Thread 2218530

DAY V

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3450310/Europa_Universalis_V/

>>2218530 (OP)
First for Kyiv

Big bank, huh?

I love having fun

how do you play a tribe with 2000 total people in it
you'll have like 5000 people by the time europeans arrive
like, what the fuck do you even do?

kill lambert

>>2218540
The native american tribes have pretty massive early game population growth modifiers and a lot of the surrounding territory is relatively low pop and easy to colonize
If you focus on food RGOs you can grow pretty explosively in the first 100 or so years

>>2218537
Who you playing as?
Also how do you see non-land based countries when starting a new game?

Lets face it, the god-awful AI in this game makes it unfun. Colonialisation is fun. It was only fun when it was new.

>>2218540
you embrace other cultures and colonize their land
i've started as 30k, now im 500k in 1490

>>2218543
>easy to colonize
>lack tools because lack of stone
>lack of stone because lack of tools
I couldn't colonise anything as a maya

i'm holding out against playing this for maybe 2 years
hopefully eu5 won't be radically different due to a sudden change of heart in the dev team, like the game becoming more eu4-ish due to eu4 fags complaining

I don't understand building for colonies, are the buildings I construct in them mine or theirs? I am trying to build a scriptorium in one of my colonies, but it doesn't let me too and says "There is no need to build a scriptorium when we can build a printer shop", yet I don't have printer shop researched. I am assuming the colony does, so if the building is ultimately theirs why can't I build it?

>>2218540
It's not supposed to be easy or even viable. I'd imagine you need to expand as much as possible while you still can, then after you get raped by plague try and hold off long enough to make some kind of recovery.

>>2218544
The Bank of Bardi!
>how do you see non-land based countries when starting a new game
You go into the country selection map, there is a country selection menu in the top right.
There you can filter by Country Type.

>>2218550
Johan made both EU4 and EU5 so I'm hoping his autism will leave him determined to keep them very different games.

God, I love the long columns of soldiers marching

>>2218540
those countries only exist to provide obstacles for the colonizing europeans
the only reason they're playable is that it's tradition for every country in EU games to be playable, including all the pathetic weaklings that aren't fun to play

>>2218549
skill issue
just stick to europe and automate everything and then say that the game is boring

dammit

>>2218559
And that's a good thing, because otherwise we wouldn't get stuff like an Xhosa WC in EU2.

>>2218540
>WHY CANT I WORLD CONQUEST AS A TRIBE OF 2000 PEOPLE????
fuckin eu4babs I swear

Why can't I see all of my owned provinces in the RGO builder screen? It says it doesn't match the search criteria, but there is no search criteria.

Noble levies or peasant levies?

>>2218565
you can
ie i can
you cant because you dont understand shit about how the game works

>>2218552
I think most of the landed shitholes only exist because people suggested them in the map feedback. It is obvious that these countries would need a different system that makes more sense for them. It is the reason society of pops aren't playable. Something like Yap is obviously featured as a joke. That being said, they can still be quite fun to attempt in the current state.

>>2218550
>>2218555
>As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a risk EU4-ification rescinds!
Clearly Johan needs your premium edition money or else the bigwigs in swede are going to ruin his vision

>>2218570
so do it then and post map

>>2218568
I haven't checked the stats but I'm pretty sure the nobles show up as mounted knights. Nobles are niggers though and I don't feel too comfortable having a lot of them.

Taken from a timelapse Lolbert posted today. First time I've seen Timmy get so big. It spends the rest of the timelapse colonizing Siberia, though the big pink vassal manages to break free

>Cyprus becoming French, Rhodes soon to follow
>Crete already Italian
Culture conversion can be silly sometimes.

>>2218549
As a mexican you have to rush the iron/tin in north mexico as an absolute first priority
You aren't supposed to be able to mine it without the tech but you get a free RGO level for free because the game is coded by monkeys
Even if they patch it, the two iron RGOs are right next to the only tin RGO on the north continent.

If you do that early, it completely solves your tool/weapon shortages in all mexican markets

>>2218550
>like the game becoming more eu4-ish due to eu4 fags complaining
At the end of the day the game currently exists as it is. Even if they fuck it up somehow, modders can save it. That's basically impossible for EU IV because of the core game systems. I liked MEIOU more than base EUIV but it felt fucked up to play and was obviously grafted onto a game that wasn't designed for any depth.

>>2218580
stop spilling the beans or they will nerf pop transfer

>>2218568
Depends, if you don't have any regulars you'll want the noble levies to win battles since that's all your heavy cavalry.
If you have decent regulars then noble levies become worthless, they're too small and odd in number to compete with professionals.

Peasant levies are basically fodder to fill gaps in the line or do suicide assaults on forts. They're 100% critical early in the game, but once you have a professional army of like 60 regiments, you'll probably only need levies in big deathwars. So you can reduce those too later

But overall peasant levies are better because there's a FUCKLOAD of peasants. "+10% Noble Levies" might be like 200 guys while "+10% Peasant Levies" is 20,000 men, that's a whole extra army stack.

>>2218574
my money/vote won't make a difference either way in what direction the game's dlc development and updates go
with that said, i only pirate games
all funds go to upgading my pc for this unoptimized game

I still have zero idea what the fuck I'm doing most of the time and I'm 20 hours in.

Realistically when is the earliest you can discover and colonize the new world?

>>2218578
As a chinaboo I fucking hate everything I've seen over there so far. Was it really so hard to just railroad Ming?

REMINDER THAT THIS IS WHAT EU4BABS THINK OF THE GAME

>>2218580
>As a mexican you have to rush the iron/tin in north mexico as an absolute first priority
didn't they have no idea how to smelt ore and the only metals they worked were copper, silver, and gold

what country has the best research?
is it just florence?

>>2218587
i dont know how european tech trees look, do they not have explorers in the first age? the expedition is only 100 gold and 250 sailors

>>2218567
Top left
>Genova market
Occasionally that thing will switch to "all markets" and let you see everywhere, but I have no idea what causes that. You can control which market you're seeing via the arrows to the right of it.

>>2218591
pretty much. if you go historical institutions then renaissance and banking both spawn in italy

>>2218587
>I still have zero idea what the fuck I'm doing most of the time and I'm 20 hours in.
>other people complaining about many hours spent in only the first 100 years
i hope this won't end up feeling like terra invicta

>>2218590
I think they could and did make bronze in very small quantities but they didn't use it for weapons. They could not smelt iron though.

>>2218589
>not a single valid criticism like the UI or AI
>screeching about no instant gratification mana
I kneel, Johan.

>>2218590
i mean the process is basically the same
just need a better forge
would figure it out eventually

Have they adressed the bug where a custom vasal released from a conquered province doesnt pay you at all?

>>2218589
>mana and mission pissbabies filtered
my knees hurt so much from kneeling

>>2218596
>I think they could and did make bronze in very small quantities but they didn't use it for weapons.
really? was it just for jewellery?
seems odd to figure out how to make bronze and never think to use it for weapons

>form PU with Ansbach
>We will now protect each other when attacked
Ok, good luck with that

Is Navarre even possible? Will I be able to get a port and colonize? Should I just try to ally Castille and France and blob into Aragon since they always seem to collapse?

>>2218589
What a retard

>>2218605
>playing meme countries

>>2218590
Yes, and that's modeled in game by a metalworking tech gated behind feudalism IIRC which stops you from mining iron and lead but not copper, tin, silver and gold.
It functions correctly for the north american natives where some start without metalworking and using colonial frontiers they start at level 0 iron RGOs as they should. Cahokia for example has good access to copper but is completely fucked with 0 access to tin, so basically has to rely on pueblo/the aztecs to fix their market for them AND start trading critical bottleneck resources north (lol

>>2218554
>You go into the country selection map, there is a country selection menu in the top right.
Ah cool. Thanks anon

>>2218595
nah, ive tried terra invicta 3 times and this is so much better, you have many gameplay elements, not just send agents, buy orgs, move gdp sliders
the biggest problem of terra invicta is that its turn based, and if a turn base isnt engaging like civ you have no reason to press next turn

Anyone played Timmy? Post results.

>>2218599
copper, silver, and gold are found in "native" form meaning it's pretty much just a hunk of nearly-pure metal in the ground
you can work this with a hammer and a fire, i don't think you even need the fire to be especially hot

smelting iron ore is a lot more complex, which is why not every culture figured it out

>>2218591
There's little difference in research between countries within western european markets, because institutions spread quickly through trade. So even if institutions spawn in Italy or Germany you just trade with that market and get them in your own market ez.

The real way to speed up research is massively spamming literacy/clergy buildings, which means spamming books which means spamming paper which means spamming lumber, and all that costs money. So tldr rich country = better research.

>>2218589
the "does not meet requirements" bullshit is a completely valid criticism. That genuinely took me like 5 hours to realise I could mouse over it to understand what I was missing

>>2218603
>really? was it just for jewellery?
pretty much
>seems odd to figure out how to make bronze and never think to use it for weapons
the romans had a proto-steam engine but never did anything with it

>>2218614
what continent is that in?

>>2218619
That's been a feature in every paradox game released in the last 10 years. Isn't there a tutorial or something?

quickly learning that republics aren't as broken in eu5 as they were in 4. florence is a tough start

>>2218589
>There needs to be INSTANT FEEDBACK ON YOUR ACTIONS
>I only played for 2 hours
Holy fuck peak Dunning Kruger.
>Game is too complex
>but Automation makes it too simple
pic rel

>>2218612
I love TI but it's a slog and a lot of micromanaging. Before you can fleets that can take on the ayys you basically just have to let your bases get destroyed and keep rebuilding them.

