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>Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread?
Generally yes, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too
>Is Elin/Elona allowed?
Yes, they are roguelikes
>Is Dwarf Fortress allowed?
If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though
>FAQ
https://l.idrix.fr/J7sOv
>What to Play
https://l.idrix.fr/eYNOh
>Individual Game Pastas
https://l.idrix.fr/wXd8t
>Roguelike Archive (Collection of pretty much every free roguelike there is)
https://archive.org/details/ArchiveRL.7z
>/rlg/'s "official" Cataclysm: DDA fork
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases


>News

6 Sep 2025 - Diabaig v1.0.0 released
6 Sep 2025 - Overworld v2.6 released
3 Sep 2025 - Tales of Kathay v0.2.0 free alpha Itch Steam
2 Sep 2025 - Tomb of the giants Demo release released
1 Sep 2025 - Wizard School Dropout Preview 7 "Why Can't We Be Friends?" released

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers
https://angband.live/ (Angband and variants)

Any roguelikes for republican anti-gun-control politicians?

RLG: The only general that can't make it through an 8-hour workday without getting bumped off the board while still under the reply limit

>>538691903 (OP)
I was gonna change it so that Mystery Dungeon and DF mode was called gay but I forgot the subject line the first time and gave up

Did the last thread die in record time?

>>538695908
DDA with the brawler trait, add the fear of vehicles trait and lactose intolerant to be the leftist version

>>538694991
Not bad. A solid definition IMO.
I think he overplays the thing about not talking about Rogue, roguelikes are a genre that grew up around conventions that were more or less birthed from Rogue, and Rogue fits into his definition neatly, but I guess he has to exaggerate the point a bit for youtube.

>>538704017
Got a very hick-pilled guy living in my house. Guns good, trump good. Has brought at least one piece of political merch into this house in the form of a shirt with some snarky 2 word wordplay declaring his political leanings. Thinks doctors are full of shit.

Point is he's got two main food groups that, if he eats them destroy his body. Says he has to avoid them in his diet. Doesn't.

He just shits and farts himself to death instead. Hasn't been using lactaid despite the fact I mentioned its existence multiple times.

At least, right now, he's bought a carton of oat milk.That's possibly an improvement.
I know it isn't the same thing, but alternative milks aren't bad, on their own, if you don't expect them to be milk.

>>538704478
pretty average trumper, utterly retarded

>>538707698
As I understand, this is just what all lactose intolerant people are like.

At least, with the choosing to suffer part.

>rlg dies
>a politician dies
so what do we learn from this?

>>538710705
Forced randomization of your starting character with very little customization makes for a shitty roguelike.

>>538710705
the sensitive young black men of /rlg/ are deeply affected by the escalating terrorism

>>538710705
Gookposter has been busy

>make a high speech build convincing people that guns are necessary
>gets killed by a gun
I don't think this game is very random

>>538711891
>many negative traits were rolled like "Ugly", "Lactose Intolerant" or "Schizophrenic"
>barely any positive traits, the extra points from picking negatives went to waste
this game does indeed suck

>the oat milk is still unopened
you
you guy you

I wanted to try some of that, frankly. I think it's been a week.

Thank rlg for doing its part by not playing videogames

>>538712775
Tell Sideways to update Frog and I'll start playing again

>>538712775
Well there was footage of an elderly man being detained, maybe the shooter played Doom as an impressionable young man in the 90s and it just took a while

roguelikes where you fight ancient martians?

>>538713909
We need more SF roguelikes IMO

>452 errors trying to build the default "Hello world" console project consisting of 5 lines
Roguelikes for this feel?

Doing pure elements for steam cheevos, saving death and astral for last because they seem the easiest to break
Lightning was about getting a full backpack with shit healing and then trying not to get oneshot from there

>>538713909
>bro look it's a rock
fucking nerd kys

>>538716273
sorry they didn't find tentacled aliens like in your hentais

>>538717921
they didn't find anything and I don't give a fuck
>abloo bloo bloo 4 billion years ago there were maybe some microbacteria in this piece of rock because ummm aaaahhh eeeeh there's a bit of a sediment of another rock ummm and we studieded it with our scientific glasses on for more than 365 consecutive daisies
>this is news btw x3

>>538718437
still no use found for math

>>538715663
Path of Achra
(Cataclysm if you ACTUALLY want to fail compile the literal code, but for gameplay feel it's POA)

>>538694991
The refusal to adopt roguelite as a descriptor has done immeasurable harm to the gaming community

>>538694991
This faggot "simulturn" misunderstanding is still brainless though.

The game simply calculates and enacts the actions of the NPCs so fast that it's essentially simultaneous.
I can't think of a single roguelike where the NPC actions are pre-determined/not affected by gamestate to the extent that they are thus executed simultaneously with your action (once chosen)

If you play chess against a computer and it instantly completes a move as soon as you make a move it's not a "simultaneous turn"
It's still a turn-based action sequence.

>>538715913
It's not much of an achievement if you do it on cycle 5 though.

>>538722085
>The gaem is balanse around Cycle 1 anon
> :^)


Almost all builds are much harder to get off the ground until you're in a high enough cycle to gets heaps of glory in one or two levels, in all seriousness, imo
I do think that a handful of prestiges (and more specifically, most mono-element conducts), including most of the martial+element prestiges are really hard to win with while remaining on theme.

"Remaining on theme" because of course you can always Druid+Starcult and bruteforce nearly any other heap of garbage powers/items on nearly any cycle

Post your wins, if you're so good at roguelikes, anon-kun

>>538724285
When I reset my save file I actually had more trouble than I expected at cycle 17-24. 32 is still the most likely to one shot you, but the mid cycles have their own challenge because you don't have as many levels to work with.

Though if the game was only cycle 1 I think it would be a pretty bad game. That's just the dev excuse telling people not to send him balance complaints.

>>538724993
I think you'd have more difficulty with a lot of things and a lot less options stuck at Cycle 1, for sure.
We wouldn't see a lot of builds, just because they'd be practically impossible to survive long enough to come online (or never come online at all, due to expense) no matter what order of items/enemy spawns you got.

But yeah, sure. I think that's fair. Player power goes up pretty fast until the mid-teens and then tapers off- By then though, you should also be cruising on enough game knowledge that you don't need half the glory you get to begin with (nevermind that a lot of synergies see negligible increases in power by dumping points into the powers anyways)
You can either handle 2,000 speed mobs or not, you can either handle 40k hit teleporting assholes or not and you know how to route and path better, so on.

I dunno. I think Gothi is an easier clear on higher Glory but also...
Like what the FUCK is that build??
Saurian? Zealot Eresh?? With Gothi??? Why? What's the fucking point?? Do you want to stand still and pray or step dance or summon or... What are we doing? Jesus.

>>538691903 (OP)
I leave for one month and the OP is once again fucked, unbelievable, well atleast the general isn't completely dead like I feared.

>he thinks anyone cares

untold levels of homosexuality

>>538730575
I have never once,
when someone said the op was wrong
had any idea what they thought was wrong, regardless of which thread it was.

It's like you're screaming about the fairies dancing downstairs in the parking lot of your apartment complex.

>>538731073
People use the wrong template and forget to put the video >>538694991

>>538732535
... why would we put your video in the op?

What template?
Where are the fairies?

>>538732639
please stop talking to the special needs kid.

>>538732535
lmao are you for real?
You think people "forgot" the video?
Rather than that people just... Don't think the video belongs in the OP?

Just some sperg shitting on the Berlin definition 4noraisin.
Doesn't realize that "first-person" and "shooter" are two different descriptors and he might as well made some arbitrary distinction about "tile-based roguelikes" (what the fuck is Deus Ex, if not an immersive sim- FPS isn't as prescriptive a genre description as roguelike is)
NO mention of roguelite/roguelike as a marketing term

And this dumb fucking "simulturn" bullshit.
If I see another one of you retards saying roguelikes are "simulturn" one more time I'm gonna eat the "should I work on my roguelike" anon's liver.

>>538733648
roguelikes are "simulturn"

roguelike are precisely and only what ~4 mentally ill people on a dead 4chan thread define them to be and if you disagree with me then we'll be 3 mentally ill people I guess

What the fuck is "Simulturn"? Isn't that a contradiction?

>>538737537
No, it's hypothetically possible.

Consider "simulturn tic-tac-toe"

You start with a grid of 9 spaces. You and your opponent both select a space. If you select separate spaces, you each get those spaces and then check for winning formations. If you and your opponent both select the same space, then you both get that space. Spaces occupied by either player can no longer be selected.

The primary difference is that your choice is not revealed and the effects of your turn are not calculated until your opponent has also taken their turn.

Very very few games function this way. Primarily, rock-paper-scissors functions this way, along with most computerized versions of the game. However, there is only one turn in that particular case.

>>538728784
I knew this one was a real clunker, it's a tab build, the whole point of zealot eresh is to heal my bitch ass when ball lightnings die, and extra prayer recharges to heal off zombies in the first 10 levels. I didn't check the combat log but the inflame on lightning damage torso necklace probably carried it because KOMC died from 2 tabs
A real lightning only build would probably pray to RNGesus for that one glove that heals from bare fist attacks or more likely try to zap everything before they land a single hit

>>538737537
It's a thing that doesn't exist in roguelikes, but there are games that pull it off. Diplomacy is a /tg/ example, everyone writes down their actions for the turn on a piece of paper and then opens them all at the same time, with the resulting movements and attacks all taking place at the same time mechanically.
Roguelikes look like simulturn but there is actually an order of operations under the surface, the results are just calculated and presented the moment you press that number key so it looks simultaneous.

I just realized I maybe don't really like Roguelikes

Roguelikes are "run based" games where the gameplay loop is changed each time thanks to possible upgrades obtained at the end of single runs which can then be used in the next ones

it is a genre that made use of technical limitations back in the days: few levels sometimes procedurally generated that becomes a strength thanks to this loop
they are sometimes characterized by ASCII graphics more or less simple with strong focus on inventory management
the action is turn based and most of the game relies on combat and exploration

now I did not have much experience with these games I pictured them as more arcade y if that makes sense and something that could give me a good dose of fun

honestly it did not happen like that I tried CoQ Stoneshard JHC even CDDA but these games do not click with me
I do understand though why they appeal to other people

>>538740738
>Roguelikes are "run based" games where the gameplay loop is changed each time thanks to possible upgrades obtained at the end of single runs which can then be used in the next ones
... are you sleepy or esl?

There is no upgrade system which persists between runs in a rougelike. Their certainly isn't one in cdda.

Someone confirm that CoQ does not have persistent upgrades.

>>538741043
while I am ESL, I'm not saying that the games I played have those: I was initally listing a series of characteristics I found while looking for roguelike games to play
for example JHC has some sort of meta progression where you unlock harder levels as you progress, but yes those kind of unlockables are usually more present in "rogue-lites"

what I'm trying to say is that is a confusing umbrella term and it took me a while to realize that these games are not for me because the genre definition keeps on changing and I'm trying to make it make sense

>>538739140
Ahhhh, Chamakana/Hera/Skerja, probably.
Tengu (maybe Lochra)/Nartaka. And then Tengri, for maximum WIGGLER mode, I guess.

You just stepdance everything to death.
Seeing any particular item is pretty much a given, if you check every location carefully, though how early it turns up is different.

Like I said though, higher Cycles also spoil you for Glory, idk if these skills get off the ground fast enough in Cycle 5

>>538740738
Roguelites are strongly differentiated from roguelikes by meta-progression: Unlocking items depending on run performance metrics that can then drop in the base game.
Few edge cases exist.

ASCII being a characteristic of roguelikes is a holdover (purely because no concerted effort to contest it has been made, especially with roguelites diluting the community so deeply, imo) from when almost every tileset for a roguelike sucked AND (possibly more importantly) that many roguelikes were designed with play via telnet or similar terminal based applications on some of the earliest networks in mind- And thus setting up to display tiles rather than draw the map with ASCII characters was somewhat impractical.

This is also where the "keyboard based, no mouse controls" thing comes from and is ALSO (imo) no longer a strongly defining characteristic.

If you want something more arcadey- if you're for some reason some newb hanging around in a graveyard oldfag general still -try Dungeons of Dredmor (piracy is illegal anon)(the company went out of business years ago) or Tome4 (the supporter class/expansions are kind of mid desu, but the otherwise full featured game is free)

Or just regular Jupiter Hell. Don't fuckin start out with JHC, JHC was made to appease literal tryhard old school fanatics.
Or DCSS- You can auto-explore/tab through a lot of DCSS, play MiBe to learn the ropes more. O-Tabbing MiBe in DCSS is top-tier arcade gameplay. Same with Tome4, premium autoexplore gameplay.

No shame in just sticking to FTL or Tiny Rogues or Dead Cells if you can't handle turnbased tilebased gaybased games

>>538741536
Ohhhh
Yeah, as noted in >>538742614
Roguelikes and roguelites should reallllly be considered two separate things- But roguelikes (these little tile based turnbased things) are such a comparatively niche genre that nobody really cared to differentiate them when breakout hits like Spelunky, Slay the Spire, FTL, etc were having such AMAZING success with marketing themselves that way- A lot of people would say those should be called roguelites, for clarity (the same way we switched from "doomlike" to "FPS"): Run based permadeath, unlockables, difficult, big learning curve, finnicky and complex mechanics, procgen pseudorandom gearing and levels, etc.

Rest assured, if you search for roguelike on Steam or something, you'll 90% get what you like. 99% if you ignore anything that looks tilebased. Some few games are also tagged as "roguelite" but it's kind of hit and miss owing to aforementioned lackluster adoption efforts by normies and normie marketers.

>>538742614
>>538742995
thanks fellas, much appreciated

Okayyyy....
I get that Slumberlings are "bears" but did this motherfucker really need to carry around THREE fuckin skins of honey??

>>538741536
Unlocking of new levels doesn't actually change the resources your character has in a particular run. If you select the same level, you get the same experience, and it is in no way easier to win any level.

While a more pure rougelike experience would not have unlockable levels/run types and would not have persistent information for the crafting of items, both manage to avoid attacking the point of the genera. The recipes are there, even if you can't look at them, and correct play is not altered based on how many levels you have unlocked.

>the genera definition keeps changing
Not so, just people being flippant with their words.

