Thread 40946174

Alan Watts, Neville Goddard, both lived very comfortable, upper middle-class lives and didn't have to work that hard in life. It's easy to see how they ended up thinking in such a self-centered way (e.g., everything is just a manifestation of their own minds) when everything in life was handed to them on a silver platter. Kind parents, affluent neighborhoods, freedom to travel and study instead of working to survive. Reading Alan Watts and Neville Goddard makes me want to punch a wall because they sound like such SPOILED children when they speak. Just a bunch of fart sniffers from what I can tell.

How do we respond to privileged idiots who pretend like life is just "what you make it", when most people are dealing with problems completely outside of their own control which they were born into? I'm colorblind, handicapped and have IBS. My life has always been a bit miserable compared to others. Thinking positively and manifesting a better life for myself is absurd and impossible. I actually tried it for 2-3 years anyway with no results.

"LOL of course the universe is just you. Don't you see? It's all your own doing!"

No, idiot, it's just in your head after hitting the life lottery.

the sick can't heal themselves, where have you ever seen this is true?
>Mark 2:17
>On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
I hear you OP

>>40946174 (OP)
True but also stop being a little bitch

>>40946174 (OP)
aghoris say the same things but actually live it

>>40946174 (OP)
My answer to your premise is all based on what your attitude is towards helping others succeed. Apparently life dealt you a bad hand and you want your life to improve but what I have to ask is do you want for others what you want for yourself? Do you want to help others succeed just as you want to succeed?

>>40946174 (OP)
>(((we)))
>idiots
>muh privilege
>SPOILED children
You sound like annoying sovietesque faggot.

>>40946199
I carry every day just in case I meet a jackass like you.

>>40946205
See, you’re doing exactly what I said in the OP.
>“Bro it’s your fault you’re just projecting those things into the world.”
There’s no logic behind this guilt-tripping stupidity.

>>40946174 (OP)
>Thinking positively and manifesting a better life for myself is absurd and impossible.
And this is precisely why you will continue to suffer, enjoy manifesting it

>>40946223
You sound like someone who got their ass beat every day after school for running your mouth in class lol

the truth doesn't need fancy repeating numbers, remember this

>>40946174 (OP)
>I'm colorblind, handicapped and have IBS
Don't care, didn't ask, not your personal blog

>>40946233
Found the rich privileged idiot. If you had manifested a good life for yourself why are you here wasting time on me? Dumbass hypocrite

>>40946174 (OP)
If you aren't privileged and rich it means you and your parents are stupid and therefore have weak souls. Poor people always have weak impulse control and difficulty controlling their emotions. They live in the moment, unable to plan or delay their gratification so that they may be better off in the future.

>>40946237
I mean you cared enough to post here and fill out the captcha faggot. Stop whoring for attention everywhere you go.

>>40946228
My answer towards your premise remains in an indeterminate state. At no point by grammar or implication did I say that you are responsible for the state of your life. Things happen to people myself included that are simply out of their control. My answer to your premise remains in an indeterminate state until I recieve an answer on what your attitude is towards helping others. Do you want for others what you want for yourself, do you value hearing the problems and experiences of others just as you want others to listen?

>>40946228
You don't carry shit noguns.

>>40946248
This is what high vibrational people say? I honestly don't want to be high vibrational then

>>40946256
Good, you belong in the underclass.

>>40946248
Oh is that why they’re always dying from drug overdoses and suicide from depression?
>>40946251
I’m an empath and you’re trying too hard bud. I get along with everyone IRL and don’t wish bad things upon others as you’re strongly implying.

>>40946174 (OP)
> I actually tried it for 2-3 years anyway with no results.
You need to fix your own attitude first

>>40946265
I'm not implying anything unless I'm dealing with snakes my words are generally straightforward, so I would appreciate it if you stopped sidetracking the conversation and simply answered my question. Do you want for others what you want for yourself and do you want to help others succeed?

>>40946228
>mass replies
I guess captcha is way too hard for you

>>40946174 (OP)
Ya probably some 20 something year old lesbian or troon living on the rich east coast that fakes an illness for attention always act like they are all spiritually enlightened and shit it’s annoying

>>40946278
>You need to fix your own attitude first
I've made myself a much better person throughout the last few years. Probably better than you. I have many friends now and relationships with my family are better.

