HAVE COURAGE Edition

Previously on /coopg/ : >>533058310

>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
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Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
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Hotfix #72 (1.8.4) - Patch Notes
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Killing Floor 3: lol

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
and others

>Future games
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Jump Ship - TBA

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

>here's your havoc 40 team mate, bro

Why did Fatshark do this?

>>533347223
are you implying youre one of the retards that went down or

>>533347223
bro just needed a few more useless numbers in the middle of his screen to save his run

>>533347639
>your havoc 40 team mate
His yours
This is why you take piss toughness. You can't trust that players won't be playing with controlers, in 3rd person and while listening to music

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>533347964
*he's yours
Oops. Better get my words right!

>>533347964
>His yours
>controlers
>won't be while listening

>>533347223
>that panicked random flailing, hitting nothing
holy kek

>>533348238
*and while listening
Ftfy
>correcting typos when you don't understand sentence structure
Lol

>>533348554
Nice one pajeet

>>533348538
Lil bro doing WoW dps A + D spamming in darktide just because he's playing in turdperson

>>533348718
>pajeet
Is everyone who dunks on your retarded ass an indian or are you just desperately hoping that i am racially inferior to you so you might be able to scrape together some tiny form of victory against me?

>but the modif-
free modifier
not an argument
>but they got d-
just pick them up
>b-bu-
skill issue
people who are as good as me would agree

>>533349076
ok you win
he doesn't stand a chance against you

>>533347223
… How can any sane individual justify playing like this? In what world could you look at this gameplay and surmise “Wow, that looks like a lot of fun!”? I know that there are some mods that actually have a reason for existing but this just confirms once again that most modtroons are subhuman.

>>533349816
Look at how he plays. He is clearly mentally deficient

>>533347002 (OP)
I don’t get it. Why is there suddenly an Ogryn behind her?

>>533350003
It's an edit

>>533347223
>Starts off focusing on clearing the daemonhost summoning
Okay so far
>Psyker gets drilled by some stalkers
bit sad, but still up
>Oh burster got popped
absolutely bungled it

>played ogryn and zealot exclusively for havoc since the game mode released
>decide to try psyker out for a change
>get hit by a single scab mob in the back and lose 70% of my hp
holy fuck.

>>533350959
You should obviously be playing an arbites

>>533350959
health curios
psyker either has full toughness or 0 toughness, you have terrible TDR so there's no point in stacking toughness
if you want the psyker ezmode it's very easy to do well and play safely with inferno+bubble but other psyker staffs/actives demand ridiculous amounts of skill and attention

>shield
>shock mine
>bolter
Now i'm ready for anythi- WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SPECIALS I CAN'T PUT MY BOLTER AWAY FOR 1 SECON- ACK!

>>533352009
waiting for the buff that gives arbitrator a swap speed buff

>>533352172
Doesn't he already have one in the middle tree?

>>533352329
no

>>533350185
I know but what is the Ogryn supposed to be doing

>>533352886
Convincing her to not kill herself
Are you stupid?

>i gotta run across that narrow path to get a god shot at that burg-
>*WHOPISH*
>AAAAAIEEEEeeeeₑₑₑₑ....

You could go support...
OR you could just have a team that supports itself...
Just sayin'...

>>533349907
>looked like a fun, more casual take on the genre,
it is, its really fun, but its more complicated than it should be, because you have 14 maps; so on top of balancing team comps for counters you have to pick heroes based on the maps as well and know how to play those maps, on top of heroes having two ults and several talents builds that can change their entire gameplay instead of each character having a singular item build and play, as a result you kinda need to know 80% of the heroes. theres also much more emphasis on playing as a TEAM and SKILL rather than watching the carries jack off because their numerical value is obscene, and that doesnt appeal to a lot of people; i dont really see the appeal of doing anything other than playing a carry in lol or dota, because thats basically sitting the cuck chair, meanwhile hots has really insane tanks and supports that are really fun to play

I don't know what that nurgle disease be doing but my shit lowkey taste kinda good

>>533352009
Outside of havoc, bolt pistol (maniacs, puncture) deals with all the important specials quite quickly, and has fast enough swap speed to easily swap back and forth between melee and ranged. It gets frustrating when there's a half dozen snipers with bombers added in, but all of those should die in a single bodyshot. In havoc, you might have to hit the head tho.
I don't usually struggle to find space to kill specials between BTL (stop crutching on Stance) and the flashbang, which also conveniently disables nearby flamers, etc. Dog is also a huge help.

>>533354974
>i dont really see the appeal of doing anything other than playing a carry in lol or dota, because thats basically sitting the cuck chair
Early game roles are more of a mindset thing falling into a spectrum between parental nurture and sadistic glee. Many core role players (at least when I still played, on EU servers) are the equivalent of spoiled autistic children, and that cuts both ways. Regardless of their unstable mindset, if you ensure a core player's early game goes smoothly, chances are they'll carry you to victory if you continue to support them, else they wouldn't be at that rating. On the opposite end, if you sabotage the enemy cores with frustrating enough bullshit, they might just tilt and throw the game (intentionally or not, such as flaming their supports for not keeping up with your bullshit). You have a lot of power in the first third of the game, meaning immediate impact and fun, where YOU get to have a major say about the direction the game takes. But dota is a pretty complex game and there are midgame carries that are relatively strong early on, and anything between that and lategame carries that are equally cucked for their extreme reliance on the rest of the team (and laning phase).
I'm not overly invested in MOBAisms anymore, so this is the last I'll say on the subject, to avoid derailing the general any further.

>>533358338
Still much harder
>flashbang
>press Q
>rummages in pocket
>rummages in other pocket
>finds bolter
>pull it out of pocket
>it snags on the pocket seam
>wiggle it around a little
>get it loose
>raise it up
>rummages for bolter keys
>stickskey in bolter ignition switch
>wrong key
>looks for right key
>sticks right key in
>turns it
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=CDY6OYdsKTw
>pulls back bolt
>shoots one bomber
>switches to melee

>>533347002 (OP)

>>533359215
Why would you shoot a man after throwing him off a plane?

>>533353017
But why would an Ogryn be doing that…

>>533359506
Ogryns are super heroes

>>533358338
but nothing you said is exclusive to dota though, hots does a lot of that except you have to keep up for the rest of game, you never become obsolete, also your games ends on 14 mins, 20 if everyone is bad

>>533358948
kek
Yes anon, that's why in the first sentence I mentioned
>bolt pistol
which has none of the bolter's downsides, and most of its strengths (except mag dumping for DPS, which I don't consider necessary. Armored hordes fold to shield maul, bosses die quick enough to pistol + melee). It even makes up for the reduced ammo count by avoiding sunk cost thanks to its fast swap speed.

>>533354974
Game is still getting balance updates, I want to pick it up again but I don't have the energy to deal with blizzards shitty fucking launcher.

>>533359913
Red pill me on bolt pistol and melee for bosses. Anything special too it?

>>533359941
buts thats not content though, we still dont troll shadowhunter, tauren chieftan, naga seawitch, or goblin alchemist

>>533359348
Mercy kill, I guess.

>>533359913
It's just that shield weapons as a category do just about the worst unyielding damage in the game

>>533359348
Maybe he was a big guy uuuu

>>533360174
>Anything special too it?
Only that you should be keeping up bleed stacks.
You open up with 4 shots (hopefully to a weakpoint) to stack max bleed on the boss, then melee it a bunch until the stacks start falling off and pop another round in its head before continuing to melee.
This isn't strictly necessary since you can also just aim (for better fire rate) and magdump weakpoints from a distance, but then you'll suffer the bolt pistol's relatively slow reload.
The DPS is OBVIOUSLY lower than the boltgun's, but it has always killed bosses fast enough for me on arbitrator.

>>533361356
I used to swear by carapace + flak, but since the shield maul does really good flak damage anyway, I've since put unyielding on it. The damage still isn't great, but it's relevant.
Also the shield pistol has pretty good unyielding damage iirc, but I still massively prefer the bolt pistol for everything else it offers (including mobility, just dump collateral on it).

>>533361570
>I used to swear by carapace + flak
Youtubers did the same because they skipped a bunch of damage talents and struggled to aim for heads so they needed flak to kill basic elites

>>533362126
Yeah, Soulguilt and Target the Weak (+ Concussive) carry it.
I also still insist that Mister Estrogen is wrong in his assessment that Opportunist (+25% rending vs staggered) is sub-optimal, and that it is actually the second best blessing. Most good builds can find room for Concussive without making concessions, and the rending applies to all of your damage, including Puncture bleed, making it perfect for swapping back and forth with bistol.

>>533362342
With +15% rending talent
>heavy overhead attack into jab without rending blessing
High 600s on jab
>with rending blessing
Low 900s jab damage

Rending on the shield causes the light attacks to do crazy carapace damage
I'd rather use the other shield if i wanted confident strike since you'd just spam heavy attacks against carapace

>>533347223
>>533347275
how did you manage to get the camera so far away? I put mine at max but still can barely see my feet.

>>533363098
He's using a mod to play in 3rd person

>>533363219
yes i know but the mod normally doesnt let you zoom out that far, at least, thats what it looks like on my end hence why i wanted to ask if he messed with the scripts himself to be able to zoom out farther and i want to know how (if he) did it

>>533363491
*shrugs*
*dabs*

>>533363491
NTA but you can check the localization file in the mod folder, ctrl+F whatever the option for distance is called, figure out what the attached function is called, and then back track it into the code if necessary.
Chances are that you can just change how big the slider in the UI is, and it'll handle that. Else you can go into the code and increase the limit that way.

>>533364053
okay thanks for the tipp
i asked chatgpt and set this option
local CUSTOM_MULT = 2.0
in CameraTree. messed a bit with the settings in game and got the wanted results

>>533364871
>i asked chatgpt
the future (present) is bleak man

>>533365636
if it works it works

devil claw sword
>cleave stat
>2x cleave blessings
>psyker cleave nodes
I AM CLEEEEVIN' DUDE

>>533365985
Pointless

>>533365985
>armor gang gets up in your face
ZIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING AAAAAAAYYYYYYYY

>>533359941
I pray the overwatch 2 review raping didn't deter them from porting this game to steam. Tho I bet they hate HOTS because it was made by a team of whites and real women and wasn't ashamed with SOVL and curves

>>533365936
Neck yourself, mouthbreather

>>533367804
>reee you should have gone to telepot's discord and suffered through the hugbox like MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>533350959
that's psyker life

>>533365636
ChatGPT is a pretty good coding assistant. You still have to handle most of the logic and troubleshooting yourself, but the code it writes works fine. I've used it a couple of times, and while not particularly efficient, it does a good job at helping with languages I'm not familiar with.
Did some darktide modding this way, too.

>>533368142
>walk into an enraged overhead
Sasuga
Why is it always flame staff psykers and smiggers who act like this?

>>533368142
Stop fondling your ogryn's ass and pay attention to your surroundings

>>533368142
how is it the game's fault you are looking at only one direction

>>533367804
did chatgpt rape your father or something you cocksucker

>>533368142
>All of the visibility, alertness, and surrounding mods in the game being used
>Doesn't actually use it

>>533369017
The worst part is that the obnoxious spideysense mod is somehow less useful in this situation than the mod that turns nearby allies transparent so ogryn don't bodyblock your vision lol. And that one barely qualifies as cheat, unlike spidey.

>>533369217
>transparent allies mod
care to link the mod?

>>533369330
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/416
The default distance settings are pretty generous. I forget what settings I use, but I think it's in the 6-7 meter range, and you could probably get away with even less. Or just set it to ogryn only.

Maybe the Admech marshal would be a better fit then another reject that doubles as a team ez scanner and ranger specialist that could do some bullshit to choke the spawn AI faggot some how have an ability to close up spawn points

>>533369579
>admech that IS WELDING THIS DOAH
fund it

>>533369579
I would love an Enginseer or something that has some limited life defenses or ability to control chokes/approaches. A very limited life Tarantula for engineer gaming, the ability to lay mines, something.
Or if that's too strong some sort of IG Sapper that some regiments employ, I don't fucking know. Remove stealth from Veterans and replace it with a Sapper/Engie tree. Stealth feels stupid on Vet as it is, desu.

>>533369428
thank you, exactly what i was looking for

>play rolling steel
>everyone is slow from the get-go
>nobody does the objective
>3 of them go down at the same time before the boss even spawns
how, HOW? What manner of sub-humans am I forced to babysit?

An engineer that makes a little drone that follows him. The drone has many talents in the talent tree, but it's essentially long range lasers, close range flamethrower, or periodic yellow overhealth. His ability would be to throw down a little automated turret. The engineer also needs to finish one fewer stage when solving servo skull malfunctions.

A medic that has passives that reduce corruption on the team, has a lot of small yellow overhealth grants for the team, their ability removes a wound from all allies and gets them up from downed, has later nodes that has a cooldown that says "the next time a team mate would die, they are downed with 1 wound remaining instead". But also has a toxic damage tree that reduces enemy max hp and applies DoTs to enemies by throwing vials. The medic also does not consume a medi station charge when using one, on a timer.

