Thread 544591809

The BEST Legion Edition!

>PTS 11.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/287-pts-patch-notes-11-0?

>Update 10.2 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/272-hotfix-10-2-patch-notes

>September Community update
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/278-september-community-update

>Year 2 Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>Recommended prestige perks (WIP):
https://i.imgur.com/oy6eQdx.jpeg

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-barge: >>544565467

What happened back there? Was there some report or something and we got autosaged?

Eh hem. Hello, Dick Angels, Chink Scars, Imperial Sissies, Bitch Angels, Ultrafaggots, S*l*m*nd*rs, and Gayven Guard and Alpha Legion welcome to MY Space Marine thread! Fuck all you haters. Iron GODS reign this day!

Rock and roll Brothers!

Behold, my beautiful wife!
>>544592363
Fuck you cunt. Jannies, ban this disrespectful son of a bitch.

>>544592172
It appears we were Istvaan 5'd.

Why is nobody posting in my thread? :(

>>544592172
It was likely over the image being a roll chart

>>544593423
Have I well and truly gotten the Iron Hands thread I so desired? Now everyone has to post here!? In my thread!?! And see my dearest Iron Hands!?!?!?!?

Ya fuck this i'm using cheat engine fuck stratagems

Is gunstrike buffed from ranged damage boosts?

>>544594402
I don't know :(

So is Assault's overcharged perk actually bugged?

Цaгaaн copвинд хyтгa өг, энэ бoл нoвшийн нoвш юм

Heroic fist predictions?

>>544594402
Nope, only gunstrike specific buffs and the weapon's base damage/gunstrike modifier

>get somehow stuck out of limits just as I'm finishing Reliquary hard strat
I swear to fucking god.

>>544596561
>[throat singing in the background]

>>544596752
massively overshadowed by patched block axe and fixed heroic chainsword

How do you even play fist, do you just have to trade and get healed back from the execute?

>>544596752
Absolutely garbage as even the most optimized light attack build does a third as much damage as an average charged attack balance fist

>vortex daily
>area transition
>fall straight thru the fucking floor
>die
>game immediately spawns massive wave
>25+ enraged chaos spawn

Oh. Ok.

>heroic fist releases
>its built for combo
>charged heavies launch you forward to close distance
>shockwave is removed

>>544603037
Yeah you basically trade while getting off the fully charged punch. Immediately press the execute button afterwards to completely recover the health lost.

>>544603037
take tide of battle and one shot shit from 10m away
trading is an option with the super armor but you can also just fuck up a dozen majoris on the approach with a fully charged blow

>>544603825
Thats how ive been playing it, it doesnt feel very good on hard difficulty, you take too much damage and deal too little, on normal its cannon punch followed by 1 or 2 charges, but on hard they live that

What stupid fucking nigger did this shit? This weekly is goddamn impossible who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>544604419
You're meant to play it solo since bots autoheal often.

>>544604419
I managed to get to the end and get the boss at 10 and 5% hp once with players and once with bots, but his moveset is too fucking bullshit.

>>544604334
I clear Absolute with the power fist but I make it a bad habit to always tap dodge after each punch to recover as soon as possible.
I used the Combo perk to immediately do a weaker charge after full charges but the ability to just NUKE a chaos majoris enemy as they teleport in usually worked out.

>dodge Neurothrope's big bright attacks
>get hit anyways
Fuck you game.

>>544603037
Fist is actually a range weapon. Step away from the enemy and charge your oneshot.

>>544596752
>>544603761
I get the impression you're not aware that we do already know what heroic fist's effect is.
It's laughably bad. The additional gunstrike marker can't even be counted on to actually show.

>>544602478
What's so great about heroic chainsword 3.0?

>>544608753
nooo not hekkin' string3

>Great responsibility
>Obelisk

>>544609553
They made it so the double stomp actually works.
high base damage + 15% heavy attacks boost + easier access to late stage heavy attacks + double stomp with the boosted radius = everything in a 30m radius dies

>>544609553
>on regular chainsword
>kick is considered bad only because it's just shoulder bash but worse for very little speed gain
>stomp is considered bad only because it's just shoulder bash but with more cleave in exchange for taking an extra attack to reach
>on heroic chainsword
>can light -> kick -> stomp -> stomp repeatedly for majority heavy attacks
>if shoulder bash is still desired it can be done with quick punch into shoulder bash, basically becoming the full throttle skip but with a heavy instead of a light
>on top of this, it gives a 15% damage boost to all those good heavy attacks
Its only negative is being balanced, but it has enough positives to outweigh that now

I still find it hilarious how poorly light attacks are balanced compared to heavy attacks. On every single weapon, they're basically at best a tax that has to be used to get to the actually good heavy attacks. That they've added nodes to both chainsword and power sword to extend the light attack string is funny.

What's this about the last thread being auto sage'd? Stupid fucking jannies.

>only have sniper left to prestige

what chapter do I run?

>>544592172
Mods are nigger faggots, as confirmed by the hack.

>>544619626
Sniper has enough gear to make a great looking Raptor.

>>544619626
Raptors is the easy answer so tiger claws instead

>>544604419
Finally cleared this shit with bots tonight. I had to use bulwark as a crutch too, but it did make me realize how big that opening desert area is. I never realized you could just go around the left or right of that first big building. I always thought you had to fight your way up it. You can skip so much trouble early on by just hugging the left side until you get to that first elevator

>>544619768
I bet nobody knows who those are.

>>544617269
Anon, the power sword has no heavy attacks...

The thing I dislike most about Sniper is that most of his cloak choices have fabric bunched up by his chin, which means that virtually any helmet is going to clip through it in a really obvious manner.

>>544620135
Who cares if they're known they have a cool color scheme and that's all that matters

>>544619154
Roll image as OP image.

>>544621256
Weird rule I've never heard of until now. Fucking jannies.

>>544620739
His only good cloak options are

>Short urban camo with no neck cloth, good for Raven Guard
>Green cloak, good for Raptors
>Prestige cloak, good for Chapters like Blood Angels

Everything else is fucked by the neck cowling unless you run the half-helms.

>>544620739
Agreed. The eliminator miniatures' wonky proportions make it less egregious in the tabletop (although I'm not a big fan of the eliminator cloaks in general) but in the game it's super annoying. Prestige cape makes a huge difference.

>>544621695
Raptors utilize camo so literally anything goes with them. The desert camo one with no neck muffler would do fine, though it has a downside in covering so little (looks more like just a decorative cape) which doesn't fit the chapter.

>>544622805
My impossible ask for incompetant Ruskies

>Customization rework
>Cloaks are now split into new slots
>Can remove the shoulder cloth and/or neck cowl from your set while retaining the cloak
>Can also change the color of the cloaks

>>544623601
Colors will probably never happen desu, but being able to pick and choose which part of the cloak gets equipped should be a no-brainer.

>>544619626
new recruit blood raven

>>544624056
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuDRUEb5zEs

>>544623468
>camos
That's one of the cosmetic element's I'd expect them to include in raptors cosmetic pack. But it's Saber so I prefer to set my expectation low.
also
>color slider never ever

>>544624412
If the Salamanders pack is anything to go by, I am not looking forward to future non-Champion skins.

>Only four successors out of the five that are both confirmed and have visual representation (Black Dragons are just rumored / Storm Giants are already in and only suspected)
>Only four armor pieces (alt helmet isn't an extra piece)
>No chest plate

The Carcharodons and Raptors, being successors themselves, have nothing to pad the packs out beyond their own heraldry and armor parts.

>>544624793
the funny thing is people will still buy them.
we truly live in a cursed timeline, i wish i've never known what a dlc is

Even with bots this stratagem is the worst fucking ass cancer I have ever experienced in a video game. These bots are less than fucking useless and I'm almost certain the enemies are programmed to ignore them in favour of attacking you so you always have thirty thousand termagaunts doing chip damage to you before a ravener, two zoanthropes and a biovore spawn.

Wow they really hate assaults huh?

>>544624793
I'm more disappointed at the lack of heraldry. At the very least could have added some more stuff for the knees.
Charchadons and Raptors I've no idea what they'll even do for heraldry and colours.

>heroic fist is dogshit
Welp

fucking hate chaos missions
fucking hate chaos spawns
fucking hate vortex
fucking hate level 1 consolenigger assaults that do literally nothing all op

>>544624793
Yeah, the Salamander pack is not a good sign. I was expecting the lack of successors they have to lead to more actual armor parts and weapon skins. Yet they had less than the Space Wolves who came with a helmet, a chest, a right shoulder, a left leg, and three weapon cosmetics on top of their Champion, who is getting further customization bonuses with new parts for Tacticus and Gravis pattern armors. The Salamanders pack doesn't even come with weapon skins for the Pyreblaster, Pyrecannon, Melta Rifle etc., it's easily the shittiest pack of the bunch.

There's actually a higher fucking chance that the Iron Hands Chapter Pack, not even including the Champion, just the generic cosmetics, is going to include more than what the Salamanders got.

>>544626556
just play normal. i haven't done vortex in so long i was surprised the beast didn't have the regen phase

How would you even make the heroic fist good?
Buff combo to 50% as well?
Whats the speed stat on it?

>>544627076
30 speed

>>544627430
I wonder what that would look like

this was the most bizarre player I played with yet
faggot was just constantly lingering behind and afking
didn't respond to anything I wrote and turned out to be a consolefag
Is there a way to blacklist particular consolefags?

>>544628771
>brightest vanguard player
yes, there is.

>>544629027
nvm found it
closing this thread

>>544626556
>keep quickplaying into vortex
>keep getting my ass blasted by nigger spawns
>try out the las fusil on mutalith
>it does LITERALLY NOTHING
i think my sniper might not ever be full prestiged desu

>>544628771
>constantly lingering behind
running away from aggroed majoris enemies will make them call reinforcements, overwhelming you in the process. all majoris enemies should be killed before moving forward. especially if there is a ledge in front of you.

in every level there are predetermined places where pickups can be generated, often off the main path. if other players see you running past them, they will take the time to check them themselves.

during waves enemies will often spawn behind you, tying up ranged classes that normally stay back. once you killed enemies in the front you should look behind and relocate accordingly.

now someone gaslight him about the afking part

>>544626440
Like Anon here >>544624412 said. Camos would be the best idea, but also a lot of tacticool belts, pouches for arms/legs/torso, maybe even pads. There are so few distinct greaves as well that I'm more than sure we'll get those too.

Carcharodons are a complete mystery to me in terms of cosmetics, I guess shark themed pauldrons with teeth etc.

>>544626725
>>544624793
>Dark Angels Chapter Pack
x2 Helmets
x1 Chest
x1 Left Shoulder
x1 Champion Skin
x2 Weapon Skins
x8 Successor Paint Schemes

>Raven Guard Cosmetic Pack
x1 Helmet (w/ alt variant)
x1 Chest
x2 Shoulders
x8 Successor Paint Schemes

>Space Wolves Chapter Pack
x1 Helmet
x1 Chest
x1 Right Shoulder
x1 Left leg
x1 Champion Skin
x3 Weapon Skins
x8 Clan Paint Schemes

>White Scars Chapter Pack
x1 Helmet
x1 Chest
x1 Shoulder
x1 Champion Skin
x3 Weapon Skins
x8 Successor Paint Schemes

>Imperial Fist Cosmetic Pack
x1 Helmet (w/ alt variant)
x1 Chest
x2 Shoulders
x8 Successor Paint Schemes

>Blood Angels Cosmetic Pack
x1 Helmet (w/ alt variant)
x1 Chest
x1 Shoulder
x8 Successor Paint Schemes

>*New* Salamanders Cosmetic Pack
x1 Helmet (w/ alt variant)
x2 Shoulders
x1 Power Pack
x4 Successor Paint Schemes

Controls seem to be bugging out a lot.

FYI the regular bolt pistol has been buffed hard in the PTS.

>Gun strike damage is identical across every weapon now
>Bolt pistol only deals about 10% less DPS than the HBP
>Way more ammo than the HBP and PP

>>544591809 (OP)
This thread has been commandeered by the Ordo Xenos.

Post Deathwatch Marines.

>shooting the infinigger spore mines from two biovores because the retards who made this game don't know how to design enemies that are fun to fight
>don't notice that they're right next to some gas canisters because the brain in a jar section of Exfiltration is dark as fuck
>I'm barely on the edge of the explosion radius and it kills me
I don't know why I'm even bothering with this vodka nigger piece of fucking shit when Darktide exists. The Eastern European misanthropic spite practically emanates from this game.

>>544637853
>when Darktide exists
Because Darktide isn't fun on any level.

>>544637958
The force greatsword is way more fun than every single melee weapon in Space Marine 2.

>>544638103
It's honest to fuck the same shit as the Power Fist. You spam your ranged AOE move because it's the best part of the kit.

