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Parmenion edition

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>>2180545
come on ghostmaster you'll figure it out

>>2180545
I just fortified the area around the gates extensively and trained mostly cavalry so I could run off to different areas quickly as needed

>>2180586 (OP)
The original grew on me, honestly. I think I prefer it.

>>2180654
I wish he didn't die :(

At least Cleitus is still alive :)

>>2180545
Here's how i did it on legendary with no one escaping

The first part is a little cheesy but it helps
>when the intro battle ends, split your army in two; companion cavalry to the north and the rest to the south
>enemies will begin escaping once you take the 2 bases or once 12min have passed, so only take one base (preferably north) and use that time window to get some units and defenses ready
>research the improved doctrines, remain in conscript doctrine early and mercenary doctrine late.
>build priestesses for healing and converting elephants, it really turns battles around
>carpet the map in fortified outposts
>put castles along main enemy routes, specially teal's
>imperial cavalry + imperial guardsmen + scythian ca into victory

>>2180655
I wish Alexander didn't die :(

>>2180662
Nah just go all companion cavalry

>>2180668
>shitpanion shitvalry

Saw this on the AOE2 discussion

It would be exciting to see a sequel to the Alexander the Great campaign, following a “what if” alternate history approach similar to the Aztec campaign. In this version, Alexander would not stop at India. Instead, the campaign would explore a fictional scenario where he continues his conquests across much of the known world.

Each scenario would increase in difficulty as Alexander advances: from deeper into India, through China, Korea, and Japan, across the steppe, into Eastern Europe, then Western and Northern Europe, and finally Africa.

By the time the player reaches the African campaign, the difficulty could be tuned for elite players. This final chapter would present an intense challenge, meant to push even top-tier players like TheViper to their limits on Legendary difficulty.

This campaign structure could also serve as a way to introduce new Chronicle civilizations. Each regional DLC could focus on the cultures and factions Alexander encounters in that area, allowing new civs to be added organically. For example, East Asian civilizations could be introduced in the China and Korea arc, steppe and Slavic civs in the Eastern European phase, and powerful African empires in the final chapter.

To tie everything together, the campaign could be structured as a multi-part progression system. At the end of each DLC, players would save their progress and carry it into the next expansion, creating a sense of long-term conquest. This would allow for a continuous campaign experience across multiple DLCs.

Each chapter would also offer different outcomes depending on the player’s success. If a player is defeated in a given region, that DLC would conclude with a “bad” ending, such as Alexander’s death in battle, rebellion among his troops, or collapse of the empire. On the other hand, victory would unlock the next stage of conquest, with Alexander living longer and pushing deeper into the world.

>>2180678
Are you the guy who hit his head as a kid? You sound like it.

>>2180674
They're an amazing unit

>>2180678
>>2180678
Africa. TheGhostMaster is done, exhausted like Napoleon Bonaparte.

>>2180680
As the guy who hit his head as a kid, no, please do not besmirch my name like that.

Tried loading up Genie editor today to add canon galleons to Aztecs to test the campain with galleons, Genie editor doesn't work on my machine.

I just wanted to make aztec campain have slingers, imperial skimerishers and siege ballista, and elite canon galleons.

>>2180697
Yeah?

>>2180662
I beat the scenario in my own way, a little different from yours
>Send whole army to capture one base, be as efficient as possible, try to not lose many units, phalanguites focusing down elephants and infantry, companions actively meatshielding phalanguites, archers focusing down the Puru UU archer
>Take the southern base first, powerbuild the castle, then with the help of pause spread vills evenly to minimize worker building time
>Rush healing outposts tech, inmediately send a vill to the middle, have my army of phalanguites, archers and alexander patrolling near the middle gate under the healing aura of an outpost
>Take my surviving companions, add cavalry archers and make them a control group
>Send a scout cavalry to scout and reveal the areas infront of the enemy gathers, and aggressively foward outpost as possible without luring the defenders
>Send 17 vills into gold and wood, open primarely CAs
>Start outpost spamming the front of the city, less travel distance, have more time to react, footmen soldiers patrolling in the middle just in case
>Actively try to split armies in two before engaging, specially separating the elephants from their archers
>Cheese the traders (will demostrate next screenie)
>Actively roam the map with 60 units of horsemen, footmen in the middle, horsemen reserve in the east flank
>Outpost creep the entire map
>When capped, start spamming castles on the roads
>Chill and win
I DID pause A LOT, and althought I also saved a lot of times, I never reloaded the game
Honestly, going companions, CAs and aggressively roam with foward healing outposts is the winning strategy, cannot afford to be lax

>>2180720
Oh btw, you can actually cheese the traders (if they spawn in this east location, they can spawn on the west)
They cannot escape, they are stuck, and they actually barely attack the fort, instead opting to uselessly trying to path tru the forest while getting pelted by arrows.
Simply focus fire the carts, get the free res and attend somewhere else while the fort finished the caravan 1 by 1

I ended liking this mission a little, there's a lot of strategizing, tho there's also a certain APM-check too, otherwise I would have spammed pauses as much as I did

>>2180682
they're kinda worse than paladins, and you get paladins

>>2180754
You're thinking in skirmish
I'm thinking in campaign
Two very different circumstances

Did you guys already discussed the GIANT AOE2 naval upcming rework?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dfUcFHlaNB5vFm1QkB6ug_P53XyFudyVtfcd8_ZmgGU/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1r0h00x62bro

tl;dr all naval upgrade are moved to the university, a new ship to counter fireships, and and entire rebalance and change of ship lines for civs with unique ships.

>>2180766
There are literally 200 posts about it in the last thread

I use pause all the time in campaigns

>>2180767
and 150 or so of those was back and forth autistic screeching because Aztecs are getting cannon galleons

>>2180766
I suppose moving the techs to the university offsets not splitting the building like Chronicles did. Would be nice if making your first Dock spawned a scout ship of some sort though.

>do a bunch of RM skirmishes, trying to improve my dark age / early feudal
>start seeing the same map regularly
>like very regularly, out of any given group of 10 I will reliably see the same map twice
Are there like a tiny pool of seeds for skirmish or something? I assume if this was the case in ranked or whatever people would have picked up on it.

>>2180766
Yes but it devolved into one retard complaining about the meso civs getting cannon galleon because it doesn't fit his autism for like half the thread

>>2180766
I honestly dont really care, I'm still waiting for the increase player limit update
Imagine an 8vs8 team game

>>2180754
>>2180762
Even in RM it would depend what you're up against, and it seems like it'd be a pretty decent transition in the mid-late game if your opponent was going unique units. Not as expensive to tech into as cavalier+paladin, don't need to build stables if you already have a castle or two for their own purpose, more pierce armor, slightly faster. Macedonians having shared armor techs would help that too. Probably wouldn't be amazing in multiplayer but it could be workable, and chronicles civs have a lower power level than regular ones in general imo.

>>2180766
wait, this meme isnt just for the purpose of the tournament and is being added to the actual game? i just kind of ignored everything about it in the previous thread since i thought it was a tournie only thing.

>>2180794
It's a mounted samurai

>>2180796

this is like a beta patch, because if theres one thing everyone agrees on the AOE2 community is that water maps are by far the most boring maps in the game, and that fire ships are impossible to balance.

>>2180801
Yeah and samurai are nice to have on hand if your opponent starts shitting out melee uniques.
And companions aren't infantry so they suck less by default.

>>2180722
Why would anyone play with that godawful font, anyway?

>>2180808
Companions are also friends :)

>>2180810
Jolly band of friendly macedonians on a romp through the near east or an awful horde of smelly japanese that never leave their shitty island?
I know which I want to make.

>>2180809
Is that really the most interesting thing you have to talk about right now

>>2180813
I've been wondering it while seeing those screenshots for days desu

>>2180804
i hope this means i can play bohemians on every map instead of being forced to change to a civ with a half decent navy.

>>2180809
Because it's clear and easy to read.
That's why.

>>2180823
So is the normal font

>>2180796
Yeah it's basically testing the waters (no pun intended) for naval balance adjustments since it's never been a popular part of the game. It's really just massing Galleys or Fire Ships depending on how far into the game you're in and then some, and T90 has been complaining about the dock being an unintuitive mess sometime ago as well. Chronicles in itself has sort of been an experimental test bed for trying out ideas in that area, and if anything's coming out of it to the base game - it seems to just be melee ships and gold/wood trade.

In any case, hopefully it doesn't fuck over civs without Bracer as much.

>>2180794
The main bottleneck seems to be training speed, they're considerably slower than most Castle units in this area and don't benefit from doctrines either. Even without UUs I'd still consider them against ranged armies.

>chronicles civs have a lower power level than regular ones in general imo.

Athenians when they had that +7% Economic Policy were insane, but even now they'd probably still be quite competent with fast Hoplites. Achaemenids are sluggish initially, but War Chariots are competent units while Reed Arrows is a pretty disgusting tech overall. Spartans would have a pretty mean MMA Flush and then probably fall off like a rock in Imperial. Thracians will come off as being a bit weak, but Puru I haven't really tried enough.

