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Twilight of the Idols edition

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>Previous thread
>>530900215

>>530900437
All of them actually

you should've made it sooner I had to wait too long before making my very important post

>>531033806
POST YOUR ANSWERS TO THE LINKED QUESTION HERE

avatarfags worshipping ecelebs general?

Veteran indie dev says success on Steam these days is impossible to predict: 'Why did Balatro take off? You could write a million f***ing essays and none of them will be definitely right'

lmfao which one of you is this

>>531034305
>he wishes he could stop
me with gooning

>>531034305
me

a sale is a sale

i cant figure out how to include raylib in vscode
would another ide be easier or do i need to figure this out

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3079160/Dont_Lose_Aggro/
>tanked to death
this is gmi material

>>531036384
It is not the tank's job to hold aggro. It's the DPS's job to not pull aggro.

Only
>Outstanding wishlists: 1.8k
after over a year, with no release date. NGMI.

I OPENED A WINDOW

SoloDevs need to STOP
stop being a SoloDev
you NEED to hire us
just stop
STOP IT

>>531036384
wow gameplay sux

>>531034185
>veterán Indie dev
>woman

It's been a while and I didn't do any development at all during that time. But I'm back baby!

>>531036989
>stop being a SoloDev
This, but unironically.

>you NEED to hire us
What skills do you bring to the table?

I used AI voice acting in my game. Okay guys?

>>531037548
How did you get a celebrity to work with as an indie?

>>531037368
Imma UX designer QA and community manager

>>531037359
welcome back mate

>>531037359
There’s clearly a bug with lighting on ladder

>>531037734
>UX designer
Post some figmas

>community manager
What communities have you managed, and what challenges have you experienced during those times?

>>531037787
Yeah it's driving me nuts...\
>>531037776
Cheers cobba

>>531038192
It's a bit jank but it wasn't that hard to figure out. I can walk on any surface and the rigidbody auto-aligns itself.

Basically I spherecast down to get the normal of the surface and use that for gravityDirection. gravityMagnitude is the 9.81f magic number that Unity has but you could adjust it if you want. All this in FixedUpdate.
>Vector3 gravity = gravityDirection.normalized * gravityMagnitude;
>rb.AddForce(gravity, ForceMode.Acceleration);
>Vector3 desiredUp = -gravityDirection.normalized;
>Quaternion currentRotation = transform.rotation;
>Quaternion targetRotation = Quaternion.FromToRotation(transform.up, desiredUp) * currentRotation;
>rb.MoveRotation(Quaternion.Slerp(currentRotation, targetRotation, alignRotationSpeed * Time.fixedDeltaTime));

Rotation is
>playerTransform.Rotate(Vector3.up, mouseX, Space.Self);
>cameraPitchTransform.Rotate(Vector3.right, -mouseY, Space.Self);
With sort of this >>531035353 structure but I'm using Cinemachine so the Virtual camera is not a child object but uses the Pitch as it's follow target. Cinemachine doesn't really bring anything to this if it's in first person so you could do without and put the camera as child or have a script on camera that updates its pos and rot in lateUpdate.

You'd really wanna improve upon the raycasting and probably get some average to make moving on uneven surfaces feel better.

t. >>531032141

Are there any good examples of a 3D beat 'em up

>>530990842
>Successful games on the left
>Failures on the right
hm...

>>531033764
I was talking about Balatro's success back when it was still a demo. The primary appeal is the scope management + visual effects. The entire point is the guy worked in a market that focuses heavily on visual effects and brought that experience into the field where most people lack that experience.
There are other things I could talk about but that's at the forefront.

>>531038516
9.81 isn't a magic number silly, that's the actual rate of acceleration under gravity on earth.

>>531037890
how do i make a game with character designs like this

>>531039161
Yakuza

>>531039603
>there are retards on this board that don't know this
Grim...

>>531039228
>rain world
>low effort style
um.. what is low effort about some of the most complex procedural animation in history?

>>531039603
I meant that I used that number as it is the Unity default. Not that I didn't know why they have that number.

>>531039603
It is quite literally a magic number considering people don't think it "feels right" when there is no "right" with gravity.

>>531040019
In terms of the engine you also need to adjust the mass of the rigidbody and tune the forces you apply to get something closer to realistic but when it comes to games you want what feels good not what feels realistic most of the time.

>>531039880
bro made a single procedural animation for a white blob and then copy-pasted it a bunch of times and said "this is the most complex animation in history" while nodevs are out there making numerous creatures with procedural animation

>>531040019
That's not what the term "magic number" means.

>>531040019
a magic number is some arbitrary and mysterious number whereas 9.81 is instantly recognizable as the gravity of earth by anyone with a >2 digit IQ

Hey team. I have returned after years away. It's good to be home. How are your games?

>>531034185
as an actual real indie veteran i can predict your indie success (no matter what store) with one simple metric to an accuracy of 75% and with a second metric increase that accuracy to 90%

>anons would rather argue gravity number than talk gamedev
this is why this thread sucks

>>531040318
retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVntwsrjNe4

>>531040383
>How are your games?
terrible

>>531040563
I'm sorry to hear that.
Maybe it will turn around for you soon?

>>531040562
>list of examples of characters that have exactly 1 color, not even different shades of color, just 1 color in a 2d plane so no matter how you animate them you can't fuck it up

When will your game come out Anon?
Exact Deadline? Rough Estimate?
When are you going to be the next AGDG millionaire?

my games will turn millions of young men into fascists

>>531041085
Im only Aggy Dagging for fun

>>531038516
sorry for the late response, i was messing around with code trying to use yours and compare it with my own (im retarded so it takes a million years to do)
basically, i think ive pinpointed the exact issue. the camera works fine for changing gravity to walk on walls and such however for larger changes like going from down to straight up, causing it to do a 180

thanks to you and everyone else for the help. im starting to understand this more i think, but i still have absolutely no idea how to prevent the 180 flip when going from down to up or other large jumps

>>531041310
Does anyone remember that game a /pol/chud made about being a detective in an alt-future Nazi NY? Im pretty sure it got scrubbed from the internet. It looked pretty cool though.

my games will turn millions of young men and women into communists

>>531041085
Next year, because I ran out of money and need to find a job now.

>>531041425
Rather than instantly changing the gravity vector, Slerp or SmoothDamp it over time.

my games will turn millions of anons into eco terrorists because they will be terrible

>>531039683
I wish I knew

>>531041335
That's the best reason to aggy daggy. I hope you make tons of money anyway.]

>>531041576
>find a job
Oh no! Anon, I'm so sorry. I'll have a Coke with that.

>>531041649
>>531041569
Genius.

>>531040717
>>531041085
>oh look it's these assets again

>>531039683
You looking for character design advice or modeling advice?

>>531042071
They're so recognizable as noob graphics I don't know if I can use them to publish. And they were expensive too!

I finished the meme

>>531039603
thats a magic number because it only applies to earth

>>531042204
Why the fuck would you start with the art and not the gameplay? That frog and the guy are both dumb drooling retards

>>531041630
yeah i already use slerp for it, i think the issue is that when you reverse gravity on something *has* to do a 180
picrel is my drawing of what i thinks happening that im not very good at explaining with words

literally no idea how to fix this though

>>531042204
kek

slot machine-like devs?

I got a window to stay open as long as I want

>>531042416
ALSO forgot to mention red is what is currently happening, and green is what i want to happen

>>531042204
Truly the tortoise and the hare of our generation.

>>531042416
IIRC, you're slerping camera.rotation, not the gravity vector. I mean Slerp the gravity Vector3.

>>531042192
>he paid for syntyslop

Been working on a 2D vehicle sim/sandbox game idea. Today I made the vehicle system editable via JSON, so every vehicle type is just a JSON file which specifies the hull, wheels and joints and their physical properties. Don't mind the ugly graphics, I drew those icons in gimp myself and I'm not an artist...

if(IsKeyPressed(KEY_ESCAPE))
{
CloseWindow();
return 0;
}

Was this stupid? Is there a better way to do this?

>>531042204
but pepe has the experience to make an even better game now and can go hiking whenever he wants too while jak is still a nodev thougheverbeit?

>>531041085
It did come out
Now the issue is getting more and more builds out while I get bombarded with messages going
>Where's the next build

>>531042783
I know, right? And here I thought I was being a good man. Of course, one only gets ripped off if one is "good" on the internet.

>>531042204
Add a section where wojak becomes a youtube gamedev guru that gives advice to pepe on "The 3 key things your game is missing in 2025"

>>531041070
ok you do it

>>531042204
nice, I await the sequel trilogy

I wish I had pictures of all your faces that I could put in as the enemy face textures so I could shoot all you cunts in the face.

>>531042754
seems to have the same effect, not sure what else it would do though desu

>>531043201
>2k+ Downloads
>Gross Rev: $18
Life is so not fair. I hope your builds are stunning and your people pay you big bucks. Pretty cool having people asking for the next build. I can't wait until I get that far.

>>531043367
This is actually an awesome idea. If anyone wants to get a club together, we can put our faces in some basic FPS. We can copy Eric Barone's from the internet. If I were shooting AGDG members in the face, I'd feel pretty good. Cozy.

>>531043582
But wed have to de-anon to do that. Doesnt that defeat the point or something.

>>531042894
that's pretty cool

>>531043423
That's because I put donations, not actual payments
I don't know why the fuck anyone pays for itch downloads when they can just download it for free.