>>544638317
As effective as power fist farts are I hate that this is what became of the weapon in SM2. I mean giant AOE wave isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind when PF is mentioned in the context of 40k. I get it, without this blast the weapon is nothing but it's waaay overbuffed.
Also imagine the havok if we had terminators with two power fists in the game.

>>544638559
The ranged part of the Power Fist is cool, the problem more than anything is that it's a happy accident that has stuck around because it's the only thing that made the weapon good. It should have a fitting visual effect of the air visually getting fucked as its jettisoned like a bullet towards the target. Saber hasn't even touched the perk that say ranged buffed from 4 meters to 8 meters (actually 10 to 20 meters).

Help, I'm a boring ass motherfucker who keeps going back to Raptor marines.

I love every single chaos warp in spawning 3 leaping faggots that cannot be dodged or parried together.

>>544624793
>If the Salamanders pack is anything to go by, I am not looking forward to future non-Champion skins.
What do you mean Brother? Look at all those goodies that come with this smashing pack! It's a bargain!

>>544642629
God it is actually dogshit. Someone at Saber must despise Salamanders for this to happen after the Sniper Champion debacle.

>>544642629
As someone who actually dislikes the salamanders this is just cruel... they didn't even get a chest plate

>>544645761
Half the successors of every other pack, a shit helmet, a gaudy left shoulder, and no weapon skins to make up for any of it. It's vile how spiteful this pack feels.

I am Mortifying this thread.

>>544642629
Beautiful. Sallys really have been done dirty. Who in their right mind saw that and greenlit it?

>>544645761
At least they already have a champion
>it's the sniper
L M A O

>>544654663
>>544654794
The only way the devs could even remotely make up for this is by making the Salamander champ chest, among other parts, available to every class.

>>544620638
Power rake

>>544611118
pick up the cup

>>544655349
True, but expecting them to make that is a veeery long shot. Meanwhile they did bare minimum with these successors. It's really a joke how little effort they put into something that isn't a champion skin.

>>544656343
I'd have forgiven the lack of successors if we got like 2-3 more armor parts in this pack. It's not like Saber didn't know the Salamanders only have like 9 successors, 2 of which are rumored, and another 2 don't have any imagery at all.

>>544620638
Rake and Whirl since you both need to do a light attack to even gain access to

>>544656343
At least the pauldron shield looks good. Might be the best looking one in the game now.
They could've totally not included the power pack sconce too. Not only did they include it, but they even lit it. That's effort I didn't expect Saber to put in.

What're some sick blood angel successors other than flesh tearers or lamenters?

>>544648628
I AM RAINBOW WARRIOR'ING THIS THREAD

>>544661270
Blood dragons are near marines malevolent assholes

>>544661859
>AI generated lgbt bluesky sloppa chapter
Hard pass.

>>544662118
>near marine malevolent
Marines malevolent chapter pack when?

Space King collab pack when?

>saber confirmed the other 3 chaos chapters won't be in
>no word bearer warpsmith

fuck this gay earth

>>544661270
Literally they're all lame. 90% of them are, "We're exactly like the Blood Angels except we're even MORE (Blood Angels trait)".

>>544620638
It has two and those are its best attacks by far.
Heavy stance light swings are pretty unique as light attacks because they can possibly just keep you safe through a horde forever but they are slower to kill even minoris than a rake or whirl.

>>544661859
*steals your look*

>Today I will take Heavy Bolt Pistol on Assault to help deal with flying enemies
>Get Vortex
>Get to boss
>Takes like 8 shots to kill a single tentacle

Why do they hate this class

>>544667087
All bolt weapons do 0 dmg to the tentacles/Vortex beast. At least assault has the fist compared to someone like sniper.

>>544667087
>Assault
first mistake

>>544661270
Atlantean spears, cool space wizards with a look that isn’t just a slightly different red colored blood angel

>>544669213
Yeah but that it is a mistake is proof that the devs hate the class

>>544663034
At this point I don't think they are pigeonholed by Gays Workslop, this is literally all on them no longer interested in developing SM2 any further.

>>544657640
Yeah, the brazier looks nice, but even so. It's evident they skimp on cosmetics for a game that should revolve around truckload of options. My best guess is similar to >>544671357 Not only that but look at the games they're currently developing:
>Jurassic Park: Survival
>Painkiller reboot
>Turok: Origins,
>some Avatar: The Last Airbender game,
>KOTOR remake (they publically stated they're working on it despite the setbacks btw),
>Space Marine 3,
>Toxic Commando

They're not R* with thousands of devs to spare, so they're more than likely delagating SM2 devs to work on different projects leaving the game with a skeleton crew at best. Patch 11 at the end of November? Give me a break. A full team of devs would've been able to iron out most stuff within a week or two and pump out much more content on the fly at that. I'm not saying SM2 is in maintenance mode but it might as well be. Just my two cents.

>>544656343
>I have to buy Salanigger skins to have a halfway decent Iron Snake look

AHĤHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!!

11.0 pyreblaster sounds fucking insane now that they're making burn damage count as ranged damage.
https://youtu.be/eLj20dHEqrk?si=bIxSD7qdcgCNF0iN
Not only will your pyre tacs' ranged scores probably be able to compete with heavies now, but you get chp back too.
Meaning your burn victims will passively restore your hp for you.

>hard strat already literally impossible
>60% of the games have massive server lag despite everyone being sub 50ping
BRAVO SABER
B R A V O

Salanigger tears are delicious and also incredibly fucking annoying when I can't escape it. Who knew the chapter for bleeding hearts of virtue would be so insufferable when they don't get special treatment to make up for a lack of represented successors which isn't even Sabers fault

>>544683759
Impossible with random teammates.
Easy solo.

Are Iron Hounds cool?

>>544688962
I can reach the end solo but can't kill the boss, it's moveset is too fucking bullshit if he decides to focus you.

>>544619626
Iron Hands.

>>544619626
Phantom Links

>>544689205
The Iron Hands are very cool.

>>544692094
Block, faggot.

>>544592363
Rollan

>>544693846
>Salamander Heavy w/Pyrecannon
Nice

I love my beautiful wife!

>>544592363
Fuck it

>>544637853
Because Darktide sucks even worse.

>>544637853
Because Darktide is worse.

>>544692964
>least popular first founding chapter
>universally agreed to be turbocringe garbage
>t-they're cool!
contrarianism is a hell of a drug

on the off chance you confused them with iron warriors, you are forgiven. those dudes are indeed cool unlike the iron hands

How could they even be adapted into the game? Don't they have insanely lethal technology?

>>544655349
That’s not good enough. Especially since the chest piece sticks out like a sore thumb, since it’s an Eliminator chest piece.

>>544696453
Imagine if their faction specific debuff is just taking off half your max/current health and if you're below threshold you just fucking die.

>>544662564
Never

>>544696453
Flayed Ones are the only way. Mindless killing machines, like metal Nids. Maybe a proper Necron lord as a boss.

>>544696453
They would be almost identical to Tsons. Changes between them are cosmetic. They have those same gimmicks and themes down to being egyptian slow moving, robotic, devoid of thought mostly ranged enemies, teleporting away and rebuilding themselves after defeat, while being ruled and commanded by (tech)mages

>>544697220
>Canoptek Wraith
>Canoptek Spyder
>Warriors
>Immortals
>Destroyers
>Flayed Ones
>Deathmarks
What else? Lychguards and Praetorians?

Don't you love it when you throw a Krak and a stupid fucking Nidder decides to rush you and blows you the fuck up? Lost the goddamned gene seed.

>>544696453
Pretty much nothing's off the table when we're killing squads of terminators at a time, multiple carnifexes per mission and literal titans.

>>544698079
That's true I guess. Space Marine power creep in this game was real.

>>544698079
Veridian and Talasa are starting to make Titus look small by comparison.

>>544698079
There's a whole breadth of enemies they could use. I know Necrons and Tau got a refresh so the units for them aren't all up to date, but it's some theory crafting on what could be done with these factions.

>>544699167
>Autarch Boss
After finishing Voidstalker there's no way in Hell we beat that bullshit. First Claw got their dicks slapped while they were in Terminator plate.

>>544699751
We already 'fought' a Bio-Titan. I don't see how some bosses on there wouldn't work as environmental fights. Besides, we're playing as named Astartes with plot armor. We'd be fine.

Diving into 40k lore there's just one real thing that bothers me...
Why the fuck do the chill Eldar and Imperium not band together to fight the horrific, comically evil shit that wants them both dead or enslaved? Surely the differences mean nothing in the face of Oblivion from either chaos rape, Tyranid vore, or Necron enslavement/genocide.

>>544699167
>tau
>what if we take chaos and amp up range spam 10x


would be cancer

>>544700605
>Dmitry Grigorenko likes this

>>544700148
We fought a Bio Titan using multiple, multibarreled Las cannons. That's perfectly plausible. There's no way in Hell we can beat an Autarch in a straight up fight. Like I said, multiple named marines fought an Autarch and she would've killed all of them if it weren't for them killing each other and her taking her Eldar time to do her Eldar bullshit (fucking talking and not shutting up).
>>544700320
Eldar are stuck up assholes at the best of times, especially due to Fulgrim fucking over Eldrad pre Heresy when he tried to parlay, then he virus bombed a number of Maiden Worlds. Humans rightfully distrust them because they're always trying to fuck over the entire race because they keep trying to change the future, and a lot of that involves killing humans. Many wanted us to go extinct because it would kill Chaos, but let's not forget, it was those pieces of shit orgy-ing Slaanesh into existence that destroyed the Dark Age of Technology humanity, who had basically achieved the Emperor's goal of being a galaxy controlling Empire that wasn't reliant on Chaos.

>>544698660
If Veridian and Talasa were with Titus in their last stand before Calgar showed up, that Helbrute was as good as dead.

>>544700320
Because the imperium was literally built upon human supremacy and genociding aliens, the hatred to xenos is a central part of state ideology, political strategy and belief of the masses.
Most eldar don't even consider humans to be people, they attribute zero value to a human life unless it can be spent to prolong an eldar life.

>>544700789
Sure, I see your point, but Bio Titan is supposed to on the level of an Imperial Titan, plus it could've been an environmental fight where we might get some support, artifact etc. to help in a fight.

>>544700789
>We fought a Bio Titan using multiple, multibarreled Las cannons. That's perfectly plausible.
Yeah, right as if that makes it better. You could do anything you want in a medium that's video game. Plausability is a secondary factor here.

>>544701075
>>544701368
What don't you guys understand about Las cannons? If we were fighting a Warlord we could've won that shit. If I read about 3 Marines usung a fortress for cover while they used the Las cannons to kill a Bio Titan, it wouldn't make me raise an eyebrow. Autarchs are faster than an Astartes eye can see, durable as fuck, are as strong as a Marine, and have weapons that cut through Terminator armor like it's not even there.

>>544702589
One of them did mention Bio titan being an environmental fight, which is perfectly doable with any enemy. What about the Hive Tyrant or Trygon for that matter? Or the fact that 3 Astartes can literally munch through hundreds upon hundreds of Tyranids, a lesser demon and traitor marines, a heldrake, dreadnaughts, helbrutes and sorcerers? After all the ops we're basically reaching this point >>544698660

Where do you draw the line? I'm all for pushing the boundaries as long as it's fun (protip: it's saber so it would look cool but probably play like amped up sekiro/dark souls).

>>544699167
I like those infographs. Keep em coming Brother.
>>544699751
>Avatar of Khaine can get his shit pushed in multiple times
>somehow Autarch would be immune to getting rekt
>by dudes who are literal plot devices pushing the story forward
>Press X to doubt

>>544698660
Damocles needs to pick up the pace when Titus gets back to 2nd Company. The main campaign is actually looking tame in comparison to the Ops, but Titus still has Graia under his belt, so I won’t count him out just yet.

>>544703317
Don’t forget the Mutalith Vortex Beast

>>544703317
The Tyrant fight is plausible, just not very probable. It did have a giant piece of bridge stuck through it and had fallen several stories to be crushed by rubble. The Trygon fight, is debatable. In Sons of Corax, 1 marine and his 2 surviving scouts, one of which had his face melted off by a spore mine, are able to kill one. 3 tooled up Primaris with a shit ton of Melta charges could get it done. I draw the line at shit a Marine has no chance of killing in any way but blowing himself up and having a Dreadnought come by to crush the remains into paste. The hundreds of Nids is a gameplay liberty. The Heldrake was primarily focused on guarding the Warp Beacon and was severely weakened by the Relic, haven't read any post Heresy Thousand Sons books so I don't know how effective Rubricae are in a fight, a Helbrute is possible, a lone Guardsman killed one in Ghost Maker, and the Sorcerers are explicitly "Lesser" Sorcerers, so yeah.

