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how do i induce testosterone without the use of steroids and the risk they usually wear? is there any magic related to maleness to help me with that? i am not low on testosterone, i just want to be a muscle freak without having the second effects like heart problems or shrinking

>>40900711 (OP)
This is the domain of nutrition, exercise and adequate sleep.
Best to not get in the habit of reaching for magic for every small thing.

>>40900770
growing up and becoming powerful isn't small. i already do nutrition and sleep

>>40900784
Then look to tweaking those mundane methods.
Relying on magic has a fall off effect.

>>40900770
imo physical health stuff is a form of magic, it's just that it's so foundational that our minds tend to parse it as something mundane. The gym is a ritual, changing diet & lifestyle is essentially casting spells on yourself. Perhaps it's possible just to think & get jacked - but I think for many magicians, they tend to be mind-dominated people already, so they'd be much better off taking the more "conventional" route (at least initially). I know for me working out is my primary grounding ritual, because otherwise I live mostly in abstractions.

That being said, I find the more I meditate the better I can intuitively sense exactly what foods I'm supposed to be eating, rather than relying on habit. Sometimes I use a gym workout to charge sigils. And if you're any good at channeling you could look into calling forth whatever virile archetype you feel connected to, get the spirit of Conan the Barbarian to hit the bench PR for you

>>40900711 (OP)
Eat a lot of healthy food, sleep a lot (always in the same hours), get a lot of sun, exercise a lot
There you go anon, you now have as much testosterone as you could ever want.

>>40900770
This.
>>40900711 (OP)
But also, I like to visualize all the nutrients going into my muscles when resting. Tell your body what to do. Do the same with your balls or something.

>>40900711 (OP)
You find an occult school known as a "gym" and sacrifice something precious to you (known as "paying the gym membership") so you can participate in occult rituals known as "workouts"

0. Get more rest. 8 hours of sleep a day minimum. This is non-arguable - 8 hours a day is scientifically proven to improve gains, testosterone, strength, endurance, and overall health

1. Eat more meat. 1lb a day minimum

2. Eat more eggs. 2 eggs a day minimum, ideally 4-6

3. Get more sunlight. Open your blinds, go outside for a walk every fucking day. No excuses. You need Vitamin D. Additionally, take 10,000 IU vitamin D daily. The supplements still need sunlight to work, but you need less sunlight if you take supplements

4. Stop drinking alcohol. It kills your gains

5. Masturbate a maximum of once a week. Not one day a week, one orgasm per week

6. Stop consuming processed sugar. All of it. No excuses. Stop eating shitty foods, stop drinking energy drinks, stop drinking soda.

7. Stop consuming caffeine. Caffeine kills your gains, damages your digestive tract and thus lowers the nutrients and proteins gained from eating

8. Don't smoke. No weed, no tobacco, no stupid fucking zoomer pacifiers.

9. Look into high-intensity interval training. If you're on a treadmill, run at 6+ MPH for 60 seconds, and walk at 3 MPH for 60 seconds, for a total of 10 minutes. If you're a fat fuck and can't safely run, then walk briskly at 4 MPH for 3 minutes, and then walk slowly at 2 MPH for 3 minutes, for a total of 30 minutes.

10. Stop consuming seed oils. Replace your oils with butter, tallow (not lard) or clean olive oil as a last resort. Seed oils cause inflammation and reduce your bodies ability to heal itself, which slows down gains and testosterone production.

11. Exercise often. It's said that 250 hours of exercise will recomposite your body, and 1000 hours without exercise will make it soft. Exercising 1 hour a day, 5 days a week will make your body look different in one year. 2 hours a day, 5 days a week will take half a year. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week will take a month and a half. Your pace, your choice.

You can start today, or keep making excuses.

>>40901433
kill yourself retard and go back to >>>/fit/ with your basic garbage. This is for magic not some armchair fitness expert

>>40901433
>Exercising 1 hour a day, 5 days a week will make your body look different in one year. 2 hours a day, 5 days a week will take half a year. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week will take a month and a half
This is retarded advice. There are limits on the amount of useful exercise you can perform before exhausting yourself. Even people like Arnold used to do 3-day-a-week splits with rest days before getting really heavily into roiding.