Games, even in the same genera, are not the same in the way that matters. Like, "racing game" is really conceptually easy, but there's a pretty big difference between mario cart (a simple cartoony game with random items that add chaos and violence to the game), trackmania (tiny little tracks which are different each week where people compete for the fastest possible times by repeatedly driving very tight and specific racing-paths), and Forza Horizon (realistic game with realistic cars where you collect every irl car in existence by running laps against other humans. )

The things which appeal to people about each of these games are wildly different, and so it isn't enough to see what the genera is and then decide if you like the game or not.

Finding a game you would personally like is just naturally difficult.

>I don't like rouges
Hey, you don't like the rouges you've played. Remember the difference. There's still something that drew you to them in the first place, and maybe you can find that, if you keep your heart open.
There's no rush. The definitions don't rule you, but serve you instead.
Just do what you like.

>>538739426
>>538738037
I think such a roguelike with simulturns could work. It's actually an interesting idea.

>>538747602
Anything could work, but simulturn works better with simplified list of actions, since conflicts will happen regularly and you more or less have to account for each pair of action potentially conflicting

Deadlike

any good simulturn roguelike recommendations?

I will be gone. If this thread dies again there will be a second happening tomorrow.

how do you commit crimes in elin. it doesnt let me just steal stuff

any ToME players? I found a crazy interaction with Murderblade and its Frenzy proc that insta kills you through unstoppable( and cauterize)
https://youtu.be/WzfrSrtnFHc

>>538763698
tome is full of spaghetti code so no surprise here
It is amazing that it is even playable
(I like it btw)

Finally had the time to play some more Jupiter Hell classic and I went for the Angel of Marksmanship UV challenge.
Got a Combat Handgun on my first game, but there was a blackout and the game doesn't autosave, so I had to start again.
Got a Deagle at some point and since I was going for a Sharpshooter build, ammo wasn't much of a concern so it was viable for the rest of the game. I still had to play with a normal gun for a good amount since I wanted to keep most of my .44 ammo for the last levels.
With Sharpshooter lvl 3 you can oneshot absolutely anything with an aimed shot, and at lvl 2 you also can if you invested some P mods into your weapon. I was aiming to make a Deagle with AP3 to check out how good the Demolition Rounds assembly was, but I never found a 3rd P mod.
I think that's one of my problems with this game. It feels like a really, really small version of DoomRL. There's less special levels to gather mods or rare weapons/mods, so trying to make an assebly other than Tactical Boots is almost never a thng that happens. A shame, since Whizkid seems pretty good in this game and you could do a run around it if the game had more ways to get mods.

>>538769054
In any case, Sharpshooter is OP enough to carry you, even if you have some bad luck with mods.
As long as you find a .762 sidearm or a plasma gun at some point, you're good to go.
Any exotic gun is a guaranteed win, as long as you don't get spawned in the middle of a bunch of monsters, or get swarmed by revived ones. To mitigate some of that bad luck, try to get Hellrunner once you get Sharpshooter, or after Sharpshooter+Whizkid 1 if you have a couple of P mods. Always have a couple of phase devices and envirosuits in case things get dicey. And with a couple of large medkits in your inventory as a guarantee, you can easily beat the last boss without even using aimed shots, but you can use them in its last phase because you can knock it back at that point and never get hit.

Now, I'll try Angel of Berserk to see how melee was reworked/balanced.

>>538739426
>Roguelikes look like simulturn but there is actually an order of operations under the surface, the results are just calculated and presented the moment you press that number key so it looks simultaneous.
Implementation vs presentation. The video's pegged an important factor in presentation, which is that you don't have to sit there and watch the "other side" make their moves, like you do in most turn-based games. How it works under the hood isn't all that important

For making a big deal about in the changlelog, survivor amor in tlg seems kind of underwhelming. I'm not convinced the hood is even better than the standard wetsuit hood you unlock two levels earlier and with a quarter of the crafting time.

>>538737537
that's literally how real life works rtard

>>538774108
>40 years, no one has any trouble with turnbased
>Now we need to call it simulturn
Ok, shillnon. Riddle me this- What's up with roguelikes that do all these animations and stuff?? I thought you said this was a simulturn genre! But everyone is taking their turn AFTER my turn before I get to go again! I can see it! In the combat log too! What gives???

>>538694991
How many years has this been posted ?

>>538784571
>40 years, no one has any trouble with turnbased
So, uh, you're saying that Final Fantasy is a roguelike? Cool!

>>538742995
Kek gamedev here, I have "roguelike" in my game's description and just like my pal another gamedev who uses the same naming convention, we get a few screechers about it. In the end we have thousands of reviews between us who gladly call it a roguelike and as such it's a roguelike by our definition not le heckin berlin interpretation a few hold to. Even by that definition ToME doesn't count as a roguelike lel.

>>538784874
>It's simulturn because the turns happen at the same time
"ok anon, if it looks like that to you it's just because the computer is fast and does all the turns in order, sequentially, and it only takes a moment before it's your turn again"
>well it should be called simulturn because that's what the game LOOKS like
"Again, anon, that's not quite right- A lot of games these days do little animations for each move and you can see they go in order. Also, the combat log will show this too, that effects are resolved sequentially, not simultaneously"

You understand that, right? The initial explanation starts from the premise that you believe it to be a simultaneous turn mistakenly and deduces why you would think that- Many roguelikes LOOK like that (for the reason described) but aren't.
When you try to insist that because it looks like that it's a hallmark of the genre, it's further explained that most roguelikes look like that but many don't and basically none of them try to look like that on purpose.

minecraft hardcore is a roguelike
it has permadeath
randomgen
levelling and gear prog
square graphics
resource mangement

>>538786326
I have a gun in Qud, that makes it a firstperson shooter right?
^This is the same argument that was in the video, by the way.
One single facet isn't enough to just tack the entire genre on there and call it "well described"
You're flailing to post-facto justify this simulturn when you should've abandoned it the first time someone clarified the difference for you

>>538786678
Honestly, if it were turn-based and... Gridlocked? Minor mechanical overhaul to the controls, rounding off knockback/jump values to make that work?
I probably wouldn't complain. Not the first first-person roguelike dungeoncrawler I've seen.
...maybe like the third

There was this one shareware I played way back in the day, first person view, you had to manually turn left and right and it used a turn, too. Had these funny menus in the function keys that let you open up "cheats" for the paid version like "Melt floors" or "Become god"
Anyone know the one?

>>538786534
Yes, I know how they work, I'm a game dev. The description he's using isn't perfect, but it's describing what the genre feels like. Most traditional turn-based games take great care to show you everything your opponents are doing, 'cause it's important.
But roguelikes have very small, granular turns, and can have huge numbers of enemies, so from a UI standpoint it's necessary to skim over the 136 ants each taking one step towards the player and get to the player's turn so he can take one step.

Sure, it's kinda stupid from a technical standpoint, but it's a wholly workable way of describing the difference in gameplay IMO

Roguelike definition is too vague anyways.
Fire Emblem can count since its turn-based, grid based, has permadeath, RPG mechanics, resources since weapons break and random gen since enemies your units and enemies have random stats.

>>538786369
>even the Berlin interpretation says it's more guideline than rulebook
ffs, why are people so awkwardly pedantic?

Yeah man, I thought I gave enough credence to the fact that the "turnbased gridbased Berlin-adjacent roguelike" community is so much smaller than the larger "adopted-roguelike-as-a-marketing-term" genre fans that there's no real point to arguing against it, really?

In this thread. In the thread before last.
Hell, a lotta roguelike fans are roguelite fans...
-and I use these words not because I believe it's pragmatic to try to get the larger gaming sphere onboard but because you and I both know what they mean and we're discussing the different genres specifically here-
...But not a lot of roguelite fans are roguelike fans.

Which, again, was the thrust of my discussion with the other anon. >You could try rogulike X, Y or Z for free but this isn't that kind of roguelike general- It should be what you're looking for elsewhere though

Where did I go wrong, anon? Why bully?

>>538787456
And yet, somehow, still
Roguelike enjoyers know it's not a roguelike, and more of a tactics battler (with weird storybased succession/character relationship management options)
Fire Emblem falls on the wrong side of Path of Achra- Instanced battles, lots of weird control modality, player "fields units" rather than "controls (a) character(s)" and it has an excessively structured story and gameplay progression- Entering and exiting levels is rarely at the player's sole discretion, for example.

It's more of a sliding scale than a uh, categorical checklist, right? You can have "roguelike elements" and not "be a roguelike" and it doesn't have to be a gotcha moment.
This naming convention, defining genres thing is to help people figure out what games they might like. It's not some... competition. Not every game needs to be shoehorned as a "soulslike" to sell 22% more units.

I think Path of Achra is a fine example for pushing the boundaries of what a roguelike is, in fact. I think it is.
Any thoughts?

>>538788459
>Not every game needs to be shoehorned as a "soulslike" to sell 22% more units
BRB, gonna design a cooking sim and label it a "soulslike"

>>538786326
It is if I hit the fast forward button on my emulator because it makes the turns go really fast

>>538787123
Ok, it feels like you're trying to revive a dead genre by baiting in players you're worried might be turned off by the (often) slower paced visual animations of turn-based menu battlers like Pokemon/FF.
And I'm really just trying to accurately describe a genre I'm intimately familiar with. Specifically I dislike simulturn because it implies a mechanical interaction that isn't there and has, as I recall, featured heavily in several "introduction to roguelikes" across forum posts, videos and even in roguelike Help files as a "common misconception" people have when they first see how most roguelikes typically play.

I'm open to working towards a compromise- Can you think of some more apt phrase to indicate that the player's turn is the central focus of the game and that enemy turns are executed quickly and without lengthy animations? Something like... Instant turn? Animationless? Fast animation? Rapid PC turn? Quick simulated actions, with or without animations? Somewhere in there?

>>538788660
Too slow

Actually, come to think of it, I really liked uh... Dave the Diver/Potionomics, weirdly enough, around the same time.
Fuck do you call that kind of recipe juggling thing?
An Atelier-like?

>>538789137
>Can you think of some more apt phrase to indicate that the player's turn is the central focus of the game and that enemy turns are executed quickly and without lengthy animations? Something like... Instant turn? Animationless? Fast animation? Rapid PC turn? Quick simulated actions, with or without animations? Somewhere in there?
A better term would be good, "simulturn" is a stupid way of saying it. But it's reaching for something I feel is an important characteristic of the genre, one which allows you to have the massive numbers of mobs moving and acting without slowing things to a crawl.
>Instant turn? Animationless? Fast animation? Rapid PC turn? Quick simulated actions, with or without animations?
But these are all really terrible as well. I dunno, man

>>538789137
>Ok, it feels like you're trying to revive a dead genre by baiting in players you're worried might be turned off by the (often) slower paced visual animations of turn-based menu battlers like Pokemon/FF.
And no, my game isn't in the genre. I just fucking love roguelikes. I played Rogue back when it was state of the art, I beat Larn, I ascended in Nethack.
I feel like trying to make a definition of what roguelikes are is somewhere out in "P = NP" territory, where you could spend your life trying to work it out, and there's always gonna be somebody there to poke holes in whatever you came up with.

>>538789790
Important, but not primary.

If you had a procedural fire emblem campaign with permadeath and constant saves, it would fall into the rougelike genera.

Slowly coming together-
One of the gutsmongers at Six Day coughed up an electric generator, so now I've got my Masterwork Phasecannon Jacked up. Scrounged together the bits to fit an antimatter cell with a Radio for it, too, so I'm blasting.
The Knollworm Skull is giving me Temporal Fugue, so I can't ditch that.
Might get rid of the Grav-Sled soon as I have something worth fitting in there- Should get the Dusk Lens soon, at least, but I really want the leylines of course. Only got one Neutron dram so far.
Got my first polygel, few more and I can dupe up the cloning dram and schrodinger's page.

Bit of a problem at uh, bear central. I dropped a Legendary Putus Templar I love injectored off there thinking the turrets would handle him without giving me the rep hit (bastard had my gun rack AND a shield upgrade wielded).

So all the bears are dead and I had to tunnel to Otho's office to start Omonporch.
No worries though.

Any good Carbide Chef recipes to put together? I finally fished out a +4 Ego/Psychometry so I can get the last few complexities down with +1 more ego.
And how do I wean myself off of fucking Night Vision cybernetics??

>>538790592
For more information google Sonic Infla- Check out Fields of Potentiality

Qud's modern ui should have stopped at graphical tiles and zoomable map and left the rest of the ascii layout alone (sidebar, menus etc)

What are some roguelikes with snipers?
Hardmode: no DDA tankdrones

>>538793694
tome4

>>538793694
Elona+

>Attack one guy
>Run away and rest
>repeat
Why are roguelikes fun exactly? At least with cyoa gamebooks there are sometimes different endings and shit you can get depending on your choices but in roguelikes you're just killing monsters and dying because you didn't use a cheap strategy endlessly.

>>538800158
Play Nethack and see how your one cheap strategy works out for you

>>538793694
LCS

>>538800746
No thanks, I've had enough of getting kicked in the nuts by every letter of the alphabet for one day. I'll stick to games for straight people.

>>538694991
If it isn't fun and boomers love it it's a roguelike

>the stilt merchants are biting today
Are you getting your recommended daily dose, rlg? A balanced diet is important, you know.

>>538791128
You can get addicted to cybernetics?

>>538807098
Immortan Joe told me not to become addicted to water, but he didn't say shit about being addicted to seeing the entire screen.

Pentrating Radar I guess.
Or I get a Multiscanner and replace my VISAGE with Interpolators?
There's not really any hidden objects are there, after that one troll and mines, right?

>>538769054
>>538769775
After splatting for the whole day trying to beat AoB with 100% kills on UV, I've determined it's almost impossible to do it without some kind of extreme luck involved. Berserk powerups barely spawned in the first 4 levels during all of my runs, and when I was able to get the Berserk trait, I was never able to make it work. I don't really know how many times you have to hit "popcorn" (can't even call them popcorn because I was never able to kill things in a single hit, even with Brute 3) but I was only triggering it irregularly after hitting like 6 times or more without moving from the spot I was. In DoomRL it was like 4 hits to trigger it, so I hoped it would be more in that ballpark.
Talking about DoomRl, it was also pretty hard to get an UV AoB run going in there, with Hell Knights appearing in level 3 to eat all of your medpacks and your armors, but it was doable if you could trigger Berserk in the actual popcorn that did die in one hit with only Brute 2.
And if you could get to the Chained Court in level 4 you could pick up the Chainsaw at the start of the level, which was your ultimate answer to everything from there on.
In JHC you can pick up a Machete if you clear one of the special levels fully, but you have to clear them with your knife that can't oneshot anything and since powerups spawn rarely in this game, you're bound to reach those special levels badly hurt and with little to no medpacks left, so even if you somehow get the Machete at the end of the level, you're not gonna last long after that, since the Machete doesn't have the same stopping power the Chainsaw had and you're gonna fight against the equivalent of Revenants with that.

