Thread 11929470

im gonna be honest i dont give a shit, most of these games were made for children by a half dozen guys i really don't care if the almightly plunger does 3% more damage to wumbus flumbus

>>11929470 (OP)
I only know one example and is not retro

You should always check the readme files and info on romhacking before patching anything

>>11929539
I'm sure the translation patch of Bare Knuckle III makes the game harder to resemble the western version a bit more. It always feels off whenever I play it and struggle conserving my lives in the hardest difficulty compared to the vanilla JP game.

>*negative response to the translation-hack*
>"It's not a retranslation! It's a (((relocalization))) guys! Which is some higher concept above you! I'm not a translator because I don't NEED to be one! I'm a (((localizer)))!"
>*positive response to the translation-hack*
>ego fed; no correction

>>11929470 (OP)
Everytime. Random dogshit balance and 'QOL' fixes nobody asked for. Just learn Japanese or deal with your EOP selection.

>>11929470 (OP)
>a retarded transfan did something an even more retarded transfan couldn't, but with some things the zero skill transfan doesn't
Sounds like a (They/Them) problem

>>11929539
The Tales of Rebirth translation made some changes.

>game has a bazillion rereleases than change its sovl
>you just want the original unaltered vision
>you find a text hack
>but it bakes in shit that makes it feel more like one of the rereleases
>whyevenmakearomhack.gif

>>11929539
Any patch for a working designs game. They all tone down the difficulty.

>>11929545
That’s actually good tho, the Japan version. Is way too easy. Which patch is it?

>>11930058
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1375/

Nothing in the readme says they touched anything, but the enemies in Very Hard feel too aggressive and too numerous compared to JP unpatched. I played both versions closely together and the translation felt a lot tougher.

>>11929993
No, they just translate the original game, leaving out the stupid changes that WD made to the US release.
There's no Working Designs game, Vic. You'll never be a game developer.

>Thank you for playing my translocalization hack! It has been an honor and a privilege being your translocalizer!
>Farewell, my friends! I'll return one day with a MAJOR script update! But first...
>I'm off to learn Japanese!

>>11929553
>"I'm not a translator because I don't NEED to be one!"
Anyone who unironically has this pretzel-logic mentality deserves to be Iced away to a Korean concentration camp of gang-rapists before causing more cultural damage.

That Stellar Assault SS tranny redub hacked in unlimited continues even though it’s so easy a decently skilled player could beat it first try on hard mode.

Translation of Samurai Shodown RPG for Neo Geo CD did an interesting thing. They have patched in changes to make the game less grindy, but they put it behind console region setting. If your console thinks it is Japanese, the game plays like vanilla. If you have an American console, an easy mode gets activated.
In the age of emulation this thing is easily controllable and if you are not stupid, you have Universe BIOS installed which lets you change region on the fly.

>>11930478
This is a bad way to fuck over people who use their actual hardware though

>>11930481
If you are already a part of Neo Geo physical collecting, you definitely have cash for a simple console mod or even a second Neo Geo CD. I've always wanted that CDZ anyway, haven't you?

>>11930481
Why would a nonperson that owns nothing and eats its own kind care?
>>11930486
President of Neo Geo physical collecting here. We definitely have cash for a simple console mod or even a second Neo Geo CD. We have so much cash we may even get tired of having cash.

>it's coming any month now, stop asking...
>comes several years later.

>>11929545
>>11930058
>>11930071
So today I'm playing the western version in hard and it feels easier than the patched BK3 in very hard, how weird. There are definitely fewer enemies in it. It's puzzling because there's nowhere stating the difficulty changes of the translation patch, so I don't know if it wasn't intended, or tested in the hardest difficulty, an emulator bug or what. Patched BK3 doesn't have some of the most annoying quirks of SoR3 (namely, bosses having an endless number of lifebars, and enemy attacks causing more damage), but it keeps some of the unfavorable stuff from BK3 (bigger penalty for using specials with a depleted bar, slower rolling) while amping up enemy aggressiveness and numbers. There are also more changes under the hood, like some bosses being less cheesable (notoriously Shiva and Robo-Axel) with some of their attacks and patterns having modified priorities.

>>11933019
And this paints itself as a "purist" mod.

>>11933013
Might be an anti-piracy trigger that the patch set off.

>>11929960
good ones i hope

>80s game's official translation is reasonably accurate but awkwardly condensed and/or worded
>patch promises a more faithful script
>is actually just a fanfiction rewrite with easy mode cheats built in
Thank you, retranslation patches.

>>11933083
>BUT ALL THE NAME CRAP WE STOLE FROM A WIKI VALIDATED US!!!