The Puru elephant seems like absolute ass to be quite honest

>>2180836
Thracians are the best civ or this DLC

>>2180843
said no one ever

>>2180825
And?

>>2180836
That's most elephant units in general, outside of team games.

>>2180847
sure thing champ enjoy your subpar off-brand kamayuk, lack of decent eco bonus and dogshit 2 pop space elephants

>>2180843
ThrASSians

>>2180853
Enjoy your "infantry civ" with no blast furance or infantry armor

You all are gunna look real stupid when we get Pontus as a civ

>>2180858
>with no blast furance or infantry armor
This is mitigated in two ways
1. Imperial age tech to strip armour from targets
2. Castle age tech to get resources from infantry attacking units/buildings
These unique techs provide the means for a highly offensive focus

>>2180836
>>2180858
I would host a diplomacy game, me play as inca you play as your civ just to see if that's true. Hell, If we had 8 players in total i'd go full diplomacy all civs, chronicles and AOE2.

Ghostmaster the great, everyone.

>>2180853
elephants, as in history, are mostly a meme
the real kicker is the puru eco bonus

>>2180863
What the fuck are you on about?

I suspect Aztec Cannon Galleons might get replaced by equally ahistorical but maybe less outraging Dromen.
Or going forward, units are no longer locked to themes and are for balance alone.

>>2180766
Ornlu tested them on video and with their current balance Hulks just delete every other ship despite supposedly being countered by Galleys. Gonna be a hilarious tournament if they don't hotfix that shit.

>>2180863
You got the wrong person, my man

They should add increase the max number of players from 8 to 16 just like AOM does it

>>2180872
If the leak is to be believed.
>Romans get ballistia for siege
>Romans get dromen

>Inca, Mayan, Aztec's and new mesoamerican civilizations in the DLC get stone thrower galleon.
>Stone thrower for siege
>Singers are regional unit now
>Atlatl thrower are a new unqiue unit that's regional
>Eagle trash unit

>>2180877
It was kinda obvious you wouldn't want to play against other shitlords here.

>>2180879
Any guesses of who are gonna be the new meso civs?

i want 10v10s like in my Eugen games

>>2180878
They should WC3 got 12v12 before reforged was even added, Why can't we get 8v8 team games?

>>2180881
If, I had to assume it would be aztec campain civlization or inca rivals or mayan city state.

native americans are just too F tier to add since there's nothing powerful about them, oppose to mesoamericans who actually had civilization.

>>2180881
I hope it’s Zapotec (since they were in Ao3 as a minor settlement)
Or much more likely from a gameplay perspective, the Tarascan/Purapuche.
As they consistently beat the Aztecs, used bronze-working to a limit extent and were an Archer Civ.
But then the Maya and them would need to swap UU. Maya were much more a javelin people.

>>2180884
It would be quite the fun plus it can help make campaign scenarios more interesting and challenging.

>>2180869
Thracians/Puru Vs. Inca

How do you not get that?

>>2180888
Team game, only two flanks get scouts. sub pocket, and pocket don't. meaning you don't have 4 scouts on one side or 8 because it's all in.

>>2180892
Sounds fun.

>>2180880
Kind of? I can't gauge how good these players are
If they are middling, then a stomp by my part woudn't be fun for anybody, maybe stomping the AIs together would be fun, but maybe that's for another day

>>2180889
>How do you not get that?
I have no idea what the fuck incas have to do with anything, what this indian who keeps posting campaign screenshots has to do with anything, how a diplomacy game would prove anything about balance, or why you're taking shitposting about a non-multiplayer civ's balance as some personal challenge.

>>2180895
>non-multiplayer civ's
Use "Unranked" then host a game, "All civs".

>>2180903
I am aware.
They are openly not designed for multiplayer though, hence why discussing balance is really just a matter of theorizing and/or shitposting and not something to get upset over.

>>2180586 (OP)
I hear the growl of the jaugar

>>2180943
Imagine if the Americas were colonized by the Macedonians
We would all be greekoids

>>2180943
>Macedonian eagles
jesus christ how horrifying

This game has to have the worst AI in any RTS. On extreme the AI just hordes resources and shits out villagers at an inhuman rate while advancing through the ages faster than humanly possible, then it just sends an unbending stream of random units at you in the same direction over and over until it runs out of resources or you do. How the fuck do I learn the basics of this game like hotkeys and fast micro? If I play MP I'll just get bodied over and over and no tutorial on game teaches you anything that matters against real players.

>>2180948
The skirmish AI explicitly does not cheat though... It's just better than you.

>>2180949
I've beaten extreme skirmish AI, I'm just making a point that it's braindead and not all like playing against a real person. If you just rush it early before it starts doing 50 tasks at once like a Korean on crack it folds like paper, no strategy to it.

>>2180950
Then you should be able to play against people, just start grinding ranked and you'll get it.

>>2180678
>Saw this
That ESL spouted his bullshit a couple threads ago, so if you're not samefagging then you're just dumb.

>>2180948
>How the fuck do I learn the basics of this game like hotkeys and fast micro?
You learn hotkeys by using them. Don't listen to pros who've been playing for decades telling you to set up some complex bullshit, use the grid layout the game defaults to. Make a point of not clicking to build units/buildings, instead just look and press the appropriate button. Play a few singleplayer games (even campaigns) until you get this down. Non building/production hotkeys can come later; introduce them as you feel the need to that thing faster.
Fast micro just comes with playing more. There's some tricks, but by and large it's not complicated. Micro is just telling your units to do things. The more you play, the faster you get at telling your units to do things. It's really that simple outside of split micro / quick walling / TC garrison tricks. Those are more advanced though, even if a lot of the playerbase uses them nowadays; they aren't needed at first.

Both the things you're talking about aren't even AoE skills though, they're fundamental RTS skills. Learning a genre of game takes time, but managing your economy properly in a match is what's really hard to learn and apply in AoE.
>and no tutorial on game teaches you anything that matters against real players
The art of war campaign is explicitly that. If you can do okay at those, you can probably play ranked. There's some real retards out there to play with, even if you suck ass. Just don't let your ego get bruised in the initial Elo drop, same as any other Elo system.
>>2180950
Being able to beat the extreme AI without using hotkeys is not an insignificant feat. Learn to press Q twice to build a house and you'd do just fine at 1k Elo.

>>2180948
Have you done the art of war tutorials? They are essentially a tutorial to prep you for multiplayer. The early economy scenario is the most important. You should be able to comfortably get a gold medal from it.
>hotkeys
Start small and work up from there. The ones you absolutely need to know are:
>go to next town center
>train villager
>select next idle villager
The default hotkeys for selected units/buildings map the grid at the bottom left side of the screen to the keyboard. Press Q and it performs the action in the top left corner, A performs the action under that and so forth. With a villager selected, QQ builds a house and QA builds a farm. Experiment with this and you'll get familiar with it pretty quick.
Eventually I recommend adding hotkeys for
>go to blacksmith
>go to university
>select all barracks/stable/archery range
>select all markets
>select all tcs
>select all idle villagers
>select all idle military

>>2180961
>Saw this
That part isn't ESL at anon, what?.
>on the AOE2 discussion
That part is

>>2180962
I reread this and realized I probably should have clarified:
>Make a point of not clicking to build units/buildings, instead just look and press the appropriate button.
The appropriate button based on the grid, I meant. You can pretty quickly use the grid mapping to your keyboard to guide you to learn hotkeys. Even if you don't memorize the specific hotkeys, you'll still be faster.
>Non building/production hotkeys can come later
I should have added that your "go to town centrer" and "select idle villager" hotkeys are not optional, but I map those to mouse 4/5 and don't even think of them as hotkeys anymore.

>>2180964
My bad, I was being hasty in my wording; I was initially accusing him of samefagging in general, so him saying he "saw this post" was highly redundant.

Lmao, cute reference

Wow, the new civs in the Alexander the Great DLC are pretty disappointing in multiplayer. The Macedonians' fortified outposts are a cool concept and work well for farms and healing, but their army feels underwhelming, especially their unique pike unit which is just F-tier. Puru has a decent eco bonus, but their elephants fall off hard. Thracians feel extremely weak and don't have many strategic options.

The developers said these civs weren’t made for multiplayer, but it feels like they weren’t made for singleplayer either when you look at their units, techs, and uniques.

Da- Da- Da- DOG SHIT, SHIT SHIT SHIT. Healer / Support Civs D tier at most, random would not pick again.

>>2180998
Skill issue

>>2180998
https://youtu.be/2Iahq5LuaIg

Sample size of 1? Yeah, That would give you that idea. No offense but you've gotta learn how to play them like cancer, it takes time to kill the host.

>>2180948
Skill issue

>>2180979
what is it referencing?

>>2181047
What's the point of this picture exactly

>>2180948
That's a very bold statement when DE's Extreme AI is probably the most honest RTS AI I've dealt with from a non-modded standpoint (even if this release had the better of 20+ years game experience to go off of), while still having some measure of competence and punishing people who sit on their ass. Without having done any deep digging into it personally, I think maybe the closest thing to cheating it does is figuring out where you might be in something like a Nomad game, which even then isn't completely ridiculous for a very attentive player to do and it still does some scouting - whether to appear as being believable is one thing. There's no weird tech advantages with training units they shouldn't have, resource cheating, complete map visibility, or deliberately team on the player and ignoring each other in a fucking FFA. Things that plenty of RTS games may do.

