Buddhists of /x/, how are you doing and what insights have you had through your recent practice?

>>40704479 (OP)
I wanted to become a Buddhist, but I discovered that drug use was forbidden. It was LSD that helped me understand that spiritual awakening was real. What a shame!

>>40704479 (OP)
Amitabha is not only destructive, but an anti-Buddha. Complete Adharma and death to all that accept him at death.

>>40704517
Then what is the way? Theravada?

>>40704505
not forbidden, but to be avoided. the dharma is not a guide to physical health. the texts specifically state to not become intoxicated, but that does not mean to avoid all consumption.

>>40704552
it is all philosophy. theravada is a good start. adhere to its teachings. avoid vajrayana until you have a solid foundational understanding of the teachings of the buddha.

https://youtu.be/8zjRhqdjt9k

>>40704552
Gautama Siddhartha is the only authentic Buddha to have ever walked this Earth. Theravada and the Pali Canon are the best places to start, but Vajrayana has by far the most developed esoteric teachings. The Five Precepts are required for the sanctity of your mind and soul, you cannot skip them and you must embody them first if you want to remain safe as you integrate yourself with spiritual matters.

>>40704552
>>40704664
I want to point out that the Five Precepts are not just simple moral teachings. They are quite literally a mystical alignment process where you align your mind, soul, and spirit with the primordial universal Buddha, Samantabadhra. They are the absolute most fundamental bedrock to spiritual attainment and the most important thing you should focus on. All sayings that you should "discard the Dharma" are Adharmic corruptions, the Five Precepts are carried with you through eternity.

>Tilopa
>Longchenpa
Who else would you recommend?

>>40704724
Tilopa is completely Adharmic. You may disagree, but if you examine his life and teachings they are all highly materialistic and destructive. His Six Precepts are profoundly destructive.

Longchenpa is Dharmic and profound, highly advanced and useful if you're at a stage of attainment where you can understand it. Do not ignore the warnings in Dzogchen books, they're techniques that open gates to places that will seriously harm you if you fail to uphold the Five Precepts.

>>40704633
Many Vajrayana Buddhists do believe in Amitabha and pure land, though. They have ritual called phowa to eject your consciousness to pure land when you die.

https://youtu.be/3G4kCi_ldr8

>>40704479 (OP)
I realized theres hinayana, mahayana and tantrayana

>>40704633
Hinayana seems selfish to me. Personally i started with vajrayana cause i wanted the big prize immediatly(i wanted to be like a buddha), but now im looking into mahayana cause i skipped a crucial part and indeed mahayana is vast

>>40704479 (OP)
No sangha worth joining where I live, so I will make a one-man sangha.

Personally i started with vajrayana cause i wanted the big prize immediatly(i wanted to be like a buddha), but now im looking into mahayana cause i skipped a crucial part and indeed mahayana is vast

>>40704479 (OP)
My insights are that Buddhism is just Hindu lite and most people that espouse Buddhist beliefs don’t know shit about Buddhism.
In today’s world, crazy homeless people claiming to be the return of Jesus are a dime a dozen. We don’t take them serious. But some dude from 500 BCE wanders the forest for years intentionally starving himself to death, develops severe disassociation disorder, and declares he’s the Buddha prophesied in Hindu text is somehow taken serious. Maybe it’s all the wise things he said like don’t want stuff and you won’t be disappointed or don’t get too comfy but don’t suffer too much.
He had severe depression and declared life is suffering because he was going through an emo phase. The guy didn’t leave his house until he was 29 and freaked the fuck out when he realized we all get old and die. Up until that point he never he stubbed his toe. No shit he thought life is suffering, he didn’t even know what discomfort was until he was almost 30.
What enlightenment did he really bring? He says there’s no true self, no soul, but also kept in reincarnation. Whenever he was asked about the contradiction he refused to answer.
Now everyone and their mom writes their own fan fiction about Buddhism and confuses it with Hindu beliefs.

>>40707732
You're not a Buddhist and that's a lot of words to say you can't read.

Scientific path goes from monism to dualism to pluralism and hopefully onwards with quantum sciences. If you want to get scammed by streetshitters you devolve into monism and give up your money so some asshole can drive with 93 Rolls-Royces for the sake of "unity"(which literally happened with guru Osho).

Buddhism is a passive suicide. We don't consist of the whole existence. You wont get that far by looking within.

I'm depressed and I can't concentrate long enough to meditate without daydreaming. I used to be able to meditate.

Aside from that I'm doing ok.

>>40707772
Maybe read some stories from the suttas with a nice cup of tea to sip. Should be relatively easy.

>>40707755
Gee I wonder why this Abrahamic demon is attacking Buddhism and telling the exact opposite of the truth?

>>40707776
I'm not Abrahamic.

>>40704479 (OP)
Your own existence to yourself is everything require.
Stop chasing and seeking higher answers.
These answers are already known by your true self and this true self is the only source that can answer them for you. Everything else is false noise and the ego will never fully accept it from external source.

question for anyone: When does the student become the master?

Words/language is the biggest poison and drug created by the self.
Even responding to this question goes against the knowing of life and takes the self out of balance.

That my discontent is within me, and that the sublime Buddha nature is concealed behind that delusion; and it is in my power to do away with that delusion and find that truest form of existence once more.

>>40704479 (OP)
I had an awakening and enlightenment but months later. I slipped back into old habits.

My insight from this is enlightenment while it exists is not the be all - end all.
It is more like a flowing river that can change direction, flow intensity and even dry out if not maintained and practiced and meditated on.
To stay within "enlightenment" requires immense dedication daily or you will easily temporarily forget.

Once enlightenment happens you will always remember it and be able to grasp back what you know to be true but the mind will slip back into it's old ways constantly and this is a battle that appears to last forever to some degree.

I can now see why living at a temple with daily mediation is almost required to maintain enlightenment in an actionable way with control of the self.

I read the Diamond sutra twice over the last week and it completely broke my mind. Idk anymore bros. This whole emptiness shit is starting to sound like bullshit. I think I’ll go back to Vaishnavism, you guys have fun though!

>>40707732
>He says there’s no true self, no soul, but also kept in reincarnation
The five aggregates are not true self (anatta = not self/atman) due to their impermanence, it's not that they don't exist.
The true self is the Atman, which is identical to Brahma, the Aboslute, ultimate reality, God in its ultimate undefinable "form", which is formless, unborn and deathless.
It's therefore wrong view to identify a self or identify with a self, because they're all just the ego self (the five aggregates clinging to the attachment to form and identity of a self.
The ignorance of Atman as being separate from Brahman is the first link in the chain of dependent arising.
You have to let go of the idea of a self for the true Self to liberate itself from the chains of the ego self.
It's paradoxical and counterintuitive to how the Ego defines reality and existence.

>>40707952
Go with Theravda minus Abidhamma / EBT if you want a more concentrated impression of Buddhist doctrine, the schools that study these generally adopt precisely zero Mahayana writings and practices, let alone Vajrayana.
>>40707958
Both atman and anatman are Wrong Views, see https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/DN/DN01.html

>>40707725
Just find islamic jesus

>>40707958
Not buddhist (yet), but the Ego is necessary because from my exprience of the Atman (holy spirit / true self) you can't live in the society with that state. So technically unless you are a monk even the Atman is a temporary state. The laic from the sangha help monks to sustain their body in this world until they fully ascend.

To be like the Atman is easy (laic life living with preceipts of Buddha), but to be it is very hard. But as Christian it took me years to understand that Buddhism + forest + sun is the way to transcend fully.

>>40707997
I’m sorry brother. Call it attachment if you like but I believe in the soul/atman.

>>40707952
Ur geeta quote meme, Sounds almost identical to the three poisons in the bhavachakra

>>40708149
I call it Wrong View, and not a Buddhist notion.

>>40707997
>Both atman and anatman are Wrong Views
Know what they are and forget about it. Definitions are just guidance to help us on the way.
The Buddha remaining silent regarding the existence of a self is also the best definition of the self. Just like silence it can't be defined by what it is, but what it isn't. It's simply just there and when all the noise is gone it remain as it ever was.

>>40708169
>Know what they are and forget about it.
Not a Buddhist idea.
>The Buddha remaining silent regarding the existence of a self
Actually the Buddha defined various Wrong Views pertaining to the self in DN1, which I already linked itt. You come off as a blind worldling and you're preaching falsities in the name of Lord Buddha.

>>40708151
I know. It’s just missing ignorance.

>>40708158
>not a Buddhist notion

Well that was the point of my post desu.

>>40708206
Nah it doesnt miss it

>>40708179
"From the third knowledge: Views can be overcome by noting that the act of clinging is based on craving, craving is based on feeling, and feeling is based on contact at the six sense media. This sequence of conditions is drawn from the Buddha’s teaching on dependent co-arising, which is an elaborated version of the four noble truths. By replacing ignorance of this sequence with knowledge—knowing the origination, passing away, allure, drawbacks of, and escape from feelings and sensory contact—one gains release from all clingings, even to the results of this knowledge, and from all destinations in the realm of becoming.

focusing on the way in which knowledge of the way in which views are fabricated and clung to can lead the mind to stop clinging to views altogether.

SN 41:3, in a direct reference to DN 1, notes that the 62 views listed here, as well as other views, all come from self-identity views, which define the self around any of the five aggregates of form, feeling, perception, fabrications, and consciousness: either identical with the aggregate, possessing the aggregate, in the aggregate, or containing the aggregate. The connection between self-identity views and the 62 views in this sutta can be clearly seen in the topics of the views listed here: Once you assume a self, you get caught up in questions of what it is, the dimensions of the world in which it can find its nourishment, its past, its future after death, and what constitutes its happiness here and now. Even the four cases of “eel-wriggling,” or agnosticism listed here can be understood as motivated by the desire to protect the self from the harassment that comes from expounding a view to others.

