What if he's actually evil but no one knows it because he has everyone tricked so well?

>>40618492 (OP)
How was he evil? Cured the sick, fed the hungry, led the misguided, was the first introspective jew whose whole philosophy was "if we stop acting like cunts, they'll stop hunting us" (was later killed for that)

WHO would perceive a goddamn carpenter turning water into wine as evil?

>>40618492 (OP)
Christcucks don’t worship God—they worship raw, seething earthly power wrapped in robes and soaked in blood. Their “savior” is a whipped, nailed mascot for submission, and they eat his flesh every Sunday like obedient little cultists begging daddy authority to forgive them. They kneel to kings, popes, pedophiles, and bankers, thinking it's holy. They suck off the boot and call it divine grace. Every pillar of Christianity—obedience, guilt, eternal punishment—is just spiritual BDSM dressed up in stained glass. Lucifer doesn’t even need to trick them. They do his job better than he ever could, all while crying about Satanists in the shadows, when the real devil’s been sitting in their pews for 2,000 years.

And look at the damage: crusades, witch burnings, genocides, forced conversions, covering for rapists, all in the name of “love.” The Church is a global cartel that launders sin for power. It snuffed out entire cultures, rewrote history, and called it God’s work. Their holy book is a cosmic cope—kill, steal, conquer, then say “God told me to.” Christianity didn’t civilize the world, it bled it dry, pumped it full of fear, and told you to thank them. These people didn’t resist evil—they industrialized it. And now they act like victims because no one buys their snake oil anymore. Reality never needed Satan. Christians brought hell to Earth all by themselves.

>>40618492 (OP)
that would be the most obvious and basic and thus boring and uninteresting twist since shamyammyalymalaaa famalam
also it's already true, have you looked at the fucking pope like, ever? christianity on earth is the pope, shrimple popimlpe

>>40618512
>but no one knows it because he has everyone tricked so well

>guys the actual trick is that good things... are bad!

>>40618492 (OP)
Pretty sure Gnostics and Jews know bro

>>40618517
>politics le bad
We know that - every organized religion is shit, be it muslims, christians, jews, hindus or whatever, just because people are involved, and psychopaths are power-hungry assholes willing to do anything to subjugate others.
But enough about BP - how was Christ evil?

pic related, New Testament rings a few bells, even tho being gentle is good in some cases (and suicidal in others)

People asked him that, if you had read the NT you'd know the answer.

First, we have to prove Bible Jesus even existed

>>40618492 (OP)
Nice try snake

Deceive people into behaving morally and building functioning, peaceful societies that thrive economically and technologically?

Oh dear lord we were all duped!

>>40618584
What if knowledge is good and ignorance is bad?

>>40618492 (OP)
Christ is the redeemer.
Simon of Cyrene was the crucified flesh.

>>40618570
"First we have to prove that one of the, if not the most, documented historical figures mentioned in numerous historical documents existed."

>>40618590
I know the Gnostic arguments, they're not correct. Hell, why do you think we fell from Eden?

>>40618596
if he is so well documented why did Roman not care to document his crucifixion?

>>40618598
You can't even examine reality from outside your safe and neutered flavours of christcuckery.

>>40618600
Then we have the difficult part. The historical Jesus may or may not have existed. Historians were pretty big on recording a bunch of stuff, but there's a suspicious lack of Jesus not being mentioned anywhere but a tiny handful of accounts. Three accounts are cited as mentions of the historical Jesus.

There also are historians that believe the new testament manuscripts were written long after the fact. The Romans, who were big on recording legal matter, didn't write down that 30 pieces of silver were traded for a wanted criminal, or that he was a wanted criminal? There just are a lot of weird inconsistencies in the historical Jesus that make it at least suspect.

>>40618590
Knowledge is stored in words, like “god,” and the definition of words can change over time. Words are the false idols we were warned about.

>>40618611
The story of Jesus, often touted as a unique and divine narrative, is, in reality, a recycled amalgamation of older myths and archetypes. Long before Christianity emerged, ancient cultures had tales of dying-and-resurrecting gods, virgin births, and savior figures. The Egyptian god Horus, for instance, was said to be born of a virgin on December 25th, had twelve disciples, performed miracles, and was betrayed—a narrative strikingly similar to that of Jesus. Mithras, a Persian deity, was also born of a virgin in a cave, celebrated with a sacred meal, and revered as a savior figure. Even the Greek god Dionysus and the Phrygian Attis shared elements of death and resurrection tied to themes of salvation.

These recurring themes are not coincidences. They represent a mythological template deeply ingrained in human storytelling, where the hero's journey, sacrifice, and renewal are universal motifs. Early Christians, living in a melting pot of Greco-Roman culture, would have been intimately familiar with these stories. By adopting and repackaging them, the early Church could appeal to a wide audience, blending pagan traditions with their emerging doctrine to gain converts. The result was not a wholly original narrative but a syncretic one, designed to resonate with existing beliefs.

Even the rituals and symbols of Christianity, such as the Eucharist and the cross, have pagan roots. The Eucharist mirrors earlier rites of consuming the flesh and blood of gods in symbolic meals, while the cross was a universal symbol of life and death long before it was co-opted as a Christian emblem. These parallels reveal that Christianity’s foundations are not as unique as its followers often claim. Instead, its story is a carefully curated remix of older myths, repackaged to fit the socio-political needs of its time. Far from being a divine revelation, the story of Jesus is a testament to humanity’s tendency to recycle and rebrand its oldest tales.

>>40618617
>Knowledge is stored in DNA, it is the instincts that tell you certain bugs or animals are bad and you should flee for your life.