Given the game's complexity I think it manages a lot of things well or at least tries to. Fucking hell, it even offer a myriad of orders if you are on the same team and does things like reporting locations of enemies to you. Not many RTS even offer that. It begins trade in team games maybe a bit prematurely but also appropriately in the Imperial Age, mass-killing villagers it doesn't need to make space for trade carts. Sometimes its scout will cheekily try to kill a vulnerable villager and you can't cheese it as easily with tower rushes anymore. It can't emulate a pro player or play migration maps well (especially on Regicide) but the devs have covered most cases fine.

It's not without caveat, what with throwing units into castles and it can be picked clean right from the Feudal Age. Sometimes the unit composition it picks for their chosen civ is generally and consistently shitty, even if they do try to counter your units. If you are letting them get free reign over training Post-Imp deathballs, then you are probably biting off more than you can chew insofar.

TL;DR we take this shit for granted

>>2180682
No, they are not. -40HP compared to paladins completely negate the +1PA, and they have 1 less melee armour and damage. And to top it off, they don't benefit from doctrines
Their only saving grace is that everything in Alexander is considered a unique unit, but even then you'd rather have paladins

>>2181061
This is all true and none of it matters because it will trickle trash units into a castle for the entire game once the early game is over.

so the next expansion is definitely Rome, but if they do come back East to cover the diadochi which 3 civs would they add in that particular DLC?
Ptolemies, Seleucids and Pontus?

>>2181066
>Next DLC
Roman Kingdom
>DLC after that
Roman Republic
>DLC after THAT
Roman Empire
There's your next 3 Chronicles.
ROMA AETERNUM

>>2181065
And it also won't prioritize firing at your more important units if its own castle is being attacked, plenty of things probably won't be addressed. At least they might be a bit wiser to take siege in Imperial.

>>2181048
>why is someone posting about a DLC being added to the steam backend for the game this thread is about
Come on anon

>>2181068
I don't even want that as a romeaboo. Keep the period early and expand it.
The literal perfect plan would be Rome, Etruscans and someone from southern Italy or Phyrus or something, cover Rome's expands. Then Carthage / Iberians / Gauls for the perfect Hannibal Barca campaign.

Be me, Medieval game enthusiast.
>Oh, Boy. I'm going to play as the most powerful civilization. The Turks.
>POV: The bohemians have tanks in AOE2.
>WHY GOD?

>>2181090
ah, yes. the bohemians like siege does counter them but like..
>Siege gets destroyed by their long range canons
>Tanky, Tanks that are fast.
>Pike doesn't counter
>Pal doesn't counter
>Archers are pointless
>Siege gets countered by bombards unqiue.
Kill them before thy get to castle age.

>>2181090
>tanks
Die to villagers btw

>>2181090
War Elephants have always been the true tanks of AoE 2

>>2181098
I posted this and immediately realized I mentally thought entirely of the persians when I read turks for literally no reason.

You after finishing a filthydelphia scenario:
>wtf that took way too long, I hate low pop limits and restricted units, and there were way too many objectives, what a boring slog. and I had to wait for three hours to get my army back every time I tried to attack the enemy with my much weaker forces, how is this fun
Me after finishing a filthydelphia scenario:
>Phew! That was a fun eight hours. There's so many different triggers and resources all over the map to encourage exploration, and many options for how to use your resources and balance your army composition. Obviously there are many different ways to play this mission to make sure no one gets locked out, ensuring a gradual increase in strength and population that only makes overpowering your enemies in the climax more enjoyable. In addition, the scenario encourages you to use your units carefully, attacking weak enemies or going for quick raids instead of all-in assaults, which results in a unique playstyle that really makes you feel like a viking. I think I'll play it again and try a different approach! *click* *prööööööööhh*

>>2181105
I've never played one. Which should I try first?

>>2181110
the dude's baiting you, his levels are universally loathed

>>2181110
https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/filthydelphias-campaign-collection/112886
That's mainly describing his "epic" style maps.
I haven't played all of them, I think Finehair is relatively small.

>>2181119
Obviously.
Maybe I want to take the bait head on? Sometimes a bit of suffering is good for the soul.

>>2181095
So like mass villagers, against hand cannons and bombards with bigger splash and pikes?

I feel like that's a bad idea.

>>2181085
Etruscans can just be reskinned Romans

>>2181130
Having multiple Italian civs seems like Chronicles' style.

>>2181128
It's a terrible idea. Even chronicles civs can't bear them. Turks are really the only one that can beat them

It's starting
>Streams
https://www.twitch.tv/hera (Super faggot)
https://www.twitch.tv/nili_aoe (faggot junior)
https://www.twitch.tv/membtv (based and SOVL)

>>2181206
This is your host. Say something nice about her.

>>2181208
I would let her pick my berries... if you know what I mean

>>2181208
Hera gets to fuck this

>>2181208
I would reseed her farms if you catch my drift.

>>2181206
>gaijin streamers forced to watch and cast over pre-recorded VoDs they have no control over
so this is the power of Chinese esports production

>>2181224
Look man, Worlds is going on for League in China so we aren't getting shit.

>>2181206
How is hera streaming if he is in the in-person tournament?

>>2181224
the games were streamed live over the past 9 hours

Andy titanic

Wait Viper still wins sometimes?

I only care for the viper post viper and t90

>>2181250
Viper's "downfall" is just getting 2nd/3rd instead of a lock for 1st lol

>>2181252
Dunno m8 I haven't seen a viper mustardpiss in years I still remember when he could win with a flaming treb a 3HP spearman and a dream.

>>2181206
im watching ornlu and none of those nerds

Wait I blinked where is viper's army

I hate his map what's so wrong about the nomad start.

Any tips on how to play Burgundians? I like their units, bonuses and tech tree

>>2181206
Sorry I won't watch Memb 'til he learns how to say "villagers".

Is it know how long have the gweilo players have been in china before the event? I imagine noone is playing fresh from the airport.

Xing pong ding dong

Time to see the flopper argie get assraped.

I'd fuck this chinese chick

I want to impregnate chinese women.

Do not fall for the Chinese propaganda.

>>2181322
Here we go.

Nicov's a bitch

>i like arena, arabia and random ponds that only serve as resource dark holes and don't add nothing to the game when both players commit
I hate this trend so much

>Not nomad
For what purpose

Another masterpiece from Nithrow.

is there any reason to pick the Romphaias over the Peltasts here?
>gold intensive anti-cav infantry unit, does basically the same thing your Phalangites do without the range advantage
>strong ranged trash unit that synergises well with your Phalangites, doesn't eat into your gold and keeps them safe from enemy foot archers

>>2181287
In Dark Age take boars especially early because you want to get Double Bit Axe as soon as possible. And then Horse Collar after you've clicked up if you're gonna make farms. You usually go up a vil or two later compared to typical civs, but have much better eco.

In a Fast Castle boom build you do like 27-28 vils in Dark Age. Get Double Bit again as fast as possible, Horse Collar and first gold mining tech on the way up, then Bow Saw and Heavy plow after you've clicked up to Castle. You can arrive in Castle, plop down two TCs, and have basically full Castle Age eco upgrades already done. Insane boom from there on out.

If you're doing knights in Castle Age, Cavalier is the absolute number one priority upgrade since it's both your Bloodlines equivalent and gives +2 attack (and costs as much as Bloodlines basically). Once you get to Imp, click Paladin before anything else because it takes a million years to research.

In Feudal you can play basically anything. Flemish Militia is a pretty sick basically better Man at Arms so that's a fun option. Lategame gunpowder is godly. Coustilliers don't hold up against equivalent knight line units head to head, but you have FU halbs you can mix in too, and they absolutely delete archers and can even reasonably take fights against spears since they nuke half of them at the start of the battle and clean up the rest reasonably well.

>>2181439
Absolutely none, outside range, peltasts are objetively superior to elite skirms

And another one! How does Fuckov do it every time!

>>2181439
rhomphaias are cooler

>>2181448
Thanks, anon

>Comfy Macedonian missions
>Take a break to watch comfy AoE 2 matches

This game is just so fucking good guys, I almost pity the plebs that don't know this joy.

>>2181208
I want to drush her.

>open gayme
>briefly excited at a new announcement pop-up
>it's 4slop, not actually talking about the next dlc or the water rework
can't describe how terribly disappointed this made me feel after those two and a half seconds of excitement

Why do I see pros using box formation on larger groups sometimes these days? Is there a point to it?

>>2181047
>unknown app, 13 months ago
RIP china DLC, you were cool before the shareholders decided you didn't deserve to exist

>Alexander in game: pretty boy with poetic flair
>Alexander in real life: alchoholic grug with hyperviolent tendencies
really makes you think

>>2181627
I mean the Greek bust also looks quite handsome. And Davout was based.

>>2181627
Actually Alexander in real life was a short sissy that got topped by his boyfriend.

