I'm thinking of trying it because it's on sale, I was a big fan of Victoria 2 but always hated how it encouraged you to become a socialist/liberal democracy at the end of the game to maximize pop growth and the economy.

Looking over the artwork for Victoria 3 this game looks to be that but dialed up to 11. How bad is it? Is playing a reactionary absolute monarchy viable or are you bottlenecked until you enact the reforms the developers want you to take?

>>2077227 (OP)
>How woke is Victoria 3?
Not at all. I SLEPT IT OVER

>>2077227 (OP)
It's about 40% woke, 10% econ 101 and 50% dogshit warfare system that requires micro.

>>2077245
>50% dogshit warfare system that requires micro
did they move away from the limited control front-based stuff that made all the toy soldier prussia pros mad on release?

>>2077227 (OP)
why are there blacks?

>>2077284
Why wouldn't there be, chud?

>>2077248
No, and that's a good thing because despite its flaws it's still better than manually moving each little army across the world individually.
The worst part of it is that the military menu is the worst ui design I've ever seen.

>>2077284
At least there were black people in America who could have feasibly been amongst the suffragettes. They made the Paris commune black.

>>2077248
No, every update they tweak it to fix some glaring issues and introduce game-breaking bugs.
Right now, some naval invasions just never complete & get stuck at 99%. In 1.8 I had a case where, after succeeding on a naval invasion, the frontline was created, but my invading army still needed >30 days to reach it. By then the defending army had already retaken the state. And there was only one state which I could invade, so the war was impossible to win.

>>2077294
Based Paradox devs copying Imperial German anti-French propaganda

>>2077227 (OP)
One of the objectives you can choose even before starting a game is to make your country an "egalitarian society", whatever the hell that means.
So you fucking tell me.

>>2077248
No, they doubled down and that's why the game sits at mixed reviews

if you consider
>slavery is a bad economic system
to be a woke opinion, don't get vicky3.

>>2077336
Slavery is a bad economic system for a capitalist and consumerist society.
The USSR had no problem being one.

>>2077326
It means you have brainrot

>>2077227 (OP)
Victoria 2 doesn't even encourage you to be Liberal or Socialist though. In vanilla Liberal parties usually have laissez faire which is the worst economic law and every social policy except healthcare and minimum wage makes your economy worse for no benefit. Victoria 2 actually encourages you to be reactionary and Fascism is objectively the best political system because it has the best economy type (state capitalism), jingoism, and it lets you freely choose your reforms.

And even though your premise is wrong, why would it even be a bad thing? The Victorian period is the story of liberalism becoming the dominant political and ideological system fuelled by the engine of industrial capitalism. So logically the game should make liberalism strong and should encourage you mechanically to become liberal, because liberalism won historically. Reactionarism, conservatism, and fascism all failed. So the fact that mechanically you are encouraged to adhere to those ideologies is a failure of gameplay and historical accuracy.

>>2077294
>who could have feasibly been amongst the suffragettes.
they weren't though

>>2077382
People forget that suffragettes were almost all rich. Poor women were too busy working and raising kids to worry about voting. Rich women had too much free time and not enough responsibility which gave them plenty of time to bitch.

>>2077336
Slavery is (obviously) a more profitable system than paid labor for the agricultural sector.

>>2077227 (OP)

>>2077227 (OP)
it's a neoliberalism simulator

whether or not it's woke is irrelevant when it's as shit as it is

>>2077415
Yeah but the problem is instead of putting money in workers' pockets which they can then spend, stimulating the economy, most of the money goes into a rich person's pockets. He'll spend some of it on luxury goods, but most of it'll just be saved (or invested in stocks, which, again, doesn't actually contribute to product demand so it doesn't really grow an economy on its own).

>>2077227 (OP)
if you're the type of person that's concerned about how woke a game is, it's too woke for you

>>2077326
>>2077227 (OP)
>chuds mad a historical game is historical
Why are you playing a game about the advent of liberalism?

>>2077227 (OP)
it is beyond woke with best economical model beinc commie cooperative ownership/collcetivized farming and multiculturalism being pushed on a player to get more workforce because game modeled in a way where player runs out of workforce. not to mention niggers everywhere like on your picrel despite game exist in a time where racial segreagation was going for a whole period.

>>2077461
If the plantation system existed in a vacuum and the entire world was 1% landowners 99% slaves then yes, this would be true. But in reality the urbanized economy can only exist with a slave or slave like agricultural system.
We're not removed from this today. You think the millions of Mexican migrant laborers are being paid minimum wage? We essentially still have slavery today, we just pay them the least possible pittance so it isn't technically.

>>2077488
Well, that's a gross assumption. But under capitalism, yes. The game doesn't really simulate the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, or active market speculation. Though, it might in the future, like how the wages got reworked.

>>2077490
>under capitalism
Under every system. There is no way to make farming a well paid profession. Not until strawberries cost $10 each.

>>2077493
See, you're kind of assuming spending half your paycheck on rent every month is normal. It's not a matter of making farming well-paid, it's pushing the cost of living and raising children down.

>>2077507
>you could live on minimum wage if literally everything from accomodation to food to utilities to commodities were funded by the government
Well, yeah. And slaves could live on what they were provided by their masters.
But there's no scenario where farm workers can afford anything more than necessities under any system, there are simply too many of them and their production too low in value for anything other than that.

>>2077511
You also forget to consider that automation and technology doesn't progress, because treating people like shit is just cheaper in the short term. Who invents a strawberry picker robot, when you have a slave, anyway?

>>2077513
>Who invents a strawberry picker robot, when you have a slave, anyway?
Every inventor in the US pre-1865?

Who cares? The real issue is that the game is a spreadsheet simulator. I'm sure there are way Higher IQ bros than me who are just fine with that and honestly I'd love to get into Paradox games but I am addicted to the real-time battles.

Lots of mods for M2 make the campaign map a lot more important than just as a vehicle to serve battles, give them context and as a map-painting sim. But they're never gonna be as deep as Paradox games.

I just can't get into them.

>>2077294
This game deserves an absolute boycott for this reason and this reason only.

(((They're))) literally trying to make you believe Current Year is normal.

>>2077441
I think those are Ottoman soldiers, and they looked like that. Not sure.

>>2077493
>Under every system. There is no way to make farming a well paid profession. Not until strawberries cost $10 each.
You're joking right? Modern farmers are VERY well off. Hell, they were well off in the US even back in early colonial days, most of America's starting wealth was from selling meat and corn.

>>2077547
They're French foreign legion soldiers in WW1. Note the uniforms.

>>2077550
I presume you are talking about the owners of the land, who even if they did work the land, would still be better classed as landowners than farmers.

>>2077547
Why are they in French uniforms and why are the guys in the image with helmets wearing French Adrian helmets, then?

>>2077558
Stole it.

>>2077556
No, I'm referring to the farmers who worked the land. Especially today. Farmers around where I live work their own land using machines. They're also very well off, pretty much all of them are building mansions these days.

Cultures with Absolute Nuclear and Stem Nuclear family structures tend towards mid-sized farms with landowning farmers who own the land they work, due to inheritance not getting fractured. Egalitarian Nuclear family structures, on the other hand, tend to see land fragment over time, eventually becoming too small to viably work and getting sold off to wealthy oligarchs. This is why Germanic countries tend to have those mid sized landowning farmers, whereas Latin countries tend to have ultra-wealthy oligarchs with non-landowning serfs. It's also why mid sized landowning farmers were commonplace in the northern US and Canada, whereas in the South, which had more wealthy French heritage oligarchs settling, you tended to see big plantations with slaves & impoverished freemen working them.

>>2077563
Again, I'm talking about workers, not owners. Think California, not Appalachia.

>>2077566
Alright so you're not talking about farmers but rather labourers. So, let's look at modern California fruit pickers. We'll take strawberries. Google is fairly dogshit for straightforward questions but I found a UK document citing 6-25kg of strawberries per hour per labourer, with an average being 10 kg, or 22 lbs. Fair to say the US probably isn't that different. Let's say a US mexican is on min wage, $16.50. 16.50 / 22 = 0.75c per lb of strawberries. Currently the average cost of a pound of strawberries appears to be $1.74, so 75c or so is labour and the other $1 is moving expenses & profit. To get $10/lb (nevermind $10 each) strawberries based on labour you'd need an extra $8.26 per lb, which at 22 lbs per hour would require paying them an extra $181.72/hour for a total of $198.22/hr. Your argument of "if we paid labourers well, strawberries would cost $10 each!!!" is plainly nonsensical because you'd have to pay far, far beyond what most people regard as the threshold for "well paid".
If you paid mexican labourers my wage (I'm a tradesman) of $32.81/hour, you'd still only be looking at an extra 75 cents per lb of strawberries for the end consumer in the store. Hardly breaking the bank.

You can use simple math to sanity check these things before buying into the retarded claims of people who insist that fair wages for fruit pickers, McDonalds workers, etc., would cause food prices to skyrocket. Their claims are blatantly comical and insane and easily disproven.

>>2077577
>the other $1 is moving expenses & profit.
Lmao, you say this like they use a $0.01 teleport.
Trucks, truck drivers, fuel, refrigerated storage all cost money. Not to mention strawberries between being harvested and in a store have about a single day's grace period. The margins on all fruits but particularly strawberries are incredibly poor, I know in your simplified world there's some great strawberry baron keeping the poor pickers down but the reality is profit margins are terrible. When you finally grow out of your teens you might realize focusing your ire on actually exploitative industries would be a more effective use of your seeth.

>>2077581
Ok so show the math that would make a labourer's pay increase lead to $10 per strawberry, your claim.
SHOW THE MATH or kill yourself.

>>2077586
>i am unfamiliar with hyperbole as a rhetorical device
The point is the price would increase, transportation costs would also increase because you have to pay truck drivers. This is all before we factor in migrant workers today are frequently NOT paid minimum wage, with no books or records but the threat of deportation if they complain, so the current price of strawberries (already deemed too high by many) may currently be being kept artificially low.

>>2077592
>The point is the price would increase
And I have done the math showing the increase would be minor. SHOW THE MATH that backs up your absurd claims or KILL YOURSELF.

only on 4chan do you have better economic discussions on a vidya board than the finance board

>>2077593
>I have done the math showing the increase would be minor
Not only do you concur with me that there would be a price increase but you didn't factor in increased truck driver wages.