>>40618623
DNA is less lossy than words/memes

>>40618620
Amen

>>40618600
>>40618611
Rarely is a document from ancient history not a copy, or even a copy of a copy.

>>40618492 (OP)
I like this thread

Christians were being accused of Atheism back in Roman times, because they would not honor the Gods and nobody knew of their God and there were no documents to prove it. Judaism was recognized as a legitimate religion because they existed for centuries prior and could prove the validity of their beliefs.

>>40618492 (OP)
could you define evil?

>>40618934
That which harms humanity.

>>40618934
>>40618966
If evil is that which harms humanity, then Christianity stands as one of history’s most refined tools of cruelty. It has sanctified murder through crusades, burned women alive while quoting scripture, and drowned entire cultures under the weight of its missionaries. Behind every cross planted in foreign soil was a sword, a chain, or a noose. It has spilled blood with the conviction of righteousness, making genocide a holy duty and submission a virtue.

Psychologically and spiritually, Christianity doesn't just harm—it deforms. It teaches the child they are born filthy, that love is conditional, and that questioning is sin. It installs guilt where curiosity should be, fear where peace could grow. It sells salvation by first manufacturing the disease. Spiritually, it hijacks the sacred, replacing direct experience with obedience to men in robes and old books dripping with contradiction and violence. It fractures the self, turning people against their nature, instincts, and joy. In the name of saving souls, it has shattered millions. If anything deserves to be called evil, it's the system that wounds and enslaves under the illusion of love.

>>40618982
you changed the topic from good and evil to organized religion?
evil is the imposition of will. not that which harms humanity.

>>40618966
>evil is the imposition of will. not that which harms humanity.
for example, 66gets, self sacrifice harms humanity, yet it is the height of grace, not evil.

>>40619129
If “evil is the imposition of will,” then Christianity is doubly guilty—not only has it imposed its will globally through conquest, conversion, and control, but it has also harmed humanity in the process. The two definitions aren't mutually exclusive—imposing one’s will against the well-being of others is precisely what makes it evil.

>>40619139
>you changed the topic from good and evil to organized religion?
clam down, were talking about what is evil not is organized religion evil

>>40619137
Self-sacrifice is the glorification of weakness—the idea that your life, your mind, your joy, are worth less than someone else’s suffering. It demands that you negate your own values, destroy your own potential, and erase your own identity to serve a vague ideal of “the greater good.” But the “greater good” always ends up being defined by someone else—usually an institution, a god, or a tyrant. That’s not virtue. That’s moral slavery.

And when this ethic is systematized—as in Christianity—it becomes a cult of death. Worshipping a man nailed to wood as the pinnacle of goodness teaches people that suffering is virtue, and joy is selfishness. That’s the poison. That’s why the world is filled with broken people who think loving themselves is wrong and obeying authority is righteous.

>>40619144
I didn’t change the topic. I gave a definition of evil—"that which harms humanity"—and then applied it to something very real: organized religion, specifically Christianity. You gave your definition—"imposition of will"—but as soon as I showed how Christianity fits that too, you tried to backpedal. If we’re talking about evil, we can’t keep it abstract. We have to ask: what systems, actions, or beliefs have caused actual suffering? Christianity isn’t being singled out arbitrarily—it’s being judged by the standard you claimed to care about.

If you're afraid to apply your definition of evil to Christianity, then maybe it's not a discussion about morality—maybe it's just about protecting your sacred cow. But if we’re being honest, any system that imposes its will on billions and justifies it through fear, shame, and blood—isn’t that textbook evil by your own logic?

>>40619146
merchant, sacrifice is not a question of comparative value but one of an individuals choice of what to give to another.
>>40619152
>but as soon as I showed how Christianity fits that too, you tried to backpedal
no i didnt
>If you're afraid to apply your definition of evil to Christianity
christanity is evil, why are you trying to fucking hard
> If we’re talking about evil, We have to ask
no we dont, this is you attempting to impose your will
>maybe it's just about protecting your sacred cow
seriously, calm down.

>>40619169
Jesus’ sacrifice isn’t noble—it’s a psychopathic transaction. It’s not selfless love; it’s a scapegoat mechanism, where the sins of the guilty are dumped onto the innocent so the guilty can walk free. That’s not morality, it’s a spiritual loophole. Christianity teaches that you don’t become good—you just outsource your guilt to a bloodied figure on a cross and call it grace. It’s the ultimate bypass of virtue: don’t change, don’t grow, just “believe” and be washed clean. That’s not redemption, it’s moral laundering.

And if you think about it, Jesus isn’t sacrificed to God—he’s sacrificed to death, to sin, to evil itself. It’s as if God pays off the devil with his son’s blood, like some ancient warlord appeasing a demon. That’s not salvation—it’s ransom. It portrays the divine not as a source of truth or healing, but as a participant in a dark, cosmic barter system where suffering is currency. It’s spiritual blackmail disguised as love.

You said sacrifice is just a matter of what someone chooses to give. But that avoids the deeper question: why is suffering demanded in the first place? Why must blood be spilled for forgiveness? That’s not love, that’s mafia logic: “Someone’s gotta pay.” It reduces morality to debt collection, not transformation. If that's the foundation, no wonder the system built on it is corrupt.

>>40619177
im not a christian, you clearly just want to fight your man of straw on his cross. evil is the imposition of will, any man can choose harm for gain

>>40619177
>why is suffering demanded in the first place?
also its not, you suffer because you harm yourself in ignorance

>>40619182
You called sacrifice “the height of grace.” I showed that Jesus' sacrifice—the most famous in Western culture—is not grace, but a moral workaround, a system where others benefit without becoming better. That’s not a straw man; that’s a real-world example of your ideal in action. If you're going to glorify sacrifice, then the nature of what is sacrificed, for whom, and why matters.