>>2181627
old one looks like tucker carlson if he took chad pills

>>2181634
>And Davout was based.
That's Tsar Alexander I

>>2181627
There's basically no difference between the two statues

>>2181064
Trample damage

>>2181068
I want them to go the fuck back and make a Troy or Babylon DLC

>>2180998
Puru elephants are unkillable but they're ass against buildings which is why they have armored elephants to mix in.

I swear know Parmenion's voice actor from some other game and the fact I can't quite place it is driving me up the fucking wall

>>2182180
>AoE1 has a Troy scenario
>AoE2:RoR has a Troy scenario
>AoM has multiple Troy scenarios
it's been 3200 years and this war is still living rent free in everyone's heads

>>2182182
Heavy Rain???

>>2182191
it is the ultimate exemple of how heavy simping can collapse a whole nation

>>2181627
bottom left is Depardieu

>>2182191
>>2182198
Bros, What if your name is Troy. Your always on the look out for a whore or guy who could destroy you.

What lack of bussy does to a greek nigga

>>2182211
>desTROY you

>Make a variety of units, for the enemy will react to your army comp!
"Nah I'd win"
>Queues up 200 more companions

>>2182267
*User was based for this post*

"Nah I'm built different"
Anyways, won this mission, the final push was scary at first but I won relatively comfortably
Mostly due all green units technically having feudal units and feudal upgrades

In the end, it is an amazing campaign, amazing voice acting, amazing map design, decent cinematic artstyle, I rate 10/10
Hope the devs keep doing a good work with the upcoming rome DLC

>Saves AOE2 from the 3 Chinkdoms DLC by delivering the greatest kino since Age of Kings and the latest Chronicles.
Truly he keeps winning after dying over 2000 years ago.

>>2180766
>AOE2 naval upcming rework
Please don't mess this up, maybe I'll finally play water maps

Late to picking up Alexander
Is legendary difficult but playable if you're competent at RTS and willing to lose and retry a few times? Or is it something you just have to cheese to get through? Heard a decent amount of bitching about the difficulty.

We're back!

>>2182382
it is already messed up

>>2182405
It's very playable, like extremely. I just got to mission 3 and realized the AI for our side is dog shit. Philip the great.. ..doesn't have any army, dies to small raids of army and scorpions that old guy that hates me doesn't make a single fucking unit.

For uh.. planning the conquest of greece they sure are lacking.

>>2182439
The Battle of Chaeronea
>Cleitus has no base for some reason and is your unit..
>Philip gets overrun by 30 minutes, since he sends small groups of 10 men to attack the enemy base with no siege. Why don't you believe the skill i have? dies blames you..

>Parmenion is useless sending a token force to help you and not booming, he lacks any major farms, wood cutters and is noob player who just takes up resources on the map.

To win, you can just wall both sides of the map and funnel them down the center, into onagers since the AI never builds siege beyond rams.

>>2182442
Ironic considering the elite soilders he had just aren't even fucking mention, let alone the couple army they fought.

https://youtu.be/O6E-UsrTyvU

>>2182442
>you can just wall both sides of the map and funnel them down the center
Nah I'd win head-on

Walls are for generals who lack sufficient ELAN

>>2182405
Legendary is actually very hard and you have to get your strategy down to actually win those. Worst part is just your ai allies are sometimes useless retards (mostly just Parmenion). Other times your allies will actually make like easier, but it's a mixed bag between missions. As a general rule of thumb if your ally is Perccidas you got an ally that can actually help you and if it's Parmenion you have one that can kill 50% of the raids.

>>2182524
STOP bullying Parmenion

>>2182529
>Parmenion
No.

>>2182371
>>2182321
>Alexander the Great
>his DLC is great

Like pottery.

>>2182321
>>2182623
AI just isn't built to handle castle spam, they send token rams. Meanwhile high ELO plays, here's 60 siege rams fully loaded with 60 paladins and 60 oanagers behind them, good luck.

>>2182529
Maybe he should stop raiders from fucking up my eco instead of just half of them.

>>2182371
>give DLC to main team
>it's slop designed by committee
>every choice made with how to maximise pandering for minimum effort
>can't even be bothered to record new voice lines for units

>give DLC to modders and history nerds
>highest form of kino
>very high effort, multiple architecture sets, dozens of new units and god-tier voice acting
the difference giving a shit about your game makes
honestly they could give AoE2 to CaptureAge and just let them make the stuff they want I'd be fine with that

>>2181439
>bit more speed so they can reliably get out in front of the phalangites
>faster attack speed than spearmen
>still do have skirmishers without peltast, even if they're not as good
>seemingly face far more cavalry than archers
>usually have companion cavalry or !paladins anyway to clean up archers
It almost seems like there could be an argument for Rhompaias, if you got them as Elite, which afaik you don't

>>2182642
>they send token rams
Green sends a LOT of siege rams on the first waves, followed by a constant stream of trebs, and capped rams on the last waves
I had castle spam defenses, they all destroyed it and converged on the middle

>>2182703
>phalangites
Are so dogshit that they could be removed.

It's not balanced for ranked, its so dogshit that sprit of the law called them an archers melee unit

Does this DLC gets Ghostmaster seal of approval?

>>2182848
I love that ghostmaster name will forever be remembered until his anons generals can't get along after his death

>>2182894
>Parmenion
Isn't going to betray ghostmaster

>>2182847
Just control them bro
They must not be used as you would pikemen, they need their own meatshield. If you have that they shine. Just like archers.

>>2182847
what the fuck are you retards going on about?
they're great
>cheap and extremely easy to mass
>very few situations where they're not cost effective
>almost immune to all forms of ranged damage, even scorpions pass through the formation harmlessly
>melts enemy cavalry and also beats infantry when in multiple ranks
phalangites shit all over hoplites and immortals, what more do you people want out of them?

>>2182847
A mixed mass of Phalangites and other infantry does punch above its weight. The problems really are
>Militia line equivalent in chronicles has its damage tanked so it sucks
>Only one imp upgrade anyway, which is still weaker than a two-handed swordsman
>Macedon doesn't get paragons anyway
A mixed phallangite/champion mass would be hard to beat in melee if you could do it.

>>2183004
>almost immune to all forms of ranged damage, even scorpions pass through the formation harmlessly
What?
Anon they have zero pierce armor

>>2182702
>Honestly they could give AoE2 to CaptureAge and just let them make the stuff they want.
VGH, we would reach the Golden Age...

>>2182848
I preferred Rise of the Rajas, reminded me of home

>>2183060
there’s an optional tech to give them a missile dodge i think
idk i took the one to reflect melee since i figured that they were mostly dying to melee (i snipe archers with companions/paladins) but i didnt notice it helping much
maybe the other tech was the way to go

>>2183149
The missile shield is really fucking good because it takes like four arrows to start actually doing damage.

>>2183137
Saar!

>>2183060
maybe try playing the fuckinh game instead of just watching youtube
>>2183149
the missile shield you get in halicarnassus is actually inside, castles need to shoot each full health phalangite thrice before they go down it's nuts

>>2183207
*the missile shield is actually insane
I regret mobileposting now

>>2183153
>>2183207
yeah i guess it was foolish of me to go “hmm i dont remember that horsie dodging arrows to be super good, i guess it wouldn’t be super good on infantry either” as though 90% of the campaign isn’t assaulting fortified positions under heavy arrow fire

Any cute Greek girls in the DLC?

>>2183311
Alexander spends most of it having a woman (twink) moment, does that count?

In the opinion of /aoeg/ what civs are top tier in 1v1 right now

>>2183323
georgians

>>2183329
>Byzantines in bottom 5
How? I thought they were good

>>2183323
Franks

>>2183323
Indians

>>2183329
have i mentioned i love lying on the internet?

>>2183311
Greeks don't like girls, unfortunately

>>2183389
imagine the smell of a 500 BC woman

>scouting
>no enemy buildings on minimap
>runs into TC
>TC is only even revealed as first volley hits it
>scout is too far in to dodge the second volley by the time I react and move it away
Is there anything I can realistically do to avoid this? Just constantly hover the scout instead of managing dark age and start being hyper paranoid about anywhere that looks like it could be a player spawn?

>>2183444
if the TC is firing arrows that means it's garrisoned, which means the enemy is literally watching your scout approach the TC and has been for some time

>>2183452
Yeah? Where else are they going to be looking in dark age for long enough to miss a scout?

>>2183458
their own scout

i just realized i didnt post in this thread saying handcannoneers need a buff, whoops!

>>2183554
Play any of the civs that have bonuses for gunpowder units

buffalo need handcannons

Turns out I had to produce less, not more.

Also phalangites are kinda busted.

>>2183617
>Turns out I had to produce less, not more.
what are you talking about

>>2183621
I had too many barracks in my main base which meant production on my allies' bases was smaller than needed. Once I reduced the number of barracks I could keep enough numbers of phals most of the time.

I'm at Tyre
do I pick up the archers or the slingers?

>>2183630
the phalangites really aren't that good, or do yours have that missile shield I hear about that apparently imparts near-invulnerability against ranged?

