Comissar Edition

>Update 7.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/191-7-0-patch-notes

>Hotfix 7.1 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/194-patch-notes-7-1

>Hotfix 7.2 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/198-patch-notes-7-2

>April community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/197-april-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2183900/view/529836636819686186

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>526460182

>>527071409
do you use the purple one

>>527072602
Nah, Relic Fencing.

What the hell is the point of jetpack dodges?

>>527074483
they only have a use if you pick the related talents. its intimidating aura bulwark in different (and worse)

>>527074483
What the hell is the point of jetpack

>>527074483
No point, just use normal dodges

>>527074653
good point. fuck this class.

>Want to make a Raptor
>Almost nothing they'd actually use in terms of cosmetics
Devs need to release more generic arsenal cosmetics involving pouches and bandoliers or something.

>>527075028
Everyone must look like an Ultramarine

>>527075028
sniper is full of shit like that

>>527075028
You will be an Ultramarine and you will be happy

>>527075245
The problem is Sniper is ruined by multiple shitty cloaks. The only one I like is Option 4(?), the urban camo cloak that lacks a collar and is quite short on the back.

>>527075972
I genuinely prefer the default one that's more of a cape than a cloak

>>527075972
I never put on any cloak other than the starting one. I hate that they go over the pauldrons. My next target is the prestige 4 one.

steam://joinlobby/2183900/109775240928838240/76561198141817078
Anybody wanna carry my ass through some Absolute missions?

>>527076362
Yeah, I don't like the color of it, but the fact it completely uncovers the shoulders and lacks a stupid neck wrap means you can make a proper Deathwatch Sniper that looks cohesive.

>>527075028
Just make a stock marine. Slap an Mk8 or a beakie on him and voila. Considering customization options that's not so horrid.

>>527076521
do these invites even work in SM2?

>>527076974
It's just so bland. Like I get that Raptors are the "no-nonsense, as close as 40K is willing to get to a real army" group of Space Marines, but they need some visual spice on them. Hell, even the option to apply camo patterns on them would go a long way.

>>527076521
You know the game gives invite codes if you hit Y then Enter right?

>>527077151
I do now. Thanks.
Join here: BVPMB

>>527075028
This is my raptor.

emprah

>>527077237
>no joiners
fake gamers! all of yous!

>>527078336
I'm here because I'm resting from playing, and I'm about to sleep.

>>527078336
first time?
>>527078397
haha same

>>527078945
>first time?
I'm too used to helldivers lobbies filling out in seconds

PH melty got interrupted

>>527079080
gay ass game

>>527077292
I like your Ultramarine branded purity seals.

>>527075028
>>527077113
Yeah, it sucks they don't give you many options to add any sort of accessory to your gear. But that's the issue when you don't have modular customization. Maybe one day they will expand the armory (aside from adding champion pieces I mean) or outright overhaul it. The latter is cope and doubtful.

>>527079343
>But that's the issue when you don't have modular customization
I'm hoping they've learned their lesson for Space Marine 3. What we have now is limited in a really painful way. We should be able to free place objects such as Purity Seals wherever we want. The chest and midsections shouldn't be together. All objects should be fully customizable in terms of colors, not this random mish-mash where some can be customized and others can't. Helmets should separate the forehead, sides and visors etc.

This is a system that has an obscene amount of potential if the devs are willing to put in the elbow grease.

I fucking hate vague stats so much. What the fuck is a Firepower?

>>527079189
Terminator telling (me) to sit the fuck down

Carbine, Autobolt, or Heavy Bolt? They seem like they serve a similiar purpose.

>>527082203
Carbine > Heavy Bolt Rifle > Power Gap > Feces > Auto Bolt Rifle

>>527071409
i wish they fixed the missing explosion animation

>>527079080
bruh. you chose the four week period where nobody is playing the game because we're waiting for suckers to alpha test the next version.

>>527082654
oh. I just got a sudden warhammer hunger. I don't really follow the development.
guess I'll go play Darktide till the new stuff drops.

>>527082203
>Carbine
Amazing with "activate on parry" bonuses (Tactical) and "activate on headshot" perks (Sniper)
>HBR
Decent if you focus on blobs only (6 pierce with the right perks)
>ABR
You have to be a hyper masochist, extremely desperate for content, or hate your team mates to use this

idk if i should use the higher damage purple weapons or not. the break points are cool, but the attack speed is literally half. like power rake's animation fucking up since there is such a long cooldown after attacking. the damage does feel powerful though, i am not sure whats up with the damage calculation, but 25% base damage feels more like 70%

I tried to snap a nice screenshot of my dude, instead I immortalized a guardsman. I love random teleports. Truly cements Warp's unpredictability.

>>527083620
memetic potential/10

>>527083620

>>527083297
Relic Fencing is the best Power Sword.
Artificer Block is the best Power Fist.
Relic Block is the best Thunder Hammer.
Artificer Block is the best Chainsword.
Relic Block is the best Combat Knife.

>>527085174
Why are you Capitalizing random Words

>>527085806
i am german

>>527085174
Relic, Artificer, Fencing and Block are titles, and thus must be capitalized. Likewise with the names of the weapons. If you think this is random, you are an ESL.

>>527085806
chat gpt wrote it and it gets the capitlization from wikis

>>527086424
>Typing proper English gets you accused of being a bot now
Wow, it's like being back in university two years ago.

>>527086645
>proper English
where the fuck do you think you are, nigger

>>527087161
If you're going to communicate, do it properly or be quiet.

yes, yes, brother against brother.

>>527087947
Brother against brother, cousin against cousin, father against son. A betrayal most exquisite

>>527088147

when they inevitably bring back one of the missing primarchs it'll be a girl primarch

>>527092712
If anything we should be glad it didnt happen in the last decade
We would have had a black fat female primarch

assault is the only class i cant win with when i have bad teammates. scout, heavy, tact, i can always kill thropes and push through. bulwark and vangaurd are heal bots so you can prop up bad teammates. but with assault you are fucked. assauly can kill packs of majoris like anyone else but he is dead weight compared to the other classes

>allies just run away from enemies

>brothers run away to page 9

>>527104086
Sorry I’m playing Rimworld waiting for the Siege mode to be out
There’s a blood rain and shit’s crazy

Finished reading Blood Reaver.
Now more than ever do I want to jump back into PvP and stand in midnight clad.

>>527116040
I’m reading The Solar War right now

>>527120041
Let it be incessantly known that my boy Lucoryphus was the first on the walls.

>>527121439
I just can’t get over how badly written Jubhal Khan’s death was
Literally had Abaddon on the ropes and Abaddon just went “c’mon man, you know this guy” and killed him in one hit

>tactical doesn't even have to use his Q to get his quest if he has auspex parry
>heavy just needs to actually use Q and he'll get his quests
Okay sure
But
>assault has to split its jump pack charges between dodging and pounding, leaving both styles of play wasting their charges
>bulwark can't get one quest if using TH (fine, it's not really meant to be on the class) and loses another quest if using block weapons (fucking really?)
>sniper is fucked out of two quests if playing SMG build because no penetration and no explosive out-of-stealth damage
>vanguard basically gets blocked out of all 3 quests if not using zipline minigame build
These quests are REALLY annoying when they make it impossible (or, well, really suboptimal) to play in certain ways
I mean as far as I'm concerned bulwark just has two quests when everyone else gets three and I just kinda get bored of playing vanguard if I have to optimize hooking
And since I like assault dodge build, it has only one quest in practice
These quests should be replaced with ones that don't pigeonhole the player into specific playstyles

>>527129401
Thanks for the analysis chief

>>527129401
>These quests should be replaced with ones that don't pigeonhole the player into specific playstyles
Bro, the class perks themselves pidgeonhole the player into specific playstyles

Which way? Ammo is always nice, but the headshot damage seems incredible if I pack a carbine and the auspex parry skill.

>>527130572
Acuity unless you're deadset on never letting go of the Plasma combination.

>>527130572
Only pick Acuity if you're using those useless bolters, otherwise more ammo is GOAT for Plasma gigachads.

>>527130668
>>527131548
Plasma is a bigger crutch than block weapons

>>527131960
You're not 1337 because you pick shit weapons.

Bolters are shit and mogged by non-bolter weapons.

Anybody using the knife on tactical? I'm not feeling it.

>>527129401
This could be a good thing to submit on their forums, because God knows discord CMs will throw it down the drain if you even dare post any suggestions there.

>>527131548
Moist and based post
>>527131960
Dry and dehydrated post

anybody wanna play?
Code: QEEHS

>>527133589
Region?

>>527133636
eu

>>527133665
Ew no, pass.

>>527133719
aight

>>527133589
Damn, I wish I wasn't working. The thing is that around this time euroland is wageslaving and ameriburgers are still dreaming of muh freedoms.

Very rarely can you get somebody to play then, Brother. Sad state of affairs but it's a fact.

If you have the time in 8-12 hours there will be more people who might join.

Tactical should get the power fist. It would look so good.

>>527133719
It's like 4 in the morning what region did you think it'd be

>>527135112
I thought he was from Asia or Australia like me.

Does this count shit like Hormagants? Cause that sounds OP.

>>527135507
It does. A quick spray of a bolter at the right height into a group of gaunts can refund a lot of cooldown super quick.

>>527136981
That's great. Are gun strike kills also headshots?

>>527137349
They are not. I'm pretty sure they don't even count as ranged damage.

>>527129401
you were not supposed to gimp yourself to complete these while playing with real people, just boot up a solo minimal decapitation and grind on infinite gaunt waves you dummy

>>527137972
Those are the siege class challenges, not the ordeals. They start from scratch every time you play the mode and give you extra points to buy things during that specific run. Any build that can't easily complete these quests is at a noticeable resource deficiency in siege mode.

>>527138175
oh shit. disregard my post then, i suck dicks.

So tech marine is coming out after the horde mode patch right?

i swear to the omnissiah if the tech marine champion skin isnt for Iron Hands im going to riot.

>>527141109
>i swear to the omnissiah if the tech marine champion skin isnt for Iron Hands im going to riot.
Iron Hands will get their season sometime after Thunder Warriors vanity pack gets its release.
But, honestly, it would be the best moment to do give them cybernetic wargear, clan decals etc. Hell they have enough successors to warrant a whole chapter cosmetics pack.I know Gee Dubs pretend they basically don't exist and they are pretty bland, but the potential is there. Depends how they'd slice it.
Just sayin'.

>>527141109
>tech marine is coming out after the horde mode patch
>doubt
Saber haven't even officially announced that Techmarine is going to be the new class. Have they? As far as the official narrative goes, they *are* working on a new class but we only know it's going to be techmarine from leaked entries in the game files. At this point he might get a release during 9.0 or 10.0 patch. We don't know.

>heavy bolt rifle is better than the heavy bolter on heavy
Wow

>>527141109
We'll be lucky if the 9.0 patch isn't just the new weapons and enemy that were scheduled for spring, and if techmarine manages to arrive sometime late autumn. They really aren't going very fast with this stuff.

>>527143041
In what way?

>>527143041
fuck no.
>worse damage
>no heavy stance interactions at all
you can walk faster while shooting, thats it. heavy with heavy bolt rifle is worse then tactical with heavy bolt rifle and heavy bolt rifle is a very suboptimal weapon for tactical.

>>527095229
Assault has absolutely zero answers for any of the most dangerous enemies. That's why he sucks. If multiple Zoanthropes turn up, you are contributing very little in killing them. Bulwark's in the same boat, but Bulwark is a literal wall so he doesn't care.

>>527147895
bulwark can at least block the zoans balls and has ammo recovery

I am fortifying this thread.

>>527144558
Hopefully they update the perks on heavy for it, considering they did for thammer bulwark

>>527142340
Isn't techmarine's Q supposed to be some mellowed down version of HBR? I think I've seen it in some leaks.

>>527164415
It's his mechadendite armed with a heavy bolt pistol. It starts firing automatically at targets.

