Thread 11959663

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This thread is dedicated to the discussion of any classic games made by Blizzard Entertainment; those being every game released from their early days as Silicon & Synapse to the release of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne (2003). Fans of Warcraft, StarCraft, Diablo and even older series like The Lost Vikings, Rock N' Roll Racing and Blackthorne are all welcome here.

For a short history of Blizzard and a list of all their games, check out this wiki:
>https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/List_of_Blizzard_Entertainment_games

- COMMUNITY PASTEBIN -
You can find custom content made by other /vr/ users, as well as download links, mods, guides and more by visiting our community pastebin:
>https://pastebin.com/t4KiZqKS

Relax, talk and play. Let's have a good thread.

Well played. Good to be back.

Now, please provide a list of things Arthas did wrong. Oh wait, lmao.

>>11959687
1) didn't kill uther fast enough
and uhhhh

Daily reminder

just an question, what is blizzard entertainment?

>>11959751
A beautiful, dazzling snow storm of high-quality video entertainment products. A veritable treat for the senses.

>tfw we are unironically back
Might have to open shop and get cracking on grooby's nightmare/orc wars again, now I feel inspired.

>>11959663 (OP)
resharted fags on absolute suicide watch

Game 1: Far Seer harassment. Fortunately was not that good and managed to get himself stuck behind my natural with a sleep surround. Afterwards fucked off and tried to get to fast wyverns but wasn’t expecting my gargoyles to slap the shit out of them. Kind of sad, my banshees were only just starting to come out before he tapped out.

Game 2: Best game against NE. Current patch makes NE creeping slower and my ghouls slap around archers but he went for fast Huntress with potm and he held me off since I was greedy with my tech. Went I went to check for lores, he already had an expo up and of all things that did me on were HIPPO RIDERS. I tried switching to gargoyles from fiends but he would dismount hippos and slap me with archers and hippo melee. I wasn’t even mad. NE unit variety lacks so much that I’m happy to lose to unusual things.

>play brood war
>the fag picks protoss
oh, gee, oh wow, i wonder what you're going to do. you aren't going to harass with zealots and try to rush to mass carriers are you? what's that? you're even going to use a few dragoons? holy...

>>11959828
>Far Seer Harassment
Hard to pull off honestly, Orc sucks ass for harassing

>>11959842
orc sucks in general if we're being honest. apparently orc and human are almost equal in comp win rate but i have a hard time believing it

what should I use to cope with Fire Immunes later?
Freezing Arrow, Guided Arrow, Strafe, Magic Arrow?

>>11959947
in Classic btw, not sure if it matters too much though.

>>11959947
>shartsurrected
at least turn on classic graphics, how do you enjoy looking at that muddy contrastless garbage? anyway, just get a merc with freezing arrow and keep an ice weapon as your secondary for further backup

>>11959953
no mercs or runewords in classic. >>11959949
I like the graphics. it doesn't have the same soul as the original, but I still think it looks good. it's not like wc3 where they turned everything into poop.

>>11959958
you don't need "runewords" to have an ice weapon and if you're playing actual CLASSIC then why the fuck are you using the "it doesn't have the same soul, but..." graphics mode?

>>11959965
that's the box art!
I thought you were talking about the Ice runeword. there's no weapon swap in classic either.

>>11959949
>D2 without LOD
I don't think I've played this way since 2000, need to try it again. I always thought synergies were a lame addition, encouraging you to put your points into predetermined companion skills rather than just freewheeling it.

>>11959784
Post some new World Editor shots of it, if you're feelin Grooby.

>>11960016
Get this: that's what the game looks like too.

>>11960496
i got D2 around 2002 and i don't think i've ever played classic other than maybe making a single char once at 12 years old, seeing less content and thinking "lame" and quitting 15m later. i've heard a lot about it over the last few years and now that i know how much more balanced it is i might have to give it a try. not ruining build diversity with synergies and runes sounds appealing.

>>11959965
There's a higher-resolution version of that pic >>10604058
>>11960809
I got it around the Christmas it came out, made it to Act 3, had a problem with my computer where I lost everything, and then didn't play it again until maybe 2019/20. Since then I've only played it through LoD and mods, been meaning to give classic patches a go but I'm too modspoiled and will probably just play it with Sanctuary Legend again.

>>11960871
god lut gholein has so much SOVL. i don't even like desert aesthetics normally but they did it up good here.

>>11959663 (OP)
>op picrel
LOL btfo’d

>>11960809
>>11960871
Does anybody have a link to completely vanilla D2 with no patches?

>>11961229
Just some internet archive searches:
https://archive.org/details/DiabloIIUSA
https://archive.org/details/diablo_ii_complete_2000-01_-_official_localizations
It's kind of strange the pastebin only has links to the "official" downloads, especially with how much the frequent posters here hate modern Blizz.

>>11961348
>It's kind of strange the pastebin only has links to the "official" downloads
Are you blind or just retarded?

>>11961389
he looked at the pastebin for all of 10 seconds and was too much of a tide pod addled zoomer to actually read it, so he went back to being butthurt about how badly he got rekt in the OP image

>>11961389
>Are you blind or just retarded?
...Yes. yikes

Alright, all the D2 posting has gotten me hard. I thought I was done with this life-sucking timesink but the sound of cows dying and runes dropping harkens me back once more.

I think I'm gonna go WW barb and I'm gonna make him an HC character. It's been awhile since I've played so what's better, dual wield or shield? I'm thinking sword and board since this'll be HC and survovability is a major concern.

>>11960871
>Sanctuary Legend
wuzzat?