>>2183617
>phalangites
They still don't beat mass siege onager, every mission is slam onager button for me.

>>2183642
I have played 556 hours of AoE2 and, unless the campaign already gives me one, I have never used onagers

>>2183631
archers

>>2183643
Well. Let me explain how high elo works
>Bombard reply Siege Onager, and Scorps
>Archers reply Siege Onager and Scorps
>Pike reply Siege Onager and Scorps
>Paladin reply Siege Onager and Scorps

You can use mass rams aswell but the siege onagers are what will be doing the killing of buildings mainly rams just speed it up.

>>2183641
>or do yours have that missile shield I hear about that apparently imparts near-invulnerability against ranged?
They do. I also had a party of 25-40 comps up at all times to supplement that.

>>2183646
elo? Yeah I think I've got one of those

needs a gigachad edit with Parmenion as a crying so yjak

>>2183652
>needs a gigachad edit
But anon
There's already a gigachas in your pic

>>2183652
>Parmenion
basedjack
>Alexander
HYPERVIOLENT ULTRA MAX CHAD

>>2183652
what does giving the grain to Parmenion on mission 1 actually do?

>horny overlord on heaven
You'll never have a nickname as cool as this one.

>>2183688
You get a small bonus, I can't remember exactly what

>>2183690
I just kept it for myself gave me more population.

>>2183688
2+ infantry attack

>>2183692
You greedy motherfucker
Give parmenion his trade cart

>>2183554
What is even the point of this unit anyway? Always wondered since playing AoE 2 as a kid. It's anti-infantry, but by the time you reach imperial age infantry is already heavily outclassed by everything else. Considering it's a late game, high cost unit, shouldn't it be much more accurate and move faster?

>>2183696
>but by the time you reach imperial age infantry is already heavily outclassed by everything else.
?????

>>2183712
hello newfriend
that used to be true back in 1999

>finally start playing de this month after playing hd several years ago
>chinese are the most overpowered race with no counter at all
>get rapid fire siege units that delete everything including buildings and are better than mangonels in every way
>there are also 3 new overpowered civs based on chinese mythology (kek wtf)

I'm guessing the majority of this games player base is chinese huh?

>>2183694
>>2183696
Playing as turks, basically just mass hand canonneers wipe out pikes, skims, scouts.

>>2183727
Yeah, Mayan obisdion arrows bad.
Yeah, Chinese firearchers good.

>>2183715
yeah and we're not in 1999 anymore brother

>>2183727
rocket carts are equal to mangonels, noob

>>2183739
the dude did say he was talking about how he felt about the unit as a kid

>>2183745
>he was talking about how he felt about the unit as a kid
ACTUALLY he said he had always wondered since playing as a kid, meaning it has remained a question even until now

>>2183753
ACTUALLY actually the dude's statement implies he's not familiar with the modern state of the game, such as the recent buffs to infantry

>>2183696
the point of the unit is they're cool. now, if they were buffed, that'd be even cooler.

>>2183756
good news! they got buffed recently

Parmenion is dead
Cleitus is dead
Bucephalus is dead

How can we go on?

Perdiccas will you SHUT YOUR TRAP

>>2183765
Ptolomey and Seleucus shall save us
Antigonus Monophthalmus will keep the morale high
Lysander is gonna keep things stable
And most importantly, Perdiccas is still alive and Nearchos will continue sailing

>>2183765
wait till you find out what happens to Perdiccas

>>2183765
hey at least his little boyfriend Hephaestion is still around ;^)

>>2183696
They melt infantry like nothing else, very nice to have against American civs, Goths and Teutons and Japs etc. or just to support your own cavalry against halbs. And if you have a decent bonus for them like Burgs or Hindus they're a beastly general-purpose ranged damage unit too. If you're fast imping or playing Bohemians they wreck pretty much anything you can face too, like castle age knights and mangonels.

The guy spamming about buffs doesn't play the game and has no idea they're a good unit already and borderline broken OP for some of the best ones like Hindu or Italians.

>>2183779
They get stomped by archers

>>2183786
Hindu ones outrange arbs and actually do quite well, but yes for most of them. Doesn't mean it's a bad unit.

>Vivi getting admin re for losing a vil to a boar
>Vivi streamcheating with a phone during a live LAN match
>Hera getting chased by stalkers through the woods
man the chinks really do know how to put on a tourney I give them that

>>2183792
What the heck is "admin re"

>>2183798
tournament admins decide to restart the game, usually happens when map generation is extremely unfair (which the players themselves might not even realize because of fog of war), but not when a player just plays like shit and makes a mistake

>>2183689
>MbL: Dull Dull Slow
>Nicov: First Guy to Resign

>>2183740
they are honestly kind of worse than mangonels past castle age

GOD A after devouring the black duck

ACCM is doing it, infantryfags.

>>2180586 (OP)
Ornlu's playthrough of the Alexander campaign is just awful and people who comment on his videos are retarded because they all jumped blind on Legendary.
I feel like this DLC is gonna end up getting mixed reviews because people just want to boom and steamroll the AI and so far this campaign did nothing but prevent players from doing that since mission 1.
I almost had a stroke when I saw the Thracian mission and the reactions to it.
"Hey this civ gets strong towers, castles and skirmishers, maybe I shouldn't wall at all and keep trying to boom instead of making military even though I'm being raided constantly and I have no walls"
That being said, I do feel that some missions could have the unit spam reduced, like Tyre, fuck that mission.

>>2183939
Tyre is a snowball mission against the player, if you fuck up you'll fuck up more which leads to more fuck ups so you'll be stuck fucking up.

A good initial push makes it way easier.

>>2183939
people can play however they want thoughever

>ACCM vs Hera is now 2.5 hours long
Holy fuck

>>2183331
Their eco is SLOW because no bonuses lol. Having a car tuned for the Wangan is useless if you're driving the C1 with it.

For me, the difficulty peaks at Gaugamela and then trends down after that

>>2183962
Sure, but you can't complain that Legendary doesn't allow you to get away with booming with a minimal investment in defense.
It's quite clear that most missions are more similar to puzzle missions with a gimmick or two, so when you start playing the mission like a MP match and get pressured hard then complain that it doesn't feel like AoE 2 while also complaining that regular build & destroy is boring AI steamroll I seriously have to question wtf you want from a campaign.
I still expect Ornlu to give it a high ranking after replaying it on hard or whatever instead of pushing through 4 missions in one sitting on legendary like a retard, but lower than BfG because he doesn't understand how to play Macedonians or Thracians.

an 18-mission campaign is truly a banquet
to think 6 is the standard

>>2183975
Ornlu is incredibly schizophrenic when it comes to his campaign shit.

You see direct contradictions in his opinions and 'map enjoyment'. He's surprisingly similar to fucking DSP when it comes to map awareness, with comments such as.
>How was I supposed to know?
>What am I supposed to do?

On top of just being fucking blind sometimes.

>didn't get the Indica achievement
what the HELL, I swear I covered the entire map

Sorry guys, I need to tell the truth. After 20+ hours grinding, this DLC is just painful to play. Forcing you to play against multiple AI which has more population cap is a frustrated experience. I mean the enemy has greater army size, advanced technology, and multiple allies. Neither booming or gathering army early will make any difference. I wonder if the develop team played this before they release. Still, much love to this community, but I can feel the game wasn't what we like before.

>>2183982
Hey now anon don't start posting comments from Reddit or steam forums okay.

>>2183986
Thought you could get away with it! Eh! Eh! Haha, you goofball!

>>2183972
cunt was asking for that javelin to the chest if we're being honest

>>2183989
based hera getting drunk at a strip club and making up a story about getting lost in the woods

>>2183963
>four fucking hours

>>2184001
>9pm in China
>Two series still left
Kek if I'm playing after this set I'm pissed.

>>2183939
he has a lot of encyclopedic knowledge about the game so he thinks he's a pro who doesn't ever need any static defenses but he's very mediocre at the game and gets run over by completely preventable shit

>>2183765
Aztec the great will carry you.

>>2183978
saw that when he played map 3 it took him until like the last 10 minutes of his video to see he could go to imperial

>>2183939
>>2183939
Thrace mission you can wall up, despite being raided constantly.

You just house wall and tower yourself, boom and chip away with raiding parties.

This feels like a WC3 style map and was fun.
>https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Right_to_Rule#Objectives
If arthas had remained good but had to rebuild the kingdom during the undead invasion

accm... what could you have done different?

>>2184020
Not losing his relics
Not losing his market

>>2184020
Not play in a LAN. He plays better in online tournaments because he cheats. I'm sick of this faggot drawing out games for so long

>>2184042
and he still wasn't banned for this, only warned
I'd be surprised if any pro participated in chinese events in the future

>>2184049
Tbh it seemed like he did it on pure instinct and didn't really look at it.

Should have still been banned, at least the Chinese admins called him a retarded manchild so that's funny.

>>2184051
>at least the Chinese admins called him a retarded manchild
really?

