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>Thread Question
What makes a CRPG replayable for you? Variety of classes, multiple endings, seeing other dolly smooching dialogues?

First for critical role

How would you make Aerie's romance less problematic?

>>543437526 (OP)
>TQ
>Variety of classes, multiple endings, seeing other dolly smooching dialogues?
These, but romance is really a distant second or third

apologize

>>543437643
Aeries romance is perfect and easily the best CRPG romance ever made, so there is no reason to change anything.

Do people like Octavia exist irl?

>>543437725
No he doesn't like turn based combat or fun

She's so cute...

After a little while I begin to miss you
It worries me that I could lose you
I need you to be close to me
To feel the warmth of your body
A teddy bear from Taiwan
A nutshell lost at sea
Softly like a fur rug
Delicious like milk caramel

>>543437526 (OP)
A CRPG is replayable when the base combat and encounter design is interesting. So, basically no CRPG since BG2, arguably DoS2, has been replayable at all since they all completely, utterly fail in this most crucial and basic of regards, which is not that surprising considering CRPGs have shifted away towards the mathematically driven combat they used to emphasize and have moved more towards being story driven adventure games rather than true RPGs.

>>543437873
>>543437862
why do autists become obsessed with the worst possible characters?

If ultima is so good why did they stop making ultima likes? Checkmate.

>>543437948
>Back in my day, we used to make real rpgs...
yawn

>>543437960
Elf lust

I like critical role. Would love to see them voice a crpg.

>>543437960
How is Yremeryss a bad character?

>>543437526 (OP)
>seeing other dolly smooching dialogues?
Seeing my favorite dolly smooching dialogue again, and again, and again. I almost never try other romances if i liked the one I chose the first time.
Combat and leveling need to be satisfying, story and characters need to be engaging

>>543438158
shes Marazhai sister for starters

>>543437960
Because it makes them feel unique and special to like a character no one else does. It's like the faggots who think playing some really old, obscure fighting game makes them cooler and better than the guys playing Tekken or SF, or the guy who thinks the indie band only he listens to means his taste is so unique and cool compared to other people who like the popular stuff. It gets really hilarious if by some happenstance the thing these people base their personality on gets actually popular, though, as they immediately abandon it rather than celebrating its success since they can only feel good about it if they're either the only ones or among a small minority engaging in or appreciating it. Absolute faggots, honestly.

Why is this guy talking about critical role?

>>543437960
She's far from worst. She's even better than some companions we got. I would have loved to see more of her.
No, I don't just want to fuck the dark elf chick, calm down. I genuinely wanted to see where her story could go

>>543438364
I don't know, but if he actually played CRPGs, he'd know they did.

>>543438158
What is her personality

>>543438352
Chill dude I just have a thing for weird chicks like Yremeryss, like Jack in ME and Verse from Tyranny

>>543438078
You're not going to believe this...

>>543438236
That makes her a bad person, not a bad character

>>543438078
>>543437725

Argenta should have been black and romanceable.

>>543438508
>[Attack] "I don't like you die!"

>>543438508
Hauty, hateful, overly amitious and cunning. Other than that we don't know because our interactions with her are very limited and she dies soon after

>>543438508
dumb bitch

the critical role fans will not accept that slander.

>>543438550
>I just have a thing for this WEIRD and QUIRKY thing I'm so UNIQUE AMIRITE
Faggot.

>See balding old men play theater of the mind
Lol
I much prefer stuff with maps online

>>543438748
I didn't say I'm unique
I just like that type

>>543438352
And conformists like you think that they are smarter than they actually are

>>543437080
>possible ally
Sounds good
>the other two retards' mom
This sounded insane at first glance but might actually work. You'd have to completely rewrite Yrlikek but she'd make more sense that way
>runaway autist deldar joins a craftworld but runs away from there too because she's an autist fuckup
>facetimes her brother to try to get info but fucks that up as well

>>543438352
I wish Cam was more popular so I could see more artworks of her.

>>543438925
You get wotr made by larian with infinite budget and mocap on everything but the highest difficulty is below core

>>543438912
>>runaway autist deldar joins a craftworld
Why would craftworlders give a precious soulstone to a murderhobo retard instead of having sex and giving it to someone who's potentially less retarded?

>>543438645
Argenta would cause 20 times the amount of shitposting that yirlet does if she was black. It would be seelahs mary sue black lady posting times 10
>kills theodora and is never punished
>even after you show her your warant of trade she still does stuff like destroy the robo dinosaur and never follows orders
>doesnt get tortured like everyone else in cumrag
>literally who scribe sister of battle gets chosen to inherit a sister saints items

>>543438912
>>runaway autist deldar joins a craftworld but runs away from there too because she's an autist fuckup
That would explain why all the other eldar seem to hate her and treat her as a pariah

>>543439221
>>doesnt get tortured like everyone else in cumrag
This parts really weird since I can see they were trying to do a more psychological torture with her as helping the Comissar was a bad idea but that never goes anywhere. I wonder if someone was against the idea of her being tortured. Everyone else had it bad.

Every post after this one will be a quality post that discusses an actual video game

Argenta is a well written character.

>>543438420
There should have been a choice between recruiting her or Marazhai
Pick or the other (or neither )

>>543437643
make her a man to cater to the all powerful fujo audience

>>543439221
I still feel Argenta should have been brutally raped in Commoragh and as I recall everyone agreed with me the last time we discussed it here, it would've really given much needed depth to her character and made her breakdown and confession much more impactful. Strange that Owlcat didn't do it.

>>543438912
Beautiful skull shape

>>543439119
It sounds stupid but has taken place according to the lore, rarely
They probably think it's doing Asuryan's will to redeem a deldar
>>543439272
Exactly, it would flesh out her character in a neat way rather than leaving it a loose end. And it would fit with her "go your own path" thing.

>>543439762
Rape as character development for a female character is too melodramatic and cliche. If you want that then watch literally any soap opera

>>543439221
Argetnta's whole popularity would have tanked. Argentafags don't care about her writing just her looks.

>>543439604
true but she really has nothing going on if you don't stop her from shooting idira. if you do then you get some kino scenes in cumrag later on but if you don't then really nobody cares that she shot theodora lol, even abelard barely gives a shit. idira is the only one that cared lol

>>543438912
Really fucked up skull shape

>>543439939
Yeah agreed. It's too easy
Better option is to have her be fighter in the arena, and actually pretty good at it. Then you meet her in the first fight and she is super happy to see you and joins your side.
The trauma would be her coping with the fact that she survived by agreeing to fight for the xenos' entertainment, and even killed some humans.

>>543440162
And the fact that she enjoyed it.

>>543439939
But the Dark Eldar would 100% rape her. And it's not like this is Argenta specific. In fact the Dark Eldar would've raped everyone, especially the Rogue Trader themselves, since they are rapacious rapists of the most ravenous sort. Owlcat shouldn't have shied away from showing that side of them.

>>543439221
Argenta should have actually BEEN Saint Argenta.
Lost for a thousand years, emerges from the warp to find a cult has grown up around her, but she knows the truth that she didn't do anything heroic at all. So her growth arc is coming to terms with this idealized version of herself that she can never match.

>>543439762
Are you one of the guys who made the game of thrones show?

>>543440325
If it happens casually and to everyone than there's no point showing it because there's nothing special about it

>>543440042
Me as the looks fag.
Though I wish she did fucking anything after 3rd act, she was basically a cardboard cutout once you got far enough in game

>rape rape rape
most retailers would refuse to sell a game with copious amounts of blatant rape in it guys

>>543440469
filtered

>>543440469
They don't care they just want their fetish in!

>>543440469
>most retailers
Steam would and that's the only storefront that matters

>>543440291
Yeah that's the key. She's always teetering on the edge of bloodlust.

It doesn't have to be raped, just make torment her with the idea that Emps abandoned her and she won't receive any help would be enough.

You troglodytes can just say that you don't understand where owlcat was going with argentas character because it was to complex for you instead of slandering her.

>>543440042
For me it's the voice. She has a mommy voice, made for breastfeeding rogue traders

>>543440325
>In fact the Dark Eldar would've raped everyone, especially the Rogue Trader themselves
Marzipan did

>>543440647
Could be a good segue into having a chaos worshpping argenta. Wait, that is non-canon. Completely insane argenta then

>>543440767
Where were they going. I don't know 40gay lore but Sisters seem very one note.

uh

I would like a crpg in a standard fantasy setting and instead of focusing on the worldbuilding a ton they focus on the interparty dynamics which can shift over time spent in the dungeons and have an effect on combat and stuff, like having a paladin and a fighter that butt heads and keep getting in eachothers way during combat or a thief favoring one party members above the others and giving that person the pick of the litter of the loot he nicks while the others get nadda

>>543440767
We understand where it was going just fine. The discussion is actually about the fact that it was done poorly, and how to improve it, you simpleton. Before accusing others of poor reading comprehension maybe you should check yours

>>543440767
>you don't understand where owlcat was going with argentas character
Neither did they lmao
>>543440746
>I can't feel Him anymore! His light cannot reach me in this place. What am I to do Rogue Trader?
[Kiss her]
[Hug Argenta]
[Tell her to stop whining]
[Tell her that the Emperor's light dwells eternally in the heart of every human]

>>543441119
>Anon found the skinwalker enemy

>>543441161
Here, you've missed one option
>[Attack] I don't like you! Die!