Doesn't change the fact that I'm doubled over in pain every single day of my life and can't see what others can.

>>40946284
>2 comments at a time constitutes a "mass reply"
I can't say I've ever heard someone bitch about this before. Wow. You're a worse faggot than me.

>>40946234
You are either low t shitskin like jeets or low t white trash.

Some lies glimmer like the Sun, like a coat made out of cursed gold, and so it's easy to be enchanted by them
But don't forget, the Sun rises and shines for all

>>40946298
>>>/pol/
Your brain is fucked and you can't even form a coherent sentence without racial slurs. You're on /x/ retard.

>>40946241
>Found the strawman
You know absolutely nothing about me and my life.

>>40946320
I know you're here with me. Like attracts like, correct? You're obviously not on a higher level than anyone else here fool. You manifested yourself getting triggered over this thread and my comments lol

>>40946283
>>40946265
You didn't answer my question, and what makes you say I'm "trying too hard"?

>>40946174 (OP)
>Neville Goddard, both lived very comfortable, upper middle-class lives and didn't have to work that hard in life.
Not true. Neville's father had lost the wealth of his family and plenty of times they were stuck eating chicken fed with fish. Neville's brother was able to regain the wealth of the family. Research before making such posts, thank you

>>40946332
>You didn't answer my question
Are you actually illiterate? I told you I was an empath and don't wish bad things upon others. Do you need that written out in a different language or something? I am angry at the moment so I realize it doesn't sound like it.

>>40946332
>what makes you say I'm "trying too hard"?
I mean you're ignoring what I write in favor of taking your psuedointellectual lecturer role to the extreme. Pay attention to what I'm saying instead of repeating yourself.

>>40946337
>Not true
It is true. What you're describing is a comfy life. I grew up on a failing farm eating saltine crackers and peanut butter for dinner 2-3 times a week. You have no fucking clue what it means to struggle, thanks for showing your entire hand.

>>40946370
Boo hoo. You lied and got called out on it.

>>40946377
LOL what the fuck did I lie about idiot? You just can't read for shit.

>>40946370
Everyone I've met who compares their problems to others does so to give themselves a moral authority and uses their personal tragedy as leverage to control others, you don't seem like an exception to the rule. One truly humbled by their struggle can see the value in all stories and values hearing the experiences of others because to the wise all struggles are equal.

So how much dick do you need to suck in order to climb the pyramid?

>>40946432
>One truly humbled by their struggle can see the value in all stories and values hearing the experiences of others because to the wise all struggles are equal.
Cool story and I agree, but what's that have to do with the OP? I never claimed to be humbled I said I was angry. You're going off on a tangent because your ego desperately wants to feel superior to me.

>>40946387
>Neville Goddard, both lived very comfortable, upper middle-class lives and didn't have to work that hard in life.

>>40946174 (OP)

It's not between you and other people; it's between you and God. You don't have to be better than anyone else, just better than who you used to be. It's not the circumstances that make you feel bad, it's how you think about them that makes you feel bad. You have the choice to change your thoughts in every moment.

>>40946471
Holy fuck brother just read the wikipedia and tell me if this sounds like someone who struggled
>Neville Lancelot Goddard was born in Fontabelle, Saint Michael, Barbados, on February 19, 1905, to Joseph Nathaniel Goddard, a merchant, and Wilhelmina Goddard (née Hinkson). Neville was the fourth of ten children. He was also the older brother to cricketer and businessman John Goddard.[1] At age 17, Goddard emigrated to New York City in 1922 to study drama and began his theatrical career as a dancer at the Hippodrome in New York City in 1925.

>>40946458
If you want people to process your issues and you won't listen to the issues of others or offer the conversation anything positive in return you ain't nothing but a selfish piece of shit.

>>40946491
>or offer the conversation anything positive
Why do you feel entitled to receiving that? That wasn't my intention with this thread at all. It's pretty obvious that I have a problem with those who think that I'm manifesting all the bad things that have happened to me in life. I was much happier and carefree as a child. It was the world that changed me. It didn't come from within me.

>>40946491
>won't listen to the issues of others
You're grasping.

