Thread 11798298

>best gameplay in the series (fuck ATB)
>best story in the series (unique as hell and even has isekai elements)
>arguably best music, but they're all great
>best worldbuilding (Spira is a fascinating place, it's genuine FANTASY, not some generic anime cyberpunk world)
>most optional content (over 300 hours if you put FFX end-game content and FFX-2 together)
>Tidus and Yuna are genuinely likable, simple protagonists, not try-hard edgy faggots
>rest of the cast is likable as well

No wonder this entry filters so many, it's a strong contestant for the best Final Fantasy

>>11798298 (OP)
Agreed. I'm replaying it right now.

>>11798303
Nice, where are you at my dude?

>best gameplay

Sorry but Final Fantasy gameplay picked on NES/FC and only went downhill from there.

>best gameplay

Sorry but Final Fantasy gameplay peaked on NES/FC and only went downhill from there.

>>11798327
I agree that picking your own classes was nice. But if you are into that, there's a million western CRPGs like Wizardry. FF is story focused.

>>11798324
Luca. I'm dreading the upcoming tournament, because I still don't know how to guarantee a win. Winning would be satisfying for Wakka's sake, and I'd like to give the strength sphere to Kimahri or Auron.

>>11798298 (OP)
>best gameplay in the series (fuck ATB)

No that's FF7 and FF8

>best story in the series (unique as hell and even has isekai elements)

No that's FF7

>arguably best music, but they're all great

No that's FF9

>best worldbuilding (Spira is a fascinating place, it's genuine FANTASY, not some generic anime cyberpunk world)

FF7 and FF9 are better

>most optional content (over 300 hours if you put FFX end-game content and FFX-2 together)

Probably but some of these optional content are pure cancer(dodging 200 thunder...)

>Tidus and Yuna are genuinely likable, simple protagonists, not try-hard edgy faggots
>rest of the cast is likable as well

Agree

Overall FF10 is my 4th favorite FF behind FF7-8-9 and the last masterpiece of Squaresoft/enix

>>11798298 (OP)
100%. People that dislike this game are mostly posers that heard about "muh linear, muh lack of overworld", barely played previous entries but want to come across as real fans so they parrot those template complaints. That and the laughing scene being like a modern sentience test. People that use that scene as an example to complain about the game are genuinely low iq, you can disregard anything they say altogether. FFX is the best FF game.

Tidus is a mangina.

>>11798335
If I remember correctly it let's you save before you do it. Just attempt it 2 or 3 times. The chances of losing all 3 are much lower. If you still don't win, just move on. That being said, it is absolutely possible to win. Blitzball is all about timing. Advance as far as you can and throw the ball at the absolute last split-second to have less distance to goal. It's not rocket science.

>>11798347
Lack of overworld map is a problem,you have that sense of exploration and discovery in an overworld map without the open world slog

>>11798347
>Final Fantasy: Rocket Power Edition
>best FF
lmao.

>>11798298 (OP)
FF stopped being good after 1

>>11798357
I like that Tidus is shown weak in contrast to the stoic Auron, and then later Auron's past reveals he was an autistic pussy bitch who got BTFO'd by Lady womb tattoo.

Then Tidus grows into chadhood and saves Spira (for reals, not some cope "Calm" lmao whatever that is)

>>11798347
Yes and FF9 and FF12 come shortly after. That's actual fantasy. Fantastic worlds full of weird races each with their own lore. 7 and 8 aren't bad, but they could have been some other Square title and it wouldn't have made much difference.Their worlds are much more generic and anime-like.

Also I like optimistic and simple protagonists, not traumatized, brooding faggots.

>>11798298 (OP)
I recently finished a playthrough of FFX for the first time after trying and stopping multiple times. In the end, I enjoyed it, and would give it a 7-8/10. I think the characters were very well written, real and likeable; the Tidus Yuna romance was extremely sweet and the Moonflow cutscene made me tear up a bit. I find Kimahri to be pretty underbaked although the small bit of lore he gets at Mt Gagazet is nice. Auron is great, Rikku is sweet (ngl I find it weird how people sexualise her, she's so obviously a child in how she acts). Wakka starts strong but gets left behind. I was disappointed that the massive shock of realising his whole belief system is fake wasn't explored beyond a few "woah this can't be true!" Lulu is hot but her motherliness for Yuna is also underbaked at the end and she just becomes one of the party. Jecht and Tidus are great but the daddy issues thing just gets waved away a little too fast for my taste.

Combat-wise, although I do prefer FFX's style of turn order maniuplation to ATB, I didn't like how most battles felt like puzzles to be solved rather than fights. Flying enemy = Wakka or a magic user (but most flyers are strong against magic, so just Wakka). Hard skin = Auron or Kimahri. Obvious elementally weak enemy = magic user. It wasn't very exciting and I had to engage with this system a lot since the design of the game is very much "each next area requires a bit of grinding before you're strong enough". Bosses were alright although a lot of them were gimmicky.

