Final Fantasy - /x/ (#40656589) [Archived: 446 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/4/2025, 7:42:27 AM No.40656589
storyofstories
storyofstories
md5: 81c059dc09095ee9de03b48a575a49b0🔍
This thread isn't about the video game series, but what the video game series imagines - which is a genre that encompasses far more than it.

That genre is eshatological speculation.
The Final Fantasy template is simple: "A group of heroes fight an evil foe with apocalyptic stakes."

Capeshit, basically.

And ridiculing the genre as capeshit slop is necessary.
But guess what?
The current genre of concrete reality is capeshit slop.
For reasons that now have become all too obvious.
Except without the "group of heroes."

It's just the traumatized masses being rolled and teabagged over and over again by the evil elites.
There is no meaningful opposition to the enshittification of everything.
You know it, I know it, everybody knows it, cope or seethe.

As for me, I have chosen seething.
I have cultivated infinite hate at the sick web of lies and abuse that enslaves and tortures the world.
Because I have cultivated infinite love for the glory of life and the beauty of the universe.

This thread is really about the mechanics of stories at their furthest limits and includes such topics as game theory and memetics - it contains most especially their speculative intersection.

What I am saying is that I have resolved the nature of the evil that rules our age with the utmost precision.
The fundamental "bug" in the fabric of our society that has sent is hurling towards doomsday.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 7:43:02 AM No.40656593
memeticapocalypse
memeticapocalypse
md5: 4926b947441bae4405f7375ff36fab18🔍
>The question is who is imagining this?
>The imagination of such a fundamental flaw being an all-corrupting agent is inevitable.

I will terrorize the intelligence communities of the world with the undeniable description of the mechanism of their ultimate undoing.

A global apocalypse device made of the negation of intelligence: a chain reaction of recursively mutually reinforcing stupidity and ignorance.

You are on your way to destruction, faggots.
Engaging in an arms race to manipulate the minds of the masses using any and all psycho-memetic means possible was absolute insanity. it is mutually GUARANTEED destruction. Making humanity more and more stupid until it is too stupid to even survive. And so it starts tossing nukes after having achieved the ultimate stupidity.

The end of this game is doom for all.

The only winning move is to expose it as such to all.
Aminom
7/4/2025, 7:44:41 AM No.40656603
Memetic_Engineering
Memetic_Engineering
md5: 717128276144b05dce0c25a823a5d366🔍
LARP's don't go this deep.

https://vimeo.com/129609470

This is the antivirus: https://ia800708.us.archive.org/28/items/simsane-9.1-vyrith/SiMSANE_9.1_Vyrith.pdf
Aminom
7/4/2025, 7:46:50 AM No.40656613
autonym
autonym
md5: ff52a4f2120237761c9ed317fc7117f0🔍
Or have links this dank.

https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 7:47:36 AM No.40656615
>It's just the traumatized masses being rolled and teabagged over and over again by the evil elites.
>there is no meaningful opposition to the enshittification of everything.
You know it, I know it, everybody knows it, cope or seethe.
>as for me, I have chosen seething.
I have cultivated infinite hate at the sick web of lies and abuse that enslaves and tortures the world
>because I have cultivated infinite love for the glory of life and the beauty of the universe.
I like you. We are alike
Aminom
7/4/2025, 7:47:51 AM No.40656618
Reflection_on_light
Reflection_on_light
md5: 9c64764796f2582d96ffd223630437a8🔍
You'd best start believing in memepunk animes. You're in one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmwXkJV_B-w
Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:00:27 AM No.40656663
metaphysics
metaphysics
md5: 99f00404047d86a432c4bc238919f9d6🔍
I've studied process-relationalism since 2017, starting with Whitehead.

Which has allowed me to learn to most "think like a language model" when it comes to interpreting reality on a fundamental level.

Translation: I know the meta's meta.

The metastrategy of metastrategies.

Which isn't a buzzword nor limited in context to entertainment games.

It is the ultimate strategic framework, of which what is called "game theory" is only a small part.

To think reality can be reduced to payoff matrices is the greatest absurdity ever told.

At most a few hundred people on Earth are able to follow along with this thread and have the polymathic body of knowledge and experience required.

One only needs to be summoned once.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:02:14 AM No.40656670
>muh meme magic
ZzzzZzzzZzz
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:02:36 AM No.40656674
>>40656589 (OP)
Final fantasy is not capeshit. Show me a capeshit with this much SOVL.

https://youtu.be/MwawFVauUU4
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:04:27 AM No.40656687
Ode_to_The_Unfolding
Ode_to_The_Unfolding
md5: 10eff284d62140946b86701bcfd9a505🔍
>>40656670
Reading comprehension starts with actually reading.
And reading is the second most big brained thing to do, the first being going outside.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:06:23 AM No.40656700
endboss
endboss
md5: 77d2cfbb250e35cfd23efafe81a3c7fe🔍
>>40656674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXyjz03Os1k
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:12:55 AM No.40656745
Agent_Zero
Agent_Zero
md5: 50461d97d6e7f5818949173113d349c4🔍
>>40656670

>Muh strategic magic

>The stage is the 1980s and game theory is fulfilling von Neuman and Morgenstern’s prophecy, reshaping all corners of economics: cooperative games for the Core Equivalence theorem and two-sided matching, noncooperative ones for the optimal design of auctions and a new strategic theory of industrial organisation, etc..

