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Anonymous No.3816619 >>3816624 >>3816659 >>3816703 >>3816967 >>3816978 >>3816982 >>3817072 >>3817329
Arcanum 2
Yay or nay? What changes would you like to see in continuation of beloved game made by Troika?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fnM6qqZVTo
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJeaPe
Anonymous No.3816624 >>3816628 >>3816672 >>3816977 >>3817220 >>3817300 >>3817360
>>3816619 (OP)
>More NIGGERS and GAY representation, also mandatory felame protsgonist with undercut nu-bloodlines style.
>WoW inspired candy mobile-game like graphics so game could be sold to childeen
>Discretly veiled pedo themes and sex scenes between "humans" and "gnomes/halflings/dwarfs"
>Mandatory minimap and fast travel
>Goofy side kick comedy relief characters you can join to your team
>Main enemy is evil god (just like in original kek)
Anonymous No.3816628
>>3816624
I forgot about crafting and paywalls
Anonymous No.3816659 >>3816681
>>3816619 (OP)
Never gonna happen, so not even worth thinking about.
Anonymous No.3816668
spelled yea, you moron.
Anonymous No.3816672 >>3816676 >>3816682 >>3817291 >>3817300 >>3818363
>>3816624
Also:
>racism bad
>sexism bad
>technocrats bad
>tradition bad
>communist technomagic utopia good
Anonymous No.3816676 >>3816678
>>3816672
I can't tell if you're making a joke or not
Anonymous No.3816678
>>3816676
Sign of the times.
Anonymous No.3816681 >>3816687
>>3816659
Bakersfield happens. Remaster of Oblivion happens. Bwlding Cucks 3 happens
I can only imagine how Larian or other faggy nu-gaming devs would ruin it.
Anonymous No.3816682 >>3816693 >>3816716
>>3816672
>technocrats bad
Is this a thing i nu-games?
Anonymous No.3816687 >>3816688 >>3816706
>>3816681
Arcanum is effectively unknown outside of hardcore RPG circles and even then it's niche and not loved by many.
Comparing Arcanum or Oblivion or Baldur's Gate is beyond being out of touch with reality.

Your best bet is a spiritual successor by a small indie studio. Most likely just a handful of people. But even that will realistically never happen.
Anonymous No.3816688 >>3816715
>>3816687
I mean zoomer scum never played bg2 and atr that shit up without any hesistation. Just buy enough pajeets to spam it everywhere and put some coombait in. Thats literally it
Anonymous No.3816693 >>3816710
>>3816682
Terrible news friend, it's been a thing in games for a long time
Anonymous No.3816703 >>3816712
>>3816619 (OP)
>what changes would you li
I don't. Don't put attention to well loved IPs, we live in an era where anything touched by a gaming company will turn to cancer. Patiently wait
Anonymous No.3816706 >>3816712 >>3816715
>>3816687
A "small indie studio" would just make a shit game, because "small indie studios" aren't professionals, they are also generally retarded.
By this I mean that the writing will be beyond garbage - poland-tier garbage - the aesthetic will not be coherent and if it is, it will be so simplistic as to be unappealing. It'll be asset-packs with a bit of editing applied, spastic writing and an overall unenjoyable experience.
You know this is the truth. Because this is every "small indie studio" when they aren't making an autistic hyper focused nothing-game
Anonymous No.3816710 >>3816746
>>3816693
Any examples?
Anonymous No.3816712
>>3816706
>A "small indie studio" would just make a shit game
Worse, ai slop made by pajeets, a rupee for a poopiee
>>3816703
Wait for what kek, things are not going to change for better. You got entire generation of faggots bred only to consume tiktok sloppa that dress as women. Its over nigger
Anonymous No.3816715 >>3816739 >>3818089
>>3816688
Baldur's Gate is a far bigger name than Arcanum and far more people have heard about it through osmosis. BG also received material every now and then from Wizards.
Again, equating Arcanum to Baldur's Gate in terms of relevance marks you as insanely ignorant.