>>544703880
The only Avatar of Khaine fight I've read in a book is Fulgrim. I hear they're used to show how strong someone is by making them job all the time though. Once again, read a fucking book, an Autarch in lore isn't the same as your faggy table top.
>>544705475
A bunch of Guardsmen killed one in Gaunt's Ghosts. I hear they're a lot stronger than that, like ludicrously, but I don't know, maybe it was a baby?

Has anyone done the math on power axe as to what the best combo is?

>>544706549
>The only Avatar of Khaine fight I've read in a book is Fulgrim.
Funny, people usually throw a hissy fit at a mere mention of Avatar of Khaine getting demolished. He is of course a literal punching bag though who got fucked up by likes of Fulgrim (as you said), Calgar, bunch of carnifexes (which our boys beat on the regular), you also had a genestealer-corrupted one who was finished by none other than Yvraine.
>I hear they're used to show how strong someone is by making them job all the time though
Indeed, which in itself is already an inconsistency that serves as precedent to make all kinds of enemies bosses in a video game.
>>544706549
>I don't know, maybe it was a baby
That's nitpicking and your own supposition. It's a boss unit, which means it's stronger than anything we meet on the ship prior to that fight. And we kill it at the end of the operation. Everything beyond what we see and hear is speculation unless some dev/writer goes on record to sell us the backstory of how underdeveloped this beast was.

>>544708856
Just because some of it is bullshit doesn't mean all of it is bullshit. The Vortex Beast is a step too far, but everything else is plausible.

>>544706340
Why move the goalposts that much brother?
>The Tyrant fight is plausible, just not very probable
>The Trygon fight, is debatable
> I don't know how effective Rubricae are in a fight
Are we discussing in lore events or a video game? Those are facts. We beat those units/bosses in the game. Whether it's the plot, an oversight on Saber's part or Divine providence as to why we and by extension characters we control were able to beat said enemies is irrelevant. I accept your examples, but the thing is a game is such a medium that doesn't need to, for better or worse, adhere to lore constraints. You may not like but that's how games have worked, even more so since devs decided to adapt literature, comic books etc. into games.

>>544706340
>a Helbrute is possible
I can confirm it's VERY possible. Last game I had 4 of them, on top of other bullshit.

lol the weekly is a nightmare. even on normal guys run off and get their asses kicked so i die when i am the hp guy

Does the game bug out and flat out not load perk trees on some missions? Thought my hammer was working wrong.

40k has been an established IP for long enough, and under enough writers, that it's about as bad for power wankery as comic books are at this point. There's an example and counter-example of everybody interacting with everybody else from a million different POVs with a million different extenuating circumstances. And even if there were coherent power levels in the setting (which there aren't), the SM2 playable marines are named characters and named characters beat literally everything. Traitor primarch boss when.

>>544703317
The bio titan is taken down by environmental interaction but it is completely improbable how it occurs or is portrayed to occur. The titan would have destroyed the lascannons after the first volley, if somehow the hivemind did not know what a lascannon turret was and dismantled it with the swarm beforehand. At most it is an incredibly embellished retelling, the squad has to be lucky that the cannons are still intact, one guy carefully sneaks in while the others distract the swarm away, then they had to finish the titan in a single salvo.

Also high difficulty operations are probably not canon. Substantial or lower, best I can do.

>>544713994
Absolute damage values on players
But with Substantial-Ruthless health values for enemies

>>544703317
>What about the Hive Tyrant
You dropped a bridge on it to soften it up before had. Its doing its entire fight impaled on a girder so i can give it a pass that a fireteam with no real AP but some kraks can finish it off
Trygon is absolute bullshit though, no fucking way talasa doesn't get turned to salsa against it.

>>544714427
>ruthless
Warriors take a lot of headshots with a bolter to die at this level.

>>544696503
>Especially since the chest piece sticks out like a sore thumb, since it’s an Eliminator chest piece.
Anon, read the post. They're fully redesigning certain Champion parts to fit Tacticus and Gravis.

Does the desync affect the parry windows on the perfect parry mutator? I kept feeling like I'd wait for the moment before the hit, press the parry, and the animation would skip half a second forward to the middle of taking damage

>Reliquary
2/3 today bois.

>>544713994
Statistically the bio-titan does 6 damage to a bastion in the shooting phase.

Do not gaze upon that foul demon, brothers!

>>544722493
>dodge a biosword attack
>the nid finishes his attack animation in the middle of my dodge
>a full second after the attack animation finishes, when my dodge animation finishes, I get hit
Alright fine

this modifier should only transfer hp damage and not armor

>>544696231
welcome to the thread.

What's a Chapter that would become infinitely better with like 2-3 changes?

Dude these fucking gants on the hardmode stratagems are ridiculous, you just get shot to shit by fleshborers trying to do anything.

>wrapped bolt sniper has literally zero ammo consequences because of both sniper's prestige perk and bolt sniper's ammo return perk, and also can do enough damage in a single hit to instantly kill a zoan from cloak
>CHP from flamer DOT rendering tactical and heavy god mode so long as they don't run out of ammo and targets in flaming range
>bolt pistol now has the same gun strike damage as heavy bolt pistol and is also just a better gun, if not the best secondary in the game
>block power axe can one tap a terminator
how long until they walk any of these back
how much of this will even make it to live

>>544733842
This sort of balancing is exactly what I expect from saber. I imagine they'll be perfectly happy to keep them as is, and maybe buff bulwark while they're at it. Assault on the other hand can throw a fucking beach party.

>>544732769
Iron Hands would maybe get some more love if they looked like actual AdMechs instead of having the lamest all-black design in 40K. Red + metallic silver + gold.

Is there something going on with aim magnetism or something? When I use the stalker damage variant I have to shoot up and to the right in order to actually get headshots

>>544735841
No. Headshots have always just been finnicky in this game. Aim for the absolute apex of the enemy's head, like your bullet would skirt off their scalp.

What determines how much weapon mastery xp you get from missions? I do a single quick match on substantial and only get 1.7k mastery when i get around 2k xp from clearing

>>544735546
Something like this?

>>544736339
Fukkin spot on. Instantly sells "yeah these dudes are Mechanicus adjacent."

We that dead right now, huh?

>>544741341
Early yuro hours, burgers are asleep. Such is the life in the Imperium Brother.

the worst part about this weekly is that because it thinks two people are full hp it spawns less medkits so if the one guy eats a wound he's got fuckall chance to clear it
the two should be able to lose their armor before hits start registering to the guy

>>544701075
Biotitan is t13 30 wounds, it's in between titan and knight status. Closest equivalent is actually a Stompa

>>544655349
>Only Champion parts
>They're not going to do anything with the Deathwatch shoulder for Bladeguard/Gravis, or the Battle-Worn (Tyrannid) shoulder for Tacticus/Phobos
God these devs are shit.

>>544699167
Avatar of Khaine should be minoris, they're free kills in lore. Would also update the necrons line with the new minions from the Kill Team they just got

>>544699167
Eldar aren't really a swarm faction. They would never throw thousand of eldar at the problem, so they really would have no minoris counterpart.

>>544631820
Kinda glad I saw this because now I know what to expect out of an Iron Hands pack.

Are Deathwatch actually badasses or are they jobbers that people rep because muh black and red colors?
My Tact is DW with Ultramarine right pauldron

>>544744932
>new minions from the Kill Team they just got
like pic related?

>>544750964
I bet it'll have a cybernetic augument helmet, a shoulder pad or two, and a right arm cybernetic with a huge logo

>>544754031
>a cybernetic augument helmet
i remember it was already datamined and posted itt sometime ago

>>544754031
Based on what we've consistently seen. It'll be

>helmet with the Iron Hand logo on the forehead, and a version without the logo
>1/2 shoulders
>1 chest
>5 possible successors: Brazen Claws, Iron Fists, Iron Lords, Red Talons, Sons of Medusa
>note: The Knights of Byzantium and Steel Confessors both lack official primaris GW heraldry, and the Star Dragons are only suspected
>2/3 weapon skins
>champion skin for techmarine most probable, and will be separated like all the rest. this will be what comes with the cybernetic limbs you can use elsewhere and they'll be plastered in IH symbology lol

>>544755369
Successors have already been datamined.

>>544754767
>i remember it was already datamined and posted itt sometime ago
I gotta say, the level of detail Saber gave to this particular IH wargear is absolutely astounding.

>>544755517
So I was spot on.

Sons of Medusa should lead to us getting Roman numeral kneepads, presuming Saber aren't fucking gay.

>>544755864
Why are the Sons of Medusa so much cooler than the Iron Hands?

>>544756170
A cog has more nuance than IHs.

>>544755517
>only 4 successors
and each one with more to them then their founding chapter, comedy gold
>>544755706
fukken kek xd

>>544756170
They have shit actually going on that makes them intriguing. By all technicalities, they're not even an official Chapter. They're a rogue segregate of the Iron Hands, born after the Mechanicus decimated itself in the Moirae Schism, and the Imperium shrugged its shoulders about and said "yeah alright, you can stay."

I am purging this thread of daemonic filth. Begone!

>>544756170
>Some tech priests run the Astronomicon through an oscilloscope and find actual, genuine messages from the Emperor
>These messages allow them to essentially predict the future, since they nearly all warn of events yet to happen and are 100% accurate
>Everyone reees and kills these tech priests
>Mexican standoff ensues within the Iron Hands and all their successors
>Moirae cult followers attempt to smooth things over by renouncing their beliefs, but all the chapters save for the Red Talons (who just kill them all) exile them
>They set up shop next to the ruins of the world those tech priests were from, adopt consistent markings to they're not just a ragtag warband, and proceed to start getting shit done thanks to their Emperor powered GPS
>Made a formal chapter just because they Imperium got tired of tracking two Iron Hands chapters and couldn't justify purging the second one when they're so much more effective and active than the originals
It's funny how the history and characterization they have serves to blunt the fact that they're the exact same kind of intolerable dickheads as their progenitors.

>>544768250
It's crazy how good the Sons of Medusa are. These fuckers actively hunt Astartes Chapters marked for termination like a sport. Not even because the give that much of a shit about you doing an Imperial no-no; they do it because they want your tanks and aircraft. They do it for the love of the game of building one of the largest mobilized fleets in the Imperium.

>>544756170
Name is cooler
Color scheme is better
Heraldry is more unique
Take parts of their parent but have their own unique identity
Are going to be in Astartes 2 which will vault them to one of the most popular chapters in the entire setting

>>544771753
kek

>>544771969
I don't know what that's meant to say.

>S__ALUS

>>544733842
They never walked back flamer from its PTS so hopefully they wont for any of these.

>>544773903
Patch 10 had no PTS.

>>544774047
point still stands
flamer is was OP from the beginning and they havent changed it since

>>544768741
What can get a chapter marked for termination other than turning traitor?
It would have to be a lot, considering they tolerate chapters like flesh tearers who're known for team killing.

>>544775187
There are a sizeable amount of non-chaos tainted Chapters marked as excommunicate traitoris even in the most present timeline. Dregs that can do nothing to restore their honor, but also aren't fans of getting their butthole fondled by any of the warp gods.

>>544775187
Badab War is a good example. The Lamenters and Mantis Warriors were only saved by their ignorance of what was going on. They fumbled into accidentally going against the Imperium because they were food allies with the Astral Claws who plotted the whole thing. So their punishment was the "light" sentence of a penance crusade. If there was even an inkling the two Chapters knowingly betrayed the Emperor, they'd have both been wiped out.

>>544776006
*good
Not food, silly slip of the finger.

>>544775187
The Flame Falcons had a gene seed mutation that caused them to burst into flames and it was super effective against warp creatures.
The Inquisition and Grey Knights purged the shit out of them.

>>544710617
I didn't move the goalpost, the bosses we fight in lore/game are totally believable and there are examples of them being taken down by groups or individuals with less than our squads have.

>>544714673
A Trygon kill has been made by Marines before. Prolog of Sons of Corax.

IDK I think I like the heroic chainsword more than block now. You dont have to wait for adrenaline surge stacks for it to be effective and the combos are actually somewhat engaging.

The bigger question is why our Thunderhawk didn't provide supporting fire.
Unless shit is so fucked at 2nd Company that we don't have the munitions for that shit.

>>544781223
You're finally free of the blocknigger deathcult and have seen the light.

>>544772142
I think it says "Sicarius". Did they steal his tank?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RaaWheWiDc

Vanguard is just a better Assault now.

>>544789731
Every class is always just better assault.

>>544787192
I think you're thinking too hard. The last four letters are pretty clearly A L U S, you'd have to imagine pretty hard to interpret it as sicarius.

>>544789731
>now
Assault is bad compared to every class but vanguard has been especially egregious in how much it just does everything assault does but more or better.