>>527147895
Kraks and that nifty perk where you get equipment back on 7 kills. pretty easy to do on assault. You should have kraks available the whole mission

>>527130572
both

>>527132516
with battle focus you can kill any majoris if you chain the 2 skullcrushers. that said, it doesn't offer anything more or less than the block CS. it's just a change in style if you got bored with the CS

>>527173689
>and that nifty perk where you get equipment back on 7 kills.
>Same tree with your ranged damage buff
Not in a million years

Ugh. At least it's just the shitty looking pistol that you had to sub to streamers to get at launch.

>>527179125
I’m convinced they made it shit on purpose so that no one would feel bad for missing it

Looking at some of the entries there is a case to be made that Saber set the stage to make chaos playable in the future. Or maybe they will be making mixed waves where nids and chaos fight in a battle-royale type wave and players have to finish them off.
Still interesting what they're doing.Perhaps this is what they meant, they've got something planned for chaos?

>>527178675
Then keep crying about your lack of options I guess

>>527179692
Isn't the stuff planned for Chaos the actual Chaos Spawn stuff to round them out and make them actually fun? The idea being they become a much more melee focused faction like the Tyranids?

>>527179692
>make chaos playable in the future
It would make sense if PLR refers to players, but it's Saber we're talking here. Let's not forget it's been almost a year and only now did they warm up to idea of expanding armory with champion pieces.
>>527182540
It doesn't look like it's tied to specific unit so I'm guessing pic related is supposed designate ally status for each faction in Siege (?).

>>527141574
>>527142340
>>527143781
Im less worried about it not coming and more worried that im going to have to wait till xmas or maybe even next year for it.

Atleast saber has a good record when it comes to supporting games post launch.

>>527179692
Pretty sure the number one critique of operations and Siege mode is that we dont have a Chaos version.

For siege mode they cant even use the " lore" excuse, just have it so when your playing chaos you can only fight nids.

>>527192609
Chaos bands fight each other all the time, so you don't even need a real excuse. Even I AM ALPHARIUS can just be like "all according to keikaku."

>>527192609
The first game had a CSM version of Exterm where you fought Orkz and the IoM

>>527192609
That is not even remotely close to being the number one complaint about Siege mode
This is literally the only place I have seen someone asking for that

>Blood Angels cosmetics and Lamenters skins locked in the PTS
AHHHHH RELEASE ALREADY

>>527194496
i dont mean siege mode specifically moreso pve for SM2 in general. and the devs excuses for chaos not being playable are flimsy at best.

>>527173689
assault needs a perk that lets him start with krak grenades

>>527201485
Well I think Gayos is lame and cringe so I’m totally cool with them not adding them

giving tactical headshotmultiplier as a prestige perk as the only damage option is such bad gamedesign. now everytime i´m not playing stalker i feel like i´m playing him wrong.
yes, yes. i know everything is viable and we all beat solo absolute with white gear while simultaniously beating modded onslaught vermintide 2 as meleeonly ranger veteran, but its still bad gamedesign to give him headshotmultiplier when he has 3 weapons in his aresnal that do not headshot, or at least only partially benefit.

silver skull colors seem to be a thing that is not agreed upon at all. they are depicted differently in every picture. i much prefer the version with the silver helmet, trim with the rest being a gunmetal grey. actually makes them pop. them literally just being completely silver is boring as shit, but i like my not-iron-warriors successors.

>>527206378
silver templars get the better metallic look, the yellow pauldrons and aquila with black trim and black knees break up the monotone silver

>>527205647
The headshot perk just brings Stalker up to Plasma’s level, which is a good thing
More guns should be on the plasma rifle’s level

>>527205647
even if your weapon does not have built in headshot multiplies, all enemies have built in head shot multipliers. its to the point where if you are not head shotting then dont bother shooting your weapon because it better to jog over and melee. i do think console bias is why enemies are bullet sponges. imagine if nids were truly countless billions and you did not even have enough bullets for each gaunt

I'm disappointed we're not getting any weekly or bi-weekly events and challenges to get some nice helmets. Actually any wargear would've been nice as long as it's released frequently and on a regular basis.
I wish they added some Mk1/Mk2 variants.

sooooooooooooooo the devs expect me to click 10-15 times with my chainsword to put a major into red but then with fisto i just power up for 1 sec and a half and kill a group?

name one thing i did wrong

>>527217639
Jumped straight at a zoanthrope.
>Muh melee class
No one cares, play cover and shoot it like everyone else.

>>527218648
it was a clean ground pound on a thrope


i have been experiencing blocks not registering recently

>>527219023
That always happens with whip dudes for me
There’s something funky about their tracking, it’s not that your block didn’t register, it’s that the whip dude literally missed and didn’t hit you

>>527217639
You selected Assault.

>>527217639
You picked chainsword.
You literally jumped straight into a zoanthrope beam. What exactly were you expecting to happen

>>527219023
So, i very often fall into the same situation and heres what ive personally found:
You basically have to spam your Block/Parry after it registers from the first hit, for some ungodly reason the whip has misaligned parry-frames and damage-frames, at least thats what im assuming is happening here, because if i block/parry earlier than i should with the 2hit whip bullshit, it always works
But anytime i actually try to time it properly? yeah, that webm
It's been driving me nuts the past few weeks and no one ever responded to me talking about it either, so i had to test these cunts myself
good luck when theres more than 1 though lol

>>527220175
Isn't whip an actual frontal and not a targetted attack?

>>527217639
You had good cover and should have stayed there to use it, but besides that you jumped at a very poor time.
You could not really see what the shielded thrope was doing, and the one you jumped had not attacked for a second or two, meaning it would attack soon. Should have waited for it to attack so you could dodge easily or use the cover, then go for the jump immediately after, that ensures it would be recovering.
Ideally you would have also checked to see if the other thrope had attacked recently or if its aggro was focused on a squad mate.
Additionally, you should have considered waiting for them to swap shields before leaping because it had been a while since they swapped, it would be very annoying if they swapped shield while you were mid slam.
These are all things I have learned from fighting them as a Melta Vanguard and learning when to use the hook and start blasting melta.
But again, in your particular situation you really should have used cover for longer, at least until you can get the perfect opening as I described.

>>527211852
More variants for Mk VIII Please

>>527230775
Ironic considering you would absolutely hide behind cover on the harder difficulties.

>Very obvious unintentional jank bug where the Power Sword can't change stances after a dodge in the PTS
>POWER SWORD IS NERFED, THEY NERFED IT, WHAT ARE THE DEVS THINKING?!
I am so fucking sick of modern Youtubers.

>>527218648
this.
>>527219023
you didn't wait for them to aggro another player. assault is absolutely not an unga-bunga class, you have to know when to engage and when not to. if that's too hard for you switch to vanguard

>>527219023
It's a bug that's been known to be in the game since I believe at least update 5.0. It seems more common when fighting on slopes, and against whip warriors.
There are two other bugs currently affecting block weapons, btw, with a new one currently on the PTS that we'll have to see if it carries over to live.

>>527249315
True, the slightest bit of 'research' would confirm it's just a bug. I especially detest obvious click baits, but these guys will do anything to get views.

>>527252717
I’m just genuinely curious what they fucked with in the code to create that bug

>>527257204
At this point we're in a Helldivers situation where every change breaks something else.

>>527257790
The new warbond fucking sucks too

Highly recommend the new Angron Red paint for your Blood Angels when the DLC drops. A little more muted and matte instead of bright and glossy, I personally think it looks much better. Helps the preset battle damage on the armor stand out a little more which adds texture.

Likewise, for the Lamenters, use Bad Moon Yellow over Flashgitz Yellow. Similar result in what it achieves.

>>527259951
bangels are *supposed* to look like lego minifigs

>>527260312
I'm gonna be honest, the minifigs you've posted are a lot closer to the game's Angron Red vs. its Mephiston Red which is obnoxiously loud and glossy. It looks cheap, like most gloss paints.

ideas for a fitting chapter for the assault? i refuse to use DLC chapters and will need to change from blood angels when 8.0 drops

>>527260535
Blood Angels
Raven Guard
Space Wolves (non-DLC uses the Blackmanes logo who are primarily Reivers and Jump-Pack squads)
White Scars because they're all about speed even when on-foot

Only ones I know of that come to mind that aren't DLC.

>>527260979
bruh

>>527261234
>Give me an answer to 1 + 1, and don't say 2!
What the fuck did you want exactly?

I really wish the bulwark banner was changeable

>>527261234
>Ask question
>Get valid answer
>Act like anon spit in your mouth
???

>>527260979
>>527261593
>>527261898
I think anon is retarded and is quite literally refusing to use any Chapters that have gotten any amount of DLC support. That's the only way I can infer his comment "change from blood angels when 8.0 drops." Basically a really dumb form of contrarianism. So that means he refuses to use the Chapters anon listed, because all of them have had DLC by 8.0.

>>527260535
It's either White Scars (or sm2g Phantom Links) for Assault, but I've been thinking of changing him to Blood Angels, much like Anon >>527260979 recommended.
On the other hand Decimus.... I had no idea what to use on him so I went with Space Yiffs' Champion. I figured it would be fitting for Decimus, with his whacky demeanor and what not.

>>527265613
Decimus has a line about "howls of victory." Feels like he was written as a Space Wolf and then painted Macragge blue a lot of the time.

>>527266125
he is not a spacewolf, he is just retarded. its a common mistake to confuse those.

>>527265613
>>527266194
he could have been a space wolf in the first draft of Space Marine 2: Deathwatch game we never got

Anyone wants to play?
code: GICMY

>>527266978
We have monostud parts now?

>>527267724
We've had that shoulder literally since the Trygon update dropped.

>>527268109
Fair enough, I haven't touched the game since early Janurary.

>>527259951
Now with the proper markings. Looks solid IMO, gonna be rocking this when 8.0 finally hits live.

>>527269379
nice, probably the first time i've seen a blood angel in this game and didn't immediately recoil.

>>527271204
Muted and matte is a cheat code to make even the most garish of paint schemes look good. It's why I much prefer the game's Nuln Oil over Abaddon Black or Iron Hands Steel.

>>527269379
Pretty good, Brother. It would be great if we had more decals to work with. It's just me though.

Any PTR knowers can tell me if they added any more prestige ranks?

if not i feel vindicated in only going to prestige 4 and not capping out, so i actually have something to grind when horde mode comes out.

>>527277515
No more prestige ranks added, nothing has been even teased I'm pretty sure.

>>527278148
The Datavault is already falling behind pretty hard. No new rewards for the Trygon Operation, nothing for Prestiging, and nothing seemingly for Siege Mode.

>>527277515
No, but given how much xp we can get per run they should add more prestige levels.
I don't know how they would expand it. More prestige perks? Sounds good, but knowing Saber we'd need a rework of those too. Extra cosmetics? That would be neat.

going back to the first game I really gotta say I forgot how shit it was, cant believe I spent 100 hours on the co-op mode there. The assault class is way better though, jump pack seems to have no cooldown, ofc they had to nerf it to the ground

>>527284673
Reduce the cooldown to almost nothing but also remove the invisible walls keeping people from falling into holes everywhere, like the original game. Given the skill of the average player, that should keep the winrate about the same.

>>527285509
that would fix assault real good, fucking hate those invisible walls

>>527285596
Not being allowed to fuck up and fall off a cliff because of bad movement is pretty shit
Though it'd feel pretty bad to get knocked off by all of the different attacks that can send a space marine flying like a ragdoll in this game, with a biovore running past you probably being the worst in this hypothetical scenario.

>>527286025
they should buff the grenade launcher in the same patch

>>527285509
>remove the invisible walls keeping people from falling into holes everywhere
lmao, >not knowing how level geometry in vidya works

>>527286524
nice niggertext bro (because its black)

>>527269379
>>527259951
I fucking knew Saber screwed up mephiston red. Khorne red wasn't a good replacement either because it's too dark.

i find the color in the armory preview doen't match how it looks in levels. even in direct sunlight like in inferno

>>527294698
It's the Bethesda problem. In the armory, you have a vertical white light casting all around your character. This isn't how lighting works anywhere else in the game, so it makes the top of your marine look way brighter than they actually are.