>>40901433
>Stop consuming processed sugar. All of it. No excuses
The excuse it's that it's a nocebo, it only causes damage if you think it does.
Think about a man that exists that is an example of who you want to become. Well, he eats processed sugar.

>>40901448
Guess what nigger? Working a physical labor job will get you fit and fast

You don't have to pump iron for 8 hours a day to get fit. You can literally walk around with a weighted vest or go on hikes and get fit

People work 40 hours of labor every week and the only reason their body falls apart is because they fill it with sugar and alcohol

>>40900711 (OP)
I hypnotised myself into believing my b-vitamins are roids. Dunno if it works though. Only started a week ago.

>>40901456
There are more nuances to fitness than just doing an activity that isn't sitting for 8 hours a day. It can be tricky to untangle these nuances from the extremes frequently seen in public discourse - "you just need to do any kind of activity bro 8 hours of construction work will get u jacked bro" versus "you need to have perfect programming and dieting and cut out all sugar and fat and artificial substances and live in a monastery or you will NEVER make GAINS" and so on.
Your fitness depends on multiple modalities of training and conditioning. In plain language, this means you need to train your muscles for both strength and mobility or range of motion as well as training your cardiovascular system for both steady-state periods of activity (as in swimming or running several miles) and peak power output (as in sprinting).
Doing any kind of activity is better than sitting around, yes, but you need to do more than just walk around a bit during the day to reach something approaching an optimum state of fitness, or even to become something others might call "fit." Your example of laborers or construction workers being on their feet for 8 hours a day doesn't hold up, as anyone who has actually worked in construction could tell you - injuries, poor mobility, and poor cardiovascular health abound in the industry, despite its physically demanding nature (as compared to office work or whatever).
It's both faster in terms of total time spent per week and easier on your body in terms of recovery to just go to the gym for 1-2 hours a couple times a week and go for a couple runs on the other days. Compare spending 8 hours a day hauling concrete or some shit like you suggest - I know which one I'm choosing, lol.

>>40901456
>Working a physical labor job will get you fit and fast
everyone who's ever said this to me looked like utter shit.

>>40900711 (OP)
Nofap

>>40901487
tl;dr

get a job lmao

>>40900711 (OP)
Iron has energies related to Mars and male hormones of ambition and strength.
Gold has energies related to Sun and male hormones related to status and prestige.

So a simple form of magic is to wear a carnelian tumble stone set in an iron ring. If you google around you should be able to buy a carnelian tumble stone for 10$, and a pre-set iron ring or pendant for 10$, but it is tricky to make the size match.

Or even simpler is to wear an iron chain necklace as a symbol of Mars, perhaps with a symbol of Mars, such as scorpion pendant, ram pendant, carnelian stone, red coral or red garnet.

Also you can do a Mars beej mantra or Mars gayatri mantra. Burning a red candle can also be useful. The mantra will teach you sattvic masculine qualities. Things like having a mindset of competitive and warfare (which breeds a mind anxiety, fear and unsatisfaction), will be changed into peace, safety, and cooperation with other men, so you will naturally rise in status among men without even having to fight them, and you will also learn skills like courage and ambition, rather than fear and lazyness.

>>40900711 (OP)
Unironically - bully others without being bullied yourself.

>>40900711 (OP)
Subliminals. But you'll get the same side effects of testosterone drug anyway.

Look into Boron.

>>40901494
working back of house in a 24 hour restersunt at midnight unironically got rid of my autistic clumsyness and gave me a vietnam vet style physique and disillusionment

Nothing about it was healthy, I ate like shit, chain smoked, chugged energy drinks and hated every fucking second of it and lived a constant life of anger and paranoia but it changed my physiognomy somehow.

I don't even think it was the physical aspects of the job just the sheer negativity

Enclomiphene
raises test by encouraging your body to produce more, so no ball shrinkage
>magic!

>>40901339
>I use a gym workout to charge sigils.
i never heard of this strategy for charging sigils, how does that work? my mind goes blank when i am doing a set

>>40902470
Based

>>40902470
sounds unhealthy.

>>40900711 (OP)
Testosterone is a steroid, and there isn't a difference in the effects on heart and aging, etc. if it's naturally produced. It's just that roid freaks take a lot.