>>11959842
with level 1 FS harassment and the ability to tech switch into raiders/wyverns after steady headhunter pressure, not sure how Orc harass is weak

>>11959830
reads like a larper trying to play bw

>>11959896
Orc is really strong actually, especially since tauren were given resistant skin baseline and raiders exist. raiders alone are obscene with their nets, and Hunter 2nd with hex secures kills like nothing else.

Only thing orc has an issue with is expanding before T3 but even then it's not necessarily because it's bad but because TGH provides insane value over a standard expansion

>>11961820
>reads like a larper trying to play bw
That is literally how 99% of casual protoss players play, not sure what you're on about. Obviously things change at a competitive level but I doubt that guy is playing poopsocker koreans at a televised event. The only thing he forgot to mention is the prevelance of faggy cannon rushers.

>>11959726
gonna need a QRD here chief

>>11961810
https://d2mods.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68739
A Diablo 2 mod that got plugged into the Diablo threads awhile back that I've been a shilling ever since. It suits my desire to replay a single difficulty run of the game, and I like some of his balance ideas for the barb, paladin, and especially amazon:
>Amazon's lightning skills can be used with any melee/throwing weapon, Fend usable with any melee weapon, Jab and Impale usable with any thrusting weapon
>>11961850
Console RTS involving some ex-Blizzard devs. Haven't played it myself but it looks like one of the more fun and plausible console RTS's.

>>11961867
took a cursory glance at that post and it looks pretty neat
>melee lightning zon
noice.

>>11960496
they have synergies and mana pots. if you want the OG classic you need to use Cactus to play 1.00 or 1.05b. melee should still have the correct formulas that work in those patches.

>>11960798
it's a Lut Gholein layout that isn't in the final product though.

>>11961229
use cactus. it's the best way to play old patches.

>>11961563
>shield on barb
lul.
dual wield is meta because grief is cool, and beast lets you hit cool ias breakpoints.
2h is soul because Immortal King.
you could also dual wield Bul-Kathos, but that's pretty uncommon.

>>11962278
>shield on HC barb
>"lul."
Ask me how I know you're a non-hardcore shitter.

>>11962269
Let's use our critical thinking skills: was that original screenshot supposed to demonstrate the graphical quality of OG D2 compared to D2R? Or was it to demonstrate the superiority of D2's beta layout for Lut Gholein? Think hard.

>>11961850
It's a console RTS made by Ron Millar and his brother. Ron used to work at Blizzard and had a big hand in basically every classic blizz game:
https://www.mobygames.com/person/123590/ronald-millar-sr/credits/
His credits are insane. Writing, game design, artwork. He was the lead designer on WC2 and StarCraft, but he left right before SC was finished and was replaced by some hapa in the eleventh hour. He's the unsung hero of Blizzard and I never see him mentioned.

What's interesting is that the game (Goblin Commander) started development around the same time as WC3, released right after WC3, and uses a ton of the same audio/visual assets. Very similar artstyle and some overlapping game mechanics, both to WC3 and other Blizzard games. It even has a few direct references like one of the factions being named Hellfire. It's basically a bliz game in everything but name. It's short and simple compared to the PC games, but it's a ton of fun, has a good story and 10/10 atmosphere.

>>11959663 (OP)
Lol. That pic is pretty good, not gonna lie. Things got real weird after the hack but I'm glad we're back. The board as a whole seems to be recovering a bit IMO.
Also, is that you original OP? You were mr. friendly most of the time in the old threads so I'm surprised if you're bringing the bantz like this

>>11962526
Unfortunately it’s not Mr. Friendly.

it’s not like you could enforce no modern clients considering they’re already being discussed in this thread :)

>>11962526
I don't really want to focus on this stuff, but yes, it's me. I got a little burned out for awhile frankly. After the site came back (and the last two threads were soap operas), I had to take a break. I've been lurking though. I saw those "cbg but not cbg" threads and I tried to remain distant but it became a little too gay and retarded for me to ignore. I'm afraid I could not allow that dumpster fire to continue.

>>11962551
good man. these threads are always fun and your hard work is appreciated so don't dip out again. let's keep it going.

>>11962408
but I was talking about how I recognized that from the box art and that it's not in the game.

>>11962534
same game, idk why you would gatekeep.

>>11962578
>let's keep it going.
Damn straight. On that note, one thing I'd like to do is expand the pastebin to include more resources for individual patches for games in addition to the mostly full-updated download links we have now. You guys talking about D2 classic vs LoD made me think about that. I'll include a link to the cactus program the one anon mentioned in the next thread, and it eould be nice to have similar links for SC, WC and so on. Hell, let's get different builds for the console games if we can. The pastebin will need some streamlining if we get that stuff (to prevent it from being a textbook long) but give me credible links and I'll find a way to condense them.

>>11962551
Are you Grooby-anon as well?
Also put this together, dunno if we'll use or need it for next thread.

>>11962598
I saw you mentioned you were working on an OP image and would bake the next real thread. I didn't mean to undercut you (you did a great job when I was gone and you baked a few months back, by the way) but that last shit was on page 10 and I didn't want to take a chance that the cancer would spread so I took the opportunity to bake. That's our next OP image for sure.
>Grooby
No comment.

>>11962595
>I'll include a link to the cactus program
https://codeberg.org/fearedbliss/Cactus

Diablo 2 is better than D1 in almost every way and I'm not tired of not pretending it is.

>>11962641
d1 is a game ruined by a single fatal flaw. that flaw is walking speed.

>>11962618
>knockoff github shit
>not a regular download link
coooome ooooon...