How come we don't have any events for cosmetics going on? The last one was in April, that's 2 months ago. There should be something going on at least once a month to keep things interesting.
I'm supposed to believe they have ZERO assets ready to release or can't redo existing ones? I know there's leaks about a phobos helmet and Mk8 eagle variant, but come on...
Where's Titus' Deathwatch gear from the prologue?

>>527304079
>There should be something going on at least once a month to keep things interesting.
it was never meant to keep things interesting. they need a steady number of people registering on pros to get their paycheck. when the quota is not met, they release a new cosmetic. simple as.

I hate how all the bolters sound like shit if you're the one using them but they sound great otherwise.

>>527079251
the aquila does not belong to smurfs
it was originally only an Emperor's Children thing, but after the Heresy all types of space marines starting wearing it in many ways
Black Templars do not wear the aquila because "They are the symbol of the Emperor's might", but that's also kind of gone to the side with Primaris

>>527306362
No he means the purity seals, a lot of them across the board have the toilet bowl symbol on them.

>>527306362
A lot of armor pieces have the Ultramarine logo stamped on them somewhere

>>527306706
sorry, I'm a Space Wolf and can't read

>>527306813
that's even funnier.

>>527306813
y'know, it's funny because I already actively avoided a lot of the purity seal pieces because Saber seems to fall firmly in the "secondary" fan knowledge about 40k and put waaaaay too many on higher tier cosmetics, so I guess I just never noticed

>>527308372
thanks moot.

>>527306706
It's clearly a skull tho? do you have an example of a purity seal with an ultramarine symbol on it?

>>527309205
It's right there

>>527309330
HYDRA DOMINATUS

>>527309205
The worst offenders are Tactical and Vanguard.

>>527309756
I think you mean tactical and bulwark
bulwark has the victrix helmet (which they technically stole from old Raven Guard) and is head to toe Ultramarine coded since he's the only Veteran. And the fucking banner.

>>527310016
>>527309756
>>527309205
Games Workshop only cares about Ultrasmurfs

The slavoid devs are also inept

>>527310448
not true, Imperial Fists are the main focus of HH, and Space Wolves got the most goated models of the space marine range

>>527309756
You can tell this was 100% meant to be only an Ultramarine game at one point, but the design ethos shifted when they got more budget. Some classes have Ultramarine-specific shit everywhere, then you get to Heavy who has a literal small novel on his later chest parts, and there's not a single Smurf logo anywhere on them. The devs clearly never went back to update the old textures.

>>527309330
>>527309756
>>527310016
They probably never expected the game to blow up this much at launch and garner enough interest later on to have people discuss it in such detail. They should've focused more on overall Imperial imagery, or made it a Deathwatch game to begin with (in hindsight it would save them a lot of trouble).

>>527309330
>>527309756
ah, sneaky bastards

>Heavy
>Restoration
>Fortitude
>Encompassing Aegis
>Adamant Will
>Conviction
>Indomitable Spirit

https://youtu.be/jynTNYSKNuk?si=K0OcQ8GqOINTkyw3

I want more MK 2 or 3 armor. Really narrow slit eyes for that knight aesthetic.

>>527312970
Fug, meant to say helmet instead of armor.

>>527312970
I'd rather not. Even MKIV is supposed to be rare as balls, if MKIII and II were commonly available the game would be made worse honestly
HH fans, I swear

>>527313996
>if MKIII and II were commonly available the game would be made worse honestly
meanwhile, Saber: yeah so here's rogue trader and second edition helmets for primaris armor, enjoy

>>527276576
God I wish whoever handled the Blood Angels wasn't high on ketamine during their heraldry brainstorming.

>Visor color determines stratagic role, not helmet color
>Red for Battleline
>White for Close Support
>Black for Fire Support
>Light Bronze for Veteran
>Gold for Command

>>527320904
The entire point of formation, company, and squad heraldry is to make it easily distinguishable at a glance. Visor color changes are the exact opposite of easily distinguishable because the marine needs to be looking at you for you to be able to see his battlefield role.

>>527324079
>Right shoulder designations only visible from one side
>Knee designations only visible from one side
>Even the rare aquila color coded designations, also only visible from one side
Bet you feel dumb now, dingus!

>>527317219
If you're talking about corvus and mk8 pattern they're worn by primaris still, usually as a veteran thing
things like weapons/backpacks/helmets have basic computer features, so sometimes space marines will prefer the machine spirit of a particular piece as they have survived thousands of battles together

>>527324483
Shoulder, Aquila, and knee indicators are visible from 3 directions while shoulder trim and helm color are visible from all 4.

>>527320904
Crimson Fists don't even have company distinctions. If you're a sergeant or higher you get two crimson fists instead of just one. Otherwise you're basically completely unmarked. It's part of why I like them, though, their designs are super simple. You're just another battle brother regardless of rank.

>>527325282
Okay, smartypants. Head stripe, how about that?

>>527326812
Depends on the width, either 2 or 4 directions.

>>527325647
Like several other colors, the kantor blue in this game is fucked. Doesn't look anything like this artwork, the in-game version is too dark.

>>527327407
The most egregious one is the Blood Ravens default red, I think. Yeah Kantor is too dark but wild rider isn't even the right red for blood ravens.

Here's Blood Ravens.

I wonder if that Salamanders vanity pack will include heraldry/decals or just the armory cosmetics

>>527327902
>not only red but also ivory is not right
the pain

>>527328104
As far as I remember there isn't a tan-papery leather color that matches the OG Blood Raven pauldrons. I may need to give it another looksee.

>>527327902
Here's two of the new reds from the DLC.

Default = Wazdakka Red
Scoped = Angron Red

i thin kthe slowest highest base damage weapons are best for assault. you have time to think or do any real meaningful combat on absolute, you just have to roll slop for an opening and do one big attack and keep on roll slopping

So are we gonna get actual chaos customization eventually or no?

>>527332776
World Eaters don't have snipers, so you're not going to ever see CSM armor customization at all ever for any reason

>>527333129
carcharodons and salamanders always have their skin mutations so we’re already crossing that line

>>527333129
>World Eaters don't have snipers
But they do.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodstalkers

>>527333465
>>527333560
The lore says they don't have snipers, so sorry. Also class readability is important, so they have to stay exclusively tied to those specific PVP classes with no ability to adjust what they have.

>>527327902
>>527329720
The original default Evil Sunz Scarlet is still better.

Shame they fucked up Ushabti Bone that Wraithbone became the 'default' for tanned whites.

im not going to play anymore. cya

>>527333691
NTA, but he's not wrong. Pic related is from 9th edition World Eaters Codex where it says Bloodstalkers do prefer long range executions as opposed to CQC. They even avoid scoring headshots so that they can later cut them off. So doing that without the use of long distance rifles? Highly doubtful.

Sure it's not outright spelled out they use sniper rifles, but it would take a lot of ill will to claim otherwise.

And it's not like Saber are strangers to throwing things like readability, lore accuracy and logic out of the window. Especially when it comes to cosmetics.

All in all, it's there, so they might as well give us CSM customization if that's the only thing keeping them from doing that.

>>527337826
Small development studio please understand. You're on the side of the Imperium helping the Imperial cause please understand. Ultramarine game please understand. The issue is that they're just too lazy to actually provide CSM customization, and I suspect them being lazy is why ALL multiplayer stuff is tied to 3 people, even setting up a squad to do the PVP side

>>527337826
This Brother has brought receipts.

>>527337826
>>527338174
All legions have the same units, it was only during post-Heresy where some of these specialist units became niche or got wiped out.

There's probably a lone Thousand Son or Death Guard Raptor/Sniper out there. Same thing with World Eater Techmarines and Apothecaries.

>>527338640
I'm in part spouting actual excuses that Saber used as to why there's no CSM customization. Yes, I'm aware that Fabius Bile had a post nails World Eater apothecary floating around his entourage, no that doesn't change that Saber is retarded

Why are CSM fans so needy and desperate? Nobody likes you guys or CSM, why are there always like 2-3 dudes just constantly begging and groveling at Saber to add their edgy loser marines into the game

>>527341618
One must ask the question why they're adding even loyalist chapters

>>527335679
*meant to say im not going to play assault anymore

i may take 4 stims and a relic. but looks at the post game damage stats

I just want chaos customization in PvP

>>527363210
there is no way a slav can handle an if statement that checks if a techmarine is in the party before doing that voice line

>Chapter is called the Flesh Eaters
>Chapter badge is a stylized maw of jagged teeth
>They paint more jagged teeth on their helms
>They were part of the force that destroyed 11 chapters during the War of the False Primarch
>In reality they're fucking nerds who don't even try to hide the fact that they're openly allied with the Eldar

>Chapter is called the Poopoo Eaters
>Chapter badge is a stylized plate of shit
>They paint more shit on their helms
>They were part of the force that destroyed 11 toilet bowls during the War of the False Bathroom
>In reality they’re fucking nerds who don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re openly allied with the peepee drinkers

>>527371764
no bully poopoo eaters, they are the best chapter

>>527371764
>poopoo eaters fans constantly beg for content about their favorite chapter in every warhammer medium

>>527363315
All it takes is some new recorded lines and an 'if player techmarine = yes" string.

>>527377040
Congratulations! Your careless addition to the code has resulted in the following bugs:
>Thunder hammer ground slam has no stagger
>Decimus will sometimes use his enemy callouts instead of his normal conversation dialogue
>Three of the ballistic engine terminus spawn locations no longer work
>Straban counts as a techmarine for dialogue purposes if he's holding his secondary weapon

>>527377397
you jest, but i can totally see it breaking other dialogue because the intern forgot to update the script in all levels. the absolute worst would of course be the generator defense, where playing a wrong clip or no clip at all might make you fail a mission.

you are all noble warriors and scholars

what's your favorite dmr? the Stalker, Marksmen carbine and Occulus all seem pretty balanced with the instigator kind of feeling bad ammo wise

>>527380557
Stalker blows everything you listed out of the water

>>527381721
have you tried them all? they seem about the same on paper with all headshots i only have the stalker and carbine maxed and it did seem really good though

There is actually a named techmarine in the campaign. The singular pilot of the Thunderhawk you speak to at the beginning and end of missions. The VA has had consistent work with every new additional Operation. Think they'll have this dude come along?

>>527383636
>someone is playing techmarine
>the gunship no longer leaves after mission start because the pilot is with you
>exfiltration can't end because the pilot is on the ground

>>527384052
Sevitors exist and are fully capable of piloting Thunderhawks. Many of these ships have hardwired Servitors welded into the cockpit serving as a backup in case the pilot dies or is too wounded to fly.

>new class drops
>mass pants shitting since you still can't have multiples of the same class in pve for some reason

>>527384362
Because they're defined characters, not faceless classes.

>>527384415
put a name to every class without looking

>>527384571
Valius - Tactical
Vespasius - Assault
Decimus - Vanguard
Quartus - Bulwark
Scipius - Sniper
Straban - Heavy

I know all of the characters by heart.

>>527384684
how many hours

>>527384727

>>527384968
settle down junior.

>>527385416
>More hours yet can't remember the names of any of the PvE characters

https://www.alz.org/manh/support/24-7-helpline#:~:text=The%20Alzheimer%27s%20Association%2024%2F7,clock%2C%20365%20days%20a%20year.

>>527385547
im not the anon who originally posted im just flexing on your playtime

PTS period is taking way too long, considering we have two more weeks of it. I mean it would be perfectly justified if it wasn't for two things (off the top my head):
>live patch will more than likely introduce more bugs
>PTS is there mostly to pad out the time between the seasons
That's just my speculation, but either they're running a skeleton crew or the development terribly mismanaged. To the point that fixing simple UI tooltips can't be done in a timely manner.

>>527385994
Agreed, the PTS was a mistake.

>>527384415
Perhaps the most retarded decision made for this game.

>>527392768
Disagree, the PvE would feel truly lifeless without the banter between characters. Three generic marines with no names and no personalities just shouting "for the emperor" would swiftly have me turn the dialogue off.