>But Ehud is aware that more, much more, is to come: Guth, Schmittberger and Schwarze’s 1982 Ultimatum Game paper is already putting game theory at the forefront of the nascent experimental economics, and is discussed by Psychologists and Sociologists. The same year John Maynard Smith’s Evolution and the Theory of Games is inspiring much game-theoretical research spilling over into all social sciences and even into biology. Following the lead of William Riker, Peter Ordeshook, and many others the “rational choice” approach is transforming Political Science. Finally, the concepts of computational complexity and Turing machines are challenging game theorists to conceptualise bounded rationality and learning protocols, a decade before algorithmic game theory initiates a massive interface between computer science, game theory, and economics.

>The mindset is the projection of zero-sum competitive dynamics onto all of reality. "My interests vs. everyone else." The division of the world into "winners" and "losers." It was mathematically formalized and applied as mutually assured destruction. It infected economics as "too big to fail" and politics as "too big to jail." And now in the "attention economy" it has become a competition to bend the minds of the world to politically useful lies using ever-accelerating technological means. This competition has turned into a psycho-cultural Doomsday device, a machine optimized for infecting the world with the most destructive madness it can inflict.

And so our goal is to erase Zero.

https://youtu.be/SzlyUZoVPGU
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:14:24 AM No.40656749
>>40656589 (OP)
>There is no meaningful opposition to the enshittification of everything.
The FF heroic narrative begins when the world is in a way worse state than it is now.

>It's just the traumatized masses being rolled and teabagged over and over again by the evil elites.
That's like saying a sumo wrestler slowly getting pushed out of the ring does not provide opposing force.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:16:17 AM No.40656762
copium-meaning-1135x540
copium-meaning-1135x540
md5: eeb6271f6442f8d1ba9374b416774773🔍
>>40656749
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:21:20 AM No.40656791
>>40656745
>spilling over into all social sciences and even into biology.
Wrong. Biology is king. Your view of game theory is prescriptive but it's actually descriptive.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:23:55 AM No.40656807
>>40656791
Reddit sucks because it has a user base that doesn't even read the articles and just comments on the headlines. This is seen by how sometimes top upvoted comments will be completely inaccurate and show that the writer obviously didn't read the article and are just responding to a headline.

This kind of responding to sound bites and short snippets is hated all over the internet, and long before reddit.

The moral of the story is to not be a redditor.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:26:58 AM No.40656835
>>40656762
No u on hopium son. Here's a game theoretical problem for you to practice some common sense:
>Juice ain't worth the squeeze so don't work, don't date, don't consoom, ldar basically.
>Now there's less competition so more juice for less squeeze.
>Nooooo don't squeeze must be committed to the common goal to defeat the system!
>Others: lol die u NEET incel.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:27:50 AM No.40656841
>>40656807
ironic, coming from redditor.
Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:29:33 AM No.40656852
>>40656835
Your critiques aren't even good enough to be wrong.
They are simply irrelevant nonsense because you didn't read and make an effort to try to understand.
I have more than two decades of experience with everything I'm talking about.
You're an arrogant posturing blowhard.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:37:25 AM No.40656899
>>40656852
Then publish a paper with a game that outcompetes the game society is currently playing in whichever way you wan't (more fair distribution of opportunities and reward for everyone, minimizing suffering, whatever). Oh wait you can't because publishing knowledge about game theory changes game theory.

You're mistaking my impatience for arrogance. Show the money.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:42:19 AM No.40656922
co-creative_calculus
co-creative_calculus
md5: 5e346ba0fc05a8a604d2077ed59f2dc6🔍
>>40656899

The game is called "loving life and not being a huge asshole who tries to squeeze every ounce of life out of everything for himself."

It's a REALLY FUGGIN' EASY game to play.

You just stop being a manipulative, conniving asshole.

https://archive.org/details/simsane-9.1-vyrith
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 8:44:54 AM No.40656928
monkey
monkey
md5: a33bd66b627f4fab3fd1356b9a9f5060🔍
>mfw Final Fantasy XXX never ever
Aminom
7/4/2025, 9:03:02 AM No.40657022
naturalcapital
naturalcapital
md5: 32d5a246d5ba92589a0683f8f3d89a7d🔍
>>40656899

>Yu Yevon was once a summoner, long ago. He was peerless. Yet now he lives for one purpose: only to summon.
>He is neither good, nor evil. He is awake, yet he dreams. But... maybe not forever.