>>3816706
I'm just being realistic here. No big or even midsized studio will make a sequel to Arcanum. The main people behind it also either work at Obsidian, all spread out across the industry or have left the industry all together. No way Obsidian will be working on an Arcanum game.

Hoping for Arcanum 2 is pointless, because it will never ever happen. If someone wants to sit dreaming about it until their deathbed then by all means, but I'm a realist.
Anonymous No.3816716 >>3816733
>>3816682
Technocrats are bad IRL too but he meant a specific type of hippie like that Greta tard. Extremes are generally not good.
Anonymous No.3816733 >>3816740
>>3816716
Oh. I think it depends really, some RPG openly are pro technology seeing potential in it. I dunno Dragonfall comes to mind, Arcanum... Deus ex is mixed bag
Anonymous No.3816739 >>3816741 >>3817115
>>3816715
>Baldur's Gate is a far bigger name than Arcanum and far more people have heard about it through osmosis.
Everyone who played BG back in the day had also heard of Arcanum, and probably played it.
Anonymous No.3816740
>>3816733
You don't have to be "anti-technology" to be against tech bros. I like the wheel. And the washing machine. And computers obviously.
Anonymous No.3816741
>>3816739
I'm not talking about back in the day, nimrod. But if you want to stick to your ignorance and delusion while hoping for an Arcanum 2, don't let me stop you.
Anonymous No.3816746
>>3816710
Arcanum itself.
It's positive in its portrayal of technology as a whole, but quite blatantly critical about unchecked progress, negative societal effects of such, and oligarchs consolidating power gained through technological exploitation.
Anonymous No.3816751 >>3816755 >>3816777 >>3817305
> "hey anon, a new spritual successor to Arcanum is coming out"
> ask if it's Victorian fantasy or steampunk
> they don't understand
> explain them how substance creates style and how being set in the 19th century would influence how people would actually perceive the world instead of engaging in a worldwide Renaissance fair with cogs slapped on everything
> "it's a good Victorian fantasy game sir"
> play it
> it's steampunk
Anonymous No.3816755 >>3816781 >>3816794
>>3816751
What is "New Arc Line"?
Then again, that only barely pretends to be like Arcanum
Anonymous No.3816777
>>3816751
>Posting this asshole
He is very unlikable prick irl
Anonymous No.3816781
>>3816755
Whatever, I'll take it. Besides it doesn't seem to pozzed garbage yet.
Anonymous No.3816794 >>3818091
>>3816755
It looks like mobile game ...
Anonymous No.3816967 >>3816972 >>3817014 >>3817676
>>3816619 (OP)
Tim discussed on his channel what Arcanum 2, i.e. "Journey to the center of Arcanum" as they called it, was supposed to look like; Troika already started the prep work on it even before the first game shipped. Basically the main plot hook was supposed to be that Franklin Payne, the famous adventurer, designed a strange drilling machine with the purpose of exploring the mythical underworld of Arcanum. However, shortly after embarking on his journey, all contact with him was lost and he was never heard from again. The player would descend into the Earth through the tunnel his machine created, and discover a strange world of ancient lost civilizations, some magical, some technological. One big plot point was supposed to be a discovery of a previously unknown metal that allowed for creating items that combined aspects of both magick and technology, without any drawbacks or side-effects. The premise sounded cool enough, but I kinda disliked they wanted to execute the whole thing in first-person instead of top down.
Anonymous No.3816972
>>3816967
Well that was informative
Anonymous No.3816977 >>3817004
>>3816624
>Discretly veiled pedo themes and sex scenes
But this is what your side actually wants more of
Anonymous No.3816978
>>3816619 (OP)
>obligatory tranny companion that wants to sexually assault CHARNAME, if player refuses they are forced into humiliation ritual and if refuses twice it is game over
That will sell 6 gorrilion copies to modern audiences, trust me zisters.
Anonymous No.3816982
>>3816619 (OP)
A timeskip would be cool. I would like to see arcanum world again after a hundred years.