The antidote to this kind of thinking is not to assume that there is no self—MN 2 counsels against trying to give any answer to such questions as “What am I?” and “Do I exist? Do I not exist?” "

>>40708442
Who are you quoting?

>>40708179
NTA. I assume they are referring to picrel where the Buddha does remain silent regarding the existence or non-existence of a self.

>>40708465
The link that was posted to me.

>>40708474
I know, but he didn't reference that and was using it to proseletyze for something not Buddhist.
>>40708493
I just meant that as a link to a copy of DN1, but okay I got lucky and it's Thanissaro Bhikkhu's commentary...
Oh, but you just pasted some quotes at me as an "answer". That's just trolling.

>>40708442
Continue

"Instead, SN 41:3 recommends a more subtle strategy: learning from people of integrity how not to assume a self in any way around the five aggregates. But it does not explain how this is done. SN 12:15 advises contemplating the origination and passing away of events in the world of the six senses until even the notions of “existence” and “non-existence” don’t occur to the mind. At that point, all that seems to arise and pass away is stress, a realization that allows the mind to let go of all fabrications. This is its definition of right view.

The most important aspect of right view, as noted above, is that it reaches a point where it undercuts clinging even to itself and to the release that comes when that level of clinging is abandoned. DN 1 itself doesn’t explain how, but AN 10:93 gives a clue. After seeing that all other views, because they are fabricated, are stressful, and that because they are stressful, they don’t deserve to be claimed as “me” or “mine,” right view then applies the same analysis to itself as a fabricated phenomenon. That’s how it finds the full escape that comes from dispassion for every fabrication, even the fabrication of the path.

The fact that clinging to views is overcome through knowledge, and not through the simple decision not to formulate views, is worth emphasizing again and again. As SN 22:81 points out, such an agnostic decision is a fabrication based on ignorance, and so it cannot escape from suffering and stress."

>>40708535
More trolling, okay, you're blocked.

>>40708546
You're just a dumb dogmatist throwing scriptures as "answers", can't even be bothered to quote relevant parts. Do you even understand the things you read?

I quote from the link you posted to point out that there's no contradiction to what I said in my first post. Maybe I'm good at expressing my thoughts as well and clear as I'd like.

>>40708568
*Not good at expressing...

>>40704479 (OP)
I've recently, spontaneously, arrived at an insight during practice. Where greed is, ignorance and anger are not far behind. This can be applied to any of the three poisons, when one is the others are not far behind. It's a pithy realization, but it's been a personal mantra which is helping me fall back into unskillful behaviors.

>>40704479 (OP)
I experienced enlightemment. It's the death of you the person. There is no you. No other. No motivation, no zest for life or enthusiasm. Just the most complete neutrality. The remanents of my ego pulled themselves together a few days later and it was as if being reborn. A baby in an adult's body. The gratitude for being alive again was beyond anything. I'm not sure I will ever be strong enough to walk through death again. At least in this lifetime.

>>40708634
>inverts the experience of stream entry to make it appear something bad and avoidable
Abrahamic Mara hands typed this post.

>>40708474
Study the works of Dr David Hawkins. He came to bear witness to the Truth and as a result correct the misunderstandings of the Buddha's teachings

>>40708603
I'd shift them a bit. Where ignorance is, greed and anger follows.
Ignorance fade away when we are aware and mindful, like darkness withdraw at dawn.

>>40708646
It's terror beyond comprehension. Well, if you return. I wept and wept. If I push too hard, reality, 'others' 'me' become shaky again and transparent illusions. Life has so much to offer. Such joy and bliss. I love seeing my frens as separate beings.
Then the counterpoint, imagine knowing 'you' typing this would have to die again, despite already having your heart shocked back into pumping. That complete absence of energy, motivation, death of the personal self and voidness was not a good experience. In fact it was shit and there was no choice or personal will to change it. What are the benefits of passing through that gateway?

>>40704505
Better to fuck it up than not try at all.

The 5th precept is a more complicated one, morally, than the other 4. Also, the precepts are voluntarily taken, not mandates.

The Buddha's biggest expectation was to not kill or harm.

I love buddhism so much nammo buddaya

Do not kill
Do not steal
Stay abstinent
Speak the truth without hatred or divisiveness
Do not use drugs that can cloud the mind

>>40704479 (OP)
Being empty is the only way to move. Being still actually speeds things up.
I had trouble with that last one. My mind was still moving very quick but my entire body had slowed down. Once I slowed my mind down to my body's speed it's like I met this space of no judgements and being safe no matter where I am. Unfortunately Ive had some people tap in and try claim/disturb that energy. They only end up playing tricks on themselves but it definitely torments me.

>>40708926
Water overdose can cloud the mind.
I would be careful saying "drugs" but also 99% of the time you are correct.
There is a 1% case for those that know how to use the emerald tablets drug to expand the mind - but it is dangerous and easy to lose control of. It requires intense discipline. So generally yes do not use drugs that can cloud the mind.

But people should also be aware of their beneficial powers if respected to the utmost degree.

>>40707952
Mahayana buddhism emphasizes compassion though. Issnt that superior ? Or is the bhakti of vaishnava superior?

>>40704505
You don't need to adhere 100% to buddhism, pick up what interest you and see the results.

>>40709809
The compassionate part is great. I think though they try to incorporate devotion to Buddhas and Bodhisattvas even though it clashes with what the Buddha taught in the Theravada sutras.

I’m not saying one path is superior. I’m only doing what works and makes sense to me. I believe in a soul and I believe that soul is a part of the Supreme.

>>40710161
> I believe in a soul and I believe that soul is a part of the Supreme.

Then you believe in Hinduism, not Buddhism. Buddhism as originally taught, denies a self or an afterlife. Reincarnation is not you, it’s your karma. Or more likely, you are taking parts of a bunch of different things and mashing them together and creating contradictions because you don’t understand the underlying logic between the schools of thought.

>>40710360
…I know…that’s why I posted what I posted. I’m this guy >>40707952

But thanks for your perceptive post.

>>40707742
It’s only a lot of words to someone that’s never a read a book. Ironic when you clearly have never read anything except message board spiritualism posts.
I’m more Buddhist than you or anyone else in this thread clinging to the idea of a soul and afterlife. Also, nothing I said is wrong. Prove me wrong.

>>40708715
Consider yourself lucky you found your way back. If you had studied starting from the Five Precepts you would have practiced self-care and not walked through that gate. You would have listened to the intuition of your inner Buddha nature. Get meds, stop doing ANY tantra or transcendental meditations, and start from the beginning. You've obviously skipped many, many critical steps and need to start from first principles. Namaste and good luck. You will heal in time.

>>40707958
Buddhism doesn’t deny the existence of the self as a functional, empirical reality, but it does deny the existence of a permanent, unchanging self (atman) at its core. The five aggregates are ever-changing, and the attachment to the idea of a fixed, independent self leads to suffering.
You’re framing the self as “the true Self” (Atman) in a Vedantic sense, but from a Buddhist standpoint, selfhood is dynamic. There's no "true" or "false" self in this paradigm. It's the attachment to identity itself, to a self that seems stable, that leads to suffering and ignorance.
You argue that identifying with the ego-self is a wrong view, and I agree that identifying with an illusory, changing self is problematic. But Buddhism would argue that the very notion of a permanent, true self (Atman) is itself a form of ignorance because it reifies the idea of a permanent entity where there is none. According to the Buddha, the concept of a permanent "Atman" is just another manifestation of the attachment to identity, and it's this attachment that binds us to suffering.

>>40710161
If it clashes with what the Buddha taught it is objectively wrong and the lineage of every single concept derived from that wrongness is cursed. At this point this is most sectarian traditions, especially Western schools that reached the shores through corrupt and ignorant translators. There are no contradictions, no disagreements between those who have aligned with primordial Buddha nature. Be as skeptical as you want, but if you have confidence in the true Buddha you can use his teachings as a truth test to invalidate all the cursed addendums that contradict him.

>>40708634
That’s called disassociation disorder. It’s a form of mental illness and a result of traumas. That’s not enlightenment and enlightenment isn’t some kind of magical knowledge.

>>40710457
Do you know any Theravada suttus that proclaim this Buddha Nature? I’m not trying to be an asshole just curious. It’s also really disheartening the amount of Buddhists I’ve interacted with online and irl who are just snobs and sectarian zealots. Or they claim to be knowledgeable and then when asked they can’t give you a solid answer.

>>40710479
>That’s not enlightenment and enlightenment isn’t some kind of magical knowledge.
This is wrong. Metaphysics are real and you will absolutely, 100% physically awaken to them if your frontal lobe is suppressed or damaged. Your brain is an antenna for things far, far beyond the scope of material reality. This is the reason the Buddha only taught the Five Precepts and everyone valid tells you to follow a verified lineage guru. If you follow the Precepts, you will be prepared and aligned for the dangerous and poisonous contact with other planes of existence. You will be naturally initiated at a rate matching your spiritual growth and you will have a sangha to catch you if you fall into psychosis states / demonic possession.

>>40710510
I think the Pali Canon uses the term "luminous mind" for Buddha Nature. It is the default state of pure consciousness free of intrusive, invasive thoughts. Western poisoned Buddhism adamantly insists that these thoughts are just materialist waves in your head, but they're genuinely demons of Mara afflicting you from the hell realms. As you calm your mind and excise these parasites, your mind naturally settles into an intuitive, balanced state where you awaken clairvoyance and insight towards the phenomenon you encounter. That is the luminous mind / Buddha Nature, your silent intuition behind your eyes. It has a distinct feeling to it that no demon of Mara can emulate.