>>531043367
You have 4 or 5 faces. isn't that enough?

>>531043621
It would just be a bunch of random peoples faces. Maybe someone can create an FPS where you just shoot people in Guy Fawkes masks who are making comments found on AGDG.

making some prog

i'm trying to marnix method of building a game idea made up of only one asset pack

>>531043745
The idea is actually a fun one. Maybe we could submit (one time, ever, of course) avatars for it.
Also I wouldnt be opposed to the idea of an /agdg/ meetup maybe one day in the future if anyone actually wanted to do that.

>>531043895
nice to see it coming together

>>531043638
Cheers anon. I feel like it might have some potential if I can actually turn it into a game. But I have never finished anything so I don't believe it will ever become anything, I just make a tech demo after a tech demo, never made anything I could call a game.

>>531042416
>>531042754

im going to go to sleep, so i anyone has any other ideas for how i could fix this i likely wont see your reply for 12 or so hours

>>531043895
add orbs

What do you do after you figure out how to make a window

>>531044308
pong

>>531043895
where are the orbs

>>531044338
I will NEVER make pong

you could tell which developers actually know and love the type of [retro throwback] games that they're making vs. the ones that only make them because they're easier.

>>531043001
Yeah, use new input system manager

>>531044257
>>531044458

Ladies, let me introduce you. The wide orb.

>>531044635
>if game is hard that means it's good
midwit take

>>531043413
>>531044148
If you follow the set-up I posted here >>531039003, then you would no longer have slerps in neither the player nor camera code. Instead, the slerping can be offloaded to whatever changes the gravity. Alternatively, if you go back to Cinemachine, then that can do the slerping for you with damping parameters, which would be ideal.

>>531043274
Sorry, I use more than 1 color in my game. I'm working with more complicated animations all day long, rather than making one "snap foot to nearest anchor point" function and spamming it on all creatures while making them glide like hovercrafts across the ground.

I'd really like to dumb my game down in terms of art it'd save me so much time but I've got to finish this game first.

i finally got my terrain noise generation code to work in my game bros

>>531044976
show it

>>531042416
>>531044148
Based on your picture I'd say you're calculating the new direction wrong. Like if you rotate your character around the x axis you would get the wrong direction. You'd need to rotate around z axis when the gravity changes. Roll instead of yaw.

If you're using slerp it would be like going from (0,0,0) to (180,0,0) instead of going from (0,0,0) to (0,0,180). Latter retains the forward direction.

This >>531038516
>>Quaternion targetRotation = Quaternion.FromToRotation(transform.up, desiredUp) * currentRotation;
I think multiplying by currentRotation is what retains the direction if I'm not entirely mistaken on my quaternions.

>>531044891
didn't read but don't see any animation. I accept your concession

>>531045138
If you were rainworld dev I'd show you and talk animation.

>>531045286
if you weren't a nodev I'd listen

>>531043250
When I release my game on steam and it makes millions of dollars and I no longer have to work and instead can just day drink every day and maybe work on another game but not much only like 2 hours a day tops to not be overworked I will then be also featured on one of his videos and he will ask me "anon this is crazy your game made millions how do you feel about that that must be strange my tower game that I'm making will hopefully also make millions" and and I will say "Yes it is very strange it feels like yesterday when I was still just posting on adgdgg and didn't have a released game on steam that makes millions but now I do have a game on steam that made millions every day I wake up thinking WOW I'm a millionare".
And then I will just look at my bank account getting larger and larger and I will smile.
And then I will know I made it and I'm finally free. And my life will begin then.

I make games out of love for games, not for money.

I make games out of hatred for games, for money.

>>531045672
>be anon
>get rich
>get BILLIONS
>lonely in big mansion
>no wife, no kids, not even a gf
>be Notch, the anon who """made""" it

>>531045815
The hero of the story
>>531045852
The villain of the story

I make games out of love for making games, not for games or money

>>531045857
What does that faggot do nowadays anyways? The fact that he does not have a wife/gf and hasn't reproduced makes me think that he really sees no point in bringing more souls into this world, which I can understand but also cannot because every human is inherently selfish.

>>531045672
I wonder if I'll stop getting in dumb arguments with people in this thread once I become a millionaire from my game.

>>531046012
he's making a voxel friendslop dungeon game

>>531046064
Last time I checked he was unable to finish any project after minecraft.

>>531046094
I don't blame him. "Making it" is my biggest largest driving force. If I was rich I'm not sure I could bring myself to work on my game more than 1-2 hours a day instead of just going to the SPA and eating expensive foods and hiking.
I think any game he could make right now wouldn't bring him more money than he gets from the 1 billion he has invested in bonds/stocks whatever.

>>531046012
You know he was married once and got divorced? I think its weird that no one ever brings that up
Or the fact that he used to throw parties in his mansion and doesnt anymore
As far as I know he doesnt even have any friends

>>531046271
I know he was married but that relationship never lead to anything and IIRC it was before he sold minecraft.

>>531046318
It was before, so he wasnt incredibly rich yet. I dont think it was ever announced who initiated it or why either. After he was famous though.

Notch used to hang around in lwjgl's IRC channel. He vanished when he "made it" and now that channel is pretty dead, except for the occasional jokes about notch abandoning them.

>>531046012
It's crazy the sheer number of anons that simply assume Notch never married and had a child
Really makes me think there's something deeper about this phenomenon

>>531046504
Oh he actually has a daughter it seems, never knew.

>>531046504
Notch never had a child?
And he was only married for a few years.

>>531043942
>agdg meeting
Yeah, that would be cool. We seem like a neat bunch.

>>531046578
Damn he did have a kid?? What the fuck?? Does he ever see her? Im suddenly incredibly curious about his personal life.

>>531046094
he has a team now

>>531045451
keep sucking yesdev cock, maybe they'll talk to you one day

>>531046921
I'm not that flexible

t-thanks elon

How is a general dedicated to making games separated into two distinct, hostile sides between people who are making games and people who arent? This is like a card games general on /tg/ being seperated into the Card-Hater and Card-Enjoyers.

>>531047010
yes that's exactly like the card game generals on /tg/

>>531047010
because making a game is hard and shitposting is easy

>>531047096
Just a hypothetical
>Like /pol/ but with Left wingers

>>531047139
so exactly like /pol/...

>>531042464
Claude is never wrong.

>>531045672
"So... it sounds like you think your forte is in directing, like, six figure games... Actually I've been thinking about my role for my project, Twisted Tower, and it feels so uncertain sometimes. You know what anon? We're all gonna make it."

clearly the superior container for your save data is just dumping it in an archive and mounting it with physfs when you wanna read it

>>531037359
The legend is back... nice.

>>531045672
>>531047514
sharty gem potential

>>531047010
How do you know who is making games and who isn't? I post about games and my projects and I also post about other shit, I'm no elitist and I think elitism fucking stinks.

>>531047010
I was one of the homebrew-haters in 5e because everyone's homebrew is shit.
As much as I hate many of the design decisions WOTC made it really shows that they knew what they were doing better than the riff raff in /tg/. They'd always fall into a problem such as
>you can already do this, just reflavor existing ability
>this is vague and abusable
>this specific wording would allow it to be heavily abused
>this would be overpowered with multiclassing
>this is a superior version of an existing option
>there is no reason to ever take this
>your magic item rarity makes no sense
>this does not follow the conventional format
but then I never make homebrew myself. Whenever I try to make homebrew I immediately notice the issues it presents and go back on it. Unlike WOTC who push new broken and stupid content anyway and sometimes occasionally release good additions.

I can only say that it's harder to mod a game in a way that meets the quality of the original work, than it is to just make your own damn game.
oh yeah and nodevs should explode

>>531047010
Nodevs are fairly easy to detect and relatively harmless. The "two sides" isn't nodevs vs yesdevs. It's more like:
>Red goats vs green goats
>Hobbycopers vs jobbys
>Hugbox vs crab
>NGMIs vs GMIs

I keep saying we should really do a /pgdg/ split, maybe on /g/.

>>531047818
You already have a /g/ split, there's no need for a second one.

am i doing it right

>>531048040
No one at gedg has a game.

I'm probably the first true solodev. No help, no youtubers, no feedback. In fact, you're all teaming up to hate me, so that means you can't be solodevs. Only I am.

>>531048687
I'm a solodev. Also I fucking hate AI and will never ever even try it.

>>531048687
alright, post your game
*crickets*

>hits compile
>oh yeah, time to post to /agdg/ whether it works or not
>I bet everyone's itching to know what whether it works.
>repeat
Why are you like this boccher?

I find /vg/ much better board than the pedo-filled tranny-infiltrated /pol/-like board /g/.

>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3863130/Galduen_of_the_void/
Next stop flop station

>>531043250
and becomes much more successful because of it

>>531048503
How do you know? Unless you're there and doesn't have a game.

>>531048043
I have no idea what this is.

>>531048843
The trailer's music cuts off at ~21sec........

>>531047818
>look it up
>no pgdg

>>531048993
You just know.

>>531048843
It's ESL kino. If azure was here xhe would call you a crab.

>>531048843
That is some nicely put together Steam page.

>>531049226
With that excepted >>531049019
D-Do you guys not watch the videos you make before uploading them to places

>>531048843
capitalize the V. 'Galduen of the Void' looks better.