>>2077596
That's the case everywhere, actually, unless you think neolibshittery in Econ departments and forums qualifies as good economic discussion.

paracucks

>>2077294
Lmfao what a sad joke.
This is infuriating and greatly demoralizing at the same time, how can normies eat this slop? Repulsive.
Who decides on that? For what purpose?

>>2077441
>>2077547
>>2077554
>>2077558
There were black african regiments in the French army in WW1 so I see nothing wrong with this pic unironically.

>>2077294
This shit however is a disgusting attempt at rewriting and denying native european people’s history and seems like a pre-genocidal rethoric.

>>2077602
If communism is so great how come no successful communist countries exist?

>>2077227 (OP)
GG

>>2077718
america and israel

>>2077716
>Who decides on that?
jews
>For what purpose?
tikkun olam

>>2077718
the real life reasons communism was bad arent really modeled in the game, even if you do have a civil war over communism unless you actively chose to you wont destroy your entire proleteriat and build up a huge security state that alienates people from the project(prints radicals in this sense i guess) also the flaws of central planning are removed by the fact inputs and outputs are just a spreadsheet with perfect efficiency

add to that that embargos arent that effective.

with perfect information communism works, this is also the argument of the book 'peoples republic of Walmart' which is basically that modern computerized supply chains would allow you to implement communism ideally as imagined

although I do sort of like how communism in game does actually produce a large petit bourgeois who actually do try to reverse it and implement fascism. this is why modern china is so party focused almost all their policy is to ensure that no class independent of the party can develop and assert itself

>>2077718
Xi and Kim send a (you).

>>2077898
I did not realize that China and North Korea were stateless moneyless societies and a loose collection of agrarian communes.

>>2077950
You can be communist (ideological belief) without being communist (end stage of human development)
This is like claiming if Christianity is so great why haven't we been raptured yet?

>>2078034
>This is like claiming if Christianity is so great why haven't we been raptured yet?
>don't worry bro the rapture is coming any day now!
See how insane this sounds. This is what communists sound like.

>>2078071
No communists say communism is coming any day now.

>>2077474
Because at the turn of the 20th century, countries were le hecking wholesome multicultural utopians without any discrimination

>>2077245
>>2077248
microing with hoi4 is very fun, atleast i get a kick out of encircling with tanks. i can actually plan fronts there.
vic3 i just feel miserable because they keep rolling bad.

>>2077717
>The black African soldier is front and centre in the artwork and is in a mixed unit which would never happen
You are way too lenient.

>>2077377
Liberalism didn't win in most of the games timeframe. It was crushed in 1848. The Paris Commune was stamped out. The prior Russian revolutions were crushed. Monarchies and empires were at their most powerful until 1914-1918, which is around when the game ends.

>>2077294
>The young quirky whiteboi being saved from battle by a black mama who wants his BWC

>>2078229
>france
>england
>america

It's so on the nose, it's not even funny.

>>2077796
This is pretty close to the truth. Though instead of it being some intentionally sinister plan for world domination, Jews really do think Tikkun Olam is healing the world, when in reality is just makes things worse for everyone, including themselves eventually (the progressive golem they worked hard to build has turned and has been rampaging against them)

>>2078229
>Monarchies and empires were at their most powerful until they just fucking collapse and disappear
Really makes you think.

>>2077294
>>2077382
>>2077527
>>2077716
>>2077717

No one complained when Vicky 2 splash art shows alt history scenarios like the US navy attacking London or Russia exploring the Congo. Why is alt-history suddenly a problem now?

>>2078108
Going multiculturalism is extremely difficult and basically a meme option on the same level as the nihilism ideology.

>>2078453
Funny how Vicky 2 alt history didn't involve NIGGERS.

>>2078453
Had you made this post on any normie social media, I might have taken the bait, but come on now.

>>2078484
Post yfw you realized the "memes" from /gsg/ about the racist shitkid "modder" V2 player weren't memes at all.

>>2078489
What did you think they were based on?

>>2078493
I did not take it seriously, because I missed the "Niggermod" incident.

>>2078229
Monarchies and empires lost because nationalism won. Big European empires were inherently incompatible with nationalism amd there was apready serious tensions stemming from it within Russian, Austrian and Ottoman empires. As a example a Finnish nationalist group had an unfulfilled - they had faulty intel about his travel schedule - plot to murder the czar over a decade before bolsheviks actually did it.

>>2078399
If they weren't powerful... why were the biggest liberal revolutions crushed in 1848? Metternich is too powerful..

>>2078497
The German Empire seemed to be doing well. Probably because the largest part of its population was actually made up of germans. Which, in a way, made it not so imperialist.

>>2078549
The German Caesar-Realm wasn't really an empire in the conventional sense, it was a national federation.

>>2078484
>>2078488
If the issue is hating black people then don't pretend a lack of historical accuracy is a problem.

>>2078592
Prove you're not a bad-faith tourist and call them niggers.

>>2078595
Nigger.

>>2077336
But it is. It doesn't help the common man only wealthy jews.

>>2077294
There being black revolutionaries among the Paris Communards makes more sense than black suffragettes. Alrewdy in 17th century the french aristocracy had quite a big hard on for the speciffic ideal of african that adopted french culture and this continues during the revolutionary years too.
Meanwhile, even the women in US were still quite racist, and sometimes more than the men.

>>2078453
Because nog inclusion in actual historical event =/= alt history in the same vein as Us Navy attacking London.

>>2078923
Why not?

>>2078924
Because its woke historical revisionism to pretend nogs were at the center of history from the start which isnt alt history.
You would have a point if it was african tribals attacking London or something like that.

>>2078741
This is the single most American post I've ever read.
15% of the 1920 American population were black. 0.1% of the 1871 French population were black.

>>2078541
And then Metternich was gone, and Hungary got bigger, somehow.

>win the war
>lose the peace
A classic.

>>2078943
>And then Metternich was gone, and Hungary got bigger, somehow.
Read this in the style of an Adam Curtis documentary.

>>2078924
One is alt history. The other is specifically nigger worship. Plus, you know they don't intend it as alt history where niggers are common, they intend to portray it as regular history but revised to be full of niggers.

>>2078592
We don't hate black people, we hate niggers. Know the difference.

>>2078988
Speak for yourself please.

>>2077227 (OP)
The whole game is woke. It makes the entire period a marxism/communism simulator. It FORCES you to push in this direction. The combat is awful. It doesn't even simulate WW1 well. The game forces you to free all the slaves and move toward communism/socialism and you NEVER go back. once slavery is gone there's never any mention of it. It treats all population as equal. Someone living in China in this period is equal to someone living in Europe. They will freely immigrate Africans or Asians into the west and they will immediately integrate. There's no problems about it. Game is complete propaganda for the left. Your population is divided into class, and that's all it cares about. The game is just paradox sucking Karl Marx's dick. Paradox devs who made it should kill themselves.

>>2078541
they were so powerful less than 100 years later every single one was replaced by a democracy lmao

>>2079285
Vic 2 was entirely divided into class as well

>>2079285
>The game forces you to free all the slaves and move toward communism/socialism
Strange, I've played plenty of games without going socialist.

>>2078592
I don't hate black people. I hate the forced diversity and worship of black people.

>>2079399
Including black people in art is "worshipping black people"?

>>2079402
What he means to say is he doesn't hate black people until he is reminded that they exist, then he is forced to remember that he hates black people.

>>2079399
There is no way that image is from Victoria 3.

>>2079402
including black people where they wouldn't exist historically is worshipping black people. find me a single record, photograph or artwork where there were black suffragettes marching alongside white women, black african men fighting alongside revolutionaries in the paris commune. or a mixed french unit of whites and blacks fighting together in WW1. didn't happen.

>>2079403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB42Hz349JM

Black units were also led by white officers. But Vic3 artists won't depict this at all cuz they pussies

grr fucking parakikes adding ahistorical niggers to paris
wait WHO was mayor of paris in 1879?

>>2079416
The exception proves the rule.

>>2079417
the last refuge of the retard

>>2079417
What exception? French fertility rate has been shit ever since Napoleonic wars. The policy of trying to integrate/convert immigrants/overseas born into French culture and national identity is over a century old. We just don't have the precise numbers, because French revolutionaries made it literally illegal to collect that data in a census.

>>2079407
>including russian explorers where they wouldn't exist historically is worshipping russian explorers. find me a single record, photograph, or artwork where there was a russian exploration of the congo

>>2077227 (OP)
>>2077294
>>2078389
>>2079399
>>2079412
It's a splash art, retard. You can have such laws that slowly exterminate or expel all non-yankee population in USA.
>>2077336
Ah yes, the economic powerhouse of slaver American South. It is terrible for economy. And it is terrible in Vicky 3, but for the wrong reasons.
>>2078229
damn this nigga is from alternate universe. The empires tried ro suppress the liberal/labor movements, but in the end they failed at it and it is one of the reasons that lead to their downfall - as the disillusioned citizens had pretty bad fighting moral (Austria-Hungary, Russia). In the entire timeframe of Vicky 3 (1830s-1930s) the monarchs and aristocrats were trying to hold onto absolute power and those who tried the most turned their countries into backwaters (Austria-Hungary, Russia, Ottoman Empire) that crashed and burned catastrophically. By 1934 the most liberal country in the world was the strongest, which does not happen in Vicky 3 - they need to fixt this - USA needs to overtake GB, by 1920s the colonies should be irrelevant and in fact should be money sink. Btw German Empire had a huge welfare state and was the first state to enact old age pensions.

>>2079429
1777 census of blacks in metropolitan France = around 5000
1807 census by napo = ~1500 blacks
There was a couple thousand at best in 1848 Paris, stop defending amerimutt fantasies

>>2077377
>Victoria 2 doesn't even encourage you to be Liberal or Socialist though.
>Victoria 2 actually encourages you to be reactionary and Fascism is objectively the best political system
This is nonsense, if you play in the new world the best way to play is to be a socialist democracy, getting as many reforms as you can in order to get the most immigrants.
Reactionaries can only ever pass reforms one way, so if you somehow end up with a majority reactionary upper house you'll have no way to get rid of militancy is changing your upper house to ruling party only and switching said ruling party. They also have residency, making them doubly bad in the new world since they slow the integration of immigrants.
Facism is indeed an improvement on reactionism (although it still has the residency problem), but it's not unlocked until the last few years of the game, communism meanwhile is unlocked much earlier and is functionally the exact same (the only real difference is full citizenship, which is literally only an improvement) so you might as well go with them instead if you want to play optimally.