Anonymous No.3817004
>>3816977
>your side
Fucking american midwits
Anonymous No.3817008
add achievements
Anonymous No.3817014 >>3817416
>>3816967
It being first person and entirely underground clearly means it was meant to be inspired by Ultima Underworld. I would kill to play a Troika UU clone.
Anonymous No.3817072 >>3817074 >>3817201
>>3816619 (OP)
>What changes would you like to see in continuation of beloved game made by Troika?
That's easy.
>less weird inbred portraits from the Confederate era
>no weird nazi propaganda poster
>no fucking rape scenes please, also no creepy implications of it either
>no nonsensical racism by NPCs (why would a smith treat a rich as fuck half-orc customer badly? it doesn't make sense)
>lots of romance options from any sex/gender/race combination
>proper gameplay balance where one playstyle isn't massively OP compared to others
It's really not that hard.
Anonymous No.3817074
>>3817072
I appreciate your dedication to bait, trans-kun
Anonymous No.3817096 >>3817206
why no Fallout 2 like mods for Arcanum?
Anonymous No.3817115 >>3817139
>>3816739
Not even close. BG1 sold far more copies and BG2 even moreso. Troika was really shit at marketing.
Anonymous No.3817139 >>3817158
>>3817115
>Not even close. BG1 sold far more copies and BG2 even moreso. Troika was really shit at marketing.
I don't dispute that BG sold more obviously, but everyone that was playing PC RPGs in the 90s knew what Arcanum was. It wasn't some underground title no one had heard of. While this is anecdotal, every single person I know who bought and played BG at the time also bought and played Arcanum.
>t. was there
Anonymous No.3817158 >>3817169 >>3817217 >>3817235
>>3817139
Not everyone who was playing 90s cRPGs played Arcanum. BG1 alone sold 3 times the amount Arcanum did. It is a cult classic. Your anecdotes do not matter.
>t. playing computer RPGs since 1988
Anonymous No.3817169 >>3817171
>>3817158
You're being intentionally obtuse. Original claim was that people who played BG were likely to know about Arcanum. Then you shift the goalposts to "BG sold more than Arcanum", as if the original claim was "Arcanum was more popular than BG", and then to "not everyone played Arcanum". No shit. You don't have to play a game to be familiar with its existence.
Anonymous No.3817171 >>3817197
>>3817169
>Everyone who played BG back in the day had also heard of Arcanum, and probably played it.
>and probably played it.
I dispute this. My evidence is that Arcanum sold poorly due to many people not even knowing it was released.
It's okay to be wrong.
Anonymous No.3817197 >>3817218
>>3817171
NTA, but you are fucking retarded, work on your comprehension
Anonymous No.3817201
>>3817072
>inbred portraits from the Confederate era
That was best fucking part what are you smoking?
Anonymous No.3817206
>>3817096
Be a change you want tot see.
Anonymous No.3817209 >>3817216 >>3817219
>/vrpg/ makes itself seethe about the way they imagine a game that will never exist might be like
You people get more pathetic every day. I don't know why I even check in here anymore. Even RPG Fagdex has better discussions at this point.
Anonymous No.3817216 >>3817219
>>3817209
For the same reason we all do, Anon. Habit mixed with a pathological expectation that one day you'll find a thread worth participating in rather than simply ever-increasing intensity of absolute fucking dogshit.
Anonymous No.3817217 >>3817218
>>3817158
Everyone knew about Arcanum back then, FAG
Anonymous No.3817218 >>3817221
>>3817197
>>3817217
Wrong, children.
Anonymous No.3817219
>>3817216
>>3817209
What stops you from making such a glorious thread that is worth of your precious attention, professor?
Anonymous No.3817220 >>3817222
>>3816624
>noble savages half-orcs
>philosophers gentle giants half-ogers
>gnomes are our biggest allies
>interracial relationships are the norm
>main story line involves a same sex couple
Anonymous No.3817221
>>3817218
>children
Anonymous No.3817222
>>3817220
>Fiery but mostly peaceful orc protest
Anonymous No.3817235 >>3817253 >>3817265
>>3817158
Everyone pirated arcanum and bought bg1.