>>527383636
Most chapters don't have techmarines pilot their crafts, so this may have just been a way for them to tease his addition.
The Ultramarines typically use marines from the 7th company as pilots.

>>527393369
they are generic marines with no names aside for Jar Jar Binks and token nigger.

>>527400206
You do not play the game or are deaf.

>>527400290
>deaf
haha joke's on you, i'm over 30

>>527393369
90% of the dialogue operations is forgettable at best
in fact, vanguard's accent is fucking trash, I hate it every time he speaks

>>527402571
see >>527400290

>>527402934
Never gonna convince me sub saharan african is a good accent for an ultramarine.

>>527403507
not what was being disputed

did they postpone 8.0 yet?

>>527405815
No? It's still the 26th.

>>527405901
>it takes them time even to announce they need more time
jfc saber

>>527385994
>PTS period is taking way too long
The thing is they could've just as well release it on 4th and collect data on bugs etc. from live servers. Not only would it be more beneficial to playerbase (not that Saber/Focus care in this case) but they'd get feedback from both PCs and consoles. Which could be hotfixed.
As it stands the moment they actually roll it out on 26th we will have a truckload of issues. I guess a lot of modern devs/publishers are strangers to common sense.

>>527406047
To be fair during last week of May they did put out info about 4th being the start of PTS and 26th being official 8.0 premiere.

>>527406292
actually there's a lot of common sense in that. potential gamebreaking bugs found on pts don't need to be fixed asap because "it's pts, just play prod if that bothers you" the team has time to work on future updates unrelated to pts (expect new datamined stuff in 8.0) people can take time off.

The reason the PTS exists is because Saber doesn't have the money to pay the constant fees for updating on console. Yes, they charge you for updates. The idea being the PTS reduces the amount of times the game needs to be updated to fix problems.

>>527409038
Huh, I forgot $ony/M$ charge bigger devs for their "certification". Thanks for reminding me, Brother. Yet again, consoles prove to be the break that's pulled on modern gaming.

>>527409038
>The idea being the PTS reduces the amount of times the game needs to be updated to fix problems.
which is why you niggers should be reporting bugs when a pts is live, even if it's a problem that existed prior to the pts and still isn't fixed.

>>527406292
>>527409038
What happened to internal tests? Where is QA in all of this?
Realistically, there would be little to no need for PTS had their QA team existed and did their job. The theory they have a reduced team seems more plausible with each patch/PTS.

I finally finished prestige 4 all my class expect Assault.
I don't want to do that one...

>>527416210
I did Assault first precisely for this reason. Pure pain every time you went back to <10 on Absolute.

>>527416385
>blocking thammer
>you're level 7 after one ruthless mission
>you're level 15 after one ruthless and one lethal mission
>?????
>profit

>>527417793
>No damage boosts so none of your charged attacks OHKO until 12 without double block
>No 100% bonus damage to ground pound until 22 so it's completely worthless

>Bulwark
>Delete Defensive Mastery
>Replace it with Intimidating Aura
>Replace where Intimidating Aura was in the first tree with something competitive but less broken
Thank me later, Saber.

>>527419210
by the time you get that perk you can play fencing just fine. but trying to run underleveled fencing assault from level 1 is extreme pita

>>527383636
i hope not. that guy sounds like a fucking nerd

>>527423695
>sounds like a fucking nerd
one job, /sm2g/

>>527424417
you're kinda right

>Servers shitting themselves
For fuck sake.

bolt rifle
bolt pistol
combat knife

>>527428007
shoota
slugga
choppa
simple as

I thank fashion anon here who suggested picking slightly less bright shades. Ushabti Bone on my Raven Guard feels like it pops the grime and battle damage a lot more over Corax White, and makes the armor feel more worn and less clean.

ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping

>>527432895
Combat Knife's charged attack is so much fucking better than the Chainsword's that it's stupid. The only reason the Chainsword is ranked higher is because of the first attack animation skip cheese so you can spam shoulder barge which has overtuned stats.

>>527435467
i find its slower if you try it after a shoulder bash. maybe im doing it wrong but after shoulder bash there is a delay when trying to charge the chain sword, but there is no delay to do a normal attack.

how come 100% of games has a bulwark?

>>527437863
Unlike Assault, he actually has tools to not instantly shit the bed the second someone looks at him, which leads people who like the melee system to prefer him. That and the flag is extremely strong

>>527438657
This

Bulwark not only deals far higher burst melee damage thanks to Intimidating Aura, he isn't built like a wet paper bag. He has a built-in 30% bonus HP, and then he has

>Steel Within - When your Health is less than 50%, you take 30% less Health Damage
>Advanced Conditioning - Contested Health fades 50% more slowly for all Squad Members
>Scrambled Targeting - If you are surrounded by 5 or more enemies, you take 25% less Damage from Ranged Attacks
>Invigorating Icon - When the banner is activated, all Squad Members regain maximum Contested Health, but it recharges 50% slower (So broken OP the devs are planning to replace it entirely at a future date)
>Armored Advance - If you have Armour remaining, you do not lose control upon taking Heavy Hits and you cannot be knocked back

The last one is subtle in how broken it is, because it has unmentioned interactions with his shield block. Heavy ranged attacks that would stagger you into taking a second hit are now tanked to full effect. Bulwark is capable of blocking every single one of the 3-4 successive charged shots from a Helbrute.

>>527440714
Imperial Fists fans aren't the smartest

>>527440714
apparently chat message dont even appear for other players half the time

>>527440714
>Average Black Templar / Imperial Fist interaction

i started using this for my chain sword bolt pistol build.

>>527441095
Chat is not available on consoles by default or by design. Either way they can't see it.

>>527441385
im gonna dread doing assault as my last grind holy fuck so dogshit without perks

>>527440714
i keep saying Obelisk is an insufferable mission

>>527444085
Weirdly it's been extremely common in my Quick Matches today. Absolutely no clue why, I think I did 5 pub runs when normally I average 0 in a week.

>>527440714
>IF
>an idiot

>BT
>a slav

every time

i'm not playing until i can be a Lamenter

simple as

>>527451443
dumb frogposter, you already can

>>527432895
>that vanguard trying to steal your kill

>>527451714
nuh uh

>>527444837
I hit Z Enter Enter immediately if i see Obelisk
the only chaos mission i actually like is Vox, wish there was more infighting there

>>527324483
this comic artstyle managed to make tacticus helmet look good

>>527070239 (OP)
szczęść boże i ratuj się kto może, przed nurglo-komuną i chaokouchozem

>play assault
>play perfectly
>die anyways

why do termies stagger you when you melee them

>>527464029
>>527464297
>Chainsword assault
>Having these skill issues
Wew lad.

>>527465463
you bait people like this every morning, don't you

this is a tact and heavy killing the tyrant but i staggered him sometimes

>>527465727
I can't think of anywhere on the planet inhabited by people where it's currently morning, but would you like me to point out the issues?
The second video in particular is a case of object fixation. He was so concerned with the foreground terminator that he failed to notice the background terminator's attack until it was too late, which served to put him in position to get slapped by foreground before background's followup finished him off.

>>527466649
theres nothing you can do when majoris and extremis perfectly line up red attacks against you, which is why being in melee in the first place is so dangerous.

>>527466649
>I can't think of anywhere on the planet inhabited by people where it's currently morning, but would you like me to point out the issues?
japan china australia russia
>The second video in particular is a case of
shots 1-5 clearly missed

>>527467583
I like how we’re trying to have a discussion on whether or not that guy misplayed in the several webms he posted and then you come in and post some random ass irrelevant image that no one cares about
Like read the room bro

i dont care if its a misplay, i will always fly into combat when my brothers are fighting

>>527468868
This isn’t your personal blog, I can post what I want.

>>527469779
What the fuck did you think was gonna happen? Did you think you were just gonna come in here and shadowdrop an absolute spirit bomb of an image of some random sniper and have everyone start gassing you up?
>yoooooo dude that’s such a sick image
>whoah that’s a really cool pic, do you play sniper? Do you wanna play with me?
Get the fuck outta here

>>527467583
yoooooo dude that’s such a sick image

>>527468868
>>527469950
can you fags stop being such fucking dorks in these generals holy shit
>>527467583
cool pic

>>527475395
Broooooo that’s such a cool pic of your Ultramarine, do you have a long and intricate backstory for him you could share? You got such a good angle and such good lighting there, are you a professional photographer?

>>527478680
Yooooooooooooooooooooo

what is sabre's intended solution for biovores?

>>527479080
plasma is probably one of them

>>527478680
saved, really cool art

>>527479080
The fucking nerf to spore mines will help, for one thing.

can you guys post in the thread? wtf am i the only one playing this slop?

>>527483113
Everyone’s playing other games waiting for Siege mode to actually drop
Everyone that wanted to test Siege mode already did and moved on

>>527483113
I've got the game on the back burner right now and I'm about to put it off to the side entirely, with only sporadic messing around in Siege. You can really only play the operations so many times before you get sick of seeing "elevator ride hiding a loading zone into set piece into L shaped hallway hiding a loading zone"

>>527483113
I'm 2000 req, 20 gold armory points, have everything unlocked, and 100% steam achievements. I'm waiting for siege mode right now. Been playing WARNO with an IRL buddy of mine for the time being.

I fucking hate spore mines

Why does this game constantly freeze in loading screens

What’re you all playing right now?
Me? Rimworld, Nightreign, and Helldivers.

GW needs to stop blueballing and tell us what happened to Sevatar.
>Captured by the Dark Angels towards the tail end of the Heresy
>Kept in a cell where he thought he was hearing a ghost
>Goes through a full on therapy session with this "ghost" until he has a revelation that all he ever wanted was to be a hero
>Learns that his conversation partner is actually an astropath and that, having learned she was talking to their prisoner, her legion overseer beat her, snapping her spine in the process
>Sevatar convinces her to help him escape, then uses the opportunity to track down and murder the overseer via strangulation
>After this he immediately surrenders and goes back to his cell, explaining that he simply did what he was made to do and protected a human from a monster
And that's where it ends, with GW telling us they'll finish the story "soon" over 6 fucking years ago.

>>527487654
Void War, WARNO, and Stellaris. I might do another playthrough of Underrail. Watching the dev's updates on Infusion makes me want to play it again.

>>527483113
hahaha first time?

>>527487654
Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon

>>527487654
I'm finishing yet another Witcher 3 playthrough, sprinkled with shorter Boltgun sessions here and there when I want a change of pace. But I'll also have to get to finishing Future Noir, because it's been sitting and collecting dust up until now. Then grab something from Black Library to listen to while I'm painting the minis.

>>527489535
Finished Expedition 33 but still have the superboss to kill.

>>527489992
Is Stellaris playable right now? I’ve been wanting to do a run but I saw how bad they bricked the game with so many new bugs in the latest big patch.

Holy fuck the assault class is fucking terrible.

>>527497227
>Built like paper
>Does less damage than Bulwark
Yep, the only reason you'd tolerate this torture is because you really like the concept or the playstyle.

>>527497980
Yup, I decided to jump on one of the venom cannon nids, they weren't aiming at me. When I landed all armour gone and 25% of my health disappeared. That dodge ordeal will have to wait.

>Watched a Lv25 Vanguard waste 4 stims and a Relic on Ruthless

>>527458661
A Nurgle-Slaaneshi co-dominion under the Drukhari trusteeship.

Who is the Thunder Hammer for?
>block thunder hammer
>doesn't stagger enemies out of their attack animations
>shit damage
>slow, with every charged attack taking 5 years (enemies stagger you anyway, despite all of the perks)
>awful contested health regen
Meanwhile
>fencing power sword
>great attack speed
>same cleave size
>power whirls and rakes outDPS the block Thammer
>isn't hard countered by the enemies walking back at a brisk pace

Why did Saber have to make melee feel so ass on higher levels.

>>527504339
I mean the Power Sword was objectively worse until it had like five consecutive buffs. The Thunder Hammer on the other hand feels a lot better on Bulwark, primarily because he has 3 perks that specifically boost the damn thing.

