Thread 12121097

If the story of FF8 wants to be taken seriously then I hope the love interest dies, and if FF9 doesn't have voice acting I'm going to kill myself.

>>12121124
>he still thinks ffix demake is happening
its vaporware and thank god for that

>>12121097 (OP)
>>12121117
>>12121124
>>12121125
You guys are dumb faggots. FF8 is the only game that is remotely good in that shit series and is as close to art as you can get. SaGa and FF8 are literally the only JRPGs that matter and you're over here mocking the latter

R=U

>>12121117
>guys, using GFs gives us amnesia, just an FYI if you forgot
>but let's keep using it anyway

>>12121357
Heh, this would never happen in real life.
>*lights up a cig*
>*drinks beer*

>>12121097 (OP)
Literal worst FF and one of the worst RPGs ever made, and that's saying something. Now, I know following 7 was a huge ask, but what were they thinking with this piece of shit? At least we got Parasite Eve out of this experiment, a vastly superior game.

>>12121170
>>12121378
The duality of man

>>12121117
You skimmed through half of the dialogue in the game. You have to read carefully.
>>12121170
This. It's not even that confusing, but maybe I'm just built different from watching psychological thrillers for the past 30 years. If you can't think for yourself and need every plot point spoon fed to you, I can see why they wouldn't like it.
>>12121357
>I know we're trying to save the world, but it's kind of inconvenient innit?
>>12121378
>Worst FF
Not even close lol. You haven't played the entire series. Even if you hate the story, the Junction system is one of the best things Square has ever done.

Your enjoyment of FF8 is directly correlated with your ability to tune into Lynch works

>>12121170
>SaGa
>good
lol, lmao

>>12121097 (OP)
Boutta go 100% this absolute gem on retro achievements just to make the brainlets seethe.

>>12121378
>Literal worst FF
that's the only one you've played. I won't read your rebuttal.

>>12121117
>but no one is acknowledging any of that
Wasn't that the reason Irvine DIDN'T want to shoot her? Because he was the only one who DID remember Edea as their caretaker in orphanage while others had GF amnesia.

>>12121489
>>12121587
This. He clearly hasn't played 9 or 15.

>>12121373
In my experience, most humans just have horrific fucking memories, and everyone blames some substance or another, even though most sober retards can't fucking remember two weeks ago, let alone their own childhoods. Most normies are just goldfish-tier organisms.

>>12121378
>but what were they thinking with this piece of shit?
There's a lot of discourse about FF8, but everything wrong with it is easily explained by looking at the facts. The game was incredibly ambitious, and was originally intended to span two generations of characters. The idea was you started off as Laguna/Ward/Kiros, and eventually transitioned to Squall & Co. to finish what they began. But Square overestimated themselves and simply didn't have the manpower to get it done. FF8 was the first time that the core FF development team had been split—half went to work on 8, and the other half on 9.

Ultimately, they ditched the timeskip and repurposed all the Laguna content they had as flashbacks. This is probably also why the "GF memory loss" plot point even exists, because they needed a way to fit the orphanage backstory in out of nowhere. I'd assume, as originally planned, the orphanage scenes would have been where you started playing as Squall after finishing the Laguna chapters.

This shit happened with Xenogears and Chrono Cross, too. Square was just fucking retarded around this era, high off their success with FF7 and basically trying to restructure themselves into a movie company—spending too much money on their art department and not enough on actual game design. It's really not surprising they made a whole ass CGI movie just a couple of years later.

>>12121549
The final stretch of FF5 is the most Lynchian shit in the series

>>12121684
You could say the same about FF9. The final dungeon really taps into that same energy, where every area is some twisted version of a memory shared by every living thing on the planet. You're seeing all this crazy shit that you've heard about, and nobody has seen, yet everyone remembers.

But yeah, the phantom village in FF5 is really very cool—it was probably really unsettling if you somehow missed finding the actual village on the overworld, then suddenly find yourself going through the frozen image of it in the rift.

>>12121619
15 was alright until you got on that boat. Afterwards it was a steep waterslide of shit down to the diarrhea pool.

>>12121097 (OP)
Just started the game and maybe 20 hours in already, I just got Irvine. Tell me why I'm just now finding out you can get different weapons for people but only if you have the materials you need to make it at the junk shops? I literally got my first new weapon 20 fucking hours in out of nowhere. If you don't have the specific items to make a weapon then it won't even show up in the shop, why is this game retarded like this???

>>12121682
>Most normies are just goldfish-tier organisms.
Go into any FF7 lore discussion thread and you'll see 4channers are no better.

>>12121724
You can pick up "Weapons Monthly" magazines lying around to get the recipes for weapons. Or if you have the right items it shows up.
You can look it all up online, of course, but this is how the game presents it.

>>12121724
>why is this game retarded like this???
Trying too hard to "fix" turn-based JRPG mechanics that never needed fixing. Doesn't really matter, as your weapon only marginally boosts your attack power—junctions will always be doing the majority of the work. The only one it's important to fully upgrade is Squalls, because his limit breaks are tied to his weapon, and spamming his ultimate limit break is basically the only late-game strategy you need.

>>12121736
>you'll see 4channers are no better.
Most 4channers are just normies who want to say the N-word or openly shit-talk Jews. This place isn't really so special. Honestly, since Musk took over twitter, the level of discourse there is practically identical.

>>12121724
>I literally got my first new weapon 20 fucking hours in out of nowhere.
Yeah, I had a similar experience on my first playthrough. My friend loaned it to me without a manual so I had no idea how the fuck it was supposed to work. I went the entire first disc without ever getting a new weapon.

A moot point, though, because the second disc sucked so hard it made me drop the game a couple of hours in, lol. Problem solved.

>>12121747
Yeah FF8 was a strategy guide bait game

>>12121790
>Yeah FF8 was a strategy guide bait game
While I don't entirely disagree, you get the first Weapons Monthly as a drop from like the second boss in the game. Upon actually reading it, you'll learn how the weapon upgrade system works. Nothing about this requires a guide.

>>12121805
>Nothing about this requires a guide.
You now remember that the Junction system is explained in full at the start of the game yet most normoids consider it unexplained secrets of the universe that make the game almost entirely unapproachable.

>>12121817
This shit annoys me to no end. The Junction system tutorial in FF8 is possibly one of the most comprehensive tutorials in gaming - but like you said, people act like it's some esoteric knowledge.
99% of peoples "problems" with FF8 are a result of them mashing through text.

>Junction GFs
>Set GFs to learn abilities that compliment your playstyle
>Maybe swap all magic between characters out of the party
>Junction Auto-Atk to each character
"Damn that's rough - unplayable."

>>12121597
the point is that it makes 0 sense why irvine doesn't go "guys, don't you care we're about to kill our orphan mommy?" when he cares so much that he can't do it despite caring so much he refuses to do it

>>12121848
There are several plot holes and contrivances in the game, that's one of 'em.

>>12121823
It's confusing cause it's explaining shit you can't even do yet
>oh btw you can junction elements to your weapon
>TRY IT OUT
>try to do it
>you're not on high enough level yet to do wtf Quistis was even talking about
this is why the game is fucking stupid

>>12121908
>oh btw you can junction elements to your weapon
>try to do it
>you're not on high enough level yet to do
You don't need to level up to use the junction system. You can junction any spells you currently have stocked at level 1.

>>12121097 (OP)
The more years go by the more I like VIII. It's such a unique setting, with near-futuristic technology compared with VII's 90s dieselpunk and with a rather dark theme of child soldiers and the impact a missing generation has on the world. There's also something unintended in it due to its tumultuous development and how much content was cut, be it in the worldmap (https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/662074252/#q662082438) or in the Laguna flashbacks. It's magical, almost. Like the game managed to break through its intended role as the next multimillion dollar mainline Final Fantasy and deliver at times broken bits of auteur weirdness almost. Nothing describes that best for me than time kompression, with the myriad of savefiles specifically reminding me of SH2's final save room with the 9 red squares:
https://youtu.be/0oH5dksLgv8
Also, *easily* Uematsu's peak as a composer. What a soundtrack.

>>12121919
When she tells you to put sleep on your weapon for the t rex I couldn't even do it even tho i had sleep.

>>12121170
>You guys are dumb faggots. FF8 is the only game that is remotely good in that shit series and is as close to art as you can get.
Makes me sad there are people out there genuinely this stupid, who have degenerated in taste and sense enough to unironically believe this.

Humanity truly is fallen.

>>12121983
You fags cry about how bad 8 is every single time it comes up, but can literally never give a valid complaint.
Meanwhile the thread is always full of people listing what they love about it.

Stop being an unhappy faggot. If you don't like it, fine, but trying to make other people hate it too is straight homo behavior.

VIII>>>VII>>>X>>VI>>V>>IX>>IV the rest are mid/trash.

>>12121937
>original game was going to be half laguna
thank fucking god this didnt happen, I hate this wholesome chungus reddit fag so much. worst parts of the game easily

>>12121987
>but can literally never give a valid complaint.
Is this a joke? People point out the shitty gameplay, the horrible characters, the rushed love story and the retarded ass plot twist and ending all the time.

>>12121937
I'll never get over how ambitious and gorgeous it is, definitely feels like a game that released way ahead of its time.

>>12122047
>>12122047
>People point out the shitty gameplay
Subjective opinion. The junction system is also touted by many as the best thing they've ever done.
>the horrible characters
Subjective opinion. Squall, Rinoa, Zell, Quistis, Seifer, and Selphie are all great characters. The only one that really fell short with their writing is Irvine.
>the rushed love story
It's a 50+ hour game and the love story begins within the first hour.
>and the retarded ass plot twist and ending all the time.
They're all literal retards. It's not confusing. I understood it as a fucking 10 year old.
The final ending scene is up for interpretation, it doesn't need expanded on.

Just because you didn't enjoy something, doesn't mean it's inherently flawed.

>>12122028
...Whatever.

>>12122076
Holy fuck you're actually one of the retarded cultists. Almost all of these are pure delusion on your part.

>>12122148
>cultists
Jesus Christ dude. Get a grip on reality. It's just a fucking video game, and one that a lot of people love at that.
You're the exact same brand of loser who comes into our Kings Field threads to rant for days on end about why we're wrong for enjoying it.

>>12121823
Yep it's FF7 fans going into a game with more depth than equipping materia.

>>12121597
>go to work
>new guy comes over
>hey anon we grew up in an orphanage together
>everyone else that works here was there too
>the regional manager took care of us
>why don't you remember this

>>12122304
You'd probably start assuming you were the crazy one and just shut up too.

>rinoa
>great

>>12122076
FF8 haters don't realize the orphanage scene is explained in the ending which shows that Cid purposefully brought them together because that's who he saw in the message they sent back.

>>12122158
The garden rivalry is so forced
>>12122304
Tifa moment
>>12122319
Rinoa is a great magician!

>>12121174
-is canon

>>12122378
It's not NOT canon...

>>12121124
here we have it

this post epitomizes nu-/vr/

absolute worthless slop

>>12122386
It is explicitly not canon because the logic of the game itself precludes it's possibility, nevermind that the devs said point blank that Rinoa is not Ultimecia. Brainlets with aphantasia should stick to simple games with simple stories. I'm sorry, but ff8 is simply too advanced for you.

>>12122709
>It is explicitly not canon because the logic of the game itself precludes it's possibility,
No it doesn't. In fact, most of the game's logic alludes to the validity that Rinoa does, in fact, become Ultimecia. Rinoa's female loneliness drives her insane.

So many people claim "no way, no way, it would make her, like, centuries old," but most stories in FF8 revolving around sorceresses indicate that not only are these rare, magical women very aged (despite a youthful appearance), in some cases they may even be incapable of dying unless outright killed by someone else and EVEN THEN they will wander like zombies until they can find someone else to pass their powers on to and they pass away.

Ok, now...explain where Ellone's powers come from. And no, she isn't a sorceress. No, she doesn't have a Guardian Force. No, it isn't drawable magic.
Go.

>>12122284
>Jesus Christ dude.
All your counter arguments are just
>i-it's subjective, SHUT UP!
You're a fucking faggot.

>>12122709
>nevermind that the devs said point blank that Rinoa is not Ultimecia
Nigger why don't you read the quotes posted

>>12122795
Why? Explaining where her powers come from changes nothing about the story. She has them, the method or origin is irrelevant to the plot.

borderline lynchian

i should play ff9 someday

>>12122886
>tfw you see sony product

>>12122340
so its a circular logic time loop thing just like SeeD? thanks I dont know how I missed that but that actually makes the story a lot better, though I still think its a bit silly irvine just never mentions it despite remembering.

>>12122821
He had a valid counter point, and it's the only point that matters.
A LOT of people love this game.
End of debate.
You don't like it. That's fine. Nobody is trying to force you to like it, so stop sitting here trying to force other people not to like it as well.

Why even come into a thread for a game you hate, just to try and convince people to hate it as well? Actual woman-clique behavior.

>>12122902
its because hes self conscious. he realized no one recognized him which made him feel butthurt and not want to talk about it.

>>12122905
>Why even come into a thread for a game you hate, just to try and convince people to hate it as well?
not sure ive ever read a thread on /vr/ or /v/ without at least one of these people. people are so desperate for (You)s and want everyone to know how unique and better their opinion is.

>>12122896
God damn it kek
>>12122902
Yeah they're essentially stuck in a time loop forever, but unlike other time loop stories part of the loop is that the characters returning home and getting to live their lives after the final battle makes it feel less like a bad ending despite the loop itself never being solved.

>>12122878
Not really. If a human irl had time powers, people relevant to what that person is doing wouldn't just be like "who cares lol," inquiring minds would want to know some details.