Today I will remind them.

>>2218589
>If the result of their action is only going to be apparent 30 minutes after they've taken the action, the players will not remember what they did to cause that
Baffling statement desu, are they genuinely brain damaged?

>>2218625
I haven't played a republic yet, still on my first game as France, but I noticed Pisa elected (invited?) a 100/92/98 gigachad Valois guy from my dynasty to be ruler there, is there any way I can take advantage of that as France? They won't accept vassalization or anything so I guess it's just a neat coincidence

>>2218615
copper, silver, and gold are 1000C
iron is 1500C, you need to figure out fuel source and ceramics so that you forge wouldnt blow up.
smashing a lot of bog iron with a hammer to get grains isnt very complex

Do pops only promote if there's a demand for them? I want to be expanding my gold mines, but there's no laborers to work there, and it'll take forever for enough peasants to promote.

>>2218631
He unironically wants "Press X to Johan"

Can i get a quick yes and no answer for these countries if they're noob friendly or not. I finally have time to play but im not sure who to start with.
England
Muscovy
Castile
Brandenburg
Florence
Tunis

>>2218588
They need to add a situation like Rise of the Turks but for Chinese states, something so Han pops know they have to restore the Middle Kingdom instead of splintering into nothing

>>2218635
There's no unemployment benefits mate.

Trade makes no sense
>I have 50 trade capacity
>I want to import slaves (1 trade capacity)
>I should be able to get slaves * distance amount
>Tooltip says "wanted to get 30 slaves but actually got 2.5"
TELL ME WHY MOTHERFUCKER
>all trade capacity is wasted even if you can't get the good
>the useless UI telling you which goods are profitable makes no mention of the fact YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANY
>even the automated trades gets confused and constantly makes and cancels impossible trades

>>2218639
yes

>>2218624
If you're talking about vic3 and ck3 in particular I don't play them because they're fucking dogshit, but as far as I'm aware the missing requirements are also always visible at the first layer of nesting because the UI wasn't designed by hellen keller

>>2218635
Pops only promote if there's a role to fill. Not necessarily employment, there's modifiers that add e.g. "+10% possible clergy in province" which just opens up more clergymen slots, but yeah for laborers I think you have to build it, then they will come.

Pop promotion speed is insanely important in this game, literacy impacts promotion speed

>random germnigger tags have more content than Burgundy
what is this shit?

>>2218635
I think they create a small buffer of like 200 labourers by default but yeah they mostly only do it when there's an open spot.
Promotion is modified by control so if you're doing in the middle of nowhere maybe drop in a bailiff somewhere

>>2218625
they kinda suck, Milan has dynastic succession so you get the worst of both a republic and a monarchy.

>Magyar Turks become Christian
Based!
>Ottoman Turks become Christian
Cringe!
Why are chuds like this?

>>2218555
I think they said the only reason the game is "EU5" is brand recognition?

>>2218589
Institution should be at the province level tbdesu.
You're in an isolated location and the countries with institutions don't have their capital in a market centre you basically just get stuck waiting for institution spread forever

>>2218643
If a minmax autist like Florry is skipping messing with trade then you know something about it isnt working right.

>>2218652
trying to bait again i see

>>2218641
They have one, the red turban rebellion
I played as Ming and was able to annex ALL OF YUAN in one war because the red turban CB is broken. They also get a decision in their situation to core an entire region

get better material

i got france completely beat up but my great power score isn't high enough to claim his throne.... i guess i'll have to finish him off in another 5 years

>>2218643
Either you've absolutely shagged your trade efficiency, you're getting cucked by the venetian bvlls who have more trade dominance (and therefore trade priority) over you in the upstream market or some mix of both

>Ottomans conquer Constantinople
>the Patriarchate dissolves and every single Orthodox country gets its own autocephalous church
huehuehue

>>2218643
>Tooltip says "wanted to get 30 slaves but actually got 2.5"
>TELL ME WHY MOTHERFUCKER
Ready?
You have low Trade Advantage compared to others buying Slaves in that market.

>>2218663
Key'v

This game is so boring, I clicked automate on everything and it literally plays itself.
I am going back to EU4 and spending 50 diplomana points to annex half of Europa..

>I want to be elected leader so I can invite the surviving cantons into the confederation since the AI leader doesn't
>election still held trough lottery
>4 current members, so I have an 1/4 chance
>it's been decades and everyone but me got elected(multiple times!)

What are the odds? Fuck my shit up

Is EU4 or EU5 more white coded?

>>2218641
The situations they have WOULD work fine, if they were more tuned for aggression. I noticed the Ottomans still hadn't finished eating the beyliks in like 1500, I tagged over and noticed the button in the situation that gives them claims would cost them 3,000 ducats to use. So of course they never use it, because the AI doesn't float that much money (which is a good thing but cucks the situation)
It should just be fucking free, or maybe have it cause antagonism or cause an trust hit idk.

Same for Italian Wars, as France I had to pay 3k to use the CB button. Instead I just didn't use it. No CB was cheaper. Hell even trucebreaking would've been cheaper if I was low on time. I'd rather build 27 printing presses with that money instead of burning it, thanks.

They need to eradicate this scaling cost shit from the game ASAP, it was shit in EU4 but in this game it's straight up broken. Because not all costs scale now.
Like for example I got a "nobles demand pensions" event asking for 3100 ducats. My bank was 1,200 ducats. My loan size (scaling) is over 1000 ducats, but the money the estates have available to lend (not scaling) is only 800 ducats. So I can't even take a single loan.
In other words, the nobles demanded I go bankrupt instantly.
So of course I clicked the other button.

TOTAL SCALING COST DEATH

>>2218670
>This game is so boring, I clicked automate on everything and it literally plays itself.
I almost replied seriously then I saw the second half of the post, you got me.

>claim throne casus belli on mamluks
do i listen to the voices?
im on ironman mode

Does anybody know what the fuck "from events" means in pop satisfaction window and why isn't it ticking the fuck down? I have multiple provinces with the same -70 to MINUS HUNDRED satisfaction which doesn't go away.

How many cities do you guys found?
Do you do it by province (1 or 2 per province) or based on RGOs? Or is there some other strategy?

>>2218677
You can dec for the throne but peace out for loadsamoney.

>Click on Random Country
>Play
Yup, kino time.

>>2218656
The only problem with trade is micromanaging it. Its just tedious. You can absolutely game it to decrease prices on relevant goods but its a complete time sink otherwise.
The best goods to micromanage are the goods used for buildings because it gives you building cost reduction in the market youre building in.
If you are microing your trade strictly for profit you will be bored and nothing will make sense because microing trade is not about profit its about getting the materials you want for the stuff that requires it.

>>2218674
EU4 has natives completely destroy the colonizers, meanwhile EU5's natives are completely raped because they can't smelt iron.

>they went back to forcing ironman to get cheevos after not in vicIII

why?

>>2218680
>Decide to constantly shit all over your people in decisions
>Why am I getting consequences from my actions?

>>2218681
I think the strat is to not found cities on high value RGOs so you don't lose laborers

>>2218643
You do realize every good has a transport cost? Stone for example has 5 costs, so to import one stone you need 5 trade capacity.

>>2218687
Because Johan is based and wants people to not cheat for ironman.

>>2218674
EU5 doesn't have 100k troop count federations owning the entire new world with megalopolis level development in their capitals

>>2218680
>Does anybody know what the fuck "from events" means
No.
Nobody knows, I'm not even sure Paradox knows.
Someone should make a mod that re-localizes that text as "From Pleb Bullshit", it'd be funnier and make more sense.

best way of building roads? just discovered modern and it's not building automagically...
do I just build from capital and spam click provinces?

>>2218633
i'm not a metalsmith so maybe i'm way off here but i don't think you actually need to melt gold to beat it into jewellery

>>2218647
The Burgundy in the game isn't EU4 Burgundy

>>2218689
>>2218689
>Decide to constantly shit all over your people in decisions
I haven't seen a negative happiness event for multiple years and event then i don't pick the bad option cuz roleplay. It's just permanently stuck since the start of the game but it keeps getting bigger

>>2218668
I suspected it's something like that but I want to see actual numbers in game and the multiple trade tabs tell me nothing
What's more, this happens even when the importing market has a full stockpile. Why can't I buy from it?
>>2218691
Yes, I used slaves because they have 1 cost so it's simpler to think about

>>2218680
Didn't someone say there's subtle trolling by Paradox if you pirated?

>>2218554
>Peruzzi have way better coa
>start with a completely random generated goober ruler so obviously I can't play them
Pain

>>2218665
How did you get the map to show the road network?

>random african tags have more content than the Khmer Empire
really Johan?

>>2218674
EU5 rightly identifies that native america + africa was an anarchic shithole with spearchuckers while EU4 allows you to make wakanda and larp as montezuma while building the worlds biggest gold mines.

>>2218698
Meanwhile me, glorious people's emperor of HRE
>All base estate satisfaction 90% minimum
>Commoner satisfaction minimum is 110%
Just be a better man, anon

>>2218706
there's a map mode at the bottom for roads

>>2218696
I think the Muisca or some such used organic acid to gold plate with silly thin layer. Drove Spaniards crazy.

do all my village buildings just disappear no refunds if i upgrade a tile in to a town?

