I know demons live in a fascist, rigid society of tight rules. There's a tight hierarchy and they're kept in line through strict authoritarianism. I am just curious what the punishments are. I know there's lots of demons and demonpossessed anons on this board and I'm just wondering. Cuz you're all going to Pandaemonium in the end anyhow right? So what is there for you to lose?

>>40679431 (OP)
You know I never made the connection that demons have a strict hierarchy like you just did, thank you.
A hierarchy is an inverted tree.
The capstone is the inverted seed.

>>40679449
Sorry I should clarify that I believe evil is an inverter so this fits my system perfectly.
A king is meant to be in service to the kingdom, not sitting on the backs of it.

>>40679431 (OP)
They’re afraid of me, and leave me alone.

>>40679457
No they're not. Come on. Tell me the truth. You get an order from your higher-ups. What makes you follow it? Why not disobey since you're doomed anyhow? Do they throw you in a prison or some sort? Do they restrain you in some way? Do they harm you or cause you a sensation of pain?

>>40679431 (OP)
You're on the same boat tranny, the difference is you're stupid enough to think you're actually free. The difference between demons and angels is just where you are in the dialectic. Unless you live in some backwoods or a place isolated from society completely, then you're part of the ladder. They let you exist somewhat unmolested because you're a harmless incompetent(parallel ghettoized miscreant groups). You'll find out just how free you actually are the moment you step out of line or step on the wrong person's toes.

>>40679449
>man is a plant
You're a vegetable indeed

>>40679468
OK naturally this is how you see things but honestly I am not here to fight with any of you right now in this thread. I am just trying to understand what it is that makes you obey your supposed "superiors". That's all. Why do you obey them rather than disobey? Why do you not disobey them?

>>40679431 (OP)

>strict hierarchies

Ah, totalitarian systems. Well, a good one knows equals ... and then the rest. :)

>>40679466
You have to be 18 or older to post here. If you think hierarchical structures = demons then every paranormal entity is a demon.

>>40679475
>durr whats a medafor?

>>40679481
Well you're not right because no one on my side of this equation has ever told me anything other than "hey man, I love you no matter what you do."

>>40679476
I have no superiors, the others here are the ones who make deals with those in power for personal gain. You don't understand it's a metaphor for existing within a society and making "peace" with it.

>>40679494
Well predictably you don't wanna share information and I am not about to bust out my symbols or inscriptions or anything right now. IDK why you're so antsy to not answer.

>>40679486
You're too stupid to understand that you arent free. You think you are but you've already been corraled into a pre approved ideology that is actually existentially harmless to the system you hate.

The ultimate joke being that they have this cycle down to a science and groups like yours can no longer even exist unmolested unless they let you. If you exist in peace then you by definition are either not a threat to the system or a part of it in some way.

>>40679509
Are you trying to respond to me? From out comments before? Because thats a different anon. I am on the side of freedom in my side of the spiritual polarity. You are the side of all of the hierarchy and enslavement and thats because you have these implicit destructive tendencies that you probably can't ever get over. Thus why Pandaemonium is there for you all to spend the rest of eternity in amongst yourselves once everything's over. But yeah my side is the one that respects other people's freedoms.

>>40679498
It's as simple as carrot and stick for those who exist within the hierarchy(I'm outside of it as a supervisor). With there being more carrot(and fear of losing it) the higher you go. There are also varying levels of sovereignty in regards to those who are actually unclean.

This is just basic power dynamics except the unseen or hidden hands sometimes do things forcefully on their end. Most of the bees are automated actually, you wouldn't get how it works.

>>40679509
I'm glad you proved yourself retarded so quickly. I never once stated my beliefs and my entire belief system is custom-made.
But go ahead and tell me how your prescribed ideology is better than whatever imagined prescribed ideology you think I follow lmao
Nihilistic loser acting like you have anything figured out.
>If you exist in peace then you by definition are either not a threat to the system or a part of it in some way.
Good goy. Keep feeding the Leviathan.