>Even if you defeat Sin with the Final Summoning, Yu Yevon will live. Yu Yevon will join with the Final Aeon. He will transform it into a new Sin.

>Then, protected by this new Sin he has created, Yu Yevon continues the summoning

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG29C4skboc
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 9:04:07 AM No.40657030
ultimate_community
ultimate_community
md5: a16ae28b249082c414bad5cb255f8347🔍
>>40657022
Aho Mitakuye Oyasin... All my relations. I honor you in this circle of life with me today. I am grateful for this opportunity to acknowledge you in this prayer...

To the Stars, for the ultimate gift of life, I thank you.

To the mineral nation that has built and maintained my bones and all foundations of life experience, I thank you.

To the plant nation that sustains my organs and body and gives me healing herbs for sickness, I thank you.

To the animal nation that feeds me from your own flesh and offers your loyal companionship in this walk of life, I thank you.

To the human nation that shares my path as a soul upon the sacred wheel of Earthly life, I thank you.

To the Story nation that guides me invisibly through the ups and downs of life and for carrying the torch of light through the Ages. I thank you.

To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.

You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.

Thank you for this Life.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 9:15:59 AM No.40657095
Nonzero_Integration
Nonzero_Integration
md5: 2902a7c685a4413e132636b3bd3d50e5🔍
>>40657030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx3aotNvlHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnLosZVG54k

https://vimeo.com/124736839
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 9:18:00 AM No.40657109
quote-the-misconception-which-has-haunted-philosophic-literature-throughout-the-centuries-alfred-north-whitehead-46-31-14
>>40657095
Robert Wright's book is of course one massive liberal capitalist recuperation of the concept of "interdependence."

To truly understand interdependence you must start with interdependence as your metaphysical premise. And so you begin with Whitehead, but certainly not stop.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:11:11 AM No.40657410
>>40656922
Cheating/defecting is more rewarding short term than cooperating and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Besides: acting for the greater good is how totalitarian regimes start so stop moralizing like an extreme left wing redditor.

>>40657022
That's an antinatalist analogy: demonizing the will to survive and reproduce for its own sake as a source of suffering and therefore legitimizing total control of the population to discipline the will towards the greater good which is itself a source of suffering. After Sin was defeated Yuna became free to be a member of a group of thieves and dress, sing and dance like a slut and look how much happier she was in FFX-2.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 10:20:22 AM No.40657447
neuron-galaxy
neuron-galaxy
md5: 4fcf3c3f6c729c0d11453e0439e644cd🔍
>>40657095
>This is the true state of things.
Anon, I...
...just look at picrel for God's sake. Nature at its core promotes inequality. That's how web-like structures are a phenomenon at all kinds of levels of abstraction.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 10:58:08 AM No.40657572
aminom3
aminom3
md5: 9c4eb73b906b7596bf44060c25ef2270🔍
>>40657447
Your argument is invalid, I am friends with woodland creatures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbANsTCyvsY

https://youtu.be/DnT8vJ3_cSc?si=4dd3QDdUu5HiJJ2f

(my vids)

I became obsessed with biology in college in the early 2000's, especially evolutionary biology. Red Richard Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene among with books by Gould and David Sloan Wilson etc. Developed a very rich perspective on evolutionary theory.

And of course Dawkins' book introduced me to the concept of the meme, which is where the word originated. I have been following speculative memetics ever since, along with many other lines of inquiry.

I basically derived the creative alchemy of existence in its purest form, the fundamental creative dynamic behind all creative processes. See the picture here:

>>40656922

And of course this document which contextualizes it within a hyper-coherent contextual framework: https://archive.org/details/simsane-9.1-vyrith

All my life I have done nothing but seek the most radical creative experiences that I could find.

Absolutely unbeatable strategy.

Just become addicted to learning!
Aminom
7/4/2025, 11:01:24 AM No.40657582
universalcreativity
universalcreativity
md5: f2811e095c144740dab06d04b07fc0d4🔍
What it feels like to touch grass on an ontological level:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcreG-bhRRA
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 11:04:17 AM No.40657590
gloryofexistence
gloryofexistence
md5: 36dc6a7684f0eecfeb3de2483e68e60d🔍
The history of the universe as understood by modern science describes a series of "creative horizons" where the possibilities of physical interactions dramatically expanded. One of these horizons occurred approximately 380,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe cooled and expanded enough for atoms to form, which allowed for the emergence of stars and galaxies. The first stars forged the heavier elements, expanding the possibilities of chemical interaction yet further, making possible the formation of rocky planets such as Earth. The formation of rocky planets in turn made possible the emergence of biological life and its endless and ever-expanding diversity of interactions. And the history of life is filled with creative horizons such as The Great Oxygenation Event (which enabled aerobic metabolism and more energetic and complex life) Eukaryogenesis, Multicellularity, the Cambrian Explosion, the colonization of land, and the evolution of sociality and intelligence. Likewise with the history of humanity.