>>11962609
>I saw you mentioned you were working on an OP image and would bake the next real thread. I didn't mean to undercut you (you did a great job when I was gone and you baked a few months back, by the way) but that last shit was on page 10 and I didn't want to take a chance that the cancer would spread so I took the opportunity to bake.
Perfectly cool. It's been a weird few weeks, and I think when I showed off that pic another thread suddenly got baked which caught me off guard.
>No comment.
Hm, alright. I guess I assumed the original baker was also the guy working on >>11959784

>>11962265
>Correct melee formulas
Qrd? I'm familiar with the no mana pots or synergies on release, but not the melee formula stuff.

>>11962438
i had this game as a kid. played the crap out of it. always wished i had been able to play the multiplayer mode but i could never convince a friend to play it with me.

>>11962672
filtered

>>11962672
DevilutionX and the PSX port have faster gamespeed options. D1’s biggest “quirk” for me are its original three skills: Repair and staff recharge would make more sense if town portaling wasn’t so relatively available. It makes me wonder how much more strict the game was going to be as a more traditional “roguelike”.

>>11962641
This was always the consensus and only a handful of contrarian spergs on /vr/ argue otherwise. D2 is timeless; an unironic contender for best game ever made. D1 was a game you'll probably have a lot of nostalgia for if you grew up with it, but it's as deep as a puddle and has very slow, stilted movement and combat. D1 is a "good" game, but it's inferior to D2 in every objective manner.

I also find it odd how any time this gets brought up, you inevitably have the guy who says "D1 had better atmosphere brooo". That shit boggles my mind. Great atmosphere, yes, but not better. Outside of Tristram itself D1 is mostly an aesthetic bore. D2 is riddled with ambiance. Nothing in D1 compares to common experiences of D2 like finding some little shack in chapter 1 while it's dark and rainy outside, and using it as a temporary refuge to manage your inventory or message a friend -- let alone the more epic moments.

D2 is just a killer fucking game, man. I will be playing this shit for the rest of my life.

>>11962720
he's a schizo and pulled it off github to host there.

Alright, I started a hardcore barb. I usually go for swords, but I'm getting Axe Mastery this time. 2025 just seems like a good year for rekking fagoid demons with nothing but a fat slab of metal on a stick. Cleared the Blood Moor and Den of Evil, got some alright starter gear, a few gemstones, rejuvies, and so on.

I've only ever managed to beat HC with a summon necro. Getting through this with a barb is going to be a very different experience. Wish this little vin diesel looking dude some good luck, because chances are... he's going to die sooner than us.

>>11965334
classic?

>>11965349
I'm on LoD 1.14d. I'd like to play a classic character at some point, but I haven't played in like 6 years so I'm gonna ease back into things.

>>11965359
leveling a barb without double swing is miserable. good luck.

>>11965364
I know, it's gonna be rough, but I'm gonna try to play it safe and overlevel before any boss fights. If I can just get to 30 for WW then I don't think it'll be too bad. Duriel has me worried though.

I'm glad that I grew up with Diablo and Quake.

>>11965439
growing up with id software and blizz games is as good as it gets

>>11964976
D2 is the better game overall and more ambitious but it does have a few downgrades from the first game, most notable being the AI.
In the first game, maybe it's because of the larger tile size giving more restrictive movement. 8 directions vs 16, in D1 a single tile is quite large while D2 uses smaller subtitles.
In D1 you have enemies like the goats who will take wide paths to surround you, and some interesting characters like the Hidden.
In D2, despite the enemies having more interesting interactions (Fallen + Shaman, Zealot + Zakarum Priest) the AI always gets clumped into a ball for you to delete with one skill or easily juke past.
The exception to this is the Act 5 imps who can do all sorts of cool shit and demonstrate how good D2s enemies could have been.
The clumping, combined with the exponentially increasing speed between acts turns the later stages of the game into breakneck fast encounters. Enemies fly at you at 100mph in a blob, you delete them with a big skill like swatting a fly.
Not to say chasing succubus through hell as they kite you is better, but there is a middle ground between these that would have been made for really good gameplay.

>>11966025
>In D1 you have enemies like the goats who will take wide paths to surround you, and some interesting characters like the Hidden.
That "wide path" you'll sometimes see isn't exclusive to them, all enemies will do that as you're moving while they try to figure out the best way to get in a tile close to you. The goats otherwise mob you like the rest. Hidden are trickier to evaluate since they're invisible until they're in your face but I haven't felt much different behavior.
>In D2, despite the enemies having more interesting interactions (Fallen + Shaman, Zealot + Zakarum Priest) the AI always gets clumped into a ball for you to delete with one skill or easily juke past.
In D1, enemies line up to get bonked through doorways. You won't always have them like in hell, but likewise you won't always be able to just run around mobs in D2.
I'll test some Act V imps later but I recall them behaving similar to the fetishes from Act III.

>>11966256
is this supposed to be different/advanced? it's literally the exact same as d2.

>>11966358
>is this supposed to be different/advanced?
The opposite, it was posted in response to the claim that goatmen have some unique movement behavior. I don't believe anything was lost in this with D2: Fallen still freak out and scatter when you kill their friends, lots of ranged enemies are still prone to kiting you, and in some cases there's enemy behaviors that are strict upgrades (like zombies).

>>11966256
I believe the goats do have a novel movement pattern that is distinct from the others. Most of the Diablo 1 monsters have some kind of unique behavior, the Scavengers will run off to heal themselves by eating but you rarely see it since they are easy to kill and do this after retreating. Fallen keep their fleeing behavior between games. It's harder to tell the exact parameters of the D1 AI because it's not as well documented as D2.
>I'll test some Act V imps later but I recall them behaving similar to the fetishes from Act III
The imps are very different from the fetish who just run up on you. Imps shoot those Baal looking missiles and have a chance to teleport if you get close or attack. They have a chance to teleport on top of towers or siege beasts where they act as turrets. They also have a parameter chance for running around like regular ranged units. I think they might be the most complex monster in AI in either game.
A lot of D2 monsters have unique behavior but the clumping up really undoes a lot of that character, especially in the melee monsters.
Most Diablo 2 players online will call the most interesting monsters, like imps or leapers in >>11966407 "annoying" so it seems people prefer the clumping.