>>12122902
ff8 is a 10/10 story but presented in a retarded 5/10 way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWA635zt9nM

every time I start a new save file I always listen to this full intro and get chills knowing Im about to experience the greatest jrpg ever made again.

>>12122931
you can tell they ran out of time and budget and had to cram a ton of important plot shit into exposition dumps towards the end. like all of lagunas actually important activities in esthar being completely off screen or whatever the fuck the junction machine ellone shit was about.

R=U
Squall=Dead
R+L=J
Jews did Trabia Garden

>>12122916
And, irl, how the universe began is something inquiring minds want an answer for, too!
Does not having an answer mean it didn't happen?
Does having an answer mean "people relevant" consider it solved?

Ellone has magical powers of premonition and mind-reading/transfer.
It's stated many, many times in Final Fantasy 8. In fact, it's rare, and she's sought after. They even made a magical machine based on her. It's made by a scientist who looks like a Japanese clown.
It's in a fictional magical fantasy game. The same game that has magic, sorceresses, summoned demons, Tonberrys, flying school academies, a moon that vomits beasts from orbit every-so-often, islands reminiscent of Greece, and movies starring knights fighting dragons.
Ellone has magical powers.
>So? Tell me how!
Do I tell you how Balamb has a T-Rex, too? How it got a tree in its courtyard?
Ellone has magical powers.

>>12122946
A human with time and mind powers is the kind of deliberate story choice that deserves an explanation of some kind. The planet having a lifestream doesn't really need an explanation because it's the will and magic blood of a living creature, Jenova being a destroyer from soace doesn't need an explanation because soace is vast and can have anything in it, Sephiroth being a superhuman even among superhumans gets explained because of course it would and a single random human having time-mind powers deserves an explanation as well.

>>12122946
A human with time and mind powers is the kind of deliberate story choice that deserves an explanation of some kind. The planet having a lifestream doesn't really need an explanation because it's the will and magic blood of a living creature, Jenova being a destroyer from space doesn't need an explanation because space is vast and can have anything in it, Sephiroth being a superhuman even among superhumans gets explained because of course it would and a single random human having time-mind powers deserves an explanation as well. If they didn't go out of their way to say Ellone has nothing to do with witchcraft it wouldn't be such an outlier.

>>12122973
And Ellone has magical powers because FF8 has a setting filled with all sorts of creatures with magical powers of all kinds of varying powers and abilities. In fact, Ellone's magical powers are very strong, quite rare, and are not just a theme surrounding Laguna's storyline of rescuing her because of her kidnapping, but end up becoming an intricate backbone to the entire plot and how (despite her surprisingly small amount of dialogue) her supporting character is nearly the entire reason Time Kompression is even possible.

>I know.
>So tell me how.
Dude. It's magic. It's explained as magic. She's literally magical. Just like the other magic users in FF8. And 7. And 6. And 9. And 10. And 13. And Tactics. And and and. Ellone has powerful mind magic. The villainess wants to use it.
>Lame.
It's your opinion, man. You can call it a McGuffin, you can call it without basis, you can stress about it all you like, but Ellone having magic is not some sort of unprecedented or bewildering characteristic for the story of Final Fantasy VIII. It fits the setting just as well as a spaceship-that-looks-like-a-rocket-dragon.

>>12122989
Those designs... sovl

>>12122989
>Ellone having magic is not some sort of unprecedented or bewildering characteristic for the story of Final Fantasy VIII
It is considering she's the only one in the world with that sort of magic. If she was some other species it probably wouldn't stand out as much. But whatever, clearly you just do not have any sense of curiosity whatsoever so I'll agree to disagree.

>>12121973
That's because you didn't equip the correct gf that you did have available

>>12121973
>When she tells you to put sleep on your weapon for the t rex I couldn't even do it even tho i had sleep.
You don't have Status Attack junction at that point. You can simply cast Sleep on the T-Rexaur or better yet, cast Blind on it. The T-rexaur at that point doesn't have magic attacks so Blind renders it non-threat and you can hit it physically and limit breaks. The sleep is inferior method because you'd be stuck re-casting the sleep each time it woke up and you couldn't use your physical attacks.

>>12123150
It depends whether the player drew Siren from the Dollet boss. If they didn't, they didn't have St-Attack.

tying abilities to summons was a really comfy and fun system because a new summon meant more than just having some new AOE nuke. and viii also has the best lineup of summons in the series. an underrated aspect of the game i dont see get discussed

>>12121973
Either you didn't have the Siren at the appropriate level to junction status, or you just didn't have Siren at all, since she's missable.

Also, if you're playing the original PS1 version, I noticed there's a fuck-up on the equipment junction screen—the status junction menu is labeled "EL" for elemental, and the elemental junction screen is labeled "ST" for status (picrel). I assume they fixed it in later versions, but it screwed me up when Quistis was giving her lesson.

>>12121919
>You don't need to level up to use the junction system.
Technically correct, yet also wrong. Your CHARACTERS don't need to level up, but GFs do in order to unlock abilities, which includes the various types of junctions. And to level your GFs up, you need AP, which you get from battles, which also give your characters EXP, which levels them up, anyway. Everything in the game still comes down to grinding.

The junction system is JUST complex enough to baffle morons and dazzle midwits, but if you actually stop and think about it, it's pretty fucking stupid. It's like if stat progression were an open world game where you can "dO aNyThInG", but everything is shallow, tedious, and inferior to actual structured gameplay.

>>12123695
>the status junction menu is labeled "EL" for elemental, and the elemental junction screen is labeled "ST" for status (picrel). I assume they fixed it in later versions, but it screwed me up for a bit after Quistis finished her lesson.
Derpt, forgot pic. Guess I'm more retarded than FF8, which is impressive.

>>12123695
>And to level your GFs up, you need AP, which you get from battles, which also give your characters EXP, which levels them up, anyway

False. You can turn enemies into cards with Card command or petrify them. That way you get AP but not EXP. You can also choose which abilities the GF learn in the GF menu.

Siren has Status Attack unlocked from the start

while i understand people avoiding grinding for levels in FF8 it's fine to still gain levels, the enemies level up with you but they get stronger magic and aren't abusing the junction system themselves so you can easily outpace them

>>12123931
It's true. It's more fun that way, too.
Low-lvl run was the least fun I've had with VIII, which is one of my favorite games (if not #1).

>>12123698
That's telling you that the page you switch to will be ST-J, not the one you are on. That's what the arrows indicate.

The window on the right is the one telling you what screen you are currently on.

>>12124087
No, it's an actual error in the game that you just get used to. If you were right there would only be an arrow in one direction.

>>12124087
Agreed, I have tried the meme low level runs after my initial blind play on release and they sucked. No wonder people don't like the game if they're following that shit, it's like people hitting themselves in FF2.

Level 100 is where the game is most fun. Get there as soon as you can, then you never have to hold back for the rest of the game.

>>12124096
meant to quote >>12123948

>>12121937
This is my thinking whenever I remember VIII, too. Weird game, unfinished game, but there's something that makes it better than the sum of its parts.

>>12123931
>>12123948
Yeah, pretty much all the discourse about your level in FF8 is retarded:
>"YOU CAN BEAT THE GAME AT LEVEL ONE!"
So? your stats are still crazy high. Even if your level doesn't go up, you're still increasing your power the way you would by levelling normally in a competent JRPG.
>"YOU DON'T HAVE TO GRIND!"
Except to get spells you need to farm item drops to refine, or waste time drawing every turn. And to unlock abilities, you need to level GFs which requires AP, which requires fighting battles, even if you end it by "carding" the enemy so you get no EXP. It's still grinding, but with extra steps.

>the enemies level up with you but they get stronger magic and aren't abusing the junction system themselves so you can easily outpace them
Basically this. People fearmonger that if you level, the scaling makes the game too hard, or that beating the game at level one is some kind of major accomplishment, but neither is true. That's really the biggest issue with the junction system—pushed to extremes, it makes everything pointless, and when you're using it competently, you ultimately accomplish the same thing that's accomplished in a regular JRPG, just with more tedium and gray menus.

>>12124096
>Level 100 is where the game is most fun. Get there as soon as you can, then you never have to hold back for the rest of the game.
And it still wasn't very hard. It doesn't help that most of the bosses cap their stats once you reach level 60, so really that's the highest you'd need to go. Random encounters are still completely trivial even at 100—you might as well just equip Enc-None and save yourself the trouble, since once you max your stats, there's literally no reason to even bother.

I still enjoyed playing it, but goddamn they missed just about every mark possible, outside of the graphics and music.

>>12124147
They didn't miss anything, you're just a midwit thinking too hard about a videogame and sucking your own fun out of it

>>12124168
If something isn't fun, that's an innate quality. I'm simply explaining why it isn't.

Knowing how electrons work isn't what makes being electrocuted unpleasant. Or, well, maybe it is, if you have the brainpower of the average FF8 fan, lol.

>>12124181
>Knowing how electrons work isn't what makes being electrocuted unpleasant
You're proving his point. Most people have no idea how electrons work. If you go out of your way to research everything about electrons, it will obviously remove some of the magic from it.

I played FF8 blind for the first time a few years ago and never encountered any of the "problems" you guys have, and it seems like it all stems from the fact that you guys are completely deconstructing the game before you even begin.

>>12124190
>"This game sucks!"
>"N-no! You just need to learn how the junction system works! B-baka!"
>*learns junction system*
>"NO!!! You're sucking the fun out of it!!!"
I know you're just shitposting, but you could at least put some effort into it.

Honestly, where the fuck is the FF8 schizo? At least his shitposting has some passion behind it. You faggots may as well just go to twitter.

>>12124197
>learns junction system
The games Junction tutorial never tells you to do any of the things you just listed. In fact, most of those strategies weren't developed until ~10 years after the games release.
You looked that all up online, and it ruined the fun for you. No need to twist the truth.

>>12124190
>I played FF8 blind for the first time a few years ago and never encountered any of the "problems" you guys have, and it seems like it all stems from the fact that you guys are completely deconstructing the game before you even begin.
That is absolutely the problem. I know every system in the game but only lightly interact with all of them as one would naturally in a blind playthrough because it's actually more fun and challenging that way.
Nothing makes an RPG more boring than being ridiculously OP. I handicap myself in most FFs so bosses can still kill me, I like *just* getting out alive and in VIII that means leveling up naturally and not cheesing any one system .

>>12124204
>In fact, most of those strategies weren't developed until ~10 years after the games release.
What strategies? The only strategy I needed to trivialize the game went like this:
>draw Siren
>has ability to refine heal magic
>use ability
>find out tents become curagas
>you are now invincible until disc 3

>>12124208
>the game is good if you just limit yourself to create artificial challenge
Well at least you're being honest about how poorly-designed the game is.

>>12124223
>Well at least you're being honest about how poorly-designed the game is.
I am, but it's true of most RPGs ever.
If you spend 50 hours grinding Skyrim for the best gear and play sneak / archer you'll be OP and it won't be as fun as playing an axe user with crap equipment because the tension isn't there in battles.

>>12124223
>doesn't help that most of the bosses cap their stats once you reach level 60
You don't learn stuff like this naturally. You clearly did a deep dive into the games mechanics while playing.

>>12124247
>You don't learn stuff like this naturally.
I never said I did. Nor was I talking about my personal first experience with the game. I played it normally back around 2009 and thought it was boring and dumb. I've just learned how everything works in the intervening years out of curiosity.

The fact that you can't grasp wanting to learn is weird. Says a lot about the mindset of the average FF8 enjoyer, I guess.

>>12124283
>I played it normally back around 2009 and thought it was boring and dumb
>The fact that you can't grasp wanting to learn is weird.
I certainly wouldn't invest as much time into learning about games I dislike as you guys put into digging into FF8, that's for sure.
Seems like a huge waste of time to dig into something I dislike for the sole purpose of arguing with fans of it online.

I wonder if any of you took the SeeD tests.

>>12124363
Always, up to whatever lvl I am.
You never need gil in the game though so it's a little pointless.

>>12121682
Yeah. VIII has a nice story even in its cut down state, but there's just not enough game to balance it out.

>>12123702
I got so many boners watching her summon animation as a teen, heh.

>>12121170
Don't degrade the prestigious name of SaGa with the overrated turd that is FFVIII.

>>12121619
>>12121489
>>12121378
He clearly didn't play X either

>>12121682
>FF8 was the first time that the core FF development team had been split—half went to work on 8, and the other half on 9.
They also pulled this shit with Legend of Mana and SaGa Frontier 2 as well. Actual clown company.

>>12121682
>FF8 was the first time that the core FF development team had been split—half went to work on 8, and the other half on 9.
They also pulled this shit with Legend of Mana and SaGa Frontier 2 as well. Actual clown company.

Any place to read about the unused content of VIII, by the way?

>>12121682
>FF8 was the first time that the core FF development team had been split—half went to work on 8, and the other half on 9.
They also pulled this shit with Legend of Mana and SaGa Frontier 2 as well. Actual clown company.

Any place to read about the unused/planned content of VIII, by the way?

>>12122905
>other people liked it so you're not allowed to call it shit even though it is!!!
Baby logic.

I have never played this game. I think that every single thing I've ever read about it has made it seem even less promising than it did before.

>>12124626
To be fair, you need a fairly high IQ to understand Final Fantasy VIII.

>>12124624
keep coping with your “objective” hot takes while the rest of us replay it and enjoy the waifu gallery, you salty virgin.
>>12124626
it's a great game and is well respected by FF fans. /vr/ is just dying of contrarianism-poisoning.

>>12124636
>/vr/ is just dying of contrarianism-poisoning.
Half of 4chan is people just going into threads to find shit to make fun of or complain about. Or any excuse they can find to call someone "nigger" or "idiot." It's normal.