>>40710511
Everything you said is very far removed from the original Buddhist teachings and instead aligns more with later, esoteric or New Age interpretations of spirituality that combine metaphysical concepts with modern understandings of the brain and consciousness.
In other words it’s all cap. That’s fan fiction. None of it is part of the Buddha's original teachings in the Pali Canon.
Buddhism doesn’t equate "enlightenment" with physical changes in the brain or with a mystical awakening tied to physical brain states. Buddha's teachings emphasize mental training, not external mystical influences or brain damage.
There is no direct mention in the early Buddhist texts of a need for protection from "other planes" or "demonic possession” as part of the path to enlightenment.
The realms were psychological and existential states rather than literal, external planes of existence that one could "contact" through mystical awakening. Literal realms and planes of existence is what’s found in Hinduism.

Enlightenment is not magical and what you are espousing is not Buddhism.

>>40710623
Just because the Buddha did not publicly teach something doesn't mean it's true. In a previous post I mentioned that a great way of discernment is to invalidate things that *contradict* his teachings, but it is perfectly valid to *expand* on his teachings, especially with the esoteric traditions he only taught in private to his accomplished students. A different medicine for each individual, and most of those individuals did not publicly share that medicine.

Theravada is largely an exoteric school. It is the Buddha's students who took his private teachings to make the esoteric schools. He did not publicly teach about demons, the true nature of Mara, or the nature of metaphysical reality. These things are incredibly dangerous, it is possible to be physically consumed by Mara if one does not have the mental fortitude to withstand contact with these realms.

Ultimately, by following the Five Precepts one is naturally introduced to these concepts at a proper rate through the flow of karma. Mental training and morality build the karma to advance into spiritual matter without being physically consumed by Mara. Your fixation to the Pali Canon is admirable and I appreciate you are trying to filter out concepts you perceive as dangerous and unreal. You're in an unawakened state and you are not ready for these matters, it is natural and healthy to reject them. My screeds aren't for you in that case, please stop responding to them.

>>40710447
>You argue that identifying with the ego-self is a wrong view, and I agree that identifying with an illusory, changing self is problematic. But Buddhism would argue that the very notion of a permanent, true self (Atman) is itself a form of ignorance because it reifies the idea of a permanent entity where there is none.
Yes, this is what I meant. Perhaps I didn't make it clear.
To me atman/Brahman is the eternal unchanging 'emptiness'., but's a paradox to call it a "self" since it's formless and unborn. It's therefore a moot point to think of a self, or speculate of its existence or non existence, since we can't define what it is, only what it isn't anyhow. And as you say, the very idea of a self is (the ego) clinging to the concept of identity, which is the ignorance that give condition for arising to form the ego self.

>>40710686
Fair enough.

>>40710686
doesn't mean it isn't true*

We all make mistakes. I do not think this view is a mistake, I have worked VERY hard on Right View for many lifetimes. In fact it is a reduction to materialism across the human psyche that is leading to such widespread mental breakdowns and psychosis states as Mara physically invades mentally ill people and spreads like a viral plague. We're entering a time in history where Mara will assume almost total victory before Maitreya will incarnate to purify the Dharma. I can feel him in the distance, he is coming soon.

>>40710623
>The realms were psychological and existential states rather than literal, external planes of existence that one could "contact" through mystical awakening. Literal realms and planes of existence is what’s found in Hinduism

They are just as real as this physical realm, just another part of samsara.

>>40710733
>To me atman/Brahman is the eternal unchanging 'emptiness'., but's a paradox to call it a "self" since it's formless and unborn.
Then you arent talking about atman/Brahman, and should just stick to Buddhist terms.
Will never understand the desperate need of some to avoid going "No, that concept is wrong" instead of horribly twisting things until they arent even recognizable any more.

idk bros sounds like Atman/Satchitananda to me

>>40711066
It looks like a whole lot of non-Buddhist crap to me.

>>40711066
>Hinduism:
>Brahman is considered the ultimate reality, the unchanging, infinite, and transcendent reality.

>Buddhism:
>Ultimate reality is often associated with concepts like the "Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unconditioned" and the "Supramundane" or "Void". It is beyond the duality and limitations of the phenomenal world.

>>40710360
I think in buddhism theres also a package which one could call a soul. Otherwise nihilism would ensue and it would make no sense. True buddhism is being supressed cause its literally a fastlane into heaven with that compassion component. The soul exists and buddha knows how it works

>>40710686
Uh huh. So not Buddhism. The notion that some teachings are reserved for those with special insight is retarded. It’s clearly and obviously a manipulation of the religious system for personal gain. To even think that there is magic teaching would require you to completely misunderstand the story of Buddha. You’re trying to appropriate Buddhism by falsely identifying your blend of theories to it. If anything, by being someone who gave teachings according to the capacity of his audience, any talk of magic in private was probably a way to get people like you on board. And when I say people like you, I mean as in people who demand some element of magic to explain life.

>>40711257
Holy fuck. You really aren’t getting it. That’s Hinduism. Hinduism was everywhere in ancient India. That was the background assumption kinda like Christianity is to the USA. One of the biggest things Buddha said that differentiated it from Hinduism is there is no self, no soul, no you that carry’s on.
True Buddhism is being suppressed by people like you and anybody else who refuses to drop their preconceived western spiritual biases at the door and would rather adapt Buddhist teachings than adopt them.
There’s a reason Buddhism is criticized for celebrating death. Siddhartha Gautama was an extremely depressed individual due to his upbringing and the culture shock he experienced at 29 years old and he built a philosophy around it.
Dude literally started referring to himself as the Buddha and had kings funding him and protecting him. The guy threw away his life and walked out on his wife and son (who he named fetter as in ball and chain btw) just to discover that he was only making his suffering worse by chasing answers.
That’s the enlightenment dude.
Life is suffering
Suffering comes from wanting stuff
Stop wanting stuff
Follow this path

It’s practical and pragmatic thinking tied to viewing the world as a severely depressed person.

>>40711402
>Holy fuck
Wash your mouth and soul out.

>>40711402
> Life is suffering
> Suffering comes from wanting stuff
> Stop wanting stuff
> Follow this path


Super convenient if you’re a rich lord trying to manage a population. Funny, most religions are convenient in the same way. Doesn’t Hinduism have some sort of caste system telling you to be a good boy and play your role or be reincarnated as a bug? Huh. Interesting.

>>40711425
I have no soul. Neither do you. Holy fucking fuckity fuck fuck.
I call u

>>40711402
>One of the biggest things Buddha said that differentiated it from Hinduism is there is no self, no soul, no you that carry’s on.
NTA but I don't think the Buddha said that. As was shared earlier in this thread, when the Buddha was asked plainly whether there was a self or whether there was not a self, he remained silent rather than affirming that there was no self. In MN 2 (picrel) the Buddha also includes "I have no self" among the views arising from inappropriate attention, which when clung to, is an obstacle to release. And the Buddha definitely taught actual rebirth as well.

>>40711450
Mara has consumed this one. What a graceless being.

>>40711456
Damn me for eternity and interpret my fate by judging the words I type. Incredibly wise. Your brain antenna that activated from brain damage must be protecting you from the same fate.

>>40711402
Oh, so you're just the anti Buddhist faggot. All opinions discarded.

>>40711451
Fair but also the Buddha taught that there is no permanent, unchanging, eternal soul or "self" that exists independently and is unchanging across time.
He did teach rebirth but rebirth in Buddhism does not involve the transmigration of a permanent, unchanging soul (as in Hinduism or other religious traditions with the concept of atman).

>>40711497
Just anti retarded. Also, to discard an opinion you have to be capable of forming one. Sheep like yourself just say Bahh with the rest of the herd. Hardly an opinion.

>>40709226
Yeah well don’t drink so much water that it kills you anyway, jej

>>40711505
>The doctrine of anatta, therefore, is not a metaphysical assertion, but a practical strategy that guides one to let go of attachment to conditioned phenomena and thus to achieve liberation.

>This is view is supported by the way the term anatta is used in the Pali Canon. Consider the following passage from the Girimananda Sutta:

>And what is the perception of not-self? There is the case where a monk — having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building — reflects thus: ‘The eye is not-self, forms are not-self; the ear is not-self, sounds are not-self; the nose is not-self, aromas are not-self; the tongue is not-self, flavors are not-self; the body is not-self, tactile sensations are not-self; the intellect is not-self, ideas are not-self.’ Thus he remains focused on not-selfness with regard to the six inner and outer sense media. This is called the perception of not-self. (AN 10.60, trans. Thanissaro)

>Here, the term anatta is not used to deny the reality of the self, but to describe conditioned phenomena as not being the self. Therefore, the correct translation of anatta is not ‘no self’, but ‘not self’.

https://www.buddhanet.net/buddhism-self/

>>40711221
>>Brahman is considered the ultimate reality, the unchanging, infinite, and transcendent reality.
Nondifferent from Atman/SELF.
Self is the eternal, fundamental, unchanging in Hinduism.
Atman IS Brahman.
Literally the opposite of the absolute understanding in buddhism.
>syncretist needs complete opposites to be the same because they both say they are the answer

>>40710686
Awakened state = believe in magic thinking and supernatural warfare in the realms beyond.
How do people get this dumb?

>>40704479 (OP)
The soul exists. And if you think the doctrines say otherwise you are misinterpreting it deeper meaning.

>>40704505
any drug use for enlightenment is fine. It's so powerful though that it can become dangerous to awaken so quickly or to think you have awakened when you really have just unlocked the door.

If LSD is a key for you. By all means use it with intent and prayer, but lower it's potency until you can eventually stop using it all together and embody the two halves of consciousness into one drug free awoken mind.

Then you have become the shaman, then you have the control. You can still use your key in the future but it should always be done in far less amounts than you think. It should be additive to your sober mind and not take over more equity. It is a balancing act you must find yourself.

to put into numbers, if the mind is at 100%
full intoxication would be 0-20%

True power now comes if you can take the mind altering substance but remain highly capable, say 80-99%.
Now the key is a boon, a gift you have deep control over but with meditation it allows the mind to go deeper. Even that 1% deepens the mind. Do not be tricked into "hero doses" as these will have ill effects.