>>2079438
>trying
>We have been beaten and humiliated...scattered, imprisoned, disarmed and gagged. The fate of European democracy has slipped from our hands. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

>>2079484
yup, and that's why britain still owns India, Russia is still ruled by the tsar and Austria-Hungary still exists!

>>2078572
It had polish, czech and french minorities

>>2078592
I don’t hate black people but it does go beyond simple historical inacuracy.
What I hate is my people being erased from their own history, which given the current demographic trends in Europe is clearly malevolent.
Had they used any other race or set of races I would hate it too

>>2079420
nta, I’d argue the retard is the one who talks of indivduals when we are talking about demographics

>mad about european history suddenly being full of blacks but not a russian ship explroring the Congo?? Nice double standars bro!
Do these söÿ guzzler really not understand the difference between alt history and revisionism or are they just playing dumb?

>>2079537
how many african pops live in France at the start date? Post a screenshot for me.

>>2079550
Pathetic and vain attempt at changing the subject

>>2079550
The debate isn’t about culture, which is what pops represent in the game, but about race. I swear it seems impossible to tell if people like you are truly air-headed or acting in bad faith.

>>2079463
>if you play in the new world
So in other words if you play as 7/8 of the Great Powers or most of the secondary/minor powers this doesn't apply.
>militancy
You can pass token political reforms to reduce militancy even with a reactionary ruling party. And it's nearly impossible to get ruling party only as your upper house law; basically everyone starts with appointed which gives you more than enough liberals to pass reforms (which don't affect your country meaningfully unlike social reforms) when necessary
>residency
Again only a problem for a few countries. Assimilation is essentially impossible in Europe and Asia except for a tiny number of internal migrants.

>>2079582
>>2079576
The game uses 3d models to represent a pop group. Show me the game representing any european pop as 3d model of black individual.

>>2079402
Of course.
These people worship nogs to the point they literally cannot understand that they werent present in the 99% of Europe history. Its literally beyond their grasp because negro worship is so fucking ingrained into their skulls.

>>2079537
They always plat dumb like that.
>>2079550
Then why the fuck are nogs in every European artwork from this game?

>>2079414
Oh yeah?

>>2079520
How are white people being erased when there's white people in the art?

>>2079668
retarded ass nigga whereas I care about the game itself and it's mechanics and it's ACTUAL content you can interact with (you know like click on and shit), you base all your judgment on fucking loading screens. Probably becouse you don't even play the game. If you did you would know that in the game you can create country that actively makes existence unbearable for all non.whites and when you make such country the game is made in such a way that it will recruit soldiers primarily from the discriminated pops so that they all fucking die.
You claim the game is revisionist and makes europe full of niggers, so I ask you where in THE GAME is the revisionism and where in the ingame europe are the niggers you are seeing, and instead you go back to your retarded loading screens. Is that it? No revisionism in the actual game? Good. If all dei shit is isolated to retarded ugly loading screens then god bless paradox for doing that. I guess all the niggers live rent free in your head, you are fucking niggerheaded retard.
What's more
1) either you do not play the game or you are a liar.
2) 5 seconds of google reveals the loading screens were outsourced and not made by paradox (that's how irrelevant they are)
3) the loading screens display random history-esque things, not an actual historical events and if you wanted you could make your ingame europe full of niggers like the loading screens

>>2079537
What makes it revisionism and not alt history?

>>2079703
>retarded wall of "its not that bad" cope
It took you a fucking hour to think of this pathetic deflection?

>>2079710
any in game screenshots? still waiting for them

>>2079711
>b-b-but!
Cool cope i guess.
You can go back now.

So the artworks are woke but the gameplay isn’t?
Still makes the game woke

>>2077597
You're arguing someone that just spilled out objective numbers.
>Not until strawberries cost $10 each.
Show your numbers that lead to a figure approaching 10 bucks.

>>2079717
you got that screenshot of black pops in france?

>>2079433
That is historically pheasible
Niggers at large being treated as citizens before the 20th century is a completely unhistorical concept, it's pure fantasy

>>2080014
There were egalitarians before the 20th century, especially in France.

>>2079704

>>2080014
>pheasible
What is it with ESLs and seething hatred?

>>2080026

>>2077294
>

>>2080022
ah yes, egalitarian elites, totally what is being depicted in the splashart

>>2080146
Who said anything about elites?

>>2078389
I like how it'd be ahistorical to have female delegates, but we can stretch for a couple of black ones.

>>2079406
It is. Lmao. It's one of the loading screens. Little dude wants some white pussy.

>>2080207
They're playing together, you sick fuck.

>>2079406
Prospectors town/boom town.
Swedes really are revising racism in America except for the slavery image.

Can't find you a good full size image of it though.

Makes sense though, paradox revised how dickensian victorian life was, how religious it was, pretty much everything about the 19th century isn't in the game.

>>2080221
This is a recurring concept in all nu-media. They create imaginary multicultural worlds of the past which don't interact well when they have to discuss racism/sexuality.

To anybody confused why the racists are crying bitch tears over silly alt-history splash screens - alt-history is not silly to them, as it is in reality, but the most important issue in the world.

That's why they also react poorly to HoI4 DLC alt-history paths.

>>2080221
How is this kid running free? Shouldn't he be on a plantation? Is this a freed slave?

>>2080230
>massive mountain in the background
>ground looks it's an arid climate
What makes you think this is the South?

>>2080232
Didn't California have even more racist laws than the South? I remember one of the Pacific states refused to allow black people in at all.

>>2080232
So a cattle ranch instead?

>>2080024
The left can't meme

>>2080230
I'm still wondering how the black and the mexican(?) carrying picks mean this is a town which can support family life and isn't indicative of an all-male (except for the prostitutes) mining "town"
It's like they wanted to just cram in a bunch of random wild west features

... and that part of American life isn't really in the simulation either.

>>2080248
They're prospectors, not miners

>>2080236
That was oregon.

>>2080248
>two dudes carrying picks mean it's a mining town.
If anything the fact it's just two dudes carrying picks amidst families and a pretty luxurious church for the setting means it's a normal town and these are just two guys.

>>2080398
They seem to be a bit underequipped for prospectors
>all their equipment is at the river or in the mountain
Why not their picks?
In fact, why aren't they living out there in tents with all of their equipment? Why are they in a town at all?

It just seems to be a bit-of-everything image. Americana by someone who isn't interested in Americana but is interested in diversity.

>>2077474
Go back to bluesky

>>2080152
nigger

>>2078034
Ah so the Hasan Piker communist who is just a rich person who's not socially allowed to complain about demographics

>>2079704
I guess that Netflix documentary where they made Cleopatra black was just alt-history, my bad then!
I guess all the brownies in regency England in Doctor Who was just alt-history, silly me!
I guess those British museums who portray black britons in ancient times were just doing a cheeky bit of alt-history as well!

You people have a bad faith that truly knows no bound.

>>2078453
Alt history, in order to be a good story, has to be believable, and there's no reasonable possibility that a civilization can function letting literal animals have the same rights and leeching off men. We can already see our civilization rapidly crumbling because of that.
This game has the problems that most media nowadays has, it inserts the politics of modern day into historical settings. The intelligencia of the game's setting shouldn't be pro-multiculturalism, before the jewish subversion of academia they understood that humans weren't equal. It was the era of phrenology.

>>2077490
>collectivization
Farm collectivization in the Soviet Union was such a fucking disaster that agricultural output only recovered to pre civil war standards (already low since those were during WW1) after Lenin told the more extreme Marxists in the Petrograd soviet to fuck off and put the New Economic Policy in place, allowing private ownership of agricultural land again.
Stalin then collectivized the land again which led to the massive famines during the early 1930s.
You niggers really need to take the rose tinted glasses off, the early Soviet Union was a catastrophic shitshow.

>>2080670
We're talking about Victoria 3. Try to keep up.

>>2080710
So am I. The process of historical revisionism and erasure of whites from their own history is the same in the examples I cited and in Victoria 3’s artwork.

>>2080720
It isn't, because Victoria 3 is literally a game about simulating alt-histories, and alt history splash art represents that the same as Vicky 2's did. I haven't seen the netflix documentary or whatever the hell else you're talking about but they have nothing to do with this.

>>2079703
the revisionism is mostly the art/events, as for gameplay revisionism I'd say the lack of race check on where pops are allowed to migrate too. ie Indians flood Canada/Australia/England when realisticly the would be restricted to mostly the "dark" colonies. Honestly the art is getting better in some areas but there are still too many "egalitarian-revionist power fantasy" images. Latest dlc swings in the oposite direction with the cover art being all white with a token Jap. Which is fairly reasonable for the era and feels the most victorian of all the art. with that said; real historical photos >>> art even if done well. I really enjoyed them even if a lot of them were from mostly the end of the era.

>>2080709
It was a disaster for the sole reason that kulaks were allowed to live. After collectivization was complete, it was obnoxiously hard to dislodge, and Nazis had trouble getting collaborationists in return for a promise of individual land, and Goring even wrote back to tell the high command to stop trying to fuck with the system, as it was supplying food, and this bullshit was disrupting product.

>>2077718
You know you can disagree with mainstream economics without being a commie, right? See the Austrian school.

>>2080892
> I'd say the lack of race check on where pops are allowed to migrate too. ie Indians flood Canada/Australia/England when realisticly the would be restricted to mostly the "dark" colonies.
There literally is a race check, if you have the migration controls law (which most countries either start with or just have no immigration at all) then only accepted culture pops can migrate, meaning unless you do multiculturalism only European immigrants will be accepted in white countries. The issue here is that the migration law only applies to external migration, but since Canada and India are both part of the British Empire the game considers it to be internal migration and the law doesn't stop it. In the release version the law actually applied to all migration but people complained that it made it impossible to grow colonies so they were changed to what they are now. Point being it's an unintended consequence of poor game design, not "revisionism".