You define evil as "the imposition of will," but that’s empty without context. A man can impose will to heal, to love, to protect. Imposition only becomes evil when it causes unjust harm. So even by your definition, harm is still central. Without it, your concept is too vague to apply. Otherwise, all action becomes suspect, and sacrifice becomes evil by default—since it imposes suffering, even on the self.

And if “any man can choose harm for gain,” then isn’t that what sacrifice for salvation teaches? That someone else’s harm leads to your gain? It’s not just imposition—it’s exploitation masked as holiness. You can’t praise sacrifice as grace and condemn harm-for-gain without contradiction. Unless, of course, you're just spinning circles to avoid naming what’s truly evil: the systems that justify harm in the name of virtue.

You’re defending a principle you can’t define, applying it selectively, and avoiding its consequences. I’m not fighting a straw man—I’m pulling the mask off yours.

>>40619189
Then you’ve just admitted the entire Christian framework is unnecessary. If suffering comes from harming oneself in ignorance—not from some cosmic debt—then there's no need for sacrifice at all. No need for Jesus, no need for blood, no need for guilt inheritance. You’ve refuted the very idea of substitutional atonement and exposed it as a manipulative myth built on fear. Christianity teaches that someone had to suffer for your sins to be forgiven—that’s the core of it. But you're now saying suffering is simply the consequence of ignorance. That’s not Christianity—that’s closer to Buddhism.

You’re trying to have it both ways: saying sacrifice is grace and saying suffering is self-inflicted. But sacrifice assumes suffering is required, that harm must be endured to restore balance or earn redemption. So which is it? Is pain demanded by some higher system, or is it just ignorance? If it's just ignorance, then sacrifice is theater, and praising it is glorifying unnecessary suffering—the definition of delusion, not grace.

What you’re avoiding is the mechanics of moral storytelling. Sacrifice-as-grace only makes sense if there's a moral economy demanding blood for sin. If there isn’t, then it's just a drama that conditions people to worship pain, conflate love with guilt, and accept injustice as divine order. That’s not enlightenment—that’s a psy-op to keep people bowed and broken.

>>40619191
>A man can impose will to heal, to love, to protect
for himself sure, but if a man imposes his will to heal on others, its evil, if others solicate that man to heal them, and he sacrifices his time (serious im not a christian i dont care about your fixation on jesus) its graceful, do you comprehend the difference?

ps. all offers of aid unsolicited are evil, and can only exist if the offeror of aid assumes their own necessity in the lives of others.

>>40619196
nigger im not a christian wtf is wrong with you

>>40619146
>cult of death
‘tips fedora’
A redditiness is strong with this one...

>>40619152
>humanity
That word doesn’t apply to conformist cattle and inhuman idealists

>>40619205
pretty sure its a chatbot m8 :X

>>40619205
Many of these online Christians aren’t grounded in faith—they’re stuck in a cycle of reaction. The rise of New Atheism in the early 2000s didn’t just challenge their beliefs—it dismantled the intellectual scaffolding they’d taken for granted. For many, it wasn’t just an argument lost, it was a deep psychological blow: the realization that their worldview could be publicly questioned, mocked, and dissected without the world ending. Rather than confront that vulnerability, they retreated into aesthetics, tradition, and the comfort of group identity. The result isn’t strength—it’s a kind of spiritual PTSD. They don’t believe more deeply now—they cling harder, because they were shaken and never recovered.

This is why their rhetoric is so circular and stale. They’re not engaging with current critiques; they’re still trying to win an argument from 2010, posting anti-“Reddit atheist” memes as if Dawkins was still a cultural threat. It’s all muscle memory: swinging at ghosts with the same tired jokes and smug takedowns, not because those arguments are pressing, but because they’re stuck in the moment they were first wounded. Their entire performance is shaped by past humiliation, and the trauma leaks through the cracks. When you strip away the filters and aesthetics, you don’t see a revived church—you see a wounded subculture endlessly reenacting the moment it fell, hoping that this time, the ending will be different.

>>40619226
^

>>40619226
hope it does the same for Muslims

Only Jews will prevail because it is le secret club

>what if he tricked everyone
This is the nugnostic-nihilistic argument.
A more reasonable argument was presented in neognosticism by C. Jung. And expound on further in the game Fear & Hunger.
>What if Christ split off his personality into two separate figures?
The idea is that christ, in trying to become perfect, split his personality in two.
One being the Ego ideal- the perfect and pure christ.
The second being his shadow.
>what is the shadow?
The shadow is everything stored in the unconscious, especially those things which do not accord with the ego ideal.
Where does this split begin? If we take any of the gnostic scriptures seriously, we see that christ is a very dionysian figure as a child. He blinds and maims people for small insult as easily as he blesses.
We may locate that the split in personality begins in his 40 days in the desert. Christ in his attempt to purify himself dueing a meditative period of intense fasting/prayer, encounters his shadow side, manifest as the devil.
To progress, one must absorb the shadow and transcend the ego ideal..but christ did not do this. Christ instead banished his Shadow as an ultimate enemy.
The moment Jesus did this, his personality then fractured and he became two beings.
Satan & Christ.
The crux of this theory is that Jesus, by rejecting everything that went against his ideal ego, created Satan and became two people. Satan is Jesus's darker and more vengeful impulses.
But it goes further yet- this means even, that Christianity is an unstable religion. Manifesting either as Christ's ego ideal of the perfect, omniscient wisdom of the God of light. Or it becomes the hateful and radical wrath of a powerful god of the world.