>>11966025
>muh AI
Never once have I thought "gee gosh, I would be enjoying this game a lot more if this goatman was flanking me!". It's a bizarre thing to even single out honestly, especially since the AI isn't actually better in D1 to begin with and everything you're describing is just the result of the shitty tile-based movement system.

This is putting aside the fact that "clumping" in this kind of game is ideal and having to chase down individual enemies like leapers is annoying and unsatisfying. Quite literally, who cares?

>>11966440
>I believe the goats do have a novel movement pattern that is distinct from the others.
Haven't seen it yet. Once I do I'll post a webm, or you can support your claim with your own clip. I have my doubts until then - just like when I last talked about it in the old Diablo threads: https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11438424#p11443019
I thought this was all sounding familiar.
>Most Diablo 2 players online will call the most interesting monsters, like imps or leapers in >>11966407 (You) "annoying" so it seems people prefer the clumping.
I mean that makes sense with how many Diablo 1 players weren't a fan of the kiting and loved clumping up enemies around doorwars. It's not a solely "D1 or D2" thing, fans of these games just love easy killan.

anybody know how to open multiple instances of D2? i play offline singleplayer and i'd like to mule on one device
>just use atma an sheeeit
i refuse to use mods. my installation will remain pure and virginal, similar to my penis.

>>11966407
they're just taking the most direct path to get in range of you in both games. it's likely that because the pathfinding is better in d2 they look like they walk differently in their attempt to surround you.
>d1
>pathfind to any adjacent tile
>d2
>pathfind to you and search for closest adjacent tile within a certain range
if there is even a difference in the way they're coded. idk just sounds like more d1 schizo cope.

>>11967243
if you're using cactus, singling has that feature, and singling is supported on all but one of the patches worth playing.
plugy has that feature for the only patch worth playing not supported by singling.
otherwise you need to learn to code, or use multiple windows profiles.

>>11967519
>idk just sounds like more d1 schizo cope.
That's exactly what it is.
>u-uh sure D2 has better graphics, more classes, a real world to explore, a better story and characters, but uhh, uhhh... muh D1 AI...?
I can't imagine loving D1 and not loving D2 10x more. The one and only thing it's missing is succubi titties.

>>11967619
>succubus titties
Id let her succ my bus if you catch my drift

This would be fun to netplay

>>11966358
>the same as D2
I think you mean shittier than D2

>>11959726
suu set suu tay...

Thanks for bringing these threads back.

>>11967741
Impossible to find now with search engines burying anything old under mountains of slop, but I remember an old forum post where a guy was desperately asking for help to mod the game so that the succubus doesn't have visible nipples.
People in the thread are saying you can't, why, etc and the long and short of it is that the guy can't stop wanking when he sees the pixels that represent the nipples.
I think of it every time I see the succubus, the 2000's era protocoomer. This guy was so far ahead of his time, before the invention of gooning even.

>>11969640
I don't blame him, it's probably the sexiest sprite/model in any game ever made.

>>11967864
LV doesn't get enough love. Very cool puzzle-platformers. Can't really think of any other games like them either. One of these days I'll have to get around to playing the SNES/Genesis version of Lost Vikings 2, only ever played it on PS1.

>>11969541
this has been an unusually good thread. feels nice to be back.
knock on wood it's because there's been basically 0 discussion of refunded and shartmastered/shartsurrected. wow, talking about the real games from the 90s/2000s instead of the modern SJW female dev team abortion / outsourced chinese remakes actually results in quality discussion, who would've guessed??

>buy Diablo 2 Battlechest
>poopsock the game but for some reason end up having to buy another battle chest
>repeat 5 times
I don't know why but this seems to have been a common experience with almost anybody who played the game. Without fail, you would take a break for like 6 months, lose the discs and then have to buy another copy. And you were happy to do it.

>>11969825
mental illness.

>>11970131
stay mad faggot

>>11970131
Agreed. What else would motivate a company to, say replace a portrait of its most significant employee with a cell phone selfie of a purple haired asian woman? Clearly mental illness is the only answer. And imagine the kind of troon consoomer who'd be okay with it... Madness!

>>11969825
It’s all based on who’s posting. You can have a surprisingly restrained WoW alpha thread and you can have a terrible time here with someone who can’t stand when others like WC3’s portraits. This recent “D1 vs D2” posting hasn’t been that fun, and any remastered talk mostly got bad due to the few posters here who hated it and couldn’t ignore it.
To keep things closer to what I’d hope are your best interests, what Blizzard game have you been playing lately? Made any maps or mods? Posting screens or .webms could be nice, seems I'm often the only one to do so.

>>11970419
thanks for the history lesson but i've been here since the beginning and i know what went down.
>this recent “D1 vs D2” posting hasn’t been that fun
it was literally one guy saying muh D2 os better than D1 and a couple guys responding with actual analysis of the games and succubus tits. does every conversation need to be some niceguy shit where we all touch penis tips and high five?
>To keep things closer to what I’d hope are your best interests
you have yet to realize the value that drama has in keeping a gen alive. go with the flow.

>>11970440
Nice, you choose violence when given the option to talk actually talk about any of the games you claim to like. I can't say I'm surprised.

>>11970460
>violence
lol

>>11970464
Topkek lmao indeed.

>>11970467
you're about to sperg out again aren't you

>>11970468
>again
Nice try, kettle.

>>11970470
word dood

>>11970472
Lmfao, indeed.

moooooom....
he's baaaaaack...

