Thread 11922346

The title says it all. The earliest console I've played in my childhood years was PS1 at a friend's, and it was a very limited experience. Will I be able to appreciate games from 4th gen at all, if I just really like games? I did enjoy a couple good PS1 games recently, but I can go more retro.
Which titles are the best entrylevel stuff to see if I like them or not? Snes is cheap around here, but I'd still probably try emulating at first.

>>11922346 (OP)
Yeah
>t.emulated it

>>11922346 (OP)
theres something seriously wrong with your psychology where you would even think to ask that question. Think about what youre even insinuating.

>>11922346 (OP)
Yeah. Not only that the “canon” best games that have been on every top 10 list for decades now are actually the best ones.

>>11922351
> seriously wrong with your psychology
Yeah, it's called being younger 40yo.

>>11922346 (OP)
It's good, but as far as Nintendo consoles are concerned, I like the original Famicom more. (I'm in my late twenties, and my first console was also the PS1.)

>>11922357
Which nes games would you recommend to a guy your age?

>>11922346 (OP)
Someone who asks that can't enjoy video games. They can only enjoy attention from strangers on the internet.

>>11922346 (OP)
It's better than the genesis

>>11922383
That's a difficult question. I picked up my Famicom after having already 1CC'd a few middlingly difficult arcade games (mostly shmups), so I didn't find the difficulty or simplicity too off-putting. If you have a low tolerance for that sort of game design, you'll probably have a rough time no matter where you start (except for maybe something like Kirby). That said, if there's a franchise you already like that has a NES/FC release, start there. My gateway game was Castlevania. I gave CV1 a try after really enjoying CV4. I ended up liking the first game even more. That did a lot to challenge my perception of the NES as being old/outdated.

Aside from the super obvious recommendations, I really like Gimmick, Little Samson, and the later Takahashi Meijin no Bouken Jima games.

>>11922346 (OP)
Dude, just play it. If you haven't played Mario World and Zelda Link to the Past, you simply don't have any perspective on gaming, period. It's like claiming you like music, but never having heard Beatles or Stones. You may not like them, but you need to at least have heard them.

Honestly, if you like video games enough, it's bizarre to bring up the nostalgia argument. So I think you don't like video games at all.

Since you bring up PS1, there's no fundamental mechanical difference between a 2D SNES game and a 2D PS1 game, or between a PS1 JRPG and a SNES JRPG.

>>11922346 (OP)
Just play some Mega Man X and enjoy the ride.

>>11922346 (OP)
Please be bait.

>>11922346 (OP)
>Will I be able to appreciate games from 4th gen at all, if I just really like games?

Yes of course. Make a serious effort to (first) get good at Tetris Attack and (second) to explain how the game would be better if only an NVIDIA chip containing 76 billion transistors were helping out. There would be a little less slowdown, and... and... what else? Come on dude, you're already accustomed to wasting almost all the computing resources you have access to. The greatest chokepoint by far is your body, not the hardware or the maturity of the field of game design. You can't solve a Sokoban puzzle or aim a simulated gun any better than people could 30 years ago. Just try the games, maintaining a generous spirit as you do, and you'll see that they mostly work pretty well for you.

Funny thing, I only became able to properly appreciate arcade games from the early 1980s once I became OLD enough, not because I was young enough to play them when they were still new enough to be available in their original form (although I was). As a kid, I wanted games with lots of "content" and clear endings, like Super Mario Bros. or a JRPG, and I saw no value at all in scoring systems. As an adult, I'm much more able to enjoy an elegant design by aiming for a high score. Maybe the same will one day happen to you, OP. If you love games then your love will mature over time; you'll find new ways to experience it. You'll grow out of some things and into others. The division between Elden Ring and the original Donkey Kong is huge; but so is the division between Donkey Kong and Dragon Quest 1. Oldness is hardly the only way in which games vary. Don't pretend that all old games are the same.

SNES games play really slowly compared to Genesis game. And I don't just mean shared ports, I mean the libraries in general. If you like slow games then SNES is okay. But if you like BLAST speeds, I think the more arcadey Genesis games are more your speed. That's my honest take.

>>11922346 (OP)
Super Nintendo is difficult to get into because the fans are insufferable air players with massive egos and pretense about their library when compared to other 16-bit consoles. They make it tough to discover, discuss, and share games because everything out of their mouth is presumptuous and obstinate rather than useful or even interesting. They're mostly looking for fights and not genuine discussion. It's been tough for me to engage with this console even though I had it as a kid, I'm far more informed on Genesis and even PCE games. Beyond a few semi-obscure titles I'm familiar with, in person at shops I've mostly seen the most trash of shovelware or the most obvious of mainstream titles from Nintendo, Capcom and Konami.