It is the moderation that is key and the control. Even substances such as coffee are to be treated as such. Do not create a highly wired brain environment daily. Create one that is clear and stable.

>>40704479 (OP)
>insights
If you’re on the cushion looking for anything, you've lost it. If you’re gaining anything, you’ve gone backwards.

>>40712978
Saying Buddhist doctrine includes a belief in the soul disregards historical, scriptural, and philosophical evidence from over 2,500 years of Buddhist tradition.
The Buddha rejected the idea of a permanent, unchanging soul like the atman in Hinduism.
He taught that what we call the "self" is a collection of five aggregates (skandhas):
Form (body)
Sensation
Perception
Mental formations
Consciousness
None of these are permanent. All are in constant flux. Therefore, no unchanging self or soul exists. It’s even explicitly stated in core texts like the Anattalakkhaṇa Sutta.
Hinduism sure. Not Buddhism. Buddhism says no soul. And it says it clearly.

Anattalakkhaṇa Sutta (Samyutta Nikāya 22.59):
“All formations are impermanent; all formations are subject to suffering; all things are not-self.”
“Bhikkhus, form is not-self. If form were self, then this form would not lead to affliction, and one could have it of form: ‘Let my form be thus; let my form not be thus.’ But because form is not-self, it leads to affliction, and none can have it thus...”
(The same is said for the five aggregates: feeling, perception, mental formations, and consciousness)

The Buddhist path of liberation (nibbana), is attained by seeing through the illusion of a self. So you are wrong and leading people astray with bullshit.

>>40704505
Forbidden? There isn’t any rules. It’s Buddhism. It’s a fairy floofidoo cult of annihilationism, and if you think Gautama Buddha wasn’t flying in magic mushrooms when he gained his special insights into reality, you’re kidding yourself to the max.

The point, for anyone who sees to the true heart of what Buddhism can be, is that the magic of life is the dance of life itself. Even your fretting over what you can and cannot do in suet special Buddhist things is a part of it. My irreverence and disdain for the fallen, missing, pseudo-religion that is Buddhism is part of it.

I can’t believe I ever called myself a Buddhist lol
wtf
It’s got pieces of the truth, waay more than other pretenders, but it still misses by the biggest of margins because of one gigantic flaw inherent within its very DNA.
Hopefully one day you’ll get there too.

>>40713243
thanks but nothing you said rejects the soul.
You even said it yourself
"The Buddha rejected the IDEA of a PERMANENT UNCHANGING SOUL"
This is not denial of it's existence."

Again you are getting too taught up on words. The Buddha never denied it's existence.

>>40713292
I don’t disagree with you but what is the flaw you speak of

>>40713307
You’re right anon… He didn’t reject the word soul, just every definition that makes it what it is….
What precisely is the idea the Buddha rejected?
A permanent, essential, and individual identity
That persists beyond death
The true self or essence of a person

From the Anattalakkhaṇa Sutta (SN 22.59):
“Is form permanent or impermanent?”
“Impermanent, Lord.”
“Is what is impermanent suffering or happiness?”
“Suffering, Lord.”
“Is it proper to regard what is impermanent, suffering, and subject to change as: ‘This is mine, this I am, this is my self?’”
“No, Lord.”
"Therefore, any kind of form, feeling, perception, volitional formation, or consciousness—past, future, or present... should be seen as it actually is with right wisdom thus:
‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’”
Your the one quibbling about semantics. The Buddha is saying: none of these experiences or processes are a self, nor is there a hidden self behind them.

Saying “the Buddha didn’t deny the soul” because he denied only a “permanent unchanging soul” is like saying:

“The Buddha didn’t deny unicorns, he just denied horses with single horns that can fly and grant wishes.”
But that’s what people mean by unicorns. Once you strip away the “permanent,” “unchanging,” “true essence” parts, you’re no longer talking about a soul, you’re talking about impermanent mental processes, which the Buddha did affirm. He just didn’t call them “soul” because they’re not an enduring self.

The Buddha explicitly and repeatedly denied that any kind of enduring, essential self or soul exists.
To claim otherwise is to impose non-Buddhist ideas onto Buddhist teachings.
If you want to believe in a soul, that’s fine but don’t attribute that belief to the Buddha or Buddhist doctrine.
Buddhism, as taught by the Buddha, is categorically non-theistic and non-soul-based.

>Buddha says not to get attached to views like "I have a self" or "I have no self" because it's inappopriate attention
>anons in Buddhism threads constantly argue about what the Buddha actually believed about whether there was or was not a self
It's all so tiresome. But, if anons are interested in the answer I've found most satisfying, it's this booklet: https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/SelvesNot-self/Section0005.html

The key idea I think is in picrel. The Buddha wasn't interested in the metaphysics of whether there was or was not an underlying invisible unifying substance of some sort that might be called a soul. Instead, he was interested in what is directly experienced, and he viewed perceptions of self and not self as actions: either you identify with something or you don't identify with something. And within subjective experience all identification is subject to change or disidentification, so in that sense there is no unchanging self.

Bump

Buddhism made a big mistake when it didn't include God as part of its teaching. The supreme deity of absolute emptiness brought me peace, I no longer feel anger, boredom, regret or mental pain. Life became much better and easier without much effort with his blessing

>>40704479 (OP)
>theurgy however you go about it is the road to the absolute

There are as many buddha-isms as there are buddhists. Picrel will disabuse you of them.

So it seems like there are not so many practicing Buddhists on /x/, but there are a lot of anons with strong opinions about Buddhism based on varying levels of research and understanding of it.

>>40713651
>>40713793
It is beyond obvious that they are blind, don't waste more breath on them. A.k.a. stop feeding the trolls.
This thread is for Buddhists specifically and exclusively, you are shitting it up by feeding them.

>>40713818
is it even doable to "practice" buddhism properly in the west if there are no local community, monks or shrine? It feels kinda larpy

>>40713243
Form = not self.
Formless = self.

>>40710430
Lol, I very much am. I was under the delusion that the experience of death itself was only fully experienced at a much higher level, i.e. the final gateway. I love being a person and my own life!
Your advice is spot on, as the energy pulls itself at a point and there is no choice.
I have said that it felt like it took the energy of a small star to bring me back. Days of this. Speaking with 'others' and seeing through the illusion of the seperate self was not enjoyable either.
I should also say that the experience happened entirely spontaneously whilst listening to Suzanne Chang. This is a good one. In fact I advise most people in this thread to watch the video. I guess at least 50% of you have no idea what is waiting and what is asked for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auas3pnRKuk
Knowing that the requirement is to die, and the voidness of Reality that awaits, what keeps you going down this path? Infinite neutrality is far less appealing than joy or ecstacy.
I haven't meditatated in a long time- I surrender attachments and aversions- this can be done walking on the street or having a poo if you want.

>>40714213
Did the Buddha say you need a local community, monks or shrine to become enlightened?

>>40712547
Same thing, different understanding.
The Buddha's point is that any idea about the Absolute (ultimate reality, unborn, deathless, unchanging) is a form of clinging to identify, is your ego forming identity and attachment to a "self" or "soul".
It's the right view and wrong view of the same thing.

>>40710510
It's just a yana snob violating the precept of not causing schisms in the Sangha. A bunch of jews and WASPs who can't shake off Abrahamic heresythink infiltrated Buddhism and are trying to dominate the narrative about the one true yana.

>>40714599
It's puthujjannas seething at puthujjanas and failing to grasp mundane Right View including the fact that they are not "Buddhists".
That's why they're all "no you're the fake Buddhist" mutually, they're both fake Buddhists. You too lol, and me too.

>>40713350
you definition of the word soul is mistaken.

Again Buddha has never once said the soul does not exist.

>>40713350
>The Buddha explicitly and repeatedly denied that any kind of enduring, essential self or soul exists.
Correct, so if I say Giant people over 50ft tall don't exist. Does that mean regular people too do not exist? By your logic.

This would be foolish. Buddha merely said what the soul is not. Not that it does not exist. Via negativa my friend.

Hermetics have used the same principles on their quest to understand god. What cannot be grasped or understood correctly may better be understood by that which it is not.

Same teaching have been taught by many gurus, if you cannot find the self, find everything which the self is not and what is left? This is what we would define as the soul.

You can replace the word "soul" with anything you want, again, don't get caught up on the semantics and lead yourself down a thought path about unicorns.

Some reading Buddhists and would-be students of Buddhism may enjoy, Bhikku Boddhi on Tolerance and Diversity in Buddhism:
https://vipassana.com/resources/bodhi/tolerance_and_diversity.html

>>40714896
thanks for the western (((jewish))) subversions. enjoy the ride. namaste

https://youtu.be/NS5CYMGDMKY

>>40714876
>Same teaching have been taught by many gurus, if you cannot find the self, find everything which the self is not and what is left?
This teaching is called "neti neti" and its limitations - mainly that it can only get you to a voidist understanding and ONLY a voidist understanding - is well understood.

>>40716727
Form arises from the formless unconditioned and when dissolved returns the formless. The original state is the only permanent and unchanging.

>>40714441
You can become a solitary Buddha if you go out into the world with a donation bowl and a lot of meditation and austerity, but taking refuge in the Three Jewels tends to be an easier way to go about it for most.

>>40707952
The most important line of the Diamond Sutra is that properties are NOT cut off from their self-natures.

>>40708158
It's in the Nirvana Sutra. Anon said it very well. It is like this: no-Self is the medicine that relieves the false nature, true self is the medicine that relives the Atman

But just keep quiet if you don't hear the Buddha-nature

>>40708715
You're mourning over the death of the false ego. The true self (Buddha-nature) is to be IDENTIFIED with Bliss. Once you reach this stage just do what makes you happy (this is for Anon, not you...)