>>2077883
>modern computerized supply chains would allow you to implement communism ideally as imagined
No it won't. Capitalism already uses computerization, and it didn't "solve" supply chains or economic calculations. You still need competitive market players to achieve those results through trial and error.

>>2079354
In Vicky 2 pops are your most important resource, while in 3 pops are mostly irrelevant and replaced by buildings. In the developers' mind industrialization is literally about the physical construction of buildings, which is why late-game economies grow out of control.

>>2081051
I haven't played since discrimination was updated so I might be wrong on all of this but

>only accepted culture pops can migrate
Playing Portugal, a lot of Indians and Chinese move from Goa and Macau, even more if I remove tenancy from my farming laws because that blocks peasant(?) migration or if my aristocrats build enclosures or my capitalists build industries. I hated this because it reduced tax
As Russia the Caucus Muslim genocide or whatever it is results in 90% of all of them going, not to Turkey as the journal entries describe, but to the US, because (again, not the "new" discrimination mechanics) the people are "White" and the US is on secularism so consider Muslims to be their brothers because of course, y'know the country that famously had no Christian strife or Mormon kill orders

>market migration is internal migration
I thought it was because the market leader overrides migration laws and Britain starts with Open Borders or will quickly adopt it?

>people complained that it made it impossible to grow colonies
Haha, yeah, that's why we require immigration to the metropole, including unaccepted immigration, both of which are ahistorical, and we're not instead creating mechanics to explain enclosures and clicking the green pastures button, y'know being an evil coloniser who forces peasants into colonies?
I don't even know if this fixed the US having nothing that represents historical immigration and populations, partly because they tried to represent the real state borders and their actual agricultural capacity

>not "revisionism"
Have they made races less blanket yet?
Y'know, like European Heritage not being "All Whites", from Argentina to Russia, and Afro-Americans not being African and maybe not even the same group as "West Indies"? Even modern lefties stopped thinking all blacks are the same from Nigeria to South Africa

>>2081058
There's not really much of a difference between POPs and buildings in both games. In both cases, more people working in more buildings means more wealth. The only thing really preventing you from snowballing in vic2 is that, unlikely in vic3, provinces are physically constrained in how fast they can build. There's a hard cap to building, and there's nothing you can do about it, to the point where population growth can potentially outpace your ability to provide jobs for your workers.

>>2081192
>As Russia the Caucus Muslim genocide or whatever it is results in 90% of all of them going, not to Turkey as the journal entries describe, but to the US, because (again, not the "new" discrimination mechanics) the people are "White" and the US is on secularism so consider Muslims to be their brothers because of course, y'know the country that famously had no Christian strife or Mormon kill orders
The US starts with no migration controls, that's why they can migrate. The US didn't start putting restrictions on immigration until the 1870s historically.

>>2081212
That's because they didn't have to because only europeans had the means to hire a trip across the ocean before that point. And it only took a few thousand chinese a year for them to decide that was too many of them and put restrictions.

>>2081236
There were literally Muslims fighting in the revolutionary war. The nativist movement just wasn't a thing until the mid 19th century, remember the country was founded on essentially the most extreme libertarian principles possible (slavery asisde), religious freedom meant religious freedom.

>>2081253
[Citation Needed]

uh actually chuds, scientific racism didn't exist. this was the most peaceful era of human history. whiz told me.

>>2081282
Who said it didn't exist?

>>2081282
Based Anglos carrying the torch of humanity.

>>2080221
Its whole push for historical revitionism. First thing to ask why multiculturalism, as a principle in game at all? It is late 20th century thing. Its same as inserting helicopter gunships as a victorian era tech and pretending that its somehow makes sense. Same as feminism which pushes historical envelope and are inserter into period where women didnt really work till ww2 hit and their workforce was essential for waging full scale industrial warfare, and even then it was only START of such practice.
Now you can say
>well duh time line is accelerated so what given player control of the game which can make some backwards nigger african country 90% of world gdp by 1936 its possible
well ok, wheres my helicopter gunships then?

it is completely clear that societal technologies are massive outliner and based on current day instead of 18th-19th century

>>2080230
back in time period black nigler trying to hit white girl will be considered a crime and an outrage, its not only time of racial segregation but also gender separation in schools. this is completely proposterous on multiple levels. the only way such interaction is possible at all in some completely impoverished dirt-poor communities where people are so fucked up economically they dont really care, the only problem is everyone in picture seems to be well-off.

>>2081329
ESL wordsoup

>>2081282
sandwich islander looks like he can smell the demonination of bills in your pocket

i weep for the death of our civilization after the jewish plot of the world wars in which our monarchies which represented rule by one of our own was replaced by ZOG social democracy. through subversion of the academia and media, they convinced most of us that literal animals are humans

>>2081519
>in which our monarchies which represented rule by one of our own
Nationalism and people wanting self-determination and nation states for their own ethnic groups did much more to kill European monarchism than liberalism ever did.

>>2081519
>not wanting to be ruled by an inbred German was a Jewish plot
Good.

>>2077227 (OP)
It was woke on release, basically a communism simulator.
But since the racism patch and now recently the poverty patch, it's gotten a lot better.
Now going full authoritarian fascism is a really good strategy.

>>2081519
>monarchies which represented rule by one of our own
diplomatic marriage ruined that

>>2081609
iirc Nicholas II was only 1/8 russian lol

>>2077227 (OP)
Ironically, being an autocratic chud is a lot more viable in 3 than in 2. At least since the last patch authority mana is extremely valuable.

>>2081586
>authoritarian fascism
that's practically communism too? what changed? stupid labels?

>>2081318
thanks, laos.

>>2081696
Capitalism got heavily buffed.
You can give rights/monopolies to your companies but it requires authority points. Usually, the more conservative/right wing you get, the more authority you have.
Before, multiculturalism was just simply the best law to get it had no downside and everything else was worse. Now ethnostate is a legit option because laws are the only way to get more authority.

>>2079412
>tags: onee-shota, interracial

>>2081702
Multiculturalism is still super OP though because migration is OP. But otherwise you really want to get the authority from the other laws. I feel like the strongest play style now is supercapitalist authoritarian globohomo neoliberalism that concentrates all wealth into the hands of a few megacorps.

>>2081519
>monarchies which represented rule by one of our own
lmao how historically illiterate are you?

>>2081717
> supercapitalist authoritarian globohomo neoliberalism that concentrates all wealth into the hands of a few megacorps
Wow just like real life.

>>2081329
> First thing to ask why multiculturalism, as a principle in game at all? It is late 20th century thing. Its same as inserting helicopter gunships as a victorian era tech and pretending that its somehow makes sense.
Braindead. The game's timefame had racial egalitarian movements, plenty of the people involved in e.g. reconstruction were true egalitarians for example (at least on a legal level). They may not have been successful but they did exist. Helicopters did not exist. Do you understand the difference?
>Same as feminism which pushes historical envelope and are inserter into period where women didnt really work till ww2 hit and their workforce was essential for waging full scale industrial warfare, and even then it was only START of such practice.
What? The time period is literally the birth of the women's suffrage movement and most of the west had given women the vote by the end of the period. Also women have literally always worked, the idea of a stay-at-home mom who just takes care of the family and does nothing else was only true for the very affluent and is ironically more of a post-WW2 concept. The point of the Rosie the Riveter stuff was to get women into working what had been male jobs like steel working and arms manufacting, women had already been working in e.g. textile mills for generations.

>back in time period black nigler trying to hit white girl will be considered a crime and an outrage, its not only time of racial segregation but also gender separation in schools. this is completely proposterous on multiple levels.
On average sure, but especially out west there were all sorts of towns founded for some specific ideological reason, including egalitarianism. Plenty of Great Awakening religious movements that were extremely racially egalitarian for their time went west to found their own towns following their own ideals.

>>2081609
>>2081622
I was ruined way before. England had it's last English ruling family in 1066 and Sweden had it's last Swedish ruling family in 1654.

>start as Oranje
>Nguni Animist aristocrats at the helm of the manor houses
Lmfao

>>2081795
why are you mad, it's just using the most populous pop to indicate the majority of that class. More likely than not they'll be forced down into a lower strata soon anyway because you're violently suppressing them.

>>2081795
Of course you'd pick a boer republic.

>>2081795
Yeah? Where do you think the tribal chiefs went? You think the Boers went to every village and executed the chief?
Fucking retard.

>>2081286
The Vic3 cucks saying multiculturalism was the norm in the 19th century

>>2082106
Do we even know if the Boer republics functioned at all? Seems like something Paradox would give an Afghanistan-tier rework to.

>>2081795
You can have a complete ethnostate in Vicky 3 without any limitations. Which wasn't possible in the previous games. Why having a freedom to play a different kind of game triggers you so much? You can create your fascist state and jerk off to it as much as you want.

>>2082265
No you can't. There are zero ways to get rid of minorities in this game. All ethnostate does is make them rebellious.

>>2082266
>All ethnostate does is make them rebellious.
That's how ethnic cleansing is done in real life. You oppress a population, they rebel and you kill them. It's not done by clicking a button which gives you a free genocidum modifier.

>>2082270
>they rebel and you kill them
That doesn't happen in V3. It's literally impossible to remove minorities in any way. You can only hope they RNG mass migrate away, which they almost never do.

>>2082145
Who said that? Can you quote them?

>>2077227 (OP)
>I'm thinking of trying it because it's on sale
Just pirate it, you fucking moron.
>B-but how woke it is
Not at all. It ironically started as such, and then before the first DLC even dropped, the process of patching and sorting the mess of coding removed all the woke stuff. You can run any government you wish and you will be successful. There is OG Vicky benefit of rampant colonialism, even if it's some shitty piece of desert. Giving rights works, and taking them away works too, for different reasons. Investments were reworked twice, so now you can do whatever the fuck you want for whatever the reason you want.
The real problem is how shit majority of the game is, not if/how woke it is. It's still "number goes up" and "line stays green" game.

>>2078453
Because it's 2025 and not 2010 and in those 15 years, an entire generation of retards came to be, busy fighting meaningless culture war on all possible fronts.

>>2082299
20th century multiculturalism is still present and is blatantly overpowered. Fascism is economically OP, but there are zero ways to get remove cultures in homelands (aka, the "yucky" part, otherwise it's awesome).

