will tank the performance or straight up refuse to run.

>>725679619
>>725680029
I meant video memory (vram)

>>725671554
Very Relaxed Anal Massage

>>725671576
Exactly what I wanted.

>>725672868
There's no reason why they wouldn't be able to, tho, except the switch because it uses ARM.
You can find videos of people putting linux on a ps4 and running steam games on it, the performance is shit since there's no proper drivers, but they can run PC games perfectly fine with the correct operating system, hell, xbox is quite literally an stripped down windows without the bloat.

>>725679532
You had enough money for a 4090 yet went with the shittiest aftermarket version

>>725680251
its not going to have the raster performance for any new games above 1080p native so more vram wouldnt do shit

>>725672238
A locked down system that doesn't allow you to do anything outside the designed functions without hacking.

It'll be fun when Steam Machine ends up lower priced than the next xbox and playstation, and the seething that will flow.

CPU
Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C / 12T up to 4.8 GHz, 30W TDP
GPU
Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs 2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP

This shit means nothing to me. How powerful is it?

>>725671465 (OP)
>symmetrical joysticks

>>725680657
>next xbox
ive got some bad news, anon

>>725671465 (OP)
>claim it's a 4k capable machine
>8gb vram
surely they saw this coming

>>725673261
I never played SH2, I don't play any remakes out of principle

>>725680676
yo thats a lot of specs i dont understand?? lets just argue about vram instead my favorite youtuber told me thats the only spec that matters

>>725671465 (OP)
It's ok, it's not running shitdows 11

>could probably hold at least 4 steam deck motherboards inside
>only twice the vram
DOA steam (dead on arrival)

>>725671576
Either way, you won't be able to afford them in bharatland, jeetbro

>>725680863
Remakes are the only reason I am still alive...

>>725673261
Just don't play shitty UE5 games then? Problem solved.

>>725681052
Cool, so now you have to buy windows if you want to play any multiplayer game that isn’t CS2 or DotA

>>725679532
Post yours, nigger

>>725681505
>>>>protondb
At this point on average its more likely games run on Linux than don't.

>>725680590
>>725681584

I’m permanently uninstalling steam if it doesn’t come with secure boot. I’ll have completely lost any faith in valve as a company if they fail this one simple task

I bought 5060 16gb for LLM to make... Stuff. Is it useless in gaming?

>>725680608
It will have better raster performance than any current gen console till it runs out of vram.

raster deez nutz

>>725672716
Anon but how are you supposed to play awfully made cash grab demakes then!?

Damn this thing is TINY.

>>725681827
>runs out of vram
not unless youre a retard using a 4k texture pack with memetracing
8gb is more than enough for 1080p

>>725672124
>amd makes drivers for its cards
>crashes weekly
>amd makes cards for consoles and steam deck/machine
>works flawlessly
What gives?

>>725682031
>8gb is more than enough for 1080p
It's not 2011, I don't do anything on a 1080p screen

>>725671465 (OP)
You don't need more for console tier settings.
I think you could make the criticism that it's coming out too late (over 5 years after Xbox and PS5) but then again games will still be developed around current-gen consoles (and now the steam machine) for years after the release of PS6 and next Xbox.

>>725682032
Valve isn't a video card manufacturer trying to scam their customers. Obviously a higher spec one will come out later.

>>725671465 (OP)
Planning on running AI inference on it or something? 8gb is most likely fine. You have to consider this isn't a high-end gaming system. It's not going to be running shit at 4k 120fps, so it won't need a lot of VRAM to store high-res textures and cache frames or whatnot. Also, since it's an OS dedicated 100% to gaming, the system resources will stretch much further than a bloated Windows install.

I suggest you wait and see. I think it will be fine, though. I don't think they're lying when they said they tested it and it was fine for most games.

>>725671465 (OP)
>this is at best a rtx4060
OH NO NO NO NO BAHAHAHAHAHAHA WEAKER THAN THE PS5 PROOOOOOOOO

>>725682198
cool, then you can use upscaling to get to your displays resolution.
still don't need more than 8gb to render at 1080p

>>725682031
This device is literally marketed as a 4k device just like the consoles. The difference is the devs figure all that shit for consoles so the end user doesn't need to worry or care about if they're getting 4k or not. This machine leaves the settings to the user just like any other pc and your average joe will crank it to 4k expecting it to just work.

>>725671465 (OP)
*some specifications subject to change ahead of availability
lets hope it's ram

>>725682032
>nvidia/amd release an 8gb gpu
>wtf this is a worthless piece of shit 8gb can't do anything!
>valve releases an 8gb pre-built
>another brilliant move from valve, developers just need to optimize better
God, fanboys make it impossible to discuss anything on the internet.

>>725682307
>Obviously a higher spec one will come out later.
Wow so just like gpus? Fucking retard.

>>725671465 (OP)
FUD posters are so retarded. I was already in the market for a SFF PC for the living room and this thing just made my decision 10x easier. Already have a high-end gaming PC and 'eck so this will fit right in. Valve won yet again. Cope and seethe about it if you must.

>>725681669
Oh right, like valorant, call of duty blops 7, GTAV, PUBG, Arma 3, Destiny 2, Rust, Apex Legends, League of Legends, Battlefield 1 through 6 and a game I KNOW /v/ plays, R6 Siege

>725682557
no (You) for you
bait harder

it's not supposed to be some kind of high-end PC
it's a poorfag solution

>>725682032
The difference is those 8gb graphics cards aren't marketed as being capable of 4k60 like the steam machine. People who know about graphics cards know x60 cards are basically 1080p esports cards now. The steam machine has worse performance than a 5060 or even a 4060 but claims to be capable of 4k60 gaming. Even with FSR that's a stretch.

>>725671554
It rams /v/

>>725682349
Yup. It's for console, casual, gamers. It's primarily going to get played by kids playing minecraft and other low spec shit like emulators.


It gives valve time to develop their software stack better before releasing an ULTRA L33T HAXOR GAMER edition, probably with something crazy like 64gb unified ram/vram (like apple is doing.)

>>725682745
And yet it will cost more than actual poorfag pc because small compact shit = overpriced as fuck

>>725672238
>what is a console?
A completely gimped locked down PC that arbitrarily is limited from reaching its actual potential? Typically sold to absolute fucking retards along with a monthly subscription to use the internet they already paid for.

>>725682562
only reason those dont work is anti-cheat not being enabled for linux. its an easy fix for the devs they just dont have enough demand to change it.

when 60 million people are gaming on their new gabecubes you can expect that to change overnight.

>>725671465 (OP)

- 6-Core 12 - thread RYZEN 'Zen 4' - 2022 part
- 16GB DDR5.. will use laptop RAM, can be upgraded, which is a good thing.
- RDNA3 , 8GB GDDR6... basically a custom made RX 7600 for Valve?
- up-gradable M.2.

>>725679532
Bro why haven't you upgraded to the 5090 yet? You're not poor right?

>>725671465 (OP)
Whats that GPU compareable to?

>8GB VRAM
>4K
yeah that's the biggest lie they told in the ad

>>725671465 (OP)
oh no i won't be able to render my unoptimized blender scenes on--
wait that's for videogames?
oh ok sure it's fine

>AMD GPU
No DLSS support, this thing is dogshit senpai.