Be generally healthy, lift weights, and dominate everything. If you lose a fight every day it'll go down so you stop getting in fights.

>>40902906
stop talking about things you don't understand. testosterone opens the gates of shamash. it's floods your circuitry with the nectar of ninurta and awakens the spirit of dingirma in your spine. also the difference between roid freaks and normal athletes is: pulsing. Roids are unpulsed and lead to all kinds of side effects because of that. It's not just the dose, anon.

>>40902743
Have only tried it a couple times, basically just staring at the sigil while doing sets (although in a lot of cases it'd be impractical to actually do this, so alternatively you could also have it in your pocket & visualize it in your mind). Something similar I've done is to have the sigil in my sock while I go for a run or when I go out dancing. At first I was concerned that this might be "disrespectful" to the sigil, but after remembering that Pisces is associated with the feet I feel like it'd be an effective magical method.

It's hard to say how effective any one particular charging method has been in terms of garnering results, because I usually don't charge the sigil until I've forgotten what it's supposed to be for.

>>40902923
>shamash
>nectar of ninurta
>dingirma
>pulsing
oh

>>40901448
it depends on what your actual routine is
some routines you can get away with going to the gym 5 days a week for example if your routine is a split where you target a muscle group a day with isolation exercises
whereas if you do a full body workout, typically you are only going 3 days a week
fitness is really about what works for you, after getting beyond the general advice the specifics begin to change from person to person due to changes in genes, family medical history, personal physiology etc

>>40902743
I'm not the magical gymbro anon but he speaks wisdom. The type of male interested in magic, posting on /x/ and large swaths of society have sublimated their masculinity into intellectual pursuits which results in an imbalance. It's like someone that has read a bunch of martial arts books and can "talk shop" but hasn't actually trained and can't fight.

The idea with charging s sigil is to imbue it with psychic energy which is most effectively done during heightened emotional states. The old standby is masturbation but many us don't want to be doing that. Bringing the sigil to the gym is a novel method I haven't heard of before but absolutely should work and I'm going to try it myself. Another method I've heard of is bringing a sigil on a roller coaster.

>>40903724
>The old standby is masturbation but many us don't want to be doing that

I'm not even dogmatically into SR (I think there are benefits to it but some Anon's go really far down the rabbithole with it & try to turn it into a catch-all solution for everything), but I would generally agree w/ this - for many masturbation has a lot of bad/shameful energy associated with it, and they certainly wouldn't want that energy going into their sigil. On the flipside you have those for whom masturbation is this extremely casual mundane thing, so the actual amount of energy they'd be generating is highly questionable. For some it's an effective method but many have trouble hitting the sweet spot.

I actually got the idea for using exercise to charge sigils by going to raves when I was younger, and noticing how the intense physical exertion was great for inducing a trance state (even when totally sober). I figured the gym (and yoga, running etc) was a more holistic way of accessing that same state. I'm also a Pisces Sun Cancer Moon, but with Virgo Rising & Taurus Part of Fortune, so I think my default tendency is to be constantly looking for ways to bring all that spaced out energy back down to Earth

>>40903724
>>40902927
can i do that with amulets or rings? Im not much into sigils so i wonder if it's a good way to charge them instead
>>40903782
the book "Magic, History, Theory and practice" talks about that, pretty interesting because there are some parallels between raves and shamanic rituals, also how important strength and flexibility are for all kinds of magic

>>40903892
>can i do that with amulets or rings?

I would think so. I've had specific crystals, rocks, and small objects I would intentionally take with during certain experiences in order to soak up that energy (for instance a piece of labradorite I went on a 50km hike with, a fluorite crystal I took to music fesitvals, that sort of thing). Honestly that specifically isn't something I've explored in great depth, but I could picture, say, having the ring you charged during workouts being useful for calling upon strength, discipline, the energy of Mars etc. You can see something similar with professional athletes who often talk about some specific piece of clothing or an accessory that brings them luck.

>there are some parallels between raves and shamanic rituals

Definitely. I've noticed a clear trajectory with raves where the initial hour might be mostly "normal" or ego consciousness, the second hour is really getting into it, hour three is "okay i'm getting bored, I want to go home", hour four is "i'm actually physically exhausted", and if you manage to push past that you get to some really interesting zones where the standard emotional/mental programming no longer really applies. Of course those numbers are just approximations.