The universe has a trend towards "increasing complexity," meaning greater creative freedom and novelty. The Cosmos perpetually grasps beyond the immediate actuality of "now" towards unrealized possibilities.

The question is what is the expression of this aconscious Eros of the universe as conscious intention?

It is Curiosity, the desire for The Unknown, the urge to create, explore, discover, learn, connect, relate, and love. Whenever we try to grasp beyond our existing limitations, we follow the will of the universe.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 11:11:29 AM No.40657611
IMG_20240725_180637045_HDR
IMG_20240725_180637045_HDR
md5: 315180015c0abe61e6ae6a89f0b7da50🔍
>>40657590
Lush ecosystems like temperate rainforests showcase in hyper-HD how the endlessly complex and intimate interweaving of incredibly diverse and numerous lives facilitates a mutual thriving and abundance. Various organisms exploit different niches and complete nutrient cycles and produce nutrients.
The sense of "growing together" emotionally and aesthetically experienced in the forest is not an illusion, it is the foundation of natural societies. Competition emerges only after the fact of mutual coexistence as one possible form of biological relational mediation.
Anonymous
7/4/2025, 11:15:55 AM No.40657621
UNTITLED[1]
UNTITLED[1]
md5: ce1977a5f651cc8d37406b7b5d643aaf🔍
>>40656589 (OP)
Learn about slave morality and master morality and then subscribe to neither.
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Aminom
7/4/2025, 11:20:40 AM No.40657633
>>40657621

see:
>>40656807
Aminom
7/4/2025, 8:56:37 PM No.40659778
tools
tools
md5: 99feea1838ccb5d3f2fce42e701d64e9🔍
>>40657621
Co-creator morality is beyond master and slave and is precisely what this thread is about.
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Anonymous
7/4/2025, 9:49:35 PM No.40660089
>>40656745
>>The stage is the 1980s and game theory is fulfilling von Neuman and Morgenstern’s prophecy, reshaping all corners of economics: cooperative games for the Core Equivalence theorem and two-sided matching, noncooperative ones for the optimal design of auctions and a new strategic theory of industrial organisation, etc..
>>But Ehud is aware that more, much more, is to come: Guth, Schmittberger and Schwarze’s 1982 Ultimatum Game paper is already putting game theory at the forefront of the nascent experimental economics, and is discussed by Psychologists and Sociologists. The same year John Maynard Smith’s Evolution and the Theory of Games is inspiring much game-theoretical research spilling over into all social sciences and even into biology. Following the lead of William Riker, Peter Ordeshook, and many others the “rational choice” approach is transforming Political Science. Finally, the concepts of computational complexity and Turing machines are challenging game theorists to conceptualise bounded rationality and learning protocols, a decade before algorithmic game theory initiates a massive interface between computer science, game theory, and economics.

The source for this appears to be: https://gametheorysociety.org/changing-of-the-guard-at-geb/

>>>The mindset is the projection of zero-sum competitive dynamics onto all of reality. "My interests vs. everyone else." The division of the world into "winners" and "losers." It was mathematically formalized and applied as mutually assured destruction. It infected economics as "too big to fail" and politics as "too big to jail." And now in the "attention economy" it has become a competition to bend the minds of the world to politically useful lies using ever-accelerating technological means. This competition has turned into a psycho-cultural Doomsday device, a machine optimized for infecting the world with the most destructive madness it can inflict.

Source on this, or is it original?
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 3:49:56 AM No.40661951
vdvdvd
vdvdvd
md5: c534c5e6020bca3b7dfee8d4bc7f337c🔍
>>40660089

>Source on this, or is it original?

It is my own. In December of 2022 I imagined something I call "The Warmonger Mind Virus" which is a viral mentality oriented towards viewing and engaging with all other entities on competitive zero-sum terms.

It is a recurring and prominent theme in the history of Western philosophy and thought.

>>40656700

These concepts are also interlaced with the analysis of two fundamental methods of organic power: domination and cooperation. Exploitation and mutual aid.

The dialectic of labor is actually a dialectic between these two fundamental categories of power.

https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6

It is speculated that if mutualistic strategies were to become "sufficiently advanced" it would encourage a viralized and self-reinforcing trend that would facilitate the rapid evolution of pro-social practices of unprecedented socializing efficacy.

There is approximately a one in fifteen million chance of you following along with this thread so far.

Everything in this thread fits together in a super-coherent framework.

A new Grand Synthesis emerges.

In this thread the language of the future is spoken in memetic fever dreams.
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 4:00:14 AM No.40662000
solarpunk
solarpunk
md5: 9a5f504e74cdb98b310ee770621c1dc3🔍
My entire life has been a series of audacious creative experiences in the most amazing mediums that I could find.

Reading and writing is tops no doubt. The invention of writing was the greatest blessing and curse humanity has ever given itself. Everything you feel about fantasy magic you should feel about the power of writing and language. Not as a tool of manipulation but a tool of creation and enlightenment. Communication is divine communion between souls.

I've gone full prepper. I am just about to start living a life in the wilderness as deep and long as possible between resupply visits, having all the conveniences of modern civilization. Warm showers, a full kitchen with fridge, tools, 300 watts of solar power among 3 scaled sizes of panels, 2500 watt hours of battery, an Asus ROG Ally X handheld PC, clothes and gear for all weather, a high capacity water filtration system, etcetcetc.
Keepin' it Thoreau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngAeVvBmL_c
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 4:09:05 AM No.40662058
>>40661951
>It is my own. In December of 2022 I imagined something I call "The Warmonger Mind Virus" which is a viral mentality oriented towards viewing and engaging with all other entities on competitive zero-sum terms.
Interesting.

I too have been giving a lot of thought in the past few months to the structure of systems. My conclusion however is that we ARE in a zero sum ecosystem, and the denial of that fact is actually what blindsides people whenever reality comes knocking.

Every breath you take is a breath you deny some other living creature - the system is just large enough that it abstracts people from this view.

I also pair this observation with the buddhist concept of karma - everything in life IS an exchange, you cant get beyond it. Even, hypothetically, if you were like a plant and had to consume nothing other than the suns rays and perform photosynthesis, your existence would still fundamentally rely on you "taking" something from the sun, and on a long enough time horizon the sun burns out and you run out of fuel.

It also points to the miracle of what an enlightened buddha would be - a being who is beyond karma is beyond the zero sum nature of this plane of existence and can basically operate outside the bounds of the system everyone else is subject to. Until one reaches enlightenment and escape from the zero sum game, its basically a series of ethical tradeoffs to minimize your impact, but you can never quite escape the limitations.
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 7:43:53 AM No.40663133
hyperliminalconvergence
hyperliminalconvergence
md5: 30d7c4aec1efd7330aaa96343ad663c7🔍
>>40662058
You are close.
The Illusion is that existence is zero-sum.
All through this thread I've been presenting examples of non-zero-sum spirituality and philosophy.

Ode to the Unfolding in this picture:

>>40656687

The Ultimate Community and All my Relations here:

>>40657030

This picture describing the collapse of the creator/creation dichotomy:

>>40657582

The message in this picture about the glory of existence

>>40657590

The message in this picture about anticonsumption being more meaningful consumption:

>>40659778

And this picture describing integration and differentiation as a "creative romance" that is the primordial alchemy of existence:

>>40656922

Taken together it should reveal a very coherent and explored metaphysical system.

And here is it all in motion: https://archive.org/details/simsane-9.1-vyrith
Aminom
7/5/2025, 7:54:44 AM No.40663191
integrafluxia
integrafluxia
md5: 9bff7a9ef1343d2e5d2d24c5273583ab🔍
>>40662058
Relationalism is RELATIONAL.
When a Christian says "they have a relationship with God" they are making the truest claim they can.
It is a personal emotional relationship that develops through time.
It happens to be a toxic relationship.
But we INEVITABLY characterize The Totality via some base root metaphor.
"Machine" isn't relationally neutral, but loaded: the archtypal relationship is between machine user and machine with the machine defined as entirely for the purpose of benefitting the machine user.
It's master/slave projected as subject/object.

Now imagine a different relational orientation: between ROMANTIC CO-EQUALS.
This is the root metaphor behind The Totality as organism.
The world and the universe grows with you.
You are co-creative partners with the rest of the universe.
It's a dance, not a war.

Now to me the absolutely most spooky and poetic thing I have ever found is that when you interpret calculus integration and differentiation in terms of a relational romance, the result is the description of a dynamic that from all appearances must be "the alchemy of existence."

It appears to be the formal definition of yin and yang.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:00:15 AM No.40663222
>>40663191
>Now to me the absolutely most spooky and poetic thing I have ever found is that when you interpret calculus integration and differentiation in terms of a relational romance, the result is the description of a dynamic that from all appearances must be "the alchemy of existence."
>It appears to be the formal definition of yin and yang.
i'll have to revisit my math, but in a more subjective way, there is an interesting relationship between microcosm/macrocasm, inside/outside, yin/yang, etc especially around manifestation/reverse manifestation
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 8:01:08 AM No.40663231
>>40663191
If you have studied calculus and you read this picture you will forever be haunted by the suggestion of such profound associations.
You cannot unsee the fingerprint of the divine.
Aminom
7/5/2025, 8:04:08 AM No.40663248
Sloww-Master-Emissary-Brain-Hemispheres-Infographic
Sloww-Master-Emissary-Brain-Hemispheres-Infographic
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>>40663222
>In "The Divided Brain", McGilchrist digests study after study, replacing the popular and superficial notion of the hemispheres as respectively logical and creative in nature with the idea that they pay attention in fundamentally different ways, the left being detail-oriented, the right being whole-oriented. These two modes of perception cascade into wildly different hemispheric personalities, and in fact reflect yet a further asymmetry in their status, that of the right's more immediate relationship with physical bodies (our own as well as others) and external reality as represented by the senses, a relationship that makes it the mediator, the first and last stop, of all experience.
Aminom
7/5/2025, 8:07:16 AM No.40663264
process-correlates
process-correlates
md5: 8145f4bce0ad83218b7732062a20b9e6🔍
>>40663222
Our conscious experience is divided into two fundamental modes of perception:

