Thread 3824364

The only good game they made was Icewind Dale 1.

>>3824364 (OP)
That's a mod for bioware's game baldurs gate

>>3824364 (OP)
they didn't make that game

>>3824383
/thread

>>3824383
>>3824404
what is Black Isle?

>>3824364 (OP)
HoW was good too

>>3824416
>what is Black Isle?
Not Obsidian Entertainment. Unless you consider Chris Avellone's shitty ideas a form of legal continuity.

>>3824911
Most people from Obsidian came from Black Isle. Why do you think they chose the name 'Obsidian'. Because it's black.

>>3824364 (OP)
You are wrong, but I forgive you

>>3825007
Feargus Urquhart wanted to save "Black Isle" for his own studio but Interplay was seriously going to call their RPG division "Dragonplay" so he sacrificed it to avoid the indignity.

>>3824364 (OP)
What about tyranny?

>>3824364 (OP)
Behead Icewind Dale likers

Nah, but it's getting harder to remember what good games they have done.

>>3824364 (OP)
Best game they did was alpha protocol.
Everything else was just copying other studios.

>>3825754
Incel Protocol

>>3824383
/thed.

>>3825754
>>3825780
Ya that's a lot of lying sluts silenced. "Alright, but before you do, let me keep fucking talking cause I'm literally a woman so I can't shut the fuck --" BOOM bitch.

>>3825754
TWD

>>3825780
When a person:
>Lies to you
>Manipulates you
>Kills security personal
>Commits treason
>Supplies terrorists with weapons
>Attempts to destabilize western governments
>Attempts to launch nukes
>Attempts to have you killed
>Attempts to kill you herself

And your options are:
>Let them go
>Reason with them
>Shoot them in the face

It's not so incel as it is the only logical thing to do. If you're thinking we should should forgive them because they happen to be a woman that would make you the incel.

>>3825824
>And your options are:
>>Let them go
>>Reason with them
>>Shoot them in the face
No option to voluntarily end celibacy. Because it's an incel game.

>>3824364 (OP)
>Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords
>Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
>Fallout: New Vegas
>South Park: The Stick of Truth
>Pillars of Eternity
>Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
>Pentiment
All of these were good, though.

>>3825912
>Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords
Sequel/riding coat-tails
>Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
Sequel/riding coat-tails
>Fallout: New Vegas
Sequel/riding coat-tails
>South Park: The Stick of Truth
Good, but they can't really claim the credit, the game was written and designed by Matt and Trey and developed under their heavy supervision. They basically played Amazon and acted as a fulfillment center for what they dictated.
>Pillars of Eternity
[endless walls of over-descriptive text]
>Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
[endless walls of over-descriptive text]
>Pentiment
I'll give you this one. It's actually pretty solid.

>>3824364 (OP)
IWD2's main campaign was better, but the 2 expansions for IWD1 were epic, I'll give you that.

>>3825950
>IWD2's main campaign was better
Maybe from a power gaming perspective. But the campaign of IWD2 was too mechanical. Felt more like combat puzzles and moving from arena to arena. Like modern horde shooters (Doom 2016, Boltgunm, etc.).

IWD1 felt like a real journey and adventure. The atmosphere and soundtrack was great.

>>3825007
>>3824416
Then we all agree that Beamdog is old Bioware.

>>3825927
Nobody thinks pointless contrarianism is cool.

>>3826134
He is right. Obsidian never did a good RPG or game (besides Pentiment) and their Black Isle stuff.

>>3824364 (OP)
>The only good game they made was Icewind Dale 1.

Obsidian pretty much only makes good games, but never great ones. They also never get a bigger budget than a sack of peanuts.

>>3825927
>>Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
>Sequel/riding coat-tails
Of their own game? Fucking retard.

>>3826159
>They also never get a bigger budget than a sack of peanuts.
The vidya equivalent of 'real communism has never been tried'.

>>3824364 (OP)
bait thread oc
but I'm gonna take the opportunity to praise IWD games
the 2nd while obviously rushed and has several of "that level" moments is on paper a better computer game
but 1st has so much charm it's unreal

also it's the game I always recommend as what a properly designed railroady-structured D&D campaign should be like
and if you want the closest vidya to replicate the feeling of a D&D tabletop campaign look no further

>>3825912
all that sucked gorilla dick. people only know these gaylords from new vegas and gaslighting other studios games and how their shit games actually werent shit

>>3824364 (OP)
One of the few studios actually making actual WRPGs today, yet this board throws shitfits about them constantly as if they raped their dog. That makes them based.