>>12124614
https://tcrf.net/Final_Fantasy_VIII

>>12124648
if it's normal, irony is still a poison to any real humor.
just as it's "normal" to shit your pants if nobody ever taught you to shit elsewhere.

>>12122345
Wait, are people still not understanding why Tifa didn't say anything? It's been over two decades and actual adults are still confused by something directly spelled out in game. That's grim.

>>12124626
Makes sense, I mean what better way to experience a game than to let other people form your opinion for you

>>12121097 (OP)
Jock RPG

>>12124626
just know that squall dies after a certain event and the rest is all a fleeting dream.

Which other FF title has not one but TWO schizo theories about it? Best FF of all time.

>>12124790
>It's also possible for Griever to draw and cast the "Slots" spells if you hack them into your stock. This includes The End, which will kill your entire party. As the spell was never meant to be used on the player's side of the battlefield, the animation will look very odd, showing a black void that is behind the usual flower field.
god i love how much stupid crap you can do with a gameshark in FF8

Sex with Moomba and Carbuncle!

>>12124626
Lemme guess, you cant play it because the designated canon waifu is a roastie who already got pumped & dumped by the best boy before the game even starts?

>>12121117
>Oh well, no time to think about that too much since I now have to off-screen heal the wound I got from being impaled by this giant icicle in my chest and falling to my doom, then never bring it up again.

>>12125876
Would not fuck, would pet. Those things were adorable. It's a shame that they never caught on like Chocobos and Moogles did. Outside as an easter egg for one of the dolls Lulu used in FFX and what feels like an unfinished secret character in Chocobo Racing their existence has never even been acknowledged again outside of a handful of now-dead mobile gacha trash FF games.

>>12125887
he got hit in the shoulder, not the heart. galbadia army wanted to interrogate him about SeeD so letting him die was counterproductive so they healed his wounds.

>>12125887
He fell like 2 feet from a parade float

>>12125894
>We need to interrogate him so heal him up so well that he literally does not have even the smallest scar left over as if nothing happened
Yeah, sure.

>>12125907
>Ignoring the four foot fucking icicle in his chest

You idiots act like it's just a flesh wound, they wouldn't make it a dramatic end-of-disk-1 cutscene if it was just meant to be fucking nothing that can just be ignored or explained away with "Galbadia used a potion"

>>12125917
rule of cool. and considering they never explain or even touch on the subject for the rest of the game, yes Im going to say galbadia used a potion. the only other argument is squall=dead which is retarded schizo nonsense and has literally been debunked by the devs.

>>12125919
squall=dead is indeed fucking retarded, but it's also ridiculous that they just gloss over it, especially after how dramatic they made it as the end of disk 1 scene. Start up Disk 2 and Squall just goes "No wound? How?" and it's never brought up again, it's almost like the devs were admitting it's a plot hole and to just ignore it because they couldn't come up with a good reason either.

>>12121357
>>12121736
>>12124385

I think the amnesia plot line could've been handled much, much better. In FF7 it was actually quite interesting how Cloud was pretending to be someone else and then he had to be snapped out of it. In FF8 the amnesia thing is mentioned a couple of times but it feels like a cop-out someone came up in the last minute instead of something that was there from the beginning. Also the orphanage thing was weird, why did the kids need to be childhood friends as well? Surely there could've been numerous orphanages around the world and they could've just when they went to school?

>>12125887
That icicle was whatever magic.

>>12126160
explained by
>>12122340

>>12125923
Rinoa=Ultimecia makes far more sense. Squall didn't dick her down in the end so she became a 40 yo cat lady with sorceress powers and came up with the Time Kompression plan to get another chance at hate fuck (this time).

>>12122386
>High caste
Nojima
>Middle caste
Kojima
>Lowest caste
Nojima
>Atomic bomb caste
Hiroshima

>>12126175
>>12122340
Hm ok, fair enough. By "the message they sent back" you're referring to the ending scene where Squall tells Edea that he has defeated the sorceress, and that he's a SeeD from Balamb Garden? Or was there something else? I feel like Timber Maniacs was also dropping some foreshadowing / deep lore but it's been too long since I played the game to remember all the little details (and I didn't even find them all).

>>12121489
>the Junction system is one of the best things Square has ever done.
How can someone be this insanely retarded. It's a mediocre system at best and a broken mess of ideas most of the time.
FF8 in general can be described as that. A lot of square games in the 90's were but most were relegated to side games or entirely separate series, like Crono Cross. FF8 had the misfortune of being a mess with a mainline title. Expectations were very high and the execution was poor, even if you like 8 and all of it's systems they are presented to the player in the most mind numbing and gay way possible. Who the fuck wants to go to school, take a class and read a textbook as a tutorial. I guarantee most people just mash X through all that and then get confused to what the fuck is happening. I can't blame them for not wanting to sit through 50 paragraphs of random bullshit to explain how to retarded ass junction system works.

>>12126371
>NOOOO STOP MAKING ME READ!!!! GIVE ME THE SAME EXACT SLOP MY DOUBLE DIGIT IQ FEELS SAFE WITH!!! AIEEEEEE WHAT A MESS

>>12126371
It's true. Materia and Junction are the two best magic systems Square has ever come up with. What magic system have they created that you think is better?
>read a textbook as a tutorial. I guarantee most people just mash X
Not really sure what you're referring to. Quistis takes you into the menu and physically shows you how to use the Junction system, just like Barret does with Materia in FF7.

>>12126390
>Materia and Junction are the two best magic systems Square has ever come up with
Agreed. How would a mix between the two work out?

>>12126381
>>12126390
I had a long thought out response for this, but I'll just condense it to FF8 is incredibly pretentious.

Found my old guide last night! (not my pic, mine is in much worse shape kek). Pretty hype to really dive into Triple Triad this playthrough. I always play a bit, but have never went all in on collecting all of the rare cards.

>>12126723
Thanks for bumping it the FF8 thread.

>>12126745
>Triple Triad

>>12121817
No one acts like this. They just hate the system because it's needlessly complex and tedious compared to equipment, while adding nothing.

>>12126745
No problem bruv, rare to get real discussion on here

the junction system is just replacing increasing stats by equipping items with increasing stats by equipping magic

>>12126745
My pocket guidebook doesn't even mention Omega Weapon at all, makes me genuinely wonder if the writers even knew that fucker existed back then.

>>12127061
Post a photo of it. I'm sure you aren't just making up such a thing existing. That would be too pathetic.

>>12121117
In the english version it's kind of implied that after (two?!) Sorceress Wars almost everyone's parents were dead. Edea's Orphanage was run by her ship, bring kids around the world to be adopted before they opened the Gardens, which happened only 10 years before the start of the game.

It's not strange that they forgot they were orphans together.
It's strange they forgot literally everyone in Garden is an orphan.

>>12127093
Uh, rude? And before you ask, no I'm not from UK.

>>12127176
>It's not strange that they forgot they were orphans together.
Yes it is.
>It's strange they forgot literally everyone in Garden is an orphan.
This isn't even remotely true.

Getting really sick of sharing a website with (((malicious anti-truth bots))).

>>12127189
>Yes it is.
I feel like the memory loss plot point is explained well enough. I honestly don't see how it's any different than all of the thousands of other memory loss storylines out there lol.

>>12127206
>thousands of other memory loss storylines
Name three.

>>12127207
Final Fantasy 7

>>12127242
Okay, now two more.

>>12121097 (OP)
i played this in middle school with no strategy guide and no internet help. heres my blog from what i can remember about it.

i never knew that leveling up doesnt help. i never noticed that it didnt help or ever made the game harder. i sat there for a long long time drawing magic to full stacks. i did do the card capture a little bit because the card game was kind of fun, but i dont recall ever really breaking down the cards for magic or materials. i might have made some upgrades weapons, but i definitely didnt have any ultimate weapons. i found a bunch of magazines for zell, but i dont think i got them all, or if i ever found the best one. i mostly used squall/zell/irvine, because the girls just seemed stupid. i dont recall deliberately junctioning specific things anywhere, just getting fat stacks and letting auto do its thing, trying to equip enough gfs to everyone so they all had boosted stats. i THINK i got all of the gfs, but im not sure. i definitely had the train and the demon guy (tiamat?).

somehow i bungled my way through the whole game, and i even recorded my final fight and ending cinematic/credits on vhs. while the story was kind of cool, i dont think i would ever play it again. honestly, i LIKE leveling up and getting stronger from it, even if that ends up being as tedious as drawing magic.

later in life i found out that i played the game horrifically inefficiently/wrong and that i missed optional bosses (like some spooky black ghost man, and a ufo or something) and the ultimate weapons. feel free to bash me and call me autistic.

>>12121848
>enter team
>your literal orphanage siblings
>none acknowledges you
>"so, you have to snipe this chick
>your mother figure
>you see nothing in their eyes about her being the target
I dunno, call me paranoid, I'd wait and scope too.

>>12127280
>that's just normal every day life for me
Ok soulless commie automaton. Tell us more.

>>12127282
>normal
>not so out of normal that it warrants caution
Way to miss the point. He was surrounded by a team of highly-capable soldiers, who were coordinated against someone they all saw as a mother during their childhood, and seemed to not recognize him. If you reveal your hand like that in a paramilitary operation like SeeD's, where even retards like Seifer get to lead just because he swings a sword well, you can easily die.

>>12127245
Final Fantasy 9

>>12127289
pretty sure in his explanation he didnt look into it that deeply or fear for his own self preservation in the situation.

>>12127291
Go for the gold!

>>12127280
Ultimately, Irvine DID SHOOT Edea in the head, taking his wildly powerful sniped shot.
She just blocked it.

>>12127292
>in his explanation
Words, between his tendency to hide his actual feelings and possible headfuck due to GF use you can't trust anyone as a reliable narrator.
>>12127295
Do you think he felt scared or relieved?

>>12127298
well i certainly cant trust your imposed headcanon either.

>>12127307
Didn't you know, no one "got" FFVIII except me, not even Square.

>>12126723
I accept your concession.

>>12127315
You're a mentally ill egomaniac jew, doe.

>>12127338
>You're
Sure
>jew
No, fuck you, where in the thread did I complain anyone is white, hot or sexist?

>>12127375
>i'm the arbiter of everything, only I know how anything works
Oy vey, rabbi.

>>12127379
>not being the arbiter
You're just a shabbos goy, that's why everyone looks like your master to you

>>12127386
You're a jeet, so you're very literally doing "no u."

>>12127389
I see, you're canadian

>>12127393
No, I see the bubbling up of you subhumans in the States.

>>12127396
>States
Try again yuro bellydancer

>>12127402
>you can't pin me down, goy!
Shut the fuck up, kike.

>>12127405
>I only know globalist hellholes
Don't you have a kotaku article to write mr goldberg?

>>12127409
wat

>>12127187
I got my FF7 guide along UK based game magazine and it was based on japanese version. It had the names translated frim the jap version, Rude being Ruudo, Scarlet was Sukareeto and Heidegger Haideekka. It only covered the main story, no chocobo breeding or battle square and of course not Emerald or Ruby Weapons because the optional Weapons didnt exist in the Jap version, they were only brought in the US and EU versions and were later added in the japanese International version

>we included levels but levelling up is pointless because enemies rubber band up with you
>sure we included a bunch of spells but you have to slowly collect them from specific places or enemies also if you use them and don't just junction them to your stats you're playing the game wrong just rely on summoning GFs many of which have an animation that takes 30+ seconds to play out needlessly prolonging every fight
>we included a fun card game but if you play it a bunch of unfun stupid rules get forced on you against your will
>sure you can explore the whole world with an airship but only at the very very end of the third disc until then it's a linear rush from place to place

VIII funkin blows

>>12127452
>using GFs at all

I only collected them and used them once to see the animation and be done with it, instead just using normal attacks and limit breaks. If you played the card game right, then the stuff was easy.

>>12127452
>sure we included a bunch of spells but you have to slowly collect them from specific places or enemies
You can refine spells from items and items from cards. You can learn the refine skills from GFs. You can go to GF menu to choose what they learn. If left automatic, the GFs first learn useless GF HP ups and GF Magic ups. You were expected to choose yourself the order what abilities they learn

>we included a fun card game but if you play it a bunch of unfun stupid rules get forced on you against your will
Non-issue. I played the fan made online version TTX with my school buddies and other players online. Our most common rules were Same, Plus, Same Wall, Plus Wall and Random. Once you have played against real players, you realize how bad the AI playing the Triple Triad in FF8 is.
>sure you can explore the whole world with an airship but only at the very very end of the third disc until then it's a linear rush from place to place
False. You get Balamb Garden as your vessel in Disc 2 and can reach optional places like the desert with cactuars for high AP rewards, Shumi Village and Odin's ruins with it. The places Ragnarok, the flying ship opens are: Deep Sea Research Center for Bahamut and Ultima Weapon optional boss and Eden GF, the special islands Island Closest to Hell and Island Closest to Heaven for guaranteed hard tier enemies for rare items and spells. When you get Ragnarok and before you are instructed to go invade Lunatic Pandora, you are told to take care of any stuff you want to do before the point of return. Even if you do go to Lunatic Pandora, you can return to world up anytime until you face Seifer.

>>12127061
Retards didn't ring the bell. They'd probably get assraped by Omega Weapon anyway if you don't know what you're going up against.

>>12127278
Childhood is playing Final Fantasy gaymes and thinking they're kino.
Adulthood is realizing Persona (and SMT) are the superior jarpig series.

>>12123608
Trvke. FFVIII is probably the craziest entry. There are locations similar to FFVII and then there's a goddamn space station, an underwater research facility, time kompression stuff which creates sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>12124363
Of course. The amount of SeeD increases every time I see Quistis.
She's hot while Rinoa is an archetype of an average, somewhat ugly, girl who's also fickle like wind. No wonder Squall keeps whatevering her until she finally forces herself on him.

