Thread 2052538

>Almost 2 months between threads
>Brazil still just has some loc left
Time is a flat circle.

https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5pdqt.png - Japan rework. OTL PMs only, please.
https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev back from break, will respond to all bait.
https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.
https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc with mandatory non-canon nukes.
https://files.catbox.moe/m4x325.png - Fash Brazil content you'll never get to play.
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.
https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia flowchart #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png - Croatia flowchart #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png - Thailand flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.png - Turkestan Legion rework flowchart.

https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.
https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.
https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbean
https://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Morocco
https://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.

>4chan goes down and up, an Indo-Pak conflict starts and stops, and still no Brazil/Russia dev diary in the interim
>Q2 years later: After missing the Easter deadline, Brazil is announced to make its Q2 release after years of reworks and purges
>Buckbroken Rapop allegedly replaced by a 16-year old boy as lead, actually gets the job done
>Ex-dev leaks plans for TT4: More buildings, civilian tech and player agency in the economy, all shut down by TNO's code lead for containing gameplay
>Several old TNO builds leaked giving anons insights into content cut after the nu-dev coup
>TNO Rises Again (AKA the KF fork) set to integrate cut content from said leaks, saving the hard work of actual devs from becoming lost media
>TNO reopens writing apps after losing numerous writers to better mods
>Nuclear non-option: 2WRW/TNO:R announces that players will be able to enter core territories without triggering a game over
>Africa Addio: Noted vexatious litigant Kateryna refuses to deny DV integration, sparking fears that the RKs and SAW will be deleted sooner than expected
>USA co-lead and notorious Democrat activist QuoProQuid calls for the execution of all KR devs for not blackwashing Huey Long sufficiently for his tastes, flame war ensues

>BEWARE
TNO jannies started to astroturf the thread again the moment the new release date was announced.
>LEAK REQUEST
First, thanks to the anon who reuploaded the leaked builds last thread! However, the links were reported by TNO devs and got taken down. A reupload to a more reliable host would be appreciated!

Sometimes I pretend to be a dev to bait anons

>>2052558
>Be you
>Make up outrageous lies, the stupidest shit ever, the worst reworks imaginable
>"Hehehe, I sure riled up anon!"
>Fast forward 6 months
>A leak drops proving that anon's worst trolling was nowhere near as bad as the actual rework they just revealed

>>2052559
Nah I just pretend I like nuTNO and shill it hard. Sometimes I don't even try and just copypaste reddit posts. It's surprisingly very effective.

So will ultranat Chita be a fun Black Hundreds romp like Rodzaevsky is in Red Flood?

TFO DEV BLOG #3: IMPLEMENT, IMPLEMENT, IMPLEMENT,
yippie, another dev blog @teaser ! gonna keep this short again.

EUROPE
>implementation still ongoing,
>new France starting situation, waiting on GFX.,
>klopfer tree waiting on BIG WELD to REVIEW because he has been CODING,

The Americas:
>churning, churning, churning out loc like never before now that people are free from school. From Brazil to the US, work is being done.,
>GUI gfx work and design has commenced for Rumsfeld,
>Kennedy tree is looking towards design completion, forpol + econ + special trees are all that's left. Review soon.,
>Canada's initial starting situation is implemented.,
>Falklands War work continues :TM:,
>Colombia starting situation coding begins this coming week,

ASIA
>China testing is complete, should be good for a teaser soon ™,
>Philippines 3SJW lead-up related loc implementation begins this coming week, teaser soon ™,
>Manchuria GFX slowly trickling out, focus tree design for 1980-1983 estimated to be complete by the 30th.,

AFRICA
>last vestiges of Kerroism/OTL bullshit removed.,
>West Africa Dev revived,
>West African Starting Situation is implemented after coding for 14 hours straight yesterday,
>new GFX, tag names, leaders, pie charts, etc. are updated throughout Africa,
>Liberia, Cote d'Ivoire skeleton WIP,
>new Horn of Africa Situation being implemented next week if i don't die from exhaustion

>>2052579
Imagine wasting this much time on something shackled to a corpse.

>>2052579
Nothing ever happens bros... our response?

Please stop posting here, Big Weld.

>>2052672
You can annex more land if you decline finland's initial peace offer and push deeper, but you won't be able to full annex them, they'll surrender midway through and you'll have to accept it. I think it was all the way up to modern day russia's borders or something close

>>2052589
Nah I actually like devtroons posting here, their attempts at making their mod not look like unplayable OTList snoozefest are far more entertaining than the mod itself. Dare I say, arguing with a devnigger is better gameplay than actually playing their """content"""

>>2052545
Reupload all the leaks to a Mail.ru cloud, they don't give two fucks about westerners and their dmca requests, doubly so when it's not even a real company or institution making them

>>2052692
Both 2WRW and TNO:RA uses the old Finland peace deal with the OTL borders upon unconditional surrender and 2WRW have said that they'll let players fuck over Finland even harder after national unification.

Meanwhile, over in the land of realism and reworks...

>>2052579
>Kennedy
The murderer? Since TFO is a narrative mod, I hope they explore what having a murderer for President means.

>>2052696
I miss the days when Big Weld would come in here like he was the king of the world and flaunt his island skeletons. Basically the HOI4 modding version of a nigger flaunting ten bucks and feeling like he's da kang of da hood.

>>2052732
That was not me.

>>2052732
Weld doesn't actually message in these threads, it's just some anon in the TFO comm server popping in and posting random things from there

>>2052739
>I-It's totally not me promoting my mod!
>It's a lone poster completely unaffiliated with anyone!
Big Glowie.

Dead mod

>>2052745
>Dea-ACK

>>2052748
>Reposting this thing in the new thread
>Expecting a different response to your desperate attempt to convince people that your mod isn't dead

>>2052692
thanks by the way the im anon that created the question , still kinda sad i cant anexed all filand , cuz only having your land back that got lost from ww2 , its kinda mid since filand can be consired russian land

>>2052816
The left can't meme.

>>2052816
The right one unironically, it's the only honest one

Reminder their guidelines forbid designers from making fun skeleton content.

>>2053186
>Never include Easter eggs I tried once but yeah I killed Bulgaroslavia fuck that
>Invasions are never happening fuck you
>Having multiple outcomes at the end? Oof, not happening
>Your tag being playable ain't happening but we'll restrict things as if it is
>Fill in form 8525§ if you want your tag to interact with this minor member of an alliance
>Hold it with those news events! We don't have a budget for that!
>Oof, Germany ain't got time for negotiations, you're just going to have to accept your tag eating shit, son
>Another Russian warlord might be cool, but wouldn't you rather have nothing ever happening?
Oh my God this feels so unfun. I get some of these but even with the sensible ones ("check with the other tag's lead") it's just so much red tape. God! How do they even put up with this?

(continuing from the previous thread)
A Brazil dev confirmed that there will be 5 proxies in the Crow and Bull Transformative update (CBT):
>West African War (for Lacerda, who can support the french)
>South African War (for both, to support South Africa)
>Acquisition of Nuclear Weapons (for Lacerda, who wants american nukes, dk how this counts as a proxy)
>Paraguayan War (pre-existing crisis updated, communists can now win, it can trigger an early Brazil-Argentina war which counts as a failstate)
>Guiana-Cayenne (Brazil can annex it depending on circumstances and player decisions, Lacerda can return it to the Free French, possibly in this update or not)

Also Worth Noting:
>Bolivia (its getting a new skeleton and interactions, unknown if it counts as a proxy)
>Colombia (supposedly was getting interactions with Brazil, unknown if in this update)
>Uruguay (getting new skeleton in Argentina's update)

>>2053281
>Think they talk about adding new proxies
>Nope it's just letting Brazil interact a bit with them
>Minigames count as proxies now??
>"More reworked skeletons, anon!"
Thanks, I hate it.

2WRW guys have the chance to do the funniest thing ever tomorrow.

>>2053318
They've all but confirmed that they're pushing their own planned release forward so that they don't release at the same time. The only way any of this ends up being funny is if TNO decided to release their thing unfinished in response to 2WRW announcing their release date but that's a level of stupid I wouldn't even expect from the nu-devs.

Your best hope is for a chink mod to drop out of the blue that steals their thunder. That's what happened to the Mexico update. Good times.

>>2053326
darn

>>2053329
It's for the best anon. Also modding shouldn't be a retarded contest. But if you want that then your best bet is to look at TFR's reaction since the two have an active rivalry.

>>2053281
There's also the Andean Treaty Negotiations which if they fail it triggers the Bolivian Mining Wars so that's 2 more proxies

>>2052748
>no mention of white genocide

>>2053487
Is that a minigame and what is the war about

>>2053326
What chink mod?

>>2053519
>Is that a minigame
Yes
>and what is the war about
Not a real war. Mechanic where each of the ABC countries fight for influence over Bolivia by empowering different social groups and institutions. See the flowchart

>>2053520
Long and Arduous Road, a Chinese submod which added the Great Asian War that was released a few days after the Mexico demo which simply buried it.

Today Brazil arrives, what is the most evil path in it?

>>2053543
Imperial Lacerda

>>2053547
How evil is he?

>>2053566
Uses the military to coup the government and make himself dictator. Privatizes state industries, destroys the labor laws from the varguist era, kills lefties, kills the homeless to make poverty go down.

>>2053318
>highly anticipated
lol
lmao even
yeah internal brazilian politics are exactly the thing people are most hyped about in an axis won wargame, I to-o-otally believe that

>>2053570
In their discord echo chamber it is

>>2053569
Cool!

>>2053530
I really wish these people would stop pretending that a pointless minigame is a proxy or that anyone gives a shit about this type of content.

>>2053569
>It's every single corrupt politician in South America
>In a mod where National Socialism and industrial genocide is the norm in large parts of the world
Wow not only is it fucking nothing it's significantly tamer than most European content was before they whitewashed the NSDAP and had Hitler free the slaves.

>>2053570
It's highly anticipated compared to all their other reworks since at least it adds something instead of being an objective downgrade.

>>2053616
I take what evil i can get. I still want an extremely evil communist path.

>>2053617
Have you tried TWR? It's also a pozzed germany sort of won ww2 libwank scenario but
1) there is actual gameplay there
2) it's very heavy on all the politics stuff, there are like 20 strains of communism across the USSR remnants alone, and from what I could gather the differences are mainly in event fluff, might be up your alley anon

>>2053623
God I can't believe we've reached the point where people here are so buckbroken by TNO's total collapse that we're unironically recommending TWR and that genuinely seems like a much better alternative at this point.

>>2053623
>TWR
>heavy on the politics stuff
Have we played the same mod?

>>2053636
You know how things that were completely horrible when we were younger seem ok now because standards have collapsed over the years? It's like that.

>>2053623
>TWR
Red Flood*

We're all going back to loving TNO after crow and BVLL right?

>>2053652
Yes. We're so back.

>>2053652
LOL. LMAO.

>>2053652
never stopped loving tno

>>2053623
I played it, but it is kinda boring to get through.

>>2053623
TWR doesn't have the same narrative depth as TNO

>>2053681
>Give me 6000 events about trans rights in third world countries

>>2053690
I just want the characters to feel like real people, not just pngs on a screen.

>>2053690
There is nothing wrong with TNO's writing heavy focus, when they actually make fucking content that anybody cares about.
Release Penelopes Web already

>>2053692
>>2053696
Go back to your devcord.

>>2053699
Shut up nigger. TNO used to be good but devs fucked it, if you cant even admit that then the fuck are you even doing here.

>>2053696
This, TNO has always been storytelling heavy, the difference is that back in Panzer days those stories were actually interesting AND had actual gameplay alongside them

>>2053690
TWR also drowns you with news events about Maldives joining the UN or some literal who meme nation that you won't even find on the map descending into their third civil war/coup/rebellion of this month, but there aren't any trans events, I'll give them that

>>2053714
News events are the bare minimum. They don't count.

>>2053715
Yeah there's not much storytelling otherwise
Then again it's hoi4, if I want compelling storytelling I'll go play a VN or something

>>2053718
How many geopolitical VNs are out there? Only Suzerain and the Kremlingames games, not much else. There's nothing wrong with a hoi4 mod focusing on that stuff.