>>40679527
I think you're right, anon. That's how I always thought of it but its hard to imagine how much they give up just for such empty hope of moving up a run or a few rungs on an effectively imaginary ladder.

>>40679534
>Good goy. Keep feeding the Leviathan.
If you're a nazi you're on their side lol

What I am asking is deemed "secret knowledge" by them. That's the problem. That's one of the main reasons they won't answer. They have a bunch of "secret knowledge" rules where its all stuff about themselves and their demon society which theyre not supposed to reveal. You can coerce them to reveal it in various ways...but its not important enough to me right now.

>>40679526
>hierarchy is chaos
>freedom is order

You don't understand how these cycles work, you're simply discontented with society as a whole and rightfully so because those in power right now are retarded.

The natural states have their own hierarchies as do the dwellings of men and demon alike.

>>40679560
I can't respond to you people when you put random quotations in greentext and pretend they were said. I can't respond to your fake imagined convos.

You are "fallen" on the basis that you are endowed with such destructive tendencies that you can't co-exist with anyone or anything. And thats why you were all basically doomed to be cast out to Pandaemonium in the end. The inability to understand why destroying others around you, or manipulating them and enslaving them to you will, is not "freedom" but "anti-freedom" is part of your misfunction.

>>40679534
>Keep feeding the Leviathan

I am that leviathan, you wouldn't get it. Worldly authority tends to coalesce around those who are actually competent. Even entropy corrects itself and is then re arranged. You don't understand, you're probably too young or simply dumb. These cycles transcend any form of temporal ideology or consideration.

Those in power now are retarded and think they're clever for removing the usual escape routes for the proles.

>>40679580
Thats what your world looks like anon? In that picture? Or am I wrong about that?

>>40679579
>You are "fallen" on the basis that you are endowed with such destructive tendencies that you can't co-exist with anyone or anything.

If you got what you wanted then you would die, you don't understand that what you seek is stasis. Coexistence can only happen within an agreeable framework, you're as naive as to unironically say "why can't we all get along".

>>40679592
Its just not possible to talk to something like yourself. But not everyone has the destructive drives you do. In fact the vast majority of people do not even on this 3D plane...which is a pretty low plane. But yeah you just can't distinguish between "my freedom to own slaves" and "my freedom"

>>40679541
>Oy vey they always play both sides
The world didn't begin at WW2 dummy

>>40679592
>>40679600
See, to these things, if you tell them they can't own slaves then thats like telling them that they can't breathe. To them, owning slaves IS their "freedom". And thats why they're fallen.

>>40679580
>I am that leviathan, you wouldn't get it.
Yeah I know. That was the basis of the argument in the first place kek
Thank you for admitting it though you prideful idiot :D

>>40679610
Again, I can't respond to you people when you put completely random quotations into greentext and then partake in an imaginary discussion with yourselves. But I will note fascism has been around forever

>>40679612
>>40679600
>>40679592
"Slaves" or just outright destroying things. Those are like their 2 biggest drives that they just can't divorce themselves from. So anytime someone tries to stop them from doing that they interpret it as someone "infringing on their freedom". And this is why theyre just fallen. This is why they're just needed to be separated from more cooperative entities. At least my understanding is that Pandaemonium isn't a place of intentional torture or punishment, but rather a place where they're left to their own devices and those devices are in any of themselves a form of torture.

>>40679592
>>40679600
>>40679612
>>40679632
And the thing I am trying to communicate here is that no one is trying to torture them but they're inherently going to torture themselves.

>>40679600
You're so beneath the level of discussion of even the fools that frequent this board it's unreal. I'm just talking at you, because if I were to explain things in a way you could understand it would be a text dump. Destruction is part of creation, you simply fear death or change. Your entire spiel can only exist within such a sheltered society as that in the modern west where everything is sanitized and safe. You are beyond even last man, you are a bugman.