>"After a Shield Bash or Thunder Hammer Pommel Smash, Melee Damage increases by 30% for 10 seconds".
This is the only one you're likely not taking, purely because this competes with Intimidating Aura.

>Shield Bash deals 200% more Damage. Thunder Hammer Pommel Smash deals 100% more Damage and deals area-of-effect Damage within a 7-metre radius. Cooldown is 5 seconds."

>"After a Shield Bash or Thunder Hammer Pommel Smash, Melee Damage increases by 15%, you do not lose control upon taking Heavy Hits, and you cannot be knocked back for 10 seconds".

Bulwark gets an AOE poke with stagger resistance that leads into a free boosted damage Ground Slam. He can spam the shit out of them with almost no punishment unlike Assault.

>>527504339
>>527505391
Man, they really should give Power Sword to Tactical.

It's kinda weird to me that Vanguard, who already has access to a perk that makes him immune to stagger after a perfect parry, block or dodge by default, ended up getting a prestige perk that's the "during a gun strike" version which is infinitely worse when you have access to both. Definitely not a choice you'd make over any of his other prestige perks.

>>527505391
>I mean the Power Sword was objectively worse until it had like five consecutive buffs.
You are correct
>Bulwark gets an AOE poke with stagger resistance that leads into a free boosted damage Ground Slam. He can spam the shit out of them with almost no punishment unlike Assault.
I don't think it's a good weapon when you have to do a specific build on the best melee class in the game to make it work
Also damn, when will they buff assault's kit because that's just sad

>>527070239 (OP)

//// INCOMING TRANSMISSION ////

>Imperial Administratum has granted access to records of all Astartes operating in Decidious System, CODENAME: ADEPTUS RETARDES
>Dude Wall status: ACTIVE.
>All Astartes present in Decidious System accounted for.
>All First Founding Chapters accounted for.
>All Astartes are to upload a FULL SCREENSHOT of their Dude and post their CHAPTER.

Welcome Brothers! On this beautiful ,thanks to our Lord Emperor, day I would like to present to you a new version of the Dude Wall along with what has changed since last time.
- Latest submission has been added to both version of the Wall;
- Numerous emblems for various chapters have been refreshed;
- Blood Angels frames have been updated.

There will be more visual updates in the coming weeks as well as a couple of updates for the website.
Of course as always, if you have /YourDude/ to post or you want to update the existing one be sure to do so. Dude Wall is always open for more submissions.
Please enjoy, Brothers!

Signing off,
Dude Wall Anon

=IMPORTANT=
>**Ultra high quality version of the Dude Wall is available on the website**
>**For more comprehensive info on submissions please refer to: https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g **

Glory to the Imperium!

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>>527507827
A simple buff I'd make before even changing the stats of perks is shuffling around two specific perks.

>Column 5 (Vanilla)
Smiting Angel
Hammer of Wrath
Precision Strike

>Column 6 (Vanilla)
Wings of Flame
Manoeuvrability
Zealous Blow

I would swap the places of both Precision Strike and Manoeuvrability. The logic behind this is you can still take both of these for a standard Jump Pack build, but now you can take Manoeuvrability for a Wings of Flame jump dodge build to keep the charges up as fast as possible. The additional logic is that Precision Strike fucking sucks cock with Zealous Blow, it's not an ideal combination due to the reduced AOE impact zone. So you're not really missing anything here.

After that, I'd buff the following-

>Squad Cohesion
All Squad Members' Abilities recharge 20% faster

>Smiting Angel
Ground Pound radius increased by 30% /// +10% damage is worthless, and Precision Strike is already your main damage buff. You can either reduce the radius penalty of Precision Strike at the cost of losing out on Manoeuvrability, or improve the effectiveness of Zealous Blow.

>Aerial Grace
After a perfectly timed Dodge using a Jump Pack Dash, you deal 30% more Damage for 10 seconds, and dodges can now interrupt all of your melee attack animations.

>>527507685
since the first PTS we know that saber dont actually play their own game.
the moment we saw that heavy is getting melee prestige perks, assault is not getting buffed and the stronger classes get the best prestige perks it was crystal clear.

>>527511841
We've known this since launch due to completely random ammo mid-location spawns not being calculated into Terminus spawns. As a result there are some maps where you can go 33% of the way without any ammo boxes spawning only for them to throw a Terminus unit at you while your team has no ammo and no capability to re-arm.

>>527512382
and then they place a weapon swap pod next to a ammo crate, as if they don´t know that the select pods also refill ammo.

>>527511841
Not playing their own game is strike one. Strike two is there are no play testers. Even if by some miracle that's not true then they're too high to give any feedback.
For instance, why wouldn't the ammo refill spawn be located somewhere mid section of the map? Instead making it magically appear at weapons drop pod. One of many problems the game has that could be solved just by playing....

>>527513083
Or making the ammo chest limited, because of the grenade launcher damage (that they nerfed since).
Even on Absolute, you are not going through your ammo and 3 full refills in any map section as you move through the operation.
And all of the random ammo chest spawns are in the passthrough zones, where you're not even having a long engagement and are just moving along.

the real show of incompetence is their nitpicking in dealing with issues, instead of just adjusting key points that are the root of the issue they fight symptoms.
>plasma gets all ammo back from emps vengeance
>grenade launcher gets all ammo back from emps vengeance
they could have changed emps vengeance to refill % based instead of 1 magazine and adjust the % in a way that it would buff bolters (very underpowered back then) and nerf plasma/GL.
but instead they went and individually changed the interaction with emps vengeance on plasma and GL respecticely, wich is not readable for new players.
the issue of nonexistent readability is especially true for block weapons. no tooltips for any of that, no explanation how adrenaline stacks actually work. new players are entirely dependant on having experienced players explain it to them. this is also true for stuff like pommel strike actually counting as the shield bash when you are using thammer on bulwark.

but what really drives me up the wall is that you have all this retarded weapon sharing and assault STILL sucks ass. the class did not get any meaningfull buff since release, despite clearly needing it.
at launch there was a short misinfo flying around that sniper is underpowered, but people quickly realized that assault actually is the class that sucks the most. he got almost nothing since then. even the stuff he gets via prestige absolutely PALES in comparison to the MMO-flowchart shit vanguard & sniper got. and both of those classes are already top picks without any prestige perks.

>>527504339
for that one youtube faggot that keeps simping about how its amazing and you just need to trade blows

>>527516903
>"dude just trade blows!"
>on a class with no health sustain and on a weapon with bad contested health regen
I know he's retarded already but god damn

>>527518728
>you get hit = you are bad at the game
my dude, there are so many situations in this game where there's nothing you can do to avoid losing health

>>527523640
Not what he was saying. On Absolute or Siege Hard, trading health when the waves start building is always bad in every possible scenario, because there's no guarantee you're going to get 100% of it back. So much shit can stagger you out of the blue, like a Majoris attacking somebody else and phasing through them into you, or the Biovore's potential wall stagger lock where it blasts you at close range, it pushes you into a wall which has a longer stagger animation, which guarantees the next melee pounce back into the face blast again on loop, or the dreaded double Majoris triple combo stagger lock which will just outright down you unless someone intervenes fast.

>>527504339
it has 25 base damage so its really good for maximum ground pound damage, but thats it. you are forced to roll slop around and shoot with your pistol when your ground pound is not up

>>527525470
>Not what he was saying.
and you are who? his lawyer? his boyfriend?

Siege mode. Going in.

M73VF

>>527534689
2/3

>>527526410
>his boyfriend?
Yes, actually.
And as a matter of fact, this >>527525470 anon was correct about what I was saying.

That helmet is just too fucking goofy.

>>527536171
Cheers boo.

>>527540849
It's so whacky one can't help but wonder what were they smoking when designing it. I still use the skin from time to time, because helmet aside, it's not half bad.

>>527540849
Dark Angel, Space Wolf, where's your White Scar, Brother?

>>527536171
faggot

50% slower cHP fade or 1 armor segment every 30 seconds on Bulwark?
Which way Imperial Man?

>>527540849
The heresy ones were so much better it's unreal.

>>527549785
Armor is fucking worthless. On higher difficulties you operate solely on white health.

>>527552072
Yeah, if you're fucking bad at the game lmao

>>527549785
Armor has infinitely more value than thp in literally any situation

>>527552149
What is armor good for other than tanking a tiny bit of enemy fire? Slower hp fade will save your ass when you can't restore it due to getting staggered.

>>527549785
50% slower drain is so painfully good
It gives you more time to catch and avoid enemies in hectic situations, and even lets you recover some from big mistakes/bad situations the game forces on you
30 seconds for one armour segment sounds nice but I have a hard time seeing it being useful - if you trade it to deal damage you might as well have just regained the damage with CHP instead, and if you really want to play safe there are lots of ways of quickly getting armour back in other ways

>>527552404
in my experience if you're getting staggered you are already dead or will be left with a single piexel of hp (around 50% effective health)

>>527552404
If you let yourself get staggered, you deserve to get killed.
>a tiny bit of enemy fire
Yeah, that tiny bit of enemy fire from platforms when there's no enemies around to gunstrike or execute, that ends up taking out half your health while you roll around like an idiot hoping it will recharge

>>527552404
You want armor proc because multiple damage resistance perks rely on your armor running out. Vanguard and Bulwark can have near constant 25% HP damage reductions just through armor yes > armor no > armor yes etc.

>>527552953
Okay that makes sense for bulwark.

Why did it have to be Thousand Sons of all possible factions? Ranged combat fucking sucks so bad.

>>527496715
>right now
I was able to do a 200 year iron man run and beat the crisis at the end when the last DLC came out. Seems stable enough.

>>527555508
Chaos is fine, it's just that devs hate melee.

>>527551904
It's still too much. Raven Guard beakies work because some IRL knight helmets looked like that.

ngl the Mantis Warrior helm here is fire

>>527558510
ah yes, the elusive Black Flamingos chapter.

>>527558510
these are all fucking ass holy shit.

>>527559665
That's the point, it's a mocking joke about the Space Wolves helmet and why it sucks.

codes for siege please

12 days till we can get our asses kicked as Lamenters, boys!

>>527567624
>WW3 before Lamenters drop

>>527569770
Please consult the board.

>>527571638
In 2 weeks we will be told some information will come in 2 weeks

>>527549785
The only way the armor regen perk would ever be competitive is if it was like 1 pip every 20 seconds. 50% slower cHP drain is fucking massive.

>>527508381
>almost a year since the Dude Wall site took off
That's damn impressive Wall Anon. Not only scope of it all, but I've seen few projects on this basket weaving forum last this long. I tip my hat to you Brother for all the work you've done. Truly you're doing Emperor's work.
P.S. And once 8.0 hits I'll post my Dude.

>>527574778
Yeah I'll be changing all 6 of my dudes once the patch goes live.
Still can't decide if I want them all Lamenters or if I want a split of Lamenters and Flesh Tearers.

I personally think Heavy gets slept on as a class when it comes to talk of who's the most powerful. This is mostly because his best perks aren't immediately obvious until you do Saber's job and learn about the hidden mechanics. Build him properly and he's as unkillable as Bulwark with the ranged damage output of Sniper.

>>527576214
If Melta on Tactical or Vanguard is baby mode, Multimelta is piss baby "not even in the same room as the screen" mode

>>527574778
I didn't realize it was going for so long. Then again, I haven't visited the site in a long time.
>>527508381
Well, I just did and man, this is quality. Top notch Brother Dudeius, you're a beacon to this thread! Emperor provides!

>>527576214
Love me some Heavy.

>>527306362
>Black Templars do not wear the aquila because "They are the symbol of the Emperor's might

That's just a line from ADB, old BTs art and models have aquila everywhere, and now as primaris they wear the imperialis like everyone else, not the aquila anyway.