>>2053720
Well you have TNO for that (do not confuse with nutno)

>>2053706
I thought you were making excuses for the new garbage, mb. Panzer/Pacifica era stuff was fine because for the most part they managed to get some creativity in there instead of huffing their farts about how much of a Wiki scrape it is.

>>2053636
I meant the fact that there are a ton of ideologies and sub-ideologies in the mod. If you are one of those chosen few who knows the difference between Revolutionary Communism, Ultravisionary Communism, Authoritarian Communism and Vanguardist Communism and it is really important to you that your country follows specifically this particular strain and not the others then you'll likely enjoy TWR. I'm personally not a big fan of this since hoi4 doesn't even have a political system to speak of, they should have done all this in v2 instead where it would have mattered

From the doc leaks, I thought Tyumen was gonna be a cucked "Stalin bad, 10 billion genocided in gulags" path, but the discord Q&As gave me a bit hope when the lead said that in the party path it can become one of the best USSRs and that it's actually commited to communism.

>>2053849
>Stalin
I thought it was Bukharin who led the USSR? Or did they rewooork that one too

>>2053854
Copying from the discord because the lore was changed slightly since the dev diary
basically Bukharin and Stalin rule as allies
because the Right cannot govern without the help of the Center
this alliance slowly breaks down over disputes with foreign policy and economics but remains relatively strong until 1942
where in the later days of that year, following the fall of Stalingrad, the Supreme Soviet convened and Stalin let out all of his and the Center's frustrations with Bukharin and basically said that He Should Get The Hell Out, leading to the Bukharin supporters to leave because they see this is a clown show - giving Stalin the chance to, with dubious legality, reshuffle the Politburo to kick out the Rightists and put the Centrists in power
then Stalin fails to turn the war around and after some military mismanagement Ryutin and Yagoda declare that Stalin is unfit to lead and hope to peacefully overthrow him
but it didn't work out
causing civil war where there were 2 USSRs
one in Moscow (later Tyumen) and one in Irkutsk
Irkutsk is generally recognized by more people because the Allies preferred the Rightists to the Stalin regime
Sergei Kirov succeeded Stalin after his death in 1950 and rules until game start

>>2053849
Too bad it's
>Never being released
>Deletes an entire tag and replaces it with something that'll be worse in spots
Also lul, peak Corn logic. Le funny science tag is the worst hellscape ever, Stalinism and the NKVD securocracy are wholesome.

>>2053854
It was reworked so that Bukharin led the USSR but he was couped during the war by Stalin who's mad and evil and this completely fucked up the USSR and means you shouldn't ask questions about the defeat. The fact that this screws over Stalina's lore, Tyumen's old lore, removes everything that originally made Tyumen unique and much more is, of course, completely irrelevant to the devs.

>>2053860
>The USSR had a civil war between Stalin and Bukharin in the middle of WW2
This is even stupider than I remember it.
Also the thread has clowned on the choice to go with Kirov since the original leak.
>hehe what if the guy Stalin killed was the big boss in the Stalinist tag?

>>2053849
Keep me informed commietroon.

>>2053866
>NKVD securocracy
Nah they said it's the worst Tyumen path.
>by Stalin who's mad and evil
The new lore fixed this by giving him an actual understandable reason to kick Bukharin out. It's not perfect but still an improvement.
>removes everything that originally made Tyumen unique
You're gonna hate me for this but I think nuTyumen is miles better than the current version, which is either le evil Stalinism or wholesome Khruschev OTLism.
>the guy Stalin killed
Grover Furr already debunked this.
>>2053873
Some info I found using the search function
>The previous duality was between Stalinism and reformism. Which was hardly proper for a Stalinist tag, the bastion of an ideological divide that split the Union after its defeat. Now, all paths within Tyumen will be reflections of different aspects of Stalinism.
>Tyumen is not recognized internationally, No relations with the US at game start. The Stalin government didn't endear itself to the US by losing the war. However, should Tyumen start to emerge as the victory of regional struggles and begin reunification, America will have no issues with confirming it as the legitimate government
>In many ways, M-L as it is under Kirov will have endured with little changes from the years of Stalin's rule - which, if compared to an equivalent, would be closest to wartime/early post-war Stalinism, but extended over more than a decade and a half. It will be up to Kirov's successors to decide the future of M-L, which facet of Stalin's legacy carries on more strongly. Kirov's sole goal was the preservation of the nation and legitimacy, impossible task that the Tyumen government desperately held on to.
>Saburov (party) path is about defanging the NKVD, entrenching the Party-state, preserving the ML dictatorship of the proletariat and guiding the USSR closer to communism.
>Tyumen wont unify with communist states unwilling to recognise its legitimacy as the primary national authority. Expect MLs to peacefully unify with Tyumen.

>>2053895
>Yagoda is in Tyumen
Yeah this is off to a great start.
>New lore fixed this
It's bad, stop touting your own horn.
>This is better cuz muh politics
You're right I do hate you but only because you're a dumb cunt that keeps reworking tags for no reason.
>UHM achualie
Fuck off, devnigger.

>>2053901
Yagoda is not in Tyumen, where did you get that from? The Tyumen NKVD is led by Yezhov.
I'm not a dev, I copied all that from the ask a dev channel. I'm not shilling the rework either, I'm still skeptical of it.

>>2053904
Irkutsk is the tag Corn has said would be the best commie tag in the past. That's what I'm referencing.
>I'm not a dev
>I'm skeptical
You're defending a rework literally no one asked for. Of course people will think you're a dev.

>>2053908
Corn is a bitch and likes to larp as a Ukrainian of course he would like Yagoda more. The guy in charge of Tyumen is not him though, it's some guy named SlavNextDoor.

>>2053913
Corn LARPs as a Ukrainian
#DraftCorn

>>2052816
Torn between Lacerda and Barros.

Lmao they dropped the changelog in the channel and immediately deleted it

>>2053939
The whole thing is a nonstop blunderfest into the last. What was in it?

>>2053942
It went off so fast I couldnt even copy paste. I imagine someone made a mistake

The cuck and the bull

WHERE IS THE FUCKING UPDATE NIGGER

>>2053958
The Cuck (TFR) and the Bvll (TNO)

All I'm looking forward is Rapop finally resigning in disgrace like he promised to.

>>2053960
Rapop is burning in hell because my content is better

THE TESTING LEAD JUST SAID THE UPDATE IS NOT IN A GOOD STATE TO RELEASE TODAY
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHSHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>2053963
Your content is better than complete garbage? Well that's nice.

>>2053965
Screenshot or it didn't happen.
Also if true Mango will push for a release anyway and purge people when people complain about crashes.

>>2053965
Proof or gtfo

>>2053965
Don't even joke about that stuff. I'm so starved for something fun to happen. It'll release and just be moderately awful and everything will be boring and miserable as always.

>>2052816
Blue no matter who (so Lacerda)

>>2053969
>>2053970
>>2053974

>>2053965
>>2053998
>They delay it at the last second

>>2053998
I don't believe this.

>>2053998
>He left and rejoined the server

>Nothing posted to the Reddit about it being canceled
The suspense is killing me. Is anon trolling us or did they actually introduce quality controls?

Get it? Cuz it's a dead mod

Meanwhile kateryna

>>2054070
What is their Rule 4 anyways?

>>2054070
>He has his tranime persona as his role icon
He's going to have a long, miserable night.

>>2054072
All posts and discussions should be appropriate for the chat they’re posted in.

>>2054076
So basically a vague rule to shut down anything they dislike? Lord knows they don't clamp down on shitposting when it's something they like.

THEY POSTED AND DELETED IN THE CHANGELOG CHANNEL AGAIN
COME ON

So is the update happening or not?

The spirit of Panzer is making sure the reworks never release.

>>2054091
Did you catch a screenshot or copy paste of it or anything?

>>2054097
YES
its FUCKING kateryna typing "hi" and deleting it to troll
FUCK THIS CREATURE

>>2054094
GLORY TO OUR ETERNAL LEADER!
GLORY TO HE WHOSE SPIRIT PROTECTS US FROM THE REWORKS!
NIGGA HEIL PANZER! NIGGA HEIL PANZER!

>>2054098
Most mature tranny-janny.

The tranny did it for a third time. Didnt even fall for it this time, hope she ropes though

>>2053969
>>2053970
>>2053974
>>2053998
>>2054001

>>2054129
No fucking way

>>2054128
Lurk there and screencap him the next time he does it lel.

>>2054129
lol, lmao.

>>2054129
Rapop resignation status?

>>2054129
You should all send them joke replies to the form.

>>2054140
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSca7-4pQFeehh8X0B1QQUuCpAwAjyp73RPDewOamEmdld5fqA/viewform?usp=sharing
It doesn't exist
Might be fake

>>2054129
Why don't they publicly announce it if it's already been decided?

>>2054156
Seeing as their jannies lurk here they probably just reported that it leaked.

>>2054166
If that was the case it would say "this file has been deleted", not that it doesn't exist

>>2054165
Yeah I still don't fully believe it.

Big Weld you got connections, can you confirm?

>>2054156

docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/e/1FAIpQLSca7-4pQFeehh8X0B1QQUuCpAwAjyp73RPDewOamEmdId5fqA/viewform?usp=sharing&pli=1

It exists, I've just sent a rickroll there

>>2054179
GOD
FUCKING
DAMMIT

I still don't buy it, the way the devs are behaving on discord doesn't add up. Why pretend if the cat will be out of the bag sooner or later?

not a dev, not a comvet, not even a role haver, what is wrong with these people?

>>2054185
Guess we'll know for sure in a few hours. It'll either release and be dull, or get delayed and we'll be bored next week instead.

Either way, nothing ever happens.

>>2054188
ScareSith is back!

someone posted the announcement, this was the response

>>2054189
I have a friend on the team who I just asked, he confirmed it's true and will most likely not even come out in June.

>>2054195
Kateryna denying it almost had me believe it but now you have me doubting it again with your whole "my uncle works at TNO" routine.

It's ok, guys. Just a TFR psyop. The update is still coming. Remain calm. Rapop endures. TNO is not dead yet.

>>2054188
All the non-bootlickers got banned, anon.

They're saying it's fake in comvet chat too

>>2054212
Did not know Peremen lurked in these threads

Changelog posted, update dropping imminently

TOTAL TFRCHUD DEATH

It's up

>>2054256
>Supply Hubs may no longer be constructed in Deserts, Marsh, Desert Plateau or Ice Sheet terrain

WTF why?

>>2054278
You will slog through difficult terrain with no organization and you will like it

>>2054278
To discourage gameplay.
Goddamn why do they keep dropping QoL downgrades?

>>2054256
LETS FUCKING GO

>>2054292
>I'd remove the civil war
Two more weeks.

>Brazillian civil war
Based???

https://youtu.be/JqquBi4X31U
>one million views
Taboritsky really was that memorable huh?

>>2054291
>New mini games
>New conflicts you can't play in
>Boring treaties
>Non-canon wars
Hard pass.

>>2054292
Why do they hate fun? What did fun ever do to them?

>>2054294
They hid something fun in there? What?

>>2054129
My fucking sides oh god LMAOOOOOOOO

>You're going to need research facilities socdev to advance tech beyond WW2 levels
>Most of Russia starts out with dirt
Another debufff to the only region that has wars. Between this and the poverty/GDP penalties in the last update it's like they want the game to be unplayable.

>>2054319
Can you even unite Russia before finishing the tech tree nowadays?

>More GDP nerfs all over Russia
They REALLY don't want you to play in Russia.

At this point they have to just rework the entire warlordism thing out of existence and replace it with a battered USSR that spends 20 years chilling and figuring out its issues. No pesky wars, no need to come up with excuses to maintain German status quo, instead you can navigate the Party and its many internal rivalries, work on fixing the economy and the societal crisis and so on. Warlordism is unrealistic anyway, even after its worst defeats Russia has never shattered into that many pieces, hell no country ever did

>>2054336
0/10 bait, do better.

>>2054338
I thought it was parody since that's a widely parodied Corn quote.

>>2054338
>>2054342
I meant it as a joke but you gotta admit it would fit nuTNO much better than current Russia

>>2054342
>no major crisis, just a country chilling and working out its issues
Jesus Christ

Brazil has major crises though. One of them can cause a civil war.

>>2054359
What is it? Is it playable?