>>531048843
the trailer music stops like 20 seconds in

>gaydot is afraid to even tell you what 3rd party licenses the engine uses or how to comply with them
lol

lmao

use gaydot, get sued for infringement

>>531049709
Have you looked at the source code? They don't so much implement features as they do import them from the first random library they find that already has them implemented. It's dependency spaghetti.

>>531049709
This is the standard practice. Developers are not your personal lawyers.

>>531049019
>>531049285
>>531049586
Fuck, correcting thank anon

>>531049426
Not a bad idea

>>531049980
No engine tells you to figure out the licenses of libraries they used yourself, retard-kun. Unity and Unreal literally just put a copyright text file directly in your build directory for you.

Castlevania.

This hobby is dumb.

>>531049709
who cares

The Legend of Zelda.
Gold Cartridge.

Final Fantasy.
Metal Gear.
Blaster Master.
Maniac Mansion.
Myst.
Sim City.
Act Raiser.
Zork.
King's Quest.
Quest for Glory.
Kid Icarus.
Dragon Quest.
Populous.
Rygar.
Contra.
Pokemon.
Sonic: The Hedgehog.
The Super Mario Brothers.
Metroid.

>>531049709
$0.02 has been deposited into your account.

>>531050580
I'm talking about software in general dumbass. That's why you have tools generate SBOM.

Minecraft.
Terraria.
Hollow Knight.
Shovel Knight.
The Long Dark.
Doom.
Quake.
Daggerfall.
Morrowind.
Baldur's Gate 1&2.
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
Wasteland 3.
Baldur's Gate 3.

And now me.

>>531050927
hey that's a meme reserved for posts companies are willing to pay for.
zero companies are threatened by godot to pay that much for propaganda posts.

A crazy thought I recently had: is decoupling actually good? If systems invoke one another directly control flow is way clearer. Indirection makes it harder to reason about what's happening.

I have played all of those games, and I'm an artist. If anyone wants to work with me, just tell me a little about your game (scope, genre, engine, timeline, etc)

Let's do this.

>>531051187
It's good when used adequately. Overengineering is a thing.

>>531051181
$0.04 has been deposited into your account.
- Unity

Yes, Unreal would never go after both godot and steam, no way, just take your 0.05$ and shut up already.

>>531051181
Unity feels like the closest thing to what you described.

Stop memeing, and start making progress.

Let's do it. That's a challenge >>531051326
>>531051181

>>531051398
there's only one confirmed

need a sound designer for my game

>>531051583
I'm mostly a visual artist but I've done some work on sound design

>>531051583
just use your mouth

any good podcasts or playlists to listen to while devving?

>>531051669
do you work with middleware software? like WWISE or FMOD? whats your stance on it?

>>531051764
Alright, well that's really cool that you're using WWISE or FMOD, but honestly I'm just not willing to work with either of those.
Best of luck though.

>>531051849
I'm just asking because I don't know whats the industry standards are today

>>531051884
Like I said, I'm sorry but I'm just not interested.
Seriously though: Good luck.

>>531051937
I never asked you for anything

>>531052020
Listen, there's no easy way to say this, I'm just not willing to work with you given your use of WWISE/FMOD.
No offense, and really, Good Luck.

>>531051134
>And now me.
a nodev

First, maybe try a bit of souldevving before gamedevving, you guys are truly evil.

heh heh heh mmmm toymakers yes yes

Need that
>environment artist
>sound designer
>3D modeler

I'm a programmer, so 4 people to make a game

Watching it all happen, over and over... and yet I never stop it. How come? Is my destiny to just... keep watching it happen? I never tried to prevent it anyway.

>>531052398
have you considered asking if there is an artist here...? in /agdg/...?

>>531052398
most people here are also programmers

>>531052457
one day you'll stop it, but not by choice.

My game isn't art, it's candy for the brain.

>>531052520
I'm looking on discord, but will people work for free initially and only get paid after the release? that is the question

>>531052631
ohhhhhh heh heh

why not ask in here? Maybe there is an artist who you can work with

>>531051545
>they all stopped yapping back when i brought this out
is the propaganda team all in a boardroom brainstorming right now?

what is the goal of life? to reproduce? Let's say you reproduced and then what? You're getting old and you can't reproduce no more.

That would make a good game, a game about reproducing

Maybe it's me who's evil. I've posted like 6 inflammatory messages in the last 2 hours.

>>531052774
see >>531051524

Memes aside, what's the best way to make art for a game?
Not interested in discord, sorry, too much shenanigans and hierarchy bullshit

>>531052631
>work for free
I'd put in 10 hours(total) for free if the project aligns with my values. after that I think you'd be able to secure publisher funding and employ me.

>>531052774
What does that picture mean?

>>531052934
Google... hold on do you have the tab open? Google "Tokyo Jungle", that's T-O-K-Y-O (like the city) J-U-N-G-L-E (like the place with trees).
Got it?

>>531052934
>what is the goal of life
To create
Whether it's creating another life, or creating a game
To leave your mark on the world, so that you remain even after you pass on to the next life

>>531052934
that's not the goal, that's just a trap to keep you from achieving your true potential.

>>531052934
the biological urge to reproduce genetics transforms into the intellectual urge to reproduce memetics
your bloodline could be dead in a generation or two if you arent a ghengis khan tier cum franchise, an idea can live forever.

>>531052987
Best in what way?

>>531052934
There is no "goal" and nobody understands. You should immediately distrust to the point of villainy anyhow who claims special insight. Unless they're dead they have exact;y as much understanding as you do: None.

Do you go an do something like marathon sessions to binge and consume the most material you can in 3-4 days to get newer ideas?

I've been like 3-4 days non stop playing Visual Novels and card and porn games from itch.io.

>>531053476
No. I feel guilt if I'm not actively finishing my game.

>commission some lewd art
>make a mediocre rpgmaker game
>make 10k per month
It's that easy

>>531053013
steam forces every product price to end in .99 but every wallet credit end in .00
the image name references office space which itself references superman 3 in which hackers steal fractions of a cent from a massive amount of transactions so no one notices the heist.

similarly in this instance my assumption is that they do this to accumulate a reserve of in-flux money that they profit from via bank interest. (the same reason for their developer monthly payout scheme and $100 threshold)

>>531052934
The nihilists discovered that life has no inherent meaning or logic in the universe.

A star could have exploded before humans existed and then wipe out our planet life, killing all humans and living beings, and then everything we have made so far would have ended up for no particular reason.

But at the same time, humans need a psychological answer to the chaos of nature, so we invented religion and spirituality as a way to try to cope and answer what essentially boils down to just myths we invented thousands of years ago.

Obviously the answer now is to be a positive nihilist over a religious or atheist fag.
I still think the goal is life is to live without regrets and be happy and archieve your own personal goals.

>>531053648
You will burn out if you're 100% hardcore deving.
Sometimes your brain need to rest a bit for a few days of vacation of not deving.
The good news is that you can have fun while still grinding gamedev skills.

why doesnt cris ever get burnout from not devving tho

>>531053712
>need money to commission art
>need commissioned art to make money
Rigged game.

no, i cant work on my game! it is sunday!
also tomorrow another work week so no jobby for me until saturday

>>531053924
I have gotten at least 3 massive burn outs so far.

One in 2009, another in 2015 and another in 2023.

>>531053838
>You will burn out if you're 100% hardcore deving.
I can't burn out, I just don't for some reason. maybe my body is set to only use 70% of my full power.

The actual true and honest desired endgoal of all realdevs is having an audience big and loyal enough that they'll care about anything you put out and 80% of your dev time isn't spent groveling to the feet of youtubers and festival hosts.

I was deving for whole day yesterday, today I feel like not deving for a week or 2

>>531052521
also nodevs with nogames and a penchant for homosexual activities

>>531054147
1000 trve fans who buy $100 worth of games and merch every year.

>>531054147
unless you're actually happy making the same thing over and over again with minor variations i feel like this goal is either impossible or mental purgatory

>>531054390
Ideally as my audience grew I'd have enough money to hire other devs to make "the same thing over and over" for me as I directed them and worked on new projects myself to broaden my audience even more.

>scroll through game screenshots
>see an ability unlock screen with 3 choices, one is the "cursed" option
Cool, you didn't care about game design, so I don't care about game purchase.

>>531053746
So you can't set a custom price to your game, like $0.50?
This is pretty jewish by the way

>>531054004
I have faith in you cris, i genuinely hope you release a game and become a billionaire. You're kinder and more helpful than 95% of schizos here

i give up, i cant do this

>>531054683
What does that mean? Do you mean cursed in the sense that it provides a bigger boost but also has some drawback?

>>531054894
Look at picrel and strive to prove him wrong.

>>531054894
This is not something concerned ape would ever utter. Be better!
If yanderedev can dev for decades an utter trashfire you can dev for a couple more months

>>531054821
I'm starting to think I can make it.
I think I can see the destination at the horizon.
I have a nice framework to make Kaliina be an actual 2-4 hours game, and I just need to practice 2D and 3D to imiate High quality pixiv masters like RELLA.

So I need to spent a month just doing 3D anime HD to have a style that functions with my pixel art style.

And I need also another month to practice making melodies in every combination of 3 notes, so my brain actually develops the intuition to make good melodies like uematsu.
And another practice session to learn production remixing and dubstep techniques in FLStudio.

Will take me 2-3 months of practice, but I honestly see me reaching the point where I can make something as good as SOTN.