>>725672720
this shit right here.4k is way beyond diminishing returns.
Fools and money easily parted and all

>>725677045
>what is homebrew

>>725683245
Can't even play MHWilds with this thing.

>>725683169
It literally said 4k with FSR on AMD custom diGPU
I'm guessing they want to keep the price as low as possible.

>>725682874
I'd kill for 64gb of VRAM. AI generation would be insanely fast.

>>725679907
The cube's cpu tdp is 30w and the gpu's is 110w. These specs would last 15 minutes on a battery.

>>725683427
>FSR

>>725683470
then buy 2x 5090s you poor faggot

>>725682032
unlike the novidia jews, Gaben is my friend

>>725682919
Compact shit is what you find in handhelds and phones.

>>725683148
RX 7600

>>725683617
Fuck that. They already got my money for the 5080. that's enough for them.

>>725683018
You can’t even play CS2 or DotA with decent framerate at low settings. What do you hope to achieve with 8gigs instead of 4? You sound like a fanboy. The Deck was dated on release and retards like yourself bought the Deck instead of a handheld that isn’t totally retarded. The Deck’s overshadowing the rest of the market with horrible performance and functionality and fanboys keep buying it and giving it free advertising. I have a steamdeck and I can guarantee you it’s a pos.

>>725671554
it's dedicated RAM for your GPU. "normal" RAM is used by the PC to temporarily store data/assets from the HDD/SSD for the CPU to keep using. analogously the VRAM is used to store data/assets that the GPU will need

Admit it, no one would buy this if it was paired with NVidia GPU since it will be an expensive $2K box.

>>725674821
>special hardware
you're getting silicon marked up a tier and then strangled with shit heatsink due to them chasing the thin meme
The end result is a laptop "5090" matching a desktop 4070

>>725683148
>Whats that GPU compareable to?

It is a 'custom part' for Valve. So there is no actual retail equipment as far as I can tell. But it is comparable to the RX 7600 in clock speed (at boost mode) , but has less compute cores, and runs at a lower power wattage.

>>725682032
The amount of fanboys replying to this is sad

>>725683894
What's there to admit.

>>725683148
>Whats that GPU compareable to?

It is a 'custom part' for Valve. So there is no actual retail equivalent as far as I can tell. But it is comparable to the RX 7600 in clock speed (at boost mode) , but has less compute cores, and runs at a lower power wattage.

>>725675202
A virgin like yourself would be wise to spend his money on a cheap hooker for $800 instead. It would be cash better spent (in your case, virgin)

>>725682032
they love eating whatever comes out from gaben's asshole

>>725683664
this. also I can't stop riding his dick

>>725675202
You should talk to Grok before posting since you certainly are dumber than an LLM and can learn from them.

>>725683894
If this had an nvidia gpu it would make it far more appealing since even last gen nvidia tech (40 series) is very performance and very powerf efficient while having industry leading ray tracing and machine learning capabilities for all those mandatory RT/UE5 games and DLSS upscaling. 4k with DLSS is actually viable nowadays especially with DLSS 4. Hell, if this had RDNA 4 it would be more appealing. But it's stuck with RDNA 3 which crashes and burns with RT games and doesn't support ML upscalers so you're stuck using FSR 3 which we've all grown tired of because it's so shit.

>>725684212
i cant eat solid gold

>>725684392
but you can experience the everliving shit that is the neo-steam machine

OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO BU-

>>725682032
Valve is bringing liberty to console slaves. It has to be applauded.

>>725684514
NOOOOOOO

>>725684380
and it would be $2k like they said.

>>725684546
>locked down hardware
>liberty
yummy yummy gaben shit

>>725684546
this is the main selling point to people who arent aware, even a moron can understand that the things you buy should be yours.

>>725684653
Not for this performance it wouldn't.

>>725671554
It allows devs to make the most unoptimized shit ever.

>>725671576
Good morning sar.

>>725683470
Unified memory is the direction all of computing is going, thankfully.

>>725684546
Yup. They also enable console ease of use on PC when the ecosystem becomes more developed.

They striked at the perfect time.

Explain various computer parts by relating them to parts of the human body.

>>725672238
A MISERABLE LITTLE BOX OF SECRETS!

>>725677984
I'd like to point out that this isn't remotely true.

>>725682031
>>725682415

It's a steam machine, it was meant to replace a console. In other words it's meant to be hooked up to 40" minimum 4k TV not a 24'' 1080/1440 display. We are a 12 to18 months away from the console next gen and steam is putting out a console 15% weaker than the ps5/seriesX. If it was Microsoft every PC shill would be screaming how microsoft is holding back gaming.

>>725680186
>Basically you'll find countless parts of the environment to either be textureless or they'll pop in extremely near you
the only game where I noticed this happening was Space Marine 2 @1440p DLSS Quality if the game had been running for over an hour, what's funny is that it didn't matter if I turned the settings to low or max and what was going on onscreen didn't make a difference, the textures would just stop working and the only way to fix it was to restart the game. inconvenient but not a huge issue
>>725681303
I actually haven't had a problem with the few UE5 games I've tried, Robocop, Marvel Rivals and Tekken 8 all ran very well

>>725685253
>it's meant to be hooked up to 40" minimum 4k TV
thats what FSR is for. you dont need more than 8gb to render at 1080p, this is a fact.

>>725671554
having lots prevents stuttering when the unreal slop you play loads a million 8k textures of a solid colour.

>>725671465 (OP)
Could you play League of Legends on a Steam Controller and Steam Machine? That's all I really care about.

>8gb in 2025? lmao what a joke!
>trailer is 90% indie shit
Valve knows their goys too well

4k is a retarded meme, at least as a rendering target. Even if your system can handle it, you'd be better off spending the horsepower on something more important than resolution.
FSR is fake pixels, but if your TV is 4k then the image is going to be upscaled one way or another. If FSR does that better than the TV's upscaling then there's nothing wrong with it.

>>725672716
and what exactly do you play on it?

>>725685709
Nobody who plays at 4K renders full native 4K nowadays unless they've got a stupid amount of leftpower GPU headroom. 1080-1440p upscaled to 4K looks good enough and runs reasonably, as long as you're using quality upscalers instead of shit like the FSR versions that are present on consoles right now.

Do we know the price of the Gabecube?

>>725671465 (OP)
This could be good because itll keep games from targeting anything near my 16GB of VRAM. I want my GPU to last as long as possible and dont give a shit about graphics

>>725671554
It allows you to run local AI stuff. Don't think my 3060's meme 12gb has ever been used by something else

If they can get it under 400 canadian I'll buy it, otherwise pass

>>725684881
maybe you should look up what nvidias apu offering costs instead of comparing a minipc apu to a discrete graphics card

ill save you some time its a lot more than $2k

>>725671465 (OP)
dead on arrival

>>725685709
The point is even with FSR, the GPU in this thing is
1. Too weak for upscaled 4k because upscaling still has a cost even at the performance preset and looks worse anyway so you'll end up with shit framerates and shit image quality
2. Is lacking in memory so you'll run out of vram unless you use low textures so the games will look like shit regardless

>>725671465 (OP)
How much vram does a ps5 have?