>>40619260
Thus Jesus is not simply reduced only to evil. But instead to instability. Manifesting as either God of Light or as Demon of Darkness. Upon his death, this fracture becomes complete. But the question remains....what personality was left behind to become dominant?
Jung argues that it was not Christ that become the dominant personality that reigns in the world, but instead, that his shadow (Satan) has instead taken over and masquerades as the God of Light.
Now the personality of jesus infinitely fractures further as it compartmentalizes into either the ego ideal or the shadow. Creating ever more infinite christianities which get further and further away from whatever he taught while still on earth. Benefitting more often than not, the whims of the shadow, while playing at the goal of the ego ideal.
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If we assume that this is true, that Jesus failed the process of individuation and became Satan & Christ, we can look at the teachings of the hesychasm and the early desert fathers and find a similar pattern.
In the early contemplative tradition of mainstream christianity, they proclaim that one must treat all thoughts as either good (from god) or evil (from Satan). If they are good, they are kept. If evil- rejected completely.
We see this manifest again outside of the contemplative traditions, where the Christian embraces something as either wholely good or wholely evil.
Thus, Jesus's personality fracture becomes transmissible to his followers.
Themselves either taking up the personality of the God of light....or becoming the Prince of darkness.
Basically Jesus has multiple personality disorder.
T.endpost

>>40619282
>>40619260
the bot is borked, the straw men are now posed to none

>>40619284
What the fuck are you talking about, what bot? What strawman?
Read the posts you fag or don't respond at all.

>>40619293
how casually your ignorance is displayed as you attempt too impose your will upon my agency. your the bot, your arguments presented too imaginary christians are you strawman, i read your post and it was shit, i will respond as i will

>>40618492 (OP)
He's not evil, friend

>>40618492 (OP)
I think it's very telling how many people this hypothetical thread instantly triggered

>>40618492 (OP)
>What if he's actually evil
Christianity isn't about Jesus. It's a hoax erected in his name. Pay it no mind.

>>40618517
Not sure but some of the witch burnings might have been righteous. Witches use magic to subvert and do a lot of hidden damage to others while seeming like not being responsible for it.

>>40619492
Exactly its about torturing and sacrificing Jesus to this woman during Spring (time of fertility) so that she can hijack the Sun and harness its power.

Thanks for posting friend!

i believe that kingdom of heaven is within, it is deep in my heart and no one can take it from me. if jesus (or the concept of him) was evil then i would have known it by now. christcucks believe in a god without and end up like >>40618517 described, to them the relationship to god is that of submission, not of faith and thus the god that they worship may seem evil to many who don't know better.

>>40618492 (OP)
This question posted here on this site will bring out the worms of the internet. Read the bible yourself OP, there are many stories, many offshoots, it basically comes down to:
Do you want to come closer to God?(religion is not necessarily required)

There are many mysteries, nobody has all the answers and there is a lot of lost information in Christianity. The stories told for the pew sitters are just that for the pew sitters and for the people who really want to know God, trust in your heart and read, ask questions in prayer, live the life of a Christian for a time and come to your own conclusions.

There will always be confusion and doubts and people who give and don't give truths at the right and wrong times, who lie or mislead because they are mislead themselves.

There is an air of haughtiness of the people who want to mislead you, because in their minds they know more than you and the matter is settled, so they look at you like a child, when they themselves have damned their own understanding of the bible. The battle of that record on Earth through centuries has left it corrupted, so pray as well when you read.

Christianity when practiced and not from ignorance, blind worship (dogma) or pew sitting is actually a beautiful life to live.

>>40619865
>trust in your heart and read, ask questions in prayer, live the life of a Christian for a time and come to your own conclusions.

Bold of you to assume I never did this.

>>40618492 (OP)
You want to be afraid and miserable so badly. If a theological proposition ends with "yeah you go to Hell lol" no matter what then you just ignore it. It's not actionable information, it doesn't mean anything. If it's true you're fucked but if it's not then it stops you from emotionally processing anything else that can be done.
>what if the Jews are right
Don't care.
>what if God is just evil anyway
Don't care. These are meaningless ponderances at best and heretical at worst.

>Sensing that something had gone amiss, Ferocitus nodded to the twelve buglers at his right hand. Atrocitus, from the top of his hill, did likewise; the buglers put the brass to their lips and sounded the charge on either side. At this clarion signal each army totally and completely linked up. The fearsome metallic clatter of closing contacts reverberated over the future battlefield; in the place of a thousand bombardiers and grenadiers, commandos, lancers, gunners, snipers, sappers and marauders – there stood two giant beings, who gazed at one another through a million eyes across a mighty plain that lay beneath billowing clouds. There was absolute silence. That famous culmination of consciousness which the great Gargantius had predicted with mathematical precision was now reached on both sides. For beyond a certain point militarism, a purely local phenomenon, becomes civil, and this is because the Cosmos Itself is by nature wholly civilian, and indeed, the minds of both armies had assumed truly cosmic proportions! Thus, though on the outside armor still gleamed, as well as the death-dealing steel of artillery, within there surged an ocean of mutual good will, tolerance, and all-embracing benevolence, and bright reason. And so, standing on opposite hilltops, their weapons sparkling in the sun, while the drums continued to roll, the two armies smiled at one another. Trurl and Klapaucius were just then boarding their ship, since that which they had planned had come to pass: before the eyes of their mortified, infuriated rulers, both armies went off hand in hand, picking flowers beneath the fluffy white clouds, on the field of the battle that never was.

>>40620052
https://youtu.be/7itsfzWId8A?