>>2054371
It's not.

>>2054375
Yes it is. There are news events for them.

>>2054384
Post them

The new release is fine, but there are typos and bugs everywhere. I keep getting the same news events and it seems whoever wrote the loc has yet to learn how to use commas or dots. There are also words outright misspelled lol

>>2054375
TNO try to have actual fucking gameplay for once challenge (impossible).

Lmao half of the country paths don't even work

>>2054421
>TNO releases an undercooked mess
No one could've predicted this.

>>2054427
So far i've had:
>numerous crashes
>country paths don't work, getting results specifically marked against like Dominicana winning over the Legion
>Same news events keep firing
>Countless typos, missing commas and errors in event loc, especially mechanics loc
>The intro is still a bit mid, not much to do

Truly what i was looking for

>>2054441
Sweet mother of God, their map got even shittier.

I just hope once they integrate Débrouillez-Vous, remove the German Civil War, and remove the NPP that it will be the final nail in the coffin of NU-TNO and a Redux can really get started

>>2054458
The only hope to stop the Reduxes at this point is to make things so uninteresting and miserable that people just give up.

know nudevs blow and all, but can we all at least agree that this mods music never misses?

>>2054518
No, they deleted all of Ayden's stuff and have removed lots of content over time there too. So even in that part the total rot has set in.

Wow this update sucks

How's the update so far?
And what's the general conseus from the wider community.

Does anyone know what happened to the Britain team? serious question no shitpost answer pls

>>2054582
currently playing brazil fine, it shockingly seems to run a bit better than I last remember. Not far enough in to say about content though

>>2054458
>remove the German Civil War
they are already planning to remove it anon, where have you been?

>>2054633
Yes, I know. I'm saying for when it happens.

>>2054582
Better than Mexico by itself but that's not a high bar. Any of the exciting canon isn't canon (and thus won't matter), is a fail state, has no playable content, or is a combination of all three with a minigame as an extra fuck you. Nothing that's good is meant to appeal to people that actually play the game, that's the biggest problem. It's all just the usual TNO missteps. Plus, the update added a slew of downgrades that make lots of content unplayable such as all the GDP penalties, the supply system downgrade and the resource ruination.

>>2054611
Original lead just vanished as did Harold. No one seems to know so it's a coin toss if it was voluntary or shenanigans. Team got overtaken by Frost who immediately set out to start reworking the collabs. Picrel: the person that is running Britain into the ground now.

>>2052538 (OP)
"Anne Frank smiles in heaven" what the fuck is this, thats an actual event with those words that i got in my game, stopped playing after it

>>2054798
That sounds so cringe it comes across something a /pol/tard would write as satire.

>>2054811
i have showed three other people and they all acted like i was insane for thinking the event where they build a jewish school named after anne frank, and having "anne frank smiles in heaven" as the clickable thing was stupid

>>2054798
What country? That sounds hilarious

>>2054074
Sparkle, aka, Hu Tao 2.0 is a cutie and that faggotini is ruining her image.

>>2054532
>>2054518
Even if Ayden left, there is still some talent there, Mexico update had some bangers, and the Silicon Dreams main theme wasn't made by Ayden
https://youtu.be/2D549X_fTPU?si=69v1SW0EeuZMrIao

Does anyone still have the RK Ukraine leaked doc? Old mediafire archive is dead.

>>2054848
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf
Best I can do it the OG Red Italy proposal.
Never forget what they took from us.

>>2054833
brazil, its in the first year

>>2054826
How do people know about Anne Frank if Germany won ww2? Wouldn't her dad have died in the camps before he could share it around?

>>2054886
you dont understand, we need a country to be the super good boys who love all minorities, you stupid chud

>>2054886
>Wouldn't Claus von Stauffenberg have survived the war without his OTL injuries?
>If the Allies don't fuck him over, surely things would turn out different?
What do you think this is, alt hist?

>>2052538 (OP)
Just finished playing the mod for the first time, I say TNO is probably the most immersive historical strategy game ever produced. don't get why there is a dedicated general that is solely created to hate the mod in the first place

Bait.

>>2054908
kys trannie

>>2054912
>>2054915
>can't even refute and had to resort to name calling

>>2054916
yes, because i dont need to refute to someone like you, come back with an actual argument

>>2054916
>Y-You didn't write a walltext to my obvious bait
Fuck off, retard. At least try not to sound like a cheap parody of a Reddit post next time. For fuck's sake you even got all the buzzwords in there.

>Spend half a year making an update
>Finally release it
>No one gives a shit and vst is radio silent

>>2054924
I think everyone here knew what the update was going to contain
it's nothing too exciting

>>2054924
>Half a year
Try 4-5 years and not a single (canon & playable) war to write home about.

>>2054924
it took 2 years to release some boring shit that's full of bugs and typos
the mod is dead and we dance on its grave here

>>2054981
Please.
>>2054949
They worked on it since 2021. At least!

>>2054129
What the fuck was this shit? Did the devs make this just to troll us?

>>2054798

This event having been in since Brazil initially released, really goes to show how nobody here actually plays the mod

>>2054070
Hiya, Kateryna here. You posted a screenshot of me being a trannyjanny for free, but I did not give you permission to post pictures of me doing it for free. Please delete it or I will take legal action against you.

>>2054924
It took them 2 years, when I joined they were working on it.

>>2055012
do you?

>>2055012
It hasn't, I played Brazil until 1964 when its Content first got added, and this wasn't in it.

>>2055014
Bruh they've been working on that content in particular since at least 2021.

>>2054924
there are only like same 30 people on this vst tno thread buddy, youre a dumbass if you think people in here are represent the TNO, or even the entire HOI4 modding community

>>2055088
t. Devcord echo chamber enjoyer.

>>2055095
show proof there are more than 1000 people in here bitch, you just an extreme minority.

>>2055101
>It's only 30 people that read that!
>M-Max 1000! Show proof that it's more! Say it to my face!
If it was as irrelevant then it wouldn't be the #1 place for leaks and ex-devs to air the dev team's dirty laundry and then Kateryna and the other tranny-jannies wouldn't be made to actively monitor this thread. Cope harder, Devcord fag. We represent the part of the community you banned from any place you actually control.

>>2055141
and we got thrice more fans playing the mod right now than people in your sorry ass board, there is nothing you can do to ruin TNO reputation in the masses

>>2055168
>"You have less than 1000 people on your board!"
>"We have thrice that playing our mod!"
>TNO janny's estimated population of VST = 999X3=2997
>2997 people are suffering through Brazil right now and hating every single event about trans rights Anne Frank
Dead mod.

>>2055168
>there is nothing you can do to ruin TNO reputation in the masses
Of course not, the TNO leads do a far better job at that than we ever could.

I FUCKING LOVE THE ULTRAVISIONARIES!!!

>>2055413
I FUCKING LOVE CUTTING THE CONTENT YOU LOVE!!!

How many people got fooled by TNO brainsworms polluting web searches?

>>2055600
Imagine if this is the Mexico we got.
Dire fucking day when Redditors provide the superior alternative.

>>2055413
Why are they so aesthetic? I'm not even a commie but I love Zhdanov's path so much

Can any of you tell me what happens if Argentina wins the South Atlantic war and what happens if Brazil wins the South Atlantic war? and send pictures if you can, thanks in advance

I played Brozil as the funny money guy only to find out it's horribly bugged like this

>>2055769
The comments are really illuminating.
>I can't play other mods any more because I don't care about conventional gameplay
>KR is the only other good mod (they're also deleting gameplay and adding minigames)
>

>>2055769
>>2055781
>Everything that let's gameplay interrupt the muh narrative and doesn't have minigames is a waste of time

>>2055783
>>2055781
with an audience like this tno is forever dead. its joever new tno has found its idiot audience

>>2055769
>>2055781
>>2055783
Realism/minigame arms race between TNO and KR, lol.

>>2054924
It's fucking Brazil for fucks sake,who cares? these Latam circlejerkers need to be purged from the dev team. We have a three way cold war with Japan,Germany, the United States, and the only content we've been fed the past 3 years is Brazil, Mexico, and Antarctica? I get the whole 'hurr durr it's a free mod people only work on the shit they're interested in' but holy fuck this is getting beyond parody

>>2055816
i just want bormann, please

>>2055936
How many years has it been since they've disabled Goering? Gotta give it up anon, they hate Europe in a mod where the Nazis won ww2

>>2056102
Five years lol, literally zero work done on him, Himmler or Heydrich. Give it up, anon. The whole rework was just a scam to make sure that Lamounier could delete all the pwobwematic content that hurt his fee-fees.

>>2056295
even better, the Brazil lead just left so that's that for south america lol. That prob won't get fixed and no way SA will get more content.

>>2056327
Did Rapoop FINALLY resign?

>>2055195
funny, that's how many people died in 9/11

How do I win the bush war? The alignment is capped at 55 and when I press the leaflet decision it doesn't go up

>>2056342
i did it by just stalling until liberalism was high enough but when i "won" by taking their capital the proxy just disappeared without any effects

>>2056352
>until liberalism was high enough
It doesn't go higher than 55

>>2056332
Only 2 years after he said he would. Maybe they'll get some new developers to chip in, but that would mean less power for the morons...

>>2056359
>derole
>not actually quitting in disgrace like he promised

Wait, the Brazil lead resigned? Why? Because the update he's been working on for two years is terrible?

>>2056452
He promised he would last year: >>2054138
And it's because it's taken him four years: >>2054949

>>2056354
it did for me, had it at 62 before i used the decisions

>>2056468
What an embarrassment. Glad he seppeku'd

Bruh don't tell me there are only 3 proxies made in 2 years. That's 1.5 proxies every year. I ALONE could make this shit in one week while they have an entire team of with dozens of people. I get that they have lives and shit but this is ridiculous

>>2056475
Four years. So less than 1 a year and some of just minigames, there's your problem.

Redditors are finally starting to notice.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1l0fr3i/map_only_of_nations_with_playable_content/

>>2056505
>Still no France
>still no Turkey
>still no Moscovien
>still no India
>still no Finland
Shit's crazy

>>2056505
WHEN THEY LOSE THE REDDIT CROWD, THEN YOU KNOW ITS JOEVER

>>2056505
SHUT IT DOWN

>>2056505
>all those posts removed for "being a dick"
you just know they were permanently banned

>>2054916
0/10 bait try better discord jannie, we have kiwi far m edition and 2wrw the community already won go back to your slopy mod

>>2056505
That image might be more damning than that opening screen comparison an anon did a while back. The comments are just scathing too.

>PW never
>Redditors realizing many of these don't even count as content
>Argentina Antarctica before Argentina
>Your content was removed for disagreeing with the devs
>Kateryna gets shit on for his fifth rework of a tag, doesn't get he's being bullied, breaks out his usual talking points
>Even he acknowledges that since it's bundled in with other content it's never releasing and he's throwing his life away
>Ukraine demo being eviscerated by Redditors for being worse than the India skeleton
>TNO apologist unironically defending the Antarctica demo as new content because they added a worse map
>"Now give Haiti 45 years of content and remove 15 paths from Europe!"
>"let's just rework Germany ONE more time!"
>Redditors laughing because all the functional paths are getting reworked while the deleted ones remain deleted
>"Btw, does anyone know what happened to the Britain rework team?"
>"Does being bombarded by boring events as mexico all the time count as content?"
>"You want playable content? Sorry TNO fan, best we can do is skeleton for Republic of Molossia"

YourGuyEliasb-b-b-based!?!?!?!? 19 points 8 hours ago

Because if I wanted realism I wouldn't be playing an alternate history scenario where somehow the Axis powers completely shit stomp the allied powers, Bukharin somehow takes over, Russia descends into warlord-ism with notable rulers such as random Aussie with vague relations to the old Imperial family, some dude that larps ad Rurik who turns out to not be schizo and is hatching a genius scheme to establish legitimacy and some dude that manages to form an ultramilitaristic state based on killing Germans. Oh and a Japanese corporate Chinese state, Burgundy, Yockey or Hall, etc.