TL;DR: AoB UV seems to be unbeatable at 100% kills right now, or at least incredibly dependant on either luck or... well, just luck.
Maybe it will change in a later update, but unless you do some Stealth cheese strats, don't bother trying it now.

>>538793694
Frog

Would I like ADOM if I don't care much for nethack?

what are some roguelikes for uh
I'm tired and this is stupid

>>538810629
AoB UV 100% is pretty doable with Tech + drones, but on the JH discord there's a beta that makes melee more viable in general.

>>538722037
The point isn't that the turns are mechanically simultaneous but that they effectively are and perceived as such.
Quasimorph's missions are incredibly roguelike in most of their aspects, but multi-action turns make the game play way different and much closer to a tactical shooter like XCOM than to what most people perceive as a roguelike game.

The decision of not processing actions actually simultaneously is merely a design choice as most actions in roguelike games are instant and simply induce a "turn cooldown" on completion.
The energy systems used by modern roguelikes can easily support queued actions with activation and duration times resulting in a possibility of things happening truly simultaneously.
It's just actually implementing that in a genre with traditionally minimal visual feedback would result in nothing but frustration and confusion, hence why no one does it.
It's not anywhere close to being an actual genre-defining characteristic and neither is it an actual meaningful mechanical aspect.

You tunnel-visioning on this technicality is completely retarded and pointless - you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

>>538821195
That Quasimorph turn-based mechanic however makes it extremely slow and annoying to play the game optimally - which really doesn't work in a game where you're supposed to grind missions (very unroguelike missions BTW).

>>538821195
The thing that you are perceiving isn't accurately described by the term. The fact that your preception is real doesn't mean that you used correct words to describe it. Calling other people pedantic because you said a completely wrong thing while having the correct spirit in your heart regarding your own intended meaning is dumb bastard behavior.

Simply use a more accurate term, or else perpetuate confusion willfully out of nothing more but the willful refusal to accept correction.

The person saying "maybe select a better term, any better term" is not in a tunnel.
The person saying "I'm going to stick with this because it's what I already stuck wiith" is.
Don't be that person.

The alternative is an infinite repeating future of basically this exact shitty conversation over and over between different people.

>>538821503
>Calling other people pedantic
I do not call people pedantic, do not put words into my mouth.
Pedantic people usually know what they are talking about.
I'm calling people "retarded" because the people in question don't.
>because you said
Also, take your meds, you're responding to my first post ITT.

There's such a thing as arguing in good faith.
When the statement goes along the lines of "simultaneous turns" everyone with a brain would understand that in the context of defining a genre, the point is very unlikely be a mechanical fucking implementation.
To bring up the implementation technicalities you either have to be an unironic retard or a nigger arguing in bad faith. Pick your poison.

>>538821909
>To bring up the implementation technicalities you either have to be an unironic retard or a nigger arguing in bad faith.
Why can't he just be autistic like the rest of us?

>>538821909
In good faith, you would note the obvious intention of "pedantic" combined with it's technical accuracy instead of pointing out the obvious fact that you didn't use the word, or at least notice that nobody actually said you specifically used the word. And you certainly wouldn't use your own subjective anecdotal association with the common users of the word in order to refuse to process the argument you are responding to.

>my first post
Fine, but it doesn't change anything I want to say. You're still advocating on the side of keeping the word the same, and so still carry the same burden, even if I would have to make a grammatical adjustment in order to properly direct my comment at you in particular.

>mechancial implementation IS on topic
>implementation techncialities aren't
see that doesn't mean anything
you're whole argument here is your own dismissivness, and nothing more. Mechanical implementation IS technical, and beneath the notice of the average normal consumer.

While "mechanics" might be notable, "mechanical implementation" certainly wouldn't be, unless you are attempting to categorizes or design games, in which case it suddenly matters how they are constructed and WHY they feel certain ways to play.

>>538822596
So an unironic retard it is, gotcha.
Thanks for letting me know.

I'm just saying I'm not reading the reddit posts, thank you.

>>538822905
>muh reddit spacing
fuck off newfag

I can't believe people still argue with the simulturn retard in the current year.
That nigga's IQ so low he probably is actually black.

Roguelikes are just real-time-with-pause fight me.

>>538830831
Tile based is just 3d-with-large-pixles

happy?

I will work on my ragulike today! Wish me luck!
odds - uphold promise
evens - don't
primes - jerk of then try again

>>538821195
i have never once perceived turns to be simultaneous, and they are not "effectively" that. there's obvious ordering because enemies i kill or disable on my turn do not get their turn.
what a dumb argument.

1% of the people hold 95% of the wealth
1% of people fuck 95% of the women
we are the oppressed masses

>>538834341
Roguelikes where you can play as the 1%?

>>538834380
you definitely have a 1% winrate
lmao gotten

Roguelikes where I can engrave my bullets with my ideaologies (such as the Berlin interpretation)?

>>538832748
>I never once perceived the thing in the way it was deliberately designed to be perceived and in the way virtually everyone perceives it
>It is very obvious because when I do a very specific thing that composes a minuscule part of a combat encounter total-time-wise, it happens to work that that way, ignoring all the cases where it doesn't, such as ToME projectiles that do have travel times
Aren't you very smart and special.

>>538836746
>designed to be perceived
nigga a lack of animation isn't a design choice
you are giga dumb
go check your thermostat and report back to us your IQ

>>538834380
adom, merchant (gnomish). fling da bling

>>538821195
Still championing simulturn? F'real? Bro, argue with yourself:

>It's just actually implementing that...would result in nothing but frustration and confusion, hence why no one does it.
>It's not anywhere close to being an actual genre-defining characteristic and neither is it an actual meaningful mechanical aspect.

So why INSIST on calling it that when no one does it, it would be frustrating to play and only confuses people?
inb4 "Oh well it kind of looks like that"
Where the fuck is Coghate bro when you need him?
>You try to offer an alternative to the simulturn stan but he already made his choice

>>538830831
desu in any real-time with pause game I hate having to constantly try and time everything so I don't waste seconds doing nothing.
Cultist Simulator in particular pissed me the fuck off about that, having to minmax the exact second something went off to keep your loops intact. Really glad Book of Hours fixed that by just giving you giant fuck off time segments to drunkenly stumble around in while keeping a similar cards-turn-into-timers gameplay convention

>>538836943
>Still
meds
>So why INSIST
take your meds.

I'm not insisting on anything.
I'm stating very clearly that the whole "the turns aren't simultaneous in a technical sense" argument is incredibly retarded and completely misses the point of the conversation.
Specifically "simultrun" sounds retarded, but the full phrase is descriptive enough to convey the message.

The entire problem with the interpretation of "roguelike". you underage retard, is that people are always failing at making it clear and concise.
I'm yet to hear a better descriptor than something along the lines of
>"hack 'n' slash RPG with simultaneous granular turns"
And the big reveal, you dumb fuck, is that if you make the turns TRULY simultaneous, NOTHING will fucking change. That's why it's NOT the point.
You do not define a genre by something that literally doesn't fucking matter.

If you have a better description of the above - go ahead. No one is stopping you.

>>538837473
It would though. That would change how the game functions wildly.

You can say something more like "it wouldn't change the core of how the game feels to play"
but if you say that, then you're saying that simultaneity ISN'T part of the genera, in either direction, inclusive of exclusive.

Your argument, taken directly and accepted, leads to the conclusion that simulturn and normal-turn games belong in the same genera.

genuinely, die

>>538837473
Like >>538839139 said, you keep turning your own argument. Roguelikes are a pretty technical bunch of games, too- The meat of tactics gameplay is HEAVILY reliant on understanding how the enemy will react to your actions. I don't understand the /benefit/ to using simulturn to mean "It's turnbased but also you can take your turns basically as fast or slow as you want, usually, since the computer can process its turn fast"

Nevermind that a handful of heavy hitter well-polished commercial roguelikes DO (by default, though most can be turned off) insist that sitting there and watching a dozen bump-n-wiggle animations and sound effects is the intended experience

Where's your simulturn god when I'm watching Qud bounce a geomagnetic disc all over my screen, fighting for input control or when I load up Dredmor and every attack and dodge is a laboriously slow tifuck teasefest?

>>538839139
>That would change how the game functions
Which makes literally no difference for defining a genre
>"it wouldn't change the core of how the game feels to play"
Which is paramount to defining a genre.

Anyone with a brain understands that.
>then you're saying that simultaneity ISN'T part of the genera
No, you fucking retard, that's NOT what I'm saying.
I'm saying that the technicality of the turns being or not being REALLY simultaneous doesn't fucking matter.
The FEELING of
>the world moves when you move
is what matters. And "simultaneous turns" happens to encapsulate both the fact the game is fundamentally turn-based AND the feeling of the world moving together with you.
It is the one feature if you remove out of a roguelike that will make it feel like something entirely different.

In fact, Diablo has literally started as a pure roguelike game but then the devs have decided to make the "turns" happen on their own.
And doing just that was enough to completely change the genre.

>>538840084
>I'm saying that the technicality of the turns being or not being REALLY simultaneous doesn't fucking matter.
then they both belong in the same genera
are you ok?

>>538840084
>Diablo
Isn't that real time?
Completely off topic.

>>538840084
...You don't think how the game functions is relevant to defining a key characteristic of it?
Simultaneous isn't some buzzword for "happens real fast" anon
I don't know why you settled on simulturn for low-animation.
Turn based is fine. The simulation of the world is based on turns. The gameplay is based on deciding what to do on your turn. When your turn happens, that's the basis for the computer to take its turn.

Is it just the "People will think it's le fuckin Final Fantasy" thing still?? Baby, what's the deal?

>>538839827
>tfw no laboriously slow titfuck tease

>>538839139
>Your argument, taken directly and accepted, leads to the conclusion that simulturn and normal-turn games belong in the same genera.
No, you retard.
My argument when taken directly and accepted, points out that the "turns appearing to be simultaneous" are genre-defining for roguelikes.
It again, retard, can be easily demonstrated by taking something like a TBS and inspecting the gameplay difference switching turns to simultaneous (i.e. asynchronous) would create.
Because, retard, it should be clear (yes, even to someone as retarded as you are), that the change would create a MASSIVE gameplay difference for a TBS.
That wouldn't change the genre, because "TBS" is an incredibly wide umbrella and the specifics of "turns" literally do not matter on that level. But it would create enough of a difference to engage or completely turn off large groups of people on that distinction alone.

Meanwhile, in a roguelike, the distinction between turns being or not being actually simultaneous will amount to noise. If you provide a way of clearly telegraphing the state of enemy actions as well as allow the player to quickly and precisely estimate the "startup" of theirs, it'd be a nearly universal improvement.
In ToME4 you can literally get killed after you make your turn that was supposed to kill or disable the enemy that ultimately killed you due to the projectile travel time I've mentioned before.

You are literally failing to comprehend how is something paramount to the gameplay experience expected from the genre happens to constitute the definition of the genre, while something that has literally no effect on the aforementioned gameplay experience expected doesn't.
I can't explain it further than that. We're hitting the point of you being required to not be retarded enough to understand what words mean.
>>538839827
You are just retarded, anon.

>>538840506
He's that anon fag from last thread who said "le Berlin interpretation was only made to stop Diablo from getting called a roguelike"
Which, fuck, I wasn't there I guess man maybe. It was a handful of greasy nerds just a bit before going to cons hit mainstream culture again. I'm surprised they were as even handed and open-minded as they were, desu.

Even then, no one is using the Berlin Interpretation as a serious Berlin Rubric. It's, at best, a shorthand for "I mean roguelikes, not roguelites, google sonic inflation for more information"
Full of superseded limitations and non-binding conventions, is what it is- At least it's not fuckin hung up on some dumb buzzword. At least when I say roguelite in this thread I know I'm never going to fucking making fetch happen

>>538840938
Take your meds you retard.
Holy fuck, I keep forgetting why I barely come to this general.

>>538840379
Anon, you might notice that this post is EXTREMELY FUCKING FRUSTRATING.
It is frustrating because of the choice to express the thing being expressed using these particular words. The primary word being borrowed to form this message is "simultaneous." In order to properly communicate information about the technical mechanical details of these games, that word MUST be used in THIS EXACT WAY.

It becomes frustrating BECAUSE of your choice to create a super extra bastardization of a word which claims the form of this already-existent word.

You are being frustrated by the EXACT lack of clarity and accuracy which you are being warned about. You are doing it to yourself.

>>538840938
My opinion on rougelites started with the binding of issac. From there, I played so many rougelites that I figured out what a rougelike must be like mostly from deduction, and then played a few.

Didn't read the berlin thing until a week ago, and think both that it is silly and that the haters are twice as silly.

Okay faggots
Final Fantasy is a roguelike.
The only thing sadder than posting in this general is arguing in this general
And the only thing sadder than that is trying to force your micropeen status e-celeb youtuber video into the OP in every. Single. Thread.

Man debating the insane left frustrated

>>538841352
I'm a little agog that a bunch of sweats having a circlejerk at some random fuckoff meetup managed to widely enough disseminate their manifesto that it's became the slightly-shitty-copper standard for defining the genre. But I'm even more surprised that it's so ubiquitous and nobody has managed to imprint their (shitty simulturn or not) V 2.0 draft draft final UPDATED draft V 3.0 THIS ONE !!!!! final "improvement" to the definition.
I bet all you'd have to do is shitpost in rlg for a week and you'd catch all eleven roguelike fans in the world

>>538840636
How I sleep at night being a knower

>>538841915
doesn't count if she's a butterface

>>538841712
Well, you would need the rest of the internet homos to agree with you at all, in that you would need to actually appeal to them.

And there's no reason to do that, because again, hating on the Berlin definition is dumb.

If you're literate, then you should be able to comprehend the general idea which the berlin definition is going for, and the fact that is it only going for the general idea. If you find an outright flaw with it, that just means you personally have enough information that you can personally improve on your understanding of the genera enough to surpass the berlin interpretation. Congratulations.

That doesn't really help the people with less information than you. They need a shitty copper-level guide which makes the fact that it is imperfect perfectly clear.