End-game wise, I was just not up for it. I tried some of the endgame content and realised I had 0 desire to grind to beat the Dark Aeons, capture stuff, try Omega, etc. But then I went to Sin and wasn't strong enough to beat a lot of the fights and got frustrated that I would have to grind for at least another few hours just to win. So I ended up cheating.

>>11798421
It doesn't require grinding, just to never run away. You are just bad at the game my dude.

>>11798451
I mean, there's not much to be bad at. It's hardly an RTS in terms of complexity/strategy. I used the expert sphere grid which perhaps contributed to my characters being weaker than normal.

>>11798298 (OP)
>rest of the cast is likable as well
this is the only point where i somewhat disagree. auron is peak and rikku is cute, but the rest of the cast if forgetable. wakka is at best a meme, lulu only got a good design (and boobies) and nothing else, kimahri is a complete nobody in a blue fur.

>>11798458
You need good reflexes for the special attacks.

>>11798421
>>11798451
His simplistic view on the combat (not mentioning even dark attack) already reveals he didn't get deep into the combat, and why he instead defaulted to grinding as a solution.

>>11798469
Bro. I'm not a moron or an 80 year old. The only one I occasionally flubbed was Wakka's Attack Reel slots but the rest are not hard to pull off.

>>11798504
Why would I mention Dark Attack in a small post about my experience? of course I used Dark Attack, and of course I used Sleep/Silence/Dark Buster, Power/Armor/Mental Break, etc etc etc. It doesn't change the fact that battles felt like a boring puzzle, and that the Expert Sphere Grid may have delayed my character's growths, since there were some bosses that clearly wanted me to have Dispel but Yuna was still pretty far off from it.

>>11798332
FF gameplay peaked at IV

>>11798335
make sure you enable manual control then just rush the goal with tidus on the side then use jecht shot to remove 2 defenders which is a guaranteed goal, sphere shot is decent as well if there is only one defender. You can goal with waka as well but it's much easier with tidus. There is also a bit of randomness though but this works most of the time.

>>11798338
>No that's FF9
I meant to say FF8

>>11798347
the linearity and lack of overwold was really jarring and detrimental though and they quadrupled down with FFXIII

>>11798421
>ngl I find it weird how people sexualise her, she's so obviously a child in how she acts
please off yourself

>>11798603
It had some sort of overworld though

tidus...haha

>>11798298 (OP)
>it's genuine FANTASY, not some generic anime cyberpunk world
what do you even mean by that
these games are all fantasy bullshit

What bothers me about this game is the characters look way more asian in the CGs and it absolutely mogs in the game models.

Was the more anime in game look a system resource saving measure?

>>11798687
it didn't, it had warp points.

>>11798603
They did it for clear story reasons though. Yea, walking a straight path can be boring. Though, why would your characters stray off the road? They know where they're going. I do think it could have used a couple more "dungeon" like areas to spice it up.

>>11798515
>Why would I mention Dark Attack
Because preventing incoming damage is pretty fucking important, unless you want to grind
>>11798421
>each next area requires a bit of grinding before you're strong enough

Anyways
>>11798601
Good advice. I managed to win on first attempt. First game I passed the ball between my players, then on the next after level ups I scored with Jecht Shot. I got lucky and the opponent fumbled all their shots.

Now I'm on the Mihen highroad.

>>11798717
That's not a world map?

>>11798729
nonsense, every other FF had the characters know where they were going and the game didn't feel that linear. It's all about the illusion of freedom and exploration which FFX failed at.

>>11798736
no you retarded nigger? did you even play the game? Of course you did not.

>>11798730
>Now I'm on the Mihen highroad.
make sure you always save before fighting belgemin cause you only get one shot but the bonus for wining is nothing special anyway.

>>11798742
>every other FF had the characters know where they were going and the game didn't feel that linear.
This is very not true and you're wrong.

>>11798757
ok whatever you say faggot, enjoy your modern "it makes more sense" slop

>>11798742
Are you retarded? In FF8 you can't even return to the garden until the end of disc 2. You are literally on a linear path for 2 discs.

9 is even worse, you just go from set piece to set piece and can never return to the places you visited. You get the boat and airship in disc 3 only. FF was always linear as fuck.

>>11798809
Compared to this, in FF10 you can always return all the way back to besaid, even if it would take long as fuck.

FF was always fucking linear.

>>11798809
>>11798812
can you go back to plebbit you ignorant and insufferable reddit spacing faggot?

>>11798814
>didn't address a single point
>responds with stale memes
Kys yourself

>>11798815
there is nothing to address because you are mentally disabled and doesn't understand what illusion means, you're the same kind of faggot SE over corrected for when they made FFXIII-2 after hearing complains about tunnels and linearity in FXIII. Off yourself, I mean it.