>The vast majority of people do not even on this 3D plane

Go take a trip to any third world nation or even the projects and you'll see the true nature of the vast majority of humanity. You live in a bubble.

>you just can't distinguish between "my freedom to own slaves" and "my freedom"

I'm not one of those, but you have to understand why they exist. Most men are pitiable creatures, they seek guidance or even asked to be enslaved if the exchange is enticing enough. Those who control this world are simply abusing their authority because they can, it's no different than Stockholm syndrome but on a societal level. They make a ruckus when things go south but would immediately defend the system with their dying breath because it's what even facilitates their existence. Most people can't survive a change in ecosystem and even less so those middle managers in the hierarchy.

You're most likely no different than them, you want freedom but probably cannot even survive by your lonesome in nature or defend yourself from aggression.

>>40679616

>>40679641
I know it all makes sense to you, anon. I know it all makes sense to you. If you wanna tell me in further detail your worldview with a textdump then feel free. I'll read it. You're not correct though.

You are indeed a low and pitiably spirit. And I mean that in the most genuine sense since my understanding of demons is that they are indeed to be pitied rather than fully despised.

I wouldn't call my spiritual higher-ups "demons", but when they hate me they choke me, or they like to poke my pancreas since i had pancreatitis there.

they also like to poke my liver

the spirits control everything about me. and i fucking love it.

>>40679636
>>40679632
>>40679612
>>40679600
I wrote all this shit out responding to this anon >>40679592 and it was foolish of me LMAO. I am talking to a demon and trying to articulate morals and perception to him and obviously its not going to happen. Frankly, demonanon, it really was not my intention here in this thread to get into this discussion even, anon. I know how your type views things.

>>40679664
Youre speaking as a host. I am speaking about the entities youre hosting.

>>40679654
You aren't even fit to run a hotdog stand under supervision, let alone yourself. Who are you to try and rebuke me in such a childlike fashion. The irony of rejecting hierarchy and claiming to be "angelic", you are completely inundated in the waters of modern thought. This basic bitch strain of gnostic Christianity died over 800 years ago with the Cathars.

You don't understand society is completely set up to protect such useless people as you because you're exploitable. If you don't want to be exploited then the change must start from within.

>>40679674
I wish I could help this man >>40679664 but you can't. I've tried. Even with solomonic magic and stuff, you can't help him when he WANTS the demons inside him. When he consents to them. When his free will has been subverted so fully that he just fully consents.

>>40679674
They usually don't host entities, they're automated or activated in different ways.

>>40679689
Demons do not care about consent. Some people grow up with them. Even children are targeted. This world is basically evil. I don't know why it's even allowed to exist at this point or why people haven't just destroyed everything by now.

>>40679707
>why people haven't just destroyed everything by now

I'm working on it

>>40679685
I'm jewish but I didn't claim to be angelic. You made that claim. Thats fine. I dunno I definitely talk to angels and stuff even though its harder to contact them on this plane. I did convert to judaism and genuinely practice it. Anyway anon Im just interested in your views. I am never gonna agree with them but I am willing to listen to them right now. But still Im interested in knowing why you feel compelled to obey your supposed "higher-ups"? I mean why don't you disobey them? Do they punish you or harm you somehow if you disobey?

>>40679431 (OP)
PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE!
OP asked demons a question and guess what, the thread instantly derailed into insults and bullshit. DEMONS ARE LIARS, THEY SOW CHAOS. Their system of governance is kept together only because of power and pain. We as humans have society because we recognize that its necessary for our species to evolve and make life better, then demons came along and made it corrupt and made it so the few go against the many. The punishment for a demon is PAIN. Take a look at this thread and its replies, full of demon possesed RETARDED AUTISTIC INCELS AND I HATE THEM. i also forgive them

>>40679707
Based on my understanding its below the midpoint. More dark than light on this plane but its not like that on every plane.