>>2077294
>>2077441
>>2080221

paradox isn't even brave enough to incorporate revisionist art for the India dlc lmao

>>2082363
Because the image is already diverse enough.

>>2078453
>alt history scenario from 2010s
vs
>2020s multiculturalist propaganda that europe has always been diverse to justify current day mass migration for the purpose of wage suppresion

>>2078453
outside of timescale, multiculturalism is a modern thing
russia exploring congo wouldnt result in russia being full of niggers because thats not how victorian era ethics works, theres no mass migration or nig acceptance to make it possible. all of those are modern things.

>>2082428
Schizophrenia.
>>2082450
You seriously believe the concept of racial equality only came into existence in contemporary times? How ignorant are you?

>>2082469
people before now understood that this dogma of mixing 100 iq europeans with 60 iq savages and niggers to create a nation of 80 iq people and doesn't produce prosperous societies. sudacaland is stuck at the level of technology of how their bygone colonial overlords left them.

>>2082469
>You seriously believe the concept of racial equality only came into existence in contemporary times? How ignorant are you?
If you don't mind for us ignorant retards here, can you help prove your point by posting a source for a European nation in the Victoria era supporting racial equality? It would really shut these retards up to have that objective fact presented here.

>>2078453
>A dozen of Russians exploring the Congo = every European society in the 1840s full of niggers
That's just how it is, chuds!

>>2082341
Oh, I sorry, I forgot that "woke" means "I can't paly it like a meme mod about Grossgermanium removing cultures by clicking a button" and not, you know, actually being woke.
Like the release state of the game, where council republic was so fucking better than any other alternative, while you would have to be insane to use any other tax, education and medical laws than the left-leaning ones. All while empowering any other power block than trade unions and inteligentsia was a waste of time.
Which was gone after less than a month. But I guess there is no "remove kebab" button (like there was none in previous Victorias), so it means the game is pozzed.
In fact, this is the only Vicky so far where you can actively exterminate cultures by in-game mechanics, by quite literally starving and oppressing them to death and whatever remains will get the fuck away from your country. But to know that, you would need to play the game for the last year or so, and that's no longer feasible on Win7 machine. So it's at this point pretty fucking obvious who you are and why are you bitching about non-existing issues

>>2082521
>Things that are actually possible to pull in the game are less bad than thing impossible to pull in the game at all
I guess you are right. The joke is, of course, that you aren't talking about game mechanics, but fucking pictures, but you accidently managed to make a correct point: you can explore Congo with bunch of Russians, but you can't import bunch of niggers (even when you are a slave-buying nation), not to mention making a continent chocolate.

>>2081586
a good start. a lot more needs to be done for this game to be realistic and not propaganda. for instance, woman's rights is civilization-ending, proven by many empires of old.

>Propertied Women
-10% birth rate.
>Women in the Workplace
-33% birth rate
>Women's Suffrage
-50% birth rate

>>2082526
Ouch!

>>2082363
Of course they dont do it for their side, its about removal of Whites from history not about actual diversity after all.
Dont be silly.

>>2082522
>But to know that, you would need to play the game
Why would I play a game I actively despise?

>>2082469
Its not something I believe its a proven fact
Leonardo da Vinci invented concept of flying war machines yet copters were created only in 1950s
you are trying to argue that copters belong to 1500s
absolutely crazy, outright insane

>>2082526
those debuffs are still weak and unrealistic, they should include
>armies losing morale faster by males being demoralized
>industries throughput being severely reduced by hiring incompetent females
>colonization disabled by noone being able to bring families there
>standards of living dropping by families not existing since its a psychological need
>radicals appearing everywhere
>other nations having severe diplomatic penalties
and its only a start

>>2082493
>dissolving slavery cause it is bad for business
>this must mean every race and nation is equal

If you go chud mode you get no tools to get rid of niggers and other undesirables in your country. The optimal way to play the game is multicultural and it has no downsides. Flavor-wise there's no difference between chud mode or full woke societies, same shitty events and nothing interesting

>>2082493
> for a European nation in the Victoria era supporting racial equality
That's not what I said. I said the concept existed, there were people and movements that were egalitarian even if they weren't historically successful.

>>2082701
Also, why does it matter if it's a European nation or not? There are no European nations that had total economic isolation, the law still exists in the game to portray Japan. Similarly, there were no European nations that were totally racially egalitarian, the law still exists in the game to portray Paraguay.

>>2082363
Naturally, I fucking hate these hypocrites, they won't be getting any of my money.

>>2080709
It was also unproductive later on too, to the point that officials would admit to one another that the agricultural needs were partially held up by people farming privately on their own little plots of land they were still allowed to have.

>>2081042
You're a special kind of retarded, huh?

>>2082106
The tribal chiefs stayed tribal chiefs living out of the bounds of civilization or they got enslaved, they didn't become aristocrats and capitalists within the Boer economy, stupid.

>>2079433
The difference is Paradox would freely admit that the alt history scenarios were exactly that: alt history

Meanwhile those very Paradox devs would insist that 1800s France being 50% black is real history, not alt history

>>2082818
By your logic when you colonize a territory all pops existing there should be deleted because they weren't integrated in the economy.
Nguni aristocrats existed in the province. The fact they weren't part of the Boer economy is irrelevant.
If you want to make the claim that the Boer republics should only own a thin strip of territory that they actually had control over that's another discussion all together.

>>2082781
Nice argument.

>>2079433
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagallo

>>2082818
Wouldnt some of them wed their daughters with the colonizer elites ?

>>2082879
>By your logic when you colonize a territory all pops existing there should be deleted because they weren't integrated in the economy.
Here's an idea: have a 'tribe building' to represent the tribes of a certain territory, maybe have it work kind of like 1.9 companies so there's a possibility to have different distinct tribes in one state and even across states. Anything would be better than how it is now.
>Nguni aristocrats existed in the province
If you want to call tribal chiefs aristocrats, fine, but you're being purposefully obtuse regarding what my actual issue is: the way aristocrat pops act in Victoria 3 means they're fully integrated in the economy. You have tribal african pops owning ranches, plantations, farms, and even factories. It's nonsensical.
>If you want to make the claim that the Boer republics should only own a thin strip of territory that they actually had control over that's another discussion all together.
Considering there wasn't even an Oranje Vrystaat in 1836, maybe.

>>2077461
>stimulating the economy
>doesn't actually contribute to product demand so it doesn't really grow an economy on its own
there is nothing wrong with choosing to save your current resources for a later date, if people didn't do so we'd be still stuck as hunter-gatherers, the idea that "the economy" needs to be stimulated by what often amounts to squandering is faulty
>slavery
the economic issue with slavery is that the slave is deprived of his own agency, if he had the ability and means to produce more value by working at a sweatshop in the town next door he is unable to do so due to his status, the community is overall slightly poorer, even the slaveowner to some extent

>>2082872
>Meanwhile those very Paradox devs would insist that 1800s France being 50% black is real history, not alt history
Then why didn't they make France 50% black in their 19th century historical simulation game?

>>2082901
Djibouti is not the Congo.

>>2078456
It's actually really trivial
>conquer two states from china, use the movement to enact law
>invite a humanitarian/enlightened royalist into country, grant leadership

>>2077550
They are well off because the rest of the country heavily subsidizes them, consider that 1/3 of all EU spending is just going to domestic farmers so they can remain competitive against the foreign imports.

>>2083130
Retard-kun. It is the same thing. The PDX especially after 2020 operate on the althistory logic. And if Russians were able to make it to Djibouti, there is nothing stopping them from reaching Congo.

>>2077227 (OP)
>How woke is Victoria 3?
Don't bother, it is too woke to be enjoyable. The fundamental game design is flawed in a way that cannot be fixed by mods. I've seen some autists on youtube who tried - none succeeded.

>>2082902
nnghh

if i play as USA what laws should i enact in order to go full MAGA?
>government
presidential, monarchy or corporate state?
>power
autocracy, oligarcy or one party state?
>citizenship
ethnostate?
>church
state religion
>beurocrats
appointed or heritary?
>army
national milita or proffesional army?
>security
secret police
>economy
lassiez faire
>trade
protectionism or isolationism
>taxation
?
>land
commercialized
>police
militarized
>education
private
>healthcare
private
>speech
censorship or outlawd dissent?
>labor
no right
>child labor
allowed
>women
guardianship
>welfare
no social security
>migration
closed
>slavery
allowed or debt slavery

>>2078456
It's actually super easy and not a meme at all, literally the only instances where multiculturalism isn't needed is when you're playing Qing/Japan.

Jannies

>>2081212
>in game... it makes sense because there's no migration controls
>IRL... there were no migration controls
So why wasn't half of America Caucus Muslim IRL from the 1850s onward?
I already told you the game mechanics are why the ahistorical migration is the default for the game's version I played - whites are not accepted in the Ottoman empire and the US doesn't care about religion. It's a failed simulation of history. It's poor game design. It's arguably revisionism into the modern white-black racism and mental distancing from religious fundamentalism.

>>2081696
I haven't been able to go Stalin since democracy became capitalist heaven/wealth determining votes even on universal and now that rebels both spawn with coops (can't reform to central planning) and can't win civil wars anymore

>>2084683
I agree the simulation fails here but it's not for the reasons you're claiming. The US factually did not have any real migration controls at this time and there were in fact Circassians who moved to America. The issue is that the game doesn't simulate the actual infrastructure or costs behind migration at all so it's just as easy for Circassians to migrate to America as it is for them to move to the Ottomans when it should only be a couple hundred who are able to make it over the Atlantic and the rest just have to hop the border into Turkey.

>>2084685
But it's not just as easy.
They are banned from entering Anatolia.
That's the point I'm making.
The US should never go to secularism or be on something called secular that somehow only allows Christians and Jews in but discriminates against (non-rich) non-Protestants. In fact I'd ask, if it were easy, to know if "secular" countries in the 19th and early 20th were actually secular in practice or were all """freedom of conscience""".

I still don't understand why this game still has no special culture/faith mechanics for history's exceptions, like the Jews, instead deleting them through assimilation as if a mistake that wouldn't exist if you ran the simulation for ~200 years before gamestart, but prevents Afro-Americans from suffering a similar fate... because of the homeland system... and then lets you go "lol lmao" as you turn Dixies into Afros depending on your civil war outcome.