>>12124798
Irony is used by kids on here as a shield from criticism that could hurt their ego. That's all. But makes it easy to instantly ignore such a shitter and continue talking to people who talk normally and sincerely about things they like.

>>12127498
Quistis barges into your room during a night if you go asleep with no party members and forces you play cards with her as she is the King of the Card Club. You need to have beat other Card Club members for that. She has Gilgamesh card that can be refined to Holy Wars giving partywide invincibility.

The missed or refined rare cards can be won back from Card Club members in Disc 4 as you can find them in Ragnarok

>>12127498
Quistis stops wearing glasses after the FMV of her gunning the robot spider down at Dollet

>>12124223
>playing the game normally instead of following a step by step meticulous autistic min-max guide is "limiting yourself"
Ok

>>12127468
I agree purse-owner, I hate when a jrpg tries to get in the way of enjoying my underage romance VN with annoying padding like gameplay.

>>12127457
>he didnt have cerberus at max compatibility for free double/triple on everyone
did you even complete the videogame?

dont care about this games supposed flaws (which in reality are just brainlet filters) its the peak of the entire series. the only real flaw is having all the enemies scale in level but the endgame bosses just stop scaling up around level 60-70. so if you levels up to 100 doing end game shit well too bad now ultimecias castle will be a snoozefest. lame

>>12127623
>ultimecias castle
scaling issue aside, what a fucking incredible final dungeon in every aspect. the music, art design, puzzles, the unique gameplay structure, the hidden boss.... absolute fucking LUDO. Im struggling to think of a single final dungeon in any other jrpg that can compare.

>>12121124
>If the story of FF8 wants to be taken seriously
It doesn't.

>>12127452
>we included levels but levelling up is pointless because enemies rubber band up with you
it doesn't even matter in terms of how hard an enemy is
a bite bug is a bite bug no matter it's level, malboros and ruby dragons are dangerous no matter their level
the only thing that changes that matters to you is the item drops and spells you can draw from them

>>12127745
Their health increases making the fights longer and for example on my first playthrough not properly understanding the system, I was underpowerered damage wise and didn't know how to reliably set up limit breaks so the fights even aginst Geezards and other low tier enemies took lot longer than intended because of the scaled up enemie's HP bloat and my underpowered attacks

>>12127468
>persona
>asked a random question about halfway through
>given several choices
>answer honestly
>one of the characters goes apeshit and asks if I'm serious
>wtf is your problem of course I'm serious
>play game until the end
>btw that wrong answer locks you out of the final dungeon

>>12127452
Oh look, a dumbass.

>>12126830
>Leon

>>12127979
Guessing he's a KH fag.

>>12127278
>honestly, i LIKE leveling up and getting stronger from it,
You do. Enemies simply gain new abilities. You still out scale them stat-wise as you level up.
>later in life i found out that i played the game horrifically inefficiently/wrong
No, you played normally/the way the devs intended. Only severe autists do low level runs.

>>12127452
>we included levels but levelling up is pointless because enemies rubber band up with you
False. See previous response above.
>sure we included a bunch of spells but you have to slowly collect them from specific places or enemies also if you use them and don't just junction them to your stats you're playing the game wrong
If you play the game normally you will still wind up with more magic than you know what to do with.
>just rely on summoning GFs many of which have an animation that takes 30+ seconds to play out needlessly prolonging every fight
Why would you ever have to rely on GFs lol, the game isn't difficult. It's a FF game.
>we included a fun card game but if you play it a bunch of unfun stupid rules get forced on you against your will
You can change the rules to whatever you want.
>sure you can explore the whole world with an airship but only at the very very end of the third disc until then it's a linear rush from place to place
Nobody cares about how "open world" games are anymore.

>>12121708
It was mediocre before that point

>>12124603
X is the best FF and you will die mad about.
>muh overworld
Die.

>>12128297
From the best to the worst: 7, 5, 10, 8, 9, 6, 4, 3, 1, 2

>>12128297
10 has a great storyline but I find it annoying to actually play. I know it's a tired opinion, but I feel like Tidus really does hold the game back.

You can really put any of the "golden era" Final Fantasy games in any order and it'd be accurate. Square was on fire back then.

>>12121097 (OP)
>kid in early 00s
>only jrpg did was pokemon

what was it like being teenager during 90s playing big kid rpgs?

>>12128586
Great. Lot of other kids played them too and we would talk about them in school too. Then online forums started to get popular and Final Fantasy games got their dedicated forums with people talking about them, sharing art they found and writing fanfics. My first girlfriend was from a FF forum

>>12128543
And where's the cut off point? To me FFX already is when the Enix era shit started to show its ugly head.

>>12127723
>ffviii hater
>tripfaggot
classic

>>12128537
You mean a character that isn't a boring emo fuck with no personality? A character that works really well as a narrator and has his own valuable insight as an outsider?

>>12128791
I really don't like a lot of his voice acting. I also find the ways he reacts to a lot of things to be closer to a little kid than that of a ~20 year old. They went full-blown anime with him, and I've just honestly never been super into anime style stuff.
This one is less important, but I'm not a fan of his outfit. I think it simply looks stupid lol.

His actual writing is good, and his background narration when he's using his normal voice is good too. But pretty much everything he does during cutscenes I find obnoxious.

>>12128537
>10 has a great storyline
No, it doesn't.

>>12128904
thanks for the heads up

>>12128606
was she a real girl though

>>12128791
>A personality is when you're a loud energetic retard

>Come back from dollet mission with Siren and maybe status junction
>Quisty gives you a status junction tutorial
>Mobs in the area carry status effects you can draw and junction or use on T-Rexuar ez-pz
"The game is just too hard."

>>12128690
Any game with this label

Oh yeah gettin renzo trigger crits at 3x spd on this dino with zero cheese strats so far. Not hard enough I say.

It's-a gud-a game.

>>12129269
>>12129320
>>12129219
based enjoyer. Don't forget to get the Quistis card from the Cafeteria. Shits nice to have early.

>>12129376
I'll get right on that, I've only played one match so far.

>>12129390
You just challenge the Quistis fan girls in the back. I forget which one exactly has her card. Make sure you save beforehand in case you lose.
>Zells house
You can also get Zells card from his mom if you challenge her after you get back from the Dollet mission.

>>12128297
>X is the best FF
lol
lmao even

Not even Top 5

>>12129467
She has entered the realm.

>>12129491
wicked sick

Then we disco in 'nam, or something.

>>12129572
>>12129496
>>12129491
>demaster faggot spamming a previously good thread
fuck off

>>12127786
>on my first playthrough not properly understanding the system
Why would you play a game, not properly understanding the system, on your first playthrough?
Is it FFVII's fault if I refuse to slot materia?
V's if I don't change classes?
X's if I dont assign points to sphere grids??

>>12129612
Friend. I played FF7 when i was a kid 12yo and it got me to want to play FF8 that releases when i was 14. They were my first JRPGs so I simply didn't understand the system 100% on my first runs. In FF8 i simply ended up levelling higher because each level up took only 1000exp and I went in circles exploring the places, not utilizing magic refinements or optimizing my spell libraries or junctions. I'm not blaming the game, I simply didn't grasp the system nor my options. It lead to me being high levelled with enemies scaling up and since i didn't have the OP spells nor junctions, the enemies HP creep was more impactful and I wasn't able to scale with my own damage output. After reaching the final dungeon and managing to power through the final battle, I did another run with better understanding of the system nad got GFs and other stuff i missed on the initial run

>>12129572
I hope you got Magic Lamp from Cid when leaving Balamb Garden for Timber. If you didn't, no Diablos GF nor his Enemy Encounter None ability to you never ever

>>12129612
Do you have autism?

>>12129660
Welcome to FF threads. Everyone here has autism, both those who hate particular entry and those who like particular entry

>>12129390
It's interesting how big of a jump graphically FFVIII (models, FMVs, music fidelity etc.) was compared to FFVII Lego models, even though both were released for the same, PSX console.
It's even more interesting that, according to info gathered on TCRF wiki, there's a lot of unused content that works fully if hacked in, or stuff dummied out but which led to even more quests and expanded the storyline. It seems both games, which were already ambitious, had people working on it who wanted to include even more stuff, but it seems that at a certain point they were forced to scale down their expectations.
I still can't believe that, more than 25 years after release of both, Sqeenix fell into the same trap most developers fell into - just concentrate on making the game graphically mint, but leave the story and critical battle systems as the last thing on priorities list. It used to be reversed, first the storyline was agreed upon, subject to certain changes later on and then the models, environment style, everything was then made to fit the overall "feel" that they wanted to give to the game. It's a shame, really. Using Unreal Engine which causes massive problems, instead of making a good in-house engine (like Atlus) that can be used for future and current games, plus making it far more optimized so it can work smoothly on far more systems.

>you can fight diablos with lagunas party
did you know?

>>12129692
Yes. It's stated in the wiki

>>12129654
It was my first rpg too, I was 9 and an ESL with a dictionary by my side, junction is easy to understand, the game is borderline linear if you don't skip text.
It's not the JRPG's fault.

I desperately need a difficulty mod for this game. its like pokemon, the in game mechanics are amazing but the game itself is so piss easy you barely need to utilize them. and challenge runs are lame as hell

>>12129692
Draw from Lion-Lizards statues broght life for Carbuncle, NORG (after destroying the machine protecting him) for Leviathan, Fujin for Pandemona, Edea at end of Disc 2 for Alexander. The tomb of unknown king has Brothers, first you need to face the bigger brother and after beating him the path to the smaller one opens up and you face them both. They regenerate from touching the ground so cast Float on them, there's hideen draw point for the Float spell on your way there, you need to have Siren's ability equipped that reveals hidden draw points and save points. You can go to GF menu to choose which abilities the GFs are currently learning.

The Odin's ruins have Tonberry enemies, kill 20 of them to fight King Tonberry and get Tonberry GF. There's a round platform screen that only has Tonberry enemies for faster operation. For Doomtrain pick up Solomon's Ring at the Lunar Point statue and get 6 Steel Pipes, 6 Malboro Tentacles and 6 Remedy+ (need Alexander Med refinement skill for Remedy+). Bahamut at Deep Sea Research Center, the last question has hidden last option that you need to bring the cursor to select.

>>12129694
That's nice. FF8 is still in my top4 FF games. Just because I had trouble understanding it on first playthrough, doesn't mean I hate it. I participated in the discussion to share my own experiences. You don't need to get hyper defensive over it.

>>12129269
Man, why did they fuck up the fonts and use some default one instead of the one used previously for the demaster? They also managed to add even more bugs, as the new models fail to work properly in scenes requiring changing their facial expressions. They did the same in case of FFX demaster, if I remember right.
Perhaps it's caused by outsourcing the modelwork to people who have had no idea how the underlying system worked. And before Squeenix realized, it was already the release time, too late to fix everything (likely Indians) fucked up, since there's so many FMVs and the models (or the underlying system) would need an overhaul to work right. It was clearly meant to be marketed to people who didn't play these titles before and like better graphix or they'll consider the game "too dated".

>>12129704
I emulated FF8 og PS version few years back and the game froze at the optional Rinoa FMV at Balamb Garden balcony that only plays if you have Rinoa return with you to the Garden after the prison. Had to change some emulator setting to have it run the FMV

>>12129658
I got the lamp.

>>12129703
I just shared mine too, hyper defensive is uncalled for, if you don't want replies then just don't post.

>>12129717
Aye, I wish you the best in future.

>>12129716
Yeah I figured from >>12129692 since the last screenshot you posted was the first Laguna scene >>12129572

>>12124096
That you can play FFVIII in different ways, especially once you have a full understanding of the systems it has, it becomes fun as hell to break it in various ways. Reminds me of probably unintended, but entirely possible to pull off, the fight with Midgar Zolom when you're still low level and just received the Enemy Skills Materia. There's no way you can accidentally do that one, as the game itself tells you to just speed through the desert and avoid the encounter as you WILL get raped without being prepared and knowing the strategy, which requires you to face Midgar Zolom with the best armor you can get at this point, have Enemy Skills and Poison Materia equipped on Cloud. You need to cast poison first on the damn snake and have to survive as it whittles down its huge HP.
Then, just hope it will cast Beta once and that Cloud is able to survive it. If you do it properly, you get Beta very early on which is your strongest spell for quite some time, that rapes any random encounter not resistant to fire spells.

>>12129740
You can return to the first continent with buggy by driving it to Costa Del Sol and asking the sailor to take you back to Junon. When you get Buggy you also just got Caith Sith with Manipulate. The Manipulate allows you to learn White Wind from Zemzelett in Junon area and buggy allows you to access the sleeping man's cave for elemental rings and mithril key item that can be traded for Aerith's final limit break. On your trip to there you can also learn Beta from the snake. The Fort Condor minigame expects you to return there after each story segment fir the nominal rewards

>>12129740
Also you forgot to mention Elemental materia which was optional reward from Shinra HQ and linking it to Fire materia in your armor for the chance to survive Beta

>>12129706
I just played the Steam release (or re-release) for PC. I do remember it using the OG models, fonts etc. I found it interesting that both FFVII and FFVIII releases for PC don't have their famous dupe bugs fixed. W-Item Materia for FFVII, I don't remember the method for FFVIII but I think it was easy and available early on, so you could get any spell to 99 and then junction it for juicy stats.
Of course, I only play around with bugs after playing the game normally. In both FFVII and FFVIII cases, I was completely amazed how much hidden and missable stuff there's put in, which in most of cases you can only figure out after reading a guide on GameFAQs.

>>12129753
Oh yeah, that was the part you required to have equipped on Cloud with an armor that had the linking capabilities.
This is just another thing that shows one would have had to play the game previously or read a guide in order to even have a shot at doing it - since it's still hard even when you're prepared. If the RNG dislikes you, your party gets blown out by the first Beta and, before you can heal, another Beta lands (or some powerful physical attack).