The problem with the Capcom/Konami stuff is so much of it is better on the original arcade but it's hard to get that from a Super Nintendo guy who simply won't care.

Act Raiser 2 has been getting brought up more often lately, it lacks the novel simulation element of the first but doubles down on the action stages. The North American version is a classic example of pointless difficulty changes. It's a very unpleasant experience playing the US version - so you should instead play the far better balanced Japanese release. It's still a challenging game, but not horrendously broken. How many games are like this on Super? No idea, nobody talks about this.

>>11922346 (OP)
heres an idea you fucking retarded faggot. try playing a game and finding out for yourself.

>>11922758
You begin by calling everyone insufferable and then say it's them looking for a fight. Seek help.

>>11922782
>You begin by calling everyone insufferable and then say it's them looking for a fight. Seek help.
And here's an insufferable snes poster who is always looking for a fight.

>>11922346 (OP)
I bought a SNES again in 2016 with the intention of playing all of my childhood games again, but after that I moved on to playing games I missed out on and I've found a ton of good games that I had never played before. Of all my consoles, I own more games for SNES (117) than any other console because there's just so many good games.

>>11922784
You wrote a wall of text about yourself in a thread for a console from 30 years ago. Nobody cares bro.

>>11922786
I cared desu. It was a good, agreeable read.

>>11922786
Presumptuous and obstinate, just like I suggested.

>>11922787
thanks. Try Act Raiser 2 JP.

>>11922758
>SNES is difficult to get into because of le fans
Stopped reading there, faggot identified. I don't give a fucking shit about "fans". Is the console good? Does it have good games? That's what matters. You don't like video games, you like parasocial interactions revolving around games. Personally, I don't even like the SNES much, I'd said it's one of Nintendo's weaker consoles overall, but this kind of logic is detestable.

>>11922797
You're replying to someone whose entire personality (not hyperbole) is hating Nintendo. No it's not Australia, but yet another gigasperg.

>>11922797
Then you missed the entire point of the post. It's why this thread had no games until I came along.

>>11922798
Don't be such a gossip, you've been out of highschool for 30 years now. Be a man and talk to me directly, boy.

>>11922801
>It's why this thread had no games until I came along.
What a hero.

>>11922758
>>11922784
>>11922794
gay
captcha: YRP0S

>>11922802
>What a hero.
Someone has to do the heavy lifting to save the reputation of this sad grey box.

>>11922346 (OP)
>Will I be able to appreciate games from 4th gen at all, if I just really like games?
Do you really like games? Possibly the easiest games to get into are the most popular ones, Super Mario World, Link to the Past, and Chrono Trigger.

Personally the typical suspects don't interest me unlike games like Pocky and Rocky, Wild Guns, Ninja Warriors, Contra III, Hagane, and so on.

Just sample a bunch and see what sticks to you. Eventually when you get more games under your belt you'll be trying other games off the beaten path.

>>11922806
I'm glad you decided to make naysayers look retarded. Very noble.

>>11922808
>I'm glad you decided to make naysayers look retarded
Thank you, it's about time super nintendo fans start posting games instead of their insecurity.

>>11922758
>Super Nintendo is difficult to get into because the fans are insufferable air players with massive egos and pretense about their library when compared to other 16-bit consoles.
SNES is literally a normie console. It's really good but the average person who likes the SNES is just about any kind of person, I guess here on /vr/ you have the hipster who only plays untranslated SFC sound novels and berites those who don't but then you also have every other kind of person into it.
The more niche consoles are the ones with pseud elitists

>>11922820
Bold of you to assume he actually plays games.

>>11922820
>>The more niche consoles are the ones with pseud elitists
You'd think this, but it's just the ones with mario and zelda that get it the worst. This thread is proof. What an embarrassing display of elitism.

>>11922823
Be a man, faggot.

>>11922831
>This thread is proof.
The one you entered just to cry and bitch?

>>11922831
>This thread is proof
Nigger the whole/vr/ has been infested with console war bait falseflagging for years now.

>>11922835
>The one you entered just to
Post about Act Raiser 2, as I'm playing it right now. I read the rest of the thread and found it embarrassing. Pic related is a great example, imagine being this much of a faggot over someone asking for games. Don't you *want* your favorite console to be perceived more positively? Do you want its reputation to solely be mario, zelda the list goes on? You think you would have learned this lesson by now.

>>11922841
There's a Genesis thread full of game recommendations. You can make a Turbo Grafx thread and get flooded with great titles to play that wouldn't settle at Bonk, splatterhouse, the list goes on. It seems to be a very specific problem with a very specific fanbase but pointing that out is considered the worst thing ever. Won't someone think of the reputation of super nintendo fans?

