Thread 537819706

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 3400 units, 1100 spells and 400 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them. It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Our pastebin (extremely outdated)
https://pastebin.com/wjbSA98Y

>Steamgroup
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Multiplayer guide
>Blitzserver (game hosting service)
https://blitzserver.net
(Dom 6)
https://beta.blitzserver.net/games
>Llamaserver:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212948582

>Documentation
https://illwinter.com/dom6/docs.html

>Tools
>Mod inspector
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/
>Wiki
https://illwiki.com/
>Pretender calculator
https://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/
https://caleb-distributive.github.io/pretenders-dom6/ (website down?)
>Debug mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3083231618
>Communion fatigue calculator (still dom5)
https://instacalc.com/53495
>Automatically prevent starts in all provinces with less than X connections (still dom5)
https://nixx.is-fantabulo.us/dom5ranmapnos/

>How do I change the fonts?
Replace guifont.ttf, guifont_fancy.ttf and guifont_texty.ttf in the game's 'data' folder (C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dominions6\data)

>Fan art
https://thronebooru.booru.org

Previous Turn of the Wheel:
>>536526318

>>537819706 (OP)
While that's rather extreme I'd like illfraud to at least buff up the starting armies like slop's did

Caves forgive me, I did Agartha's turn in go_rEAd_a_book because he was 3 minutes from staling

Ermor, please humbly await the next turn before making another drawing. You will like it, I promise.

>>537821072
Holy shit!

Oh my god, nothing is happening still AAAAAAAAAAA

>>537821072
Is that this current turn or tomorrow's turn? Cuz I like this current turn.

desu I thought Dicks-nuts had it.

>>537819706 (OP)
What happened?

>>537835760
Discorders are mad that it's been 10 years and UW nations are still OP. (yes)

>>537836361
Has anyone ever tried a map with big UW provs, but less of them? So they can raid everyone and aren't DoA since they'll have a ton of choice to leech and raid. Less oceans means less of a pain to invade if you choose to fight them as a land nation with enough research. But I could see it making them suck to play if they don't have many cap ring provs and that forces them to build a certain way. Oceans probably need set spawn points and custom tagged terrain so they spawn on a kelp forest or something

>>537836978
Wdym mean by big?

>>537840890
A lot of connections?

>>537836978
all that does is make everyone annoyed by the UW players raiding them

>>537854331
sage sorceress sexo

>>537820372
Could’ve sworn I did it already though. Did I not press E? Was there a second turn in my sleep?

doing my turn while extremely drunk?
Y/n

>>537854331
>on crossbreeding
Heh

>>537854331
BIIGGG

>>537862380
Some of my best turns were those that I don't even remember playing

>>537867984
With every new iteration, merrow chan becomes more malnourished

>>537870581
Glamour supplies, please understand.

>>537867984
Cute!

>>537870581
the release of zemaitia will surely rejuvenate the merrow to a healthier figure

>>537870705
I desire a drawing of merrow-chan gorging at the illusory banquet

rEAd Admin, let's release Mekone and make him AI

>>537854331
Big fan of that sage. Back on the topic of Maenads, yeah I mean they are just naked women, guess the defining factor would be they'd be kinda covered in blood, wine and maybe cum, and a crazed and sexual grin is I guess all that'd would define them, giving them claws to emphasize the madness idk. Not the most extravagant creature of dom by any stretch, I just like the idea of them in greek myth.

>>537874569
This item always reminds me of the banquet scene in Hook

>>537874569
slowly starving merrow trying to subsist on dreams hits too close to home

Dust to dust

zemaitia when. i want to be the best zemaitia player in all of /domg/

>>537907330
When summer ends in Sweden

>>537907330
what a lame goal
the current real objective is to win a game as pelagia

>>537908157
EA rlyeh is forgotten...

>want to play cool LA nation
>remember all the unfun things about LA
>don't play LA

Wither bones

When we doing a Randomized Nations game?

>>537909692
>unfun things
name 5 unfun things

>>537927962
Crossbows
Heavy cav indies
Low magic sites
Lemuria
Rlyeh

>>537926471
those are boring

>>537928084
play rlyeh or lemuia and there are only 3 unfun things! (those nations don't care about heavy cav)

We should call our next game a "tournament" and pretend it is somehow more prestigious than non-tournament games.

>>537928486
the /domg/ tournament for the title of /domg/ veteran

>>537928486
we should call all games from now on "tournament round x" and just add to the number every new game but it just goes up forever and its not a tournament at all

>>537929047
>>537928675

Yesssssss

Jesus fuck I'm gonna have to hail mary this

>>537937838
explain

>>537940091
it's over for pangeachuds

>>537941775
Fucking Femine

Darkbolt

>>537950347
black darts

New map when?

Holy fug we are getting domkilled by horses

BLITZMIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN

Agartha in go_rEAd_a_book come back we are turning the horse tide

>>537957941
>>537958791
duality of Man

Is anyone going to start a new game?
Cracked and VAnilla are winding down

>>537963550
old vanilla dies, new MA vanilla rises?

rip ulm

>>537965815
Noice

>>537965815
Lovely work, anon

Meanwhile...

Gnight domg
>>537969923
Very asterix pilled

>>537928084
playing against rlyeh right now and it's tedious alright.

It's up.

>>537979213
>>537969923
What is? The Ermorian's shortsword?