>>12129770
The snake will eject character before it uses Beta. If character is ejected you can't game over, instead you return outside the swamp after losing the battle. The reason you want Cloud to poison the snake is that Cloud or whoever is your designated e.skill learner will not be ejected because the snake ejects the character that previously dealt damage to it

>>12129762
Recovery magic refinement lets you get Curagas from Tents and tents are sold in shops. With curagas you can raise your HP to several thousands even if low level. Higher max HP lets you stay in yellow HPs without danger so you can proc Limit Breaks reliably. The fish fin drops from low level fish enemies can be refined to Water spells with Shiva's Ice/Water refining and Water spells are strong spells for the beginning so they raise any stats no matter what you junction it to

>>12129750
Interesting. I did Fort Condor all the way until getting the Huge Materia. I know there was some way to cheese the battles with adequate unit placement. Also, I did every minigame for max rewards and the two I remember that really pissed me off were the one you have to perform all the military commands during some parade properly and quickly. The second was, of course, the Battle Square. I'm almost done with it, about to have enough points for Cloud's max limit break book, and the last enemy in the square is the fucking Ship with a skeleton paddling it, which uses its ability that throws you out of the battle. Fucking fuck...

>>12129782
The Battle Square final round enemy is randomized depending on the earlier rounds. You can check the wiki and if you see the final enemy will be the boat you can call it quits before the final round to preserve your accumulated Battle Points

>>12129786
Depends on which handicaps you got. If you lose access to multihit attacks or magic or damage output, it's safer to call it quits before the final fight because the boat will eject you before you get to kill it. The floating water dragon monster is managable even without your OP skills but you will need means to heal yourself because the fight will drag on

>>12129782
Yeah the fort condor battles' rewards are not very viable, it's more of the completionist thing. The biggest hurdle is to having to make the trip back after each story scene and spending money to hire troops. It's really not worth it but I can understand autists having the need to get and do everything the game offers you to do

Played a buncha PUBG for some reason but we back at it.

>>12129805
Not worth it. The ring gives you protection against Confusion and other smaller status ailments, the Magic Comb gives double AP growth sure, but still not worth it and Yuffie's Superball is just the joke weapon with no materia slots like Cloud's Nailbat (which I actually do use), Aerith's Umbrella and all the other no materia slots but high attack stat weapons

>>12129818
Depending how many and which Timber Maniac magazines you found an d read prior the scene, the scene plays differently. Laguna might fall asleep during his meeting with Julia in the hotel room or he can be autistically rambling about his dreams to Julia until he is called to mission. It also affects later game blog posts Selphie writes about Laguna. They can be accessed after returning to Balamb Garden and checking computer and the school's internet

Trains and shit.

>>12129850
The zombie decoy president asserts his dominance over femoids making them take submissive poses

Fuck this zomboid thing to hell.

>>12129857
Zell has never-ending combo with up down -> left left O -> O X -> up down -> left left O and so on. It can be started at any point and it will always have the next move available. Once you know the gimmick, you don't even need to wait see the window open up and you can simply repeat it so each input will only take like 1/10s second

Went back to Dollet for some vibes.

>>12129891
I love how emotionless the demake makes everyone. They appear to be doing happy poses, but their facial animations are cooked.

When scanning Selphie, you can't rotate her to see under her skirt while you can rotate other characters and enemies. That was the point when I knew game devs have fallen. The year was 1999.

>>12129798
Yep. I eventually got the RNG right by save scumming, but playing FFVII with the completionist thing in mind makes it not only longer, but also more interesting in a sense. After all, the actual battles I was waiting for were Ruby and Emerald weapons, both pack far more punch than the Sephiroth bitch.

>>12129905
What's the point when Quistis is the actual hot babe on your team? They fucked up with Rinoa. If only she wasn't so insufferable, then I could let that one slide, after all FF gaymes are not really relationship simulators like Personae 3 or 4.

>>12129908
Aye, the fastest way to deal with Emerald and Ruby is multiple counter attacks, 4xCut and multi-hit limitbreaks (Cloud, Barret, Cid). It's faster than knights of the round spamming or setting up Phoenix and Final Attack

>>12129912
I only referred to Selphie being exception who you can rotate because the devs didn't want to allow you to see up her skirt. Funnily the Mega Man dev gave feedback to the Marvel vs Capcom dev because the dev didn't include panty shots for Roll. So they fixed it and added numerous pantyshots for Roll

>>12129698
wear a really tight swimsuit

So apparently there is a beta or demo that has a mute Rinoa in the Dollet mission instead of Selphie.

That made me think, what if they kept everything else the same as the final but swapped Rinoa and Selphie's models?

>selphie is the love interest
>rinoa is the garden festival retard

How does it change things?

>>12130143
It was demo. It had the Ifrit Cavern and Dollet Mission. It showed Leviathan GF and yeah Rinoa in Dollet in Selphie's place

>>12130143
In dev phase the player was meant to be allowed to choose love interest from Rinoa, Quistis and Selphie but later in devolpment they decided to make Rinoa the love interest

>>12127554
the fact that you think you need a "meticulous min-max guide" to figure out that refining tents into curagas makes you invincible really gives a solid idea of just how ignorant the average FF8 shill is.

>>12130217
I dunno. I still like playing Super Marios from 1 to World and Yoshi's Island even though I'm so good at them that they don't actually pose the intended challenge. And I still like to replay FF5, 7 and 8 even though they don't offer the same challenge they offered when I played them for the first time

>>12121383
Whose side are you on, son?

>>12124385
>there's just not enough game to balance it out.
Yeah, and it's really obvious. There are so many points in the game where you wander around environments wasting time, like the valve-turning "puzzle" under the Garden, or when you're trying to find the Captain in Balamb, the game literally sends you to EVERY screen and some NPC tells you "oh, you just missed the guy!". So many areas send you in, then force you to backtrack out just to create filler, like the test in Dollet, or going up and down the fucking identical floors of the prison for no goddamn reason. The most obvious offender is Shumi Village where you get sent on a quest to find a rock on every screen. They even lampshade this by saying the purpose of the quest was to make sure you appreciate their village because they spent "a lot of time working on it", lmao. A plea directly from the art department, no doubt.

FF8 probably still could have been a decent game if they had been willing to cut it down to a 30-ish hour experience, but that would have been marketing suicide, for the sequel to FF7 to be shorter and fit on fewer discs. They honestly could have cut out the entire overworld, though, it was so pointless.

Also why is there no porn of the matron of Fisherman's Horizon? She seems hot and plump.

>>12129818
how do they manage to make these demakes look worse than the ancient originals every fucking time? who decided that throwing vaseline on backgrounds throwing in razor sharp new 3d models that dont look the real characters was a good idea? holy shit i hate SE and the retards who guzzle up their slop

>>12130163
>ywn play the chads version of viii where you ignore the "you just know" dog lady whore and spend your time with the way hotter and smarter teacher babe with whips who was into you from the start

>>12130292
>a plea directly from the art department, no doubt
KEK very funny though I disagree with your analysis, you could nitpick every single jrpg ever made the same way. not every moment in the game is going to be peak meaningful content and having downtime isnt a bad thing. if all you did was walk from cutscene to cutscene youd have ffxiii which everyone agrees is trash. also every screen in VIII is gorgeous and I dont mind interacting with the world in routine ways. the overworld was clearly undercooked but far from pointless, theres multiple secret areas that have to be discovered and finally getting the airship and flying around being able to access everything with ease is an amazing moment in every FF. cutting the overworld is one of the biggest reasons FF went to shit

>>12130292
>>12130394
They needed Shumi village to show not all Shumis are as bad as NORG. By that point NORG had been the only touch player had experienced of Shumi so the village was to show NORG was exception and he was greedy and evil and FAT while other Shumi were nice and comfy and thin.

>>12130373
Japs don't have an actual sense of aesthetic, they just happened to luck onto some good ones a couple of times in recent history. They abandon everything for the newest thing as soon as they can. There are many recent interviews with Miyamoto and several other bigwigs basically saying they don't understand how anyone can like anything older than the newest thing, because it's new so it must be better

>>12130376
Hilarious how you think the older girl with a whip with an in-universe fanbase of simps at her disposal is not a whore but assume the younger naive princess is

Your mind is rotted beyond all reason

>>12130292
>Also why is there no porn of the matron of Fisherman's Horizon? She seems hot and plump.
man of culture detected

>>12130459
tell me again, which one is it that fucked your in game rival?

>>12130470
Neither? The only fucking happened in your head, ntrcuck

>>12130394
>you could nitpick every single jrpg ever made the same way
Well, I do. I really like to get into every JRPG I play, and treat the world as though it's a real place and the NPCs as real people—I spend a lot of time backtracking trying to read ALL the dialogue and see all the events. Sometimes it's rewarding, sometimes it isn't. But FF8 is just one of those games where the more invested you get, the more it lets you down. Like pretty much everything falls apart after disc 1. And even disc 1 starts falling apart before it's over.

>>12130434
>They needed Shumi village to show not all Shumis are as bad as NORG
Why, though? Even if you argue that the Shumi are integral to the plot, why is it important that we differentiate NORG from them?

>>12130459
>older girl with a whip
Isn't Quistis only like a year older than everyone else? When I was a kid I always assumed she was in her 20s or something. Making the hot teacher the same age as her students (and arguably less competent) completely defeats the purpose.

>>12130474
>Isn't Quistis only like a year older than everyone else? When I was a kid I always assumed she was in her 20s or something. Making the hot teacher the same age as her students (and arguably less competent) completely defeats the purpose.
For Quistis her age actually makes sense. The point of Quistis was that she was a great student who seemed to be good enough to become an instructor early, but actually wasn't mature enough even though she put on airs. This would make her look pathetic if she was mid 20s or even 30, but at 18/19 it's understandable and makes her believable. Someone that age absolutely would not be able to handle authority and get busted back down quickly.

>>12130470
>fucked your in game rival
Yeah, the other guy was right, your brain is completely rotted.
There is literally nothing in game that implies that happened. Or even that they were even together.
Rinoa literally says that she's not even sure if it was just a crush on her end, or if he was ever interested back.

>>12130474
>Why, though? Even if you argue that the Shumi are integral to the plot, why is it important that we differentiate NORG from them?
Because NORG was a jew stereotype. They needed to show he was merely bad individual and "not all jews"

>>12130474
Bro, we get it, you don't like FF8. What exactly is your goal by coming into the FF8 thread and arguing with fans?
You're unironically a loser, kek.

Rinoa's mom, Julia Heartilly, loved Laguna sooooo much that when he was announced M.I.A., she fell into deep depression.
Rinoa's dad, Fury Caraway, goaded her into marrying him (since he'd been pandering to her for years at the Galbadia Hotel, already). He was romantically obsessed with Julia. No one else for him, only her. Eventually, they had Rinoa.
Julia continued becoming more and more famous with her songs (such as her lyrics crying for Laguna in "Eyes On Me"), but despite her new family, daughter, high-class husband, national fame and extreme wealth... she just couldn't live without that one time she met Laguna 'cause she loveloveloves him. Within just a few years, she gives up on life.
Golly; Julia just loves Laguna so much! All her talent and beauty and fame... meant nothing to her anymore after rabu-rabu Raguna-san! So much!!

A mention all that to say that Rinoa takes after her father about obsessing over love and takes after her mother and can't help falling into the abyss of Laguna-Love when she see Squall.
J.K. - Rinoa is self-absorbed, all-about-loving her first partner and that she only loves Seifer.

>>12130507
The idea is that the Laguna-Julia love was fate, and fate being something you can't escape from,unfulfilled it carried over to their children, Squall and Rinoa.

>>12130490
Yeah, but what's the point of that? She's still a terrible character. The only "development" she gets is that it turns out she is neither a good teacher or competent leader, nor does she actually love Squall. My expectations have been subverted, yayyyy. My argument is simply that, if she were 30, at least she would have been hotter.

>>12130502
Actually I like FF8 a lot. I'm just not willing to pretend it doesn't have flaws, nor am I willing to ignore the extremely obvious reason behind most of those flaws.

Seifer's romantic dream of becoming knight to his sorceress stems from the movie he saw as a kid where Laguna plays the knight. Seifer also copied his gunblade stance from Laguna's improv holding gunblade. Seifer-Rinoa was a thing because Rinoa turns out to be sorceress later in game.

>>12130515
The only character moment Quistis gets after the start is her suddenly wanting to apologize to Rinoa while they were in their post for Edea assassination jeopardizing the mission because they returnto Rinoa's house for it. Oh yeah and Quistis being bossy as child in orphanage

>>12130490
>This would make her look pathetic if she was mid 20s or even 30
>implying a 20-30-something girlfailure wouldn't be an instantly endearing and beloved character, as well as an improvement over what we got
Come now, lad.

>>12130521
This is easily one of the best details I've ever heard pointed out about this game. I don't remember where the game mentioned Seifer seeing the movie, but I do recall him being on the waiting list to check out the book. Either it got a novelization, or the movie was based on the book to begin with.

>>12130531
>implying a 20-30-something girlfailure wouldn't be an instantly endearing and beloved character, as well as an improvement over what we got
I'm not implying that, I directly said that. Just because you are a 30 year old failure doesn't make it an endearing trait.

This era in JRPG was all about subverting the tropes, both in story and gameplay, and this was especially true with Squaresoft .

FF8 is probably my favourite example of that. You can take the story at face value as the old Good vs Evil archetype, but if you dig a little and read between the lines you realize that it doesn't hold and everything is in a grey area:
>Recruit orphans in order to turn them into soldiers, knowingly make them use a weapon which damages their brain. The Good guys.
>Ultimecia knows SeeD are coming to kill her and that it's inevitable because it already happened so controlling time & space is her only way to survive. Her only motive is survival.