The mod from the start has been about telling an interesting story. Whether it be thematic stories about how hatred and ignorance begets further hatred and ignorance with Omsk or how progress naturally demands sacrifice, regardless of intention like China. Or sometimes it's just interesting character arcs with the U.S. presidents or Chita. Or sometimes it's just an exploration of the deeply dysfunctional systems of Nazi governance or the Japanese YSK. Or sometimes it's just a weird system of governance that arose as consequence such as Guangdong, half the Russian warlords and Italy.

Shit like Burgundy, Atlantropa, the Mars landing, etc, even if extremely unrealistic adds more to these narratives. In the case of Nazi horrors, it sets the initial tone of dread and despair. For shit like the Mars landing it establishes the idea that even in a seemingly doomed world, no matter what, progress can be made beyond that of what we personally have. And even then, the entire premise is unrealistic as shit, so if you can suspend your disbelief for that, there's nothing stopping you from doing the above.

>>2056592
Realism doesn't contribute to the above ideas at all. Can it certainly enhance certain themes by adding to plausibility? Sure. But more often than not it serves as detraction because the emphasis ends up being placed on realism as opposed to an interesting narrative.

>>2056592
>someone with a gay flair responds and sucks on devcock whilst reporting your post

>>2056592
Your post has been removed for violation of the rule:
>Rule 1: Being a dick
t. Kateryna

>>2056601
The Woke Rises

DV leak

DV leak 2: niggeria-cameroon war

>>2056630
>>2056631
>TNO is replacing the WAC with this

>>2056630
>>2056631
Literally useless if I can’t meddle in as USA, Germany or Japan.

>>2056505
https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1l0fr3i/map_only_of_nations_with_playable_content/mvfgbna/
>Still trotting out the "it never existed" excuse
>Not admitting that you just wanted to delete another war that threatened Germany's plot armor

>>2056650
>Moskowien never had any planning
>Burgundy 2 never existed
Every single time.

>>2056634
Good.

>>2056631
>4 tiles
waoh

you know its funny that tno devs want to make a political drama game....but their product is nowhere near half as good as suzerain is.

>>2056790
The real political drama is within the dev team

Why do you guys even care enough to keep these threads reaching 300+ replies? This shitty mod isn't even fun and the UI is awful, at least the Fallout mod lets you just declare war on all your neighbors and blow up tribes with power armor and bombers.

>>2056790
Suzerain lets you be what you want, from fascist to communist or secularist to theocrat, with equal chance of success and failure for each path depending on your strategy and what points you stand firm on or renegotiate, with a wealth of ideologically specific flavour dialogue for each path. TNO just railroads you as the player into doing shit you don't want to do because theyre doing a le heckin commentary or something bro while shilling you with snooze fest events that are boring 90% of the time and completely irrelevant the other 10% of the time. More importantly, suzerain doesn't give much of a shit about DA REALISM

>>2056817
this is how you do a political drama game, tno devs

>>2056819
While we appreciate the feedback we would much rather focus on our Tongoland skeleton content facelift while our Tongoland dev team works on the coffee bean farming GUI game. In the meantime, you can look forward to our biggest update yet: the complete removal of South Africa and the South African War to fit more in line with our vision of Realism®

.... so.... thoughts on the brazil update?
to me, it seems like another filler update like Antartica

>>2056522
>all those posts removed for "being a dick"
I only saw 3 posts

>>2056831
Half of that post is exactly what they're doing lmao

>>2056842
two paths are better than the literal nothing we got with deep freeze besides the map going to shit. Not a great update at all, but honestly anything is better than that trash

>>2056813
Drama. The mod is dead but all the fighting surrounding the collapsing team is fun.

>>2056817
>Paths I find unrealistic can succeed
>Adding an element of skill into things
Oof, can't have that, then it'd almost be a game. We actually had a devnigger come here who'd routinely use Suzerain as an example of why Nu-TNO is ok without realizing that they're nothing alike and that trying to turn HOI4 into Suzerain is as ass backwards as trying to turn Suzerain into hoi4 and expecting a seamless transition.

>>2056846
Tons of posts were removed as usual. Can't let the chuds say no to your Fiji skeleton.

>>2056854
>Better than nothing
The absolute state.

>>2056876
>all the fighting surrounding the collapsing team is fun.
Understandable.

I thought the anne frank event was a joke

>>2056891
Holy cringe. You can just tell a redditor huffed their own farts while writing this too.

>>2056842
The Brazil update was originally meant to be a companionpiece to the Mexico demo and... Yeah. It is what you'd expect, 3/4 of the Mexico demo package with all the faults and shortcomings of that dumpster fire but with even fewer excuses.

>>2056916
>be a companionpiece to the Mexico demo
that makes sense

>>2056891
i didnt even believe it when i first saw it in my game

>>2054129
That's what he gets for stabbing the red flood team in the back. traitor.

>>2057225
Qrd?

>>2056842
Mexico at least has a somewhat interesting political system, before it gets drowned in samey boring events. Brazil content is just not interesting in any capacity besides the civil war, for which they couldn't be bothered/weren't capable of adding even 100 day content.

>>2057328
They didn't do it because there's no Wiki article on it to scrape for a 1:1 recreation.

>>2056891
How does Anne’s Diary get published if her father never gets freed from the camps? If he managed to orchestrate a breakout, shouldn’t that be mentioned?

>>2057525
That would mean something happening different to IRL history, please understand.
The nudevs are so creatively bankrupt all they *can* do is crib stuff that happened in real history.

>>2056891
>>2057525
>>2057571
Hear me out: Lamounier believes that it's a fake and having all events (including the public reception) play out identically is a way to build up the ruse narrative ahead of future event chains about the ballpoint pens. Then in the end you learn that it was all a hoax and that she actually never died because the allied bombings never cause her to get sick. It's all a long game to finally reveal pregnant NSDAP Anne Frank, something Lamounier has commissioned lots of art of. Trust the plan.

Or maybe they just did otlism again out of habit.

>>2054352
no it wouldn't u faggot

>>2057826
I think he means that it'd fit the reworked mod's style and tone, not that it'd be good. Which I do agree with, Russia being boring as shit and having literally nothing happen in it seems far more fitting for what TNO has become than the current Russia does. Fun leaders, wars, no overbearing mechanics for most tags - it's everything nu-TNO wants to get away from.

>>2057833
>>2057833
well the nu-devs probally have plans to rework or delete the russian warlords( the best part of the mod ) to the ground but i think if they do that (like Sablin , Tabby , Yasov ) may cause their cult like folower probally finally wake and start shiting on the mod to , well thart would be pretty funny

>>2058910
We already have had leaks confirming that they're doing full or partial reworks of most of Russia. They don't care about the public reception to this either obviously.

mod so dead nobody has replied since yesterday

>>2059544
We often go a day or two without replies. Though I definitely didn't expect that pattern to remain after they dropped their Brazil update. Damn near no one cared about that wet far. People were more interested in Rapop finally leaving than the update itself.

>>2059568
I don't understand how the team is so dysfunctional that a glorified demo that was supposed to accompany Mexico took this long to release

The fall of TNO has been the saddest modding story I can think of. The rework clique destroyed everything.

>>2059590
Because they purged or alienated most of their skilled members but still try to do code flexes like Guangdong. Like an athlete trying to go for gold after a decade of shooting up meth. But even if it had worked, who'd care? It's normal politics in Brazil. Refer back to that dev Xeet about no one giving a shit about anything they did after they started to run things into the ground. Now not even Kateryna and his janny brigade cares to shill for the dead mod.

the fun part is that they've already set up all the foundation they need, all thats left to do is code focus trees and events and write localisation (literally the easiest part of modding) but apparently doing this would take years.

>>2059617
>They already set up the foundation they need
No they haven't. As of the turn of the year roundtable leak, they still had no idea what'd replace the GCW and even in 2024 you had tons of tags being deleted/rebooted over the reworked plot armor for Germany. You even had a dev chat log posted in this thread about them talking about deleting a thread and reworking it from scratch over Germany's plot armor.

So no, they aren't even done getting the foundation in place. And that's on top of everything they want to do likely ending up taking years to make.

>>2059655
they could easily make full content for brazil and mexico if they wanted to but unfortunately the entire team is trannies pretending to be devs for discord roles

>>2059662
>Full content
Well no, you're wrong, because your definition of full content is different from theirs.
You want full focus trees and an interesting war for supremacy in the region between the tags involved.
They want a minigame collection with every focus giving you a unique GUI. No wars, just you dumping PP into a mechanic meant to give you a mild adjustment to your tax code.

So no, it'll never happen because TNO isn't a HOI4 mod any more.

>mod so dead nobody has leaked dev proposals for multiple tags
C'mon, when I was on the team there were pages of reworks ready at a moment's notice. Hell, there was a Wallop doc that contained extensive design that hasn't even leaked.

I hate myself for dedicating a year and a half to this mod that Corn and Lam and Mongoloid ran into the ground.

>>2059731
I think people just stopped giving a shit.

>>2059736
Same, biggest waste of time in my life, environment was completely toxic too. Glad they're falling down, couldn't happen to a worse bunch of retards.

>>2059750
The particularly insulting part of it was joining in hopes that I could contribute to a mod I loved, only to watch the leadership change and for cunts who never played the game turn it into something it was never meant to be.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1727487717
6 Years.

>>2060157
It gets even worse when you realize that almost all of what's playable it is being deleted/reworked and that the only place with new content being added is... In Antarctica, everything else is skeletons. And the devs thought that releasing some generic corrupt politicians in Latin America would fix this decline.
>bro look at all my wiki scrape skeletons though

>>2060157
The map of countries that actually have 5+ years of content must be grim

>>2060251
All you lose really is Norway, nu-Britain, Ostland, Mexico, Ukraine and all of Antarctica I think. Until last week, Brazil too. So nearly nothing anyone cares about.

>>2060157
>Dirlewanger demo drunkenly shat out by Panzer over a weekend still eclipses anything the nu-devs poured millions of man hours into over the past several years
lol.

>>2060165
Samara is also getting gutted

>>2060364
Wait Samara is getting reworked too? I thought they just moved Oktan? Fucking nudevs not even once. What are they doing there?

>>2060157
>>2060165
>>2060364
Reworked the rework map.
Forgot that all of China is being reworked too.
It's really funny to me that the only thing that remains untouched since the release are the demo tags in the Urals because no one wants to touch them.

>>2060364
>Samara is also getting gutted
OH FOR FUCK SAKE

>>2060376
Fix your shit Mexico and Manchuria are getting content.

>>2060610
>Mexico
Already on the map you blind bat
>Manchuria
Dev hell for years.

>>2060660
>planned playable content
Was there plans to make more playable content for Mexico? Yes. So Mexico has to be marked.

>>2060664
Mexico already has content you blithering retard, it getting more if it wouldn't change its status on the map. Also no one cares about Mexico.

>>2060695
You just shitted yourself and thats all you came with?

>>2056592
I personally don't like atlantropa, but for the rest I agree
I'd add it's not even about realism-in some ways, new rework is less realistic. Stalin's midwar coup, Hitler the emancipator, cartoon villain tier nixon, etc.
>>2056530
This image is hilarious.
People that never heard of TNO or played hoi4 have heard of yazov. Original tno changed hoi4 modding just as kr did once, nuTNO exists as an example on what not to do

>>2060721
Excuse you, cartoon villain Nixon is le realismo. QPQ told me.

First Ukraine teaser in years...

>>2060737
Your saying...That I can survive? Wait nevermind, I'm seeing that they've kept them to be railroaded into losing, regardless of the effort. This makes me curious, if the occupation is said to be high (and this is for all eastern/western occupied nations), then, in the event Germany fumbles somewhere along the way, could Russia take advantage of this?

Also, I actually enjoyed Germany nuking Ukraine, it hammers home what Germany is regardless of the mask each leader from them puts on. Maybe Britain could have a reworked independent path (like the original where they didn't join OFN and Germany) where they're nuked but still continue stand and are left alone after Germany realizes it isn't worth putting them back together.

>>2060753
Insurgency not occupation. Same for standing, not stand.