>>11970491
>Anyone I don't like is 'hates WC3 portraits' anon
You are way too thirsty, anon.

>>11970470
If you're saying he sperged out first, wouldn't that make him the pot? I think you flubbed that attempt at a joke lad

>>11970502
>i'm not the portraitsperg, i'm just going to act like an oversensitive fag like he did
alright

>>11970503
>I think you flubbed that attempt at a joke lad
Admittedly, not one of my better strengths.
>>11970515
That's projecting though.

>>11969825
warcraft 3 melee pvp discussion is inherently reforged related and has already happened in this thread

funny, how the thread has only stayed enriched with it's inclusion

>>11970532
Lmao

>>11970530
>That's projecting though
persomally i would qualify somebody calling meanie words on an anonymous messageboard "violence" to be indicative of spergish behavior, but we'll just agree to disagree.

>>11970542
>personally i would qualify somebody calling meanie words on an anonymous messageboard "violence" to be indicative of spergish behavior
Like from "bro woke up and chose violence"?
Yes, let's definitely agree to disagree...

>>11970551
>it's actually one of my epic zoomer memes
that explains your femininity and tolerance of shartsurrected

>Metzen poster getting baited
Come on man, I expected better of you.

>>11970560
You missed the meme and now resort to 'le zoomies'...
>>11970565
Sorry bud, but you really shouldn't have.

>>11970574
>Sorry bud, but you really shouldn't have.
You having a bad day dude? What's up?

>>11970574
>you missed my epic meme!!!!
that sounds like an issue between you and your vagina

>>11970580
I'm good. It's also not the first time I've been sperged out like this by the same or similar anon.
>>11970589
>>you missed my epic meme!!!!
More just a phrase, really, though it explains the earlier reaction.

>>11970597
>I'm good
Alright...

>>11970580
he's mad because somebody said stinky winkies about D1 and then he was finally buckbroken when i called him out on his nice guy redditor shit. i don't know, maybe he got cucked or lost his wallet in real life or something too, who knows.

>>11970610
cute chick

This is all very interesting, but uh, anyway...

I tried out that Forgotten World SC map in the pastebin. Pretty neat actually. Standard two player melee scenario but it's decent quality. The bases are asymmetrical. One of the starting locations has two entrances but the entrances are pretty narrow, while the other one is backed into a corner and only has one entrance but it's wide, so they're roughly equal in terms of how hard they are to defend. Also some nice visual flair. The designer seemed to like little hidden fuckoff places like a remote area with dragon(?) bones in the middle of a forest clearing, no apparent purpose other than to look cool or maybe serve as some kind of refuge in the late game since it's easy to defend the chokepoint.

Overall 8/10 map, pretty fun. If the anon who made it is still around I'd like to know what his thought process was with some stuff.

>>11970678
>If the anon who made it is still around I'd like to know what his thought process was with some stuff.
I hope he's still around. For more SC stuff I was about to suggest Andrea Rosa's stuff, but apparently his site's been down and the links through the archive aren't working for me. Kind of a bummer, should be around elsewhere: https://web.archive.org/web/20250213144830/https://andrearosa.bravesites.com/sc
Speaking of pastebin and custom maps, it's missing the third Testing Waters map https://files.catbox.moe/hacrkj.zip
When I get time I'll have to check and make sure that's the newest Nimosh map. Tagging OP for awareness >>11959663 (OP)

>>11969417
this looks kinda kino not gonna lie

UTHER
MY PALDRONS ARE GROWING
I CAN BARELY SEE

Damn, things got purged.

anyone interested in multiplayer? I can share wc3 1.26 patch or game zip, all you need is wireguard and python3

>>11971690
Can't you just use hamachi?

>>11971719
it gives me the ick

>>11971757
Have you tried not masturbating to hardcore gay scat porn for awhile?

>>11971764
wg = less latency

>>11971757
definitely not playing with any fag that talks like this

I'm having a much harder time with Wc3's Hard Mode than I did with SC2's Brutal Difficulty for the campaigns. My micro/macro is decent, am I doing something wrong or did anyone else have a hard time? I had to skip the last UD mission (Reign of Chaos).

>>11972130
UD campaign on hard is notoriously brutal

>>11971690
You might have better luck somewhere on /vst/ >>>/vst/catalog

>>11972130
game speed makes a diff

>>11972130
the way wc3 is structured where it penalizes you for having an army makes it harder I think.

>>11972172
>turning down game speed to make things easier
If you have to do this then why even play hard to begin with?

Finished Act 1, got fuck all loot outside of a few chipped gems and low runes but maybe A2 will treat me better. My gear is total shit and I blew like 30k on gambling for trash, but I went out of my way to clear every area so I'm going into next act at lvl 16 which isn't bad. I managed to keep my merc alive right until I got the last hit on Andariel and she got killed, lel. Rest in peace, Paige. Now time to continue into the east and get the cube so I can condense all of the gems and rejuvies in my stash.

>>11972130
I mostly beat every campaign mission by finding some little hole with a chokepoint and putting all of my valuable buildings there and only making dirt cheap undefended expos as I cleared parts the map

>>11972130
>>11972141
>undead
Probably the hardest wc3 roc campaign imo. I think it’s partly because, as players, we had gotten so used to both the balanced attributes of the human campaign and are then put in charge of a race with zerg-like qualities but without the capability of massing and whose units are pretty expensive. Plus you get relentlessly harassed and hit hard on that last mission.
>>11972358
Definitely. The game is really about heroes, every other unit is just support at some point.
>>11973798
>I mostly beat every campaign mission by finding some little hole with a chokepoint and putting all of my valuable buildings there and only making dirt cheap undefended expos as I cleared parts the map
This works surprisingly well. Unclear why the devs never built quirks into the map to prevent that sort of thing, but I guess it’s inevitable people will find a way to exploit the maps, in any configuration.