Speaking of assaults, I have played with one dressing as Iron Hand recently.
There was some cosmic irony to it I gotta say.

Lorefags, does Metaurus have 3 terminator cruxes or are some of these just normal decorations? How do you tell them apart? Do vets just keep earning cruxes to wear the same way all ultras keep earning laurels?

>>544789731
Assault's issue is that his big ticket damage output is tied to ground pound spam along with the fact that he can't make ranged damage irrelevant like Bulwark or get an entire tick his ability back to just by farting and zip around easily like Vanguard.

>>544791391
The entire class could be fixed by simply reworking the jump pack to do what it is supposed to do, fast movement, instead of being an ability that uses a charge it you should be able to either jump & pound or dash towards the enemy by "flying" on the ground, the ability should drain for the duration you use it and you should be able to activate it at any point as long as you have charge left.
There, the class is fully fixed without having to mess with maps or doing weird shit.

>hard strat
>mentally retarded white scar assnigger keeps face tanking venom cannons and stealing extremis executions
Yep, that's a return to battlebarge for me.

>>544789731
>now
vanguard had been a better assault from launch till the block rework

>>544792872
>keeps face tanking venom cannons
I do this when I play bulwark for too long then switch to another class.

Easy high A tier class now.

>>544591809 (OP)
HOLY BASED IRON HANDS BROTHER

>>544790803
No thats just a crux with a skull signifying veterancy. The Crux Terminatus is only on terminator armor.

>>544591809 (OP)

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>>544790449
Well assault bare head is the only one with cybernetics so it looks pretty cool as IH

Something really dumb that shouldn't bother me but does: Your last played Space Marine should be the one that shows up on the title screen.

>>544776006
>Badab War
I still can't believe GW suits saw that name and said "Yeah sounds good let's put it in the lore, Mr. Writerman"

>>544710152
>The Vortex Beast is a step too far,
I was like
>eh, it doesn't really feel like it, let's check it's stats, maybe with some perfect dice rolls
And then I saw 13 wounds. What the absolute fuck? Back in my day, only vehicle armour value could go above 10, what the fuck did they do to this game?

>>544794158
8th edition dropped vehicle armour and boosted damage and health everywhere to increase granularity or something. Haven't checked what things are like now because I've dropped the main game for side games but in 8th edition a lascannon would deal D6 wounds with a single hit and vehicles would have dozens of wounds. And yeah, tanks had wounds. I assume they still do.

>>544794053
Compared to Angron who's main character trait is that he is angry? Compared to Ferrus Manus (Latin for Iron Hand) who has iron hands and leads the Iron Hands who have iron hands from the flagship Hand of Iron? Compared to Corvis Corax (Latin and Greek for Raven Raven) who leads the Raven Guard and has a lot of bird feathers everywhere? We're not supposed to take any of this seriously

>>544794053
40k was always meant to be supremely campy, brosef.

Lion El Johnson?
Angry person called Angron?
Crow dude called Corvus Corax?
Leader of the Death Guard called Mortarion?
Ultramar's marines called Ultramarines?
Orks in general?
Ferrus Manus?
Come on now.

>>544793920
That would be really cool actually

>>544793469
Finally, a man of taste!

>>544794647
Just because it's on the nost at times doesn't mean you shouldn't take it seriously. Not everything has to be 2deep4u bullshit.

>>544794761
>>544794647
the difference is Badab is not a reference to anything, there's no joke, just a silly sounding name

>>544796034
Is Lion El Johnson or Ultramarine a reference to anything? No, it's just a silly name in a very silly setting.

>>544794647
>>544794761
Pic related is my personal favorite

>>544796575
based 1st ed enjoyer

>>544795657
I prefer the camp, minus the changes 5th edition did to the Necrons, the fact that they were universally abducting human blanks across the galaxy to make pariahs was actually really interesting
>>544796321
Ultramarine is very much a reference to the color ultramarine blue, and Lion is a reference to the gay poet Lionel Johnson

>>544796575
SOVL

>>544796321
>>544797003
Goes even further than that. The Rock was the name of a gay bar on the same block as GW back in the '80s. Pure coincidence that the Dark Angels are also driven to hide a secret that they feel would make others look at them differently if said secret was learned.

>>544796575
The yin-yang symbol is the best part.
>>544797003
But if those are fine, why isn't the worst infighting since the Horus Heresy taking place in the Badab sector not fine? It was bad, after all, any way you look at it.

>>544798136
I don't mind the name for the Badab war either, you're twisting my words

>>544776006
The Executioners pretty much knew what they were getting into, but they helped Huron anyway due to their ancient blood oath. They were not wiped out. Sure, the Salamanders praised their honor and that probably helped, but still.

>>544796575
Based Brother. That's a dope design.

>>544793610
>Missing Raptor Dude #2 was added;
Based, thanks Wall Anon. Your work is appreciated as always!

>join 1/3 obelisk in progress
>the host is running away from a full-health helbrute
>kill it for him
>the host auspexes it while it has like 5% health left
>yeah thanks i guess
>he beelines the lift
>check for the relic
>while i'm coming back the host starts pinging the lift
fucking hutzpah

guess who's back
also fuck this new captcha holy shit

>>544801882
Is this the tech marine?

>>544805050
I am sorry

>>544700789
>eldrad decides to do some classic eldar “convincing”
>chooses fulgrim of all people
>somehow the purple and gold trimmed perfumed space marines obsessed with perfection and hedonism do not ring a bell about anything in his mind
>neither does the fulgrim sword that contains a keeper of secrets
Eldar are clowns. Halrequins are less clowny than craftworlders. Don’t forget their hilarious attempt on angron’s life which indirectly fed one of the potentially great primarchs straight into khorne. Oh and let’s not forget their attempt to murder the most human primarch (vulkan) also due to some autistic prophecy

>>544806060
The entire setting is rife with characters and factions making the worst possible decision at any given point with reason and common sense only seeing the light of day to prevent total galaxy death.
If anything, I appreciate it, because it makes things like Black Templars dying to the last man to protect a ritual being carried out by a Biel-tan farseer on a Mechanicus world to prevent some shitass tech priest from making the tyranids look like the better option that much more poignant.

>>544807634
>Black Templars dying to the last man to protect a ritual being carried out by a Biel-tan farseer on a Mechanicus world to prevent some shitass tech priest from making the tyranids look like the better option
sounds ridiculous. link or a keyword to google that?

Jesus Christ how the fuck could anything hope to stop the tyranids? This lore makes them seem like a universe ending threat, not just galaxy threatening.

We need playable Librarians.

>>544812197
we kill the emperor
the resulting psychic shockwave kills the nid

>>544812197
Necrons are pretty much the only hope. They hard counter them.

>>544812480
The way the setting currently is seems to imply that the failure of the emperor's gambit means the galaxy is doomed to be eaten by either the tyanids or chaos unless the necrons can conjure some truly ridiculous bullshit.
A united and well managed, emperor led human galaxy probably would have had good odds for at least being such a pain to consume that the tyranids just redirect towards a different galaxy.

>>544812480
>preorder space marine 3 today!

>>544812197
I know right? Thats why they are such a good antagonist. Their true extent is unknowable and their origin is a complete mystery, but its implied that all of intergalactic space has hive fleets scattered throughout. Very fun stuff.

>>544811743
Gods of Mars

>>544812648
Necrons are pretty much the only hope for the galaxy at all. They are the only thing that can reliably fight Nids and Chaos and win. Mankind should just submit and let them have the milky way. They were here first anyway.

>>544813139
uh-oh. this better not be an utter disappointment like 9/10 black library novels i read so far

>>544813439
Necrodermis hands typed this post.

>>544813050
That one image of the hive fleets surrounding the galaxy and enchroaching on it like the closing maw of a truly incomprehensibly large monster for whom each hive ship is but a single cell of its vast body absolutely captivated me. But of course, we don't actually know.
The question of "where did these bugs come from" is one of those that should never be answered, because as long as it's a question, it'll continue to captivate better than any answer ever could.

>>544806060
He had food and drink set up and had a nice, calm conversation until Fulgrim had a melty at the truth. The Sword also hadn't corrupted him at that point. This was like his first dip into its power. The EC also hadn't had any kind of fall either. Eldar are clowns though. I roll my eyes and either speed read or skip whatever part of the story they're in. The only times I found them acceptable was in Voidstalker because the Voidstalker was legitimately scary (Also, funny enough just like with everything else, them trying to change the future ensured Decimus would one day come for them. You'd think they'd learn after 10k years.) and in Legion because it was just 1 of them in the Cabal.

note to self: don't jump near the nid spawnpoint during the first segment of the siege.

Guys, what if Fulgrim can be redeemed?

>>544814520
looks like you got taken by pennywise

>prestige disables all your perks
FOR WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE

>>544814849
to waste your time

>>544814849
for checking if you can actually play the game or are carried by your perks.

>>544814849
Are you serious? This has been in gaming for decades.

>>544814849
Only hell for Bulwark until you get the shock grenade perk and for Assault it's pretty hell until you're halfway

Back then people can max prestige running Absolute Decapitation, can't do that anymore so fuck Saber

>>544813738
Ouroboris and tiamet invading the galaxy about 6000 years ago and ouroboris' point of origin being almost the exact opposite of most tyranid incursions implies the extragalactic void is indeed populated to some degree by isolated tyranid hive fleets and that they vary greatly in size.
The frequency and concentration of recent hive fleet invasion paths also implies the recent invasions are just part of a single fleet and that the galaxy has been almost entirely engulfed by it for a few hundred years.

>>544813738
Created as a final revenge by the Old Ones and sent out into the void with a preprogrammed desire to eventually return and buttfuck everything in the galaxy.

>>544815494
Considering that a lot of planets have creatures that are just feral nids that have been reclaimed by nature. like the krakens on Fenris, and the frozen nids that Cain found, it feels to me like the nids are just 40k's version of Mass Effect's Reapers.
They sweep through galaxies to scrubs them clean and then new life forms while the fleets retreat to the void and go dormant.

>>544793578
>Mk6 Crux Terminatus shoulder

>>544818080
is not cannon

>>544818329
But it is. You can wear the Crux Termie when not in Terminator armor. It's more like a universal badge that says "I am Terminator authorised, I'm just in casual clothes right now."

A lot of Bladeguard Vets are Terminator certified.

>>544818638
Being Terminator certified is the 40k equivalent of being forklift certified irl.

>"Hey just in case you didn't realise you had low armour here's an obnoxious vignette to obscure your vision"
I hate modern game design.

>>544817939
Reapers only killed intelligent life. Nids consume everything, including bacteria. It would take hundreds of millions of years for life to evolve from nothing again, if it did at all.

Vanguard good. The tyranid prime fight better not suck.

>>544820083
They also siphon the oceans and atmosphere from planets. It would be basically impossible for life to return to a planet fully harvested by nids.

Am I reading this right? The Mechanicus cult refuses to create anything new, or "the sin of innovation/invention", and kills anything that tries because Heresy? No wonder mankind is so fucked in this setting. Its scientists are retarded.

>>544820301
I don't get how you can introduce an enemy like this. 40k is supposed to be eternal stalemate and tug of war but Nids are completely unstoppable. Doesn't lend itself well to the stalemate status quo.

>>544820353
Correct but their retarded practices are justified because your invention may inadvertently summon an actual literal demon into reality and destroy entire planets. So their best option is to pray they find blueprints from a time in humanity's past that had yet to be corrupted by the warp.

>>544820590
Because it creates more conflict beyond the status quo. Its interesting and fun.

>>544820353
*faint sound of Belisarius Cawl laughing in the distance*

>>544820725
I don't know. Everything else feels like it has a weakness or limit to it but these lizard bugs seem like they're just going to steamroll everything. Even grimdark needs an spark of hope to keep you caring.

>>544814938
I play assault so its back to the normal difficulty mines for me

>>544821415
if you've got relic weapons you most certainly don't have to drop back to substantial
if you're good enough you can just go straight to lethal or even absolute

>>544820590
>but Nids are completely unstoppable
so are orks.
so are demons.
so would be necrons if they didn't malfunctioned.
so is indomitable human spirit.
it just sucks if you are a dying breed like eldar or a babby race like tau.

>>544821771
I exclusively use fist

>>544821890
So then you'll be fine on lethal

>>544821836
What if we domesticated the tau and turned their women into taucows like the Emperor intended?

>>544820353
Stagnation and change in this universe are vilified because every time humanity tried to do any of that shit post-heresy without the guidance of the Emperor, it almost always lead to horrible shit happening. Literal Chinese history tier "billions dead by starvation because the fancy microwave you made was actually a dimensional rift to the warp."

>>544821415
>>544821771
I always start on lethal when I prestige then once I get a few perks go up to absolute

>>544820301
They can terraform the planets again, there just isn't much of a reason to

Vanguard good reliquary bad.