>>531055242
i lose faith in myself and my ideas and my skills every minute and it takes hours if not days or weeks for the motivation comes back

test

>play black myth wukong
>every single new enemy type you kill unlocks a bestiary entry with a traditionally painted picture and instead of just generic lore it has a poetic story with a strong moral or just an entertaining anecdote
How the fuck are the chinese so soulful

quick rundown:
bundev: pretends to be a rabbit
pogosneed: posts frogs
pogosneed: made a game about a rabbit
froggy green: pretends to be a frog
marmanus: pretends to be an anime girl
PATdev: made a game about frogs (also about fairies)
frufi: pretends to be a fairy
horbror: is a fairy
cristobal: pretends to be a cat
cattowerdev: made a game about cats
azurdev: made a game about anime catgirls
Tomodev: pretends to be a woman
azurdev: is a woman
pomaodev: made a game about a fat inhuman creature
marmanus: is a fat inhuman creature
marmanus: likes cheese pizza
kannadev: likes cheese pizza

>>531055258
You made good progress with your 3d recently. I would suggest making a simple castlevania-like with it asap.

>>531055760
forgot me
everyone always forgets me

>>531055685
that bestiary would cost 300k to develop

>>531055258
>I think I can see the destination at the horizon.
I swear if you dissapoint us again and start making a game where you anthropomorphic tissue boxes or something like that again...
I believe in you though.

>>531055760
i guess im not topical enough to be mentioned here anymore...

>>531055956
but he needs to make pantsu destroyer 2

>>531055818
The furtive pygmy...

>>531056019
mongol, I thought you died from shame

>>531055902
How do you know that?
This is just one of almost a hundred of these stories they made for all their enemies. Tell me it doesn't ooze more soul than any game from here

Hills and rivers, nature's way,
Kindness grows like grass and wood.
Plants may fade, then bloom in May,
All shall still stand where they stood.

Once upon a time, a young wolf followed a grey elder wolf to learn the art of hunting. Despite his cleverness and diligence, the young wolf struggled to catch any prey. One day, the pale elder commanded him to find food alone or face hunger. Then the young wolf, hiding in the shadows of the mountains, finally managed to catch a rabbit. However, instead of eating it alive, he gently licked the rabbit's wounds, as if to heal them.

The rabbit took the chance and fled into a pond, struggling to swim to safety, but the young wolf in pursuit forced it back into the water. Just as the rabbit was about to drown, the young wolf rescued it, softly nudging its head and helping it breathe. The rabbit woke up conscious but bewildered. Suddenly, the distant howl of the grey elder startled both of them. In his panic, the young wolf accidentally crushed the rabbit under his paw.

Heartbroken, the young wolf wept bitterly. As the elder approached and inquired, it became clear: the young wolf couldn't bring himself to kill the rabbit, so he repeatedly spared its life. Yet, he also feared his own hunger, and that's why he refused to let go. Acknowledged, the grey elder then advised, "Your false kindness brought misery. Instead of hesitation, both of you would have been better off with a swift end."

>>531056305
This fable is literally my friend's last relationship

>>531055760
marmo: pretends to be a 15 year old fictional pink haired girl
I'm just like him

my game doesnt even have a spiteful and evil nickname, though that could also be because its perfect
why are you currently typing "whats your game", jesus christ im not a dumb fish, you need to put a worm on your hook if you want me to bite the bait

my next game is going to be called cyberkrunc 1984 don't steal it please

>>531056560
only the most evil devs here got mocknames for their games. If you didn't get one then that means you are probably a better person than most of us
t. the guy who handed out the majority of the mocknames

>>531056653
1985*, 1984 was taken..... by me

>>531056723
Two different games can have the same name on Steam. Example:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/281860/RefleX/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/745740/Reflex/

>>531056560
maybe you got one and just don't know about it because it was too twisted

You might want to add an EULA before stop killing games goes through if you are using a third party for servers.

>>531056305
>How do you know that?
I just guessed based on 150+ high skill level paintings, 150+ stories. several full time artists/writers? lets say 1 entry was finished per day, 6 months for 2-3 employees at AAA level?
you could do it cheaper in china I suppose though.

>>531056923
>goes through
Doubt it.

>>531057016
It might in the EU at least, since it did get governmental support there.

>>531056857
why did gabe not let me use Clair Obscure :Expedition 69 though?

>>531057404
Probably trademarked.

im trademarking agdg

>>531058231
welp, it was good run folks
guess it is time to delete my game and get a real job

why doesnt someone just trademark the concept of patents
then whenever someone gets their 2% royalties, you get 2% of that too
ah what the hell why am i giving such a business idea away for FREE!?

>>531058231
You're gonna have to fight the Albuquerque Game Developers Guild (AGDG) for that.

Bro, I have 3 ideas that don't exist (because I've already looked for them) that would be revolutionary.
An editor to generate MIDI CC signals and velocity that is easily configurable.
A tool to do CAD-style slices but in 10 angles, to create anime girl models.
A preset generator for Zynaddsub that literally lets you copy a spectrogram with your mouse.


Literally 3 ideas I would pay money for if they existed

>>531058412
that's taxes, the government does it and it's the only reason patents and IP as a whole exists

I think I need to learn to draw class diagram.
I always code something, then throw in some new knowledges, and then ended up not knowing what I'm doing anymore.
Now I'm lost track of how my codes work, and how to add new things.

Oh well, time to redo everything.

business idea: buy steam and just edit your wishlist count to be 10x what it is so it appears on popular upcoming games

>>531058768
Elon Musk would do this and then the top listed would all be games where you play as Nazis

>>531048843
IMO gameplay trailer should be before the story trailer. I've never cared about the story/lore of a game until the gameplay hooks me.

do you have PASSION for making your game?
does it translate to working on it for most of your free time? or do you have to force yourself to work on it? if it's the latter, do you think that says anything about your game?

>>531059319
Yeah.
Yeah. Also yeah.
That it will be awesome.

>>531059319
i am here BEGGING chatgpt to output something that does not require a day worth of debugging, a third of the bottle of gin gone already in the process. What do you think?

My game will be awesome

>>531059319
I've done many 15 hour stints, I've done many 5 minute tweaks and called it a day. I think I have honeymoon periods here and there depending on what part of the game I'm working on. I am not passionate about making UI in unity.

>>531056560
Ballsacktear Cattle
Trannic Bore!!!
The Pissurn Coward
Deluded Cumbrain
Harm-a-fag
KinkyShame
Shangchi Bald
Hyomo Hyomo Lice
Shartdow Slacker
Midshoe-in of the Groid
Eww the Fartysmell Dog
The Rot Brain: Trannydano
Assholecum Bulimia
Pisstery of the Trannign
Butt Lawn
Shit-a-Hole
Fucksmear Maldstrom
Shit ways to Felon
He Who Bitches
Sillycum Farts
Fappershove-in (formerly Longspearshove-in)
Rage Shover Asshacker
Gay Faggay Poop
Dumpster Gayers Inwhoreporated
Siltyshart and Bombfart
Faggets for Snail
Boring Hell Gayme DX
Gay Queer HateQueefer
Gayrney Schizo
Gays Coomer
Lotion in the Bald Guy
Halibut Fartcoomer
Schizopest
Suckit Whorohole
Whorno: Hoe Prison
Blunder of Poo
Nodickrules
Cooming in Hoe
Nignog: Shitty of Faggots
Shart of Anal 3D
Dick Shove
Tranny the Philopedosopher
Homodicky
Clitraw Shlickdom
Hitlerfist Hellcumpiss
tranimal-fart
Sh33t-Cum 2008
Don Cumshitto
Trannify
Bombfart Blunder
Homopissy-Handsondick Prototype
Skeeter
Faj
Rapey Cunts: Pre-scissoring is Hoeshit
Cocku
/CGDG/ cummed together faggea
Deep Fartsniffs
Shitrocco Fags
cunt mower lamo 4
Faggy-man 3D
KINK KINK WHORES
Wetterpiss
Gaybull Tired 2
Whorb 3d Pedotype
Spic Whore 2

so have any adgd devs actually made it?

>>531056923
the whole point of SKG is proving in court that EULAs (you will own nothing, you are RENTING a revokable LICENSE etc.) are legally null and void

>>531060583
Future me has

>>531060583
a few sure. https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/

>take out a massive loan
>hire 8-10 people to help you make the game of your dreams
>hopefully recoup losses
>are now on the map and can probably secure real funding for your next project
>if it fails, declare bankruptcy
what's the flaw?

>>531060828
I heard flynight was never a poster here

>>531061472
you can make games without money faggot

I am the most hated and persecuted dev here. Why? For the simple crime of daring to make a game.

>>531061489
hmm, he did join a demo day(but removed it later). flyknight and marmoreal also share the same 3d artist, squareanon

>>531061472
>what's the flaw?
Getting that massive loan without any credentials. We are talking seven or eight figures here. People whore themselves out to VC for money like that and still most that try fail to secure that sweet VC funding.

>>531061937
nah, if you wanna make a game with 8-10 people you can probably make do with 6 figures, I think. especially if you look for people fresh out of college.

>it's a sunday
>everyone is missing (like usual)
normalfag shitposter general

>>531060583
My boy Osur made it with 300 review

>>531062476
I'm here

>>531062531
>300
>making it

Besides Itch, Newgrounds and Steam, what are other good websites to host your games?
Both downloadable and HTML formats.
Does having a page on Neocities for your games sounds like a good idea?