>>725671576
And the Steam Deck 2 will be a slightly bigger, slightly thinner, lighter Steam Deck, and?

Okay so
>steam deck
>All in one gaming handheld and pc

>steam cube
>just a prebuilt pc, no monitor, no controller, not portable
>you can also play the newest games at a decent resolution because that’s important I guess

>steam controller
>just an addon to the cube that you need

>frame
>vr, again, nothing new here, no games

Steam deck is still the best?

>>725685709
Upscaling to 4k is a perfectly viable way to play. The problem is that the GPU in this Gaben system has the performanc similar to something like an RX6600 which is a card that revolves around 60fps in games today.. at 1080p output + when they don't have raytracing. Trying to force that tier of card into upscaled 4k might be a disaster for modern graphically heavy games.

>>725686672
12GB

>>725686835
>not portable
It looks portable enough for me, literally four times smaller than my current ATX tower rig, but no way I'm buying it since its literally not marketed for me.

>>725685774
Good games.

>>725686835
deck is the most versatile but the frame is comparable as an AIO system if you want VR

>>725687264
such as?

>>725671465 (OP)
>make it 8gb vram
>people complain it can't run shit at 4k/120fps
>make it 16gb vram
>people complain it costs $2000+
The latter group of complainers would vastly outnumber the former.

>>725679532
what's the current best gaming CPU

So what's the reason retards are pretending to be experts about this and dooming for, I don't keep up with this shit.

>>725687780
retarded children consumed too much techtuber slop and are convinced vram amount is the end all be all for specs

>>725671465 (OP)

I think it is a mistake to not have a bundle with the steam gamepad. Valve basically released their own custom mini ITX system with SteamOS pre-installed. I would imagine that the system uses a laptop styled motherboard with an embedded GPU and laptop styled SO-DIMM memory that can be upgraded and a M.2 drive. The GPU seems like it will be a dumbed down version of an RX 7600 xt. A custom part designed to reduce overall power usage. It will come down to overall price.

>>725688105
It is in this case because the obvious handicap is the piss poor amount of vram for a device releasing in 2026 and expected to last 2-3+ years beyond. 8gb graphics cards are already on their last legs in 2025.

>>725687594
but steamies said for years that valve could eat the cost of production of hardware to make it good and cheap

>>725687780
>>725688105
>just ignore the shitty specs and consume the product
shalom gaben

>tfw my 3080 is still a damn good card EXCEPT for the 10 GB VRAM meme
Fucking wild how jewwy Ngreedia has always been with Vram

I wonder if it's worth upgrading my current mini pc for a steam box.

>>725688807
being stingy with VRAM is okay (thanks Gaben for an 8gb GPU in late 2025) unless it's the green jews that do it, then it's bad

>>725688807
10gb is fine even for 4k. It's just that 8gb isn't enough for some games even at 1080p. Keep in mind 8gb was midrange levels of vram a decade ago.

>>725689108
>10gb is fine even for 4k. It's just that 8gb isn't enough for some games even at 1080p.
4k is literally 4 times the pixel count of 1080p. how is 8gb not enough for 1080p but 10gb is enough for 4k? that doesn't add up

>>725689372
some vidya can't into optimization

>>725671465 (OP)
more than enough for 1080p

>>725689372
You think vram usage increases 4x because the resolution is 4x bigger? Lol no.

>>725678292
Who wants to play UE5 skins?

>>725689652
i don't think 4k increases vram usage by 4x compared to 1080p, but i'd be baffled if it only used 1.25x more vram. i never used 4K so i don't know

>Can't play GTA VI at launch
>Can't play COD
>Outdated in two years when PS6 comes out
I don't care about that, but why would consolefags buy this?

I find it funny that the only reason why steam hardware might have trouble competing is that the newest slop comes with extra invasive hardware that doesn't support linux, and the only workaround currently for both steam devices is to swap to windows

>>725689108
>8gb was midrange levels of vram a decade ago
it absolutely was not

>>725689989
It's a media center/emulation/minecraft box for kids. A much more powerful, and expensive, version will come later.

This is like judging Intel by only looking at their i3 CPUs

4GB is all you need for actual games.
Above that, is for those "no gameplay and just photorealistic cutscenes where dyke characters whine about Republicans" titles that millennials and zoomers "play"

>>725689967
I have a 3080 10gb. I started monitoring my vram in games after the whole vramgate thing when people were saying you need 12/16gb. I haven't found a game which maxes out 10gb at settings which allow for 60+ fps at 4k including with upscaling. But its almost always above 8gb usage.

>>725689989
Legion Go ran COD around 100fps at 1000p. It only has 8gb in the entire system, I had it set to 6gb for Bram.

>>725671465 (OP)
based gabe saving my poorfag ass as my 12 year old PC is on its last legs t. 30 FPS 1080p chad

>>725690090
The rx 470 and 480 came out in 2016. So did the gtx 1070. The rx 480 8gb was a sub $250 card.

My GPU has 8gb VRAM..........

>>725688543
Valve has no real incentive to sell hardware at a loss. Console makers did that to drive people to their platform. Valve already basically owns the PC vidya market.

>>725690049
>newest slop comes with extra invasive hardware
>hardware
what? are they actually making people plug physical anticheat dongles on their machines to play mp slop now? would be hilarious if true

>>725688635
That's nice sweetie. Can you answer the question?

>>725690049
>extra invasive hardware
examples?

>>725682032
problem is that the 8gb nvidia card costs as much as Valve gamecube.

>>725690258
Let me rephrase it:
>Can't run COD unless you install Windows

>>725690430
the 470 had 4gb and the 480/1070 were not MIDRANGE cards you fucking idiot

>>725685687
Name 3 GOOD AAA games

>>725690103
>for kids
Kids play Roblox on their tablets, they don't need a Steam Machine for that.

>>725690885
Yes they were. The only cards above the 580 were the enthusiast vega cards. The 470 and 480 were their midrange offerings. The 1070 was like $379 and in that mid range price bracket or upper midrange if you want to be specific.

>>725690885
>470 had 4gb
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rx-470-gaming-8-gb.b5540

>>725690795
Even with windows, if it doesn’t have secure boot: money stolen

>>725671465 (OP)
Dual Shock really ruined possible controller configurations for the past 30 years

>>725683069
NTA, but a 5090 isn't much better than a 4090. It would be a fuckin' waste of money to what's essentially a side-grade.

>>725673996
>Xbone 2 and PS6 going for that $1200 starting pricetag
>mog them with a boxed toaster at a fraction of the cost
Otherwise they can always do a retread of their last attempt with the Steam machine 1.0.

>>725671465 (OP)
>PC can only match the base PS4 from 15 years ago in ram

the poorfag race.

>>725691484
poorfag cope

>>725685774
The last few games I've played

The Last Guardian on ShadPS4(took a bunch of configuring but works well and performance is good)
HL2 VR (streamed to a Quest 3)
Alan Wake 2
Jedi Survivor
Space Marine 2

Like I said only Space Marine 2 had this texture issue, all of them except Last Guardian ran at 80fps or higher, ray tracing was enabled when available

What's a good card nowadays anyway?
The only visually intensive game I'm gonna play in the near future is GTA 6. I don't plan on upgrading my 4 1080p screen setup, but I'd like not having to buy DP chaining dongles. I also do Touchdesigner (live visuals for concerts. video clips and a bunch more) and blender (usually simple stuff for touchdesigner.)

