it's a carnal desire. I need to fuck him so bad

>>3790867 (OP)
I'm already extremely sick of you D*ltarune fags shitting up every single last place you get driven off to. Can't you retards fuck off to >>>/vg/ already?

>>3790893
go back to your AAA trough you faggot

>>3790893
FPBP

>>3790867 (OP)
I am the philosopher, amen. I bring you some questions to ponder and discuss.
>Who was behind the curtain in the S-rank room in Chapter 3?
>Why do the Titan Spawn look similar to the Memoryhead Amalgamates when you damage them?
>What does "And last, was the girl. At last, was the girl" mean?
>What was the flying ace with the binoculars in Mancountry looking at that scared it?
>Does the game keep track if you keep skipping the ralsei "imagine what susie's doing" moments?

>>3794248
>Who was behind the curtain in the S-rank room in Chapter 3?
The cactus that loves you.
>What was the flying ace with the binoculars in Mancountry looking at that scared it?
I fuckin SWEAR I saw someone post a screencap from a Mother area that looked identical to it, I just can't find it.
>Does the game keep track if you keep skipping the ralsei "imagine what susie's doing" moments?
Haven't seen the documentation for chapter 3/4 yet so I can't say, but I know the game was tracking what you had Susie say to Noelle in chapter 2 so probably.

>>3794248
>>What does "And last, was the girl. At last, was the girl" mean?
Susie is the girl, and is both the second hero in that she's the second main character we see, and "at last" in that she was the last one to properly join up.

>>3790893
The ones that did move to /vg/ are degenerate fags, and likely the same ones making this shitty ass OP to try and make us seem worse. Blame the Janny for preserving the threads by making actual fans feel spite.
We will continue to respect the speed of this board though

>>3794248
>>Does the game keep track if you keep skipping the ralsei "imagine what susie's doing" moments?
Nope.

not an RPG

>>3795057
>playing mediocre JRPGS
>J"RPG"S
uh huh

>>3795057
Shadow Hearts is awesome though

Now that we know almost for certain that Sans is from Deltarune, what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>3795153
>gaster really fucked me over

>Kris is the only party member who can't use magic and instead can CHECK enemies
>Kris is the Jeff of the party

>>3795176
Does that mean Gaster is Kris's real dad and we're going to fight his intrusive gay thoughts before he calls us faggots in the finale?

>>3795182
people have been saying that since the first deltarune = halloween hack connections were made back in the chapter 1 days

>>3795153
That he and Alphys were monitoring Flowey and (you)r messing with the timeline. We don't have a reason to think he's not talking about UT's universe here.
The more interesting line is where he says.
>i know your type. you're, uh, very determined, aren't you?
>you'll never give up, even if there's, uh... absolutely NO benefit to persevering whatsoever.
>if i can make that clear. no matter what, you'll just keep going. not out of any desire for good or evil...
>but just because you think you can. and because you "can"...
>... you "have to."
This dialogue has to make sense regardless of if the route we complete is Snowgrave, Aborted, or normal. There's also a parallel drawn here between Flowey who's also a time-space anomaly and the player. It's no too shocking that there's probably going to be a Flowey-like character in DR since is a parallel story, but I think this is a bit more evidence for it.
If I had to guess, he's talking about whoever is the second voice in the intro. So either Kris or Dess

>>3795176
That would make Susie Ness, and therefore the 3rd Ness in Deltarune after Sans and Dess.

>>3795197
>This dialogue has to make sense regardless of if the route we complete is Snowgrave, Aborted, or normal
I disagree, I think Sans getting dunked on by the player even in one of the routes would be enough. He could be fine in the other routes, but the mere existence of a timeline to me implies that Undertale Sans is simply the result of one timeline as opposed to him being fated to be chuckedd away no matter what.

>>3795207
I would agree with you, but with how insistent Toby is on Deltarune not following any one of Undertale's endings I think the same holds true for DR.

Has it ever been clarified in the lore why our SOUL taking damage = our party members taking damage and why we're the one dodging when Susie gets into fights on her own?
The simple obvious answer is that it's just to integrate the bullet hell mechanic into a party system, but at the same time, "simple gameplay mechanic is actually lore relevant" is kind of Toby's whole M.O so I don't really want to brush it off.

>>3795225
To be fair, not every game mechanic was explained out in Undertale. Some stuff, like, turn-based combat, is just accepted in-universe.

What a great day, almost no janny activity on /v/ and new theory was invented. Sans is a drug dealer.

>>3795153
I am telling you guys, there's still more to Sans than we think.

Oh, and another interesting thing. I've had this theory that Ralsei will become a real boy using (You)r soul, and Spamton NEO fight was a foreshadowing for that. Well, someone pointed out he has a heart-shaped slot on his chest.

How's the Mizzle ACT joke translated in the japanese version? (The joke being that everything ends with -zzle)

>>3795237
-zzle translates to "zuru" so all the ACTs end in either "zuru" or "suru" which works perfectly well because "-ru" is the general verb suffix and "-suru" is the "to do" verb suffix.

>>3795153
It still works on the context of UT as Sans is familiar with Alphys and is correlated to the previous royal scientist. So he is just aware of our time shenanigans because he is a scientist of sorts(?)

>>3795267
It's most likely Flowey's time shenanigans instead of ours
Remember, even though it's extremely unlikely and blatantly not the intended way to first play the game, it's entirely possible to play Genocide on your first playthrough without resetting or reloading at any point. And he still says the same thing there

Deltatroon thread -> Instant hide

I don't dislike the series but you people don't need to soil /vrpg/ with your degen discussion.

This series is also not really a RPG, more like a compilation of memes

Because this is /vrpg/ I can say this without getting banned:
I'm fine if you like CRTs as a weird hobby to make you look like 1337 hackerman, but I grew up with them and they suck so much. The screeching noise, the static feeling, the crying if you play for more than an hour. The dogshit blurriness and low resolution. Look, if you want to blur some pixelated shit just rub vaseline on the lens or get a little intoxicated. I was SO glad to see LCDs start taking over in the '00s. There's my dissenting opinion.

>>3795284
Do /v/ jannies actually ban people for saying CRTs suck? Lmfao christ

>>3795233
It would be pretty cool, but I feel like Noelle and Susie already take up a lot of that narrative space, and whatever is going to happen with the Dark Worlds I think it'll be a lot more total.
Something like the Light and Dark Worlds merging without the Roaring occurring and that somehow making a world where Light and Dark can live side by side.

>>3795290
/vr/ does, I've never gone to /v/, too many young'ns. /vr/ bans you for the weirdest stuff. Sometimes completely on-topic inoffensive opinions, if you watch the archive something like 1/3 of all posts get trashcanned by the jannies, it's very strange for a board full of 30-50 year olds who can handle a dissenting opinion now and then. I know this isn't a crt thread but I had to let my opinion out somewhere.

>>3795293
They're just addicted to the radioactive glow feeling they get from pressing their face up against as CRT as they make out with it.
Happens to the best of us.

>>3795293
/vr/ still has a hard limit of pre-2000's stuff, right? Because honestly, at this point I'd consider games from 2005 to be retro. That was 20 years ago.

>>3795284
Sounds like you're just a whiny bitch. I loved CRTs in the 2000s. LCDs back then looked like ass, and I never had a problem looking at screens for a long time. Up until the very last period of my life where I still watched TV, I watched a CRT in my room.
I'm not a huge CRT fanatic or anything, but I was never bothered by any of the stuff you mentioned.

>>3795294
I LOVE TV!

>>3795307
>/vr/ still has a hard limit of pre-2000's stuff, right?
What's actually enforced seems to change by the hour but my best explanation is "games before 2005, and any game made for consoles 2004 and earlier. So technically a 2009 game for a 2003 console is /vr/, but you never know, it just takes a few autists to report you and the mods are trigger happy.

what do you guys make of this?

>>3795293
>too many young'ns
while posting in a deltatroon/troondertale topic, a series for infants

>>3795454
you cant just attach "troon" to something you want to shame.
watch,
>god did you hear that anon breaths troonygen
>wow, i never thought he was a tranny
>yeah. he drinks watroon too!

>>3795458
who cares? you can still use these made up words and anyone will still understand.
context matters. don't out-ESL me

>>3795462
I'm >>3795293 and I have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about. Undertale? Dude, I stopped buying new games in the mid 00s.

>>3795462
>context matters
correct, and all the fag shit in UT/DR is played out as caricature stuff
>the lesbo relationship has an "ultraviolent girl" and "too shy and meek to say no", will result realistically result in abuse the second you take away the veil of the game.
>bromance joke played straight
>the "tranny lion" that people like to post as a gotcha specifically has a mane. which female lions do not have. its the typical "masculine male in drag" gag
not like you care though, troonymous. you just want to shitpost

>>3795307
>/vr/ still has a hard limit of pre-2000's stuff, right?
Sadly no, they changed that in 2020 so everything up through 2007 is allowed. I stopped using /vr/ when that happened, I will not share a 'retro' board with Halobabbies

>>3795470
>I stopped using /vr/ when that happened, I will not share a 'retro' board with Halobabbies
Honestly, good for you.

>>3795379
Nothing.

Aww sweet, it's another episode of "Janny sees two Deltarune thread on catalog and deletes the one with 100 posts instead of the one with 9 posts"

>>3795470
In my eyes, older than 20 years = retro. Unless you want to define "retro" as a specific period of time.

>>3790867 (OP)
The sad TV is for hugs, not for fugs.

>>3795466
Well at least you succeeded derailing this thread into the degenerate game thread. Thank you.

>>3795467
I don't shitpost, I'm just telling you UT/DT fags to go back to /v/
Your series is a meme without any substance to it, nor anything fun
Just "muh references" and quirky characters
Perfect match for /v/

>>3795600
look man we dont want to be here either but there's a janny hellbent on trying to kick UT/DR off of /v/ and we need a place to bunker down whenever that happens.
>Your series is a meme without any substance to it, nor anything fun
>Just "muh references" and quirky characters
... are we thinking of the same games?

>>3795605
You're too deep into it that's why you don't understand

>>3795609
you thinking that both games are composed entirely of MUH REFERENCES is why i think you dont know what you're talking about.
where exactly did you get that idea from?

>>3795610
OP's pic itself is already a reference, how are you this dense to ignore obvious referential humor omnipresent in the Toby Fox's games?
Not just that, but the quirkiness and overuse of 4th wall breaking is detestable as well.

>>3795599
I apologize sincerely. I was... a little drunk at the time. More so now but never mind that, resume normal thread functions. orz.

>>3795623
>OP's pic itself is already a reference
it is a pose.
unless you're yet another retard trying to say "THE TV DINNER INVENTED OBJECT HEADS!!!"
>overuse of 4th wall breaking is detestable as well.
its not overused, and if you're not actively looking for it you wont notice any of the 4th wall breaking stuff.
everything you know about the game is secondhand knowledge from people that hate it. i beg of you to learn about the game for yourself.

I think I cracked the code. Have you noticed how Undertale threads never get jannied but Deltarune threads do?

>>3795831
It's funny janny is an Undertale elitist.

>>3795831
I'd rather not have any threads than to explicitly invite undertale discussion there

>>3795837
There's already a bunch of Undertale discussions in the threads, tard.

>>3795842
Not what I said, and it's often cancer too.

>>3795844
Not worser than pronoun shit and Suselle whining.

Welp, now a good time to test this new theory.

people talk about undertale in deltarune threads and talk about deltarune in undertale threads. Both are connected.
I really don't understand why mods think this is a game that belongs in /vg/. It's a very, very popular and influential single player game with not much to really keep you playing, generals are best fit for games with lots of replayability, updating content.

>>3795855
If the threads were ALL just porn dumps and the same few ragebait topics on repeat I could understand wanting to shitcan it to /vg/ but there's still worthwhile discussion being had.
Not like that matters to the assmad janny though because he literally started doing this in like a week after it came out.

>>3795857
it's going to be a month in and discussion is still going strong. There are shipperfags, yeah, but at the very least they talk about the game and how they expect it to handle the relationships, which at this point are becoming an inescapable aspect of the story.

Either way, it's completely and totally arbitrary if recurring threads get nuked and sent to /vg/ or not. It literally only depends on if the mods like the game or dislike it.

Stealth thread time?

>>3795860
>Sokka, sneak attacks don't work if you yell them out loud.

>>3795855
Yeah, I still see good content discussed.

Funny how he doesn't realize that if they had just properly moderated /vg/'s Underrune thread over the years instead of letting it devolve into an unsalvageable avatarfag mental asylum shithouse, people wouldn't even be as resistant to go to it as they are.

>>3795866
>Funny how he doesn't realize that if they had just properly moderated /vg/ over the years instead of letting it devolve into an unsalvageable avatarfag mental asylum shithouse, people wouldn't even be as resistant to go to it as they are.
ftfy

>>3795866
In the just world, that particular janny would be sent to moderate /utg/ exclusively.

>>3795866
there's just no reason to shove people into a general. You cannot claim FOTM because deltarune has been around since 2018. People still have regular threads about games like stardew valley, mother 3, cave story threads, I'm not even mentioning nintendo. Sure, they don't have consecutive threads, but deltarune has them both because of the popularity of Undertale (Deltarune is still plenty popular too, though not as much) and because we finally have new content, and they didn't even give us a week before trying to send us to the chopping block.

Threads will die down eventually because people will run out of things to say, but there will still be regular UT/DR threads nonetheless because they're games that a lot of people want to talk about. It really isn't rocket science, but when weak-minded people have authority over others, they will look for any excuse to abuse their power.

/vg/ is not a solution. It never was, it never will be. Because due to the continuity of the threads, everything you could talk about in a general has already been talked to death, so people begin talking about each other, and it becomes a cluster of social hangout clubs for only the most obsessive of people who obsess over the work autistically.

>>3795878
>for only the most obsessive of people who obsess over the work autistically.
>implying the people who use threads like those for chatroom shit actually care about the work at all
lel

>>3795878
>Threads will die down eventually
Not really, we had semi-regular Deltarune threads all throughout the last WAIT, and this time we only need to wait a year at most.

>>3795878
/vg/ absolutely was a solution when sc2 and lol threads were choking the fucking life out of /v/ but it came at a heavy price

>>3795882
It happened like once a week and died with less than 100 posts, they only picked up after toby showed the release date

>>3795882
Don't forget the frequent Undertale Yellow threads back when that was popular, those lived on for a good long while solely through fanart. fanfics and news about other fangames (including that Deltarune Yellow thingymajig)

>>3795886
the UTY threads still happen weekly and still discuss fangames, but they are still being shot down every once in a while, like the current one is auto saged and will die in a few minutes

Well, I made an Undertale thread. Let's see if it stays.
>>>/v/714426653

>>3795881
Well it depends, for multiplayer games and update based games there is regular discussion of the game but for singleplayer games or games that are VERY slow to get updates (see: Deltarune, coffin of andy and leyley) the game just becomes the equivalent of an art piece in a club that people drink around but don't really talk about. That and just porn. Constant softcore porn.

>>3795888
there's already a thread for deltarune that hasn't been deleted yet. I think most people skipped it because OP used a spoilered image.

Alright, time to veer the thread back into deltarune discussion, I'll ask it here as well:

In the ending of chapter 4, when you suddenly hear Susie's talking sounds stopping the noise, is that her walking back and telling Toriel and Sans to keep it down and stop the music, or does the music just disappear because Kris stops focusing on it when hearing Susie talking to herself?

>>3795889
Constant softcore porn and subsequently people getting into ridiculously inane arguments over said softcore porn, somehow permanently associating the characters involved with their inane argument and making them impossible to post without kicking it back up
There's a reason people don't use /vg/.

>>3795893
At first I thought she went in and told them to cut that shit out, but now I think she called out directly to Kris.

>>3795889
mmm, even with muliplayer games that get constant updates you still end up with shit like thread personalities trying to recreate daytime TV soap opera plots with one another or people spending more time lashing out at one another, gooning over e-celebs and shitting on everything than actually playing the goddamn game. Just gotta look at the Fortnite or the TF2 generals for that kind of stuff.

>>3795894
yeah that's another thing, people stop discussing the game and instead start discussing their headcanons and fight over which ones are good and which ones suck.