>>531063095
itch and steam, that's it. people who would buy your game elsewhere would likely still have stumbled upon it on itch or steam.

>>531062090
With 8-10 people fresh out of college you can go in circles for an indeterminate amount of time, producing no game at all or a very shit one.
I mean, you are not entirely wrong: I have seen studious running on this kind of budget, contracting thirdies for 5 USD/hour. What you need is the management skill to tie it all together, and presumably do the important things yourself. I encourage you to give it a shot if you feel you have what it takes.

Gaben lost the wishlist data and is too embarrassed to admit it

>>531061489
flyknight dev is also sorceress dev, long time demo day submitter

>>531063331
>What you need is the management skill to tie it all together
yea I suppose that could be a huge point of failure, not having done it before. ideally you'd have to exactly know and tell people what exactly they should be working on right now. down to the hierarchy of systems implementations, also your programmer could probably give you some feedback on that.

>>531063172
I want my current games to be freely available.
I also mean in case either of those two sites have some policies that could limit my game.

Honestly I think I must have depression or something because for a while now I've been feeling like there's nothing that excites me at all in my life, only one thing, which is the idea of making and finishing my game. I feel kinda ashamed and embarassed to say this, but I don't even like playing games as much as I used to. It feels weird for someone to make games but not even like playing them too much. But it isn't just games, I've felt this way about everything in these years. And yeah I just wanted to vent that's all.

>>531064964
it would only be depression if not even making a game would motivate you

>>531064964
It's normal. Your body craves meaning as an adult. Making a game is meaningful for cash rewards, popularity rewards, and just the act of crafting something is rewarding. Beating very simplistic games made for children is not rewarding to an adult. I think adults gravitate more towards games that allow actual creativity or real time thinking. Games like Minecraft, Stardew Valley, or a game like Helldivers II. Whereas COD campaigns would put me to sleep faster than a sleeping pill.

>>531064964
>I feel kinda ashamed and embarassed to say this, but I don't even like playing games as much as I used to
I think it happens to all of us. would be odd if bing bing wahoo really kept you as excited for 20 years.

>>531064964
is this a nodevver speaking

>>531065403
It's cris

I'm starting to hate the /weg/ that tries to pretend they're writing a real anime, instead of being just a cheap fap material.
It's like, man, I came here to fap, don't blue ball me with some relationship crap.
I don't want either the anime crap of like let's fuck after 2 minutes.
but man, 30-50 minutes of anime gay drama, is too much.

why is it that from a consumer perspective (subjective, non-rational) simplicity is beautiful and pleasant. because you just perceive.
yet from a producer perspective (abstract, rational) simplicity is boring?
is it because the consumer doesn't "measure" in abstract concepts? like, they just "feel it"?
e.g. in music you can play a simple c major chord, which is a pretty simple interval. in your head you see the notes "c - e - g" in very simple intervals of thirds. you see something very basic. it feels like a failure in creativity. like, you'd believe "warrior hits orc" is boring, because the abstract concept behind it is very simple and doesn't require any creative combinations.
but the customer does not think like that. they get immersed just in the experience, not in the abstract concepts. also they have no goal of creating so they don't see any challenge in "trying to be creative". they prefer simplicity over complexity, because their goal is vastly different from that of a creator, their goal is just to enjoy the game and having an easy time grasping the concepts etc.

>guys I think I'm depressed!!! :((((
>ugh guys the people who make porn don't make good enough porn ugh
kill yourself

how much of a game I need to lock in a publisher?

>>531065149
>>531065182
I guess. I suppose it is a motivator because of the feeling of meaning it gives.
>>531065394
true
>>531065403
I'm working on something but it's in a very basic stage.

Jobbydevs....

>>531065769
WegCHADS become narcissistic if they get f95 clout and start writing "serious" (slop) stuff thinking that's what the people want.

i figured out the secret to yesdev. just fucking calm down with your expectations and goals and start to think small.
what good does a goal when you can't even reach it? constantly pretending some day you can.
maybe accept that you can't and start to manage your expectations.
maybe just start to walk instead of trying to teleport.

>>531065927
You're right. Porn/fapping in general is absolutely depression-inducing yet it's never really mentioned. It's a struggle though, it's not that easy to get detached from it.

>>531065883
because for a non artist, he's blind to the technique.

So a simpler work usually has advantages like being easier to remember and grasp.

A more complex work while is great for the other artists and they enjoy complexity, it risk being too gaudy and noisy compared to the simpler work.

However the real geniuses and masters tend to make works that seem simple and amateurish, while still being extremelly technical and complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4

Some of bach fugues are extremelly, and I mean, they're something that took me 8 years to just understand the technique.
And yet, they're so simple that a non musician can understand and enjoy them.


>>531066156
My issue is that they forget they are writing porn.

I really enjoy stories in my hentai, but sometimes too much drama is missing the point you want to see ass and tits and penis in vagoo and ass.

Sometimes brevity is the soul of wit.

>>531065927
Another retarded puritan negro that hasn't admired urushihara masterpieces of tits and ass and vagoo and penis in ass and vagoo.

Kill yourself plebian.

i can just tell that a huge youtube is recording a video of my game right now, it has said current players: 1 for an hour and a half now...

>>531066248
how do i stop feeling like i need to meet others expectations? I was the gifted kid, but my game is destined to flop

>>531066491
by realizing you can't. there's people who can't all their life, yet they still believe under the perfect circumstances and with enough willpower and motivation they will. yet 30 years later they still don't. they assume something happening in the future to them that will never happen.
it's the inability to admit your limitations, because you'd rather pretend that the possibility exists rather than just adjusting to the current true reality.

What if you launch your game and to your surprise it gets zero attention and 3 steam reviews after a week?

>>531066862
Wow, that's 1 more than I expect! My game is shit.

Listen! Guys! AI voice acting was used in my game because of a budget issue! If I had a lot of money I would've hired real actors! Why can you not understand this???!!!???!!!!!!

I am becoming a snob in my hentai needs.

99% of /v/ eroges aren't good enough, neither the art is great, the art direction is bad, the character designs aren't hot enough, the drawing style is bad, the animation is bad, the music is bad, the writing is bad.

I really need /v/idya eroges that are masterpieces, not just cheap fapping material.

I am not happy with porn games being just garbage cheap fap material.
I want good shit.

>>531066961
find god

>>531066954
Okay so when your game sells well you'll replace the voice acting with real VAs...
..right?

>>531066862
who are you talking to?

>>531065769
find god
>>531059698
get good

Gamblingslop = porn games

>>531067104
If if makes enough money yes!!! Otherwise it might only be a portion of it.

anyone else regret not making a vampire survivors clone a week after it popped off? i literally made a prototype but thought that copying is cringe now I lost my job and struggle to even get second interviews...

>>531067269
I wouldn't worry so much about it anon.
Fads happen all the time.
Just wait for the next one and hop on early.

>>531067269
i cannot even finish a game, so marketing, hitting trends and all that stuff is not my real problem right now. you could hand me a billion dollar idea and i couldn't finish it.
it's like handing a million dollar painting idea to someone who can't even draw stick figures.

I'm running out of "it is what it is"

Pic rel is the only thing that keeps me going.

>>531047589
>How do you know who is making games and who isn't?
It's simple.
Discord makes games. Thread doesn't.

>>531065883
You turn into a maker _because_ you deem the existing material "too simple."
So the feeling is only natural.
I think the key is to realize that both are not really exclusive. A complex progression can lead all the way up to a simple C Major. Or the other way around. You can make something "complex" that even the simple mind will appreciate. Or make something simple that even the complex mind can appreciate: Like Bartók’s educational Violin pieces.
In game design, I think MtG’s "New World Order" design approach was in the end very inspired (even though they never really implemented it) and would be needed these days more than ever. The realization that the base game design is already incredibly fun and balanced and elegant, and won’t ever need dozens of minigames tacked on to it. Unfortunately, for example, the main MtG audience these days is too "clever" for its own good, all these (adult) people CRAVE complexity, they want their deck to be like a little computer program, like a little Factorio base, shitting out tokens and counters and everything, they cannot see the beauty in the simplicity of playing a vanilla 4/4.
Yet even in very basic MtG decks, choosing a card to play on turn 3, between two candidate cards in hand, can be a more difficult task than can be fully solved by a human brain in a meaningful time frame. Even if those two cards are extremely simple. You play with heuristics and tuning these heuristics to be ever a little bit better can be extremely fun.
tl;dr something can appear simple from one but be complex from a different perspective

What's really nuts is there are hundreds of youtubers that could have the privilege of being THE youtuber that made my game go platinum.

Nope, instead MORE GACHA! YIPEEE! I MADE SOME CRIMINAL MORE MONEY! NOT SOME HARDWORKING INDIE DEV! IM EVIL! IM THE DEVIL!

>>531067269
retard

>>531067540
based alchemist
hope I will build some connections with this futile hobby

>>531067540
Nice. I love carl jung.

>>531067570
I make games and I sure as hell am not circle jerking in some irrelevant discord channels.

>>531067908
okay

>>531066862
I would accuse Steam of foul play or I got completely overshadowed by a different game.

>>531067570
I'm a thread-only and I make games

My game is almost complete. Just one more story chapter, and the endings, and I'm done.