>>11798818
Even if your complaints are true, FFX is supposed to be a pilgramage story and those are known to be long and brutal. Their goal is to reach Zanarkand, not to fuck around in the world unnecessarily.

>>11798421
>7-8/10
Considering that a game can only get below 5/10 by being broken that is absolutely brutal.

>>11798828
it's a fucking video game, the point isn't to have the characters fuck around story wise but to make the player feel like he is exploring a world and not traveling through pretty looking tunnels.

>>11798835
>it's a fucking video game, the point isn't
Source: a random autist

>>11798840
>a video game isn't a video game
Insufferable tranny faggot i swear on fucking god I hope you get weeded out of the gene pool. Last reply you'll get from me you fucking rat you attention seeking shitskin

>>11798835
After you are done with 90% of the game you can visit any location, including 10-15 optional ones. What more do you fucking need?

How is this different from other FFs? What did FF9 offer in the world map except emptiness and like 1-2 optional villages and some cave? The map of FF8 is empty as fuck as well. You are just being a fucking child.

>he didn't overkill lord ochu for 2x HP sphere
>he didn't get the HP or Magic spheres in Luca docks
>he didn't beat the Goers for the Strength Sphere
>he didn't keep all party member in the center of the sphere grid until post-luca to pimp out their stats early with these, and get everyone lancet

>>11798603
People exaggerate the lack of open world as if it's a sin to the genre. Most open worlds in jrpgs are just an empty space with nothing to find and you're still locked off from higher leveled areas so it's still linear.
>>11798729
It was more likely the other way around. To pull of the graphics they wanted they needed a linear path with a heavily controlled camera and by extension decided to have the story reflect that. Either that or it was just a fun coincidence. They probably wanted to avoid having some chibi Tidus walking around an overworld.

>>11798742
>It's all about the illusion of freedom and exploration which FFX failed at.
It's not like the story is saying "you can go anywhere! Explore!" and then it gives you a hallway. It's a pilgrimage, there's an intended path to follow without straying from it, the story is justifying the game design.

>>11798981
To give my two cents, story games shouldn't be open world.
Any story is ruined if the player fucks off to do irrelevant shit.

>>11798994
Depends on what you mean by story games but in general I agree. If a game is open world than the story has to be somewhat low stakes. Otherwise you get those "video game logic" jokes of being told you need to hurry and save the princess.
>Hero, the princess is about to fall off the cliff. You need to hurry!
>50 hours of picking berries, decide to go back to the main quest
>Hero! You're just in time!

>>11798298 (OP)
IT DO BE LIKE THAT
Excellent thread.
Trvth nvke
Uh-huh

>>11799004
Yeah no one stays invested and immersed in a story if they break the pacing.
It doesn't make sense to craft a great story and then lure players out of it with side content slop.

>>11799031
One example I really liked was in San Andreas. By the time the story takes CJ out of Los Santos and his brother goes to jail he goes into this entire different adventure. By the time the story goes back to getting his brother out of jail the story actually acknowledges that most of what CJ did was completely unrelated to that central plot, which fed well into the overall conflict of CJ not wanting the hood life to begin with.

>>11798421
>the design of the game is very much "each next area requires a bit of grinding before you're strong enough"
>But then I went to Sin and wasn't strong enough to beat a lot of the fights and got frustrated that I would have to grind for at least another few hours just to win. So I ended up cheating.
I feel like the fact that you didn't engage with the game's systems enough to beat the final boss fair and square somewhat undermines your critique. FFX is not a particularly difficult RPG and never requires grinding.

Even at a very low level you should be able to beat all of the mandatory boss fights just by using the plentiful powerful consumables the game gives you.
In particular, the one that doubles Max HP for one battle essentially removes any need to grind from the game once you have access to it because of the incredible amount of additional sustainability it gives your party.

I don't think the gameplay of FFX is perfect either, but you're underselling just how many options and strategies you have access to and how much freedom you have to approach challenging fights in different ways.
You can certainly play it like a connect-the-dots puzzle and grind (or cheat) your way through hard fights, but by doing that you miss out on a lot of what makes FFX great.

>I find it weird how people sexualise Rikku, she's so obviously a child
With characters like Rikku the concept is that you'll play the game when you're about the same age as her and she might end up being your first ever crush. For a lot of people that like her, that's exactly what happened and they never stopped having a crush on her. Personally, I think that's romantic and very cute.
But yeah, if you weren't aware, the age of consent in Japan is 13. If you don't like sexy teenage girls in your RPGs, you are playing games by the wrong country.