That's the grand lines but there is more of that in the details, like how they end up making peace with Galbadia, Seifer being full of grey areas too.
At the end of Disc 1 Squall thinks to himself "there is no bad guy, only two parties with different points of views" and it doesn't just apply to the situation at the end of disc 1 but to the entire game.
Also when the mayor Horizon says they could solve the conflict if they just stopped and talked, which Squall's brushes off as naive because of his military upbringing, or should I say indoctrination, this too could apply to the entire game. If Squall and Ultimecia had a chat they'd realize they only want to kill each others BECAUSE the one wants to kill the other and vice versa. Though of course this is not possible because of the theme of fate which is so proeminent in the entire game, but that's an entire other topic entirely.

>>12130537
Majority of 20th century stories of this nature could be solved if the hero and villain just had a conversation. Unfortunately, fiction is made largely to support our fictionalized reality and make IT seem more believable by association. War and violence and conflict must seem inevitable to a world where the wealthy depend on war and conflict for their wealth to flourish.

>>12130497
>There is literally nothing in game that implies that happened. Or even that they were even together.
There are at least 3 different dialogue boxes that directly imply sex happened, yes.
When Squall is introduced to her on the train (she's diappointed, thinking that since she bought a SeeD from Balamb Garden, she'd be getting her previous purchase, Seifer).
When she notices Seifer is defending Edea as her knight, she's emotionally upset. When Squall tells her that he's probably going to have to kill Seifer, she's further upset.
When Rinoa is on your team fighting Seifer, he reminds her of their past intimacy and questions her willingness to fight him.
When Squall and Rinoa are on the Ragnarok, after she inherits Adel's sorcerecy, she speaks about Seifer again and is willingness to be a knight but how he's gone and if Squall would be her knight now despite how he must feel threatened by her past.
Even the Ultimania guide "literally," as-you-state, details them as "ex-lovers."

So. Uh.
No.

>>12130513
Laguna was a theatrical knight for a princess to fight evil, after all.

>>12130534
Yes. And you're wrong. Lol, retard.

>>12130551
There is nothing that implies sex though, that's just your headcannon.

If anything the Seifer-Rinoa relationship also ties in to the concept of fate. It was Seifer's fate to become a soreceress' knight, this was the drive behind their relationship. Rinoa wasn't a sorceress yet technically but Fate knows, and it didn't work out precisely because of that thus making Seifer turn towards Edea/Ultimecia.

The past Seifer-Rinoa relationship is a way to further explain Seifer's motives and decisions in the game.

>>12130551
>When she notices Seifer is defending Edea as her knight, she's emotionally upset. When Squall tells her that he's probably going to have to kill Seifer, she's further upset.
Nothing to do with sex, all in your head
>When Rinoa is on your team fighting Seifer, he reminds her of their past intimacy and questions her willingness to fight him
Again, all in your head. You assume sex is the only outcome of two people dating or even just spending time around each other, yet Rinoa and Squall never had sex during the story despite their factual, literal romance through the entire back half of the game being open and admitted, so obviously one does not track to the other.
>When Squall and Rinoa are on the Ragnarok, after she inherits Adel's sorcerecy, she speaks about Seifer again and is willingness to be a knight but how he's gone and if Squall would be her knight now despite how he must feel threatened by her past
Again, this mentions nor implies anything about sex
>Even the Ultimania guide "literally," as-you-state, details them as "ex-lovers."
Again, no sex mentioned. All in your head.

You are seriously mindbroken and need therapy. I can already see you are some lonely fat sperg who seethes about fictional women fictionally cucking you day in and day out.

>>12130551
Seifer never uses the word "intimacy".
All of this implies feelings, but anything sexual is pure head canon.
An obvious example of sex would be Cloud and Tifa.
Rinoa clearly had strong feelings for Seifer, but it's written more like Seifer using those feelings against her, than them actually having a sexual past.

>>12130572
>Unless the T for Teen ESRB rated game "Final Fantasy VIII" sold to American children in 1998
>has a dialogue box, by Rinoa,
>that EXPLICITLY DETAILES how Seifer sticks his erect penis into Rinoa's consenting-wet vagina and pounds her again & again,
>and how Rinoa loved it
>and Seifer loved it
>and then says, again, that they had sexual intercourse out of romantic love and physical attraction...

>...THEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
>IT'S ONLY IMPLIED
>and only YOU infer SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay. You win. I'm wrong!
Have a nice day~

>>12130587
FF7, Xenogears, and FFX all have pretty on-the-nose sex scenes
When Square wanted to show or imply sex, they made it very obvious

FF8 had nothing of the sort and you're here doing Olympic level gymnastics to try and twist it into happening, I can only assume because it is your fetish and you really really want it to be true.

>>12130592
Not that Anon but if they did have sex, would that change anything? Does it matter at all?

>>12130595
It doesn't, but in this instance it's just incorrect and pushed by weirdos who have a cuck fetish and it annoys me that people like to bandy their headcanon around as if it's fact

>enjoy game
>post some screenshots
>wake up to 100 posts of people sperging about story what-ifs
Jesus Christ guys. It's a cozy game with nice environments and music. The battle system and upgrade systems are fun to play with. But noooo "what if this character did kissy-face with this one?" Wow, riveting stuff guys.

I know all the characters have ages and everything is dated (x happened ... years ago), but it's my firm, resolute and unwavering belief that Laguna is also Rinoa's father and that she and Squall are brother and sister as well as lovers and this is why this is one of my favorite games.

>>12130617
Don't worry anon, just keep posting your updates. I'm getting ready to boot it up myself, once I find my disc 1 >.>
We'll bully the spergs out of our FF8 threads, just like the Kings Field guys finally bullied theirs out.

>>12121357
I sort of assumed that the amnesia is something that happens over a long period of time, and using the GFs to accomplish their current mission isn't going to do much more damage than they've sustained already.
But considering how stupid some of the other stuff is, your interpretation is fair

>>12130690
>hey what about you Selphie you never used GFs right
>LOL ACTUALLY I FUCKED ONE ONE TIME IN SUMMER CAMP BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTED

>>12130690
>I sort of assumed that the amnesia is something that happens over a long period of time,
The game makes it clear that in some cases, it's very short-term—once when you come back to Balamb, Squall forgets one of the students he graduated with. Later on, he literally forgets a guy he meets in FH after walking two screens away.

>>12130572
>THEYRE EX LOVERS BUT ALL THEY DID WAS HOLD HANDS!!!

are you 12 years old?

>>12130602
I respect your cause. It's one thing to praise a shitty game or ignore its flaws, but it's another to intentionally misunderstand it just because your whole life hinges on whether or not fictional people had sex.

>>12130718
>ex-lovers
never mentioned

>>12130617
>The battle system and upgrade systems are fun to play with.
Are they, though? This is kind of my biggest criticism. If you don't take the time to learn or ignore the in-game tutorial, then it's just a kind of confusing and tedious wall of menus that makes your spells and summons seem worthless for their traditional purposes.

But... once you actually learn the system, it becomes braindead easy, and stupidly linear. The only sensible thing to do is to turn every character into a 9999HP beat-stick—there's really no reason not to. I tried at least building Rinoa as a spellcaster, but it's entirely pointless outside of a couple of boss fights. You're better off just having her shoot her thingy off every round instead of wasting your precious spells to do less reliable damage.

>>12130717
To be fair, I forgot both of those guys too. Maybe it's more of a statement that we generally don't pay attention to people around us.

>>12130727
>it becomes braindead easy, and stupidly linear.
So it becomes a standard FF game

It's just a universal problem with JRPGs that they have to give an option to grind yourself to OP because a big chunk of the audience are elementary school boys, I think anons tend to forget that their aging jaded selves are not the intended demographic then or now, even with remakes and remasters.

>>12130727
NTA but using one spell out of the 99 you got junctioned doesnt lower the stat any meaningful way. Even if you cast 10 of them it doesnt make a meaningful dent for the stat. Aaand after the fight you can simply replenish them via spell refinement and/or by having the 3 members not in battle to act as spell mules and transfer the used spells from them

FF8 is a great game with some monstrously stupid shit in it that almost makes it not a great game. But it's still a great game.

I had a friend playing FF8 for the first time couple months ago. He had played FF6 and FF7 in his youth and he liked it. Told me he was very emotional especially at the ending with the home video style scenario of the ending party. He never went full autistic on the game system but he enjoyed experience and was addicted to the card game and getting new cards.

oh yeah, it's gaming time

Squall is literally me

>>12130761
Whatever.

>>12130735
>So it becomes a standard FF game
That's not true, though. FF7 and FF5 had way more varied builds, and it was generally more fun to put a party together. Sure you COULD build every character the same, but then you'd actually run into bosses or scenarios that would punish that, especially in FF5. Heck, FF6 is piss-easy, and even that was more fun in terms of customization, because characters had fixed strengths and abilities that you were encouraged to compliment with the best equipment/relics. None of that exists in FF8. it's just "STATS GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"

I get that you're trying to write off criticism by saying "Well none of it matters because all JRPGs are easy!", and while I don't disagree, very few have progression as entirely vapid and shallow as FF8.

>>12130742
Sure, but there's also no real benefit to using them.
>after the fight you can simply replenish them via spell refinement and/or by having the 3 members not in battle to act as spell mules and transfer the used spells from them
Seriously, why make the extra work for yourself when you can just have your character attack and do the same damage or better, without the need to manage any inventory?

>>12130717
I'd forgotten about that. It's still probably worth the risk to use them at least until the threat is dealt with though.

>>12130765
>I get that you're trying to write off criticism
I think it has more to do with none of us caring about your criticisms anymore. We've been going in circles with you people for 4 days. You're not going to convince anyone here.

>>12130757
you guys gonna get the new toyota?

>>12130765
>Sure, but there's also no real benefit to using them.
If you didn't grind up curagas to bloat your HP early on, then magic deals a good bit more damage to elemental enemies and can end random encounters faster, especially since it takes to level scaling better than str. Doubles and triples are also extremely useful for getting your buffs up, and of course Meltdown is the most busted debuff in the series.

The game can be broken in any number of ways, but if you simply don't do that, then it's much more enjoyable. But with everyone absorbing bullshit like "hit yourself for hours in FF2 lelelelel" before even playing anything, it's pretty much impossible to have someone play a game straight anymore. They just want to cross it off their list and most likely feel justified in continuing to shit on it - that they were already doing before they even tried it.

>>12130771
>I think it has more to do with none of us caring about your criticisms anymore.
Well, no, because if you didn't care, you wouldn't respond, or at the very least you'd just tell me to fuck off. But you're still engaging and trying to explain why my criticisms don't matter or aren't applicable.
>You're not going to convince anyone here.
I'm not trying to convince anyone anything. If you love FF8 in spite of its flaws and choose to uphold the good parts and ignore the bad, that's 100% fine. But don't tell people they're wrong for noticing a flaw you're overlooking on purpose.

>>12130781
think I can still order one?

>>12130791
got my ticket

When I was a kid I think I had FF8 and TSW mixed up in my mind and thought both were from the same game, so I expected a lot more sci fi out of FF8 when I played it.
I wasn't disappointed, but a little confused

>>12130783
>If you didn't grind up curagas to bloat your HP early on,
lmao, you don't even have to "grind" up curagas, though. That's the hilarious part. You just buy tents and refine them with Siren to get 10 of them at a time. You don't even have to grind the money—as long as you have a decent seed rank, you'll have plenty of money to get 300 curagas before you get anywhere near Deling.

It's so simple. This isn't an advanced strat or some kind of tedious grind that I had to read about online. I just engage with games instead of mindlessly pressing forward and never expirimenting. If your argument is that engaging with the game mechanics is the first step toward finding FF8 to be stupid and tedious, I guess I agree with you.

>>12130791
>entire line of intricately sculpted and highly posable monsters and summons
>main character line get shoulders and that's it
Even back then I thought it was weird.

>>12130803
>as long as you have a decent seed rank
Okay, but to have a decent SeeD rank, you need to grind. You need to defeat enemies (100 of them, iirc), or you need to progress through the story, or you need to take the tests.

To pass the tests you need to already have foreknowledge of the game, or be using a cheat sheet, since a lot of the questions are quite specific and even experienced players are unlikely to remember every one, and many of the questions are not something you can find out on Disc 1 at all.

Not only that, but SeeD only pays every so many steps, and you drop in SeeD points every time. So either you only get enough money to stock up tents when you have advanced in the game a good ways anyway, OR you sat and... grinded, by running in circles. Which will also lower your rank, which you then need to take the test to get back up.

It's not advanced, but it does require reading ahead, it's not something you can naturally figure out the first time you boot up the game. And if it's not your first time playing, then you already know that cheesing the game in this way makes it less fun, so why are you doing it?

The game, like most RPGs, is a lot more fun if you're underpowered and have to use strats other than just attack.
You CAN do the tent -> curaga thing, but it would just make the rest of the game boring.

>>12130551
Yep, Seifer spit roasted that little piggy she's become a shameless cock pursuer once he's gone, trying his best hitting on MILFs.
You have to be retarded to not see and READ from the story itself that they were together. Rinoa is used goods. NTR Chads dined well with this entree.

>>12130852
Aaaand that's why you're a virgin at 35.

>>12130761
Gets no sex while his Chad friend fucked his current girl (friend)?

the inner pages still have new guide smell

>>12130865
This isn't the board for your cuck fantasies, ranjeet
>>>/lgbt/

>>12130791
I had the Laguna figurine

>>12130829
>To pass the tests you need to already have foreknowledge of the game
I had the right answers saved to my phone's, Nokia 3310 memo. I looked them up online at school and just marked them down like 1. YNNYNNYY 2. NYYNNYYY and so on

>>12130858
Lmao, a worthy attempt... But futile. There's no bigger virgin that a guy who gets upset at people having different taste or at those accepting the truth and going "what the hell, let's roll with it!".