>>537969923
>ermorian centurion gets corrupted by ubarian shaytan, early 3rd spring of the ascension wars

Friday geimu?

>>537957941
My jarl, the horse is here

I am on a trip in switzerland, and unable to connect to a game, be it Blitzserver or illwinter server. Internet is working, I tried with hotel internet and mobile - anyone else ever had this problem? Is Switzerland rangebanned?

>>537998813
Do you own the game?

>>537998886
what a preposterous accustion, of course

>>537998725
cute

>>537996170
buritsu dato?

>537829512
Anon, fivefold angels dont have hands...

>>538002627
But they do have an unflinching devotion to you!

>>537998725
Drunk horse

>>538002627
I know.
Thoughts on visual details? Seems dull at the moment.

>>537998813
zemaitia soon??

>>538012034
Maybe add prayers (in cyrillic) freshly carved into skin.
Also I would propose a different pose - stumps locked in prayer with eyeless fqce towards the heaven.

>>538012034
Give her a rapturous smile! Think flagellant from DD

>>538012034
Noice

buritsu server... down...

>>538027556
WHAT!?!?!?!

and we're back

>>537908273
>This retard cant win with the best astral mages in the game

>finally finished testing new build
>can't wait to try it in actual MP game
>no new games with the right age

Does it normally take over a week to find an open game?

>>538031728
We haven't even had a new game in two weeks.

>>538031728
which age?

Illfraud kidnaps you and commands you to make all of the weapon archetypes equally viable while they're on Swedish summer vacation. What changes, if any, do you make to
>swords
>greatswords
>axes
>greataxes
>maces
>greatmaces
>spears
>pikes
>flails
>halberds

>>538038441
>spears
>spikes
>halberds
Bonus on repel against attacks with a charge bonus, and bonus attack against cavalry
Rest is fine.

>>538038441
I made a spreadsheet with all the weapons a few days ago, trying to work out the internal logic of the weapon stats. I've concluded there isn't any.

Not even trying for realistic. I would at least make the weapons follow a consistent internal logic. Bronze? It *always* costs more res. Weapon has multiple damage types? Attack bonus. Weapon is very short? Defense malus. Players should be able to intuit the weapon's stats just by remembering what the logic is.

Here's some examples of the retardation in the stats

An iron cudgel has +2 def. A maul has -1 defense.

A pitchfork has -1 def. A trident has +1 def.

Jotuns have their own version of every kind of axe. Some are identical to regular axe stats, while others are different.

Yaris are the only kind of spear with an attack bonus.

Quarterstaffs have +3 def, higher than anything else. But several kids of other polearms have defense maluses.

Why don't similar weapons have similar stats?

>>538031531
Still gotta pay the amulet of the fish tax to do anything with them

>>538042353
Quarterstaves kinda make sense. Lots of Dominions is based on myth and legend rather than facts, and there's old stories about great swordmen who only ever lost a duel against a peasant with a stick.
Don't know what they were smoking with the rest, but I love that adding an additional tine to your fork makes it significantly better at defending.

>>538044272
There might be some implicit worldbuilding or assumptions in there, too. Like, only specific units use yari instead of normal spears. Maybe they wanted to represent that these units are particularly fanatical and aggressive, but without giving *the unit* a better attack stat. Maybe they feared it'd have some unintended consequences.
With the pitchfork and trident, for example, you could say that the kind of guy who's using a pitchfork is simply not well trained for battle. It's also a working tool, so more unbalanced, and more brittle, etc. All of that flows into a worse defense value. The trident is a weapon, and an exotic one, probably wielded by creatures who know what they're doing, AND it's a proper weapon made for war, with better materials and proper balance for fighting purposes, so it warrants a bonus instead of the penalty.
Same with axes. An axe to fell trees, an axe to clear shrubbery, a throwing axe like the francisca, a huscarl axe, and a "normal" battle axe are all different weapons. It makes sense that they have different stats.
The same thing applies to the iron cudgel and maul. The cudgel is relatively light. A maul is much more unbalanced and heavier.

Essentially, Dominions is an incredibly autistic game. The reason there's 50 different variations of the same weapon is the same reason that there's 50 different variations of "spearman" instead of a single spearman unit with a single spear weapon. The variety, and representing many historical and mythological things so they can bonk each other in little battles, is the whole point. Watching a small army of low quality Ermorian infantry fighting a small army of low quality C'tissian infantry for control over a bottleneck in the early game is a lot more satisfying than watching 50 generic infantry fighting 50 identical generic infantry.

>>538045754
I feel it's more like Napoleonic minded armies trying to struggle with WW1-esque technologies

>>538045754
I mean it is based on D&D after all

I'm not gonna join a new game when Zemaitia is JUST around the corner. Surely.
Also Cracked is absolutely fucked with these settings and Rlyeh just being uncontested UW lol.

https://files.catbox.moe/kpc971.mp4
So this is the power of vanilla casting..

>>538057803
why the grapes

>>538061336
Clearly you are not using the superior "advance and cast spells"

So did I miss that blood rain actually uses fear damage instead of frigthen damage?

>>538064442
How would I know

rEAd agartha again

>>538067234
Rumor is that he got trapped on Bear Mountain, either by a bear, or by Wights...I expect his return ere long

The Juggernaut crushing hordes of chattering Markatas rapturous Vanaras under its mighty and holy wheels all the while noble Bandars and White Ones watch on in serene calm...

