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Anonymous No.103387185 >>103387548 >>103387573 >>103387608 >>103387718 >>103388237 >>103388293 >>103389425 >>103389468 >>103389685 >>103389763 >>103390108 >>103390138 >>103390162 >>103390945 >>103390999 >>103391132 >>103393312 >>103395983 >>103396779
I don't understand her
Why did she leave hololive?, She had it all and threw it all out, Suddenly she returned as a indie, vshojo is death so why? time has passed, and i still wonder why.
Anonymous No.103387453 >>103395983
Being in Hololive is worse than being an indie vtuber. Yes, even with all the drama and insecurities surrounding it. That should tell you everything about the company you worship.
Anonymous No.103387548 >>103389888 >>103390092 >>103390597 >>103395983
>>103387185 (OP)
Gura had ADHD and has frequently mentioned that she takes forever to reply to emails or reach out to people. Being an indie means she doesn't have to follow corporate schedules anymore.
Anonymous No.103387573 >>103388080 >>103395983 >>103395983
>>103387185 (OP)
Here is an actual comparison.
My neighbor used to make $160,000 a year as IT security for a huge corporation. The job was so stressful he became an alcoholic and had a mental breakdown. Now we works in a greenhouse watering plants for $50,000 a year and he's incredibly happy.

Except in her case she probably makes more money as indie, even with less viewers.
Anonymous No.103387608
>>103387185 (OP)
>vshojo is death
Anonymous No.103387662
she sensed danger and fled with her tail buttlpulg between her legs
the weak should fear the strong
Anonymous No.103387666
Poached by VShojo
Chained by a non-compete clause
Vshojo imploded before non-compete expired
Anonymous No.103387718 >>103387808
>>103387185 (OP)
Let's be real, love her or hate her, she's set for life. Anyone in her position would just be on cruise control.
Anonymous No.103387808 >>103388312
>>103387718
She's clearly a low-ambition person who has more money than god.
At this point she just wants to stream whatever games she feels like even if they're boring as sin.
No concerts, no merch to promote, no obligatory collabs, no fake enthusiasm, no emails, no brand deals, no censorship on what she can say, no corporation trying to wring their cash cow dry.
Anonymous No.103388080 >>103388413 >>103390640 >>103392426
>>103387573
>Except in her case she probably makes more money as indie, even with less viewers.
She has 0 merch, 0 superchats, and no passive income outside of ads.
She clearly doesn't care about her income anymore. She's either saved up enough to retire, she got some kind of inheritence, or she has a lore drop incoming.
Anonymous No.103388237
>>103387185 (OP)
She is certainly streaming way more than she has in Holo besides maybe that first year. Streaming under Cover rules must be fucking miserable.
Anonymous No.103388252 >>103388753
Because you own literally nothing you do or make while being contracted under Cover. Nothing. Cover owns literally everything. She has ambition, but she wants to realize it under her ownership. She doesn't want to be dependent on a company that isn't even a legal entity in her own country forever.
Anonymous No.103388293
>>103387185 (OP)
she's a lazy piece of shit.
Anonymous No.103388312 >>103395848
>>103387808
A person with no ambition would just stay in Cover and do the bare minimum like Ayame.
Anonymous No.103388413 >>103389672 >>103390054 >>103390118 >>103390130 >>103391119
>>103388080
>She has 0 merch, 0 superchats, and no passive income outside of ads.
Saba just did a million in sales, and her plushie hasn't been released yet. No 50% cut to Cover.
Gura never asked for Superchats. Gives 30% cut to YouTube. More cuts to Apple, Google, Cover, etc.
Saba's ad revenue is no joke, and it is all hers. No 50% cut to Cover.
Saba is making much more than in Hololive. But also requires more work. Indie allows more freedom, but it is not the easy path.