This game is retarded on so many levels. Intentionally.

Why is there no Vic 3 general?

>>2086870
>>2071999

>>2077227 (OP)
Female samurai and niggers everywhere. Fuck this game.

>>2079407
there you go chud

>>2082551
you call that realism?

>anything else then traditional roles
-99% brith rates
-120 legitimacy
+75% radicals from buthurt
-80% offence
-75% deffence
-40% throughput
+1 angry online chud

>>2087441
Wö-Men. Men of Wö. You don’t like them. They’re insane. Their idiocy needs to be scrubbed off this world with rubbing alcohol. Women need to go back to the fucking kitchen. That’s what fascism boils down to. The rest is also important, but the “main thing” is that women need to “know their place.”

>>2077227 (OP)
Victoria 3 more like crashtoria pee, how the fuck do you even run this garbage longer than 3 minutes?

>>2088001
By not having a shit PC?

>>2088028
My PC is better than yours, it's your game that's dogshit.
Out of every game, shitoria 3 is the only one that crashes so frequently. How long has this dogshit been out again, 2 years? 3?

>>2088038
I dunno, I played it for the free weekend and never had one crash. Sounds like a you problem.

>>2088048
It's not a "me" problem, there's half a dozen crash reports on parashit's forum with the exact same crash happening every 5 minutes and nobody knows what causes it, let alone how to fix it. Especially not paradogs.
And the worst part is that it goes back years.

>6 people have special snowflake pc's that can't run the game
Oh no, anyway...

>>2088062
99% of people just uninstall+refund whenever they come across a problem like this, it's more widespread than it looks.
You would have known that if there was a brain in the void of your head.
>special snowflake
They all had different hardware.

>>2088074
>>2088038
>>2088053
>the 1% that has a problem the 99% don't insisting it's not a "me" problem
ok, retard

>>2088078
paradrones have been activated and deployed

>>2087432
Pretty sure they all black. Excluded from the main group

>>2088079
>Hi! This CTD, related to Shipping Lanes is known and currently being worked on.
There you go.

>>2088082
That's specifically a 1.9.6 crash, shill.

>>2077227 (OP)
posting here because im not waiting 5 mins to make a thread

Any non-vanilla setting mod for vic 2 that isn't bloated / retains the speed? something like DoD, that runs at vanilla or Crimeamod speeds

>>2088087
Oh. Well, you're shit out luck, poorfag, then. That's not a problem I've ever had, ever.

>>2088078
>don't insisting
saaaar

>>2088091
>you're shit out luck
*shit out of luck
Paradogs are even outsourcing shills today too, huh?

>>2088093
>>2088095
>minor spelling mistake
>return to last checkpoint
Yeah, yeah, post specs.

>>2088096
You spelled it right, it's the grammar that's the problem.
>point out the broken trashfire that is shitoria 3
>shill scrambles forward to talk about specs for a map game
I easily make the recommended specs. It's a map game.
I thought you only played it during the free weekend anyways, why are you so invested in this?

>>2088097
That's a different anon. I bought it on release, and put in a 120 hours in the first week. I haven't encountered your issue once, on any patch or mod. You can stop seething any time.

>>2088099
>That's a different anon.
Yeah right. Put in another 120 hours, parapig.

Literally nothing wrong with female rights.

>>2077490
>>2077493
Small private farmers in America were the driving force of American agricultural industrialization because they were relatively wealthy.

>>2088319
>Agricultural historian R. Douglas Hurt asserts that only 30 percent of American farmers owned a tractor in 1945 and that tractors did not outnumber draft animals until 1955.
Actually, that's completely wrong, and not needing to improve, because the land is so rich and unspoiled, American farming has been less mechanized than the Soviet one for quite a while.

>>2079412
giwtwm

>>2079399
New Stockholm, 1889

whoever plays this game is cucked. No better than the gacha game players on this site.

>>2077461
You're forgetting where this is V3 where a portion of the profits from the business owners is redistributed into the investment pool, AND every single pop in the game spends their weekly wage. All of it, it never gets saved. So what would it matter if out of $10 that $9 of it goes to one person and $1 to the rest? It all gets spent no matter what.

>>2081042
>the problem was we didn't kill enough of our own people, the death quotas weren't high enough! Quick snatch more children from train stations!
fucking communists man, if they aren't blaming the CIA it's kulaks or some other fucking excuse.

>>2088336
>only 30 percent of American farmers owned a tractor in 1945 and that tractors did not outnumber draft animals until 1955.
I thought this was all the same throught the US and Europe.
Most farmers didn't get that kind of mechanization until the second half of the XX century.

>>2089003
When comparing investments vs consumption, important factor is investments efficiency. On lower end of GDP spectrum <50m, you get positive multiplier generating money out of thin air, while having large GDP, gives you multiplier lower then 1, so you lode money into thin air.
Given that, is seems consumptionmaxing should happen in very big economies.

>>2077227 (OP)
Here's an example of a non-choice event these Devs give you to seed progressive ideas into your mind.

Enact Contagious Disease Acts:
Choice 1 is +1 approval for one interest group & -2.0 Standard of Living for the Lower Strata of your entire country

Choice 2 is -1 approval for the aforementioned interest group

>>2090263
Yeah? Good. I hate trying to do ""gameplay balance"" in a historical game. Choices are not made equal.

>>2090270
Noooo you can't stop the whorehouses!! That's not heckin' wholesome, sex work is real work!!!

>>2089166
Okay, agent.

>>2089209
It was part of the first Five Year Plan, and the propaganda was such that "socialist realism" art got jokingly called "girl meets tractor". It was a big part of the argument for collectivization, that a big enough collective farm would be profitable enough to be able to afford machinery. And Statista will gladly tell you that Soviets outproduced American farming machinery by a factor of 3. No hard numbers, though. Without that scientific paper website account, anyway.

Lemme check with CIA real quick
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79R01141A000400090001-6.pdf
Yeah, they estimate almost 100% in some areas, and completely negligible in others. How much of that is cope or bullshit is up to you.

Also, remember, WW2. You can't field a massive army, without screwing over labour intensive fields, like farming. Germany found that out the hard way.

The late game economy is stupid now. Here I am sitting on minimum taxes, full treasury, 100M+ investment pool with 14 (!) pages of private construction queued. There's literally nothing to spend money on.

>>2090507
More construction, investment rights into other countries, treaties to buy land, BIGGER military

>>2090507
Pass a law that collects LESS taxes, then. You're killing your economy, bruv. Click the subsidize button on everything. Invest in Navy, army and universities.

>>2077227 (OP)
>hated how it encouraged you to become a socialist/liberal democracy at the end of the game to maximize pop growth and the economy.
Ironically, Corporatism and Fascist policy is the meta right now and is the easiest to enact.
>artwork for Victoria 3 this game looks to be that but dialed up to 11
if this is your barrier for liking a game, maybe you shouldn't play the game then. Like the other retard or retards in this thread arguing over historical revisionism because the game takes place in the period and doesn't try to do a 1:1 match with history, it's a waste of time.

>>2090507
yea thats the problem
there is no "upgrades" to factories to sink construction into, when it should be endless

>>2090292
>How much of that is cope or bullshit is up to you.
I don't know wich one is more stupid, trusting the CIA or the statistics made in the USSR.
Probably the latter, since even the CIA wants the truth to leak every now and then.

>>2090572
Either one is still better than trusting the Rand Institute.

>>2083367
>domestic farmers so they can remain competitive against the foreign imports
Because foreign farmers don't have to keep the highest standards of food safety, animal health and chemical avoidance that EU farmers have. It's literally unfair competition, and it's the biggest cause of farmer protests in the EU, if foreign farmers want to export to the EU then they should be held to the same standards as local farmer. But spoiler, they can't, thirdies from South America and Africa are naturally incapable of keeping those standards and Amerimutts won't because it cuts profit margins. Sorry Trump, but we ain't buying your beef made of 50% growth hormones and 50% roundup weedkiller.

>>2090663
>Because foreign farmers don't have to keep the highest standards of food safety, animal health and chemical avoidance that EU farmers have. It's literally unfair competition
>we ain't buying your beef made of 50% growth hormones and 50% roundup weedkiller
which is it? But I do think that the restrictions should be lowered. If someone wants to buy cheaper, shittier food that will ultimately kill him at 70 than he can do so for all I care.

>>2090663
>But spoiler, they can't, thirdies from South America and Africa are naturally incapable of keeping those standards and Amerimutts won't because it cuts profit margins. Sorry Trump, but we ain't buying your beef made of 50% growth hormones and 50% roundup weedkiller.

Europe just uses different chemicals that are even more dangerous. Do you think the guys in the 40s and 50s didn't test out everything? Glyphosate was literally the safest thing available. And nobody does true organic farming except as a hobby, because it's not financially sustainable. Whatever they put in the food in Europe just turns people into ultra libtards.

Increasing SoL should have actual positive effects not simply reducing birthrates

>>2091293
It makes people consume more, which increases GDP.

>>2091300
NTA but I don't care about consoom and theoretical number go up, I want a tangible benefit for providing a populace with a higher SoL

>>2091302
And what's your idea of "tangible benefits" in this context?

>>2091303
Extend the curve for pop growth beyond 40% literacy and 15 SoL, anything beyond that is a waste right now for birthrate. Give a throughput bonus for a higher SoL employed industry with loyalists/cohesive society.

>>2077950
>>2077898
China is unironically closer to Italian fascism than Marxism-Lenninism.

>>2091307
>Extend the curve for pop growth beyond 40% literacy and 15 SoL
But why? The demographic transition is a real world phenomenon. Every society in the 19th and 20th century went through a phase of industrialization, population boom as mortality dropped, then fertility collapse as SOL rose. All of this was happening in vic3's timeline in the west.

>Give a throughput bonus for a higher SoL employed industry
Why? People aren't inherently more productive when their SOL rise.

>>2091312
You hit that point in the fking 1870's or something in Victoria 3 though
when its clearly ww1 that cratered the TFR

>>2091314
>You hit that point in the fking 1870's or something in Victoria 3 though
I've never hit the point where I had a negative population growth in vic3. Sure, birth rates slow down at some point, but population still keeps steadily going up.