>>2060737
>you are scripted to lose and will probably have to do minigames for half a decade in order for anything to happen
4/10
If I had to do this idea I would have it split between German occupied Ukraine and the insurgency of your choosing as in two separate countries rather than having to actively ruin the country you are playing as for a second time. Have some skirmishes for rural regions before having an al out war (uprising for le narrative) break out. Insurgents get a deal for bread from Germany or something and there you go.
>>2060753
>could Russia take advantage of this
lol
lmao
I played the Soviet Ukraine demo and I don't remember anything like Russian partisans being mentioned even in passing. And with how much they are crippling Russia I think their "plan" is to have either a German puppet Ukraine or an independent Ukraine with no Russian influence, invasion or reunification because

>>2060737
>More minigames and railroading for a tag that already had too much of both
>>2060774
Good summary.

>>2060737
This decisions tab needs a REWOOOOORRRKK, I’m not seeing a map or any visual metaphors for tensions and preparedness.

>>2060753
I'd do it like this
You still get nuked, and you get a debuff, just not ad publishing. But if you manage to hold on Germany eventually signs a peace treaty, their sphere collapses and they get GKChP'd. Maybe Ukraine gets completely flattened with nukes afterwards but they dragged Germany down with them.
To elaborate:
Basically, if new post-civil war government fails to deal with Ukraine, mass protests begin. Former rival GCW figures activate once more and other RKs get increased pressure as more and more of german efforts are taken up by Ukraine. After signing the treaty, Germany is dealing with food shortages, economic disaster and mass unrests. Army coups the government and does it's best to keep the nation from falling apart. They nuke Ukraine out of spite, but Germany lost as a cold war player.
Bittersweet ending, basically

>>2060831
Wait are they removing Germany's plot armor?

>>2060839
No, of course not
I am just saying how I would have done it

Fire gameplay!!!!

>>2060840
Oh, well.
For a moment I felt a hint of excitement.
Guess not.

>>2060842
>Shared deccats for all
>Just a game over screen
>Basically unplayable
My hype is even lower now.

>>2060774
There is actually one single interaction I remember between the Ukraine Red Insurgency and Russians in Moskowien, if somehow the Partisan Group led by some communist takes over all of Moskowien you get an event that is very barebones saying "Moscow partisans send support!" And that gets you some manpower and army xp.

>>2060964
Well, they deleted the MCW, so that's gone.

>>2060842
>start off as resistance ready to overthrow german occupation after 30 years of occupation
>End as resistance ready to overthrow german occupation in maybe 30 more years, but even more people have died, homes destroyed and economy crushed
>Don't even get rewarded with an event if you beat the germans
Bravo, KINO, SS officer Cornmanstein delivers again.
remember, resistance is futile and you should just surrender because it doesn't matter anyway and you will be dead before you ever see your country free.

>>2060983
>All this stolen valor
Please, Corn is just a proud Banderite collaborator, a foot soldier taking orders from a greater power. We all know who the trve aryan warrior that we should thank for this portrayal of German power is.

>>2060348
How would the current team do Dirlewanger's Brigade?

>>2061155
Bandit tag without contet. One state skeleton. Leader description carefully explaining that Dirlewanger is mean. He'll always die in 1962.

The rework takes four years to complete.

>>2061155
They would remove his content promising to rework it, never get around to it and drop nepal content instead (3 year skeleton) in 3 irl years

>>2061433
They actually planned to rework the tag into another fascist and name it "All-Russian Union" or something. Completely dead obviously. It was something they talked about wanting to do when I was on the team years ago so that's obviously not happening.

TFO showed leaks of a new Philippine civil war between authoritarian pan-asians, (apparently) authoritarian isolationists and maoists which triggers when the conttinent falls to the Great Asian War at the end of the game and Japan's sphere collapses. Couldn't read the full thing since they quickly deleted the post but apparently the Philippines becomes the new corporate state since Komai ruined guangdong forever and that one is doomed to collapse imminently so the zaibatsus moved to the philippines. The setup didn't look too interesting but ig flavor is flavor. I certainly don't see how maoists would ever be allowed to take over the country considering how much of a hard on big weld has for realism
Also, TFO's internal release date continues to be early-mid 2026

>>2061579
>TFO posted leaks
>doesn’t include it in the post

One job nigger

>>2061582
i LITERALLY said they deleted it before I finished it reading and I could save it you absolute mongoloid neanderthal learn to fucking read

>>2061588
Not my problem and skill issue.

>>2061595
Clearly your problem since you're the one complaining lol talk about being an insufferable pissant

Clearly the problem is that both of you think that this matters.

>>2061155
How would (You) do the Dirlewanger Brigade, other than allowing the player to unify Russia as Kampfgruppe Dirlewanger or Dirlewanger's Realm or something (why wasn't this in base TNO and why have I never seen a popular mod allowing you to pull this stunt)?

>>2061812
there is a mod for it called Oskars wild ride

what the fuck even the point of this thread nobody here even bothers playing the mod

>>2062822
1: Containment thread. People don't want TNO discussions in the threads for mods with actual gameplay, which TNO is removing. It also prevents people from creating new threads relating to individual TNO garbage which actually reduces the thread count on the board.
2: Janny filter. TNO jannies are infamous for trying to raid /vst/ whenever news or a new leak drops, protecting normal threads from their tranny rage.
3: Leak repository. It's a database of most relevant documents for unreleased content.
4: Memes.
5: News. The... Once or twice a year they drop. Not even their latest update garnered any support.
6: Legacy, probably. TNO is a dead mod, killed by its devniggers. No one really cares about it. We're literally laughing at a corpose.

>>2062822
>>2062844
Man it was quite sad that the whole brazil update feel like even more of a brick than So Far From Good or Ruin. On those you at least had discussion and lots of memed beint posted on reddit.

Now? Pure radio silence. They dropped a whole tag and no one wants to talk about it, even plebittors

>>2061812
I would turn it into a barrad-style JRPG where Oscar assembles a party and travels around Russia defeating enemies and collecting loot

>>2062907
Back then we also had the war between the TNO jannies going on about how SFFG was just the appetizer before the greatness that'd be Brazil's corrupt liberals and anons meme-ing back at them.

Now TNO's great weapon has been revealed and it's... Nothing. The mod truly is dead if even Kateryna and his janny brigade won't show up any more.

>>2062921
Dude make it in RPGMaker.

I have no provable source, but the next TNO update will be definitely DV integration, with only skeleton content being added. If someone even cares at this point

>>2062954
People started to speculate this was the case when their head janny refused to deny it.
>RKs removed in favor of skeletons
This sounds so awful not even TNO would do it.

>>2062925
Hoi4 engine is better than rpgmaker, in fact anything is better than rpgmaker

>>2056475
>>2056481
With a rate like that, it gives me the impression that the team is forcing themselves to work on something they don't give a shit about.

>>2052538 (OP)
Apparently Five has been placed in charge of Omsk. What a fucking mess, another lead swap? And its the guy who cant get Surinam content out but swapped over to South Africa halfway through, this whole project is cursed.

I'm thinking they're as dead as tno, they just dont want to admit it yet. Does anyone know anything more, there were 2WRW leaks before right?

>>2056817
>>2056876
Tangentially, I don't dislike the idea of difficulty being decided by what ideology you're gunning for in what location you're starting your gameplay in, over each ideology being equally easy to implement in every single state or organised group. It seems like a decent way of integrating gameplay with story and also allowing players to deal with the consequences of their choices, but you MUST have the latter. The player needs to feel like their actions matter when they support some fringe ideology. I'd expect a country that switches from liberal to Burgundian System to have a much harder time going back. Likewise, I expect Nazism to crush any semblance of progressivism that arises, but the player can keep re-rising, and each time they do we can see this having a visible effect on how the leading governance changes its rule to be more totalitarian and unstable, for instance.

>>2063235
The old lead made an announcement post explaining that the entire code base put together when the tag was meant to be a mini game bonanza like Guangdong (yes this was a thing) was so broken that the testers demanded more time to fix it and that he was burnt out after crunching for six months fixing all the tag's problems. The post mentions forced railroaded defeats, many vanilla mechanics being planned to be turned into custom GUIs, several forced purges of generals and the focus tree being mostly smoke and mirrors up until this year. They actively posted about the changes in the community veteran channel with screenshots of what was being fixed for months so that checks out. There have been rumors too that they're going to adopt the new map after all too and if true that might be a reason too since they were very public about not liking it. Especially since the restoration content like Divine Mandate and old Kazakhstan are indefinitely postponed too now.

>>2063256
That makes sense and I think everyone agrees on that. But it's the antithesis of their current development. Everyone was fine with Yockey and Hall being hard to get. Now Yockey is being deleted and Hall is a convoluted fail state.

>>2063371
Wholly agreed, didn't mean to imply otherwise.
It's just disappointing that "realism" seems to be being placed in a false dichotomy against lowering player agency and needlessly cutting off tiny branches in current TNO. You could easily have internal consistency co-exist with the latter two, but apparently they need to clash and step on each other's toes.

>>2063361
Why can't you just link the post

>>2061434
>plans to delete Dirlewanger
Might as well remove Heydrich from the game while they're at it.
If they're going to make so many changes for the sake of realism, I wonder when they're going to retcon Goebbels' into being alive.

>>2063436
It's on their Discord but you need a community veteran role to see it (just be active for a while). Their Discord is linked on their Steam page.

>>2063435
Realism is just a buzzword for "things I like". Multiple electoral dead heats leading to communism, Stalin starting a civil war against Bukharin during WW2, dictator rehugliKKKan Nixon and nuking Ukraine's wheat fields to save German food security are all realistic according to the same people that think it's unrealistic for Russia to advance past St. Petersburg even if they're winning the war.

>>2063438
>retcon Goebbels
Wouldn't that lead to a massive butterfly effect of additional retcons? If they did it I bet they'd just go through all the work just to make him a minister to Bormann or something too.

>>2063441
Why can't you do it? I'm not into discord or shitty mods

>>2063222
>Hate HOI4
>Work on HOI4 anyway
>Throw out everything related to HOI4
>Everything takes 1000 times longer because you're jury rigging HOI4 to be a different game
>Everyone's angry and you're having a bad time too

>>2063448
Sounds a lot like what I'm going through rn. A lot of it is just cost sunk fallacy

>>2063451
Is it even a sunk cost fallacy thing if you joined a mod for a game you hated to then actively remove things from it that you hate? It sounds more like when political crazies infiltrate institutions and make it worse for everyone else but personally feel comfortable because muh politics muh ideology.

>>2063441
Why don’t you just take a screenshot and post it here?

>Some 2WRW devs are talking about bringing back the ODF map on Discord
If true, then what was even the point in forking off in the first place?

>>2064180
Not having to account for Lamounier or whoever the lead devs are rewoooorking Germany, the eastern RKs, and Russia every 5 days.

>>2064368
They've already said that they're going to integrate V&J if it ever releases so you're getting Germany and the reworked RKs and Germany ruling Novaya Zemlya as an added bonus. It's literally just some parts of Corn's Russia we'll be spared at this point and is that even such a big deal when none of that will come out? Plus if they're willing to backpedal on the map they might backpedal on other things too at least outside of Russia. At least we'll have TNO Rides Again.

>>2062957
>anime profile pic
>weird name
>lesbian
AGP - every single time...

>>2064499
>lesbian
>"""""lesbian"""""
You just know he has a beard and looks like the spitting image of a troonjak. The ones that really obsess about the lesbian part are always the worst ones, failed chuds who castrated themselves in the vain hope that they'd get pussy. So about what you'd expect from a post-Ashley TNO team.

The ship of Theseus will have its last few original planks ripped out.

>>2064558
I'm gonna kill myself.

>>2064558
I hate how these people are making me start to hate words like "well-researched".

>>2064558
This would remove SO MANY proxies wholesale I unironically don't think its possible. South Africa gone, RKs gone, West Africa conflict gone, most of Africa returns to OTL...
If this happens I expect DV to partially roll back some of their changes maybe??? West Africa HAS to stay bro its already integrated into japan's, brazil's and US' content lol

>>2064602
All Proxies nuked thanks to DV integration:
- South African War
- Congo War
- Madagascar rebellion
- Angolan War
- Mozambique War
- West African War + Mano Campaign

Not technically a proxy, but the Algerian war between Iberia and Italy would be killed too. All in all, this would nuke close to half of all the proxy wars in TNO.

>>2064607
And as anons accurately pointed out last thread: it'd remove the lobster war, wrecking Brazil's entire intro.