Which to be fair, also happens in deltarune threads, specially when it comes to theories and ships, but I think there's a difference between squabbling about theories of what could happen next, to fighting about which girl has the fattest ass or is the biggest slut or whatever.

>>3795893
It's just for dramatic effect.

>>3795897
>is the biggest slut or whatever.
Ignoring the Whoriel spammer?

>>3795895
I honestly want it to be the former because it would be so sweet yet bittersweet of Susie to do.

>>3795890
Yeah, both my and that thread is dead.

>>3795902
>sweet yet bittersweet
I think I need to lay down and rest a bit.

>>3795890
>>3795903
There's another active thread already.

>>3795831
>07/04/25
what the fuck, the jannies discovered time travel?

>>3795939
Considering I've seen them deal out bans after deleting threads, it wouldn't surprise me that they'd go learn temporal warping and go back in time just so they can ban you in the past.

>>3795627
>everything you know about the game is secondhand knowledge from people that hate it. i beg of you to learn about the game for yourself.
I played and finished UT, watched a few of DT
UT was charming when it came out, but its fanbase pretended it was bigger than it was it should be
DT was disappointing since Toby didn't turn it into a full- fledged RPG but instead doubled down on the annoying humor

>>3795951
>"annoying" humor
it is a relic of the old internet that toby has somehow managed to preserve.

>>3795951
>but its fanbase pretended it was bigger than it was
Nigga, that's literally every video game ever liked or disliked.

I just want to point out that in Undertale, Asgore must have know Gaster since he was the royal Scientist, so one day Asgore would have had a shit load of documents by a scientist he doesn't remember and signed for a lab he may have forgotten about

It is possible it's the same in Deltarune, except being a cop would mean Asgore would have immedeate alarm bells about all the stuff that points to a man who not only suddenly disappeared in a small town, but HE had a connection too that he doesn't remember - it's probably why he started a schizo conspiracy board to begin with, outside of the Dess stuff: it's entirely possible the only competent scientific forensic expert he could go to for proof just up and vanished without a trace for no reason, and also would have vanished from his memory completely if he didn't have the documents

>>3795994
Iunno anon, do you know any police chiefs that try searching for missing people that don't exist?

>>3795994
>so one day Asgore would have had a shit load of documents by a scientist he doesn't remember and signed for a lab he may have forgotten about
Not necessarily, Gaster was wiped from existence so hard that barring a VERY select few sources, even uttering his name causes the universe to wipe itself. Its possible all the documents just up and vanished along with him

>>3795057
>putting a fun gameplay gimmick keeps players from focusing on the worse aspects of your JRPG
I genuinely don't see the problem here. Do you want all of your JRPGs to just be pressing buttons?

>>3795870
/vg/ sounds like it was always meant to be a mod-less garbage heap to keep the board from getting affected by autists about any particular game.
Maybe the mods should just shut down /vg/ like they did with /qa/. Just to see what would happen.

With apologies to the image limit, I'm gonna shill the gif I made in this thread as well. I've had the idea for this one ever since I saw the way Noelle slid towards Kris on the couch

>>3796008
>WR if we possessed Noelle instead of Kris here
Im not the only one who tried that right

>>3795994
Gaster being forgotten is fanon, its only directly said he was scattered across time and space. Although there is more evidence now if you assume the Forgotten Man is Gaster or a fragment of him or the character naming screen in Undertale crashing. While the device the player interfaces with in Deltarune is made by Gaster so he could just have a ban against saying his name there.
I also think Asgore's story is more realistic, not in that it doesn't have supernatural elements, but stories of people having their lives consumed by cold cases aren't rare and I can see why Toriel would divorce him over that. From her perspective Asgore and Carol are just dragging her, Rudy, and their kids back to the night December disappeared over and over again. Although she's still a bitch who's failed to help Kris with her issues, and her and Asgore probably had their problems before December went missing.

>>3796008
Good gif anon, Kris for sure came his pants after this

>>3796008
If you have some OC to post, fire away, that's what our image limit is for.

>>3795895
I don't think that's the case because it really seems like she's talking to herself before she walks away. And her muffled voice before that matches up with the sounds of sans and toriel.

>>3796024
>she's talking to herself before she walks away
There's lot of time had passed between her leaving and the final scene, I don't think she was hanging outside all that time. I imagine it went like this:
>Susie walks all the way to her apartment building
>realizes that both Kris and she will be alone all night with those dark, depressive thoughts
>comes back to Dreemurr house and yells for Kris

>>3796029
its too bad she forgot kris' room window is on the back of the house, not the front

>>3796029
why couldn't the same thing work for her telling off sans and toriel?
>goes to apartment
>realizes she should help kris
>comes back and tells sans and toriel to stop
also if she yelled for kris I think we would have heard what she was saying. you can't hear her well because her voice is muffled from being in the living room where sans and toriel are. then kris is able to hear her more clearly when he goes to the open window and listens to what she says before she leaves. and it doesn't really make sense for her to call out for kris and then just leave on her own imo.

>>3796031
Dreemur's house layout is a complete mess. But the way I see it, Kris' window should face towards the road.

>>3796033
>why couldn't the same thing work for her telling off sans and toriel?
Fair enough.

>replaced someone's role because their leader needed it
>but nobody even knows who the original one is
>people think he may not have even existed to begin with
Guys the Mikes were a fucking Gaster analogue

>>3796010
>Gaster being forgotten is fanon, its only directly said he was scattered across time and space.
True, I think Goner Kid's dialogue is where the idea came from. It's a fair conclusion tho, since only the gaster_followers ever mention gaster in-game. It cannot be simply a time thing, since gaster followers are monochrome copies of monsters that already exist. So I just read him shattering across space and time as literally him getting deleted from the present, past, and future of the world.

>>3796031
Well, it wouldn't be on the back, but probably the side if we were going to take the internal logic literally
The front door faces the south, the stairs on the bottom floor go from west to east
Then the top floor is flipped from our perspective because otherwise the stairs would be coming from the bottom of the map and not the top
But in reality it's better to not think about spatial order in a 2D pixel art game, for the inside to match the outside there'd need to be a 90 degree bend in the stairs

>>3796053
If Gaster was erased like that over every world, I think it's even more likely the Forgotten Man is him. They do have similar speaking styles and Toby tends to be consistent with those when they are given, like with Sans' font and Italian newyork accent.
I've seen people say the man, the tree, and what was behind it traumatized Kris, but in the flashback room itself Kris makes to tree to cover up his memory. So I don't think the tree was actually there, and Deltarune's the man/Gaster was probably his therapist before he was erased since that seems to be the role he's still playing for Kris now.

>>3796050
>whats wrong with you? making everyone think that the royal scientist is an egg
>i swear you people will see a someone just out of your vision and go "oh look! a mystery man"
>they may be a mystery but that doesnt make them an egg

>>3796007
>let the mental illness of /vg/ spread wild on the other /v/ boards
please no

>>3796007
/vg/ is effectively a containment board at this point.
please for the love of god leave that shitty board up

>>3790867 (OP)
Based but you should keep these kinds of posts on /vg/

>>3796007
As much as I despise going to /vg/ for anything beyond asking simple questions and leaving when I get an answer, getting rid of /vg/ would be almost as disastrous as getting rid of /pol/. Forget about /utg/'s worst posters, imagine unleashing the most deranged gachafags on the rest of the site, the /ksg/ and /ddlc/ waifufags, the nolife MMO players who treat their general like a group chat. Some of those people certainly poke their head out and peek into the other boards sometimes, but imagine popping that entire balloon and sending the whole wave out at once.
The dam never should have been built, but breaking it down would cause too much damage.

>>3796190
Strictly talking about DR/UT I think the /v/ threads are much worse.

>>3796263
I don't have to see nonstop ritualposts about "faves" and I don't have to hear from people deepthroating a shotgun and asking the thread if they should pull the trigger, so I overall prefer /v/'s autism to /vg/'s autism

>>3796264
Fair enough, I think when it comes to creative endeavors /vg/ is more open-minded but that's splitting hairs.

>>3796265
It probably is, I can't say but I'd believe it. I stick to /vrpg/ for that topic myself

>>3796263
>Ritualposting
>Tenna inflation/fat fetish pornspam
>Pornspam in general
>Nonstop avatarfagging
>Said avatarfags doing gay roleplay as Ralsei
>Believed some tasque avatarfag about being a femboy and got him to post nudes
I'll give it to you that /vg/ has actual darwfags to keep making content, but even the whiteboard/magma stuff has stopped being linked every thread, so I don't have hope of that sticking around.

>>3796263
Please don't tell me we're starting to feel elitist towards /v/ threads. It's /vr/ all over again - five minutes after it was created people there were already sneering at /v/.

>>3796257
Really cool. Minikris got what he fucking deserved

>>3796265
the only creative crap that /vg/ has to its name is a bunch of old swapslop stuff.
the /vrpg/ fangame thread has a bunch of dev anons (and signirsol)

>previous /vrpg/ DR thread was nice, let's check the new one
>134 posts
>virtually all meta garbage seething about /vg/ or the janny or threads on /v/
How about you guys shut the fuck up if you have nothing to say or talk about the game if you do

>janny apologist

>>3796281
>Ctrl-F the last thread
>"/v" - 49 matches
>"jann" - 52 matches
>"thread" - 133 matches
Yeah sure.

>>3796008
oh you made this? it's good stuff
and i do find it funny it looks like she kisses him before making him die one thousand deaths

>>3795994
It's probably like in One Piece were Kryos had a statue of himself but people just thought it was a legendary warrior because everyone forgot him because of Sugar's fruit. Asgore just thinks these documents were made by a scientist but thinks it might just be a myth.

If someone missed it - we had by far one of the worst threads, and it was 100% theory discussion, no shipfaggotry or porn spam.

>>3796263
I tried both after being fed up with the jannies, /vg/ is fucking HORRIBLE
It wasnt just tribeposting, that place is truly dogshit and much worse than I remember (on UT's release)
/v/ isn't perfect but it's no /vg/

So what do you guys think of this theory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYZnY2ppESw
In summary:
>The prophecy has happened before, with Dess, Asriel and Seam as the 3 heroes
>Asriel as the prince, Dess as the girl and Seam as the cage (using Kris' original soul)
>The shadow crystals are likely the Knight's tears
>The knight is Dess after she tried to close the fountain but her soul shattered (since she is a monster, might be what happened to Gaster too) and her souless body is now stuck in a stage between light and dark (with her consciousnesses being UNUSED), and might be what the voice on the phone tells why Kris can't enter the dark world without a soul
>Maybe the pure crystal is putting back Dess' shattered soul
Also I really like the ponytail Dess design

>>3796446
>So what do you guys think of this theory?
Sorry, I don't like it too much.

>>3796446
Why would Asriel be the prince from the dark and not Seam or an unknown Darkner?
Though I don't doubt that the prophecy could have happened before, maybe even multiple times

>>3796452
>Why would Asriel be the prince from the dark and not Seam or an unknown Darkner?
Because Toriel and Asgore and Queen and King in the Dark World.

>>3796456
But he's still not from the dark, he simply adapted to it. You can interpret the prophecy a lot of ways but I think coming to the conclusion that "The Prince from Deepest Dark" is a Lightner is a bit much

>>3796460
the prophecy doesn't say "prince from the dark", only ralsei's fake and gay version does
the actual prophecy is "THE PRINCE, ALONE IN DEEPEST DARK"

>>3796462
...okay, well he's not alone either? He's not a single child he has Kris, and his parents werent divorced yet. Everyone in town loved the kid too, unlike Kris. There's no Darkness for him to be Alone in. Alone in the LIGHT, maybe you can make that argument with the idea if you strech, but he's not alone in deepest dark by any means

>>3796463
the video touches on him being alone in the deepest darkness after dess is lost and seam fails to seal the fountain because of kris, or just dark in a mental state way

>>3796465
How the fuck can he be the prince from deepest dark of the prophecy if the events that make him so are not until after one of the other heroes said prophecy needs is gone? What kind of prophecy is this supposed to be

>>3796462
>>3796465
This sounds kinda contrived. This 'theory' is a cooler 'what if' then a theory for something that happened.
We have no reason to believe the prophecy happened before. Hell, we have more reason to believe that our three heroes are the Vessel, Noelle, and Lancer than we have for this.

>>3796462
>only ralsei's fake and gay version does
explain why ralsei's version has stuff we didn't see in chapter 4 then
we didn't see the whole prophecy in chapter 4

>>3796401
For me it's the Kris Gender War that flares up once every three threads that kills and desire to be there. Fujos wanting to fuck a TV I can just ignore. But when 80% of a thread turns into disingenuous clowns fighting a culturewar for their preferred interpretation of a deliberately ambiguous MC I just can't deal with it. /v/ has flareups too but they don't last nearly as long.

Shit just reminds me of why I generally avoid this game's community off this site. Too pushy about conforming to whatever shitty headcannon they've built up.

>>3796463
>He's not a single child he has Kris

Of course! Kris was adopted out to the Dreemurrs to keep Asriel from being eligible for the prophecy! By Jove, Holmes, call Scotland Yard, you've cracked the case!

>>3796473
Because Ralsei's version is designed to get Susie and (You) invested in it.

>>3796475
Anon, I'm sorry but your theory just sucks ass

>>3796487
Why else would a monster family in a town of monsters adopt a human? Maybe Carol pulled some strings! She wanted Dess to become the Knight, but Dess couldn't do so if she became the Girl but she can't become the Girl if Asriel can't be the Prince. Plus, you know that whole saying about a man meeting his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it. It would be ironic if Carol attempting to prevent the prophecy inadvertently fulfilled it. She was so fixated on the Prince that she ignored the possibility of Kris being the Cage until it was too late.

>>3796513
>Why else would a monster family in a town of monsters adopt a human?
NTA but, literally any other reason.
>It would be ironic
Lots of scenarios can be ironic, anon

>>3796518
Really think about it: if the Dreemurrs had never adopted Kris, then Kris wouldn't be anywhere near Hometown, so they wouldn't be in any kind of position to play a part in the prophecy, would they? Without them, Susie probably gets herself killed by King, Ralsei gets killed too or captured, the Soul goes to the Vessel as intended. Shit, maybe Kris is the one who gives Jockington the idea to grow a beard!

>>3796521
True, let's go even further. If the Dreemurrs never fucked, Asriel wouldn't need to be born. Wait, hold on I'm making a connection... if Toby never made Deltarune, there would be no prophecy! So obviously he put Kris in there to replace the potential candidates. It's genius really.

>>3796523
BY JOVE HOLMES YOU'VE SOLVED IT AGAIN! IT'S THE CASE OF THE CENTURY!

>>3796524
1200+ hours of schizoposting gets you places. Take it from me, pal.

>>3796521
>Without them, Susie probably gets herself killed by King
Susie wouldn't even have went into Dark World in the first place most likely.

>>3796521
anon, saving you the typing time, i literally cannot read past like 5 sentences on your posts.

>>3796535
How is it my problem that you're illiterate?

>>3796446
I've seen multiple takes of the same idea and I still have the problem of the human cage, that and people already know the prophecy. It doesn't need to by cyclical for people to have future knowledge, the vocie in the unused code aka probably Dess already mentions having semi-prophetic dreams of being trapped in a dark world.

>>3796513
Is there a human family in town that could randomly adopt a human?
A lot of the monster families that we see in Hometown have two kids: The Holidays have Dess and Noelle, the Cattenheimers have Catti and Catty, Bratty's family... Well that looks like a full house. The other families we see live in the apartment complex, so they're either less well-off or short on space
Meanwhile, Asgore and Toriel are well known, liked, and respected in the community (at the time). Asgore was the chief of police, Toriel was a school teacher, and they only had 1 kid. The Dreemurs were the best choice to adopt an orphan kid.

>>3796477
why did he include details saying we're not the heroes at the moment then retard

>>3796263
/v/ is a garbage dump, where Toby Fox's creations rightly belongs (excl. a few of his music)

>>3796463
to be fair, wouldn't it make sense if they failed because... they got the prophecy wrong? and so by fucking up, the true prophesied heroes can now take over

>>3796598
Everyone who knows anything about prophecies knows that trying to prevent them only makes it certain that they'll happen. If an oracle tells you that your son is gonna kill you and fuck your wife, you might as well light some candles, put on some Marvin Gaye, and give the kid a gun and a pack of condoms, because otherwise it's just gonna happen the slow way.