A sniper that has a servo skull buddy spotter, the servo skull constantly flies ahead of the group and tags enemies. On a timer it also drops a flashbang grenade, and the sniper gets reduced cooldowns and some reload speed and other bonuses for headshotting the stunned enemies. The lowest hp/toughness hero, but has stealth built in rather than on an ability if they stand still for 3 seconds. Has a unique weapon, an exitus rifle, which has the best sound of any gun in the game. Also has a wallhack ability that tags enemies through walls and displays their silhouette for allies as well. Has a node that makes enemy weak spots glow. Also has custom ammo selection for the exitus rifle that you can press the inspect button to swap between, including one that goes right through enemy captain shields (lore friendly from tabletop).

A sapper that can lay mines on the floor. Grenade recharge nodes, explosion/fire damage reduction. has a trophy system they can place down. Faster breaching charge placement. poops out grenade pickups for allies on a cooldown. grenade launcher ammo selection.

>>533368698
Hello inbred zoomer

So are the dueling sword and plasma nerfs going to come along with appropriate buffs for some of the extremely weak veteran/zealot weapons, or is Fart gonna Shart and just nerf the strongest weapons in the game while leaving the ~70% of their arsenal that is literally useless untouched?

>>533371140
heh, you did the meme

>>533350959
welcome to the real game lil nigga

What second blessing do you use on combat knife after untranny strike? There seem to be several viable options unlike most weapons which have two obvious ideal blessings and maybe one or two viable alternatives.

>>533371062
>rolling steel again
>another squad of sub-humans that's lagging behind 2 trains carts because they can't move and fight at the same time
Yeah fuck this, it's retard hours.
Fuck me for working night shifts.

>>533371797
Depends on how you play
The way I've seen others play knife, they zoom zoom and apply bleed to random enemies and run away. Personally I just don't play knife because ds4 is better and my ADHD is not on a level when I would start zooming. Though admittedly I rarely play ds4 too.

>>533372065
>I just don't play knife because ds4 is better
I play knife on zealot and veteran specifically because the concept of a guardsman using a dinky dueling sword is retarded to me. I guess it works if you want to paypig for the Saltzpyre drip and make a themed build but I just think it looks silly and doesn't fit the class theme well. I would have preferred dueling sword stay on psyker where it was still extremely strong but limited by the class it was locked to.

>>533371797
If you have other source of bleed on passive tree - Mercy killer is peak.
Precog is the other top tier perk.
Riposte is unnecessary.
Executor is ok but other options are better.

>>533371797
crit on dodge

>>533371101
Sounds good anon. I really want engineer gaming.

>>533372065
I only ever use DS in havoc anymore, and literally the only thing keeping me from switching to knife is the DS special stun stab. If/when they absolutely rape the weapon into uselessness by "reworking" the special into some retarded and useless parry mechanic that hamstrings your stamina and gets you stunlocked, I'm instantly switching over to knife again. I might also experiment with tac axe because its special also stuns good (just without the range).

Are the heavy swords actually worth using now or are they still abysmal dogshit compared to Devil Claws?

>>533372293
they were fun together

>>533371140
>mindbroken by zoomers and an algo
beyond saving, kill yourself

>>533372187
It doesn't fit the game even. And it doesn't even look like a rapier, it looks like a sabre.

>>533372412
Weren't the heavy swords always good? They kind of rape hordes and maniacs which are among the most annoying enemies.
They are less good than many other weapons by intentional design of being bad against armor, which holds them back by virtue of the simple fact that shooting armor is kind of retardedly ammo inefficient with almost all weapons, but that's also a problem with the way enemy spawns are balanced. If no armor spawns, your heavy sword rapes everything. If you play aurics and the director decides it's crusher time, you'll waste all of your revolver ammo shooting them, run out, and still face more.

>>533372298
Tacaxe doesn't have the range or damage or mobility. Frankly it sucks.

>>533372939
>your heavy sword rapes everything in sedition

>>533372979
Knife and DS mobility are frankly overkill in havoc, and tacaxe dodges are plenty strong in every other situation that matters. It's mostly just the lack of range and the worse TTK on crushers that's concerning. I haven't used tacaxe enough to confidently judge whether, or how reliably, I can stun mutants out of their charge, and I consider that to be very important.
>le just dodge
It'll just grab the guy behind me if I do that.

>>533372979
I thought they recently buffed the tacaxe to have the same movement speed as the knife?

>>533372412
usable
Game is so easy now that you can honestly run fucking anything and it won't be a problem.

How do you use knife against armor? Spam lights or take MkIII and spam heavy overheads? The MkVI seems better generally but I don't know how you are supposed to fight armor with it's slashing heavies.

>>533373219
Spam lights at heads until uncanny is at max stacks, then block push until an attack comes out, repeatedly. On a crit build. Push crits deal ridiculous damage for some reason.
I believe there's some combo on one of the marks that's really good too, but I honestly don't even bother with that.

>>533373109
They buffed something they call "sprint profile", it affects slowdown when charging attacks. But the speed is still worse than ds and dodges are worse than knife

>>533373219
Special attack followed by light attack

Give me the skibidi on tax axes for arbites
Need it or keep it? Assume i'm using the mk IV (light cleave, single target heavy)

>>533372412
absymal dogshit

>>533359348
What's actually crazy is that she's even able to hit him that precisely considering she's in a moving plane and he's falling

>>533365985
That webm really deserves some music

>>533365985
>>533376750
Forgot to link it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4wAnvfM4M

>>533370329
>Stealth
Just remove it in general. It only appeals to faggots and bad players

>>533371938
It's either that or one retard zooming past everything and dying before he rage-quits

>>533375392
tac axe has nothing behind it except for some decent stagger (which is still useless because of tiny range)
it's trash and anybody who says it's good is trolling
especially on arbites, you can just grab a combat axe and do everything tac axe does but 200% better

>>533365636
>>533367804
True…
>>533367606
Damn you’re making it sound great

>>533375392
>Need it
No, the shield maul should be considered the default weapon for its absolutely irreplaceable utility, whether being a bulletproof slab when shit hits the fan, flashbanging infinitely dense hordes of ragers about to gape your psyker's asshole, or just general utility of stunlocking anything you hit with it.
>keep it?
Sure, why not. It's fast, it's comfy, the special staggers anything at the press of a button, and with arby's obscene damage buffs it's strong enough. If you're considering ditching it, look back into using it again after fagshart hopefully fixes Execution Order so you can abuse the crit from it. It's an undeniably strong weapon that really likes either crit or cleave, and arby's gets both.
I personally prefer the brown one with the vaguely diagonal heavy/light horde clear combo and light spam into single target, mostly for ease of use. I do admit I haven't used it enough, but every arbitrator I've played with that has, managed to put out competitive amounts of damage, so it cannot possibly be bad. I just personally prefer the shield and never see myself dropping it.

>>533372293
I hope they fucked they’re cute together >>533376601
Yeah it’s like the plane remained completely stationary the angle the bullet hits him at lol

>>533371140
Obsessed faggot.

>>533369017
can I have the source do your cutiepie? :3

>>533369579
>>533370329
>>533370052
>>533371101
At this point it’s pretty clear some AdMech flavor is the way to go, it has the most options and versatility by far by virtue of them being their own thing.

>>533368387
>>533364871
use claude instead, it's better for coding tasks.
chatgpt's more for conversational tasks, and it's more prone to hallucinating code that doesn't do anything.

How would (You) fix weapons that have fallen behind like autoguns or infantry lasguns and make them more viable on higher difficulties?

>>533378581
I wouldn't be surprised if the rejects end up completely playable on table top as imperial agents exclusive
arbites are there, and ad mech marshals would get souped in

>>533378425
Mahjong soul

>>533378798
Fuck it. Double their ammo.

>mortis trials
does anyone even play this shit anymore?
why the FUCK would they introduce a penance gated behind that shit

>>533378581
Would a Skitarii be considered autonomous enough to be playable? I feel like GW's take on them can be incredibly inconsistent. I wouldn't mind a tech priest either, but the Skitarii seems more down to earth. But then again Arbites are not really your run of the mill grunt either, and I would consider them above most of the Admech in terms of authority and status within the systems not governed directly by the Admech themselves

>>533379285
could be an excuse to whatever admechfag comes around to have them like vermintide necro

>>533379092
I seriously dont understand why they wasted dev time on that drivel.
Wave based survival modes are always fucking boring. Lo and behold mortis trials died after a few days when people once again realized this fact. Dunno why retarded redditors are always asking for these DoA modes.

>>533379478
I like it once in a while. I usually test out new shit in it. But it's incredible how retarded people are in that mode

>>533378798
Here's my crazy idea: give lasguns more damage and less recoil

What the fuck is up with the matchmaking lately?
>join auric
>two dudes with box names suddenly up and leave for seemingly no reason, mission going fine
>5 minutes later the other dude leaves too when I go a little too fast diving gunner packs and notice he's far behind
>end up having to solo the mission for 15 minutes and still not a single person joined

>>533380081
I'm not sure that lasguns can even be saved since they were designed for around a fundamentally different game and they are just inherently not useful in higher difficulties where you have to be specced into boss/armor damage or horde clear and you can't just trade shots with scab shooters.

>>533380194
i have all 3 people disconnect at random times at the same time and then filling up with new people 2 minutes late

>>533381009
Just make them behave like bolter. Ads -> single shots. Hipfire -> burst or full auto.

>>533380194
It feels like expired missions can no longer receive reinforcements, so once your mission's timer dies, you won't get any new players. The recent-ish epidemic of leavers (new players taking new difficulty unlocks for granted and going far, FAR out of their depth and leaving once they realize they don't fucking belong?) only worsens this phenomenon.

>>533378798
too much overlap
having another 3 marks of the same rifle is just bloat
there is nothing to fix because its fundamentaly a shit system which would have been fixed if we could customize weapons but having nice things is forbidden it seems

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/559

Barrel bros... I don't feel so good...

>>533381382
I wish ogryn could pick up and throw barrels

>>533380194
yeah games don't seem to be backfilling properly, usually when someone leaves i don't see the slot filled again

The Zarona should have its base damage increased to like 700 at least

>>533378941
thank you!!!!

how does weapon leveling work
do i have actively kill things with the weapon i want to level or does it suffice to just finish the mission?

>>533382768
You get a little mastery xp for finishing the mission, and the bulk based on the kills you make with each weapon.
And you can always wait until level 30 then craft a bunch of green weapons to sacrifice

>>533381621
I wonder if the imperium does not teach ogryn how to throw such things or they'll actuall cause more accidents then anything

>Join KF3 game
>Full party of 6
>As soon as zeds start spawning on wave 4 everyone drops out
War. War never changes.

>>533379092
>>533379478
Mortis trials would've been much cooler and interesting if it was more like CoD zombies, ie. you need to reinforce entry holes to prevent enemies from coming in.
Also the mind-scape idea is dumb and boring, it'd be cooler if the Mortis Trial missions were meant to be missions where you need to hold your ground against the enemies until the mission command can send in reinforcements.

Kind of like how the end of the Aegis Station mission is, but make it bigger in concept.
Like you need to first kill the traitor forces from the installation and disable the anti-air batteries, etc.

>>533384331
I wouldn't mind a mortis with high havoc density

>>533383204
>green weapons to sacrifice
Why not Blue?

>>533378154
For me it's shield vs rampaging enemies and rashad for everything else

>>533368142
>psyker players being dogshit and killing themselves
>"BROO PSYKER'S SOOOO HARD ITS THE HARDEST CLASS IT NEEDS BUFFS BROOO"

>>533378798
Infantry lasguns are pefectly fine and only need autofire because carpal tunnel syndrome is no fucking joke
And maybe reduce recoil because it's stupid and also bad for spamming

>>533384672
cost-effectiveness ratio

>>533384845
then just use the recon lasgun

>>533368142
you have the dueling sword why are you sitting with your thumb up your ass flaming a single mauler and crusher instead of just melee-ing it? psykers really are the worst players

>>533384680
psyker players being dogshit and psyker being hard to play are not mutually exclusive

>>533384672
barely if not a diff

>>533385353
Inferno staff users are like smiggers. Gotta just spam that shit and never melee

>>533385408
yeah but the people im referring to are the kind of people who would also eat shit on ogryn and arbites

>>533386176
the inferno staff meta and its consequences have been disastrous for the pysker playerbase

>>533386176
you only ever need to melee crushers when using purg thoughbeit, everything else dies

I've just bought darktide. So apparently all the weapons that have dropped at the end of the missions are not even worth noticing because I can just craft whatever I want... am I missing something or is it really like this? You can change the perks and blessings to get exactly what you want. I have about 2 hours in so I can still refund but I fail to see the point of this system. Please tell me getting gear isn't all about crafting slop

>>533387856
>I've just bought darktide.
My condolences.

>>533387856
rajeesh

>>533387856
You forgot to include the word "normalfag" in your post. Please refine your prompt.