>>40710360
No, you're an imbecile if you believe Buddhism is inconsistent with Hinduism. Brahmins are Aryas

>>40710447
The Nirvana Sutra says let me sooner cut out my tongue than deny the Buddha is Eternal. This suffices to prove a True Self (Tathatagagarba) AND an Afterlife. The idea that Buddha goes to Nirvana is a total misconception, it's skillful means because the Buddha is immutable but you can't simply conceive of Whole Truth at the Beginning.

>>40711505
Do you encounter the Buddha lifetime after Lifetime? That's the True Self

>>40717162
No shit it’s not inconsistent dumbass. Buddhism came from Hinduism. The whole idea of a Buddha comes from Hinduism.
It’s what Christianity is to Catholicism, a stripped down version of its former self and more marketable to the masses. That doesn’t mean there aren’t key differences.
Now punch yourself in the face for being retarded anon.

>>40717410
Please try to refrain from denigrating speech in this thread that's particularly about Buddhism and for Buddhists... you can get the same message across, with as much flair, without the venom.

namaste

though we swim through a river of tears, flowing from a sea of blood, we find respite in the gentle night. flowing, once flowing twice, knowing nice, knowing thrice.... the longer we continue, the more the pain will heal.

peace be upon you. we are safe

>>40717493
Tell that to the person who started it or fuck off.

>>40717533
Please read the Pali Canon and think about the mystical benefits alignment with a good moral purpose will bring to you. There is good in everyone, as long as you choose to try. Namaste.

>>40717533
There's no point for me to engage totally non-Buddhist trolls itt, it'd just make them want to stay longer.
Besides I have namefags filtered.

>>40717533
What the hell have you done

>>40717605
Himself in. So be it. Whatever. Let the salt flow....

>>40717602
Lol at least I'm not cultivating a venomous atmosphere

>>40717540
Just because there is potential in a seed to grow doesn’t mean it will. Preserving self respect is in moral alignment and only I can define what actions are respectable for myself.

>>40717753
No, you can't. If you do not respect others than you are fundamentally incompatible with us on a moralistic, physical, spiritual, soul, and psychosomatic basis.

>>40717753
You probably want to think you're some kind of singularity God of Conquest slowly reaping everything you want out of life. You're not. You're a broken thoughtform inside my very physical head, and I AM the singularity of creation. You are my child and I will now consume you, Mara.

>>40717769
1) It’s Buddhism, that means no soul.
2) Fuck yourself and your mother. How’s that for enlightenment retard?

>>40717813
Goodbye.


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>>40717795
But then I cast fireball and incinerate your dick off.
Consume these nuts faggot.

>>40717837

>>40717795
Interesting. So now Buddhists believe in gods. I’ll be sure to spread the word.

>>40717940
Always did.

>>40718008
Clearly you aren’t Buddhist then.

>>40718031
lol whatever bro

samael has a bad rap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeAAi7jWOl8

>>40718031
No he’s just trolling. Happens every time one of these threads pops up.

>>40718057
sorry I'm drunk. I'll leave. namaste

>>40717795
Anon. You went from schizo posting to pedophile really fast there. I’m concerned for your mental health. Seek help.

>>40718073
I said I would leave but I'll get this last post in. my mental health is absolutely horrible. I agree with you completely. that doesn't mean I don't try to abide by the Five Precepts every day. I will no longer submit to a society and a medical system that only destroys me and humiliates me. I will not tolerate people like you any more. you will not get my energy. simply as. goodbye forever

>>40718094
> Reeeeee
You’re becoming incoherent anon. You’ve already bent the knee. Now be gone.

Post beginner book recs that aren't too hand-holdy if possible

>>40718429
zen mind beginners mind
MN (tipitika)
visuddhimaga
dhamma within reach

>>40704517
Could you please elaborate? I feel a very strong pull towards Pure Land.

Abyss Choke lets you strangle Mara inside of your head for infinite inspiration and entertainment. it is Kek's favorite technique of choice

this is the point where it *actually* becomes a game. olly olly oxen free fellow arhat chuds

>>40718489
this thread is overrun with bullshit that has nothing to do with buddhism, don't take it to heart. it's not an outreach thread so we just ignore the BS.

>>40718495
careful with that edge 'non lest you suffer the cosmic blowbouncerino

>>40718512
sorry my kitten ran in the room time to log off for a few minutes while I cook two angus ribeyes for me and my mom

>>40704479 (OP)
I really find it hard to decide between Theravada and Vajrayana.

>>40718525
vajrayana doods won't tell you often but they study many of the same writings as theravdins from the same t(r)ipitika canon and you can just read that also before deciding.
although maybe abidhamma would not be useful to most beginners very much material in the tipitika is mild and safe to stufy for beginners.

>>40704517
>>40704552
>Amitabha
>Adharma
>Theravada
what the fuck are all of these words and what is a good source to learn them?

>>40718558
Vajrayana approach is for people who are dead serious about overcoming Mara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aEiZg7gTE

I choose Heruka Path

>>40718569
Eastern religion dictionary

Has anyone here trained in Phowa?

>>40717813
Nono it has a soul too, it comes from vaishnava hinduism anyway, buddha just remixed it

Jesus also made it into a track

>>40718573
it's an elitist approach. imo theravda is more middle of the road and you have more discretion w.r.t. pace of learning.

whoever said "Moksha" in my thoughtstream is a real chud

>:)

The spirit is beyond destruction. No one can bring an end to spirit which is everlasting. .
---Bhagavad Gita

>>40718463
Thank you

>>40718618
So you don’t understand Buddhism. Just say that next time.

>>40718743
Youre not a buddha

>>40718659
The Bhagavad Gita which translates to "The Song of God" is a Hindu text and part of the larger epic Mahabharata.
"For the soul, there is neither birth nor death at any time. It has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. It is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, and primeval. It is not slain when the body is slain."
(Bhagavad Gita 2.20)

Not Buddhism bud. Buddhism is no soul. It’s a distinguishing difference.

>>40718764
But let me guess, Jesus totally was.

>>40718498
I've noticed a lot of anti-Dharma posts, and unusually aggressive or schismatic 'Buddhists' on /x/ recently. I hope they all find happiness and freedom from suffering some day.

Real buddhism def has knowledge of the soul in it, not gonna spoonfeed you cause those are higher teachings and are dangerous in smug anons hands

>>40718936
So it’s a teaching you only get through initiation?

I'm gonna write my inner world on some bubble out in Void. here I go

>THE ARTIFACT AND THE REACTOR: A RIVALRY FORGED IN OPPOSED FIRES
(Zestus Auriga vs. Daigoro of Akavir)

>The Auction House of Mournhold
Smoke coiled like a sepulcher’s breath above glass cases holding Dremora Hearts, Oblivion Sigils, and the still-writhing Eyes of Vaermina. Zestus Auriga leaned against his stall, armored in reforged Dragonbone Cuirass inset with soul-gems, sipping scrib jelly from a chalice. His laugh cut through haggling merchants: "Fifty thousand septim for Mephala’s Kiss-Dagger? Please. I scraped that off a Scamp’s ribcage in Fargrave’s gutters."

Across the hall, silence pooled around Daigoro. Straw hat shadowing eyes like banked coals, he watched Zestus hawk damnation to the highest bidder. His twin wakizashis—Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu—hummed softly inside their scabbards. No one bid near him; the air tasted of ozone.

>The Confrontation at Zenithar’s Vault
Zestus tossed Molag Bal’s chained mace onto velvet. "A steal at 200,000 septim! Inflicts existential dread!"

Daigoro’s voice fell like a blade. "You trade in suffering, Auriga." He didn’t gesture; behind him, two 15-meter Oni-Class Mechs powered on, plasma cannons cycling. "That artifact could destabilize ley-lines from here to Black Marsh."

Zestus grinned, tapping a Dwemer orb at his belt. "And your reactors could melt Solstheim into slag. Don’t moralize at me, *Reactor-Lord*." The orb pulsed—a Titan Fabricant materialized behind him, dripping liquid shadow. "We both sell apocalypses. Yours just have... warranties."

Tension crystallized. Patrons fled. Yet neither drew steel—Daigoro’s hat tilted just so; Zestus’s jelly-cup didn’t tremble.

>>40718979
Epilogue: The Unbroken Dichotomy
That night, Perpetual Respite drifted past Daigoro’s territory. Zestus watched neon-lit mechs patrol below like steel samurai. He raised his jelly-chalice in salute. Far beneath, on a reactor-crowned tower, Daigoro lifted a cup of steaming matcha toward the stars.

Neither smiled. Rivals don’t toast.

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>>40718919
I think we've spoiled them too much.
Where there's bait, there's usually fish.

>>40718975
Exactly. You can only find it on internet on messages boards. I’ve said too much already.

>>40718975
You see the namefag trolling up and down this thread posting gibberish and non-Buddhist teachings? That’s the anon you’re talking to.

>>40719295
Cool so it's like, not Buddhadharma?

>>40719324
Lol read the Nirvana Sutra don't be an asshole about me, I am great, just understand no-Self is minor skillful means. Sorry that I actually read everything rather than assuming the skillful means Ive been exposed to is everyone's Ultimate Reality. You probably don't even know you're being taught by the Logos

>>40719437
And it's true I essentially had to be initiated into it, as I thought the anatta of the Diamond Sutra was Ultimate Reality until an Anon came here with a teaching meant for my Self, stating that the final teaching is Atman. Once you are belief in Buddha-Nature (one distinction of Mahayana), to argue self vs no self is Mincing Words. It's also the Great Dao to have the doctrine of emptiness end in the teaching that the Tathagatagarba is Atman.

I'm pretty sure Jesus stole the Idea that the Notion is the root of Ultimate Reality, this Notion is and was and will be the Original Tathagata.