>dislikes anime
>doesn't watch tv
>doesn't play videogames
>doesn't go outside aside from school
>doesn't have any personal belonging in his room
What the fuck does he do all day?

>>3796676
watches weird ass knife videos on youtube

>>3796676
That's an anime review anon. It's like equating liking videogames to liking to watch retarded youtubers talk about videogames.

>>3796680
>dude he made this one out of milk it's crazy

>>3796676
>>dislikes anime
That's just a (cringe) review
>doesn't watch tv
Neither does anyone anymore, anon
>doesn't play videogames
Isn't he the better gamer of the group?
>doesn't go outside aside from school
Go where tho? What the FUCK is there to do in hometown? Go to church? Watch the gay knights hold hands?
>doesn't have any personal belonging in his room
He is LITERALLY me
>What the fuck does he do all day?
Study the occult to bring about an eldritch entity to possess his body and save/doom the world and rescue some deer bitch.

>>3796676
Jerk off.

>>3796692
They don't say Kris has a gooner hand for nothing

>>3796689
>Isn't he the better gamer of the group?
Tenna notes he stopped playing games after Asriel left, I think "Gaming is not my life" is also a "Kris" choice during arcade machine scene in chapter 2.

>>3796676
Toriel doesn't seems to be surprised when he comes home in chapter 1 and immediately goes to sleep. Obviously he was tired after Dark World adventure, but if he does that a lot, it's a big symptom of chronic depression. He was going through life on autopilot for years now.

>>3796701
>I think "Gaming is not my life" is also a "Kris" choice during arcade machine scene in chapter 2.
To be fair, in the same chapter he willingly, without prompt from us, goes up to the arcade machine when it's just him and Queen when she asks to play a game just for fun. Could be possible he simply stopped playing console games, but at minimum its still a thing he enjoys doing. Heck you can argue in Chapter 3 he keeps going with SWORD route partly because of this. He does plug in the controller unprompted, and even when the game is over entirely he still picks it back up as if he wants to play more even after what he saw

It's nice to have these threads when /v/ is unusable.

>>3796712
> ...
> Kris...
> ...
> don't
> forget,
> Kris...
> ...
> you promised.

>>3796714
Yeah, yeah, I know. Reaction image.

>>3796712
You know a thread is good when it has people fighting over who's more of an oldfag/newfag while relying on recalling anonymous posts from over 10 years ago.

>saw a pink and yellow pattern on something completely, utterly unrelated to DR/UT
>thought FRIEND immediately

>>3796720
What, you see PINK and YELLOW and see a FRIEND!?

>>3796701
>Tenna notes he stopped playing games after Asriel left
Tenna says Kris's favorite thing is Pie
Ralsei says it's chocolate.
Tenna says he stopped playing games
Ralsei says he is the best at games.
Does Tenna just know Kris better or is he just talking about a younger Kris?
It would be fucking weird for Ralsei to be wrong about this shit.

>>3796724
>Tenna says Kris's favorite thing is Pie
It is, the chocolate is mostly a coping mechanism.
>Ralsei says it's chocolate.
Wait, he did?
>Tenna says he stopped playing games
>Ralsei says he is the best at games.
Those are not mutually exclusive statements, plus Ralsei was obviously encouraging him when Kris needed to play a game.

Why do people think Asgore was talking about a Shadow Crystal when he said black shard
Shadow Crystals aren't black
They're invisible, and they're just glass in the light world
Are they just people who never beat the Knight to find out it gives you a black shard that stays the same

>>3796730
those are people with low reading comprehension/no long term memory, or just never actually used the shadow crystal/checked it

>>3796730
What it means is that he's gonna have a sick ass weapon in the dark world.

>>3796731
Speaking of people with low reading comprehension, I swear I'm gonna go fucking crazy if I see another person saying Dess is trapped in the code instead of it just being flashbacks to her disappearance in a Dark World

>>3796733
this but people saying shadow crystals make you a schizo/give you knowledge

>>3796736
I think the crystals show darkners the reality of the deltarune world, the prophecy and other meta stuff, but now we know they aren't gaster's schizo seeds

>>3796730
ig the words 'shadow crystal' evokes the same image as 'black shard', I think it's a fair thing to forget. Not that it matters much other than the implication that Asgore can see smth through the thing he has, which honestly would be kinda cool.
>>3796725
>It is, the chocolate is mostly a coping mechanism.
What makes you say that?
>Wait, he did?
When you use the 'Ancient Sweet' item on Ralsei, which is chocolate cone, he says 'Oh Kris, it's your favorite...' which, fair enough, it heals Kris 400 HP.
During the Quiz, when it asks for Kris's fav food, both him and Susie will choose chocolate and will have dialogue guessing that. Hell, Susie even says 'Chocolate. Duh.'
I'm sure there is another example that makes me think this (unless I'm just getting Chara lore confused), since I also instantly clicked chocolate when that question came up.
>Those are not mutually exclusive statements, plus Ralsei was obviously encouraging him when Kris needed to play a game.
True. I guess Kris could be good at games but not play them anymore.

>>3796739
>Not that it matters much other than the implication that Asgore can see smth through the thing he has, which honestly would be kinda cool.
To be honest I think Asgore having a shadow crystal is STILL possible, despite the obvious separation between the crystal and the shard
Asgore having a Black Shard could potentially imply he fought the Knight and chipped her sword, and when Susie chips the Knight's sword it drops a shadow crystal in the same spot
We don't know exactly why a crystal fell there in our case, so maybe Asgore could've gotten one the same way Susie did?

>>3796740
(And just to clarify in case this gets misunderstood like the post I made about the Justice Axe, I mean the possibility Asgore has BOTH a black shard and a shadow crystal, not that the shard is the crystal.)

>>3796740
If Asgore is the main boss it'd at least be an interesting subversion for this single ShadowCrystal to be the only mandatory one.

>>3796738
completely fucking wrong and you'd know if you actually paid attention (assuming you even played the game)
this what makes me so fucking mad, people reading something online at taking it for granted because they're either retarded and or can't remember details
next you're going to tell me Spamton got his knowledge from the shadow crystal he had for a grand total of 30 seconds before trying to kill Kris

>>3796741
>And just to clarify in case this gets misunderstood like the post I made about the Justice Axe
Lmao.
>>3796742
Yeah it seems the Shadow Crystals are each very differently given, Jevil and Spamton were given it. Ramb never got his, so we took it straight from the knight. Gerson was also given it but never bothered using it. Maybe Asgore's twist will be that he took it by force like we did.

>>3796742
Toby shifted up the assumed chapter formula and "rules" so much with 3 and 4 that I wouldn't even be too surprised to see a Lightner filling the role of Dark World Ruler and Shadow Crystal Boss at the same time

>>3796744
>>3796743
right I remember now, spamton's was inside the NEO body
it really makes everything weird when the crystals are either given, found or seemingly never used

>>3796724
>>3796739
Kris literally coughs the answer for you. It's pie.

>>3796741
As the first person who had replied to your post about the axe, I only mentioned the "terrible" part to bolster my theory about the letter being the "terrible weapon"
funny how nobody noticed my first line lmao

>>3795955
Humor is fine, but I think it's too much when any serious or heartfelt moments is turned into a meme. And that's this series in a nutshell
>>3795973
Nope, UT/DT fans are wayyy worse just because they have lots of traction coming from streamers in the past which is rare for a pixel "RPG"

>>3796744
Important distinction to be made
>Jevil had the ShadowCrystal on him
>Seam says Spamton found the ShadowCrystal in the old machine
Gerson makes it sound like someone gave it to him to be used, which could be true, but in that case I think The Knight having one might be a red herring. People say The Knight had to have pur one in Gerson's desk, but he says that The Knight basically sped by him with no regard. It makes me think there's another party planting them or giving them away to useful parties.
My only guess can be FRIEND since we see specifically see them prowling around in the two chapters where the secret bosses didn't initially have the Crystals when we first met them. They technically appear in Chapter 3 during Ralsei's Darkness explanation, and as support enemies in thr ERAM fight, but those aren't real instances of you encountering them.

>The Chapter 2 shadow crystal showed up in the NEO body (a drawing)
>Seam immediately wonders if the machine was important to a Lightner, implying that's why the crystal was there
Could Jevil's crystal maybe have come from Alvin's drawing left in the unused classroom?

>>3796756
This implies The Knight and Gerson are drawings too, it's kind of weak. Hwoever the FRIEND theory still somewhat holds up if we take its appearance in Ralsei's explanation as an example of its color motif, since Jevil shares the same palette of that scene as shown here >>3795379

>>3796752
>>3796756
It's entirely possible that the Shadow Crystals themselves represent the hopes and dreams of Lightners. Like a tiny crystallized pinch of Determination.

>>3796757
>This implies The Knight and Gerson are drawings too
I don't think it does, my idea was just that the Shadow Crystals (not the bosses who find them) originate from things with lots of importance to Lightners, one of the confirmed sources being a drawing

>>3796739
>What makes you say that?
Chocolate is believed to have antidepressant properties.
>When you use the 'Ancient Sweet' item on Ralsei, which is chocolate cone, he says 'Oh Kris, it's your favorite...' which, fair enough, it heals Kris 400 HP.
The only way to obtain it is from the pocket of Asriel's jacket. Connect the dots.
>Hell, Susie even says 'Chocolate. Duh.'
Susie had known him for two days, she's not exactly Kris expert. She just noticed that he prefers chocolate in chapter 1.

I wonder if Toby feels obligated at all to mention Asgore's favorite cowboy puppet show in Ch5 because of the Woody shit lmao

>>3796767
ch 3 was in development for 3 years and the 3rd board was almost complete before being cut, so I think that was intended to be there all along
wish toby had at least added the 3rd board as an optional thing since it is almost fully done

>>3796757
>This implies The Knight and Gerson are drawings too, it's kind of weak.
Knight maybe, but it was pointed out that Gerson's photo was in his dust bowl.

>>3796768
>wish toby had at least added the 3rd board as an optional thing since it is almost fully done
Since chapter 3 already changes on replays (you can get a fifth key on the first board to make S-rank easier), he could've added an option to actually play it.

>>3796759
I actually really like that, then the Knight would basically be wearing an armor made of their own resolve and refusal to die.

>>3796764
>Susie had known him for two days
Shit, I fucked up here. What I meant to say is that she was only close to him for two days. I don't think she paid close attention to his food preferences when she was bullying him. Probably would've assumed that his favorite food is apples.

Speaking of food and chapter 1, I just realized something. Kris obviously disliked Hearts Donuts because they reminded him of (You), and we assumed that Susie likes them because she can pretend they're real hearts, but what if it's another foreshadowing that (You) will get to control her?

>>3796773
>Kris forces Noelle to share the Choco Diamond
>If the red thing after Chapter 4 Snowgrave is really a piece of our soul, he might be "sharing" our control with her when it grows later
I'm definitely looking too deep into this.

>>3796774
>Kris forces Noelle to share the Choco Diamond
I assumed he was just making puppy eyes at her, would be on-brand for him. It's also funny how she has several food items she shares with Kris (he takes two thirds of Clubs sandwich instead of one third, and she gives him the last drop of Scarlixir according to code).

I should replay Chapter 1 honestly
No idea when my last full playthrough was, since the last time I booted it up was to go back on my complete file and grab Starwalker before I replayed Chapter 2 to prepare my saves for 3

Do you think we're learning what the final prophecy was in Chapter 5 or is Toby gonna edge us until like 2028?

I'm just going to leave this here
https://youtu.be/5fwwBrBkMwo

>cat
>pink and yellow color scheme
If this motherfucker is actually involved in the FRIEND rabbit hole I swear

>>3796857
It's not hard to deduce what it is.
Susue will have to sacrifice herself.

>>3796884
That's not guaranteed. Susie might have to kill someone else, most likely Noelle if so

>>3796887
1. The prophecy stays the same even on Snowgrave route where she doesn't form the connection.
2. The whole self-development of Susie is built around her finally finding a place where she can truly live. Her violent reaction suggests that this will be all for naught, as her reactions towards the idea of other's deaths was either dismissal or determination up to that point.

>>3796887
>Susie might have to kill someone else, most likely Noelle if so
How would that even work? Aside from Jockington, Prophecy does not namedrops anyone. Susie mistakenly assumed she is the Girl, in reality it was most likely supposed to be Noelle and Susie blundered into Prophecy by a complete accident orchestrated by Gaster and his followers.

>>3790867 (OP)

>>3795225
In an abstract sense, I consider the Soul the "Tank" of the party.
We are in control of avoiding danger, and our party suffers the consequences of our failures. When we get hit and they take damage, that is due to our poor guidance leading them into danger, or us failing to prevent an attack nigh guaranteed to hit them

>>3796876
mew mew will never be a real cat

>>3796876
Mad Mew Mew is the secret boss of Snowdin, so...

>>3796976

>>3796764
>Connect the dots.
Sorry you'll have to do it for me. What does Asriel's jacket having chocolate have to do with Ralsei saying it is Kris's favorite?

>>3796993

>he's at it again

>>3796997
The threads were already slow, and now the janny is going to kill them for good.

>>3796995
Ah, so that's your point. Alright then.
Shame the dark chocolate doesn't turn into an item in the dark world, I wish I could tell how much it heals us.

>>3796997
>>3796998
He also seems to have sicced certain undesirables on the threads again.

>>3796998
Fuck I don't want to back to /utg/, just checked and it's still an unusable shithole

>>3796997
Please understand, there was an Undertale thread with three posts in it in catalog already.

>>3796922
It could be something like
>Sacrifice the girl's love
>Picture of vague silhouette stabbing another silhouette.
It's vague and short enough to where it can fit most scenarios and be something Susie might react that badly to. Her entire dark world has the ominous repetition of girl and her love, Ralsei acts off when Susie asks if she does anything in the prophecy. The wording also could fit if Noelle was the second hero, and like how the angle in Undertale is route dependent the sacrificed victim here could be route dependent.

>>3797016
I really don't want to start this conversation in this nice thread, but I really don't think Susie will assume it's Noelle if this is the case.

>>3797026
She doesn't have to assume its Noelle, just that somebody she cares about is going to die.
Although personally I prefer some type of grand sacrifice of cataclysm, Spamton and Jevil reacted quite badly to being given future knowledge but unlike Ralsei they don't have a reason to care about Susie or any potential love interest she may have.
But given the prophecy talks about both worlds being saved, the grand sacrifice that makes the most sense to me, the Darkness being banished forever, doesn't really make sense since the Darkworlds also have to be saved.

>>3797030
There is a good chance that Noelle was supposed to be the original Girl in the Prophecy, and Kris and Ralsei both really want to keep distance between Noelle and Kris for some reason, so it's either Girl killing the Soul, or vice versa. It is also obvious that there will be a huge confrontation between Kris and Susie in the future. I think the idea is that Susie is supposed to kill Kris, and we're here to prevent this.

>>3796876
ALL the ghosts will be important in the end
you'll see...

>>3797032
Yeah I think that fits as well, there's also the fact that Carol seemed to be ques into what Susie's deal was even before letting her.
So she could have been collecting information on her and trying to keep Noelle away from the prophecy in any way shape or form.

>>3790893
Imagine being so obsessed you stalk every uty thread 24/7 lmao

Are there any guides on modding a battle into a game to try out specific attack sequences?
I'm thinking something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jwYQ8HvDiY
I'd like a mode with like infinite HP where I could practice a couple of attacks by the Knight (like the diagonal split). I've beaten the boss multiple times, but I want to get better at some of the attacks. I just want the mode to constantly give my just 1 attack or alternate between a list of attacks.

>>3797213
just edit your save file to give you 99999999 hp and defense

>>3797214
I thought about that, but I can do most attacks just fine, so doing an entire battle just to practice one type is too long, like 15 seconds of practice for 5 minutes. That's why I'd like to be hit by the same attack over and over until I actually learn it.

>>3796995
>The whole reason Kris is vulnerable to manipulation by the knight is because Asriel is away.
Assuming this is you, who do you believe the Knight to be?
I'm not sure if you intended it this way, but I actually think it becomes especially fitting if Dess is the Knight. Getting big brother back might be impossible, but big sister is right there. The family will be back together again: all Kris has to do is trust in the plan. This also works with the interpretation that Carol is the voice on the phone, in that both her and Kris want the same thing.