Raves/dancing were a major theme for me in my early 20s, and it's something I'd like to get back to. I'm just a bit more cautious now, because it feels like a very explosive kind of energy, to be approached with a certain level of clarity

ITT: gymbros turning into white chicks

>>40901339
Well you can getting stronger by just thinking. Studies have proven you can increase your strength by strongly imagining the movement. By doing so, you strengthen your nerves and your nervous impulse to your muscles. Not gonna make you jacked but it can make your proper training easier.

>>40903970
The RWBB and New Age Girl ideological intersection is a well-documented phenomena

>>40903782
>>40903892
That's a great point about raves. I think the spiritual/shamanic aspect of the scene got totally co-opted by the lgbt movement and steered toward degeneracy. Some aspect of it survived in the EDM musical festival and visionary arts movement.

To the other anon, Peter Carrolls's "Liber Null And Psychonaut The Practice Of Chaos Magic" is a great primer of how sigils work.

>>40904150
>the spiritual/shamanic aspect of the scene got totally co-opted by the lgbt movement and steered toward degeneracy

This is something I noticed even a decade ago - there'd be these guys (some gay some straight) who would call themselves shamans or healers but were mostly just trying to use party drugs for sex. And women as well who seemed to be doing some kind of sex magick thing. I'm not even a prude about this - I get that dancing can often have an energy very close to sex, and we've been doing night time group sex/dancing rituals for as long as we've been human (probably longer). But there's something distinctly clandestine & unhealthy feeling about how it tends to play out in modern contexts. The last rave I went to was just full of people in bondage gear despite nothing about the music itself suggesting that. Real pornified energy

>>40900711 (OP)
tongkat ali, ginkgo biloba and ginseng will genuinely put more oomph in u. Idk the science behind it at all but they all make me feel horny asf and more aggresive even though im a very passive kinda guy. U dont need rituals man, like ppl are already telling u diet and fitness r the main things.

>>40901443
Apparently self discipline for you is the same as magic (doesn't exist)

>>40901443
>This is for magic not some armchair fitness expert
you mean your magical rituals involve sophistry like chanting names and asking other beings to do things while burning random fuels of questionable origins?

A magician goes to a fitness studio, does something ordinary in the eyes of others and has performed a magically potent ritual. How? No one knows. It's fucking magic

You have to believe you are a winner. Easier said than done. It is hardwired in our DNA. Anyone can become the “alpha” (I know this concept has been largely debunked, but just think of it as winners vs losers). You need the mind of a winner to win. Winners know they are the best. It’s not about ego, it’s alignment and affirmation.
Nobody will reply to this post, and people will continue to talk about jerking off to symbols. Get a grip.

>>40904496
>A magician goes to a fitness studio, does something ordinary in the eyes of others and has performed a magically potent ritual. How? No one knows. It's fucking magic

Yes. It amounts to changing an everyday public environment into one's private ritual chamber based on one's intention.
We see how this is executed on a larger scale through performances like the Super Bowl halftime show and other psychodramas played out in the media. Turning a fitness gym into a magical crucible is based.

Having a ritual chamber secluded in the woods or in the privacy of a caste is something not of the present age but for a small few.

Self discipline is important to magic. Look at how Arnold Schwarzenegger transformed himself from an eastern European nobody into a player on the world stage mostly via the foundation laid by his weightlifting. He changed reality in accordance with his will.

>>40900711 (OP)
Semen Retention. I went from low T to normal T after 3 months of abstinence from orgasms. Don't believe me. Have your T tested and try it for yourself.

>>40901433
Seed oils are objectively good for you and a dietary staple in most of Eastern Europe, which has better metabolic health metrics on all accounts and far less obesity compared to the West.
>tallow
OK, RFK Jr, good luck with your atherosclerosis.

>>40901433
I'd eat her butt

>>40901456
>weighted vest
Bro this ain't dragon ball foh

>>40905145
>Look at how Arnold Schwarzenegger transformed himself from an eastern European nobody into a player on the world stage mostly via the foundation laid by his weightlifting. He changed reality in accordance with his will.

That's always been my approach to this stuff. Magic for me isn't a negation of more mundane practice, but rather an augmentation of it. It's bringing about a desired change by whatever means necessary, and in some cases working directly at the physical level of reality feels like the fastest way to get a result.