>>531068021
Discord is insufferable centralized kike-trash.

>>531060583
I'm making it right now

'cord is here

>>531066961
sorry that you haven't found my game yet

My game won't progress humanity nothin' but it will be progressing my damned bank account, ain't that beautiful?

>>531067269
No, but recently have come to regret hopping from my 'friendslop' game I was making 8 years ago.

>>531068191
Ok let's use Matrix

you cannot decide to make a game, you either just do it or you don't. your conscious brain doesn't make any decisions, it just remembers decisions. at best you can persuade your brain into doing something, but your brain knows when you try to trick yourself.

>>531067540
What does doing my work "truly and conscientiously" mean?

>>531068465
It means stop slacking off you little faggot

The interesting thing about this general is the treatment and responses you get to your geniune (or ingeniune) posts is the difference between attaching a bocchi or not. We bocchi sisters are truly the most oppressed.

>>531068191
>>531068438
IRC QuakeNet or bust

>>531068460
my brain tricked me into making a game. I begrudgingly oblige

>>531068602
I get plenty of oppression without posting any gay ass bocchis

Am I stupid if I really don't enjoy programming at all? On one hand I feel like it is like a puzzle, which probably should be fun to the right type of person, but when I try to do it I just feel like its a huge slog.
Am I just stupid and that's why brain doesn't enjoy solving programming problems?

>>531068602
Best part of this thread is making driveby posts about my game flopping and not deserving it, then seeing all the crabs swarm in and say I did.
Yeah, I did. My game did. I don't have a game lol. How could it have flopped? Just the concept of blood in the water makes /agdg/ go wild.

>>531067671
add co-op so they can play it with friends and then even if it's shit they'll have fun and make it go viral.

>>531068701
Guess it’s not your kind of puzzle.
Though how long have you been programming and on what kind of tech? Maybe you should try some different paradigms and stacks, if you haven’t seen a lot.

>>531068732
Those same crabs stay real quiet when Tower of Kalemonvo's failure gets brought up. really curious

>>531068701
how long have you been at it? I'm retarded but enjoy programing. I'm making yandere-like stuff, it just works though(not happening in update)

>>531068701
I don't see programming as puzzle solving, it's more like building/development just like everything else. It also involves as much problem solving as drawing art or composing music. If you're using a high level engine like godot or unity. You put down some functions, structs/classes, you instance them and put in a loop and run it. It's building.

>>531068602
>do the thing that is considered annoying and forbidden by the rules of the website
>the response is negative
who but Nostradamus himself would have foreseen such outcome

>>531069079
Since when is this a failure?

>>531069465
peripeteia made 100 times more than that

Threadly reminder that there doesn't exist any public information of how well Tower of Niggermonvo actually sold. Osur completely refuses to give any concrete details because of "muh contract" (how convenient) while the analytics sites are completely unreliable due to discord cultists completely messing up the review ratio for the first few weeks. The game could have sold less than 1000 copies for all we know.
Osur had everything set up in his favour, and the game was his to lose, and he lost it. Grow up and get over it.

>>531069465
$117k on a project that took several years isn't that great desu

>>531069829
it's less than 117k
and more specifically it's 6 years

>>531069829
>>531069952
And you haven't made even a fraction of that.

Added a simple running animation :)

>>531069465
he has a publisher. but also don't think it's a failure.

'cord is here

>>531070073
lets gooo some realdev shit, looks good desu

>>531070035
I mean I make nearly that every year from my actual job. But I suppose you're right.

>>531062696
Sales to review is 30 so at least 9000 copies. At 15$ it’s 10k dollars which is enough for life in shithole he lives at

>>531070224
>nearly that every year
lmao

>>531070276
A significant part of those are negative or discord reviews
>>531070136
huge chunk goes to publisher (hasn't even gotten all his money back yet)
and yeah, even a full 117k in 6 years is not good

>>531069465
>>531070136
>>531070276
did you account for gaben's cut and taxes and refunds and sales?

>>531070543
The site tries to do that (which is why it shows a rather large potential range behind the number)

>>531070384
I'm not a part of this drama btw but I heard that his publisher paid him money anyway. He wasn't going to recieve any money from the game's earnings until it exceeded a certain amount, and it hasn't yet (so in effect, his publisher lost)

if i had a big budget i'd hire people interested in making a good game with similar gaming preferences to mine, not people who are good at art or programming.
i'd still make solodev art scope slop, yet with multiple brains to come up with cool gameplay ideas.

a 6 year game coming out is a miracle. the publisher must have almost written off the idea they would ever recoup the investment.

>>531070384
> Games with scores around 70% positive reviews might see a ratio closer to 60

osur won because he got the game of his dreams made and even collected some money upfront
his publisher lost money

>>531070676
good approach

Scamlemonvo

/agdg/ seriously thinks it's okay that 90% of a game's success hinges on it being talked about by e-celebs and not it's actual quality or value.

>>531070785
actually I believe the publisher only invested like 30k or so? no?

>>531070916
Nobody thinks thats okay.
But what are you going to do about it?
It's not my fault massive faggots like Asmongold control the market.

Imagine spending 6 years and thousands of dollars on a game only to end up with "Diablo 1 but worse". The publisher is probably forcing him to keep pushing out updates at gunpoint. Ain't no way he'd let him get away with all that money

>>531070916
no its not ok nor is it ok for steam to take that much from us but what you want us to do? establish the caliphate? we're just d-tier devs with no clout

>>531071063
>>531071124
You could at least not shut down any discussion about improving Steam as a platform. Even Steam users constantly complain about not being able to find games they enjoy simply through Steam Search/Discovery Queue, as it often shows you irrelevant games to your search input/tastes. Urging Valve to at least improve that is not THAT massive of an undertaking.

which (ex)aggydagger has the most youtube subscribers? lend us a hand bro.

>>531070916
>/agdg/ seriously thinks that 90% of a game's success hinges on it being talked about by e-celebs and not it's actual quality or value.
I fixed it for you. It's absurd that some of you guys actually think this is the case. It's the "every once in a while" case.

>>531071332
branno probably

>>531070916
Good game will never fail

Now that the dust has settled how is the progress on your video game coming along?

>>531071332
Marnix

>>531071457
It will never sell as good as highly marketed garbageous slop that every single e-celeb pushes.

>>531071462
It’s going well

>>531071462
pretty good

>>531071368
>It's absurd that some of you guys actually think this is the case. It's the "every once in a while" case.
It became so common that "flavour of the month" became an established term to describe games with very clear characteristics.

>>531070916
/agdg/ seriously thinks that 90% of a game's success hinges on things outside of the dev's control, and that's their excuse for making shitty boring unoriginal anime games

>>531071917
Refer to the following
>>531071534

>My Femboy Roommate
>1,300 comments

>>531072179
Why does that offend you?

>>531072179
uh thats obviously... uh... really high quality okay?

I had a good one

>>531069796
nukes have impact... literally no one but you wastes their time thinking about whatever it is you're on about

>>531072076
You realise the only thing that streamers and youtubers give a single shit about is views? If playing your game gets them views then they'll play it for free. It'll get views if it's interesting and fun and doesn't look like ass.

Stop acting as if these things are gatekept behind some unattainable standard or some exorbitant bribe. You're just making faggot excuses. If your game doesn't look good but plays well then you need a demo so people can find that out.

only da best cream rises to da top of dis platform, kiddo

Installing WWISE and going H.A.M

We had a good system but decided THIS is better, lol. Aw but the scammers got filtered by greenlight and they launched a fake campaign to ruin it for everyone.

>>531071457
only 400 games succeed each year out of thousands.
every piece of shit trash game that gets a success spot is spitting in the face of the hundreds of good games that did not.

>>531073114
It really is crazy how Steam basically admits that they only start promoting your game if it already has external traffic to it and yet retarded soys still see them as the "benevolent corpo friend that helps out the little guy".

>>531073150
Then they were not good games

Actually it makes total logical sense that steam is growing, and the number of games on steam is growing, but the number of successful games is staying the same.
Uh... that means... okay it doesn't mean valve is in 100% control of what sells and thus has the ability to keep it at a consistent number not to take sales away from AAAs, it means.... uhh... let me think.

>160GB Free on HDD
will my project make it bros?

marketing = trying to trick people to buy your bad product

>>531073150
If they succeeded then they were not shit, kiddo. Good games never fail, kiddo.

>>531073114
you can add "pay talent agency" to break that circular flowchart

>>531073325
Have you actually tried every one of them to say that so confidently?

>>531073389
prove you believe this by showing us all the good games you've bought

>>531073150
Ummm chud? stop pointing out that exactly 400 games make it every year, the system is not rigged and Epstein killed himself!!

>>531072762
relax cultist

>We should improve Steam somewhat.
>JUST MAKE A GOOD GAME BRO LOL.
>I AM VERY INTELLIGENT.

maybe valve shouldn't have opened up the floodgates to slop if they dont want people seeing the slop

>>531071457
>>531071917
>>531072872
>>531073325
>>531073389
paid valve shill. Your talking points never change

>>531073748
im just sick of seeing TRUTH NUKE TRVKE on every pointless ass generic post
we used to modify memes for context instead of copypasting the same one for everything making it instantly meaningless... go make a TRUTH PUKE or whatever for that junk

>>531074032
You don't understand bro! Steam Greenlight was just THAT much of a hassle, bro! Only having a $100 fee is clearly the better choice!