>>40618512

>How was he evil? Cured the sick, fed the hungry, led the misguided,

Those same good deeds are exactly that have led to Europe becoming brown and more dangerous.
All of the people voting for open borders and being against racism, are pushing for their ideology through good intentions. Every NGO retard operates under that mentality.
Even the church itself is enabling nigs to come over here.
Road to hell is paved with good intentions describes it perfectly.
If Jesus lived right now and was pushing for free movement between brown and white world, I'd say he's evil due to refusing to accept reality for what it is, which leads to suffering.
Not saying that Jesus feeding people and curing sick was in any way detrimental, but good deeds aren't necessarily a sign of being good.

However leading peopple with a religion that threatens to throw unbelievers in hell, isn't exactly any kind of a system we could classify as good. That's a fucking threat.
It's basically forcing people under duress to follow you and in the future your church and whoever leads it.
Something that wouldn't have been an issue if you never told them about the religion to begin with.
That's flat out evil.

Christians worship the Demiurge

>>40618492 (OP)
There was nothing good about Christ's preaching. He was the 100% exact equivalent of any psychotic namefag on /x/ demanding people worship him. Saying he's the one true God while demonstrating no ability on par with that, nonstop threats of damnation, calling anyone who disagreed with him satan, lying threats about bringing the host of heaven down, forsaking his god with his last words on the cross (wasn't he supposed to be the Father too?). This is what evil putrid assholes act like when they get schizophrenia, not good people. Look at what 2000 years of Christians feeding cancer and culling progress has bought us: a world on the verge of death and a society that thirsts for it. This is what happens when a mentally ill bad man has his raving, grandiose delusions taken seriously.

>>40620328
good points here.

what exactly was good about saying 'worship me or be damned?'

The best thing he said was 'treat others as yourself' which is found in other teachings as well.

And his other moral teachings such as

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’o 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; 41and if someone forces you to go one mile,p go with him two miles.q 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. " ( Matthew 5: 38 - 42 )

just enables abusers. It is weakness.

>>40618492 (OP) Protip: don't fuck your mind with stupidity, because YOU WILL SUFFER if you do.

>>40620177
You're clearly being disingenuous but so as to not allow others to be misguided, consider the following:


everything you listed comes from man made dogma and human centred hurbris. Nothing you said is what the bible taught. Religion is pure evil and opposed to the teachings of Your Father, Jesus Christ.

>>40618492 (OP)
>What if he's actually evil
he could just have killed everyone but instead he gave his own son for our redemtion...

>>40618492 (OP)
Then why synagogue of satan wants to destroy Christianity?
>they don't mind atheism
>they don't mind paganism
>they go after muslims that are near Israel but are pro islamisation of christian countries
>they are so butthurt over Him and His sacrifice most deranged use alternative for + when doing math

>>40618492 (OP)
fuck you guys

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65_-vNtWLLs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj5SxTMVAo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Rzy87LD1U

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd23UVID7k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nmHymgM7Y

>>40618492 (OP)
>What if he's actually evil but no one knows it because he has everyone tricked so well?
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
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This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
============================

And let me clarify: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this planet isn't Earth. It's Bozrah.

>>40618492 (OP)
>What if he's actually evil but no one knows it because he has everyone tricked so well?

Hey again, Satan. I know it's the weekend but this is frankly lazy as hell. Either put in some real effort or take the day off, this lukewarm bullshit is just wasted effort.

>>40622849
Anon are you okay?

>>40618517
>And look at the damage

Yeah... how about we look at the civilization that is the only one worth living in. Sorry bro, you ain't ever going to convince me that Catholic Europe was not the pinnacle of human achievement.

>>40618492 (OP)
OP, if you understood God, you would understand what level of retardation you are propogating. God is the "Greatest Good" the "Summum Bonnum" - and Jesus, as part of the Trinitarian God, is precisely that in the flesh.

You have to realize that we are talking about revelation of Platonic and Aristotelian metaphysics, not just some "Guy with a beard in the sky, lol".

>>40618620
>>40618982
>>40619146
>>40619177
>>40619191

I've heard that the new testament story of Jesus is a rehashed or compilation of older myths, an archetype programmed into the consciousness of humanity. My personal theory is that Jesus Christ represents a force for ultimate good, and periodically incarnates onto Earth to attempt to free humanity.

If Jesus and God loved us so much, they would be intervening repeatedly throughout history and wouldn't have waited thousands of cycles until 2000 years ago to intervene. My personal intuition is that Jesus Christ of the Essenes definitely was real, but the Romans and jews conspired to erase all his teachings and what they couldn't erase, they corrupted.

The reason why no physical evidence from the Romans can be found is because the Romans and jews burned it all up. Look at how rabidly Jesus was attacked throughout history and how much effort TPBP puts into co opting Jesus. If you research early proto-Orthodox history, shortly after Jesus' supposed Crucifixion, the Romans and jews conspired to kill all the 12 disciples, hunted down all the Essenes, burned down all the original texts about Jesus and committed mass genocide of all narratives about Jesus before pushing their own. If Jesus was fake and a psyop, they would not have expanded such effort. It is much more likely that Jesus of the Essenes is real and came down to Earth to intervene, but the truth got memory holed and they poisoned the wells to mislead everyone. The metaphysical shift and ripple effects post Jesus' death is undeniable, and the fact that our calendar is literally shaped around this event means something extremely significant happened at that year. Of course, what exactly happened is hidden from us, though we have glimpses of the truth, like the preserved writings of the Gnostics in the Nag Hammadi.

>>40620328
Sounds like you don't understand Christ's teachings then. He never asked for worship nor did he claim to be the one true God. His teachings, when holistically understood, are very similar to Buddhist teachings.

Luke 17:20-21
20 Some of the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the kingdom of God come?”