This guy sounds like he ahd so much fun recording these lines. The one at 2.50 in particular is pure gold! And the laugh just sells it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3PJSVf7wwY

Really hope he get's some more jobs

>>533389991
He sounds like he's about to shit his pants

>>533390204
desu if I where about to shit myself in publicMy biggest fear not even lying I would like to imagine that's how my inner monologue would be, my life would be forfeit at that point anyway

>>533389991
>when you are out of fentanyl and start fighting normalfags and other bums for some money

>>533371101
Or just a Servo Skull with a gun

>>533393416
>swarm of servo skulls with chain sword/axe attachment
>disassembling armored units

Fatshark, I am issuing an ultimatum: I'll purchase some of your cosmetic slop, but on the condition that you first add more face options and hair options that will inevitably clip through helmets.

sloppa more like poopa

>>533347223
this looks like fucking WoW, lmao

>>533393416
>When the Archmagos finds a STC of an ab machine.

>>533371101
WWZ (actually not a bad game) kinda had this

>kitchen stove noises

>play aurics for like four fucking hours
>fail every single one
I wish my hatred could filter through the tubes of the internet and fucking choke some of these people in matchmaking.

>>533359506
Ogryns are wholesome

>>533396927
>Muvva don't lie

Is there a way to make green fart clouds stop not cause my game to lag but still see shere they are? Like, not disabling them completely but replacing or tweaking graphics settings. This event is absolutely fucking unplayable. Thiugh it kinda feeks like farts cause more of a server-side lag than drop my fps, guess this one is impossible to fix.

>>533397346
upgrade your pentium 4/650ti potato

>>533397840
I have 4080 and it's a known issue
But I realized it's serverside in the middle of writing that post so you can go back to fingering yourself in heresy.

Is there something going on with this Rot modifier? I've tried 3 missions and everyone gets downed and leaves before the first event

what is the game-play progression like in ready or not? Is it like darktide and those where it's "single player" but you really need to play with other people for it to be good?

>hmm time to play havoc
>retards die after the FIRST DROP
yeah maybe not

now i know why you fag play with the rock
ogryn nades cause well known stutter and freezes
and you cucks were shitting on my pentium 4 pc for being too """"outdated"""
i will never forgive you for deceiving me

>>533363098
I don't think I changed any mod settings related to camera position, so this might be because I increased my FOV past the game's menu limit. IIRC you do that through the user_settings config file within the appdata Darktide folder. The line is "vertical_fov"

>>533393416
>Abdeptus Mechanicus

>>533375392
>Fastest movement speed in the Arbites arsenal
>Fastest attack speed in the Arbites arsenal
>Best dodges in the Arbites arsenal
>Chews through hordes with Brutal Momentum
>Special not only staggers but does a shit ton of damage so you can just spam it and bully ragers
>Arbites tree makes it great against carapace and unyielding both
>Kills h40 mutants in only 2 hits
>Only downsides are low cleave (capped to 3 targets per swing maximum) and low range

>>533379092
it’s a great concept with terrible execution also it attracts the worst people

man i played darktide last night with a normie co-worker and im still dumbfounded at how bad he was. how the hell do you have a phd, several published research papers, and a dozen patents under your name but manage not to develop basic game sense.

on second thought he probably thinks the same about me since im a loser janitor at 23 lol. bro was doing his doctorate at that age.

>>533401925
>Chews through hordes with Brutal Momentum
in sedition*

>>533394549
Clipping has existed in computer graphics for literally 70 years, dude. It's never going away. Why does this shit upset you so much?

>farten armor
>too many farts make server crash
good event

>>533397487
Kek

>>533406854
>400k characters made
>578 MILLION pet commands
Holy shit, how, even?
I pet the dog once when I made the character to do the penance, and completely forgot that it was even a feature entirely the moment I got into a game

>>533407138
Notice that the pet commands and total companion kills are the same numbers, it's just the intern fucking up.
if it was real it would mean each arbites pet the dog 1400 times on average

when do swedish summer vacations end?

>>533407452
end?

>>533406854
>400k arbite
>170k voltaic shock mine kills
huh?

>400k arbites
>each of them used break the line roughly 6 times
huh?? So the average person used it for one mission, pressed F 6 times? I'm pretty sure I've used it thousands of times by now by myself

These stats are so off they make no sense

>>533407452
It never ends

dueling sword is crazy
having a blast with mk2 since it lands headshots easier for whatever reason

>>533408920
There's a reason it's on the nerf chopping block.

>>533347223
god I hate arbitrator, the class does nothing unless the player is really good, and isn't chasing green circles
99% of all havocs I've played I end up wishing I'd had a bubbleless psyker or charge zealot instead
zero team synergy save in specific team comps

>>533389991
>>533390204
>>533390581
>>533390657
Surreal posts

>>533409678
most arbies stay alive forever but don't really do much, I won't take more than one in my havocs and I make sure they have a dog for teamwide toughness

>Vermintide 2
I tried to get into this game with friends who enjoy it, but really couldn't see where the fun comes from. The only interesting character was the fire witch because you can kill yourself. I just dunno, I really tried to enjoy it, but it felt inferior even to L4D2 and I cannot understand why. On paper the game looks fine and should be something I could enjoy, but it didn't happen. One thing for certain: equipment locked behind the loot boxes sucks.

>just shoot hordes dude!
thank you Fatshart

>>533393416
>>533393505
Lol sign me up
>>533395725
This ALWAYS fucks me up why does that happen?????

>>533407138
swedish math

>>533409886
>recon
>hold m1
is it really that hard lil bro?

>>533409982
yes, I find it difficult to be gay

>>533409669
did they say in what way the nerf will happen?

>>533409982
That penance is a lot easier with a combat shotgun actually.

>>533403367
where the hell do you work

>>533407452
When I can get Yui bouncing on my cock until I bust in her belly

>>533410231
We don't know for sure, there were some preposals but they aren't set in stone and we only know the plasma guns preposed nerfs in any detail.
I've personally come around to the idea of nerfs because I'd also like them to stop spamming crushers as their fucking solution to player power creep.

I hate how you can't be a gun only fag because the push attacks on the guns only push a single fucking enemy. Fuck this

>>533408175
>>170k voltaic shock mine kills
snortis trials have a perk that makes them explode

>>533383804
It was outlawed after an incident where an Ogryn grabbed a Sister of Battle and climbed up a construction site, rolling barrels at anyone who tried to rescue her.

>>533403367
a phd in what, where eels spawn?

>play with normals
>having a blast everyone has each others back, move like a unit
>playing with auric storm survivors and havoc forged
>everyone plays like a bitch noone tackles the crushers or mauler
>arbiter chills in the back does nothing despite just soloing 5 of them on his own and his endless mines
>steals medic station charge despite being 60% health
i had the most aweful round ever and they werent even bad, just completel bitchmade and selfish to a point i could just stand there and do nothing while everyone waits for everyone to do the first move

>>533409886
just pop heads, and play normally. I got it done in like 4 games with a combat shotgun.

>>533416923
4 days*
Though I'm a play in pretty short sessions

>>533416758
The sheer amount of retardation in aurics is astounding, I did a lights out auric earliar today and two of the group got fucking lost in the first room while the rest of us were dealing with crusherspam, like actually lost, they couldn't figure out the way forward in a map they've presumably played a hundred times.

>>533417902
auric is the new heresy

What happened to dregs? do they not exist anymore?

>>533418094
at this rate I'm going to drop to fucking heresy just to get this event done, I suspect the people playing down there will somehow have more brain cells and not fail two thirds of the missions because they can't do basic things like stick together, or the worst thing, getting so bogged down killing enemies that we take 15 fucking minutes to advance like 3 rooms.

>>533407452
September, but there's a bonus post-vacation "gathering yourself together" month. So october.

>>533418304
Not in Rotten Armour. Dregs don't have armour, they got faith of the heart.

When are we getting a reverse campaign?
Scab Vet
Dreg Zealot
Chaos Ogryn
Psyker but it's just the Loner again

>>533413163
ok but why share THAT number?
it's just some random shit some bored intern had to make and he wasn't really feeling like digging out some actualaly interesting info

>>533420514
I wish we god this game instead, they look so much cooler

>>533421038
looks way cooler but the game is so dark already they would be nearly invisible

>ship's entire portside thrusters don't work
>Kayex is like
>"mmm I shall smoke this sacred Blunt while I recite the Hymn of Omnissiah, that should fix it"

holy shit garden is obnoxious in 40s

>>533422963
it sure was, whole operation was a cluster fuck

>use powersword on veteran on damnation
>specialist popper and crowd control enjoyer
>is a helpful part of society
>transition to dueling sword
>don't kill big guys noticeably fast
>become rescue welfare queen
Skill issue

>>533422963
It was deemed to fail, only one road for logistic

>>533350003
The Ogryn wants to cheer her up and give her a big hug.

>UH-HUM!
>Decloaks
>

>>533416758
Everyone using hat title I have seen so far has been terrible players. I did a Mortis trial where I joined at the end of wave 2 and the bot I replaced had half a wound left so I decided to top off using the med-station because It would anoy me to look at it. That apparently triggered two guys using that title who then proceeds to sperg out in chat belittling me and calling me a fag. Funnily enough I don't lose a single wound for the rest of the game and proceeds to save both of them multiple times afterwards. One of them also refused to drop the Ammo box since one of te containers still had a ammo bag....

This was on damnation, and these two fuckers where acting like it was the most hardcore shit ever... Whenever I encounter one such fag in normal maps they always sprint ahead until they get caught by a trapper and they die alone

Fucking love a good name

>>533423391
>>use powersword on veteran
I tried it and the weapon feels like shit to me. Guess it's an acquired taste

>>533424234
it's extremely good but constantly pressing the On button is hella lame

>>533403762
If you're having trouble winning with the Tactical Axe, consider turning the difficulty down.

One more day until we have to wait 2 more weeks for a hotfix

THAT'S WHY WE KEEP AN OGRYN AROUND

Follow the friendly ping :)

>>533414421
This is why tech priests can't be allowed around ogryns

>>533424216
i see it

>>533425319
Why are her shorts off but she's wearing boxers

>>533424234
You gotta acquire better taste. I can't chop bigniggas in half with a fucking toothpick

GOONER SIGHTED

Two fine gentlemen

SHOOT THE BLOODY BURSTER!!!

>>533426724
she's not wearing boxers that's just a small size shirt (too big for her)

>join h35 to help newbies
>double pogryn
>two go down somehow cuz they corner themselves
>when the 3rd guy goes down the two first dead disconnect
>zero enemies in the room somehow other than the pogryns
>kill the pogryns and revive ogryn
could've preserved their ranks if they sucked up their pride and ego instead and just waited for revive instead of sissyquitting

>>533404709
>super earth propaganda arm
>admitting to fuel burning contributing to global warming
yeah, no

>>533429923
fuck off to your containment

>>533407452
Start of September but like another anon mentioned the people at Fatshark also need at least 1-2 months to recuperate from the vacation in order to begin working again. Expect patches in November.

>>533430639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwBfGQJhDT8

>>533424234
you need to get semi good at the animation cancel to not eat shit constantly. Power up -> immediate block -> dodge/dodgeslide allows you to stay mobile and block while skipping the power up animation

>>533425319
>>533426724
>>533428089
Imagine the pungent smell of her sweaty cunny

>>533429615
quitters get the rope

>>533403367
at least you're well-paid and respected as a janitor

>>533430998
I'll take it. I love Krieg shit and the WWI Aesthic. Can't wait to see the Arby one to buy.

Oink Oink.

>borrowing roomates xbox cus I had 'eck but it needs to be fixed
>got darktide for free because steam customer service took a few days to reply to me on a rma
>bought arbites on steam even though my 'eck lcd cant run it and am looking into getting a new laptop
I'm just gonna start out as judge dredd, eventually, what am I in for?

>Damnation
>Good team overall, just unlucky.
>Get all downed/pinned
>Dead player leaves, bots saves pinned guy
>at 0.1% HP
>All buttholes twitching and clenched as he limped to save all of us
>THE EMP'RAH PROTECTS, SAH!
>We press on
>BEAST OF NURGLE APPEARS!!!
>"So anyway I started blasting."
>Get Vored as I attempt dodge escaping
>Get's dragged away expecting to get spat out and back to fight
>Suddenly PIC RELATED HAPPENS

Fucking smartest Beast of Nurgle I ever did see. Did the Daemon teach it to fetch? What amazing bullshittery.

>>533433924
>what am I in for?
the lex is the lex

>>533433924
Feeling pretty powerful, and having access to the best shotgun in the game, as well as, if you choose it, a mobile "kill it" machine, and escape tool for pins (which fun fact: you can still ping kill target enemies if downed or pinned).

Every Arbiter will either be

>Judge Dredd/Robocop Movie references
>Sherlock Holmes literature references
>Vidya Cop/Detective like pic rel
>IRL Famous Police like J Edgar Hoover, maybe
>Rerernces to Brutality, and ICE >muh politics, types.

>>533434589
tell me to go play disco elysium, it's been sitting untouched and installed for like 2 years now

>>533434589
>Realized my fairly obscure Clint Eastwood movie refrence isn't that obscure because it's also a Fallout 2 refrence.

>>533435307
lotsa fancy words but they censor the word faggot

Is it just me or does the majority of arbies just sick dick. Every time i play arbie my H40 lobbies are a cakewalk but god forbid i want to play vet to spice things up and the arbie i pick is always the weakest link constantly at low health or dead.

>>533434058
get dabbed on inquisissy

>>533434589
You forgot the
>female arbites + dog fucking joke

>>533429923
Could have been good if not slop
>>533433924
Is the joke from avatar

>>533435512
Kek

>>533407452
My vacations are in September.

>>533434589
I'm surprised nobody has gotten any mileage out of the chines sounding male arbites
>Falun Gone
>Dog named Lunch.

>>533436401
Better would be finding a way to reference
>20000-30000 civilians eaten
>decisive victory for the Tang

>>533435485
i have the opposite experience or a mixed bag of experiences
>arb is always the last one to stand
>i lose half my health in the first two rooms as vet
>I set the tempo of the group and we are doing fine (as a group i only pull and push when needed)
>everyone plays like a bitch, noone pushes, if something spawns it a waiting game, i die 5 times or more in 20 minutes or so

Game is all over the place for me, its either ragebaiting me to a breaking point of me hitting my keyboard or its a complete breeze where im completely in control of every situation. Feels like a fever dream

>>533436843
Thats because arbie is a frontline class whose job is keep the front staggered and ur job is to stick behind them and be a turret that deletes specials. If u get a good team who knows how to play their class ur gameplay is like a point and click adventure. This ofc with the plasma and DS. Dont push as vet ur a backline dps class ogryn and arbie are tanks who push. If ur team keeps making noob mistakes it's honestly a lost game vet aint a carry class either that can do 3 classes job like a GOOD arbie player.

>>533438732
exactly how i feel but i get too cocky sometimes, thinking im some kind of prodigy, eating shit 8/10 times and then getting mad. Should i just go arb at this point? Im nearly done leveling all weapons anyway

>>533434589
The feel when I just named my arbites and dog with generic names.

>>533439039
For ur playstyle honestly arbie, zealot, ogryn sound better. You'll start carrying games as the team lead who pushes. Also stay cool and calm getting tilted griefs u.

>>533438732
>ur
Phonefag go and stay go

>>533408175
>>533406854
>400k arbites
>most used: BTL with 3m uses
This statistic might not even be useful, because "most used" might unironically just mean most activations, which yeah no shit, the ability with an 8s cooldown gets used more than those with half a minute.
But also I've played with zealots who used chorus a total of 5 times over a nearly 30 minute mission. In aurics. Now remember how many retards play the lower difficulties.
Most players forget they have stimms and crates. Many forget they have a blitz. Some forget they have an ability.

>>533440337
thanks fren

>>533435307
It's a great audio book point and click RPG where you feel for a sad sack of sick cop, and get the BEST fucking side kick since Max of Sam and Max.

That said, no Sam and Max reference yet. sad.

>>533436401
I was Griswald, with a dog named Barnabus. But when an anon pointed out that the Authoritarian voice was more asain than french than I thought, I thought it was a perfect excuse to change him up. as you can see in image.

>>533440580
>Autist has never talked on group chats and thinks every post on a shitposting forum is a grammar test
Lmao sperg

Can't tell if tac axe is strong or arbites is strong
Maybe i should use the assault chain sword to test it out

>>533424012
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/e9/Spy_specialcompleted04.wav

>>533436401
>>533436620
Yeah if you pick you should really be leaning into the asian side

>>533441669
Tac axe is pretty good. Chainsword doesn't feel as good.

>>533440580
Big PhoneGOD COCK lives eternally in your mind

>>533435660
>Is the joke from avatar
Yeah, I meant to post this
Anyway I still wanna fix the 'eck and keep is as my emulation machine/mobile dopamine release device

>>533347002 (OP)
Is DRG Rouge Core gonna be deck verified or not?

>>533434589
I'm gonna name mine after Derrick Chauven

>>533441669
Both. I use it on Vet, Zealot, and Arby. Of course, it performs much better on Arby and will do even better when EO gets fixed.
>Chainsword
It's pretty bad

>>533442503
>>533443453
Was gonna test chain sword but stubbed my toe when dodging a trapper and my team was too retarded to help. Still had almost thrice the damage of the second highest damage player at that point

what's the easiest class/build for darktide so i can focus on one thing while i learn

>>533443885
It's an effective chaff cleanser, but it fails against armor packs. Where the Eviscerator can quickly kill most elites without something like FOTF, the Chainsword has a much harder time. And where the Eviscerator and Chainaxe keep the target they're specialing from attacking the user, the Chainsword does not. Moreover, the Chainsword does not have a good non-special-attack means of dealing with elites, especially those in armor, whereas the mk XV Eviscerator can do heavy overheads for decent damage while remaining mostly mobile, and one of the Chainaxe marks can spam lights that perform mini-shreds for significant damage that easily kill elites up until Maulers. The Chainsword isn't unusable, but it has very little going for it, even compared to other chain weapons which themselves are among the more hard-to-wield (with little numerical payoff) weapons in Darktide.

>>533444346
A generic Forceful Arbitrator build is probably the easiest thing. HOWEVER, if you're new, you'll likely pick up bad habits because Arbitrator can tank so much more than most/all other classes can, so I wouldn't recommend trying to learn the game as Arby. I would recommend a FOTF+Blazing Piety Zealot build. It's still fairly safe, but all the fundamental skills are still important to succeed as Zealot. Those are what you should focus on first.

>>533444612
can you link a build and what weapons/curios?

>>533444364
I could still spam heavy attscks with the new mark against armor, but it wasn't great, obviously

Alright, I will be the one to say it. I don't like having an arbitrator on my team. I don't think they provide enough support to the team. I base my opinion on havoc 40 gameplay.

can someone give me a short overview between the pros and cons of arbiters mace and shield and just the mace with the focus on just the mace since i have some experience with the mace shield combo already?
tl;dr What does the arbiters mace only has over the mace shield combo?

>>533440732
I fucking detest the amount of people that just never use their skills at all. It makes no fucking sense, most builds can pop them off all the time if they cared to. My favorite is the Shout/Chorus players that just never ever fucking use them at any point no matter how dire the circumstances

>>533445463
break the line is fine, nuncio can be useful for meat blobs, castigators is the only super selfish one. They are fine imo. Break the line loses a lot of value with red though

>>533445924
Shield has utility in blocking and flashbang
Bonk stick trades that for big number and a big damage special (on already shocked enemies)

>>533446052
I'm pretty sure it's a half/half between unaware retards who forget or don't realize that their ability is available, and JRPG potion hoarders that treat their cooldowns with a "WHAT IF I NEED IT" attitude, but ONLY on themselves. Then they take chip from poxers and get domed by a sniper and never get to use it anyway.

>>533446213
>castigators is the only super selfish one
I guess it depends on how you use it. When I tired it out I made sure that the first thing I would do whenever I popped it was to wade into all the ranged shitters and demolishing them. But I get what your saying, it doesn't really bring anything in particular to the team

>>533444742
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f868928-f008-4785-ac8a-9c81bf690bfa
I don't remember what perks I run on the Combat Axe. Some other anon can probably check theirs or tell you off-hand. It's a good weapon for learning the core mechanics with because it's strong and uncomplicated. Point Blank is another good blessing option for the Bolt Pistol. If you have good, fast aim or hipfire specials, it may be worth considering.

You can swap Blazing Piety (everything from the Punishment talent down to Righteous Warrior) over to Inexorable Judgement if you want. I prefer Blazing Piety because it'll give you enough crits with pretty much any weapon to maintain uptime on Enduring Faith and Invocation of Death, giving you many Fury of the Faithful uses and lots of toughness damage reduction. FOTF is an extremely versatile tool for both offense and defense.

Feel free to play around with curios as you see fit. Combat ability regen and gunner resist are the two curio perks I take almost 100% of the time, but feel free to experiment with the others. Stamina Regen, Block Cost Reduction, Ally Res Speed, and flat HP/toughness are all good general picks. Since you're newer, running bonus ordo dockets may be worthwhile. I also put one of each curio blessing (HP, toughness, stamina) in there because it's what I personally like to run most of the time outside of Havocs, but a lot of people like to run 3x toughness (for good reason since it'll help lower the amount of chip damage you take). Either way (or neither) works just fine. It's up to you to play around with them and decide for yourself over time.

>>533445924
Mace and Shield
>More control and amazing special attack
>can block overheads and ranged attacks and let you tank monsters/captains/twins/DHs with ease if need be
>still has very strong offenses
Arby Maul
>stronger offensive capability
>can shit on captain/twin shields and is also better against monsters than M&S

>>533445463
Arbitrator makes a very good bodyguard, dog has good utility, but I would prefer lone wolf shock mines if the pigger actually knows how to use them.
Psyker, zealot, vet would be my standard team composition, and if I'm not filling with a stealth zealot, arbitrator is my next choice, since that last slot can afford to be mostly autonomous. Piggy can easily trade the bodyguard role back and forth with the chorus zealot, and shock mines have insane synergy with flamer. I don't even care what ability the cop uses, though I'd hope it's not Stance, I think it's shit.

>>533446502
yeah i use it to bullrush shooters down but it kinda falls into the same category as stealth, albeit more useful imo since you're soaking up a lot of damage instead of aggro dumping

>>533445924
>>533446385
shield can also push bursters at range which i've only ever seen one other person use it for. If I know someone can't get a shove off i'll flash the burster away from them

My favorite part of wave glider isn't just the catchy beat, its the fact that this OST is the only enjoyable part about those 'endless horde till you finish the objective and the randos are doing fuck all to help' waves. Its like, hey arbites instead of larping as robocop and fighting the horde head on HOW ABOUT YOU PRETEND TO BE AN ICE AGENT AND DEFEND OUR FUCKING BORDER, WE FUCKING LOST BECAUSE EVERYONE TRIED SAVING YOU AND YOU WOULDN'T DEFEND THE CHECKPOINT. I might just buy a headset because its annoying dealing with some people.

https://youtu.be/o2Rjo2RkjvY?si=XTZy4rLm_qC_pG1h [Open]

So whats your favorite Darktide OST?

>>533448897
Don't buy a headset. Most of them are gayming scams made from the cheapest possible materials sold at 300% mark-up. Especially if you already have proper headphones, it's a retarded investment.
You can get a cheap clip-on mic, a more fancy stick-on mic you can attach to your headphones, a proper desk mic that hopefully filters sound properly and still sounds fine at a distance, or even a boom arm with any old mic close to your face (just make sure you have some form of pop filtering, even just the foam sock that goes over the mic is good enough).

I like Light of the Imperium the most,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBUXzWlcas
but it simply doesn't hit the same without the deafening sounds of endless gunfire, crunching skulls, groaning hordes and five mutants simultaneously screaming. Kinda similar to the DRG soundtrack whose minimal nature just sounds so much better with absolute carnage going on at the same volume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWuBGjHRxtI
It's just better with magdumping autocannon fire turning bugs into paste, explosions, ping spam, and everyone shouting.

>>533448897
The Gauntlet, the menu theme, and Disposal Unit are some of the best pieces of video game music I’ve ever heard. Kyd really made magic with this game.

>>533446385
>>533446662
>>533448220
Does the mace only weapon get better stamina/dodge management or are the differences small?

>>533450915
I'm not gay or some streamer so I'd buy a cheap ass mic with bad quality because its funny

>>533451228
If you're going cheap, whether because you're a cheapskate or for the gimmick, I'd recommend you get one of those head worn mics, with the metal wire that goes behind your head and sits on your ears kinda like a headset. Lets you have the headset experience by just wearing proper headphones overtop. You can get them dirt cheap. Just be aware that the wire will most likely be way too short, so you might need an extension.
It's also your best bet for the authentic xbox live experience, especially when you turn up the sensitivity and eat the mic for maximum crunchiness.
I'm not sure how actually audible CHEAP clip-on mics are (that go on your collar or headphone cord).

>>533451576
I own a bump helmet with a PVS-14 monocular built from a milirary surplus night vision intensifyer and active hearing protection that can block gunfire, my setup is like this but woodland camo.
So yeah maybe when I play as veteran I can wear that and stick the mic on for more larping and use bluetooth earbuds under them

>>533452114
kek based autist
I wouldn't recommend bluetooth audio for gaming basically ever, because it's slow as molasses and you'll have at least 100ms latency, likely twice as much, which makes shooters unplayably jarring. Wired earbuds should be fine even under the earmuffs tho.

>>533452331
Or I could turn my peltors on
>Active hearing protection devices utilize electronic components to actively manage and adjust to surrounding noise levels. They typically feature microphones that capture ambient sound, electronic circuitry to process that sound, and speakers that transmit the processed sound to the user's ears. This technology allows users to hear important sounds like speech and warnings while simultaneously suppressing harmful, loud noises.
That was google ai explaining how it works, seems like a waste of batteries I reckon.

>>533347002 (OP)
what's the best cata quickplay build for kerillian?

>>533454351
Waystalker and ult spam is the only way I'd put up with playing elf cunt

>>533451189
dodges aren't great on either, shield is slower for sure but both aren't super fast. For mobility on arbys you probably want a tac axe, but arbys can hold his ground really well so both those weapons fit him nicely. Mace only may have five dodges while shield only has four? I'm not in game so i can't check at the moment

>>533450915
>>533451576
>>533452114
>>533452331
Where can I acquire these

>>533455487
If you're asking for cheap head or clip-on mics, check the scummiest borderline scam website that delivers to you. Amazon and Temu are good places to start. I got a handful of those shitty head wire mics at $3 for two.
No clue about the military autism.

>guy talks in VC frequently
>i can't understand anything
He probably wonders why nobody does what he wants

Highest brow weapons for each class
>arbites
Shield and maul
>ogryn
Branx pickaxe
>zealot
Relic blade
>psyker
Greatsword
>veteran
Shovel

holy shit cata vermintide2 is fucking dogshit if you dont have a weapon that can oneshot armored enemies

>>533461169
It's just a dogshit game in general
Thank The Emperor for Darktide

>>533461169
I don't remember it being bad. I tried some solo+bots Cata runs back when I was winning all my solo+bot Legend games. Unfortunately, the bots all die rather easily in Cata, and I'm not good enough at that game to truly solo or keep such occurrences from happening. But before reaching that point, Cata feels perfectly fine.

>>533461169
>legend hero took the leap and ate shit on landing
Cataclysm exists entirely because of the power creep that makes one-shotting everything possible.

>>533460834
>no objections
I figured you would all agree

>>533460834
All of these are my most used weapons for those classes, although I've recently found myself using knife on veteran and psyker more, mostly for the mobility on ranged focused builds that only those two classes can really get away with.

>>533460834
>>533467994
All of those except the shovel are new weapons that were made after the previous combat director left

Let that sink in

>>533468262
>Let that sink in
ok

>slopping it up on KF3 got a free key
>reading the forums for some laughs during the longass buggy queue
>tranner arguing in the forums with his superiority complex on full display again
take him back, please, i dont need this soulless shit to be even worse

>>533469684
>take him back
The coopg community is one community

I hope we get a new axe with BM at some point. Somethhing faster than combat axes but slower than tactical axes, preferably with a shield

i hate when devs add stupid pointless achievements like this
>hurr durr jump through a flaming hoop while sucking your own dick, then land with your left foot on a pox hound and right foot in a steaming pile of shit
yeah a real challenge innit

>>533472020
Spend more time worrying about the rape gangs and censorship

>>533472020
Anon this achievement is piss easy, what are you sperging out over? Open up the corruptor and nade it. The only gay part about it is that it's an obvious novelty/joke achievement that you have to go out of your way to play stupid for, but a single grenade box to pop a corruptor isn't much of a sacrifice to make either.

>>533472415
it's retarded. it's not an achievement.

>>533472541
You just got the Whiny Little Faggot Achievement

>>533470915
Please bro, you keep him in DT while i level Firebug and i'll keep him afterwards, just get this homo out of my HoE queue for now

>>533473128

>>533468410
>letting sinkers into your home
You only have yourself to blame for what happens next

>>533474376
Hope he doesn't have any daughters in the house

Did anyone expect crit arbites? Huh? What CAN'T these guys do???

>>533478932
>Did anyone expect crit arbites
What? I have looked at the talent tree, yes, if that's what you're asking

>>533399808
You play through the whole campaign with NPCs, then you go play online with randoms who pick whatever mission they want to play.

Unlike Darktide it doesn't waste your time with bullshit like leveling or RPG mechanics.

>>533479158
Crazy stuff

>>533472020
I genuinely, honestly, think people like you who chase these things should be put in mental asylums. The lack of any self respect to actually engage in that type of """content""" puts you below people who throw money at twitch girls.

>533479937
Kill yourself, rng troon

>>533480079
Sorry meant for >>533479937 im new here and don't know how to reply also im trans

>533480250
Rng troon didn't like getting called out like that lmao

>>533480347
Sorry again I am trans and don't know how to reply meant for >>533480250

Not even gonna bother parsing this autism. All I'll say is that ahievementfagging is gay unless the achievements give you something

>533480415
Trannypots loot pedo continuing the pattern of picking one post and repeating it over and over again with slight alterations

>>533480507
It gives them a sense of validation they never got from having parents, only orphans and gays who got excommunicated from their parents would do something for nothing but a pat on the back

>533480712
Reminds of when the rng troon makes retarded and obnoxious posts in increasingly desperate attempts to get the kind of attention from internet strangers that xe couldn't get from xir parents

>>533480558
>no reply
You KNOW this one struck a nerve with the discord pedo

>>533481120
>>533480912
>>533480558
All me also im trans

>533481685
Bro is desperate to redeem himself after getting btfo'd

>>533481954
Its ok anon, we validate you

>trannypot's strongest warrior gets btfo'd by random 4channers every single time he starts acting uppity
Humilation fetish

>533482493
>discord tranny's grooming instinct is so strong that he literally can't contain it

>>533434589
>>533439619
>tfw your arbeetus name is a boomer enough reference that no one gets it

>>533484275
That also means that no one appreciates it

>>533484314
one of these days someone's gonna "get" it and then I'm gonna be like "hell yeah"

>>533484314
But anon appreciates it

>>533484314
Good point. Very poignant.

>>533460834
i want to disagree but i can't

>>533460834
that's all fine and well but aren't you forgetting something?
>helbore stab

>>533487561
The hecksnore is too simplistic

any news ?

>>533490595
Vermintide just reached end of service

>>533490595
The nation calls

>>533420942
because it's the most used ability
and they are too stupid to count staggered enemies instead of kills

>>533472020
Yes, they should remove all achievements and only add one to kill 6 million chaos spawns

a vermintide III announcement just flew over my house

>>533460834
I really like the kourk knife for orgyn, its easily my favorite and most used, I just wish the overhead head had a bit more carapace damage and I would legitimately never stop using it. That being said branx is honestly really fucking good and feels intuitive, at this point it's just a better slower kourk.

>>533492382
Vermintide III: The Age of Sigmar.
Powered by Unreal 5.

>>533495459

>>533495459
With custom characters.

>>533434589
>Not naming and dressing yourself after the kill team equivalent miniature for your loadout / fashion
GW disapproves

>>533495459
>mfw the snake ladies are order aligned in age of shitmar

dead games
dead genre

>>533501135
Please look forward to the next cosmetic shop rotation!

>>533501135
>>533501418
*squee*
One more week, piggers
*oink oink*

holy fucking shit darktide feels 100000000000000000000000000% better than space marine 2. What the genuine FUCK is wrong that game, dude?

>>533503756
Yep. A lot of games become terrible once you get used to darktide

>>533503756
Just like SM1, you're supposed to play it for like 10 hours and then get bored of it because it's a shallow piece of shit, and when someone mentions it on 4chan 7 years later you think "damn that game was awesome" when it actually never was

>>533434589
I named my Arby Alistair and the dog Barkspawn.

>>533434589

>>533500864
GIVE US THE FLAIL AND THE GRENADE LAUNCHER

>>533507046
Dude those are electro-shackles, not a flail.

>havoc 40
>slide chain into 6 different gunners with ease, no problem with gunners
>Its always the lone single dreg basic gun mob with nothing else around him that instantly rapes me apeshit sicco mode and tears me a new one and calls me his new bitch out of nowhere

>>533508348
when you say gunners do you mean shooters and stalkers (regular rank and file gun or lasgun-armed troopers) or do you mean actual taggable gunners armed with heavy stubbers and hotshot volley guns?

>>533508542
taggable gunners, those never give me much trouble at all even on high havoc.

>>533508981
im incompetent and unskilled and thusly die to them all the time, myself

gimme melta guns uhhhh power fists instead

I AM THE ANGRIEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED, I just wanted the excise vault martyr skull and this illitirate pajeet retard will not stand on the other elevator, I have text chatted, voice chatted, pinged the other elevator 500 times, 2 player puzzles were a fucking mistake, why can't I order a bot to stand on this fucking thing?!

>>533508283
Well give us the electro-shackles, then!

>>533510474
Let's do it right now. Post an invite.

>>533511126
eh, I'm mid level, got in here on an uprising by myself so I thought I'd see if I can solo the quick work penance

>>533511303
Pretty sure the timing window is too narrow, but you might be able to do it with 2 players.
Quit out, post a link. If the mission runs out we can just mmt it.

I think I'll go wit the cool shades.

I've changed what my favorite class is a lot recently, but I think I've settled on psyker being my favorite. I would not want to be a psyker if I lived in 40k and I never play psykers in the ttrpg's but I like the squishy wizard playstyle in this game and I like protecting my team mates with my bubble.

>>533511375
Gotta be honest, the social system of this game fucking confounds me and I've only ever used steam invites with actual steam friends, how the fuck do I post a link that'll get you in my squad?

>>533511767
ESC, Social, [E] Find Player, click your friend code to copy it, then paste it here.

>>533511852
ah, 9388421302

>>533511397
those shades remind me of a shitty pajeet scampaign

>3rd person mode
guess ill have to buy arbiters coat now, his basic armor looks like poo

>>533515081
>enable 3rd person
>miss every attempt at hitting weakpoints
>soulguilt becomes a dead skill

>>533516318
>soulguilt
Ackshually overhead swings and being 1m away from the enemy makes weakspots possible albeit unreliable. I had no trouble whatsoever on the vet so doubt this will be different. Not like arbiter needs it anyway since he can 4-5 shot crushers with just bodyblows anyway on auric difficulty. But yeah its not the easiest task. If i wanted cosnsitency i would need to aim all the way upwards while basically hugging the enemy so you are partially right, its cumbersome to do headshots but survivability shoots through the roof which is a good tradeoff for me

>>533495459
poor fool

>>533516640
>but survivability shoots through the roof
3rd person is easier to play if you're bad, and harder to play if you're good. The things it makes easier are a skill issue, the things it makes harder are clunky 3rd person jank. I'd advise against using it as a crutch, but it's fine as a novelty.
The only argument in favor is maybe hacking it to zoom really far out or something, but even then the tradeoffs are crippling. I can only imagine it being useful with an easily accessible toggle to flick it off when you need to actually kill things good, and having to press a button for it is more micro management than it's worth.

>>533516915
its great, im having a blast, it comes with some tradeoffs thats true but being able to see ground threats and enemies around you gives in my case a good tactical advantage and my survival shot through the roof but ive also seen people on reddit shitting on it saying it makes the game harder as you descirbed. Honestly, doesnt bother me in any way. seeing the cosmetics alone is a huge plus. Anyway guess its a matter of preference

votekick the chink,
barrelkill the slavnig,
mock the pajeet

Anyone have havocs they want to run? Doesn't matter what level, I need like 6 more mission assists for my 50 assist mission penance for the black helmet

>>533518306
which serv

>>533519009
I'm in NA, but if you're hosting it shouldn't matter too much. I used to play with an aus friend and barely noticed anything other than dogs being a little janky to dodge without pushing.

>>533519516
am yuro.

i have boughted ze cozmetic

>>533520881
did you squeal in joy?

>>533520881

When is the slopshop rotation?

>>533520964
>>533521157
yes, i hope master fatshark iz happy

>Veteran pug
>Shouts once
>keeps flailing around with the saber
>Shoots his bolter once
>Eats shit 95% of the match

Why the fuck are people so stupid. Towards the end of the map nobody even bothered saving him anymore. We didn't even free him when we extracted.

I earned my rank 40 from a carnival map and I'm not ashamed to admit it

>>533492293
too high
bring it down to a more reasonable number
250k sounds good!

>>533495459
Stop saying this.

>>533504159
>>533503756
SM1 at least had you feeling like a self sufficient super soldier with the regenerative attacks you could deal within a time frame. SM2 is reduced to parrying and rolling because the developers seemingly forgot what fantasy they were supposed to be appealing to

>>533511397
>>533512231
they aren’t shades it’s literally a metal band

>>533525441
i feel called out
in my defense, in some matches i perform reasonably well. Its only when classes designed to initiate combat and progress dont do their jobs that i start eating shit by advancing forward .

some of you guys are alright

>>533518306
I could do some, you still on? Its in like the Havok 29 region

>>533532089
based

is there a mod or a setting that fixes the ogryn grenade and rumbler stutter?
Just played with 3 ogryns and it was unplayable

>>533534817
i saw someone say turning off NVidia low latency helps with the stutter but its still there, just not as bad

I hate brainburst and I'm really glad I got the relevant achievement in a single match.