>>531074090
your jimmies seem to be rustled osur

>>531074084
Surely my best friend Valve would not use shills to dissuade dissent and prevent the public opinion turning against them... They're actually good and would never do that! ...right?

>takes random asset
>gives it good audio
>suddenly its a good game

https://youtu.be/9IXSYE6JVR8

just look how big of a difference good audio makes

>>531073873
>>531074032
it's not even about steam, there is maximum on the amount of games that pop each year because we've hit peak attention.

a no mercy like about raping yesdevs in a maid cafe with flexible systems and emergent gameplay

The attention economy was always gonna hit this point of total enshittification

>>531074237
what even is an osur, speak english you fuckin dweeb

Hello frens, I have a lot to do today. Big plans. It would be great if I could muster up the discipline to put in the time and implement the system I planned.

Have a productive day. I'll post progress later.

>>531074397
>peak attention is when only garbageous slop gets to the top by screaming the loudest
Grim my man...

I told you that we shouldn't have given the third world internet access

Fuck it. I'm making porn Age of Empires.

>>531074786
nah the grim part is that it fucks the economy in such a way that >>531073402 is probably going to become a requirement if it isnt already.

ITS HAPPENING

>>531074084
It's scarier so no one wants to admit it, but posts like that are very, very rarely a paid shills nowadays. The vast majority are now just the successfully brainwashed that do it for free, the "dividends" being paid off of the initial investment of paying shills.

>>531074858
It really ruined everything.
Now we're in free fall into the enshittification of every hobby which also turned everyone into a grifter and liar just to eek out some shekel coins.

>>531075237
Nigger you're literally saying exactly what I am saying. It doesn't matter what kind of shit you put out, so long as you can afford to shill it the loudest for even just a week, you're guaranteed success.

>>531075443
>poonity in big 25
ah hell nah

>>531075651
my PC can't handle Unreal

>>531074084
Paid shills do not exist, psyops do not exist, do not bing "dead internet theory", Epstein killed himself and Bin Laden did 9/11 not the Mossad.

The video gaming market is oversaturated.

>>531069465
>average playtime 10.2h
that's a big W

>>531075618
well it used to be there was a parity of power between devs are lepers because the most successful lepers did variety and needed like 1 fresh crowd pleaser game a week minimum to feed into the content machine. they couldn't really afford to hold themselves hostage like they can now.

>>531075894
And yet gemmers keep complaining about the opposite... How do you explain this?

>>531075894
Not porn games

im drawing a diagram for my game concept so that it will be easier for me to code it later

>>531075825
you better not be making a 2d or 2.5d game

>>531069829
>>531069952
So he's making above the average of a wageslave in his country.

Wow, that's an utter failure. I can't believe that. He has to endure the absolute sheer agony of making his own videogame when he could've just worked in a factory with a part-time gig job.

>>531076275
I'm making AA fps game

>>531074947
that sounds like a terrible idea
there's a reason most porn games are RPGs and VNs

>>531075843
psyops 100% do exist but they're probably not the things you think they are because the real psyops are funded by a bunch of out of touch suits and handed to dweebass midwits who think they're geniuses just because they won a military grant. they're mostly flops that do nothing and have no effect in the world.

sometimes i feel like the volodymyr zelenskyy of agdg

>>531076536
Yet almost the entire boomer generation is completely brainwashed, curious.

>>531076536
bro how the fuck do you have 0 social awareness? this is the second time an obviously sarcastic/ironic post went right over your head.

I almost released my WEG on my main account... phew what a retarded decision. I'll make a separate one under the same email haha... Or should I use a separate email? I mean they will have my personal info all the same so it's just for what account is added to the Steam Group page, right?

Kill the inner circle

>>531076795
i mean it's provable psyops are real because of all the flop ass psyops that started on boomers in the 60s and 70s that have been leaked or declassified.

but nah boomer brainwashing is just propaganda by the capitalist class. propaganda is the best and cheapest way to turn money into power (and power generates money so you can feedback loop it).

There has to be a reason why they all targeted me.

>>531076843
no i got you were being faceitious im just saying they dont matter. you're undermining your point bringing cringe ass psyops up.

>>531077198
You used AI voice acting in your game. Can't have that.

What would happen if it was 500 games instead of 400? Would steam collapse?

godot bros, i wanted custom types for my items but if i dont insatiate them like this i will get a gdscript reference, i am really suppose to create instances for every item type i want inside like this or am i doing this all wrong, im trying to make a citybuilder-like, idk any best practices

>>531077152
NTA, but if you want to call it "propaganda" instead of "psyops" to be technical and precise in language (which I support, actually), fine, Valve doesn't do "psyops," they do very successful "propaganda."

>>531077372
Probably not, but they'd make less money. The choice of 400 is probably some thing they arrived at as an optimal profit point.

>>531077504
your enums bro... ResourceTypes { PLANK, STEEL, COAL } ...

Dox and rape every single inner circle member with a chainsaw

>>531077789
i wanted to store the crafting recipe inside of the item resource class

>>531078274
Use an static member.

>>531074947
A brilliant idea. Sending your monks into a village to brainwash the women to be willing sex slaves? Wololovemelongtime!

>think about going back to my weg
>just today a mod got removed from his mod position and used an exploit to delete everything in the server including links to important tools and tutorials that are now lost media until someone reuploads
epic

WISHLISTS UPDATED!!!

>>531079086
Grats, you trolled me. You wasted just as much of my time as your own. Idiot.

>>531075843
>muh fair consumer practices
lol fuck this talking point. Valve platforms literally unplayable garbage and they had to be dragged to court before they allowed no question refunds. It used to be like pulling teeth to get a refund for that shit before they got sued.

Fuck this timeline
https://x.com/DannyLimanseta/status/1944415010836599003

>>531079812
read >>531048782

>>531079816
I can get better results by opening up an existing, superior godot project and copy-pasting the code

im so sick of seeing devlogs made by smiling well groomed guys in brightly lit clean rooms with the blinds open letting sunlight through with plants around them and they have wedding rings on their fingers

>>531080358
here's me working on my game!

>>531079816
imagine being scared of newgrounds shit.

you need a reality check faggot

>>531080432
This is the worst it’s ever going to be

>>531078757
from what??? what server? There's a /weg/server? Why would you ever join that?

>>531080583
it's actually the best it's ever going to be

>>531079816
Meh, it's all stuck in the browser and uses JS.

>>531080732
its a sharing discord server like https://3d-load.net/ but without the viruses and with blender tutorials on how to import stuff and python scripts
the fucking cunt discord mod deleted everything

>>531080583
What makes you think you can train both your human skills but also learn how to use AI?

If AI gets to a point where I don't need to do art or code, I keep winning, because I have also non AI skills to fix the AI output or have better understanding of how to get to what I have in mind.

Also, AI sloppers have no original ideas because they haven't trained their writing and design skills.

I am not afraid from a LOL derivative clone.
AI fags can't still make an original idea that isn't AAA game clone or retro game clone or popular game A mixed with popular game B.

>>531079812
>>531079987
based lolidev, keep posting!

>>531079816
Haha, it’s using assets that I am also using. https://smallscaleint.itch.io/
Since they are "available for Unity," the model probably did not even implement how the sprite sheets are displayed.
Who knows how the riveting "game play" is coded / where that code is being copied from. Doesn’t look very good that is for sure.

Do you think (free) AI voices are in couple of years at a level that they don't sound shit?
I'm working on a VN but sure as hell won't use a single cent on proper voice actors.

>>531081157
oh well, can't be so bad
it'd be worse if you had a dedicated 3d modeller with a certain style and they quit and you couldn't replicate the style
hang in there

Also, the real question AI fags have never tell me, is why should I buy their games they made in 48 hours?

Yes, you made a cool game, but why the fuck do you think I want to pay for AI slop?

ai can tell you the answer but not the question

>>531066961
>I really need /v/idya eroges that are masterpieces, not just cheap fapping material.
I can be the one to do it just need an audience that will donate thousands of dollars per month to me on Patreon to fund the development

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/epic-cplusplus-coding-standard-for-unreal-engine#racial,ethnic,andreligiousinclusiveness
Are you following the Unreal engine standard?

i would have failed no matter which year, because i have no game

>>531067540
How long is it supposed to take?

>>531080358
>and they have wedding rings on their fingers
You too huh.

>>531081518
what constitutes as an "ai slop" game
if the whole thing is ai-generated? or is it also ai slop if i used ai to generate a couple of textures/code/voices (pick one) whilst doing everything myself?

the best skill to have is to get excited about boring things

>>531079816
He made sprites move around and vaguely follow a target? Ai has been able to give you that code for 4 years now.

>>531081692
Guys we should blacklist this slave mentality bitch before he nukes this cancer of an industry

>>531067540
What skills do you bring to the table?

>>531081765
However long it takes for you to develop real practical skills.

>>531081494
i just hate loss of knowledge but it made me realize that discord tutorial content needs to be hoarded just in case

>>531082084
using AI to generate something.

I just not longer like AI art, because It looks the same and I'm tired of what AI produces.

Just like how I got tired of renpy /weg/ made in koikatsu and AI after playing like 30 in 3 days.

I'm just tired of the same generic style that both koikatsu and AI have.

>>531081692
>Do not assign a gender to something that doesn't have one
French bros... Non cest pa thisimo

>>531082417
If I never have to see your ai experiments again I will be happy. They still give me nightmares from time to time.

make a game with no health bar, but a pain bar

>>531082647
I like AI art.