>>40679714
Oh you're a kike so that's why youre retarded

>>40679729
I am one official now. Yes anon.

>>40679717
How pathetic, anyways why don't you contemplate on what I posted here instead of rabble rousing to an audience that doesn't exist here. I'm out

>>40679712
Yeah like dump oil in the oceans. Dump toxic waste in the oceans. Radioactive waste.. Burn down major forests. Nuke everything. Leave no survivors.
You have any idea how much poop human beings produce annually? If we dumped all of that shit in the ocean, the world would basically end. It's kind of ironic that Indian beach shitters will eventually be the ones to put an end to samsara. Slowly but surely. One poop at a time.

>>40679740
Yo I really wanted to hear your textdump you referenced above but whatever. Talking to you things is like trying to handle cacti

They seem to have warped perceptions. Thats for certain. They have deep drives to harm others. Drives to destroy and enslave everything around them. And their perceptions are massively warped from those drives.

>>40679717
Your post is basically correct IMO but I'm really not sure what the mechanism of their punishment is. They're not gonna share it because of the "secret knowledge" thing they have going on and that I described >>40679557 which is a genuine law for them in their society.

>>40679431 (OP)
You mean the lake of fire? Demons punish each other exactly how you would imagine they do. They beat each other's asses and torture one another. Biting, scratching, chains, hot pokers, struggle sessions, given undesirable tasks, that kind of thing. They're constantly punishing each other, just being in one another's presence is punishment for them. They are comrades and they despise one another. Not really sure why nobody but me has bothered to tell you flat out thus far.

>>40679761
I'll break it down for you. This whole reality is nothing but elves. Everything is elves. From the chair you sit on, to your own body. It's made entirely of elves.
Your soul is encased in the flesh by elves. The computer you type on is elves. Everything is Elvis. The reason why the world seems imperfect? Now you know. These beings are malicious tricksters. Ask yourself. How could a perfect being only be able to create imperfect things?
You know that song Brick in the Wall by Pink Floyd? That song is about elves. Pink Floyd's other song Welcome to the Machine, is about machine elves.
I bring these up because obviously a lot of our pop culture takes its inspiration from the occult. This is a occulted knowledge for a reason. There's a reason why they don't want people to know. There's a reason why you were born not knowing that the world that you inhabit is a projection by a multitude of advance beings working together.
When I was out of my body they couldn't do shit to me. Just don't believe in their bullshit and stop participating in their schemes. Whatever you were doing to support their machinations, stop.
Human beings have been involved in a huge ritual centered around human sacrifice for thousands of years. It is always normal fags that have betrayed humanity for these alien retards. Screw them and everything that they believe and stand for. You really think those people are human? They turned the whole world into a gay negrified shithole just by being retarded and gullible. And they have always been that way. I wonder how these people manage to reproduce. It's almost like an advanced alien intelligence is breeding them for slavery. Not critical thinking.

>>40679619
>oy vey!

>>40679828
>Brick in the Wall
Brick in the Wall is exactly what it implies.
These beings are the building blocks of the reality you are inhabiting. They process, they compute, they puppeteer humans to create. All of civilization is a massive elvish hyper sigil that has been in the works for thousands of years.

>>40679644
Why are you saying "66753 - BasedBooru.gif" fatty fat fuck?

>>40679740
I forgive you, i love you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A demon hates nothing more than love and happiness. I AM HAPPY. HAHAHAHAHA

>>40679828
What a waste of a wall of text.

Damn I really wanted to hear that other demonanon's referenced textdump.

>>40679644
hey jeetIDF you are supposed to change the filenames

>>40679847
remember to laugh at a pathetic demon because they are nothing, they hate themselves and everyone else and god will never let them harm you in a way that he doesnt approve. they are small tiny creatures. They are the spiritual equivalent of indian call center scammers

>>40679848
All I'm offering is the truth, Neo.