>>11922847
>It seems to be a very specific problem with a very specific fanbase but pointing that out is considered the worst thing ever
It seems to me that you're a bit naivete and don't notice that the very fact you're saying PCE and MD threads are shitpost free means that nintendo fans aren't going there to spit the soup. Nintendo threads attract shitposters.
Anyway nah, Sega and PS1 threads are always full of shitposting between these 2 fanbases. Fanbases in general are stupid, it's not just Nintendo.
There are times some threads get ignored by shitposters, but it's rare.

>>11922847
You are more obsessed with the Nintendo fanbase than any Nintendo fan is obsessed with a console or franchise. Again, get help.

>>11922847
The post you screenshotted seems to be less about that anon being a SNES fan and more that he's questioning OP's need to ask if he can enjoy X console without nostalgia, he's saying the concept of even having such a question is not normal. He can just play the games and find out.

>>11922858
It was more those darn Sega fans shitting up the thread from the word go. Just scroll up and watch them plug their consoles yet again. Lets be real here anon, this has always been a problem.

>>11922861
I usually see them honing in on a single remark to slide an entire thread. Weird trait but easily observed.

>>11922864
>was more those darn Sega fans
It's probably falseflag bait but whatever, keep thinking only 1 fanbase has the console war problem.

>>11922871
I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the point.

>>11922758
This is one of those cases where Reddit (or any other forum with tree-shaped threads) is far superior to 4chan: Somebody makes a low-quality inflammatory post, and then suddenly the whole thread is about that, and you can't just hit a single collapse button to knock that crappy branch of conversation aside and get back to the interesting branches. By the way OP, if you do play ActRaiser 2, play the US version because it's fun, unless you are a sick-minded troll like this person in which case your enjoyment should be minimized anyhow. Basically what I'm saying is that EVERYONE should play US ActRaiser 2, in order to simultaneously reward the good people and punish the bad ones.

>>11922864
>honing in
homing in, not honing, it's a pigeon metaphor
much like how it's rein in not reign in, thanks to horsies
please be knowledgeable about the sole language you speak, anons

>>11922346 (OP)
You did not enjoy PS1 because it's early 3D which is not good.

"""Retro""" gaming became a thing because there was a de facto 2D ban from the mid-90s to around 2007, so old was the only way to have big budget 2D games. There have been many excellent 2D games since then. They can't play the same though. Analog CRTs all shared the same exact latency games could be tuned for. They weren't, because SNES lags like nothing else.

I'd rather have coyote time and no eyestrain desu

>>11922346 (OP)
>Which titles are the best entrylevel stuff to see if I like them or not?
What sort of games do you like?

Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, are fairly safe bets

>>11922482
>Beatles or Stones
Try Mozart, ya dingus.

>>11922758
>The North American version is a classic example of pointless difficulty changes.

This is how I know you weren't alive back then.
Also get good.

>>11922346 (OP)
> if I just really like games?

If you really liked games you wouldn't ask this question and you wouldn't bait with "nostalgia" and "I've played a couple games". Which is why you're not a real person and this thread is bait.

>>11923078
That would be Sonic.

Holy, half of the thread are fart-huffers with retarded takes and accuse me of baiting. Well yeah, I'm baiting for entrylevel games that a non-dedicated player could get into.
>>11923030
Easier to say which I don't like: shmups and artificially difficult platformers, like the ones that have 3 lives and reset you to the start of the level or end the game completely when you lose all 3. Unless there are fun titles of those genres, I'm not playing OG Ninja Gaiden-esque games even though I should at least try.
Metroid does sound like a good idea to start with, and ofc I've heard a lot of mixed opinions on CT, hope it's not overly grindy.
>>11923013
I know what I enjoyed and what I did not, thanks.
>>11922807
It's actually a good idea to start with the most popular, you're right. They were popular for a reason after all.

Thanks to all anons who gave an actual answer.

>>11923158
>CT, hope it's not overly grindy.
It's not, and doesn't have the traditional random encounters, and it's short and sweet. That's why I would recommend it over all SNES games first.

FF6 is another good choice, if it looks more interesting to you.

>>11923158
Anon, you came onto an enthusiast board and asked if one of the most popular and well-loved video game systems from one of the most famous video game companies ever had any games worth playing or if it was just nostalgia. What reaction were you expecting to get?

>>11923168
Thanks.
I was already looking at FF6, feels like an enormous game though, hope it doesn't eat all my free time away.

