Thread 542898479

Welcome to the Super Mario Bros. General, in this kingdom of ours here we discuss everything MARIO! Let's continue the Paisano journey!

/smbg/ #316 - Toadette leaves edition

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>>Mario News and Releases<<
「!」Mario Kart World has officially released!
「!」Donkey Kong Bananza + DK Island & Emerald Rush DLC has officially released!
「!」Super Mario Party Jamboree: Switch 2 + TV update has officially released!
「!」Super Mario Galaxy 1 + 2 (Switch) has officially released!

>Future Release Dates:
「!」Mario Tennis Fever releases on February 12th, 2026
「!」Yoshi and the Mysterious Book releases Spring 2026
「!」Super Mario Bros. Wonder: Meetup in Bellabel Park releases Spring 2026
「!」The Super Mario Galaxy Movie Sequel -potentially- releases on April 3rd, 2026

>Current News Links:
「!」Mario Tennis Fever – Nintendo Direct 9.12.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myC8ZlDiulo
「!」Yoshi (YatMB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YluJneE1bMo
「!」DKB: Emerald Rush DLC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xycnG2mKo
「!」SMBW: NS2E + MIBP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQNAdzmlauc
「!」SMG + SMG2 Switch 2 Port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTYux25TW8Q
「!」TSMGM Movie – Official Title Announcement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC56sjMdKuU
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>General Paisano Links
https://www.mariowiki.com/
https://www.suppermariobroth.com/
>Netplay Guide
https://pastebin.com/kZVHmZGR
>SMA4 level editor (SMA4 Mods - Smaghetti)
https://smaghetti.com/
>SM64 Mod ROM hacks [ replace () with a dot ]
https://rentry()co/romhacks (Guide for newer players & for interest)
https://romhacking()com/

>/smbg/ Anon interest
/smbg/ link compilation: https://rentry.org/g6233fq8
/smbg/ writeanon compilation: https://rentry.org/tv4fp8q5
https://cytube/r/smbg/ (put a dot between u and b)

>Etc. Interest
Post any SMM2 / SMW levels ya' got!
Post gameplay videos!
Share your Strikers club and builds!

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Previous World: >>542199120

>>542898479 (OP)
Toadette love.

Can you guys put funny mario images when you argue

>>542898479 (OP)
>>542899034

I love Luigi!

>>542888806
Worst thing about Galaxy 1/2 is that it did away with focus on sandbox designs and player freedom to be all about linear challenge rooms...but it somehow even does those worse
>left
>the second world in SMS
>not allowed to use Nozzle
>right
>literally final post-Bowser world in SMG2
>way slower
>platforms bigger
>completely took the difficulty out of the gear segment by making them smaller and line up more
>not only allow Spin, even add the god-mode cloud power-up

Also inb4
>but muh Prankster
>Prankster is literally still slower than in Sunshine
>IT ADDS YOSHI
>IT ADDS A CHECKPOINT THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE REGULAR LEVEL???
Crazy stuff

>>542902023
>Bringing last thread's argument into this thread
I thought I told you not to do this. Disappointing.

>>542902381
>everyone is the same person

>>542902023
kek

>>542902486
>Pretending to be someone else
At least own up to being a shitposter. But what else would you expect from a Gamecube cultist? Their inferiority complex has ruined their mind.

>>542902023
>Also inb4
>>but muh Prankster
>>Prankster is literally still slower than in Sunshine
>>IT ADDS YOSHI
>>IT ADDS A CHECKPOINT THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE REGULAR LEVEL???
>Crazy stuff
Forgot the fat bitch Rosalina who offers completing the level for you and blocks the ideal speedrun path

>>542902789
>At least own up to being a shitposter. But what else would you expect from a Gamecube cultist? Their inferiority complex has ruined their mind.
Holy meds, the post times don't even add up Wii faggot.

>>542902960
Multiple devices. After you were humiliated last thread, you started up a samefag festival. Sad.

>>542902023
Wait that's from Sunshine? It's one of the few Galaxy levels I like.

>>542903125
You actually need meds, schizo.
And the only one who was humilated was you after you couldn't back up any of your claims with a single source.

>>542903448
You decided to shitpost from the getgo in the thread. You're evil.

two retards fighting dot pee enn gee

>>542903945
Again, not me.

>>542904135
Likely story. Unless you think a shadowy third figure is provoking both sides in an attempt to kill the general.

>>542902789
>randomly shitting on the FunCube
It bombed, Sega died, everyone bought the expensive PS2 and Nintendo still had the generosity to give fans TWO Pikmins, TWO Metroid Primes, TWO Zeldas, invent new IPs, make deals with Capcom and Namco, support the GBA on the side etc. Nutendo would probably just-- well see Wii U. Learn to appreciate things more.

>>542904435
Everyone who disagrees with you isn't the same person.

>>542904587
It's obvious when someone is using this place to shitpost.

>>542904865
Meant for >>542904746
Don't want to make it sound like I hate the Gamecube. It's just the fans that have a chip on their shoulder.

>>542904587
Based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbFD2W3Ch8

>>542905425
>GIMME A FAT BEE
>GIMME A FAT BEE
>GIMME A FAT BEE

sunshine is pretty macabre desu, that shit you do to the pigs or the squid

>>542902023
That's just the direction things took with Wii if not sooner. IIRC Aonuma straight up said he made Zelda SS for his toddler son.

Sakurai is a manga protagonist now
>Masahiro Sakurai's life story is being released as an educational manga!
>Title: Masahiro Sakurai - Making the World More Fun with Games
>It will include behind the scenes stories about the creation of Kirby and Super Smash Bros.
>Miyamoto will appear

>>542907507
>Hackurai manga
Sakurai shit belongs in the kirby general

>>542907507
sakurai is sucking himself off hard these days, his only saving grace is dropping smash bros to follow his game creation

>>542909524
He's never going to escape Smash.

>>542907507
Which magazine?

>>542910792
None, it's being released in full as a 160 page book. The 5 sections are:
Young Sakurai and Games
The Birth of Kirby
The Beginning of Super Smash Bros
The Founding of Sora, Inc
The Legacy
A Beacon for the Future

>>542911981
Shōnen? Can it be adapted for an anime series?

>>542915194
They should make a whole anime about the Nintendo pillars

This isn't about Mario or Miyamoto.

>>542916286
Mario is in Smash.

>>542918060
This is almost entirely about kirby, not even the cover has Mario in it. Why not take it to the kirby general or resurrect the dead smash general.

>>542919296
We support Sakurai and it is Mario related. There's even a chapter about Smash.

>>542919680
>We support Sakurai and it is Mario related.
we reject hackurai actually

>>542919680
>We support Sakurai and it is Mario related. There's even a chapter about Smash.
Nah, you're most likely one of those who only care about Sakurai when he's doing smash shit. It is the only reason you posted it here.
Also a post earlier instantly wanted a smash anime instead of a anime based on sakurai's manga too >>542915986
Not true support.

>>542916286
I'm sure the gang will make an appearance on it

>>542915986(me)
>>542920734
>Also a post earlier instantly wanted a smash anime instead of a anime based on sakurai's manga too
With Nintendo pillars I meant people like Miyamoto, Iwata, Sakurai, Yamauchi, John Kirby, Imamura, Tajiri, etc
Not a Smash anime.

>>542920792
Iwata will at least. Sakurai made a nice video about Iwata.

>>542916286
How come every time I check this thread there's always some schizo going "we can't discuss X because it's not canon"

Mario?

>>542922438
Maaaario!

>>542922991
Why isn't this coming on NSO this month?

>>542923103
Nintendo has FORGOTTEN about Luigi

>>542921713
>How come every time I check this thread there's always some schizo going "we can't discuss X because it's not canon"
I don't think that equates in this case. Since this is a manga mostly outside of the mario branch, so being skeptical is normal.
The schizo you refer to goes after stuff that still clearly is in the Mario series itself.

>>542923103
Can't let Luigi's mansion 1 outshine its sequels again.

>>542924935
You poisoned the well before with your complaints about things off topic. We aren't going to listen to you, so Sakurai's manga is allowed due to being related to Mario.

>>542931076
who's we faggot, he wasn't the only sakurai complainer
hackurai's manga is not even mario, there's no mention of mario on any of the chapters, it's probably going into meta history prior to the game and not characters too

ssbg refugees out

>>542908017
Cute cloud.

>>542932118
Smash is a Mario game, and the manga will shed light on the Executive Producer of many Mario games such as Sunshine, Double Dash, Thousand Year Door, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, and Super Mario 3D World.

>>542933165
Smash isn't a Mario game. it's a Nintendo fighter.
> the manga will shed light on the Executive Producer of many Mario games such as Sunshine, Double Dash, Thousand Year Door, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, and Super Mario 3D World.
Why do none of the chapter titles have reference to this. It's going to be a 2 sentence blurb at best.

>>542933358
It's a spin-off Mario game, just look at the title
>Super_____Bros

>>542933628
>It's a spin-off Mario game, just look at the title
>Super_____Bros
Notice how there's no Mario there.

>>542933379
Smash has many Mario characters in it, a third of Smash 64 was Mario characters.
>Why do none of the chapter titles have reference to this.
Iwata was extremely important throughout Sakurai's career and wouldn't just be in one chapter. Iwata was the person who interview Sakurai. Iwata helped code Smash 64 and he gave Smash it's name. Iwata helped fix a lot of Melee's bugs. Iwata brought Sakurai back to helm Brawl and by extension every Smash game after, which allowed for Kid Icarus Uprising to be made. They also made time for each other to meet and talk.
Without Iwata Sakurai would have gone down a different path and I would expect him to be present as soon as the manga starts talking about him working at HAL with it containing Iwata's death.

Kino...

>>542924303
His year sucked.

>>542934693
motorboat

>>542935045
>Super Mario 3D World
>Luigi's Mansion 2
>New Super Luigi U
>Dream Team
>Dr Luigi
If we had a year with all of these games now we'd say it was the best year for Mario for a very long time. Thank you Luigi.

>>542934551
It's a manga about Sakurai's game development career. The people that were in his life will almost certainly appear in it, sure, but they won't have a spotlight like you seem to be wishing for. Iwata will appear to give advice as a co-worker and later ask him to work on Brawl as a client. Miyamoto will appear to try and color Kirby yellow.
You cannot expect anything more than that. And Smash is most certainly not a Mario spinoff.

>>542936014
>It's a manga about Sakurai's game development career
Iwata was crucial during his career so he'll have the HAL interview, Smash 64, some allusions to Melee, Iwata getting Sora involved with Brawl, and his death at the very least.

>>542936296
It's about Sakurai, not Iawata. Chill out.

Kirby general is struggling for posts and you fill up about sakurai here? For shame.

>>542935403
gruke

Sakurai and Iwata don't even have anything to do with Mario why is this guy obsessing so hard about this

>>542936548
/smbg/ struggles for posts too

>>542936860
/kdg/ struggles for posts way more than /smbg/

>>542937865
>/kdg/ struggles for posts way more than /smbg/
I remember them reaching our thread numbers years ago, but we still managed to lap them by 116 threads since then.

>>542936860
their last thread died before bump limit

>>542926508
3 is honestly pretty on par with 1 and would be better if it just had a more grittier aesthetic.

>>542942130
3 just had the unfortunate release timing of coming out in the modern day dominated by post modern nonsense

I love Luigi

>>542906427
Based Mario.

turtle pussy
https://images2.imgbox.com/db/70/hH2n3eyG_o.png

long mario is looooooong

Damn people weren't lying about Hotel Delfino, pure exploration kino with so much subtlety out of left field that I doubt they would still do today. And a fun parkour star as well.

>>542956532
>the cuck room

>>542956974
meds

>>542959716
hot

nintendo games really just be made by brown mystery meat millennials now

>>542961325
>arranger
lol

>>542961325
Nintendo doesn't even control Pokémon, fool!
>>>/vp/

>>542962773
They control one third of it

>>542963130
Not a majority.

>>542963475
Never said it was

>>542936387
Iwata is a major part of Sakurai's career so he's going to have a major part in the manga. It's not going to be Sakurai monologing for the entire thing, it'll be going through Sakurai's time as a game dev in which Iwata played a major role in.

>>542973024
NTA but you don't even know what's in the sakurai manga yet, we don't know how much iwata is in it either.

>>542973795
We already have the main five sections revealed, and we know how relevant Iwata is in these sections based on how Sakurai has described things in the past. It's guaranteed that Iwata will at least have a presence in
>The Birth of Kirby
>The Beginning of Super Smash Bros
>The Founding of Sora, Inc
and depending on when Sora's section ends he may have a role in
>The Legacy.

not reading that manga

>>542968704
Mario's doing it backwards!

I'll say what everybody is thinking
We need a Kafkaesque Mario game

>>542977141
Every /smbg/ anon will be reading it in English, pirated with a fan TL or otherwise. You are not one of us.

Baby Waluigi debuting in a Mario Tennis game actually makes a boatload of sense since Camelot is responsible for creating Waluigi.

>>542961325
Aren't some of the new Pokemon artists western indie fags

>>542902023
Sunshine is the last real parkour Mario because Nintendo started catering to casuals. Most can't remember but what initially lit the fuse for Sunshine being seen more critically is people crying about the difficulty, before shitposters made it all about blue coins and bugs. Check any of the trials on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGz5NK5-S4
>I certainly have to ask my self over and over with this game: am I actually having fun??
This guy says about one of the most fun parkours in the series that wants you to use every move including angled multi wall jumps.
>I swear whoever came up with this level needs to be smacked up beside the head. How the hell do they expect people to be able to beat this let alone young children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrw2HsrgPo0
>This game is the reason I have anxiety lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_xNbj6dwfE
>Forcing players to wall jump to complete these stages is just cruel.
Unironically complaining a Mario wants you to use Mario's core moves, which is why newer games barely do it or angled wall jumps are no longer even possible in Odyssey.

Blame vocal casuals and Nintendo thinking you need to cater to them (FromSoftware proved you don't).

>>542985383
People forget how many casuals there actually are and how bad the average player is.

>>542985383
>FromSoftware proved you don't
Not a single FromSoftware game has managed to be as succesful as Nintendo's big mass-market hitters, so you can't say Nintendo's approach was wrong

>>542985383
>Nintendo thinking you need to cater to them (FromSoftware proved you don't).
Grimdark games have a much easier time getting away with high difficulty. Journos WILL throw a hissy and punish a non-pretetnious game for all ages if they suck at it, see Tropical Freeze

>>542985383
>Crying about YouTube comments
A new low for Sunshinefags. What's next, posting discord screen caps? This is why everyone says you have an inferiority complex.

>>542985383
>FromSoftware proved you don't
With what? Reddit Ring that is easily beaten by family dads? That game very blatantly caters to casuals. I’ve played the souls games. They’re retardedly easy (I played strength builds without summons, the ”hardest” build) and I genuinely find Mario games a LOT more difficult. I beat the hardest souls bosses like Gael and Friede on my first try meanwhile some of the harder Mario stages make me want to tear my hair out in frustration.

>>542986281
I replied to a post, you are the one crying.
>>542986294
lol

>>542986373
>lol
I accept your concession.

>>542986373
You had multiple random YouTube comments living rent free in your mind ready to pull up. That's pathetic.

>>542985383
>Most can't remember but what initially lit the fuse for Sunshine being seen more critically is people crying about the difficulty
Factually wrong. I distinctly remember people already being weird with Sunshine before it even released due to the "gay water spraying" stuff, there was this aura among the gamesphere that it was going to be a silly enviromentalist game where you clean stages with your water squirter.
I think it's pretty easy to see Sunshine in general was suffering with a shift in what gamers liked and wanted even before people got to even play it.

>>542986558
I like those comments because they confirm what I'm saying. They are living rent free in your head from now on which is why you are reacting this way

Btw. 0 salt in the comments for Galaxy 2's final final level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAUiqJOa4A&t

>>542986734
>"gay water spraying"
You just sound retarded desu

>>542986810
Don't no u me. 0 salty comments in those YouTube comments if that is the case (I don't read YouTube comments) means people believe it's a fair difficulty without the signature Sunshine jank.

>>542987039
Wall jumps aren't jank.

Only on Twitter and here do you see posts acting like Sunshine is the Mario equivalent of Sonic Forces

>>542986810
>Btw. 0 salt in the comments for Galaxy 2's final final level
it's 2/3 motion gimmicks and cloud vs enemy spam. flip out isn't harder per se but its much better

>>542987196
No one knows the fuck Sonic Forces is. I bet you are the guy who shitposted Mario 64 and Sunshine for 100 posts in the last thread, we already know you are a Segafag you don't have to spell it out for us.

>>542987129
Those wall jumps in particular are fine though it is better to ease people into the concept. Sunshine's terrible reputation means that people can't address some of the few better things in it.
>>542987196
I assume you mean that it's bad? Sunshine has always had a terrible reputation. Only relatively recently has it improved.

>>542987546
>Those wall jumps in particular are fine though
Then what are you babbling about?
>Sunshine's terrible reputation
I love how ovbious you make it that you are coping when you say shit like that. it's almost tourettic

>Sunshine's terrible reputa- ACK
One more Galaxy port and even the last dildo will understand how overrated the originals were.

>>542987706
It's pathetic to let criticisms of a game you like live rent free in your mind.
>you are coping
Are we pretending that it doesn't have a bad reputation? Sunshine wasn't particularly liked on release if you remember back then. It only started to be redeemed in the eyes of some when it started to ride off of 64's coattails in the speed running community.

>>542987254
>flip out isn't harder per se but its much better
One of those levels that selectively don't let you wall jump in some spots. It's that Galaxy jank

>>542988434
>funky if monkeypox

>>542988434
>Funky bulge
>flat Candy

>>542960327
thanks

>sunshinefag seething about Galaxy for days on end
This can't be healthy.

>>542987870
>muh MC
Step aside Sunshineplebs

>>543010787
>Both critic score and user score beaten
Sunshinebwos...

>>543010787
>>543021160
Nobody really likes SMB3, it's just posers.

>>542982068
>Every /smbg/ anon will be reading it in English, pirated with a fan TL or otherwise. You are not one of us.
We won't. Stop shilling here.

>>543026086
I'm convinced he's shitposting at this point.
I'll be reading it, because it seems interesting, I'm a Kirby fan, and I enjoyed the one I previously read about Yuji Horii, but to think it's delusional to think everyone here is going to read it. Hell, it's delusional to think everyone in /kdg/ will read it. And it's far more relevant to them.

>>543026417
the anon turned me off from reading it shoving it in our faces

>>543026417
>but to think
but I think*
minor spelling mistake.gif

>>543026086
We will.
>>543026417
All of the core will read it.

>>543027074
We won't. You've poisoned the core.

>>543027140
Why do you hate Nintendo? Go back to /v/.

>>543027724
Just stop already

>>543027724
>Why do you hate Nintendo? Go back to /v/.
NTA but you're literally letting the kirby general die to constantly shill this here where it applies there way more.

>>543028286
I don't hate Nintendo, so no.
>>543028343
It applies everywhere, Kirby doesn't own Sakurai. Sakurai is relevant to most Nintendo franchises.

>>543028439
He is relevant to Kirby and Smash.
Kirby isn't even a Nintendo franchise, so it's news to me that Smash is the only Nintendo franchise. I could've sworn there were more.

>>543028439
>It applies everywhere, Kirby doesn't own Sakurai. Sakurai is relevant to most Nintendo franchises.
>Kirby doesn't own Sakurai
So you really were just a smashtard pretending to like Sakurai's other work.

>>542987870
Mario Sunshine won.

>>542988112
>Sunshine wasn't particularly liked on release
It was. Your revisionist history is cope.

99 posts of shit on the board..
99 posts of shit..

>>542985383
trvth nvke

>>543028946
I'm so sorry...

>>543027140
He's right, everybody that isn't a secondary will read it.

>>543030981
You're a samefag secondary.

>>543030610
This doesn't count, okay? Galaxy 2 paid for those scores while all of Sunshine's scores were genuine. Galaxy 2 did not beat Sunshine please don't post this image again. Why do you have to do this every time everyone in this general prefers Sunshine why are you like this please can you not post this again I love Sunshine and you just love to shitpost despite Sunshine being the best game and I just want you Galaxyfags to accept your game is shit please don't post this image again.

>>543030610
Looks like people woke up to the galaxy motion floaty slop >>542987870

>>543031216
>no u
Try harder.

>>542983923
Didn't he debut in Mario Tennis?
>>542987870
Shouldn't it be two separate scores?

>>543031543
Remaster scores are about the state of the remaster, not the game itself.

>>543031567
>blatantly samefagging and didn't even deny it
You already lost.

>>543031406
What in the holy hell is this schizopost?

>>543031406
>This doesn't count, okay? Galaxy 2 paid for those scores while all of Sunshine's scores were genuine. Galaxy 2 did not beat Sunshine please don't post this image again. Why do you have to do this every time everyone in this general prefers Sunshine why are you like this please can you not post this again I love Sunshine and you just love to shitpost despite Sunshine being the best game and I just want you Galaxyfags to accept your game is shit please don't post this image again.
You're not me, glad you revealed how schizo galaxyfags are with this dishonest falseflag.
>>543031660
Holy cope.

>>543031727
>and didn't even deny it
just look you didn't deny that you were a secondary, uh oh!

>>543031593
The two separate games are both higher than Sunshine. In fact, Sunshine has the lowest user score of ever 3D Mario game, even 3D Land is 8.3,

>>543032091
You didn't deny the secondary either, and you admitted you were a samefag, even worse

>>543031957
That wasn't me, not my fault that some Sunshinefag went off the deep end.
Also the fact it's a remaster always affects the score.

>>543032530
>That wasn't me, not my fault that some Sunshinefag went off the deep end.
Did you just come to the site yesterday newfag? Everyone can see the galaxyfag (you) just went on a blatant schizo falseflag spree. Get better at baiting.
You also literally just admitted you were falseflagging with this reply by responding to the accusation in such a way. You're not very smart are you.
>Also the fact it's a remaster always affects the score.
This is cope.

>>543028562
You forgot Kid Icarus

>>543032972
What? Why are you accusing me of this?
>This is cope
Bad remasters always get lower scores. Only the original scores hold true, in which Sunshine has the worst for 3D Mario games.

>>543031593
That's the latest release of the games, which expose them for being glazed.
>>543032217
>The two separate games are both higher than Sunshine. In fact, Sunshine has the lowest user score of ever 3D Mario game, even 3D Land is 8.3,
Latest Galaxy 1 + 2 is at a 7.8 userscore and lower than Sunshine along with the actual review score.
3d land is also at a lower actual critic score than Sunshine where all reviews have to actually play the game unlike the userscore.

>>543033229
>Latest Galaxy 1 + 2
Remasters don't enter the conversation as they get rated based on being remasters, and they got bad remasters.
>3d land is also at a lower actual critic score
User score is more valid than critic score because it's well established gaming critics are retards.

>>543033129
You're so bad at lying, falselflagger.
>Bad remasters always get lower scores. Only the original scores hold true, in which Sunshine has the worst for 3D Mario games.
>B-bad remaster
This is cope, no news about that. Also Switch literally removes half of the need for tedious wii mote shaking every 3 seconds. So we now know that all old praise was fake now that people can actually play the game.
>>543033409
>Latest Galaxy 1 + 2
>Remasters don't enter the conversation as they get rated based on being remasters, and they got bad remasters.
They do, Wii objectively had worse gameplay with the wiimote waggling, Switch allowed you to fully experience the game, and opened our eyes to the mediocrity.
>3d land is also at a lower actual critic score
>User score is more valid than critic score because it's well established gaming critics are retards.
Holy cope. User scores doesn't even need to play the game to spam reviews (a very infamous fact about metacritic) vs Critic score. Stop backpedaling now.

>>542978004
could be kino

>>543034032
User score is more valid than critic score. This graph exposes Sunshine as the least liked 3D Mario game. Critic score is less important.
The poor quality remasters decreased the scores of the Galaxy remasters and isn't valid when talking about the actual games which were rated the first and second highest.
Any schizo cope is invalid. Cold hard data proves that Sunshine is the least liked while Galaxy is the most liked.

>>543034810
If the pattern holds true does this mean that the next 3D Mario game is going to have a low user score?

>>543034810
I'm surprised at 64 being that low but I suppose it probably has the most scores. Probably still near the top in the core fandom unlike a certain game or two with lower scores.

>>543034810
Interesting. There's not a lot of actual variance here. Shows that Mario is a good franchise even if some games aren't as liked as others.

>>543034810
>User score is more valid than critic score. This graph exposes Sunshine as the least liked 3D Mario game. Critic score is less important.
>The poor quality remasters decreased the scores of the Galaxy remasters and isn't valid when talking about the actual games which were rated the first and second highest.
>Any schizo cope is invalid. Cold hard data proves that Sunshine is the least liked while Galaxy is the most liked.

>Galaxyfags throwing the rest of the Mario games under the bus just to validate their motion slop
Like clockwork.
You don't need to play the games for the user score and many games have been spammed by new accounts and user scores.
You wanking them proves your dishonesty. Even looking at this shit without this knowledge your disingenuous graph literally proves how overrated the galaxy wiimote motion shit games were
Switch versions are objectively better than the extreme tedious motion Wii versions since they cut most of it out, so it's the actual the truer scores.

>>543034810
Userscores on Metacritic are shit and don't matter. Steam reviews fix this by having to verify you played the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlZORgKhwQ

>>543036186
Remaster scores don't erase the original greatness.
I never insulted the other 3D Mario games, not my fault that the Galaxies are the best rated games.
Why do you hate Galaxy so much? Is it really because it received so much praise while Sunshine wasn't liked on release? I think it's pretty sad you hold 18 year old grudges. Your grudge is old enough to drink and vote.

>>543036447
User scores are more valuable than critic scores when a game isn't being affected by review bombing. None of these Mario games were ever review bombed. There are no Steam reviews to compare Mario games against for obvious reasons.

>>543036642
>User scores are more valuable than critic scores when a game isn't being affected by review bombing. None of these Mario games were ever review bombed. There are no Steam reviews to compare Mario games against for obvious reasons.
No they aren't. Userscores are never valuable since you can't verify your hours played with it or game time with it. Critic scores need mandatory game playing.

>>543036454
>18 year old grudges
Wait is he actually an OG Sunshinefag holding a grudge? Is he actually a 40 year old man who has been melting down in this general for multiple days about Galaxy? Please tell me this isn't true. It's so pathetic.

>>543036454
>Remaster scores don't erase the original greatness.
Constant Motion garbage isn't greatness.
>I never insulted the other 3D Mario games, not my fault that the Galaxies are the best rated games.
You literally just did to praise your precious motion slop.
>Why do you hate Galaxy so much? Is it really because it received so much praise while Sunshine wasn't liked on release? I think it's pretty sad you hold 18 year old grudges. Your grudge is old enough to drink and vote.
Sunshine was liked on release. Galaxy, like the wii itself, only got praise because motion slop was the fad at the time. Now it isn't and people are offering true scores.

>>543036783
The problem with critic scores is that critics have been exposed as complete retards. Wasn't there a critic who couldn't complete the tutorial of Cuphead? When critics are like this we can't include them.

>>543037110
>The problem with critic scores is that critics have been exposed as complete retards. Wasn't there a critic who couldn't complete the tutorial of Cuphead? When critics are like this we can't include them.
Verifiable sources are always better than userscores spamming 0's and 10's to suit their bias. You should know this especially by this year from everyone taking that disingenuous source to shit on Mario and Nintendo.

>>543037071
>Constant Motion garbage isn't greatness.
The general public disagrees as Galaxy 1 and 2 are the best rated 3D Mario games. Even according to your line of logic if the games got rated lower on the Switch because the motion controls got altered, doesn't that mean people prefer motion controls. Now I'm just saying this according to your logic, because that's the logical end of your logic.
>You literally just did
Galaxy being better rated than other 3D Mario games doesn't mean that non-Galaxy games are bad.
>Sunshine was liked on release
It never was.

>>543037396
>Verifiable sources are always better
When these sources are low quality sources then we need to go with the user scores. I don't know about whatever drama you're talking about but user scores are usually more reliable than critic scores. Especially when critic scores are known to be manipulated by the video game publishers.

>>543037445
>The general public disagrees as Galaxy 1 and 2 are the best rated 3D Mario games. Even according to your line of logic if the games got rated lower on the Switch because the motion controls got altered, doesn't that mean people prefer motion controls. Now I'm just saying this according to your logic, because that's the logical end of your logic.
Your disingenuous fallacies won't work here. It exposes the game after the motion fad got ran out and the well dried up. People still are complaining about the motion levels.
>Galaxy being better rated than other 3D Mario games doesn't mean that non-Galaxy games are bad.
Galaxy literally isn't better than every other 3d Mario, Sunshine isn't either. This objectively proves it's overrated.
>Sunshine was liked on release
>It never was.
It was.

>>543037639
>When these sources are low quality sources then we need to go with the user scores. I don't know about whatever drama you're talking about but user scores are usually more reliable than critic scores. Especially when critic scores are known to be manipulated by the video game publishers.
>Playing the fool and ignoring half the post
You're a dishonest faggot. Critic scores being manipulated is unverifiable while we have tons of cases of userscores being extremely manipulated, even the cases you're pretending to forget.

>>543036918
Meanwhile this is what a 40 year old OG galaxyfag schizo writes to pretend to be someone else >>543031406

>>543037838
According to what you say, the game's score reduced when they altered the motion controls. You now have two options. Either the Galaxy remaster was bad so people rated it lower, or people rated it lower purely because there was no motion controls. You're made your bed, now lie in it and choose which one it is.
>Galaxy literally isn't better than every other 3d Mario,
The public disagrees, though I do prefer 64 over them. It shows that they're simply the most popular games.
>It was.
People hated FLUDD back then.

>>543038038
>Critic scores being manipulated is unverifiable
It's high verifiable because of how companies give bonuses to critics in addition to the pressure critics feel to give companies good reviews to keep getting these bonuses and games sent early.

>>543038350
>According to what you say, the game's score reduced when they altered the motion controls. You now have two options. Either the Galaxy remaster was bad so people rated it lower, or people rated it lower purely because there was no motion controls. You're made your bed, now lie in it and choose which one it is.
More disingenuous shit, people still complain about the motion levels even now. Wii Galaxy just had a fad boost.
>>Galaxy literally isn't better than every other 3d Mario,
>The public disagrees, though I do prefer 64 over them. It shows that they're simply the most popular games.
Galaxyfag literally shitting on the other games again, trying to use 64 as a shield for it.
>The public disagrees
They do agree as we can see this year.
>People hated FLUDD back then.
Low amount of people then. The game wouldn't be in the 90s in score otherwise.

I want to replay Sunshine but I don’t own 3D All-Stars and I don’t want to play on my PC.

>>543038908
>It's high verifiable because of how companies give bonuses to critics in addition to the pressure critics feel to give companies good reviews to keep getting these bonuses and games sent early.
Many reviewers with early review copies give honest reviews with gameplay, And it's still better than scores that mostly don't play the game that just spam 10s and 0s.
You literally lying saying you "don't know about whatever drama" about what has been going on daily this year against Mario proves you're dishonest scum.

>>543039034
>Wii Galaxy just had a fad boost.
Unverifiable.
>Galaxyfag literally shitting on the other games again
It's a simple fact Galaxy is rated the highest. I'm not like a certain other anon who makes it a mission to shit on Galaxy to prop up Sunshine.
>They do agree as we can see this year.
They didn't like the remaster, says nothing about the games.
>The game wouldn't be in the 90s in score
It's rated 8.2 by the public, the lowest for an individual Mario game. Critic scores are irrelevant for discussing how the public felt about a game.

>>543039581
>Many reviewers with early review copies give honest reviews with gameplay,
I don't know how many truly do. There's always the feeling you need to handle things with baby gloves. They're all manipulated scores meaning that they're a worse measure.
>You literally lying saying you "don't know about whatever drama"
I'm sorry I don't go on Twitter except to look at porn. I like to stay in 4chan.

>>543035454
>>543035882
These posts feel so unorganic, kek. Just to suck off the galaxy tard

>>543039598
>>543039856
>Unverifiable.
>no u
The wii motion fad has been verified for years and people still shit on the motion levels today.
>Galaxyfag literally shitting on the other games again
>It's a simple fact Galaxy is rated the highest. I'm not like a certain other anon who makes it a mission to shit on Galaxy to prop up Sunshine.
You're literally shitting on the rest of the games to prop up Galaxy motion shit.
>They didn't like the remaster, says nothing about the games.
It's the game released again, says all about the games. Your precious public has went against you.
>The game wouldn't be in the 90s in score
>It's rated 8.2 by the public, the lowest for an individual Mario game. Critic scores are irrelevant for discussing how the public felt about a game.
Userscores are irrelevant since they don't need to play the game to spam new accounts and post 0s and 10s, unlike critic scores. The galaxies got a 7.8 there too so that's the lowest.
>I don't know how many truly do. There's always the feeling you need to handle things with baby gloves. They're all manipulated scores meaning that they're a worse measure.
Userscores are the all manipulated scores. Critic reviews have to play the actual game.
>>You literally lying saying you "don't know about whatever drama"
>I'm sorry I don't go on Twitter except to look at porn. I like to stay in 4chan.
Why are you so bad at lying, the drama talked about is on 4chan just as much too.

How can anyone think shaking a wiimote every 4 seconds is good gameplay on par with other 3d marios, galaxy is the most on nostalgia juice.

>>543040620
>The wii motion fad has been verified
Your line of logic confirmed that people prefer Galaxy with more forced motion controls.
>You're literally shitting on the rest of the games
Only Sunshine is bad.
>It's the game released again,
An inferior version of the game gets a worse score.
>Userscores are irrelevant
>Userscores are the all manipulated scores
Userscores are the most accurate score. Critic reviews are not as they get handouts to play the game.
>the drama talked about is on 4chan just as much
On /v/? I don't go there either. Why would I waste my time with a board designed to make people annoyed?

Sunshinefag is having a melty lol

>>543041457
You have to feel bad for him.

>>543041307
>Your line of logic confirmed that people prefer Galaxy with more forced motion controls.
That's not anyone's line of logic but your forced narrative. It's was a giant motion fad blinding people to the garbage. Even more confirmed this year.
>Only Sunshine is bad.
Nah you posted the pic having galaxy on top of everything else just to put it on a pedestal.
>An inferior version of the game gets a worse score.
No it's not since it removes giants amount of the motion shit, you are blind to it since you still have tastes of you being 7 years old. It's so funny how you say this to any other old game when it applies the most to overrated forced motion spamming galaxy.
>Userscores are irrelevant
>Userscores are the all manipulated scores
>Userscores are the most accurate score. Critic reviews are not as they get handouts to play the game.
Userscores are the most inaccurate ones, as Critic scores actually play the game and review the game.
>>the drama talked about is on 4chan just as much
>On /v/? I don't go there either. Why would I waste my time with a board designed to make people annoyed?
It's even on here. So not only are you a newfag but you're lying that you don't know what is talked about just so you can ignore the wildly inaccurate userscore usage. You even seem to know exactly where it is as you mention the multiple places unprompted. Again you're a very bad liar.

>>543041457
the Galaxyfag is schizo spamming as much as him, both should shut up already

>>543042215
>That's not anyone's line of logic
You said that people disliked the game more when they altered the motion controls. Why are you pretending you didn't?
>Nah you posted the pic having galaxy on top of everything else
It's just what the people believe.
>No it's not
It's extremely common with remasters and remakes to get a lower score than the original. Another example of this is MGS3. It's not re-evaluation the original it's rating an inferior version worse.
>Userscores are the most inaccurate ones
They're the most accurate because they aren't pressured by companies like critics are.
>You even seem to know exactly where it is as you mention the multiple places unprompted.
It's common knowledge /v/ and Twitter are dumpster fires. I don't really know what grand drama is happening but that's real bad, I guess?

>>543042794
>You said that people disliked the game more when they altered the motion controls. Why are you pretending you didn't?
I literally didn't say that, you did. Wii was the motion fad era in reality. People are shitting on the motion controls on the Switch.
>It's just what the people believe.
Motion blinded people from that era. This literally proves Galaxy was overrated. Your "line of logic" shit is saying the other 3d marios are worse when they have actual non shitty motion gameplay.
>It's extremely common with remasters and remakes to get a lower score than the original. Another example of this is MGS3. It's not re-evaluation the original it's rating an inferior version worse.
False equivalence. Wii Galaxy had motion spam at every part of the game. Switch removes most of it which every praises since the motion fad is dead, while still shitting on the forced motion levels that couldn't be changed.
>They're the most accurate because they aren't pressured by companies like critics are.
They're the least accurate since you don't even need to play the game and many years of raiding proves they are pressured by the raid mindset alone. Way worse than Critic reviews.
>You even seem to know exactly where it is as you mention the multiple places unprompted.
>It's common knowledge /v/ and Twitter are dumpster fires. I don't really know what grand drama is happening but that's real bad, I guess?
You're lying through your teethe here, you knew where they were instantly, and it gets brought up in this general too. So you're either a complete newfag, or a disingenuous liar, likely both.

>>543042413
I wanted to leave well enough alone but he insisted on spamming about how much he hates Galaxy to prop up Sunshine. If he would eventually learn his lesson and stop his tirade to try and convince everyone in the general that Galaxy is bad I wouldn't need to reply to him any longer. I invite for him to stop his nonsense, but I imagine that this'll fall on deaf ears.

>>543043973
You're literally spamming as much as me to prop up Galaxy above all the 3d marios including Sunshine. You're still going to keep responding with hypocrisy right after this, so you don't care about that guys post at all.

>>543044317
I'm simply replying to you while you shitpost and lie about what I actually say. All this would take for it to stop would be you admitting that it's all your opinion and that we can agree to disagree.

>>543044648
You're literally using fallacies against me and putting words in my mouth to force your narratives. Get off your high horse.

>>543044856
Are you going to prolong this and extend this interaction to be even longer despite all of the posts already or are you going to admit it's just your opinion and to agree to disagree?

>>543045273
You're already prolonging this by replying, but yeah it's your opinion then. Agree to disagree.

>>543039598
>Unverifiable.
UR MR GAY

>>543045572
I'd prefer for you to admit that it's just your opinion, but I'd rather this end now to spare the general from more so let's agree to disagree. Let's try to keep game wars to a minimum for the next couple of threads at least.

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1979171084562801013
I think it's safe to say both are deconfirmed from the Galaxy Movie (unless you can cite an actor starring in multiple movies with the same release date).

>>543046526
uh...ok?

>>543046526
I don't know about the same day, but there are cases of actors appearing in multiple major movies in close proximity to each other, and given the Mario movie is a VA project it's not like it's the same level of commitment as a live action movie.

Cute new art with Luigi (and Mario) dropped.

>>543047808
Cute? Looks lewd.

>>543047808
>Fannade.
I sleep.

https://x.com/MarioRPGCentral/status/1978676132368076968
Pokémonbros…

>>543048182
But... they're brothers...

>>543051186
We already know how DS games work on Switch.

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/10/nintendos-ex-vice-president-of-sales-bruce-lowry-reveals-the-nes-game-they-couldnt-give-away
Worst NES game revealed.

>>543052973
Nobody ever points it out, but arcade Donkey Kong was the original failed shill character:
>Donkey Kong, the game where you play as Jumpman to rescue Lady from Donkey Kong, is a huge success.
>Instead of capitalizing on what people loved about it, they tried to push DK as the face of the series instead.
>They desperately tried to redeem him by giving him a son and putting him in the damsel-in-distress role.
>Go and make a shit ton of spin-offs where his villainy was downplayed.
>Go as far as making Donkey Kong Circus to try and paint him as the victim.
>Try to pivot back to him being an antagonist with Donkey Kong 3
>Even made him the protagonist of a cartoon segment.
>all of this failed, and the success of the original game was never matched.
>Meanwhile, the actual protagonist of the original game went to start the series that revolutionized the gaming industry and went on to become the biggest icon in the world.
>Years later and Rare had to retcon arcade DK into being modern DK's grandfather and erased DK JR from existence.

>>543056064
DK is truely the Harold Hamgravy or Barney Google of video games...

Why is the bananza schizo always seething about Donkey kong.

>>543028562
Kirby is a 2nd party nintendo franchise. Anything series that is exclusive to only their devices is a part of nintendo, this also goes for pokemon.

>>543063510
Hate to break it to you bub but it's a HAL franchise.

>>543063805
>HAL franchise.
Hal is second party to Nintendo and only makes games for them.

>>543064176
Yes, and? Doesn't mean they can't own their franchises. You wouldn't have called Banjo-Kazooie a Nintendo franchise.

>>543064176
>and only makes games for them.
Exclusive to mobile devices for 3 years.

>>543064791
>Yes, and? Doesn't mean they can't own their franchises. You wouldn't have called Banjo-Kazooie a Nintendo franchise.
Banjo eventually left Nintendo and rotted, Kirby didn't.
>>543065223
Not a kirby game and this is available for Nintendo switch.

>>543065393
>moving the goalposts
>twice

>>543065449
The goalpost was Kirby being a nintendo exclusive franchise.

>>543065223
that mobile version is lost media now

>>543065572
>Hal is second party to Nintendo and only makes games for them.
>provide example of game that was not made for Nintendo
>ha HA that's not Kirby, therefore I win the argument!
If I knew I was debating with a moron I wouldn't have bothered stretching my typing fingers in the first place.

>>543066459
that's /smbg/ for ya.

>>543066459
The goalpost was starrted here though, you moved goalposts to Hal when we're talking about the kirby series >>543063510

>>543066459
>>provide example of game that was not made for Nintendo
It's on Nintendo switch.

>>543064791
>You wouldn't have called Banjo-Kazooie a Nintendo franchise.
NTA but back in the day I would have

Stop using this as a Nintendo general.

>>543066689
The other guy already tried to say Kirby is not a nintendo series, he already was dumb on /smbg/

Stop sexualizing the characters.

>>543066232
That is what this moron is weighing his "H-hal isn't a nintendo company" argument on? Very flimsy.

>>543067086
sorry that you're gay anon, there's no cure to that

>>543066232
We lost it?

yeah 64 and sunshine are probably the best in terms of movement utilization. star spin is nice for action while basically all platforming is easily done without or would be better without besides flip platforms
https://youtu.be/hgWjVs1-BZQ?t=281
cap jump is nice but needing an entire button combo feels unearned and other moves fall by the wayside again. there are 50 capture abilities and not one is used as a skillful natural extension of mayo's moveset and i only remember the onion and pokio coming close

>>543068813
I just love kicking enemies in the face and kicking up slopes desu.

>>543068813
>or would be better without
Something that used to bother me but I now like about 64 is that moves are velocity bound - incentivizes you to, for example, double jump or wall kick instead of always sideflipping. Sometimes limitations are key, that's why you can run out of water in Sunshine (imo not fast enough). The Galaxy should have had a bigger cooldown or require starbits or something, this way they could've easily designed spin-less segments

>>543071964
>The Galaxy
*Galaxy spin

>>543067086
I'm so glad my waifu can't be sexualized.

>>543068813
>star spin is nice for action
that's all normies want. look what they did to Tomb Raider

>>543072772
Anon, i hope you're not baiting the type of shit I see on /v/

>>543073052
I blame Loudfags.

>>543067086
I can't help the fact that Luigi is the cutest, sexiest character in all of video games!

>>543073404
Daisy…

>>543073536
faggot.

>>543074118
?

>that last thread
>gamecube hating /vr/ snoy janny had a melty again

>>543068813
As intended by Miyamoto-san.

>>543079341
>go a little bit fast and everything lines up perfectly
Yes since NES

>>543085473
>somewhere over the rainbow
nintendo needs to get sued

>>543085647
Nintendo has been sued. Lots.

>>542902023
Pretty sure they even made Whomp's Fortress easier.

>>543088548
Why are they saying this for years when sales contradict it

>>543088548
la creatura ameridas

>>543079341
Hating on him is trendy but Miyamoto is probably the main reason we ever got games with some challenge
>80s and 90s Nintendo
>Pikmin is the only new single player Nintendo IP since 2000 that can wreck your shit
>everything got way easier as he stepped into the background

Did the Pachinko level really IQ-gate people?
>oh there is scripted permanent momentum that pushes Mario to the right when he's close to the launch vector
>oh shocking, the game's main gimmick (FLUDD) is useful and lets you interrupt it because that's how it's programmed
>oh I should avoid pins because it makes it unpredictable
>oh there are inclines and I know since Mario 64 that belly sliding resets inputs
Sure there is a luck factor but if someone wants I complete it twice in a row right now and do some moves of your wish to prove it's a new video. Never looked up a guide for it.

>>543095278
Miyanoto lamented the babyfication of Mario. He wanted Mario to be an everyman, not a child in a plumber's body.

>less mentally ill waifu posting
>more gameplay discussion
/smbg/ is healing

>>543098078
Except FLUDD does nothing against the permanent momentum. You can't fight against it. It's a very poorly designed level. Of course you can complete it multiple times in a row, but that doesn't mean it's a good level.

>>543095278
>stepped into the background
he did the controls for breath of the wild, which i'm thankful for because they are very intelligently done and they unfuck the shitty new button layout all the remasters had (swinging sword where roll should be and vice versa)

something neat that took me a while is that you can even jump while running because the running animation ends after a delay

>>543098375
>Except FLUDD does nothing against the permanent momentum. You can't fight against it.
But you can. Momentum carries over into FLUDD and when you stop using it you are pretty much falling. With good timing you can even use it to stop the momentum from happening in the first place. But clearing the left side is doable even without FLUDD (probably the intended way but FLUDD makes it easier for me) and the right side doesn't have the momentum.
>It's a very poorly designed level
Works on my machine, but instead of being low-IQ I'm high-test so I enjoy reverse-engineering and tinkering with stuff.
>Of course you can complete it multiple times in a row, but that doesn't mean it's a good level.
It means it's not as random and crazy as IQ-gated people think.

>>543098078
Sounds fun, I want to see a Mario gameplay video. Do a ground pound into the shine at the end to confirm.

>>543104050
(or at least try to do a ground pound once somewhere after completed, since a pin might block you)

>>543100435
The way the pachinko machine works is that until you get to the middle of the pachinko there's no way to control moving right unless you ground pound onto something, and even then the machine still forces you to the right when you leave the ground again if you haven't reached the middle.
>It means it's not as random and crazy
Not everyone realises the mechanics of the pachinko which is where claims of randomness come from. It's definitely as crazy as people say it is because of the forced momentum which is what ruins the level. To see what I mean if you're doing it for someone else try to ground pound onto a pin on the left side during the initial launch and once you get on it start walking to the left.

>>543104050
Sure. Just came back, starting now.

>>543088548
>>543088853
>Vice
>TroonSky
>>543089026
*criatura

>>543117416
Even did two different methods which wasn't the deal, the first without using FLUDD to break momentum and the second with FLUDD. The second one I even managed to do in an unintended way because I fucked up and missed the blue cube (I'd recommend trying to float against it with FLUDD and belly-slide off it similar to what I did at 1:00).

Obviously it's a bit retarded but it's also unironically a fun oddity because how many things there are in Mario games you can't master almost instantly? Either way hardly a big chink in the game's armor.

>>543120450
only the ones at the bottom are tricky and you can reach both from the back.

Why do people never post Galaxy gameplay?

>>543120971
>Galaxy
>gameplay

>>543120450
>The second one I even managed to do in an unintended way because I fucked up and missed the blue cube
Might as well. That's the most reliable way for me from the few times I did this level. There is probably some idiot-proof strategy out there anyway.

>>543120971
Speaking of randomness, I actually think it's worse how Galaxy doesn't let you spin after jumping off an incline (even before sliding) because this spoils your experience in levels that are supposed to be good. It's the only reason people fail Twisty Trials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yQ7CiGBjI&t=74s

>>543120971
Because Galaxy gameplay isn't very good. It trades open fields and freedom on what you can do in favor for linearity and cinematic set-pieces.
Seriously, the Bowser fights in Galaxy aren't fun to play since it cares more about being cinematic than having good boss design.

>>543124916
I could have sworn this was in Banjo not Mario

Bowser has never had a truly good, engaging boss fight, and most 3D Marios shoot themselves in the foot by letting you fight Bowser multiple times throughout the game before the final boss... except his final fight is just a rehash of those earlier fights with extra steps.

>>543125839
64 was great the first time, it has some platforming with the falling segments, the rings and jumping over Bowser when he starts running and yeeting him was a cool mechanic.

I might misremember but I thought Odyssey Bowser was good and there is only one maybe two encounters

>>543125839
something i won't take away from galaxy is that it has good action and bosses. it's usefulness is inconsistent but you can btw counter bowser's star spin with yours

Does anyone have a full list of the music at Universal?
Apparently a Mario café has a Pinna Park remix

i give up, how does the snowman mission work in sm64

>>543124916
I always just stood on top of the penguin so this wouldn't happen.

>>543128196
Which Universal?

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Super-Mario-Galaxy-Movie-The-(2026)#tab=international
Mainland Chinabros…

>>543132991
Which one you mean?
If it's the one in Cold Cold Mountain, just ride down with the ball and stand behind the snowman's body until the ball hits it.
The ball is programmed to follow where you are.

If you mean Snowman's land, just stand behind the penguin so the big snowman doesn't blow you away.

>>543132991
You need to stay close to the snowball for it to follow you.

>>543132991
>snowball in CCM
There's a certain point on the slope right before the bottom that you have to pass through, and stand near the snowman to lead the snowball into it.
>big snowman in SML
Stand on top of the penguin instead of trying to hide behind it. You can also walljump from the igloo area to the platform that's after the penguin.

>>542961325
Racism is not tolerated here, pokefag.

The one thing I don't like about Mario 64 is the awkwardness in doing some of the stars. Namely the examples at the top of mind is the snowman mission in Cool Cool Mountain and getting the eels to move in Dire Dire Docks.

Imagine if Yoshi had feathers...

>>543158716
Winged Yoshi?

>>543159319
I mean, I guess, but I was referring to like how irl dinos had feathers (especially the bipedal smaller ones like Yoshi is)

What should Bowser's relationship with the Koopalings actually be legally or eternally and therefore Juniors relationship.
1. Actual kids of his who are less favored than Junior. Probably the least healthy
2. Often extended family members he's officially adopted or has custody of in some matter speaking.
3. One niece and six nephews of extended family members who are still around but they're using nepotism to get them close to Bowser for whatever reasons most likely their own benefit in the future.With Lemmy and Iggy being the actuals only siblings in the group because they're twins.
4. Probably the same species as Bowser who basically took over the parent's jobs but aren't really relation to him but he treat them like his children occasionally because of a bunch of kids under his authority.( I did not plan on making it that big)

>>543164778
3!

>>543165264
Okay why do you believe 3?

>>543164778
1. They're just better as Bowser's kids.

>>543164778

I put this to an AI machine I believe it's owned by Google and it gave me the following.

That’s a great and surprisingly deep fan question — it’s one that’s been debated for years in the Mario fandom. Let’s break down how fans tend to think about Bowser’s relationship with the Koopalings versus Bowser Jr., and then I’ll give a quick analysis of each of your four options based on both canon history and general fan sentiment.

Canon Overview (Official Nintendo Stance)

1988–1990 (Mario 3 & cartoons): The Koopalings were officially Bowser’s children. In manuals and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 cartoon, they’re called his “seven kids.”

Post–2009 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii onward): Nintendo clarified that Bowser Jr. is his only biological child, and the Koopalings are now described simply as his “trusted minions.”

Shigeru Miyamoto himself said (2012 interview) that the Koopalings are not Bowser’s children, just a boss group that works for him.

That’s canon. But fan interpretations vary widely — and that’s where your list comes in.

1. “Actual kids who are less favored than Junior”

Fan opinion:
This is popular with fans who like drama and character depth. They interpret Bowser Jr. as the “golden child” while the Koopalings are older, neglected siblings. It fits dark humor and even tragic headcanons (like “Bowser was a worse dad when he was younger”).

How fans view it:

Pros: Adds emotional storytelling potential. Explains differing personalities and loyalty levels.

Cons: Contradicts Nintendo’s modern stance. Also implies Bowser had eight kids with who?—something Nintendo avoids.

Popularity: High in fanfiction and art circles, low in “canon purist” circles.
Verdict: Fan-favorite in emotional headcanons, but “least healthy,” as you said.

1.3

>>543167657
2. “Officially adopted / under custody”

Fan opinion:
This middle-ground explanation is very popular among lore-respecting fans. It allows Bowser to treat them like his kids while respecting the canon where Jr. is his only biological child.

How fans view it:

Pros: Explains why they share his name and fight for him so loyally.

Cons: Leaves open the question of where their real parents are, though that ambiguity doesn’t bother most.

Popularity: Extremely common interpretation in modern fan communities.
Verdict: The most widely accepted “semi-canon” fan stance.

3. “Niece and nephews / extended family”

Fan opinion:
A fun but less common idea. Some fans like this to preserve a family dynamic while avoiding the direct “Bowser’s their dad” contradiction. Lemmy and Iggy as twins also fits some fan art and personality analysis.

How fans view it:

Pros: Keeps family ties without making Bowser an overbreeding monarch. Adds political flavor (Koopa family hierarchy).

Cons: Nintendo never hints at other relatives.

Popularity: Medium-low, but creative fans like it for world-building.
Verdict: Reasonable but not mainstream.

4. “Same species under his authority (no blood relation)”

Fan opinion:
This is technically the official stance now. They’re elite soldiers or generals Bowser personally mentors, maybe treating them like family in spirit.

How fans view it:

Pros: Fits official canon. Avoids weird family implications.

Cons: Some fans find it emotionally dull — they liked the old “Koopa family” angle.

Popularity: High among canon purists, lower among storytellers and fan artists.
Verdict: Canon-friendly, but emotionally flat.

>>543165745
Bowser's blue brother exists.

>>543167806
Summary of Fan Consensus
Option Fan Popularity Canon Accuracy Emotional Depth Typical Interpretation
1. Actual kids Fanfiction / emotional drama
2. Adopted Semi Balanced headcanon
3. Niece/nephews Semi Creative family politics
4. Unrelated minions Canon purist / official lore
Overall Analysis

Fans tend to split into two big camps:

Story-driven fans prefer Options 1 or 2 — they like the “found family” or “dysfunctional royal family” angle.

Canon followers prefer Option 4 — they respect Miyamoto’s word but may still headcanon Bowser as a father figure.

Option 2 (“adopted/guardianship”) has become a sort of peace treaty between the two sides — it makes sense, fits with games, and keeps that family dynamic alive.

Would you like me to summarize how different eras of Mario media (like the 1989 cartoons, Paper Mario, or modern spin-offs) treat their relationship? That often shapes why fans fall into different camps.

>>543167657
>This is popular with fans who like drama and character depth. They interpret Bowser Jr. as the “golden child” while the Koopalings are older, neglected siblings. It fits dark humor and even tragic headcanons (like “Bowser was a worse dad when he was younger”).
He's right, this sounds awesome

>>543168071
According to the AI there seems to be 4 more than interpretations of what exactly the coupons are to Bowser and Bowser Jr what do you think of the following?
Here are a few more common fan headcanons that circulate beyond the ones you listed:

5 “Royal Tutors / Guardians”

They’re not related but act as Jr.’s mentors, bodyguards, and teachers in different areas:

Ludwig – tactics & music

Roy – combat

Wendy – diplomacy & etiquette

Larry – stealth & reconnaissance

Iggy – technology

Lemmy – morale & entertainment

Morton – security / construction

Why fans like it: Explains why Bowser trusts them so much and how Jr. learns from them. It also fits Bowser Jr.’s Journey nicely.

6 “Royal Generals / Noble Houses”

Each Koopaling represents a minor noble house or province under Bowser’s rule.
He promotes their children to general status — hence their young age but high rank.

Why fans like it: Adds politics and structure to the Koopa Kingdom, makes Bowser feel like an actual king.
It’s one of the more worldbuilding-heavy headcanons.

7 “Clones / Genetic Creations”

Some fans (especially from the early 2000s era) proposed that the Koopalings were magically or scientifically created by Bowser — magical experiments or cloning gone wrong.
Jr. was the only “natural” son.

Why fans like it: Explains their varying designs and powers, and why Bowser treats them differently.
Why others don’t: It’s too dark/sci-fi for the tone of Mario.

8 “Retconned Siblings from Another Timeline”

A meta-fan explanation for why they were once his kids but aren’t now.
In this view, the Koopalings were Bowser’s children in an older timeline (classic games/cartoon), but post–Bowser Jr. they exist in a reimagined continuity as minions.
Why fans like it: Pays homage to both old and new canon.
Why others don’t: It’s basically a multiverse excuse — fun but not serious.

Stop spamming the general with AI slop.

>>543168714
Number six reminds me up the time of the 3 Kingdom China or Sangoku Japan or something Game of Thrones like. Quality could make a good Mario RPG story out of something like that or Bowser's Kingdom Rebellion thing. And honestly that's the only alternative idea from the floor I like the first one just seems confusing and weird number seven just feels a bit like nonsense to make them appear with no backstory and number eight just seems like Nintendo change their mind so we're doing this.

Which 3D Mario games would you use in a hypothetical 3D Mario Maker game?

>>543168958
>nooooo stop discussing things

>>543164778
4?

>>543175256
that isn't you discussing things, faggot

>>543180260
4.

>>543181742
Anon set up a springboard for people to bounce into discussion from. And it semi-worked. There were a couple replies.
But you'd rather nothing had been posted at all except for probably someone filling the void with "bump"

>>543182238
It was a giant flood dump of ai slop. The only reason it stopped because someone said something. You could easily have put all that into a pastebin too.
You attacking the general to shill ai isn't even truthful because posts like this existing >>543172428

>>543183235
Four posts is a giant flood, huh? News to me. But it's clear you think REALLY highly of yourself if you think it only stopped because you said something. It's pretty clear the fourth post was the last bit that came out of the AI. Anon was done, and not because of your whiny bitching, lol.

>>543183640
Not everyone who is against your Ai slop flood is the same person. Your ego is showing hard, idiot.

>>543183640
Anon, don't. This guy gets his panties in a twist any and every time someone so much as mutter "AI" and almost always manages to get someone to get into an off-topic back-and-forth with him for hours. Typical concern troll. Leave him be, you're doing more harm than good.

>>543183898
Okay samefag. Whatever you say.

>>543183904
Again not everyone who is against giant aislop posts is the same person. Samefag

honestly, people should post more ai stuff here, be it art or llm conversations just to piss him off more. it's funny. he acts like it personally slapped in him the face.

>p-people dislike my flooding ai prompts and told me to...stop?, i'll throw a tantrum
glad you shown your true colors, don't try to pretend you're righteous with ai spam again

Oh ho! Look whose big, hairy mug finally turned up!
Heh! Is that all you have to say?
Listen up, and listen good! It'd serve you well to hear this...
Do you know why I'm down here? Eh? Well, I'll tell ya... It's because a certain big shot was derelict of duty!
When I heard there was a banana bandit on the loose, I knew who to blame! Just had to suss out where he ran to hide... but my job wasn't done there. No, sir. See, the so-called "leader of the bunch" was away for a frolic in the mines!
You get what I'm sayin'? I had to leave our comfy island and be the hero...just because YOU weren't around! Phooey!
It should've been YOU riding Rambi all the way down here to avenge those stolen bananas! Not me!
What a rotten crook... I can't stand his wicked laugh! It's so annoying. Makes me hoppin' mad!
You're supposed to respect your elders, not cackle at them!
Anyway, I'm pooped. Lecturing is tiresome work.

>>543185884
stop spamming, cranky

>>543085647
A bunch of levels are named after songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUODdPpnxcA

I left all the comforts of our island to hop on Rambi and chase after the fiend behind these banana thefts...
Now I'm stuck diggin' after him too! And lemme tell ya...they make these levels too darn deep nowadays!
But I won't let a banana thief get away unpunished! I know exactly who done it, and someone has to stop him...
What am I talkin' about? Clean yer ears! I'm chasing down the bandit behind all of the banana burglaries!
I may be old, but I'm apparently never done doin' your job...
What a rotten crook... Always glaring with those wild eyes of his...
Nobody makes bug eyes at me! Nobody, y'hear?!
Anyway, I'm pooped. Lecturing is tiresome work.

Looks like an RV road trip won out in the end

Nintendo sure are proud of that Closer to You animation. It's been plastered on the front page of Nintendo Today since the video dropped.

>>543199102
Meanwhile I didn't know Charles Martinet was at Nintendo Live Tokyo until a segment of him bing bing wahooing was unceremoniously shoved into a recap vid for all of 5 seconds

>>543206667
It actually is crazy how quickly Nintendo turned their backs on him, even after all he did for them. Samantha Kelly, too. Just pulled the rug right out from under her even though she stated herself how she wanted to keep voicing Peach for as long as she could.

>>543206667
Speaking of him…
https://x.com/grantkirkhope/status/1979348615983497554

>>542902023
Fuck Galaxy.

>>543199102
The pikimin version is still exclusive to the app

>>543172428
Probably 64, Galaxy, 3D World, and Odyssey. Sunshine, I feel like you can just make a FLUDD powerup. Mario Builder already shows the great potential of 64 in the Maker format. Galaxy is unique, my main problem with it for a maker thing is that launch stars are probably unworkable so you'd probably use pipes to travel between planets. I also don't know if you could get many of the motion gimmicks in. 3D World's format makes it well suited to building levels. Odyssey has a lot of potential with Mario's moveset and captures.

>>543211313
>Just pulled the rug right out from under her even though she stated herself how she wanted to keep voicing Peach for as long as she could.
It's still baffling how there was barely any controversy for this since it's fucking Nintendo. I still remember when the news broke that Samantha lost her job and nobody here gave a shit. It was depressing.

>>543228769
It's hard to care about the no-names that voice Mario characters. Charles managed to make more of a name for himself but Nintendo never cared about their voice actors so why should we? It's probably a good thing Kelly was let go because she was replaced by actual voice actors that if Nintendo wants to, could give Peach a real voice in a game. It's what should have been done with Martinet's replacement instead of getting Afghani.

what the fuck is this
https://youtu.be/hBeatP49f94

>>543228769
>>543231269
There is also the fact that Peach's actress changed a couple of times already. No one else will ever get the same reaction Charles getting fired got and Nintendo knows it which is why they gave him the "brand ambassador" thing as a made up freebie position.

Also it's important to remember that none of these people are actually getting 'fired' in the traditional sense, Nintendo contacts them when they need work done for a project and it's all done as contractor stuff, so "Nintendo never told her she got replaced" is just how this works for literally any actor they replace, except Charles for obvious reasons.
>>543231269
I think the worst part about Afghani is that he isn't even trying to voice Mario as much as he is trying to do an impression of Martinet's Mario so he ends up feeling even more like a scab. Nintendo clearly isn't married to Mario sounding like Mickey Mouse since they let him sound completely different in the mass market movie so it's dumb to me they directed Afghani to be like this.

>>543194914
>The sequel to one of the best selling games in history sold better than the niche spin-off of Sonic
mysterious...

TV time!
>>543219793
>still
But I surprised they favored Arlo's franchise rather than the teaser trailer…AGAIN!
>>543220597
I remember the cape being in exclusively for the World style.

>>543194914
Crossworlds needed more than crossovers if they wanted to mimic even a fraction of Mario Kart's power.

>>543240557
Mariokids are a little mental so they think it's a win. There's a reason why they're the least liked part of the Mario fanbase.

I'm forever stuck on the Boss Blitz in 3D World.
How the fuck are you expected to beat all those bosses within the time limit on one checkpoint?
I get to the obese ink blob faggot clown and die at the last phase...

Miyamoto is just flat out admitting that films are outright better than games in every single way and you dumb motherfuckers are still falling for his "every mario is the same" bullshit when he hasn't been involved in game development for years

https://youtu.be/cL7q-tEJhP8
Vgh, such a great moveset.
Why can't Sakurai just give what fans really want?

>>543263651
ACdoug won

>>543194914
Grass is green, and we don't really give a shit.
Maybe post it on /sthg/ or /v/ or submit it to Pirat if you want to grift some free drama.

>>543265526
I hate these kinds of movesets where every move has to be a reference. Can't Mario just attack someone without it having to reference something?

>>543088548
EL OGRE DEL CONTINENTE OSCURO

>>543263651
But where's the teaser trailer?
>>543265719
Who?
>>543266443
*OGRO

>>543265526
because he's a hack

>>543263651
This doesn't say Movies are better, Miyamoto says they just run longer on average.
Also every Mario from the games is the same.

>>543263651
Bananza devs confirmed miyamoto helped with somethings during development.

>>543172428
The 3d games would still be in 2d format in a new mario maker right?

AI? I'm thinkin pretty based

>>543272134
If I had to guess, I would say he helped with the cinematography for the cutscenes.

>>543273134
Which AI?

>>543263651
Consider that the man originally intended to be a manga author. Is it really such a surprise that he's interested more in static forms of media?

>>543270510
ACfag "Armored Core fag" has been a staple shitposter in Zelda, Metroid, and Xenoblade threads for over ten years. Note that this is an old but still accurate infopic.

Mario?

>>543280037
Kodomomuke or shōnen?

>>543280986
What about the Movie part?
>>543288598
No, WALUIGI!

>>543263651
He's right

Soft, kissable lips...

Wario is absolute garbage in Smash Bros.
I hope everyone better than me dies from painful throat cancer.

idgi

>>543290310
Luigi big love

Does anybody have any idea what this game was supposed to be?

>>543298091
Big Marring.

>>543298091
Big Marring.

Legitimately asking what are the chances of Mario Galaxy 3 now that they relaunched one and two together and the upcoming movie?

>>543300747
35% chance, but I'm afraid that if Galaxy 3 were in the works they would have announced it in the direct.

>>543300747
Non-existent considering it wasn't announced in the direct.

>>543290310
>>543297197
Daisy…

>>543298091
Sauce?

>>543300747
0.

OH NONONONO PEACH AND LUIGIBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>543310284
I don't think anyone was cocky about those games.

>>543310284
Where's Super Mario RPG?

i wish the next Kirby game had level design and progression like the NSMB series
more secrets, new level elements, alternate progression routes via secret level exits, and subgames and ability museums in the place of toad houses
even kirby's floating trivializing platforming wouldn't be a problem, cause it'd be the player's choice to challenge themselves by not using it. plus, it was the same way in adventure

>>543263651
Update!
https://x.com/danielreen/status/1980058362029969753

>>543314402
>they reduced and rewrote his statement to have a different meaning
Typical jouranlism.

>>543314180
My problem with Kirby games is that they're all designed to be beginner friendly, so they're not really allowed to experiment outside of certain confines. Sure you have stuff like the Arena and other built in challenge modes, but you often have to slog through the base game to unlock any of them.

>>543315259
>My problem with Kirby games is that they're all designed to be beginner friendly, so they're not really allowed to experiment outside of certain confines.
experiment how, and what kind of confines is what i would ask
cause if you've played dreamland and adventure, you know even they get challenging as the game goes on, especially when they start starving you for healing items

It's bananas all the way down

The following characters need their own subseries, no one-offs, an actual subseries with their own cast and setting segregated away from Mario:
>Peach
>Bowser
>Waluigi
>Ashley
>Toad
>Diddy Kong

>>543320529
Why

>>543320529
based

>>543320662
Because the 90's was the peak of Mario.
>DKC
>Wario Land
>Yoshi's Island
>Diddy Kong Racing
>Banjo-Kazooie
>Conker's Pocket Tales
All those great games spawned from a single source and spawned whole series, franchises and characters that are still beloved to this day. In this era, we should have subseries galore doing different genres and gameplay experimentation but it's steadily stagnated since 2009.

>>543321469
Banjo and Conker did not spawn from Mario.
And Pocket Tales was not a great game.

>>543317313
?

>>543321703
DK>SMB>SML>WL
DK>DKC>DKR>BK
DK>DKC>DKR>CPT
DK spawned Mario, DK spawned DKC, which spawned DKR, which spawned Banjo and Conker. This isn't headcanon, this is going by release dates.

>>543321469
>>543322450
Kino.

>>543322450
You.. You actually believe that, don't you? You actually believe that Conker and Banjo were created for DKR and then given games of their own afterward. You really are that much of a retard?

>>543322808
>You actually believe that Conker and Banjo were created for DKR
I didn't say that. I said that they are technically the products of Donkey Kong by debuting in a game related to DK via Diddy Kong. Same way Pinky and the Brain is a spin-off of Animaniacs, though that scenario is different from Banjo/Conker. Even if their games were already in development, you cannot erase their connections to DK with Diddy Kong Racing, they debuted in that title. Same with Wario debuting in a Mario game.

>>543323127
That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. They were essentially guest characters, included as a way to introduce them before their own games came out. They are not products of Donkey Kong.

>>543323308
>They were essentially guest characters
Yet their games were not yet released.
>included as a way to introduce them before their own games came out
I'm not denying that either.
>They are not products of Donkey Kong.
The original game was another RC-PRO game, and then another title with different characters and finally a game that used Diddy Kong from Donkey Kong Country as top billing. Banjo and Conker are not Donkey Kong characters, but they are in that circle of related characters by association of their playable debuts in Diddy Kong Racing.

Get it now? Or am I talking to a brick wall?

>>543323779
The thing is now you're actually talking sense.

>>543324541
I was making sense in my first post, if you were too dense to get it, that's on you.

>>543324827
Oh, nope, seems we're right back to you making no sense. Guess I was too hopeful.
Banjo and Conker were not spawned of Donkey Kong. Fact.

>>543325265
I'm not doing this with you.

>>543325529
Wallow in ignorance and delusion, then.
Banjo's and Conker's games were going to happen whether they were included in DKR or not. That is the difference that separates them from Mario, Yoshi, and Wario, and Pinky & the Brain.

>>543320529
>>Peach
>>Toad
>>Diddy Kong
Already happened.
>>Ashley
Why not Mona?

>>543327431
One-offs, not a continuing series. You could argue DKRDS is just a remake instead of a full-on sequel, but Diddy Kong Pilot would have properly gave Diddy a subseries. Same with Captain Toad's game being ported twice. But I'll give you DKRDS.

>>543327859
But Peach got two.

>>543328690
Two one-offs, neither have yet to spawn a series.

>>542902023
Crazy how Sunshine is still the worst 3D game in the series by far despite all that

>>542902023
Wow, Galaxy is the shittiest 3d game.

Are we ready for Qo/v/?

>>543334643
Rosalina HAS to win, it's her Year.

>>542902023
Shiggy's recent comment about movies being forever while games are not because "new versions replace them" or also the existence of Alarmo made me realize 90 IQ people really are their target audience now, people who can't even download an MP3 and use it as their alarm sound without a dedicated app.

>>543330071
By what metric? Internret retardation? Sunshine has some of the best platforming and best exploration

SM64 > Sunshine > Odyssey > big power gap > Galaxy > big power gap > 2D Land > 3D Land

>>543335992
What about Pauline?
>>543336265
People still use clocks.

>>543336384
>SM64 > Sunshine > Odyssey > big power gap > Galaxy > big power gap > 2D Land > 3D Land
What is 2d land? 3d world? I enjoyed 3d land better than 3d world personally.

>>543338524
Yes 3D Land actually feels like a 3D SMB while 3D Land is just a simplified 3D Mario with levels designed for 4 player

>>543338524
Yes 3D Land actually feels like a 3D SMB while 3D World is just a simplified 3D Mario with levels designed for 4 player. I meant 3D Land > 3D World

>>543338843
Weird bait.

>>543338984
What's the bait? The typo?

>>543338843
Glad they somewhat redeemed Mario 3d world a bit with Bowser's fury.

sunshine was rushed out for summer in japan but it will always be top tier since it actually has a modicum of challenge and sense of frustration. even something like picrel and the punishment of having to get there again when you fail would give you reverse culture shock in the newer games.

>>543339280
Did they bring back a move or two that's missing from the main game? Like double/triple jump. I barely remember it but I remember Bowser showing up getting annoying

>>543339348
>even something like picrel and the punishment of having to get there again
It makes Dark Souls checkpoints look casual

>>543336861
I don't think she will get in but I will support most of the Mario reps

>>543339348
>but it will always be top tier since it actually has a modicum of challenge and sense of frustration
Every 3D Mario game has this.

>>543349676
maybe if you are 4

>>543350073
The difference between Sunshine and other 3D Mario games is that people don't like it because it's a glitchy mess. There's plenty of things in 3D Mario that are challenging and/or frustrating. Praising bad levels like the lilypad is just stupid.

>>543351239
>people don't like it
>appeal to popularity fallacy which isn't even true
where does your desperate hate for sunshine comes from? doesn't seem healthy
>Praising bad levels like the lilypad is just stupid.
what's bad about it except that you got filtered?

>>543336384
>best exploration
Soul.

>>543351791
i forgot flying in the wind with flowers was already before galaxy. is there even any good new idea the galaxy games had?

>>543351597
> which isn't even true
The only 3D game that gets ranked lower than Sunshine is 3D Land, which rarely even enters the conversation when talking about 3D games.
>what's bad about it
Terrible to control while relying on the FLUDD gimmick. It's a worse version of getting the blue coins in Corona Mountain.

>>543352989
>The only 3D game that gets ranked lower than Sunshine is 3D Land
according to reddit?
>>543352989
>Terrible to control while relying on the FLUDD gimmick.
controls perfectly with reliable physics, it's a much better version of the bubble blowing in galaxy which relies on an actual waggle gimmick. complaining about this level is the ultimate proof that you just got filtered

>>543351239
>There's plenty of things in 3D Mario that are challenging and/or frustrating
It's kinda hard for a platformer to be frustrating when everything is spelled out, falling down from a high place is hardly a thing and dying barely matters. Odyssey is more hubworld than levels and literally removed lives. Galaxy levels have checkpoints and are very linear and bitesized and you can jump back in immediately even if you ever see the Game Over screen. Nothing comparable to seeing the Game Over screen in Pianta Village or even failing a jump in Tick Tock Clock.

Galaxy 2 even somehow made Whomp's Fortress easier, so not sure how this is even a discussion.

>>543353189
>according to reddit?
It's the general consensus of the internet as proven by AIs choosing Sunshine without being led to it as the AI wouldn't be biased towards any particular game.
>controls perfectly with reliable physics
Controls awkwardly with unreliable physics.
The bubble in Galaxy is much better because you have much more control over the bubble whereas not much control over the lilypad.

>>543353628
>unironically "according to chatgpt" and some black youtuber
kek
>Controls awkwardly with unreliable physics.
no it doesn't. explain how

>>543353731
AI scans what people on the internet had to say, meaning objectively Sunshine is the least popular 3D Mario game (except from 3D Land which barely counts).
>no it doesn't. explain how
FLUDD has always controlled badly, so combine that with moving down a river while pushing a lilypad and it's no surprise why people prefer to use glitches to skip having to engage with the lilypad as much as possible.

>>543353320
>Nothing comparable to seeing the Game Over screen in Pianta Village
That doesn't matter when you can just jump right back in to Pianta Village. The only time that getting a game over really sucks in Sunshine is on the lilypad because of the terrible lead up to it. Even failing a jump in Tick Tock Clock will maybe set you back a minute, nothing to particularly fret over.
> so not sure how this is even a discussion.
Every 3D Mario has their difficulty spikes. Even a game like 3D World has that level where you need to light all of the torches to get the green stars, or any of the levels in World Crown.

>>543353887
le AI is a renowned liar and just shittier google and even if you were right appeal to popularity !=! quality
>FLUDD has always controlled badly
no? you look in the direction you want and shoot with snappy reliable controls and physics. this is the ultimate proof that you just got filtered by the game like probably most people who rank it low

>>543354224
>le AI is a renowned liar
Only google's AI hallucinates that badly. I've asked 3 different AIs, and they all say Sunshine.
>appeal to popularity !=! quality
Sunshine doesn't have the popularity because of it's quality. It's not some obscure game nobody played, with it being the Gamecube's 3D Mario and playable on Switch and soon to be Switch 2 as well as easily emulatable, people have given it a fair chance.
>You look in the direction you want and shoot with snappy reliable controls and physics.
I don't play Mario to shoot a crappy water gun. It controls badly, and the physics are extremely unreliable.

>>543354585
>Only google's AI hallucinates that badly. I've asked 3 different AIs, and they all say Sunshine.
appeal to baby audience that cries about challenge like you do it right now still !=! quality and being the worst 3d mario also wouldn't mean bad game
>>543354585
>it's not some obscure game nobody played
actually it only sold 5 million copies
>It controls badly, and the physics are extremely unreliable.
you can't explain how so you are clearly just a shitposter who got filtered

>>543354809
>appeal to baby audience that cries about challenge
Most challenge from Sunshine comes from it being a poorly designed game.
>actually it only sold 5 million copies
Selling close to 6 million copies is very good. Add in everyone who's emulated it and the 9 million copies sold of 3D All Stars that's over 15 million and probably close to 20 million. The second hand market was also bigger back then meaning that Sunshine would have been passed around between more people without it counting as a sale for Nintendo.
>you can't explain how
It's self evident how clunky it is.

>>543355328
>Most challenge from Sunshine comes from it being a poorly designed game.
disagree and you demonstrated that you call things badly designed because you are bad at them
>Selling close to 6 million copies is very good.
still less than the others so maybe don't bring up sales unless you are just addicted to losing arguments lol
>It's self evident how clunky it is.
anon, this ist he only point that matters here you can't be lazy like this. i don't care about your popularity nonsense or sales, explain how the controls and physics are bad in the level you are criticizing or else you are a retard who should never be taken seriously again

>>543354184
>nothing to particularly fret over.
You can say this about everything, the point is it objectively adds up faster in a game with fewer checkpoints and longer travel times after fucking up, especially when it's easier to fuck up in the first place.
>Game Over in this >>542902023 level in Galaxy 2
>just select it from the map again
>Game Over in Sunshine
>jump'n'run through hubworld to enter world (which can feel like an ordeeal in TTC's or Pianta Village's case)
>jump'n'run to the actual level

>>543355786
>you demonstrated that you call things badly designed because you are bad at them
According to your delusion.
>still less than the others
That doesn't matter. It's a Mario game, it sold very well so you can't claim that nobody played it.
>explain how the controls and physics are bad in the level you are criticizing
They're bad because the lilypad isn't as responsive as it should be. It feels like it's moving through honey when you're using FLUDD to adjust.

>>543355929
Realistically you never game over in a Mario game in the first place. But it sounds like you want the game to waste your time more which isn't a good thing.

>>543356193
>According to your delusion.
no according to the fact you call levels bad and can't explain why and have to move the goalposts to you simply not liking the water shooting gimmick
>That doesn't matter.
yes it does for your stupid point but your stupid point doesn't matter because i don't care what babies like more
>It feels like it's moving through honey when you're using FLUDD to adjust.
no it's moving through water, that's how water works

>>543356474
>have to move the goalposts to you simply not liking the water shooting gimmick
The level is based around the water shooting gimmick.
>yes it does
It doesn't, as every Mario game has sold millions. It's not like Sunshine only sold 50K copies.
>no it's moving through water,
It doesn't change that it's not responsive enough. It feels like you're moving through honey the whole time. Very badly designed.

>>543356815
>The level is based around the water shooting gimmick.
the whole game is but you cherrypick this level like there is something particularly wrong with it but you demonstrated that all that's wrong with it is that it's too hard for you. you literally can't into basic physics lol
>erm it doesn't matter if other games have 2-4 times as many people voting for them because they have 2-4 times as many people who played them
the strongest anti-sunshine soldier
>it's not responsive enough
because you need it to be easier and react immediately instead of having to predict its trajectory. you are a retarded shitter who can't into physics. don't forget to mention this every time you whine about the gamecube and sunshine in the future which is like your entire life

>>543357292
>the whole game is but you cherrypick this level like there is something particularly wrong with it
This level has the same problem as Corona Mountain. Terrible controls for moving things on water with bad physics.
>the strongest anti-sunshine soldier
Except people actively shit on Sunshine, it's not just met with indifference meaning that your narrative is wrong.
>because you need it to be easier and react immediately instead of having to predict its trajectory
Don't defend Sunshine's bad game design.
>which is like your entire life
Rich coming from you, the only thing you do in this thread is coming in to make potshots at Galaxy because it's more popular than Sunshine and you're too afraid to do so with other 3D Mario games.

>>543357632
>This level has the same problem as Corona Mountain.
that it filters shitters, yes
>>543357632
>Except people actively shit on Sunshine
and praise it and make more mods for it than for galaxy because its core gameplay is more engaging
>Don't defend Sunshine's bad game design.
nothing about it is bad game design, you literally say you want it to be easier and more predictable which is your only problem. water current is strong. ask chatgpt since you don't go outside
>Rich coming from you
don't pretend you know who i am just because everyone knows who you are. i make an effort not to browse 4chan more than twice a month

>>>543357632
see i always keep quoting you twice because i forget how this gay website works. what i do know is that every time i check there is a fat crybaby here who complains about the same things and always the same writing style and the same shameless lies and just very unbecoming overall

>>543357938
>that it filters shitters, yes
It revolves around a terribly designed mechanic.
>and praise it and make more mods for it than for galaxy
Sunshine needed more mods to fix the game.
>nothing about it is bad game design
You are delusional.
>don't pretend you know who i am
Pretending to be someone else now? Pathetic.

>>543358226
>It revolves around a terribly designed mechanic.
a game with a terrible core mechanic wouldn't get 92% from reviewers and astrobot just stole it and became goty. you are bad at this
>You are delusional.
you can't explain what's wrong with it in 20 posts

>>543358204
Uh huh, well now that you're sinking further into your delusions and pretending that you're a different person you should just fuck off already. You're meant to be a /vr/schizo, right? Go back to your shithole and kill yourself.

>>543358389
>/vr/schizo
that's you and you deny it lol

>>543358356
>a game with a terrible core mechanic wouldn't get 92% from reviewers
Using that logic it has the lowest rated user scores confirming it's trash.
You not being able to accept why it's a bad level means that no answer is acceptable to you. Now go back and stop shitting up this general for once. You love drama, so I imagine you'll move onto something else soon.

>>543358486
Can't you take any responsibility for yourself?

>>543358574
>Using that logic it has the lowest rated user scores confirming it's trash.
i uniornically trust professional reviewers from the 2000s era more on this one than the 4 year old baby audience who apparently needs assist mode in the galaxy remasters and apparently cries about difficulty under every sunshine video

>>543358757
>Trusting reviewers ever
Terrible mistake.

>>543358694
nigga you are here just to bitch about something you don't like, which btw. is
A MARIO GAME IN A MARIO GENERAL
and this infighting only ever comes up because of you shitting on mario 64 and sunshine which you did for an entire thread >>542199120

you are literally the biggest subhuman on 4chan lol

>>543358830
they were ok back then. people looking more to user reviewers only became a thing in the 2010s

Speaking of controls, it's pretty uncontroversial to say that Sunshine still feels the best. It feels like it was made by people who understood Mario 64 even on a tech level. The best example is forward sideflipping or how they made diving more of a jump. Odyssey feels like it was made by people who never played SM64.

>>543356367
>Realistically you never game over in a Mario game in the first place
That's easy to accomplish in 64 and Sunshine if you don't actively farm lives or if you try playing stylish and experiment (obviously hardly a thing in Galaxy with the tiny moveset and linear levels). And just dying or falling down is more frustrating due to aforementioned checkpoints.
>But it sounds like you want the game to waste your time more which isn't a good thing.
I mean dying should suck a little.

>>543358959
>you shitting on mario 64 and sunshine
You definitely are the same schizo then. Thanks for confirming. Like I said in that thread, I never shat on 64, and only the schizo tried to insist on this because he wanted to make it seem like I hated every Mario game.
Moreover this conversation started because you shat on every Mario game after Sunshine here >>543339348
So ESL-kun please just kill yourself already. I'm sick of looking at your brown ass with your broken English shitting on every Mario game after Sunshine.

>>543359259
I find it's kinda easy to hold onto lives in 3D Mario games but a part of that is because there's no more mandatory resetting of lives when you want to stop playing the game for a bit so it cushions you during harder sections, I will say that Galaxy makes lives extra worthless though since it's extremely easy to hold onto them there. No wonder why Odyssey got rid of lives.
>I mean dying should suck a little.
I guess, but walking back to the level isn't my idea of a good punishment versus just redoing the level. What I will agree on is that the checkpoints get a little too much sometimes.

>>543359348
no it started in the last thread with you insisting that mario 64 moves are useless to defend galaxy and multiple people called you out none of whom were me>>542894019. i entered the thread and just thought
>god, this guy again
you are obsessively hating on n64 and gamecube. no one obsessively hates on galaxy games, if anything then you are the sole reason if this becomes a thing lol and if n64 and gamecube are as hated as you say then how insecure and obsessed are you that still feel the need to constantly shit on them. doesn't this kinda give sunshine underdog status? but i assume your brain doesn't work like a normal human's

>>543360041
>no it started in the last thread with you insisting that mario 64 moves are useless to defend galaxy
I never actually said that. The dive has always been for fun. Can you stop pretending to be someone else now shitskin? You're derailing the thread.

>come back
>he replied again
kek that's why he hates sunshine because it's about having a life and going on vacation

>Pretending he has a life when he's been having a multiple thread long meltdown about every game after Sunshine
The pot calls the kettle black.

What the fuck, dude.

*removes your ballgag and chastity cage*
Ur free to speak now :)

>artificial drama
You guys really have nothing to do.
Not even /sthg/ schizos bother with dead ass boards like /vr/, the board that makes SEGA cope threads 24/7.

>>543369535
>GuyS
It's pretty blatantly one singular autist thinking that switching between upper case and lower case magically changes his typing style.
>You guys really have nothing to do.
It's almost like the newest game is a remaster of a game everyone in this thread already played and replayed multiple times and the only big ticket item we have coming up is another badly written Hollywood film.

Never realized this is the closest we ever got to cel shading mainline Mario

You dregs really done it now.

>>543371226
The accurate quote doesn't make him sound any less retarded than he did in the original badly translation though. He is still being absolutely retarded. "Yeah we decided to let a Hollywood shit out a generic kids movie because y'know Super Mario World became obsolete after Mario 64 came out" is just not a sane opinion and it reeks of him either being senile or trying so hard to shill the company's new ventures that he was unable to think of a proper way to hype them up.

>>543288756
I say Shiggy is Kodomo but leans to Shonen in a comic and action sense
Think of something like Digimon and Dragon Ball OG/Daima

>>543371961
He's right though. Nothing can replace the original Mario movie while 2D Mario doesn't have the same impact.

>>543265526
I know it's intentionally a shitpost moveset, but his back air and down air gimmicks are actually pretty neat.

>>543372387
Clearly it has some impact since they deem it valuable enough to keep reselling those games for generations across different collections or Virtual Console or NSO apps.
This is the same guy that just showed up on-stream presenting a commercial to shill remasters of Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 so there is absolutely no way he thinks old games are obsolete. He is either going senile or failed to improvise on the spot while shilling their museum.

>>543088548
>wanna watch Stranger Things to see if it's worth the hype
>don't have goyimflix

>>543373110
>doesn't know how to watch a show for free online
Damn, >>543336265 was right.

>>543374094
I had one but the joos at the MPA took down a site i relied on for free watches.

>>543357938
Don't care for 'improvements' or Sonic skins but Eclipse nailed some vibes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1uPAgx2-zk

>>543373094
Look at the Galaxy remasters, until they get a new version they're the defacto versions of Galaxy 1 and 2. Any problems they might have exclusive to them will end up affecting the perception of the originals because they're going to be the default versions now. Movies aren't quite like this. They might release a a directors cut or new remaster but you can always use your old DVD if you prefer it in the same thing that you can watch the newest versions. To play the old version of a game you have to dig out an old console. Games are made to be changed even after release.

Hey Paisanos, divegrass anon, sorry for being early, or late in this case, but VGL is happening soon so if you want to see us playing again please reply and maybe suggest new players / songs for the team.
I could see something like Loline or something about the fucked timeline being on the team, also we might need to rename K.Rool's in game name so i'm accepting suggestions for that as well.
Also should we do the poll this weekend or in the next one?
do you think we should add a newfag filter to the poll itself just like last time or would that not matter considering our general's speed?
Current roster: https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//smbg

>>543379217
Loline would be hard since there isn't a model avaliable for her while Timeline Autism would better be represented for Cranky Kong in my opinion but if you have a better idea for how to do this, let me know.
also i fucked up the link:
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//smbg/

Never liked the Galaxy games too much because they have too many sidescrolling segments. If I buy a 3D Mario I want 3D.

>>543381404
At least those usually disable the Z axis so you can't accidentally walk off the plane.

>>543374703
Wasn't the MPA founded by Catholics?>>543379217
>>543379768
I suggest adult Pauline.

>>542987467
>>543360231
>>543370640
I'm not him, schizo, nor am I a sonicfag. Never posted a webm of gameplay of Sunshine, Galaxy, or 64 up to this point. Anyone would call you a massive shitposter about 64 saying dive is a extra move disingenuously.

>>543385497
she is already in as "1up girl" but we could change it considering the recent events

>>543387179
What about Waluigi?

>>543387375
Already in as WAH, when it comes to VGL is better to use funny phrases instead of just character names, it should be obvious which character is in any of them. In fact a good enough phrase would lead to better looking models.

>>543388207
I think it's perfect.

>>543387145
NTA, but trying to continue that shit makes you a shitposter.

https://x.com/TeazuAllStars/status/1980030975271960977
https://x.com/PortalSMario/status/1980090325960974741

>>543371226
>Found the original article
>Read it
>He's literally just saying it's hard to keep an ongoing display of old hardware and software and using their movie/video productions efforts as an example of media that is easier to keep intact across the ages

What a bizarre nothingburger thing to become shitposting fuel

>>543410251
Penguin Mom when no haves milk.

>>543298091
>all these Directs announcing shitty ass Mario spinoffs and faggoty remasters
>no Big Marring (which Nintendo promised years ago)
Big Marring
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>>543412410
You realize Big Marring is a Mario game, right?

>>543412640
Your point?

>>543412827
My point being is this:
Big Marring

DEEEE
KAAAY!

I hate Pauline.

I love Pauline.

Elaborate about Big Marring.

>>542961325
I miss Masuda