>>725692102
still the 3080 ti or maybe the 5070. Everything else is a meme

>>725673314
I didn't ask for this. I wanted Heavy update for TF2 or L4D3 or even dare I say Half-Life 3.

>>725671554
makes vram vram sound in racing games

>>725691676
Different anon here, either you're somewhat decently baiting, or genuinely retarded.

The 50 series entire gimmick is AI making up for low FPS in badly made games.

>>725692102
>The only visually intensive game I'm gonna play in the near future is GTA 6.
you didn't see the leaks? that thing can run near maxed 60fps on a gtx 1660, you would only lose out on gaytracing on that card
if your pc can run current games semi-passably it can run goyta6 perfectly

>>725692102
>1080p
9060XT. Used 4070.

>>725690650
nta but I think he's talking about the TMR (i think it's called that) motherboard chip bs for windows 11 and shit like bf6

>>725679840
>Download ACECRAFT

opinion discarded

>>725690103
holy cope

This is a Xbox

>>725690582
people are disappointed because the specs suck. it's that simple. a low IQ nigger should be able to understand that but I guess gaben's defense force can't even do that

>>725692031
as I imagined you only played slop

>>725678136
>RDR2
Dude that shit runs on a GTX 1650 on Ultra. RDR2 is insanely well optimized for a PC port.

>>725692492
yeah but i got a 1070ti that's seen better days and it's sagging more than a prison bitch. that entire computer is cursed and I need to get rid of it.

If it checks all these boxes
- Game Mods
- High-End PC specs
- Soulful UI interface
- Community interaction
- Steam style gamepass
- Affordable Online service
- No exclusives
I'M SOLD!!!!

>>725693293
what have you been playing

>>725693210
if the goycube doesn't perform well then gave can't buy another yacht company, please understand

You can get up to 96 gb VRAM on a macbook pro (if you get a 128gb UM system).

>>725674516
Ray tracing is not enabled by the amount of vram you have. It's enabled by whether the GPU has RT cores or RT accelerators.
The GTX 1080 ti has 11GB vram which sounds like a modern enough amount, but it still can't do proper ray tracing because the architecture is too old.

>>725693324
>High-End PC specs
>8gb of vram
you're in for a rude awakening

>>725693348
armored core 6 and terraria, none of that movie shit yore playing

>>725693693
it’s bait

>>725671465 (OP)
Already more than current gen consoles

>>725693834
modern consoles have 16GB tho

>>725671576
>aquajeet seething he can't afford any

>>725693656
RT is vram heavy so yes it does enable it. You could have the fastest RT accelerators but without sufficient vram it's useless. That's why cards like the 5060 got shat on because the hardware is good and very capable but it hits a hard limit because it doesn't have enough memory to run even basic RT in some cases.

>>725671576
>Calls out steam machine because its another dogshit
>Jeets preemptively call you a jeet
Man poorfaggot jeets really want this dogshit huh?

>>725671465 (OP)
>>725671554
Guys, these products are peripherals that are intended to support your current PC.
Anyone who wants Steam-focused hardware already has at least 1 desktop or laptop they play their games on, which is going to be more powerful than anything Valve could logically produce at a mass scale especially if it's somebody's gaming desktop.
They are basically ways to expand your PC gaming in a convenient way.

The price of RAM tripled in like an year, the gabecube will be expensive as shit

>>725671554
Imagine a Big Mac™.
VRAM is the patty.
CPU is the bun.
The amount of GBs is the secret sauce.

>>725681983
Not as tiny as your penis.

>>725693656
RT needs dedicated hardware but it also increases VRAM consumption

>>725694089
I'm still using a 2070 Super with the same 8GB as the 5060. I have yet to encounter a single game with ray tracing that I can't run or where I have to turn RT off entirely. In the worst cases I'm still getting it but at medium settings and with DLSS Performance which still looks acceptable

>>725671465 (OP)
8GB is enough for 1080p which is what this machine will be doing

>SAAAARR NEED MORE VRAM FOR AI SAAAARRRR
As expected.

>>725695086
My 2070 shat the bed every time a game defaulted to raytracing on even though it couldn't run it

hilarious how /v/ and /g/ have been screeching for 5 years now that 8GB VRAM is stingy and unacceptable, but now that Gaben's gonna sell 8GB in 2026 suddenly it's gonna be ok and only jeets wanted more

>>725695612
Yeah Gaben is my daddy and I love him, okay?

>>725671465 (OP)
how much is the controller? Im actually interested since it isnt another xbox controller

>>725690517
>>725690650
had a brainfart and meant to say software, literally most modern normalfag games have some sort of anticheat that is incompatible with linux

>>725671465 (OP)
so what is this equal to? im getting different answers some people are saying rtx3060 others are saying rtx4060 with a ryzen 7

>>725696051
It's a cut-down Navi 33, so in terms of raw performance it's a Radeon 7400/7600M (same chip). 7400's performance should be roughly that of an RTX2060Super, so slightly below RTX3060 performance.

>no audio jack
why

>>725695086
DLSS performance at 1080p is like 480p

>>725696360
if this is any more than 3-400 its a total rip off if thats the case

>>725695957
Oh, yeah.
Well I noticed a huge overlap in games... between usage of invasive kernel level-anticheat, along with the game tending to also have identity-politic propaganda and being full of SJW/tranny shit. It's slop made for niggercattle who are already fully hooked up to the Matrix's slop-feeding machine

>>725696051
3060 and 4060 are basically the same performance so where's the confusion?

>>725695376
shalom

>>725696493
It's 540p internally, but looks a lot better than that.

>>725696505
They said the price is around an entry level PC. Take a guess.

>>725696634
another anon just told me its a 2060 now you are telling me its a 3060 and 4060 i wonder where its coming from indeed

>>725696493
It's at 1440p for me, so 720p internal. I think it looks good, better than 1080p native

>>725696505
I'm predicting 399 for the 512gb version and 499 for the 2tb version

>>725695612
it was always ok for a card targeting 1080p

>>725672934
Linux don't got FSR4 unless you use Optiscaler which don't work on multiplayer games (most of which don't work on Linux cause of anti-cheat.)
t. Linuxfag

>>725695612
I love eating shit pallets from gaben's asshole, how could you tell?

>>725696808
use the word doesn't and have instead of dont and got you fucking retard

>>725696447
>he doesn't own a pair of steampods

>>725696996
dilate

>>725696854
what's a "shit pallet"? like one of those wooden things used to help forklifts carry stuff, but made of shit?

>>725696774
2070 super has better hw features than anything in rdna 3. Dlss 4 is better than fsr3 could ever dream to be and dlss 3 is better too. And the rt cores in the 2070 are probably more capable than whatever shit amd used in rdna cards before finally going with decidicated ray tracing cores like nvidia with their latest gen.

>>725696771
It's an overclocked rx 7400

>>725671465 (OP)
So this will be worthless for AAA titles and will be far weaker than a PS5.