>>3826253
>people only know these gaylords from new vegas
Zoom zoom

>>3826273
it's just a handful of obsessed retards and cuckdex refugees [possibly the same people]

>>3826096
Beamdog has Trent Oster and who else exactly? Gaider was there for about a minute before he fucked off to Australia. Obsidian has the same upper management as Black Isle, Feargus Urquhart, Chris Parker, and Darren Monahan. The lower employees come and go as they always do.

I never played the Southpark game.
But I can identify right after this point, their games were no longer fun.

>>3826220
>also it's the game I always recommend as what a properly designed railroady-structured D&D campaign should be like
Railroads are bad.
But yeah they are the Railroad studio.

It was my main criticism of the Dungeon Siege games. long before I comprehended IWD and Dungeon siege were made by the same people.
You visit a town once, then you forget that town ever existed.
If you do take your trouble backtracking to the previous town, you will be met with disappointment:
-the NPCs repeat the same thing
-they are frozen in time
-they have the same troubles as when you left them
-their sales invnntories never changed

This shit will make you depressed. It's no wonder BG2 is considered the god of CRPGs, litterally a masterpiece in comparison.

>>3824366
All their games pre POE are mods

>>3825754
I AP is great buts its just Mass Effect but modern setting

>>3826159
Avowed prove they make mid games despite the budget

>>3826273
Its been seven years since POE2 came out

They had a huge pause with inactivity from 2011 to 2014.

This is most likely when they swapped their former Gen X developers with new quirky Millenials developers.
And their games has sucked dicks ever since.
I apologise on behalf of the Millenial generation, I'm terribly sorry we fucked up the western video game space.

>>3828608
>Avowed prove they make mid games despite the budget
Anon, Avowed also had a peanuts budget.

Outer Worlds 2 is the only game of theirs that even has a moderate budget.

>>3826273
>actual WRPGs
I think it's time to admit JPRGs won...

>>3828624
>Anon, Avowed also had a peanuts budget.
Source?
>Outer Worlds 2 is the only game of theirs that even has a moderate budget.
Source?

>>3828643
Try using google, I'm not your mom

>>3828612
>seven years since POE2
It's over.. isn't it? PoE3 will never happen.

Let's wait and see if the Zoomie generation can make PoE3 good.

>>3828644
I'm not the anon you were arguing with, and was genuinely curious where you were sourcing your information, because I found your claim improbable. However, now I see that you are simply pulling it out of your ass, and are merely making shit up.

>>3828646
It is unironically over. Any hope we had for a market full of great CRPG's is dead in the water.

>>3828657
Sorry for expecting people to do the bare minimum of staying informed about RPGs on an RPG board in a topic about a specific company. I should've expected ignorant manchildren that want everyone else to bookmark and save sources for everything they say to spoonfeed them or they lash out and call people liars.

>>3828764
The millenial generation of CRPG developers have pretty much become defunded due to incompetence
Even microsoft is laying people off left and right.

Zoomie generation will likely become even more incompetent than millenial generation. You're right, there is no hope ahead.

>>3828850
I accept your graceful concession, anon. Good day to you.

>>3828951
>you didn't spend 2 hours arguing over what is valid source or not to prove that the earth is round and not flat? haha, that means i win
The mind of the ignorant close-minded idiot is a curious thing.

Game budget is tied to staff size. 80-100 devs is not a big team and this was when the project was in full production. This dev number is widely available, even on wikipedia, even if you don't know how to use google.
Since Obsidian owns the IP and setting, they didn't need to pay any rights holder.
Now naturally a lot of this you won't understand because you don't know how game dev works, so you would screech for hours on end for source on every little thing, since that's what you're here for, shitposting and arguing.

But of course this also goes right back at you. Since you are adamant about being "right" (you you parroted cocession buzzword) which means you clearly have facts to support that the game had a very high budget (which of course regardless of the number, you will say it is, since it fits your narrative).

Go on, show the class you're only here to shitpost and argue. Not to actually discuss.

>>3828646
Josh Sawyer was really bitter/sad over Pillars 2 underperforming and a likely reason why they've moved back to 3D slop. With Avowed being janky I hope we get a Pillars 3 (with Avalone as well if I can have all my wishes)

>>3829027
>Josh Sawyer was really bitter/sad over Pillars 2 underperforming
He should've stuck closer to the already established gold standard formula. He deviated too far from that and got bit in the ass.

>>3829027
I'm more nervou about Microsoft. Recently they put their studios on th chopping blocks, means there is now more scarcity to the funding.
Obsidian could be 1-2 games away from mass layoff.

>>3829079
It sold well over time so now he just blames bad marketing for it. He's willing to do PoE 3 but only if it gets a BG3-sized budget.

>>3829187
>BG3-sized budget
At this point, only Tencent is ballzy enough to give this type of funding to incompetent millenials/zoomers.

>>3824364 (OP)
Icewind Dale 2 was fine