Cover can learn from Saba on how to do merch with no tariffs and shipping.
Anonymous No.103388753
>>103388252
Yea all the hardwork they put into their craft and if they ever slight the corp overlord, nothing belongs to them anymore. Imagine if da Vinci couldn't claim that he painted mona Lisa cause some fucker owns the paintbrush
Anonymous No.103388799
i guess numbers aren't everything.
Anonymous No.103389425
>>103387185 (OP)
She hates Holo as of now. All Holomems she cared about already quit.
Anonymous No.103389468
>>103387185 (OP)
To collab with dooby, its as simple as that
Anonymous No.103389672
>>103388413
>Cover can learn from Saba on how to do merch with no tariffs and shipping.
the fuck do you think cover USA is for? what you expect, have hololive EN talents pull a "support the cause" and say "STOP FUCKING VOTING FOR TRUMP"
Anonymous No.103389685
>>103387185 (OP)
Because she was the same as Nimi.
Anonymous No.103389763
>>103387185 (OP)
baited by money from vshoujo
Anonymous No.103389804
Sheโ€™s lazy as a person and is content to just coast. I hate that attitude but Iโ€™m not in her position so Iโ€™m in no place to judge. Certainly wonโ€™t be supporting her though
Anonymous No.103389888
>>103387548
This. Being part of a corpo means having to run everything you do through corpo approval. Some people might like having that to her it was probably hell
Anonymous No.103390054 >>103390404
>>103388413
She is not making more than in hololive. You are a retard. Not only are you overlooking everything that hololive paid for, like 3D concerts, outfits, eongs, group projects, shipping, licensing, distribution, etc, but you're completely forgetting about all the sponsorships and deals she got as Gura including Sendai, sushiro, dodgers, and everything else. Dino Gura was one of the most sold merch from hololive and she got 50% of it. Sushiro made several million dollars during just its first run and she got a sizable portion of that.
She has roughly 12,000 members as Saba, but many of her members posts as Gura had 5 digit like counts and so she had way more.
Her model itself cost over 10-20 thousand dollars to design and rig and unlike before when she got it all for free, she now has to pay for all of it herself. She also needs fo pay for lawyers and registrations. From the investor reports, by the time Gura quit, merch and ticket sales were the largest percentage of a talent's earnings. Not channel revenue.
Saba will never have a big, high quality concert like holofes or anything else cover does. She will be relegated to oshispark slop and never even make back the operational costs and staff salaries. She's already averaging lower viewers than in hololive.
You are incredibly retarded if you think she is making more money than when she was in hololive.
The reason she left is because she is like Nimi and traveling and managing her personal life was too much work for her.
Anonymous No.103390092 >>103396269
>>103387548
Did you know people with adhd can respond promptly to emails and messages that are actually necessary for their life/career if they want to?
Anonymous No.103390108
>>103387185 (OP)
>hello senzawa? I deposit the money into your account. I thinks it 500k. Please keep this secret. Thank. Please reply when you joining with you friends, please
Anonymous No.103390118 >>103390618
>>103388413
I don't understand what 'ad' income is unless she's sponsored by taco bell or whatever.
Anonymous No.103390130 >>103390636
>>103388413
>requires more work
But it's the kind of work can easily be delegated to someone else. What she left behind was shit that Cover required from her like sponsorships, trips to Japan, and concert practice and recordings, so it's a lot less work overall.
Anonymous No.103390138 >>103391031
>>103387185 (OP)
Wants to sing the songs she wants to sing. Wants to play the games she wants to play. Wants to do streams she wants to do. Simple as that.
Anonymous No.103390162
>>103387185 (OP)
Had all of what? She owned nothing that she was creating and was getting most of her revenue yoinked.
She was frustrated with all of the canceled project, game permissions, red tape, and corporate pressure to endlessly shill garbage merch and do ad campaigns.
Corporate life isn't for everyone even if they have the skills to succeed within it.
Anonymous No.103390404 >>103390648
>>103390054
Yes, Cover benefited greatly from Gura. They rely on 20% of their talents to bring in 80% of their income.
They have to use their own money, some taking loans from Cover, for many of those projects.
Now, Saba is no longer carrying others and corporate's decisions and is directly helping herself. Cover kept underestimating Gura, with merch that didn't last past day 2 of both Guranium and Sushiro.
Saba has only started, and the sponsors are coming to her. With Cover no longer taking 50% of her merch, membership, and ad revenue.