>>544814520
I wish siege had bunkers.
You could have a heavy and tac shitting out ranged damage through the window slits while a bulwark keeps any excess enemies from flooding into the bunker entrance.

Would be peak comfy.

>>544814849
To keep you playing the game longer so you're more likely to buy cosmetic packs.

>>544824946
They can charge me 30 europoors for claws and id buy them, but thats it
Give me something of substance instead of little paint bottles

>>544825254
that's insane. free updates are good. go buy some tcg boosters or toy soldiers.

>>544825445
The point is that I want something I can use, not paint colors
If they release a dlc with actual content in it, ill happily take that
>free updates are good
We get a useless fist and a new mission wahoo

When we do eventually get lightning claws, what're the chances they'll be this kind instead of the tekko kind?

>>544826338
pretty much 0
I love the finger claws but those are 100% terminator weapons so not happening

>>544820353
the last time they did that the galaxy was set on fire in an event called the age of strife, it makes the horus heresy look like a hobo drum fire

>>544814597
Clonegrim exists and even has his own legion already lined up for him with the sons of the phoenix

>>544826338
At best you'll get one of each but one hand needs to be free for the pistols

Flamer funny.

>>544825735
You are a fucking retard

>>544827661
There are still people who adamantly argue the SoTP aren't Emperor's Children stock despite the fact all of their battles are described as "elegant" or "precise" or "grandiose." They are nothing like their supposed Imperial Fist originators.

>>544825735
>power axe comes out of beta testing now that it works with block
>bolt pistol is relevant again outside of the meme heroic
>bolt sniper rifle is top tier now thanks to its heroic
>pyreblaster's insane now that its dot recovers chp
>every weapon that could reach the damage cap is probably gonna be insane now that the damage cap is being removed
>they have enough time and feedback to fix assault's new dash attack by 11.0 live (they probably won't though desu)
>new mission is a nid one and it's space hulk inspired
>boss looks like a step up from the trygon and vortex beast too
>literally the update after this we're getting:
>a completely new class
>comes with a completely new melee weapon
>another new mission
>probably finally an actual training room like the first BB expansion should've been

Honestly, we give Saber a lot of shit, and rightfully so, they fuck up in a lot of ways very often. Credit where credit's due though.

It would be a disaster if they charged for all the shit they've released for free.
Imagine having to pay for enlightened tzangors, biovores, obelisk, vortex, or siege.

I would've been fucking pissed if I bought the power axe dlc full price when it came out only to learn the block version wouldn't work for fuckin 3 more months, in which there would've been a sale by then.

>>544829013
>Bolt Pistol Heroic
>Meme

>>544826650
I don't see how power fist sized lightning claws would be an issue if actual power fists aren't.

>>544828421
>wearing all the other armor pieces
Why aren't you wearing it, Anon?

>>544828421
something's wrong with your lips, brother.

>>544827661
>>544828826
Tell me about Clonegrim. Is he that classic mirror opposite of the real one? Like the egotistical pompous asshole who became humble and disgusted by his opposite self?

>>544829187
Its just a game thing
The finger claws have been exclusive to terminators
Not saying they cant do it, but itll likely just be the knuckle version
I say this as someone who really REALLY wants the finger nail version, thats the cool part of claws
It makes them claws, not glorified punching daggers

>>544829162
It's like .5% stronger than the HBP and has like 30% less ammo.

>>544829013
Wonder what the new class would be
I heard tech marine but thats lame
Also what other melees could they even add aside from claws?
chain axes?
I'm admittedly quite unfamiliar with spess marines

>>544829864
It IS Techmarine, and all hints point to him having the most interesting builds in the game as of now, because 50% of his perks change how his shoulder gun functions. It can be a sniper rifle that only targets Majoris, it can shoot incendiary rounds, it can automatically target and bombard areas like a mortar with plasma fire etc.

>>544829575
he exists only as a comedic device on the list of exploits of the cringiest nu-cron mary sue

>>544830028
Well I guess its something, anything on the melee weapon?
Im gonna assume techmarine will be the one getting it, so im assuming its not claws

Wait until they reveal one of the missing primarchs as a woman

You know this is coming

>>544830357
hopefully not before the end times 40,000

>>544830053
They're blatantly sitting on him as the surprise next loyalist Primarch to return. Everybody was adamant Lionel El'Johnson would never return and he did.

>>544829575
Basically

>Fabius Bile doing clone shit
>Makes a perfect clone of Fulgrim
>So perfect that Fabius is fucking baffled, he'd never achieved anything like this and never would again
>Fulgrim clone slowly but surely regains his memories, heavily implying Fulgrim's slunberkbg soul has possessed this clone
>Regrets everything
>Even has the godly Primarch aura, so powerful that it swayed the chaos-tainted Emperor's Children to this clone over the daemon Fulgrim, implying there's nothing left of the original in the Slaanesh fucktoy
>Fabius sells him out to Trazyn who keeps this clone like a Pokemon, because Fabius is terrified this Fulgrim is gonna repeat what the last one did

>>544829373
>>544829509
i refuse

>>544830546
*slumbering
Finger fuck moment on the keyboard.

>>544829693
>The finger claws have been exclusive to terminators
You think GW would give enough of a shit to stop them? If not, then surely Saber wouldn't give a shit at all.
>Not saying they cant do it, but itll likely just be the knuckle version
Even if nothing stopped them, it is Saber. Given the choice, they would probably settle for the ninja tekko cause it would be less work.
Then they'd just make the finger version anyway, make it the chaos lightning claw so it's pvp only and just a skin, then they'd only make it unlockable at whatever they raise the pvp level cap to that update (it's at 48 as of now.)
Like they fucking did with my chainaxe when they added the power axe...

>>544829575
Clonegrim inherited Fulgrim's soul and memories and was absolutely distraught about what his original self did in the past as well as what he was doing in the present.
Emperor's Children marines who had been giving themselves warp enemas for 10k years fell to their knees, renounced Slaanesh, and declared that they would fight in their pure father's name to safeguard humanity.
Then Fabius traded him to Trazyn for some geneseed because he was convinced that, despite everything, Fulgrim would always be Fulgrim and this clone would just end up repeating all the same actions. He's been in stasis ever since, but Cadia showed us that Trazyn isn't squeamish about letting his exhibits out of their pokeballs if doing so would lead to a better outcome, so the door is open to him coming back and helping Guilliman save the Imperium.

Don't get your hopes up.

>>544830749
It'd be pretty cool though, so maybe if people talk about it enough, it'll happen.

The Sons of the Phoenix being his sons would go hard. Everything in this design was made for his new loyalist forces. The emblems are similar, the coloring is similar, their names directly implying they are the children not of the Emperor, but the reborn Primarch, given a chance at redemption.

>>544830357
You know i feel like if something like this was done maybe like 15 or 20 years ago, it would be viewed as a neat little twist, as opposed to the obvious political pandering that it would clearly be today.

>>544830627
Or they make it the heroic
I wonder what the lighting claws gimmick would be
Flurry attacks aka actual speed fist?
Id love to see a charge attack where you scrape it along the ground
But it really should be a speed weapon to be the counterpart to fist being a slow charging machine

>>544831205
it would have required masterful levels of writing to pull off a Fem Primarch even back then

>>544831187
I hate to disappoint you, but the guy who created them has explicitly stated that they're sons of Dorn and that the resemblance is entirely accidental. He wanted a regal and ostentatious look to contrast with the Black Templar's more brutish and utilitarian zealotry.
There are implied Emperor's Children descendants in the lore already in the form of the Death Eagles and the Red Scorpions.

>>544831187
Imagine a swap

Clonegrim goes loyalist, another returning primarch goes traitor

>>544831736
What the original creator says doesn't really matter though, things can and do change depending on the next writer. The Soul Drinkers for example, they were Imperial Fists successors in the original origin, the "not actually" stuff came later.

What's the other one where the author said "they're successors of X chapter" and GW doesn't recognise it. Was it Taurans or Minotaurs?

>>544831736
>implied
>death eagles
There's no implication, they ARE loyalist EC.
>company of Emperor's Children called the death eagles stayed loyal and were recorded in BL books having fought alongside loyalists legions as blackshields
>their early chapter scheme was literally pre-heresy emperor's children
The only reason they aren't stated outright is because GW has a rule that chapters can't be stated as being descendants from traitor primarchs.

>>544832270
Minotaurs were Iron Warriors.

>>544820353
True AI will decide in literally fractions of a second without fail that humanity must be destroyed and it will do everything in its power to accomplish that. This happens without fail.
Humanity was nearly destroyed by a galaxy-wide rise of the machines.

>>544832470
Space Sharks were Night Lords

>>544832548
The men of iron were corrupted by chaos. No, I'm not joking.
Gaunt even finds a men of iron STC and it prints out a bunch of chaotic abominations.

>>544829864
>I heard tech marine but thats lame
Keep up, nigga.
And of course tech marines aren't lame. Mechanically, he's shaping up to be a top tier class, if not, the best one.
>Also what other melees could they even add aside from claws?
Well they probably aren't ever adding chainaxes now, since they're already in the game in the form of cosmetic chaos versions of the power axe.

If they're fine letting you bring an inferno pistol as assault, then they might as well let you duel wield power fists and lightning claws once those come.

There should be a hand to hand option imo, seeing as half the chainsword moveset is basically that already, most of the executions are barehanded, and there's a lot of media depicting marines using their barehands a lot in close quarters. I understand that the knife is the most naked you can get with melee in the tabletop, but still.

There's greatsword versions of power swords and chainswords, but they might consider those two handed only and not add them. Again, they might as well if they think inferno pistol assault is fine.

Chain knife could be a lot of fun. A version of the knife with finishers instead of infinite combos that's faster than the chainsword of course. We already have a power gladius as a heroic so power knives are out.

A version of the power fist that comes with bolters like Calgars' might be awesome. Might even go a long way towards fixing assault if it actually had range.
Making it different enough from the normal power fist that it won't might as well be heroic power fist 2.0 would require being able to use it like an actual ranged weapon, complete with ots aiming imo. Something I think is probably out of the current SM2 dev team's wheelhouse.
>I'm admittedly quite unfamiliar with spess marines
I know, baby.

>>544832956
That’s a funny way of spelling Raven Guard.

In a perfect world, we get dual wielded lightning claws as a speed centric weapon

Here's tech marine's leaked perk tree btw.
Gives you a decent idea of how good he'll be.
Also shout out to the based ass anon who put this together.

>halberd
LAAAAAAAAAAAME

>>544834080
That's an Omnissian Axe you uncultured swine.

>>544834140
>melee_power_halberd

>>544832956
No space sharks were probably loyalists that split from the Ashen Claws.

>>544833904
I'm really curious how Plasma Shot works, because it says "targeted area." I wonder if it works on the actual marker button? I'm also slanting this way because Killzone says Shoulder Gun itself marks an area, it's not targeted like Plasma Shot.

>>544833170
That was just because that planet had been iverrun with Chaos for so long. Remember, it was the Machine itself that was corrupted. There were still untouched Men of Iron in stasis around it. It was only when it was activated did we see the changed ones. Chaos can corrupt basically anything if it sits on it for long enough, but if Arch Enemy foces hadn't occupied the planet, they wouldn't have been affected. No soul = nothing to latch on to. It makes all the more sense as to why the Men of Irom would want to destroy humanity as they are unnaffected by Taint unless humans introduce it.

>>544834329
Saber can call it what they want, it's an Omnissian Axe.

>>544832956
*chimeric and sent the raven guard half for tithe

>>544831335
>I wonder what the lighting claws gimmick would be
What if they parried like the non-royal guard parry from devil may cry?
Your attacks basically turn into parries.
Then maybe they can fit a new move where the parry used to be, like some kind of grab attack or a faster lunge attack than a running attack, like a mini shield rush.

>>544835287
I'd rather Saber lean into what they did with the power fist even harder.

>Double power fists
>Hold the aim button
>You can now control precisely where your hadoukens go
>That's your ranged attack
>Hulk slam on motherfuckers in CQC

>Same with lightning claws but you scratch at the air and send quad lightning blades at people
>Full Wolverine in close range

Sometimes heroic knife feels good to use but most of the time it feels like a trap. IDK, they need to make perfect dodges closer to the timing for fencing or block.