>people bitch about liberties taken in a fan translation for decades
>no one sits down to unfuck it
>other version's official localized release has horribly bad terms but is otherwise alright besides bad dubbing
>no one cares to fix it
>only real version with no bullshit attached is a version that has two separate translation teams fighting over it, and there's potential game-stopping bugs in both translations

>>11933083
>80s game original script is genuinely flawed because of either laziness or technical limitations (Katakana-only script)
>all subsequent official releases default to an updated version of the script with mixed Hiragana/Katakana to make it easier on the eyes
Thank you, based SEGA.

>>11933214
If you're playing a "Tales of" game in the first place then you're already lost.

>>11933249
do you have any reasons beyond "it's generic jarpig slop" to actually present to the class, or are you just a dour cunt that bitches about everything he doesn't like

>>11933254
>it's generic jarpig slop
This has always been a valid reason to dislike JRPGs. For the same reason it's always been valid to dislike CRPGs for being failed adaptations of generic DnD slop.

>>11933254
Tales of games are incredibly dull with shit pacing and bottom of the barrel shonen stories and cast.

>>11933095
>wiki-admin sees the same exact shit going on
>does nothing about it because the nice kid said he was giving up and handing the idea over
>kid lied since he found a stupid bitch who enabled his thieving cuntery and committed guerilla warware against you
>would dismantle him openly if a remake wasn't just announced
>kid addicted to social-media buzz just keeps doing the opposite of what you say since he knows he'll never see 'success' ever again
>after release, drop it like a silent nuke that changed the face of the tcrf page (now broken into multiple because you hoarded that much info from his clique)
>on top of that, release it in multiple name flavors, say that the OG name patch is the one you prefer because at least it's not plagiarized from a wiki
>other hack is virtually delegitimized overnight as woefully unfinished with almost nothing legit in it that wasn't either dated wiki info or from the red fruit man
Legend of the Two Cakes...

>>11933013
Ok, SoR3 on hard is still harder xd I forgot how the bullshit ramps up in later stages --but it's still a bad romhack. Patched BK3 feels like a nice middle ground between BK3 and SoR, regardless of whether it's intended or not. What >>11933040 says makes sense.

>>11933254
>"it's generic jarpig slop"
If only. Tales games are the lowest form of jarpig slop. They'd be improved by mediocrity.

>>11929470 (OP)
Well yes I'd like QOL improvements along with English patch to make that game from the era of non-existent game design to be even remotely fun. What's wrong with that?

>>11933375
Make that shit optional! Oh, what's that? Afraid to let your text work stand on its own?

>>11933375
>from the era of non-existent game design
Let me guess, not being able to breeze through a game on your first playthrough is inexcusable bad design? A game over screen is a "gaming sin"?

>>11929470 (OP)
basically working design and what they did with alundra

>>11933467
What did they do with Alundra? I loved that game.

>>11933478
buffed enemies and decreased the time on the puzzle challenges. Theres an unWD patch to fix it (make it the same as the jap version)

>>11933495
I never knew that, it's one of my favorite games, but super hard, I'll have to try to unbuff it, the soundtrack is incredible too. I can never find the track where Meia's mom is burned to death and they come to find her to kill her too but it's the most emotional part in the game for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64w17ohj-R4

>>11933083
The 3 worst examples of this:
NeoDemiforce Final Fantasy 2 (1998)
J2e Final Fantasy 4 (2001)
RPGe Final Fantasy 5 (1998)

FF5 isn't as bad as the other two, but the tl;dr is:
>FF4 already got an official release on the original hardware, there's nothing wrong with the official translation
>FF2 and FF5 got releases on PS1, there's nothing wrong with the official translation.
>a bunch of IRCfags start saying these translations are censored and need to be re-translated
>decide they will "re-translate" them themselves
>10 "script revisers" and "hackers"
>1 translator
>the translator was just some kid in a high school Japanese class
>the translation is obviously just an edit of the original script
>added swearing
>added pandering for Final Fantasy shippers
>added pop culture references
>entire conversations replaced with fanfiction

People recommended them over the official releases for years, until everyone suddenly realized that FFIV isn't supposed to have references to Brittany Spears and William Shatner in it.

>>11930241
People put up with that insufferable bastard for so long because at least he actually knew Japanese, unlike the J2e/NeoDemiforce clowns. SMT community telling him to FUCK OFF instead of kissing his ass the way most other RPG communities would is one of the things I'm most proud of as an SMT fan.

>>11929470 (OP)
Your run was already invalid so how does it matter?

>>11933415
youngshits don't realize these things cost $100 and they wouldn't be getting another until next xmas, or maybe a bday

>>11933375
Why do dumb kids think games having any semblance of design sensibility is some novel thing and old video games were all flashes in the pan? Games are an ancient concept. Rules and fairness are pretty universal. Video games didn't just suddenly start having thought put into their design just because you started realizing they did. It was always there.