>>538079957
Nah

'member when iron dragons used to be good?
we 'member

>>538081747
Speak for yourself, I don't even remember when I last reached Construction 8

>>538081906
I have never reached level 8 research and I've been playing since dom 3.

>>538082336
i never research anything but evocation so that when my mages start off-casting they at least always cast something that can deal damage.

/domg/ is blessed with artists

(its because its a general of intelligent creative types)

Holy lel, I actually survived against Femine's assault again
I fucking hate their cloak ability

>>538082336
>I have never reached level 8 research and I've been playing since dom 3.

>>538082336
This is the first game I've played on easy research and it's kinda nuts. This was my stuff by turn 40

AHHHHHHHH I HATE LATE AGE INDIES AHFJAHAHJAJAJAJABH

>>538099424
>he didn't take an awake expander
SAD!

Good night domg>>538099424

>>538065119
>>538067234
Come on guys, I did my turn. Many people died on Bear Mountain trying to feed the Bears, you know? Even my sister was once chased by a Bear, but she was faster

Hand of Dust

>>538100491
I did and a crossbow shot him in the head and Muted him on the first round of the first expansion turn.

How do I not get warred by all my neighbors? What's the trick?

>>538126117
Take an awake expander, that usually scares away people without expanders.
Be proactive in writing to them and acknowledge you're cool with borders. I tend to gravitate towards killing the guy not answering messages because I assume he's gearing to kill me (because that is what I do when I wanna kill someone).
But sometimes you're just unlucky or playing a naction people hate to fight lategame and rather off asap.

>>538126328
>I tend to gravitate towards killing the guy not answering messages because I assume he's gearing to kill me
So that's why I'm always attacked! I knew that autism would be my downfall...

>>538126328
Doesn't taking awake expander mean you'll have more neighbors? Plus, won't getting too big too early make people want to team up against you even more?

>>538130686
I guess, if you're too weak you will get targeted, if you're too strong you will get targeted, but writing around to people rarely hurts.
If you feel you've expanded to hard you can offer to sell the land to people that will often get them off your back, or bait out a bump and just kill the first person you see. It all depends, point is just to be proactive and not reactive. Once people have set their minds to kill you they usually will go through with it, so better meet them before that happens.

Any draw requests?

>>538126117
>>538126328
>Take an awake expander
no, a dormant guardian is better for this purpose.
>Be proactive in writing to them
no, reactive "diplomancy" is always the best. you just react to what the players around you do. if they send you peace offers, you accept, if they attack you, you fight back. if nobody attacks you, thats perfect because you have time to research and build up your infrastructure and armies which will make you stronger later especially relative to players who have been or are fighting wars because they have weaker armies, weaker research, weaker infrastructure.

>>538135537
Every underwater representative being mind-raped by R'lyeh consensually.

>>538135561
Anybody you think you'll want peace with early should be contacted. Don't over do it, just try to agree on borders or something.
It's much easier for people to declare war on somebody they've never spoken to.

>>537998725
>marks on neck
peak
>>538130686
only if someone decides to be a diplomancer and calls you out

>>538135537
More dryads and goats

>>538135537
therodos sacred going berserk because somebody said "bless you"

I now have a strong suspicion that frighten damage CAN trigger a morale check if the squad size is too small.

>>538122573
What are you doing blind expanding on turn one?
Stupid thing to do.

>>538135537
pious and perseverant piconye

I long for a domg game that uses all types of thrones. I can't remember when was the last time I've seen a 1st lvl throne in the game. I just want some small effects that are not protected as thorougly! Not to mention that some throne clusters are spread between lvls (thrones of the stars, sun and moon all have different lvls).

>>538135960
you diplomancers are so retarded

>>538139354
how about a new EA game with all throne types AND all story events.
or would you guys prefer MA/LA?

>>538139386
How is it not true though? You just have to say hello and your odds of being attacked first drop a bit.
Maybe if you are an autistic domg vet who can't handle a hello then you should play the game as if you were an npc to everybody else.

>>538139510
Vanilla EA game is still young, so MA will be much appreciated.

>>538139745
If you need to resort to words instead of crushing your enemies then you are WEAK.

>>538139510
I just need a game, I haven't been able to play in months

>>538140003
I support your right to play the game like a retarded dictator, but it's not the playstyle that gives you the best results.
If it's fun for you though by all means go ahead. Makes the games spicy

>>538139510
Everybody knows MA is the best age

>>538141467
I personally have to agree. It has the most interesting nations, and a nice balance of magic and troops.
Admittedly it does have some of the most annoying nations in the entire game - Asphodel, Ermor, Rl'yeh, Nazca, Nidavangr.
But I don't hate them as much as some.

>>538141719
Ermor is the only one I really hate, because fighting them is so boring. Oh let me guess, a box of 500 longdead with some sacreds inside? Puts me to sleep.

>>538142332
It's fun fighting them as a fire nation though, apart from the getting ruined lands as your reward part.
Lighting up 1k skellies with elementals and flaming arrows is dope

>>538141467
MA has the highest 'tech' of all the nations
LA has most everyone regress in tech aside from getting more crossbows

>>538142804
also better forts and more resorces

>>538143915
Eh, 3 points to hire more old men is lame

What's the next nation after zemataia

>>538142804
I just don't like LA because of how weak the mages are.
"Oh wow, my ultra expensive 500g mage tops out at F2, nice..."
I like playing with magic, but not as much as EA gives

>>538150149
LA Merrowmatia
Not happening

>>538150154
Take the communion-pill

>>538152520
Communion? More like, get earthquaked!