>2000
>IBM NetVista running Win98SE
>Playing SC online
>Protoss
>Vs a faggot playing zerg
>Lost against a shitty zerling rush
>"y merica SO EZ???"
I didn't hate Koreans, but I was surprised by how much they enjoyed talking shit

>>11973747
huh, so 16 is what you get for full clearing every map?
I typically kill Andariel somewhere around 12-14 without doing any caves or extra farming, just collecting all waypoints and doing all quests and one pass through to each checkpoint.

>>11974990
>huh, so 16 is what you get for full clearing every map
Tiny bit of hyperbole on my part, there was a few small areas I skipped (e.g. I don't think I did The Pit but I did the other caves), however I did run countess twice and re-cleared a handful of places I had already been in after save/quit so yeah 16 seems about for actually clearing every area give or take. I think I've gotten to A2 as early as 9/10 before if I had gear prepared beforehand but no way would I want to do that on a fresh HC character. I'm trying to take my time and overlevel as much as possible because this guy is going to be getting smacked around until he gets WW and I really don't want to lose him. It would be the first time I've managed to clear HC with a melee character so I'm trying to stay safe. A2 is going to be a problem because there are a lot of ways for me to get fucked here. We'll see.

>>11975097
sell me on hardcore. what's the appeal?

>>11975547
challenge.

>>11975547
Every decision has weight and failure to plan ahead can mean losing a character you spent dozens or hundreds of hours on. You actually have something at stake unlike the normal game, which makes every success feel all the sweeter. There is no difference in terms of gameplay, but the knowledge that your character can truly die makes the game much more intense and makes the character feel a lot more personal.

One thing about HC though, is that you go into it knowing your character is most likely going to die. You could play for literal years and have no issue, but one day you make that one tiny mistake at the exact wrong time and it's over. It's bound to happen. I feel like this adds a sense of closure and a true end game that softcore doesn't have, because in SC it's basically "Wellp, you beat Hell and got top tier gear, now what?", with no possible end other than letting the character away on the select screen.

Once you get into HC, it's very hard to go back to gameplay where you can succeed by throwing yourself into mobs endlessly and picking up 10 different bodies. It makes it seem kind of silly and dumb, frankly.

>>11975547
>what's the appeal?
It's like playing saveless in any other game, in here you'll get a title for it.

>>11971690
just play on w3c

no one bothers with pre 1.27, even in /cbg/

>>11975963
why not

>>11975971
old client is annoying to set up and w3c has reliable servers to connect to. there is no other method aside from in-person LAN to get lower latency than playing on w3c.

it's either that or fumble endlessly like >>11971690 lol

>>11975984
is 300ms consider low?

>>11975994
W3C does not have anywhere near that level of latency, you are clearly doing something wrong

In my ladder games, my average ping varies between 15ms to 70ish for really far away players

Things are looking up a tiny bit, managed to get the runes needed for a Malice axe which should carry me through the rest of the act. Got my money back up by going back to A1 and doing so countess runs too (ergo the Malice runes). Had an A2 merc but I forgot how utterly shit they are if you don't have a really good spear so I ditched him for another rogue. Got my cube and freed up some space, grabbed the staff. Now just to get the headpiece.

>>11971787
Why did old BNet have 250ms of artificial latency built in? That shit was awful

>>11976446
>runewords and charms
ydbtg

Well, that was a butthole-clencher. Blew through almost all my gold and my entire juvie stash thanks to Duriel one-shotting my merc over and over (and otherwise rekking me in general). I almost fucked up because I kept TP'ing in and out and forgot to buy more, but I somehow managed to kill him with a sliver of health left and my merc dead and took Tyrael's portal home. Feels good to be in Act 3, should pretty much be smooth sailing until Diablo. Might go back to A1 and grind for cash/runes for awhile though, my gear is starting to get pretty rusty.

>>11976629
>playing diablo 2: no content edition
ywnbaw

>>11976746
I usually play melee roles and Duriel's always the hardest check each time. He's like D1's "Butcher check" that you can't easy return to once you're much more leveled and progressed through the game.

>>11976776
Duriel gives me trouble every single playthrough. I don't think I've ever had a character that didn't have to go back to town a few times and restock while fighting him. Pretty ballsy making him the boss of act 2 with freezing aura and all since he's basically the strongest enemy in the game aside from Diablo/Baal. It's a major difficulty spike compared to everything else.

>>11976746
every time i see my boy deckard i can't help but think how they did him dirty in diablo 3. god that game is such fucking shit.

>>11977126
You can thank this fat faggot (Jay Wilson) for that, along with D3 being garbage in general since he had control over the entire game's design. Wilson openly hated D2 and said it "sucked". I think he purposely let Cain die (in the most underwhelming, cucked way possible no less) as a sort symbolic fuck you to Diablo fans. Getting rid of this retard is the only good thing nublizz ever did.

>>11974480
asians in general love to talk smack online. mostly because they are physically weak, have small penises and cannot grow beards.

>>11977126
That's all "post koolaid" Blizz anyhow, and even then it doesn't have an effect on their original stuff.

>>11977237
oh yeah believe me, i don't even consider it canon. deckard is still alive in my mind, considering D3 isn't even a real diablo game and wasn't made by anyone from blizzard north. also
>making tyrael a nigger with IBS
even worse than how they killed cain. D3 was an abomination on every level. it's okay though, D2 is forever and it's all i need

>>11977154
>tfw David Brevik wanted to make more Diablo 2 expansions but the top jews wouldn't let him
WHY

>>11977270
IIRC the original Diablo 3 got cancelled around 2005 and had been in development since late 2001. After the corporate suits saw how WoW was raking in money with monthly fees, they probably weren't keen on the idea of selling big expacs with months worth of content anymore. Frankly, it's amazing we even got SC2 and D3, but in the case of D3 they included the whole auction house shit so SC2 was pretty much the last time we got a standalone release with expacs and no major jewery. I imagine them canning Blizzard North's original D3 had something to do with this all as well.

North's version actually looked pretty cool, and it was basically being designed as D2 but with an MMO sized world. Shame they got screwed out of finishing it.

please state your:
>favorite starcraft faction
>favorite war3 faction
>favorite d1 class
>favorite d2 class
>favorite d2 act
>favorite lost vikings character

>>11977854
>SC
Have to go with Terran. I'm one of those fags who almost always chooses the generic human military race in RTS games, but I feel like it's justified here. Being able to move buildings around is too cool, and I'm a sucker for ths "hillbillies in space" thing they have going.
>WC3
I have to go with the humans again because I love being able to build quickly by putting multiple peasants on one task, and I like their mix of knights and machines.
>D1 class
Warrior all the way. Easily the hardest to level in the early game but very rewarding in the long haul. Also I like to think warrior is the "canon" class since he's the closest to the dark wanderer in D2.
>D2 class
Is there any answer but necro? All of the D2 classes are fun, but nothing beats necro. Poison Nova alone makes him the coolest.
>D2 act
Every act other than 3 is so strong that I have a hard time deciding, but I'll go with 4. It gets a lot of hate for being short compared to the others but I really like how the last bastion of heaven is just this lonely, quiet little refuge and you get to explore the ashy wastes of hell. It is the quintessential Diablo aesthetic.
>favorite viking
Olaf is a chad. Also, if it counts, I always thought the kid with the lollipop in Lost Vikings 2 was funny.

>>11977879
>Every act other than 3
What's wrong with act 3

>>11977884
It isn't terrible by any means but it's the weakest part of the game IMO. Kurast is kind of a shitty hub compared to the others and the environments are very narrow and repetitive. The enemy variety is limited and things don't really get interesting until Travincal. The quests are lame too - I kill some random enemy and get a figurine that I trade for another figurine 10 seconds later and then I get a tiny health upgrade as a reward? Ehhhh...

>>11977879
>Terran
>humans
>tie between warrior and barbarian
>paladin
>tie between act 1 and 2
>Olaf

>>11977154
Ah yes, Jay "Fuck that loser" Wilson

>>11972130
Are you playing the original or reforged?

Reforged was rebalanced to be much more difficult and aggressive in Hard mode.

A BIG tip for UD in general but especially in the last UD RoC mission, instead of building towers, build Halls of the Dead.

I found UD in RoC and Sentinels in TFT to be the hardest. Fuck those nagas.

>>11978108
>Reforged was rebalanced to be much more difficult and aggressive in Hard mode.
It's unintentionally more difficult because the chinks they outsourced it to fucked up everything under the sun

>>11978371
it was blizzard that fucked it up, the devs were behind sc:r and that was a good port. Brian Sousa is the retard that should get all the blame but he fucked off before it even launched.

>more purging
What's going on? https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11959663#p11975547
You can see what got pinched from the archive.

>>11978914
thankfully, it's mostly racism that's being purged. this is a good thing, as it keeps people who love reforged, remastered, and resurrected away.

>>11978948
>thankfully, it's mostly racism that's being purged. this is a good thing, as it keeps people who love reforged, remastered, and resurrected away.
That doesn't apply to the first shitcanned shitpost that was condemning those versions >>11969825
This was wanting to see the appeal of hardcore which has been in D2 forever >>11975547
This seemed an honest attempt to start some genuine simple discussion >>11977854
And based on the traditional pre-LoD hud and resolution >>11976446 >>11976746 appears to be playing classic D2.
Stranger still is that not all posts responding to them are getting deleted.

>>11978976
>remastered/reforged
Please don’t tell me we’re fighting about this shit again…

>>11978976
Have you noticed that the board seems almost unmoderated recently? All the 7th gen and bait threads popping up without getting pruned? Well, that's because those are allowed now, and the board IS moderated. The problem is, the moderation is only targeting users who criticize the moderation. As for why some of those seemingly innocuous posts were deleted, it's because the IPs attached to them were purged. It used to be that mods would only do this in extreme cases, but the board is currently under the control of an iron-fisted tranny who now wipes every post under a given IP when banning someone. So likely, any or all of those users said something like "what's going on, why is 7th gen allowed now?" or some other little comment, and the freak just instanatly banned them and deleted anything else they had posted, whether it was on topic or not.

What's the end goal here? I'm not sure, but it seems like they're actively trying to kill the board. This has been going on for weeks. IMO, the hacked made a ton of moderators leave and now the only one(s) left are pure cancer. Basically, the Zerg are running rampant across Mar Sara and it's time to evacuate.

>>11979082
D2 hardcore anon here, this guy is 100% right. None of my D2 posts were singled out, I've been banned twice now for saying "not retro" in two seperate 7th gen threads but they deleted all my posts that had nothing to do with any of it.

>>11977903
>picrel
I always loved that kind of wallpaper art, had a shitty early-2000s-printer version printed out and taped to wall near my iMac back in the day.
>>11979082
How is any of this news to you? This entire site and all its boards are infiltrated by feds and israelis whose goals are: to propagandize and make this site less and less interesting to its users, per cass sunstein.

>get past the hack
>get past everybody quabbling about shartforged
>get past some fag making a knockoff general
>now having to deal with the tranny mods deleting half of the posts in the thread every other day
Will it ever end? Can we just talk about some fucking video games? I'm about to make a phpbb forum for this shit. /vr/ has become an absolute looney bin.