>>2218695
It's usually best to build from the province with highest control to adjacent province with highest control, that way their control spreads further. Then repeat until you can't spread proximity any more, at which point you build bailiffs.
I think the button at the top of the road building screen automatically does this.

The exception is when proximity is already spreading better by sea and building the road wouldn't do anything to help proximity.

So yeah rule of thumb would be draw a line from your capital through your high control provinces. Usually that's downstream on a river. Like if your capital is Torino you build to the southeast first, if your capital is Paris you go southwest first.

>>2218708
you forgot that the final dlc for eu4 lets natives become high american, the group with the highest pip stats in the game and one that was previously only reserved for ck2 converter games that had the meme aztec invasion on

>>2218706
Easiest way to check for map modes is just press M and search by terms like "road" "market" "maritime" "proximity"

>Have 800 ducats, +90 a month
>Month tick
>No ducats
>Look at Outliner
>Building 30 brazillian RGOs
PSA to turn off "Automate RGOs" when you finally get a decent stream of income.

>>2218681
You do it by pop in provinces with shit RGOs, ideally near your capital where you can max control and get the most value from buildings

Is slavery good in this game? I enjoy doing this.

>>2218665
>8th Phase
>french capital relocated to tolouse
holy based

>>2218685
>>2218693
>>2218708
>>2218720
So EU4 is historical whereas EU5 is whiteoid larp then?
I guess I'll buy EU4 then.

>>2218729
Yes that's correct, please do that and stop talking about EUV.

>>2218727
New world slavery feels pretty buggy, but some countries can capture slaves with sieges and that works pretty well

>>2218727
>Is slavery good in this game
yes, you just steal another country's population and force them to work

>>2218727
Slavery is extremely strong, and gives the nations that have access to it in the early game an incredible boost to their economies.
Unrestricted slavery is monstrously OP for the handful of places that have it.

>>2218729
dont worry, they will sell you a "fix" later

Has anyone managed to play Habsburgs and get Bohemia + Hungary without conquest (claim throne aside)?

>>2218729
It's spelled wh*Teoid, retard

>>2218729
>Spend bird mana to world conquest with no thought involved
Nothing personnel chuds

>>2218719
right, didn't see the upgrade road button... still like 400 click and 300k ducats to get it done or some shit

>>2218729
I forgot to mention that I'm trans

>>2218739
You can hold Ctrl to build 5 times or Shift to build as many as you can afford (also works on building buttons)

Estates aren’t complex enough.
They’re always just reacting to the last thing you did.
Piss off your nobles too much? Click buttons to satisfy them. Oops that was one too many let’s click a satisfy peasants button or two to even it out.
The only dynamic thing that affects their attitude toward you is the tax rate. They aren’t keeping a history of all the great / terrible shit you did and weighing it against what you’re currently doing.

>>2218739
It's almost like extensive paved roads were exclusively the domain of superior empires (rome) and modern nations (Hitlers Germany and USA)

>>2218723
I dont think automated RGOs are ever worth having on. Earlygame you want to mainly be building specific RGOs that your market needs or RGOs in high control provinces

How do I get a neighbour to unrival me? I maxed out opinion with them and even tried defensive league but they just cancel it right away cuz rival.
I'm Castile and I want to diplo vassal Navarre. I just want to see at this point if it's even possible to get a neighbour to unrival.

>>2218745
>They aren’t keeping a history of all the great / terrible shit you did and weighing it against what you’re currently doing.
Their current satisfaction is essentially that? Its just it gradually moves towards an equilibrium as they forgive and forget

>>2218747
Its nice if you are a total pleb like me. It was the only thing I had on other than automate production methods.

>>2218742
oh derp
>>2218746
I have nothing better to spend the dosh on

What do camp followers do?
I only got them because AI also has them
Should I get the supply carts to upgrade them?

Also can you guys tell if I can beat this Egypt or not? t. Karamanids
>we have about the same tax base
>they have like 10% bigger regular army but their levies are probably about double of mine including the vassals
>They have complete naval dominance
any tips?

>Lithuania broke up in a civil war
>Two independent Romuva countries emerged
Mid size AI keeps shitting themselves constantly. Small ones are too small to have proper rebellions due to insufficient levy sizes and the large ones stomp them

>>2218756
they bring along more food for your army

>>2218741
Thanks for sharing but that doesn't change what I wrote

>>2218756
Food supply, hover over the unity and you can see how much each unity type can bring
>have base 0.something food capacity
>go deep into enemy territory
>starve
>have supply cart
>go deep into enemy territory
>don't starve

>>2218537
clicking automate is a massive noob trap.
because just having it at 55% for commoners gives about 10% reduction in cost for stability.
burgers get 10% trade advantage and u can get -.10 prestige reduction from nobles.
at the small cost of like .1 more gold

Threadly reminder to garrison forts you take from AI manually or enable the automatic option bottom left. Yes it takes away troops, but otherwise the AI will siege back everything instantly.

1 wife gave birth to 11 of my kids

Can the ottomans conquer the mamluks in a single war? Otherwise it's dogshit.

>>2218771
>you cant do that with levies

>>2218772
Not that weird

Found a hidden map mode in the settings.
You've heard of Army Based Countries well apparently Navy Based Countries also exist.

>>2218681
post tits or gtfo

>>2218772
How to get to this window?

>>2218773
the ottomans in this game
>convert to christianity
>move capital to random island
>have 0 control over everything else
>kill yourself

>>2218781
hover over your king

>>2218778
Yarrr har-har.

>>2218778
Is there one for just Based Countries?
As in all the countries who say nigger and don’t let men play women’s sports?

>>2218778
pirate nations

>>2218768
>clicking automate is a massive noob trap.
I only have it on for trading, everything else is retarded.
I don't trust the AI to not understand that -20 estate satisfaction for 0.2 ducats is not worth it.

>>2218786
you just had to bring up trans people out of nowhere
obsessed with us kek

i wonder if i can make my fish villages profitable if i remove all fishing rgos, that is how it works right?

>>2218784
I see it doesn't show mistresses.
How do you get more mistress in catholic countries?

>>2218756
They hold food.
I think the supply units are very niche. The way you're supposed to use them is create a whole unit of supply regiments, then use them to build a food depot, and cart food from a province with food access and deposit it into the depot. If you attach supply units to an actual fighting army instead 1. it takes up frontage uselessly and 2. it barely holds any food compared to how much the army eats.

But most of the time you'll have food access anyway. so I don't see how it's useful. Maybe you need it more for very distant wars. Or weird strats in MP where you invade from an undefended angle, or have to support 999999 troops on one province to hold a line but can't let them starve.

>>2218557
this excites me for HOI5
id love to zoom in and see 100s of tiny dudes in trenches
>>2218563
how do i see the great power tab
>>2218643
trade UI is god awful why the fuck cant it auto balance just what i need
manual trade is hell and automated just waste my entire capacity on furs from russia

>>2218766
I feel like they need a little more "umph". If I'm winning the war, I just cap the non fort areas and they usually provide enough food to keep my army fed anyways. So the soldiers are better used on more heavy cavalry in my experience

>>2218468
What the fuck

>>2218773
The Ottomans can easily conquer all of the levant in one war because Mamluks always have dogshit control outside Egypt and that makes the warscore cost almost free. (also make crusades easy)

The problem is they never declare that war because Egypt has fifteen trillion pops and good control and the Mamluks are rich and powerful from 1337 to 1836

>>2218786
Nogai is the country

>The Byzantines are in a civil war let's attack NOW! event
>Okay
>War immediately starts
>Not allowed to siege or even enter territory held by the noble rebels
>Can't declare on the rebels
>All I can do is ship my army around sieging small chunks of land that the Byzantine crown hold
What am I supposed to do?

>>2218802
Suffer.

>>2218798
You should've changed the game rule around institutions if you wanted to prevent this. Technically it is accurate in a way though because the printing press is something Asians had for like centuries. There really should be some more regional institutions that maybe even don't spread outside their continent.

>>2218802
Let them fight and sweep up the remains of whoever wins

>>2218790
seeeeems to be slowly improving
im an economic genius

>>2218802
They need to figure out a way for parties in civil wars to mutually fight against external enemies. Like if you declared on Byzantium you'd also be at war with the nobles, and if you and them all entered a province it'd be a battle between them and you, and if they won they'd start fighting each other.

>>2218786
>>2218801
I heard Kazakhstan is nice this time of year.

>>2218802
I really don't understand why they prevent this. It is like what Vic3 does. Is there a historical precedent of nations avoiding war with enemies in civil war? You absolutely should be able to sweep in and take revolting land even at the risk of war with the other country.

>>2218802
>It's Romaiover

DO VILLAGE BUILDINGS GET DESTROYED WHEN YOU UPGRADE IN TO A TOWN?

>>2218797
They're cheap, small, and don't consume too much manpower since they stand in the backlines, I usually find it worth it to sacrifice the 50 or 100 soldiers for it, depends on the size of your country I suppose.
Also you absolutely need supply carts if you're moving units by boat across the Atlantic. You'd think they'd carry supplies in the ships but you starve very quickly out at sea.

>>2218814
I have not fucked with navy or overseas conflicts in general, so my opinion is based on purely land based central European conflicts
>T. Glorious Bvllhemian Emperor

whom are you even supposed to start as to do this

>>2218813
Save, do it, then report the results

go, my horde of noblemen!