>when its clearly ww1 that cratered the TFR
It accelerated things, but it was already on a clear downward trend before that. We also see the same phenomenon in countries that weren't even affected by wars. Pic related, China's demographic transition.

>>2091316
China ingame will never have a high pop growth rate all the way to the end

>>2091318
It can. I played as China and, without expanding, my population growth was faster than historical China during the game's period. That's irrelevant, though. I was just showing you that the demographic transition that vic3 depicts is a real world phenomenon and is not something specific to the period and it wasn't caused by ww1.

>>2077292
>No, and that's a good thing because despite its flaws it's still better than manually moving each little army across the world individually.
SKILL ISSUE.

how tf
are you supposed to play sokoto now

>>2077387
Wow. Just like today.

>>2091371
All of our problems can be attributed to two types of people

i haven't touched this game since release
is going communist and multiculturalist late game still the best way to increase your GDP?

>>2091384
who tf plays lategame vic 3

>>2091388
i don't know how it is now, but you got to end game pretty fast back then
compared to other pdx games

>>2091384
current meta is corporate state/fascism

Chartered companies are kind of retarded, I don't think the dev team put any thought into how they should actually work in the game at all

>>2091399
The game is modeled entirely through the viewpoint of Marxism. Once you understand that in their mind it's supposed to be a critique on "what if we gave the heckin' companies colonies?? they're just as evil as I thought" mentality it all makes sense.

>>2091402
Reminder Congo Free State was a private corporation.

>>2091312
Isn't France an example of collapse without industrialisation?
>fetility collapse as SoL rose
Your graph shows during the 19th century's SoL decrease... fertility was fine.
And post-WWII boom.
I wouldn't know which part would describe the period of the great depression.

I thought fertility was, by realists, always considered a combination of low mortality, high women's rights and instant access to contraceptives for the average person?
I don't know what the average family size is for the rich, or the rich where the partner with the greater wealth/power is the father or the mother, but that's usually pointed to as another contradiction to the "Only poors procreate a lot".

>>2090507
>300K minting
Is that just from minting or gold mines?
What are your laws?
>unrealised taxes 300K
?

>>2088336
>>2089209
>I thought this was all the same throught the US and Europe.
The game has a problem with industrialisation fetishism.
If it accepted that you're not supposed to depeasant until after the time period then we might get some actual wage mechanics that aren't "If researched socialist tech, Then increase wages".

>>2091619
Yes. France underwent secularism a lot earlier than the rest of the world and their birth rate cratered. Not as bad as today mind you, they were still above replacement rate, but they fairly rapidly ceased to be the China of Europe with effectively limitless manpower and a population pyramid immune to casualties.

>>2091534
>corporation

>>2078453
Blacks are a problem

>>2091621
Minting from GDP caps at 200k (multiplied by tech, so 280k). I didn't keep up with admin buildings because infinite money.

>>2091673
because they fought world war 0 against a coalition of enemies and lost a million men
never recovered

>>2091984
That was after secularism in the revolution had already screwed up their birth rates. Had they not done the revolution they would have handled those losses just fine.

>>2091998
why didn't those commies just go to church and stfu

>>2091688
If it was a legitimate government, it would use anything other than mercenaries.

>>2092095
Legitimate government is an oxymoron. All states are criminal organizations.

why did those assholes in hungary ruin the austrian empire
and the fucking serbs

>>2092200
They wanted their own state, not be part of a German one.

>>2092205
yea and look at what happened to them
an irrelevant thirdie shithole

>>2092207
Nationalism, baybee!

>>2092200
The retarded austrians managed to ruin their empire on their own just fine without needing any help from the huns, by starting the war that would end it.
If fact, ironically the hungarians were probably to closest to saving the empire because they actually opposed the war. If Tisza had a bit more backbone he could have vetoed it.

>>2092235
>>2092210
t. croatians

>>2077596

>>2082363
The company doesn't have a morality. It simply wishes to appease what it perceives to be the mainstream vision of how each country see itself. In this view, the western world was always inclusive but evil in institutions and some individuals led to problems, and second and third world countries are beautiful and to be celebrated, but were temporarily victimized by the west before they began to win their internal battle of good and evil. The west got ahead because its previous institutions, though not perfect, promoted economic opportunity and growth compared to other places in the world, and the countries near where that happened benefited first. It is woke and propaganda but not wrong, just not a full picture as to not offend as many people as possible.

>>2077558
>>2077554
>>2077717
I'm not a military uniform autist but i stand by that a lot of history had at least small bands of ethnic groups you might find surprising to be in that area throughout history

>2077480
>nig
stupid racist who adds nothing to the discussion
>2078494
>nig
another one
>2078484
one more
>2078596
>nig
>2078988
and another one
>2079416
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>2080531
...
>2082450
...
>2082521
...
>>2082603
you are one of the worst, even in fiction willing to cause ethnic genocides for no other reason but specific hatred towards... skin colour.
>2086995
>2078923
>2078925
>2079665
>2079668


You worthless racists won't play good games, you don't even play games, because of your irrational hatred; you shouldn't be here. You don't even deserve the right to be baited, you are only here because you are weak and need to spew hate. The only thing you deserve is to be insulted, you are weak pathetic men who are the scum of the earth, there is no happiness for you when you die and you WILL die. You will be killed. Every time racist motherfuckers like you have risen to hurt the innocent you have been killed by good people, and that includes your fellow whites. The nazis were killed by your own whites, even betrayed from within. The anti civil right americans were hunted down like animals, the kkk and other racists trying to stop Blacks from going to school, your own army stopped you; racists are not even wanted by their own race. The normal white people who see no race will kill you, they have no allegiance to you or even to Blacks, but to humanity.

You are not here to discuss games, Victoria is a decent game worth discussion. You are here just to be racist, and as such I leave you with this truth:

You are not human, you will be killed and not even killed by minorities which will be what heartbreaks you most, you will be killed by the kinder people of your own race.

>>2092368
>It simply wishes to appease what it perceives to be the mainstream vision of how each country see itself.

Wasn't paradox always like this? they used to have an eurocentric view on history especially with their EU and CK titles. Even Victoria 2 used to be a hard on eurocentric game with their controversial naming schemes for noncivs and Africa being an entirely lifeless void. Now instead of a proactive and even at times realistic eurocentric view of history being imposed on foreign countries it seems that victoria 3's quite the exception but I don't know if they're trying to put on an agenda to it or just avoid being very touchy on sensitive topics. after all they wouldn't risk getting banned in China if they decided to perma-rig the country into collapsing once they civilize and depict the right wing's KMT successes in the early phases of the chinese civil war but that's just really late game shit.

>>2092420
It's definitely the latter.
No matter how many games about WWII they make they refuse to put all the assasinations, deportations and genocides in. Even though they were a fundamental part of the conflict for a lot of countries involved and even the neutral obes.

>>2092421
HoI4 is just a watered down depiction of the conflict lmao. Genocides and deportations? forget about that when you know that civs can't be killed even when they're unmobilized and being bombed to kingdom come. Assassinations might've been feasible but the French espionage dlc is just dogwater. Instead you get to see get fringe "funny" outcomes no one asked for, like le ebin mystery argentinian hitler and even a bear being put in charge of poland. Its just a war game period but even HoI3, fucking HoI2DH even does even a much better job of being a war game. And since they're swedes they don't have balls to depict the reality of war unless if its a 4x space strategy game.

>>2092424
The player numbers speak for themselves, though. The problem is that being "neutral" on fascists is the best depiction they could hope for, which caused their community to be overrun with these degenerates.

So why are the Dinka and the Nuba naked? Were they notably more naked than other african tribes?

>>2092388
Is this a copypasta?
Imagine believing someone loses human status for having an opinion.

>>2093474
Hard to tell, redditors are that retarded.

>>2077480
When I heard they were removing warfare from Victoria 3 I literally pooed myself with excitement!
It was a big greasy poo too. The type that leaves long thick skid marks on whatever it touches. I waddled into the restroom to pull it out but then thought better of it. I now carry it around in pants permanently to remind me how exciting it is to only have 3 buttons.

>>2078484
OMG! I had something like this happen to me when I found out how bad Victoria3 was going to be.

Normally I am what you might call a "freedom dumper". I get the urge to shit, I go to the toilet, and my shit just slides out perfectly, fast and easy. No fuss. No bother. Most of the time I dont even need to wipe because my shit is so clean and cling-free. The whole process takes a few seconds, no more, I kid you not. My sharemates have even taken to calling me "Speedy Gonzales" on account of how quickly I take a shit. But that all changed when I found out the command economy in Victoria 3.

The day started perfectly normal. Woke up, jerked off, showered, ate breakfast, you know, the usual. But then I wanted to take a dump. You can imagine my surprise when instead of the normal soft sausage being gently squeezed out of my anus I encountered this absolute hard motherfucker of a poo who would not budge. I swore. I pleaded. Eventually I even begged, but that damned turd was firmly stuck, part way out. I bore down with all my might, until I felt faint with the effort, and still it would not move. Such a dilemma. Should I just sit there and hope it would eventually pass out? Or should I try biting it off with an arse clench? Neither option was appealing, but I was running out of time. I had already exceeded the 20 second time allotment I normally reserve for my bowel movements. I went for the clench.

But the bitch was surprisingly resilient. It fought back. It was hard. It was strong. It resisted. I couldn't bite the turd in two. Dear God! It was horrible. I began to loathe Victoria 3 for what it had done to my poos. They had become hard brutal nuggets. It looked like I would just have to ride it out. I asked my sharemates to pass me food and water. In the meantime they would have to use the neighbor's toilet. Or just go outside on the back lawn. Its been 10 hours and I am still here. Damn you Paradox! Damn you all to Hell!

>>2078923
Its absolutely astonishing that people here are debating the merits of 3 button warfare and repetitious economic micro. The real issue is all the excitement Victoria is causing. So many people have now heard about Victoria 3 and have literally crapped themselves with excitement. Literally. Liquid poo in their pants. Why aren't people talking about this more?