>>11923253
Well-adjusted grown men don't get pissy about it

>>11922482
>If you haven't played Mario World and Zelda Link to the Past, you simply don't have any perspective on gaming, period.
That's retarded. You can play SMB3, you can play LA.

What you really need to play on the SNES are FF6, CT, Earthbound, Secret of Mana, and Super Metroid.

>>11922353
How's it going with that tin opener?

>>11923283
Did you seriously think video games before a certain date simply aren't playable without nostalgia? What did you think the cut-off date was for a "modern gamer?"

>>11923290
>Secret of Mana
Strike that out at least

>>11923298
Secret of Mana is one of the most unique games on the SNES.

>>11923297
I'm not even OP. Get a hold of yourself

>>11923301
>one of the most unique games
Save those for people who have dipped their toes in with games that are good first, and have an interest in such aspects.

>>11923303
I'm all for spoonfeeding but there's nothing wrong with letting OP know why his question was dumb.

>>11922346 (OP)
>Which titles are the best entrylevel stuff to see if I like them or not?

>Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3
>Ninja Warriors
>Megaman X
>Ninja Turtles Turtles in Time
>Plok
>F-Zero
>Kirby Super Star
>Kirby's Dreamland 3
>Super Bomberman 2
>Yoshi's Island
>Super Mario All-Stars
>Super Mario World
>Thunder Spirits, has some other good shmups as well
>Batman Returns
>Zelda
>Wanderers from YS III

>>11923309
Maybe a question isn't dumb when you understand it.
The point was "is the old system good today from a younger generation's perspective". A lot of older games were good for their time but didn't age well, like RE2, which the gorgeous remake has shown too bad RE3's situation was the complete opposite.
Good thing about half the posters itt understood the question, it's just the manchildren like you who got triggered.

>>11923329
Oh okay. You're retarded. Good luck with that.

>>11923330
I'm sorry you're not as smart as you want to be, anon. It's not your fault.

>>11922346 (OP)
Yes. I never even owned one.

>>11922440
Accurate.

>>11922459
Can be hotly debated, but I never owned one of those either, yet found kickass games for it too.

>>11922346 (OP)
>Which titles are the best entrylevel stuff to see if I like them or not?
SNES has some great games
RPGs:
>Chrono Trigger
>Final Fantasy VI
>Terranigma
>Secret of Mana
>Front Mission

Action:
>Gradius 3
>R-Type 3
>Contra 3
>Final Fight series

Platformers:
>Yoshi's Island
>Castlevania IV
>Castlevania Dracula X
>Donkey Kong Country games

Those are probably the most interesting games on it to me

>>11923450
I always drop Front Mission when you get your team and you suddenly have like ten different mechas to outfit and you don't really have any idea about what the optimal parts for a balanced team is

>>11923290
You can, but SMW and LTTP are the most polished, accessible versions of these franchises in 2D. Later 2D entries were basically afterthoughts
>Earthbound
L M A O
As someone who loved it back in the day, no it's not
>FF6, CT
Easiest way to drop the console. Just play Pokemon instead. Or at least pick FF7 which was actually important.
>Super Metroid
Yes, but the controls and gameplay can easily filter many.

>>11923705
>important
So you need to play an inferior FF game like FF7 to feel important?

>>11923713
We were talking about the importance of games you dipshit. FF7 was more important than both CT and FF6. It was a commercial breakthrough and a demonstration of what was possible with cutscenes. The plot also set the bar. And of course, for many in the West this was the first JRPG
>inferior
All 3 are DVD player games, they're all different shades of trash. 6 is the only game I'd honestly call overrated, it was the first jarpig with no gameplay (inb4 "it gets good 20 hours in, you didn't play until animu Joker wins"). Chronic Nigger is certified Reddit slop, huge fans of this game still waiting for it to go down in price so that they can finally play it.
None of that was even REMOTELY as interesting as PC RPGs of the late 90s.

>>11923743
>We were talking about the importance of games you dipshit.
We were?
All OP asked for were fun games.

>>11923113
Game is designed far better around enemies taking the right amount of hits and dangerous floors not killing you in one hit.

>>11922346 (OP)
Snes is garbage. Games are reduced res 256 x 224. Tiny sprites. Slow cpu. Forced blur filter. Underwater audio. Its mostly a rose tinted nostalgia machine.

>>11923796
Only if you don't like action games and/or suck at them

>>11923807
Hello auster

>>11923812
Post your gameplay

>>11922346 (OP)
not a huge fan of it, but yeah it's got a lot of good games, like enough to justify owning one even if you hate nintendo for some reason.
owned a genesis and love my genesis too, but the SNES just has some bangers I couldn't let slip through the cracks like DKC and goemon games

Stop liking the Super Nintendo

>>11922459
Agreed. Genesis is basically just a fart noise maker.