>>2218821
i would if i had the money to throw away

>>2218806
I wish there was a dynamic but continent locked option. It's either hard railed into one specific province, or you run the risk of it spawning on the other side of the planet as Europe when the printing press is one of the most important inventions of the time period

>want to play my country along a roughly historical path
>protestant religions having fuck all interaction internationally and no real features
lame

>>2218794
ledger for great powers

>>2218798
https://eu5.paradoxwikis.com/Age#Age_of_Discovery
The requirements if you're curious
I'm pretty sure institutions have a very large base spread from "could have spawned institution", you shouldn't have to wait for it to cross all of Asia

The Counting House gives +25% to local crown power but I don't actually see any crown power on locations.
So what the hell does it do?

>>2218827
Protestant heathens deserve no content
Catholic board
Catholic world

>>2218814
I haven't found them useful but I've only done wars on the continent. In age 3 I usually have 11 frontage so 33 regiments in each stack. I think each fighting regiment carries like 10% as much food as a supply cart? if you're adding one supply cart in that's not even one extra tick worth of food consumption.

If I needed a food supply badly I'd make a unit that's all supply carts and set objective to "perform army logistics". But I haven't needed to do that since I figured out food access.

man manually setting up trade and production economy in a small nation is so nice
like playing a mini anno 1800

>control all of mexico
>over 20 million pops
>"ummm achtually sweaty you aren't an empire because on another continent there are 8 countries who have really pretty art"

trans rights are noble rights

>country fell from union because the ruler changed
>check their ruler
>still same as mine
What the fuck

>>2218822
perfect libtrard meme

>Play Ottos
>Capture Constantinople early
>"Hey this isn't so h-
>Lose Rise of Turks situation and bonuses
>Constantinople worse location for distance than Bursa
Well i'll be fucked then.

>>2218837
what the fuck
her father really wanted a son?

the slopification of english begins

>>2218837
>'yiv

How are the Mamluk's? I dont think ive heard much about people playing them for how big they are at the start.

>>2218846
0 control over everything

>>2218843
>Western localization be like

>>2218846
I raped them for Jerusalem.

Is it doable?

>>2218855
Bait them onto forts and into mountains

>>2218855
Horses are no joke

>>2218811
I remember one of the streamers who got the game early mentioning that you could declare war on rebellions, but it was incredibly gamey. Imagine if you're in a civil war yourself and someone vassalizes your rebels, without you being able to intervene.

>>2218855
wait I forgot the army potential

>>2218855
If you have a solid professional army and a good fort network, maybe

>>2218806
>china threw all their gold into a vault once
>therefore china invent banking!
>china made some firecrackers once
>therefore china invent guns!
>china made takeout menus once
>therefore china invent printing press!
let’s be honest every single institution should only spawn from a handful of provinces in England, Italy and France they only did it this way to add an element of unpredictability

>>2218860
>Kyiv

>>2218798
I have them set to strictly historical so the only one starting outside europe is meritocracy.

>>2218870
viyK<

>>2218832
If you mouse over estate power you'll see a base amount from population, basically local estate power boosts the amount the pops in that location give. For crown power it's the same except crown power can come from any pop. So build it on high pop provinces.

I keep adding finished charters to the wrong colony REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2218865
china did invent guns and the printing press though
they just didn't do anything with either one

>too related to marry
WOKE GARBAGE

>>2218874
So "local crown power" is just a modifier to the national crown power? Because all the other estates have local power, but the crown doesn't seem to, I guess because they don't want the crown collecting tax base directly.

>>2218877
That’s my point. They were the first to prove the concepts but considered them all trivialities. They didn’t invent any institutions.

is there a way to not show these migration arrows in the population map mode
because i can't see shit

>>2218843
>It is asserted that the spelling of "ghost" with the silent letter h was adopted by Caxton from the influence of Flemish spelling habits.[30][31]
Execute the fag now.

>society around me is getting progressively worse each year
Sorry, i need to map-game

>>2218881
yeah but I can imagine an alternate timeline where the printing press actually became a significant aspect of chinese culture long before europe got ahold of it

>>2218798
>>2218806
>You should've changed the game rule
Is the setting to let it spawn wherever the default? Everything's spawned in Europe for me so far.

>>2218880
It's a boost to the crown power contributed by the location's pops, so the base crown power basically.
If you somehow built a counting house in every location I think your country's base crown power before modifiers would go up by 25%, yeah

why does the settle the frontier decision makes my entire population move to the province that's being settled, that's retarded

>>2218887
Chinese writing system is so complex they'd rather carve wooden blocks for printing than make movable blocks.

IS Deus Vult alone worth admin focus? Getting CBs seems a bit annoying in this one

>black death only ever made it to India before stopping, leaving most of east Asia untouched
>suddenly 20 years later after disappearing it pops up in China out of nowhere
Its over...

>>2218894
It is the default. I'm still very confused how Korea got it because it says printing press needs the Renaissance to be present to spawn

what happens if i let nobles win civil war? pretender?

>>2218901
Use the parliament to get dubious claims. I think the admin is still the best one for renaissance either way

>>2218904
they full annex you and become you

There's no infant mortality it feels like

>>2218900
moveable type could definitely work for chinese
just carve a block for each character, and more common characters would have more blocks
you can say a lot more with fewer symbols compared to european languages

Who exactly has access to enslavement on occupation? What is the modifier/rule called?

WOAH IT'S 1447 AND THE BURGUNDIAN INHERITANCE JUST FIRED

>>2218908
yeah and then what, game over?

>>2218909
most characters only seem to have 3-4 children for performance reasons
you can just assume that the five years between each kid are stillbirths or babies that died of whooping cough at three months

Turned vsync off and my game was almost twice as fast.
1337 one year benchmark went from 1:01 to 0:36.
Only downside is a slightly increased GPU demand, but I just lowered it from very high to low preset.
This is without having to do the debug render frame meme btw.

When did you start sending explorers out. It feels early but I don't want to let the AI get too ahead of me in that aspect. Also like half my income comes from my French holdings so it's going to be bad if I get fucked out of them while I have that upkeep to pay

>>2218909
I'm completely willing to believe Johan wanting to have a dead baby mechanic in the game and management shutting it down

What exactly does Proximity Cost do? Does it mean you get more control from proximity to capital or something else? I noticed roads mainly give proximity cost and they supposedly increase control

fucking how? majapahit has half the tax base and yet 5 times the navy. 10 carracks are around 12 gold a month, 50 would be bankrupting my monthly income

>>2218917
As soon as the Age of Discovery starts
The AI is pretty bad at colonizing and if you can easily get the whole new world for yourself if you get enough monthly migration modifiers.

>>2218917
send them out asap if england. castille and portugal are beasts

>>2218922
Proximity does nothing on its own but it's the main factor in deciding how much control a province has.

>>2218897
>If you somehow built a counting house in every location
Yeah, but you can only build them in Towns or Cities so you probably shouldn't have Counting Houses in every province.

>>2218544
>non-land based countries
What

Nigga what

>>2218928
I noticed that getting the proximity cost -5% tech did nothing for my control. I'm just puzzled what it does

>>2218931
this fucking game lmao

>>2218930
Banks, sovereign armies, nomads, and pirates.

>>2218930
Extraterritorial states (the Hansa, banks, the Japanese courts/clans, etc.)

>>2218931
>It's not you, it's me.

>>2218917
They can't cross the ocean until you get a tech in the age of discovery, but you CAN colonize single provinces in Africa until you get to India from 1337.

Do you directly control the new world colonies or is it like IV where they get spun off into a new nation or whatever?

>>2218902
As I understand it, there were pretty regular bubonic plague outbreaks basically until the advent of antibiotics

>>2218833
>cathocuck world
You are a dog to the English, the only people on earth that matter

>>2218936
Okay apparently they became a dominion under Vladimir who is also in my union. I guess this isn't that bad since I'll probably inherit the dominion status when I integrate Vladimir.

>>2218927
>>2218926
Okay I'm not even there yet, I just saw some options to do it in places like the Azores. I'll do it then.

Christ that's disgusting

>>2218931
kyiv, 2014

>>2218875
Why the fuck did you give Zuidwest-Afrika that land in the first place?
Zuidwest-Africa is Namibia.

>>2218949
kolncucks in shambles

>>2218931
Wait, you can just do that? Damn, Hungarian history would be quit different if we knew we can tell the Hapsburg's we are leaving with no reason given kek

>>2218934
raises your control cap, not your actual control

>>2218955
A country can't legally colonize you if you just say no.

>>2218922
It's very strong for land-based empires.

>>2218887
There was no need for it in China. They had a robust literary culture going back over 1000 years before the start date. Not just literature but also the equivalent of pamphlets and essays. If you wanted the whole world to read something, you memorialized it to the court, and they had an entire department specifically designed to disseminate whatever you wrote. And these things could even be inflammatory and controversial. (though tyrannical ministers would sometimes crack down on this, and the Qing later made the whole thing a joke and totally censored)

What the "printing press" institution in Europe actually represents is the start of casual literacy. In China the literati were a special privileged class that wrote only for each other, as part of an ancient political process which depended almost entirely on themselves. In Europe, the lower classes were becoming more literate, more wealthy, and more politically important all at the same time, so it mattered a great deal and changed society.
Meanwhile in Ming China, they might put more letters to print than the rest of the world combined, but it'd all be copies of the Five Books, commentaries on the Five Books, and excoriating essays about how my rival Wang Dong is ignorant of the Five Books.