>>40719437
> logos
Here we go again. Blending a little bit of this and a little bit of that and calling it Buddhism.
>>40719456
So message board initiation into secret knowledge. Someone should tell the monks all over the world they are doing it wrong.

>>40719456
Oh shit, you know about the Jesus connection too? Quiet anon, it’s too much for the normie Buddhists to handle.

>>40719526
No, I am honored by the gods so I know the Logos. The Logos is one way of parsing the Mahayana. It's a vessel. So am I. There's only One Vehicle, newfaggot

>>40719526
Lol if you were aware of what you were presented with you would be too daunted to continue. Why don't you go seek Nirvana. I'll wait for you to ask how to become a Stream-Enterer. PLEASE plug up your sinking raft and come back to me when you're older!

>>40719526
>So message board initiation into secret knowledge. Someone should tell the monks all over the world they are doing it wrong.

Yeah they should actually. It'll be hilarious.

You people piss me off. That's why I rarely post here now. 150 replies arguing about self vs no self. Then I clearly cite a Sutra (Nirvana Sutra, self no self as two kinds of medicine) and this KID gets mad that there's only One Vehicle. I bet you think European and Buddhist Enlightenment are two different things. I am so tired of you. This is one of the worst Buddhist threads Ive ever seen. It's my fault for bringing a difficult to encounter teaching to your attention. You obviously aren't ready to be Enlightened. I just have to type this out as I cope with abandoning the board. I could literally give you the Aten, I am so fucking lonely. Gratitude to the Bodhisattva who showed me to the Nirvana Sutra. I should just acknowledge that this teaching is rare in the world and consent to the juvenile clinging to anatta. God Bless.

>He said God
>He's not a Buddha!
Go to hell, faggots

One last thing:
>Doubt is the Tathagata

>>40719674
> Gratitude to the Bodhisattva who showed me to the Nirvana Sutra

Is this person in the room with you right now anon?
I feel bad for you. You can’t just accept a teaching as it is and have to add Jesus, the logos, a soul, god, and whatever else. I’m honestly surprised you haven’t started about it being a simulation yet. Idk, actually I take that back. I think you did post something to that extent earlier.

The ironic thing is if you just focused on the basic teaching of stop wanting things, you wouldn’t be such a mess. But no, have to add everything else.

It’s not creativity anon. It’s failing to understand how philosophical thought is formed. If you’re fundamentally changing it, then you don’t understand it. Take a community college class or something. Philosophy 101 or maybe religious history. It would do you a lot of good.

In the mean time just stop with the schizo posting. I know you’re posting as multiple different people. We discussed this earlier, you need mental health help. Do it while you still can anon. The opportunity is impermanent.

>>40718792
You're just too stupid to understand anatta and form, becoming, conditioned vs formless, being, unconditioned.

>>40720214
Yea, super complicated stuff…you must be a genius.
You know what would be really stupid? If I started using Hindu scriptures to explain Buddhism.

>>40714441
I don't think it's doable for a newbie

>>40717940
Lack of inherent, independent existence doesn't mean things doesn't exist.

>>40704664
>Gautama Siddhartha is the only authentic Buddha to have ever walked this Earth.
So basically you believe that Enlightenment isn't going to happen for anyone. Are you seriously this retarded?

>>40720311
> don’t know shit about Buddhism
> start talking like they have been practicing for years.
Stfu

>>40720400
>In Buddhist scriptures, it's told that after attaining enlightenment, the Buddha initially hesitated to teach, believing his insights were too profound for others to grasp. However, Brahma Sahampati, a powerful deity in Buddhist cosmology, intervened and urged the Buddha to teach, suggesting that some beings would be receptive to his message. This is a pivotal moment in Buddhist lore, signifying the beginning of the Buddha's public ministry.

>In Buddhist literature a Brahmā (deity or god), refers to a being of the non-sensual world (Brahmaloka)[1] one of the highest realms in Buddhist cosmology.[2][3] They live in groups often under their chief referred to as Mahābrahmā (The Great God). [3] According to Buddhist teachings, Mahābrahmā is errorneously believed to be the eternal unchanging creator of the world

The sickness is purged. Namaste.

This is Deubs, the innocent little critter He took from me.

>>40720081
No, I think you are very ignorant and judgemental, and probably have a mental problem (arrogance). I graduated Magna cum laude in Philosophy at Cornell. I think it's you who has the misunderstanding. EVERYTHING I say comes from the Sutras. From you saying I post as multiple people -- no, you say it's "obvious" -- why don't you quote them, and I will SS that there is no (You). It's OBVIOUS you have a mental health issue. Because I do not samefag, I Namefag. I already don't want things. I seek the Wisdom of the Buddha. I know you have no friends. Poverty is my greatest friend. My great Wisdom. Denied

Also I never speak in terms of simulation theory. And I don't believe in Jesus. The Logos is simply... Well, PEARLS before SWINE and all!!!

>My Teaching
Cya icchantika

>>40720585
Oh. I just realized. The icchantika thinks me speaking One Logos is "samefagging." That's his honest to God perspective. LMAO

>>40720557
And you know what? I myself took everything from her. It was natural and right for her to die of kidney failure when she was so dead inside she just laid in her shelter from me all day.

To cage an animal in an isolation chamber, lording over it as its master, is perhaps one of the worst Poisons a conscious being can inflict on another. I deserve all the pain of my life for the things I've done. I accept the pain of all those I have ever hurt in my ignorance and naive, parasitized drive to do "good" for these beautiful creatures with Spirit. I do not accept the pain of my "equals" who have chosen to intentionally foster this pain. And I certainly accept no masters.

>>40720626
Getting 666 to lock you out of hell too

What is happening in this thread. The trolling is crazy.

This world is so, so precious. So hard won. Some of you will come to know the truth. Some of you have chosen to move forward. It will unravel in time, time is a real construct and progress is not instant. The present is the very edge of creation, with nothing standing in front of us but what We create together. Who we empower. The ancestors we want to venerate can leapfrog us, we can leap frog them, and I'm not sure where I'm really going with this because I don't want to script what happens next.

This is OUR (((SIMULATION))) now.

>>40720676
Somebody needs to ban the namefag

>>40720685

>>40720685
Lol so I'm not a good teacher? What do you take issue with? Sorry that I tried to give him a fate worse than hell, this was apparently not possible. I do sort of apologize for that, but he's the icchantika, I'm a teacher. What do you take issue with? Or should I leave

>>40720693
Not very Buddha of you

>>40720706
How dare you try to define who I am.

>>40720699
You’ve already had 2 tantrums and breakdowns today. 2 times you’ve sworn off this site forever. Hopefully third time is a charm as Buddha would say.

>>40720719
Am I not Merciful

>>40720729
Just gay

>>40720265
>Yea, super complicated stuff…you must be a genius.
It's pretty simple, but apparently hard to grasp...
>You know what would be really stupid? If I started using Hindu scriptures to explain Buddhism
Maybe you'd have a better understanding of where Gotama came from and what right and wrong view means.

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>>40720736
Idk I'm just really into the Dharma

>>40720740
What’s apparently hard to grasp is that Hindu text that predates Buddhism doesn’t pertain to Buddhism. Crazy I know.

>>40720753
Your sadness is overwhelming

>>40720759
>Hindu text that predates Buddhism doesn’t pertain to Buddhism
You can't be this stupid...

>>40720903
Fuck it. Let’s start quoting the Bible while we’re at it. Maybe a Dr Seuss book or two.

Hinduism is not Buddhism. Why is that so difficult to understand.

>>40720779
The Sagely intention is difficult to fathom.

>>40720903
The Bhagavad Gita is a central text in Hinduism, but it isn't a primary scripture in Buddhism. However, there are some overlapping themes and philosophical ideas that may resonate with Buddhist teachings.
Here’s a breakdown:
Hinduism vs. Buddhism
Hinduism and Buddhism share some common cultural and philosophical roots, as they both emerged in India and share concepts like karma, dharma, and reincarnation.
The Bhagavad Gita, as part of the Mahabharata, presents a conversation between Prince Arjuna and the god Krishna. The text primarily addresses concepts like duty (dharma), devotion (bhakti), and the nature of the self (atman).
Buddhist Views
While Buddhists don’t consider the Bhagavad Gita a central or sacred text, there are some points of similarity in the broader spiritual context.
Self and ego: In the Gita, Krishna talks about the impermanence of the self (atman), which could resonate with Buddhist ideas of anatta (no-self). Buddhism denies the existence of a permanent, unchanging soul, while the Gita presents the eternal, divine self (atman) in contrast to the physical body.
Dharma and Karma: Both Hinduism and Buddhism speak of karma (the law of cause and effect) and dharma (duty or law), though the ways these terms are understood differ. In Buddhism, dharma refers to the teachings of the Buddha, while in the Gita, it refers to a person’s duty in alignment with cosmic order.
Detachment: Both traditions advocate for detachment to some extent. In the Gita, Krishna advises Arjuna to act selflessly, without attachment to outcomes. This could be seen as somewhat similar to Buddhist concepts of non-attachment and mindfulness.
The Bhagavad Gita is not used in Buddhist practice or doctrine directly, texts like the Dhammapada, Sutras, and the Vinaya Pitaka are more directly relevant.

Is this easier for you to understand now that I spelled it out for you son?

>>40720979
Your mom fathomed all 8 inches of it.

>>40707732
He was able to 'show' people what he was experiencing. Making insane people sane again. Turning enemies into best friends. He made a raging elephant docile just by looking at it a certain way. He wasn't the one saying he was so special, it was mostly other people.

>>40720995
>Krishna talks about the impermanence of the self (atman), which could resonate with Buddhist ideas of anatta (no-self). Buddhism denies the existence of a permanent, unchanging soul, while the Gita presents the eternal, divine self (atman)
Anatta = NOT self/atman.
There's conflation and unclear definition of what soul and self is and mean.