While downloading through internet was a thing even back then, downloading 5 cd:s would take you all week. Then there was the thing that no one had hd:s big enough for all of them and you would have to burn the fucking discs.
Arcanum came out few years later. hd:s were bigger, internet was faster, burning 2 discs wasn't as big of a hassle.
Anonymous No.3817242
The only thing gayer than Victorian steampunk is Victorian steampunk with traditional fantasy races and RTWP. Hard pass.
Anonymous No.3817253
>>3817235
>Everyone pirated arcanum
No. Arcanum was never even remotely as popular or well known as Baldur's Gate. Many people didn't even play it at the time. It became a cult classic over time for hardcore RPG players, but never hugely popular.
I have several friends that played BG when it came out and consider that series one of their favorties, yet they have never even heard of Arcanum.
Arcanum isn't even a good game. It just does some interesting things, but you have to deal with all the baggage first which many people today don't even want to deal with.

The name Arcanum has no marketing power. Baldur's Gate managed to secure huge funding because of name recognition and reverence (many RPGs, especially CRPGs, to this dayheavily copy Baldur's Gate). So using the argument "but Baldur's Gate got a sequel" as some evidence of Arcanum having a good chance of getting a sequel is being severerly out of touch.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery and funding a sequel yourself.
Anonymous No.3817255 >>3817257
Arcanum has way too much fantasy racism for a modern day game dev to ever do it justice without it coming off as extremely preachy with a modern Californian blue hair game dev lecturing you. It was the perfect amount of fantasy racism that wasn't some tranny standing on a soapbox telling you that hating gnomes for being conniving scheming kikes was bad. Importantly; it felt realistic in Arcanum, some of it was justified and some of it not, it added to the verisimilitude of the setting.
Anonymous No.3817257 >>3817262
>>3817255
It outright has systemic rape and one of the playable races being a product of that. Try selling that to modern audiences.
Anonymous No.3817262 >>3817299 >>3818013
>>3817257
Exactly what I meant. Hatred of gnomes in-universe is entirely justified based on that (and the only gnome companion being a backstabber, lol). Hatred of orcs, half-ogres (it's not really their fault lol) and the like is a bit more on the "le socio-economic factors" side, anti-capitalist and has some nuance to it.

A modern game dev could never show racism as being justified in any aspect, hell, they've sanitized Dark Elves, Duergar and Orcs from being intrinsically evil races in D&D to being a buncha dindus.
Anonymous No.3817265
>>3817235
We'd rip the movies and audio from the CD.
>t. warezkid
Anonymous No.3817291 >>3817305
Here i thought there would be some serious arcanum discussion instead of faggots shadowboxing
>>3816672
All of this was in Arcanum
Anonymous No.3817299
>>3817262
Why not? I can see larian or any other game studio doing it. Whats going happen small hat tribe walk in their office one day with lawyers saying this is anti semitic. Said game studio has to not spoil anything but release graphic gameplay trailers and release it. Larian did it with bg3.
Anonymous No.3817300
>>3816672
>>3816624
This but unironically and it would be kino.

Arcanum is one specific context in which being le enlightened progressive counterculture gigabrain in a world of retrograde peabrain rayciss doofuses and correcting their pronoun misuse actually might sorta work.
Anonymous No.3817305 >>3817307 >>3817315
>>3817291
Every time there i seriouspost about Arcanum it's all "oooo you're autistic" so it's mostly >>3816751 .
If you want an actual answer, of all the things people want Larian to do, I feel like they'd have a field day with Arcanum.
When you look at the game for more than 5 seconds and stop playing it like Diablo, it actually has a lot of moving parts to it. Shots can be aimed at different body parts, enemy weapons can be broken or taken away from them, almost every door and chest can be broken in with a weapon or a spell, you can play dice to get things from shopkeepers for free etc. Both mages and technologists have access to some wack shit where mages could have a proper duel with silencing, spell reflection, teleportation, stealth and all, while technologists have insane area denial at level 1 where a bunch of Molotov cocktails can clear out an entire are while being 10 levels behind, you can shoot people from half the map away, there can be an army of mechanoids who can heal you at all times. Fatigue being a single resource for both mages and fighters could lead to a situation where you could just kick someone to death if you tank the initial barrage. What Arcanum lacked is combat diversity and interesting combat design. The best parts were, like, that fight against a mage and a gunner in Tarant catacombs, some of the sections in the Black Mountain Clan mines, and maybe bandits in Black Root. The others are just going through a corridor beating up melee monsters.