>>2064607
Madagascar rebellion was the DV before the actual DV. The removal of a Reichskommissariat for a typical European colony wiki scrape. The rebellion would still be there but with more wiki people

>>2052545
>Africa Addio: Noted vexatious litigant Kateryna refuses to deny DV integration, sparking fears that the RKs and SAW will be deleted sooner than expected
4chan once again got it right before everyone else. Kneel, devniggers.

Modern TNO is the superior iteration of the mod. While the Panzer-era version offered polished, self-contained focus trees for a select few nations, it lacked the depth and global engagement that modern TNO provides.

Modern TNO introduces a comprehensive political and economic system, incorporating elements like GDP, inflation, debt, and budget management. This adds layers of strategic depth beyond military conquest. The world feels more alive, with nearly every nation having event frameworks and policies, creating a dynamic Cold War environment.

However, this evolution comes with trade-offs. Many beloved focus trees from the classic era, such as those for the UK and Burgundy, have been removed or altered, leading to a sense of loss for some players. The new UI has been divisive; while some appreciate its thematic design, others find it cluttered and difficult to navigate. Additionally, the added complexity of the economy can be overwhelming, especially for those accustomed to the simplicity of earlier versions.

Despite these drawbacks, the modern version's expansive scope and depth offer a more engaging and immersive experience. It transforms TNO from a series of isolated narratives into a living, breathing world where every decision can have far-reaching consequences. For players seeking a rich, multifaceted grand strategy experience, modern TNO is the clear choice.

>>2064642
All of these Reddit pastes read like propaganda from a dystopian novel where they try to convince people that living in a pod and having no rights is better than we used to have it.

>>2064642
shut the fuck up nigger

>>2064698
It's a paste, namefag.
At least I hope it is. Honestly you could probably get an AI to make these just by telling them to use soulless corporate speech.

>>2064588
Well researched means wikiscrape with a few ctrl+f replacements. America funded X ultranationalist group to fight the Soviets? No! Germany funds X ultranationalist group to fight the Americans! There. Researched.
So well-researched. *huffs farts*

>>2064703
the nudevs are dunning-kruger personified
think they're geniuses because they slightly changed cameroon's otl borders and said it totally wasn't otlism
like actually look at dv's proposed shit

>>2064704

see: >>2056631
say it with me:
>nothing
>ever
>happens
forever
that's tno's timeline now
nothing happening despite the allies getting routed on every front in ww2

>>2064675
>>2064698
>>2064701
You're retarded. I just asked chatgpt to compare old and new TNO

>>2064708
No way lmao it reads just like those shitty Reddit posts.

>>2064558
ahahahahaha where are the fags that said this would never happen
>"DV LORE DOESNT MATCH TNO LORE!"
ahahahahaha

>>2064734
Yeah lmao.
"This would require Britain to be reworked!"
Guess what? Britain is being reworked!

>>2064706
If you'd actually studied history, you'd know that Something is Always Happening, but to an anchored observer it looks like Nothing Ever Happens. If you were alive for 30 Years War or English Civil War, you'd have said Nothing Ever Happens because "neither side lost", despite the entire world being remade completely just by the fact that the war occured at all. What, because German victory is different than IRL it should amount to some Eschatological "thing happening"? Don't be a naive little kid. World marches on regardless.

>>2064834
Did you use chatGPT to generate this
Ahem, anyways, literally nothing changes in TNO's nu-timeline, that's the problem
everyone goes about their business exactly the same, even when it makes no sense
who backs leftist unrest in Mexico when the USSR is a bunch of warlord statelets of various ideologies with no power projection capability?

>>2064837
>Write bad
>"stfu esl"
>Write good
>"oh okay chatgpt"
Sigh...

>>2064837
>who backs leftist unrest in Mexico when the USSR is a bunch of warlord statelets of various ideologies with no power projection capability?
Japan.
>Bu-
SHUT UP YOU MEDIA ILLITERATE CHUD

>>2064840
You need to write mid.

>>2064854
But then you're just fighting a war on two fronts...

>>2064860
Jokes aside, the accusation came from the fact someone already >>2064708 used chatgpt to make a post ITT

>>2064864
I'm aware, just playing along.
>>2064708
I'm surprised people had a difficult time telling, ChatGPT usually types like it's listing out bullet points on a list with stilted, enabling language.
Reddit seems to try to be more, mmm, "quirky" and hugbox-y? Even critical statements usually get a cushion at the end so people don't feel bad after reading it.

>>2064642
>>2064865
I hate how these programs by default spew out something that is generally what prompters want to read and not what's actually the case.
You basically never see a cluster of words that is 100% critical of anything.
I can't even call this tone blunt, blunt would be nice, this is more like that guy who always pauses for two moments too long whenever he finishes a sentence.
>sentences stuffed with commas
>However,
>In spite of,
>Despite these drawbacks,
>Although,
>random paragraph that voices a crippled counteropinion

>>2064865
>I'm surprised people had a difficult time telling, ChatGPT usually types like it's listing out bullet points on a list with stilted, enabling language.
nayrt but your example is more of a Discord thing. Redditors trying to sound smart have a very robotic way of writing too. At least when they can go 5 minutes without mentioning Star Wars. Rare, but it happens.

>>2064870
Give me a fair and balanced take on the Holocaust and the slavery/emancipation of the Slavic race in TNO, AI.

Hitler might have loved ChatGPT if it came out during his time.
Would Taboritsky have loved it, though?

>>2064882
>ChatGPT, where is he?! WHERE IS THE TSAREVICH?!
>Sources indicate that Alexei Romanov died in 1918. Howe-
>DIE YOU LYING KIKEBOT HE'S ALIVE HE'S ALIVE
Doubt he'd be a fan.

>>2056891
This kind of optimism clashes far too hard with the premise of "the Axis won WW2". No matter the state of the current team, I'm shocked nobody thought of tossing the idea into the bin.
What's even the point of establishing the premise if you're just going to spend most of your time invalidating it or using it to make bland oatmeal? Why didn't the current team take over another mod with an entirely different premise, why did they specifically take the "Axis victory" mod where the uncomfortable aspects of the scenario just get written out?
It reaches the point where it starts to feel a bit like its whitewashing the Axis by implying them winning wouldn't lead to too much drama.

>>2064893
There are way too many stories of schizos managing to get ChatGPT to talk to them like they are the chosenone starchild and GPT was an angel of god. I imagine Tabby would gaslight it into agreeing with Tzarevich theory and then it would become his closest advisor.

>>2064913
Nah, he's a boomer, he wouldn't get it.

>>2064558
Send the proposal or fake.

>>2065009
Cope of the century. Sadly.

>>2065009
Source says he doesn’t have access to it. I’m sorry, anon.

>>2064558
I wouldn’t be surprised, but do we actually have a document? They’re starting to post fake shit in here now with some actual effort behind it, like the fake update delay announcement a few days back.

>>2065067
Why would we need a document? The submod has been revealed for ages and they actively post teasers. What could you even learn from it? We also know that DV's plans for Africa perfectly mirror TNO's own so it'd be weird if they didn't. But I guess we cannot know for sure unless they officially reveal it.

>French Equatorial Africa was reworked and now it's a bunch of OFN-backed states at game-start
Is there anything they won't rework out of oblivion?

>>2065094
>Is there anything they won't rework out of oblivion?
Perhaps one man... Who's strong enough for even the TNO devs to fear his might.

New hotfix dropped. nothing significant. Country path selector is still broken and missing droves of loc so

>>2064893
Alexei lives

TNO Kiwi edition progress

>>2065283
Portugal

>>2065279
>>2065283
>>2065291
God bless whoever gave the dev the leaked Git builds.

>>2065279
>Atlantaropa
VGH...

>>2064558
>Well researched
I am not knowledgeable on africa and didn't read their new purposal, but considering how "well researched" their nu lore for other nations I'm ready to bet 100 bucks it's less realistic than atlantropa
>>2064913
This lmao. Every time some schizo on /pol/ spams how they uncovered some deep truth about the universe and use AI as proof i laugh my ass off.
AI is both a yes man and willing to make shit up.
It's kinda evil that it can act as an enabler to mentally ill people
>>2063438
>>2063444
>Goebbels is now alive
>As he faces crisis after crisis he slowly returns to the ideas of his youth, going more and more leftist
>Corporations start acting against him, church joins him
>In response he allies with Heydrich loyalists and pushes occultism
>Lots of special interactions with Men, Hyperborea, Evola and Serov
Kino
Just kidding if they do retcon the assassination he'll be Borman's minister that goves 0.01 pp per day

2WRW is undergoing a coup attempt from a realism clique of their own.
They want to reintegrate the mod back into TNO by adopting the new map.
These nudevs want to force this change on the rest of the team.

>>2066235
They want to make their own DV and skeletonize Africa.
This is also being forced upon the rest of the team by these devs.

>>2066235
FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK

>>2066235
>>2066238
Africa rework WIP.

>>2066238
congo lake does stink, but it was apart of the ORIGINAL VISION
so they should keep it

>>2066242
Okay, on first inspection this doesn't look too bad. Can this state make it past 1964 though?

>>2066238
>Lead dev says no
>They just ignore it and keep pushing it
What the fuck?

>>2066248
It's a skeleton that replaces the RKs. So yes but all content is being removed.

>>2066246
Congo lake should be kept. It's an instant visual que of what kind of world TNO is, and makes fighting in Congo a bit easier by reducing the amount of land with no supply.

>>2066251
Agreed. Having the Congo Lake makes the world feel unique even with Atlantropa gone.

>>2066238
>germany would promote islam
nigga what?

>>2066235
>>2066238
>>2066242
TNO devniggers aren't sending their best

>>2066242
I hate it and I hope everyone involved in nu-TNO steps on a shit-covered rusty nail.

>>2066289
>the devcord leaks of a clique pushing the reintegration in defiance of at least one lead disproven by a random community member
I agree but only because the nudev infiltrators were stupid enough to reveal their plans in a visible devcord channel instead of conspiring in DMs like the TNO devs they look up to.

>>2053895
>The previous duality was between Stalinism and reformism
even doe it was actually between "it was a good thing" stalinists and "it never happened" stalinists

>>2066238
>congo lake is mathematically improbable
But it isn't? The nudevs literally argued in favour that it was plausible unlike atlantropa
Fucking niggers, give an inch they take a mile

>>2066360
Imagine being more of a retarded brainlet than the original TNO nudevs.

It started with Ewatta and it ended with I know more than you.

>>2066614
>Ended
I think we still have further to fall.

>>2066235
>>2066238
Nigger no one is subscribed to your mod to play mini games and watch "realistic" skeletons do fuck all. Join TNO if you want to do this shit you stupid fags.

It's so joever TNO bros....

>>2067364
>>2064558
Why did you repost this?
Honestly between this and 2WRW being hijacked I'm ready to just declare TNO completely dead and beyond saving.

honestly the ost is the last good thing about the mod, even without ayden

>>2067520
>Frost pings everyone
>Good news, we ended the social experiment of having a OST.
>We believe that the synth-heavy and electronic style is very problematic.
>Now you will only have the vanilla soundtrack.
>We also added a feature that starts playing a blank super event every five seconds to interrupt any attempt to play a custom radio station.
>Removing this script causes the game to crash.
>You're welcome.

So since 2WRW is having tno effect crises does this means that Kiwifarms is the only salvation for TNO ?

>>2067812
I wouldn't entirely count them out yet. A lot of the team and the community hates these kinds of changes so there's still hope. But for now yes, one (1) lone autist from KiwiFarms is the safest bet for the preservation of a good version of TNO.

>>2067824
At what point did the official team become unsalvageable for this scenario to even come into fruition?
Imagine if Kiwi Farms gets DDOSed once word gets out that said guy's mod is even a thing.

>>2067828
>At what point did the official team become unsalvageable for this scenario to even come into fruition?
Consensus is that TNO was hijacked some time after Pacifica left in 2022 and that the cancer became terminal in 2023, completely inoperable with the Mango hijack. If you mean 2WRW then judging by the leaks they only suffered a coup in recent weeks.

>Imagine if Kiwi Farms gets DDOSed once word gets out that said guy's mod is even a thing.
They get DDOSed 24/7 and have their own internal DDOS mitigation software. Even if the site goes down temporarily the Git with the mod is still publicly viewable.