Pretending you're good enough to supersede the current working "interpretation" means claiming that what you've provided is an actual "definition", which is pointless, because people don't need actual definitions for any other genera in any other medium. You aren't told what a genera is. You experience it, and then maybe express it to those who ask.

That's what normal-people do, rather than getting caught up on forcing an inaccurate term while telling other people how caught up they are.

>>538836746
>a very specific thing
enemies dying is not exactly a rare happening in fights, my retarded friend

>projectile travel time
if you heal or otherwise react it'll happen always and only before that projectile lands. there is no mystery about the ordering.
or is using my defensive abilities too specific of a thing as well?

Roguelikes about profound retardedness? Like you can make a 3 INT character in Fallout 1/2 and expect the game to react to you differently.

>>538844281
I think they're just legitimately bad at the game(s) man.
I kind of used to think in a similar way too- I'd think I was getting hit because I moved into a tile the enemy had tried to step into, or that I could juke (basic) enemy AI with weird movement. It's just literally not understanding the actual fundamental basics of the game that leads to this.

>>538844630
Try miscasting in DCSS, anon.
I think a handful have shopkeepers treat you differently based on your conducts or stats or god or whatever- I wanna say it was a thing in some *bands but I never played any.

How do you mean, though? There's not often a lot of dialogue- Does no selling malmutate spam because you worship Zin count?

>>538844281
The act of enemy dying where it would actually matter is a very minor part of a combat exchange.
If you assume any unspecified amount of "startup" and "recovery" time instead of every action being instant, the practical application of that difference would play ANY role in a minority of encounters and would actually matter in a minuscule amount.
>there is no mystery about the ordering
You can't even run a simple combat simulation you're this fucking stupid.
Observe:
>enemy has 1 HP
>you shoot an arrow at the enemy
>while arrow travels enemy gets its turn because it was 99% "there" when you shot the arrow
>it uses an instant ability and hits you
>you die
That's an actual scenario that happens in ToME relatively frequently and it's one of the reason to never rely on projectile skills to actually do anything.

That's the thing you're missing. A functional brain.
I understand what you're trying to say better than you do and I'm telling you it doesn't matter.
You are too retarded to understand why. You are simply incapable of comprehending the topic at hand.
You're lacking critical thinking.

>>538845135
That's just simulating travel time and action length, my guy.
The act of "taking your turn" is picking an action.
It's not being done simultaneously. We're not playing BattleCON, brother, we're playing "I go, he goes that guy goes the other one goes a different one goes the next one goes she goes, I go"

turn-based simulation game
izi
Just because multiple things can be happening simultaneously (i.e. during each timestep/gametstate) doesn't mean that the turns are being taken "simultaneously"
It's still just "turn based" because your control of the game happens in a turn-by-turn manner. "Simultaneous turns" introduces some bizarre complex mechanical resolution to conflicting actions that, as noted, essentially never make it into a game

>>538846259
See. You're just retarded.

Roguelikes where you play as a 22 year old?

>>538775260
Isn't it a use both case? one is close to skin and the other is overtop.

>>538846748
there are no roguelikes about being a child

>>538847794
In what state is a child 22 year old

>>538848315
>In what state is a child 22 year old
in my mental state.

So uhhhhh

>>538852909
Oh, it's really hugging the west wall, I think the dumb bastard spotted someone in the lounge somehow. Just had to disable it again and walk him more east and it locked onto Bep now

Roguelikes with furries in them?

Just tinkered like 10 batches of 20 nuclear cells up and down
Zero auto-tinkers to high-capacity
What's the point, seriously. These are 5 license points? You're kidding.
The only thing I can think of is that it's priced based on you duping bits using that one quest reward (I think you can, at least), not because it's THAT useful to have a measly 10% bit chance or tinker in combat.

These should have a UI to let you craft grenades as you throw them or do something useful- Or keep them as "pure downtime" buff and just change them to gloves.

>>538854747
You, the player.

>>538821150
I forgot they added those drones that make the early game a joke, but I want to play as something else than tech, for God's sake.
Why is that class so OP?
>on the JH discord there's a beta
I'll check it out and see what's new. Hopefully there's more levels because I still feel the game's pretty barren in that department right now.

>loot a zombie
>notices each bullet is considered individual item
>turns out they have different etchings on them

Ay
AY YO
Hol up

>>538863450
it would really help if you said what the fuck was important with your post, the message log doesn't help, you suck, and qud is a shit game.

I think I might not actually put it on- Maybe if it was the concussion one, I dunno if "built in random recoiler" is really all that great

>>538863652
It's just a rare item anon. Maybe you should jerk off about it if you're so mad lmao

>>538864246
>install this rocket chair on your back
>only REAL MEN can do this btw

>>538864484
The mutantcel fears the Lil Rascal pilled mog-kin flex.
Please excuse me, I have a pile of 17 male jewel merchants whose stones need to be polished, I'll be back in two weeks once I'm done

>>538868759
> I have a pile of 17 male jewel merchants whose stones need to be polished
least homosexual caves of qud player

do you remember when people used to play videogames around here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=varF12Qz9sw

>>538864246
>permanently grafting yourself into a chair

>>538761428
anyone?

>>538810629
Well, forget everything I said. It turns out you can actually win AoB UV 100% kills without extreme cheese, but the answer was to not use Berserk at all! Or at least not at the start.
Seems like the actual play was to get Angry Mofo since that trait gives you a shitload of damage, much more than getting Brute 3 and the only condition to have that massive damage is to be at half health more or less, which you're probably gonna be most of the time even if you don't want to. It also has Tough as Nails as a requisite, so you get pretty tanky even if you're at low health.

I probably should've changed to my katana for the final hit to complete the cosplay, though...

>>538896370
The trick to survive the first levels is to throw knives at everything from a corner, then you punch them when they come near you and then you recover your knife. Use your adrenaline if there's a lot of enemies or if you're trying to punch a Reaver. Rinse and repeat.
If you reach the Valhalla Command or the Millitary Barracks, you can camp one of the starting doors, drop a used armor at the door and bait zombies into trying to pick it up to get them in meee range so you don't get completely obliterated by going into the open field yourself.

After getting the Machete, you're probably gonna be good to go for whatever traits you want. I didn't even need the Master Trait during that run but I had to commit to the cosplay.
I had like 20 large medpacks at the end of that run, probably could've used a couple of them at some points but I was greedy.
The Megalixir Syndrome strikes again.

look at this dot jpg.
every time I do I get erect.

I'm gonna spit in your mouth, anon

Roguelikes with femdom???

This son of a bitch
They actually abduct you to a featureless dark room with no exit
I got Meazel'd. They stuck me in a fucking hole in the rock. Fuck offf

>kicking enemies into walls build in stoneshard
>doing well
>do my first t4
>boss clips through wall when I kick him and doesn't get stunlocked
>die
I'm so fucking mad right now. motherfucker just noclipped.

non linear roguelikes?

>>538931219
Hyper-rogue
Uhhh...
Ostranauts
Qud and Moonring and DDA
Any of the other *bands where you can fuck off to do whatever in different towns, as above
I might say TOME but no- Not because of the quests, but because it's pretty strict about the level/zone order- More "branching on the way" like DCSS is.
Orc Massage

>>538864246
So
Did you know that uh
Strata 1-20 count as Zone Tier 7 underneath Baroque Ruins AND that most merchants will draw most of their restock based on the tier they're currently in, not on the tier of the zone they spawned in?
Super interesting stuff.
Theoretically if you put a merchant in a Tier 8 zone...

That's a 50% chance at a 6% chance of a 1 in 4 chance to get the Cathedra you want!

...It's not the Cathedra I want, but I've also got 9 Beps all boofing cave slime down here, so that's a good handful of rolls per refresh.

>>538936446
Here we go.
Down and down and down.
20 levels of hell to go

I found Infra Arcana more enjoyable before the massive overhaul to the gameplay. Anyone else feel this way?

>>538841915
>tfw no wife with humongous boobies
Roguelike's for this feel?

>>538939601
I mean, ask yourself if what's attached tot he humongus boobies is worth the wifing

>>538939601
all roguelikes let you feel what it's like to have no wife

>>538951696
brb gonna load up Cataclysm and make a pancake breakfast for me and my mutant wife. Cyborg + Mutant OTP

tru

>>538854747
is there any roguelike without furries?

>>538956461
GearHead.

Roguelikes that cost $80, or even more with DLCs that aren't out?

>>538834692
god, I wish

>>538957927
Ew.

>>538841915
sexo

>>538834341
If I had a choice I'd rather have enough wealth to live as a modeset neet for the rest of my life than to have a plain looking wife. Both are things I'd enjoy but I hate having to wage more than I hate not having a wife I can get grabby with. All that time I can now spend playing video games or really long roguelikes like Caves of Qud without worrying that I should be looking for a job or going to sleep on time lest I be fired. That'd be nice....I'm a neet now but knowing I need to be making money gets in the way of being able to play long games.

dumb elin question, but any tips for leveling alchemy, jewelry and taming?
ignored taming for the first 400 hours or so and now starting to feel that i really need those little girls bred with milk i milk from men with my dream larvae to survive in high level nefia.
jewelry is somewhat doable but alchemy seems really tedious to level up

>>538976465
>i really need those little girls bred with milk i milk from men with my dream larvae to survive in high level nefia.
Huh.

>>538978665
little girls are a monster species, gifting food laced with aphrodisiac bugs a succubus player can squeeze out of themselves sometimes makes them drop milk (and fertilized eggs if you are lucky), feeding said milk to npcs hatched from said eggs gives them stat boosts based on who the milk came from. taming skill is low so can't get the full effect of ubermilk i have gotten from strong npcs so i'm still using my starting little girl & co

>>538980376
I see.

>>538980376
no stranger than elona ranches for milk and meat

>>538980376
some manmade horrors are best left uncomprehended

I want to assert that despite everything else, this general's taste is better than /indie/'s. Mostly because /indie/ enjoys dogshit games, and people here enjoy no games.

I got my tarot reading today meow

>>538982982
The only winning move is not to play.

Someone sell me on CoQ.

>>538984828
>enter coq
>get follower
>nick-name follower anon
>sell them
is this possible?

roguelike feel 4

>>538984828
It's an obtuse piece of shit with retardedly complex to-hit and damage-roll mechanics which, as far as I can tell, are written that way only to seriously tier-gate your damage 90% of the time.

It also has tons of nifty little retarded features that are a lot of fun once you figure out what the fuck is going on with the to-hit and penetration rolls, and what skills are good early for not dying.

Try before you buy, anon. Play the prebuilt and check out Qudzoo for some early game tips and to learn what gear is good for what and how to trigger the quests.

I'm trying an unarmed char in dda, and punching seems to train both unarmed and bashing. Is unarmed skill just for unlocking the special moves and bashing is for damage or what?

>>538994057
>download DDA
>first option available is to turn on manual saves
this is an rpg.
>>>/indie/

>>538995326
save slots soon

>>538952547
what kind of mutant

>>539002437
Phasing and web weaving so you can lay and harvest your own phase silk and scum merchants early

in elin, i keep eating human flesh by accident because i cant tell its human (machine infantry fucking elite how tf is this a human besides the main quest the guy speaking in nymelle) and anyway i have 77 insanity. i dont know what it does or what its for but i think a blessed potion of restore mind fixes it because i know a healer and normal pots dont. any help or info cuz the wiki is pretty sparse

>>539002834
phasing is a mutation in bright nights?

or is that a magiclysm thing

>>538842286
the general idea is fucking retarded because roguelikes are very well-defined by anyone with a brain while the berlin interpretation could allow Super Mario Bros to be a roguelike if it had permadeath and procgen levels
if you're literate you'll be more capable of understanding how retarded it is
the berlin interpretation is not a "shitty copper-level guide", it is an outright misinterpretation of what roguelikes are
normalfags who cannot intuitively understand what a roguelike is by comparing the gameplay of rogue to giants in the genre ('bands, tome, elona, nethack, sil, CDDA, DCSS, ect.) are irredeemable retards and should not be considered for any conversation
the most obvious definition would be isolating what makes RLs fundamentally unique when compared to any other genre or type of game
this would be a 2d grid-based simultaneous-appearing turn-based game
you can't call them simulturn-based but you can't say it's like, say, Fire Emblem because that game has specific phases that aren't defined in a typical rogue game-state
any other mechanic is superfluous in defining the genre and anyone who isn't retarded would immediately understand how the definition provided defines everything that is known to be a rogue-like by this general's standards and by the "traditional rogue-like" community at large
tome4, angband, elona, cdda, coq, cogmind, DRL, nethack, dcss, IVAN, all of these games fall under that definition, whereas games such as undermine, TBOI, FTL, Hades, spelunky, nuclear throne, ect. don't

who's ready?

I'm a cloud master. I have
>Naga spit posion breath
>mephitic cloud
>ignite posion
>freezing cloud
>inner flame
>fulminant prism
I literally just clear the screen like it's nothing so far. Very fun character build.

>>539013092
I've always thought of roguelikes as text adventure games with automapping and a very terse interface.

>>539017004
My favorite is the disco wizard who has toxic radiance and ignite poison. You just stand in place on the upstairs making the screen flash until everything is dead.
Ignition+Discord was also pretty funny in vault.

>>539021070
Ah yes, I have toxic radiance also. And for overkill I've got ozucubus refrigerator, although I don't need it usually. It's good for stuff like demonic crawlers who are immune to toxic radiance, just spam it until they're dead. Currently desperately trying to level my skills to get crystal spear and spellforged servitor online. Even with Vehumet it's taking forever to get them cashable.

I had ran a disco wizard awhile back who had toxic radiance, ignite posion, and noxious bog. Noxious bog is water, and since he was a merfolk it gave him a huge boost to EV, and then on top of that I had an amulet of acrobatics that I wore the entire game. One of the most overpowered characters I've ever run, basically every encounter was trivial, sit in middle of box, keep moving back and forth for the acrobatics + merfolk tail EV boost, toxic radiance for the enemies who wouldn't enter the bog and stood on the edges, and ignite posion just as a final "Fuck you" to anything still standing.

He died in a Vaults: 4 desolation of salt portal after getting overwhelmed by enemies.

>>539025332
Mine splatted in spider after easily killing everything in there except that one elite that instakills you, walked around a corner and died instantly.

my nagas

>>539006286
nope
CDDA is a bad game

>>539013092
>while the berlin interpretation could allow Super Mario Bros to be a roguelike if it had permadeath and procgen levels
No it couldn't...
>simultaneous-appearing
Oh I get it you're retarded

>>539025552
Oof. Worst deaths are those ones where you literally couldn't have done anything to prevent it. Like getting "malevolent force"'d down 3 floors next to a group of elites then getting paralyzed or some shit the next turn.