>>40679864
You're not wrong.
>They are the spiritual equivalent of indian call center scammers
Whenever I am dealing with them I think of this. Whenever they're relentlessly doubling down or denying everything after they get caught. It reminds me of one of the indian callcenter scammers going "No sir, no sir, I just need your creditcard number so I can reverse the charges." for the 500th time. I feel that way a LOT when I am posting on /pol/.

>>40679868
Just stop its so lame.

>>40679619
Kek I mean I kinda get the rationale in the greentext responses you're getting, if you're not deflecting their comeback I think you need to level up your schizophrenia before you talk to demonboys on 4chan.

>>40679902
No. You don't get the rational. Its just an in-group defense thing youre doing right now.

>>40679714
>I'm jewish
Dayum you're just gonna drop that huh?

>>40679959
Yeah, its fine, why would I be ashamed to drop it. I was born into a christian household though and later on converted.

>>40679959
>>40679966
BTW Part of what drove me to convert was /pol/ and all of the vitriol / lies about jews I read on /pol/.

>>40679966
Well it's 4chan you fucking newfag.
Also it's ironic since Jews are the chosen people (of demons), that's why it seems like they're behind every foul thing ever in the world as if they're part of a conspiracy too big to be true. It's bc of demons bra. You need an exorcism like right now. It's just too funny.

>>40679966
Nice digits also LOL
Ain't no way

>>40679989
So its 4chan. Why should I care. I mean we're on a board where MOST of the posters profess some form of demonic attachment or outright possession, and then they turn around and shill antisemitism. Somewhat funny dont you think? Somewhat demonstrative?

>>40679970
Just on /pol/? I'm pretty sure everyone everywhere and since forever has been antisemitic, maybe there's a reason. I mean... I'm not gonna argue this shit with you if this place had a Wiki this point might as well be at the front page, and I'm not gonna convince you, a literal Jew, so whatever, I was just pointing out it made me laugh.

>>40680000
No the vast majority of people in the world implicitly understand youre attempting to use jews as ethnic scapegoats in order to protect billionaires and capitalism.

>>40680016
Ok yes that is what I am doing. Run along now.

>>40679888
It's literally the truth. It's all elves man.

Its too bad you guys dont wanna just answer

>>40680031
You're the Antichrist, Luke. I am sorry, this is the terrible truth.

>>40679717
>RETARDED AUTISTIC INCELS AND I HATE THEM
Stable. Loving. Not jewish.

>>40679864
>They are the spiritual equivalent of indian call center scammers
That is incredibly accurate.

>>40679966
>Guys I have chosen to convert from cyan to aqua

>>40680051
Yeah but then he killed himself at Dagobah and became redeemed

>>40680072
No. They're totally different religions. One is very firm and has firm rules [christianity] and the other is very vague and interpretive [judaism]. You can interpret judaism in any way you want. You can accept the Torah as it is written or reject the vast majority of it and both options are perfectly fine within Judaism. Under Christianity its not that way.

>>40680082
Kek funny post anon!

>>40680089
Why's it funny?

>>40680082
The whole basis of the Levitical system is worshipping the letter of their insane laws. Christianity is judaism for goys approved by Saul to counter Jesus, Judaism is legalism made metaphysical.
If what you say is true then shabbos goy wouldn't be a thing.

>>40680102
According to nazi misinformation on 4chan. Not according to any actual jewish people or anything in the jewish religion. Incorrect.

>>40680103
According to history and the very book you worship, retard.
I've read it, your bullshit won't work on me.

>>40680107
You're always going to doubledown on your mischaracterizations and strawmen of things on these boards. Its your nature because youre not honest entities.

>>40680112
>backpedals
>I've been found out!
transparent
run, run like the rat you are

>>40680116
One more post where you people are writing imaginary quotations in greentext and fulfilling imaginary conversations with yourselves. Have fun but the conversation is unrelated to me or my posts.

>>40679828
>>40679842
How'd you discover your knowledge?