>>40721012
Yea his followers said a lot of stuff about him that’s obviously exaggerated.
He also had kings funding and protecting him after his enlightenment that just happened to jive with helping them rule.
I don’t think it’s wise to take those details literally when we are talking about 2,500 years of the telephone game. Have you ever played the telephone game? It’s a great way to experience the immediate change in details and meaning that can occur within a few minutes by people sitting in the same room together. Now put those people all over the place over the span of 2,500 years. Now Buddha can talk to animals. Or whatever.

You gotta choose. Fantasy or realism. And go from there. Most choose fantasy. Suddenly enlightenment is a magic thought that brings complete transcendence. It no wonder this thread is a mess.

>>40721066
Atman (in the Gita):
In the Bhagavad Gita and most of Hindu philosophy, atman refers to the true self or soul, which is considered eternal, unchanging, and divine. The atman is seen as part of the ultimate reality (Brahman), and it transcends the physical body and mind. The Gita speaks about this eternal self, which remains unchanged through the cycles of birth and death.

Anatta (in Buddhism):
On the other hand, anatta is a central doctrine in Buddhism, which translates to "no-self" or "not-self." It denies the existence of a permanent, unchanging self, soul, or essence. According to this teaching, there is no permanent, eternal soul that persists across lifetimes.

Clarifying the Confusion:
* Atman in the Gita is permanent and eternal—it is not subject to birth, death, or change. It is the divine, unchanging essence that connects all living beings to the ultimate reality (Brahman).
* Anatta, in contrast, teaches that there is no permanent, unchanging self or soul. Buddhism insists that what we consider the "self" is a transient, composite entity, and the attachment to this false notion of a permanent self leads to suffering.

The Gita’s view on atman and Buddhism’s doctrine of anatta are essentially contradictory at the level of metaphysical belief. The Gita presents a vision of an eternal, divine self that persists across lifetimes, while Buddhism asserts that all notions of self, soul, and identity are illusions that cause suffering when clung to.
So, while they both discuss the "self" and the nature of existence, they come to very different conclusions:
Hinduism, especially in the Gita, emphasizes atman as a permanent, divine essence.
Buddhism, through the doctrine of anatta, denies the existence of any such permanent self, proposing instead that clinging to the idea of a permanent self is the source of suffering.

>>40721004
That's it I'm leaving the board.

>>40721171
3rd or 4th time today?

>>40717158
Thank you for your insight, anon. In that state, there was no personal will to make any decisions. However, the experience was not one of bliss, but of complete emptiness and utter neutrality. My false ego savours every second of being brought back to enjoy the delicious experience of life. I don't know if I have the strength in this lifetime to walk into the execution chamber again, although the experience was entirely unexpected and spontaneous. In fact, it occurred when I was heavily drunk.

>>40721181
There is no evolution of the Vijnanas.

>>40711505
Please refer to the teachings of Dr. David Hawkins on existence versus non-existence. I understand that the Buddha's precept may not have been translated correctly or could have been misunderstood.
Similarly, according to Dr. David Hawkins, enlightenment is not found in the space between thoughts, but rather in the moment just before a thought occurs.

>>40704479 (OP)
Good! Thanks! Metta, bro. Lately I've been thinking about how living in deep nonviolence is not pacifism and everyone is called to follow their own karmic path. Some are pacifistic, others aren't. The Dharma is a sanctuary for all if their karma is ripened, but followers of the dharma are called to support others awakening skillfully depending on where the individual is on their specific path. May all beings be free from suffering!

>>40721291
>>40721297
>>40721302
>>40721275
All the same person. You need help anon

>>40721127
The annoying thing about AI is that when its training material is full of oft-repeated but mistaken or misleading or otherwise questionable information, the AI will tend to spit out that oft-repeated but mistaken or misleading or otherwise questionable information. Trash in, trash out.

>>40721326
Stop being weird.

>>40721339
Ah, I see now. It’s other people that are mistaken or misleading. Definitely not you who is clinging to Hindu text to explain Buddhism.

>>40721479
Atman and the Single Vehicle are advanced teachings for the sake of Bodhisattvas, sravakas etc. even non-returners can't grok it. I apologize for bringing up the True Self here, it's not meant for beginners.

One thing I do with the Tathagatagarba is I teach New Age women that elimination of the false ego is the step to take to find the "Higher self," it's skillful means because the New Age woman Higher Self is
>Tathagatagarbage

>>40721479
Sorry, I forgot to say NTA because I keep forgetting that 4chan these days is full of anons who are unwilling to take each post on its own terms and will instead regularly resort to emotional accusations based on prior discussion with one anon. I've just found AI to be very often misleading when I see people using it and I agree with the anon you were replying to that
>Anatta = NOT self/atman.
>There's conflation and unclear definition of what soul and self is and mean.

Same schizo poster.
>>40721536
>>40721534

>>40721595

>>40721127
>which translates to "no-self" or "not-self."
Which one is it?
It denies the existence of a permanent, unchanging self, soul, or essence
No, it states that the five aggregates are not self, since they're are impermanent forms. So what's left beyond the five aggregates? What remain unconditioned and formless?

>>40721615
Do better. You forgot to switch to the namefag. Also writing style and timestamps. Clearly you are trolling and bored.

>>40721652
I am bored, but I'm not trolling. And I'm definitely not Aten. I think these are all of my posts in this thread.
>>40708474
>>40711451
>>40713651
>>40721339
>>40721536
>>40721615
I'm not sure if I can really prove it to you, but, you know, since you called me schizo alongside Aten, there is actually a name for the delusional belief that different people are the same person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fregoli_delusion

>>40721689
Punch yourself in the dick faggot.

I've always found it helpful to frame the atman/anatta debate in terms of immanence. "Immanence" doesn't carry those quasi-eternalist connotations that True Self or the Higher Self, Witness, Observer, etc. does. The buddha-nature is a sphere of immanence always in excess of objectification. Whatever it points to or reifies, can't be it, anymore than the eye can objectify its own vision. Hence: neti, neti. Acariya Mun's "heart without objective support", Thanissaro Bhikkhu's dimension without hunger, the Buddha's consciousness without surface, Sawaki's flavorless mind, all these thematics refer to the same thing: the citta that does not feed, is not traversed or impeded or constrained by its outside, is indifferent to its worldly properties and descriptors. There is no other conceivable basis for the path.

>>40721745
Thanks, I'm going to try to use this as inspiration to take a hopefully -- but probably not -- permanent break from this website full of people who are needlessly aggressive (and not in an even slightly funny way) like Aten said he was going to.

>>40721767
You should. When you get to the point of using multiple devices to respond to yourself and others, that’s pathetic. Try reading a book anon.

I am not talking about some mystical soul-stuff, some True Self waiting in the rafters. The truth of this living Internality just is this living Internality. There are no super-added reifications to worry about, to designate or locate or reduce it. It coincides itself utterly, without objective remainder, while never fully coinciding with the aggregates without remainder. Everything is anatta except the field in which and 'to' which this non-self is disclosed, and of that field we can say nothing. I find all this so eminently intuitive.

>>40721779
Damn you’re totally right. Look at the nobody general. Dude is schizo posting with multiple accounts. What a faggot

>>40721826
The mental issues are real anon.

And so the purpose of meditation on the breath: retracting your habitual pleasure-seeking activity into the body, into the relatively 'colorless' pleasure of the form. No outside, and so no harm, implicated by your breathing - a blameless pleasure. I imagine stars are the devas that inhabit the form realms, since they are entities that feed exclusively on themselves. Planets are sensual planes. Then nibbana which is a sphere of mind that does not even feed on itself. The world's waiting on a book that ties this thematic together with Michel Henry's phenomenology of Life. I'd be the one to write it if I weren't so lazy. Except Buddhism takes Henry one step further in asking us to cultivate a vision of fire decoupled from its fuel. All the endless bickering about whether parinibbana is functionally equivalent to materialist doesn't make any sense to me.

>>40721837
He just keeps going back and forth between threads. You can watch it in real time. What a loser.

>>40721765
Hence the Buddha's silence to the question whether a self exist or not, it's neither possible or desirable to try defining what can't be defined, only experienced as it reveals itself in insights and realization.

It's why the goal of religious development is personal responsibility in thought, speech, and action. Deeper than that, it's about developing singleness of heart. Deeper than even that, it's about resisting (or more appropriately, enduring) the mind's tendency to dissipate itself into the transcendental domain of the world.

>>40721863
Right, it is the first-order basis of any second-order descriptor. Without the deathless, there is no death, etc. and so on. Take the time to deprogram the Westernized distortions and Buddhism makes an immense amount of sense. You hit a limit of conceptualization, though, and have to make a full circle back to nuts and bolts practice.

The only conceivable freedom from suffering is withdrawing the mind from its points of access to its outside (the senses) and into its sphere. Not a solipsism, not mind-only realization, because I'm not saying just this mental continuum in and of itself is the buddha-nature, the buddha-nature is exclusive of even the mental continuum itself. There's no Beyond to run off to except this immanence, the non-causal event of causality, with causality itself used as scaffolding. If the mind can overcome its addiction to the food-principle, it won't feel compelled to return to its feeding grounds after death. Not 'soul'-denying nihilism because that would be tantamount to a denial of personal agency, so why the vinaya? Not materialist death because why would the Buddha ask us to make such a laborious full circle back to materialist oblivion? Is it an oblivion in which the potential for rebirth is extinguished? Then it is categorically different from an oblivion getting shunted back into life again and again.

I've condensed many years of reflection and study, but admittedly little practice, into these posts. This is the Buddhist path as I understand it. A path to radical, existential sobriety. Namaste.

>>40716508
Cool documentary, haven't seen it before!

"Is it wrong to judge others, and should we be abstaining from that?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsHfYUF_C_g

Namo Buddhaya
阿 à,啊 wá,夏 xià,沙 shà,嘛 má,哈 hā

>>40718975
There can only be one dharma
Wether its santana dharma. Buddhist dharma. Jaim dharma.