My understanding of proximity cost is going from one province to another for control purposes has a cost. So a -5% reduction in proximity cost in theory means you have 5% more control at the outer extremes of your control zone. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

>>2218949
for the love of god just put bruge out of its misery already

>>2218882
LONDON

>>2218949
market gore huh

>>2218882
You have to embargo Pakistan first

>>2218966
Different provinces are given a proximity score between each other, and that score affects various mechanics like control and market distance.
Proximity cost reductions reduce the proximity, and therefore increase control. It's not likely to be 1:1, and if your country is big enough it might not do anything in the extremes because control from proximity to your capital will already be 0

How small are the provinces in EU V? Can someone post a zoomed in map?

>>2218953
they were both mistakes, they started up here :^)
next is an attempt at a trade company if I can figure out how

>>2218974
Imagine EU4 provinces but split into 5

>>2218965
europe had a similar split between a literate upper class and an illiterate lower class and the printing press, as you said, eroded the lines between the two
in theory the same thing could happen in china
but you're right that it would probably require a growing middle class first

>>2218920
They have stillborns in Mount & Blade. It’s not exactly a cutting edge controversy by this point.

>>2218974
gloriously small

>>2218973
But the cost being reduced enough will eventually translate to that 0 control province being more-than-0, I believe. So let's just say if you have a -99% proximity cost you'll basically negate distance from capitol entirely. If there's a console command to set proximity cost I'll test it

>>2218974
Any specific country?

>>2218985
Yeah, eventually, but at that point you'd have 100 control everywhere basically

>>2218975
Surprised they even let you give provinces that far out.
They wouldn't even let me give the Falklands to La Plata.

>>2218974
The entire HRE has been recreated in excruciating detail. Hundreds of free cities no bigger than a few miles wide.

is there a way to disable unit animations?
it's really hard to tell where the units are sometimes

I hate the AI so fucking much. They literally refuse to send in their troops to help in a battle.

>>2218979
>>2218983
>>2218992
How much do you interact with each and every one of them, or are they just empty spaces?

>>2218987
Any place around Mediterranean will do

>>2218974
This is the smallest resolution that the game gives you access to (locations)
For the UK they're smaller than counties, but usually represent more than one city.

>>2218990
Sorry I thought you thought I meant the proximity cost reduction was taken from outside-in, when it's actually inside(capitol)-out, so it has a knock on effect which may seem small at first if you're going from 100-80-60-30-15-0 which generally is what it looks like at the start with no roads etc

>>2218974
here's one (1) colonised location (the smallest territorial unit) in Taiwan, complete with a bunch of Japanese minors owning random disjointed locations
it's not the Med but it's the first thing I have available and it's a pretty similar level of granularity as far as I can tell

>>2218992
This sounds great in theory but does it really work well in the game

>>2218991
it feels really random, in North America I could give almost every charter to one specific colony no matter the distance and sometimes it doesn't let me add charters with a minimal coastal gap

>>2218993
Press the Esc button.
Click the settings button.
Click the graphics button.
Scroll down the settings page.
Find the text that says "Unit Animations".
Find the check box next to the text that says "Unit Animations".
Click the check box next to the text box that says "Unit Animations". until it goes from being checked to unchecked.
Press the save button.
Press the Esc button again.

>>2218996
you are forced to interract with all of them in great detail to manage the economy

>>2218997
>>2218999
Fuck me this is like HoI3 level in scale

>>2218999
>Ming
>balkanized japan
>a beautiful new BLOO korea
the fuck?

>>2218996
It’s entirely dependent on who you’re playing as. The big boys tend to only play with each other. If you’re Poopenfartenburg you’ll interact a lot more with the other nobodies.

Nation suggestions for regional power? Something like Ardabil -> Iran

>>2218980
I think you'd need someone besides the Hongwu emperor to unite China. He was an autistic fanatic for peasants so he set up the country in such a way there could never be a centralized state, and the merchant class was badly persecuted. Even with god tier rulers and ministers later on, and some truly awful ones, none of them could meaningfully change the system, for better or worse.

You'd need the equivalent guy but for merchants. Some sort of giga-capitalist warlord who monetizes the whole economy and forces peasants to grow cash crops (except it actually works this time)

>>2218996
>>2218997
And here's italy/greece
>How much do you interact with each and every one of them, or are they just empty spaces?
Each is given their own individual RGO, which can be expanded independently. For market bottlenecks you either have to interact with them individually or automate it. Your units also exist at the location level
For wars, if you capture the province capital (one level of territory up) then it automatically captures the entire province. I don't know if that's still the case for cities though
If you're playing as china, you basically just have to automate everything.

>>2218916
THANK YOU
idk why but it really is running better with no vsync

>>2219011
ngl homie, that sounds like CCP propaganda to reframe the emperor who btfo'd the mongols as a mao type figure

>>2219010
If you get to Iran, you'll end up being a great power just by virtue of being a T4 formable.
I really want to do a tibet/korea game at some point

>>2219012
Nice. Thanks anon.

nice

>>2219000
>work well
Not currently but it’s got potential to be great. I will say its a lot of fun.

>>2218916
>saving the thumbnail

>>2219012
>>2218999
>>2218997

The map and province sizes are pure svvl
Just LOOK at the immense size of that Great Ming compared to the one province of colonized Taiwan. I'm gonna coom

>>2219017
how

i conquered all of scotland and still it said i was "missing locations"

>>2218916
didnt notice a diff tbqh

What's the difference between vassal and fiefdom? They seem the same to me

I still don't know how to unlock paved roads.

>>2219023
If you hover over it it should tell you what you need

>>2218967
Can't, they're France's lapdog

>1445
soft-failed the 100 years war because i took too many locations and ended the situation before i could use the claim throne peace deal
11th great power though, and 2nd in the 'known' world

>>2219027
A fiefdom has your king as their king, whereas a vassal requires you to install someone else
I think that's literally it

>>2219032
>Kyiv

>>2218580
thanks but I started in Yucatan so north mexico is far away. I tried to colonise there but due to this tool issue it didn't work.

>>2219032
>soft-failed the 100 years war because i took too many locations and ended the situation before i could use the claim throne peace deal
More realistic this way desu, there is no way England could hold France in a PU.
Do you get to keep the flag with the Fleur-de-lis?

Well that was fast

>>2219034
I went into debug mode and gave 5000 ducats to Kyiv on my new start :)

How do you like them apples?

>>2219032
Are you playing with AI aggressiveness turned up?

>>2219036
yeah, and it changed to this after forming GB

>>2219035
I did exactly the same, and I'm telling you you literally just have to power through it until you get to the first iron RGO.
Manually expand any stone RGOs you have access to and manually import tools, weapons and stone if you have to

You thought that (((they))) were done with inserting judeo-globalist turd into the game only by naming it "Kyiv"? Oh, sweet summer child. They had to insert the modern day politics in more than just one way

>>2219042
>fleur-de-lis in prominence over the english standard
reeeeeeeee

>>2219040
you cant tune the ai aggressiveness

the difficulty modifier just gives it bs bonuses (which it gives to all AI equally, so it equates to nothing except cheating against the player)

>>2219040
no, this is default ironman settings

>>2219014
Nah that's actually how he was. It's not a positive thing, he made retarded decisions that doomed the dynasty from the start and never got fixed. Like later on the state had a gazillion people and a massive GDP, but couldn't raise a proper army because there was no centralized production for firearms, and every podunk village would contribute one misshapen gun each and they'd all explode. They couldn't even control floods because the responsibility was devolved to locals who stole the money.

They collected taxes the same way people did 5000 years ago, grain on river barges, because their shitty peasant economy couldn't handle money, even though they tried to monetize it. And the tax rate was so crazy low the state had no revenue. But because revenue was so low, whenever officials passed through a territory, the locals were responsible for paying their costs. Which could be obscenely high. This became a form of corruption.

speaking of corruption, he also set officials' salaries to starvation wages as a way of encouraging humble peasant-like living, but in practice this meant they all lived off corruption and got obscenely wealthy anyway.

>>2219045
no idea what happened to the pic
>supportive
>jewkraine colours
very subtle kikes, but the power of autism prevails

>>2219045
ruZZia sisters... why do we keep losing?

>>2219052
holy schizo

>>2219038
I hope these are good. They seem to be about the most asinine things. But maybe that will allow a nice level of detail. Hopefully the Spanish one makes at least Spain more present in Asia earlier. If all else fails, at least the free updates will have most of the important stuff.

>>2219022
Souf Chiner looks like a nest.

>>2218994
it's basically a downside of decentralization

>paradox added slaves
have they finally gone woke?

>>2219050
Probably also didn't help the royal relatives gobbled up majority of the state budget by late 1500s.

>>2219045
Woke is dead you fag. We are in the age of the Chud now.

>>2219058
jesus christ imagine playing chiner

Which one of you bastards is brave enough to play China

iirc no one has done a serious attempt itt

these faggots have been at 100% for almost a year and arent popping and I cant do anything while they're above 95%

is this bugged

>>2219067
I'm >>2218999
doing it right now what the hell are you talking about

>>2219067
There was literally a great ming posted earlier today
I'd want to play Yuan if I was doing it, but supposedly they're absolutely cucked

>>2219052
I hope you and your kind just dies in a trench. Fucking shitstain of the internet.

heinsbergreich grows

>>2219068
>crown pretenders
How does that even happen?
Low legitimacy?