I like both of the other options about equally, but I've been using smite today because the groups of infested armor enemies usually spawn grouped up for it.

luv me bubble
luv me blaze force sword
Simple as.

>get pounced by a dog
>teammates lose all braincells and just don't shoot it, leading to us wiping because the remaining players decide to go for the objective instead of reviving first
I don't understand. They were doing so well and pulling their weight throughout the entire level and then this happens. It's like they were replaced with brand new players.

>>533532089

>>533537035
you'll come around to BB once you start playing high difficulties

>>533539495
NTA
>Use it in havoc
>Takes 2 or more bursts to kill an enemy
Worst blitz in the game

>>533540007
I pray for your teammates

>>533536353
okay thank i turned it off

>>533532089
kek what the fuck is "ToT"

>even the game calls psykers leeches

>>533541698
UOHHHHH ToT

>>533540007
brain burst is unfortunately a tax for taking psykinetic's aura. at least you can get the passive brain burst procs off cooldown when using the inferno staff
otherwise it's not even worth channeling unless your team is REALLY bad at sniping specials and leave that one god damn sniper alive for minutes at a time

>>533544417
flayer triggers from soulblaze you know, it's free damage

>>533544535
...that's what I just said in my post

>>533544848
oh you think purg is the only source of soulblaze never mind then carry on

>>533545292
it's not but it might as well be, because if you're using a different psyker staff you're getting kicked the fuck out of my lobby

>>533545723
no wonder everyone here hates psykers in their havocs, they must be running into absolute shitters like you

>>533545846
He's right you know

>>533545846
this is an awesome post because it's completely contrary to the reality where everyone is desperate for psyker and bubble shield in havocs

>>533546490
yeah, they're desperate for a good psyker (me), but then they get retards like >>533545723 and >>533540007

>>533545846
yeah inferno shitter should use a real staff, like the voidstrike.

thankfully >>533545723 posted a video of his gameplay up here >>533368142

>>533546698
>>533546654
Voidshitter took this one personally

Can someone tell me what's good about BB? I find it good in niche scenarios, where you are safe and just used a skill for faster charge-times if you put points into it. How is the passive chance to trigger it? Never really tried that talent.

>>533546698
>>533548865
Is there anything wrong with Void-strike? To me it feels incredible for stacked hordes and knocking ogryns and ragers on their ass.

>>533550379
>Is there anything wrong with Void-strike?
Imagine 6 million enemies in one room
A voidstrike will hit a few of them
A flame staff will hit ALL of them

>>533550659
Mb I meant the Void-blast. That's the one with a big circle right?

>>533550838
voidblast is strong but requires actual mechanical skill to do its animation cancels after every single attack as well as actual aim to get the center of the blast on target, i've never seen a good voidblast staff user online ever
if you can't do both the animation cancel and excellent aim on every attack then you're just a mediocre stagger machine that does no damage because of sharp falloff

>>533550379
the only thing wrong with the voidstrike is that it's not the inferno staff or the voidblast. it's perfectly viable and a potent weapon if you decide to put the effort into learning and mastering it.
>>533550838
voidblast is as good as the inferno staff, probably better if you actually try to put effort into being good at the weapon and learning all its tech instead of letting the staff play the game for you like most inferno shitters

>it's another team is running in 6 different directions while fighting impalers episode

/OURTROON/ with another banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N40U7Tr7L0

>>533551914
i take the troon over estrogen every time of the day. Why did you bully him

>>533539383
>>533540007
>>533532089
>>533543673
ur so cute…

>>533552474
textbook false dichotomy

>>533553509
>false dichotomy
empty words presented by a coward

>>533553809
>why did you get rid of tanner, now we have to pick mr e!
>you could just not follow any trooned out faggot e-celebs
>empty words!!!
must suck being a retarded dickrider AND illiterate

>>533554550
You just cock slapped that niggà

How do i search for more coop games like darktide and this one
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3140620/CAST_CHERNOZEM_ANOMALY_STRIKE_TEAM/
I tok the tag action, online coop and under 10 bucks but all i find is shitty hide from an enemy non combat games. I just want a chill shooter with some rpg elements to play with other people.

auric memestorm is the hardest difficulty because you have so solo it

>>533554550
and retarded to boot. You tell me not to engage with e celebs while symultaniously engaging in talking about e celebs with me and the other anon, shitting out half assed arguments like hurr durr watch some nooname ones.
Tanner did a good job, you are a buch of discord lapdogs

Are there any other decent Veteran guns for havoc 40? Plasma is bis clearly, recon is alright. Outside of those two the other guns seriously underperform in havoc. It is a bit frustrating how flaws are exposed in havoc. There is only a handful of weapons that can pull their weight.

>>533555672
Boltgun is good, Helbore is really good

>5495 penis points
I can smell it

>>533555620
Inauthentic
Trying too hard
Dumb as fuck

>>533556094
SEX LIPS

>>533556105
mindbroken by a dude in a dress
run back to your discord and tell your friends about this

>>533359506
Why the fuck would the Ogryn know that?

>>533347223
What upsets me is the buff bar with the buffs shuffling around all over the fucking place. If there is a specific buff whose status is significant enough for me to want to give a damn about it in terms of my decision making, then I want it to be more prominent and have its status displayed in a consistently static part of the screen.

>>533557662
who even looks at their buffs besides siphon/emp charges?

>>533556776
Ok, tranny lover

>>533557783
I don't know. I haven't played in a while. I hate how FS made a system with a billion buffs that last for 2 seconds each, which just leads to brainless spammy play. I only remember giving a significant fuck about two buffs. The first was disrupt destiny stacks because if I had more than a certain number then an Assail knife could OHKO a fire bomber guy. The second buff was making sure that Until Death was off cooldown for zealot.

I just made due with the default UI, but if I were to go full retard with modding the UI then I'd hide the noise of the nothingburger buffs and make the significant ones prominent.

>>533354974
>theres also much more emphasis on playing as a TEAM and SKILL rather than watching the carries jack off because their numerical value is obscene, and that doesnt appeal to a lot of people
This is why I hated most MOBAs. In practice 99.9% of the time I will be playing with random PUGs, and I don't want to deal any of the following with PUGs.
>teammates holding the match hostage. Demanding that THEY will carry mid or else they'll feed the whole match
>Last hits? Gold? XP? You need to prostrate yourself and give them all to the carry.
>The pittance of gold that you manage to accumulate anyway? You can't spend that on a cool item like the carries do. You need to spend every cent on wards to help the carry see if he's in danger. MAYBE you can get some boots.
Support/healing roles can be engaging and make you feel like the MvP, but in most mobas it just feels like you're the cuck who's suffering so that the carry can have fun.

HOTS had its flaws and came to the scene too late, but the rewards being cumulative to the whole team really went a long way towards cutting back on infighting amidst your own teammates. I enjoyed playing a bunch of different characters. DPS, support, tank. They all scratched different itches. Even weird shit like Abathur being sort of omni-present farming XP everywhere and buffing teammates any where at any time. I loved Alarak's voice actor and what he contributed with his announcer pack.
>>533360203
For me I'm sad that the game never received an Arcturus Mengsk announcer.

>>533555620
>you told me to stfu about e-celebs, looks like you're talking about e-celebs too
crazy how hard you're trying

>>533360203
it did get a singular new skin recently

>>533561027
The thing I like most about hots and keeps me coming back every so often to play with a couple friends is how games are 15 mins avg. I used to play dota but at some point those niggered 110 minute games where neither team wants to fucking end it is absolute torture, and pisses away your whole evening
And believe it or not, I'm not talking about close games. I've had absolute stomps take nearly 2 hours because people wouldn't just get in the enemy base

>>533347223
No you see if you don't like playing H40 with randoms it's actually because you're personally bad, it's got nothing to do with these retarded teams just folding the moment they dont have 2 choruses going

>>533562278
For me I mostly just stuck to casual bot stomps. I found it kind of cathartic to turn my brain off and go through the motions. Although I wish that the bots would have had harder difficulties that stacked the deck in their favor a bit.

>>533561082
>hurr durr i took part of a discussion i dont like and now im mad
keep seething mr erectile dysfunction, your content is garbage

>>533445463
>image
Holy sovl…….

>>533563013
>still can't stop talking about e-celebs
you are broken

>>533552942

>>533509705
I’m going to power fist your melta gun faggot

>>533517551
Wise words to live by.

>>533445463
The utility provided is the insanely overpowered ability to stay alive and kill everything, which, in case you didn't know, are the most useful utilities in a game where the ultimate goal is to stay alive and kill everything.

>>533445463
People said the same thing about Ogryn since forever
the reality is htat your inability to play the game without gold toughness or gamebreaking CDR is not "lack of support" it's you being too shit to meet the skill floor for Havoc

>>533555672
las pistol

The hound won't trouble us now,
THE HOUND WON'T TROUBLE US NOW.

>>533568273
Is this line actually two different takes from the voice actor that they forgot to clean up?

>>533568273
when they patch this do you think they'll keep take 1 or 2

>>533568273
>>533568920
>>533570024
It’s not a glitch. He’s just making sure everyone heard him. The sound of guns firing and monstrosities screaming in your ears tends to be pretty deafening. Very considerate.

>>533568920
it probably was and they kept it because it sounds pretty good like that

>>533567521
NTA but
>the reality is htat your inability to play the game without gold toughness or gamebreaking CDR is not "lack of support" it's you being too shit to meet the skill floor for Havoc
as much as I would like for this to be true, it simply isn't.
I might personally do fine without cuck bubble and piss toughness, but that doesn't mean the 3 randos on my team will. And I'm not delusional enough to think I can just solo havoc 40, because unlike at least half this general, I've actually played it, and there's virtually no way to have enough DPS, so the only option is to do twelve courses of HRT and run past everything.

I'll still take the arbitrator over a chorus zealot because the average chorus zealot is SO FUCKING RETARDED HOLY SHIT.

>>533574789
>the average chorus zealot is SO FUCKING RETARDED HOLY SHIT
How so? It hasn't seemed terribly complicated whenever I've played it, but this makes me wonder if I am the retard. What are people doing wrong?

>>533574965
>What are people doing wrong
Using chorus at the absolute most inopportune time, or not using it at all.

>>533574965
>What are people doing wrong?
Playing bad and not using chorus. Most of them use bad builds (all the damage nodes, sacrificing most support nodes, no chorus upgrade, no BP upgrade), virtually none of them use an actually good health build, most of them deal less damage with all the damage nodes than I do as pure support zealot with my flamer.
A chorus zealot should singlehandedly function as wipe prevention, yet these retards are often the first to go down and don't use chorus often enough, in part because their retarded builds don't offer cdr where it matters.

>>533575258
Oh, that's silly then. Although to be honest, the only real differences are the ability subnodes and Martyr's Purpose, and it's mostly just MP that'll have a noticeable impact. Not using Chorus often is supremely retarded though

>>533555672
use volley fire and you can use almost any gun

>>533575258
*choruses as soon as everyone steps into elevator*
Have a safe ride :)

>>533576127
If I see another veteran in my Havocs with Volley Fire I will get an aneurysm. And I'm not talking about Executioner's Stance I mean bloody damn no talent Volley Fire popping up in the lobby.

>>533555672
Bolter is great and your best anti-boss but it's really, really bad at ammo efficiency. Helbore is hard to use but does literally everything well except clearing hordes.

>>533574965
>>533576114
zealot is extremely easy to play outside of havoc because its survivability and damage are good enough there for basically anything
once you hit high havoc the 15% toughness on dodge is no longer good enough for you to frontline ignorantly and your weapons outside of relic blade and flamer are going to be pretty unimpressive for crowd control and boss/elite killing, and relic blade is way way worse without fury
even if you go full CDR with knife and spam chorus you'll still be a bit of a liability when it comes to gunners and specials hammering you down
basically zealot players are carried retards who just don't do enough

>>533576829
This. And the worst part about Chorus is that you are literally just Chorus. You lose about half of your damage output compared to if you used FOTF with literally any weapon.

>>533576719
time for some comfy havoc gaming

>>533576114
>the only real differences
There's more to it.
The damage cope builds always play far too aggressively and then get punished for it, or forced to use chorus selfishly but then have no way of getting enough cdr to use it for support.
The damage cope builds toughnessmaxx, which gives them exactly one chance to fuck up and then not again while Until Death cools down, during which time they have like 10 health tops. This makes them terrible at wipe prevention.
Many damage cope builds run backstab cdr (THANKS MISTER ESTROGEN, YOU FUCKING FAGGOT) which is peak theorycraftsissy because it's virtually impossible to get to trigger when you actually need it, making them even more useless at wipe prevention.
The lack of BP upgrades is kind of a big deal, because one of them is 25% toughness damage reduction, yet they toughnessmaxx?? I also think not taking the +10% team crit aura is retarded unless you have 2 ogryns for some stupid reason.
Not taking a chorus upgrade is definitely fucking retarded. +30% damage is strong. Yes, the 40% TDR are also very good, I wouldn't underestimate it.
Not taking purity aura just so you can take a couple damage nodes to deal +100k melee damage when most of it is your flamer anyway, is fucking retarded. Purity prevents deaths to corruption chip.
Knives are good, but if you need them to use your flamer, you need to leave havoc and not come back. Look at how many shitters here whine about rituals modifier, while immolation grenades let you solo that shit. They're insanely strong, as is Restoring Faith right above.