>>11799095
>the age of consent in Japan is 13
This was only very technically true, and is now completely false. Prior to 2023, the national penal code did state that the age of consent was 13. However, every prefecture had their own ordinance prescribing an age of consent higher than that, usually 18. The only places in Japan where 13 was the effective age of consent was on unincorporated islands. Post-2023, the penal code was amended, and the national age of consent was raised to 16. Please stop spreading this harmful myth about Japan!

>>11799048
Maybe that's the way to do it, short stories connected, so there's appropriate times for fucking around without ruining the pacing.

FFX's story is the opposite, and wouldn't work in a sprawling open world. It would just diminish the pilgrimage.

>>11798347
You can muster a defense for this low tier FF game without preparing a pathetic strawman in the same sentence. It makes you look dishonest (which you are).

>>11798298 (OP)
I'll give you points for having a few more sentences than the normal bait threads but you are retarded.

>>11798981
>It's not like the story is saying "you can go anywhere! Explore!" and then it gives you a hallway. It's a pilgrimage, there's an intended path to follow without straying from it, the story is justifying the game design.
but of course! It's a pilgrimage just you have to walk forward through tunnels! please get fucking bent.

>>11798964
>People exaggerate
no, you just don't understand what people mean because you never played the franchise.

>>11798298 (OP)
>(fuck ATB)
You lost me there, bud. I played it for the fourth time this winter and love it, easy 9.5/10. But ATB is just better.
FFX is whack-a-mole with mobs and a puzzle box for bosses, and it gives you as much time as you want. ATB, if you turn up the speed, adds tension to battles and you have to think on your feet or die.

>>11798298 (OP)
>best gameplay in the series
FF12 had the best gameplay. Too bad that gameplay is attached to FF12, one of the worst stories, soundtracks and character casts in the entire franchise.

>>11800018
>ATB, if you turn up the speed, adds tension to battles and you have to think on your feet or die.
*mashes attack command*

>>11800018
Ironically I find turn based faster than ATB. Unless you're trying to be really methodical you know what moves you want to do. All ATB does is add a lot of dead air when both you and the enemy are refilling their charge.

>>11800042
>All ATB does is add a lot of dead air when both you and the enemy are refilling their charge.
This. It's so annoying

>>11800025
Your fault for being overleveled. Levels are the difficulty in these games, if you think you're smart for leveling and getting strong early you're just cucking yourself out of fun battling.
Also, VIII fixes this problem.
>>11800042
>All ATB does is add a lot of dead air when both you and the enemy are refilling their charge.
Set ATB to active and Btl Spd to max at the very start of each game (it's off by default). Add a 3x speed boost, stay at levels appropriate for where you are in the game, and shit will fuck you up, it's intense. The meters fill instantly and the enemy gets 2 attacks in if you aren't super fast. You have to be planning 2 moves ahead for your whole team at every moment.
Again, I like X, but it's usually quick hit, haste, and counter whatever the enemy is. The bosses are fun puzzles but the battle system is boring imo.

>>11798347
such a blatant strawman, nobody takes those kinds of arguments seriously and you should be embarrassed

>>11800050
ATB as a concept is fine but if you need to add a 3x speed boost to make it work than maybe the system needs to be retweaked. At that point it's not so much a challenge of planning as much as seeing how fast you move through menus. The only JRPG I ever found myself taking time choosing my next move was SMT and that's only because I couldn't remember what the different attack names were supposed to translate to.
>Again, I like X, but it's usually quick hit, haste, and counter whatever the enemy is. The bosses are fun puzzles but the battle system is boring imo.
I think what puts FFX over other turn based games is being able to see the attack order rather than it being an invisible stat. It allows more planning ahead and some bosses are designed with this in mind, trying to delay some big overdrive as much as possible. But I agree with what others have said that a lot of the enemies have some obvious "solution" which can make the game repetitive. Flying enemy=Wakka, Elemental based enemy=Lulu, that sort of thing. More a problem of enemy roster than the battle system itself.

>>11800050
>Your fault for being overleveled
Nope
>Also, VIII fixes this problem.
Nope

>>11800068
These games were made so 8 yo kids in a hut in southeast Asia could also play them. If you go into a lvl 20 enemy at lvl 55 (or use summons ever) and complain it's too easy, that's on you.

>>11800071
>If you go into a lvl 20 enemy at lvl 55
Nope

>>11800072
Sure bud. You're so much better for preferring a system where you have as much time as you want. I'm playing 8 rn and am fast as shit with menus but even for many disc 1 random encounters if I just mashed attack constantly I'd lose.

>>11800025
>*mashes attack command*
what do you get out of lying?
>proceed to post the same cherry picked gif from FF7 where half the boss is missing
concession accepted

>>11800076
>preferring a system where you have as much time as you want.
I prefer FFX's system because it has 7 characters worth of options at all times with better defensive measures and turn order manipulation.
More complexity without compromising flow.