>>544835287
Nah I feel like making it a spammy weapon would allow it to parry better because you would be interrupting your charge for it, the dash attack can be a lunge though
Maybe have consecutive attacks stronger, but let succesful parries continue the combo

>>544834367
The story about the void glass convinced me that the Carcharodons were created the guard it.
>Given to Corax by the Emperor
>Is able to impose someone's warp reflection onto reality, forcing everyone around to see and be seen as their "true selves"
>Gets stolen by dark eldar at some point
>A force including a chaplain, a librarian, serfs, and assorted battle brothers attempts to reclaim it
>They get their shit pushed in until one of the serfs is able to get his hands on it and activate it, forcing the dark eldar to see their own souls laid bare
>They all freak the fuck out in a combination of mindless fear and mindless rage and just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it
>Chaplain and librarian conclude that it's too dangerous for the chapter to keep in their armory or shrines because this forced materialization of the soul thing is implied to be tangential to its true purpose
>Librarian hides the relic on an isolated world and drops some serfs there to care for it while the chaplain goes to report the mission's failure
>Chaplain gets "executed", being sent to oversee and protect that world, meaning the chapter leadership agreed with their assessment

>>544834882
Regardless, halberds are sick.
That anon's tasteless.

>>544836198
>were created the guard it

>>544836432
Created to guard it.
My post was multiple ideas that coalesced into a single semi coherent thought. Typos are inevitable.

How have the Marines Malevolent not been marked as traitors?

>>544835606
Imagine the executions.

>>544836782
They're really, REALLY good at what they do to the point the Inquisition would rather not deal with them as an enemy force.

>>544836198
>40k has forced Ego manifestation/Distortion
Kino.
Nice thread, Space Marine babs.

>>544835606
I honestly hate the power fist. You spam charge attacks and that's it.
It's for people that think they want to play melee, but they really want to just speedruntranny through melee encounters and skip over as much depth as possible.

Meanwhile chainsword has a finisher for like every melee situation and can sequence break its combos by canceling its charge attack.

Knife has infinite combos, skull crushers, its own shoulder bash, and shadow stab.

Power sword is like the knife, except it's combo mode switch works differently, and it has a great pause combo instead of shadow stab.

Power axe is also like the knife, except it has multiple strong ass melee moves it can combo off parries, and whirl slashes are kinda better at crowd control than skull crushers

Finally the hammer's also shallow meme shit that's boring to use imo actually. Not really good for anything other than also spamming the one or two nuke moves it has iirc.

>>544838412
>has a finisher for like every melee situation

Reminder to keep kicking assault players until saber makes assault not dogshit.

>>544838538
Take note of the 'like'.
That being said, it is the most well rounded melee wespon.
>punch is good for setting gunstrikes up on minoris
>kick is a good gap closer for reaching backpedalers
>shoulder bash is a good all rounder for crowd control and dealing damage
>stomp is the ultimate crowd control finisher for when you're trying to clear minoris around you while dueling majoris+
I hope you weren't just spamming shoulder bashes.

>>544839474
>I hope you weren't just spamming the best attack the weapon has instead of pretending the fucking kick has any value

>>544839564
It comes out faster than the shoulder bash.
It's also a very meaty kick, which is aesthetically cooler than a shoulder bash imo.

If you don't give a shit about aesthetics and you're just gonna spam shoulder bashes like a meta retard, then you might as well full ass your meta retardation, just bring a power fist, and spam charged attacks instead.

Fuck it. Why pretend? Just play heavy at that point, bring your maxed out heavy plasma, and armchair away the melee entirely.

>>544840526
>if you're not playing like a retard then the only other option is that you're a total meta fag "speedrun tranny"
>a push kick is inherently more aesthetic than anything

>>544840526
You are a fucking retard

>>544840526
every fucking day I'm amazed at the new and retarded opinions of the shitters in this general

>>544833170
Many STCs get corrupted by chaos, it's not solid proof that the original product was corrupted by chaos.

>>544839474
>setting gunstrikes up on minoris
shoulder bash
>gap closer for reaching backpedalers
shoulder bash
>ultimate crowd control finisher for when you're trying to clear minoris around you while dueling majoris
shoulder bash
This game is made by retards and none of the mechanics or game design have had any thought put into them at all.
Most perks are made completely pointless by better competing perks, most attacks for each melee weapon are made completely pointless by one or two attacks in its moveset. A lot of the game design in SM2 just sucks because of how stupid and unintentionally simple it is.

>>544839564
The kick absolutely has value and it's for the reason he stated above. Sometimes you try to melee a gun nigger and he tries to run, but you can chase him down with the kick.

Normalize perfect dodge window to be similar to the timing on block or fencing.
Remove assault's base perk "increases perfect dodge window by 50%"
Replace it with "Assault deals 25% more damage"
Remove Overcharge and Auxiliary Arsenal
Replace them with "increase perfect dodge window by %" and "when armor breaks; reduce all incoming damage by %"
Remove jump pack dash using Q. Replace Assault's normal dash with jump pack dash. It costs no ability meter. Add a fucking huge smash attack that can be executed after a dash. This attack costs half of your ability meter.
Remove Ascension, replace with perk that increases your damage against enemies hit by the dash smash.

Pay me, Saber.

>>544840839
>if you're not playing exactly how chinese insect people have mathematically dictated is the most statistically efficient, then you're playing wrong.
I don't give a fuck if I'm doing 1% less damage if I'm having 80% more fun. Nobody in their right mind should.
This is fucking 40k after all. Wtf happened to the rule of cool?

I'm not even gimping myself though.

The kick is better than the bash at catching back pedalers.
If you ignore everything on the chainsword but the shoulder bash, you're using it wrong. Both aesthetically AND efficiently.

If you're ignoring 90% of your perfectly good moveset to spam one attack over and over just because it's technically the most efficient thing to do in general in games, then you're gay.

Period.

You should be, at the absolute least, banned from ever playing an online multiplayer game ever again.
>>544840843
>>544841401
Get good, meleelets.

>>544843759
didnt read
kill yourself

>>544843759
>If you ignore everything on the chainsword but the shoulder bash, you're using it wrong. Both aesthetically AND efficiently.
Retard.

>>544843759
>>if you're not playing exactly how chinese insect people have mathematically dictated is the most statistically efficient, then you're playing wrong.
Holy shit you dumb nigger you actually can't read to the point where you doubled down on your black-and-white fallacious bullshit
You stormwind fallacy faggot kill yourself

>>544831205
15-20 years ago there wasn't an epidemic of activists butting themselves into niche hobbies, or at the very least they hadn't managed to make such a nuisance of themselves at that point. It doesn't matter how well it's done, you could get an absolutely masterful writer who somehow manages to square every circle and have female space marines in a way that's congruent with the setting, it'd still be contrived because ultimately such a plot development would have been made purely for the sake of satisfying these tourist faggots whose interest in the setting only goes as far as it's usefulness to advancing their activism and spiting "chuds".
That faggot Arbitor Ian practically came out and said that in a roundabout way when he released a video that literally had "Taking 40k Lore back from the far-right" in the title. The tl;dw is that the Imperium's presentation as a "necessary evil" to ensure the survival of humanity against aliens and daemons paints too positive of a light on authoritarianism and that might appeal to people he doesn't like, so to rectify this the setting should just be turned into Star Wars where the focus is placed upon human-xenos rebel coalitions fighting against the objectively evil and oppressive Galactic Empir- uh, I mean, Imperium. They don't like the setting, but instead of fucking off somewhere else or just dealing with it and taking it as-is, they advocate for it's change into something that doesn't even resemble itself anymore purely because they can't handle the idea that somewhere out there a fascist is having a grand-ol' time painting his little Kriegers while blasting Arghoslent or some shit.

>>544842081
>setting gunstrikes up on minoris
Punch is faster. Plus you won't risk killing them with your light combo if there aren't a lot around.
>gap closer for reaching backpedalers
Kick is faster and combos right off a running attack.
>ultimate crowd control finisher for when you're trying to clear minoris around you while dueling majoris
Stomp covers a much wider area around you.
>This game is made by retards and none of the mechanics or game design have had any thought put into them at all.
Most perks are made completely pointless by better competing perks, most attacks for each melee weapon are made completely pointless by one or two attacks in its moveset. A lot of the game design in SM2 just sucks because of how stupid and unintentionally simple it is.
Agreed. I still disagree about the chainsword though. They really had all their braincells together when they designed that, what little they have at least.

>>544843831
>>544843941
>>544844123
I accept your concessions.

And you're welcome for teaching you how to use the chainsword.

>>544844495
>Punch is faster. Plus you won't risk killing them with your light combo if there aren't a lot around.
If it's only good for bullying lone gaunts then it's just a luxury to save time and not a good move for actual combat, the shoulder bash does this well in addition to everything else in actual combat.
>Kick is faster and combos right off a running attack.
And shoulder bash keeps up your damage better and staggers more enemies around you, accomplishing the same and far more for a slight time investment.
>Stomp covers a much wider area around you.
Stomp is a slow attack that effectively immobilizes you to do little more than stagger in the time it would take to do almost two shoulder bash combos, when shoulder bash also has a ton of cleave anyway.

https://youtu.be/Ne6dGMvKxVE?si=WPtWct3MgwM0RAIL
>takes up your equipment slot to do what class perks and block weapons already do inherently
>does a worse job than them too
>and it's temporary
They had over a year to come up with this btw.

Actually might be cool in pvp, cause it might make your melee strong enough that you can actually out dps primary weapons.
Could potentially make melee viable enough to use primarily in pvp outside of spamming ground pounds as assault or power whirls as bulwark.

>>544838412
I play fist because I like fists
I hate how its a glorified airblast and I hate how the new heroic one is basically dogshit even though it specifically tries to veer away from charge spam
This is why I want lightning claws

It's all gay chaos missions today.

>>544844935
>If it's only good for bullying lone gaunts
It's best at turning lone gaunts into gunstrikes.
>not a good move for actual combat
I sneak it into gaps in warrior combos too. It's also good for getting a quick attack in before they jump away from you.
>And shoulder bash keeps up your damage better and staggers more enemies around you, accomplishing the same and far more for a slight time investment.
Or it makes you whiff cause it's too slow, so you don't stagger the warrior backpedaling in front of you, so they land a sniper shot on you point blank while you're recovering from your shoulder bash and you lose 90% of your hp.
As apposed to hitting it in time to stagger it with a kick before proceeding to shoulder bash it to death now that you've actually caught up with it.
>Stomp is a slow attack that effectively immobilizes you to do little more than stagger in the time it would take to do almost two shoulder bash combos, when shoulder bash also has a ton of cleave anyway.
Or you could just do a stomp and cover twice the radius you could with two bashes while also looking way cooler by maintaining the direction you're attacking despite attacking everything behind and around you simultaneously so it looks like you're crowd clearing without even trying.

Yeah, could get by just fine by just spamming bashes, but sometimes the other finishers just work better depending on the situation.

>>544847581
>I sneak it into gaps in warrior combos too. It's also good for getting a quick attack in before they jump away from you.
Shoulder bash does more.
>Or it makes you whiff cause it's too slow
Shoulder bash is fast, I hit them.
>so you don't stagger the warrior backpedaling in front of you, so they land a sniper shot on you point blank while you're recovering from your shoulder bash and you lose 90% of your hp
I don't attack in such a way that I get hit by venom cannons aimed at me so this isn't a problem for me.
>but stomp is cool
Yeah, and it's worse.
Spamming bashes is the superior option the overwhelming majority of the time, that's why experienced people do it and inexperienced people are usually the people that don't just chain shoulder bashes repeatedly.

do you think it's a bug that carnifexes can't be staggered

>>544848223
>Shoulder bash does more.
Including whiff by the time they jump away from you.
>Shoulder bash is fast, I hit them.
I've been in many situations where I'm trying to catch an enemy and stunlock them before they can attack, and I would've whiffed the bash if I tried to land it before they attacked. The kick saved me from having to waste precious time dodging an attack to stubbornly spam only shoulder bashes.
>I don't attack in such a way that I get hit by venom cannons aimed at me so this isn't a problem for me.
Well some of us aren't too pussy to melee venom snipers.
>Yeah, and it's worse.
Not at crowd control.
>Spamming bashes is the superior option the overwhelming majority of the time, that's why experienced people do it and inexperienced people are usually the people that don't just chain shoulder bashes repeatedly.
I guess I've transcended "experienced" people then.
Yeah it's the most useful most of the time, but sometimes the other finishers are a little better situationally.

I'll die on that hill until they destroy the chainsword with nerfs in a future update.

>>544848910
Probably never even bothered animating a stagger for it unlike the Helbrute.

>>544848910
I feel like it is. I feel like you could stagger them before. It doesn't make sense that you can use the block explosion and follow up heavies to stagger a Hive Tyrant, but you can't on a smaller Nidder.

>>544850504
Why are you arguing with this stupid fucking bastard?

>>544850504
>Including whiff by the time they jump away from you.
I hit them.
>I've been in many situations where I'm trying to catch an enemy and stunlock them before they can attack
Works for me.
>Well some of us aren't too pussy to melee venom snipers
You can melee venom cannons without getting shot by them.
>Not at crowd control.
Crowd control, more damage and not being immobilized is better than slightly better crowd control.
>I guess I've transcended "experienced" people then
At best, an experienced player intentionally doing something sub-optimal because it's interesting and harder.

I exclusively play loyalist Chapters confirmed or hinted to come from traitor gene seeds because defying your history to fight for what's right is cool.

>>544851041
I like to argue.
>>544850604
>>544850935
I tried looking it up and I can't find any footage of a carnifex being staggered.
>parries
>groundpounds
>adrenaline stacks
Nothin' works.
Maybe it's intended. Like a simple gimmick to make fighting carnifexes more unique.

I mean I guess it makes sense. It's so berserker raged out that it staggers itself with its own attacks.
Most of its moves look like it's throwing a tantrum.
It resembles a bull, especially with how it charges everywhere.

If they were gonna make an enemy type immune to stagger, it would be this one.

>>544851906
I want a story where a Warband successor sneaks back into the fold of the Imperium by back stabbing their progenitor. They get tired of scraping by as pirates because the shit is barely working. Like, they're doing a raid on a world and they turn on them mid strike. The Warband gets away and the now Loyalists set up shop on the planet and bullshit their way into the trust of the Imperial planet. At first it was more just to have a better chance of survival, but as they shore up defenses and get ready for retaliation, they start to see the light just a bit through the perseverance and struggle of the humans and actually turn to the Emperor for forgiveness and a chance at redemption. The Warband comes back with an invasion force and the new Chapter has to hold out against them. An actual Imperial Chapter shows up in the knick of time to save them, but then they have to try and bullshit their way through an investigation. The new "Chapter Master" has to throw together an inner circle and honor guard for a 1 on 1 meeting with the actual Chapter Master and gives these long winded annoying speeches about the Emperor and hating heretics while sweating buckets in his armor.
>Why do you have so many relic pattern weapons and arms?
Duuuuuuhhhhh....
>What world did you come from?
T-this is our h-home planet!
>Who's your Primarch
Ummm, the blue one!
>Do you mean Guilliman?
YES! I mean, uh, y-yeah. "The Blue One" is just our uh, name for him in our culture....
>Alright... well, we'll make the report to the Administratum and Inquisitio-
NO! FUCK NO!
>.....
I mean, THRONE no, ha ha. Uh, we'll handle it, we're sure you've got more important things to do.

Do the dailies reset twice? I had done a couple and here's the new set, but it's only got 34 minutes left.

>>544853163
Forgot pic.

>>544851754
>I hit them.
Not in every situation, or you trade all your hp, or you waste time getting forced to dodge a shot while other enemies reposition and prepare to attack themselves, all because you're too stubborn to kick. Sometimes it's just objectively better to use a kick instead.
>Works for me.
Well you must have some divine being blessing you and shielding you from situations that I experience unavoidably every time I get on.
Must be nice.
>You can melee venom cannons without getting shot by them.
Yeah, but you clearly never do, or you'd agree with me about the utilitarian value of kicks.
>Crowd control, more damage and not being immobilized is better than slightly better crowd control.
Not when you just want to clean up the minoris surrounding you without breaking your engagement with the majoris+ you're prioritizing. It's more efficient to use one stomp and get back to dueling than to spam bashes in multiple directions before getting back to dueling.
If you need to use bashes that badly, then you're doing something wrong when you duel bigger enemies. Maybe your perk choices are whack.
>At best, an experienced player intentionally doing something sub-optimal because it's interesting and harder.
More like I'm simply an actual experienced player, while you think you're experienced because you fell for shitty advice from shitters on here, didn't bother putting it to the test, and can get by in hard strats despite your self imposed shoulder bash only handicap.

>>544854935
What do you mean? You need to stop fighting majoris to deal with minoris?

>>544843546
>damage by %"
>Remove jump pack dash using Q. Replace Assault's normal dash with jump pack dash. It costs no ability meter. Add a fucking huge smash attack that can be executed after a dash

If saber wants me to spend my whole fucking ability charge to do one melee attack it better be worth it. It needs to be at least something like a twice as fast fully charged heavy attack with tons Of tracking to make up for the distance. Not this weak ass 20 damage light shit.

I swear a high cleave stat actually makes it more annoying to deal with minoris.
1 attack and every minoris gets swept away in a massive arc causing your character to trail after them spreading them out further.
With the fencing chainsword i just double stomp and most of them actually die and dont just get flung 20m away.
What does the cleave stat ACTUALLY do because the balanced weapons are just annoying to deal with.

>>544855846
You'd need to turn around and take your attention off the majoris, but with stomps you can aoe away everything around you while maintaining focus on the majoris you're fighting.
Yeah, you could just turn back around and parry or something if they decide to backstab you while you're trying to shoulder bash minoris, but stomping works too, and I'd argue a little better.

You're using less moves for maybe not as strong of a crowd clear in the moment as you'd get from multiple shoulder bashes, but you're getting enough of a crowd clear as you need in that situation, which'll afford you to do more at a sooner rate, like build an adrenaline stack without losing all your armor and getting your hp chipped for example.

>>544856614
I just shoulder bash and parry whatever goes for attacks for free armor.

>white scars champion looks better on tac and can use all the weapons too

what the fuck were they thinking

>>544856136
Cleave determines how many enemies can be hit by a single attack.
This is why light attacks on the block knife are unusable.

>>544856136
High cleave/Balanced should only be taken on THammer and PFist because they actually benefit a crazy amount from it.

>>544856886
To each their own.

You can absolutely do great just spamming shoulder bashes as much as possible, but there's a little more depth there if you ever want it.
Until Saber makes another crazy balancing decision at least.

I personally prefer having as much control over my attacks as possible.
Combat systems all about squeezing in and spamming your best attack over and over bore the shit out of me. Like when you fight bosses in souls games nowadays.

Like yeah, I fought and beat the fucking god of all dragons on the fucking moon, and he was really cool and teleported and opened up portals to active super novas for attacks.
What's the fucking point if I beat him by rollslopping through all his beautiful attacks and spamming jumping attacks on his heels until I stagger and crit him ad nauseum though?

>aim at warrior nid
>jumps left
>aim at warrior nid
>jumps right
>aim at warrior nid
>jumps left
BY ALLAH STOP MOVING

>>544858451
>ALLAH

>>544856974
>White scars champion remains the only one so far that came with a weapon you can't use on the class it's for
>Also the leather gloves added (something used for a lot of white scars) can't be equipped on assault

Why the fuck do the devs hate him so much? Every aspect of the game shits on him.

>>544858947
To be fair, they're phobos only.
Those would be nice though.

You have to pay for the fucking white scar glove, and you only get one for your right hand. I personally don't like the two tone leather and ornamental stitching either.

>>544859308
>you only get one for your right hand
Me and my homies at the falconer club would clown on your ass if you ever pulled up to the function wearing two gloves.

What was the most gay about the heroic cosmetics was adding a MK7 helmet with no clean version. The laurel one should've came in update 11, not the clean one.

Those pauldrons were also fucking disgusting. Which is insulting when we sorely need trimless molecular bonding studs and a clean right shoulder MK6 pauldron. At least the update 11 ones look like a step up.

Breast plates weren't terrible, but again, there's breast plates we should have by now, like the MK6 one, and the MK8 one from the prologue.

Including the clean MK8 helmet was a good move, but it just looks like a rougher MK7 helmet in this game now that MK7 is here.

>>544859628
How else are you going to dual wield falcons?

>>544859628
I'll admit I'm not a white circumcision scar nor a falconfag, so I didn't recognize it as a falconry glove.

>>544858451
>ALLAH
playin a few rounds afore wark mate?

>>544859927
>there's breast plates we should have by now, like the MK6 one, and the MK8 one from the prologue
I honestly think you're waiting in vain. Those aren't a thing for primaris marines and unless the attitude of whoever the ultimate decision lies with changes, we're not getting cosmetics that aren't based on what tabletop primaris models can be built with.

I wish I could go back to playing this game before they added chaos spawns

They have literally ruined my enjoyment of chaos missions

>>544864620
I remember when people thought disk tzaangors were insufferable

>>544864620
>Enjoying Gayoss missions
This is a Nidder killer general, loser. Keep movin'.

>>544864620
You don't like getting swarmed by 4-5 of them and be practically helpless as they beat your tender boi pussy into hamburger meat? And if you do manage to get away, get cornered again because they're retardedly fast and can jump 60 feet directly onto your ballsack?

>>544867520
there are people who still haven't learned biovore's four-attack moveset, try to take him out at range and complain itt that it's the hardest enemy in the game.

>>544867520
They are
They're just less insufferable than others

>>544864536
Not saying I expect them, but we should have them to match the helmets.
It's baffling we don't have matching MK6 pauldrons though. If I want my left sided MK6 pauldron to match, I either have to be a raven guard or be an ultramarine terminator.

It's been fuckin 8 months since the raven guard dlc that added the MK6 pauldron released.

>>544867818
That's all well and good when the biovore actually wants to try to attack you and not just stay hunkered down shitting out mines even if you're wailing on it in melee. It's a fucking shit enemy.

>>544793610
Ultramarines tyrannic veteran for the wall.
Thanks!

Is Slaanesh and its followers impossible to adapt to video games with risking an AO rating?

>>544869997
One day they'll let us toggle enemy types off in private lobbies.
Imagine nid operations with no:
>biovores
>spore mines
>raveners
>zoanthropes
>neurothropes
>ranged warriors
Or chaos operations with:
>the new modifier that turns chaos ops into nid ops

The pyreblaster needs some sort of visual rework, can't see shit. Very fun to use at least.

>>544875682
>One day they'll let us toggle enemy types off in private lobbies.
Yeah.. good luck with that. Pic related shows exactly their approach to player freedom in choosing operation/mode modifiers.

>>544876342
That's part of the tradeoff of using it. It literally melt faces but you can't see shit.

>>544874949
Total War Warhammer 3 did it, plus noise marines exist

>>544875682
It actually amazes me that every enemy they've added has managed to make the game worse. Biovores are annoying at best and run-ending at worst as their infinite spore mines compound on whatever bullshit the game is already forcing you to deal with, but at least Tyranids weren't utterly ruined by their inclusion like the Thousand Sons were with Chaos Spawn. I stopped playing for a while after they added lethal and only over this past month have I gotten back into the game. While I remember the Tyranids being more fun to fight, I still thought Chaos were alright, just not as good. I regularly did Chaos missions just to see something different, but now I absolutely fucking hate doing them. Enlightened Tzaangors don't even warrant a mention when compared to just how badly Chaos Spawn completely fucked up fighting the Thousand Sons.

The bare minimum they could have done to make Chaos more fun to fight would have been to tweak the missile barrage on the soul reaper Terminators so it didn't track so ridiculously well and couldn't be fired more than twice at a time, and certainly not at point blank range. From memory, that was the only major issue Chaos had. If they really wanted to take it a step further, they could have created some analogous mechanic to the Tyranid's synaptic shock, which is a big part of what makes fighting the bugs so much more enjoyable. Instead they shovelled shit upon shit, and now not only can soul reaper Terminators still rape you in the ass with missiles, they are also being protected by a line of meatballs frame trapping you in disjointed attacks. Oh, and by the way, their soul reaper cannon that will shred you in two seconds flat can be fired through the meatballs. Who the fuck approved this shit?

>>544881702
Can't really think of many ways to adapt synaptic shock to 1k sons. Maybe, like, if you kill a sorcerer all rubrics fall apart?
I guess spawn should continue to mutate any time they deal or take damage, which may hinder their movement or something.

>>544882465
>Can't really think of many ways to adapt synaptic shock to 1k sons
Killing a majoris/extremis within the vicinity of minoris will break their morale and force them to temporarily flee from you. Maybe even make the Tzaangors more susceptible to damage so body shots from bolter weapons will one-shot them, allowing you to reliably kill a bunch simply by indiscriminately spraying into the fleeing horde before they scoop up their nuts and charge you again. I'm not some game design guru or anything, but this seems like such an obvious thing to me that I find it hard to believe that not a single person during development said "Hey, the synaptic shock thing is pretty cool; should we try making something like that for the Thousand Sons?"

>>544882465
traitor guard already explode into the skull missiles when most of the nearby are dead and rubrics all taking damage when a sorcerer or terminator dies is ezpz, the only thing you'd need to contrive is meatballs and gors. Probably mutating themselves to death.

>>544856098
in my idea it would be similar to the block weapon adrenaline surge explosion. Forced stagger in an AOE and a final damage multiplier around 100%.

>>544871425
Received.

is there any difference between forcing to switch aggro on extremis and terminus enemies? when they both attack a teammate, which one should i be targeting? are heavy melee attacks any better than heavy ranged attacks or does it only depend on dealt damage?

What's goin' on in this thread?

>decapitation
>Boss decides to focus me and only me for the entire fucking fight.