>>527479080
letting your team deal with them so you don't have to

>>527428007
bolt knife

>>527440714
this is why you post codes

>finish prestiging tac then vang then heavy
>trying to pick which class to do next
>realize i don't like any of the remaining classes at all
this was after i prestiged everything once for the pauldron and now i don't even want to relevel them, fug

>>527593856
have you tried posting codes recently

>the guy who bumped the thread asking if anyone wants to play at crazy hours is gone
rip

let me just convert data into xp
please saber

>>527594304
How I feel with Tactical, Vanguard and Sniper.

>>527613010
You will grind ze missions

>>527594304
>not prestiging a class all the way from 1-to-4 in a single go
Some people’s brains work in a very weird way

>>527619464
Fuck that, it's boring.

Imperial Fists are gay.

>>527629745
Ahem

IMPERIAL FISTS ARE GAY

It's getting to the point I'm wondering if we should become a generalist 40K video game general excluding Fagtide because they took over the /coop/ general. At this point, we openly discuss other 40K games and the lore.

>>527633239
>they took over
coopg was birthed from v2g

>>527633846
Right, and Darktide took over to the point they barely let you talk about Vermintide. Their resident autistic splitfag effectively booted Helldivers 2 out of the general, and they did the same to us by constantly shit-talking SM2 and telling people to get lost. Again, /coop/gen is just the autists obsessed with Darktide. Deep Rock Galactic gets a small pass but even then you can't talk about it for more than five minutes.

i am mastering assault and the best side arm is the regular bolt pistol because its so good at returning contested hp. you can click click click and go from 10%-90%. where as if you try to melee it back you will only go to about 35%

How often do you fags get hit that you have to constantly worry about chp? I swear to god, it's all you talk about

>>527637804
Literally impossible to avoid damage on Absolute.

>>527611440
midnight duty

This thing any good?

>>527646730
eh. it would be solid if it wasn´t for the 50% fire resitance on zoan&neuro

>>527635849
>where as if you try to melee it back you will only go to about 35%
blocking.
but yeah, pistol is still better because you don't need to close the gap

>>527647662
They have fire resistance? Why??

>>527646730
it's hilarious to point it at things and see them pop. but then if you play with randos you ALWAYS need to bring a weapon which can disable thropes because people are retarded and it's either that or failing the run.

>>527647721
>"balancing"
they are also resistant to plasma afair. it's bolt weapon/lascan or bust

Are chainsword heavy attacks just for stagger, or do they deal more damage? Should I be kicking and punching warriors or do I just spam the light combo at them?

>>527648689
Chainsword shoulder barge is overtuned to fuck and does both colossal stagger, AOE and damage. If you equip the Full Throttle move swap perk, and then hold the button just a little bit but not too long, you're able to skip into the second light attack and then shoulder barge spam. This is so broken that no Minoris is able to attack you.

>>527648689
you should be attacking them once with whatever to force them to attack you, and only hit them after parrying/blocking. Spamming light attacks will make everything around attack you. Spamming heavy attacks will make the warrior enraged and heal to 100%.

Holy shit I just tried vanguard. It's so disgustingly strong compared to the other 2 melees. Why do they even exist?

>>527650706
once you learn to play a game it's customary to take the training wheels off and play on normal (and eventually, hard) difficulty mode.

>>527650959
classes shouldn't be difficulty settings

>>527651154
and yet here we are.

>>527648885
>Spamming heavy attacks will make the warrior enraged and heal to 100%
I'm quite sure enemies only enrage if they are the last of their pack or if they attempt a call for reinforcements.

>>527650706
Nah, Bulwark built properly fucking mogs Vanguard outside of struggling against Zoanthropes.

>>527651949
This

Vanguard feels strong because he has lots of outs for terrible mistakes. Once you get the heal on Extremis execute, he's by far the easiest to solo Absolute with, because he constantly gets free medkits in a mode where almost none exist. Bulwark when perked up and played properly just never takes damage and bursts anything stupid enough to get close to him, AND he's immune to ranged damage and ranged stagger.

I have a gut feeling the Chaos Spawn enemies will have something equivelant to the psyhokinetic blowback that Nids have.

>>527654047
Explain.
If killing a lesser sorc doesn't stun Rubricae, why would the spawns have a Synapse effect for the rest of the army?

Vanguard is the best because it's the closest you can get to the Space Marine 1 health system.

>>527654419
Because it's arguably half the reason Nids are more fun to fight than Chaos, the other is the significant lack of melee combat. The blowback gives you a strategic choice between hyper-focusing the Majoris and killing the horde by proxy, or if you're armor desperate, parrying/executing Minoris to get armor back. Chaos doesn't have this choice, you're just juggling Tzaangors and Chaos Marines as a collective.

>>527655698
I mean yeah I understand why they SHOULD have something similar but that doesn't necessarily mean they WILL get a similar mechanic.

I HATE THE BIOVORE
I HATE THE BIOVORE

>>527647693
how do you block ranged attacks?

>>527648689
the shoulder bash's damage is cracked, its a dash and the hit box is an aoe bubble that hits behind you too. just spam it and go from there. there are situations where you might want to do the aoe stomp for the stagger. most people also use the charge attack skip, but I dont, i like the punch attack a lot, there is zero delay going from a heavy to a light, but if you go from a heavy to a heavy there is a long delay, I always start combos with a punch

>>527651154
>in a perfect world
>a class like me
>would not exist

>>527644503
Literally isn't

>>527657625
Be a bulwark

with the perks and even the voice lines they have established vanguard as the melee guy, even though he has a gun too. traditionally assault marines were melee guys. now our assault marine is nothing. they made his character into a zealous guy, but his perks dont reflect that at all. he needs something like "when executing a majoris, the whole team gains one armor" or something. there is nothing inspirational about him. he cannot keep the hearts of his brothers pure nor the hearts of his enemies still

Just Power Fist

>>527659351
Power Fist Tactical when?

i tried to do a stomp attack in real life

I hope this game sold well enough for them to afford an audio guy for SM3.

>>527659606
I think the main issue with power fist going on any non-assult/bulwark class is combining it with primary weapons

>>527660776
That was never a problem for primaris.

>>527658043
Literally is, otherwise post an entire mission on Youtube to shut everybody up.

>>527662087
there's something off about that ultramarine but i don't know how to put it

>>527657625
a blocking weapon you faggot.
deals more damage, restores more chp

>>527663625
>Thinks block weapons block ranged attacks
Huh? The only characters capable of blocking ranged are Bulwark and Heavy.

>>527662431
Or you could just stop being a shitter

>>527662087
They'd have to re-animate all the weapons to use one hand in that case
And some stuff just wouldn't fit
Not that it wouldn't be baller to one-hand some of the guns

>>527664375
>Not even an end of mission screenshot with 0 damage
I accept your concession.

>>527663336
the eyes look... flat. like they're painted on the helmet instead of being deeper.

>>527665070
I'm begging you to stop being shit at the game, or at least play solo missions so normal people don't have to carry you

what the fuck is straban doing in this thread

If you're taking damage from anything besides
>surprise biovore
>terminus enemy
>sniper that was locked onto you from behind a corner
consider uninstalling

>>527665689
>dis nigga psychic and dodging spore mines that spawn over him
also
>>terminus enemies
imagine taking damage from a carni, what a fucking loser lmao

>>527665457
There is literally no footage on Youtube of anybody doing a completely damageless run because it's impossible. I refuse to believe this is bait because it's that retarded.

>>527663625
>get shot by 10 ranged minoris and 4 ranged majoris
>take health damage
>have to think fast
>old wise anon says block weapon deals more damage
>jog over to the closest majoris
>wait for him to melee me
>block 1
>block 2
>right click and restore all of my white hp

>>527670683

two more weeks.

>>527675014
Trust the plan.

>Match with an unironic Pajeet
>He's an Assault
>Dies to gaunts within the first minute of a mission

strong legs, at least my crotch was covered

>>527675014
terra in 3 days

>>527682642
>dueling a single warrior
blocksault bros, we just can't stop winning

>>527681850
Brother Scipius is an obvious follower of Primarch Vulkan's school of lifting.
Truly a paragon for all of the Chapter.

>>527683176
assault is awesome

>rainbow in the mission loading screen
I thought you said this game wasn't woke

Embarking on a PTS quest:

IUGN7

>>527684840
2/3

>>527684840
2/3
siege, how about it?

>>527684840
>PTS

Which way, Vanguard man?

>>527684840
I’ve never installed a PTS for any video game and I never will

>>527686519
>>527686874
because you've never seen a miracle
>>527686804
meta

>>527686804
Grapplehook signature is really good but just too fucking cumbersome. It'd be a nice QoL if Vanguard could just innately see the health of Majoris+ enemies without needing to lock on. So because of this, I always just go for the heals.

>liktor warningsound + attack during gunstrike animation
wouldn´t catch me taking damage on absolute. nuh-uh, never.

>>527664651
>They'd have to re-animate all the weapons to use one hand in that case
lost technology
immeasurably complex
please don't look at the first game

>>527687626
The more I play this crap the more pain I feel when looking at SM1.

>>527687626
It's not just an animation problem though, you can't have all these two-handed weapons suddenly one-handed without impacting them with massive accuracy penalties. Otherwise what's the point of two-handing them?

>>527687829
>two-handed weapons suddenly one-handed without impacting them with massive accuracy penalties
it'd be faithful to the tabletop

>>527687508
you get cues when you hit enemies. red means ready for execute.

>>527688520
I'm aware, it's borderline impossible to see under gunfire.

>>527686804
not taking grappling hook is a complete waste.

what the fuck happened to me?

>>527690342
You were above terrain you couldn't land on. The game teleports you back to where you were prior to the hook.

>>527690567
I resent that solution.

>>527687829
that was the tradeoff of taking the perk that let you use full size bolters as assault
but full size bolters actually killed shit in the first game so it would be a total waste of a slot in SM2

Think this is what the devs have in mind for the customization overhaul? I mean, I know I'm a retard huffing copium, but to me this was the most basic and logical groundwork for how we should be able to customize our marines.

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/ideas/8019-▪modular-customization-updated-▪?page=1

>>527692082
games workshop wouldnt let them do this

>>527692908
No sound reasoning behind this when I can make a 50/50 split marine who's half Blood Angel and half Night Lord with an Ultramarine logo on his head and an Inquisition insignia on his right forearm and left shin.

>>527684840
>they were forced to play with a retarded random ASSault

What is his purpose?

>>527695672
to rename picrels into something original

>>527695753
I can't be fucked saving pictures. I just copy paste them directly to the site.

>>527695672
All the devs need to do is stop being retarded and reward his aggression with sustain.

>Vanguard gets invincibility while grappling, Assault needs to waste a prestige perk for the same effect. (PTS).
>Vanguard gets armor back for grappling via prestige, Assault gets no such thing.
>Vanguard gets armor back for multi-kills via prestige, Assault gets no such thing.
>Vanguard gets health back for executions, Assault gets no such thing unless Vanguard exists on his team.

>>527692082
Nice that somebody put two brain cells together and showed them what a decent customization system (and UI) should've looked from the get go. This is basically giving them sensible a blueprint, but I have my reservations about how capable their programmers and UX/UI designers are. With a bit of luck we will see a complete overhaul of current system. Unless they insist on keeping it bloated and *very* counterintuitive.
>>527692908
Not an issue to james workshop, we know this much. By that logic, Brother, gee dubs should put a stop to all current customization features and tell Saber to just leave basic presets we got at launch but with no options to alter them whatsoever. Funny, there are purists bananas enough who'd think it would be a good idea....

>>527696009
And people think Angron had it rough.

Man, I love spring!

>>527697818
17 jun...