>>12130884
Exactly, so you had to cheat to cheese the game. Not the game's fault you're a shit.

>>12130887
I wasn't the guy you argued with. I like the game and I have replayed it about 10 times. Of course there's optimal way to play it but after few times playing it through, I can spare to use spells for the heck of it because it's fun

>>12130881
very nice, I'm a big fan of the flashback segments. Particularly Ward.
>>12130884
>I had the right answers saved to my phone's, Nokia 3310 memo. I looked them up online at school and just marked them down like 1. YNNYNNYY
based. Those were the good ole days. I had so many cheat codes and random shit written across 30 different notebooks lol.

The first hotdog reference is actually before you even leave the classroom.

>>12130910
Fun fact, in JP it was anpan.
But yes, it's fun to watch the forum posts on the terminals as the game goes by. Neat little bit of world-building.

>>12130601
D-did they hold hands?

>>12130976
Cloud and Tifa fucked under the Highwind. Maybe the only instance where the devs admitted it. They said it was originally more suggestive but they toned it down.

>>12130976
>>12130981
Yes, if your affection points are high enough that scene happens. If your affection points are not high enough, they "just sleep" together. The next morning with the high affection scene the rest of the party tells they saw everything and Tifa is mortified and falls on her knees all for shaking her head. With low affection scene, she casually just makes a hair brush motion because there wasn't anything to see.

While still in development the devs planned to have the next morning happen in a way that first Cloud steps out from the airship's chocobo stable and Tifa coming after him and looking around nervously if anyone's there.

>>12130829
You almost understand how seed rank increases/decreases. You can make A rank with out ever taking the tests. You lose 10 points every time you are paid, you gain a point for each enemy you defeat. if your intial seed rank was level 8, you start with 800 points, defeat 110 enemies before next payment and you'll rank up to level 9

>>12131053
That's a lot of unnecessary fucking grinding just to try to make the game worse for yourself

>>12131059
I don't think anyone kills monsters just to raise their SeeD levels

>>12131053
Why bother when you can easily cheat and make infinite money?

>>12131081
Why bother when money doesn't matter at all in the game?

>>12131089
I'm not some pleb who uses his complete card collection just to make megalixirs etc.

>>12131059
>>12131081
I'm not suggesting anyone actually do that, just correcting incorrect information the other anon posted
>>12131089
Money could matter if you want to max a characters stats without junctions

>>12131101
You can get refined or missed cards back from Card Club members in Ragnarok in Disc 4

>>12121569
Selphie being shipped with the faggy cowboy is FF8's greatest tragedy.

>>12121097 (OP)
>people always meme to not level up and get the half encounter from Diablos summon so youu are at low level
>decide to do that
>am at level 16 and get to the Minotaur boss battle
>they do like 200 fucking damage to me out of nowhere
>first togh fucking battle of the game for me
>died like 3 times before barely finally killing them
Fuck all of you, I bet if I was on like level 20 and a bit stronger it would have been fine. Also how the fuck do I get better defense? I'm realizing I'm actually to fucking weak at this point in the game

>>12131847
you can draw float in the minotaur dungeon. negates almost everything they can do to you. Also, the higher levels = harder enemies doesn't really hit hard until the lunar cry on disc 3

>>12122709
>"it's" possibility
>calls people brainlets

>>12131847
You gotta level up your GFs so they learn more stat junctions so you can slap some magic on that defense, boy

>>12130910
Let me guess, it's about sucking dick, isn't it?

>>12130551
I love whenever a loremaster drops the "yes, they fucked, deal with it you petulant child".

>>12130618
Impossible, because it would make Square based, and they can't be based after retardedly going all in on Spirits Within which costed a fuckton of money they couldn't just make back off it, plus it seems they took additional loans to get it done.
I must however praise how obsessed Sakaguchi was over getting it done, even after they ran far over budget. 960 render farm workstations going at max power for around 4 years must have resulted in a very high electrical bill.

>>12131847
Go to GF menu. Choose GF. You now see you can choose which abilities the GF learn. Teach the refinery skills and junctions. Refine magic to junction to stats. Use Card command to turn enemies into cards and refine those cards to items and items to spells

>>12131784
sex

One of my school mates was complaining he had hard time with FF8 and after school I went to his home to see what was the problem. He had all the GFs equipped on Squall and he didn't have much of spells to junction. He was around Galbadia Garden - Deling City. I tried to explain he needs to spread GFs to other party members too and get some spells but he refused. He dropped the game.

>>12121097 (OP)
Check em

>>12132143
Epic fail.

people are finally waking up and realizing this game shits on, rapes, beats and humiliates ffix

>>12132158
FF9 was nice comfy experience but it lacks player agency 5, 7, 8 and 10 offer. Not to mention 9 has sloggish and ungodly slow transistions to battle and transitions from the battle models going from idle to executing the action animation. If you were into previous FFs, you most likely enjoy 9 too but you won't be wanting to replay 9

>>12132083
Now you understand why Halo became popular. It's just THAT many retards who can't play anything except shooters.

>>12127187
Oh I think i was given that by a friend as a kid - it was handy in places but I only really used it on my second playthrough. We used the Internet to look at more secrets

>>12128690
>>12128297
Yep I agree, it all started going downhill with X. I remember getting it on release and being disappointed. The previous 3 however was the opposite. Especially 8,definitely my fave

>>12132158
FFIX is a true nothingburger. Not bad enough to shit on it like FFXIII was, not good enough to include it in the Golden Era of Final Fantasy. For me, FFX was truly the Final Fantasy. Since then, they went full retard, changed many systems, including combat system, and even though these things made Final Fantasy such a major JRPG franchise.
To the point that even though Squeenix keeps fucking up ever since Lightning, people still hope that the next mainline game will be back to the old, great form. Meanwhile, Squeenix somehow makes some good spin-offs, but can't make a single, good mainline to save their lives.
All people really wanted from FFVII was basically a remaster with improved graphics and perhaps including content they previously had to cut. Instead it's more of a spin-off than a remake. Split into three games that don't even share saves between each other. I won't even mention the "diversity" inclusions in detail.

>>12132257
FF7 is my fav and I love Remake and Rebirth.

>>12132262
It's okay to be gay, let's rejoice with the boys in the gay way.

>>12132327
I see you are a man of culture as well

>>12132327
>>12132352

>>12132327
>>12132352
>>12132356

>>12132358
Cloud gave and received the best dicking of his life. He fucked Tifa later, but realized all he wants in life is bussy, preferably Sephiroth's, as they have a love-hate relationship, with Sephie being inside Cloud at all times (no homo).

>>12132262
You just have bad taste, that's a dime a dozen

>>12130829
>Okay, but to have a decent SeeD rank, you need to grind.
This depends on what your definition of "decent" is. In terms of earning enough to buy 30 tents, by the end of disc one, you really don't need a high rank at all—it's only 30,000 gil, cumulatively, and there's really nothing else to spend your money on.

>>12132632
>Meanwhile, Rinoa just waltzes in and makes an obvious sexual joke that she already got SeeD from Seifer and she's looking for something new

>>12124790
kek there was a thread about moai and /vr/ not long ago

>>12131851
>you can draw float in the minotaur dungeon.
Yep, and protect and shell. The battle is surprisingly easy even when you're underpowered. It was fun to figure out with no outside info, but here's a guide:
>Designate one party member as float caster and healer, put those spells at the top of their magic list. Don't forget life, or put phoenix downs at the top of your item list.
>Cast float on one minotaur since they heal from the ground, and focus only on it. Let Squall get into the yellow and Renzo like crazy for a slight amount of cheese if you allow yourself that.
>If you're really underpowered in hp / defense, get your healer or 3rd party member to cast protect on everyone early which will reduce dmg taken.
>Cast your strongest magic (or just attack) with the 3rd party member.
>If float wears off before it's dead (will happen), cast float on it again.
>Once the right minotaur is dead, do the same with the left one.
That's the whole battle. I'm sure you knew, just telling the lurkers.
Also you can cast shell on the minotaurs to halve their regen rate, but float eliminates their regen entirely.

>>12131847
>>12131851
>>12132684
Isn't that like the fourth boss fight in the entire game, how is he acting like you need to be super high level. Aren't you normally like level 20 by then, at most?

>>12132689
NTA but about yeah. The gimmick of the minotaurs isn't blatantly laid out: they regenerate from standing on the ground and you need to use Float on them to stop the regen. Many players might not have known at that point how to proc limitbreaks and if they didn't get Siren or didn't learn Siren's Move-Find they a) missed the draw point for Float and no monster at that point had the spell unless you grinded for the bird monster to have it at Galbadia Garden area b) missed the hidden save point before the boss. Plus the Minotaur Brothers have combo attack they can do if both them alive and it deals big damage. Unprepared players could easily wipe to them.

And to make it harder, the main quest needs you to go to the tomb and retrieve the previous student's ID. The ID can be found at the entrance and player might simply turn back without completing the maze and getting the Brothers Minotaurs. The maze also has Blobra enemies with high defence and you need to use Scan to see to which particular enemy that one Blobra is weak to. So lot of optional stuff laced with possibly new concepts for new players.

>>12132689
It's the hardest boss at that point in the game (also bosses lvl up with you so lvl doesn't matter) and its Mad Cow Special can wreck your party. It's also completely optional for those who can't figure it out.
But it's trivialized by casting float, which an NPC at the dungeon opening tells you, is drawable from enemies just outside there, and scanning them basically tells you that, too.

>>12132705
>>12132697
>>12132689
b-b-but FFVIII is a piss easy game that anyone can break in half just by opening the menu with no prior knowledge or cheats...

>>12132708
Like any RPG you can break the game if you follow guides online. But doing so cucks you out of any enjoyment of the battle system. VIII *can* be pretty difficult.
On my first playthrough as a teenager like 25 years ago picrel in the Missle Base almost made me quit the game because I was very unprepared.

>>12122709
>devs said point blank that Rinoa is not Ultimecia.
The screenshot you're replying to is literally an interview where Kitase retracts the statement which you're quoting. Rinoa was written by 3 different people - Kitase, Nojima, and Nomura. Turns out Nojima HAD been writing in hints that Rinoa was Ultimecia, similar to how he created the character "Shinra" in X to be a connection with VII. Kitase wasn't as involved in 8 as he was with 7, and simply didn't know Rinoas character very well.
Interview here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8asSQorSng&ab_channel=reibitto

>>12132708
It is.
>don't know how to play FF8?
>just spam summon lol
>know how to play FF8?
>you're min-maxed before you even reach the Fire Cavern and a walking god

>>12125192
I like how advanced debug rooms are in FFVII and FFVIII. They weren't removed because it seems that doing so would cause errors and bugs even more so than already there are. They seem to be intimately written into the base code.

>>12132756
>spam summon

Only if you're mentally retarded. I've only ever used every summon once to see their animation. Otherwise I used them for their skills that you junction. Especially refinement magic that opens the door to making you and invincible killing machine. Use. The. Fucking. Junction. System. That is explained to you fully in the beginning.

>>12132740
Nigga, please. It all fits together, he obviously got scolded by his higher-ups and had to make his statement even more of a non-statement. FFVIII is basically one, huge time loop. Rinoa doesn't get sorceress powers for no reason. There's a reason she succeeds Edea. Edea was apparently mindfucked by Ultimecia, but Rinoa wasn't - because they are the same person, model included. And certain behaviors are identical to Rinoa.

>>12132826
Sure. Ok, brah.

>>12132163
>Not to mention 9 has sloggish and ungodly slow transistions to battle and transitions from the battle models going from idle to executing the action animation. If you were into previous FFs, you most likely enjoy 9 too but you won't be wanting to replay 9
This is 100% true. I loved 9 but it's just so fucking SLOW. And slow in incredibly stupid and unnecessary ways, which is even worse.

>>12128297
>>muh overworld
why was it removed anyway? they didn't like how it could look on PS2?

>>12133046
It's a relic of old times, FFX didn't need it. Funnily enough, older JRPGs like Persona do have a form of an overworld, much more detailed and not just a gay, featureless shitmap with locations marked on it.

>>12133079
>it's a relic of old times
How so? It's basically just a slightly less open openworld.

>>12133079
It does actually look featureless on PS1. It was good at expressing scale, but the PS2 wasn't powerful enough to make the overworld look much prettier imo. It would still look featureless and consume too many resources.

>>12133162
It's just there to make the game take more time and of course for random encounters every few steps.

>>12133190
Disagree. Exploring RPG worlds is inherently fun. I'm sure most FFX fans would love to break out of the hallway system and explore the world - even if there isn't any "content" in it.