>>2079665
I made the mistake of taking my phone with me to read while I was on the toilet. When I saw a Vic3 thread I just so excited that I wasn't able to stop my anal sphincter from fully opening and releasing a jet-like blast of hot poo into the toilet bowl. The poor thing. It was too much. It shattered under the impact. Looks like I will need to buy a new toilet.

>>2079668
Please stop posting Vic3 threads! My rectum cant take it! I see a Vic3 thread and I get so excited for the game that I immediately BLAST OUT jets of HOT STICKY POO!

>>2079784
Nothing changes the fact that the sheer excitement of Vicky 3 means my anus is squirting out loads of soft stinking poo!

>>2080531
Look, I dont care. Victoria 3 has got me really excited! Yes, there is a downside to all this excitement that I am feeling. It means I have a very sticky and stinking fecal encrusted ass due to the sheer amount of poo squirting out of my rectum. But its a small price to pay.

>>2081519
Damn.
Just when I thought this board was becoming safe from Victoria 3 threads I go ahead and click on this one.

Immediately I am overcome with excitement. For nothing can be more exciting than the prospect of finally playing Victoria 3, with its three buttons and its end to AI abuse. No more mountain luring for me!
But there is a terrible price to be paid for all this excitement. You can probably guess by now. Yes, that's right. VIOLENT DIARRHEA!

The contents of my intestines turned into liquid. My anus began to quiver, trying to resist the flood of hot sticky feces which wanted to escape from my bulging rectum. But it was futile. Too late I made a dash for the toilet. I didn't even get two steps before HOT JETS OF LIQUID POO SQUIRTED OUT OF MY ARSE WITH THE FORCE OF ONE HUNDRED FIRE HOSES!
Again and again and again!
Oh the Humanity! It was a catastrophe!
But in my opinion worth every pulse.

how to fix vic 3:
-add in micro war mechanics
-add in a more dynamic economy that can manage itself

>>2095865
1. no, go play hoi or eu. Microing hundreds of stack was super unfun in vic2, not to mention manually making army compositions.
2. it kinda is in right now. Independent investment exist, your only required input, is expanding construction sectors, and from time to time upgrading PMs. With new update, trade is not only autonomous, but sufficient to actually fulfil market needs.

if you want to try out vic3 with really deep economy, try out E&F mod, its very well made.

>>2084188
You people dont even play the game huh, you want as oppressive a stance on minorities as possible as when they're not accepted theyll assimilate into your primary culture. So an optimal set up is open borders so you can get as much migration as possible and then as low of acceptance you can get so you can maximize assimilation. If anything the game is super biased in favor of oppressive policy

>>2089003
If the money goes to the poor theyll buy more and eventually upgrade their sol to buy even more which raises the profitability of your buildings, if your rich had the money their sol would be higher and they'd buy more but there's so few in your economy it tends to not matter you'd rather raise the bottom up since there's a lot more consumers there

>>2096626
Forgot to day the buy packages get a lot more goods and espically the need to buy luxury goods from 10 to 20 eventually no longer needing many low tier goods around the 30's

>>2096372
E&F makes you micro a 20th central bank that was teleported into the Victorian era, I don't think Anon would want to do that considering he wanted a self functioning economy

>1.8
>casually conquered west europe playing as italy
>1.9
>can't defeat the UK playing as France
This is nonsense.

>>2096823
>UK gets free 300 divisions from india to deploy in all conflicts

working as intended

>>2096895
Not only that but also
>UK hates you
>they'll get involved in every single war you start
>UK is hated by France, Russia and Spain
>they can conquer half of China without anyone willing to contest them

>>2096372
Vicky II Great Wars are the best part of the game because it's the only PDX game in wich late game matters, real pops die in it and it significanlly changes the landscape of the world.

>>2088336
That's unrelated to what I said.

>>2096976
>they can conquer half of China
I never really understood why paradox can never give nations a reason not to paint China. Even lowering your literacy is a literally who cares moment and only a player would mind about having a bunch of Chinese pops moving to their country.

>>2097112
AI makes no distinction between when to blob and when NOT to blob. Especially since it was pretty arbitrary, historically, and both Russia and Japan took big chunks of China. To Paradox's credit, they've stepped up their trading game, as that's what it was all about, but still.

>check the subreddit
>see players posting their communes
>anarchism
>>liberal police state with enforced liberties (free speech, multicult, full feminism, secularism, state schools, state healthcare)
>>player is trying to pass pensions but is being cock blocked by industrialist executives
Not a single comment talking about IRL anarchists (Catalonia) being the equivalent of state atheists with militarised police/violent oppression decrees and a collectivised economy under pressure from the communists and their ability to have a hierarchy...

>>2097148
Reddit is full of liberals, which are interested in virtue signaling, not history or political theory. Paradox has devs with anarchist, and communist sympathies, which is better, and they're big on history, but not exactly big on political theory, either. Plus, Paradox also has their job as a game developer interfering, since history isn't exactly "balanced".

You now remember that Victoria 2 included Anarcho-Libs, and had "Bourgeois Dictatorship" as a distinct government type.

>>2097160
>they're big on history, but not exactly big on political theory, either
>You now remember that Victoria 2 included Anarcho-Libs, and had "Bourgeois Dictatorship" as a distinct government type.
And I'm now remembering we just got corporate state/petite bourgeois dictatorship thanks to a Paradox dev facerolling his keyboard before taking one of his fifty state mandated month long Swedish holidays
A "fascist" gov type with a feminist icon that's demanded by... a worker's rights ideology which only has the red line of no minimum wage. Also it's compatible with line goes up gameplay, democracy and anarchy.

That anarcho-lib gov type would be a breath of fresh air even if it's just Uruguay making the headlines for having their anarcho-lib government being overthrown by another anarcho-lib government for the fifth time this year. I miss the newspapers.

>>2082304
Culture war is fighting about the correct amount of gay rights, not jews trying to replace you retard.
>>2095847
>pooposter is still going
How many years has it been? Based.
>>2092424
The french espionage DLC was literally a cheap copy of an deeper espionage mod.
>civs can't be killed even when they're unmobilized and being bombed to kingdom come
I'll take the contrarian position that I don't see the value in having the state population decrease except after nuclear bombing, it's pointless simulationism. I'd rather the resources were spent on simulating trained manpower like pilots and tank crew.

>>2096895
>>2096976
Sounds like the game has barely changed since 1.3 or whatever was supposed to have saved it. Any good overhaul mods yet?

>>2097160
It's kind of funny how fascist is the best kind of government in Vicky II but that is completely coincidental with the mechanics of the game.

>>2097189
How do you get it without losing land (if that actually makes a difference)?
Whenever I had rebels that late there was basically 1 regiment that declared for them (not at my capital), 40 commies and 300 socdems.
I don't think I ever had a communist government in that game last more than 5 minutes before socdems returned dictatorship to the electorate from the proles.

And this was after I personally modded the game to replace as many copypasted political leanings as possible with someting more appropriate, such as not making capitalists give a shit about minimum wage when people are starving (because people starve when the simulation fails in Vicky II, not when they're not paid enough, and the exact same problem happens in Vicky 3 which has a defacto minimum wage).

>>2097482
If you have either the fascist or commies in power and you let your militancy raise over 5 (or something like that) there's a very high chance they make a coup d'etat and the country becomes a totalitarian one party estate.
Kinda like losing to rebels but you don't lose prestige.
You first need them to get elected if you are a democracy, should be easy using your national foci.
What I have personally never managed is to revert from a democracy to a monarchy. Although I know there is a method for it.

>>2077284
It's a latinx tag with cultural exclusion.

>>2097500
ohhh. And here I thought party loyalty was worthless.

>>2082603
>The optimal way to play the game is multicultural and it has no downsides.
it’s realistic

>>2097694
The only ones that are really worthless are the encourage railroad/industry ones.
And the increase tension and encourage inmigration are also useless for 80% of countries.

>>2077227 (OP)
There is an entire DLC centered around jeets. No new mechanics just jeet stuff.

>>2077248
no thank god they didn't

>>2096372
Holy fucking shit, please learn how to use commas.

By the way, the devs (inadvertently) added a genocide mechanic. If you occupy a state for years without peacing out, the zero market access will cause famine and decimate its population. If you want to depopulate China, you can.

too many fookin trannies and with only good guy trannies becoming op modifier

>>2078207
I haven't played hoi4 in awhile, but that whole "draw an arrow in the direction you want stuff to go" always felt janky to me, so I'd just micro everything.

>>2078398
It really bugs me that a wholesome concept like Tikkun Olam gets shit on. It's just about making the world a better place. No, I don't care if there's some line in the Talmud about a group of rabbis who determine that Tikkun Olam includes doing naughty things to the goyim; no one reads the Talmud. At religious school, it was only mentioned and never actually studied. The only people who study Talmud are the Orthodox, and they consider non-Orthodox Jews to be goyim too.
And I can guarantee that most of the elite Jews who are responsible for spreading leftism and other post-modern garbage don't even go to temple. All I know is that I was raised to believe that Tikkun Olam meant being nice to people, doing good deeds, and stuff like picking up litter and planting trees.

kek imagine being a low iq amerimutt falling for communism
USA literaly funded and fed USSR, created it's industry and USSR still collapsed
same with China but now they're sweat shop of the world where changs are slaves that build Iphones for White men
leftists are literaly the strongest corporate soldiers, they cannot stop conoooooming corporate media and slop

>>2081519
For me? It's proto-women, Arabs.

>>2100421
>kek
we have a rare 100% retarded vantablack nigger ESL sighting in the wild, get the skull callipers

>>2099683
that was already possible with devastation since release, as it increases pop mortality

>>2077592
Faggot he btfo you. Kys. Now.

>>2078084
They do tho

>>2100597
No, because it didn't effect market access and wore off quickly. There's a reason why everyone is complaining occupation devastation in the forums.

>>2100882
that's irrelevant, if you keep it occupied without peacing out (which you have to do in both cases) the devastation will remain capped at 100% which will decimate the country in question after some time.

>>2080190
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Dowager_Cixi

you "people" disgust me. never post on this site ever again or at least keep your shittery in the designated shitting boards

>>2077294
I have severe woke fatigue

>>2078484
There's something charming about this level of racism. I can't help but laugh

>>2101932
post ur hand

>>2101937
post your nose

>>2082532
Are you a South Korean woman?
Only they could possibly think this is edgy.