Larian knows how to make some interesting sections, so they could bring some diversity and variety to all of that to make it shine with minimal changes. Even barrelmancy would be somewhat justified there.
I don't know why people are saying that Arcanum 2 would HAVE to have no racism and everyone must bbe nice because in BG3 every first person is an asshole towards you and giths fling every racial slur in the book at you without care in the world, just like Arcanum but without the nice options.
Anonymous No.3817307
>>3817305
All of that is true but most arcanum enemies are generic melee niggas.
I dont think you ever fight enemy gunmen or wizards. All this lore about the UK gunning down the Magical Knights but everyone still runs around with their plus one sword.
Anonymous No.3817315 >>3817324 >>3817327 >>3817361 >>3817731
>>3817305
BG3 is the exception not the rule and is still filled with woke nonsense that make it barely playable
but more importantly, people just don't want to see IPs that they liked and consider dead to be dug up and dragged around in the mud so that modern copros can cash in the nostalgia
Anonymous No.3817324
>>3817315
>people just don't want to see IPs that they liked and consider dead to be dug up and dragged around in the mud so that modern copros can cash in the nostalgia
This.
Anonymous No.3817327 >>3817333
>>3817315
>BG3 is the exception not the rule and is still filled with woke nonsense that make it barely playable
I expected the "current year" pozlitics. What i didn't expect was for the game to completely shit itself and break it's scripting at the beginning of act II, and to melt my GPU at the beginning of act III. Baldur's Gape 3 fucking sucks, completely independent of any and all "wokeness"
Anonymous No.3817329
>>3816619 (OP)
I wish I loved the Victorian era magic vs tech concept.
Anonymous No.3817333
>>3817327
>melt my GPU at the beginning of act III
I played it at launch on a 3080 and I went from 120fps in act 1 to 60 in act 3, occasionally chugging down to 30, which I found hilarious since bg1 ran at 30 fps. Some faggot streamer on a 3090 running a prerelease copy had lows of 20 fps. Larian tried going
>uh uh uhhhh it’s the uhhhhhh puddles!
Anonymous No.3817360
>>3816624
Based, heres few of my additions
>tech BAD we need to de-industrialize cos of climate change
>entirety of the game dialogue based around current politics. people on the streets are discussing how trump is bad and trans rights
>trans rights
>all settlements are mixed whites asians and niggers
>elves mixed with ogres, have to kill chud elves which protest it cos they are nazis
>plot if fighting evil tehcnocrats on orders of local halfling community (bankers) which has halfling lobby and behind all progressive shit. in the end you need to gencoide everyone but its okay cos they are goyim amalek animals.
>quest to go back to arcanum1 quest about crosbreeding, set it up and cover it up
>satanic rituals
>child rape and killings and cannibalism
>killing of cops which tried to arrest orcs
>other progressive themes
Anonymous No.3817361
>>3817315
BG3 is a woke game, it just that you as a player have agency to never see most woke because game is very reactive and well structured so you think any woke shit cringe you can just say "lol no die" and "I am not dealing with your shit fuck off". I blamer undercooked act3 for inability to force refugees to fight on city walls like minthara suggests.
Anonymous No.3817416
>>3817014
Not sure if that was what they were aiming for or just wanted to stay up to date with the modern trends at the time; after all VtMB was a FPS/TPS hybrid. Tim mentioned how Ultima III: Exodus is one of the five games that influenced him the most, so you might not be that far off the mark.
Anonymous No.3817632
Would be cool if it was based mostly in a big tech city as industry expanded to modernize the world. Magic is pretty much gone since the forests have been cut down, and elves either left or went extinct. Maybe some conflict involving steam tanks and such, WW1 style.