>>12133162
>just a slightly less open openworld

The world map has always been glorified hallway. You can't go from Midgar to Nibelheim in FF7 the second you step to worldmap. Instead you need to first go to Kalm. You can go to Chocobo farm before that but you won't get Chocobo lure until you done Kalm and sat through the flashback. Of course you can forfeit Chocobo lure and just go through the swap, survive the snake but once you reach Mithril Mine cave entrance you are told to go back to Kalm. Ok, you sat through the flashback, you got Chocobo lure from the farm, you caught chocobo and made it through Mithril Mine, now you can go Nibelheim, right? No. The next hub has Fort Condor (optional), Sleeping Man's cave (need buggy to reach) and Junon. Damn look at this "slightly less open openworld". After Junon and reaching Costa Del Sol we can certainly walk to Nibelheim, right? Well yeah, but the path there forces you to first leave Costa Del Sol for Mt. Corel. We clear the Mt Corel dungeon we reach North Corel. Only 3 rivers between us and Nibelheim, here we go! So, we need to return to North Corel to reach Gold Saucer, because the story demands we first do the story segment there. We are thrown to desert prison, we go through Barret's sad past, we face his friend we thought was dead but actually he's alive and threatens to kill Marlene so Barret 1vs1s him and Dyne kills him afterwards. Nibelheim, here we come! Oh fuck, we need to race chocobos first to get buggy, fuck it, this open world certainly demands a lot for us to get access where we want to go. Anyhow, here's our buggy! With buggy we can cross rivers (and go back to the first continet to acquire elemental rings from the sleeping man and learn Beta from the swamp snake and white wind from Zemzelett). The first river after Gold Saucer has two (2!) points of interest: a hut whose owner gives us Aerith's final limit break if we bring him mithril from the Sleeping Man's Cave and Gongaga town (optional).

>>12133205
This is exactly why video game developers shouldn't listen to adult gamers.

>>12133205
Ok, we skip the hut and Gongaga because we going for Nibelheim. We cross the next river, we enter Cosmo Canyon region and we can already see Nibelheim mountains in the horizion. We zoom there. As we are bypassing Cosmo Canyon, our buggy starts to bug, sparks fly and the buggy stops. It's broken. No crossing rivers with it no more. Our only option is to enter Cosmo Canyon, where a friendly mechanic tells us he will fix our buggy. The time of reparation is approximately "one character specific dungeon". We do RedXIII father trauma quest, we get our buggy fixed and FINALLY we can leave Cosmo Canyon, cross that river and reach Nibelheim!

And it took us only 1.5 full posts in 4Chan to do that in this "slightly less open openworld"

>>12121097 (OP)
>>12127452
Is there a mod for the PC port that locks rules for triple triad?

>>12133301
The game allows you to abolish rules and spread the rule you want to every region - but the system is kind of autistic

>>12133301
Nope. But the AI is really bad at the game and you will have better cards than the AI so you shouldn't bitch.

>>12133301
Not that I'm aware of. But...
When you challenge someone and they say the rules are different and it'll change, cancel then challenge them again. After 5-10 tries they'll only ask if you want to play without mentioning the rules, and the rules won't change.
In Balamb town in the docks parking lot there's a guy kneeling down, if you challenge him it changes the [local?] rules to just open (maybe open + diff). There are probably a few other tricks.
I'll probably continue my playthrough tonight.

>>12133079
>FFX didn't need it.
FFX specifically didn't need it, but the only reason for that is because experiencing the journey from A to Z without abstracting it really fit the theme of the pilgrimage and helped give a sense of rising tension. If it wasn't for that, it would have been much better with an overworld map.

>>12131847
Convert tents into curaga, have 6000 health.

>>12133205
By the time you reach the Gold Saucer the game has opened up plenty. Lots of side content to go see and reasons to backtrack.
You are highly autistic.

>>12133379
I don't know man, those long stretches of narrow roads bothered me then and they bother me now. FF12 is the way to do it, if you're not going to have a world map.

>>12130217
Except that's not what anyone is saying. You're an autistic retard who clearly never played FF8 as a kid

>>12133457
To this day, 12 is the only one I haven't really played. I know it's not highly popular, but I may pick it up this week

>FF8 thread nearing the bump limit
Truly the best Final Fantasy.

"Yo, Zell, I'mma 'bout to check out this [Magical Lamp], what's the thing again? Draw-cast Demi? We'll figure it out."
Check out that rod, this game has some ass-ugly cars.

>>12134025
gay ass remaster looks ugly as shit with the neglected backgrounds

>>12134028
Like I give a shit.

Confirmed for "Remaster didn't censor panty-shots."

>>12134028
Surprising they didn't try to half-assedly fix them with AI or something. Though it was kinda interesting to realize that some of the NPCs were just part of the backgrounds all this time.

>>12134034
yeah i don't give an FF8 remaster either

>>12134061
You know that meme image with apples where some see an outline and some can rotate a 3D apple in their mind?
What I see in picrel is a seaside village in France, and it's cozy as fuck. I'd gladly do an AI upscale of backgrounds, but the only one I know of requires a "donation."

Oh look, another lengthy Laguna & Friends episode!

>>12134025
>this game has some ass-ugly cars.
>>12122989

>>12133970
>>12130757
>>12126178
She perfect empresses

>>12132826
>>12132143
>>12122386
Ultimecia can mindfucked me with her long finger.
https://youtu.be/LD721J-vMac

>>12133318
>kinda autisticvery autistic more like it. I've been folloqing a guide to spread rules and it's all luck-based bs. I just want my comfy open-all rules back....

>>12134127
I love Laguna's battle theme "Man with a machinegun"

>>12134025
I cant get over how fucking awful this shitmaster looks

Just farming items and AP like a mofo at 4am. Nothing exciting to screenshot rn.

>>12134461
>what if I took the head of one model and paste it onto another model
Lame, removes her charm points.

>People are saying tent mod for curagas
Meanwhile, I'm drawing them 2/3rds through disc 1 from fighting and leveling up the enemies.

>>12134981
Ooof. First time playing?

>>12135001
I've beaten it 5-6 times.
I've done a lvl <10 run and used all the normal gimmicks. That's for suckas who want to make the game boring.
This is actually fun, if I were too slow random encounters would even kill me. Much more satisfying.

>>12135018
Aight, have fun

>>12134886
If Tifa have them bust, why can’t immortal witch?

>>12134679
The gun feels very disappointing after the great visceral feedback the gunblade gives

>>12134025
>>12134074
jfc they really should've waited for AI upres models to catch up. The contrast between the blurry backgrounds and sharp models is just too much.

>>12134981
>leveling up the enemies.
so you're playing it wrong

>>12134981
>People are saying tent mod for curagas
>Meanwhile, I'm drawing them 2/3rds through disc 1
But you can get tents and refine them in the first third of disc one. Besides, the only reason "tents -> curagas" was brought up was to point out how easy it is to become invincible if you have even the slightest cognitive ability. Adding that you can just draw curagas 2/3rds of the way into the first disc is really just fuel on the fire.

>>12133740
Sorry about your inability to follow a thread chain. Maybe try using a desktop instead of a smartphone? There might be more of a learning curve for you, but it's the better way in the end.

>>12130163
It's not "they". It was Nomura's retard decision to make a single character the love interest, since otherwise they'd have to write additional scenes for every possible choice. They were far lazier than Atlus, that managed keeping the romance while avoiding it impacting the main story. Nomura thought an ugly nibboneze girl is more "patriotic", so to say. Quistis was white hot girl coded, a situation unacceptable to Nomura which we could see in later games where he showed up his ugly head.

Squall is the hottest male protagonist and it isn't even close.

>>12133963
It's not popular, but apparently better than FF "Shamefur Dispray" IX.

>>12134127
So is it acknowledged how fucked up the junction swapping mechanic for flashbacks is in the original PS1 release? On the early discs, the game doesn't tell you which character your junctions are getting transferred to during Laguna flashbacks. This means you're going to leave a heap of your junctions behind if you don't have them on the "right" characters beforehand.

Then, somewhere on the third disc, it starts giving you junction exchange prompts before doing flashbacks, which sounds helpful, except it ONLY lets you transfer junctions and spells from Squall, as all of your other characters will be inexplicably empty on that screen, even if you had them junctioned up beforehand. They implemented a "fix" that was somehow a bigger inconvenience, lol.

>>12135449
On my last playthrough I just took pictures from the junction menu on my phone when I knew that a flasback was coming up.

>>12135018
100 lvl for the entire team
Summon the Ultima Weapon before Ultimecia and actually have fun with a few beers
Final Destination.

>>12135449
>So is it acknowledged how fucked up the junction swapping mechanic for flashbacks is in the original PS1 release?
Not really. A lot of FF8's biggest flaws are not prominent talking points, which reveals that most of the discourse around this game is just midwits screeching at midwits for not being the same brand of midwit.

>>12135449
this is what made me drop the game originally, desu. I understood the junction system just fine and was even getting into it, but then every time there was a dream sequence or the game shuffled my party, I had to go back into the ugliest gray menus ever just to move words and numbers around again so I could actually do damage. If the characters or story had been better, I might have tolerated it, but after the umpteenth time, I just decided to play something else.

>>12135469
Ultima Weapon really should've had something like 300 000 hp at least.

>>12135449
This still pisses me off every playthrough. They did the same thing in Wutai so it was probably deliberate this time around except they didn't bother coming up with a proper excuse.

>>12135448
IX is weak compared to the best FF but still a great game. XII is just a straight up bad game and killed the series.

>>12135497
you know theres an option to switch everything junctioned to a character to someone else with one button right

>>12135579
*XIII

>>12135584
Dont bother, 8 haters are barely literate as it is

>>12135584
Yes, but the original game removes all of your junctions at certain intervals, making the "one button" swap feature useless in the circumstances I'm talking about. You can't swap everything junctioned to a character if it's no longer junctioned.

Also, starting on disc 3, the Laguna sequences start prompting you to swap junctions, but bafflingly only makes Squall's available. Which again makes the "one button" swap useless, because the other characters' GFs and spells are effectively inaccessible.

I'm not sure if any of this is true in later releases or remasters. I'm talking about the original, black label, North American, PS1 disc.

>>12135410
>Besides, the only reason "tents -> curagas" was brought up was to point out how easy it is to become invincible if you have even the slightest cognitive ability. Adding that you can just draw curagas 2/3rds of the way into the first disc is really just fuel on the fire.
When you do the tend modding, you become an unstoppable force because the enemies are still lvl 5 or whatever.
When you get it from battling, the enemies are lvl 30+ to be able to draw curagas and it's no longer OP.
It's a significant difference.
At enemy lvls 20 and 30 enemies get different spells you can draw but also get new abilities.
For example, Grendels I was fighting last night (>>12134860):
- <20 they just hit you.
- 20-30 they can turn a character into a ball and smash them.
- 30+ they can turn the middle character into a ball and smack your whole team with it. This one ability from a random mob was doing over half hp of one of my characters in one shot despite having tons of magic and GF abilities.
If you actually play the game like a normal RPG it's much more fun. You play games for fun, not to prove to your mommy in your imagination that you're so smart, right?

>>12136023
>Grendels
My bad, Wendigos. Still a lil hungover.

>>12135410
You sound mad

>>12121357
>*some time later in the next disc*
>guys, using GFs gives us amnesia, just an FYI if you forgot
>but let's keep using it anyway

>>12121357
>me, sipping from a tallboy and pondering having another smoke later
Yeah that's nuts, man.

>>12136636
What did I say about GFs? Uhhh, whatever, we're gonna need them to prepare for what's to come.

>>12136636
FF5 had you gain jobs from broken crystals' shrads, FF6 had you learn magic from crystallized espers, FF7 had you use magic and skills from crystallized mako/lifestream, FF8 had you use magic and skills from guardian forces that take residence in your brain's memory space, in FF9 the eidolons' were extracted from the summoner to jewels to use them, FF10 had aeons born from dreaming fayths. There was always something bad/unethical for you to utilize the summons or magic. Both in FF7 and FF8 characters admit it's not optimal but they need to keep using the system to have chance to win.

Well, well, look where we find ourselves today!

>>12137467
The remake really is jarring.

>>12121170
truth nvke

>>12137493
I've heard it a million times before. It's the same backgrounds with upgraded models, it's not a big deal. I also have the PSX and original PC versions but I play the remaster.

>>12137467
there is no fucking way the backgrounds were this blurry on ps1

Im really annoyed theres no mod to remove squall. let me have my fucking all waifu team.

>>12137553
It was 320 x 240 on the PSX, you just couldn't notice. They lost/deleted all the assets 25 years ago so they just took the orig PC backrounds, stretched, and maybe added some blurring. I'm doing 3840x2160 (with black bars). Just turn your cynicism off, get a little intoxicated, and it looks great. Stop looking for things to complain about and just enjoy things.

>>12137607
or I could just enjoy the ps1 game in an emulator with upscaled models and a CRT shader which looks 10x better.

>>12137607
>hey should we backup all of these art assets for our mega million seller cash cow franchise
>nah dude the game is out we'll never need it again. go ahead and format the drive
gas everyone involved with SE

>>12137614
Sure man, you do you. Whatever.

>>12136023
I tried playing it like a "normal" RPG, but instead I had to junction spells to my stats in order to get stronger.

>>12136036
>has a drinking problem
Suddenly everything makes sense.

Rinoa is the worst girl in the entire franchise.

>>12137871
indisputably

>>12137503
>It's the same backgrounds with upgraded models
Exactly, and somehow modding the original OC release manages to make the difference not stand out as much. The demaster is buttfuck ugly.

>>12137617
You say that as if it wasn't common practice across the industry at the time. Same way the Resident Evil prerendered backgrounds weren't archived either. Nobody was thinking about preservation or about screens being bigger two decades later, they were thinking about how the project was finished and they needed the hard drive space for new things.

>>12121170
You're not smart nor interesting for pretending to like the most hated entry in a franchise.

>>12137897
>the most hated entry in a franchise
Your schizo mind isn't reality. Especially when games like FF2 or every FF released after 2001 exist

>500 posts on one of the slowest boards
FF8 bros we cannot stop winning

>>12137871
Vanille coming through.

>>12137903
I'll never understand the hate towards 2. I thought it was okay.

>>12138191
Her moans are hot

>>12137908
Women love the River Phoenix phenotype.

>>12138404
Don't compare Leon FUCKING Kennedy to a crybaby cockmongler Squall, the man from Whatever land. Seifer forced him many times to suck him off.

>>12138196
try to imagine what it would be like to play the OG famicom version completely blind and you'll understand