What race were you? And what elite was it? There's a couple in spider that hit hard as all fuck

>>539034362
then why the fuck are you replying to me you retard

>>539035308
don't bully the mentally challenged, anon

rl for this feel?

play more IVAN

>>539034362
It's one of those games were it had potential but the dev team bottled it.

>>539035308
hehe
hoohoo
haha

>>539013092
>this would be a 2d grid-based simultaneous-appearing turn-based game
Nippledly bum-flustered wrinkle-equalizer

So if I visualized dcss as a 3d complex, it would stop being a rougelike?
Hyperrouge isn't a rougelike?
A hypothetical rouge in a cube of space wouldn't be a rougelike?

No game where they bother to show the animations is a rouge like?

Dominoes is a rougelike?

Pack pick apart your rage and come back when you've figured it out

>it's not fire emblem because games-states
Ah, that's better. Anyway, you can easily just remove the combat-screen, which is aesthetic, and calculate all enemy moves instantly according to the display, and now it's back to being "simul-appearing" and it was always turn based.

the dreams are getting weird
the girl I date in the dreams asked me if I'd like woke anime made by the simpsoms peple or non woke anime made by grok
honestly I'm stumped
roguelikes for dilemmas ?

>>539054367
what does woke mean

>>539054783
yeah thats about as stupid of an answer as i expected

In elin, what do I do about my ether? I cant go anymore south it seems and I have no idea what to do. I found the ether tree, but I didnt have my axe on me at the time so I couldnt cut it. What do I do? I don't want to grind anymore if I'm going to keep getting mutations. Any help please

>>539055429
The primary relevant instinct of people who use woke as a pejorative is distrust. This distrust is expressed in the assumption of hypocrisy and pretension. Those basically always involve looking at a claim or action which the "woke" preform in the name of good and then saying that ACTUALLY the moment that it counts the woke would behave exactly like the people who are "unwoke."

>Woke don't forcibly remove the homeless and enforce cleanliness because [dismissive] but the moment authority comes to town they would stomp on the powerless in favor of that authority
>actually, the left doesn't really value democracy either

More personally
>the woke scolds you for being racist at thanksgiving dinner but obviously it's just good to have a higher IQ populous and they also know that.

Meaning the distrust starts from the rejection of any improvement to their own temperament on the grounds that it is emotionally hard to improve. The accusation that they should improve is then called "condescending". That's the number one thing which such people say to describe the woke, in my experience, that word.

>>539055610
Come back to the ether tree with an axe? Duh

...I think ether is just a griefclock. Get yourself potions of antibodies when you can- they restock in the dwarf workshop if you can find medals (only replenishable from farming silver bells I think, use poison to delete them through their high turncount), for a moderate price in casinos (max out the throwing game and you can earn one every three throws), the strange little girl sells for a nice influence price and uh... Ecopo shop, at a higher price.

Abuse all of these and you should be able to power through all your mutations, 2 or 3 at a time. The ether potions delete the most recent 2 (3 if blessed) I think, so if you stay with no mutations when you get one of the good ones (if you want wings, for example) you can let the next two mutations build up and save your good ones

This is what you get for playing a 20 year old "eternal development(erectile dysfunction)" game.

>>539056874
"it's just vibes" would have been a less retarded answer
the answer they gave just tells me that their thoughts, and/or how they express them, are exceptionally hollow

>XXX EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE 30+ YO NERDY GIRLS IN YOUR AREA XXX
>CLICK HERE

Roguelikes for high IQ people?

>>539056874
Pretty good approximation. Better call it the /rlg/ interpretation. You forgot to include simulturns tho

>>539057826
nethack without spoilers

>>539057824
I'M CLICKING I'M CLICKING WHERE ARE THEY HELP ANON I'M CLICKING MY FINGER HURTS I'M SO TIRED HELP MEEEEE

Imagine playing roguelikes and craving human intimacy
Just sell drugs to highschoolers like the rest of us you fuckin freak

>>539057826
the one you enjoy

>>539057734
If it weren't "hollow" then it would have "depth" meaning "awareness" meaning "having knowledge about that which might otherwise be ignored" meaning "woke"

The answers will be like that every time, basically.

>>539058417
nobody wants to argue with you you sad little nigga

>>539025332
>>539017004
Cleared spider and shoals like nothing. Ended up getting fulsome fulminade which literally made it ez mode since i got the version of Shoals: 4 where the enemies all tightly packed in small vaults with single doorways. Just opened door, cast fulsome, and then watched the carnage unfold.

Mostly through Vaults now, fought all the extremely powerful uniques and almost died several times because of the uniques.

What is really annoying has been trying to get a good spell for my spell forged servitor. First I used frozen clouds but he would often not cast it on enemies, especially fast ones, because it won't hit itself or me.

Then tried permafrost eruption, that was even worse, he would maybe cast 1 time before the enemy got too close then he just sat there doing nothing.

Now I have him using orb of destruction. This is EXTREMELY effective but also EXTREMELY risky. Its fucking scary!! He shoots the orbs like a fucking machine gun, and he doesn't care about me at all. He aims it at an enemy even if I'm behind them, in a narrow 2x hallway he shot 2 of them at once towards me and I also couldn't blink or move due translocation miscast effect. I had to just tank the hit. I have a amulet of reflect but that isn't guaranteed to save me. It is really fun watching him turn the entire screen into exploding red mist but I'm almost certain it's only a matter of time before he explodes me.

I am so close to crystal spear being castable now. To be fair that can also miss an enemy and hit me, but I think it's less likely for him to friendly fire with crystal spear compared to orb of destruction.

>>539058552
replying to me to agree with me doesn't have much to do with arguing, kind of the opposite actually

>>539059095
yeah, are you not following the conversation?

>>539059095
I was in fact agreeing, if you have to collapse it down to that binary.

Your valid complaint you're failing to say because you want to drop emotional attacks is "wow that sure isn't the topic of the thread
and that's correct.
and if nobody responds to this post chain again, the conversation will end, because all that I have to say I have said.

I like spellcasters in DCSS but I'm oldge and it gives me carpal tunnel to press z>a>enter>enter>enter>y>yes>YES>Yes>a>enter every time I want to cast a piddly little magic bolt on a bat.
wut do?

>>539058073
I'm not slavic/white trash enough for that

>>539059798
Good, I can't afford the competition. I'm barely making rent, these teenagers are fuckin assholes man. I've been through three bottles of pepto bismol this week. Don't they know they can buy their own Flinstone's gummies?

>>539059572
macros are really quick to make
and you can put a c_answer_prompt function in your .crawlrc for when you want it to stop whining about hitting vortices and servitors.

>>539058620
I'm now clearing Depths after finishing Vaults: 4.

This build is so fun and OP I honestly don't even want it to end. There's extended of course, but thats scary and involves getting mutated and stuff pretty sure I'll end up dying fast if I try doing it. Pretty sure I'm done with the part of the game where I get to bully everything else. From here forward enemies will actually be threatening and I'll have to be cautious.

I have crystal spear online now but I switched my servitor back to orb of destruction anyways. It's just so much more fun and entertaining for me not to.

>>539062279
Hmmm
Maybe
So I just make a macro for 1 to do like... zaenter? Or I guess... the numbpad del will confirm target? I guess yeah. Is there anyway to like, target- Oh, I could do a key for like enterzenter and that way I can pick the spell I'm using and then it'll cast it, bring the spell list and pick the last spell, right?
Wow, the game practically plays itself!!

>>538939601
What massive gameplay overhaul?

>>539035025
DEFE, I looked back and it was even more bullshit than I thought. It was rupert and astarion at the same time. Turn one paralyzed, then instantly shredded.

>>539059572
Just use shift-tab, it autofires your quivered item/spell. Press tab if you're out of range to step forwards.

>>539041763
real life

>>539070508
I saw it mentioned that spells could be quivered now. That's crazy tho. Thankee anon

yeah I'm thinking ragu ragu ra-gu-uu

Jesus fuck. Couple decarbonizers on the way. Handful of Sightless Way guys (Mad about my Leyline Puppeteers I guess?), one of which had a Saad Amus Clone thrall??
That was the same zone I entered by beating to death a Dromad Merchant Caravan Leader to death across the stairs, so I had to fight Saad Amus's Clone and a dozen fucking saltbacks- I eventually picked up the Ceremonial Vibrokhopesh and used the forcefield bracelet to mod it- The fucker keeps shutting off because of Single-Weapon Fighting (and high Quickness, to boot), but apparently the power generation for it is bugged even just walking around

...This has been a known bug for 8 months, on maybe the best melee weapon in the game- Certainly the premier answer for ridiculously high AV enemies, which the lategame is full of. Hate the Qud devs for whatever you want, so long as you hate them for this.

Well. Other than that. The Spiral Borer only dug me out 20 levels, but 21 should be good enough. Poked around inside the Parasang, the North Zone isn't full of slime puddles and shit, so I guess this is the new home for the merchants.

I think I gotta turn off auto-collect water, my trade good weight is getting crazy. Wish there was a way to make Storage Tanks- I've only found one, but I'm going to fit it with suspensors and
Motherfucker! I can fit it with suspensors, stick a fucking... High-Capacity Radio Powered Antimatter Cell in it and use THAT to dupe my cloning draught! Ahhh.

God, what a great idea, /rlg/! Thanks, you guys always have good tips.

>>539070202
Sometimes the game decides it REALLY wants to kill you and starts pulling shit like that. Feels like borderline cheating. Like a DM who openly despises you and doesn't even try to be subtle. It's especially rough in early game up until the end of both S branches. In newer versions BS/unavoidable deaths occur significantly more frequently.

I haven't looked at the code but I suspect there is some sort of calculation that will trigger in some circumstances and cause the game to throw more high threat situations at you.

For example, twice in the last few games I had "Malevolant Force" trigger 2 and even 3 times in the span of 5 or 6 turns. This leads me to believe it isn't truly random.

There was a pretty sizeable leap in the amount of early game deaths across all games played. This trend started with the introduction of Attacks of Opportunity and has continued ever since. I've seen some of the most talented speedrunners and winning streamers who said they lose far more often in Dungeon and Lair branches than ever before.

>>539075751
>God, what a great idea, /rlg/! Thanks, you guys always have good tips.
No problem :^)

>>539075751
...That wasn't 200 rounds

>>539076058
as far as i've seen in the code it's just a die roll based on depth, and type is based a little bit on branch.

i love 70% odds

>>539091929
Lucklet

>>539091929
You signed up for that when you picked Enchanter.

How to play Enchanter: turn off everything but fighting until you find a real weapon.

>>539100571
the life of every background except fighter

>>539100571
realtalk: what's the point of shortblade skill? You don't do anymore damage at 27 vs 0, and you've got 1.0 delay to start with.
Am I missing something?

>>539101524
electrocution brands goes zzzzzappp

>>539101524
stab damage is heavily reliant on weapon skill

>>539101524
Some brands add flat damage. Also some races and mutations get auxiliary attacks that have a % chance to activate on every attack. Short blades are the fastest weapons and have low skill requirements so they are good to activate effects like that.

Plus if you only have to put 10 or 14 levels into your weapon skill, you can still afford to max out other skills. You didn't spend a ton of experience to get a moderately effective weapon.

>>539101889
i found this out when ru apocalypse left jorgun low and paralyzed, i just assumed there was a reasonable base stabbing bonus and walked over to poke him with my 0 skill statstick dagger.
his hp bar didn't even move, i just sat there bumping him in confusion until paralyze ran out and i got flattened.

>>539103668
I think you still get a bonus even with zero skill, but you probably weren't getting past his AC at all, and you were swinging at the slowest possible speed.

>>539106079
i crunched the numbers on it afterwards when i was trying to figure out wtf happened, high tier stab bonus was giving me a whopping 2 extra damage

>>539108497
Ownfault. You had plenty of turns to stop and think instead of tabbing like a monkey.

what do i do at the tree of ether in elin? i cant cut it with an axe and i want to get rid of my mutations

I sometimes get the urge to play Frog, but the mid to endgame is SUCH a slog. Almost glad I got wrecked.

Most fights later on are: did I get hit by something dangerous? -> use ?phase and_healing. Did the enemy summon? _tele or -teleother. And you're often at risk of getting two-shotted so you can't really relax either. Whew!

Samurai was pretty rad though, got all four books and enjoyed the samurai skills. was thinking of trying "vanilla" angband for a change but I'm fed up with *band gameplay after this nine hour sojourn into Frog

>>539114990
Only now noticed I for some reason used a rod of recall there after the failed tele? must've been brainfart, recall rod was on 'zb' instead of 'ub' for tele staff. GG nonetheless

>>539114990
yes, that's *band gameplay (outside of sil)
It takes a specific kind of neurodivergence to enjoy
just like *hack gameplay

they are fun in theory, not in practice

>>539113143
Anon that's not finished yet
It's only been in development twenty years.
Please understand that the game is very difficult to code and the main quest will take some more time to be written.

Go get the potions like we told you to. What makes you think chopping that poor tree down will make you not a mutated freak?

if you ask me frog without some kind of exploit is just type 3 fun

>>539116725
Why is type 3 fun even classified as fun in the first place

I don't think reusing the stereo messages for instruments worked out quite the way they intended.

>>539121787
same reason the glorified answering machine was telling you to use glue in pziza

>>539115782
the potions dont grow on fucking trees
what im supposed to farm old tickets (i guess via flooring and wall workshop which i havent touched) and just hope?

>>539121787
because some people are disgusting casuls

>>539123562
aren't*

>>539122204
They grow on dozens of things. You don't rescue little sisters? You can't go to casino and win? You can't fish silver bells? You're not using scythe to harvest plants? You can't even AFK performances??
You're literally not playing the same game as everyone else.
These are literally iconic activities of the game.
Put your cloak on, stop soaking so much ether and go pester the Discord then if you don't like the tips you already got earlier in the thread.

>>539118695
wut gaem

>>539126454
dicks

>>539126751
dead game

>>539115782
actually i found the place i thought that didnt exist, noyel and then found the shop where they sell them, but i have mutation right now that gives me 35 pv for losing charisma and my neck slot (worth) so im just chilling.
what i dont know is how you complete the crop missions on the quest boards. are they fucking impossible ive tried like 5 different routes. do i need to get EXACT weight cuz thats kinda retarded
im running out of influence on my quest boards (i didnt know about rerolling before so i had a bunch saved up) and ive got like 20 left in each town now kinda scary. anyway to do these crop quests and the fucking wave ones are very hard when they first show up (lvl fucking 30????)

>>539126268
how does the scythe work? i guess its not the sickle cuz ive tried that and it just eats plants normally and i assume i have to find the recipe but theres scythes in the game...

>>539127759
The goddess scythe from rank 2 of harvest goddess that grows plants on kill is very high value to harvest the plants for shop. Much better than turn in trash or make bard

what are some boytoy roguelikes

>>539034669
It fits two of the high value factors retard. Both of those factors are equivalent to "turn-based" and "grid-based".

>>539138726
/rlg/'s avant garde humor is too much for me sometimes

so i made this guy join my town for 7 gold bars. i didnt know what he was, ive never seen his model. he cant really do anything but join me... i think it said he was lvl 7 which isnt much. idk

/rlg/ and /rlg/-chan

Apparently starting "in the middle of nowhere" placed me on the grounds of the church faction and gave an achievement on turn zero. Kinda weird.

Doing Slime for the first time. My understanding is there's basically no reason to explore the first 4 levels, right? I've been just diving straight down immediately upon finding a stair, only killing enemies in the immediate vicinity of the stairways and giving myself a path down and back up. AFAIK there's no items anywhere in Slime outside of the final vault. I guess the experience I'd get from clearing the entire branch is desirable since I'm close to having a level 9 spell at a good success rate, but the odds of malmutation seem to make it not worth the risk. I actually have equipped one of the few sources of rMut left in modern DCSS, the hat of the alchemist, but that only decreases the odds of getting malmutated, it does not completely prevent it. I already got 1 negative mutation just from being in sight of a shining eye for a single turn so it definitely isn't foolproof.

Thankfully I got the version of wizlab with the flesh walls and abominations where the end vault had 25 mutation potions, so I'm able to make a lot of mutation roulette rolls. Unfortunately I already used a lot of them earlier, so I only have 10 left.

Not sure of branch order at this point either.

I've cleared all of Dungeon, Depths, Lair, S branches, Orc, Elf, Vaults, and Depths. Not sure if it's better to do Zot 1 - 4 first before Slime. Also not sure when I should do Abyss. I'm planning to do extended, I've never survived long in extended. Furthest I've ever progressed was clearing the vestibule of hell, proceeded to get absolutely raped by hell effects

>>539138726
>Satisfy 2 of 9 characteristics, up to 4 (less than half) if you change it so much it needs a full ground up code rewrite
>Satisfy none but one of the lesser characteristics, while you're at it

Gee, you're a fart smella, anon. Did you know that if you take Duck Hunt and change some of it so that it's literally just Rogue and runs on a Commodore 64, it's a Roguelike?
40 fucking years you've had to be a retard about this. Maybe step forward into the future instead of being a stinky pissbaby diapercel?

>>539153668
Welp, that was quick. Killed The Royal Jelly already. He appeared pretty much instantly. I threw freezing clouds down around him, scroll of blinking'd away, spammed orbs of destruction, cast polar vortex, and fulsome fulminade at the same time and that ended the fight in a few turns. There was a rockslime that nearly killed me but pretty ez overall.

>>539116725
Frog == FCB?

>>539147995
Does /rlg/-chan only like us for our massive tits?

>>539154375
And still no luck with the loot I wanted. I've scoured far and wide literally for 1 spell. I want platinum paragon so bad to compliment my spellforged servitor but I'm just cursed to not find it this game it seems. No place has it, swear I've got nearly every other spell in the game at this point except this and

>>539153668
>but the odds of malmutation seem to make it not worth the risk
You're correct. The less time you take in that hellhole getting mutated, the better.

>>539154510
Time to dive a zigg for books.

>>539155627
Yes. Should I do abyss first or ziggy?

>>539155978
Abyss usually has nothing useful in it but the rune, but you might get a surprise book. Once you go into the zigg, you either finish it or bail out once you get what you want and there's no turning back on it.

roguelikes for ti winners?

how do you steal in ejlin

>>539168339
oh right, I forget that that's a thing. I have 3000 hours on record.

>>539154365
The existence of high, medium and low value factors eliminates any game from being "literally just Rogue" you fucking idiot.
Even if you fulfill every factor within the interpretation you will only be approaching "Rogue" in that you will only be "So much like Rogue" or "So much unlike Rogue" because by the very nature of having factors with arbitrary value they will never add up to 100% Rogue even if you are literally Rogue and satisfy all of their conditions.
>Satisfy 2 of 9 characteristics
Which are "high value" and thus more important than "medium value" and "low value" factors by an arbitrary amount that you cannot define. There's nothing to imply that you cannot have a roguelike with only 2 characteristics if said characteristics are high-value and thus arbitrarily higher by an indeterminate number between -∞ and +∞ in regards to approaching Rogue than a medium-value factor or low-value factor.

>>539153668
You actually want to clear Slime 4 because usually you end up doing lots of stairdancing on S:5

>>539155229
If weren't a filthy heretic, God would give you malmutate immunity.

>>539172804
I think you have to train your pet to do it, anon, but that might be 10 years out of date.
Wiki is your friend.
Or check the Steam guides for it. Elin is the "new" Elona+ that somehow has less content, right?
Like how "Jupiter Hell Classic" is a shittier Jupiter Hell that just exists to walk back design decisions we left in DoomRL, but has less content than either?

>>539181764
Maybe if you wanted to help newcomers better understand the genre or more accurately identify which games were roguelikes or not so fans could find them better, this would be a productive discussion.

It's clear you're just focused on asserting some pathetic kind of pedantic redefinition which uses your particular maladaptive phrasing purely for self-aggrandizement, wasting everyone's time so you can feel superior going about beating people over the head with technical discrepancies you claim to be the sole arbiter of.

Once you set the clear category "a roguelike game" and "a game with roguelike-like elements" I doubt anyone has trouble on anything but the most avant garde and experimental edge cases- Which is fucking FINE?? It's ok if a game is truly straddling the boundary line, especially as a deliberate exploration of design space, isn't it??

That's all it boils down to.
Games that are trying to be like Rogue and games that are borrowing the elements of the aforementioned. They'll be "like Rogue" but they're not "trying to be like Rogue"

>>539186040
>Maybe if you wanted to help newcomers better understand the genre
I want newcomers to fuck off and leave this genre the fuck alone to rot

>>539186153
Roguelikes that feature TND (Total Newbie Deaths)

fair bit of autism itt

>>539186040
NTA. The video's definition is shit. But the Berlin definition is also shit, and at least the video's definition is an actual definition instead of a big, confused, weighted checklist that was clearly designed by a committee of autistic doofuses.

Is Peak a roguelike?

>>539186570
on that note
I cannot look at submissive women in the eye anymore ever since I've learned that one chick I know that's into bdsm is getting dommed by a permastoned limp dicked caged tranny with a BBC sissy hypno fetish that fucks everyone who looks at her way and has the brain of a fried shrimp
women are lower than dogs
(In cataclysm)

Is Shin Ramyun Noodle Soup a roguelike?
>is hard to get through (like a roguelike)
>noodle texture is randomized (proc gen)
>I have to take turn eating and drinking water (turn based)

this is the kind of roguelike discussion I crave

>>539186914
Build up your capsaicin tolerance. Think of it like building up your tolerance to listening to nerds talk about their builds*, which is an important thing to have when you're in /rlg/

>>539186857
mogged

>>539186914
So this is how far we've fallen here in /rlg/ huh

>>539187542
Name 5 roguelikes better than Shin Ramyun Noodle Soup

>>539186914
>I have to take turn eating and drinking water
it's like the perfect level of spicy

>>539187542
I've seen so much worse

>>539185207
It has less special levels and challenges. But more basic and exotic items, enemies, traits, branches, level variety, mechanics, assemblies etc. Compared to DRL at least. Dunno about JH.

>>539186914
has timing based elements (waiting to cook)
disqualified

what are some homestucklikes

https://youtu.be/kK0KPuH32mc

>>539186914
>Tastes awful but can't stop eating it
Yeah sounds like a roguelike

>>538713909
woah.... greenland

hirsute women

>>539191516
hmmm, nyo

>>539191516
i agree

>>539193157
Yes. Women with hairy pits. Women with huge bushes.
You will not and cannot contain my lust.

>>539193510
that's not hirsute

>>539193609
"that's not a roguelike"
"that's not hairy"
you fuckers will argue about anything

>>539193703
I'm just saying a hirsute woman would have hair all over
that's just a woman with hairy pits and pubes i.e. pornrot

>>539193703
hirsute and hairy are two different words it’s really not that complicated

>>539193912
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hirsute

>>539114990
how do you improve on these games so the gameplay is interesting then

>>539195728
reintroduce old exploits that were fixed by the dev for being too fun

>>539195857
what are those? is using those the ultimate "fun" in a roguelike? you "solve" by exploiting?

I'm slowly losing my ability to read
Roguelikes that could save me?

>>538742614
>>539185207
Damn, nta but i literally just unistalled jh to install jhc because jh looked like shit, the animations are bad and it's difficult to see enemies, did someone make a tile mod for standard jupiter hell?

>>539186643
They're only shit if you're trying to find a definition that's categorically right and not trying to help newcomers/outsiders understand a niche genre that shares a name with one of the most popular marketing tags.

Like that anon who came by earlier and said he thinks CDDA sucks (it does) because he somehow mixed the two up and was bewildered why his favorite genre was apparently based on ASCII graphics and inventory management

As I said earlier in the thread, though... "Berlin interpretation" is only good to use as a quick shorthand between roguelike and roguelite. So you can tell if someone likes fiddly little tile based autism simulators or instead have ever felt the touch of a woman. It doesn't need to be perfectly accurate, just a quick shotgun of loose descriptors.

It's only inconvenient or inaccurate when someone insists on doing their "BEHOLD, A PLUCKED CHICKEN" routine. Yeah dude. We said featherless biped with a cock and a soul and a firm command of the English language. Don't baptize the fucking chicken and tell us you just need a few more weeks to teach it to sing the national anthem, we're trying to fuck fat bitches and leave right now.

The Berlin interpretation exists to describe the general shape of a thing, not as a litmus test.


>>539186857
inb4 >roguelikes with this feel?

I'm working on procgen on my roguelike and came across the Torchlight 2 wiki. What are some roguelikes that will help me understand what TheOneTrueKey means?
https://docs.runicgames.com/wiki/Chunk_Types.html

>>539195934
Depends if it's a hack or a band
Nethack is nothing but spoilers.
Band is nothing but fastidious cheese.

But that anon was using the word "exploit" ironically. Devs will pull anything they personally brook umbrage with, without reasoning to the mechanics at hand.

You'd think positioning yourself to only face one enemy at a time in a corridor is "strong tactical reasoning" but nope- Attacks of opportunity go in DCSS now, see a second strong enemy appear mid-combat? Fuck you, that's balanced as a loss.

Anything that lets you evade your percentage forced loss is unbalanced and an exploit, anon, don't you know? Roguelikes are built for skinnerbox design, keeping people playing longer at a calculated winrate is the most important thing

>>539200574
Ah, I think I have figured this one out.
0 means the side has no obstacle (wall)
1 means the obstacle is west or north
2 means the obstacle is south or east
I'll have to review this

>>539200882
i rly like grimrock, i dont like how most games have opportunity attacks whenever you move, and at some point you have to stop running and face the music and get gear checked.

but if you allowed players to move away and dodge "dont stand in the red circle" mmo attacks they can just keep evading an enemy indefinately.
if you have the gear, and youre getting gear checked, you win. if you dont have the gear, unlucky?

>>539200574
>Any boardgame that has you rearrange the tiles significantly for different scenarios
It looks like the you only ever match a side with a 1 to a side with another 1 (do not rotate the tiles)

Take the centerpiece, all 0s, no walls. You wouldn't want to connect half of a wall right up against the border- And you can see all the other sides that are 0 on the other tiles fit without doing that.
I'm fairly sure this is how they're arranged they're doing because of:
>(INTEGER) - The type of tab. These must match when joining two chunks.

Take these 4 picrel and examine how the other tiles would connect to them, or how they can/can't connect to each other.
There are other, more robust implementations of this, I'm sure. This is just something that works for these devs, it just makes sure they're keeping the next tiles wall on the right side. Connecting a 1 to a 2 would put the wall on the north or west instead of south or east.

>>539200882
I actually meant exploit exploits, yeek conga, rune knight$ and 555 made pozband fun

>>539201827
I figured it out >>539201028

One issue with this I see is that this can end up creating a disconnected area (take the last 4 pieces in the picture, they create a cavity that cannot be connected to anything else). This means the underlying algorithm has retries, which makes its performance very predictable.

The way they handle this can be generalized to something solvable with the Wave Function Collapse procgen, don't ask me about the name, but that algorithm is its own can of worm.

I like Torchlight 2 and the areas it generates, but this definitely isn't something I can use.

>>539201103
Since it's turn based you're not abusing the enemy's attack animation by darting in and out like Grimrock will let you do- You're just (or you would be) making the enemy follow you to a more advantageous location.
When you step out of their attack range, they have to step to follow you, and that's their action. You do eventually have to stand and deliver or fully exfiltrate (consumable, stairs, etc).

Adding in a telegraphed "MMO" style attack is a specific and somewhat rare design choice; If you're making the player dodge red circles you've decided to let them avoid damage already.

The only combat use case is if you use a higher natural speed (typically hard to get) to get a "double turn" and let the enemy step in to you, hit them and continue kiting (takes a lot of space, abuse is largely solve by semi-randomized energy gain, makes sense if you've invested a in speed) OR if you run in circles around a pillar to let your natural regen refill you- it's great if you're up against a monster that can ALMOST oneshot you. Just fight it on a pillar and play ring around the rosie any time it gets through your dodge. Kind of cheesy, a little pathetic, sure... But a viable tactic, right? Humans are exhaustion predators baby! Let's go, fuck yeah! Rope-a-dope an out-of-depth run-ender, makes sense.

But noooooooo, that's not "realistic" and so now every monster can catch your tailfeathers and gets to attack while chasing you (You can't do the same to enemy types that flee and kite, btw), because run-enders HAVE TO BE RUN-ENDERS

>>539201998
lmao fucking yeek conga, ye boiiii
I wanted to clarify that in *hack you then take all your spoilers and use them to cheese a few big pain points and that in *band your cheese is often largely based on one big exploit (either supporting your run at the start or getting your run to the point where you can execute it and ascend to your ultimate form, 6,000-wielded-wands-man, but I also didn't want to vomit words on the screen

Angbang

>>539198524
Path Of Achra, just pick one of the blurry coloured shapes to put your skill points in and press one of the action buttons until you die or win.