Anonymous No.3817660
I don`t care as long as I can spam agility of fire starting from level 1
Anonymous No.3817676 >>3817777 >>3818017
>>3816967
I usually don't like "ideas guys" but damn Tim had a lot of neat ideas back in the day. The average ideas guy today wishes they had half his creativity.
Anonymous No.3817731 >>3817813
>>3817315
I'm saying that Arcanum's gameplay formula could be easily adapted and made better by Larian due to similarities with Arcanum's and Divinity: Original Sin's toolset, where the former had a good foundation but lacked variety while the latter has experience with providing exactly that.
Ultimately, talking about Arcanum is like talking about Touhou because the ratio of people in both who have only heard about it from YouTube to people who have actually played it or tried to understand what kind of game it is 150 to 1. I'd be fine if those YouTube videos never existed and Arcanum remained a niche 19th century fantasy RPG played by three-and-a-half Russians because the amount of actual discussion has remained the same.
Anonymous No.3817748
New Arc Line exists. I question whether it'll be able to match up to Arcanum - probably not - but I played the EA and I liked it so far.
Anonymous No.3817777 >>3818095
>>3817676
I mean, Tim was not just the idea guy, he was THE lead programmer most of the time. Regardeless, apart from Arcanum 2, all of the unrealized Troika projects sounded cool af:
>unnamed LotR rpg in the Arcanum engine that would follow the unsung exploits of the "shadow fellowship", a group of heroes sent ahead of the FotR to scout/clear the way for them as much as possible (approved by Tolkien estate btw)
>postapoc rpg codenamed "Epic" that was supposed to be Fallout 1's spiritual successor in a completly new and different world; combined FPS and top-down perspectives you could alternate between
>"Dreadlands", an rpg set in the mythical mid 19th century Eastern Europe as spiritual successor to Darklands, with an option for online multiplayer.
Seeing how great Arcanum, ToEE and VtMB were, I guess if Troika managed to create a fourth game, universe would have imploded or something.
Anonymous No.3817813 >>3817817 >>3817982 >>3818020
>>3817731
What kind of faggot ever compares Arcanum to larianslop in any context? Unironically kill yourself. None of the lariantrash is ever above 3/10 and shouldn't be talked about under any circumstances
Anonymous No.3817817
>>3817813
Divine Divinity is legitimately a better crafted game than anything Troika has ever made.
Anonymous No.3817982
>>3817813
lol seething tranny, larian games are staple of rpg, bg3 might be best rpg ever made
Anonymous No.3818013
>>3817262
>lol
>lol
Opinion discarded, havent read that horse shit
Anonymous No.3818017
>>3817676
That shit sounds fucking awful. What are you smoking and why is it Tims dick?
Anonymous No.3818020
>>3817813
Arcanum's gameplay is clicking things until they die. I don't like BG3's story, writing or characters much but saying that Larian gameplay wouldn't be an objective improvement to Arcanum is peak contrarianism
Anonymous No.3818089
>>3816715
It is a good thing that obsidian won't work on it. That pile of shit has never produced anything of note - except garbage so repugnant as to be an achievement in itself.
Anonymous No.3818091 >>3818112
>>3816794
You type like a pole
Anonymous No.3818095 >>3818157
>>3817777
>shadow fellowship
That sounds almost as gay as Shadow of Mordor
>epic
Mindless early 3D era screen rape action game (not rpg)
>Dreadlands
slavslop
Man you just made me realise it's a good thing that homosexual and his troikoids went out of business
Anonymous No.3818112 >>3818165
>>3818091
Tick tuck
Ameri
Mutt
Anonymous No.3818157
>>3818095
>dishonest discord tranny is dishonest and seething
how original
Anonymous No.3818165
>>3818112
illiterate moron
Anonymous No.3818363
>>3816672
i'd add
Arcanum 1 gnome conspiracy questline revealed to be actually backed by rich white men for reasons. Why the gnomes were victims all along!