Damage zealot is good! Better than arbitrator! But please for the love of fuck stop trying to force chorus on it. Just get a second zealot and run stealth for fuck's sake.

>>533577038
>impossible to get to trigger when you actually need it
your taunt Ogryn?

>>533577157
>your taunt Ogryn?
Dead because he's a carried retard that didn't pull out his rumbler
Got separated from the team because he's a carried retard
Doesn't know jack shit about positioning because he's a retard
Backstab memes don't function when shit hits the fan. If you literally physically rely on another player doing their job, you're not preventing wipes, because your retards will inevitably fuck up.

>>533576719
lel well I meant executioners stance. If your team is competent and doesnt need shout its better

>>533574789
Yeah the average 3 randos don't meet the skill floor for havoc, it is known

>>533576968

>>533577386
True. Which is why playing chorus is retarded and a meme and you'd do better to play with fury or stealth instead, but people that play chorus are retarded by nature so it's hopeless.

>>533574789
>run past everything
this is how I know you haven't actually played havoc because eventually the 8 bosses catch up to you in a forced data interrogator event.

>>533563874
you dont decide who or what im talking about your rat human hybrid.

>>533577826
why do zoomers love this soulless duck so much, what is it even from

>>533577746
It's so disturbing to me tho.
Most veterans I accept are usually fine players at worst, and many of them are good.
Many psykers I accept are also fine. The autistic ones that refuse to leave their bubble are annoying, but they're balanced out by literal god gamers carrying the entire team when you keep them safe.
Ogryn and arbitrators are easily filtered by their builds, which is sad because that requires a mod, but whatever.
Zealots though? Virtually all chorus zealots are just completely useless and make me wonder why they're even at h40. It's not even that hard to play, you just need to stop coping about damage and pay attention.

>>533577859
Cute bait, here's your (You) havoclet

>>533578306
>>533574789
What's the CDR maxxed chorus setup?

>>533578405
3 health curios, cdr and gunner resist, one revive speed, one corruption res.
Yes, you take damage for cdr. No, you don't necessarily have to force it. You WILL take damage when shit hits the fan anyway.
Watch all the hardstuckies throw a fit over the +2 wounds node because they don't understand its application as if there were anywhere else to put that point, it's always so funny to me.

>>533578737
You better be hosting cuz anyone who sees that is hitting decline

>>533579031
I'm getting accepted in virtually every application and then have some asshole glazing me just because I pick up stimms and use them on others. Half my friends list is people adding me to play havoc with. Anyone who doesn't see why this build is superior, doesn't even play h40, and evidently neither do you.

>>533579242
>I'm getting accepted in virtually every-
Declined. I needs me a rumbler ogryn rn

>>533579242
are you the irish guy by any chance I swear I played with you the other day

>>533578737
is this the naked guy

>>533579924
No, I haven't played that much havoc in the recent couple weeks, I've been busy with other stuff and only had time to play at the most accursed of hours.
I did meet some insanely based Irish dude yelling on mic too though.

>>533580051
No I play fem agitator in inquisitor piggy robes.

>>533578737
Jesus man this is just sad

>Enter Mortis trials
>Veteran brings stealth and Helbore-Lasgun
What a fucking faggot

>>533580262
I've run a pretty similar setup but with Duelist instead of +2 wounds. It's good with a DS since the extra damage from SA is pretty unnecessary.

>>533578186
You’re rambling about young people again gramps let’s get you to bed

>>533581337
>same
also
>marks 1 target per second
just fix your mod man. 1 target every 5 seconds and dont allow to retarget is absolutely enough

>>533581767
>just fix your mod man. 1 target every 5 seconds and dont allow to retarget is absolutely enough

huh? Was that meant for someone else bwo?

>>533581337
We all love infinite ammo executioner's stance but team stealth is fun too.

>>533582015
the dude i played with was also hellboar stealth retard but he was targeting elite 1 elite per second so it basicly jumped hence and forth betweem them. My take is that his mod wasnt configured correctly

>>533582564
oh. That sounds annoying as hell. I keep forgetting that people actually use mods. The guy in my game would do one or the other, Stay all the way back and snipe nothing, until he eventually faces a single rager and promptly dies. Or run away to god knows where and die for no reason. Some random Zealot decided to just keep eating shit anywhere but on the objectives for some reason.

It's gotten really annoying just how many shitters there in in Damnation. Why don't these people stay in a lower difficulty until they have just a minor clue about what they are doing. Like I don't get how dragging your whole team down and always being the weakest link is fun?

It's not like I am a fantastic player myself, and I still haven't tried out Auric since I still die to stupid mistakes at times. Earlier today I ran a map with the rotten mobs, and people just couldn't handle them for some reason? I basically had to solo several waves of them while trying to get the retards back on their feet... I feel like randoms has gotten noticeably worse these last two weeks...

>>533583424
>Why don't these people stay in a lower difficulty until they have just a minor clue about what they are doing
Same issue as always in these games, the lower difficulties are so easy they don't teach you anything at all.
If someone's not interested in improving they could play a thousand games of heresy without getting any better.

>>533583424
auric is filled with shitters too, it's gotten so much worse since the mission board update. I guess the old ui where you had to switch to the auric board to see it was enough friction to keep the absolute retards out

>>533583868
before it was presented as an alternate challenge mode and now it's presented as the highest difficulty

>>533583424
>It's gotten really annoying just how many shitters there in in Damnation.
Anyone comfortable enough to play in auric, moves on to auric, to escape the ultra tards in damnation.
>Why don't these people stay in a lower difficulty until they have just a minor clue about what they are doing
Because users will always take the most retarded possible course of action, and the game lets them. In fact, the new difficulty unlock system indirectly encourages players to move on to the next difficulty once they filled their progress bar, because it implies they're "ready" for it.
>Like I don't get how dragging your whole team down and always being the weakest link is fun?
The sheer saturation of tards make them think it's normal to die upwards of 3 times per game, because there's usually two of them. Then they call out your SICK CLUTCH DUDE when you bash down a small mixed horde that only has ragers and shotgunners in it.
>Earlier today I ran a map with the rotten mobs, and people just couldn't handle them for some reason?
They seem to be obscenely tanky against ranged weapon fire, so the usual shitter strat of bolter magdump and plasma spam doesn't work, you're supposed to melee them. Most retards fold the instant they have to melee more than 1 enemy.

>>533584030
>In fact, the new difficulty unlock system indirectly encourages players to move on to the next difficulty once they filled their progress bar, because it implies they're "ready" for it.
This is the worst part contributing to it I think. More over the shitty gated system also ruines the fun of ironman new character runs where you now have to slog through boring shitass difficulties and the board ui looks so much worse than it used to. If they hadn't released arbies simultaneously to the free update everyone would have been shouting about how utterly dogshit it is, they literally made everything worse.

>>533583424
i look like that

I'm at the gym
Link me some darktide ost to lift to

>overkill damage as high as second highest player's real damage
Show this to fatshark. We need nerfs and we need them fast

>>533587110
I'm pulling you into a game in 10 if you're still around after I finish my smoke. Don't queue another.

>>533586873
I definitely feel like I’ve seen this OC before

>>533590089
Just saw this post now

>>533587110
No thanks nerftranny.

>>533397487

>>533446052
>Shout/Chorus players that just never ever fucking use them at any point no matter how dire the circumstances
I will never understand this especially as a Vet player. You get a 20 second cool down with the ability to make it even shorter if you kill Elites/Specials. It knocks down humans, staggers everything else, and gives you and your team Gold toughness. I was spamming the shit out of it every time I could.
>Ambushing a group of Gunners
Shout
>Team about to enter a big fight
Shout
>Someone grabbed
Shout
It's that easy

>>533593538
don't forget
>someone down
1 revive speed curio lets you get them up before getting whacked

>>533583424
this is the reason why i just stay and aurics and dont do havoc. I set a goal that until i can completely carry my mates and myself through it solo i wont touch havoc. Until now i only managed to have some sort of control with arbiter, i want to get on that level with vet or other classes but for now i just grind gay points for the cosmetic unlock and weapon mastery. When im done with that and hopefully found a good weapon setup im comfortable with i will proceed to havoc. Not that i care about my teammates THAT much, i just want to feel comfortable in my role first to not blame myself when things go south

I use my vet shout to make sure crushers land on my krak grenade :3

how do i even navigate the source code. For example i want to read the peril value and do something when its reached. What am i even looking for in thei myriad of files. i dont even know what a lua is, isnt there a tutorial video or something

>>533604106
First you need to take these pills that will turn you into a girl

>>533605334
i think im so woman brained im too dumb for coding but i want to try it anyway

I listened to wave glider and set a new PR for odd grip deadhangs, asked chatgpt what lifts to do and I'm still pretty sore. Couldn't do as much pull-ups as I could when I was lightweight now I'm a middleweight but at least I punch things harder and lift heavier pieces of metal.
https://youtu.be/4-LklISf7Bc?si=-904q33oqY0J-rMg

So how was your day, anon?

>>533606032
>asked chatgpt what lifts to do
Lol. Get a real strength program, pajeet

>>533606032
>planet shitness
for real anon?

>>533606032
This is not your blog.

>>533606032
I recognize this machine. I know this gym. You're done for now. Tactical nuke incoming

>>533606032
>odd grip deadhangs
>I want to train my grip but not too much
lmao
dyels come up with the funniest shit

>h30
>drop down
>oh here's the twins, a plague ogryn and a host and a horde :)

>>533612764
lost the RNG war

>>533578737
>no scourge
>no second wind
Shitter build.

>>533591324
It's just zealot with that knight armor looking chest piece.

>>533587110
>no highest steam score
Shitter.

>>533614890
Not really. Havoc works differently than Aurics, especially if you're a Chorus build. Chorus build mostly does two things: relic holding or flaming. You still melee, of course, but it's not as much of a focus. You can't take Beacon and Martyr's Purpose without having to choose between Knives and Flame Grenades and their respective trees, and MP is indeed a very handy pick for Chorus Zealot. Flame Grenades can help out a lot, and if everyone else brings regenerating blitzes or is a Psyker, you'll be able to use ~6-12 in a game depending on luck and whether your team looks around even a little bit for resources. When you're pumping out gold toughness, Second Wind becomes not quite as significant, and with so much time either supporting or flaming, Scourge doesn't matter nearly as much, especially when Dueling Sword already does so much damage without critting, so sacrificing Second Wind and Scourge to take flame nades does make sense, especially when so many teams still choose to run a bubble psyker. That and gold toughness source(s) make it much easier to forego Second Wind.

>>533615256
>Not really.
Yes really.
>Havoc works
Same as Aurics. You are just bad at the game and need to hug your friends because you are bad at the game.

>>533615256
It's not even worth engaging with detractors to health chorus. Second Wind is obviously shit in havoc where you're either at 100% or 0 toughness, and Scourge only functions when you actually melee. It's an obvious melee damage build brained retard take. The exact kind of player I don't want playing zealot in my havocs.
>>533615436
See, he just proved he's a retard not worth engaging with. Sit down havoclet.

>>533615436
You clearly don't play havoc so it's really funny just how wrong you are.

>>533615436
(you)

>>533615496
I wouldn't say Second Wind is shit in Havoc. It's still Zealot's best toughness regen node. You're just skint for points because Zealot's tree is outdated as fuck compared to others. That said, I do agree that its value is lower in Havocs

NTA but going "you don't play havoc" every time someone calls out on your megacrutch9000 is really pathetic and shows how far people can go with golden toughness when they really don't deserve to.

>>533615717
Thinking that havoc and auric play the same is proof that the person does not play havoc at all.

>>533615717
He's right, you know

>>533615717
You are probably that anon. It's not about needing or not needing gold toughness. The point is that if you ARE building a Chorus build, then sacrificing stuff from regular, more offensively inclined Zealot builds to better suit the Chorus build is only sensible. It's stupid to hold a support build to the same standards as a pure DPS build. Moreover, claiming that Havoc and Auric play the same is obviously retarded to anyone who's actually played high Havocs and is a significant mark against his credibility.

>>533615640
Lower havocs are basically just aurics with forced spawn triggers and weird modifiers. The standard zealot build is basically optimal in aurics already, so low havoc doesn't really change much.

>>533615717
Unfortunately, anon, this argument exists exclusively in a fantasy world.
I do not need gold toughness.
I do not need bubble.
I do, however, need teammates to not die, because soloing havoc isn't a particularly realistic thing to pull off with any consistency. Even if you can do it in theory, objectives will fuck you up. And I doubt some modifiers are consistently doable at all.
You know what my teammates need to survive?
Gold toughness.