>>538126117
You done an elfing
You done an ubaring
You done a popkilling
You done a water nation on landing
Now you get bonked by the heckin wholesome coalitioning

>>538150149
Oman

>>538154350
>takes weightless bless

Heh, outskilled.

>>538150149
Something south slavic would be nice. Vilas are Bulgarian, you know? And Zmey that walk around in armor and ride metal horses with steel wings would be cool.
Really, we could, unironically, use some more mythological representation. We are starting to double up on nations. Getting a Troll or Dwarf Nation would be nice, even if overpowered.

>>538154493
This is all lies!
I got ganged up on by all my neighbors when I was just an honest Eastern Roman and didn't do any of these!

>>538155536
Astral magic?
Dishonest and threatening.

why isn't ma pythium allowed real sacreds?

>>538156205
Communicants are one of the best sacred troops in the game. Actually unique

>>538150149
Oman

I wnat to die holy fug

WHEN
IS
NEW
GAME???

Server down

>>538164878
really now?

What if someone hosted a game with that tournament mod as part of that tournament meme someone suggested. Would anons be interested in that.

>>538166627
its more games and more chances for me to get good, so sure. but what's tournament mode? 1v1s?

What's the easiest way of testing out battles between 2 specific armies?

>>538169021
debug mod

My conspiracy theory is the real reason we don't get any nations from unrepresented parts of the world (Oceania, North America, etc) is that Illwinter doesn't want to add in a bunch of new Pretenders for them.

>>538171712
that are just jealous of NA chads

>>538166627
Which mod? You mean like the one from lucid's tournaments where one player is essentially a caster and just spawns with scouts all over the map??
Sure but, who's casting us.
Would be more interesting if the rules for the '/domg/ veteran' tournament were something along the lines of 'if you manage to take hold of at least throne till the game ends you get rights to brag'. Which would mean a lot of thrones and little points required to win.

>>537819706 (OP)
>>538040413
some axes do have defense malus

>>538042353
>An iron cudgel has +2 def.
are you sure? running a mod?

>pitchfork
a farming implement for moving hay, only used in war as an improvised weapon, possibly made with curved tines making it more awkward as a weapon

>trident
probably not used a lot in war either, but at least was a spear meant to strike and pierce fish with

>Quarterstaffs
maybe
quarterstaffs are two-handed. better physically balanced typically than poles with heavy metal head in one end, and can grip anywhere, sliding staff easily in hands, as needed. and low damage and sometimes length in-game relative to other polearms. machaka spear, despite being one-handed, has higher length and damage

not necessarily great, and there are inconsistencies here and there, and bugs, etc. but not completely bonkers either

>>538045754
tl;dr generated from ai?

>>538161041
i was about to make a new one but buritsu server down

>>538122573
recuperation?

>>538161041
fine i read the thread daily so be my guest
ill host one once blitzserver is up
anons please define now settings, age and whether or not you want scbm or another mod (enhanced, spark of divinity or whatever)
only adding the black servant mod unless enough people cry for sloops or any other mod (i kinda want to play vanilla because most games use scbm)
you all can suggest a lobby name too because im fine with playing any age so as long as we hit a big player count

>>538171712
>North America
did the historical civilizations of more northern america compare at all relative to meso-american civilizations in terms of military might, population numbers, culture, technology, infrastructure, organization, government, etc.?

>>538177368
MA vanilla sounds good to me
mapnuke or normal gen with some cap tweaking to ensure noone gets some 2 connections cap

>>538177368
All story events and level 3 thrones because I hate you all

>>538177368
if we are doing MA I am ok with just Pretender Recuperation Mod, but I can play vanilla as well

>>538177368
MA vanilla with all throne lvls and all events, please.

>>538178453
Why don't people like level 3 thrones?

>>538178453
some other anon had said he wanted to see level 1 thrones and another piggybacked on the idea of the tournament and mentioned lots of thrones
so how about a bunch of level 1 thrones scattered around the map and 2-3 level 3 thrones so a good player that would subject himself to it, would try to speedup his ascension???
no lvl 2 thrones

>>538179186
create a game yourself and try to take them
they make the game draw on for longer than it should most of the time

>>538179224
No, all thrones should be present.
I propose a lvl1 throne for each player, a lvl2 per 2 players and lvl3 per 3 players.

>>538179186
They are just really hard to kill. They often stay independent long into the game because people get sucked into wars before they are strong enough to take them.
But they often have cool monsters and titans with sick items guarding them. It's hard to do but you can charm them potentially.

>>538177613
Stone age vs bronze age. That said, we have literal cavemen in Pyrene and naked woodland creatures in Pangaea

!!!NEW MA GAME!!!
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/669#status
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/669#status
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/669#status
all throne types (50% +1 points to win) and all story events.
vanilla, as all things should be.
!!!JOIN IT NOW!!!

>>538181248
great you beat me to it
large map please
oh and you didnt add black servant

>>538181608
naah 15/player is perfect
no idea wtf story events are though, sounds cancer but whatever

Starting playing the game last week, and I'm struggling to understand what Titans are for. Why would I pick them over a monster or inanimate pretender? They get merked by monsters when awake and give less bonuses than objects when imprisoned. Raising them as dormant doesn't seem great either since they're so limited by what gear they have and how much spell research you've done. And by turn 12 you'll have what, maybe construction 3?