>>2184061
>"so, here's an explanation of the vivi drama, the screenshot where he had his phone on desk while playing on stage as you may or may not know, one issue about a LAN in China is firewall during the first day, we didn't want players to have VPN on when playing on stage, as that might have an negative effect on the matches (turns out it didn't) so players would carry their phones for draft links or quick communication in case something goes wrong (foreign players have purchase esim which to put simply, makes their phone firewall-less) this is also the first time in many years that we get to host a LAN tournament in China, the lack of experience is showing everywhere, and we were completely focused on issues related to stream, cleanfeed, answering questions, getting assets for people who asked, ordering food for players, getting drivers to venue or hotel, and many other trivia but annoying issues it's definitely an oversight and mistake from our side to let this happen, but we also just couldn't see this man child shit happening at all i remember seeing vivi carrying his phone, reading or interacting with his chat before his first match, since he always does this type of ego searching and he just went up the stage like it's part of his stream and that's basically what happened i just don't know what to say really, after a tiring day, still having extra stuff to do, then just to see this drama, at 1am apologies for being unprofessional i hope everyone can still enjoy the games and rest of tourney "

>>2183992
but was he wrong ?

There's no way Hera got lost in the woods and came out without clothes, right? He's cheating on his wife and lying about it.

>>2184109
he took a bad turn and never recovered

>>2184116
Yeah that's a lie. Fucking kek.

His wife knows he's lying that's why she posted his messages to the public. She wants confirmation. Unfortunately, Redditors are not very smart.

>>2184125
macedonian unit is a bit underpowered, it needs double reach oppose to 1 range, double range would match the spear length and make it a glass canon unit.

I just used this against calavery on arena and the pike formation, people were like huh.. how do you counter macedonian pikes.

>>2184109
I like the bullshit theory that it was a gay guy wanting to suck his cock and somewhere in translation that turned into cannibalism

>>2184083
Yes because he died.

>>2184116
why is this so hilarious?

>>2184049
>50% of winnings docked
That is more than a warning to be fair. He also lost both the game and the set in question so it's hard to care that much.

>>2184083
he acted like a bitch, he died like a bitch

>>2184125
>Those Redditors didn't immediately start fantasizing about cuckholdry?
>Those fucking idiots, heh...

PLEASE I WANT AN ALT HISTORY ALEXANDER THE GREAT.

I JUST WANT TO CONQUEROR INDIA, THEN GO INTO CHINA THEN KOREA, AND MARCH ON JAPAN. each step of the way my generals betray me, it get's harder and harder to win before it's your back up against the wall as the army has mutiny before china.

macedonian phalanx beats everything it's just like the inca phalanx, untill your enemy goes..

HUH. Archers are range unit.
HUH. Siege with splash or pass through.

Macedonians are just better inca really. TFW no slingers my love.

>>2184219
I got to watch in real time someone learn this as they were like wait a minute, I can go around. hmm, perhaps archers. they went with teutonic knights which surprisingly did well against macedonian phalanx however i just shoved myself in a 2x1 hole and had scrops behind me.

VARUS!
GIVE ME BACK MY ICONS!

>>2184241
IF I DON'T SEE MY ICONS NOW, I KNOW WILL GO BAMEY

>>2184219
>HUH. Archers are range unit.
>HUH. Siege with splash or pass through.
*gets the Halicarnassus ranged shield*

>minor objective in mission 1
>5 different ways to complete
why are CaptureAge devs so autistic?
autistic in a good way

>>2184315
Kino flows through their veins

>>2183779
the fact that bohemian players still often choose to go crossbow or spear skirm even when they get hand cannons in castle age with a ut for them is proof of where they really stand.

>>2184116
>it's gna be ok inshallah
I refuse to believe this is a real text.

>>2184241
VAAARUUUUUUUUUS
GIVE ME BACK MY ICONS AND MY WIFE IS YOURS

>>2184338
because chemistry is 500 res and takes ten minutes to research
has nothing to do with how powerful the unit is

>>2184339
I dont understand what he did wrong. He had his phone on the desk? And thats not allowed?

>>2184357
He had a stream open of the game on while he was playing his set I guess.

>>2184361
I see

>>2184352
would arbalest still be good if they doubled the upgrade cost but left the unit stats the same?

>>2184357
yes, its not allowed. He could be streamsniping or communicating with people in chat who could relay info to him.

>>2184364
yes

>>2184216
>they feared the line of alexander had returned to cross the indus
Might not be althist soon.

>name channel after Greek goddess of failed marriages and cuckqueans
>is having gay sex in Chinese forests due to failed marriage, cuckquean wife exposing him
absolute poetry

>participant is found naked in the woods saying he was stalked by a cannibal
i think this is a first in any E-sport tournament lmao , youll have video essays about that shit in a few years

What the fuck is up with Hera, what happened?

>>2184125
>Redditors first impulse isn't to immediately start fantasizing about cucking?
>What fucking retards, heh.
Anon...

>>2184338
>click crossbow 0.4 seconds after hitting castle age, get your existing archers upgraded near instantly
vs
>pull villager, build university, research FUCKING chemistry for twice the resources and twice the time, start massing hand cannons from scratch
Hand cannons are also just not as useful in castle age, especially early castle age; your opponent is way less likely to have much infantry, and you don't have enough other units to shield them effectively

>>2184116
>Its gna be ok inshallah
bro was getting ZUTTED

>>2184528
you don't need units to screen castle age hand cannons they shit on basically everything except mass crossbow. the simple reality is that no matter how strong they are the cost of actually getting to them makes them less viable than alternatives in most situations. the most relevant buff you could give hand cannons is slashing 15-20 seconds from chemistry research.

>>2184542
you mean Hera was getting zutt zutt in the butt??? I say zutt zutt??? In the butt????

Guys, I can't crack above 1100 with my 2v2 buddy. I don't know if its me or him, but if I solo queue I feel like I'm cheating on him.

The mission 17 Incus cruise is easy and simple, but also exceedingly comfy and filled with fun little events

WHERE are the comfy multi-hour scenarios at?

theyre right here

Any campaigns that involve hero units stumbling into cannibalistic tribes and using them to fight his enemies?

>>2184542
>>2184636
what does that mean

>gay sex in a forest before a tournament
Wild

i think he mightve just had to poop really bad then tore off his clothes from how bad his shitting was then he forgot where he was since he was so frantic to run into the woods and shit.

>>2184639
need that polynesian expansion with a magellan campaign

>>2184656
it means he was getting zutted in his asshole by zutts

10% faster working farmers or 10% faster working gold miners?

farmers duh

>>2184656
the prophet PBUH(Pajeets bust upon him) got gangbanged by Indians and they came all over him and his clothes
this is canon in Islam btw

>>2184715
are you sure this isn't a trick?
like I'll build the gardens and then the very next mission I have to mine mountains of gold as my only resources?

>>2184734
>this is canon in Islam btw
Quick google search reveals that this is a mistranslation of an idiom and the text is saying the indians are crowding him, not fucking his asshole.

>>2184748
>Quick google search
That's your problem. Maybe don't use a "quick google search" to try to debunk those who know better than you.

>>2184748
that's a new cope, last one I read was saying it was djinn followed by threats they'd cut my head off

Alexander...my King, what have we become?

>>2184751
All the results I got searching that verse is either redditors making fun of muslims or muslim sites explaining the mistranslation. I'm just curious, I'm not a muslim so I don't really care.
>to try to debunk those who know better than you.
Sorry anon I didn't mean to dispute your expertise in all things butt sex related.

>>2184748
>the text is saying the indians are crowding him
yeah because crowding him means getting in a long line at the airport. Retard

>hmmm, I need to defend this wonder on mission 18?
>that's OK, I have like 4 castles and 200 companions! That's enough to take on anything

ahh I'm so pissed, I'm gonna have to restart this entire last mission
I didn't expect to fight literally 4,000+ enemies

>>2184756
>>2184826
he was gigabased

>>2184593
try out different strats with him until you find something that is fun and wins games.
Have you tried cuman rams and infantry on closed maps? or town center drops + scouts on open maps? Gurjarah elephant rams + unique units?

>>2184593
play 2 bulgarian maa rush

>>2184613
Filthydelphiabros, our time has come

What a fucking bloodbath, 6500 dead it's almost like two missions in one

<= 0.01% of AoE players have finished the Alexander campaign

>>2184916
Yeah that sounds 'bout right
How the fuck did blue lost that many units? Besides the starting town and a few buildings scattered on the mountains he was completely absent from the final push, it was just green on my mission

>>2184924
brother, WHERE are all your castles and resources?

>>2184917
Not buying antiquity shit. Not playing antiquity shit. Medieval game.

>>2184949
then don't have fun
enjoy

>>2184917
I'm still at Halicarnassus you unemployed no relationships having nigger

>>2184961
>unemployed
no
>no relationships
yes :(

I mean shit it came out 10 days ago, that's only 2 missions a day

Aoe2 hit mechanics is delayed hitscan right?

>>2184976
what the hell are you talking about man

>>2184934
I had castles on every cave entrance, 2 or 3 castles with around 20 companions camping the cave and a few outposts.
They all got destroyed by the doomstack of rams and trebs. I spammed companions from 15 castles and phalanguites from 20 barracks. In the end I ran out of resources but still had a huge army.