>>539202159
Ah, I see. Like if you just shuffled the tiles and made sure the chunks fit, as a baseline?
Hmm. I dunno what all you're going for, but if that's too complex to implement you could just... Do a quick search for cavities and either regenerate or do a second pass to connect them (maybe add a secret door, idk, secret doors are gay) or something?

I think most procgens that we have nowadays are massively iterated on- I've seen dozens of changelogs where small tweaks are done to make procgen behave a little bit better once undesirable behavior (like say if you make a horseshoe map by accident too often, by adding a single-tunnel-connection to cavities).

I bet if you get something working you'll have a better idea playing around with generated levels what your implementation needs.

>>539201103
eh, in dicks if you're past the first few floors it's usually an awareness check.
not that you can't be fucked on drops, esp resists, but the game hands out a million consumables so it's usually a matter of "did you notice it was a real fight before you tabbed down to 20% hp like a gorilla?"

>>539203464
My goal is to create a procgen that treads the ground between the traditional algorithms and the ARPG ones (which are more like chunk combiners) nicely. I'm on my way there but I just remembered about Torchlight 2 having modding tools so I took some time out to check it out.

The issue with procgen I see is that there are often a lot of trade off. Fix up solutions (creating paths in shut-in areas) tend to ruin pretty premade areas. Probabilistic combiners have the issue of being very complex to develop on beyond very basic generation, since additional constraints can result in higher failure/retry rate and unless you never update the game, any change in the generation can have escalating changes with highly undesirable effects. Traditional algorithms are often too simple to create relationships on (such as a basic lock and key dungeon). Using a graph as a base now turns the problem toward planar embedding, which either generates very ugly dungeons or takes forever.

Anyway, I have a sort of personal solution. It's going to be limited to the scope of my game, and it won't try to achieve everything, but just enough in-between to make it work.

>>539203787
>tabbers btfo, no longer able to run away when the low HP alert interrupts their goon sesh
>enchanters most affected

>>539204045
Right on

>>539202693
The pillar thing is even more retarded because most run enders have ranged attacks, breath weapons, wands, or come in large groups.
Last time I got killed by sigmund because he just blasts you with wands now, he doesn't even swing his scythe anymore.

>>539204045
My solution of choice is non euclidean generation, where you just skip the embedding part entirely and have the dungeon just be a graph of tiles.

>>539204708
people who pick enchanter enjoy the abuse, i assume

>>539205734
>he doesn't even swing his scythe anymore
i noticed this, its so rng, he just casts some random dogshit spells sometimes and dies?

>>539205734
you should realize you've killed the game when iconic uniques don't work the way they should anymore because the AI won't ever choose to act that suboptimally

>>539205949
Shapeshifters must be furries with a BDSM fetish then. Imagine picking a melee class with no armor when you could start with a book instead.

>>539209731
>start with book and some spell skills
>have no spells at level 1
>if a quokka can see you it's a coin flip to fucking die
surely ench's suffering is without peer

Well that was easy, taking 3 to 4 turns while enemy takes one is indeed strong.

>>539214506
gg

Hyperrogue is the best roguelike

Every single time I find a bug with Qud, like merchants intermittently refusing to restock or the Vibrokhopesh being unreliable I find some dead 8-10 month old post on Reddit claiming it's been known about for years and will totally be fixed in 1.0
Why is bugfixing this paid product so glacially slow?

>>539199797
JHC is clearly superior. I no idea why they made JH in the first place

/rlg/-chan sipping /rlg/

ugly bug
this is what roguelikers look like

>>539209731
Eh I'd say the armor isn't an issue for shapeshitters. They've got lots of other problems, but there are several forms that either give shitloads of AC or else let you wear armor anyway.
The real fuckery is that shapeshitters get like zero gear and dcss is a gear simulator.
The average lategame character is walking around with artefact weapon/armor/shield/hat/boots/gloves/cloak and a shapeshifter is larping as an octopode with only two fingers.
It's defacto the class for weird freak species to unfreak themselves and a shitter trap for everyone else.
>you can spend a dozen skill points to transform into an elemental form
>you get resists and +spell power, wow
>or you can just pick up a staff for free and get the same thing
>also you get to wear armor and a shield
>oh and the form gives you weakness to the opposing element
>and you don't get a starting book
>and you won't have as much magic skill or MP
A staff of poison is better than serpent form.

Well, I can hardly argue.
I guess that nerd at the Tomb has to suck my dick now, huh

>>539195531
interesting how you just ignored the rest of the page

>>539229161
>wordwordswords
not reading that

haha oh boy I just did a major oopsie

>>539232480
just reload your save file

>>539236862
>>>/indie/

>>539214506
gz!

cdda has highways..wtf. you can just drive on endlessly now. sometimes they go right through a city so you dont have to do the shit anymore where you start your night raids from the edge of town and then have to go back to your vehicle from god knows where.

>>539249861
Those aren't new, did they get changes recently? (Not that I'm gonna play DDA again when BN exist and doesn't hate fun.)

>>539249861
Biggest problem ive noticed with them is the rails are near indestructible, so a crash into them will wreck your vehicle. Also auto-driving doesn't know how to handle intersections.

WHY THE FUCK I CANT DELIVER SOLAR PANELS TO BALTHAZAR, I AM ABOUT TO FLIP OUT. HE JUST LOOPS THE DIALOGUE GOD DAMN IT.

>>539259661
Hub02? They just barely started working on it, its very much a work-in-progress. When I played like 1-2 weeks ago, you could just take all his solar panels since they weren't assigned to his faction or w/e.

>>539269926
https://files.catbox.moe/05gbcp.mp3

Anyone ever heard of Tangaria? It's an open-sores 'multiplayer roguelike' game.
I don't think I've seen it discussed in here before.

>>539270506
>Tangaria has successfully mitigated many of the common exploits found in roguelikes, which makes our game uniquely challenging
Where's the fun in that?

>>539236862
If I move into an unmarked tile and still get hit by the telegraphed attack, my finger starts reaching for that button

>>539270506
>open sores
I'm not playing a slut game

>>539272773
>e-Sports ready Angband

>I just waited 2000 turns, where the fuck is this "imminent" attack?
>Fuck, maybe Otho dying earlier bugged him out- What a fucking retard decision, to have him respawn and then lock him permanently in his study. Maybe I gotta go get him? Let's try and love inject his ass and get him to follow us upstairs

Oh
Found the raid
Yay
(lmao I'm positive favor with the Putus, gonna just proselytize this guy kek)

I have lost control of my life. My lack of discipline is slowly but steadily causing my world to crumble around me. My surroundings are in a state of disrepair and clutter, my health, sanity, and morality are deteriorating, my hygiene is poor, everything is on a downward spiral and the trajectory I'm on is unsustainable. But for now I am just barely functioning on the most important things to make it from one day to the next such as working and eating and paying the most important expenses to not get evicted. I play roguelikes obsessively I just ignore the problems in my life as the trash literally piles up around me blocking the doorways and smelling horrible the floors are covered in filth, food and dried puddles of cat urine and the legs and ripped up segments of dead spiders and cockroaches, old takeout Chinese bags, and piles of clothes. But I just focus on getting the orb of Zot and everything is okay. Oops I splatted in Vaults: 4, oh no I died in Zot: 1, whoops another stupid death in Swamp: 2. Inventory. Scoreboard. The screen turns dark and briefly I see my reflection looking back at me in the immense silence. My hair is an overgrown mess. I haven't brushed my teeth in days, i havent shaved in weeks. I feel a sudden nagging awareness of the huge mess surrounding the computer desk. Only the low hum of the computer fans and the monotonous squeaking of a ceiling fan penetrate the suffocating silence which engulfs me. "No one at work talks to me anymore", the thought interrupts the comfortable trance and threatens to drag me back to awareness. The main menu appears once more. Perhaps I'll do an octopode ice elementalist this time...

>find a car
>battery and fuel intact
>no security system, controls and wheels not destroyed
>drive off
>immediately die the second I bump into a bush
One of these times I'll remember to check if the driver's seat frame isn't XX, I'm sure of it.

>>539285482
Maybe as a treat you could play a non-dogshit combination.
Like if you clean up your room you can allow yourself one round where you pick the second worst combo you can think of, instead of Octo Ice Ele.
Or play Tome. Like... Vacuum your room and you can play Tome. If you trim your beard, you can even have a good combo instead of fucking... I dunno, Orc Solipsist or something

>>539285482
same, minus the "work" part.

>>539285482
You're getting close to enlightenment. Keep going.

>>539289120
orc solip lets u have dream malleus and mindstar doe

>>539284072
HOt loads of cum on thoSE THIGHS
is that what you wanted?

Did another run of JHC, now an Angel of Shotgunnery UV 100% kills one.
The most difficult part of this challenge was actually finishing it with enough bullets to kill the final boss. Shells just stop spawning completely before the last 12 levels and boxes only give you 12 shells every now and then.
This game has a pretty noticeable problem with ammo for some weapons, and I don't think using 3+ levels trying to get Ammo Surplus is a solution to it, seeing how low the amount of ammo dropped by that trait is too.

>>539285482
pic related

>>539295384
Got a bunch of A mods but never the last P mod to get a Shredder Ammo assembly. I don't even know what it does, but it sounds powerful so I wanted to try it.
I hope they make modpacks less rare in subsequent updates since you can only make good use of them if you invest some levels into Whizkid anyway, there's no need to make them so rare.

>>539285482
mentally ill roguegf for this feel

>Kill myself
>Come back to life as a superior life form
>Steal a Swarm Rack and then plink a Chrome Pyramid to death with railguns over 100 rounds
>Refuse to elaborate
Any roguelike for this feel?

>>539298624
*bands when really cheesy I guess.

What the hell have they done to the deathlands anyway.

I'll never forget the devs for taking an intereseting sci-fantasy post apoc dead earth scenario roguelike and turning it into this underwhelming sad excuse of a game

>>539299045
Ahhh, yeah, it's all fuckin
higher-dimensional lel-XD-quasar in here.
Not an awful implementation of the idea, necessarily but it's fucking... So flat?
Just pure surface level. You might get smacked with a big gotcha trying to go through the purple crystals once. The per-zone-mutation is ok, but it's basically "CHROME PYRAMID LOOK OUT" and "Don't make the infinite space-time-vortex lizard angry"
All these fractal trees and parallel timeline bushes and just... None of it matters? Whoopee, I guess.
As far as I can tell, the only reason to come here is for the tree village and... The only real thing is warm static, if you want jerk off some?
Grab a Swarm Rack, maybe dominate something if you want a weird run- Pure low-power spoiler abuse.

Stereotypically pointlessly empty end-game/post-game type designed zone.

>>539300541
I've never managed to get into a *band, yet. Maybe I oughta, by now. Loved seeing anons post runs running around as turtles with multi-wielded shields or abusing The One Ring or doing goof possession chains and polying stacks of items.
Seems hard to figure all out though.

>>539300628
Like, fuck
There's not even a special meal- Like, I'm not asking for something SPECIAL special.
Just the regular, semi-thematic village meal that every other village has.
Something besides "Lol we made the oven purplezz" ya lazy fuckin cunts

>>539300861
hey, at least you've got your platonic solid.

According to the wiki you can go down 40 levels in the roots of the big crystal tree and do a quest to do some dumb dumb shit about snuffing its etheric thingamabob or fighting a guy that used to know ptoh.
I don't know. I don't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOnwshIFL4

>>539300861
...I'm beginning to suspect, from the dialogue, that this zone is more about the devs self-jerking their soft PPs about "alternate consciousness" or whatever they're on about and not about being "good" or "fun"

soft pp likes

>chop off your hand for ru
>you still get the unarmed offhand attack with your stump
an unexpected silver lining

>still no lands of achra
>No path of achra update
It? Over

>>539314671
Dev said he'd get stuck making additions to PoA forever if he let himself do it
I agreed it was for the best
But it's starting to get to me too, anon.
I don't know any roguelikes for this feel :(

...Kind of wondering if the Orb of Creation dev is ever gonna get his shit together, he's torn through enough systems to make three entire games out of by now and keeps fiddling. Feels like I'm missing out on the real experience by not playing each new micro-update.

dead

>>539300261
End game content in Qud is pointless anyway. You can dupe all your items long before you hit level 30 and then use that power to finish the main quest. There is no point creating content for player characters who have infinite money and item dupe glitch. Qud is only good at the start of the game because you don't have that shit yet.

>>539315513
Let me doom and gloom.

>>539323971
Reroll

>>539334657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5iSqXxve4

who cares

Ascii qud so beautiful

>>539334657
why is there glitter in gook pools?

>>539367450
it's a floatie, non-whites don't know how to swim

no racism in rlg

>>539379628
Are the Putus Templar racist?

>>539302008
interdasting...

>>539381628
Yes they hate sentries and teleporters because they only say PUTUS xD

>>539381628
It's not hard to tell whether the CoQ team is coming or going.
True-MEN?
>Not on my watch, chud
No ability to ally with the Putus Templar as a Truekin though- At best, you're a neutral factor in their purge of The Mutant Scum™ and even that won't last long unless you're willing to bend over backwards and blow a couple (""rare"") pages on them and take rep hits swappin spittle with em.

And what do you get for making nice with the worst faction in the game?
Literally nothing, L, lmao. Can't even tell them to fuck off home during the siege or do anything interesting about you climbing the ribbon- Not that there's much main quest left after the siege "pick out your golem parts and fuck off, chudcel"

Even proselytizing a legendary one is pointless- They're not strong, they just all pack consumables to yeet at the start of combat. (this says a lot about society)

NetHack 3.6.0
Nethack 3D 2.3
Nethack 3D 3.0.2
NetHack 4 4.3-beta2
NetHack Biodiversity 1.2a
NetHack brass 40923
NetHack Curses 3.4.3 beta3
NetHack Fourk 4.3.0.4
Nethack II: Quest For Pants 2005
NetHack Lethe 1.2.01
NetHack Plus 3.1.3
NetHack-- 3.0.10 aka NetHack Minus Minus
NetHack-De 1.0.0
NetHack: The Next Generation 1.12main2
NetHack2000+5 1.0.1.0.4

Which one am I supposed to play?