Please explain why I'm a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about so I can feel justified in picking big pixel tits over big pixel snek.

>>538181992
If you want an chassis to hit things with a mace of eruption I guess

>>538181923
they're the same as events but more bullshit.

I have one now, "a demon has possessed the leader of the land," if not dealt with causes unrest/turmoil or demon attacks every turn.

>>538181992
Everything you said is correct. Sometimes the titans have the right paths and scale bonus you want so the math works out, or a national discount.

>>538181248
Should have named it domg TournaMAnt Round 1.

>>538181992
They sort of do a bit of everything or have unique traits. Most of them are just really inefficient though.
The most common use for them is a dormant defender titan, which wakes up right as the first wars tend to start, and with some gear or early research can be a very good defense.
The main benefit over other chassis is they have full slots for boosters or fat lategame gear, while still being able to get a decently high dom score/scales.

>>538181992
Titans are sadly the weakest of the 4 pretender types. There are definitely ones that are viable, but even after the buffs they've gotten from illwinter and most pretender mods, a lot of them are completely pointless

>>538183018
So you're saying I should go Luck 3 this game

>>538181992
Titans are practically always taken dormant for the reasons you described. Their niche is being much stronger combatants than monsters once they're kitted out with gear because many crafted weapons mog monster natural weapons and personal ironskin + high prot armor mogs monster natprot.
Problem is, being dormant means you need to either accept a worse non-incarnate bless compared to imprisoned stat stick, or use the titan on nations who can expand fine unblessed and need a rush defense that scales up with construction level and/or dormant anti-player incarnates like Magic/Unholy weapons.
This is a pretty niche use case, and it doesn't help that most of the titans, like monsters. are overshadowed or just plain bad. Sloops helps them out a lot by making new paths cost less as well as reducing their chassis costs overall.

Why does John Illwinter hate this guy?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Stroumsa

>>538185364
why do you think he does?

>>538183738
Only if you take turmoil 3

Almost joined as NaBa before realizing that you fuckers would 100% all go "whoopsie, I didn't know that was your province"

>>538192774
you belong in a woman's world then

>>538192774
That's the inherent risk of playing them

>>538192774
>easy justifiable excuse to raid and pillage all their provinces with camel rider squads
I'm not seeing the problem

>>538152016
crannog ys comes after oman

>>538181248
>5 throne points required
>out of 30
no, thanks

>>538197045
>anon can't comprehend that settings are not finalized

>>538188826
Same as Putin, gave him an unflattering merc squad.

>>538197045
just join and if the guy that made the game is a retard and keeps it as is you just go AI on turn one thus making the game worse for every retard willing to play with that.
assume he will tweak the settings in a few days no motd (not even mentioning when it starts in thread) no map and no black servant yet

>>538200121
I'm just holding off unless I see story events dropped
events are already cancer enough, don't need to abruptly lose half my provs during a war for 'story'

>>538200035
huh, I rarely use mercs so I never noticed this

>>538200704
I understand putin given the devs likely political takes. But why stroumsa? Is it as simple as academic cattiness?

>>538202390
Since the devs specialize late Roman mystery cults and their interests overlap, maybe some academic rivalry?

>>538135537
Abysian hellbred cutie

>>538181248
what's the map

>>538181248
In as Ermor

Tempted to try Pelagia in the new game, but looking them over I see Illwinter did their weird thing where they think of some cool internal contradiction and then go too far and ruin the nation with it.

>good mages, except they're all aquatic
>besides one good amphibian who can get A2, W2, E2, or S1, but is STR for no reason
>summonable telkhine mages but overpriced
>Apostate of the Closed Realm has average stats for his price but requires a temple even though he's not sacred- oh and NO HELMET for no reason
>one mage on coasts, a STR(!) F1 non-sacred who still requires a temple
>the cav sacred is aquatic only
>the amphibious sacred is just a veteran-statted human with mediocre gear
>good luck blessing them anyway because only H1's are amphibians

It's so easy to see how this nation could even be good with a few stat tweaks, but Illwinter just doesn't want to.

>>538039067
If they just returned the repel formula to the old one you wouldn't have to do anything to them.

>>538038441
In their moment of absence I make SCBM base game.

Is anyone still updating SCBM?

>>538185364
>Stroumsa was born in Paris. His parents were Shoah survivors
> In his studies, Stroumsa seeks to cross traditional interdisciplinary boundaries in order to study religious phenomena from a comparative perspective. This approach permits him to understand the mechanisms behind the religious revolution of Late Antiquity, a period which saw the cessation of a number of widespread aspects of ancient religion (such as blood sacrifice) and the development of new systems, which stand at the basis of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
John Illwinter believes the jews never gave up blood sacrifice, and he is also a low key academic Shoah denier. You can clearly see his anti-semitism in the game, the most jewish faction is Hinnom and they are a race of baby eating giants, the "Sons of the Fallen" haha

>>538218027
John Illwinter is also a known transphobe. The "foul spawn" "freaks" is likely aimed at Stroumsa's daughter, a prominent OB/GYN researcher for non-binary and minority folx.

>>538218797
I didn't want to say it because I had already said so much, but there it is

Feeling like I should contact the ADL or my local rabbi, this is growing more concerning as I look into it more and more. More than half of the exclusively Hinnom spells are blood sacrifices, and one of them lets you summon the villain from The Exorcist! John Illwinter is sick!

