The name that can be named is not the eternal name

>>40751654 (OP)
Daoism

>>40751654 (OP)
Actually you can name it, but only for yourself, and you might not want to use that name for long.

>>40751654 (OP)
the sound that can be heard is not the eternal sound
the silence that can be encapsulated is not the eternal silence

The asshole that can be fucked is not the eternal asshole.

>>40751654 (OP)
yeah yeah, the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon
all words are abstractions
got anything more insightful?

>>40755905
where is the divine (call it dao, unnameable, what have you) to be found?
>between mine and not-mine

when you see certain things as mine, certain things become non-mine
therefore the master does not try to posses anything,
thus everything is put to it's proper use.
when the work is done, she let's go of it, gently

зaдницy

>>40751654 (OP)
In that case YHWH is not the actual name of God?

>>40756540
No, it's a descriptor. He is the source of all existence

>>40756159
>where is the divine (call it dao, unnameable, what have you) to be found?
it is to be found right within oneself

>>40757112
there is only oneself
not within or without
one movement
one continuous unnameable substance patterning itself

Why not

>>40751654 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na47wMFfQCo

>>40757638
>1990

>>40751654 (OP)
the poop that cant be pooped is not poop

>>40757578
No reason lmao if you wanna name it go for it it's all up to us individually

>>40756554
No, it's not, it can be named, and known, therefore not eternal, we cannot comprehend eternal, at all

>>40757912
if it can be named it's not eternal >>40757912

https://youtu.be/0zJnf1Au-Ko

Re ruled the world as king of men and gods only while he was in full possession of his powers. However, at last the time came when the god-king began to grow old: according to Egyptian legend, ‘his bones were silver, his flesh was gold and his hair was real lapislazuli’ – the Egyptian way of describing old age. And his subjects became rebellious. Chief among these rebellious subjects was the goddess Isis. She, like Re, was omniscient. She was also, according to legend, ‘a woman skilled in words’, a great magician. Her ambition was to reign like Re in heaven and earth. But the only way she could achieve her ambition was by learning the Great Name of Re, his secret name. The way in which she did this is recounted in two papyri, one of which is now in the British Museum and the other in the Turin Museum.

Re had many names, but his Great Name was the one which gave him power over gods and men. It had remained hidden in his body since his birth so that no magician might gain power over him. Isis plotted in her heart the means by which she could learn it. Because Re had grown old, he was inclined to slobber at the mouth and shoot his spittle onto the ground. Isis took some of this spittle, kneaded it with soil and made it into a serpent in the form of a dart, which she laid on the path where Re was accustomed to stroll every day. When Re, accompanied by his retinue of gods, passed by the dart it took shape as a serpent from which issued a living fire. The serpent stung Re. The god opened his mouth and his cry of pain echoed round the sky. His companions rushed up to him, exclaiming, ‘What is the matter?’; gods everywhere asked, ‘What has happened?’

>>40758013
Re could not find the strength to answer them. His jaws shook, his limbs trembled as the poison seized hold of his flesh even as the Nile in flood seizes hold of the land of Egypt. At last, he managed to still the racing of his heart and summon his followers, calling out, ‘Come to me, you who were created from my limbs, who came forth from me!’ When his followers had gathered round him Re told them what had happened: ‘I know in my heart that something deadly has bitten me, but I did not see what it was. I only know that it was not something that I myself have made. I have never experienced suffering like this. I am sure it would not be possible to endure more severe pain.’

Re was profoundly shocked that he should have suffered such an attack. His Great Name ought to have ensured that such a thing could never happen. In desperation, the stricken god summoned his children, especially those gods who were skilled in magic and healing words. Not one of them was able to help their father. At last, Isis came, she who could give the breath of life with her mouth, who could drive away pain with her spells, who could bring the dead back to life with her magic words. She said, ‘What is it, divine Father?’ And Re told her what had happened to him. He continued: ‘I am colder than water, I am hotter than fire. All my limbs sweat yet I am shivering. My eyes are dim, I cannot see the sky. My face is bathed in perspiration just as if it were summertime.’

https://youtu.be/qnGnj_e6gBw

>>40758013
Re could not find the strength to answer them. His jaws shook, his limbs trembled as the poison seized hold of his flesh even as the Nile in flood seizes hold of the land of Egypt. At last, he managed to still the racing of his heart and summon his followers, calling out, ‘Come to me, you who were created from my limbs, who came forth from me!’ When his followers had gathered round him Re told them what had happened: ‘I know in my heart that something deadly has bitten me, but I did not see what it was. I only know that it was not something that I myself have made. I have never experienced suffering like this. I am sure it would not be possible to endure more severe pain.’