>>2219072
Oink

The Koreans and Cambodians are having a colonial war over Taiwan lol

>>2219076
byzantine disaster

>>2219068
they will pounce when your least expecting

no joke

>>2219072
>NOOOO STOP NOOOOTIIICCCIIIIINNGGGGG
your kind will be culled

>>2219038
>Stealth ottoman DLC
>stealth colonialism/new world DLC
>stealth England (and open France) DLC
Not bad desu

of course they're making a byzaboo DLC first. I fucking hate these faggots who obsess over that failure of an "empire"

>>2219084
I cant declare wars while they're above 95 though so thats bullshit

>hourly ticks but no night/day animation like in hoi4
im sad...

>>2219038
Forget all this, I'd pay $50 for the army templates DLC

>>2219008
korea goes blue when they get independence from yuan when yuan collapses
japan goes sengoku style and fractures into daimyo
ming actually succeeding at taking over yuan is pretty rare though

Imagine being a turk lmao

>>2219052
schizophrenia post

>>2218913
Does Burgundy actually get shit?

>>2219097
The inheritors of Rome.

>>2219088
You dont want first DLC to be anyone important desu. Look at poor France in Vic3. Doomed to forever have half-baked content cause it got DLC first. In that sense Byzantium is perfect, its mostly irrelevant but has meme-tier love so people will buy the DLC

>game crashed when trying to sort the character list
it do be getting kinda long

>>2219102
The romans left their legacy to dysgenic mongoloids?

So, if my ruler runs both my country and a fief, and fiefs give control and I can do whatever there like it’s my own country, what’s stopping me from making everything a fief and getting max control in places furthest from my capital? What’s the catch?

>>2219038
>Dlc to face the rising ottoman threat while rising threat isn't even rising
They can't even complain people pirate this garbage

everyone is just joining my union i guess

Armies still move between predetermined points in provinces right? Not free movement like Mount & Blade or something

>>2219110
>paradox actually do something competent for once
>"this garbage"
i will not allow you to use the name "johan" without the title of "sheikh"

They converted to Orthodoxy again.

>>2219112
Yes. The locations are just very granular.

What are light ships for? I built a bunch of caravels after ignoring navy completely and got btfo'd by an equal force of outdated galleys

>>2219116
Buy the DLC to counter this threat to Islam

>>2219110
kek this. ottomans are total pushovers in this game. they just kill themselves for no reason

>>2219112
How the fuck would you expect them to do that otherwise?

>>2219116
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2219101
I don't think so lol
I was surprised it even broke free from France

>>2219112
The shogun of Japan...
https://www.youtube.com/wat
ch?v=k62zxj8qzXY

>>2219087
>stealth
anon they were advertised and included in the deluxe edition

>>2219123
Johan butt magic

>>2219116
Based white Ottoman Europeans

>>2219112
>>2219127
No idea how I fucked that up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k62zxj8qzXY

>finally get 3d map to not overheat my GPU
>kinda prefer pure paper map after using it for so long
I do it to myself
wonder if someone will do a terrain paper map mod

>watching the new emperor fuck up the hre my dynasty maintained for a century and a half
pain

Is playing as a BBC any good? sounds boring as hell

>>2218554
>how do you see non-land based countries when starting a new game
or you just go on the bottom and pick the map mode for building/military/pop based countries
also you could be doing better. you should have a bank in at least city-tier location (your banks will become even more profitable ocne they start building those up)

>>2219109
At the moment running a ton of small vassals is the meta for conversion/integration because every fief gets 2 additional cabinet slots and basically 100% control
Eventually you hit your diplomatic capacity but it scales down based on relative income between you and each subject rather than a single number per vassal and the scaling isn't punishing enough for having a higher number of relations to discourage it

Eventually you do want provinces under your own control though, particularly as you get better proximity bonuses through land/sea over time

>>2219026
skill issue

>>2218778
störtebecker tag when

>>2219116
I mean honestly it makes sense logically, nothing wrong with the ai. Paradox just needs to set a special flag for the Ottoman tag to not do this perfectly reasonable move.

>>2219109
>and I can do whatever there like it’s my own country
You can't.

You don't control their armies so they're useless in wars
You don't command their manpower or income, only a fraction of money gets paid to you
You don't control their spending so you can't stop them from wasting the money they do keep
You can build stuff inside them, but you don't reap the profits yourself
You can't reform their government or manipulate their estates, so you can't help the crown keep more of those profits
You can't accept cultures they have, or convert or assimilate their pops
And if you have too many and all of them combined get stronger than you, they'll get uppity and rebel.

It's still preferable to holding low control locations, but not as OP as some make it sound. You want to eventually eat the fiefdoms and integrate the land. Or at least consolidate it into a bigger subject you farm for vassal fees.

>>2219012
desu I want to have a try at manually playing Ming and seeing how long it takes to break me
There's probably a Chinese giga-autist doing it right now
God speed Chinese giga-autist

>>2219011
>You'd need the equivalent guy but for merchants. Some sort of giga-capitalist warlord who monetizes the whole economy and forces peasants to grow cash crops (except it actually works this time)
Didn't that almost happen in the Song or Tang? They were building up a solid merchant class like Europe did but it all went to shit after they got btfo by steppeniggers.

>>2219147
what about dominions?

>>2219148
after i'm done with my england run i'm going full autism in china

How many months worth of supply should I build to my armies?
Sieges take so fucking long. Is there any bombard button?

>>2219148
I gave Yuan a shot but you get turbo fucked by the black death into red turban rebellion

>>2219144
Name one historical example of a muslim state converting to Christianity in the timeline.

>>2218768
what's a good set up for taxes?

>Unironically fighting wars
Are you retarded? Those POPs could be paying taxes instead of dying in de Veluwe. Just fuck your way to succes.

Why do roads have to be so insanely complicated? Can't it just be a road that you build in the province that connects to other province's roads rather than this tangled mess of having to build them from every population center?

>>2219150
Everything I said goes for every subject, if they're a different tag you can't do any of that stuff, simple as

Though different subject types don't stack when it comes to gauging strength for rebellion. So if you have a million subjects their loyalty gets easier to manage if half are vassals and half are fiefdoms etc.

>>2219148
>>2219151
Game really should have started in 1356 for both the golden bull and active red turban rebellion.
Sadly they had to go for their perfect 500 years meme.

>>2219115
>Already 6 dlcs at day 5
>Not garbage

>>2219164
>Eu4troon still seething
Love to see it

Houfnice are useless for fighting right?

turkish nobles ruling conquered greeks should not take into account those greeks religion when deciding whether to convert

>>2219159
It's not complicated, they just never explain that roads exist between locations, not inside locations.
in other words, if a location has four neighboring locations that's four potential road connections to build.
Why do they do this? Because proximity and armies moving into the mountains shouldn't get a bonus because there's a road leading away to the valley.

If you want proximity to move better between two provinces you build roads between those provinces. The auto build button at the top of the road builder does that pretty much optimally. You only need to build roads manually if you're building for something other than proximity. Like wanting a special road for your army.

>>2219168
I stopped playing EU IV shortly after the mission trees were added

Is province capital dynamic or always the same?
I have a province I want to build the town in a different location, but I don't want it to flip to enemy control because the actual "province capital" is some rural shithole hundreds of miles away.

>>2219170
But isn't that literally exactly what the magyars did? Conquered a bunch of hillbilly Christians and then immediately converted to their religion to more easily rule them

>>2219169
no, they engage during bombard phase at the start of a battle

>>2219172
Alright, that helps. I thought adding more roads was doing something for the proximity but it makes sense that if you just fill out the menu you're pretty much good. I guess I was making it more complicated than it needed to be. Thanks.

>>2219172
All this would be fixed if they had a better visual representation of roads on the map. They are far too subtle and easily confusable with location borders.

>>2219159
its not. just link everything to your capital. nothing else matters

>>2219169
afaik everything before the Artillery institution spawns is useless for fighting, I get like 4 kills per tick in the bombard phase with 6 regiments of falconets.

when does the "months of food stockpiled" modifier cap out

Protip : If you start with low enough pops and piss off your estates, you can get literally everyone to leave your country, and you get that sweet crown power and all privileges get deleted
Then you just start anew by pushing immigration

Does anyone know what's actually required for the Lion of the North achievement?

I'm playing Sweden for my first ironman run, and it's going really well. I just hit the late 1500s and the Wars of Religion situation just popped, and I realized I have a problem. Apparently, you HAVE to be in the HRE to join either side of the League? And unfortunately, I flipped to Lutheran nearly a century ago, so I'm ineligible to join.

Am I just locked out of the achievement now? Are you expected to join the HRE as Sweden?? That wouldn't make any sense.

>>2219184
how do i do this as france?

>>2218540
>how are you supposed to resist European colonization?

>>2219187
>achievements
Don't even bother in paradox games

I managed to make peace with a much more powerful country by just giving some money and doing a humiliation ritual. They would've crushed me otherwise and initially wanted to take some of my most valuable land.

>>2219148
im in love with the zazed hongwu

>>2219188
Let the plague kill half of them then starve the rest

how do I remove artists?

>>2219187
If I'm reading the code right, you have to be or have been Sweden, be Lutheran, be the attacker in a war with "Religious Superiority" CB, and win that war.
You don't have to be the war leader, it's "any attacker". So maybe you could intervene in the war after it starts? Rival the emperor first?

lmao

>>2219202
Alright, that should be doable. Thanks anon.

It would be pretty retarded of them to put in a Gustavas Adolphus achievement and then not let you do what he did.