>>2184982
well that sounds like a much harder method, so it's admirable at least that you still finished the mission

>>2180948
they dont cheat in the same way most RTS game did(i.e artificially buff the unit stats/resource gather rate), you can beat them if you trained consistently enough. The closest thing that come to a "cheat" these AI use is the fact that they can constantly micro their eco and army simultaneously much better than most player could do. But then again they can only see what they see, and they cant split their armies to attack in multiple places, say they got an entire army in your base, and you managed to slip yours into their base to raid, they will stop razing your base and pull back all of their unit to defend rather than keeping up with the tempo to raze your base to nothing(which what most pro players would do in this case).

and the AI military unit got close to zero sense of preservation, you can plop three castles side by side(even as Persians which got medieval CWIS turrets) and they will still send their entire army at it, Extreme noticeably got some reservations, but then again most of the time they still fall into the same trap as the lower difficulty AIs do. Whereas players will actively avoid fighting underneath a castle, especially early on

Can you imagine how much more difficult some campaigns would become if the AI just did the smart thing and walked past castles

>>2184917
I've been taking my time with it because I want to enjoy the missions too not just rush through and get burnt out.
Currently at Hydaspes, tried it for a bit just to see how it plays, I guess the play is to take landing zones 2 by 2, garrison the towers with mercenary archers and defend with Phalangites + Peltasts/ Skirm cav, with maybe forward outposts if they can be built to heal?

>>2185063
Add siege onagers to your bridge push and the mission becomes 100% easier
Put healing outposts for better sustain

>>2185063
>garrison the towers
nah brother, no permanent garrison
you just capture as many zones as possible, and as soon as their fuck-huge death stack rolls in you just withdraw to one of the other 6 zones

>>2185065
>your bridge push
brother he's on the Hydaspes mission, not Tyre

>>2184917
not buying anything until they remove 3 chinkdoms

>>2185072
Chronicles and the mainline expansions are basically in competition with each other, than makes no sense.
Doubly so since there's zero chance they're going to just steal an expansion from people who paid for it.

>>2185075
>in competition with each other
doesn't matter, it's all money that goes to microsoft
>zero chance they're going to just steal an expansion from people
guess they won't ever see money from me again then

>>2185087
Retard

>>2185070
am a little retarded

>>2185105
great argument Cysion, but I'm still not paying for your salary

>>2184979
Arrows, Siege, Melee.

It's game mechanic is delayed hitscan, right?

>>2185129
no

>>2185129
maybe

>>2185129
yes

>>2185129
>>2184976
No.
Melee is direct damage onto target. Projectiles are entities but they generally can't be blocked, only dodged. There's some exceptions, mostly treb/cannon rounds in weird conditions. Also scorpion bolts damaging everything they pass through.

>thread says companions are just worse paladin
>get around to playing campaign, they seem great
Am I missing something? Alexander giving them an attack speed buff and the endless amount of unique units you go up against (hoplites and it seems most non-buildable campaign units) really seems to make up the difference in stats.
The charge tech also feels like it's doing a decent amount, which is strange because it's the same as the Samurai's useless charge from what I can tell. Maybe it's the speed bonus helping your cav surround enemies and get early kills at the start of the fight to snowball, in a way that doesn't really occur with infantry.
Do you just stop running into unique units later in the campaign or something?

>>2185193
They're great in campaign yeah, especially with the trample upgrade and imp age unique tech. From mission 12 onwards my armies were almost exclusively companion cavalry, and that was rarely a bad matchup

>>2185193
Nah it's just people who didn't use them and just compared the stats. I dread to think that people are retarded enough to use paladins against mass hoplites or chariots.

Gonna make this its own post so people can reply and call me a faggot but holy shit I don't think I've ever disagreed more with online discourse as I did with Alexander.
Everyone on every website complains that Macedonians and Thracians are trash, that the AI is too hard because it spams unit constantly etc.
I've only seen Ornlu's playthrough and if everyone is playing like him they're all retarded.
Dude has no walls or defenses, tries to outboom infinite resource AI (in a 1v4 or 1v6 or whatever).
Is everyone just autopiloting through their MP build meta or whatever?
I legit had no issue with most scenarios on hard (Tyre was a pain but I suck on water maps anyway) because I kept building forts in chokepoints or walls to funnel through AI troops, never bothered with more than 2 TCs, kept sending cav on raids to take out weak military production buildings while massing up phalangites and siege then pushed.
>Inb4 turtle bad
Dude, you're outnumbered and outproduced, why the fuck would you think booming or all-in rushes are viable?
The "make 10 barracks and keep spamming units piece by piece like the AI just to hold on a bit longer" bit always kills me.
Just build a fucking wall, get your uni upgrades, make a fort, put skirms inside for cheap damage boost, spears and light cav to snipe siege or in case they have a chance to take the castle down.
If you don't have stone, buy some, it's cheaper than the 3k resources you wasted on armies that lost the war of attrition.

>>2185227
lol fagit

I simply play the game instead of typing angry essays about how people play SP games

>>2185236
straight behavior

Aeropos simps for THIS???

hera the movie

>>2185258
she can hunt my boar anytime... if you know what I mean!

>>2185258
>>2185261
I'd push her deer

I know this is a different Aeropus, but:

>According to Plutarch, Aeropus constructed tables and lamp-stands in his spare time.

>No further details of his reign are recorded

>>2185266
Macedonians were literal whos doing nothing of note up on the hills before Philip decided they should conquer the world
place was seen as a shithole full of yokels who spoke barely understandable greek and married multiple women like barbarians, then every generation engaged in fraticidal civil wars whilst Thracians and Illyrians plundered the countryside

>>2185279
wow we should cancel them

>>2185282
this!
meet me at the Cadmea and we'll show those bastards what's what!

>>2185236
In this case I'm angry because I'm scared poor reviews and/ or sales would kill Chronicles and I won't have any more SP games to play, so I'd end up typing angry essays about how modern gaming sucks or whatever instead.

>>2185319
This but unironically.
It is in your interest to advocate for the things you like.
Pretending you shouldn't because you're too irony poisoned to admit to liking anything is pathetic.

>>2185319
they already fired half the chronicles devs, it's dead jim

>>2185258
>Artemis
mediocre dlesbian

prettiest goddess, coming through

>>2185362
crystal maiden from the hit videogame "dota 2"?

>>2185365
no she's from raid: shadows league of legends

>>2184639
too soon bro, the tournament isnt even over

>>2180586 (OP)
I really did like the purge of Thebes, It's a good mission. Admittly, I realize after culling the cities population that the Dreadlord, i am looking for isn't here.

Whoops. I wish the slingshot cannons were given an introduction like dwarf mortar teams in WC3.

>>2185362
>mediocre
I didn't see a temple of skadi in Ephesus

>>2185328
I know, this is why I'm scared.
Chronicles is the most fun I've had with singleplayer games in a long while.

>>2185420
and I didn't see any temples of Artemis in Uppsala
so I don't get your point

>>2185446
>*googles "how to join isis"*

>>2185447
it's simple, just go to your nearest castle and ask for 65food and 20gold

>>2185072
never going to happen lol

>>2185446
>any temples of Artemis in Uppsala
well one is a wonder of the ancient world and the other is an obscure note on Wikipedia article

>>2185193
>>thread says companions are just worse paladin
It's just 1 idiot that insists upon that topic, the rest of screen posters you see them massing companions too
Mounted samurai with a speed charge to quickly close the distance, on top of splash damage, makes them an extremely nasty unit to use

>>2185412
Arthas wrote this post
Honestly there's some similarity between Arthas and Alexander

>>2185362
>using aislop portrait
Sacrilege.

>Finish the chronicles campaign
>Feel empty inside

Bros..
Alexander...
Had a hard life...

>>2185558
yes i did. thank you for realizing that.

>>2185558
I uh, i forgot how much i loath siege warefare playing that.

City Siege mission, why the fuck does the most useless genera OP image picturel build the siege weapons and why is he so undermanned?

Also all the streamers videos, I'm sure they are playing on easy or something akin to that when playing their games as there's huge differences in enemy numbers.

>>2185588
Pikes in MP are kinda harlious you'll see people freeze up and realize they can't fight it directly.

I remember seeing one delete his army and swap to elusively siege onager and scorp.

>>2185558
Alexander was kind of an idiot, also Hephaiston too
A tactical, military genius, but also an idiot idealist with delusions of ever increasing granderour and glory

>>2185598
In this house, Alexander the great is a hero, end of story!

>>2185558
most of the bad shit that happens in the campaign is his own fault tho

>>2185634
This, if Alexander stopped when conquering Persia AND spared, or jailed Parmenion's son, nothing of that shitstorm would have happened

Every game needs its Shadow the Hedgehog

>>2185715
I look like this and sound like this and act like this

>>2185715
I was glad to learn the Athenians did manage to kill him in the end

>>2185722
in a naval battle if i remember right

>>2185558
life comes at you fast

>>2185724
in a siege, he died trying to storm the walls of Haliartus

>>2185728
these animations are a reaction image goldmine

>>2185732
yup

>>2185745
now it's perfect

Lierrey is going to get all the Chinese pussy while you post shitty Alexander memes.