>>725697096
learn english if you are going to be bragging about using linux retard

>>725671554
heh vidcoms

>>725672037
Indiana Jones.
Final Fantasy 16
Black Myth Wukong

>>725673261
>medium
>console performance
You're delusional. Consoles are usually high performance + upscalers.

>>725672124
it means that fsr 3 render at full hd and upcale it to 4k
or from hd to 2k

>>725671576
Regardless if this fails or succeeds they will stop at version 2.

>>725697167
it was supposed to be pellet but I guess I messed the word and the auto correct went for pallet instead

>>725697245
I don't think valve cares about AAA games, this is mostly for AA or indie games.

>>725671554
choose between low, medium, high or ultra settings the higher the graphical setting the more VRAM, most games nowadays are going past 8GB and the standard people are going for with GPU's is 16GB because game devs are fucking retards

>>725697220
underclocked*

hehehe

gabecube

>>725697710
Google shows 7400 being 2.3ghz while the steam machine gpu is listed as 2.45ghz

>>725671465 (OP)
>muh vram
like 70% of steam users are on 8gb or less. most people dont care about running native 4k with raytracing enabled

people who actually play games are doing so just fine with their 6gb and 8gb cards. not everyone is an AI obsessed jeet who only cares about vram and doesn't even look at any other specs.

>>725697986
the most common GPU in the steam survey is the 3060 and that has 12GB tho

>>725697986
70% of steam users aren't playing at 4k. Steam machine is marketed as a 4k 60 fps device. Those people who are still using 8gb cards are mostly esports players.

>>725698335
>4k 60 fps device
it clearly says with FSR. normal people don't care about upscaling either btw.

Oh no it's only going to run 99.5% games in existence+ emulation

>>725674623
You can use DLSS with a laptop. Get that.

>>725698082
3060 has both 8GB and 12GB models, and the cheaper 8 is probably the more common one

>>725698467
Not him but how noticeable is upscaling (at 4k)? Never used it.

Let's say hypothetically it IS $300-400. How does this affect the market in general?

If you think about it from the perspective of a parent, it's a lot cheaper than a PS5 or a Switch 2 so there's savings to be had. It's the kind of situation where I feel like you won't truly see the effects of it for a decade or so, as kids who grow up on this thing become teens/adults who then buy whatever followup console Valve makes to this. I don't think it would make too big of a splash now because most people who want consoles have consoles and a ~$50-100 change won't make the difference between buying one or not for most consumers. Then again, it might depend on the "big" games for the console, a parent buying a child a console for their birthday or Christmas would want to get them whatever the next big AAA game is that the kid wants, and if Steam doesn't have that then that could be an issue. I wonder if they released this at the opportune time, or if a few more years of getting huge games on PC would make a bigger difference.

>>725671465 (OP)
as someone interested in emulation, should i get this machine? or am i better off going for some past gens i7? really need to upgrade my 2013 rig

>>725698467
Even with FSR it's going to struggle. GPUs that are many times more powerful than a 7600 like 4070, 5070 etc struggle to play at 4k without DLSS.

>>725690513
>Valve has no real incentive to sell hardware at a loss.
not what steamies said tho

>>725698684
DLSS can look very good.
FSR versions 1 through 3 tend to look shitty, ghosting artefacts all over the place etc, FSR 4 can come close to matching DLSS but it's questionable whether this Steam Machine with an older architecture will be capable of it

I will put Bazzite on it and make it even better.

>>725698684
DLSS is like magic. It's basically identical to native with DLSS 4. FSR 3 is significantly worse than DLSS and probably the worst upscaler on the market because even XeSS is better nowadays.

>>725671465 (OP)
8gb is probably enough to play 95% of games supported by steamos. You lack the perspective valve has running the steam. They know precisely what games people play and how much vram these games need.

>>725698654
without a source I doubt the 8GB is more common just because it's cheaper. you can't even pick it out of the steam hardware survey because 8GB is so common on BETTER cards.

>>725698749
It doesn't have wide market appeal and it isn't aiming to. It isn't going to be on the shelves at walmart or whatever.

Parents aren't going to be buying these for their kids in any significant numbers.

>>725699136
I don't need to play Spider-man 2.

>>725671465 (OP)
Steam ouya

>>725699234
yeah dont worry guys its just one game

>>725671465 (OP)
>8gb vram
so it's going to be like $300, right?

>>725698082
>steam survey
you mean that thing thats done by the people who made this and what they used to determine which specs it should have? and they seem to think 8gb is enough for the vast majority of their userbase for the games most of them are playing?

woah...

>>725698838
Selling at a loss selling at a tremendous loss like your childish brain thinks it is. It means it will start at a small loss with the aim to be selling at cost once either economies of scale or enough time kicks in.

Dispatch can be played on 1GB of VRAM and that looks amazing. 8GB is more than enough.

>>725699136
You don't in most games...at 1080p. Steam machine is trying to take on consoles by targeting 4K/upscaled 4K.

>>725699136
>>725699340
It's a + for VRAM and RAM for a reason, they work to share between each other thanks to how the architecture works. We don't know how extensive that actually is and it probably isn't a magic solution, but 8GB isn't quite "right". Combine that with being able to upgrade the RAM with some disassembly and it might be able to do more than an old 8GB card on its own.

>>725671465 (OP)
>plays elden ring and everything before perfectly including all retro libraries
Kino cube that'll be hooked directly to my crt

>>725698749
What parent? No one is having kids anymore. This shit is being sold to adults. And you need a credit card to buy games for it in the first place.

>*grabs you*
>*puts you on your knees*
Listen up, you stupid bastard. They marketed the GabeBox in their announcement as a PC. Because it essentially is, it has all the functions of a pc.

How much will a decent PC tower run you? £600 at the absolute minimum. That 8GB GPU you're all making fun of alone is probably 3-400.

I'll be playing only good and well optimized games on GabeNCube, thank you very much.

>>725671465 (OP)
So there's actually another Steam Machine? I was just saying that as a joke

>before today: you should never buy an 8gb card because 8gb is not enough to play games only a retard would buy that
>after today: 8gb is the perfect amount of vram nobody needs more unless they're playing at 4k
Really makes you think.

>>725699617
>i cant play this trannyslop game at very high settings with a budget card!!!!
ok?

>>725678368
We've all been there buddy.

>>725698467
>normal people don't care about upscaling either btw.
Lol most normalfags will use upscaling if they need performance. In fact that's what most games default to when auto-detecting your settings, and when you change the graphics preset in newer slop it also alters your upscaling factor.
>>725698684
4k is such an absurd amount of pixels that basically all upscaling looks acceptable with it, and it's way more viable than upscaling to 1080p/1440p. FSR2/3 and XESS are mediocre with it, I'd only ever use Quality or higher (66%+) and even that will still look worse than native. DLSS2-3 is pretty solid at 4k but I wouldn't go below Balanced (58%). FSR4 and DLSS4 upscaling are great with 4k, you can generally drop down even to Performance (50%) without a noticeable loss of visual quality - sounds like bullshit on paper but if you try it you'll see.

>>725697280
No way Jose

>>725683245
>nvidia on linux
just don't.

>>725699882
>that game doesn't count

>>725693784
>fromslop
>indieshit

>>725698749
Maybe it eats some of Mircosoft's lunch.
They're aimed at a few very particular groups of people, like people that both have a Steam account with recent releases, and also don't have a desktop to play them on. People with aging gaming laptops that no longer care for the portability.
Some people bought the Alienware Steammachine despite the price, and specs.