>>527695672
kill nidders
behead nidders
round house kick a nidder into the rockcrete

I'm working on a mod that replaces every extremis enemy in the game with biovores and terminators

I WANT TO PLAY LAMENTERS NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>527705064
go pts

the best part of this game is when i get to help my battle brothers

they should class lock out assault and bulwark. its a nightmare carrying these shit classes when they are both in your game

>>527706763
bulwark can be good if you post codes

>lost the chapter's gene sneed

>>527710956
thats why the sniper has to carry it

what if thropes couldnt 100 to 0 you with one lazer

>>527712319
What if your webm wasn’t 20 seconds longer than it needed to be

>>527712942
okay retard

>>527713302
Add about 2-3 seconds to each end for context and it’ll be good

>>527712319
>

>>527712319
Your refusal to ever ADS even at mid range while shots visibly go wide will never stop irking me.
>Inb4 it's not even bound

>>527715994
Oh is it the same guy each time? I just figured most KBMchuds played like that

>>527715994
the mobility is better

>>527716885
You can dodge while aiming, you don't need to release the mouse button before it'll register an additional input.
Aiming will also stop you from gunstriking when you should be dodging and eating shit like a mouthbreather.

>>527716885
>shows a case where he literally got punished for hip-firing and not ADSing

>>527717245
i meant your actual walk speed. also the bullet spread isnt much different when you hip fire the ammo variant with some weapons with the 50% max accuracy perk. bolt pistol, carbine, auto bolt rifle can all be fired from the hip with the same max spread. and i am not sure but seem likes there is no recoil when hip firing.

>>527718139
But what does that faster walking speed actually help you do? You can’t dodge sniper shots, venom cannon blasts, or spore mines with it, nor can you out-walk the melee attacks of a gaunt or a warrior
You think it’s doing something but it’s just a placebo, it does literally nothing

>>527720246
>But what does that faster walking speed actually help you do?
get into better position for your character skill, move into engage priority targets while clicking your contested health back, you absolutely can pop spore mines or stagger or headshot gaunts that are going to melee you. if you are dodging devourers or chaos marine shots, more movement is better since they calculate your velocity and where you will be but if you are far enough away walking while aiming is fine. the only classes that wouldnt benefit much is tact and sniper, heavy would still find use if you are using your halo proactivly, although even tact can make use of mobility to utilize his aoe execute damage.

with the bolt pistol its often better to click and hit 4/6 shots while moving than it is to stand there and hit 3/4 shots in the same amount of time, especially if you are putting a majoris into execute while positioning or killing ranged minoris

>>527721735
Fair enough, those are decent points

Did they ever give a reason for not having Biovore kills popping nearby spore mines.

>>527732246
I believe they tried and that's how we ended up with the leftover invincible spores chilling in the air

they should let gravis use a melee weapon because they can on the tabletop

>>527732246
I assume it's because biovores aren't synapse creatures.
But I'm pretty sure lictors aren't synapse creatures either.

>>527737374
Raveners usually aren't either last I checked
But also the biovore is supposed to be significantly slower than everything else in the game so I don't think lore-accurate traits are a particularly high concern

new patch waiting room.

>>527732246
biovores are “gunbeasts” as scipius calls them. their entire purpose is to spit out shit and not take command

>>527738156
post code

>>527738363
bro i havent played the game in 2 weeks. like i said waiting room for the patch to drop.

>>527738261
At this point I would have just thought that all Tyranid extremis enemies just had synapse rules since Lictors and Raveners are causing synapse backlash on death alongside the Zoans who are more blatantly synapse creatures next to warriors.

>>527738659
post code

>>527738798
zoans and lictors and raveners can control the gaunts and mines because they are smart. biovore is not tactically sound

Biovores were students of the Elden Ring school of fighting because fuck me it always catches me off guard when they rear up, scream, and then wait five seconds to actually throw hands.

>>527739414
foul spacemarined
in search of the elden seed
emboldened by the flame of xp

You just gotta survive 13 more days.

>>527697878
Didn't you hear? Saber extended Spring time over the entire month of June :)

>>527740902
been 2 weeks get over it

imagine if the gunplay in this game wasn't absolutely abhorrent

>>527741904
im rather okay with it. unless it is specifically about gunfire coming at you

Mustard-flavored sadbois soon

>>527740902
>new weapons
>plural
Great, but so far we've had nothing but leaks on things coming out way later. Where are these new weapons?

>>527746087

>>527746087
What are the odds we just get the new weapons dropping alongside siege mode on the 26th?
What are the odds we get no info or apology for failing to meet their deadline?

>>527746657
nta, maybe I'm wrong but I thought pic related are not in PTS so they won't be adding pyreblaster and melee weapons in 8.0. There's no mention nor hint of those in the last community update, so best guess is it'll be something for mid-season or 9.0.

>>527753238
Won't be with Siege, they're coming with the Techmarine.

>>527753238
>What are the odds we get no info or apology for failing to meet their deadline?
About the same as GW remembering about Iron Hands or Legion of the Damned. And even if it says here >>527740902 'subject to change' it's a common courtesy to tell your players/customers what they should expect. Even more so if you know you'll miss the deadlines. It's not rocket science....

I'm either going insane or there's something going in with block weapons on PTS. It seems like they don't register the blows or the attacks sometimes go through my blocks completely.
Anyone has experienced similar issues?

>>527759925
it already existed with whip nidders but now it's even worse.

When was someone going to tell me that the Rogue Trader game includes a newborn unsharded C'tan that wants to protect humanity?

Brothers, what is wrong with people who constantly push forward in Absolute to the point of continuously rolling around like retards? The point of this is murdering tons of heretics and xenos, just playing this as a race to the end seems so empty, especially when you finished leveling up

>>527759925
Has been a thing since 5.0. The real new block bug is that perfect blocks no longer apply the deflection bonus or auspex parry.

>>527760952
sounds gay

>>527760952
>wants to protect humanity
it doesn't. it wants to do what you teach it to do.

>>527768095
And, as a normal person, you teach it that humanity is the best and all the other races are at best vermin investing your galaxy.

>>527773791
Infesting, shit.

>>527761607
Unless they're maxed level they're obviously prestige leveling

Also staying put too long in Absolute is a disaster and waste of time, there's a fine line between godawful speedrunner and taking too long to wipe out the hordes

first time seeing a double gunstrike. pretty cool.

>>527785095
I got a triple gunstrike once.
I only regret it was on a lash warrior instead of a devourer warrior.

>>527777968
Agreed, but having a horde of majoris following you around because of it tends to lead to disaster

I hate having to guess this shit. It's dumb.

>>527790404
iirc is it not when an enemy "staggers" after you've been shooting them?

>>527790404
>Try to lock on to enemy
>Game is having a fit and won't let you
>Or you execute some other random enemy nearby
JUST SHOW ME THEIR HP AT ALL TIMES WHEN I HAVE THIS PERK ON

>>527791365
do terminators even stagger? ever?

>>527791648
I think I've seen it happen

I still love the gameplay in SM2 even after nearly a year, but the OST is such a flat nothingburger. Rogue Trader should not be dropping choons I consider more fitting for Space Marines.

https://youtu.be/ua6lfRllw-Q?si=ta_eNNHCKYVMf1xu

kek just got kicked for picking up the gene seed

>>527794548
Space Marine 2's soundtrack isn't techy enough. That's what games like Darktide, Mechanicus and Rogue Trader cracked. The composers remembered this is a dark science fantasy franchise, so the music should be a fusion of electronic, synth, organs and choirs. A glorified medieval society with technology we can barely fathom.

>>527796316
This is crazy, how could people not notice they sometimes get extra xp even though they didnt pick up geneseed themselves. Was he rerolling lobbies until getting host and kicking people ever all the time?

>try to delete post
>something went wrong

>>527798649
They were sony shitters so I don't expect much. I knew it was coming when he started shooting me. Luckily it was the first part of Ballistic Engine, so I spent more time in loading screens than playing the game.

>play solo with bots
>gunstrike enemy
>lictor warning sound, still jumps me during gunstrike animation
it keeps happening

>>527794548
the sound design in general is souless. VAs are bad too

>>527790404
youll start to see the red flash. even squadmates have it

>>527801378
Yellow flash, red flash, aint nobody got time fo dat, i already have issue staying alive in absolute, i dont have the capacity to keep track which fucker blinked in which color. Nta

>>527800272
You're not invuln during gunstrikes unless you took a relevant perk.

>>527803187
i am aware

>>527803187
The thing is, its bullshit design. Afair there was a video posted lately of anon getting a "no u" grab by a termie during a gunstrike

>>527804636
>its bullshit design
The game is plenty easy already. Fully invuln gunstrikes would make it even easier and would just make melee executions redundant since lethal gunstrikes are significantly faster.

>>527804808
Im talking about something else. With other enemies you can tell if you are safe to gunstrike or not. But the ravener and the lictor can jump at you out of thin air after you commited to a gunstrike.

>>527791378
Not sure if this is a thing on live, but on PTS there's also a bug where you'll slam into things on the way to your intended target and hit them instead
Can be really annoying when coupled with all the things you mentioned

>>527794548
That's why Darktide's OST is so good. Jesper Kyd knows the way of the samurai. I wish they contracted him for SM2.

>leddit discussing the concept of a 30k themed space marine game
>instead of understanding why space marine is good (focuses on literal who's doing nothing important) want detailed fleshed out expansions on the heresy
man, every day I am reminded that "you think you do, but you don't" is flat out correct

>>527808690
Less is more. Especially in media. People seem to forget that often.
It's why I'm glad gw haven't messed up the concept of STCs (yet).

ground pound is so much cooler than heal flag

save me gilly man

>>527805456
this anon gets what i mean

>>527791648
from grenades, las fusil to the face, and parries

>>527791648
assault ground pound does, which is why assault is so powerful

What are the chances Malum Caedo could have a cameo or even appear in SM3 to some degree? Because I doubt this would be possible in SM2 for any of the next 3 operations they've got going.

>>527821212
we don't need him in sm3.

Neurolictors when?

cease your heresy

>>527070239 (OP)
Two questions for anyone willing to answer:

1: have they improved PVP in SM2? It was so barebones and the maps were so awful and the classes were so unbalanced. Any improvements?

2: i see the Master Crafted Edition released for SM1; i heard rumors that Relic would be merging the classic and remasters game's multiplayer (pvew & pvp). is this accurate or true to any extent?
I really enjoyed SM1's pvp and I remain disappointed that #2 was so bare bones. Hoping there might be some effort to unite the two versions pvp and pve at least.

Have they gotten rid of class conflict in Operations yet?

>>527826548
yes when you queue you never get in an op where the class is taken

>>527826548
You will only have one of each class in Operations and two in Eternal War and you will be happy. You will only be able to form 3 man squads with Operations and Eternal War and you will be happy

>>527826234
Sniper is still annoying bullshit to deal with, vanguard has went from annoying bullshit to completely pointless, it is otherwise the same.

>>527832184
how the fuck did they mess up the maps so much?
this shouldve been a straight battlefield/halo:btb style for multiplayer anyway.
predators, land speeders, rhinos and 10v10 or more. they really fucked a beagle with this shit.

>>527833920
>predators, land speeders, rhinos and 10v10 or more
m8 they couldn't even figure out playable dreadnoughts curb your enthusiasm

I'm of the opinion it was just an absolutely gargantuan mistake to call it "space marine 2" when it plays nothing like space marine in the first place.
Nobody would have expected it to play like space marine and a lot less people would have been pointing out all the various ways it's worse than the first game if they didn't decide to tie it to the first game in name alone.

>>527833920
Eternal Crusade lookin ass lmaoooo

>>527835110
That’s weird, I haven’t heard anyone say SM2 is worse than SM1
Most discourse I’ve seen around is about how SM2 is just a better game overall, even on >reddit

>>527835593
>I like to see homos naked
okay.. and? That isnt helpful.

>finally finish waging
>get home do chores
>cook supper
>take care of pets
>finally able to play for a few hours
>too drunk to play well

>>527836204
I just play Absolutes 5-6 beers in
I WILL go down 3-4 times and you WILL carry me through the mission
>>527835835
NTA but what the hell does eternal crusade have to do with watching naked men

>>527836691
>I just play Absolutes 5-6 beers in
>I WILL go down 3-4 times and you WILL carry me through the mission
next time post codes

Lamenters when??