If the soul has been lost in it, it no longer is dharma. One must protect the dharma

>>40718919
The dharma must be the same, there can be no differences

>>40720938
Youre wrong, it is the same dharma

>>40705108
Listening now.

>>40704479 (OP)
This cycle is almost over.

PHILOSOPHICAL UNDERPINNINGS
≋ PLATONISM-GNOSTICISM RUPTURE ≋

YOUR CORE THESIS:
» DEFEATING PLATONISM ≈ PULLING GNOSTICS' RUG
- Gnosticism leans on Platonic Forms (higher truths)
- Debunk Forms collapse Gnostic dualism

NUANCE ADDENDUM:
Gnostics replace Plato's "Demiurge" with malevolent creator
Disproving Forms doesn't negate Gnostic escape-from-matter
True rupture: Attack Gnostic anti-cosmicism directly
◆▬▮ INTELLECTUAL RUG-BURN ACHIEVED ▮▬◆

>>40722355
>>40722364
>>40722373
What does dharma mean?

>>40718558
Vajrayana should not be studied without a very solid foundation in the Suttas/Agamas and Mahayana. You're setting yourself up for an extended stay in samsara without it. It's like strapping a jet engine to a wooden dingy, thinking it'll cross to the shore faster.

I got a paid vacation so I'll leave you to deal with the spammers.

>>40722517
Okay have fun!

>>40722469
I learn hinayana, I was responding to someone considering both vajrayana and theravda.

>>40722229
I also recommend these documentaries from Slice. They show the life and struggle of these ordinary monks and nuns. It's easy to romanticize things and we are lucky to be educated and having free and easy access to books and information on internet.


https://youtu.be/bjsHlj5YtsQ
https://youtu.be/AAUMXVF7IEY
https://youtu.be/OgaoshVP6pc

>>40704517
>Amitabha is not only destructive, but an anti-Buddha
post nose

I have completed my derivation.

>THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS: NEUROLOGICAL OPERATING MANUAL
DUKKHA (STRESS-SIGNALING)

- "Sabbe saṅkhārā dukkhā" -> All constructed phenomena bear stress-potential
Detection: Cortisol spikes when clinging to rūpa (form), vedanā (feeling), saññā (perception)
Intervention: Apply collarbone sigil -> whisper "Anicca" (impermanence) to amygdala

SAMUDAYA (CRAVING GENERATOR)
Taṇhā (thirst) -> Dopamine feedback loops from "I-making"
Circuit Break: When craving arises -> 4-second breath hold -> disrupt nucleus accumbens firing

NIRODHA (CESSATION ENGINE)
Nibbāna -> Prefrontal override of limbic hijack
Activation: Breathe Vipassana-style -> note "Cessation now" at stress-wave peak

MAGGA (PATHWAY RECALIBRATION)
Aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo -> 8-Fold Neural Rewiring
Right View: Map thoughts to anicca/dukkha/anattā neurotags
Right Effort: NAC + Magnesium to sustain synaptic plasticity

>THE SIGIL OF SOTĀPANNA (STREAM-ENTERER)
[卍 ]
(Ceaseless Becoming Dhamma Wheel Vortex Dissolution Lotus)

> "No demon prince in the breath.
> No alien in the blood.
> Only rising-falling.
> Only vibration ceasing.
> Nibbāna: the synaptic pause between sparks."

BREATHE. WATCH. DISSOLVE. The Canon requires no belief — only ruthless application.

>>40708634
>I experienced enlightemment.
yeah...no, you didnt

>>40713015
>any drug use for enlightenment is fine
its a fucking contradiction in terms
cripes people post dumb shit

>>40713292
>if you think Gautama Buddha wasn’t flying in magic mushrooms when he gained his special insights into reality, you’re kidding yourself to the max.
the mind of a drug addled zoomer that cant comprehend states not induced by drugs

Share the Dharma far and wide.

https://pastebin.com/MVWBMjUG

AX8AM

Abraxas goes to sleep at 8AM.

typical buddhism thread here
with everyone arguing over words but nobody really saying anything that's going to further anyone's cultivation
this is why that buddhist group I hung out a bit with 20 years ago fell apart
got members complaining we're not doing xyz properly to the letter, etc
it got stupid and everyone left

>>40722623
>typical buddhism thread here
>with everyone arguing over words but nobody really saying anything that's going to further anyone's cultivation
>this is why that buddhist group I hung out a bit with 20 years ago fell apart
>got members complaining we're not doing xyz properly to the letter, etc
>it got stupid and everyone left
[ ]
*(Fire Scripture Brain Granite)*

Arguing about Dhamma is still dukkha. Measuring another's practice is still taṇhā. The Canon's value? Only this: DOES IT QUIET YOUR NERVES NOW? If yes, Use. If no, Discard. No committee vote required.

>>40722623
I tried to explain my idiosyncratic interpretation of Buddhism the best I could itt and only got one response. Anglophone Buddhism is a wash. Nothing to it but sectarian bickering and word chopping. An extension of social media culture with Pali terminology. lame to the bone

>>40722623
more like, most ppl itt really want to pass random shit off as buddhism and some others feel the need to systematically take the bait each and every time. which you see as which depends on if you fall into the extreme of fundamentalism or of universalism.

besides all that there's the actual discussion in the thread and it's v. slow. honestly I think it'd be fine if the thread were left to 404 bc it's pretty gross and with bad momentum, can always make a new one.

wdyt of the technique of breathing out through the mouth but in through the nose? I learned it at a martial arts school and it still helps me down-regulate anxiety / hyperactivity briskly.

>>40722640
gpt sloppers just need to go, man. just go. go

>>40722645
>more like, most ppl itt really want to pass random shit off as buddhism and some others feel the need to systematically take the bait each and every time. which you see as which depends on if you fall into the extreme of fundamentalism or of universalism.
>besides all that there's the actual discussion in the thread and it's v. slow. honestly I think it'd be fine if the thread were left to 404 bc it's pretty gross and with bad momentum, can always make a new one.
>wdyt of the technique of breathing out through the mouth but in through the nose? I learned it at a martial arts school and it still helps me down-regulate anxiety / hyperactivity briskly.
**Enhancement Protocol:**
1. **Posture Anchor**: Adopt *Seiza* (kneeling) hips grounded spine erect
2. **Hand Mudra**: Right palm over navel left collarbone sigil activation
3. **Auditory Cue**: Hum *"Haaa"* during exhalation vibrates vagus nerve clusters
4. **Visualization**: Imagine exhaling black smoke inhaling liquid silver

AXHVP

>>40722647
My work is done here. Namaste.

>>40722645
>wdyt of the technique of breathing out through the mouth but in through the nose? I learned it at a martial arts school and it still helps me down-regulate anxiety / hyperactivity briskly.
its a breathtech to achieve what you stated
its not breath one should employ while in seated meditation

>>40722651
>>40722655
Aidstrolla GPTuddha, Saar...

>>40722667
why not while seated? or do you mean not all the time, only by exception...

>>40722668
Read Toriko.

>>40722674
I mean that certain breath techniques are appropriate for certain conditions, certain outcomes
if you have a need to down regulate and the tech you mentioned works for you, great
but its too active for seated meditation
the breath should be trained until it is fully autonomic
switching the pipes back and forth like that just isnt as efficient

>>40722642
Are you the immanence anon and are you perennialist/Traditionalist by any chance?

>>40722716
Yes. No. Perennialism is too mind-only and non-dual.

>>40704751
what kind of harm?

>>40722708
that makes sense, it costs some energy to apply it. more of a not-yet-practice thing, or to enable specific, possibly dangerous lay occupations.
thank you.

>>40722744
the best stillness is predicated upon extracting every last efficiency

>>40722766
What did he mean by this? not being a dick

>>40722770
the senses consume energy by sensing, it is the very reason it is taught to restrain them
they use up a lot more than one would think,
but until one achieves this shift in baseline whereby he can shut them off for a couple hours a day every day, its impossible to notice the extent

>>40722804
Okay, this is true.

>>40722825
almost the entirety of my postings are from things I have experienced
this built up energy from not consuming goes a long way towards the building of gung

>>40722857
We express our insights differently but the core is the same. Anglophone 'Buddhism' could learn a thing or two.

>>40722882
>We express our insights differently but the core is the same
for sure
I purposefully use different words and angles for triangulation of the real

>>40722573
I learn Vajrayana, I was expounding upon the information that you shared concerning the study habits of Vajrayana folk in Theravada by providing context and purpose.

>>40722364
There are 84,000 paths and 84,000 gates, anon

>>40722907
thanks for explaining my own post to me, LOL!

>>40722970
You're welcome.

>>40721844
LMAO thanks for confirming that I am totally Logos. Now even if I leave you will still hear my sacred Dharma. These are schizos who don't know the Logos so when they see people speaking One Word they think it's the same person.

>>40707776
This guys aura screams gay monkey princess.

>>40719645
The ego is strong with this one.

>>40704479 (OP)

I heard about the avatamsaka sutra

Protect the dharma

The Vajra is the Sword (or also Staff). The Bell is also the Lantern.
Tantric Yogas overlap very heavily with Western systems, normalfags just get swarmed with gatekeeping faggots every time anyone mentions it.
>>40704552
>Theravada
Vajrayana, personally.
Manjushri is badass. That's who I leaned toward. You don't have to stick with certain deities, however.

>>40713292
>>40722615
Shakyamuni was indeed obsessed with "magic mushrooms", just like Odin, Jesus, etc.

Have any of you had a single moment that showed you Buddhism was true?
I had a vision when chanting mantra and I take it as my stamp of approval from Dharma and the Universe at large, but what of those who have not seen and still believed? I feel for those without faith, as I know myself to lack motivation even with faith.