>>2219204
Protestant pope, sovl...

>>2219204
He keeps his personal and professional life separate.

>>2219204
whoops, how do I go from duchy to empire?

>>2219204
They should code it so if this happens the papacy just disbands and Europe enters the industrial era in a couple decades

>>2219212
>the industrial revolution was due to protestantism
bait or retard, call it

i have 17 transports but don't have enough transport capacity for my 5k standing army?

>>2219204
Martin Lvther Won

>>2219204
he was the best man for the job, what do you want

>>2219219
The transports show their capacity in their interface, it's at the top.
For reference, my 20 transports can carry 8,000, but it's not linear increases like EU4, all units stats, including transport capacity, are variable.

>>2219223
250 transport capacity for one cog seems a bit low considering it was 1k in eu4

>>2219212
>>2219218
welcome back max weber

>>2219204
>accelerationist pope
based?

ARRRGGGGGHHHH GIVE ME THE FUCKING ARMORY I WANT CANNONS I NEED MORE MANPOWER

do regnal numbers work in this game? if my king is named John and I name my son John, will he become John II?

>>2219226
Better ships give you more capacity. One Age of discovery regiment = 400, one age of discovery ship = 400. Also your combat/trade fleet contributes to it as well.

all my colonies are disloyal and I need the Colonial Representation law to boost it, but nowhere in the game does it say how to unlock that

>>2219204
If this happens Lutheranism should get renamed to Catholicism and all the real Catholics should get renamed to heretics

>>2219226
Units aren't the same size as EU4
What's the point of comparing

>>2219204
The pope if he was actually Christian

>>2219236
Well Luther did want to rectify the church, not split up.

>game made by random Swedish autists now has more provincial detail than a dedicated historial atlas
I don't know what to feel about this.

I'm poorfagbrokefagniggerfag but I have a very good computer. where do I go to get the game without shilling out $60 to these swedeniggers

>>2219241
the vast majority of the states were utterly irrelevant and might as well not have existed

>>2219249
It is like if a future civilization marked HOAs as their own states.

>>2219247
On 4chan.com we strongly oppose piracy

Is there an actual reason why the AI takes territories they have no possibility of controlling, or it this just another case of the AI targeting the player like in EU4?

>>2219247
I'm sorry but you can only experience the game vicariously through youtubers

Does conquering stuff even actually do anything to help you in early game when you can't really meaningfully increase control and you get almost no tax?

Jesus facking Christ that’s a long tutorial, when do I get to start oppressing brown people???

i think im beginning to understand trade, 30 hours in.

anyone else grand multiplayer campaigning
pretty cozy so far

>>2219247
how do you have a very good computer without the money to buy the game

>>2219254
hungary and france just take chunks of italy in this game, dunno why

>>2219258
Who cares about control, it's all about having a big name on the map

>>2219260
Enlighten me

Please

>>2219261
I don't have friends or good enough internet, sadly

took me this long to get to 1446 because of all the constant warring

>>2219258
You get like 15 guaranteed control in core provinces regardless of distance and 30 in core cities at game start

>Cheeky opportunist war mid black death
How terrible is this idea?

>>2219262
stop digging anon

>>2219271
Haven't tried it but sounds like a good way to die en masse
Do it

Should I be directly vassalizing small defeated enemies or taking the provinces and then releasing a vassal?

>>2219254
This shit is so annoying when playing in Italy. AI peace deal priority is completely retarded. They'll give up adjacent gains for distant exclaves they have no hope of controlling, and they don't even turn them into vassals either they'll just hold a chunk of Ferrara to cockblock you for no reason.

>>2219258
Of course, at the worst you can convert it to a vassal, and you'll also get money and war reps out of the war.

>>2219232
1. Yes.
2. The game has a number of pre-existing rulers already defined so that your regnal numbers will add on to them.
3. Different forms of the same name count as the same name. See Henri I and Henry II in pic related (why the fuck did they do the names like that?) Also if you have another Stephen he will be Stephen II after Etienne I.
4. Different dynasties don't count towards the regnal number. Here, Edward the Confessor is Edward I, but Edward I, II, and III are still listed as their actual numbers. This means there's two Edward I's in the English title history.

>>2219271
>Cheeky opportunist
Is that what they're calling the homosexuals nowadays?

>1612
>47.6% Literacy
Lutheranism is strong.

coalitions are actually kinda useful at cleaning up OPMs that are not allied with each other without having to fabricate Casus Bellis.
They might come in handy if you play a nation that has trouble fabricating them like a theocracy in Germany

>>2219282
thank you

>>2219282
Time to get Henry XVIII

alright, this game is boring. the exponential building income is too vicky, every country plays the same. I'm bored. back to EU4 I go to die alone.

>vic2
>ck2
>eu3
>march of the eagles
>hoi3

>country gets too big to manage buildings, so its time to automate
>economy dies in 50 years because the AI is dogshit at making buildings

>>2219292
>Look mom I posted it again
We get it
You're brown and retarded

>>2219292
Yeah, I think right now the replayability is somewhat limited but they'll get the flavor down more in the future.

WHY THE FUCK IS THE RUHR RIVER NOT A THING OWNING WESTPHALIA SHOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER

>>2219298
>replayability
i've been playing nonstop since release and im at 1490

0 Madagascar
1 Zanzibar
2 Mogadishu
3 Socotra
4 some Red sea shithole
5 Oman
6 Hospitaliers
7 Tripoli
8 India but christian
9 Random OPM
0 ???

>>2219302
get MOGGED

>>2219265
you need to play as the smallest nation to get it and manually set up deals
price depends on the volume of the item, and pops regularly get new demands
i dont think ai is able to satisfy them automatically
you need to set up a chain of for example salt trades across multiple markets in order to deliver it to your capital. One market mines it, then you set up export to another where its getting stored, then export from there to your destination.
If you are making something in to something else the lower the price of the initial item the more profitable the production.

>>2219298
So much this sister. We need mission trees and bird mana to get replayable world conquests

>>2219289
Also, Charlemagne's descendent rules Aachen.

>>2219301
just because your pc is from 2015 doesnt mean everyone's is.

>>2219093
turning that shit off was one of the first things i did when i started playing that piece of shit game

>>2219311
i actually have a great PC, and the game speed runs fine. I just never leave 1 speed because I like to take it slow and easy.

EU5 is a game meant to be enjoyed with a cup of tea

>>2219310
VGHHH the TRVE roman emperor...
also
>charlemagne has shitty stats
i'm guessing these are just procgen

>>2219310
The Imperial capital of Aix-la-Chapelle
vgh...

>>2219311
Meanwhile it's only brown trannies with shit PCs like (you) who are seething over eu5

>>2219310
how the fuck is that possible, weren't the carolingians already extinct at this point?

>>2219052
it's not even yellow, it's more towards orange

>>2219310
please tell me (((they))) didn't give him fr*Nch "culture"

britishers, happening status?

is it possible to play as a French vassal and get independence or am I just getting fucked every game

Has anyone else noticed that ruling dynasties tend to go extinct a lot, including your own? Each ruler typically has three kids, and your brothers don't seem to marry on their own so no kids from them. So if you have three daughters you're fucked. I just had this happened and when I opened up the dynasty tree I noticed that all the previous uncles and cousins didn't have kids if they weren't rulers. RIP House of Welf. Guess I have a reason to actually find marriages for useless people in the court now.

>>2219324
Yeah, he's separate to the actual family tree. I think it's just a flavor thing.

>>2219330
you can marry your brothers
just hope they have kids

How do you access the rivals menu?

>>2219306
the only thing im yet to understand is how do i get profit from importing an item nobody demands
who do i sell it to. Or does the description lie and its only a potential estimate for "if" i were to sell it?

>>2219331
Apparently it's a bug that happens in CK3 too. If a randomly generated character has the same name as a historic dynasty, he gets added to the family tree.

>>2219305
I cant
Starting with a city feels like cheating
I will play in Socotra instead

>>2219326
I'm sorry.
._.

damn appearently improving opinion can just straight up remove antagonism
makes expansion much more managable

>>2219330
Yeah you have to arrange marriages manually. But if you do it's really strong, by having a big dynasty you eventually get a bunch of competent people belonging to the crown estate, and you can fill all cabinet seats, generalships, and admiralties with them. It's like a 75% crown power boost if you do all that.

>>2219340
Starting with a city (and only a city) seems extremely difficult to me
your pop and food growth is totally gimped

>>2219336
Open Diplomacy menu, make sure you're on Relations tab, scroll down to Rivals (red shield with two crossed swords) and click on it.

>>2219012
It's more provinces than Imperator per square inch of screen space. I remember Sicily and Greece in Imperator had way fewer provinces than this. It's kino.

A reunited catholic-orthodox-lutheran-high anglican-nestorian-methodist giga church is not even that far fechted if you imagine it happening 200 years from now or in the good feelings post 30 years era in some alternate reality. Now a Calvinist Pope, that would be something

How hard is it to colonize? Would a colonial Livonia be possible to do early or would they lack the range for it

>>2219327
what a mess

>>2219347
Food is cheap and you should have plenty of pops and income, i dont see the problem unless your market is terrible for food

how are peasants not slaves if they are working for nothing else but the food that they themselves create

>>2219330
>>2219333
>>2219344
If you go to the society tab, you can use the filters to search for male, crown, unmarried, adult to easily find who you can manually marry.
There's no point marrying your female offspring because their children will just become nobles.