>>527835753
The ways it's worse are pretty obvious.
>most of the guns fucking suck because they do next to no damage unless you exclusively hunt for headshots
which leads to
>most of the enemies are ridiculous bullet sponges for no good reason
>the guns just generally handle like shit to an unreasonable degree to the point that hipfire might as well not be something you can do for most weapons
>the sound design is utterly fucked when you're using firearms because they're accompanied by all sorts of pings and hitmarker sounds that ruin it
>armor and color customization is worse in general
>it requires a vanguard that chose a specific class perk on your team to make the health regeneration system somewhat close to what it should be by default
Some people may say it's better, but the review scores are objectively more positive for the first game.

speed runners need to fuck off. i literally watched a guy roll slop to the next check point then stand there and wait while we killed everything

>>527837642
Well that sucks, I hope you enjoy SM1 then

June update is ONLY Siege Mode and Blood Angels/White Scars stuff right? No new weapon or mission?

>>527716885
>>527712319
you are fucking garbage lmfao.

>>527837005
nta, but last time i was trying to post codes while drunk i had the worst experience ever. nobody joined or replied for 30 minutes. when i started sobering and posted that i'm going in with randos another guy posted his code IMMEDIATELY and in 15 minutes his lobby was full.

>>527842070
midwits who fight every single enemy in choose-your-own-adventure areas are the worst. if you turn back to aggro enemies that are behind you you have mental illness and deserve to be ganked by extremis.

>>527857382
Leave no mutant or heretic alive

>>527860749
until it becomes leave no spacemarine alive because you dumb asses need rescuing every time

>>527857382
I want the extermination bonus.
I WILL be getting it.

>>527856512
>sobering up
Just keep drinking nigga damn
Do you not make sure you have enough alcohol to last the night before you start drinking or something

>>527862720
you will not be getting it because I'll be killing things while you're on the bench

>>527863160
I wish, but these days I get katzenjammer after drinking the amount of alcohol that used get me lightly buzzed and ready for partying in my 20s. sucks to be old.

>>527863571
Yeah I know I’m 32, but I know that a 6 pack of something about 6-7%ABV will last me for 4-ish hours, so I just make sure I start drinking at 8 if I want to go to be at 12
It ain’t hard

>>527818469
>assault is so powerful
ror
rmao

8.0 when?

>>527877276
Release date hasn't changed since they set it a few weeks ago

>>527877276
Not soon enough. They better implement fixes for most of submitted bugs on their forums.

>>527879542
Prepare for block weapons being fucked over even harder than they already are until the next monthly update we get in two and a half months

Did they remove them coming over the roof? All recent decapitations have been bridge assault for me.

>>527881852
This seems to go in waves or something. Back when I first started playing it took me quite a while (certainly a dozen runs or such) to even learn that coming across the bridge was a possibility. Then there was a period of only bridge assaults. Then back again, some periods seemingly mixed. No idea what causes it, if they are secretly changing some variables behind the scenes from time to time or just weird luck/programming, but both types of attacks can and do happen still and it just swings from one extreme to the other.
Same with other objectives. Obelisk tunnels have two paths and I tend to see a lot of one and then a lot of the other rather than an even mix (when I'm actually playing the mission).

>>527882389
>Same with other objectives. Obelisk tunnels have two paths and I tend to see a lot of one and then a lot of the other rather than an even mix (when I'm actually playing the mission).
The Servo-Skull for the door? That one seems immensely more common than the zones in the darkness.

>>527883670
Yeah, the servo skull search seems more common than the console startup sequence but even so, I've mostly seen the console startups come in waves of multiple in a row. It's to the point where it can't just be dumb luck, the odds would be astronomical.

>people getting confused about how rngs work
i thought we were supposed to live in a dark age of technology first before plunging into superstition

>>527884420
It's not random enough to be a well-made randomizer though, that's the thing. Whatever is determining which of these events will happen is clearly working off something that has less than ideal randomness. That's either deliberate or a result of bad programming, but despite what might seem more likely I'm not going to make an assumption.

>>527884420
A good randomizer wouldn't have the bridge spawn happen over and over for a week straight to the point I thought the roof spawn was removed.

Come play some absolutes.

I fucking hate Thousand Sons. If they do chaos again in SM3 it better be World Eaters.

>Anon can't comprehend how probability works

Wow. Heavy prestige perks stink.

>>527886515
>Auxiliary Reload is good
>Conviction is S-tier
>Indomitable Spirit is solid
>Duellist or Reverberating Impact are both decent 4th plugs

Heavy has borderline no weaknesses outside of his ammo economy so it doesn't matter. The class is slept on by the general playerbase.

>>527886340
Good randomizers do not rely on pure 50/50. Music companies literally learned this 20 years ago when shuffle modes kept playing the same song over and over, back to back. People do not use shuffle for that to happen, so now all good modern shuffle modes specifically force skip repeated songs in the last 1-2 hours.

>>527794548
I wish I knew the technical terms for music, because that little beat in the background is fire. It's like an electric guitar being plucked through a muffled speaker way in the back of an empty mall.

>>527886340
I know enough about probability that I can tell when a coin flip coming up heads repeatedly starts being so unlikely that it's time to consider that it might be rigged in some way, intentionally or not. Of course, I haven't recorded any exact data and am just going off memory so it COULD be perception bias at work and I can't prove anything, but I can still feel quite confident that it's at least worth investigating.

>>527794548
It's not just the music. The sound in general fucking sucks. I sometimes rewatch this video just to remember how good it was in Space Marine 1. https://youtu.be/vpDYLij_eKg?si=JQRMgciVnAScCT-M&t=34 The chainsword's powerful whirr Titus' punches sounding like cannon shots.
I hope Space Marine 3 has just a little bit of that Relic audio mastery juice.

>>527886273
Imagine playing chaos missions except 90% of majoris enemies are replaced with melee terminators with less health and slightly less downtime between attacks
That's what it'd be like to face world eaters
Man, how good we could've had it

>>527886273
>melee
>more parryslop
>Khorneflakes
Good thing you're not a dev

Don't hate the Thousand Sons or ranged combat, hate the fact that these shitty slav devs insist on a 3-man team when a normal Space Marine squad is 5

>>527892650
Ranged combat has consistently been the weakest element of both Space Marine games. It's not a coincidence that people like fighting Nids more.

>>527893269
They only like Tyranids because of synapse kills, people will hate them equally if not more without it

Imagine PvE Orkz

Play Fromslop and other adjacent games if you want parryslop, leave ranged combat to 40k

>>527892650
how the hell would a 5 man squad improve anything? it would just clog up the maps.
this is co-op video game rules, not tabletop rules.
even it it was tabletop rules, an Intercession squad would not have a jetpack assault marine, either of the phobos marines and definitely not a fucking bladeguard veteran.

>>527893484
>They only like Tyranids because of synapse kills,
Right, has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of their enemies are melee based. The closest thing Chaos gets to melee-focused is the beyblade Terminator and the Helbrute.

>>527894684
helbrute is fun to fight. but the terminators will stagger you if you attack them twice. its bullshit

>>527902208
why the hell would you swing at the terminators? you're supposed to shoot them in the face.

>>527892650
40k elite squads are 3 mans usually across the game
there's outliers of course like terminators, sternguard, vanvets etc

>>527902356
give assault a main ranged weapon then

>>527902947
dude, assault is already the most op class. What we need to do instead is buff vanguard.

>>527902947
right... I forgot assault was a class for a blissful second there. just give them a charge plasma shot to the face or something

>find quickmatch
>10 minutes of loading
>wake back up on the battle barge
very funny, Saber

>>527905030
>find quickmatch
>10 minutes of loading
>step on the landing pad
>10 minutes of loading
>vanguard and heavy both start shooting melta
>sigh, click return to battle barge
>10 minutes of loading
we're not the same

>>527906646
>being butthurt about being carried
have you tried not playing ass-ault?

>>527906893
>being carried
dunning-kruger
>assault
projecting

What's the play with the knife? I'm too used to slash-slash-bash of the chainsword.

>>527908724
Light heavy heavy light heavy heavy light etc is a good all-rounder combo for it
The trick is that unlike every other weapon in the game where you tap for light and hold for heavy, the knife SWITCHES between light and heavy on hold and continues current combo on tap
So the combos are confusing to get down
Other than that, just make extra sure not to be surrounded at all

I also like taking both the alternate attacks, shoulder bash is really quick and shadow stab is a nice utility tool if the enemy doesn't walk away from it

Could a band of max level Darktide rejects clear a SMarine mission?

>>527919831
depends, what difficulty do we consider to be canon?
because the hardest thing, canonically, in darktide is the beast of nurgle which is about as strong as a helbrute
things like the swarmlord or trygon are way more powerful

>>527921816
We haven't gotten to a Swarmlord in SM2 yet.

>>527928354
technically we have, the Swarmlord is just a name for a really important Hive Tyrant

>>527930596
Swarmlord always has four bone sabres and inherits memories. We only fought a regular Hive Tyrant.

>>527930596
The Swarmlord is its own unique bioform, though the hive mind did use the hive tyrant as a base when creating it. It's also an individual with its own unique mind and memories that it keeps between deployments.

>>527930914
you buy a hive tyrant, you can make a hive tyrant or a swarmlord
because it's the same model
this is actually really common in 40k

>>527931697
Anon, you know we're talking about this a completely different context. A Hive Tyrant is to a Swarm Lord to what a Hive Tyrant is to a Gaunt.

>>527932034
it's the same thing, it's just a hive tyrant with some lore behind it
like how many of the named space marine captains or lieutenants might have unique loadouts/rules, but they're still just captains and lieutenants

>>527932396
Are you same guy from before who said that the Hive Tyrant inherits memories from previous engagements too?

>>527932583
no?
why would hive tyrants have that lore
they would only inherit what their hive mind learns

>>527933058
Okay so it's two weird people.

>>527933215
not sure why you think it's weird
it's the same model with an upgrade sprue on it to make it a named character
it leads tyrant guard, just like a hive tyrant, and has the hive tyrant keyword
it just has its own special loadout and some special abilities
but it's still a T10, 2+, 4+ model on a 60mm base

>>527919831
Based on bolt shells, a single gaunt takes about as much damage to kill as some of the tankier elites in darktide. Warriors eat entire bolter mags without even being staggered. And that's assuming the human-sized bolter in darktide does exactly as much damage as the full size space marine bolters. Not to mention the fact a warrior is probably hitting a reject as hard as a crusher per attack.
It would be like if you replaced all the regular chaff in a darktide wave entirely with maulers or ragers and then added a bunch of even tankier crushers that regularly do combos that outrange any reject's melee weapon. Then there's the ranged enemies which are also as durable as ragers or crushers and would probably instantly down any reject if they get hit.
Then you get into extremis that would need the entire squad to focus to kill in a reasonable time frame, which obviously wouldn't be possible if everyone's fighting for their lives against 50 gaunts and 10 warriors.
It would be the most difficult darktide mission by far even on SM2's lowest difficulty, some of the higher difficulties probably wouldn't even be theoretically possible.

>>527934538
sisters of battle use an upgraded bolt rifle and it is less powerful than the space marine version on tabletop, the one in darktide is barely stronger than a bolt pistol and is designed to be used and fired by humans without power armor
the average enemy in darktide is also the equivalent of the cultists that our space marines run into and explode
people really underestimate how strong chaff enemies in 40k things like gaunts are 1:1 with a cadian shock trooper

>>527908724
the two skull crusher attacks deal the most damage in all situations and hit more targets. the knife's charged shadow stab attack turns you into a heat seeking missile so you can actually use it unlike the chainsword's charge attack

>>527919831
Darktide rejects are already gameified to hell and back.
A group of 4 amazingly well-coordinated ogryns MIGHT be able to pull off half of what they do in an average high difficulty mission.
Any group without an Ogryn or a Psyker shouldn't be making it past their first beast of Nurgle, let alone 100 chaos cultists

Newfag here, thinking about buying the game, haven't watched much to avoid spoilers annd keep the experience fresh. I've been thinking of getting the game, wanted to ask how are the various game modes overall? QRD? How much can I get out of the game both SP and MP