>>2185792
god he's shredded

>>2185728
I swear CA just had a compendium of wojace to use as reference for Alexander.

>>2185558
I can appreciate Alexander's schizo but to me Pyrrhus would always be the most relatable historical figure.

>>2185715
What's /vst/ favorite Chronicles protagonist?
Mine are Themistocles and Datis but I feel like Brasidus is gonna win.

>>2185885
his campaign was cool, but it would be cool if they revisit his story even if they went with the Roman POV for Chronicles

>>2185891
Perdiccas

>>2185896
Ngl I also like Perdiccas the most out of the Macedonians. Him getting more and more worried at Alexander's delusions but being to uncomfortable to outright confront him is kino because that's exactly what I would do if I were in his...moist boots

>>2185895
Pyrrhus is my favorite campaign right after Sargon

>>2185891
for me it's Aeropos
he's like a likeable Aristagoras, can't help but root for the guy

>>2185899
>spoiler
that's a respectable opinion, Sargon of Akkad is great

Ah man I forgot about Aristagoras
Love that guy

>>2185929
I legit laughed when this happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydh6LI2CQG8

>>2185905
When he showed up again in the Alexandria mission, Perdiccas said out loud what I was already thinking.

>>2185891
simple as that

>>2185831
tf happened to his hairline

>>2186025
he had a son

>>2185885
>looked up what he did after the events covered in his Return of Rome campaign
>dies the single most graceless, brutal death

Fucking hell man.

>>2186112
his death was quite possibly the funniest deaths in history

>be amazing general, bloody Rome's nose
>be forever named after the worst possible kind of victory

>>2186116
>has to put down some shitty dispute somewhere
>old woman throws a tile off the roof
>one version of the events believed his spine broke, which got him paralyzed before getting beheaded

Even Goliath had a more dignified death.

>>2185891
Perdiccas and Themistocles

>>2186121
>city under attack
>son walks away from phalanx buddy to check up on you
>even in the middle of war didn't forget his old momma, he's such a good boy :)
>some asshole in golden armour sees him alone, bellows out a war cry and charged
>oh no, my baby!
>chuck first object I can reach in his general direction
>rooftile guided by Apollo himself
>shatters his fucking spine
>some random guy walks up to his twisting body and lops off his head
>mfw it was the enemy king
>mfw I won the war somehow
>mfw my precious boy is safe :)
can you blame her?

>>2186119
>>be amazing general
doesn't matter if you're a shit king who can't turn battlefield victories into political/strategic victories, what does it matter if you bloody Rome's nose if you leave to go adventuring in Sicily while they send more legions to retake everything they lost
Pyrrhus constantly kept snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

>>2186143
>Pyrrhus constantly kept snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
It was more like he was getting himself into situations he could have never possibly won, and also abandoning them as soon as it starts to go bad. Both the Romans and Carthaginians were superpowers at the time with greater power than any of the Hellenistic kingdoms. He traded blows more or less with Rome, which was unsustainable because the Roman Republic in land alone was like 4x larger than Epirus and they had far higher rates of mobilisation, the same with Carthage. His most realistic goals were for Macedon and Greece.

You guys told me AI doesn't cheat.
>play islands, extreme difficulty
>build a dock anywhere
>within seconds a fleet of caravels/bombards comes and destroys it
>doesn't matter where I build it
>try another game with cheats enabled
>turn off fog of war
>I build in the center of an island where no boats can reach to hit me
>there is 100% no change the AI could know I am there
>ships come up the edge of the island and bug out like they're trying to hit my villagers even though they shouldn't know they're there
>finally advance to imperial age and build a dock
>suddenly every enemy ship trying to kill my toons goes all the way around the island and starts hitting the dock
>this happens literally every time I build one, I can sneak a villager to a different empty island with a boat and build one, they still instantly go for it

>>2186223
this was all happening before I turned off fog of war too btw, doing that and seeing it for myself just confirmed by suspicions

>>2186223
I'd be highly surprised if the AI wasn't cheating with scouting, but that is a literal necessity. Any AI does terribly with hidden information in a strategy game. This is not really a fixable issue on a technological level for any complex strategy game.
When people say it doesn't cheat, they're talking about resources and production, which is the primary annoying way that AI cheats in most games.
>>2186224
Turning off fog of war is mutual, so that doesn't confirm anything.

>Alexander got fucked by an arrow just like his idol Achilles
>Jan Zizka got his last good eye fucked by an arrow
>Joan of Arc got fucked by an arrow, twice
>Harold Godwinson and Richard the Lionheart died by an arrow
Bros why are archers so vile...

>>2186255
Alexander died from Malaria bro

>>2186256
He still got fucked like Achilles, though. Is a miracle he survived it.

>>2186255
when there are 500,000 arrows flying around in a battle, someone's gonna get hit

>>2186255
AoE 2 is the very game to teach you that lesson.

>>2186255
Plutarch says something like the best generals in history are those with only one eye, like Hannibal, Philip and Antigonus

Grand Finals starting for chink tournament. You already know who got in.

>>2186349
Larry will win this time

>>2186361
big if true

I hate Hera so much it's unreal

>>2186367
Everyone does.

>Can't spam FU Hussar
>Lose
Many such cases.

ACCM's 3 hour game made sense. Dragging this out doesn't.

I was about to buy the Alexander DLC but I just discovered Steam requires a phone number at checkout now, so I'll have to pass.

>>2180586 (OP)
Who decided every mission requires cities to have https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Fortified_Tower

I hate theses things, not to mention limited gold options and sometimes no market access in Alexander campaign.

>>2180586 (OP)
Hoplite and Phalangite. I would prefer to have access to both from the barracks.

Hoplite being heavier pole infantry but shorter reach 0.5 and expensive, Phalangite being lighter infantry with long reach 2 but minimum range requirement and cheaper.

Then you could use your Champions, and Pikemen and Eagles.
>>2180586 (OP)
I would prefer to get access to slingers and hand canonner with slingers being a cheaper alternative for spamming and more about mass while hand canonneer is about quality.

Obviously you would get access to archers, skirmishers and cavalry archers.

>>2186436
I don't understand this post
the towers are an excellent building, significantly boost your military capabilities especially with the healing aura
you can get hoplites if you don't kill them at Granicus
you can get slingers when you get to Tyre
you already have access to archers, skirmishers and cavalry archers plus you can potentially acquire peltasts, mounted skirmishers, cretan archers and pattiyodha longbowmen

>>2186128
I will marry luna myosotis one day.

>>2186447
I already have them, it's just Fortified Tower are like something in the base game and dlc that players don't have access to and i am not talking about outposts.

>>2186461
why does the clothing have bondage part of it. also she has an only fans for 5 dollars you can see behind the curtains or just google it and get it free.. like everyone else.

>>2186427
You already give out your credit card details you nonce

>>2186461
understandable

>>2186477
Looks like they're not satisfied with that

https://youtu.be/aKkE5IruO-Q
SOTL KINO ALERT

>>2186486
you can't fix water maps
ships will always be boring, no strategy game has ever made naval combat feel as interesting as the land battles

not even chinese wood-men could stop him

Hera plays like 12 hours a day, no one can beat that, Viper has a son and wife

>>2186500
Chronicles actually has pretty good water play.

Your enemy can't spam docks has to make tactical choices to make shipyard or port.

Played it in diplomacy game today. Spanish gallery and Chinese fire ship couldn't beat my ram ships till they made demo ships

Aura shit on leviathan is crap but like ignoring that shit, its pretty good

>get to the lategame in a winning position
>lose because it's the fifth game in a row and I'm completely out of stamina and can't play anymore
talk about skill issue

>>2186436
Oh. Yeah, I kinda wish there were axemen and throwing axemen terrible at fighting paladin but able to counter champion and dies to pike but separate units. Unsure what the throwing would counter unless its just a range melee unit like wc3

Ive lost interest in watching tournaments. Didnt even watch today's games. Already know Hera will win.

>>2186619
Hera has killed the competitive scene. KOTD will probably have terrible viewership for Memb.

>>2186619
>>2186623
AoE4 still has gripping tournaments, lots of upsets and surprises every series plus sometimes players get mad at each other and it's funny to see them seethe

>>2186655
Yeah but it's AoE4 so I don't care.

>>2186436
Are you schizophrenic

>>2186367
muslim man who has gay sex in the forest Hera or age of mythology Hera?
I hate both

>>2186660
all age games are fun to watch imo

Can I get a run down why he killed the competition scene?

>>2187125
Wins every tournament.
Note: the competitive scene has grown massively during this period

>>2187155
>Note: the competitive scene has grown massively
Looks like the same names for the past 5 years to me, or are we talking about the brilliant addition of T90s shit and shitter league?

>>2187166
overall prize money and coverage for the scene

Heard it here first.
VAMOS ARGENTINA

I just love these two
such a nice break from mr. god complex

>>2187189
the whole mission is a nice little cruise

>>2187194
>>2187194
>>2187194
>>2187194
>>2187194

>>2187183
Hera es un gil y un pelotudo