>>2067374
I didn’t.

>>2067878
>>2067374
TNO was always shitty, I remember the consensus after the first weeks of initial hype being that it sucked because Panzer was a radlib who only somewhat tolerated the fun aspects of the mod (Tabby, Burgundy, somewhat fun wars, etc), and otherwise despised the idea of players having fun playing "evil" countries such as Nazi Germany and the like.

People were disappointed immensely that you couldn't actually go to war with Germany as any version of Russia, and that the the mod has numerous failstates (something which TNO practically invented and eventually made mainstream) which didn't allow you to actually succeed as the country/path you wanted to win as. Even back then, it was immediately understood by the HOI4 community at large that punishing and lecturing the player for playing ideologies the devs didn't like was beyond faggy, and that the mod had wayyy too many events for nonsense that didn't even matter. Think the 20-part event chain about lesbians in the UK escaping le ebil natzees and so forth, it was ridiculed on masse back then, and it still is now.

>>2068082
Yeah basically this. TNO always ran on hype and toozers, the moment it actually released the disappointment set in. Panzer was an incompetent and pretentious retard that gets undeservedly lionized by anons in this thread.

>>2068082
>>2068207
Disagree. A lot of people loved the content that was there and still do. If we didn't, we wouldn't be so upset about the death of the mod. But that's a "problem" for the devniggers. We weren't supposed to have fun. It's why all their reworks are tailor-made to ruin anything that was ever good about the mod and why they keep removing any obstacle between the player and the intended message. End result? Fucking no one plays the thing any more.

>>2068215
Honestly I think you just can't polish a turd, especially one as large as TNO.

>>2068218
You can make it good. The universe had a lot of fun elements to it. Just imagine if everything was built around setting the table for a major war like vanilla and every other mod and you could have a great mod. But the devniggers always fought against this until the mod was destroyed. And the moment a Redux looked like it was about to change things for the better it got hijacked by TNO devs. There was hope but the devniggers just had to destroy it. It took them years to destroy even the last shred of hope, but they did it.

I'm sick of people comparing TNO (no gameplay, bad wannabe VN) with Cookie Clicker (real game).

>Elements such as timing harvests or Golden Cookies based on how many cookies you have banked determines yields, allowing for strategic depth and planning
>Investments into Dough Jones has greater depth, complexity and player freedom than TNO's economy and yields from it can be invested freely
>A lot of tricks and exploits such as resetting to avoid paying cookie loan sharks gives you achievements, not a railroaded fail state
>Subtle messages about the environment, working conditions, elder abuse and more, cleverly and non-intrusively conveyed without moralizing or sacrificing gameplay
>Substantial buildings on offer, each adding something to the cookie economy and often tying into various mechanics such as the stock market and magic
>Caters both to active and passive playstyles, the prior of which requires more engagement than most new tags added by TNO

On the surface, a nonsense idle game about clicking on a cookie that proves to be a lot smarter and deeper than it actually is, as opposed to something that tries to come off as an intelligent game but simply ends up being grandstanding retardation.

Not even a shitpost, I unironically like Cookie Clicker and even I think TNO is lacking in gameplay.

>>2052538 (OP)
is the brazil update out?

>>2068374
Yes, and it’s a nothing burger. So boring, no one here or on the ‘farms made an AAR yet. lol

>>2068405
didnt they just add content to like 2 paths no one cares about? idk why they couldnt just finish the paths that already existed

>>2068082
For all the retarded stuff TNO had you still had some very fun stuff like Britany smuggling weapons into Europe, the German civil war and Russian warlords, not to mention atlantropa giving the mod a very unique identity. Also a decent amout of proxy wars. It was far from perfect, I don't support having pathes that just inevitably cuck your country but you still had actual gameplay

>>2068421
A good team would've listened to the feedback and doubled down on what people liked, changed course. We know that there were definitely people on the team that wanted that. Instead the devniggers deleted everything people liked and made the mod unplayable and awful on purpose.

There's a timeline where TNO reformed into being like TFR, all I'm saying.

>>2064558
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
fucking schizo won

Now that all the low hanging fruit "updates" are out, how many years until TNO releases their next major update? Will the DV integration be another cope update to distract the fans?

>>2068520
We know from the December leaks that near new years they hadn't even designed the GCW replacement. So V&J isn't happening. With how much of a wet fart Brazil was I can't imagine morale being high.

>>2064558
>it's over
It will never stop until only usa otl is playable.

>>2066235
>>2066238
HOLY BASED
FINALLY
THE CONGO LAKE IS GONE

>>2067531
You WILL listen to the beatles and you WILL like it!

>>2068082
>>2068207
Strong agree. Despite his positives and having some good ideas Panzer was at practice as much of an insufferable faggot as current devniggers are. Trannyfica was a grooming wreck since the start, nothing salvageable there.
>>2068234
With that logic Kalterkrieg could turn into a great mod which is never happening.

>>2068533
try harder discord jannie

>>2068549
It always was in need of a redux, now more than ever since the mod is no more.

>>2068533
Are you even trying any more?

>>2068549
I can't tell if you're genuinely retarded or just missing the point on purpose to be a dumbass contrarian.
Yes, you can make something interesting out of an Axis WW2 victory full of Nazi possadism, the hunt for Tsars, Red Alert Russia and even Emperor Nixon. TNO devs just refuse to because they're fart huffing faggots that want to turn HOI4 into the world's worst TCT mod.
No, you can't make anything interesting out of KK because there is absolutely nothing there, a blank canvas has more character than it ever had or will.

This is why we hate the TNO devniggers for squandering what had potential and no one cares about KK and never will.

Can someone send the screenshot in which Kateryna attempts to file a lawsuit again

>>2068691
>>2054132
It's already been posted in this thread.

>>2068569
Kalterkrieg is a relic of 2018-era modding. Purely cosmetic leaders, flat paths. Say what you want about TNO (at least the early period) but they knew that having memorable characters is the key for a memorable mod.

>>2068703
It's not even 2018-era modding. It's just vanilla HOI4. In 2018 you had Kaiserreich with Huey Long, Ungern Sternberg, Oswald Mosley, Charles Curtis, Pyotr Wrangel and many others. They weren't fleshed out but they were certainly not cardboard cutouts. Kalterkrieg somehow couldn't even be bothered to do that.

Does anyone have the original Chile doc? Or at least the map? I remember they were supposed to have a civil war and that there was BurgSys content involved

>>2068819
>>2068829
Post the actual link I ain't typing in all that. Also I wouldn't do it because they probably harvest e-mails and shit those skeevy fucks.
>Other: You're a faggot Corn

>>2068841
Link dead
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAlpQLSf039-H7paChZ4zAvQeRdAk4edPuuJO2wCi7gtwPmiftED-VQ/viewform

>>2066235
>>2066238
>>2066242
>Africa rework dev is gone
>Africa rework dev is gone
>Africa rework dev is gone
>Africa rework dev is gone
>Africa rework dev is gone
>Africa rework dev is gone

>>2069040
real?

>>2067812
Will the Kiwi Farms edition finally allow you to unify the country as any of the factions in the Urals? I'm not even referring to Dirlewanger, the Orenburg communes seem like they should have had that option from the start to more directly rival the Siberian Black Army.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3489176576&searchtext=TNO+economic+Equestria

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486345496&searchtext=tno+china

gentlemen, the only remaining good part of tno has been ported to vanilla and equestria at war.
no more reason to play tno now, lol

>>2069080
Five from Heldenvolk is calling himself the new 2WRW lead in their discord. I don't think he leans towards reworkism considering the South Africa content that has been shown. We will have to wait and see, though. Also when the fuck is Omsk coming out?

>>2069154
>The Reddit has been so thoroughly banned and browbeaten that they celebrate breaking mechanics as an interesting feature
Beyond parody.

>>2069203
They said that the testers wanted more bug fixing but if they're in the middle of dealing with TNO devs infiltrating the mod and trying to hijack it then who knows. If Five is a lead then that would explain the post about the Africa rework dev being gone. Let's hope the Redux can be saved.

>>2064558
Did they really fuck up the Heldenvolk dev? I remember him trying so hard to push his South Africa to be integrated, but I guess you have to be in the inner devstate of TNO to even have a chance of integration

>>2054336
If the current team actually did this, would it be generally accepted, or would it finally break the illusion of TNO being good?
>>2069229
>Beyond parody
The only way I could justify this is if it was for some sort of mega-ultra brutal difficulty setting where you're the only one who has to deal with those debuffs (might be funny seeing a crippled Reich getting sundered by slave revolts they normally would have easily put down).
If the dev team is placing that much priority on "realism", then they should make the setting actually feel grim and like we're genuinely living in the aftermath of several continents getting absolutely destroyed by the winners of WW2, instead of adding shit like Germany suffering zero consequences for nuking their literal breadbasket colony, or surface-level feel-good events that do nothing to stave off the fact that the true, evolved scale of Axis atrocities will never fully come to light even in cases where the Reich successfully becomes a democracy.
Or better yet, as plenty of anons have suggested, just make TNO a visual novel in some other engine instead of forcing a square peg through a round hole.

Are any of the new Redux's working on Balkan content?

>>2069572
No.
2WRW is dealing with a realism clique coup. If the coup is defeated they might add it if someone joins the team in the future wants to otherwise they'll just become more like TNO.
TNO:RA is working on Russia and restoring cut Iberia content right now, dev has not posted anything about the Balkans.

desu with how reworked all Balkan tags are the whole region would have to be remade from scratch. Turkey and Greece dev is dead, everyone else is a tepid skeleton and nothing was made with playability in mind. It's grim.

Argentina / Uruguay lead has been hinting at a major rework of the Uruguay skeleton, which he has begun to detail with several current paths scrapped and new ones popping up. The Uruguay skelly rework will be coupled with False Dawn, Argentina's update. However, False Dawn remains in the conceptual stage, and, according to the lead's words, is a while away from dev actually beginning in earnest

>>2069765
>literal who country skeleton getting scrapped and redone from scratch
>dependent on another full country rework that hasn’t even started yet

I’m tired, anons.

>>2069765
Let me guess, past dev annoyed a lead and now a friend of said lead is remaking a skeleton from scratch? And all unplayable routes are being replaced with new unplayable routes that are 90% dull democracies?
I hate devniggers so much.

>>2069765
Looking forward to see this planned rework get reworked too, anon.

Are any of the VP people besides Nixon of interest to /vst/ at all? I'd say that there might be some, but they read like:
>Fail state
>Railroaded bad ending
>Unplayable post-fail state
Most of it reads like it's just dozens upon dozens of generic liberals which is just an insane level of scope especially when so many are so similar.

>>2069846
Nixon is modern conservative? What? He was silent conservative lmao. Also, liberals having "bleeding heart liberalism" as an ideology is stupid, that is an insult levied against them, its like calling an ideology "racist idiot movement" lmao. Nuclear liberalism? That sounds just like bloat. Its just neoconservatism but not that right isnt it? sounds like it
Unironically? This all reads like fanfic it doesn't fit with Vote Pig or anything Mango has previously established. Probs the retarded wet dream of a team member, nothing more

>>2069780
No, same dev did the previous skeleton and will now rework it lmao

>>2069793
Don't we all?

>>2069875
No, a lot of this lines up with revisions after the original Vote Pig document dropped, but it is a bit old. You can see that Fong isn't there instead of Romney and some of the stupider Republican paths with collapse states aren't there. The inconsistent ideologies are likely a byproduct of revisions.
>Stupid fanfic
As opposed to what? Evil Republicans couping each other whenever they aren't causing WW3? The fact that it's stupid as hell lines up perfectly with VP and it only got stupider with time.

>>2069171
so anyone played these submods?
Does it work in equestria at war and vanilla?

Tno has taught me one thing and that you need someone on the reigns to force people to do shit and finish things. Pink panzer pls come back. Tno needs another dictator

>>2070047
They have a dictatorial council of sorts through Mango, Lamounier et al.
>Been there since the early days, will never leave
>Stopped having elections once they achieved power
>Can demand reworks of entire tags and scrap whole updates on a whim
>Exclusively recruit their friends and can block anyone else from advancement
>Controls moderation through their tranny-janny golem Kateryna
>Accountable to no one, bans all dissent
>Have successfully undone Panzer's entire legacy in TNO and turn the mod into unplayable garbage
If anything, current TNO is more of a dictatorship than Panzer's Fuhrerprinzip days. You do have someone on the reins to force people to "do shit and finish things". Namely: minigames and Wiki scrapes.