>>3797030
>the grand sacrifice that makes the most sense to me, the Darkness being banished forever, doesn't really make sense since the Darkworlds also have to be saved.
Most Darkners seem to be fine with being objects in the Light World so long as they can fulfill their purpose in "serving the Lightners" (ie. being useful to them). I think they'd prefer no more fountains over being permanently turned to stone.

>>3797257
>Assuming this is you
Nope, just a good list I saved
>who do you believe the Knight to be?
I mean, /v/ was really awful about this topic lately, but 99% it's Dess and 1% Toby accidentally lobotomized himself with a pencil so he's going to pull some retarded twist just for the sake of it. Voice on the phone - now that's a good question, I initially assumed it's Carol but I'm not so sure anymore.

>>3796008
I'm posting the fixed version of this gif here, for anyone who wants it.
As I was making the original gif, I was so hyper-focused on Kris and Noelle that I wholesale didn't notice that the Noelle's room sprite doesn't include most of the furniture. I made the joke in another thread that, as a result of my fuckup, the canonical motive for the Raging Angel was that Kris pranked Noelle by gluing all her furniture to the ceiling. As I was fixing the gif, I also noticed Kris must have taken the time to remove her vent, spackle it shut, and paint over where it used to be. Tricksy little apple gremlin is truly dedicated to the art of the prank.
Anywho, Noelle now has all her proper furnishings and airflow is restored to normal. The kiss/hearts/blush edit is still forthcoming, I just wanted to get the original right first.

>>3797273
Good job anon! I like it!

>>3797260
I feel like shit like FNAF warped the fuck out of people's expectations for how a mystery story should be written.
People go into things assuming there'll be some huge random left-field twist that serves no narrative purpose beyond sheer shock value, and that NOTHING told to you in a story can EVER be true or straightforward unless it's told to you in the last 2 minutes of it.
Foreshadowing doesn't exist, it's all red herrings. Writers don't lay out pieces for you to put together in a grand puzzle, it's all fakeout after fakeout and the pieces are there to troll you. The guy who has literally no reason to be dead was secretly dead all along. The most important mystery identity can't be the character being built up to be extremely important, it's... *spins wheel* that one bear who says "Thaaat's politics!" who's secretly been behind everything all along, because fuck you that's why.
I really wish people would stop treating Deltarune like this.

>>3797260
>Voice on the phone - now that's a good question, I initially assumed it's Carol but I'm not so sure anymore.
Who else do you think it could be? The only other person I can think of is the Knight (Dess), but I still think the whole "I'll be there shortly" thing is too big of a smoking gun to be brushed aside.

>>3797257
>Most Darkners seem to be fine with being objects in the Light World so long as they can fulfill their purpose in "serving the Lightners" (ie. being useful to them). I think they'd prefer no more fountains over being permanently turned to stone.
I know, but I find the idea of something big and dramatic, that affects all Darkners to be more appealing. In the meta-narrative Spamton and Jevil are video game characters that know they're in a video game, while in universe they realize they live in a deterministic world where they have no free will. In the meta-narrative the prophecy is the game script and in universe, it's well a prophecy, fate that can't be avoided or stopped.
It's just a personal thing, but the idea that there's a specific event, not just the knowledge of fate in general, that motivates them. Jevil knows that event that happens no matter what will wipe out the consequences for his action so he doesn't care, while spamton desperately tries to attain power that would allow him to avoid that event.

>>3797285
the issue with that is carol showing up anyway in the weird route
unless kris called her between the PROCEED scene and the bathroom crash out

>>3797289
He probably did, if you check his phone after his crashout his cleared his call logs like he does in the normal route after he calls Carol.
It's a small, easily missed detail, but its there for a reason.

>>3797273
>the canonical motive for the Raging Angel was that Kris pranked Noelle by gluing all her furniture to the ceiling
This was the kinda thing that wouldve had a good greentext made out of it in 2021 /utg/

>>3797285
I still think it’s the Knight just because the final call really fits with Don't Forget lyrics, which is clearly being sung by Dess.

>>3797285
"There" was referring to the church. It was supposed to be in the evening and they were talking about it as part of the conversation, but Susie finding the guitar moved the timetable up to try and distract her. Hence why we see the Knight right away and why Gerson says it rushed through his study just long enough to drop off the Crystal but he didn't have enough time with it to be properly influenced. It's possible the church fountain was going to be created in the evening after choir practice had ended, with the gang going through it the next day.

>>3797283
I think people are just too eager to feel smart, so if solving the mystery is too easy, it's not worth it. May be due in part to FNAF like you said, but I think it's honestly endemic of mass communication grossly accelerating the spread of ideas -> everyone is now expected to know everything, since I see this in discussions of every other form of media too

>>3797288
I still do think the idea of the last prohpecy being "sealing the Dark Worlds to save both" qualifies as big and dramatic. It still does affect all Darkners, and even though most are likely resigned to their fate like Ralsei (whose whole character arc is about finding new meaning in life, by the way), there are notable exceptions like Spamton and King. Hell, Susie, arguably the main protagonist, completely loathes the idea. These outliers are what drive the moral dilemma and desire to change fate by finding another solution

>>3797289
(I haven't played weird route chapters 3-4 yet)
I've heard this before, but I honestly think it may be a determinism thing, where Carol is fated to go home early either way since our choices don't matter or whatever.

>>3797292
And Asgore could've easily been the one who was calling Carol in the bathroom

>>3797292
It could always be a group call, Carol, Kris, and The Knight on the phone at the same time. It would explain why Kris is refereed to in the third person and the Knight making the Dark Fountain right away could be its response to learning Susie almost got the code.
Carol comes in to kick her out, while the Knight goes right ahead to make the next DW ahead of schedule.

Why would Kris even nuke all his phone contacts if it's just one person he was talking to?

>>3797307
Actually nevermind I just thought of a reason
Could be that he doesn't want you to call Toriel and find out she's at home so you don't have to go in the church world

>>3797307
>>3797311
Does he nuke his phone contacts? That's a cool detail. I was messing around with the phone at the beginning of the chapter, but I didn't even think of calling home after visiting Noelle.

Make 'em, post 'em.

>>3797327
maybe not in this thread? It'll eat up the image count and we're only just 270 messages in.

>>3797283
Yeah, it's really annoying. Dess is only really obvious to the people deep in the fandom or theorizing, to a common player she would be this girl who's dead/missing and has been set up a bit but is mostly mysterious. Toby also doesn't go for those type of twists that are born from writing a story by the seat of your pants, in Undertale the only real twists I can think of are Asriel/Flowey, Asgore = King, and needing a Boss Monster soul to cross the barrier. Asriel offers a more indepth explanation for why things happened, Asgore = King is an obvious twist that's meant to make you get interested in Asgore as a character since there seems to be two diametrically opposed sides to him, and needing a Boss Monster soul raises the stakes.
I think the reveals that will happen will generally fall into those three categories, they explain events, make us see a new side of a character, or raise the stakes. Additionally, by analyzing the roles characters play in the narrative I think it's pretty easy to figure out who these reveals will center around.
Namely our trio of antagonists The Knight/Dess, Carol, and Kris.

>>3797335
Fair enough, I'll keep the bingoposting for the /v/ threads.

>>3797273
>The kiss/hearts/blush edit is still forthcoming
Sweet.
i had to recreate this image because i couldnt find the original

>>3797337
plus dess has been something slowly building up even to the casual player, with her becoming more relevant as the story's gone on
she went from a small mention in a piece of missable dialogue, to an important part of a main character's background you had to literally walk through, to having a fucking code to the shelter hidden in her guitar in her room that a large portion of chapter 4's pre-dark world segment takes place in
her presence has been slowly increasing in the story even for the layman going through the game without any further digging, to say she'd be 'TOO obvious' is essentially saying building up to a reveal isn't a thing in stories

>>3797353
Yeah, there's also the more... Understandable end of theorizing, being Gaster schizos. If we were back in the Chapter 2 days I wouldn't have considered them as crazy since back them it seemed like we had a lot of textual evidence or build up that could be revealed to be Gaster with the person Spamton and Jevil were talking to. Now with King's post-chapter 3 dialogue and the Knight having a connection to the prophecy and Shadow Crystals, it seems like a lot of the textual evidence for Gaster has been recontextualized as being more Dess/Knight stuff.
A lot of the schizo, music theory, number 6 motif, and entry 17 things still exist but without the strong textual evidence and with Gaster not having a role in the story a lot of the Gaster stuff seems more dubious. He doesn't even fully take on Flowey's role as he's interrupted by someone else in the intro who delivers the fake out motive, and now with the new reveals it seems like both Kris or Dess could be that second voice in the intro who have taken on Flowey's role in the parallel narrative.

>>3797339
You can always link it via catbox if you're desperate

>>3797372
E. G. "Papyrus" Gaster

>>3797372
>Kris
are you suggesting kris put us into their body for some reason? only to chimp out and try to keep us from controlling them?

>>3797403
Kris is obviously participating in some kind of conspiracy, most likely against his will. Soul is playing a big role in said conspiracy, he can't enter dark worlds without it. So whether he wants it or not, he has to have the soul and keep it in the dark about the whole plan.

>>3797408
I think he can't enter dark worlds because anything "soulless" would be considered an object, and thus turned into a Darkner

>>3797403
Yeah, he's participating in a conspiracy that relies on the soul which is some philosophized thing and if Carol, Dess, and Kris are woking off knowledge from the prophecy, manipulating a central figure like the soul is probably a must. In the mera-narrative the soul probably represents something akin to the focus of the narrative, Kris literally become the protagonist by having is and like how you can't have a story without a narrative focus, you probably can't have the prophecy without the soul.
There is also the fact the only solid result of the Knight creating Dark Fountains so far is allowing the soul to seal them, and thus allowing it to grow in strength. It also seems to have some special ability and Kris' birdcage seems to indicate the possession was pre-meditated.

>>3797415
>Hey Kris I need you to host this eldritch being with ultimate knowledge of our universe and universes beyond and allow it to control both your actions and your words regardless of how you feel about it's choices
>Oh dont worry if you get sick of it just toss it in the bird cage or wedge it in the couch cushions youll be fine
How did they manage to convince him

>>3797415
>There is also the fact the only solid result of the Knight creating Dark Fountains so far is allowing the soul to seal them
Not true, we also fulfill some part of Prophecy each time we do it. Plus Dark World in chapter 2 was created with an obvious intent to drag Noelle into it, so Knight wants her to participate in the whole thing, unlike Ralsei and probably Kris.

>>3797420
>ultimate knowledge of our universe
Lol no, we know jack shit about it and our knowledge of other universes only clouds our judgement.

>>3797420
Dunno, but considering someone on his phone mentions a promise and he feels guilty about something that happened in his past, the event which is probably Dess' disappearance.
It's probably whatever that is.

>>3797423
>so Knight wants her to participate in the whole thing, unlike Ralsei and probably Kris.
I can see an argument for the Knight not wanting Ralsei to participate, but Kris is literally the Knight's personal rat/man on the inside and is being slotted into the prophecy.
The Knight 100% intends Kris to be involved.

>>3797426
No, I mean Knight wants Noelle to participate in Prophecy, but Kris and Ralsei would rather have Susie instead.

>>3797420
>eldritch being regularly astrally projects into an imaginary dimension where a great council composed of it and other eldritch beings play Whodunit? with the townsfolk and discuss the color of Noelle's underwear

>>3797426
>>3797420
When the light is running low and the shadows start to grow
And the places that you know seem like fantasy
There's a light inside your soul
That's still shining in the cold with the truth
The promise in our hearts
Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark

Okay, this thread on /v/ was epic it deserves a bit of image limit to celebrate it.

that was a kino thread
hopeGODS stay winning

574 posts, holy shit. It's like it was never autosaged at all.

>>3797463
as a wise man once said "live as a windrammer as you fuck"

I still think "Mike" being the name of the upcoming TV villain was a perfectly logical and reasonable assumption to make pre-Sweepstakes.
Spamton trailing off into "DON'T TRUST ANYTHING YOU SEE ON TV, HE'S A CRIMINAL" directly after mentioning Mike certainly implied a lot, and combined with the previous schizoboss namedropping the next primary villain, I can't really see what other conclusion there could've been back then.
I don't think I'll ever look back at it the same way everyone looks back at Kris Chara Genocide Sans Fight chapter 1 theories. It was the best answer with the info we had.

>>3797457
>>3797459
what did i miss

>>3797470
Thread got autosaged at around 400 posts, so everyone made a mad dash to hit the bump limit anyway.

>>3797470
We said "I LOVE TV" 100 times.

>>3797470
>>>/v/714633901

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHMHng7w1hQ
Absolute cinema

>>3797471
Lmao, that made the janny so mad he just force-archived a thread that hadn't hit 300 posts

>>3797645
daily H-game threads and cat porn that ain’t even pretending to be vidya related is more important

>>3797466
Spamton also said the cathode crew knew nothing about Mike. Which he was right about... wouldn't be surprised if we met another Mike, other than the realistic microphone.
He also mentioned a Daark/Star enemy and a Death/Scythe enemy, and with the knight appearing and wheat, harvesting, and fields...etc we'll probably meet Death/Scythe there.
I saw people think Death/Scythe = Jevil's, but I don't think so. Espically since Toby implied that Chaos and Order are an elemental pair.

>>3797457
>>3797459
Damn. All the good shit happens when I am sleeping.

>>3797645
>Lmao, that made the janny so mad he just force-archived
Reminder that only MODS can do this.

>>3797812
And that mod seems to have won his war against our threads.

>>3797822
It's Sunday, people are busy.
If you really want to screw a board, you can just do off-topic posting on other threads.

>>3797822
>mod deletes an active thread
>there are three threads now

It is happening again.

He'd have SLIGHTLY more of a point if he only started doing this now, but he started like a fucking week after the game came out so he'll never have a point ever

>>3797677
iirc Jevil is CHAOS/CHAOS but it's in his unused recruit info so I wouldn't take it as granted

>>3797931
Yes, you're right.

>>3797913
>>3797922
Why is he like this, bros?

>>3797934
WEAKvil the MOGGEDBYMAUSWHEEL

>>3797934
What do you guys think the two lines of "?????" in every recruit menu is gonna end up being (if it gets filled later, or if future enemies alone will have them filled up)

>>3797952
One of them might be their light world form

>>3790867 (OP)
Swear to god Ramb better be fucking okay.

>>3795057
Every rpg should do this, theyre shit without some battle gimmick.

>One thread is just politicalslop
>Other is dead.
Grim.

Is there any new interesting theory? I havent been on the loop this week

>>3798037
Hussie theory

>>3798037
No. None outside of meme theories like:>>3798037
Discussion is dying out.

>>3798016
>One thread is just politicalslop
I didn't even bother opening the thread (figured I'd just let it run it's course) but I'm genuinely thinking that a janny made it out of spite

>>3798039
Meant to link to>>3798038

>>3798038
>>3798039
Ah, I saw people datamined something about Ralsei, and that he has the gaster 6666 reference, so thought something would have come out of this, guess we will have to wait until ch5 for more development

>>3798040
negative OPs seem to be left alone most of the time, from what i've noticed

>>3798040
>>3798049
negative OPs get left alone except during the original janny meltie where even threads shitting on the game would result in instant nukes, which really says a lot about how bad that time period was

>>3798039
I guess there's only so much you can talk about for so long until practically every theory's been considered
At least the WAIT is (hopefully) guaranteed to take less than 2 years this time

>>3798042
I didn't heard about this at all.

>tomboy
>PK starstorm sprites
what if dess is not ness, but kumatora

>>3798071
kumatora's hit sound is also a guitar

I finally beat the knight and can finally start chapter 4.
Suck on my cock.

Another Asgore banger
https://youtu.be/u5NqO2v_xnY

I wonder, what would have happened if Berdly created another fountain in chapter 2? Dark fountains reflect the will of the creator, and the Titan in chapter 4 was summoned specifically because the Knight wanted to create one to sic on the Fun Gang. But Berdly had no ill intentions, so what would have happened had Ralsei not stopped him?

>>3798123
A titan would be formed anyway

>"HEY EVERY" is obviously an unfinished sentence, lacking either the word "ONE" or "BODY"
>Tenna's introduction video says "HE'S THE ONE!" and completes the unfinished looping melody
>He's literally the "ONE" missing from the sentence of "HEY EVERY"

>>3798138
stop feeding the fujos

>>3798138
>lacking either the word "ONE" or "BODY"
there's another one but i can't say it

>>3798150
...man?