>>11934070
>>FF4 already got an official release on the original hardware, there's nothing wrong with the official translation
>>FF2 and FF5 got releases on PS1, there's nothing wrong with the official translation.
Yeah, bullshit. 4's typeface was way too huge and kind of chopped out text, while 5's PS1 localization was notoriously fucky, from Faris' pirate speak to the Y Burn stuff, etc. It's simply crap stuffed between 4 and 6 being at least decent.

>>11934119
That stuff may be true, but these weren't the guys to fix it.
The FF4 patch in particular expands the textboxes into the overscan area because they only tested on emulators, meaning if you try to play it on hardware and a real TV, the text is completely unreadable.

>>11934119
Faris' pirate speak can be excused since she's supposed to sound gruff and there's no real equivalent to stereotypical pirate speech in Japanese ('just make it sound manly' 90% of the time).
Though the reason why the PlayStation translation of Final Fantasy V was so rough was bevause it was borrowed from the unfinished one used for the canceled outsourced PC port (could be the same person who did as FFIIUS, and it was -not- Ted Woolsey as falsely reported by weebshitters): https://web.archive.org/web/20071025133744fw_/http://www.warmech.net/special/ff5pcinterview/ff5pcinterview.html

>>11929545
Why would you need a translation for a fucking beat-em-up?

>>11934936
>"DO! BASEBALL!"
>"IT'S LIKE BOO!"
ummm excuse me put it is more properly translated as
>"Let's all play football!"
>"It is very scary!"

>>11934936
Missing scenes in the Western release

https://tcrf.net/Streets_of_Rage_3/Regional_Differences

>>11934984
Stupid retard, just play it untranslated. You don’t need to read to understand a beat em up.

>>11935008
I've played it untranslated a million of times, just thought it would be a change of page to try not looking at moonrunes for once

>>11935008
I've played it untranslated a million of times, just thought it would be a change of pace to try not looking at moonrunes for once

>>11929553
has never happened and you just made up the entire scenario because you're a /pol/troon with a persecution complex

>>11934096
They unironically think developers had no idea what they were doing because they didn't have "game design school" back then.

>>11935021
If only.
Remember the likes of FFVI's Relocalization Retranslated projects?
Of course you don't, they all just yanked whatever SkyRender/Slattery/kWhazit/Mato/wiki/whatever scraps they can cobble together and claim is definitive.

>>11929470 (OP)
kys

>>11935079
>burying the lead this hard
>"retransrated!"
I..honestly do not know what the hell was wrong with these people and that game. I surmise it mainly came down to Tomato being way too lenient and the first "big" post-rpgone hack being extremely underresearched when it started, stuff happened, and then nearly everyone except those who already started making Tomato-based hacks gave up on honest translation discourse and just went with the underresearched hack anyway because the author at least took in criticism/competition.

>>11929470 (OP)
>"Purist" hack
>changes the game anyways
Take SMBDX for example, imagine calling this game a purist port of SMB.

>>11933095
>WE STOLE FROM A WIKI
You rang?

>>11933269
>This has always been a valid reason to dislike JRPGs
No it is not, it's DMCbabby cope.
Notice all the praise slop from the recent era are overthetop action game garbage and shitroidvania-shitssborne vomit.

Looking at you Final Fantasy.

>>11933364
>Tales games are the lowest form of jarpig slop
But nobody is discussing about Nintendo RPGs

>>11933083
>doesn't even work on real hardware
Very cool translation. Guess I dodged a bullet.

>>11933083
I just want the fucking ROM hack that's the original text unaltered just with the FM Sound Unit support. Is that so hard to understand? No, I have no interest resorting to the SEGA AGES emulation for that, this should be something hacks provided for us.

>>11935213
Partly, but I think he also scrubbed his hack of RPGOne-isms because he figured that, if his hack is going to be the base for future hacks, it might as well be the one that DOESN'T throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it turns out that's what most people want all along since most hacks that do claim to do that mess it up.

>>11934936
>Why would you need a translation for a fucking beat-em-up?
Rushing Beat Shura actually has different routes, including bad endings, so not knowing what anyone is saying kind of hinders that. And The Peace Keepers butchered what plot was there while fucking with all sorts of things, removing a large amount of the music (which doesn't have the remainders on by default, in favor of ambient noise), digitized actors for portraits, etc.
It's actually kind of crazy to me that Shura is still untranslated.

>>11930236
LMAO

>>11935079
>This is a real screenshot someone made because of internal in-fighting over who gets to succeed the RPGOne Translation at RHDN
Source: https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=28660.msg379694#msg379694
Is it just me, or did they bully Nightcrawler out of releasing a hack? How deep does this go? wtf
No political comments please, I'm just a messenger.

>>11929993
You mean patches that unrape the game and return it to how it originally was

>>11929470 (OP)
I purposefully add rebalances to my translations to ensure that EoPs did not actually beat the game.

>>11935213
>burying the lead
it's "lede" you slut

>>11939110
>it's "lede"
What if anon isn't a pretentious twat?