Does anyone know what the bump limit on vst is because we're over 500

>>2070073
The same as every blue board, 500. It's just falling off slowly because /vst/ is slow.

>>2070073
The bump limit is 500.
The thread's baker always makes a new thread once we hit page 10. He's been baking on time for over a year, you don't need to do anything.
/vst/ is a slow board so making one before page 10 is frowned upon.

>>2070063
So what you are telling me is we just need the right person back in charge. WE NEED PINK PANZER BACK

>>2070121
They already posted what the problem was in more detail. Original dev that left last year never made a working focus tree and just sat around fantasizing about mini games and purges. Fixing it started several months ago and it went into testing last month. So it was, in fact, remade.
According to the guy working on it it was incomprehensible how it was allowed to be that way for so long.

>>2070150
What is this absurd level of incompetence? It seems to be on every rung of the ladder of the development team. Will most of the problems go away once they stop trying to use the HOI4 engine to make a visual novel?

>>2070152
The old leads just straight up never played HOI4. A lot of them were nu-TNO devs (of looked up to them) and wanted to tell depressive stories and make Mexicos. Newer members wanted to move away from that and were unhappy that they were so unprofessional but based on the leaks you have pushback from people who want to be more like TNO.
That's why TNO development takes forever. People just don't know the game at all and dream up Denmark GUIs. And when you just have a few people who know the game, everything is much faster. Just look at TFR.

>>2063444
This whole shit with "realism" (and "pragmatism" as a casualty) ironically just made me further entrenched in my belief that people who go on about either and/or shit talk "idealism" are in fact the most radicalised people of all, because they believe their personal framework of reality is one-to-one with actual reality instead of just being some abstraction of it.

>>2070249
Hit the nail on the head with that one. Just look at QPQ as a perfect example.
>People I don't like would cause the apocalypse
>I'm smarter than you

>>2070290
tbf we barely avoided ww3 in cuba

>>2070543
>We avoided it
Thanks for agreeing that the devniggers are retarded for calling something inevitable when real life proved them wrong on that one.

New Italy dev confirmed Italy will not participate in the space race, the content has been cut, no paths will have a space agency and all the teased content and mechanics regarding that have been scrapped. Tragedy. But wait, he said "Italy may send a satellite but nothing more" to space instead. Wowzers!

>>2070605
Italy really suffers in TNO.
>deocratic paths rework frozen/probably scrapped
>red Italy definitely scrapped
>who knows what the fuck is going on with fascist Italy anymore
>Italo-german split dumpstered
>can never be a superpower
>now they can’t even enter the space race

>>2070623
(og anon)
This may just be paving the road to complete German dominance over Europe. There's already hints and whispers of reworks to the current skeletons of several European countries. Just a while ago the entirety of Greek content, with paths, endings and mechanics already teased, was scrapped and confirmed dead, including the very fun wars that were planned with Turkey, civil war and Italy. Further verified by Bulgaria for whatever reason getting Thrace just so no war can happen ever. This all seems to be part of a broader plan to cuck Italy and ensure all proxies go to Germany.
In the leaks I dropped early last year I announced it was a new team policy to not include Italy actively participating in any Balkan skeletons. Later in the year or early this one (mentioned in public chat) I shared that Italy and Germany would no longer be rivals but strong economic and diplomatic partners with some disagreements (which cucks what we know of Italy fascist content, btw).
In conclusion this all seems to me like an elaborate plot to destroy any relevance of Italy and make it a minor power that doesn't matter in anything. At most it will keep like Albania and Greece lol and its shitstain colonies that are confirmed to never be sustainable ever

>>2070605
>New Italy dev
Did they remove Pikeman?

>>2070290
The stupid thing about this was JFK was also inexperienced and largely didn't know what the hell he was doing either, but he's a Dem so these devniggers will treat him like an angel. JFK literally called his meeting with Khrushchev in 1961 the worst thing in his life and that he got savaged. JFK tried to debate Khrushchev on Communism and got absolutely owned, defended British Imperialism as a result and admitted to Khrushchev that China and the USSR were roughly equal to NATO in military strength. If this man could avoid WW3 in Cuba why couldn't Nixon have? Actually delusional to the maximum.

>>2070750
Tell me you are a commietroon without telling me you are a commietroon.

>>2070771
ayrt made sense until he (not a woman) went "Khrushchev beat JFK in a debate using communist FACTS and LOGIC".

>>2070771
Looks like a devnigger has replied early today. JFK will never be a good debater no matter how hard you wished he was.

>>2070775
Could go either way really. Lots of TNO members like to LARP as commies while being liberal. Frost is a good example of that: >>2054707
>I'm a staunch communist revolutionary you guys
>PLEASE vote for the establishment center-leftist! I beg you!
Or picrel, pretends to be a real serious left-winger, actually just a blue-no-matter-who radlib.
The person making all US content be about evil Republicans VS good Democrats btw.

Point is: it's a coin flip if the TNO dev is an open radlib, or a radlib pretending to be a communist.

>>2070640
But the entire point of TNO was that every member of the Axis won, not just Germany. Otherwise this is just TWR but with Germany as the OP superpower instead of the USA.

>>2071017
>Axis victory mod
>Looks inside
>Otl America, Japan is the USSR with right-wing conservative presidents, Germany is invincible and Russia is completely destroyed and unplayable.

>>2070623
source on red italy being dead?

>>2071073
See: >>2054870
Chat deleted and forced to do pretend work. It's completely fucking dead and the nu-leads are actively blocking them from coordinating work.

>>2055645
>setting is generally pessimistic or at best pragmatic
>or just killpeopleists like Omsk
>visionaries are explicitly optimistic about the future
>(old) writing showed Zhdanov as so dedicated to the cause that he doesn't even consider the 'economic realities' so he's a true believer
>rebuilding a broken state into one that's trying to reach a sort of utopia
There's a lot of reasons. It's just good old 50s and 60s science fiction's themes as a state.

>>2071131
>Sci-fi
Man I miss when TNO was full of soft sci-fi elements, from small touches to Mars exploration. Really made the setting more fun and interesting. But roflmao can't hade that in our REALISTIC Axis Victory Mod.

Okay fellas does someone still have the mexico leaks

>>2071366
This one?

>>2071388
Yeah that one, thanks anon

>>2071396
yw anon.
Crazy how they actually had some interesting content planned but all of it is beyond the demo. Worse, a lot of it's just fail states. Typical TNO.

>>2071131
I direly hope 2WRW Omsk is fun

The ONE rework in Russia I'm actually excited for is Ultranat Chita being a top 3 worst ending. I want to see Black Hundredists larp their way to reunification over the skulls of liberals, communists, and minorities.
>KNIGHTS OF HONOR AND DUTY - FORWARD!

>>2071439
Hopefully the hijack attempt didn't ruin it. With our luck however...

>>2071472
They're still stuck on Amur after three years. Just let it go. Corn has killed Russia dev.

It went from "Fascist Italy can become a superpower if it perfectly manages its mechanics and gets the best results, and wins massively on the Oil Crisis" to tba...

>>2071758
I want to know their rationale for this. Why is it not certain if a well sized country with a great industry, economy, army and suzerainty over most of MENA could be a superpower?

*and a nuclear stockpile

>>2071761
I mean Italy never being able to become a superpower is logical if you consider the scrapping and deletion of the previous nuances of the Germano-Italian relationship and instead you grabbed the new rework, with Germany and Italy being good economic and diplomatic partners with a few disagreements regarding the Balkans and such, but fundamentally in a cordial and positive relationship.
We already know every country that flares in the Oil Crisis is to see their skeletons reworked, and the whole thing will be made from scratch with new ideas in mind. So we don't even know how much Italy can really keep, and how much it can directly oppose Germany, since the Regno is now in a subordinate relationship to the Reich.
If Germany and Italy are no longer actively fighting for spheres, but cooperating with just a few disagreements here and there, where is the possibility for the Balkans, for example, to be a hotbed of struggle between the two countries? If they are now partners, it follows they won't clash as they did in old TNO as strongly over the Middle East, East Europe, Latin America, etcetera, which would give Italy a major reduction in their chance to gain a strong bloc and become a superpower.
Not to mention an arab dev already mentioned the whole Oil Crisis is unrealistic, saying all these countries collapsing into civil wars would increase oil production and supply (don't follow the logic desu) so it wouldn't happen in the first place. If they are already saying it is unrealistic, we may end up seeing a wholly different Oil Crisis where Italy has lower participation and less victories.
Consider:
>Italy is a subordinate ally of Germany, the Axis never truly ended, the Triumvirate wasn't that important of a thing
>Italy loses its space program and participation in the space race, a major claim to legitimacy and prestige.
>Entire Oil Crisis rework announced.
This could just be the groundwork for a new Italy that "works out its issues" as a middling power.

>>2056295
>narrative focused mod
>the text is still miniscule
Ummmm.... abelist much?

>>2071758
>>2071771
I fucking hate this.

>>2071761
>rationale
Realism/Lamounier's German plot armor.

>>2068234
>And the moment a Redux looked like it was about to change things for the better it got hijacked by TNO devs
Sounds like a classic case of "telling other people to make their own [X] if they don't like the [X] currently being offered, only to actively sabotage anybody's attempts to make their own [X]". I swear, the people who use that argument in response to criticism never mean it.

>>2071894
I remember the devs here used to mock the community for now being able to make a Redux. Well someone was able to. But if you look at the leaked screenshots it really makes you think that the realism hijack attempt started exactly when Brazil released as if a sleeper cell got activated. I know it sounds ridiculous but when you consider that TNO had a literal long march through its institutions and a series of schemes to morph it into a completely different game in a half decade process of reworks, would you really put it past the nu-devs to try?

I'm so tired, /vst/.
I just wanted a fun Axis victory mod.
Instead we ended up with a bunch of political activists removing everything and then salting the earth so that nothing good will grow. They created their small army of reworkers hell-bent on removing anything fun from not just their mod, not just all submods, but from any HOI4 mod.

Was it too much to ask for just a bit of fun?

>>2071771
>saying all these countries collapsing into civil wars would increase oil production and supply
What the fuck? How?

>>2071969
>but from any HOI4 mod
Not an Axis victory mod, but TFR is pretty good. Just got an update as well that added some new fun paths.

>>2072266
Probably the same way a lot of these things work in TNO.
>Nazis and Japanese imperialists win WW2
>Somehow, all of the Americas are more stable and liberal because it just is

>>2072306
ayrt's point still stands, TNO devniggers absolutely want to remove anything fun from every HOI4 mod including TFR.

>>2072306
>>2072320
Absolutely seething.

>>2072320
>If I was in charge of TFR I'd remove the major event that makes everything that happens in the mod possible
Kek, what the fuck?
>>2072322
What a fag.

>>2072325
>wtf
Same people decided to remove the GCW which also enabled all subsequent events and allowed them to rework everything from scratch just to make it worse. See a pattern? Given the chance the TNO devs would absolutely do the same to TFR that they did to the mod they hijacked.

>>2072325
>The ACW is no longer a thing, so 1EW can't happen any more it'd be unrealistic
This is what they'll do and the reworks will follow from it.

>>2072365
>>The ACW is no longer a thing, so 1EW can't happen any more it'd be unrealistic
You'd also lose the Taiwan war and GAW, no Israel getting ganged up on by the rest of the Middle East either. Literally would just be OTL, why the hell would he want to cut out the most important war in the mod?

>>2072370
Because they hate everything that isn't just a shallow OTL Wiki scrape or some ideological wankfest. So the why is obvious. A better question is why they don't just work on MD or CWIC instead. But both of them are more interesting than TNO and what the TNO devs would want to turn TFR to tbf.

>>2066235
>the dev saying he liked the ODF borders left the comm server

>>2072320
>>2072322
Funnily enough this isn’t even the dev Frolicking, although I find both to be aggravating. This is a SEPARATE guy who imitates him for some reason. Seriously pathetic to have so little personality that you’re reduced to copying TNO devs.

>>2072869
Bruh