>>40901448
If you work a physical 8 hour a day job, you'll look and feel much better after 6 weeks.

>>40902923
Jeet words should be banned

>>40905268
Reminds me of Robert Monroe's pre-manosphere book "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover" about the four male archetypes. When these are combined they synthesize into sub groups such as Magician+Lover = artist/musician.

Lots of precedent for the magical male warrior..
Shaolin warrior priests
Castaneda's system of the nagual warrior
Nordic systems and the berserker
Malachi Martin outlined his Jesuit training on Art Bell and it was insanely vigorous and disciplined.

There are some sickly or grossly overweight male pratcioners of magick that wield some kind of power but they hide behind the curtains and amount to shadow casting. Magick can mess a person up if they're unhealthy and that incudes getting quick gains with an undisciplined mind.

>>40900711 (OP)
>Lift heavy thing
>Put it down
>Repeat
Its literally that easy

>>40906503
>There are some sickly or grossly overweight male pratcioners of magick that wield some kind of power but they hide behind the curtains and amount to shadow casting. Magick can mess a person up if they're unhealthy and that incudes getting quick gains with an undisciplined mind

I suspect that there are different paths to accessing magick. I've met homeless schizophrenics, drug addicts, big fat degenerates, and totally bipolar types who all came off like they were tuning into *something* (and by that I don't mean to suggest that ALL crazy people come off like they have magic ability, just some), but it's usually extremely chaotic & most of them don't come off like they're totally aware of what's going on. Then in the middle you have a lot of tragic/romantic artist archetypes who get to tune in to something at the expense of their normal lives slowly unravelling. Philip K Dick in his later years comes to mind. Or even a figure like Jack Kerouac (who I apparently share a decent amount of astrological similarities to) who afaik made no claims to channeling extra-dimensional entities, but still had this uncanny ability to enter a weird kind of elevated reality, a more adventurous version of reality, which he vividly captured in this way that comes off as totally effortless. But his own life slowly fell into shambles

I don't know.

>>40906511
Not really, if you aren't at least half-ass paying attention to what you're putting in your body, you're not going to get very far.

>>40908993
Ok. So, good diet plus efficient workout plus sufficient rest. Easy. No larping dumbass magic(k) required. I swear, there's too many retards on here falling prey to wishful thinking.

>>40900711 (OP)
Eat as much red meat right before bed
Eat as many eggs as you can right when you wake up
No fap
Brazil nuts etc

>>40901456
Can confirm -- Stocking shelves overnight will get your arms and legs jacked if you work at the pace you're expected to. You'll feel amazing as your body adjusts to the work

>>40900711 (OP)
Semen retention, I did 90 days and people literaliy started accusing me of using steroids and even with my body dysmorphia I see a lot of changes, I got more cut and my strenght went up like 10%.

>>40900711 (OP)
fuck I want to stop being a twink so badly. i just want there to be thick heaps of dark hair above my navel and gain 5 kg of muscle and own every room i enter hnnnnngghhhh fuckkk-
it's all genetic though right? there's no way of changing anything without trt right guys haha. and no i won't be your cum bucket

>>40903972
I wouldn't call it "thinking" but a HUGE amount of 1RM strength is solely neuromuscular recruitment (also why a lot of programming has a single heavy deadlift day a week - you fry your NS trying to max out - it's actually way more draining than exhausting muscle "alone")

>>40909243
This is the way

>>40909705
Just work out, eat a protein heavy diet, avoid fapping or whatever you do.

>>40903972
Go learn how to indoor climb and then watch climbers. It really helps.

>>40910602
I'm never jerkin it ever again. I trust the Finn.

>mfw

>>40900711 (OP)
Brother all magic is an open door to demons . Seek Jesus Christ and the fullness of the faith which is eastern Orthodoxy. He can and will give you the desires of your heart if they are good for you . God bless you and protect you brother amen

>>40904683
>Nobody will reply to this post
Well, that part was false.

>>40900711 (OP)
im the anon who made a similar thread but for height holy shit i think i started a trend on /x/ about LOA and bodily changes they are everywhere now

I read/learned a lot itt, but I was wondering a similar question.
Is there any magic for raising the masculine power in your spiritual polarity in general? Not necessarily "testosterone", but im trying to get in touch with my masculine side.
Any recommendations?

>>40911022
>Any recommendations?

Look at Mars in your natal chat - what sign/house it's in, any difficult or beneficial aspects with other planets, and how it might relate to where things are in the sky currently. This can give you some insight into how the masculine force might readily manifest for you, what assists it, and what might hinder it.

I for example am a 10th House Gemini Mars, squaring both my Sun & Rising (Pisces/Virgo). So how I might interpret this is that I often default to feeling like the smartest guy in the room in certain social situations (specifically things like work, school etc. Not so much with actual friends or like-minded peers). I take a lot of pride in my ability to gather information & see things clearly, I tend to react poorly when I feel like someone is trying to force a viewpoint onto me. My aggression usually manifests verbally. So with all that in mind, I feel like I honour the Mars energy most when I'm my own boss, when I draw my own conclusions on things, when I confidently defend my viewpoint, and when I engage in self-guided learning. I feel like I'm supressing the Mars instinct when I spend too much time concealing my true feelings or going with someone else's flow. That's also where the Squares come in, because Pisces is very much about going with the flow & Virgo often takes the role of helper. So the headstrong opinionated energy comes up against this other desire to want to assist people & not create needless tension.

Anyways, depending on your Mars you might also be able to gain some insights.

>>40906606
For some of the street people along with Dick and Kerouac the speed was a likely factor. That's not to diminish that they tapped into something which I believe they absolutely did. The transient lifestyle whether it's homelessness or 'on the road' can give the body a certain vigor and acuity of mind as one needs to be vigilant. This can aid in magick especially when doesn't have to put effort into maintaining an acceptable social persona. Gotta wonder if those methheads I've seen swinging their fists into thin air are dueling with the shadow people.

Sometimes jumping into the other side and coming back with receipts comes at a steep price. John Lilly's research research on ketamine and sensory deprivation tanks brought him to the brink but he pulled out of it and made it to old age. His writings on the "Earth Coincidence Control Office" (E.C.C.O.) eerily parallel Dick's "Vast Active Living Intelligence System" (VALIS).

There was a good greentext thread about transient magical groups loosely referred to as the "Jackals" that's worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKCteFaeNrY

>>40900711 (OP)
raw meat and raw eggs, raw milk if you can get it. these are your steroids because they make your body work proper.

>>40914368
I was a homeless hitchhiker for two years in my mid 20s (with some shorter stints before and after). Even if you're completely sober, the lifestyle does something to you psychologically. You get torn away from most of the default patterns of modern human existence. You're constantly on the move, with no distinction between inside/outside, mine/not-mine etc. Even if you're clean you're constantly surrounded by drug addicts & other outliers (schizos, self-proclaimed sorcerers, totally non-integrated racial minorities, people who claim to have been abducted by aliens or the government etc). Regularly sleep or food deprived. Frequently in a state of physical exhaustion from having to move around constantly. And people are constantly casting you in these archetypical roles - as a villain, as filth, as a romantic figure, as a helpless victim, or as some kind of visionary. I actually had some of the most success I've had with women during this period of my life, because I'd have certain kinds of very attractive young women (usually into new age stuff) seeking me out like I was Rasputin, wanting to listen to me talk, inviting me to stay with them etc. But it was also extremely chaotic - I remember walking down the streets in large cities feeling like everything was melting into radio static, like I was picking up on dozens of signals no one else could hear (similar to what Francis E Dec describes in some of his writings).

This is actually a topic I know a lot about and have worked with quite a bit. There's a lot of good stuff in this thread and a lot of bullshit, sometimes mixed within the same post. Its frustrating because somebody who doesnt know much about their own body and fitness wouldn't be able to tell it much from the rest of the other stuff

>>40900711 (OP)
Stop touching ur penis

>>40900711 (OP)
SARMs.

Going to the gym is spiritually bankrupt and will make you look like a fucking clown. I cant stand these losers walking around with invisible watermelons and a scowl on their face like they are legendary warriors. The natural body that exercises in nature and experiences reality will always be 100x more beautiful than the clown bodies that gym bros end up with. They always imbalance some part of their bodies and look ridiculous.