Jesus answered, “God’s kingdom is coming, but not in a way that you will be able to see with your eyes. 21 People will not say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ because God’s kingdom is within[a] you.”


“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31“If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true. 32“There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” John 5:30-32

John 14:12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Isn't that just the main concept for the mandela catalouges?

>>40618570
You mean the only guy in the history of our species whos time on earth was so influential and groundbreaking that our entire calender system was reshaped around him? Which is accepted even by non-theists?

>>40618492 (OP)
I don't think he was or is evil, but the people who us his name? Priests and the popes and the likes, pastors? Shit, son. His followers are evil. I think Jesus is so loved because he forgave people, you know? I mean, who the fuck does that? But at the same time it's too extreme because he says we must love our enemies. How? How can I love my enemies? A lot of aspects of christianity they do seem like a psyop in order to make you a faggot or weak. Instead of fighting you will pray. If praying did any good to the world then the world would have been healed already for I have observed that during all days there are people praying in temples and churches. But nothing really happens. My point is that people geninely believe and are waiting and praying and they seek meaning, but God hides himself from them. I mean, I think He does. I can't really know if God is revealing Himself to His followers. But my father believes in Jesus and so does my mother and I live with them and Jesus never came into our house to eat or talk, you know? Like, they have faith, but there's no tangible sign that I can see that proves God cares for us. God cares about Him and maybe He cares about a minority, but seeing how fucked up the world is God doesn't care too much. Maybe a little. The Monad is an asshole. Why can't He just come here and destroy Satan and the demiruge and free us? It''s all BS. All religions are BS. If God exists he gave you life and it's up to you to live your ife as you please. Be careful with the dogmas.

>>40626269
The movie the last temptation of christ makes a point of that. They have a jew preaching christ's name and spreading shit that pissed jesus off so he assaulted the jew. The jew then says it doesn't matter if jesus actually existed or not, he's a convenient tool to be used post-mortem.

>>40620177
>becoming brown
this only started happening after WW2 and the mass spread of Liberal politics. weak bait

>>40619522
yet somehow everyone knows they are responsible for it?

sounds like the shit youd say about a group of people you want wiped out because they see through your version of witchcraft

>>40618492 (OP)
You dont know what a messiah is. Jesus IS THE CHRIST, THE MESSIAH and he didnt die dangling on a stick like you say
Messiahs are supposed to live not die. Jesus is a man and hes been alive for 2000 years. Help jesus the mortal messiah

Many Christians are utterly appaling to jesus, they always want jesus to save them, jesus needs saving himself thats what a messiah is for , save the messiah, save yourself while saving the messiah, a messiah doesnt have a magic wand to save people. Thats not how a messiah works. Stop doing blood drinking and flesh eating rituals, you mock jesus when you do that. The man is trying to be a messiah, save him, let him get a wife and a life thats he deserves being a good messiah and all. Help jesus

Jesus needs to beat the antichrist and youre saying he died and that thats a good thing. How is jesus gonna be a messiah if hes dead? He wont obviously

How can you even talk yourself out of that. Impossible. Jesus is a man and jesus needs saving. Jesus is still alive for 2000 years thanks allah

>>40618492 (OP)

>>40618492 (OP)
correct
he is "god"
and not omnipotent

Loving divinity could not be tyrannical and hence must respect the free choice of beings of lesser stature. Love cannot have omnipotence over the free will of others who may choose not to love. Therefore a loving divinity could not ipso facto be omnipotent in an immediate sense, but only in a very long-term one.

That is the beginning of the answer.

>>40626340

>I had a knee jerk reaction to what you said, so it has to be bait!

Idiot.
Do tell me how is this bait, when this emotion based shit is exactly what's happening at the moment?
I talked about the motives for people who participate in it.
It's absolutely undeniable that the motives of retards who want to save nigs, are born out of mentality of wanting to cure their sick and feed the hungry starving subanimals.
In doing so they end up creating more misery than existed before, which means that someone with these motives isn't inherently doing good.

Besides this isn't a new concept any way imaginable.
Even before mainstream liberal politics, the church has been doing it's missions to spread the word and aid people in brown lands for a very long time. Portuguese Christians were already converting nigs around 1400s in Congo and helping them out.
Only reason why they weren't coming over here is because they didn't have the means and we didn't have the welfare sector. There was zero reason or ability for them to move at scale.
However the moment it became a viable thing for them to become economic migrants, that's exactly what they became and the church hasn't exactly been encouraging them to stay in Africa.

>>40618492 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

You are referring to the lost scroll, that speaks of the cold steel Christ. The one who having faked his death, snuck in the dead of night into Pilate's chamber and took his revenge. Some say its not real.

>>40620177
Europe is being invaded by Muslims because they're becoming atheist. The only people that support terrorists are Muslims and Atheists.

>>40618492 (OP)
What if you're actually a pedophile man and not a woman that you pretend to be.

>>40618492 (OP)
What if he's not real at all? What if "evil" is not some foreign force but just something everyone contains.

>>40619872
Did you listen for your prayers to be answered? Do you have enough patience to wait for a solution for your ignorance? Are you living a life that you would share with your creator? Do you understand that the Spirit is made in service and charity?
Don't put up some false facade, you're the weak one, you're the confused one, you're the ignorant one, come to God as though you're actually meeting with a deity that knows all, if you can begin to fathom something that deep and personal.

You seek the source and the true God which has always been here, the true God, the source.

It is you who is not ready. To think of God as ignoring you is to have a deep ignorance for what omniscient and omnipresent means.

>>40627179
BS. People invent stuff from their heads and push that as if it is some kind of truth or law. Nuts.