>>725671465 (OP)
>new console announced
>/v/ shits on it regardless of how promising it looks
are you guys just constantly miserable?

Anything over 1080p is a meme so 8GB is more than enough

>>725694116
SAAAAAARRR

>>725671465 (OP)
>8gb vram
>in 2025
>in the era of unoptimized AI slop

>>725671554
Graphics card.

Why is FSR 4 so demanding on performance compared to DLSS

>>725684113
>>725684323
He's right you fucking retards. No chance in hell this is cheaper than a Steam Deck.

>>725671554
textures and 3d models take space (bytes) on the GPU, more vram means more and higher quality textures can be stored.

>>725678136
>You can't play anything popular or new, so VRam doesn't matter!

>muh 4k
>muh 16GB of VRAM
>only to play 1 or 2 shitty AAA and the rest is ntohing but indies and 2D games
lol, lmao

>>725700518
>>725700527

>Buying a machine with ps4 specs in 2026

>>725671554
load 1 "compressed" UE5 texture

I have a Lenovo Laptop with 6GB VRam. I am able to play everything out at Medium to High settings at 1080 except for FF16, MGS Delta, and Indiana Jones (played well but crashes when you beat the first area.)

>>725671465 (OP)
I only want to play old games because new games are shit, so this doesn't affect me

>>725700896
FSR4 isn't innately more demanding, it's just that the RTX hardware shit is everpresent on all RTX cards from 2000 to 5000 series so it can run the upscaler consistently across the GPU generations. Whereas FSR4 depends on instructions sets specifically made for specialized hardware present on the RDNA9000 cards but NOT present on RDNA5000-7000 cards, so the older cards have to emulate FSR4 which incurs a cost.

>>725699438
ESL?

>>725701103
so you ARE constantly miserable, got it.

>>725671576
I don't have much faith on the controller but on the os I do.

>>725676107
Retard

>/v/ is going to pretend 8GB vram is enough for any modern slop
>after spamming 24/7 about MUH POORFAGS 3RD WORLD BROWNS who can't run modern slop games
Kino.

>weaker than a PS5
Yeah, color me not interested.

>>725671465 (OP)
This will be solid if it's priced under 500 bucks. If it's over 500 bucks it's dead on arrival.

I have a strong pc but spend all my time emulating or playing mods for ancient pc games. If not for AI slopgen, I might as well have gotten this desu

>>725699379
>and they seem to think 8gb is enough for the vast majority of their userbase for the games most of them are playing?
or maybe that they're cheapening out on hardware because it's expensive. oh no it wouldn't be that, gaben is my friend after all

>>725695612
and then those exact same people will turn around and call tendies cultists within the same breath, its a comedy that writes itself

>>725699340
Honestly, apart from the ground texture, it's not that bad

>>725696051
>others are saying rtx4060 with a ryzen 7
no fucking way its less than a grand if true

Why no 9950X3D and 5090 tier console?

>>725671554
it's the sound cars make when they go fast

>>725701886
or maybe 8gb actually IS enough for 1080 native for 99.99999% of games

>>725696769
entry level pcs right now are like 800 bucks anon

>>725678717
Xbox one emulation has not progressed since the moment those emulators started playing Mania, Minecraft, and some other game. They basically tried to merge separate projects and instantly burned out for some reason. Still faster development than the original Xbox got.

>>725679840
That guy was clickbaiting massively. All he says is that some levels have a different timing.

>>725702451
a lot of steam machine cucks are going to be crying in 2026

>Currently, the only devices officially 'Powered by SteamOS' are Steam Deck and Legion Go S
For me the important question is what does this mean for the Steam OS? Are they finally releasing a desktop version of it when this ships? I have no interest in the hardware, well maybe the controller if it's good, but is Steam OS going to become the default Linux Gaming option?

>>725682032
>>725683981
It's an integrated GPU. Just stop being retarded. NEXT!

>>725698749
Realistically at best it will just be a xbox series S replacement at that price point and just as irrelevant.
If it's more expensive it will just be a PiS5 pro with even less reason to exist.

>>725671465 (OP)
IT'S OVER. I home Trump gets impeached for this!!!

i only have 6gb of vram i WILL be buying the steam machine

>>725699712
you can buy a rx 580 or gtx equivalent used for peanuts anon, and it will likely perform just as well as this ewaste cube thanks to how much 8gb cripples current cards

>>725702419
Well the thing is if they are actually shipping Desktop Steam OS you can make one yourself, even slap the meme controller if you feel like it. Make your own Steam Machine with the specs you want
I have no idea if they are doing it though and it will probably be limited to AMD GPUs

>>725671576
steam vr might actually make me finally buy a headset and try alyx thoughbeit

>>725672037
You need 12gb to play cyberpunk above 1080p

Why the fuck is there so much shitposting over this thing?

Are people actually trying to start "console wars" over PC hardware now? I don't understand

>>725690049
if you play triple A slop that does this in the first place you get the rope

>>725683245
>>725683579

>>725683343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvz11tjppS8
I don't get your strategy.

>>725694224
huh, that makes more sense. its to put infront of your tv, stream games from your desktop to it and play like a console. in effect, youll have whatever power console you can afford.

its still silly and destined to sell okay at the start and peter off instantly, but i get the idea. "wanna come over and play some co-op?"

>>725701103
the 970 and rx 290x existed a bit before the ps4 and had 8gb of vram
so literal ps3 tech lol

>>725703476
>cyberpunk
You can play that on consoles

>>725698985
Not wrong, XeSS is much better than FSR
Even XeSS native AA looks a lot better than FSR in native AA mode
AMD should just have given up on FSR and make a deal with Intel to use XeSS instead, it works great on AMD GPUs.

>>725682557
>wow im so smart for buying shitty hardware
ok no one cares?

>>725703056
literally just use bazzite nigger, literally the same thing but without the forced spyware login built directly into the OS and far better driver support

>>725703476
Good thing no gamer with self respect would ever play Goyberpunk

Unfortunately all the new games are made with UE5 and just by the number of releases there will be some I would be interested in and they would run like shit on 8gb cards...
Now obviously if this thing sold tens of millions developers would have to start targeting it, but I don't think they have that kind of reach here

>>725683343
>>725703609
https://youtu.be/3vsycBNkMbM
Ouuggghhhh I accidentally posted one with a 16 GB card. This is an L.

>>725683245
Earlier versions sucked ass but FSR 4 is actually very comperable to DLSS 4, it's as "good" as an upscaler can be. I still think PC gaming became worse overall when upscalers became a thing

>>725703687
But why would you want to?

This this can probably run every single decent game on the market at 60 FPS on medium settings. If this this is $550 or less I honestly feel like that's pretty fucking good. At some point, there's diminishing returns. A lot of the most fun video games I can think of do not need the latest 2025 hardware to run, and if that is not true for you, then I don't trust you to have a sensible opinion about video games.