>>533615932
>Lower havocs are basically just aurics with forced spawn triggers and weird modifiers. The standard zealot build is basically optimal in aurics already, so low havoc doesn't really change much.
Nobody cares about low havocs though exactly because of that. Any discussion exclusively referring to havoc is at least referring to H30 (or was it 31? I don't remember) where EFL2 comes into play (and honestly, we're more than likely talking about ~40). The EFL2 Havocs all play fairly similarly to one another because that is the single biggest impact on Havoc difficulty and meta difference. Anything before that doesn't really matter.

>>533616095
30

>>533616142

>>533616095
>Anything before that doesn't really matter.
Yes, I 100% agree, but this general is full of complete and utter sub-humans that think they can even participate in the conversation because they just epic clutched their havoc 24 or whatever, Dunning Krugering so hard that they don't realize they're the reason they're hardstuck in the shitter bracket.

>>533615915
I'd like to point out that, for the sake of opportunity cost, damage zealots have no real reason to exist anymore except stealth. I don't think FotF is necessarily bad, and I don't mind if the second zealot does that, damage zealots are fine, but they're sub-optimal. They're just a lot worse at getting shit done, at least in havoc, than arbitrator is, assuming you already have a support zealot and/or a flame psyker. There's just too much overlap, you don't need another dedicated melee damage dealer. It's just stealth that does something good and unique, with its combined ability to kill bosses quite well, take care of rituals without a sweat, do objectives, and get safe revives off.

>>533578737
this build works surprisingly well
just did two rounds and after initial adjustment i dont feel less tanky than for example a full toughness build on vet. baby rattle is off cooldown when i need it to (when taking damage) and my personal damage doesnt seem to suffer. albeit, i rarely use the flamer since im in aurics with randoms and were splitting most of the time. lot of fun

>>533616450
>There's just too much overlap
Why oh why didn't they consider the overlap? When will they learn?!

>a talent that kills you or a talent that does nothing
I hate how much psykers get taxed

>>533616593
Having played that build since the start of havoc and having only made extremely minor changes since, I'm pretty confident that, for how good it is in havoc, it's dogshit in aurics.
You don't need or want a support build in aurics.
>bringing flamer
Good luck killing the snipers your retards are ignoring. Even the ones you ping for them. A single sniper will down 2 of them.
>chorus on downed ally
GOOD GUY HAS GOT THIS! Better go grab those 20 plasteel!
>chorus on objective
GOOD GUY HAS GOT THIS! Uhh, uhh, magdump a horde of poxwalkers!
>chorus on monstrosity
LMAO we all know your retards didn't bring any unyielding damage.

Chorus is fine, martyr's purpose isn't terrible, and health builds are okay in aurics, but the standard cookie cutter zealot is always going to perform better. Damage is king, when your 3 other retards can barely even keep themselves alive against chaff. You aren't keeping them alive with chorus, they're too retarded for that, and likely chronically spreading out to scour every corner for plasteel.

>>533616750
I forgot

>>533616968
guess ive got lucky with teammates then. Ill run a few more rounds but so far its been fun

>>533616996
Electric mauler

havoc is really really hard guys i need the realasianrobot approved builds to even have a chance of winning

>>533617328
Think it's easy?
It's because people like him are carrying you >>533616450

>>533616450
>Yes, I 100% agree...
True

>I'd like to point out that, for the sake of opportunity cost...
I theoretically agree, but I really can't comment on this too much. I do some casual ~35s to 40s every so often, and I usually either end up playing Relicbitch or another class entirely. I haven't really played around with DPS Zealot builds in high Havocs due to team comps, what other people in the group want (or what they'll even let into the group), and what I feel like I should be doing in a given role etc. What you're talking about is partially WHY I've never really experimented with FOTF Zealot in high havocs. Compared to Ogryn and Arby, it been hard for me to justify going DPS Zealot when I feel like Ogryn or, more recently, Arby would likely get the job done better. Moreover, a second Chorus isn't a bad pick either. That's with FOTF anyway, I tend to dislike running stealth and avoid it like the plague; I have no doubt it's situationally exceptional though. But since it's something I was never fond of in Aurics, I have little experience with it and wouldn't want to bring it to Havoc.

Honestly, I'm not sure if Zealot's weapon selection is the bigger culprit or its talent tree is. Zealot has a lot of shit talent options and no real talent sources of bonus strength (or more niche sources of multiplicative damage) from their tree. And a lot of their weapons are either extremely difficult to use effectively (ie. chain weapons and the TH) in high density/mass/armor scenarios barring lots of CC or are otherwise not good enough to be the main damage source (Catachan, Heavy Sword). Not a fan of Crusher or Knife, so I can't really talk about either of those, but it doesn't leave a ton of options for Zealot. Tac Axe isn't going to kill monsters expediently, which is much more important in Havoc, so that narrows things further. I don't know. I wish my friends played this shit with me so I could dick around and experiment without worrying about being a drag.

>>533617296
interior crusher

>>533616750
>>533616996
>Empyric Resolve
Half-decent talent actually. Never a default pick, but it does exactly what it says on the tin, and the thing it does is good. The drawback only matters if you expect to take damage. With proper team play, this might ass well just not happen. Think: Cuck bubble in havoc with a dedicated bodyguard pissing out toughness.
>Penetration of the Soul
Arguably tax, but if you can consistently remain high peril, 10% rending is a relevant buff to things like soulblaze (psychic fire), and staying between 75-100% peril is really easy with the flame staff anyway.

I also don't like tax nodes as much, and think the ogryn and arbitrator trees are better designed (if very overtuned), but you I don't think psyker tree has it that bad at all.

>>533617610
>second chorus user vs stealth
I've explained this a handful of times before, and I'll explain it again. The idea is that the chorus support (health) zealot plays bodyguard for two extremely high DPS classes built for ranged damage (psyker, veteran) to form a coherent unit of 3 players, while the 4th aggressively dives. FotF can do it, but it's too inflexible compared to stealth, which does it almost as well while doing a bunch of other shit. A lone wolf mine arbitrator might be even better, but a stealth zealot can dive and deal with problems more safely while killing bosses just as fast, if not faster.

I find it difficult to speak on zealot's tree because I've seen all kinds of very diverse setups do really well. I feel like it's mostly zealot players in h40 being utter dogshit (especially most chorus users, it's embarrassing), and flamer carrying the class way too hard.

QRD on psyker staffs? Which ones can I carry with?

>>533617978
>just don't take damage
nah, it's shit and peril generation is hardly an issue anyway
pen is just garbage because you never want to be at critical peril or flayer won't proc unless you autistically track it's cooldown with cheats

>>533618346
>auric
inferno, kill everything, keep team safe
>havoc
voidblast, stagger everything, keeps team safe

>>533618785
>pen is just garbage because you never want to be at critical peril
I'm not even going to explain in-depth why this is stupid and just point out that Warp Nexus exists, though I still think the rending blessing is better.

>>533618346
Flame staff is universally considered to be the most useful. Has the advantage of melting bosses.
Ground pound is much harder to play, but can be more effective. Can't really touch bosses in any way that matters, is absolute suffering in aurics when you have retards that fold to monsters.
Honorable mention goes to shock staff, which is just completely fine, but has unfortunately been power crept and can't keep up with enemy density even in maelstroms.

>>533566903
t.>>533347223
how is staying alive and "killing everything" going to help when you're the last man standing?
there is no team utility in arby that compares even remotely with bubble, shout, taunt and chorus; shit that actually stops your team from crumbling in the first place
the class also lacks the CC/AoE damage, and sniping, the rest of the cast can provide

>>533620386
>dog provides dr and regen
>can explode on cooldown for cc
>arby can stagger things better than ogryn
>or put down a disco ball for big buffs and debuffs
what fucking game are you playing if you think arby has no utility?

>>533620386
>there is no team utility in arby that compares even remotely with bubble, shout, taunt and chorus; shit that actually stops your team from crumbling in the first place
The vast amount of CC that Arby brings does that though. When I run Havocs on my Arby, I like to run
>Shock Mine (nades are great too though) LW
>Maul and Shield
>BTL
That's three separate sources of CC that you can layer and use multiple times (less so with mines, but you can if you're desperate) per engagement. It adds a lot of control to fights, makes initiations smoother, makes rescues smoother, makes 'oh shit' moments smoother, etc. That's not to mention the stagger Arby can bring or the value Nuncio can bring if you choose to forego BTL, and the frontline ability Arby has to act as a bulwark against the horde.

>how is staying alive and "killing everything" going to help when you're the last man standing?
Why strawman? Staying alive, killing, and staggering are the exact things you want out of a frontliner. By your logic, Ogryn is worthless in H40.
>the class also lacks the CC/AoE damage, and sniping, the rest of the cast can provide
AOE sure, but otherwise lol
lmao even

>>533622435
>AOE sure
If you cleavemaxx in the bottom right, you even get decent aoe with the horizontal spread shotgun.
It's just pretty ammo inefficient.

>>533620536
>dog provides dr and regen
7,5% TDR is laughable, regen is good but does it even work consistently with the dog being out of coherency much of the time?
>can explode on cooldown for cc
decent but overrated
>discoball
poor man's bubble in every way
>>533622435
>By your logic, Ogryn is worthless in H40.
no, by virtue of ogryn having taunt, an ability that is multitudes more useful than anything the arby can bring and prevents your team from dying in the first place, the nuke is also one of the best oh shit solutions in the game
arbitrator doesn't act like a bulwark to anything, since the game doesn't throw shit at you in one direction and your BTL can't even stagger bosses.

do tell how the arby shottie outperforms the plasma, the flamer, the rumbler, or purgatus?
arby works great, from an arbitrator player's perspective. but I'll never pick one over the other classes for my havoc 40s

>>533627036
>7,5% TDR is laughable, regen is good but does it even work consistently with the dog being out of coherency much of the time?
You want to look at the buff to the left of that. 20% TDR and 2% toughness/s to everyone in your coherency, the dog just needs to get a kill, which it should constantly be doing.

>>533627746
that's great I forgot about that, but still an inconsistent variable given the dog is out of bounds a lot of the time
arbitrators can be great but I feel at the end of the day, they require smart players and smart teammates to make the most out of it. I had a great mission with two ogryns and two arbies recently
the U4 comp is easy and can basically run on autopilot
something that is better with randoms in my experience

>>533627036
the ball is way better than bubble unless you just need cover from shooters

>>533628651
>given the dog is out of bounds a lot of the time
You don't know how the dog works, stop trying to participate in a conversation you are literally, provably clueless about, retard.

>Tranny fagtubers swear that the tactical nuke sucks and that grenade box or rock is always strictly better
>Meanwhile in actuality everyone I see uses the tactical nuke because the rock fucking sucks at its intended purpose and the box literally does nothing

>>533628750
dayum nigga. go easy on he bish ahh fr

>>533628785
It causes disruption
You should know why that's important

>>533628785
All three ogryn blitzes are useful.

Box is an aoe stun, it's only really good for getting a revive off, but that's a useful niche to fill. It's okay I guess at stunning a horde, but your melee should be doing that.
Rock instagibs mutants, which can be a bitch to dodge on ogryn since their massive grab box easily hits your massive hit box. I don't really consider the rock to have any other use, because that's all I use it for, and it does the job so well that I kind of like it.
Nuke almost solves that problem over there. It loses a lot of power in havoc where most enemies you want to actually kill, survive with like 30% HP, but it does instagib rituals. Decent for getting a revive off, too.

I used nuke for the longest time, but I don't miss it since switching to rock. I would miss rock if I switched off of it, because it's ogryn's fastest swapping weapon for dealing with mutants and the occasional trapper. I never bothered with box because I never felt like I was pressured to stun enemies for a res. Not on ogryn anyway. Just taunt enemies and have someone else do it.

>>533628654
and grenades, and flamers and trappers, and beast of nurgle
>>533628750
how goes chasing the auric storm survivor faggot?
>literally, provably
dumb fuck, right back at you

>>533629148
Anon you are saying that the dog leaving coherency means nobody gets toughness regen, when that is literally false. You are speaking out of your ass. Shut. The fuck. Up.
>auric storm survivor
Nigger I got True Survivor on the first week and you're sitting here typing like you're hardstuck in the 20s. Stop shitting up the thread.

>>533629148
He just destroyed you >>533629227

Care to comment?

>>533629227
funny how you ignore all the valid criticism of the class and latch on to one thing
>true survivor
meaningless title, wouldn't surprise me if you got that by begging on the discord
now explain how the discoball, BTL and dog bomb outperforms anything the rest of the cast can bring in terms of usefulness for the team?

>>533630013
Now you're deflecting and resorting to ad hominems because he btfo'd you

I accept you concession.

>>533630013
I'm not even the guy you originally replied to. I'm just calling you out for being retarded and wrong and not knowing what you're talking about.
>True Survivor
>meaningless
That's how I know you don't play havoc. End of conversation.

He mad

Pathetic

arby's got they dog out of bounds
*smacks lips*

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Any news of the slopshop?