>>543440947
Yeah, like she feels cut adrift from her sense of right and wrong because she feels like she's in hell, away from the emperor. So you can help her through that or encourage it.

argenta is for converting idira from a blasphemer into a church going emperor faithful

Idira romance=makes sense
Argenta romance=does not make since

>>543441346
I pick that one

>>543440460
If it's no big deal and not special there shouldn't be any problem showing it, though, especially since it would reinforce showing the perfidious xenos as the vile scum that they are, and give the player more reasons to hate them, and show real, genuine torment and trauma being inflicted on your crew. For some reason sexual violence works much better at conveying that kind of thing to an audience, I guarantee that if your entire crew was raped absolutely 99% of players would kill Yrliet rather than just 90%. How many players would sympathize more with Cassia saying she'd rather die than have been raped when pushing for Yrliets execution VS the current scenario where she says she would've rather been killed than go through her horrendous torture?

For some reason stuff like having your organs boiled or being forced into sensory deprivation torture to the point you go insane or being embraced by a fucking Talos pain engine doesn't register to the average person, but you bring up sexual violence and suddenly they actually FEEL the pain and torment being inflicted on the character being portrayed. Which is pretty crazy since extreme physical torture is much worse than rape but yeah that's just how it is in entertainment mediums, which is they Dark Eldar should've raped your entire retinue, so it would actually get across to the player how fucking evil and disgusting they are. Especially imagine the reactions of players romancing Cassia only to discover her horrendous fate, god it would've been glorious to see the xenocidal rage that would've resulted. Real missed opportunity by Owlcat all around.

>>543441123
This wouldn't even need a very complex combat system. Just something like Darkest Dungeon.

But when does the "[Attack] I don't like you die!" Option shoebup? What fight/encounter is that

>>543441510
>waifufag wants his waifu to get raped
what did he mean by this

>>543441510
Nobody plays games to witness the greyness of mundainity. Go play the sims if that's what you want. If you just want rape, then say, that you want rape for your own fetish purposes, don't come up with inane walls of text to justify it.

>>543441510
>rather than just 90%
I seriously think you're overestimating how many people kill Yrliet. Most keep her alive right to the end.

>>543441470
>since

>>543441561
You've never played owlkek games? It's lamost literally in every dialogue

Romanceable Argenta, but only in Cumrag
She breaks it off once you gets back to realspace.
Like a travel fling.

>>543437873
Why are these faggots both standing on tiptoes?

>>543441561
All of them

>>543441789
It's 40K it's not some fairy tale fantasy happy land where fucked up shit doesn't happen. The Dark Eldar are incredibly evil and vile xenos and that absolutely extends to sexual depravity as well, Owlcat should've portrayed it in full so the players fully felt and appreciated how fucked up they are and why the Imperium is ultimately justified in its xenocidal policies. Players should've walked away from Commoragh with a seething, burning hatred of the Dark Eldar and everything about them, and I just feel like due to Owlcat pulling punches that just didn't happen, the entire segment didn't have the weight and gravitas it should have had since it was, at best, a PG-13 version of what would've occurred.

>>543442159
Cam is taller than human mrn

I don't think deldar dicks can get hard
It's always violence and torment with them, never a single mention of sexual violence anywhere in lore
And they mainly use cloning vats to reproduce.
>>543442228
>The Dark Eldar are incredibly evil and vile xenos and that absolutely extends to sexual depravity as well,
You'd think so but it's actually really noticeable how it's never mentioned ever
I think they can't get it up

>>543442236
Why are they both on tiptoes?????? Fanart drawn by a kissless virgin no doubt

>>543441957
I'm just going to keep her around to figure out how many ways I can kill her and keep count whenever I get around to playing my act 2 save

>>543442336
Wouldn't be surprised. Probably kek-or-ack's last joke

>>543442228
>It's 40K it's not some fairy tale fantasy happy land where fucked up shit doesn't happen
Why do 40chuds act like their fav series is the darkest most brutal work of fiction?

>>543442336
Yrliet's gonna be disappointed with Marazhai then

40k's setting includes uncountable peaceful feudal and agriworlds

>>543442569
Name a darker and more brutal fiction, then. The vast majority of fantasy and sci-fi is optimistic and upbeat by nature, it's one of the things that makes 40K stand out amongst its peers.

The way skald does ranger is fun, more people should copy that.

You didn't beat the game if you used a psyker *mic drop*

Rape as a dramatic device is 99.999% not justified and cheap and lazy and disgusting, but I guess this is going to be the theme of this thread

>>543442738
That's pretty easy when they have like a billion worlds total or whatever ridiculous number it is.

>>543442747
how many dollies do you own

>>543442903
6.97 billion.

>>543442747
Cyberpunk 2020

>>543442901
Avoiding the induction of rape or sexual violence in a setting or scenario that calls for it detracts from the quality of the overall work, and only is a problem because of an unwarranted fear of the portrayal of sexual aggression of ANY kind in modern fiction.

Farming simulator set on an 40k agriworld. Completely peaceful.

>>543442569
>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.

There he is...John Kingmaker...

Indians just want rape. Notice how they always want Argenta or now Cassia to get raped? What about Abelard or Jimmy?

>>543443060
That's not even close, though, the average dude in that setting still has creature comforts, a chance to rise up and do cool stuff no matter their background if they get the right break and the right connections, everyone is hot and sexy since everyone has body mods out the ass, I mean yeah it's still a doomed dystopia ruled over by heartless and greedy corporations, but I would much rather live as some guy even in Night City where I can get good food and maybe fight my way to wealth and power then be some Imperial citizen who is utterly, completely doomed and fucked no matter WHAT I do because of just basic quality of life concerns or the hundreds and hundreds of unstoppable xenos and Chaos threats that will utterly destroy me if they ahppen to get near me. Oh and if I survive that hell my own dudes will kill me for having seen too much. Yeah fuck that, I'd much rather live in a Cyberpunk world than in 40K.

They should have updated jaes portrait by now

Playing DAO and man is Morrigan kind of a massive bitch to everyone. I guess playing when it first came out I was blinded by my lust for swamp witch titties. Still the best romance in the series (Veilguard isn't canon) but she was rough in Origins.

>>543443452
I want to be raped by amiri

>>543443526
Shadowrun
Monsters from the realm of magic are always on the verge of breaking through.

My predictions for dark heresy:
At least 1/3 of abilities wouldn't work at launch.
A stupid minigame that won't work
Combat based upon stacking 564646546841351856746564646834368 debuffs and 65463543684631 buffs to get 4613654545186764 attributes so I can deal 5643646531685343516156 damage against a enemy with 75161515536468346534685441634685468748946541856468 hp.
If you don't stack 365483964863748943 buffs and debuffs, any common enemy can survive 54465053 shots of bolter in the face.
Stacking 4645456 extra turns so endless buff stacking is easier.
Zero cool psyker powers and those who will be in the game will be 4e tier bad powers(like domination that can't dominate people in RT)
All powerful weapons like Bolters and Plasma guns will be anemic as lasguns,
Leveling up will be a shore and not fun and rewarding.
The last 1/3 of the game will be borderline unplayeble mess till two years after the second DLC release

>>543443452
Being raped would actually have been far less painful than what Heinrix and Abelard actually go through. It still baffles me how people just ignore the level of torture those two specifically go through and just shrug it off. I genuinely cannot imagine ever forgiving the Dark Eldar or Yrliet, for that matter, on those grounds alone. Quite frankly if it wasn't a fictional universe there's no way Heinrix would've survived what he went through with his mind intact, what he goes through is one of the most extreme tortures I've ever seen conceived in fiction or in reality. And Abelard got embraced by a Talos pain engine, no wonder his mind is shattered for the rest of his life. And yet somehow this gets to people far less and doesn't register nearly as much as Cassia getting tag teamed by Nocturne and Marazhai would. Bizarre stuff.

>>543443683
She looks fine. She's a swarthy con artist larping as some exotic princess.

>>543443726
You know she was modeled after Viconia?

>>543443858
Yeah, on the verge, whereas in 40K they're just fucking there and everything is hell. Honestly Shadowrun seems like a cool place to be, having what is basically the modern world but with cool magic on top of it sounds most excellent.

I'd prefer to get raped by idira, she could rape me both physically and mentally thanks to her powers. Jae could join in to since she likes to get freaky.

>>543443906
>what he goes through is one of the most extreme tortures I've ever seen conceived in fiction or in reality.
briefly walk me through it as someone who hasn't played RT

We'll rule the stars themselves!

>>543443906
i mean kibellah got it pretty bad too

>>543444159
His organs are boiled into cinders while they forcibly use his psyker powers to regrow them while they are burning. They also simultaneously fry all of his nerve endings at the same time to cause even more pain. Heinrix tells you that even with his Biomancy powers, he may never be able to fully restore himself to what he once was, the damage is so severe and extensive. But hey at least he didn't get a dick shoved in him?