I'll say this though, it's not futureproofed whatsoever though. In three years, this will be considerably more do shit than it is right now. Three years is barely half a console generation. This steam machine cannot cost more than $650

>4k 60fps with FSR
lol

>>725698928
>it's questionable whether this Steam Machine with an older architecture will be capable of it
Wait they're not putting the latest architecture in it?
Okay I decide it's DOA now

>>725701073
>anything popular or new
Such as..?

if its similar in power to the xbox one or ps5 itll just make them look retarded. between BOTH consoles, theres only 35 exclusive games. thats it. the "steam console" will have literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of games playable on it "exclusive" to it that xbox and ps wont have.

itll still flop, itll just be funny shitposting material

wasnt this supposed to be half life 3 lol

>MacBook Air
>GPU with 16gb of unified memory
kek, steamies and so fucking retarded

>>725705321
>mac
>games
lol

I played wuchang that famously had horrible performance on my 4060 with 8 gb vram, I turned off upscaling with a mod because ue5 games just straight up lie to you now and dont let you turn off upscaling, was and I had had a great time, like 50 fps

>>725704735
woah... its just like every console on the market

>>725705441
oh yeah 1080p

>>725702451
>>725702990
According to the steam hardware survey the vast majority of people on steam can't play the latest UE5 releases anyway.

EmuGODS…we fucking won.

>>725700324
nta AC6 is mecha greatness, not the rollslop shit that gave FROM a bad name. I'd say try it but you probably don't play games that aren't Dwarf Fortress or some map painter.

>>725676368
They call it "overkill" for a reason anon

>>725698335
More like 95%

>>725704623
There is no way it's not over $650, a lot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment when they reveal the prices
My guess is like
$999 for half a terabyte version (also >512gb in 2025 what)
$1199 for 2tb
And that's being optimistic

>>725689989
>>Can't play COD
Why would you want to play CoD over Fortnite?

>>725705806
Does fortnite run on Linux?

>>725673996
>>725675202
It's actually probably be in the realm of $659.99 for the normal one, $699.99 for the one with more storage.
It's not trying to be competitive with home consoles. You can't even buy this on any storefronts that sell a PS5. It's niche hardware produced in small numbers to be sold on a storefront that, if you use, you innately do not need the hardware in question beyond it being an obscene luxury. Same with the Steam Deck.

People trying to talk about how this is going to look "appealing" next to a home console are fucking idiots.

>>725705801

If the price on this thing ends with an 8+, it's dead in the water. There's not enough American consumers to make it worth it.

>>725671465 (OP)
Why not 12gb at minimum?

>>725705939
Addendum
This guy >>725705801 is a retard.
It's still running on outdated hardware and is being lined up next to the Steam Deck. It's inevitably aiming to be within the same price brackets as the Deck, as people who bought that are the ones most likely to buy this product in the wait for the Deck 2.

>>725705939
>50 bucks for more storage
Lol. Steam deck was a 100 bucks more for the higher capacity version.

>>725704950
It's a cost-cutting measure, because they want this to be competitive with or undercutting consoles.
Switch 2 which launched this year uses the same architecture as Nvidia's RTX 30-series cards from 2020. Newer would be better, but wouldn't be only $450

>>725706096
Different form factor, but sure. Doesn't change that I don't see this going beyond the $800 USD price range.

>>725671465 (OP)
/v/ will slurp it up because they worship valve, gaben, and steam (a drm platform where you only own licenses to games)

>worse specs than a ps5
Legit if this thing isn’t vastly cheaper than the other console offerings, theres no point for this to exist outside of linux autism.

>>725673132
>>725672868
okay retard question, the PS3 had OtherOS on it and allowed Linux. Because it used a hypervisor it doesn't really change the argument?
also didn't realize the legal case actually got resolved
>The feature was controversially removed by Sony since system firmware update 3.21, released on April 1, 2010.[2] A class action lawsuit was filed against Sony on behalf of users, but was dismissed with prejudice in 2011 by a federal judge. The judge stated: "As a legal matter, ... plaintiffs have failed to allege facts or articulate a theory on which Sony may be held liable."[3] However, this decision was overturned in a 2014 appellate court decision[4] finding that plaintiffs had indeed made clear and sufficiently substantial claims. Ultimately, in 2016, Sony settled with users who had installed Linux or had purchased a PlayStation 3 based upon the availability of OtherOS.[5]
>The settlement was then rejected in February 2017 by judge Yvonne Gonzalez, citing two problems: the lawyers' high fee percentage, and the users' difficulty in collecting.[6][7][8] Sony responded in September 2017, offering each member of a single proposed class up to $65. This is a change from $55 and $9 payouts for members of two separate classes in the prior proposal.[9]

>>725706127
>because they want this to be competitive with or undercutting consoles.
Stop being retarded.
It innately is not being competitive with other consoles because it's sold on a digital only PC games storefront. If Valve wanted to compete with Sony and Nintendo, you would see this announced at the Super Bowl (hyperbole should be obvious), not via a store page update.

>>725689989
>Can't play GTA VI at launch
GTA VI is the last of it's kind. The future is PC. For almost any other game skipping PC is a death sentence, but GTA can get away with it

>>725705806
Fortnite doesn't work on Linux either. Consolefags would hate this thing.
>Just install Windows bro!
Consolefags want a plug and play machine, they won't do that.

I genuinely like this little shitbox as I can't stand jeetsoft & windows and exclusively use Mac PCs.
So I always wanted a console capable of playing niche PC titles, thanks half-life man!

>>725706252
>theres no point for this to exist outside of linux autism
And that's enough of reason for it to exist since it's another step away from Microdick Windows

>>725671465 (OP)
I don't give a shit about any of it til prices come out
I have 0 hopes they'll be a good deal but it'd be a pleasant surprise if they were

>>725706356
Normalfags suffer from FOMO, they want to play GTA VI as soon as it launches. They won't buy this over a PS5.

>>725671742
OP is an AIfag, it's not about vidya.

>>725679532
>God, I love being white
Whatever you say, Rajesh.

>>725679532
LMAAAAAAAOOO POORFAGGOT now this is a true white mans pc >>725706665

>>725671465 (OP)
But that's still 4x as much VRAM as the 750ti's owned by 102% of the PoserCommunity according to Steam hardware surveys.

>>725706323
Also it’ll only be sold through said website, they’ll miss out on the in store shelf space that Switch, PlayStation and Xbox have had for decades. Someone out shopping might happen across a console and remember someone wanted it for their birthday, graduation etc. There’s something to be said for having the ability to buy something on the spot when you want over waiting 2-3 days for shipping.

Also is it me or is there no guest checkout for hardware? If I don’t have a Steam account already you are making it very annoying just to get one in my hands.

>>725680694
Xbottoms lost

>>725706806
That's all kind of the point.
This ISN'T an entry level device. It's an add-on. It's for people who already game on PC. It was never the point to make this that because PC gaming is not something that can be given a "one size fits all" solution, it's something you should have knowledge in before entering.

>>725706665
Poorbros...

>>725706581
My post wasn't about GTA, it's about a dying trend of skipping PC. We have come to a point where you're just leaving tons of money on the table for no reason

>>725706958
Rockstar is all about double dipping though. They'll always skip PC and then release a PC version a couple years later, I don't see them changing that.

>>725707119
The way things are going I doubt consoles will exist in 20 years when GTA VII gets announced

>>725706924
Indeed this is a machine aimed at people who already have a steam library. It gives them an alternate way to access games they already own and possibly even be an upgrade to their current set up (even if it does on paper cost more than say a PS5, they are bringing a bunch of games they already own). I don't think it's going to be a thing that causes people to jump ship to the PC market if they weren't already interested in it.

>>725706924
It's not uncommon to see people talking about their Steam Deck and mentioning that they have no other gaming PC.
It's console-like enough that they were still able to get into it, despite your hatred for the fact that this is possible

>>725707253
Good

>>725707253
Consoles have already turned into branded prebuilt pcs when x86 became a thing.

>>725707253
I hope so. This console generation is the worst one by far, and it can only get worse from here.

>>725671465 (OP)
The GPU like borrows extra from system memory.

>>725680694
Best stick layout if you aren't an Xbot baboon.
I also like DPADs that work

>>725707353
>It's not uncommon to see people talking about their Steam Deck and mentioning that they have no other gaming PC.
Consider the biases of someone who talks a lot about the Steam Deck this long after release.
It would almost certainly be someone who uses it a lot. And most of the people who use it a lot would be people who either don't have a PC or are functional NEETs.
The actual market for gamers without a PC that want to get into PC gaming and wiling to make a steam account and buy Steam hardware is incredibly small, and this isn't my "hatred" for the idea, it's that Valve isn't thinking of it as an entrypoint either.
At launch, the Steam Deck was $399. For 64GB. On relatively ancient hardware, ran most PS4 titles like shit, and that was without the Dock, which meant it was more expensive than the Switch with technically less upfront utility, and abysmal storage.
The 'actual' Steam Deck, the 256GB and 512GB models were $529 and $649 respectively, full home console prices. These are not entry level platforms, they are niche consumer platformers for people who are already engrained into the Valve ecosystem.

>>725707510
All the red flags were there during 7th Gen.
Yet another industry killed by Microsoft and their cancerous influence.

I will buy it if it cost $500 or ~50-60k russian pesos
Good prebuilt PC for poorfags who don't care about UE slop.

Eh, it's good enough

>>725671465 (OP)
my computer has 8gb vram and it runs everything fine, but my monitors are 1080p and not 4k slop

>>725707804
I like how there were rumors of the next Xbox being able to sideload Steam, only for Valve to announce the Steam Machine. Microsoft must be seething right now.

>>725701542
BIT IT'S DIFFERENT NOW. GABEN IS MY FRIEND AAAAIIIIEEEEEE

>>725705548
elaborate

>>725702468
but that's the problem. it isn't. unless you want to spend $1000 to emulate shut you could on your shitbox

>>725705449
but I though PC was the superior platform

>>725708446
It still is because of modding support. Some games have community patches too.

>>725707353
>It's not uncommon to see people talking about their Steam Deck and mentioning that they have no other gaming PC.
my man it's uncommon to see people saying they have a deck at all. it sold like 3 million units, it just looks like everyone bought it because they're a loud minority online

>>725708204
I hope every executive there is getting their asses ran through sandpaper.
Fucking cunts

>>725708446
It is, I'm playing Endless Space 2 while telling you to kill yourself with the same machine!

>>725671554
Nothing. Every modern game is optimized for 8gb vram.

Lmao what do you even need vram for lol

>>725679532
enjoy your melted connector and fried mosfets

>>725709147
Definitely not the Switch 2 experience.

>>725709147
Same reason consolefags need their exclusives.
To play AAA slop at 4K60FPS with DLSS/FSR for 5 minutes, never finish it and then tell everyone about how amazing it is!

It's all about the social dynamics and nothing about the videogames.
None of these need 8GB of RAM or more by the way.

I think a miniPC will be my next computer. Hopefully the steamcube is cheap enough. I got meme'd into buying a tower case with a standard ATX motherboard because I didn't realize how small computers can be now. This isn't the 00's anymore.

>>725693324
>No exclusives
Everything should have exclusives, including PC.
Without them the industry is mostly just chasing a whale audience from FOTM to FOTM and everything is either a scam, bad port or Concord style corporate sludge because survivorship bias memory holes all the other dead clown vomit arena casinos.

>>725709896
This anon wants to lick the boot

>>725709842
same bro hope the performance on windows is good enough tho cuz every optimisation theyd do is for le linux os only...

>>725708683
>I'm playing Endless Space 2 while telling you to kill yourself with the same machine!
so your great advantage is that instead of enjoying a game fully you can divide your attention to 4chan? wew lad

>>725709842
you can realistically get away with micro or mini atx if you know you never need anything more than a GPU for expansion slots. the problem always comes with putting a computer into a small case and keeping it cool and quiet . my next PC i build will be some sort of small form factor with a single slot GPU and an external power brick so i can hook it up to a camper van or sailboat if need be. id rather be able to shove my desktop in a backpack and not play AAA slop than play whatever UE5 bloatware is hot

>>725710072
NTA but I just want companies making games

>>725671554
Let's you gen higher resolution titties and detailed pussies.

>>725679907
Deck 2 will probably be around The PS6 Canis estimate is my guess
Like 5.5-7 TFLOPS
Which is fine since the games are gonna running at 1080p 1440p at most on there. People are gonna use steam machine to run games at 4k (upscaled lmao)

Hope the Deck 2 uses a semi-custom Medusa Point with an LCD screen, don't need anything more powerful than that.

>>725710102
the Steamcube will use Valve's OS similar to what's already on the SteamDeck, and the good news is Valve’s OS regularly outperforms Windows on the same hardware.

>>725679907
Knowing Valve, it'll be a semi-custom Medusa Point with around 8 CUs of RDNA 3.5+ and 16GB of RAM along with the base model having an enhanced LCD screen like with Nintendo. Valve isn't going to price people out of the Deck 2. They'll let Sony and Microsoft do that. Those claims about Valve being the Nintendo of PC gaming have not been contested.

>>725673314
>vr
>things people were asking for
kek

>>725709896
PC has tons of exclusives you just don't know about them because they're niche.
Not like you knew anything about System Shock, Deus Ex or STALKER before the internet, and you should stop pretending otherwise.

The average console normalfag only plays the latest AAA slop with 100 Million marketing budgets.

>>725710494
i know but peeps would usually want to install windows instead for the actual lifetime pc experience avoiding compatibility issues or plainly no linux support

>>725672716
You're supposed to grab the most demanding game in existence, put all its settings on ultra overkill, and then complain about optimization.

>>725697463
You're delusional.

>>725697463
>consoles
>high settings
lmao

>>725685253
A fucking car among the xbox mascots will always be hilarious to me

>>725710072
I said including PC and only really as far as current gen games are concerned, especially third party.
For example, Persona 5 going to other platforms long after having it's run on PS5 makes sense but Helldivers II going to Xbox has fucked up the game so bad it was bricking PCs and sound just wasn't a thing on PS5. Lowest player count ever now.

>>725710789
>PC has tons of exclusives
I never said it didn't, I said said exclusives le good
>you just don't know about them because they're niche
I do and more people would see these games if they didn't have to compete with sponsored streamers and armies of shills from tech companies who have ESG money and data centre subsidies to piss away. Segment the market like weirs on a river.