>>539398487
3.6.7 is the up to date main branch if you want a purist (arbitrarily so) experience. 3.7 should be available to compile yourself as a beta/branch style experience
Nethack 4 is widely appreciated for the UI and ease of play, but may lag in content.
Hack'EM is kitchen sink hardcore.
dNethack has the most interesting variety

Post your runs, anon

>>539398487
Slashem Extended for purple alien monster dildos.

>>539398487
Nethack went downhill after 3.4, fite me

>>539401341
Dinosaur
People getting attached to a particular version because the community had a big upsurge or spent a long time on that branch isn't unheard of and I understand where you're coming from (and hell, I love the effort to backport major QoL features in things like modded Minecraft, I might play Blightfall soon, I'll even finish it this time pinkie promise)

But you know it's not true anon.

>>539403892
Disagree. Making turns non-deterministic was, in my estimation, a change that was diametrically opposed to the spirit of Nethack.

If you figured out your current speed and the monster's speed and counted turns to dance out of the way of his attacks, being able to neutralize his threat (so long as it's only 1v1)) was your reward for careful observation and learning the game mechanics. To go in and say "no, that's not fair, let's make it so you get hit anyway" is a "balance" change that makes it more like other games in the genre, and less like itself.

Nethack is (was) all about figuring out how things work and playing cautiously, carefully, and smartly to make Mr. Random Chance have to suck it up. Other games can and should do the "no, that's not fair, we have to nerf it so the player can't escape the RNG" because that's their thing, but it wasn't Nethack's thing, not for the first couple of decades.

>>539367450
there's glitter on the inside of the flotation device

>>539405038
I was just conjecturing, yeah.
Turnspeed variance is lazy design at best, introducing it to a previously non-variant system is utterly retarded, like taking a fat shit on a project and proudly declaring you "fixed it"

>>539405135
Anon has gone blind from masturbating too much aready

>>539407290
Yeah it was the first time I'd seen something the Dev Team did and said to myself "what the fuck were they thinking?"

I did finally ascend in a 3.6.x version (after many tries over the past twenty-five years, including one run I am 100% certain would have made it, that got eaten when my laptop's HD crapped out) but it kinda feels like I didn't beat the REAL Nethack, you know?
It's a weird feel.

>>539408489
Partly why I enjoy games like Tome/Qud more, even though I load up DCSS or IA more often.
When you beat Tome there's zero fucking doubt you built a character to fucking curbstomp the challenge you faced.
If you scrape out a win in Nethack, you're not really sure if /you/ won or if you just got lucky getting over the hump. I think part of it is because Nethack is more checklisty, sorting out blessed gear and dealing with alignments and instant death triggers. When you win it's so formulaic that you can just go "Would I have still won that if I had to deal with X that got removed" or "Am I just crutching on Zin? Is 3 rune a REAL win?"

Is dungeons of dredmor good?

>>539395180
>No ability to ally with the Putus Templar
If by "ally" you mean that you want them to give you quests and let you into their mountain fortress where you can talk to several quirky queer Templars that are written like Homestuck characters, then there's only one faction in the game you can ally.
Personally, if another is added, I'd prefer they start with the Issachari.

>>539409934
...It's alright
The company filed for bankruptcy and everyone lost employment there like 10 years back, even if someone bought the rights to operate the company/IP like a zombie

It's worth $15 but I wouldn't give that $15 to whoever gets paid through Steam, if you catch my drift, matey.

Any of these look good but I figure I've just realized if I'm gonna build a plasma jelly already I may as well go shake down Elder Irudad for a better chance to hit on Multiple Arms

>>539075751
>>539414894
I cannot stand this fucking game
They've made negative fucking progress in ten years
You can't run a business the same way I run my own life, jesus fuck

>>538691903 (OP)
>Is Elin/Elona allowed
>Yes
Yet all of u are just in the discord unlucky!

>>539418115
>shall we use "unfamiliar" in our shitty purple prose chat gpt generator
>no that's too mundane, how about... "defamiliar"?
>brilliant! I'm giving you a raise, you're getting a new pronoun this month!

This buggy piece of shit. The other NPC isn't here and the quest step to travel to this level isn't triggering. Ay, lmao.

>>539420243
Who?

>>539421901
Ended up wishing to rebuild the zone, that worked for some fuckoff reason.

Now I just have to water ritual all of these freaks. I've managed to get all the secrets so far so no stumbling around dying of hunger in the desert covered in fungus.

Thirty. Eight. God. Damned. Strata.

Gonna try a Spiral Borer for the next one, fuck me.

>>539426828
>Ended up wishing to rebuild the zone
Are you playing qud of STALKER

>>539426828
Lightning fast trip for the rest of the talk-no-jutsus, apparently I picked the only mother fucker that makes you spelunk through 45 screens of burrowslime to go first.

Me and shithead here gotta talk, 1 on 1, mano y mano.

This bear's a real yapper, huh? Have some fuckin shame, my guy. Damn.
>>539431605
What's this chick's number, I want her cooking my dinner and bouncing and moaning on it

>>539432342
Naughty bears don't get to get on the spaceship
Do something with the next thousand years, you lazy bitch
(I bet he phases through walls or something when he's in a frozen zone or something, devs really phoned in the last quarter of the game; That's the trouble with early access, you have to patch what you already have instead of holistic design)
(do something with the next ten years you lazy bitches)

>>539432851
Ah fuck, I forgot those damn Slynth and the fucking... Dumb purple robot quest.
Ah well, fuck it. This run is good enough.

>>539432851
The whole thing is because it's made from the wrong direction. You should START with a basic set of endings, even if it's just a placeholder character with a textbox that says "Congratulations, you won!" and then go back from there and add more shit in the middle. That way when you peter out or get side tracked it doesn't fuck the whole game.
Instead they went in linear order leaving the game without a purpose for it's entire existence, and when they FINALLY get around to making a few endings it's all on a single linear quest path with massively over written self insert OCs.

Like objectively it would take only a couple hours to write down a list of endings for each faction and a list of tasks to unlock that ending, and then dump them in as barebones questline skeletons.
Then you can take your times swapping out "give me ten bear asses" to something more interesting. Maybe put in basic faction warfare, they've already got reputation, make each faction ending require your to attack other factions or something.

>>539409934
It's silly, but I had fun with it.
>>539413387
It's got some people working on it again apparently. No idea who exactly, though. But the corpse is being animated.

>>539433501
Welp.
No option to tell Resheph to fuck off and try to uplift these savages without having to fucking do it myself. Dumb fuckin rat.
So we expose his core to normality and leave- I'd love to get people the Gemma, but I gotta go find some fuckin starshiibas too.
Maybe if I install enough intravenous ports and inject 16 sphynx salts at once I can see what's on the other end of this space ride?
Well, anyways. Tallyho.
Not a bad run.
Half dozen abortive splats before breaking through rust well in total, and then this one just takes off and I burn through the whole thing, cloning merchants and stacking timecubes (I used a pair of timecubes on the Cherubs in the final fight- A real bitch, since they had reflect, but with a Freezing Vibrokhopesh as well as both Temporal AND Quantum Fugue, we hork down some urberries and span the gaps with tonics, smooth sailing)

>Instead they went in linear order leaving the game without a purpose for it's entire existence, and when they FINALLY get around to making a few endings it's all on a single linear quest path with massively over written self insert OCs.

I think this is the shit they don't get. I came in, wanting to be proven pleasantly wrong about "le controversy" and... Sure man, do I still think it's utterly cringe even a dozen, let alone however many *cels griefed the Qudmunnity (kek) long enough to leave a lasting trauma scar streaking across the noosphere (whining on Reddit/Steam forums)?
Yes. Very cringe.

....Q-Girl is a little cringe though and I wish I could buy "Oh, she's like, the only unique NPC I had ever written at the time when I did it" but like

Come the fuck on man. "massively over written self insert OCs" undersells it by a mile. It reminds me of the scene in Cats where each cat gets their big fuckoff diva "I'm the most quirked up feline in existence" moment, except with LESS payoff.

How the fuck do you make a story less fulfilling than CATS?? I wasted time reading that shit! I want my money back!

>>539438848
I'm half surprised they accurately described the particular course of action I took. I expected them to bungle it because I didn't accept his deal or descend after breaking the core and-

Oh, fuck. I forgot Barathrum. I was gonna break down the wall and let him out to the shuttle.
Damn, I feel pretty bad about that man.

If they hadn't made the launch countdown so long I could've Sphynx Salted back and gone to get him... Ah, well. He can ride the golem down- He's a smart cookie, he'll probably figure out that Resheph is cooked and the plague is cancelled.
That oughta put some pep in his step, yeah?

>>539438848
>t reminds me of the scene in Cats
how do you know that. Why did you watch Cats.

>>539439485
he's a furfag

>>539439360
This anime is getting weird, man. Culture got fucky after I killed the skymans and left.

>>539439485
>>539439887
If I was a furfag I'd be playing a mutant, not the radically racially ruperior Truekin

(I watched Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt)
(And maybe I've read a few articles that bitched about cats? idk, it's an osmosis thing)
(Maybe I made it all up, you don't know)
(Or do you?)

>>539441109
Ma'am that was a CORPSE I robbed a CORPSE and stole his faulty wings
Good fuckin wings though, I did keep them thangs on me for a long ass time.

>>539441653
Pretty good adventure.
I had CoQ sitting in a folder unattended for a year or two now, it feels like.
Don't think I'll bother giving it a replay, though. Not without major content. Truekin really lets you see most all of the game- I know what it's like to play around with most mutation powers, better than most mutants given that my willpower and ego both were closing in on 40 towards the end.
I've had a chance to sample the different weapons and everything. I really do just only wish that the last third or so of the game hadn't felt like chewing paper.

Fuck do I play next, tho? Can't imagine anything hits the same after that; For all its faults it's probably the most immersive roguelike to ever exist. What do you do after that? Maybe the TOME expansions, I guess? Only ever beat the main campaign, may as well yeah?

>>539443784
Try out other *bands? That's basically the closest to qud's style. Might be neat to play something more focussed like Sil, less billions of random items and descriptions, more "delve into the depths and reclaim a silmaril from morgoth's crown" Very straightforward and unpretentious.
I know after I played qud I had serious wacky description fatigue and it was a nice change of pace to just whack things with a sword.

>>539447428
Yeah. Maybe. Feels like I'm gonna miss all the wacky inventions, twee little mooncalf spergprose aside.
Just straight up Sil? Or SilQ or what is there now?

>>539453569
SilQ is defacto the standard version. Sil is just the same game but unsupported and running on old libraries, narsil is a fork with more shit added in.

rogue bump

I just wanted to say that I've been playing and loving Approaching Infinity since yesterday, and it has already stolen several hours of my life. Fun stuff.
I wish I could have gotten sucked into Cogmind like I did with this, but something just wasn't clicking. Maybe I'm too smooth brained.
Please no bully.

>>539480801
Hermit crab battle?

>>539480801
CRAB BATTLE

rolled bad and ended up in abyss:6 with no rune yet
when should i go back? it seems a lot tougher than abyss 3
i have 4 runes and vaults 5 was a breeze. only non-extended branch uncleared it zot. i plan to go for 15 runes

>>539483971
Probably now is a good time since you're already powerful enough, but you really shouldn't go farther than floor 3 unless you're a war god because you're gonna get quickly surrounded permanently by a mob from floor 4 onwards.
You might want to clear the vestibule of hell or the crypts if you want to have full piety to find the rune more easily, but that's probably not needed.

>>539485321
I didnt go down any stairs after abyss 3. Teleporting just has a chance to downstair you
My first few rune vaults were too nasty to attempt and/or mimics

I'm tired

>>539443784
Iter Vehemens ad Necem

>>539505331
That ever get updated? I haven't heard of it in over a decade.

>>539505856
there's a bunch of forks too, but I don't know which are still maintained.
I don't think I ever got further than the fourth cave or so. I'll need to channel my exploitation prowess one day.

>>538691903 (OP)
los como el rogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0o_UWZEnfQ

>>539398487
>https://www.nethack.org/v367/ports/download-msdos.html
Nethack 3.6.7 for MS-DOS.

>>539522894
why are roguelikes so gay

>>539523774
have you seen this thread

>>539523989
what about it?

>>539524030
very gay smell.

>>539398487
Before Nethack team returned to development I used to play UnNethack, which was basically a fan development after Nethack was abandoned
Idk if UnNethack still gets updates or if mainline Nethack implemented stuff from it but it's worth looking into

>>539524270
i think maybe 50% of the roguelike community, or whatever word you want to use, is gay and im not joking

>>539524390
mostly because they became women halfway through playing or coding roguelikes

>>539524991
that only jokingly explains one variety of gay

>>539525262
well mostly homos play roguelikes, that's why there's so many slavs

>>539524390
two communities defined by their love of type 3 fun have overlap, not surprising

>>539531017
you mean anal sex right

>>539531154
yeah, you can't tell me the average rocklicker doesn't "enjoy" being fucked in the ass

>>539531653
are you calling dicks homosexual

>>539532395
gay men wouldn't love them if they weren't

Is the website down again

How's CoQ?

>>539535198
Well, it was.
Shame, too. I had a pretty good GrEE run I wanted advice on, ended in Bailey.
Poltergeist IE is good, right? Ramparts/Ozo seems pretty strong, I like getting a little more AC from applying slow on reptiles sometimes.
Dunno what to aim for

I think Detonation Catalyst/Manifold Assault sounds like a game winner- Just train mindelay for a branded weapon and spam that, right?
Sounds viable chat?

ungaying roguelikes one post at the time, say thank you to /rlg/-chan

>>539539519
My balls aren't drained, what's there to be grateful for?

if your roguelike is gay, it is actually roguelite

>>539549181
>Qud is a roguelite
...Optional permadeath, it checks out

If your roguelike is easy, it's not even roguelite.

>>539539519
nah it’s gay here too

>>539551962
almost all roguelikes have optional permadeath, it’s called savescumming

praying i don’t get carnivore early on this gradual spider mutant

Did Sideways return to Frog Development? I just checked Angband ladder and he uploaded a run pretty recently

Had a cataclysm game open for two weeks while I mostly did other stuff, but I finally got my character healthy and my shortbow in my hand with ammo.

>you need at least strength 8 to use this shortbow+1
... so is there a way to bail myself out of this quickly or is the character fucked?

For that matter, if strength is melee damage, and bows are strength-locked, does every single character just simply require strength? Why is there a strength slider, then?