>>543443218
>because of an unwarranted fear of the portrayal of sexual aggression of ANY kind in modern fiction
Being subjected to sexual aggression is too common.
As a parallel I have stopped liking games and mods with gory decapitations and other violence after watching drone kills videos. Violence and dismemberment is not a funny cartoony thing in my head anymore, now it makes me legit uncomfy.

>>543443993
yeah but viconia was raped, murdered and buried under an outhouse by the coward swen vincke so we don't talk about her

Has there ever been a /crpgg/ thread without schizophrenia and cuckoldry?

>>543444441
No, she didn't. Look man, it's absolute bullshit that psychological torture is comparable to physical torture. Heinrix went through by far the most torture in Commoragh and the closest comparison would be Abelard who also suffered physical agony to the point where his mind actually broke down. Kibellahs torture is fucked, but it's a mental and emotional torture and honestly no sane person wouldn't take that over having their organs boiled and nerve endings fried to a crisp.

>>543444460
>>543444626
I want you to get raped

>>543444460
Sure but it's so surreal that it loses all meaning
Didn't stop him fucking the shit out of the femcel RT ten minutes later anyway

>>543444568
maybe i'm too jaded but drone videos did nothing to me, hell they're practically bloodless compared to shotgun suicides, decapitations etc. certainly didn't remove my joy from exploding enemies into giblets in video games.

>>543444441
No she didn't lmao
She got bullied a little
Even Yrliet had a rougher time
The only person who had it easier than Kibellah is Idira. She just had to move some boxes around.

>>543444626
>it's absolute bullshit that psychological torture is comparable to physical torture
there are physical limitations to the amount of pain one can experience, even if that capacity is expanded by space magic. the potential for mental suffering is infinite.
and of course in 40k eternal soul torture in a timeless realm is possible and every single eldar will experience it some day.

>>543444897
>She just had to move some boxes around.
She had a maximum dampener on her, canonically that feels like your soul is getting molested 24/7

>>543442130
Deal if she gets knocked up from it

Do people here mostly play RPGs for the rollplay (crunch/character building), or the roleplay.

>>543444460
If he can coherently tell you about it, how bad could it have been? Maybe he needs to stop being a little bitch.

>>543445286
Roleplay usually

>>543445286
roleplay, stories, characters mostly
there are a few games that have gotten me into buildcraft like wrath of the righteous but it's not common

>>543445286
Roleplay though I have a soft spot for making damage reduction or unarmed crit builds because it's funny

>>543445286
Rollplay. For instance, most of the WotR posts I've seen completely disregard any RP. They make build and story choices based purely off of stat optimization. It's why everyone and their mom monkdips and is a complete schizo when it comes to picking roleplay options.

>>543445531
what if i roleplay as a schizo

3.5/PF is for rollplay autists
5E is for both rollplay and roleplay

>>543445286
I lie the make a good build around a specific character concept. So both.

>>543445670
>lie the
This is what I get for phoneposting

You know internal organs don't usually have any nerve endings
So if Heinrix had his spleen boiled or whatever it wouldn't feel like anything

>>543445605
5e is total shit for rollplay because every class feels the same

Abelard=alpha male
henrix=beta male

>>543445080
She described it as feeling kinda flat and dull so I don't know about your (((canon))) but that's what she said it was like
It's a metaphor for an undiagnosed schizophrenic being put on benzos, btw (inappropriate medication for schizophrenia)

>>543445501
Class is just a list of perks and stats. It has no bearing on roleplay, at least in Wrath. Most of us understand that picking monk or paladin doesn't mean that your character has to mentally be a monk or paladin. It's just a gameplay abstraction. So yeah, get as schizo as you want with your dips, what defines your character in the narrative is the roleplay choices he makes in dialogue and through quests.

>>543446006
Abelard = many sons and daughters who admire him
Heinrix = no family

Why does owlcrap insist on putting some stupid minigame in their actual game? surely they would have heard from feedback that it was one of the least liked parts of Kingmaker or WotR?

>>543445080
She didn't seem unhappy
>Oh hi Lord Captain! I work for Mister Tervantias now
>Like a secretary!
It really took some persuading to convince her that she's having a bad time

>>543446296
I enjoyed kingdom management

>>543446296
Puzzle CHAD does half the coding and he wants there to be puzzles in minigames in every owlcat game.

>>543446218
abelard also informs us that parrying an anti-reality hypermatter 14-dimensional ultra beam attack from a c'tan is nothing compared to naval service

>>543446374
We’re in the midst of a literacy crisis

>>543446374
She was literally brainwashed speedreader, that's why you had to convince her to come with you in the first place.

>>543446394
I've seen worse battles than this in my time!

What's Ember's mental illness called? PTSD or something else?

>>543445080
I mean she doesn't seem unhappy
The thing on her head is described more like slowly draining her, not constant agonizing molestation.

>>543446539
>She was literally brainwashed
That's never described. You can imagine that if you want.
She says she thought you were dead, so she decided to make a fresh start as best she could.

>>543446973
It’s pretty much meant to be a lobotomy

>>543446218
I will give him a new family

>>543446110
To be honest, I never liked the build autism of Wrath. I don't like having to make excel sheets and keep notes to see which feats, spells, and abilities synergize properly. I don't like how most feats/classes are basically trash. I don't like having to cast 20+ buffs for every trash encounter through the mid to endgame. I don't like having to keep up with the bugs and figure out which descriptors are lying to me, or which feats will cancel each other out. I can understand the appeal for some people, but it's not for me. The old Bioware RPGs, like BG, ID, and NWN are around the level of complexity I like in my CRPGs when it comes to character building. Whenever I admit this, I get a ton of people telling me to go play COD, as if the only choice is between RPGs like Wrath or braindead shooters.

>>543447183
Your mindset is not unusual. The autists cling to their build autism because it's the only thing Pathfinder does well, even though the Owlcat games are suffering from bloat and many noob traps because of that.

>>543447183
If you read what the spells do you’d probably realize that you don’t have to cast 20+ buffs

>>543447125
What, in the "lore"?
Nothing there makes her seem lobotomized or brainwashed. It's damaging her but slowly, she looks sickly.
It's described here as like being on SSRIs, which the writers no doubt are familiar with.

>>543447830
No, in how it’s depicted across her whole arc.

See? She's not "brainwashed" or whatever. She's trying to make the best of things.

Smash TV: The CRPG

Jackass: The RTwP crpg

Are there any crpgs where the massive implications of stuff like teleportation, resurrection, mind-control and scrying magic are actually acknowledged as part of the setting and aren't just relegated to plot devices and gameplay mechanics?

>>543446575
That's the defiler's dick btw

>show a character being neutered and allowing herself to waste away to escape her condition
>wow she’s so happy now and living her life you go girl :)

>>543448257
No, play tabletop or keep buying CRPGs to encourage the genre.

>>543447505
The enemy has dozens of skills and there is usually an ability to counter it (like Delay Poison shuts down any enemy that uses stinking cloud, which is a godsend in the early game), but keeping it all straight is a bit of a nightmare. You'd have to read the descriptions of both your spells and the enemy's (and these are typically filled with fluff and/or wordy or even wrong) then remember that this can counter this, even if it intuitively it should not work, or that this does not counter that, even though intuitively it should.

>>543448521
What's the matter, timmy? Do you not like reading verbose descriptions?

armchair psychologist writes a novel diagnosing a character with a condition he doesn’t understand based on speedreading is my least favorite new genre of /crpg/ post

Idira is clearly a last minute dei companion, reminder if you put the demon host inside her she just gets a few lines then it isnt brought up until the end of the game there is zero gameplay or dialog changes. They could have atleast made an easy fuck like jostica.

>>543447183
>I don't like having to make excel sheets
I started as custom lower-than-Normal on Kingmaker and my last playthrough was a custom (not munchkin) group on Hard

I have never even come close to needing to make a spreadsheet or even take notes.

>having to cast 20+ buffs for every trash encounter
Also not a thing

>having to keep up with the bugs
Haven't seen a single one, but I didn't play either for months after release.

>the rest of your post
I sense some projected insecurity. I doubt anyone's actually told you to go play COD. It might just be that you don't like how the difficulty scales for your personal playstyle, but also don't want to be called "Normal" (which it sounds like you should be playing at, and there's nothing wrong with that.)

>>543448663
I actually don't. It's fine in moderation, but spending an hour on the level up screen reading through all of it saps my energy and is not all that fun.

>>543448521
Your pic is unrelated to what you're saying, you are using a previously posted (maybe by yourself) image that's some fluff about a class description.

It's really way less complicated than you're making it out to be, and typically just pans out to something like: Pay attention to AC and Touch AC. Pay attention to Will/Reflex/Fortitude.

Like really, that's 80% of it and easily enough to get you comfortably through on Core.