>>3798110
why are there so many of these and why are they good
https://youtu.be/GQ6pJUBvOmo

people are just straight up hallucinating leitmotifs out of absolutely nothing apparently

Is Spamton the only Darkner aside from Ralsei who explicitly mentions the soul? I can't think of another, let alone one who actually COVETS it

>No threads
>Threads that are there are dead
>Thread here is dead despite that
Did the janny global ban a bunch of people or something? Am I just blind?

>>3798242
Whoever Kris talked to on the phone knows about it
>without... soul... Kris... will...

>>3798246 me
Oh right you said Darkner
I was just looking for anyone mentioning the SOUL at all

>>3798245
I was talking on the one that most recently got deleted and I'm not banned, so I'd assume he didn't ban the whole thread
Maybe people are just giving up
Cringe if so

>>3798241
>Spear/Hammer of Justice
ignoring the whole hallucinating thing, what would this even mean in their head? the knight could be anyone so hard that even the one person we've seen physically next to it outside of the fun gang could ALSO somehow be it?

>>3798319
also Vs. Susie
susie literally directly fights the knight on screen how the hell would she be it
the only motifs in that list that are actually there are The Chase (somehow listed near the bottom when it's the most obvious one) and MAYBE Lost Girl, everything else is schizophrenia

fuck you and your spamming of generals

>>3798150
>ONE
>BODY
>ONE
>NEO
>NEO BODY

>force archived again
lol

>>3798245
It's been one month. Thread have been slowing down.

>>3798319
Not to mention Toby made that twitter post about how character themes/leimotifs like lost girl appear in scenes that don't involve those characters.
It happens all the time in UT as well, spider dance rather famously has the ghost cousin theme in it and the little yellow bird has Alphys theme in it. Music connections aren't that concrete in the first place since a lot of the time Toby just wants a specific vibe.
This isn't even mentioning the fact that trying to analyze the content of a song without having a copy of it in front of you seems like a fools errand, humans rather prone to auditory hallucinations especially when they're looking for something.

>>3798413
>spider dance rather famously has the ghost cousin theme in it
I honestly just assumed that meant it was the miniboss motif that happened to be connected to the ghosts more often than not. Just like how the Lost Girl theme technically just plays in all of Noelle's house and not just in Dess' room. The connections are loose but there, it just means that sometimes it's not going to mean much beyond having A connection.

So the Mike room is the copy of Cat Petterz RPG underneath Asriel's bed.

>>3798242
Swatch and the puzzle tutorial guy reference you/the boss as a separate entity from Kris.

>>3798448
Yep. This is why some FRIENDschizos think Mike is Friend. The real one.

>>3798241
I'm surprised meglo strike back or anything Chara referenced isn't there, considering Chara = Dess = the Red Soul schizos exist.

>>3798459
That and this bit here.

>>3798459
There's also the fact that Mike still exists, according to some theorists like brixbraxium.

>>3798110
>>3798216
Lmao based

I have gone maximum schizo.

>>3798473
All of this means nothing.

>>3798462
If anyone is the Red SOUL, it would have to be Frisk because of the memories of Undertale.

>>3798487
It's a theory posed by the same people the red soul in undertale belonging to Chara. Despite that not making any sense and Chara's presence in the narration being explained by her essence lingering after she died.
Although essence lore is stupid so I get why people ignore it.
Also not to mention some other people think Knight = Kris' stand. So anything is possible in the mind of a schizo.

>>3795595
>Toriel is the one holding the beer bottle
Lmao

>>3798490
>It's a theory posed by the same people the red soul in undertale belonging to Chara.
Yeah. Chara's SOUL was shattered when Asriel died.
>Knight = Kris' stand.
Tbf this is plausible if you believe the Knight has Kris's OG SOUL.

>>3798473
this anon >>3798485 is right, but you should keep going. Schizo theories like this are fun

>No threads on /v/
>No traffic
I'm hoping people are just banned and not losing interest. Things seemed just fine until the thread sjust stopped all of a sudden.

>>3798511
There's a thread, but it is too well-disguised.

>>3798512
July 20th, anons resort to the study of esoteric knowledge in order to decipher which /v/ thread is about Deltarune

>>3798511
Look for the gamenot the memebut you lost anyway

>>3798516
All those threads are dead.
>>3798511
I am just going to do other stuff now. We had a good run.

>* You looked through the glass
>* For some strange reason, for just a brief moment...
>* You thought you saw no threads
See you in 2026

>>3798511
>No threads on /v/
they're getting deleted dumbass

>>3798520
A new thread used to be up within a few minutes. It's been an hour.

>>3798511
>Suddenly 4 threads up

>>3798518
Was hunting for this gif the other day. Thanks anon.

I think I figured it out. The final piece of prophecy is Girl killing Kris.
Kris was depressed and suicidal after Dessapearance and his family breaking apart, that's why he got roped into this plan - "If you're going to die, at least die saving the worlds"
This explains why he is so uncomfortable around Noelle - she is his future killer, after all.
This explains Snowgrave - he is supposed to condition Noelle for his own murder.
This explains why Ralsei was hoping that Prophecy will change if they switch the Girl and make her kind.
This explains Susie's reaction - she was genuinely shocked about it (she thought that Prophecy is a good thing), but she quickly found a cope - after all, there's no way in hell she would kill her best friend?

>>3798554
My assumption is it's phrased along the lines of "The Girl Must Shatter The Cage" which is something that could easily be interpreted as Susie killing Kris, but can also be fulfilled in the sense of Kris no longer needing to be the Cage and our control over him being lifted.

you jinxed it

There's still a couple more threads up at least

>>3798562
To be fair, we have two other threads. Janny always kills the most active one.

All this shit just reminds me of what happened with that webcomic, but on a lesser scale. It basically being banned just because a few mods can’t stop seething about it. And I fear that it’ll be like this until 2026 for UTDR

>8 threads up at a time
Just when I thought interest died out everyone comes roaring back kicking and screaming.

>>3798586
Does that include the hidden thread?

>>3798595
Half of them have archived now due to inactivity, but yeah.

>>3798565
If that's the case, why push the envelope further and tempt fate by making threads on /v/?

>>3798631
We NEED to make the same threads. We NEED to make the same posts. We NEED to avatarfag. We NEED to whine about avatarfags. We just NEED to WAIT.

>>3798473
>Cat Petters RPG is a ripoff of Dragon Blazers
>Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer which in turn is based on the Prophecy
How fucking long is this telephone game of prophecy lore getting reinterpreted and reinterpreted gonna keep going?

>>3798559
With the final prophecy being explicitly described as a "tragedy unveiling" I don't think it would be something nice happening like Kris being freed from us
UNLESS... it's like what Spamton NEO was foreshadowing and Kris just dies if we stop controlling him

>>3798699
That's what the eggs are for
The man behind the tree is theorized to be Kris's therapist, right? The man is looking out for Kris.
Deltarune Eggs=the Time Egg from Chrono Trigger

>>3797457
We did it again. But this time he had the bright idea of autosaging the thread at 450 posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYFlaTfuJY
new andrew KINO dropped

>>3798758
Gonna skip to the end and see if he says it's Carol and not watch if he does.

>>3798760
he says its dess at the start of the video so

>>3798763
Alright I'll watch it then

>>3798760
He says it's Dess, but Cunningham is a fraud. I don't like him.

>>3798760
>>3798763
As Islamic holy men asserted, there is no need for videos on the Knight identity. If they agree it is Dess, they are superfluous and there is no point in watching them, if they disagree it is Dess, they are wrong and should not be watched.

>>3798765
Don't worry once Jaru gets the copyright situation resolved your god will post more videos.

>>3798768
the video also covers stuff around the knight like carol, asgore and even alvin

>>3798769
I am not a Jaru fan, schizo. Not everyone who posts humans is the same person.

>>3798772
Of course you aren't, you're a totally normal avatar fag who isn't a fan of Jaru at all.
Not like its easy to confuse you with the identical poster who just so happens to ball wash Jaru instead of Andrew like this >>3798758 fag does.

>>3798773
I genuinely didn't understand anything you said, but the humanposter that glazes Jaru isn't me. At best I just say that he got vindicated. Believe this if you want.

>>3798774
Sure thing avatarfag, I can totally keep your secret.
It's safe with me ;}

>>3798758
He is farming views with this one, nothing interesting was said

>>3798776
I am a bad avatarfag if I keep being mistaken with other people.

>>3798777
It's Andrew Cunningham, he has literally never posted anything interesting to his channel ever.
His "theory" videos so conservative they aren't even theory videos, just analyses of what's in the game.

>>3798781
>>3798777
its more a summary for uninformed people

>>3798781
This. He's a fraud like I said. Only midtwits like him.

>>3798778
Maybe you should stop avatarfagging then?

>>3798781
>His "theory" videos so conservative they aren't even theory videos, just analyses of what's in the game.
I mean the alternative is pulling shit out of your ass like KRIS KILLED ASRIEL AND TRICKED THE WHOLE TOWN INTO THINKING HE'S AT COLLEGE AND OBERON SMOG IS THE KNIGHT so I'd rather have something grounded
>inb4 but oberon smog sort of happened so he was right
The theory spawned from him thinking Kris killed Asriel

>>3798784
>He is farming views with this one, nothing interesting was said
Yes, exactly what we said already. Albeit you did word it nicer.

>>3798791
I have. Do you see any avatarfagging here?

Can both of you faggots shut the fuck up about avatarfagging? Christ.

>/v/ thread is better than /vrpg/ thread right now

>>3798793
Theory crafting is fanfiction adjacent and evidence based methodical analyses are antithetical to what it should be.
Besides Jaru's theory is dumb for its own merits, like the trauma spectrum and Kris having to pull everyone for the town on the loop. Andrew has nothing to do with that.

>>3798801
>Theory crafting is fanfiction adjacent
This. Best theories are the ones that try to write a story.

>>3798797
Maybe you shouldn't avatarfag in the first place?

>>3798800
>check /v/ thread
>it's just people complaining about Suselle with no new points being made for the millionth time

>>3798805
Exactly my point

I'm not letting the janny stop me from replying to this.
>>>/v/714825031
For the last time,
Queen's car ONLY GETS STOPPED IN THE NORMAL ROUTE.
Do you not remember why we encountered Spamton? It got STOPPED by traffic.
In snowgrave it never starts to begin with, meaning it's never stopped by an outside force.

>>3798804
I ain't. Again, you're attacking your own shadows.

>>3798810
as riveting as it is to watch you two love birds repeat yourselves at each other for 20 posts kindly Do Not Do That

>>3798809
It would be so boring if by just playing pacifist you would get the GOOD ending

>>3798812
Aye aye, boss!

>>3798803
It isn't even that hard to chart a narrative where Dess became something like an amalgamate equivalent lost in the Dark World with Carol and Asgore looking for her.
Then Carol actually finds Dess without Asgore and gets roped into completing the prophecy in a way that will benefit both of them but will put Kris at harm.
Then you can say due to Dess already being aware of the future to some degree is what caused her to venture into the woods and follow the pointed tail. Now in the present she extracts some promise our of Kris and manipulates him into acting as a vessel for the soul with the promise everything will go back to how it used to be on her end.
Making have some parallel traits with Tenna(the chapter antagonist he made) and Asogre(his father and the spurned member of the conspiracy who has also turned into a pawn)

All he needs is a segment at the end where he goes over what he thinks the narrative implications are a craft a story using what he talks about in the analysis in order to make it a proper theory video instead of just recapping.

>>3798813
That's how Toby works, though.

I wonder what prompts the jannies to force archive as opposed to autosaging or deleting

>>3798813
I mean, no matter what you'll probably break from the prophecy.
Ralsei implies as much about the weird route and Susie sure as hell is gonna do something fate related in the future.

>>3798813
Weird route is NOT gonna be the good ending lmfao.
Jevil and Spamton are direct parallels to the players of it.
>Thinks he's free and that everyone else is locked in a reverse prison, when he's actually the one imprisoned
>Manipulates others to gain freedom, but even after he achieves his goal he worked so hard to use other people for, he's still controlled by his puppet strings

>>3798793
andrew's alternative is looking at someone saying "kris knows shit and has plans we don't know about" pre-chapter 2 and going "we don't have evidence for that, so I won't engage with this idea further"
he actually did that

>>3798824
Most people don't watch Andrew's streams and thus probably don't know how annoying he is.
It wouldn't even be a problem if he didn't try to pass himself off as a theorist, all he has to say is.
>Hey this is my ANALYSIS of the game, its in no way a theory
And then not dismiss theories off hand.

>>3798824
Damn. He's worser than I thought.

I like HalfBread the most out of all the "theory tubers" but man I wish he didn't popularize the goner code shit.
It's an outdated theory based on a literal interpretation of finding unused dialogue in the code (because, surprise surprise, THE CODE IS WHERE ALL DIALOGUE IS STORED) and people still think it debunks Dess being the knight.

>>3798833
Yeah it's kinda sad he's homless and living in a car now, I've seen some misc people dive into the code but nobody to the extent he did and without his approach to theorizing.

>>3798833
>>3798837
He's my favorite, too.

>>3798837
All the frustrations with Dess stuff aside, I really hope he can get in a better living situation soon. Doesn't deserve to be homeless

>>3798822
Im not saying the weird route should be a good ending, I'm saying just following the recruit everyone and don't damage anyone, would be boring a second time

>>3798837
>100k followers on YT
>Homeless
How the fuck

>>3798850
I don't think ad revenue actually amounts to that much money

>>3798849
I don't think he's going to pull another Undertale pacifist requirement. It would be BS. I would feel frustrated having to replay the entire game again just to progress the story.
It worked in Undertale because the game isn't too long.

>>3798853
Just recruit everyone, get all EGGS and Shadow Crystals.

>>3798858
Expecting all the eggs would also be retarded, it would lock out like 98% of players. You need multiple playthrough to get all the eggs, and you have to know about where how to get them in the first place.

>>3798777
He never has anything interesting to say. Watch any of his streams where he plays "Undertale adjacent" games and he basically never engages with the story sincerely, always trying to ironically pog out at epic references he "recognises" and then his final thoughts after beating the game is always some form of "Undertale did it better"
Highlights from memory
>Didn't take naming his Earthbound cast remotely seriously (Ness was named Frisk, and King was named sans)
>Died to the first encounter in OFF because he didn't understand it wasn't purely turn based and got frustrated
>Raged at Cave Story's Hell Run then switched to playing Binding of Isaac while bitterly concluding "It was like Undertale without the metatext"
Those were the only three streams I endured, but I dread to think of how he reacted to Chrono Trigger

>>3798918
that reminds me I have been watching theory videos mainly to see what people are coming up with and laugh at bad takes, but it upsets me when so called huge UT/DR fans are "well toby might have taken this from [game], I don't know since I never played it"
wish people would at least know where toby is pulling his references from instead of thinking he is a genius and as if the thing he is doing was never ever done before

>>3798918
oh boy
this faggot is worse than I thought, I thought he just makes harmless nothing burger theories like MatPat

>>3798918
I wonder if he ever played Katana Zero and how he would've felt about its secret boss, since it's pretty much a Photoshop Flowey rip-off.

>>3798931
I actually checked after making that post and he's played a surprisingly amount more
>YIIK
>Rain World
>Nine Sols
>Undertale Yellow
>Deltatraveler
>Yume Nikki Online (disgusting)
>Night in the Woods
>Animal Well
>Signalis
>Crosscode
I'm tempted to look at him play those final two just to see if he's changed.

>>3798853
>I would feel frustrated having to replay the entire game again just to progress the story.
This is a big reason why I think it's reasonable to take Toby's "only one ending" statement at face value. There are obviously going to be differences in circumstances depending on your actions, potentially big ones, but the broad outcome is generally the same.
Think along the lines of the neutral endings in UT: in all of them, Asgore is dead, the souls are gone, and monsters are trapped underground, but the specifics are wildly different depending on who's alive and how their lives are going.