If Cover had Gura Sololives or karaoke concerts, she might still be there.
Anonymous No.103390597 >>103395065 >>103396269 >>103396395
>>103387548
acting like ADHD makes you disabled or something, rumao. It's just a buzzward for lazy retard.
Anonymous No.103390618 >>103390756 >>103391056
>>103390118
YouTube ad revenue.
Gura/Saba viewers have high retention through the whole stream and high activity, having as many likes as views, with chat speed like no other.
Her Vods get a huge amount of views after the stream. This is what causes the YouTube algorithm to send the higher-paid ads. Sorry bots.
Anonymous No.103390636
>>103390130
https://youtu.be/KUIaoqUOw5A?si=_eQ-AGBqLY35h5xL&t=555
Anonymous No.103390640
>>103388080
anon, she makes more money off membies than most of us do wage-slaving. She doesn't have to try any harder than that, she's set
Anonymous No.103390648 >>103390677
>>103390404
Lmao, you are delusional and just making shit up. They don't get 80% of their revenue from 20% of talents.
Also, the concert in your pic is the taiwan concert. It wasn't for Gura. It featured a bunch of talents and Gura was just one of them. They switch their penlights to the featured holo's color when they sing.
You might've been able to trick a tourist, but I've watched more Gura and Saba than you have and instantly recognized that concert.
Anonymous No.103390677 >>103390803
>>103390648
Like I said, IF they gave her sololives or karaoke, she might still be there.
Anonymous No.103390756 >>103391003
>>103390618
You realize we can just check the numbers, right?
Saying made up stuff over and over doesn't make it true. You cannot will things into existence theough delusional positive thinking like a retarded third-worlder relying on spirituality.
Anonymous No.103390803 >>103390901
>>103390677
She didn't want a sololive. She never talked about a sololive.
That would've required her to work and plan one. She was too busy raising the reason that prevented from being a good idol.
Anonymous No.103390901
>>103390803
She's been on her way out since she said "Uh Oh" on her Senzawa Tweet. And soon started the 'Ash Again" song and her breaks started. After Gura and Fauna were carrying Hololive for their bad decisions that almost destroyed HoloEN.
Anonymous No.103390945
>>103387185 (OP)
Nothing wrong with wanting to chill and work at your own pace, with your own rules when your future is already mostly secured
Anonymous No.103390999
>>103387185 (OP)
Le talent freedom lured her out of the walled garden
Anonymous No.103391003
>>103390756
Not going to argue if Cover made it up, because it was calculated from their financial reports.
Anonymous No.103391027 >>103393605
The Gura account has gained 200k subs since graduation.
Anonymous No.103391031 >>103391084
>>103390138
the games sheโ€™s been playing and streams sheโ€™s been doing so far isnโ€™t different than what she did in holo. only difference is she doesnโ€™t have to run it by management first.
Anonymous No.103391056 >>103391087 >>103391117
>>103390618
her vods are hardly breaking 200k rn. not exactly huge numbers
Anonymous No.103391084
>>103391031
That's the point. She can do things mostly on a whim now which is her pace. So far, she's been fairly consistent in her streams. We'll see what happens when she hits a rut, but I'll enjoy the content until that happens.
Anonymous No.103391087
>>103391056
Though they keep growing, instead of dying like most.
Anonymous No.103391117 >>103391754
>>103391056
also no that's not how higher paying ads get determined, ads are run based on the content of the channel, the most profitable ads are and will always be run on finance channels.
Anonymous No.103391119 >>103391274
>>103388413
> Saba just did a million in sales, and her plushie hasn't been released yet. No 50% cut to Cover.
You arenโ€™t fully wrong, but Omocat takes a cut, too (15-30% unless they somehow offer her a different rate compared to other indies), not to mention manufacturing costs.
t. indie
Anonymous No.103391132
>>103387185 (OP)
her dream was to /become/ miku
the only way is to own her own model ip and slowly morph herself into miku
Anonymous No.103391274 >>103392111
>>103391119
Of course, but no Cover cut on top of production costs. You aren't suggesting they do it for free?