>>538218027
>>538218027
>>538218797
https://web.archive.org/web/20150910130137/http://www.gameology.org/essays/the_kohen_gadol_has_horns_the_fates_of_t

>>538220513
Noice

>>538135537
Hinnom happy merchant

>>538218027
Alright I'm slow what's the joke.

>>538222402
This is no joke to me, anon
https://web.archive.org/web/20150910130137/http://www.gameology.org/essays/the_kohen_gadol_has_horns_the_fates_of_t
>This unit can perform Blood Sacrifices and Blood Magic. And he has goat's horns.

>This monstrous figure bears unpleasant echoes of the Mediaeval European myth of the old Jew as diabolist. The word cabal for a sinister, secret group or cult comes from a corruption of “kaballah,” Jewish mysticism. Some versions of the Faust myth claim that an old Jew introduces Faust to or teaches Faust how to summon the demon Mephistopheles. In George Sand's (1st wave, suffragette) feminist Faust-inspired play The Seven Strings of the Lyre, Mephistopheles takes the form of an “old Jew,” to literally bedevil Helen, the heroine of this version of the story – she finds him to be “a disgusting old man!” and shortly thereafter he nearly drives her to suicide:“I will kill myself. It is necessary. This wicked Jew has shown me all my miseries.”(4) A more contemporary image, of the “running of the Jew” sequence from Baron Marshall Cohen's movie Borat, with its grotesque long-faced, bearded and horned masks, also comes to mind.

>Perhaps the most uncomfortable association is of the Kohen Gadol with Blood Magic, evoking the old anti-Semitic “blood libel,” the claim that Jews kidnap and sacrifice gentile children. Second only in infamy to the Czarist propaganda piece “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” the blood libel is still often reported as true in the Middle East, often in combination with the “Protocols.”

The leader of Hinnom is a devil horned blood drinking black magic user and their home city is called Gomorrah, I don't need to read any more and I don't want to either. I never would have guessed that Sweden can still play host to such horrible anti-semitic creatures as this game creator, you know they made a lot of money from all that Nazi gold

>>538223191
based good I'm glad

>The top listed National Pretender for EA Hinnom in the Dom6 Mod Inspector is Moloch
Come ON

>>538220513
>>538223191
one of the main points of that article is explaining that the Dominions equivalent of IRL Israelites are the human tribes of Gath, not the Rephaim

>>538223353
Illwinter designed him all wrong, should be an immobile pretender who is constantly blood sacrificing slaves as a passive. Fire and Blood, maybe Earth starting spheres. Inanimate.

>>538224025
that's what the golden calf is for
the more overtly demonic / fantasy moloch is cool

>>538223191
> Nation based on Gehenna, the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, where they burnt children alive and worshipped moloch
> It has blood sacrifice and demons in it
I’m literally shaking someone call the IDF

>>538225301
If you read the actual article which this is cherrypicked from, the writer not only correctly notices that, but also picks up on the fact that the actual isrealites in doms are the human slaves in Gath and Ashdod not the Rephaim.

Burden of Dryad Cheeks

>>538215472
I said I'd release a new update when Zemaitia released. It's not my fault that it's going on a year since it leaked and Illfraud still hasn't dropped it.

>>538225507
And that the “Lost Tribe” of Jews did not yet arrive, because it is the heretical, blue sashed, giant healers who will become the Abrahams, the Fathers of All. They are Israelites in Gath and Philistine Giants (David and Goliath both lived in Gath) but there are no Jews yet, no Abrahamics. Its only in the “Forth Age” when the last Horned Giant dies and the cult is wholly driven by Humans, that the Loving Father Cult of sash giants take over and shepherd the people of Gath, as the Lost Tribe, free and powerful and wise (even if they are pale in Dominions, instead of Onyx black like in the Rabbi’s Cat story)

>>538220513
That article is precious. It is a treasure. You do not find mythologic breakdowns about fictional works like that these days.

But I do have a question…
>”In Ashdod, the giants who were denied a chance to repent in 1 Enoch and The Book of Giants can be “redeemed” and made right with the heavens. After extensive preparation, including disciplined frugality by the player, as the spell requires 222 astral pearls, the Merkavah will descend and (literally) bless the giants of Ashdod. This all despite the fact that they have not given up the teachings of the Grigori”
I am very glad that the ritual remained in dom 6, and that Gath can also do it, but what are the implications of Feminine and Ind being able to release the Lords of Civilisation or, in Feminine’s case, outright being willing to free the trapped Rephilim? Are they allowed to do it because they did not sin originally? Or is it a case of ancient forbidden knowledge? Ind’s description of the Lost Tribe (of giants), states that their religion, powers and knowledge is of an “older order and their words are anathema”. Is the whole reason Ind and Feminine can interact with Canaanite half-angel sinners because they are Orthodox Christians, while the Rephilim are antediluvian?

>>538244298
Feminie frees them by literally tricking the divine decree with illusions.

>>538244298
They're able to leave their sin bin by fooling the divine law, literally putting a magical hat and moustache on them,

>>538245028
>>538245034
Yeah, but *how* is that possible? How can you Glamour that which has Spirit Sight? Could Ind have done it? The Prester King did not want to, but could he even attempt it? I believe it is only possible because Feminine is more Gnostic than the Christian Ind and the pre-Abrahamic Ashdod. How can you deceive God? How can you even entertain the idea to give it a try? Only if you see God as simply a god.