I'm just tired of that shit, after like doing AI art and vibe coding.

>>531082465
>French
Theres lots of gendered languages, Russian, Spanish, German... Guess unreal is an English only zone.

>>531082614
>all in
If he went all-in then, how can he be going all-in on AI now
https://x.com/ercwl/status/1937310926652289353

>>531082417
well then there is no answer to your question because you have an unreasonable position to begin with. it's the same as "i will not buy a game if it uses paid assets in any way". i can understand it being a problem with the whole thing being ai-genned, but you're just a bitch.

whoa mama, WWISE IS FUCKED UP

grok will give me israeli game dev gf

is there even any market anymore for people who want to produce something alone? like do solodev markets even exist?

>>531079816
Oh my god, did he do an entire tutorial game in a weekend??!! How could anyone make beginner level game proto in a weekend!?
Seriously though, if you can't make something like that in a weekend without AI, you should quit this hobby

>>531082860
saar you stole my brahmin post my bastard

>>531082823
It's about quality.

I don't mind koikatsu or AI.
It's just tiresome to see another renpy VN that feels like a cheap product to make money in patreon that something I enjoyed playing.

AI fags care more about having a patreon than they do to make a good game.

Is the frutiger aero revitalist indie game movement real?

>>531082906
Buying something JUST BECAUSE it was made by a solodev would be a bit cringe, no?
There are solodev games that sell, yes.

>>531082731
Set in Paris. And the healthbar is a baguette. Fuck I'm a genius...

cris was always the most based poster here

goal: make money with game -> too high, get burnt out
goal: just do it for fun -> too small, get unmotivated

man isn't there another perspective on all of this?

>>531082736
Which is a good thing, actually!

cris was always the most based poster here

>>531083039
Not until my game releases, since I lived that era, unlike the zoomer posers.

bros im finally getting a lot of work done for my game instead of just writing ideas for it

cris was always the most based poster with no hair

>>531082291
>However long it takes for you to develop real practical skills.
Ok so it doesn't work

>>531083139
Do it to make your family proud

>>531083327
nice one anon hope the incessant self-doubt and bug fixing doesn't keep you from releasing something!

>>531083039
no because transparency still runs like dogshit

>>531080432
>>531081191
This is how your games look like, THOUGH
https://youtu.be/WEMaBqToH5c

Anon was right, WWISE is fucking shit, at least to a noob like me, I'm just gonna code everything in default unity audio system lol

>>531083697
>goy grinder
Mazel tov

>>531083760
If you dont need to use it, why do you use it?

it takes like 5-6 abandoned projects to crush your motivation to ever start a new one.
it's a bit like dating, if your first relationship doesn't work out you become bitter and jaded and it's almost impossible to feel innocent again.

>>531083327
Nice. Did you make a change or did you just randomly start getting stuff done?

>>531083697
>a game set in the coding prototype stage with placeholders should look like a polished product
No, pic related is how my finished games look like.

>>531083327
like what?

>>531083887
I saw results on youtube, people were using it, so I thought damn this will make my game sound good, but fuck it's a total clusterfuck of a interface, I don't know WHAT the fuck is going there

>>531084010
LMAO

somehow league of legends, if not played ranked, is my biggest yesdev fuel. just shutting my brain off and playing on auto mode. just getting in the flow zone. and after some matches i feel done anyways. and then i feel like deving. it's kinda weird cause everybody always talks so negatively about the game. but i guess it only works when you stick to unranked matches and play whatever champ you feel like, not minmaxing for anything.

>>531083968
I have probably 150+ abandoned projects. Prototypes really, but the earliest ones I didn't consider prototypes I was just making games. How long you were in the relationship would change how devastating the breakup is. I'm in an abusive game relationship right now but I can't leave since she is pregnant

>>531083372
It doesn't work for you. Not everyone is cut out for this jobby.

>>531079816
unless he provided an actual download link to the demo, it's just an animated video created to shill Grok

there are enemies walking ontop of the map for christ's sake

I gaurantee you the entire UI is fake and none of those are actual buttons

ya'll get rused way too easily

I do feel like I should learn pyqt to make non game apps instead of trying to force godot to be a tool to make non games.

>>531084279
this nigga addicted to league in 2025 lmao
so glad i ditched cumpetitive gayming a decade ago

>>531084738
competitive gaming is literally the same as single player just that the enemies aren't dumb ai's incapable of doing anything

>>531083013
so it's fine the art doesn't look too shit/the voice doesn't sound too bad?

>>531085335
I'm ok if you made something that is as good as SOTN.

look up the type of games AI fags make on renpy and you'll understand what I mean by low effort.

I'm getting something flavorful for my game, it costs 40 dollars so it's not to bad, but it should be a good addition.

>>531033774 (OP)
I haven't worked on my stuff in a few days.
I'm so tired

just spent 328 dollars in credits trying to get suno to output something good
lol
still need to buy real musicses too
youre all assholes lol, you tricked me

>>531085659
well i mean im not making a visual novel and im only using ai voice due to a financial issue outside of my control.

/agdg/ game to release this year?

>>531083013
NTA, I'm curious to see what level of slop we're talking about here. I'm playing with Claude code and while it's a great implementation tool, I wouldn't trust it to do shit on its own beyond the most basic design choice. Once it hits the point of complexity where every fix causes another bug it spins its wheels until you take its hand and slowly unfuck things together.

Unless you mean "write me a VN where the player gets a big tittied waifu," then sure it can do that and it will suck.

>>531085861
Nice try music bitch
10$ gets me 400-600 songs, you'd have to spend eons to waste 328 dollaroos

You know, it was more fun devving when I was the only one playing. I have a new idea, how about people pay me to make my game then never play it afterwards.

pay me to not make games

>>531086146
but, you're already not making games for free

>>531085901
I honestly would rather do something like record my own voice and then make it sound gibberish like sims.

Or use vocaloid and make it sounds gibberish.

SIMS and Animal Crossing use a voice with a bitcrush to sound gibberish.
You could try that.

>>531085935
I was playing shit made with renpy and is just bad.

I still like the ones where effort is being put and there's like a day and night system with a town map.

But pretty 100% sure they're just 3D renders made with koikatsu and DAZ.

>>531085932
There's only four

>>531086146
Nah I wanna make games, but I don't want to have to make them for other people.

>>531086302
>You could try that.
i hate that kind of shit. it's the most useless cop-out. might as well not have any kind of voiceover at all.

>>531085861
Optimize your prompts with Grok 4

>>531086475
AI voice literally sounds like a youtube scam video.

The issue with AI, is that AI is also used by scammers to make low effort products to scam people.

It's like using a showelware or NFT or label that says this is low effort and I did not care about quality, so is 100% pajeet scam shit, pls give me money.

That's the vibe that AI products give.

>>531085932
Consult the link in OP
>https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
Also Hypercoven which did still not get added. Will be released next month. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3321850/HyperCoven/

>>531086678
>AI voice literally sounds like a youtube scam video.
if you use the default elevenlabs voices, i can synthesize unique voices myself with the program i use

>>531085861
I'm extremely anti-AI and I don't even believe you
no way that's true we haven't entered the "AI companies charge you how much it actually costs them" stage yet

>>531076295
what country does he live in where ~$14,000 a year is above wageslave?

>>531086902
Ukraine

Have any of you considering Al voice acting?

>>531085932
yeah mine

>>531086975
I mean fair enough then.
Maybe the goal should be to make enough money that living in a third world country isn't so bad

consumers will decide what's fun. you gonna get to work and do what they want. you will do as they wish. you will listen to their feedback. you will do as you are told!

>>531087159
fine. except consumers aren't playing my game. so what am i supposed to cater to?

>>531087159
they dont give me feedback

>>531086902
somewhere in Eastern Europe

>>531087159
haha

I don't have to do this, but I did this anyways. Gamedev man.

>>531084626
I was literally born for this tho. That advice is just crap.

Inside all playtesters there are two wolves.
- One that complains you aren't handholding enough.
- One that complains you're handholding too much.
You must pander to both at once. No, skipping tutorial doesn't work to pander to both.

All this talk about AI voice acting, but how many /agdg/ devs actually used it?

>>531087715
I've designed my game with a specific audience in mind that knows how to play these games.
If you're not in that audience then you're probably not playing my game.

>>531087715
I don't care. I'm not here to make the perfect user experience, I'm here to make a game that lives for decades

there's an article about how the indie dream is dead and it was made in 2015

>$5 indie game = 2 h of value
>$3 espresso = 5 h half-life

well aggy... seems like you're game is too expensive.

>>531088029
my game has 15-30 hours in it

>>531087715
>playtesters
on what planet?

>>531088029
are you taking a sip every 20 minutes or something

>>531088029
I need to make a game with characters like Marie Rose.

>>531087789
Welcome to the general, newfren.

>>531088175
He's talking about how long the caffeine will last in your system.

>>531088175
idiot

How come they don't invite hopoo? He went to the same university

>>531087886
That's when the market started shifting from a pure meritocracy to the plutocratic hellhole we are dealing with now where you live and die on having connections and appealing to streamers.

>>531088281
hopoo's busy actually make a game right now

this is it
the DD I submit something
holy fuck this feels good to type
hope it doesn't get much harder than this to actually start haha