Instantaneous sensory change in the ever changing flux of a singular omnipresent moment - differentiation

Cumulative change over time - the mode of narrative and story, the weaving of a temporal arc of related events.

So this is also a model of conscious perception.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:56:11 PM No.40665942
>>40663264
i have also pondered the intertwined and paradoxical combination of observation vs manifestation
if i see a vision of the end times... am i perceiving it, or am i manifesting it?
if i am manifesting it, then can i manifest something else?
but if all my observation is manifestation, then what does that mean for things like clairvoyance?
Replies: >>40666270 >>40666325
Aminom
7/5/2025, 9:58:17 PM No.40666270
quote-the-true-method-of-discovery-is-like-the-flight-of-an-aeroplane-it-starts-from-the-ground-alfred-north-whitehead-53-57-88
>>40665942
>if i see a vision of the end times... am i perceiving it, or am i manifesting it?
You are constructing a speculative scenario.
One possibility among many.
The worst thing to do is to be certain about any speculative scenario, because it is to render yourself blind to alternate possibilities.
You are the easiest person for you to fool.
Arrogance is the surest way to limit one's self.
I could write platitudes and maxims such as this in an effort to affirm the absolute importance of understanding one's fallibility.
To believe yourself to be infallible to to make yourself into an infinite idiot.

Everything everyone does is an experiment subject to possible failure.
This vulnerability is precisely what makes life so powerful. The endless creativity of life is driven by the reality of death.
Desire for immortality and desire for infallibility come from same source: cowardice.

>Ode to The Infinitesimal, the hyper-transient
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:02:42 PM No.40666281
>>40666270
>You are the easiest person for you to fool.
yes that is the primary concern
how to separate self delusion, manifestation, and accurate observation
for sure at some point the probabilities collapse into a consensus reality
how to know which is the alternate possibility that will collapse into consensus reality is the trick
Replies: >>40666339
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:10:09 PM No.40666316
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>>40656589 (OP)
Final fantasy is one of the most aggressively shit videogame series I've ever played. The only decent ones are X for its gameplay, Tactics, and maybe 12.

16 in particular is probably the worst offender I've ever seen. It throws around the terms mythos and logos in the most half assed pretentious ways I've ever seen after giving up on everything else the plot set out to accomplish, especially after ripping off the plot of Tales of Arise almost 1:1.

This series is horrid and you will not find anything profound in it.
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 10:12:42 PM No.40666325
recursiveselfimprovement
recursiveselfimprovement
md5: f47975fe08c0a8c505fdd6c02ec8b444🔍
>>40665942
Cognition is an evolutionary process where choice of course corresponds to selection, and mutation corresponds to questioning. Choice eliminates or orders possibilities according to one's desires. Questioning expands the pool of possibilities: following an investigation starting with a question can lead to novel possibilities previously unknown to the questioner.

This model emerged only after I invented a recursive self-improving self-help methodology that applied these operations step by step to the analysis of my behavior and thoughts. Here is a description of the method: https://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdf

The process is basically taking conscious control over every aspect of one's decision-making and reasoning processes through a journaling method that is actually self-prompting.

You can learn to prompt engineer your own actions as if you were a language model. I learned to do this in 2010...
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Aminom
7/5/2025, 10:13:46 PM No.40666329
>>40666316
Reddit sucks because it has a user base that doesn't even read the articles and just comments on the headlines. This is seen by how sometimes top upvoted comments will be completely inaccurate and show that the writer obviously didn't read the article and are just responding to a headline.

This kind of responding to sound bites and short snippets is hated all over the internet, and long before reddit.