>>543449057
I recommend custom difficulty, because the jump from normal to core is steep. Normal is too easy, enough so that you could run Owlcat's horrible auto level-up, which picks feats that your class literally cannot use to troll you, and still walk over every encounter.

>>543448521
You’d maybe have a point if you weren’t fighting mostly the same type of enemies through the whole campaign.

The watcher is a metaphor for schizophrenia.

The enemy spawner in my game was bugged out, which was *fun.* Imagine being a level 3 party and coming across this all over the place.

The watcher is just sawyer ripping off the wheel of time but worse.

>>543449638
This. Wrath is braindead. People are just dumber nowadays and want instant gratification. Actually sitting down and reading the encyclopedia and its easy even on unfair difficulty. Unironically if you think Wrath is too much you shouldn't be playing CRPGs. Call of Duty is probably more your speed.

>>543449371
Custom difficulty is perfect, a whole page of settings you can adjust to make your playing experience perfect for the kind of way you want to play.

Core-ish with respec'ing companions into interesting/ridiculous classes (because mercs are boring) for experimenting with synergy can be really fun

I sincerely believe that a lot of WotR's legacy in that regard comes from the fact that they didn't name Core "THIS SHIT IS NOT FOR BABIES", like Pillars with PotD or many other examples.

any comfy crpgs that are not too long like 10-20 hours max, need to take my mind off things

Really, imagine:

>Call Normal 'Core'
>Call Core 'AbYsSaL aNnIhILaToR'
>whatever names for above that, Legacy of Aroden, etc

Maybe have something below 'Core' (normal as we know it) like 'Regular'
It's all dumb psychology about retard gaymers

>>543450337
Skald

>>543450337
Tyranny

>>543450337
Wrong genre. If you can't find a videogame that fits, try reading a book, I'd suggest Discworld for what you've said (you can pick any, there's no real sequence to them)

>>543450482
Core doesn't even use the "core" ruleset. All the stats are grossly inflated. I don't know why they call it "core."

>All the stats are grossly inflated. I don't know why they call it "core."
Its called adapting a system to a video game you mouth breathing heathen.

>>543450337
Shadowrun Hong Kong

>>543450682
>I'd suggest Discworld for what you've said (you can pick any, there's no real sequence to them)
Not him but stick with the older ones, published in the 20th century.

>>543450337
Nice easy reads to take your mind off things:
Italo Calvino's Invisible Cities, Richard Brautigan, Discworld books like anon said, if you like that Hitchhiker's Guide style levity. Also Hitchhiker's Guide, obviously.

You could also check out some CYOA books and report to the thread on how they went. Someone keeps posting a Lone Wolf cover that makes me want to revisit also considering making a phone audio adaptation while I'm unemployed maybe with saves even, I have some ideas

>>543449041
Anyone not on the cover art is an afterthought

>>543451248
They just hate cRPGs. They should be shunned and kicked out of this general like the BG3 babbies. WotR is the ultimate litmus test for a true RPG aficionado and a Babbies Gate shitter. The 130 AC enemies are a skill and build check. If you know the systems in and out, 200 AC is no problem to hit.

>>543451267
I don't really see HK as 10-20 hours, but I'm also kind of slow and talk to everybody about all their things. I can't really imagine playing the game in 10 hours though, at least with how I play it, which often feels more like reading a book (I enjoy this though, and after a palette-cleanser am probably looking at Tides of Numenara)

Which has better build autism underrail or WOTR?

>>543451954
>palette
*palate

>>543450337
Fallout 1, without irony
It's short and to the point.

>>543452049
Underrail is just build autism

>>543452049
Underrail is basically a wiki game so I’d say Wrath.

>>543447183
I think one of the disconnects here is that WOTR is very complex in terms of how to build your character, but extremely shallow when it comes to tactics. Positioning, target priority, timing, etc. are basically irrelevant in WOTR. The only tactic you may need is funneling enemies into a doorway. Otherwise, the game is just about building your character in a way to optimally stack modifiers. You get your 180ac character with 15 attacks a round, crazy accuracy buffs, and multiple damage riders, and they chunk everything.

Rogue Trader, on the other hand, is extremely simple on the build front, but has slightly more depth in the tactics. Cover, explosive objects, traps that affect enemies, strategic zones, and manipulating the turn order all add a bit more depth. It's still not much, but there's more focus on combat tactics than WOTR, which basically has none. The fights feel more impactful as well because there are far less trash mobs everywhere.

So I can see why some people aren't that enthusiastic about WOTR.

>pathfinder
This is a dnd general. We are playing solasta 2, the temple of elemental evil re-release and secret of the weepstone.

>>543448852
Argenta is a classic case of ADHD. She shows all the signs
>I'm restless!
is even one of her barks

>>543451856
Nobody actually thinks that, you're exaggerating, and hopefully I've given you the attention that you crave with this engagement.

>>543452158
You've explained why TB > RTWP slop, good job

>>543452049
Does underrail really have build autism though?
it's a bit "meta or get lucky"

>>543452158
I've used "tactics" in the sense of vanishing someone who's down so they can stand without proc'ing AoO, deciding which abilities to damage in order to reduce certain defenses, ...
I agree there isn't enough positioning, though. Through the Ashes had some promise, but Lord of Nothing and RT were a let-down though.

>180ac, 15 attacks a round
Ahh, I see, you're just being retarded.

>>543452598
He's exaggerating, but I've gotten my dudes up to 110 AC and 12 attacks per round. It's totally doable.

>>543452796
did he go back to the elf again?

>>543452736
doable but not necessary at all, unless you choose to play on meme difficulties maybe

>>543452703
I accept your concession.

Underestimated is perfectly playable blind if you just read all the feats in character creation. Age of decadence now THAT is a game you need a wiki for.

Is Lightning Arc the only worthwhile staff ability?

Banquet for Fools
Swordhaven
Solasta 2

>>543452834
Looks like. I think it's for the best, the Argenta thing wasn't working

The Outer Worlds 2
ME4
VTMB2

>>543453016
There's the one that gives a guaranteed crit for the next attack by anyone. That's pretty good early on. I think there's one like that in the Act 1 prison.

>>543453016
Sanctic staff

I was turned off by the total ass of AoD combat tutorial. Seen significantly better shit on /agdg/. Maybe the actual game is better but noped out.

Got about 20 hours into Underrail before the slav ESL writing booted me.
Didn't seem like there was anything particularly interesting about the builds but I don't remember, didn't leave a strong impression.

Idira smoking weed feels out of character. Since she is a schizo she would be a pcp or crack person.

>>543453492
Thanks for the insight, junkie

is myetro, yes? oonique settings
is under ground, apolyptic

My life is pretty much underrail irl.

if you ask me, humans are the real demons

You unironically need to read and understand Crime and Punishment before you can pretend to understand Owlcat writing.

>owlcat makes there whole game developers resources thing
>they list Bob Martin and Jason Schreier as two of their biggest inspirations
Well that explains alot.

>>543453974
Just because they were required to read that in russian high school doenst mean it was one of there biggest inspirations.

>>543452897
>doable but not necessary at all, unless you choose to play on meme difficulties maybe
bro where do you think you are? 80% of the wotr players on here are playing on unfair.

>>543453974
Owlcatfag cannot read

>>543443906
>Abelard got embraced by a Talos pain engine, no wonder his mind is shattered for the rest of his life.
Why does this particular headcanon keep doing the rounds
In extreme old age, he would sometimes have conversations with someone who wasn't there (his dead wife)
That's not unusual for a very old person.

>>543454231
cool enough to pirate

>>543443885
>If you don't stack 365483964863748943 buffs and debuffs, any common enemy can survive 54465053 shots of bolter in the face.
There was no buff stacking in RT

>>543443885
This nignog didn’t even play the game.

>>543454546
>>543454629
>officers inflating someones characteristics every time they issue a command doesnt count
>half of the psyker abilities in the game doesnt count
>all these ability thats say when you do xyz you get this bonus doesnt count
Owlcat fags minds have been fried from stat bloat.

>>543454304
>80% of the wotr players on here are playing on unfair.
I feel bad for them, it's not a very fun way to play. Though I don't think this is true.

>>543454879
Stat bloat is one thing, buffspam is another.
You build each character to independently buff their own stats to high heaven just by existing. You don't need to sit there and do it for them each fight, and you don't need the officer to giver extra turns or buffs, that's just an extra thing you can do if you want.

Just take Yrlikek, Argenta, and Idira to Cumrag and no one else. That way no one has a bad time.
You will never be underpowered if you recruit everyone you meet as you can.

>retards immediately look to builds because they've been told they have to
>builds make them think the game needs to be played using other peoples' builds
>has spoiled major parts of the game for themself by following these """builds"""
>creates opinions about the game on these completely insane foundations

Everything is clear to me now.

>>543454972
>officers inflating someones characteristics every time they issue a command doesnt count

>>543455109
That blind azlanti dude was really the best player, though he eventually settled on using some kind of reasonable save system, but I think dropped it anyhow.

TQ for next thread: What's the best kind of "ironman" mode for CRPGs?

>op meta builds
Aaah yes such high iq meta faging such as, just picking officer during the character selection screen.