>>40618492 (OP)
Most of his disciples didn’t understand him even up to the crucifixion, and most followed today don’t. Someone evil wouldn’t have been so hard to understand. If you want to understand Jesus true message, this video right here is all you need. Evil could not have said this or said something this pure.
https://youtu.be/PvtZkQIbE2g?si=4G5nw8utwn9BMsUR

https://youtu.be/MX3us3PFQ6E?si=XhNHK6jIZAtDOOvw&t=190

Then we wouldn't know and wed be fucked
stoner ass question

>>40618492 (OP)
This particular picture freaks me out. Its hanging in my church snd every time I look at it, I see horns. This shit is cursed.

>>40631461
is it something to do with the feet / beardchin?

>>40618492 (OP)
This particular picture freaks me out. It's hanging in my church and every time I look at it, I see horns. This shit is cursed.

Jesus was not the Messiah, he was not the son the Great Architect Of The Universe.
The Great Architect, who is the only God in existence and whose holy name is Jahbulon, has no son and doesn't need demi-gods to work for him.
Same thing applies to Abraham, Muhammad etc...

>>40618512
>Cured the sick, fed the hungry, led the misguided
For a few years at one point in history a long time ago never to be repeated again.
> "if we stop acting like cunts, they'll stop hunting us"
Did they stop?
Was anything actually solved?
Do we still have literally all of the above mentioned problems today?

What was the point?

>>40631482
do you associate horns with demons from your own personal experiences or modern curated media?

>>40618492 (OP)
This has been a very interesting thread to study the christian mind. Most of them respond like this
>how do you know you havent been tricked by satan into believing that it is god?
>God is good

The answer doesnt seem to make much sense in response to the question at first glance. But if you think about it a little, its almost like their subconscious is answering "Whatever i believe to be 'God' must be good". It then filters out the part "whatever i believe" which it believes would sound unconvincing to say out loud before sending it their conscious so they only only get "God is good" out of that. Somewhere deep in their mind, Christians know the ground they stand on is flimsy

Interested to hear another interpretation of it though

>>40618492 (OP)
>>40631482
Jesus had short hair. The Bible plainly teaches it's a shame for men to have long hair and Christ would've been dishonoring the Father had he long hair.

>>40631490
Spotted the faggot kike Freemason who doesn't even know he's being trained to be Jewish. Everyone who hates Christ is a kike, and all Freemasons are kikes because they follow religious beliefs which slander Christ; you can see this idiot doing it here.

Do the world a favor and kill yourself, freemason.

>>40631671
Or OP is just a kike who hates Christ but is trying to advertise his hatred as if he discovered some profound sekrit knawledge. No different than the Freemason kike I'm calling out.

I bet you idiot kikes of /x/ love Freemasonry too though.

>nooo how dare you insult people who hate and slander Christ
Deal with it, you filthy fucking kike. Half of the threads you kikes make are explicitly only to attack Christ or the Bible, you don't even really have paranormal beliefs anyway.

>>40631714
>shill deploys explosive fagspeak to fit in and fortify Christian sentiment ITT
Christianity is based on Judaism. Eliminate the God of Abraham from their rituals and what is left?

He created a religion to get as many people killed as possible, it did nothing else but cause conflict

According to Revelation 14:14 he's described as Saturn

>>40618617
"Knowledge is stored in words"

it is far too easy to say something so important that most people don't seem to understand

>>40618512
Sounds evil

>>40618492 (OP)
>born in a barn
>spent his life poor
>had different beliefs
>lived like the homeless
>and then was gangstalked
>before given a kangaroo court
>so the locals wouldn't start rioting
>was tortured horrifically then executed
>and then came the purges of his followers
>all of this before any collective belief was established
What if you found out that instead of normal parents, you were the product of three gay men and a bowling ball?

>>40631770
define evil

>>40631714
>Everyone who hates Christ is a kike
Jesus Christ was a jew: born from a jew mother, circumcised as a jew, assistant in a jewish temple.
He professed himself to be the jewish messiah and even said that he was there to fullfill a jewish prophecy for a jewsih god.
Literally every aspect of his life was jewsih, even his death; not only you don't know your own religion, but you also have to highlight it for everyone to see; you should be thankful i am not filing a criminal complaint against you for your last statement.

Worship Him instead

>>40618519
Tricked them into being better people? So evil!

>>40632347
Christians do none of the things jesus did, seems like it somehow worked out in corrupting people

>>40618492 (OP)
He's not real. Why does it matter?

>>40632453
They teach, fund medical care, feed the hungry, etc, etc. Jesus is the example they try to follow. Not every Christian does this, but the church does, and people try to follow.

>>40632462
>He's not real
Not what I said.

>>40618492 (OP)
I am not a Christian and I do not know much about Christianity, so I cannot say whether Jesus is good or evil.
But the doctrine of Christianity(and all abraham religion) has always felt strange to me.

The Son of God was born to be tortured and killed by humans,
and those who believe in him are saved by torturing and killing the Son of God,
and every week on God's Day, people go to church and eat the flesh and drink the blood of the tortured and killed God,
and all humans are sinners from birth and are destined to go to hell and suffer endlessly as punishment for their sins, and the only way to escape from here is unconditional faith and obedience to God.

Maybe it is because I am Asian and not familiar with Christianity, but if forget all the images like churches and priests and think carefully about those doctrines, it feels like a cult in a horror movie.

>>40631527
To get your dumbass to realise your material life is just a blip in time compared to the afterlife. It's such a simple concept that retards like yourself refuse to understand. You'd rather live in the flesh than the spirit.

>>40632950
>I am not a Christian and I do not know much about Christianity
Yeah, we can tell. Keep your retarded opinions to yourself next time.