>>3798934
Nevermind he's still a pseud

>>3798942
why does this comment reeks of reddit elitist

>>3798942
all that fluff just to say he didn't hate a game, he just had some gripes

https://twitter.com/UnderTale/status/1942466050957959641

>>3798949
>invisible character
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO WE WERE FOLLOWED BY AN INVISIBLE CHARACTER IN CHAPTER 2?

>>3798949
>fixed duplicate kris
for real now? wasn't this "fixed" twice already?

>>3798952
lol no, too busy with the noelle scene from chapter 4

>>3798950
yes and its was him,
the original Starwalker

>>3798957
This Schizophrenia is Pissing me off...

Susie's "get dunked on" line during the titan fight really makes me think of that the "sans experienced deltarune first but the player/soul experienced undertale first" theory

>>3798949
I cant believe Toby mercilessly slaughtered all 29 of Lancer's extended family in a patch

>>3798949
>several other minor aesthetic fixes
like what toby

>>3798979
Yeah I have multiple Lancers too

>>3798918
He's such a fag.

>>3798919
It isn't even that hard of a thing to do as Toby has done magazine interviews where he lists literally every game he ever took something from.
Something Andrew is aware of since he did a video on the topic.

>>3799030
So true sister!
Jaru is our god for life!

>>3799120
Keep your schizo behavior to /vg/.

>>3798801
>Jaru's theory is dumb for its own merits
When he puts it like in picrel it doesn't see too unreasonable for the chapter 2 days.
It's just all the details and little bits, as well as the broken logic like Deltarune being an alternate timeline, not AU, or the player not existing, or Kris killing Ralsei.
Really all of the details just make his theories make less sense, I do agree however that there are characters that have parallel roles in Undertale and Deltarune but I think he tries to make them too 1:1 and even in the chapter 2 days the parallels he proposed didn't make a lot of sense. For instance, Gaster is barely a character, even a hidden one in UT so the hidden code entity has no in universe story role, which breaks some of Jaru's own logic.
Not to mention third entity with two versions of Kris/Chara and Asriel being the third one who's dead.
The Angel as the source of conflict was a good guess, although now we know the Prophecy is the main source of conflict.

>>3799201
>>3798801
every time jaru is mentioned I remember when he said the soul cannot be the player because "gaster literally didn't pull his hand out of my monitor and grab my IRL soul", when we know the deltarune game itself is just an interface into that world and not actually literal

>>3799203
>gaster literally didn't pull his hand out of my monitor and grab my IRL soul
>implying toby isnt going to cause a worldwide epidemic because hes already figured out how to code this in

>>3798949
how did it take him so long to fix the duplicate kris, it was around long enough people started fucking theorising about it

>>3798918
I usually watch his uploads because I prefer mild nothingburgers over legit retarded theories. But I cannot imagine being so bored that you would watch him playing games, dude just doesn't have a personality outside of liking UT and DR.

>>3799203
Tbf the player not being diagetic is a pretty based take ngl.

>>3799203
His insistence as anything that anything that doesn't fit his misreading of Undertale and Deltarune being bad writting and thus something Toby wouldn't do is stupid.
Even ignoring his lack of reading comprehension, even a writer you consider good can do something you think is bad writing.

>>3799221
after the ME scene it seems pretty dead and gone as an idea, though

>>3799225
as long as toby doesnt put a chara like character people can scapegoat into

>>3799225
Tell that to the Dess = Red Soul people.

>>3799225
That's just the Red Soul speaking.

>>3799201
What the hell is that image? The very first thing about it is wrong.

>>3799237
It was made in the chapter 2 days. The ideas of parallels isn't bad but even in the chapter 2 days I have no idea why Gerson would be in Asgore's spot when even back then Mayor had a better argument for being Asgore's parallel.

>>3799238
It's because of his Oberon Smog theory about darkner Gerson being the Knight.

>>3799254
I know, which in turn is built off of Piles of Asriel's dust, which is then in turn based off of Deltarune is an Undertale alternate timeline.
Shaky theories based off of shaky theories, all of which have to deal with the problems created by the theory before it.
Some would imagine Sisyphus happy.

>All I care about is killing chaos

>>3799262

>>3798758
He missed some connections with Kris and the Knight.
During the Knight fight the below dialogue appears
>Your vision narrows... The world revolves
So there's a connection between the Knight, Jevil, and the Soul. The world revolves around you when you're in its presence, additionally the metanarrative interpretation fits as well. As the main PoV the world literally does revolve around you the player.
around you.
Additionally, during the Spamton fight this dialogue appears
>It pulls the strings and makes them ring.
Dess is literally the only character associated with playing string instruments. She pulls the strings and makes them ring, Spamton is also called by whoever is controlling him/called him on the phone, forcing him to waste a turn.
So even without Dess = Knight and without the Knight = Strange Someone/Caller connections, there is a Dess = Strange Someone/Caller connection.

>>3799263
Batter doesn't emote like that.

>>3799266
>Dess is literally the only character associated with playing string instruments
Aren't pianos string instruments?

>>3799270
Do you play piano string? Also Kris is right in front of Spamton, I have a hard time believing he was pulling the strings there.

>>3799270
On technicality yes, which is why Kris being allied with The Knight makes symbolic sense.

>>3799257
Tbf Oberon Smog was partially right.

Watch Dess have a pink gold palette.

>>3799270
Nah. They do have strings but but that's not the important part.

>>3799276
it can be arranged

>>3799276
>dess's fur was pink and she had yellow eyes

>mods deleted the thread as soon as it began discussing kris' gender/pronouns.
You know what, fair play.
Making a note to just ignore anyone who does that because it does drag the threads to shit.

>>3799270
You don't pull piano strings, you hit them with a hammer

>>3799290
It's just another episode of "mod deletes the more active thread"

>>3799274
Dustners was a pretty good idea, it's just everything else in the video, and the videos preceding it that was the problem.

>>3799201
How is Gaster a "code character"
I can get the misconception for Dess but Gaster was shattered across time and space, that's how he's "listening"
The fun events aren't even unused like Dess's dialogue they're just random

>>/v/714906157
I was going to respond to this but the thread got archived mid writeup and I don't want to lose the text so I'll just post it here.

At some point, Noelle breaks down crying, and believing that Kris is once again possessed by the Soul, would attack Kris with a knife. Kris would naturally pull his knife out to defend himself, but would only slightly slash Noelle whereas she would slightly stab him before dropping the knife and bursting into tears.
After however many hours it takes for the two to calm down, they end up bandage each other up without saying anything. But then Noelle, for some reason, licks Kris' wound. In retaliation, Kris licks back and for the first time in many years Noelle laughs. They continue licking each other, giggling, until Kris gets to close to Noelle's chest. After a moan, they only intensify, until they are full on having sex.
But Noelle does the unthinkable, she leglocks Kris, who desperately tries to pull out, but Noelle tells him It's okay, it'll be fine. Maybe this is what they need, maybe this is what will keep them stable, something to care for. Kris reels in despair, it's clear that Noelle is not in a sane state of mind... but neither is he. Months later, Noelle finally goes to labor, and The Baby is (You).

>force archived
damn. dont think there's even another thread
>>3799331
three arrows for cross board
>>>/v/714906157

No bread?

>>3799336
Yes bread!

>>3799338
Damn, I must be blind

Okay, proper melty began.

>>3799321
Yeah, the only code only character I can think of in Undertale is the demon text. Which is probably Chara(?) so that still doesn't fit.
Although thinking about demons makes me think about Gaster and the number 6 again. I've seen some people positing 666 = Gaster = pointed hell, which is an interesting connection. Although for me the vibes feel off, Gaster has some vague demonic stuff around him, but the Number 6 isn't related to demons in UT or DR.
6 is related to Gaster, his Goners, puppets, and cats. While the number 9 is related to Chara and demons. That and the idea of Gaster as a literal pointy tailed devil feels off, the vibes just feel incorrect. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaster was somehow the pointed tail that the kids followed, but as you said Gaster is all about being shattered across time and space. With the one confirm shard of him being a face and the other possibly being the Forgotten Man. Neither of which seem to be antagonistic characters, the Man even seem to have a very hard time existing in the world at all.
Gaster as just this guy who's metaphorically a devil and has this singular self that hangs out inside of a Bunker in order to do ??? also doesn't really have a motive. I guess there's the angle of satan being the opponent who creates obstacles, and thus Gaster is the metaphorical game designer of DR, but I don't think he's the creator of the prophecy and I don't really like the idea of this pure evil antagonist who's just torturing a bunch of kids for fun.

>>3799382
One month straight of this...

janny got the /mlp/ thread...

oh they reaally don't want a thread huh

>>3799383
I'd personally bet on the pointed tail being Friend
In Chapter 2 he felt more like random schizobait, but Chapter 3 made him feel way more significant with the "darker than dark" exposition and the Mantle fight
And all the Cat Petterz blog stuff lining up with both Friend and the pointed tail being made of circles

The idea of noelle accidentally creating a literal demon by fucking around with mods in Legally Distinct Petz is really funny honestly

>>3799406
Deltarune seems to reference creepypasta tropes quite a lot. So much of Chapter 3, for example, resembles creepypastas of cheerful games taking a dark turn. Cat Petterz seems to follow the same thread.

>>3799406
>"Noelle, have you been playing video games irresponsibly?"
>"No more irresponsibly than usual."
>"Did you create a demon?"
>"Uhhh, noo..."
>"Did you create an unspeakable abomination of pure darkness that will endanger our entire world?"
>""Yes... very yes!"
>"Well, hurry up and do something about it before it gets worse!"

>>3799410
It makes tropes that normally suck and bog down a creepypasta's quality actually work, too
>then the good guy turned evil and killed all his friends and walked out of the screen and he's gonna kill me in real life!
Literally what happens in Chapter 3 and it was actually good. He made the most laughable part of sonic.exe actually unsettling.

>>3799403
Yeah I think so too, my biggest problem with Gaster is just the role he'll play in the story. Honestly he doesn't seem like the main villain and I think a lolsorandom mastermind who tortures the main cast for the sake of videogame is too meta by Tobys standard.
Sure Flowey was a commentary on completionism and how we buy into games and feel like we *HAVE* to play them. Or more broadly how we but into concepts like that and have to act on them, but he still had a non-metanarrative role.
Besides, I don't like the idea of Gaster creating the entire world, or even the Dark worlds. Especially since there's implications of him being an outside force that changed things, failing to take the reigns of the vessel, but I think, successfully introducing Susie into the story as a disruptive element. Although I don't think that's perfect either...

>>3799431
I'd say it is pretty safe to assume that Gaster is a benevolent figure. Maybe he's doing it simply out of curiosity, but he wants to see a better outcome for this world.

lmao

>>3799435
And there's no excuse about thread quality, it was going very well too.

>>3799436
There was never an excuse. They started deleting the threads barely a week after the game came out.
/v/ isn't for video games it's about steam charts and twitter screenshots and ecelebs who said something about Stop Killing Games and porn.

does anyone have the truth nuke dark fountain gif

>>3799435
>>3799436
It was my thread, too... I understand how OPs that get their threads archived feel.
I got warned about "video game generals belong on /vg/", too. TJD..

I guess we have to use ctt thread?

>Don't Forget is included on the songs you can play on the big piano
>but it has messed up extra notes for some reason, so playing it the way it actually goes isn't acknowledged by the game
Considering how musically-skilled Toby is I'm surprised he made such a mistake

We should not be forced to fly under the radar for actually discussing video games on the fucking video games board man

>>3799448
Sorry anon but THIS videogame has reached our arbitrary threshold for deleting any discussion about it while allowing perpetual discussion of the same 4-5 games.

>>3799440
The threads started to outshine the threads for an announcement of an upcoming Nintendo game, so the mod team threw a shitfit

>>3799447
Don't Forget was the first song I tried, I was kinda disappointed it didn't work. I tried some variations but it wouldn't work. Later I saw on Youtube that you had to play it wrong for whatever reason. I don't know why this is. I wonder if the wrong version is somewhere in the game.

Someone really needs to introduce the concept of "Streisand effect" to the administration of this site.

>>3799455
for real, if they just left well enough alone it'd be one thread and discussion would be fading naturally by now.
instead they just had to poke it and encourage people to keep pushing on out of spite.

https://youtu.be/bcBcUuDDSx0?si=8JOQFIyqWCpeUfTQ

>>3799447
>>3799454
The explanation I've seen is that Kris messes up deliberately so he can show off his piano skills. Considering it's the one edge he has over the player, I am not surprised.

>>3799497
I don't mean playing the sheet music (that uses the same leitmotif, but isn't the same song) I mean playing the regular version of Don't Forget
The game doesn't acknowledge it because the code that detects if you're playing an existing song has a few duplicate notes that don't sync to the syllable count

>The purple (Perseverance) soul literally gives you the word "HOPE" to heal you in Undertale
>Susie is purple
>Gerson says she holds the white pen of hope and directly refers to "perseverance" after his fight
>Gerson also sells the items of the purple soul in Undertale
Susie and Gerson really are the ultimate HOPEpill

>>3799412
Carol or Dess probably would've worked better but I'm too lazy to mess with custom content in the generator.

>A strange knight appeared, and three of the kings were locked away
So, combined with the newly revealed fact that Jevil was the one telling King about the Knight, this basically confirms the Knight was the strange someone who talked to Jevil, right?
The kings were locked away because Spade King suddenly decided to overthrow them out of nowhere, and this only happened after the Knight showed up, who Jevil was responsible for telling King about? And Jevil only went crazy after talking to a strange someone? Sounds to me like they're the same.

>>3799634
I think that school dark worlds were meticulously prepared as the first introductory adventures to our hero. Notice how supply closet is devoid of anything except for dust and Ralsei, there's this big introductory cutscene with a paper path, Kings were locked up and everything was arranged in the unused classroom. Following Dark Worlds weren't prepared that much, aside from someone printing spam emails in chapter 2 and TV being plugged in in chapter 3.

>>3799638
Could be why Jevil already had the shadow crystal and Spamton had to get it from the machine instead
Knight didn't prepare Spamton as much as Jevil and so didn't give him the crystal directly, but probably told him over the phone about the NEO body, maybe?

>>3799640
I imagine Spamton doing his own legwork to find out about NEO body. He used to live at Queen's mansion, after all.

>>3790867 (OP)
Tenna... The sexiest man to ever exist...

>>3799406
>Noelle bred a monstrocity glitched out pet egg in Cat Petterz 2 made out of mismatched parts that couldn't hatch
>The name she couldn't remember was Friend
>She successfully uploaded the egg when it left
>Cut to Dess and Kris enjoying their time in adventures in the shelter, but as Eram suggests they were murderhobos fighting darkners as they pleased
>They found Friend, the glitched out pet
>It has a pointy tail made of spheres because of its mismatched breeding mods
>They tried to fight it like the violent morons they are
>Friend got enraged and tried to kill them, Kris escaped but Dess was left in the dark
>The egg rooms are Kris recovering the eggs that Noelle discarded as they remember this being a story she told them
>Main theme of Deltarune is treating fictional things with respect

Just realized why Kris always acts like zombie when he removes soul from his chest. He is doing it on purpose to mislead (You) about his capabilities. You would assume that he can barely function without (You) and that he barely had time to shamble to his front yard during bathroom break to slash tires, while in reality he can run just fine and entire town was available to him, for example.

>>3799702
I like more than Gaster schizo stuff but it still feels a bit of since Gerson and the whole fate thing seem to be about writing your own path. Even going back to DR"s origin, I think the dream Toby has was a Mother 3 alternate ending. He's talked about how much he's stolen from mother 3 before. Toby irl had the idea for DR start as a fanfic and then used that to write his own story, like with Gerson and the prophecy and perhaps like Gaster did, and perhaps like Susie will.
I think the Angel is sort of an analogue to the Dark Dragon and the one ending is like Undertale's neutral route where you come to the same event but what you do shapes the world to come.

>>3799702
>Main theme of Deltarune is treating fictional things with respect
It's stupid, but there is something about it. Undertale was all about making you feel empathy towards fictional characters, and Deltarune actually explores this phenomenon inside its universe.

What I want to know is how susie can enter dark worlds if (if what we heard on the phone means what we think it does) kris can't enter them without (YOU). Like does she have a soul? Do you actually not need a human soul and kris is like a shambling zombie without us that'd turn into a darkner? But he seems completely capable of walking around town and speaking to people and even carrying berdly around, so he can't be literally a corpse. Going by what we know that line seems like undecipherable nonsense, no?

>>3799770
>(if what we heard on the phone means what we think it does)
It doesn't. It was foreshadowing for entering the titan to seal it.

>>3799770
>Like does she have a soul?
all lightners have souls as far as we know, we just don't know how monster souls are different from human souls in DR yet, or if there even is that big of a difference, or even if susie herself is half human or something (cuz bleeding and the evidence for monsters bleeding is all over the place)
I personally believe kris can last without the soul due to residual DT and eating pie/chocolate to boost energy

>>3799771
the japanese text seems to imply kris can't just enter the dark world at all without the soul, and why wouldnt kris remove it in weird route in chapter 2 too if he hates it?
maybe as other anons theorize, the soul is needed for dark worlds to differentiate darkners from lightners and soulless kris would become a darkner or even another knight, since I believe the knight is dess' soulless body

>>3799770
We've seen several Lightners enter the Dark World, so we can assume they all have souls of their own. Kris' situation is unusual, he has a soul from the external source, and it might even be special, as Ralsei describes it:
> * That's a SOUL, the culmination of a HUMAN's being!
> * Not only does it represent one's WILL and COMPASSION...
> * But it also has the power to DETERMINE FATE.

>>3799776
>the japanese text seems to imply
Prove it

>>3799771
>>3799776
>>3799777
Also, after seeing us seal fountains 10 times in perfectly controlled, peaceful conditions, she only noticed the red soul after jumping into the middle of a titan/dark fountain? Is she stupid? It's right in the middle of the screen

>>3799780
I think those parts where you seal the fountain normally, the soul didn't literally jump out of kris' body, that was just a cool visual thing to show the player
but inside the titan it might have actually left the body for that moment

>>3799781
Why though, there's absolutely no reason to make that assumption. I was asking jokingly but it is a bit goofy, there's also numerous gags of characters including susie talking to each other during battles and directly noticing things on the battlefield but not the soul. It feels a little sloppy that it's supposed to be some sort of reveal after all that but it doesn't really matter

>>3799780
It's not about noticing the soul, it's about noticing what it's capable of ESPECIALLY after she saw the prophecy panel refer to Kris as THE CAGE. Before she just thought it was some cool thing humans could do to seal the fountains and didn't think twice about it, but after seeing the panel and our abilities in the church, she's starting to question things.

>>3799770
Well Susie does have a Soul so any potential problems with having one wouldn't imply to her, we don't really have a reason to think soullessness is the default state for Lightners.
But for Kris there are two options.
>He absolutely needs the soul to open a fountain
>He needs the soul to close fountains and since thats part of the plan he needs to bring it along.

>>3799778

>>3799788
That's a fair take, I can see that
>>3799789
Do you have anything concrete to base that assumption on? That all lightners have souls, doesn't ralsei call it a "human soul"? I'm just saying it's a pretty big logical leap, and without it these things seem much more vague and weird, if you wanted to make conjectures based on existing info we'd be talking about all /humans/ having souls, like in undertale, if anything that /is/ a reason to think that for lightner /monsters/ "soullessness is the default state"
Don't take this as me just being an asshole, but I think it's good practice to run these theories through some criticism so they don't go into completely retarded directions with 0 basis

>>3799795
> * (It's Book 1 about SOULS. Read it?)
> * The SOUL has long been called many things.
> * The font of our compassion. The source of our will.
> * The container of our "life force."
> * But even now, the true function of it is unknown.

>>3799795
>That all lightners have souls, doesn't ralsei call it a "human soul"?
the menu itself at first has kris' title be "human: body contains a human soul", which implies monsters have monster souls

>>3799795
Aside from what the other two guys said, it was talked about up thread but Susie is heavily perseverance coded. Although that's just an argument for Susie having some connection to perseverance.

>>3799792
Yeah, "can't enter," doesn't specify what. The assumption is that it's referring to the dark world, but having text broken up is the easiest way for a writer to create false expectations. As I mentioned earlier, it could just as easily be talking about entering the titan to seal it, because without us to unleash they wouldn't be able to break the outer shell covering the mouth.

>>3799797
>>3799795
also queen said all lightners have determination (and we saw it when susie opened the fountain), and the soul is the source of DT as far as we know

>>3799799
That's a theme for sure, but I don't know about specific evidence for monster souls
>>3799796
This might be though, we'll know for sure when we see a monster die for real (good thing we're controlling the only human in town)

Oh, and another thing that's been on my mind, the twisted sword. From what I've seen people theorize it could free kris from us or something, since it has that trance down effect, but we're not actually hypnotizing him, he can rip us out of his chest at any moment, and to go further he's the one that seems to be keeping us hostage for a yet unknown goal - so what the fuck is a trance down sword for, the only character that's in any sort of a trance is noelle in the weird route. Is one of the characters a fucking sleeper agent or something, hypnotized to not remember something significant? There's no theory I can think of that isn't retarded, so far all playable characters seem very much of sound mind and have no 'trance' to 'lose'

>>3799810
the sword isnt for kris, it is for the knight

>>3799811
TOBY "KINO" "RADIATION" FOX YOU DID IT AGAIN

>>3799810
I like to believe the the sword will give the SOUL more freedom
Trance, as shown when Noelle casts Snowgrave, has you do things without seeing or remembering them
kind of like what happens to us when the screen cuts to black
we can't see and can't choose, things happens and we only find out because someone talks about it, like with Noelle in ch4 snowrape
but with trance down that sort of thing would stop
you'd be present at all times, no more bullshit
alas we'll never know until we get it

>>3799811
>give it to the knight
>"Oh sweet, a better weapon"
>starts whacking you with it

>>3799827
Imagine the catharsis of getting complete freedom after a game's worth of getting kicked around, used and manipulated, even if it's on the most evil route, I don't care if at that point the only thing to do would be fighting all the beloved characters to crawl out of the bunker or whatever, it'd be ME doing it

>>3799845
>Soul gets complete freedom
>You can't control it anymore

>>3799859
>Thanks, Partner!

>>3799770
All monsters have souls, dude. How can people forget this?

>>3799859
SOUL being their own character would be so based for the meltdown in the fanbase.

>>3799877
nah I don't want another scapegoat like chara, let the fanbase own their own actions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODHktslqqs

>>3799878
I also want the SOUL to be their own character to make midtwits like you who point out "player is le responsible for the videogame actions!" To get mad, too.

>>3799859
KINO

>>3799887
>Chara's SOUL is inside Frisk.
Wrong. It's Chara's essence. Frisk's soul is just hers.

>jaru thinking the knight is the mayor and dess is a red herring
other way around, its so funny seeing theorists thinking dess is obvious when the average player doesn't even know who dess is (though toby might still pull a fast one on us, but I think that would just be a bad idea)
speaking of, if tobias didn't want people to think the knight was dess he would have used this animation for the sword summon instead of the bat, and the knight's sword even looked like more katana like in early sprites

>>3799899
She wasn't obvious before, yeah
But the "Asgore running over Dess" memes have gone mainstream and pretty much cemented Dess=Knight in people's minds, especially considering that the lyrical versions that are currently uber-popular all outright state that Dess=Knight.
Though Toby definitely did not account for that.

>>3799638
>Notice how supply closet is devoid of anything except for dust and Ralsei
Dont forget Lancer, you get attacked by him before you even see Ralsei. In fact, knowing what we know about Lancer, that's pretty out of character now. He was killing on sight, no jokes or flaming bicycles until after we met Ralsei. Susie had to teach him to be scary later, so I wonder if that means anything
>>3799702
>Main theme of Deltarune is treating fictional things with respect
This message will always doomed because Toby has already not followed it, both in the past, present, and likely future. He created a fictional universe just to allow others a path to wiping it away completely, he's currently creating another fictional universe with a path that involves the complete destruction of one of it's more frail character's minds, and now he's making commodities out of the fictional characters he himself is designing for nothing but his and the people he allows to torture them's profits. Doubly so if in the future he does actually make Lightner merch.
>"You need to treat everyone, even fictional beings, with respect"
>"Buy our new plush of Kris with a representation of his own SOUL you can gut him to see, and a poster of the fun gang's final traumatic encounter"
From what Im seeing it's actually very lucrative to exploit fictonal characters and Im being told not to by the guy making his empire out of them

>>3799904
>>>"Buy our new plush of Kris with a representation of his own SOUL you can gut him to see, and a poster of the fun gang's final traumatic encounter"
toby specifically went out of his way to not make a plushie of the lightners though, despite fangamer probably frothing at the mouth on how much bank they'd make on them

>>3799899
Give him some time, he's a bit slow and it's only part 1 of his chapter 4 playthrough.

>>3799906
Yeah thats why it's after
>Doubly so if in the future he does actually make Lightner merch.
Im refering to the potential future of the merch. And even now, the Ralsei plush has his manual and some other shit inside him you can only get by cutting him open right? It's already happened, it'll just get worse if he does it to Lightners too. Toby isnt taking that lesson to heart, so if it's the message of deltarune in the end it will fall completely flat

>>3799876
Wasn't it just boss monsters?

>>3799899
Has Jaru seen his vindication yet?

>>3799913
Boss Monsters are the only ones whose SOULs persist after death. But all monsters have it.

>>3799913
No, boss monsters were just the only ones whose souls persisted briefly after death. For the rest, their souls dusted along with their bodies.

>>3799914
No, he just fucked around town for the first part of his chapter 4 playthrough.
He does think Jevil knowing the future firmly supports timeloop theory. But he might connect the dots about the Knight knowing the prophecy and thus the Strange Someone(probably Dess) imparting that knowledge onto Jevil as well.

>>3799915
>>3799916
huh, alright, I haven't played UT in many years, good to know there's some more base for that line of thinking then

Why does recruiting/losing enemies not exist until Chapter 2?
Is Chapter 1 meant to be a sort of tutorial chapter where you can learn how fighting works without any permanent impact, or did Toby just not think of it until later? I find it hard to believe he just didn't think of it

>>3799939
>or did Toby just not think of it until later
I think this alongside the weird route were thought up back when toby was making DR by himself, so he was going to make it a straight forward game
now that he has a team, he could increase the scope a bit

>>3799941
>>3799939
It all feels very smoke and mirrors, like all that recruiting shit isn't gonna amount to anything, you're not gonna get a rocket slime-style giant tank you can staff with all your collected darkners.
Not that it won't make any difference, there's already per-chapter differences when you don't collect everybody, but it doesn't feel important game-wise, it's just a requirement for a cutscene

>>3799899
The whole idea that Carol is the knight and Dess is the red herring is so funny when the katana is literally the most OBVIOUS knight hint ever.
All the association with Dess and bats is stuff you'd only notice if you're paying close attention. Hell, even with Raise Up Your Bat, you literally can't even read the lyrics because you're focusing on hitting the notes PLUS they get kidzbopped by Ralsei anyway.
Meanwhile you can walk into Carol's kitchen and see a huge ass katana lying there in plain sight that's certain to make you immediately think "wait, the Knight had a long sword!"
And an average layman casually playing the game without looking up lore or sweepstakes pages doesn't even know Dess is missing to begin with, it's only IMPLIED in the game itself. She's not "obvious" at all.

>>3799939
It may or may not be a bug, but it actually IS possible to retroactively lose a chapter 1 recruit now if you kill the ribbicks in chapter 3 after getting them to 100% mercy. Some of them becomes Rabbicks at that point, and it counts them as LOST. They still show up in castle town though afaik but they are removed from the recruits menu

>>3799942
Recruiting will only matter for "the angel's heaven" ie the post game castle town (we) get sealed off in at the end of the game
think about it with the battle dojo, the sound test, and now all the minigames
Violent players get an empty castle town with barely anything to come back to.

>>3799946
Alternatively truly violent people get an altered castle town with a unique boss rush because that's exactly what omori did with the hikkikomori route

>>3799946
That sucks dude I don't care about a town's worth of single dialogue line npcs and a couple shitty minigames
If toby cared he'd make it a dating sim with all the cute pointy snout enemies + a proper bossrush

>>3799948
>If toby cared he'd make it a dating sim with all the cute pointy snout enemies
>we can finally take up tasque manager's offer to be one of her animals
the angel has truly meet with it's desire...

>>3799948
The game's not over yet, for all we know we'll get darkner animal crossing (but I really doubt it)

>>3799951
There's as much of a chance for that as the rocket slime tank segment. It's never gonna happen, but we can dream
>>3799950
>malware

>>3799899
Well that settles it, Dess is the knight.
If Jaru says she isn't, then she is.

>Player Angel retardation ITT.

>>3799955
I wonder if he'll start to think Gerson is the Knight still? After all we don't see them on screen together.

>>3799956
There's an unused sprite related to the Angel that literally shows Castle Town I don't think Noelle would be represented by the town that gets named after the player

For all that everyone makes fun of Oberon Smog and the dogshit Dead Asriel theory surrounding it, it's a pretty cool anagram to be honest

>>3799958
It's just a placeholder because that's the first prophecy panel. Every single Player Angel argument fits Gaster better.

>>3799959
If any Gerson anagram matters, it'd be Goners

>>3799963
I'm not the first to point it out, but his history in Deltarune seems like a parallel to gaster in UT. Renowned figures who were said to be consumed by their creation that were eventually succeeded by Alphys who struggles to live up to their reputation.
I wouldn't put it past Toby to have Gerson be a parallel to Gaster since like how Gerson made his own story out of the prophecy its also implied someone(probably Gaster) tried to meddle with the Prophecy.

>janny autosaged the thread on 450 posts again

>>3799973
Almost as pathetic as the time he force-archived a thread that was already past bump limit

>>3799979
What's even the point of force-archiving being a thing, as opposed to just deleting the thread which has the same effect? Is it because you can see deletions on b4k but not force-archiving, so they want to make their melty less obvious to people looking in archives? It'd be so fucking pathetic if that's actually why it exists as a mod option

>he /trash/ed it now
Welp, haven't seen that for a long time

/v/ - Crying about Politics Twitter Screenshots AI Porn and Maybe Discussing Video Games For About Half a Week If I’m In a Good Mood

>>3800004
c'est la /v/

>>3797273
>The kiss/hearts/blush edit is still forthcoming
Be sure to post it here, I only have this thread watched specifically for the end result of this.

>>3799943
Not to mention Carol's villainous introduction is so heavy handed, especially by Toby's standard that it would be surprising if she did turn out to be the Knight.
She just screams, well intentioned antagonist that's gonna have to be stopped.

>>3800020
>She just screams, well intentioned antagonist that's gonna have to be stopped.
To be fair, so does the Knight. No way in hell she's going to be the ultimate villain of this story.

>>3800024
My current assumption is that, fitting with the mother 3 being an inspiration, that Dess/the Knight is going to be someone we're more going to have to save.
Although we don't exactly have a Porky like villain to point to for the person influencing the actions of the Knight and Carol.
Although I also feel like the story could happen without an overarching mastermind like that.

"FRIEND controlling Dess to be the Knight" theory would make the Knight a complete mirror of Kris
>a human controlled by the SOUL, something associated with bright light, and implied to be the angel of the prophecy
>a monster controlled by FRIEND, something associated with "darker than dark" darkness, and implied to be hell's tail from the prophecy

The fact that "an interesting coincidence" name does not block you from proceeding with vessel creation, like it would in Undertale, makes me worried that your vessel is indeed discarded and it will never be brought up again.

>>3800047
The game mentions your player name in Castle Town and I don't believe anything changes if it's KRISTown SUSIETown or NOELLETown or whatever, so it probably won't matter

Been replaying chapter 1 and I think this dialogue may have been alluding to Kris
>He's not a bad kid, but he's so weird
>And it's so... obligatory.
>Because no one wanted to be his friend, he ended up becoming REAL friends with [Susie]
The "obligatory" part especially calls to mind the "forced" ferris wheel ride with Noelle

>>3800145
>urrrghhh why does [toriel] make us hang out with her son?
>he's not a bad kid, but he's so weird, and its so... obligatory
yeah, checks out.

>>3800040
>Implied to be the Angel.
Only by retards.

>>3800145
>King of YOUR side
yea checks out

>janny force-archived bump-limited thread from page 9

As I said, Undertale threads are completely fine.

Imagine doing all that for free

Never mind, archived

lol did an Undertale hate thread get force archived too?