Re was profoundly shocked that he should have suffered such an attack. His Great Name ought to have ensured that such a thing could never happen. In desperation, the stricken god summoned his children, especially those gods who were skilled in magic and healing words. Not one of them was able to help their father. At last, Isis came, she who could give the breath of life with her mouth, who could drive away pain with her spells, who could bring the dead back to life with her magic words. She said, ‘What is it, divine Father?’ And Re told her what had happened to him. He continued: ‘I am colder than water, I am hotter than fire. All my limbs sweat yet I am shivering. My eyes are dim, I cannot see the sky. My face is bathed in perspiration just as if it were summertime.’

>>40758063
Then Isis said, ‘Tell me your Name, divine Father, for he who is called by his Name is he who shall live.’ Re cast round in his mind for a name that he could give her that would prove efficacious enough for her magic spells. He did not, of course, intend to give her his Great Name, his secret name. He played for time by listing his achievements, and then, with a great show of reluctance, revealed three of his names: ‘At dawn, I am called Khepri; at midday, Re; and in the evening, Atum.’ The wily Isis was not impressed. She waited implacably while the poison worked its way deeper and deeper into the body of the great god until he could no longer walk. Then she said, ‘You have not told me your Name. Tell me your Name so that the poison will go away. For he who is called by his Name is he who shall live.’

>>40758072
The poison burned like fire. Re cried out, ‘Swear that no one will ever know my Great Name except for yourself and your son, Horus, whom you shall bear to Osiris and who shall reign over the land of Egypt when Osiris has passed to the West, the Land of the Dead.’ Whereupon Isis swore an oath, and the secret of Re’s Great Name passed from his heart to hers. Immediately, Isis bade the poison leave his body; the poison died and Re lived.

>>40757950

Yeah it can, just be eternal with it. Not that complicated lmao.

>>40758081
https://youtu.be/OUkkaqSNduU

>>40751654 (OP)
God has a boss and it lives in his mind. Its name is Ultra God.

>>40751654 (OP)
what name cannot be named?

>>40751654 (OP)

>>40751654 (OP)
A name that can't be named is not a name.

>>40759028
>Lao-tse’s position was not that truth was incommunicable, or that words were completely useless (otherwise he would never have written his book), but rather that unless words are supplemented essentially by communication through the trans- onscious mind, no true understanding or enlightenment will develop, nor will the highest truths be understood. His later Ch’an and Zen followers in intellectualistic arrogance often derided words and language completely, revealing their self-contradiction in their voluminous writings and incessant speaking about what Zen “really means.”’

>Lao-tse specifically mentions a Tao that can be named which is efficacious in nature as well as one that cannot be named and which is even more efficacious, but which also can be understood by use of unconscious and transconscious processes of the mind, which are independent of the ordinary discursive use of words.

>>40759093
>Plato’s Seventh Letter, as we have seen, comes to the same conclusion. The flash of illumination that carries the highest explanation does not belong to the conscious verbal apparatus of the mind. All discoverers concur.

>Proclus (412-485 A.D.), whose valuable works lie mostly untranslated, understood this point, writing in the course of Chapter 29, Book II of his Platonic Theology:

>"Only the uniting with a higher consciousness bestows the successful completion of processes of the spirit that go beyond reasoning, and the accompanying power of symbols which are verbally inexpressible. Such higher processes are not worked by discursive thought and we cannot bring them into activity by mere intellectual processes. The divine characters or symbols [which could be mandalas or yantras, pictures, models, symbols, or numbers] do much more in this regard, in that we are not then (consciously) thinking. Such means unite our normal consciousness with one more divine; for the hidden divine powers on which such symbols draw recognize therein their own representations (without the necessity that we do so by any conscious thought or effort)."

>Thus in Lao-tse and Plato, the entire point was that ineffability due to the limitations of words was not an absolute
basis, but could be transcended by non-conscious powers and processes of mind.

https://youtu.be/rQIGeqYdlrY

>>40759093
>Plato’s Seventh Letter, as we have seen, comes to the same conclusion. The flash of illumination that carries the highest explanation does not belong to the conscious verbal apparatus of the mind. All discoverers concur.

>Proclus (412-485 A.D.), whose valuable works lie mostly untranslated, understood this point, writing in the course of Chapter 29, Book II of his Platonic Theology:

>"Only the uniting with a higher consciousness bestows the successful completion of processes of the spirit that go beyond reasoning, and the accompanying power of symbols which are verbally inexpressible. Such higher processes are not worked by discursive thought and we cannot bring them into activity by mere intellectual processes. The divine characters or symbols [which could be mandalas or yantras, pictures, models, symbols, or numbers] do much more in this regard, in that we are not then (consciously) thinking. Such means unite our normal consciousness with one more divine; for the hidden divine powers on which such symbols draw recognize therein their own representations (without the necessity that we do so by any conscious thought or effort)."

>Thus in Lao-tse and Plato, the entire point was that ineffability due to the limitations of words was not an absolute basis, but could be transcended by non-conscious powers and processes of mind.