>>11800023
>FF12 had the best gameplay

Ha ha ha the game with no interaction and excruciatingly slow combat had the best gameplay ?

>>11798298 (OP)
Played it for the first time this February and loved it. I'm actually kinda mad at myself I put off playing it for so long. Also the combat is my favourite for any turn based rpg

>>11798298 (OP)
Every walkable map being a hallway is insufferable. Yes they had to do it because of technological limitations, still doesn't make it better.

>>11798298 (OP)
>arguably best music

lmfao not even fucking close. curbstomped and raped by VI, VII, and VIII OST.

>most optional content
aside from a couple cool optional aeons, and one really underwhelming shitty bonus dungeon, its all just one huge boring fucking grindfest with super overtuned bosses to fight. in terms of ACTUALLY INTERESTING side content VIII is far superior. X-2 is absolute garbage and doesnt count, and if it did, would make X worse by ruining its story.

besides that I agree. however the lack of a world map, severe lack of towns and almost no exploration to be had will always put it a notch below VI, VII and VIII in my book, which still do all of the things X does well

>>11800313
>muh technological limitations

somehow DQVIII looked just as good but had a more impressive worldmap than any ps1 FF and big sprawling dungeons and it was released on the same console.

>>11800206
I think another underrated aspect of why XII is so shit is that the combat just looks incredibly BORING. having a seperate battle screen with dynamic camera angles goes a long way to make things visually interesting.

>>11800342
Yeah, but it's not fair to compare games from good franchises to games from bad franchises.

>Story

Each FF builds its plot on its predecessors, but FFX is like the most different from all the others. I really liked the twist that the protagonist isn't real, but the narrative is still your shonen party running dungeons, it's even more shonen with the quidditch inspired sport. Drakengard despite its edgyness at least tries to create a more cohesive experience, which is weird, Drakengard is anything but a cohesive experience. I really want to read the wacky novels about this game. FF hero who canonically had sex? I really want to read that

>Gameplay

KH has the best take on FF gameplay for some reason they refuse to make mainline games play like KH and try to reinvent the wheel every game.

>Worldbuilding

The twist is interesting and the visuals are great. But that's it, the game doesn't do anything with this imaginary world concept. Clearly AAA development stiffling ideas and limiting what designer can do

>Optional content

It's still gated like every FF before the non-retro FFXV

>>11800342
it also has a story ripped out of the most stereotypical fantasy storybook for 8 year olds like every other game in the series. "go kill big bad guy" "now go kill the REAL big bad guy" fucking yawn. the characters are great for DQ standards but are shit compared to any golden age FF. still a great game but clearly lacking in areas compared to FFX. if you could combine the same level of story, setting, cast and battle system of X with the level design, world design and towns of VIII that would be the ultimate jrpg but theres really nothing ever made that comes close to that.

>>11800374
I agree, KH has the best action-rpg system I've ever played. It's just so smooth. And I don't even usually play hack'n'slash/action-RPG games.

>>11800374
>I really liked the twist
>but the narrative is still your shonen
>doesn't do anything with this imaginary world concept
Kek this NPC didn't comprehend even a fraction of the writing

>>11799347
/thread

>>11800442
The twist is fine but the plot does nothing with it. You have the shonen party going places and that's it. Why didn't the plot make Tidus' quidditch skills also be about their belief in a winner. Tidus would just be a power fantasy, but also, Yuna wishes. Basically, a concept shaped by people's beliefs. The concept carries all sorts of implications but the game does nothing with it. The twist needed to be revealed earlier, or not be a twist at all. Drakengard on the other hand is much less of a twist (except for the secret ending), and the story is about the characters and the world around them. We already know that the fairies are sketchy and that the world is a fucked-up place. Anything that comes is just a feeling of completion

>>11798298 (OP)
Yuna and Tidus are the most unlikable main characters in the series

The story made no sense. The entire idea of the unsent is stupid. They killed the only person who knew how to defeat sin with no real alternative to that plan.

The story had good beats but so much was missing from it to be good

The gameplay is the best though. All the other tards here saying otherwise didnt get the combat system

I actually like this game, but blitz ball might actually be the shittiest mini game ever created. What a fucking chore.

>>11798421
You just didnt use anyone's overdrives or looked up the different magic abilities. Use the EXPERT sphere grid and the game opens up so much.

Early levels are a bit formulaic sure, but after a bit you can make custom parties with all black mages or all fighters,

Also grinding is a fundamental design in EVERY FF game WHAT?

>>11798298 (OP)
I agree with everything said. With all that being said I did complete it back in the day when it came out. Once without the guide, again with it getting everything and beating the last optional boss. It was insane. So good, but the grind for those ulitmate weapons was not fun, it was work. That's like the one downside to it.