>>3800326
STOP DISCUSSING VIDEOGAMES, /v/ IS JUST FOR NINTENDO, SLOP AND PORN

>>3800326
I asked the shitposter if he's played deltarune and how much he knows about it because I wanted to engage with him in earnest then he never replied to me :(

>>3800323
And just when I also said Undertale threads are fine...

>>3800326
Unironic hate threads getting force-archived is some weapons-grade paranoia from the jannies that legitimately doesn't even make anyone happy, because now shitposters will start retaliating due to believing that the jannies are bought out to silence hate threads

No bread?

>>3800354
It seems like it's over. We had a good run.

>>3800354
/vrpg/ is slow as fuck and we're still way under the image limit. Just keep using this thread until it's at page 10.

I've tried to go on /vg/ again and I finally realized what is wrong with it. No one is posting Susie.

>>3800361
the infestation of spamtenna shippers is really hampering the thread quality

>it's another episode of "janny melty results in 3 active threads"

>>3799702
>>Noelle bred a monstrocity glitched out pet egg in Cat Petterz 2 made out of mismatched parts that couldn't hatch
you guys think pluey resulted frorm this as well since mikes room is probably the cat petterz rpg

>>3799827
>equip twisted sword on kris
>console command input window appears

>>3800380
Pluey is the name of the minigame, and the minigame appears in Catpetterz the game as well as Catpetterz the RPG as mentioned on Noelle's blog.

>>3800380
Holy shit, I just realized how we got all that Cat Petterz shit in CastleTown - Kris had Catti's cartridge in his room.

>write a post detailing Seam and FRIEND's real role
>thread immediately archived
I see your tricks, you badly stitched plush bastard

ANYWAYS AS I WAS SAYING
could you imagine if dess just wasent in undertale and it was like
>yeah rudys and carols daughters, Noelle and Santa

>starwalker thread got got
it's over

THAT BOARD NEEDS A HERO

>>3800418
There is a thread, but you won't like it

>>3800418
this image is fucking hilarious after the gerson abib dox

>>3800422
qrd?

>>3800426
its literally just gerson with a textbox with the home address of the janny that only likes smash threads

>>3800419
what is up with jannies deleting legitimate UTDR discussion threads on sight but leaving pronouns discourse/culture war horseshit up for hours anway, do they get paid more based on how much traffic the thread gets?

>>3800431
arrested development, power, pettiness, pick ur poison

Seems like janny is MAD mad right now can you guys help fill the shitpost thread with images, I'll try to do what I can too

>>3800447
I helped by posting humans. Don't know if I keep at it or let it die.

>>3800463
Keep at it, I earnestly think the janny tactic is to keep forcing people into whatever bait thread is currently up

>constant janny discussion and sucking off avatarfags
Yeah, this thread ain't better either

>>3800469
There are other threads up

I just realized why Asriel has these glow-in-the-dark stars on his half of the room. They're Dess awards for having Dess over at his room.

>>3800475
Brother it's a joke they're glow in the dark stars don't let the wait claim your sanity this quickly

>>3800477
But she also has them in her room. It can't be just a coincidence.

>>3800467
Aye aye, captain.

>>3800478
It's not a homestuck-tier in-real-life-rpg-system where the characters award each other stars for visiting each other's houses as an elaborate inside joke
There may be bronzed paper snowflakes in the holiday house but there will never be a kiddy camper handy sash in DT

>>3800486
Nah, I just thought it would be cute if Susie accidentally repeated the inside joke Dess and Asriel used to have between each other.

>>3800490
It'd be cute but it's a reach for sure
Though I'll admit it'd be a very toby joke to make out of that

i'm enjoying seeing the shitposters on /v/ get mad at the image dump

>>3800499
It's nice to see all us united in one goal. TOTAL HUMAN LOVE.

>>3800475
This could make sense. Maybe they weren't directly rewards for having her over, but it's very likely it was Dess's idea to put them there. It could have been Asriel who put them in Dess's room, but if that was the case, Kris would have some too. This is a nice detail.

>>3800503
>It could have been Asriel who put them in Dess's room
I just thought that they suit the overall aesthetic of her room more, so she definitely brought them over to Asriel's room from hers.

you know guys, I just had a thought
Why would Kris need to search "summer vacation college when" if he was in contact with Asriel, who would ostensibly tell him when he's coming back
guys what if Asriel didn't go to college and Kris needs to keep up the appearance that he did

>>3800508
and wait, I'm still cooking here
Asgore could obviously be "in" on what Asriel is actually doing. Asgore could've easily been the one to "drive Asriel to college" with his truck
His truck would have more space for luggage after all

>>3800507
They definitely suit her room's aesthetic more. Tt's not like they are out of place in Asriel's room. I had stars just like those when I was a kid and they look good anywhere, but I agree it was probably Dess.
The reason why I considered the opposite is because he had a bunch of star attacks in the God of Hyperdeath battle.

>>3800512
>weekend at asriel's starring asgore and kris

>>3800516
That would be hilarious but I don't think Asriel is dead. I think Asriel is trying to find someone/thing or fix what happened back then

>>3800508
>>3800512
Eh, how is making google searches counts for keeping up the appearances if Queen is the only one who's going to see them? I don't think Toby is cooking up some epic subversion with Asriel, this google query was just a handy way to show how much Kris misses his brother, in the same way with Noelle obsessively googling "December Holiday".

>>3800514
>he had a bunch of star attacks in the God of Hyperdeath battle
But so does Knight. Both used swords too. Please don't say that Knight is Asriel

>>3800508
For the same reason why he'd search diy bath bombs and piano tutorials.
Because these are from years of his search queries at the library, so he probably looked it up back when Asriel was first getting ready to head off.

>>3800520
>people ask "hey, when's asriel coming back for summer vacation"
>google the answer so you can tell them a concrete "right" answer

>>3800508
why would kris search something to 'keep up appearances' when no one else is going to see? that's one hell of a stretch
especially when the logical conclusion to this train of thought is asrielknight and we all know that shit sucks

>>3800524
So either A) Asriel knows when to "come home" for vacation or B) answer people who ask him when asriel is coming back

>>3800525
relying on an unseen third party doing what you need for your idea to make sense always feels a little awkward

>>3800524
AsrielKnight is smalltime, AsrielFRIEND is the real schizotheory.

>Kris, do you think I was born yesterday? I don't need to see the last number to know the code is 1225, it's literally so fucking obvious. Anyone who's been paying attention to the most entry-level bits of lore already knows 1225 is heavily associated with Dess, and even if I DIDN'T know that, I literally just entered it in Chapter 3. It was a whole mandatory thing to progress the game, you saw me enter the numbers and everything. Why are you hitting ME with a hockey stick when Susie is literally the only one you need to worry about seeing the code? If you didn't hit me so goddamn loud she wouldn't have even gotten it! Are you retarded? Holy shit man I miss Frisk so much.

Isn't this literally the Piles of Asriel's Dust theory?
Like, literally exactly what Jaru thinks is happening?

I'd love to not hear about whatever stupid youtubers you're watching ever again, keep it to yourself

>>3800534
If your hypothesis is identical to a "stupid youtuber's" (which I agree he is) maybe you should reconsider your theory.

>>3800529
meanwhile like half of the fanbase:
>AAAAAAAA WHAT COULD 122 MEAN???????!?!?!?!?!? I HOPE MY FAVORITE YOUTUBER TELLS ME WHAT TO THINK!!!!!!!!!!!

>>3800536
And people still say Dess would be too obvious

>>3800535
I'm not whoever you think you're arguing with, I just think you people are annoying
"what would my favorite youtuber think about this"
"this is just like that guy I watch on youtube"

>>3800534
This. I have no idea who these faggots are taking about and I don't want to know either.

>>3800536
Feels good to know that we already figured out 213 while other people are still stuck on 1225.
What is 2202, though?

Can someone QRD me on Meat Factory?

>>3800542
Only thing I can really think of is February 2nd, 2002 but I'm not sure what significance that could have to the story
Someone's birthday?

>>3800508
Its implied he couldnt ask because the internet was down, but this does bring up a good question.
Why is Asriel not in Kris' contacts? If he doesnt have his number, does that mean he left for college on bad terms? If Kris is trying to keep us from reaching him, why didnt he call about vacation before summoning us, and what is he arfraid of us telling him/hearing from him but not Toriel?

>>3800544
do-deh do-deh do-deh do-deh

>>3800508
Asriel is in the shelter. He's the prince.

>>3800549
Kris memorized the phone number so the eldritch extra-dimensional entity possessing him doesn't call his brother when he's in the middle of studying for midterms.

>>3800555
Fucks Kris gonna do when Asriel has to call him about the funny reddit post he found because the internet's out in hometown

>>3800549
Because he is constantly wiping his contacts. Was there Toriel's number on his phone after the locker scene and before he went into the Dark World?

>>3800559
Yes actually, it's in his phone the moment he wakes up, you can call toriel seconds after and she tells you stop messing around. It changes names from "Call Home" to "Call Toriel" but they're both calling her

>Bait thread on /v/ got force archived
KEK

>>3800561
Well, he probably wiped his phone in advance and reentered Toriel's number to make it less conspicuous.

>>3800562
Power of HUMANS.

>>3800427
You gotta admire his conviction to keep doing it for free then, hopefull the mailbomb he receives is just full of cum instead of shrapnel

>>3800414
I don't know the full context to the pic, but Human Dessers are a special breed of stupid.
The plot of Undertale flat-out doesn't work if there's another human in the underground. At all.
Sure, you can patch up the Asgore plothole by saying he wouldn't kill his best friend's daughter, that's fair enough. But Asgore is not the real problem here - FLOWEY is.
If there was another human present, Flowey would either not be able to SAVE (which he explicitly could until Frisk fell) or he'd be able to kill Dess and take her soul at any point, because he can just reload if she wins.
He could become God of Hyperdeath without all the monster souls because he could just kill Dess after taking the 6.
He could've killed Dess and Toriel to cross the barrier and grab more souls from the surface to become god, but he didn't. Because Dess isn't a human.
"Antlered girl and her big sis" doesn't even MEAN the big sis doesn't have antlers, this dialogue was written when Chapter 1 was the newest and we knew nothing about Dess, so "antlered sisters" would mean nothing to the viewer. "Antlered girl" would bring to mind the girl you had to talk to in the intro before Susie walked in, so Toby wrote it that way as to tell you "hey, he means Noelle, and Noelle has a big sister."
Alternatively it could be because Sans is from Deltarune and isn't used to the antlered girl HAVING a big sis at all.
Both options are infinitely more likely than it being a hint she's a sekrit human that was in Undertale this whole time that nobody killed because she's speshul and Flowey just didn't notice her despite exhausting every single thing he could possibly do. See how garbage this idea sounds?
You could only reasonably believe Dess is a human if you skipped over all of Flowey's dialogue. And doing that essentially means you're skipping over the entire narrative of the game.
Sorry for going on this huge rant, this theory just really aggravates me.

>>3800586
Its still possible even with Flowey, we just cant say one way or the other because Toby refuses to give us a specific timeframe for all the events of undertale leading up to Frisk falling.
Flowey was not created until they had at least 2 souls given the wording of the experiment implying they had multiple, possibly even all 6 because Flowey never mentions meeting another human outside chara iirc, and we do not know how much time passed between all of them. We can, however, safely infer that its been a long time between Chara and Frisk because of the Toy Knife saying Plastic is no longer a common material used in objects, and most monsters no longer knowing what humans look like which would only be possible if most of them are descendents of the original sealed monsters and the ones from the first war arent around anymore. If Dess is human, she had to fall around Chara's time before her death, or even before her, and then die by some circumstance before Flowey is created. It's even possible her soul is one of the 6 Asgore has, whether or not asgore killed her being raised by monsters would naturally mean she wants them freed too. Or hell, maybe she died to intentionally give up her soul and that sacrifice is going to be paralled in Deltarune somehow

>>3800591
According to Asgore, Dess is alive
>* But Rudy would be happy to see our world today.
>* His daughters get to grow up in the sunlight.

>>3800591
Dess is alive, though. Asgore says so in the Alarm Clock dialogue.

>>3800593
>>3800594
I mean... the humans do get revived at the end of true pacifist but that would also mean that Noelle is somehow still a child after all that time, even if we wanna say Rudy was a boss monster so...
I admit, in terms of hard evidence Im checkmated here. The best I got is it's not 100% guaranteed she's a monster in both because the DR cast is not a 1:1 mirror of the UT cast. Some are dead when they should be alive, some are alive when they should be dead, some have family that were never present before, some like Berdly straight up didnt exist nor get implied to exist in UT, what's one monster actually being a human? I admit though I have nothing that truly holds weight anymore, I just still find the idea that Dess is a human to make DR's story more interesting, especially Kris' character in particular.

>>3800596
>the humans do get revived
U WOT M8

>>3800600
To be honest, I really hate that theory, but there's just no other explanation for why the coffins are suddenly open in True Pacifist, and bringing the humans back sounds like something Toby wouldve said to try and make the monsters seem even more forgivable

>>3800600
It's Yellow related headcanon. Toriel just buried their corpses off-screen.

>>3800601
>>3800604
I think them getting revived could be cool but the problem is that their bodies are rotted corpses at best, potentially skeletons at worst depending on how far apart the timeline is supposed to be
Though it would be pretty funny for an actual human skeleton to just casually show up and start hanging out with Sans and Papyrus

>>3800616
You can perserve corpses in really good condition for quite a while, but even ignoring that we're talking about the universe with healing magic and man made (7 men specifically) gods. If they were brought back to life its not much of a stretch that their bodies were restored as well

Speaking of corpses, could a human corpse come back to life as a Darkner in the same way a monster's dust can?
Not that there's ever gonna be a chance for this to happen in the story, just hypothetically.

>>3800619
Ask Kris
My theory? They wouldnt be like dustners, they'd become plain darkners. Dustners work because of how monsters handle their dead. The corpse is not the only part that's buried, its an object as well. The Object gives them form, and the Dust gives them mind and memory. Maybe you could cremate a human corpse and bury it with a proper object and get the same effect, but just dumping a corpse in the dark world? At best you get a version of that person with no memories or knowledge of who they were as a lightner, or the people they knew.

>>3800621
This would absolutely never happen and it'd be way too dark and edgy, but imagine if this happened to Kris
Kris dies, probably because the final tragedy prophecy said so, and Susie tries to bring him back by making a Dark Fountain in a room with his corpse. She assumes that because she knew Kris so well during his life, her Fountain would be a "specific darkness" capable of reviving him like Gerson, but another thing Ralsei didn't think to bring up is that it doesn't work like that with human bodies.
So she creates this memoryless, soulless Kris who has no clue who he or anyone around him is. Like if the "she revived Gerson wrong" thing was actually played straight instead of it turning out to be a statue.

>>3800629
Imagine if this is also the only time in the entire game "Kris" gets a textbox, as the immediate tipoff that it failed and it isnt Kris anymore

>>3800629
>I... already told you this, Kris.
>We aren't gonna let that happen.
>And... and not even dying's gonna change that, dumbass!

Do you think there'll be another update to the sweepstakes pages for Chapter 5 content when it's almost done or did Toby only do that because he felt bad it was your taking too long?

>>3800643
Did the TV ever turn on?

Why does The Dark Truth have a part of Lost Girl in it...
https://youtu.be/FMOUlhwQAxI?t=31
https://youtu.be/ArtRuJiTYbI?t=20

https://youtu.be/OkiZqLfotrA

>>3800619
Yes. That's why Kris can't go to a Dark World without a SOUL.

>>3800808
>everyone mantains their original color more or less
>kris looks like an oxygen-deprived body

I just learned you could buy Lancer for less than 999 points. Anyway, he was worth it so I'm not too mad.

>>3800889
>losing to Pippins
I am disappointed

>>3800889
i wonder how many people got tricked by that fucking pippins

You all ready for the lantern remix as a battle theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJ4JJSsJMQ

Revealed to me in a dream:
The "eggs" are actually beads that, when you get all of them, will combine to form a type of rosary. Since getting thee eggs represent helping Kris through mental trauma, the "tail of hell" refers to this process being incomplete, preventing you from fully linking the rosary and leaving that trauma unfulfilled.
This doesn't mean I think there will be five more eggs to get (although I think the Tem egg will be relevant), that part's more symbolic.