Reading about the primarchs, how/why didn't Emperor see how obviously evil Konrad, Perturabo, and Angron were? Why would a dude that smart just hand over all that power and army to clearly deranged and sociopathic lunatics?

>>544893323
There are a few different theories regarding this. The one I like the most is The Emperor did not intend for the Primarchs or Space Marines to exist after The Great Crusade. After the completion of his webway the Imperium wouldn't need the legions any more so he would allow or orchestrate a Primarch civil war to thin down their numbers and only keep the best of them. The Primarchs were only ever tools to The Emperor.

>>544893323
>how/why didn't Emperor see
he did
>Why would a dude that smart just hand over
that's what you do to keep them occupied. have you ever stopped and thought about how middle management works in your company

>>544893323
Depending on who is writing him, the Emperor is either actively fostering discontent and distrust among some of his sons for the explicit purpose of being able to predict and better respond to the civil war he felt was necessary to cull the flock, or he's a bumbling retard who had no idea he was being an absolute dickhead.

>>544893323
Because nigger library is 100% made up of incompetent, leftover "writers", they are unable to forge a massive coherent lore.

Saber really needs to find better people to design their combat for SM3. The melee system in this game is abysmal.

>>544899406
Let's hear your million dollar idea

>>544894998
I don't think he planned to kill them off, but he definitely wanted to retire them. Each one had a room built for them under the palace.

Balanced is suicide vs spawn.

>>544899480
Vermintide 2 with a functional parry. The melee weapons in VT2 all have like 2 attacks each but the way the system is designed it is much deeper than what is in SM2.

>>544903720
>Vermintide 2
After this one you're not allowed to voice your opinion anymore

>>544904304
Vermintide 2 has one of the deepest and most engaging melee combat in any game I have ever played that also scales with game difficulty and player skill. If you do not agree you are either a disingenuous nigger, haven't played the game, or are too shit to even play Cataclysm.

i am fortifying this bread

>>544904790
>fps
>good melee

Whatever happened to /sm2g/ pvp lobbies? Outside of one Anon posting a code recently I haven't seen anything come up. And I believe before 4chin got hacked there was talk about holding some weekly thread brawls

>>544914656
lol

>>544820353
Yes my brother, they think that all possible knowledge already exists and all you need to do is search for it. Its out there in the galaxy. They are half right, shit from mankind’s golden age probably still exists out there and finding some good shit would tip the scales a lot. Unironically, given our species’ propensirt for religion, it is plausible for us to end up in such a mindset, especially if an outlier like the emperor would harness enough scientific know-how to build something as crazy as primarchs and astartes. Lose that knowledge and they all devolve into saints, myths and sons of god

>>544899480
NTA, but:
>no more bamham magnetism
>no more balanced parry
>fencing weapons are even faster now
>fencing weapons get a new buff that increases their damage and stacks as they land attacks so they can compete with block weapons now
>block gets balanced's cleave stats
>executions are deleted from the game
>you get armor back from just killing things with melee
>every class can melee cancel like bulwark
>if you and a majoris+ enemy melee eachother at the same time, you'll deflect their attack
>deflecting has less endlag than an imperfect block and it recovers half an armor pip
>you can hold down the parry button to block 50% of damage with non bulwarks (upgradeable with perks)
>grenades are made selectable like your primary and secondary
>grenade button replaced with a grab attack that works differently depending on if you use it on minoris, majoris/extremis, or terminus
>big startup so it's not spammy and it encourages using it as a finisher
>you can combo it off melee attacks
>the window is like a worse blanced, but you can parry with it
>grab parrying minoris turns them into a grenade esque aoe where you slam them into the ground like a stomp but with bone fragment shrapnel
>grab parrying majoris/extremis dismembers a limb so they can't unparryable anymore
>grab parrying terminus just guarantees you a chunk of damage with no trading
>rework power fist from the ground up and design it around grabs
>add a power greatsword where you can charge huge power rakes for stubborn oldfags that liked spamming long range charge attacks

1/2

>>544920459
>incorporate the stamina system from resident evil 6
>gunstrikes can now be used on command using the aforementioned system by tapping the aim and fire buttons simultaneously
>there's a special indicator for when you get grabbed now so your squad mates actually have a chance of saving you before all your hp gets deleted
>you can sprint as fast as gif related now, no more jogging at top speed
>there's a weight system now that just effects how fast you run and how far you dodge
>so a phobos nigger with a knife and bolt carbine will move faster than the tactical with a chainsword and bolt rifle who will in turn move faster than the heavy with heavy armor and heavy primaries

That would be a good start.

>>544914656
I haven't personally tested it, but I think you're still limited to 3 people for PVP lobbies

Stopped playing SM2 after I beat the campaign, as I am not really a PVP multiplayer or Co-op guy. That being said, I was pleasantly surprised to see this general while scrolling through the catalog. I hope you anons are having fun with the game.

>>544893323
Perturabo wasn’t evil, all he needed was a little bit of attention from daddy and he would have been as loyal to the imperium as idubbz is to that tattooed onlyfans slag. The other two are iredeemable, i agree (angron through no fault of his own, an emperor who really cared about his sons would have glassed nuceria into nothing and made a hell of an example out of them). Kurze never bothered to overcome his condition (similar to mortarion in some way), which is a bit pathetic for a post-human being

>>544921031
why did you stop playing after the tutorial?

>>544914656
Code poster here.
I don't recall those ever being a thing. I only posted a pvp lobby so we could boost the chaos skins off eachother cause I got frustrated with the actual grind. It's so dependent on so many irl players it's very frustratingly RNG.
Got virtually every skin I wanted now after powering through.

Legit pvp lobbies might actually be a lot of fun here if we don't meta slave out and heavy max or spam shock grenades.
Guess we'd have to lay out ground rules like "no bolt carbine snipers allowed".
>>544920897
You're thinking of public lobbies iirc.
Up to 12 people from here should be able to enter the code and join a private lobby. Then, like I mentioned, we can establish ground rules. Private pvp lobbies have a lot of settings you can tweak too, including turning off class restrictions and tweaking damage values.

If we got a reliable anon like wall anon to host, that had good taste in settings, this could be a lot of fun. Plus it would breathe a lot more life into the general during content droughts.

>>544921031
You could've played the operations solo. Don't even have to play with bots.
Operation mode also has like 10x more mechanics than the campaign, and it's where 99% of the content in content updates goes.

>>544921336
>as loyal to the imperium as idubbz is to that tattooed onlyfans slag
Crazy outcome for him. He was always so based, and she's obviously an undateable crazy controller.

And imagine it was your GFs job to fuckin send other dudes nudes.
You could be watching netflix next to her while she's openly sexting any greaseball off the street with enough money.
You'd have to be schizophrenic to tolerate that.

Increased footdive damage after ranged kill and footdive AOE will instantly kill zoanthropes and do about 55% damage to neurothropes.

>>544924985
So basically Vanguard now actually has two really viable builds. One where he AOE nukes fuckers with his kick for huge damage, and the other where he becomes unkillable by chaining grapnel executes for decent AOE damage.

>>544928893
Pretty much. And the new heroic instigator synergizes really well with the chain grapple build. Vanguard is in a pretty good spot right now.

>>544928893
And what of good soloniussault?

>>544930550
*throws a wet fart of a dash attack into your arsenal*

>>544930639
Idk wtf they were thinking even adding that to the PTS if it's in this state. Of course everyone is shitting on it.
I can't see the finished product being anything more than just a horizontal ground pound though, and even at that point, why would you trade the control and obstacle clearance of a ground pound for a more limited ground pound?
Ground pounds already do crazy damage, so they'd either have to nerf ground pounds or make the dash attack be fucking melta bomb tier.

>>544932698
Saber seems to simply not understand that the resource count of a source of damage is just as important as the damage itself. They could make the new dash attack as strong as ground pound, it's still worse. They could make it do more damage than ground pound, it's still worse. They could make it one shot literally every enemy in the game, including bosses, it's STILL worse than ground pound unless a boss shows up.

>>544893323
The Emprah's plan was to initiate a mass Order 66 once he conquered the known galaxy. To purge most if not all of the Primarchs and Spess Mehreens just like the Thunder Warriors before them.

The Emprah knew Kor Phaeron and Erebus are Chaos worshippers yet left them alone to fester with Lorgar.

>>544923067
>Legit pvp lobbies might actually be a lot of fun here if we don't meta slave out and heavy max or spam shock grenades.
>Guess we'd have to lay out ground rules like "no bolt carbine snipers allowed".
A curated lobby sounds pretty cool ngl. I'd be up for that kind of pvp session actually.

>>544936936
So he was both evil and retarded?

>>544939684
His idea is to turn humans into Eldar-lite with Webway spamming and the most basic bitch human living for thousands of years with psyker powers like him and Malcador.

The Perpetuals are his IDEAL version of humanity.

>full health bulwark takes the sippy while im at 1 bar
HUNGRY WHORE

>>544940202
Sounds like a complete asshole. Guilliman is a better emperor.

>kicked because of mods detected
What the fuck?

>>544940202
What an almighty idiot.

>>544941369
you WILL get rezzed by my flag and you WILL LIKE IT!

>>544942496
>>544943406
The Emperor is a lie, humanity worshipped the old faith and never needed a false idol.

>>544942496
I mean, a common theme is the Primarchs were always better people than the Emperor, but that's because they're the personified aspects of his being that he ripped out of himself in order to make himself a purely calculative and unflinching individual. All his baser wants, desires, obsessions etc. are in the Primarchs.

The Jesus allegories for Sanguinius don't end at his death. All of the Emperor's kindness and what you'd define as the human instinct to nurture are within him. It's arguable that Sanguinius WAS what the Emperor was like prior to removing himself of anything he deemed "lesser" that would get in the way of his plans.

If this game had a third enemy faction it would be legendary.

Fencing, Block or Heroic Power Sword on a Bulwark?
I am running around, testing them, and the damage output of block is almost identical to the Heroic xenophase and I get less cleave and much worse power rake (that 20% range and damage goes FAR), but the parry timing on bulwark balance weapons is super ass because of the shield. Meanwhile fencing FEELS the nicest to use, but I do find not dealing enough damage from time to time, even with the Intimidating Aura.
Thoughts?
Also anyone who says that Xenophase blade isn't BIS on assault is a dummy. Shield really does fuck the timing on the parries for bulwark enough to matter and make balanced feel awkward to parry with.

>>544947125
balanced is impossible to use on bulwark due to the extra input delay because of the shield.

>>544947469
Well yeah, figures. Feels bad since Xenophase is objectively the best Power Sword with highest damage and cleave and access to parry stagger.
You'd think you should be able to assign parry to a separate button but I guess fuck me and everyone else playing bulwark.

>>544812197
>supercharge a warpstorm and direct the psychic lash resulting from it exploding into the frequency used by the tyranids.
>"b-but that's plan is crazy!"
It'll work.
The other option is to dig to the heavens

>>544948083
Hide in the webway while the Necrons fight them.

>>544812197
I love the Nids

At the surface level they're just the heckin space bugs sci fi trope, dig deeper then you realize they're a lovecraftian nightmare

>>544947010
They should plan an expansion that adds orks.
>expand the campaign
>add features from operation mode
>have Titus, Jackie Chan, and Chris Tucker be super classes that can kitbash their loadouts with any combo of equipment from any of the future 7 classes
>can choose to fit them with phobos, tacticus, or gravis and everything
>new planet with new biomes to asset flip for ork operations

>>544950362
While it would be fun and cool, that's never ever territory. You basically want them to design another game.

What if they added khorne?

What if they added Batman?

>>544952663
Arkham batman solos the game

>get a Neurothrope before the final elevator in Decapitation
>one player goes down and leaves almost immediately, leaving us with a vanguard bot
>die because I'm getting frametrapped by the boss and whip warriors while fighting on my own wondering where my still alive teammate is
>he's at the elevator trying to move on while a terminis is in play
>the Neurothrope and a single barbed strangler warrior stops him from being able to escape the tiny corner he's put himself in and he gets slowly raped to death
Absolute difficulty btw.

>>544947010
They need to completely rework Chaos from the ground up before they even consider adding another faction to fight.

Alright I have had enough of assault. this class is genuinely worthless. Just straight F tier, no redeeming qualities.

Unless they let me turn off the shield I refuse to play bulwark
I just want to fist

>>544949786
>dig deeper then you realize they're a lovecraftian nightmare

Do go on

>>544950820
I mean, that would be a smaller expansion than the ones team ninja always adds to their nioh likes.

They basically make expansions that size, but also add new weapons that're like 6 sm2 melee weapons in one, plus their versions of bloody palace, plus multiple bosses that put the hive tyrant to shame.

And they'll release three expansions like that within the time we've gotten 10 of these double edged updates.
And TN are shadows of their former selves.