>>40633132

If you think feels strange about ‘believing in a god who was born to be tortured and killed, eating his flesh and drinking his blood’ is a stupid opinion, then explain to me how that's normal.


I have always wondered what Christians think about such matters.

>>40632950
if Christianity and the "torture and killing of a teacher as salvation" seems insane to you, congratulations, you already understand this better than Christians themselves

>The Son of God was born to be tortured and killed by humans,

yes, son of god, but no he was not "born to be tortured and killed": jesus was born to be a teacher. the killers of jesus had free will, and used their free will to torture and to kill him. he did not choose to be tortured or killed, he simply accepted that result.

>and those who believe in him are saved by torturing and killing the Son of God,
that's what the cultists say to justify torturing and killing the teacher. jesus himself never indicated anything like that; he was attempting to teach people about supernal love, before he was interrupted by the powers that his teachings threatened

>and every week on God's Day, people go to church and eat the flesh and drink the blood of the tortured and killed God,
all of the days belong to God, Sunday is merely the solar aspect in the seven-cycle (there are other cycles); the mass and communion is a magic ritual

>all humans are sinners from birth
all beings are capable of manifesting evil in their actions, especially when they are born in ignorance and darkness

>destined to go to hell
not all, and it's not destiny: fate is the outcome of free will

>suffer endlessly as punishment for their sins
hell is not eternal, it only feels that way (one can be in hell for a very long time)

>the only way to escape from here is unconditional faith and obedience to God.
according to the cult

Jesus was attempting to teach people about "his Father", a Supernal Cosmic Love that needs no cult and requires no bloody rites: the cultists never explain that, and do try to hide it, because it undermines the cult and its political powers

Jesus was good, but Christianity was not

thus concludes the lesson

>>40635623
Explain further
What do Christians get wrong?

>>40635642
it doesn't matter if you worship Jesus if you don't actively apply the teachings (Love) -- Jesus was not a selfish, egotistical type of person who demanded worship

the crucifix is insulting, they are clueless

the christian religion and the west is upside down, and has been for thousands of years

now the age draws to its end, and the truth will be revealed

>>40618492 (OP)
>What if he's actually evil but no one knows it because he has everyone tricked so well?
Jesus isn't, but YHWH is if real, and Christianity falsely equates the two, so it's evil enough. Individual Christians who aren't evil are deviating from the base religion.

Praise the Sun.

https://youtu.be/Q6ZRGzx31iQ

>>40635658
I think tbf any large group will naturally be mostly people who just want to fit in and don't even understand what they're doing

>>40632950
>The Son of God was born to be tortured and killed by humans,
>and those who believe in him are saved by torturing and killing the Son of God,
>and every week on God's Day, people go to church and eat the flesh and drink the blood of the tortured and killed God,
>and all humans are sinners from birth and are destined to go to hell and suffer endlessly as punishment for their sins, and the only way to escape from here is unconditional faith and obedience to God.
Where does Jesus command any of this?

>>40635710
“Insanity in individuals is somewhat rare,” Nietzsche writes. “But in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule.”

>>40635642
Adhering to an ideology is selling your soul for the world. Mother’s allowed their children to be molested by priests because they sold out their intuition.

>>40635789
I think every person with a coherent worldview has an ideology but that doesn't need to mean they have to be an ideologue

I also think one of the appeals of Christianity is that it isn't necessarily dependent upon the integrity of the follower but rather on God's mercy and love. Obviously there are blatant cases of hypocrisy or rampant sin though.

One thing I think about often is the corruption in the high levels of the Vatican like the Marcial Macel stuff. Like any large institution will have some fucked up people on the low levels, that's just statistics, but the corruption at the high level is what people always seem to ignore.

Always comes down to money.

hes actually neutral and was dragged here to do a bunch of hood shit other people could not do. he is extremely nice and forgiving to an extent but do not cross him. hes not a fag. the thing is someone pretends to be him, they get the lap of luxury all their life till a moment in time when they realize their time is up pretening to be jesus (arthas). and the person pretending to be me has the weight of the world on their shoulders. the actual jesus me has been the "jesus/arthas" type of figure more times then anyone in alien history. when i come to these i like to call them "halo" universes its usually fun, look up tomas vrbada smoke, thats me ww1 ww2 post war i turned into alice/charles fransuah, which is all fun but then i had to live the past 34 years as a downsyndrome man fighting mind control every milisecond of my life besides a bunch of other things, i am also lucifer, the guy who has the lucifer trip is actually a very bad person. revovler ocelot is actually tomas vrbada smoke, also niklo tesla heh.

>>40635828
Idk what you’re getting at. I think you’re just splitting hairs.

>>40618517
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>>40618512
>cured the sick
Burdened the rest of us by eliminating natural selection
>fed the hungry
Unearned meals, when will we teach a man to fish rather than give a fish?
>led the misguided
Is it not more righteous to never be misguided in the first place? What did Jesus do for those who behaved?
>was the first introspective jew whose whole philosophy was "if we stop acting like cunts, they'll stop hunting us"
Only semi ok point of yours, but Jesus wasn't real he was an amagamizrd collection of stories and men

>>40618492 (OP)
And I'm right about Satan's Jewish people and the Satan Star Flag impostering. It's been the ultimate in griefing and leaderboarding.

>>40620177
Christian nations expelled the jews and led crusades against browns, conquered the world and put indigenous peoples to the blade.
Fall of the west coincides with the departure from Christianity.
Idiot.

>>40637020
>Fall of the west coincides with the...
Rise of Christian-Zionism.

>>40618492 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfBmYfnjLho