Thread 40841762

What happens if you commit suicide? I just lost my best friend so it's looking like more of an option than ever. I am going to try to live my life for a few months at least before making my decision.

>>40841762 (OP)
And by "lose my best friend" I mean he died, not some friend breakup shit

>>40841762 (OP)
the pain ends

>>40841762 (OP)
The Lamas I talked to said it leads to rebirth with a more difficult human life (maybe as a disabled or retarded person), or to rebirth as animal.

>>40841832
>gets punished for killing yourself out of despair/grief

Why is literally every religion evil?

>>40841835
To explain the laws of the cosmos is not evil, it's reasonable. The Lamas didn't made this laws, they don't even say that they're good. It is just what it is.

>>40841876
Who made the laws?

>>40841881
I don't know. Maybe God.

>>40841892
Then is it not logical to assume that god is evil for inflicting this on people?

>>40841907
Yeah, buddhism kind of has this view.
Not actually evil, but the creating force of this universe is a kind of problem that needs to be solved, and the solution is to escape it's domain (samsara) and reach a state/realm without suffering (nirvana).

>>40841928
Buddhism also says that attachments are the cause of suffering and to not be desired, but they're also the only thing that makes life beautiful even if it also causes you tremendous pain

>>40841942
Well, buddhism doesn't tell you that you have to strife for nirvana if you like samsara. It's not seen as a sin to reject the Buddha. If it's way is not for you, no problem, have fun in the cycle of reincarnation.

buddhism is the most retarted religion.
duuude just stop identifying with everything that makes you yourself.

>>40841955
>have fun in the cycle of reincarnation.
But dont you effectively get punished with a worse life if you dont reach enlightenment in this one?

>>40841981
No. It depends on the karma you create. If you do good things in this life now, you will have a good next life. If you do bad things now, your next life will be bad. It's a causality with a delay.
Enlightenment means you leave the cycle.

>>40842005
In buddhism if you've done bad things in the past, can you do enough good things to balance it out?

>>40842024
Sure. In theory. But if you have been so bad that you go to a realm of hell, or have lives as a rat for the next aeon, it's difficult. Hell-beings and animal are seen as not really able to create good karma.

>>40842054
>animal are seen as not really able to create good karma
That's how I instantly know buddhism is bullshit. You can say it's reddit all you want but when you have a companion animal that loves you it's purer and more real than human beings and their social theatrics and fakeness.

>>40841762 (OP)
I don't think there's any religion that has a positive view of suicide. Self sacrifice, sure, but abrahanic tells thay you go to hell, buddhism says that it's both bad for your karma (it's violence against self) and pointless as you're still stuck in reincarnation, and I think hellenic paganism says it's a cowardly action.
So nothing good.
Personally I think you just go back to wherever you were before you were born, regardless of cause of death.

>>40842072
>That's how I instantly know buddhism is bullshit.
Well, that's how I instantly know that you're not mentally equiped to debate spiritual philosophy.
No offence, but better talk about 9/11 or something.

>>40842101
>Well, that's how I instantly know that you're not mentally equiped to debate spiritual philosophy.
If animals were not able to create good karma there would be no good natured animals, which is observably untrue.

>>40841835
Life and existence are to be affirmed as superior to death and non-existence - so says the creator of Life.

There is no merit without struggle.

While the personality may wish for death, the Soul does not. In suicide, the personality, in its blindness, robs the Soul of that continued incarnation. Hence the punishment.

>>40842234
>In suicide, the personality, in its blindness, robs the Soul of that continued incarnation. Hence the punishment.
False. You, "your personality", is your soul. You are you. That's it.

>>40842243
Blindness.

>>40842247
Every religion tries to trick you into surrendering yourself to oblivion and attaining the "enlightenment" of ego death and self erasure.

>>40842280
My religion affirms Life.

>>40842287
>by submitting to the ultimate and final death
Whatever you say doesn't matter anyway, I will always remember you took the covid shot kek

>>40842308
The forces of chaos, hatred, fear, darkness, and disunity do not care for me.

>>40842321
You were scared of the flu.

>>40842335
No. I wished to prevent pestilence from killing weaker people. I chose health, and not sickness. Life, and not death. I chose the future, not the past.

>>40842339
Hahahahaha

>>40841762 (OP)
It depends. What happens is different for everyone. We're on our own individual journeys so it depends. One things for sure, there is no judgement. You could die then be like wow why did I just do that or you never know, that may have been the way you planned to go out. You won't know til you do it and you're back on the other side.

>>40842348
There is definitely judgement.

>>40842349
There is only judgement if you choose there to be. Otherwise there simply is not. You can reference a society that collapsed thousands of years ago all you want but their knowledge most certainly did not save them.

>>40841762 (OP)
You are more than this body. You are a multidimensional being experiencing the 3d dimension. You are a sovereign being. Your life is yours. You own explanations only to yourself. Karma is a rule only as you fail to realize is a trap, indenture servitude. If there's a rule to follow is don't bring pain into others as you don't want pain into your life. If you really want to take your life and not for petty reason you own explanations to no one.

>>40842484
... the Initiates of ancient Egypt knew the Cosmic Law which rules the whole Universe.

>I'll just judge myself Good

haha, no, that's not how divine justice works.

>>40842581
Uh-huh. Every blind man thinks he's figured out the elephant. Truth is even now - we just plain don't know. There is something, maybe it follows rules but usually it doesn't. All I know is - there's no judgement. I've seen it myself, and chose to come back from death just because I wanted to hang out with my friends and family as a mortal with limitations for just a little bit longer before the creative mode was unlocked again.

First of all don't kill yourself. Second of all nothing happens after you kill yourself. If there was something after you'd know. No one who claims otherwise is being honest.

>>40842101
Kudos for engaging professionally, but clearly anon already had his narrative and won't change or entertain another worldview.

>>40843008
Yeah because I have personally witnessed animals being good natured. To imply they have no positive karmic value is really a callous and evil thing to say. They are individuals, like people.

>>40842072
nta
the buddha accrued positive karma as a rabbit by sacrificing himself to a starving man
that guy doesn't know what he's talking about

>>40843016
>animal are seen as not really able to create good karma
>not really
NTA. There seems to be room for them to accumulate good karma. That's how I interpreted from the other anon. Of course I imagine you can accumulate massive amount of "good" karma than any singular animal could. Also try to communicate without saying evil this and evil that.

>>40843046
>Also try to communicate without saying evil this and evil that.
I call it like I see it

It depends.

Are there other people in your life who would be emotionally harmed by your premature death?

And if you feel compelled to commit suicide by environmental factors, are you utilizing all available means to attempt to rectify these factors prior to your suicide?

A guaranteed consequence of suicide is that you won't get to participate in the future. It's hard to know what's really coming, but the 2040s are going to be nothing like the current year.

>>40843146
>Are there other people in your life who would be emotionally harmed by your premature death?
Only my mother. She also has stage 4 cancer and it's unclear if she will survive or not, I hope she does. If she doesn't then I will have absolutely no reason not to.

>are you utilizing all available means to attempt to rectify these factors prior to your suicide?
The reason why I want to is because my pet bird, who was truly my best friend and had been for the last 10 years, died Wednesday. Every day is worse. I don't want to live in a world that doesn't have him in it.

>>40842280
>>40842287
namefag samefag allfag
how was summer vaca w/ ur dad?

>>40843158
Ohhhh you're the nigga who asked a demon to heal his bird lmaooo. I KNEW the bounce back you saw was terminal lucidity but I didn't want to derail the thread saying so.
You're extremely fucked if you die now, purge yourself of the demon, I recommend calling upon your favorite demon hunter to assist you

>>40843178
>You're extremely fucked if you die now, purge yourself of the demon
He did help me though. And so did Dantalion for a different unrelated matter. I never asked Marbas to make him immortal, I asked for more time, so that I didn't have to say goodbye to him "yet". I received what I asked for.

>>40843203
Let's be clear. You gave a demon the easiest job in the world: sit and wait for your retarded ass to mistake terminal lucidity for his work. You are a rube. They laugh at you behind your back. They are not here to help you.

>>40843216
"God" wouldn't have helped me. And he destined me from the start to love a being with a much shorter life span than mine, knowing how badly it would hurt.

>>40843254
I promise you your bird experienced natural terminal lucidity that occurred with NO EXTERNAL INFLUENCE. Mabus didn't do shit. Mabus does not cure old age. Giving yourself up to demons just before killing yourself. Lol. The point of demon worship is to improve your material life, and you just get into it to die immediately. Incomprehensible. Genuinely the stupidest demon worshipper I have ever encountered.
Should have gotten an african gray parrot or a tortoise if you were going to angst about losing your first pet. Your issue might be that you didn't lose 20+ beloved hamsters or goldfish or hermit crabs as a kid to get used to it. Your mom having cancer should probably be your real issue, which you'd be projecting onto an animal.

>>40843296
>I promise you your bird experienced natural terminal lucidity
Terminal lucidity doesn't last weeks.

>>40843296
>Your issue might be that you didn't lose 20+ beloved hamsters or goldfish or hermit crabs as a kid to get used to it. Your mom having cancer should probably be your real issue, which you'd be projecting onto an animal.
Fuck off you worthless piece of shit.

>>40843299
It can last several days. Regardless, calling on demons just to kill yourself a couple months later is still the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You HAVE to correct one of these two conflicting issues. Demons do not give boons after you're dead and you don't actually owe them allegiance to the death.

Pues,en mi opinión no deberías de hacer nada,el dolor termina,amigo.

>>40843305
Fuck off YOU piece of shit, you think my hermit crabs weren't actually important to me? You think it didn't give me lifelong trust issues when my family let them die while I was away? I just don't trust people with my animals any more man. Get fucking bent in hell by your demon buddies you retard.

Why are demon worshippers beyond help, /x/?

>>40842584
We all have sparks of the divine, our judgement of ourselves and others is in part divine. This is why you see serial killers admit guilt

>>40841762 (OP)
>Lost my best friend
How did you manage to have a friend??? You mean irl right?

>>40843330
I called you a piece of shit because you're saying I'm overreacting about my rooster and should only care about my mother right now.

>>40843424
>>40843330
Do you have anything else to say for yourself?

>>40843424
Threatening suicide because of a pet is infact an overreaction.

>>40843523
He was not just a "pet". I told you in the OP, he was my best friend. I don't care if you think that's childish or reddit.

>>40843540
Do you think you're special in considering an animal your best friend? Or do you think you're special in being so self-isolated that you can hardly consider any other humans friends? You should watch Adventure Time. Maybe get a chest tattoo of your birb.

>>40843575
>Do you think you're special in considering an animal your best friend?
I think he was special.
>You should watch Adventure Time. Maybe get a chest tattoo of your birb.
Do you really think you're the good guy for mocking my grief?

>>40843600
It's genuine advice, not mocking. Finn is an inspirational figure for your situation in particular.

if you actually think about actually doing it and you live in the us then I highly encourage you do it it's much easier than any other country living is meaningless if you don't got any purpose or something that gives you meaning you wouldn't notice your death humans are actually soo miniscule they don't matter nobody would notice it you died or continued living if the meaning of life for you was to have that pet then you should kill yourself nigga

>>40843640
this is the kind of shit you attract into your life when you worship demons

>>40841762 (OP)
>What happens if you...?
No, thanks

>>40843607
>It's genuine advice, not mocking.
You immediately assumed that this is about me and not him. No pet animal no matter how good natured they are will ever replace him, and no human friendships will either. He was all I had and there for me in the worst moments of my life. Except for this one, which is THE worst moment of my life.

>>40843756
Literally saying this about one of the dumbest (and frankly highly malicious, but I digress) animals on the planet.

>>40843779
Fuck you, piece of shit. Now is the part of the conversation where I would knock a bunch of your teeth out if it was in person.

>>40843786
That was a different anon, not the anon telling you Adventure Time can genuinely 100% save your life.

>>40843868
I knew that was a different anon, sorry if that was unclear.

>>40842339
>No. I wished to prevent pestilence from killing weaker people. I chose health, and not sickness. Life, and not death. I chose the future, not the past.
Fucking retard.

>>40843786
Realistically you would just off yourself, right? I mean that's tldr of this whole thread you've made...seems like your still stuck in anger in the stages of grief. Work the solar planetary spirits which roosters are associated, may get closure. Good luck anon.

>>40844534
>.seems like your still stuck in anger in the stages of grief
I get angry when people tell me that what mattered to me more than anything in the world doesn't matter, and belittle it, yeah

>>40841881
>>40841892
>Who made the laws?
>I don't know. Maybe God.
evil people make shit up, and it gives God a bad reputation accidentally, or maybe intentionally because people are evil.

>>40841981
>>40842005
>>40842024
>>40842054
karma isn't real, "karma" is a psychological warfare mechanism created by normal humans to trick other people into feeling more trapped.
good and bad things happen throughout history to random good and bad people for no reason, or because God just feels like it. It's God's judgement not some magical point system.

>>40841762 (OP)
Stick around anon. Hearing about anons who endure in the face of despair is what unironically helps me keep going in this veil of tears. Sorry for your loss too, i think i understand your grief and pain our furred,feathered,finned friends tend not to last as long as us and it hurts a great deal when they pass on. Just give yourself some time to grieve & fuck what non animal people reckon.

>>40841835
Religion is used to control the slaves.
Less slaves means less profit.
Make sure to let your Messiah fuck your wife and daughters.

>>40841762 (OP)
Nothing you just wake up in the astral but you're affecting your future lives by giving yourself a traumatic event in your past.

>>40841762 (OP)
The only logical conclusion my mind can find is we should stop procreation.

Let the nukes fly or walk into the void together without our animalistic human desire to want a child for our own sakes. Look at all the suffering and constant looping cycles we created. This Nirvana bullshit is this. let our souls be free we have the option but we can't look past our desires on the earthly plane.

And op I lost the love of my life. She died in my arms and I watched the light leave them. It has been years for me and I'm happier than I have ever been in my mind but the pain never left me.

Tears appear in my eyes writing this because I can relate to your pain. Your post has made me remember that night again. The anguish and agony every night... Emotional pain unlike anything I could imagine.

I remember thinking I would chop my hand off with an axe, no hesitation if it would bring her back. No physical pain felt like it could ever match the emotional pain of the heart.

It is true, time heals all but for me this feels like it will never heal but let time at least allow your mental to recoup before you make any decisions.