>>538245454
>Putting monotheism in my Dominions lore
Disgusting.

>>538245454
Like anon implies, there is no capitol G God in dominions besides pankoman, and he's not around in the game
The celestial powers are related to christian angels and mythology, but they do not serve the omnipotent christian god

>>538179878
pyrene has the whole "cavemen transforming into a civilization + giants and storm witches" concept, and sets up the nation for later ages

pangaea is a fair example, but it still has the concept of the wild being tamed or trying to adapt to civilization through the ages, and greek mythology was both well-known in european teachings for centuries and in modern western fantasy

i know too little of more northern america to really judge or come with suggestions. i'd like to know more, and a nation could help show some myths and ideas, but i don't know how much there is

it's probably for similar reasons that aoe2 doesn't have more than incas, aztecs and mayans

there is la atlantis, with an inuit theme, which is different, peculiar and interesting enough by itself (tent owners, hunter-gatherers), but too few people and too little to get in that geographic region. one of the troubles of being in the arctic, population density way too low even with brilliant and high-potential people. probably also why meso-america was much wealthier in so many ways, equator enables much greater population density due to more bountiful farming

after osman, i wouldn't mind seeing more east asian, south asian, and south-east asian civilizations. i wonder about tibet, with their monks, and reincarnation

if one were to introduce more northern american civilization, maybe the whole concept of

>stone age farming ->
>european subjugation and horses ->
>adopting horses and reverting to a more nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle for some

could be interesting. though i'm not confident that this summary is even half-way accurate

did the more northern american civilization(s) go through atavistic reversion from farming to hunter-gathering with horses due to foreign diseases, war, foreign mass settlement, and conquest?

could also get inspired by zemaitia's mixing or the bats and mictlan getting atlantians from the sea. except with added horses or cavalry of some kind. maybe centaurs

>>538181992
good arguments, titans have a few usages here and there

one funny meme could be ea machaka with imprisoned fetish pretender, and then take s10 on it. probably not competitive in multiplayer, though ea machaka can expand fine without a monster or bless

>>538209751
>the amphibious sacred is just a veteran-statted human with mediocre gear
it's also iron and your capital is in water, so it instantly rusts when you move

>>538247147
Should have been blacksteel

>>538246386
SEasia would be sick

>>538218027
but are the jews the giants, or the avvim and later tribes?
and they get all kinds of options, sc chassis, healers, magic weapon giants and half-giants, evocation half-giants that don't die as easily to murdering winter, archers, the most expensive rituals in the game, etc.

are you sure that at least one of the developers in illwinter isn't jewish?

>>538247924
Avvim are Canaanites, Nephilim and Rephaim and Anakim with their human slaves are “the Egyptians”, Gittites are Philistines and the color-coordinated humans are Israelites, but only the giant, blue sash-wearing, hornless Abbas and their faithful flock of heretical humans are Jews, they are the people fed up with the old religions about ancestor worship and the blood sacrifices and the aggressive preaching. And when the last Kohen Gadol of Anakite blood dies, it will be a Abba that will be named Abraham and his followers Judaittes.

>>538218027
>>538247924
though it is all generally deeply deceitful, mentally insane, inconsistent and manipulative, with several layers of it. berytos and phaeacia touches a little upon core aspects, but again fundamentally and completely deceitful, even if going to the layers that the author pretends is closer to how things are

>>538248556
and thus the layers of lies, mental illness and manipulation continues

>>538248838
*shrug* just because they are called something else it doesn’t lessen their sins, if that is what you mean. The humans and the Avvim knew what they were doing and still followed the will of the Rephilim and Anakim. Ashdod could be redeemed but Gath makes it clear it failed. The Avvim fled from Hinnom and ended up in Na’Ba to serve expansionist Djinn. The Israelites are every bit as bloody as the Gittites and follow the exact same religion, based on the blood obsessed Canaanites. There is no guarantee the Abba succeed in their cult or that the humans don’t twist it further to only be kind to themselves and attack other Nations.
Just because they are Jews, doesn’t mean they aren’t human and humans are prone to evil.

>>538248728
Can you elaborate?

>>538248838
>>538249386
Wait I think I didn’t understand what you vaguely meant? I am a bit thick headed and aggressive sometimes, can you be a bit more clear?

>>538249386
>>538249628
whether you choose to be honest or not is up to you

>>538249906
>>538249928

>>538249928
In regards to Illwinter’s portrayal of Judeo-Christian mythology reflecting their (flawed?) views on Jews or my understanding of the lore of Hinnom/Ashdod/Gath? Are you dissatisfied with my comments, Illwinter, the Jews, any combination or something else entirely? Am I reading too much into it or are you? Did I upset you or am I only an outlet for your spite that is directed at someone or something else you cannot touch?
And that comment about Bertyos; you are referring to the Melqarts that invade their culture and religion and infect it with Hinnom’s blood worship of Ba’als. But those are all Canaanite terms and Baal (ba’al Zebub) is their god not the Jews. Do you mean how Baal being a blood thirsty Pale Giant is jewish deception? Or are you referring to how Jews build influence in foreign cities and cultures and slowly try to gain more control and more favour for *their* religion and culture? Drawing parallels between Jewish international activities and Bertyos Rephillim infection is in poor faith, because that Nation is based on Sea People, Canaaites and Egyptians, among other things, but mostly Canaaite influence in a Sea-borne empire. Are you holding the Jews accountable for the sins of the Canaanites? Do you believe their accounts of how the Canaanite faith was bloody and cannibalistic? Are you just viewing the Melqarts of Bertyos as a parallel to Jewish international activities? How they integrate and plan the downfall of kingdoms while getting rich, like a Rephillim gets blood drunk at his banquet?
Have I been honest? Or am I simply trying to get a reaction out of you? A nod, a shake, an explanation? Am I just using you to talk to empty air?