>>11801084
>does nothing with it
Did you browse tiktok every time characters talked?
>>11801123
>Early levels are a bit formulaic sure, but after a bit you can make custom parties
Even on standard paths there's a lot of options on how to tackle battles.

On my playthrough I watched the iconic "tidus and yuna fuck underwater" scene, went through calm lands without getting wiped by a malboro ambush, and now I'm off to mt gagazet.

I'm happy with how kimahri turned out. At the beginning I took the basic spells from lulu, and then went to wakka's path, only taking the highest level spells and the mug skill with spheres.

>>11801165
How does the game do anything? Speaking of which. Better than the Drakengard comparison, Kingdom Hearts. That game did what FFX set out to do. Of course there's Disney cringe shit, but it still works in its own way.

>>11801172
>Speaking of which. Better than the Drakengard comparison, Kingdom Hearts
Who cares, go look for their own threads.

>>11798347
I never got the meme of MUH LAUGHING SCENE. It was getting shit on before YouTube was even a thing so its not like people were watching it out of context because anyone with an iq over 80 playing the game understood the HA HA HA part was intentionally stupid and just Tidus trying to raise Yuna's morale, which worked because they share a genuine normal laugh after that.

>>11801198
>Tidus trying to raise Yuna's morale
Other way around though.

>>11799158
I double checked it before I wrote my post just to make sure I wasn't spreading misinformation, and to the extent that my research on the topic is correct it would still definitely be legal for Tidus to have sex with Rikku in Japan today, and I'm even more confident that this would have been the case in 2001 when the game was released.
If I'm wrong about this and you have a trustworthy source that disproves me, feel free to share it; I'm happy to admit that I'm wrong when I am.

>>11801250
I don't think many players knew her age anyway

>>11801250
>to the extent that my research on the topic is correct it would still definitely be legal for Tidus to have sex with Rikku in Japan today
Yes, it would be perfectly legal for Tidus and Rikku to have sex both in 2001, and today. The age of consent, as prescribed by the penal code, is 16 as of 2023. And even though every prefecture prescribes an age of consent of 18, there is carve outs for relationships between minors (this is true in the national penal code as well). However, this claim differs from your original - "the age of consent in Japan is 13" - which is false. Here is a Western news article discussing the 2023 amendment to the penal code: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/japan-raises-the-age-of-sexual-consent-to-16-from-13-which-was-among-the-worlds-lowest

And here is the relevant Wikipedia article which explains how, despite the fact that the national age of consent was 13 prior to 2023, sex with those under 18 has been a prosecutable offense since the 40s, and the effective age of consent in every inhabited area of Japan has been 18 since the 80s (with the exception of Nagano prefecture, adopting an age of consent of 18 in 2016): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_Asia#Japan

Finally, in the event that you can read Japanese, here is the relevant excerpt from the penal code (Article 177, Section 3): 16歳未満の者に対し、性交等をした者(当該16歳未満の者が13歳以上である場合については、その者が生まれた日より5年以上前の日に生まれた者に限る。)も、第1項と同様とする。

I hope this is sufficient!

>>11798338
FF7's story is overhyped
its really not that good or interesting

>>11801410
>its really not that good or interesting

Yes it is

Many elements of Xenogear were first introduced with FF7

>>11801410
I think VII is the best story ever told, though a little barren in places and it requires some imagination (I see that as a good thing). It feels like humanity's story to me, it's a heavy allegory for the real world. I do not care about the day to day social winds, I hold it dear to my heart.
I like X too, I played em both around the same '01-'02 time period and pref vii despite the graphics.

>>11801454
>I think VII is the best story ever told
Please read more books!

>>11801465
I haven't done that since the early 00s. And quite frankly I don't care. I'm mostly here for the angsty button mashing to the music and doing weird party building stuff. I'm too old and cynical to enjoy new stories like I used to.

>>11801474
This makes me sad, and I think you're selling yourself short, but I appreciate the honesty!

>>11801426
xenogear sucked
>>11801454
>I think VII is the best story ever told
you need to stop doing hard drugs

>>11801465
>>11801843
>they hated him because he told the truth

>>11801465
name 5 books with a better story. Ill wait

>>11801852
The Great Gatsby
Song of Ice and Fire
War of the Worlds
Dune
Warrior Cats

>>11798298 (OP)
I really like this art

>>11798298 (OP)
I want to fuck Lulu's boobs

>>11802007
You and a half of Spira

>Seymour fight on gagazet
>prepare with tidus' cheers and kimahri's mighty guard on standby
>never does the party wipe move
I don't know if I'm lucky or overleveled. I never grinded, just tried to use all characters in battles.