>>11939164
>Evil men are... LE HANDSOME!
Why are women like this.

>>11930478
>but they put it behind console region setting
Why didn't they just make it a separate hack?

>>11933031
>>11933019
VTMB's "unofficial patch" has been doing the exact same thing for years, even in the basic version that isn't supposed to have any actual changes in it besides bugfixes.
we5p moved the fucking dinosaur, I can't believe people aren't upset by that.

>Fan translation forces you to sit through their really awful fandub by a confirmed tranny
>No you can't edit our translation to remove the fandub, that's stealing our proprietary code and we will internet cancel you if you even THINK about circumventing our encrypted hexcode DRM to alter our work for your own purposes

>>11934070
>SMT community telling him to FUCK OFF instead of kissing his ass the way most other RPG communities would is one of the things I'm most proud of as an SMT fan.
the SRW community should do that instead of letting him sit on SRW@1 at 65% for another decade
fuck Gideon

>>11929470 (OP)
This is absolutely what pathetic faggots like you deserve. I'm glad you tried to modify the game and had a worse experience. Idiot fucking dipshit.

>>11934070
>at least he actually knew Japanese
Gideon doesn't know Japanese, he's a hacker/programmer.

Also there was plenty wrong in these official FF translations. You don't have to lie to make the other side looks worse, it still doesn't excuse them.

>>11938118
>there really is a hack cabal who'll vanish-doom anyone
Most disappointing game-related news I've heard this year.

>>11939631
The absolute state

>>11940547
>Gideon doesn't know Japanese, he's a hacker/programmer.
Serious question: how many of them actually know Japanese?
Seems like the community is basically code monkeys surrounded by larpers.

>>11933491
This is never the case.

>>11940318
You should see someone about that tourettes.

>>11939615
Because most people are idiots when it comes to patching CDs and asking them to patch a disc twice with separate translation and rebalance hacks is inviting a horde of clueless users constantly nagging you for tech support.

>>11938190
Working Designs games are already piss easy. I don't know why anyone would want to revert it to journalist/baby mode

>>11929470 (OP)
This happens far, far more often in officially published games than fan translations.

>>11939631
>DRM
that's just enough to get them into hot water like with Sonic Gather Battle and other fangames that implement anticheat DRM.

>>11939568
To fulfill their raunchy novel fantasies.

>>11933495
They claimed they buffed enemy attack and nerfed their health, but the truth is they didn't nerf any enemy HP at all.

>>11939631
>that's stealing our proprietary code
Gee I wonder what would happen if I notified the ones who own the proprietary code your proprietary code is editing...

>>11929536
why are you all retro gamers if you all genuinely believe retarded stuff like this? there is nothing stopping you from playing actual games.

>>11940686
It's not really a question of "knowing" Japanese, it's that most amateurs think taking one (1) course of Japanese suddenly makes them secret supersmart nihongexperts when really they're just weebtards mildly more adept at inputting data for their machine tools.

>>11933214
someone it's trying to remade the snes translation but it's also adding a bunch of useless shit like dubbing and the cut character

>>11938997
dont care, still beat it

>>11941870
>gamers

Where do you "people" come from?

>>11942548
Man I hate fan dubs. Like, there's something autistic enough about the Tales community to do it for at least one game, the fact that someone's trying it for another is even more ridiculous- I imagine it took less effort to actually just add subtitles to the voiced sequences for the PS1 version of Phantasia, than it would be to try to get someone to dub voice lines and then crunchify it for getting into the SFC game data itself.

Don't care since I just play the original in Japanese

>hahaha get it the joke is RICK ROLL lmao. now laugh!
most of all, it happens inside a MUSIC STUDIO so this could not have possibly been an accident.

>>11943963
At least someone made a uncensored patch to this one (Imagine that, having to make an uncensored patch to a fan translation).

>>11929960
But Rebirth has shit balancing to begin with

I guess this shit never bothered me because I play romhacks already.

>>11943963
Those two guys are called Burikki and Gorikki in Japanese and they have a move called BuriGoriRoRa. Not translating it as Rikki Roller would be stupid, even if there was no internet meme with a similar name.

>>11943963
Kino

>>11933214
>only real version with no bullshit attached is a version that has two separate translation teams fighting over it
It's also the version with fucked up music.

>and there's potential game-stopping bugs in both translations
Try this. https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7392/

>>11942548
Why? I don't mean the other parts, I mean picking the SNES version and not literally any other version which are all better.

>>11940727
I don't care. I'm not going play their raped and mangled version, no matter what the game is. Working Designs were bad game deisgners and even worse localizers. They deserved to out of business.

>>11933491
This is often the case.

>>11944273
ToP Snes plays quite differently compared to the other versions. I think that makes it quite interesting.
Also, the translation contains some really shitty added humour.