I would love a sea people nation

>>538252636
Finally, someone who actually knows what he wants! Bretyos is pretty close, though its more Carthage than sea people, its “successor” in MA is about the closest we have with it. Though they use steel not bronze.

>>538252636
Do we even know enough about the sea people to have enough material for a dom nation?

>>538197045
it will be adjusted for player count
>>538206125
randomly generated

>>538253307
By the very fact that they are called Sea People, no. Sea-People are a catchall term for boat-wise, bronze age invaders, for barbarians. Proto-Vikings are Sea People, for instance. In Dominions, a Sea People Nation would be an amalgamation of bronze wearing Indies that can all Sail, lead by a Barbarian

Honestly, I've been watching religious channels more, and I think it's pretty cool how illwinter did their homework on hinnom/ashnod/gath.
Might as well get mad how LA Marignon incorporates the whole Catholic devil worship idea.

>>538254389
That’s the thing, would people get mad at one of the only series that bothers to incorporate Canaanite/Philistine/Israelite mythology in their game? Everyone else just does Throne Angels and calls it a day.

>>538252636
have you heard of therodos

>>538251734
>>538249928

>>538255328
They're just deader Greeks tho :(

>>538257924
I did finally get it yeah, it took a bit is all

MA and LA Therodos when

this is some bullshit. All these level 3s and 4s and NO magic sites

>>538263382
>10k gold
why do /domg/vets horde their gold instead of spend it?

>>538263530
this is just an AI test game. No one was pressuring me so I stuck to capital only recruitment (and got lucky with a Golden Throne) only now am I forced to make Forts and spend gold on PD. Or have you forgotten Giants make you run out of resources before you run out of Gold?

>>538259391
>>538249928

>>538245989
divinitus chads stay winning

>>538265996
why does the chassis have 0 (zero) protection but is not ethereal? if you give it 0 (zero) protection, make it ethereal. if you dont make it ethereal, give it some protection.
retarded modder doesnt understand the game

>>538265996
that's op as shit. How is it fair that it gets super dominion, free spawning Conjuration 6 H3 AND a H3 starting commander as a bonus?

>>538266297
>>538266504
the duality of man

>>538265996
one of the dumbest deaths i had in this game was because i got domkilled stealthily by this

>>538263530
Ashdod roleplay

>>538269131
Isn't Ashdod the 'nicest' of the three Semetic nations?

I wrote a shitty paper about the bronze age collapse in Canaan a few months ago, and now I want to play an EA game

>>538265996
This is shit
not because of any of the mechanics
but because it outright tells you the numbers and what it summons.
It's not the dom way, which is; "What does it summon? Who fucking knows. What are the summons stats? Excellent question. And at what rate? Couldn't possibly tell you"

>>538248556
This is nothing but apologia, those giants had giant sex with those humans and their blood is intermingled, there is no blameless future tribe that will fix anything, this is possibly the most anti-Semitic game in existence and I have contacted the authorities over the matter. Never again

>>538276815
Jews should be happy with what they got in dominions.
Look at what Africa got. Barely any lore, just oh this clan is in charge now I guess.

>>538272138
I suppose you could call them the least worst but the least worst for the semites is calling the undead spirit of a melqart from superhell and letting him eat the zanzummite that did the ritual in exchange for his service

>>538278151
can't you twiceborn him? or Second Life?

>>538277134
Jews are historically significant. All sub-Saharan Africa is notable for is being a land of easy pickings for anyone who actually mattered.

>didn't get my full recruitment on turn 1 again
why does this happen?

>>538038441
alright what about this
>swords and greatswords have balanced att/def and gain finesse, which increases defense against repel checks, increases shield parry values, reduces enemy defense against repel checks, and reduces enemy shield parry values per point of finesse
>maces and greatmaces have more att than def and gain dizzying blows, which reduces enemy att/def and deals fatigue damage per point of dizzying blows on a successful hit (stat reduction only applies once), attacks that hit a shield or are deflected by armor apply dizzying blows effects at half value rounded down
>axes and greataxes have high att and a def malus and gain sweep, which after killing an enemy allows them to make an attack against another enemy in the same square using the overkill damage from the original killing blow +1 damage per point of sweep
>spears and pikes have more def than att and gain spear wall, which increases attack for repel checks for every other unit in the square with spear wall per point of spear wall
>flails deal less damage than maces and greatmaces but always deal their full value of dizzying blows even through shields and armor
>halberds have balanced stats and gain multi-faceted assault, which makes each attack from the halberdier count as one extra attack for harrassment purposes per point of multi-faceted assault
So swords are a balanced front line option, maces are good at tenderizing large and/or heavily armored targets, axes are the trash clearing experts, spears are for holding the line, and halberds can bully defense-heavy units into militia-level defense quickly

>>538280057
Sir this is a video game. You can just make some shit up

>>538280405
Got unrest on your fort?

>>538280405
what nation?