The anniversary/3DLive merch is where Hololive talents only pay for the production costs. Why they shill it so much. But they don't get much from corpo merch. Fauna said they get more from Superchats (YT and Cover cut). Gura rarely shilled such items, like those ridiculous watches and backpacks. Even refusing the Hyte collab. Gura wasn't the ideal corpo salesman.
Anonymous No.103391478
Bum alcoholic left corpo to be a bum alcoholic, pdf fan base follows, still buys merch, thats a win desu.
Anonymous No.103391754
>>103391117
While financial content gets more financial ads,
what was described also gets the higher-paid ads.
Youtube will send more of those to VODs that have a high retention and activity. .ie to ensure live viewers.
And more upcoming changes to the algorithm to combat bots are being implemented soon.
Anonymous No.103392111 >>103392336
>>103391274
Corpo merch is just keychains and acrylic stands shit nobody but the most rabid fans buy, that has next to zero input by the talents and nobody really cares about. I bet most of that stuff is bought opportunisticly at shops and cons anyway.
The by far most money for the girls is made with Birthday, 3D live etc. merch, they will actively shill and five next to nothing to cover for.
Anonymous No.103392336
>>103392111
This masterpiece was not shilled by Gura.
Probably most all went to Cover.
Anonymous No.103392426 >>103393553
>>103388080
>She has 0 merch
Anon?
Anonymous No.103393312
>>103387185 (OP)
>Try watching Saba
>Can't even muster going on for more than five minutes
Its actually insane how much a buff the blue Dorito is.
Anonymous No.103393553 >>103395217
>>103392426
right now? 0.
There's no permanent merch, and she's shown no signs of more merch drops.
If she adds some, I'll take it back, but for now it seems she doesn't care.
Anonymous No.103393605
>>103391027
Gura was (or maybe still is) a fucking monster
Even in death, she won't give her crown to Marine so easily
Anonymous No.103393754
What dipshits never seem to even try to understand, is that not every vtuber wants to simply be as big and popular as humanly possible, no matter what that takes. If they did, no one would ever leave Hololive. Vtubers want to be financially successful, but that doesn't mean pathologically pursuing every possible dollar you can at the expense of your own happiness or stress.

Saba can have half the viewers she ever had with Holo, and still be making massive bank because she's not giving a giant cut to the corp. She can do whatever projects or appearances she wants, play whatever games she wants, and collab with almost anyone she wants. And perhaps most importantly, she now owns and controls her own brand too.

The fuckwits who compulsively track Nimi or Dooby's CCV numbers don't seem to get that they don't really care. They want to make enough to live comfortably and do their own thing, and they are doing that. It's a spectacular failure of imagination that you can't conceive of why someone might want to leave Hololive's gilded cage, even if it works for the priorities of others there.
Anonymous No.103393795
>ctrl+f
>grift
>whore
>0 results
Bizarro /vt/ today from the looks of it. Kids in school again?
Anonymous No.103395065
>>103390597
>acting like ADHD makes you disabled or something
it kind of does desu
Anonymous No.103395217
>>103393553
>she's shown no signs of more merch drops
she said she's working on omocat plushie
Anonymous No.103395848
>>103388312
Well she did for a few years, but it kinda eats you watching your friend/co-workers work and maybe even expect something from you.
Anonymous No.103395983
>>103387185 (OP)
>>103387453
>>103387548
>>103387573
>>103387573
>started samefagging on cooldown because none took the bait
Anonymous No.103396269
>>103390092
>>103390597
Untreated ADHD can best be explained as such:

>You have a list of stuff that you need/want to get done today
>You blink
>It's now tomorrow and nothing was accomplished
Anonymous No.103396395
>>103390597
But enough about Ironmouse
Anonymous No.103396779
>>103387185 (OP)
>Why did she leave hololive?
I'm sure she would love to tell you all the reasons if she wasn't gagged by NDAs.