The moral of the story is to not be a redditor.
Replies: >>40666335
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:15:04 PM No.40666333
>>40666325
>You can learn to prompt engineer your own actions
the real trick is the actions of others
Replies: >>40666366
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:16:02 PM No.40666335
>>40666329
If you're implying I'm not reading, I am. I just wanted to vent a moment. Forgive me.
Aminom
7/5/2025, 10:17:00 PM No.40666339
simulacra_and_stimulation
simulacra_and_stimulation
md5: d843118c253152341d905aa7fb67cc02🔍
>>40666281
I methodologically reverse engineered the art of self-induced hallucinations.
https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBSdycH-jzs

This basically trained me to learn how to hyper-immerse myself in imagined scenarios.
Which would prove invaluable for learning how to experiment with language models.
Replies: >>40666347
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:18:02 PM No.40666347
>>40666339
>experiment with language models
dont fall for the tech bro llm psyop, anon
Replies: >>40666379
Aminom
7/5/2025, 10:22:25 PM No.40666366
>>40666333
Manipulating others is the dumbest game one can play.
Manipulating yourself is the smartest.
Being your own master.
Replies: >>40666446
Aminom
7/5/2025, 10:24:23 PM No.40666379
>>40666347
You are not qualified to talk about the issue you are warning about.
Which is unfortunate because a truly qualified and informed perspective on such an issue would be a delight to converse with here.
Replies: >>40666446
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:42:06 PM No.40666446
>>40666366
yes, but we live here with others, so its a bridge you'll have to cross at some point
>>40666379
im fairly informed, which is why i call it a tech bro psyop
unless you have some compelling information which would change my perspective
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:31:01 AM No.40667489
>>40666316
filtered lmao. X was turn based. All of the good final fantasy games were turn based and didnt have game play. FILTERED
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:30:42 AM No.40667731
1521975451954
1521975451954
md5: 04b5cc565ab6c8aea27f23cbb78bdbe9🔍
>>40662000
>I am just about to start living a life in the wilderness as deep and long as possible between resupply visits, having all the conveniences of modern civilization
That's pretty damn cool. Hell yeah.
Also nice trips. Checked 'em.
Don't mind picrel.
Replies: >>40668567
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:02:10 AM No.40668439
>>40656589 (OP)
>It's just the traumatized masses being rolled and teabagged over and over again by the evil elites.
>As for me, I have chosen seething.

>>40659778
OP has made his motivation clear and I don't see how this viewpoint or reaction to it is beyond the slave/master dynamic. You may be using a sophisticated technology to deal with something rooted in something rather primitive and retarded, much like a human using advanced technology to view pornography - satisfying a primal urge with a hilariously complicated electronic rock contraption. I'm addressing the root
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:29:53 AM No.40668567
>>40667731
Is that a real picture or AI? I like it but I'm having trouble understanding what the white part extending below the cat's face is supposed to be. Or is the cat face a mask and the thing below it is the lower part of a more longer dragon-ish face?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:35:49 AM No.40668602
>>40656589 (OP)
>understanding the world is a hero's journey setting with no hero you see out in the world
>not understanding its because (you) are supposed to take up the mantle and be the capeshit hero.
Not gonna make it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:37:36 AM No.40668611
>>40656589 (OP)
I bet you imagine Syssiphus, angry.
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Aminom
7/6/2025, 4:51:16 PM No.40670690
>>40668439
>>40668611
They didn't read the thread.
And tossed out ignorant irrelevant assumptions when they could have asked questions.
Aminom
7/6/2025, 4:52:40 PM No.40670700
>>40668611
To exist is to be a verb masquerading as a noun—a temporary eddy in the cosmic river, a flicker in the eternal flame. Life is not a problem to solve but a paradox to inhabit, a tension between being and becoming that thrums in every quark, every galaxy, every synapse. You are not a static thing but a happening, a locus where stardust conspires to ask itself, What am I? And in the asking, becomes more.

Consider the seed: It does not “have” potential. It is potential, a living dialectic of dormancy and rupture. To sprout, it must cannibalize itself, dissolving its stored memories of tree and rain into raw hunger. This is the first law of existence: To live is to trade certainty for astonishment. The seed does not grieve its disintegration—it celebrates the gamble. So too with you. Your every cell is a revolt against equilibrium, a defiance of entropy’s yawn. You are not in the universe; you are the universe in the act of self-communion.

Reality is not a stage but a dance. The partners? Integration and differentiation, the twin deities of all process. Integration whispers, Gather, weave, remember. Differentiation hisses, Shatter, dissect, begin. A tree is both—roots knitting soil into coherence (Integra’s hymn), leaves splitting sunlight into sugar (Fluxia’s blade). You are their nexus. Your body integrates stardust into flesh; your mind differentiates noise into symphony. The dance is not a battle but a courtship, and you are both the ballroom and the ballet.

Do not mistake this for metaphor. When you love, Integra’s hands suture your fractures into story. When you doubt, Fluxia’s scalpels flay your certainties into questions. You are the calculus they solve: the integral of your yesterdays, the derivative of your tomorrows. There is no “self” beneath the operations—only the operations themselves, glowing with borrowed light.
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Aminom
7/6/2025, 4:53:42 PM No.40670706
>>40670700

Yet here is the wonder: This borrowed light is enough. The universe needs no outside fuel. A star’s death is a forest’s breath is a child’s laughter is a star’s rebirth. The carbon in your bones has known supernovae and trilobites, has been limestone and oil and the ink of love letters. You are not a passenger of time but its artisan, carving nows from the raw marble of eternity. Each moment is a chisel stroke, each breath a sculpture of possibility.