>SNES music vs Genesis:

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRk57dve0pA

Meanwhile on Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NOKxb37lVg

>>11924082
Why not compare the same game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhjsPsS74U

>>11924090
that's even worse, i prefer the farts

>>11924170
Can't imagine not liking Zuntata.

>>11924082
Each had their strengths, especially when companies invested dev time into their sound drivers instead of using the default ones like GEMS. The SNES can't come close to matching the Mega Drive for electronic music, especially electric guitars despite admirable efforts from the Mega Man X series and Yoshi's Island's final boss. Meanwhile, as much as I like stuff like Shining Force, the Mega Drive's attempt at orchestral music is tinny and grating and nowhere close to soundtracks like the Fire Emblems or Square's library.

>>11922512
X1-3 are peak gaming! I love the series up to X6. I’ve 100% X7 and X8 3 times. That being said there’s a noticeable decline and super cheesy! Felt like games for kids. X1-6 had a mature feeling to them. And X5 was a perfect send off for the series as it had a ton of callbacks to the entire series Mega Man and Mega Man X!

>>11922346 (OP)
TMNT: Turtles in Time
Bram Stoker’s Dracula
Yoshi’s Island
FF6
MMX
Super Mario
Chrono Trigger
Maximum Carnage
Super Godzilla
SimCity
Clay Fighters
Mortal Kombat 3 Ultimate

lot's of great suggestions in this thread, but nobody's mentioned kirby's dream course yet so that'll be my recommendation

>>11923329
RE 2 has aged fantastically, as have a lot of Gen 4 & 5 games. They're straightforward, well designed and highly playable.

>>11924513
I love this game, but it's deceptively hard.

>>11922346 (OP)
Why let nostalgia ruin gaming as an adult? I rarely play 99% of the games I played as a kid and when I do, I don't get any of the same feelings anymore. It's become a chore to play them. There are a few that I can play ad nauseum, but they are spread out playthroughs, still. I've found a new avenue in which to view and experience games as an adult that at times, feels better than when I was a kid. Shmups in general are not only funner to me now, but I'm nam better at maneuvering through the projectiles like gene starwind on acid. Anyways, my point is, that you don't need nostalgia to find fun in a game or a console. Theres a plethora of great games on the SNES and many of the ones you enjoy may not be the popular opinion. If you're coming from ps1, then play some similar style games or the firsts like Chrono trigger if you played Chrono cross, or ffvi if you played 7/8/9. Super Metroid, cybernator/assault suit valkan, super gossun oyoyo, ball bullet gun, Nosferatu, killer instinct, secret of evermore, super Star wars return if the Jedi, aerobiz supersonic, itchy and scratchy, pac in time, shadowrun and the whole, actraiser/soulblazer/illusion of Gaia/teranigma quartet from quintet

>>11924819
It looks good, but the gameplay and writing are dated. The remake is better in almost every aspect that's comparable, like storytelling and bossfights. That's not saying the original was bad, it's just that the remake is so good. It's clear how much the remake devs loved the original, expanding on small details that were already there in 1998, and staying true to a lot of iconic scenes. Really, if anyone's hating on RE2R, he's just a retarded contrarian who doesn't love videogames.

>>11925821
You're a dildo.

>>11922346 (OP)
>49 million
What a retarded thread
At the time, you had two options, the snes or the genesis.
The genesis basically competes with the nes. The snes had literally no competition at it's time

>>11922758
I am responsible for at least 90% of the posts bringing that motherfucker up.
It has GOD tier music, graphics and gameplay, it just happens to be the hardest game on the console.
It suffers from a fate kinda similar to Dracula X. There was a game that everyone compares it to that was "superior" so people got frustrated with the sequel and forgot all about it.

>>11925974
2 is the better game, 1 has the simulation element which is cool but very underdeveloped. I wish it was expanded more in 2.

>>11925974
>I am responsible for at least 90% of the posts bringing that motherfucker up.

Nah

>>11922459
SNES is better if you like RPGs, Genesis is better if you like action/arcade games.

It is. It was the last time a console dominated so much, all great developers wanted to put their games on it. Mario and Final Fantasy on the same system (until now of course). The MegaDrive wasn't shit, most overrated console of all time. All music sounded the same. Games looked like glorified 8bit kusoge on that trash ""console"".

>>11922758
Lay off the addy bro

>>11926964
>It was the last time a console dominated so much

only domination in japan

>I'm far more informed on Genesis and even PCE games

no shit, much smaller libraries