>>2219353
definitely not early, also Livonia is super poor so colonizing would be a struggle

>>2219352
The Schism was already dying but then the Ottomans appointed a puppet Patriarch in Constantinople to nay say it. And if Luther had managed to rectify the Catholic church you'd have one big ass church in Europe.

>>2219356
The problem is that the markets sometimes get fucked and if you grow too fast while ajuran does fuck all then you'll get food bottlenecks you can't do anything about which can massively spike food prices and bankrupt you, especially if you don't have the trade capacity to compensate for it on your own
As maya I had food in one market go up to 0.2 ducats/food which was completely bankrupting me until I destroyed the market centre where the prices were that high.

>>2219267
I pirate so I can't track playtime, but I estimate it took me 20-25 hours to reach 1444 playing at speed 4 and 5.

Characters don't matter beyond their trait and stats. Their estate loyalty only serve to give power to their estate. Religions and culture don't matter beyond triggering random events. I feel in the future there will be a character focused dlc. It wont be ck2-tier but might be a tone-down imperator rome system where you are a nation but need the people in it to be loyal. I had the clergy go to a civil war and nothing happened to the clergy working in my cabinet, no disloyalties or me punishing their estates after I won.
It's shit that it's almost impossible to exile people or invite people but I understand it shouldn't become the main focus. I had my son somehow be a courtier in the papal state and I couldn't get his ass to come back. The pope turned him into a priest(he was married and still fucked as he kept making kids) but because he's clergy and not noble/crown, he wouldn't inherit. So basically I lost a genius heir and got stuck with a retard. Cool immersive storytelling game Johan-sama.

>>2219324
Probably some eastern egg stuff for people that pays attention and for people who want to give themselves a meme challenge. It's a free city havent played in the HRE but I would guess it's going to be hard to breed the dynasty back to life in a republic. Maybe there is an achievement around it or maybe in the future.

what map settings do you guys use?

>>2219337
Are you truly importing it into your market or are you just acting as middleman between two others?

>>2219373
I just use the default 3d map

Should I invade a weak nation to procure iron? A lack of tools is causing me issues and importing metals isn't sufficient.

>>2219361
They had some form of limited ownership of the land they work, they have rights and they own the larger part of their produce and can sell it if they desire. Slaves had not/could not do any of these things. At least negro slaves in the New World.

>>2219326
>>2219341
The guy basically invented the romance French culture. You g*rms can cope all you want but you fags shouldn't spread lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUOT46ucrk this the truth g*rms is trying to hide

How do you decide what RGOs/buildings to build? I'm just building what has the highest profit margins but that feels wrong?

>>2219362
those nobles can be cabinet members or generals

>>2219378
>The guy basically invented the romance French culture
no that was hugo capet, stop coping

>>2219337
There's always some level of demand for any given level of goods. Sometimes it comes from buildings, and other times it comes from the needs of your pops and in turn you either sell it to be used in construction/production or to meet those needs as the pops pay for it out of their own pockets

>>2219383
Yeah, you can also grant your female relatives the right to be cabinet members, so they're not completely useless.

>>2219376
Yes, almost certainly

>>2219376
You could max out your market attraction

>>2219376
War is not the answer.

>>2219377
the only thing represented in the game is that they do make some money from the trade
otherwise i can freely toss them around and destroy their property

>>2219391
War is the question
The answer is "yes"

>>2219273
The plague has passed and the war has ended. Was it worth it? No idea, but hey at least the land grab got me some news pops to counter balance the deaths

>>2219386
>>2219374
i think the game just calculates price differences from where the item is cheap and the market where im importing it to and gives me the difference as a profit. Ie market itself is the consumer, until it fills up perhaps.

>put men-at-arms/halberdiers in the center
>put crossbow men and cavalry in the flanks so they initiative crush the flank and then activate their flank bonus on the center
>add in artillery wherever
is this basically how you build armies?

I made keybinds for EU4 oldfags like me who don't want to use new army keybinds and can't stand clicking map modes every 5 seconds with the shitty laggy UI.
>https://pastebin.com/E2aMWfjr
>Go to Documents\Paradox Interactive\Europa Universalis V\user_bindings\
>Make new file named "new.bindings" and put the pastebin in there
>in game, go to Settings -> Input Bindings
>type "new.bindings" and click Load Profile

>-=|CAUTION|=-
Unfortunately, PDX got rid of mapmode folders from EU4 so we have to do
>CTRL+[key]
and
>SHIFT+[key]
to emulate what we had. This is inferior in pretty much every way to multiple mapmodes on a single key but it's what we were given.
There is also one issue with the Embark bind which is - there isn't a Disembark button for seemingly no reason.

I got the idea to do this because Generalist had tried to do this but his config was DOGSHIT. I took his and fixed it so the army keys take priority and the best mapmodes only take up the left side of the keyboard.
Change it how you like but this is probably the best it gets for a preset.

That is extremely upsetting. If you PU the emperor he just leaves the union after death anyway. I brought him up to union laws through the parliament but the game says no. You'd think the electors would just vote for someone else. I paid 300 antagonism for this. The whole europe hates me and my only ally broke the alliance. For nothing.

>>2219400
>EU4 oldfags
Do you know how much that phrase physically pains me to read, anon?

Am I missing something or are allies just totally useless during wars?
They just raise their soldiers and then sit on their thumbs.

>Black death comes
>Too early to have many RGO's upgraded to get laborer shortages
>Too early to have any soldiers or sailors pops in non-trivial numbers
>Too early to wipe out my burger industries
>Bunch of irrelevant peasants dying all over
What a huge letdown, Black Death barely changes anything. I guess your tax base and levies go down a bit.

>>2219380
That's mostly what you should be doing but also sort by demand sometimes and build up the industries where you can. Also look at what you're importing, if you can build up that industry then you can save money on not having to import stuff. It doesn't factor in things like that, just raw profit value.

>>2219403
You can really feel the suffering that went into this post

>>2219398
i need to pay more attention to what demand actually is. Who are pops paying for it, the market? do i get anything from them buying a stockpiled good?

>>2219398
That's correct. You as a player only ever interact with markets by either performing arbitrage between markets or by buying goods at market prices to pay for construction/production.
The one thing I don't know is if surplus goods literally just get discarded or if they're treated as just being sold at the market price.
I'm guessing it's the latter, since each market also has a stockpile of goods which can become full, so I think you get penalized twice for overproduction both by only selling a fraction of that good and also by lowering the price

>>2219403
>by (((forces))) above the law

>>2219404
If you played EU4 in any capacity the army micro muscle memory should be hardwired into you.
The worst thing I realized going through the settings was there is no Army Deselect button.
In nearly every respect EUV is a better game but in terms of keybinds EU4 is better.

I wish you could subsidise bridges/ construction sectors so my labourers won't fucking leave them when I need them

How do I play this?

>>2219410
>Who are pops paying for it, the market?
1. The goods are produced in the market, and then sold to the market at the market price
2. Countries then move goods between markets using their trade capacity
3. Consumers (pops, buildings, countries) then buy goods from the market at the market price
I don't think the system is fully closed, in the sense that no money is created or destroyed.

>>2219415
You can
Production > buildings > employment system > infrastructure, then most profitable

>>2219411
im not 100% but im pretty sure i get profit even if the market stockpile is full, at least until the price changes which it does very slowly

>>2219417
i hope this infographic helps

>>2219417
Start as an isolated shithole and find out from there unironically. Hawaii is pretty nice for playing around with the mechanics. You'll probably not achieve much, but it will help you understand a lot of what you are missing and you'll know what to target when you play another tag.

>>2219417
It's on steam or you can buy steam keys off the paradox store
Alternatively, piracy

>>2219423
>11
pleb

should I or am I cooked if I do

>>2219422
I'm guessing no one knows if price changes are about supply/demand or the stockpile being empty/full either.
I suppose in terms of trends it doesn't really make a difference

i just destroyed the bruges market to merge it with london

who the fuck knows if that was a good idea

>>2219431
I got a new PC and I don't know if my motherboard and CPU have drivers for Win10.

>>2219432
you've got the carpathians to protect you

>>2218800
>England
Irrelevant backwater for 70% of this game.

>France
Backwards state run by inbred nobles until 1800.

>>2219400
nice, too bad we don't have those folders anymore

>make so much fucking paper
>pop wants more paper
>make another 50 things of paper
>pop still wants more paper
>make another 100 things of paper
>pop still wants more paper

>>2219439
Are you sure? It's literally right there for me.

>>2219417
Build liquor factories.

>can't leave mountainous regions in the Winter
T-thanks... I'll just starve in the Alps it's okay...

>>2219432
Depends on your army
If you can group up with serbia it might be good for you

>>2219442
>works on my machine

>>2219440
*paper crashes*

HOW THE FUCK DO I DESTROY FORTS, I CONQUERED SOME EUROFUCK AND IM BEING DRAINED SEND HELP

>>2219444
Research the St. Bernard tech. It's unlocked by the Swiss DLC.

>>2219447
Serbia seems to have 150 troops left altogether or am I misreading this?

>>2219424
does hawaii see america at the start?

>>2219435
>motherboard
>CPU
>drivers for win10
Jesus Christ

>>2219448
It's not just my machine.
Did you pirate the game or are you running it on Linux?

>Building needs 0.1 more books
>Build scriptorium
>Building needs 0.1 more books
>Build scriptorium
>Building needs 0.1 more books
I'm guessing the games bugged and somehow books are going into the void