Well, despite the purging and [/spoiler]bans that I really don't even know why I deserved, my quest continues. I cleared Act 3, almost died at Mephisto when I thought I had cleared all of his goons but there was a little herd tucked behind him and they all rushed me at once when I approached him. I must have had like 20 HP left but I survived. I got a little cocky because he's always the easiest act boss aside from andy, but he was a bit more threatening this time with my limited tools.

I'm well into A4 now and I've managed to gear up a tiny bit, my damage sucks ass (49-118) but I have a bunch of magic find gear and pretty good defense. Concentration has helped a lot. I was smart and decided to grind for Ral runes to put in a 3os kite shield, and the fire resistance has saved me several times. I only have 2 Rals in it but I'm gonna look for a third before I hit Diablo, and hopefully get some lightning resist as well. I've had more luck than I deserve so far, I probably should have been dead about 10 times by now but with any luck, maybe I'll save Sanctuary.

>>11979078
if you play on old clients you're based if you played the new clients you're gay

i'm a purist btw

>>11980409
This

>>11980409
Is there any consensus about which of the old patches is best? And, if so, where the best place to download that is?

>>11981473
1.26 for WC3, 1.16 for SC and 1.09 for D2 are pretty unanimously respected

I've been doing countess runs to beef up before Diablo and...holy moly, now that's what I call a level 6 zombie head. I guess I'm making a necro next.

>>11961389
The unofficial D2 link (https://archive.org/details/diablo-2-lod-1.14d) is dead, needs replacing.

Act 4 done, that was hell (no pun intended). I've found absolute garbage gear this whole time and my damage just isn't up to par. Carving through the chaos sanctuary was tedious and dangerous and but I did it. Diablo was almost the end of me, he drained every last rejuvie and dollar I had, not to mention I was doing barely any damage. My one saving grace was having an ancient's pledge and some other +resist gear, so he at least couldn't one shot me with his gay lightning. Now comes the longest and hardest stretch of the game. Unfortunately, I'm dead broke, my gear sucks ass, there's seemingly no way to a good weapon without grinding runes, and I'm stilk 3 whole levels away from getting whirlwind... but I continue on.
>>11982358
I'll upload a copy to catbox in a bit if you're looking for it

>>11982581
are you playing 640x480?

>>11982975
Yep, 800x600 feels too zoomed out.

>>11959947
What are you wanting to build into? Are you staying fire/exploding arrow? Anyway I would just pick up a strong spear of some sort, magic arrow will work though but it's pretty weak. The only real fire immune you need to worry about for a while is calenzo in NM throne room.

>>11970565
No you didn't

>>11983103
>clearly bowazon
>pick up a strong spear bro
>responding to a trannymastered poster to begin with
Retard

>>11983268
dial 8

>>11959947
God this game is so fucking ugly.
>0 color and contrast, no lighting
>overly smooth UI textures, sterile fonts, skill blocks made into metal boilerplates for some reason
>new placement of skills/menu menu os objectively worse and looks like shit
>health fairy/mana demon are the only things that haven't been glossed up, ironically being overly detailed compared to everything else and look like they were upscaled by AI and then drawn over
If you like the way this shit looks you are mentally fucking retarded.

Does anyone else feel like Warcraft III is insanely clunky and unresponsive compared to Starcraft or even Warcraft II? Maybe it's just because I've played Starcraft my whole life and I'm used to it, but every time I try to get into WC3 I'm annoyed by the most basic shit like getting the hero character to move around the way I want. Also I don't know if any of these missions were tested on Hard Mode because half of them are incredibly simple and the other half I'm base trading and barely winning.

>>11983825
I know what you mean. SC feels snappy as fuck, but WC3 is very slow in comparison. IMO a lot of it has to do with basic units being balanced around heroes and constantly shifting their movement rate to match the hero they're following. Also, units in general are overanimated and, for example, make rotations before moving in an opposite direction instead of just doing it on a dime.

I don't completely hate it, there's a charm to the methodical sluggishness of it at times, but it definitely isn't as quick and responsive. As for hard mode, yeah, it's kind of bullshit and unfun. I never bothered beating it after clearing the undead campaign.

>>11983825
Warcraft 3 is good because of world editor. Actually playing it largely sucks ass and the campaign is anti-fun. I used to play Starcraft campaign missions over and over for high score and fewest units lost because the game is inherently enjoyable to play. I couldn't imagine doing that in War3.

>>11983782
this is what happens when women, faggots and niggers of color take over, compounded by a rapidly diminishing IQ resulting from a diet of plastic and GMO corn syrup. art is dead and it isn't coming back.

>>11983964
something is so fucked with the proportions on these characters. like what did they do to the barbarian? why does he look like such a cucked manlet? and what's wrong eith the paladian, he looks like pierre from tim and eric. the zon looks like an unironic 70 year old woman and i like how they made the assassin into an asian for no reason (and made sure to make it look like a tranny for good measure). even the sorc looks like a dude in drag. and what happened to my boy druid? he goes from layne staley to some big chungus haggard old man? holy fuck i hate everything about it

Things are finally starting to go my way. Lucked out and found an Amn and Sol minutes apart, along with a generic double axe so I used Larzuk's socket quest to get a 5os and make an Honor which has been a huge upgrade. Found a 3os tower shield and used the runes Qhual Kek gave me to make a better ancient's pledge, also found a mahim oak curio amulet. All my resistances are at 75 and I'm 31 now so I finally have whirlwind. In the span of a few levels I went from killing individual enemies in 5+ hits and having to watch my HP every second to mowing down herds like a hot knife through butter. Took a lot of buttpain to get here but Baal is in sight.