>>11801852
house of leaves
musashi
hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
neuromancer
fear and loathing in last vegas

>>11801852
Cat in the Hat
Matilda
The Giving Tree
Lorax
The Very Hungry Caterpillar

>>11802003
I love games where the actual game starts at the beach.
>FFX, Kingdom Hearts, Links Awakening

>>11798298 (OP)
>no world map
>no piloting airship
it's shit

>>11802436
>no open world slop
Fuck this. I had so much fun running around calm lands, why can't the whole game be like that

>>11802436
You get an airship.

>>11800063
>But I agree with what others have said that a lot of the enemies have some obvious "solution" which can make the game repetitive. Flying enemy=Wakka, Elemental based enemy=Lulu
Flying enemies = Wakka, Lulu, Kimahri, Rikku
Elemental enemy = Lulu, Kimahri, Rikku
Fast enemy = Tidus, Wakka, Lulu, Kimahri, Rikku

And then there's all the preventive methods pretty much all characters have: Yuna nullifies elemental magic, Wakka silences elementals, Auron threatens fast enemies, Rikku smoke bombs hard hitters, Tidus delays, and so on.
Oh yeah and there's equipment with elements and debuffs.

Maybe people just get stuck on the entry level thinking, and brute force their way through the game.

>>11798298 (OP)
>generic anime cyberpunk world)
No final fantasy has done this.

>>11802405
ffx doesn't start at the beach

>>11798421
>I find Kimahri to be pretty underbaked
He's low key MVP. The scene at the end where Auron acknowledges Kimahri pretty much summarizes his character.

>>11798809
I did revisit places once I had the ships in ff9, also there was this secret library place to find with cool shit to find. I don't get your argument, the overworld adds a lot in ff9 and 7 imo

>>11802846
Ff7 has a "cyberpunk" world but it's not generic in my opinion

>>11802857
Yes it does, everything before that is prolog.

>>11803006
Everything outside Midgar is utterly forgettable.

>>11803010
>gain control of the tidus
>not the beach
>enter first battle
>still not the beach
It doesn't start at the beach. You misremembered.

>>11803039
>Everything outside Midgar is utterly forgettable.
I'm sure I remember most places in the game. That cozy first town, snake swamp, golden saucer, cave dweller village, mining town, the canyon, nibelheim, rocket town, the chinese, temple of the ancients, the lab or something at the bottom of the ocean, to name a few

>>11803073
How is all of that not generic?

At least 9 and 10 had unique races.

>>11803146
>At least 9 and 10 had unique races.

Allow me to introduce red xiii

>>11802465
PILOTING. AIRSHIP.

>>11798298 (OP)
It took me years to notice Kimahri carrying Lulu during the rail grinding scene

>>11803073
Midgar was literally the low point of the game for me. They made midgar the newbie zone for tards like you

>>11803156
>generic expermented animal

>>11803187
Final Fantasy is not an airship game

>>11803146
Quina is unique in the same way Gungans are unique, aka awful and disgusting.

>>11801465
but books have shitty gameplay.

>>11803201
There's absolutely nothing generic about Red XIII. The proper criticism is that he looks like an edgy 14 year old furry's OC.

>>11802003
What game?

>>11803465
he's literally just a palette swap of scar from lion king

>>11803006
It's not really comparable to the vast majority of cyberpunk settings, unless we are just going off the fact that its a big city and there is an evil corporation. It's closer to dieselpunk or even something like Mad Max. There's really none of the typical cyberpunk themes or common tropes. Hell, ShinRa comes off more as a genetic science focused company, than cybernetics or robotics.

>>11801121
Blitzball might be one of the most elaborate minigimaes ever created. It's an actual full blown simulated sport with entirely separate gameplay mechanics, multiple in-game seasons and tournaments and active recruitment of NPCs across all areas of the game. They really put a ton of effort into it

But yeah, maybe they tried a little *too* hard. Once you reach the point of it being an actual game inside the game and becoming a significant time sink it had to be actually good on its own merits and it's kinda not. By minigame standards it's insanely complex but it's not really engaging enough to justify the sheer number of games you have to play to get what you need to out of it. The fact that you can play through an entire season, finish in 1st place and win multiple separate tournaments without the auroch reels even appearing as a prize is fucking bullshit. Making us do it once for the sake of completion and to grasp the nuances of the minigame is one thing, making the one unique item to get out of it a random prize and expecting the player to do reset bingo or just play like 2 or 3 full fucking seasons is outrageous

>>11801852
Paradise Lost (if you want to talk about "humanity's story")
Titus Groan + Gormenghast (really one narrative in 2 parts)
The Brothers Karamazov
The Discovery of Heaven
And as meme as it sounds, LOTR, which is a book the FF franchise swipes from regularly, including VII. The whole idea of forming a party with different classes and going on a quest was practically invented by Tolkien

>>11803039
yeah man no one remembered gold saucer, costa del sol, temple of the ancients, wutai, fort condor, cosmo canyon, nibelheim...

>>11803190
>bevelle soldier tugs on rail
>woops your whole party is dead
>credit roll

>>11804051
There's that town with bamboo houses and then the midget mining site

I'm getting filtered by Jecht
If I have anti petrify gear on, he just sleeps my entire party on phase 2. Am I going to have to get autistic with gear?

>>11804004
>that booklist
God, you must be insufferable in real life

>>11804051
I played ff7 four years ago and all of I remember is the gold saucer because minigames and costa del sol because beach. and I didn't remember them by name either.

>>11804643
Wait, sleep? Did you attack those pillars beside him, or..?

>>11804643
give Yuna some black magic and just slam him with it

>>11804837
yeah I figured it might be worth it to take them out.
I think they cast curse on the whole party, which sleeps them.

I'm going to give it another shot but ignoring the pillars

>>11804839
She already has holy+ Lancet, I can't imagine specing into black magic would be worth it unless I also got doublecast

>>11804885
ok, don't give her black magic then. Just keep beating your head against the wall.
she has the highest magic stat and hits the hardest with offensive magic, but what the fuck do I know? I only smoked Jecht without difficulty in a handful of turns. surely you, the dude struggling, know better

>>11800042
X-2 ATB is really well paced. FFIV's is also fucking ridiculous on active when you have 5 characters.

>>11804885
>ignoring the pillars
Best course of action.

If I may offer advice, have Tidus provoke him with stoneproof armor. Auron's zombie attack could be good. Rikku might have a consumable that doubles HP if needed.

I can never get Lulu's overdrive to work well

>>11801465
Like GoT? Books does not equal quality. Actually, most of what we currently have in the books, except some rare examples, are just mental trash you're putting inside your brain, and then this trash influences the way you think.

>>11798298 (OP)
My favorite

>Never played any FF game and don't know, what the fuss is about
Would I enjoy this? I never played any /vr/ JRPGs before

>>11808439
It's the one I would recommend the most.

>>11808442
Thanks anon

I tried to play this game and eventually I realised it's way too gay and watery for me. Seems like a great game tho.

>>11808515
7.8 too much water

>>11808515
>Seems like a great game
IMO it has the best JRPG combat. Chrono Trigger comes second.

A Lord of the Rings game "the Third Age" rips off FFX, and while decent, it made me appreciate more how much care was put into FFX's combat.

>>11808528
>A Lord of the Rings game "the Third Age"

You are absolutely right. Now I see it clearly.

>>11808439
It's very good, not to hard and has very good music

>>11808549
See what clearly?

>>11810479
>See what clearly?

The similarities.

>>11810561
Ah yes, they are similar.
>Executive producer, Steve Gray, who had worked on Final Fantasy VII and Parasite Eve for Squaresoft, explained he had wanted to make a Lord of the Rings RPG since the 1990s, but had never gotten the chance, until EA acquired the rights to the film trilogy.[52][53]

As the game was under development, various ideas were rejected as the team settled on an approach. For example, initially, the developers planned to have an Active Time Battle combat system, before going with the Conditional Time Battle system.

People here have complained about FFX's formula of having different enemies with weaknesses against different characters. Let me tell you, it's better than the alternative.

>>11798515
>the fact that battles felt like a boring puzzle

X is like the inverse of VIII in that everybody in the party but the MC is interesting.

>>11803235
Quina has more personality than the entire cast of FF8 put together. This is how I know you are a pleb.

>>11810806
And this is a good thing. The player is the star of the game, not the fucking character. The character is just an avatar. I disliked how much FF8 sucked Squalls dick. Everyone admired him so much and he was so fucking cool and the rich girl wanted to fuck him and his teacher and he was a commander etc I could go on and on. It's all just a cringe masturbatory fantasy for 14 year olds.

I would pick a humble, quiet MC like Link of the Zelda series every time of the day.

>>11810915
>I disliked how much FF8 sucked Squalls dick. Everyone admired him so much and he was so fucking cool and the rich girl wanted to fuck him
T. jealous virgin

I never got that impression

>>11810954
who is this semen demon?

>>11810994
kill yourself

>>11811012
t. a virgin

>>11811021
That insult is so 2010. Go with the times, grandpa. Today people call each other incel, not virgin.

>>11811009
it is a CHILD and you will cease from asking any more questions

>>11811034
"Incel" is just virgin cope

>>11811048
Dude not everyone is an American, people can get laid easily by paying a prostitute in Europe.

>>11811040
that's fine, i'm not picky

>>11811060
Have you paid a prostitute to take your virginity?

>>11811076
Hell yeah. They're professionals, usually good-looking and she was about my age.

Let me guess, you did it awkwardly with some average girl you knew?

It was my first FF game I beat and always thought it was overhated

>>11811104
I yanked her panties off, slipped in raw, and nutted after like 45 seconds. she told me to cum inside her because she'd feel unwanted if I didn't