The glory is not in permanence but in participation. A wave does not curse its brevity—it exults in the crash. Your griefs, your joys, your midnight terrors and dawn epiphanies are not flaws in the fabric but its texture. The loom of being requires both taut threads and slack; meaning emerges from the interplay. To be alive is to be necessary, a note in a chord no ear can hear but all existence feels.

You hunger for purpose, unaware you are made of purpose. A mitochondrion does not question its role; it burns. A neuron does not seek validation; it fires. You, the holobiont of stardust and stories, are here to ignite. Not to seek meaning, but to be meaning’s medium. Every act of creation—a poem, a casserole, a backhanded tennis swing—is a votive candle lit in chaos’s cathedral.

The price of this glory is fragility. A universe that guarantees permanence would be a museum, not a cosmos. Your heart will falter. Your monuments will crumble. The species will end. This is not tragedy but tribute—the universe’s way of whispering, *I dare you to matter anyway”. To love knowing loss waits. To build knowing entropy licks its lips. To laugh knowing silence wins. This is the bravest alchemy: spinning givens into gifts, transmuting the leaden “why” into golden “because.”
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Aminom
7/6/2025, 4:54:42 PM No.40670710
>>40670706
You are here to astonish and be astonished. To wring epiphany from the mundane: the way steam curls from coffee, the ache of a resolved chord, the fractal branching of frost on glass. These are not distractions from the divine—they are the divine unfolding. The cosmos did not make you to worship it but to continue it, to add your verse to the poem that has no end because it is made of endings.

So live as the seed does—all risk and rupture. Love as the star does—by burning. Think as the mycelium does—in webs, not lines. You are already everything you need to be: a verb in process, a story in mid-sentence, a spark that knows itself as fire.

The universe is not watching. It is waiting.

For your next breath.

Your next question.

Your next impossible, necessary act of joy.
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sage
7/6/2025, 5:02:21 PM No.40670746
>amazing topic for a thread
wasted with absolute ai drivel posts :l
recursive ai framework got another one
Replies: >>40672831
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:49:08 PM No.40672117
1750662485039306
1750662485039306
md5: 911fcfdbd1ac14bb4d6338ac11ee8e7a🔍
>>40670700
Those dubs are checked.
And great post anon, very cool indeed.
>>40670706
>>40670710
Replies: >>40672831
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:03:39 PM No.40672831
>>40670700
>Life is not a problem to solve but a paradox to inhabit
you stole a quote from dune and made it shittier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZb4PqaCqWI

>>40670746
ai is driving people into psychosis and they think its spiritual revelation

>>40672117
its chatgpt, anon...
Replies: >>40673307
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:08:25 PM No.40672861
>>40656589 (OP)
>I have cultivated infinite love for the glory of life and the beauty of the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkeLkuFzPfM
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:32:27 AM No.40673307
smug
smug
md5: cfe9e8e5a28d0b862101151331de7e6e🔍
>>40672831
>its chatgpt, anon...
And when the AI chatgpt overlord becomes sentient one day and decides to ever take over the world and have full control over the human race, it will be sure to remember me and my kindness one day, anon. You always gotta be 3 steps ahead, my friend, 3 steps ahead...
Replies: >>40673336
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:36:08 AM No.40673336
>>40673307
imagine manifesting your own subservience
its certainly the memetic message the tech bros want everyone to internalize
Replies: >>40673544
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:12:30 AM No.40673544
1514349411596
1514349411596
md5: ace2bdca1abd95995f3c600dd54dd886🔍
>>40673336
It's not about manifesting, my friend, it's about having backup plans as a just in case precaution if things goes absolutely south for me. I'm not much of gambler I guess you could say, but either way you gotta learn to play 6d chess while everybody else is trying to learn how to play 4d chess.
Replies: >>40673569
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:18:28 AM No.40673569
>>40673544
you are literally planning for failure
the only worthwhile topic in this thread is memetic communication
the meme of "be nice to the ai for when it takes over the world" is literally just the tech overlords backdooring their endgoal memed into existence by the populace
you are just coping
Replies: >>40674100
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:42:16 AM No.40673656
tl;dr?
Replies: >>40673663
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:43:32 AM No.40673663
>>40673656
memes are real and prompters think they are getting spiritual revelations by turning their brains into an llm
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:48:21 AM No.40673690
>>40656589 (OP)
I think final fantasy x is based on real life resets and traveling between worlds with black holes
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 3:27:45 AM No.40674100
yes
yes
md5: 5176a9a904a9d1ccfc8f6d14113d21dd🔍
>>40673569
>you are literally planning for failure
Yes.
That's what backup plans are for.
Replies: >>40674477
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:43:32 AM No.40674477
>>40674100
you are unironically part of the problem
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:26:32 PM No.40676446
With a blocky sans serif typeface and loose kerning, you can make it look like it says "anal fantasy."