>>543455281
I dislike having 1 save in a crpg desu

>>543455253
It doesn't count because it's unnecessary and by itself won't win the fight for you
the gameplay is about building each character so their talents feed back and give unreasonable damage, all without any input from an officer.

>stat inflation so you can one-shot everything is actually good
This is how a owlcat fag unironically thinks btw

I wish you could turn Yrliet into your cumrag

>>543455516
> and by itself won't win the fight for you
Are you legitimately trying to argue that inflating some characters stats to ten gazillion on the first round doesnt just auto win you the fight?

>>543447183
Biggest noobtrap I can think of is armor. Armor is absolutely trash, especially in late game, because you can boost dexterity so high and mage armor is so much better. It's not intuitive, because you'd think full plate would be the best defensive option, but that's just how Pathfinder and 2E DnD worked. They thought that full plate was like pic related.

>>543455606
I didn't say it was good, but it's not buffspam. So this
>Combat based upon stacking 564646546841351856746564646834368 debuffs and 65463543684631 buffs to get 4613654545186764 attributes so I can deal 5643646531685343516156 damage against a enemy with 75161515536468346534685441634685468748946541856468 hp.
>If you don't stack 365483964863748943 buffs and debuffs, any common enemy can survive 54465053 shots of bolter in the face.
>Stacking 4645456 extra turns so endless buff stacking is easier.
is shit

>>543455425
There's possibilities. This is a genre still being iterated on. Videogames themselves, are still a quite new medium, still defining itself.

I found Jagged Alliance 3's "ironman" system to work pretty well. You could make saves, but things would be overwritten by Enter combat, Exit combat, Enter Sector, Exit Sector. And I turned off saves during combat.
This worked out nicely because I could make some really stupid mistakes, or suffer a bit of misclicking or dumbass pathfinding, but also things were Fucking Over if I jumped in face-first to something I was grossly unprepared for.

BG3's option of "continuing but losing Honour Mode" was decent as well.
Lots of possibilities, the medium is still being defined, even though it might seem "ancient" to those who have never not known internet.

>>543455739
The stats are inflated because of your build, not because of "buffspamming 1 billion times"

Owlcat would be great at doing a westernized version of jrpg combat.

>>543455667
If you choose the
>No! Yrliet is mine *grab her*
option in cumrag, she's like "I guess I'm this mon'keigh's pet after all" which implies you get to use her holes as you wish offscreen
She doesn't really mind because you still get the "yrliet stayed with you for fifty years helping you" ending

Owlcat should make a tyranny rip off but turn based.

How much longer until owlcat makes their ultima clone?

>>543454231
reminds me of Dark Crystal

Did owlcat cancel there orginal IP? They have released zero updates on it.

>>543456515
Too busy burning money on The Expense

>swarm has one (1) bird/rat left in it
>still does full damage
>crits my characters
>kills two of them (one wasn't even standing on it)

Animals on Golarion are hardcore.

>>543455080
You get hit chance for less damage, its crazy good for evasive enemies.

how come iomadae can just smite your ass with no repercussion

>>543456603
>"I'll just stand here in this swarm instead of moving away"
>eyes pecked out
>how could this happen to me

But I agree, their attack/damage should go down as the lose numbers. But in a sense, going that route, shouldn't they become more difficult to hit as well?
I haven't played tabletop PF, but that's how I'd house-rule it

Larian=LeBron James
Obsidian=Michael Jordan
Owlcat=Kobe

>>543456982
It's okay to try out something, but if it doesn't work just try something else.
I think we've seen this one enough.

>>543456982
i don't know who those peeps are
t. ruskie

Why doesn't owlcat just stop stat bloating their games?

>>543457457
Then you'll see that their games have less amount of plot and story than DAI

Larian=Messi
Obsidian=Ronaldo
Owlcat=Mbappe
There I fixed it.

Larian=Chappell Roan
Obsidian=Taylor Swift
Owlcat=Sabrina Carpenter

>>543456982
You have brain damage.

>>543452291
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OWLKEKBROS???

Temple of elemental evil and underrail have proven that turn BASED>real time with pause

>>543457759
l*rian is clearly t swizzle

Larian=Kendrick
Obsidian=Tupac
Owlcat=Playboi Carti

>>543458436
I'd say Larian is Sabrina
>rising star, somewhat excessively shilled
Obsidian is Tay
>coasting on past glories, regarded poorly by the younger generation

Can we start reporting this off-topic sorry excuse to shitpost?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F3N4Lxw4_Y&pp=ygURdmVpbGd1YXJkIHRyYWlsZXI%3D

This general should try to be more like the codex then whatever this is.

>>543453016
The telepath (?) one with the Visions of Death or something is pretty good for the last fight in Act 1

>>543459552
More grognards wouldn’t make this better

The reviews for bloodlines 2 are out
CGMagazine 6.5/10, CNET
ComicBook 3/5, DBLTAP 7/10
Dexerto 3/5, DualShockers 5/10
Eurogamer 2/5, GAMINGbible 6/10
Game Informer 7/10, Game Rant 7/10
GameGrin 7.5/10, GameSpew 7/10
GameSpot 7/10, Gamereactor UK 8/10
GamesRadar+ 1.5/5, IGN 7/10
Loot Level Chill 6/10, Metro GameCentral 8/10
PC Gamer 78/100, PCGamesN 5/10
PlayStation Universe 7.5/10, Push Square 4/10
TechRadar Gaming 1.5/5, The Escapist
TheGamer 2.5/5, TheSixthAxis 7/10
VideoGamer 6/10, Wccftech 7/10

That averages to just above 6/10.

>>543460041
>Eurogamer 2/5
Yikes
They are pretty impartial. This looks bad

>>543460041
Post the veilguard reviews

>>543460041
Crpg of the year. Name a better crpg that came out this year.

>>543460041
A true return to form!

>>543460139
the game looks like a fucking mess but we don't have to pretend that guy has good taste

>>543460154
a RETURN to FORM

>>543460251
its not a crpg

>>543460503
>called robert purchase
>Sold out
heh

The orginal bloodlines got mid reviews when it came out, and just like the orginal this one is ahead of its time.

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znc1m36BYng

>>543460682
>this one is ahead of its time
yeah, if this one came out 10 years ago

Paradox should've just given up on the Bloodlines 2 branding after the original devs shat the bed and let the story game devs market their story game as Bloodlines: Rebloodening or whatever

>>543461325
they own the ip, ever since the book shit the bed so hard

>>543457416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7NMsywVQhY

>>543461421
I know. I'm just saying that this game would be better received if people were expecting a VTM game that's vaguely Bloodlines adjacent and not a proper Bloodlines sequel.

Any 40k powerscalers here? Can you order the rogue traders retinue from weakest to strongest.

Powerscaling
Ularon>Ulfar>idira>henerix>marz>pasqual>yirlet>argenta>abelard>kibbles>solomore>jae

>>543462387
>Ularon>Ulfar
Word bearers are the weakest legion

>>543462589
still has all the chaos magic buffs we saw him cast spells

Starfinder Afterlight has unlocked the dog furries. Next up, full voice acting. I feel like this will be the last stretch goal

>>543456075
In future playthroughs I may start opting for this as a more satisfying canon than the normal romance path

>>543462796
I see nothing about choices&consequence or reactivity
I can see priorities that I don't care about

>>543460041
>hot body markings
>cleavage visible
>pajeeta man-face

>>543462796
starfinder looks like shit i'm gonna be honest

>>543462387
Abelard above Kibbles?

>>543462942
Do you want them to make choices and consequence or reactivity a stretch goal?

>>543462942
Why would that be a stretch goal? That's just the game

Choice and Consequence
(Meaningful) Reactivity
Complex Branching
(Meaningful) Stat checks

Disco Elysium 2 when
Wasteland 4 when
Jagged Alliance 4 when

fuck Failguard
fuck Avoid
fuck The Expense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAz4i03dZBI

>>543463293
>Wasteland 4 when
After clockwork revolution

>>543463417
Don't lie to me Brian

>>543463293
* more Shadowrun
* Pillars 3

>>543463293
>fuck The Expense
It's called "ShitsPants"

>>543462957
It's a player character calm down /v/

>>543463774
you can't change her face

HOT TAKE!!!!
im more excited for the solasta 2 EA then the dark heresy beta

hotter take, don't buy unfinished games

I don't understand why you'd spend extra money on buying an EA. These games are so long and so buggy. Why would you want that to be your first experience?

is this the Shadowlands BBS?
I got a milk run to post

I would by the solasta 2 EA because tactical adventures games are finished on release and we know from the demo they are adding more content.
I would not by the owlcat alpha because there games are buggy on release and owlcat themselves admited they are adding less content and alignments and there game will be buggy as shit on release again.

>>543464478
what kind of crew you lookin for, chummer?

>>543464656
I literally need someone to buy some milk. Should be an easy run

>>543460041
hello shill. 6/10 is a shit score

>>543462796
>funded in 80 minutes
what the fuck lol are people this starved for space rpgs after mass effect & starfield flopped or is it just that some of the backers are rich furries?

>>543465002
Most kickstarters are likely a form of money laundering

>>543463293
Actual Disco 2 never ever
It’s not gonna be the same

He did nothing wrong.

>>543464656
/bgg/ needs a little goodberry injection, a bit of the druid, you know
low risk, just remind them and get out of there, should be pretty straight forward

I deserve a jae gf irl.

This is how my underrail run went

*alarms*
Shit we've been discovered, my team needs extraction immediately

Speaking of Starfinder, the kickstarter has a link to a place where you can listen to how the companions sound

>>543465002
Considering how many people pledged those expensive options, I'd say it's the latter. It seems to also be pretty heavy on Marvel-esque quippy/quirky humour and "vibes" that seems popular these days, so that's probably helped

I want a 40k game where you attempt to manage a hiveworld and everything goes hilariously wrong at every step - with the ending being about everyone uniting to fight a waaagh.

>>543465718
We were set up. I'll jack in and hack the security system

>>543465992
I'd like a game where you manage a genestealer cult and have to evade the increasingly suspicious locals
Ending is you and everyone else getting eaten by the tyranids

>>543464919
not falling for this drek again
already had a crew get geeked trying to pull off an azzie blood cow heist because high and mighty mr johnson here couldn't drink onions like the rest of us

Larian=Papa Johns
Obsidian=Dominos
Owlcat=little Caesars

>>543465370
Just pick up some brown woman who is "ready to settle down" should be close enough. Or go see Bonnie Blue.

Jae should have been asain

>>543466001
>>543466054
Whew, that was a close one.
I'd say we handled that pretty well, job well done everyone, let's collect the creds, drinks are on me.

>>543437526 (OP)
hello. i am extremely autistic and think i would probably like warhammer, but i have never experienced it before, i only know that it's a predominantly male hobby full of autists. where should i start if most of my turn based strategy experience comes from games like Civ V and if i think dnd 5e is dogshit

Larian = Zohran Mamdani
Obsidian = Andrew Cuomo
Owlcat = Curtis Sliwa

>>543460041
From what I've seen so far, the story is a clusterfuck that only works because everybody is a moron.
Also, your cute waifubait nerd companion is a main villain. There's your plot twist and subverted expectations. I spared you 20 hours of pointless slog to get to the dumbest plot twist since the ending of Fallout 3.

>>543466594
Go to /tg/ and find one of the warhammer generals and ask there

Jae=good at cuddles
Yirlet=not good at cuddles

>>543466594
I work with extremely autistic, and you are not extremely autistic.

>>543466594
If you mean the wargame, /tg/ can help
If you mean the ones we talk about here, that system is different form dnd 5e. /tg/ can probably explain it better though

dudes calling themselves extremely autistic on 4chan
gals calling themselves ___ on tumblr

>>543466594
Rogue Trader certainly isn't that kind of strategy game.
Gladius is apparently similar to the Civ games
There's also Mechanicus, which isn't 4X but does have turn based tactical combat, where you're a techpriest team exploring a dangerous alien ruin.

>>543466727
>From what I've seen so far, the story is a clusterfuck that only works because everybody is a moron.

what does the C in CRPG stand for?

>>543466829
I think even if she tried her best, Yrliet wouldn't be soft enough for cuddles. I imagine her being pretty rigid like a bird. Try hugging a chicken - not very squishy.

>autism
Not real

>>543467072
Cornudo

>autism
used to just be called 'rude'

>>543467015
Neurospicy

>>543467054
The story of Bloodlines 1 actually worked, because it was a joke with the TNT as the punchline. And it was actually really funny.
There was no threat, no big reveal, everybody was just projecting their fears and Jack was just having a laugh at everybody's expense.

>>543467165
This entire thread is proof it is

Ok, I've finished missions before what I think is point of no return in SR: HK.

It's been real. Wish me luck. It's time to finally get to the bottom of this.

>>543467553
Good luck chummer

Why i first played the og bloodlines i was kinda disappointed by the ending since I was just getting into the lore i though the ending would be something cool where if you opened the box you would doom yourself in a way worse way then death. Pretty much you would get Saulot'ed or Cappadocius'ed but ten times worse.

>>543467157
>I imagine her being pretty rigid like a bird.
Can be fixed with a good diet

>>543443726
Nobody likes Zevran, half the playerbase doesn't even like Zevran

>>543467824
>Are you going to finish your fries, elantach?

Half of me wants to replay Kingmaker for the smaller scale and the politics, the other half wants to play WOTR for the power trip and an endgame dungeon that doesn't make me want to rip my fingernails out

>>543467758
I think the ending was the only thing that redeemed everything after the sewers for me.

>>543468151
I don't know why I always see people here convinced he wasn't fairly popular
I remember how much fanart he used to get

>he's still jacked in
drop the comm before the dumpshock, omae

Which one of you fag worked for Owlcat?

>>543455080
if you dual wield melee/ranged it stacks pretty quickly. I don't use those either tho. for me it's kick.

>>543471260
I normally go, burst fire->dash +kick->burst fire again. For 3 stacks a turn.

>>543471491
the gun is my guys secondary but yeah that's the general rotation

>>543444441
No, she didn't, kibelard. Your waifu is shit and her torture is laughable

>>543444897
>The only person who had it easier than Kibellah is Idira
Spoken like someone who has never worked retail. It's fucking torture. Bet she also had to deal with tervantias' customer karens who were never happy and blamed her for everything

Is she going to be the next big owlcat waifu?

>>543443906
It is even shruged off by the game itself
>Yeah, just give me a sec and i'm dtf
Bruh...
Extreme violense against men is often shrugged off even in fiction. Sad.

>>543471938
>No change of mind returns for wracks after two cycles
>I'm sorry ma'am that's the policy

>>543468151
Ha-ha-ha-ha. oh, wow. sure thing, buddy

The person who had it worst in Cumrag was Argenta. She's easily distressed by disapproval so when she learned that those people she sent to the Arena might be mad at her, it was very triggering.

>>543470914
I'm gone, choomba

>>543446218
Don't worry. I'll fix it. Our descendants will blot out the sun

>>543440325
>But the Dark Eldar would 100% rape her
No
Humans aren't attractive to Eldars. And vice versa.
Eldars look like misshapen humans. Would you fuck a gorrilla? No? There's your answer

>>543446723
It's called Down syndrome and is caused by trisomy

>>543472730
Hmm can the RT imagine Yrliet as hot when they're in the dream-world

>>543451578
>Pasqal
>afterthought

>>543472730
Not so

Guild magos in skald should do more damage, mid to late game they just become a buff bot.

>>543454174
>Just because they were required to read that in russian high school
I can guarantee you nobody from owlcat read it. It's not fun or easy reading and owlshart employees finished highschool at the break of the century or later when all sorts of "tl;dr for classics" have been published. So at most they know the gist of it to not get an F in class but haven't read it. I don't know why it's even part of the curriculum. Nobody reads it, and teachers know it

>>543472730
Reminds me of Divinity elves

>>543472887
Exception that proves the rule.

>>543472730
And I'm pretty sure that sex of any kind is more like a chore to eldar than something fun
>uhm actually this novel by Dan Abnett says
I don't care

>>543455104
Take kebab and solomorne too. Kebab will bitch and whine about how horrible the torture was, but she's unironically just being a little bitch about it. The torture I have to endure when listening to her talk is worse than anything she goes through
Solomorne I still don't even know what his torture was. He lost a dog?

Anyone play the Avadon games? Could you recommend them?

>>543458209
I liked rt more than i liked bg3, and that was when the game was first released so it was full of bugs and didn't have dlc, so go for it

Everyone got off easy by dukari standards.

>>543460041
Returntoformbros, our response?
>>543460503
bioware paid him for the review, and chinese room didn't. Simple as

>>543462169
Kebab, Jae, Solomorne and Abelard are the weakest, they are just regular humans.
Then Argenta. She's got skills, but more importantly - equipment and faith.
Pasqal is here. He has no special abilities but very good equipment. He can potentially go even higher once he gives up the rest of his flesh and installs more augments.
Ulfar and the two retards next I suppose, though psykers can
Cassia is potentially the strongest, but she will most likely get boddied by literally any other person on this list because she's so unexperienced and not a combatant really
I don't know where to put Idira and Jimmy. Jimmy is trained in both magic and combat, so I'd put him over Idira at least, plus he has biomancy. They are probably just below Ulfar and the retards. Kebab would be here if she was an actual psyker instead of just some fag who can do useless card readings once in awhile

>>543473289
Yeah for example eldar women can't even orgasm, because the Old Ones (frog people) saw no need to design them with that ability.

>>543474217
Abelard has experience however

>>543472730
>Humans aren't attractive to Eldars.
Is that why vect has a slew of scantly dressed human females chained to his chair?

>>543474374
Experience in being theodora's manservant

>>543474217
Where would commander Shepard (resurrected and augmented) rank?

Are the Fantasy Dark Elves less extreme than 40k's?

Abelard was level , Mort BVLL was a Arch-Militant he did all the combat.

>>543474909
Closer to drow than Deldar

>>543475134
Without the matriarchy, I imagine. Could you imagine Malekith interacting with drow society

>>543474581
He enjoys making them uncomfortable
If they were enjoying it he would get bored

I'm kind of like Darth Nihilus irl

>>543475487
I think you mean Malerion

>>543474581
Because it was the eighties or shit, they still had notions of aesthetics and they weren't afraid of depicting Vect with the chorus of slaves that he constantly has around him to stop him deteriorating. That spiky-ass asshat is 10k years old.

>>543475910
who

>>543474701
Don't forget naval service

Bloodlines 2 will save this general.

Jae=would peg you if you peer pressure her
Kibbles=would peg you but only with a barbed dildo for the pain
Yirlet=would not peg you amd doesnt want to know what it is
Cassia=would be offended if you even asked

>>543478494
Kibbles is broadly correct but she wouldn't go that far

Is Yrliet still autistic by the time she becomes a pirate?

>>543478494
And Wenduag?

Jae is so small and cute! You could do so many things to her.

>>543473570
Anon they sent out the game to die. EA wasn't wasting money on paying anyone for good reviews.

>>543479290
I know, she's like if Sabrina Carpenter was persian space gypsy

Why doesn't putting a demon inside of idira power her up gameplay wise?

Based or cringe?

>>543480080
>crpg without romances in 2025
not playing dat

really looking forward to 'outer worlds 2'
my favorite part in the first game is when that character turned into a pickle and was like "i'm pickle rick!" LMFAO
the first game's sharp critique of capitalism still hits hard. I also love how it includes LGBTQ+ characters. Smart satire and real representation in one package

>outerworlds is a crpg
yeah so is borderlands I guess

>>543480080
>Flaunt thing that has been there since the dawn of time as something new for some reason

????

>>543479213
Considering how she is, she'd probably see asking her to peg (you) as a sign of weakness and be disgusted
Unless she thinks of it as (you) using it so symbolise something like "I am so powerful that I only let you have sex with me through a medium that brings you no pleasure" or something

>>543480080
I'm pretty sure I saw this exact same article for Outer Worlds 1 back when it was coming out

>I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN I MUST DOWNPLAY OBSIDIAN
he he he, YUP! someone is mindbroken.

>>543480296
>new vegas is a crpg but space gay new vegas with worse writing isn't

>>543480428
I never even mentioned new vegas, anon.
Outerworlds is a shitty shooter with a shitty world and a worse story.

>>543480427
The last crpg they made was over 7 years ago anon. Unless they start making new ones they're irrelevant.

Argenta should have tried to kill you if you go heratic

in dark heresy do you play as an inquisitor?

>>543480819
You're an acolyte.

>>543480819
More like his intern.

>>543480682
Owlcat doesnt have the BALLS for that.

>>543448257
Divinity 2 has all that covered iirc

>>543481320
you mean divinity 2 or original sin 2?

>>543480819
Acolyte>Interrogator>inquisitor progression

>>543452954
>AOD
I like how combat was both the hardest thing in the game because the AI cheats to have higher stats than you and outright ignored AP costs and it was also arguably the most boring route to take on the game too even if it could be funny peeling the skin off a fag that tried to ambush you with his ass buddies

What is Valerie’s problem? Did that guy not fuck her enough?

>>543484240
Hellknight in denial

Would you guys save Octavia?

>c-critical roll isn’t gayyyy
>stop m-making fun of meeeee

WE are the light. THEY are the darkness!

>>543479014
No, a good dicking by Marzi probably fixed her.

Why don't other studios adopt the early access model that Larian had with BG3? it's literally free money

Because they don’t want people to see how shit their games are

>>543486124
Honestly, even larian shouldn't do it anymore. When the bg3 alpha first released, people criticized it as being original sin 3. Because the ui elements were the same from original sin 2 still.
Developers need to learn that most people are retarded and they don't know what early access or alpha means. If it's buggy they'll blame you, if it's not up to spec then your game is already a failure.
They should hire actual QA people instead.

>don't romance a character, that character finds another romantic partner during end of game or is said to have a family with an unamed
Why do people have a problem with this? Of course just like irl, if you don't date and marry someone chances are they will find someone else. The player character not being the center of everyone's universe and the companions having their own lives is good and immersive writing. Like Abelard having his family. Or if say Vigdis x Idira was actually lesbo romance (seems like a friendship, Vigdis gets a husband and names the kid after Idira in an ending if they reunite as frens).

>>543490985
They don't carry about plot realism or good writing they just see the companions as their dollies.

>>543490985
>Vigdis gets a husband and names the kid after Idira
Really? I never saw that. I always get the one where
>Idira wanted to spend as much time as possible with the person who matters to her most - Vigdis
which is odd for just friends. But there's nothing to say that one member of a lesbian couple won't marry a man and have kids in later life, especially given that Idira won't live long and Vigdis has an obligation to her family.

>>543491460
Idk about that they soundnlike friends to me. Friends can be sentimental and very close not everything is homoerotic. I'd sooner say that Jae and Idira might have had a fling in the endings

>>543491960
Could be, I suppose
>I'd sooner say that Jae and Idira might have had a fling
Yeah that fits

>>543487994
hiring q&a is actually fucking stupid, because the sample size is small enough to not notice problems with design or theyre implanted with preconceived notions of how it should work rather than how it actually works, so you end up with situations like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNxJVTJleE

I wanna smooch her.

>playtesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIS7m7YYEXI

>>543487994
I'm sure they do hire actual QA people. Early access more of a marketing gimmick than it is free QA..

>>543490985
With valerie the issue is that she refuses to bear your children as your wife but if she marries some random farmer she'll bear his.

>>543494681
This is a brilliant innovation in cuck technology
It should be developed further, which ever dolly you don't romance gets together with one of the other dollies and they are very happy together, but the one you choose is always unsatisfied with you.

>>543467824
eldar don't have bodyfat

>>543495454
Yeah that's what it said in that old Xenology book
Never been officially deprecated
They're like a designed organism, not part of an evolved ecosystem like we are.

Owlcuck fans can’t go 5 minutes without talking about their fantasies. Pathetic.
Is this the state of critical role viewers?

80$ for an alpha key AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

It’s sad watching bait get more desperate in slow hours

I bet he paid 80$ for an alpha key

>>543497306
t. filterer by 3.5

No good games came out, Imma finna play skyrim again

Play crpgs

Imma finna watch critical role and fake laugh with their fake laughs. It’s gonna be epic. I might pay 80$ for a beta key and think about 40k lore after. I fricken love being an owlcat fan.

Femcels what is your romance wishlist for Larry?
Guys what is your frenship wishlist for Larry?

What the fuck is Valerie’s deal?

The absolute state

Can we talk about critical role instead of fetish shit?

favorite seearpig UI?

>>543495041
>It should be developed further, which ever dolly you don't romance gets together with one of the other dollies and they are very happy together, but the one you choose is always unsatisfied with you.
that's like 90% of owlcat romances. they even changed arues to go against it since people seethed.

Would you give tabletop Wenduag a chance?

>>543480080
>If you're not nice, your cleaning lady, Inez, will leave your employ
okay

>>543503081
A chance to be crafting materials for my shoes, maybe.

this general is a perfect place for rent free living, isn't it?

Why did they need to turn that hideous creature into a hot little spider girl that cucks you constantly?

>>543503370
>hot
have you checked her charisma lately?

>>543503421
This isn’t 2002 anymore

Do you think love is ever lasting, anons? Baby don't hurt me

Valerie’s love for her ex sure seems to burn eternally. Fucking bitch.

wheres the option to tell kanerah that kalikke was tighter

>No hate sex option

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>543506358
>No hate sex option
Play Demon next time.

>>543506358
>letting a bunch of demons go
>good

>>543503081
yes, i think she's cuter

Thanks for this recommendation, though I can't read Russian and will be playing in English.
If I recall, I glanced at these games when they were new, saw the mobile phone splash screen and art and Warcraft at Home graphics and didn't give it a second thought. Extremely fun so far, I'm playing the Paladin class. I guess I started the sequel first and will play out of order.

>>543511985
What game? qrd?

>>543511985
Never played that either, is it linear or is there semi free froam or random maps like homm

>>543512563
King;s Bounty seems like

>>543506358
That would not be a Good act
Stop picking the cuck alignment

>I blew this game off until I realized I could play as another cookie-cutter bobcut dyke!
very interesting

>>543513226
>>543507789
"Slavery" is abhorrent, no living being should be stripped of their freedom. The demons should be raped individually for their crime

>>543513436
but thats sexual slavery

>>543512863
Semi free roam across a set world. You can explore further ahead than your level by winning very hard battles or dodging patrols. It is a strategy RPG where RPG is first, compared to Heroes, which is a strategy game first.
>>543512563
King's Bounty. Specifically Crossworlds and The Legend. Never played the DOS/Megadrive original or 2 (this one apparently sucks).

>>543513556
It is not bad if their pupils turn into hearts, ask any lawyer

Which CRPG girls would look great with heart pupils?

>>543515579
Mission

>>543515579
Piper Wright

>>543515579
Valerie had heart pupils while retelling the story of her past lover. That shit was fucked up. I can’t believe players still romance her after that.

Slavery is lawful neutral btw.

>>543464613
Is Sol 2 supposed to have more story to it? I appreciated 1 being basically just a crawler but I would love more plot and characterization this go around

You would be a slave if slavery was still in practice.

>>543473142
>multiple races where women are taller than men
Sven is so based.

>>543465002
>are people this starved for space rpgs
NTA but yes considering the only thing kinda recent has been rogue trader and I'm only so so on the setting, and colony ship which is decent, even good, but lacks the actual planet exploration (unless in in for a really big surprise later since I'm only like 12 hours in)

Is there really a better space setting than 40k?

>>543519000
the kotors gave us cuter girls

>>543519000
Yes, I like 40k but I will say it's a horrible setting if you want flexibility with the story. RT outright shows it as it's drunk on grimdark nonsense so it's limiting as to how think can go.

>>543518408
A sex slave, maybe.

paradox could never

>>543519000
Star Wars
or anything else that doesn't force you to rp as a human supremacist 24/7

>Star Wars
Yeah ok. You’re all retards. 40k has deeper and more interesting lore than any other shit setting. Maybe Game of Thrones is better but nothing else is even close.

>>543519000
the only one I can think of that's worse than 40k is starfield's

>>543520213
40k doesn't even have Ewoks (the peak of space fantasy)
even Sawyer saw the light and added Ewoks to PoE

>>543519000
owlslopprs need to play more things

>>543515579
Imoen

40k is peak fuck u guys. I bet you guys are the ones who were mocking critical role.

>>543516815
It's a total bs that halflings and gnomes can fuck that slut.

>>543515579
Heart tits are where its at

>>543521978
She would rather have a halfling than you….

Which way, lawchads?

>>543521978
Imagine if she did reject you for your race
>Hah. You are funny my friend, but I'd rather have more... substantial companionship.
>As if! Do I look like I frolic with beasts to you?
>I'd prefer my bedmates less furry.

>>543519000
technically every setting is a space setting

>>543522293
>(lawful neutral) I follow my own personal code

>>543522293
what if I demand absolute obedience to the state (me), but I myself am lg?

>>543521978
Halflings have been getting elves since RPG romances started.

>>543522373
>(to a half-orc) Don't get me wrong, my friend, but I've seen demons with more appealing visages.

>>543522005
Mogged by Lisa.

>>543522984
you aren't

>>543472730
>And vice versa.
Incorrect (Source - White Dwarf 302 - Index Xenos: Swordwind)
Humans are tsundere for Eldar

Dune crpg where you get to fuck zendeya

>>543466727
I don't expect Shakespeare but man how hard is it to just have a logical story?

time to play the crpg of the year.

>>543526082
>he boughted it

should I be killing neutral wildlife for exp in kingmaker?

>>543526082
This will have its own general, marketing will be sure of that. As such, it doesn't belong here.

>>543526082
>no nos
>no gangrel
>no malk

>>543526293
It gives you near nothing, it's not a Larian game. For comparison, a random tavern around Act 4 will possibly give you 2 levels if you pass the checks.

I always play a Wizard type character for my first run of every RPG.
I'm going to be trying to play Fallout soon, so I just wanted to know if it's possible to get energy weapons early on.
I'm thinking of focusing hard on energy weapons, repair, science, and medicine.
If I've got to use a gun, I'd prefer either a shotgun, revolver, or sniper rifle.

>>543526082
I already memoryholed it lol

>>543526082
Have any new crpgs released this year? This might win by technicality.

>>543526082
Frog is that you?

>>543478494
...how do you peer pressure someone into pegging? Peer pressure requires a group of peers. Do you go all
>Abelard, convince Jae that pegging is all the rage lately
?

>>543526297
Does the shill know what generals are. I should look.

>>543527116
...why do you poke holes in a shitpost?

>>543527259
Because it's a shitpost about poking holes!

>>543526860
it isn't a crpg

>>543526659
Fallout 1? They're late game.

>>543519000
mass effect was good at first

>>543519000
Dead space.

>>543527387
That brings up the question, what is a CRPG?
I think we can all agree that isometric real time with pause role playing games are CRPGs, but how wide does the range go?
Does any RPG on a computer count? definitely not, because that means the Final Fantasy series were not CRPGs until recently when some of the early games were ported over.
Skyrim doesn't count, but does Morrowind? How about Daggerfall? And what's the line that makes it so?
Is it the fact that it has to be a computerized version of a tabletop game? Fallout isn't based on a tabletop game, but Baldur's Gate is.

>>543526917
NTA
But, yep, he bought

>>543528286
he must have wanted it for the gay sex

>>543528157
Skyrim is a crpg its just a bad one.

>>543526659
The first energy weapon you can acquire is a plasma pistol in the necropolis sewers. You will need some way of killing enemies before that point.

>>543526082
VTMB2 has to have had the most wet fart reception of any "major" title in recent times, barely any interest at all here and you'd think RT was released a week ago instead

>>543506358
SAD!!!

I hate demon women
I hate demon women

>>543529858
What about Devil women?
What about Daemon women?

ever since I decided to live my life like it's an rpg with [Evil] and [Good] dialogue options I got so much happier

[Attack] I don't like you! Die!

[Good] Let's talk about this. I'm sure you had a rough day.

cold and rainy day, perfect for running some shadows

[Neutral] Let's rape and torture the bad guys

[Rape] I like you! Sex!

Have you claimed your Expanse waifu yet?

>>543533867
>Owlcat game
I don't fancy being cucked. Cool if they allow a custom merc somehow though.

>>543533867
>earrings
She's going to be a spoiled rich girl with a fast ship like in the books right?

>>543533867
>generically attractive blonde woman
How subversive

>Edge of Daybreak
>just a Changer of Ways
That's it? I was expecting more than a big bird wannabe.

>>543534254
Funny every single time

>>543534243
>owlcat
>subversive
How many times can you write freaks and losers before it's just your MO?

>>543534243
>every woman in vidya over the last few years is an ugly sheboon
Yes it is, tranny.

Why are owlcat writers obsessed with cuck shit? The audience can’t actually like this shit, can they?

>>543534695
Is the "cuck shit" in the room with us now?

What a novel topic to discuss during slow hours, fellow Owlcat fan

>>543533867
She'll either be non romancable or a lesbian. No way Owlkek will let an attractive white women be available for men.

Tremere is the best clan in bloodlines 2

>>543535241
Bro, your Camellia?

>>543534254
>The scaffolding just blinks out of existence. No animation
This is the super impressive AAA crpg everyone circlejerks?

WE are all romancing the black science lady in dark heresy and in the expanse. Its what owlcat intended.

>>543535253
>bloodlines 2
Not even an RPG.

>>543519978
You don't have to play a human in 40k

>>543535465
Your jungle fever fetish will never be the norm bro

>>543535465
Only if she has a fat ass and calls me massa

>>543535465
>Its what owlcat intended.
I hate how this is probably true.

>>543466661
who is Bethesda?

>>543535465
In truth she's the "acceptable" kind of black woman aka light skinned with caucasian passing facial features. If she looked like your typical shaniqua I'd wager most players would want to toss her out of the airlock on first contact.

>>543535465
gross

Wotr is the real baldurs gate 3.

>>543522619
not true

Going from bg2 to wotr is the real whiplash.

magritium, turinos.

>>543536595
sis your kingmaker?
>captcha: 0PSAD
>>543437526 (OP)
what's wrong? want to talk about it?

>>543536734
Feel free to (attempt to) provide a counter example.

Let's face it, the Expanse game looks like bargain bin Mass Effect without the cool aliens, and Dark Heresy seems to be a straight up downgrade from Rogue Trader. It looks like Owlcat is already beginning to go the way of every other CRPG studio before them and fall into utter mediocrity. Rogue Trader was the last decent game they'll ever make.

>>543536989
middle-earth, there is no outer space and the celestial bodies are ships with lanterns on them

>>543536595
too much cuckoldry and shit minigames to be the case

>>543537129
>Expanse game looks like bargain bin Mass Effect without the cool aliens,
But Andromeda exists

>>543537129
>Let's face it, the Expanse game looks like bargain bin Mass Effect
Every space setting has been bargain bin Mass Effect, where are the fucking aliens? Why do you write a space setting if you're only going to populate it with humans?

Give me one reason not to put Linzi in a stew.

Actually Kingmaker is the real bg3.

>>543537257
andromeda has aliens and visuals not confined to just the system containing earth
also, despite running like ass on release, i'm willing to bet its release state will still come across as more playable than owlcat's first UE5 game

>>543537372
You literally can't because she's protected by plot armor.

>>543534243
Have you woken up from a 20 year old coma? Fuck off troon.

>>543535465
owlkek was only edging us with black queens so far in their games. Hopefully they will finally deliver

>>543536595
Fuck off you aussie retard.