>>40946490
>read wiki instead of listening to his own lectures where he talks about his own childhood
Lol lmao

>>40946510
I did listen to his lectures and he never spoke of real struggle or hardship for himself. Only others. You're taking a short period of his father's life and pretending like it shaped the rest of Neville's life. He fucking studied theater and dance dude. Use your brain.

>>40946174 (OP)
>I'm colorblind, handicapped and have IBS
Try changing your diet. Cut out bread and milk.

>>40946521
Thank you I did try that for a while and it kinda helped but for some reason the IBS returned after a few months. Might give it another go. I really enjoy cereal because it's one of the few things that doesn't upset my stomach.

>>40946516
Clearly, you haven't.

>>40946505

You'll be saved in due time. To know what it's like to struggle and suffer is necessary for spiritual enlightenment. It's a journey. You may feel like you're in hell now but it's for the purpose of training your soul. Soon enough, you'll accept that you were wrong to believe such negativite things about yourself and the world and because of this, your reality will change. You will thus understand through direct experience (the best teacher) the difference between positive and negative thinking and how it controls your life.

A tree that grows to the heavens has its roots firmly planted in hell. You'll be grateful for having suffered.

>>40946531
Great rebuttal dude you sure showed me how wrong I am.

Here's Alan Watts' early life btw:
>Watts was born to middle-class parents in Chislehurst, Kent on 6 January 1915, living at Rowan Tree Cottage, 3 (now 5) Holbrook Lane.[6] Watts's father, Laurence Wilson Watts, was a representative for the London office of the Michelin tyre company. His mother, Emily Mary Watts (née Buchan), was a housewife whose father had been a missionary. With little money, they chose to live in the countryside, and Watts, an only child, learned the names of wild flowers and butterflies.
Brother, if you get to spend your childhood sitting in a field learning the names of flowers and butterflies you're privileged. Period. I had to start working before I was 14 to help support my family and I've been working since then, fulltime jobs sometimes 2 at a time. Fucking ridiculous that nobody looks at these "sages" lives and how comfortable they were before even finding "wisdom".

>you were wrong to believe such negativite things about yourself and the world
I'm wrong for thinking pedophilia and human trafficking shouldn't exist in this world? Yeah if you say so.

>>40946306
>muh /pol/
So you are also a reddit tourist

>>40946306
>You're on /x/ retard.
And you are on 4chan and not reddit or discord

>>40946573
>>40946577
>tribal bullshit
Stop. I don't care dude. Grow the fuck up.

>>40946296
>I've made myself a much better person throughout the last few years. Probably better than you
You definitely have a shitty attitude. Boasting about your subjective life gains.
>Like attracts like, correct?
Not applicable to a message board where people are reading everything out of curiosity.
You definitely have a chip on your shoulder and are looking for a fight.

>>40946370
You are not empath, you are bleeding heart redditty faggot.

>>40946586
>Boasting about your subjective life gains
LMAO ok bro. You sure I wasn't just refuting your accusation of me? I love how you trolls are Hellbent on telling every OP that "it's a you problem", for the slightest perceived insult to your ego.

>>40946370
>I grew up on a failing farm eating saltine crackers and peanut butter for dinner 2-3 times a week.
And there is people who don't even have that

>>40946370
>Pay attention to what I'm saying instead of repeating yourself.
Nah, not with shitty personality of yours

>>40946553

One of the great weaknesses of man is the necessity of always being right.

>>40946370
> I grew up on a failing farm eating saltine crackers and peanut butter for dinner 2-3 times a week.
Not your personal blog

>>40946612
>"It's all YOUR fault! Not mine! I'm a saint and a spirit guide!"
You're the type of person who posts the meme in the OP lol.

>>40946615
Yikes. tell that to /x/, and well, everyone posting here except the 1 anon who tried to give me advice for my IBS.

>>40946505
>Why do you feel entitled to receiving that?
Why do you feel entitled for other people to care about you and your thoughts and feelings, faggot?

>>40946642
I don't feel entitled to anything dipshit. I'm just venting. You chose to be here and you chose to engage with me. You're just another /x/ troll trying too hard to tell someone that everything bad they experience in life is their own fault. You're a spiritual disease.

>>40946634

Pride makes you miserable. When you are humble then even in shitty circumstances you would find it that you are actually better off than you deserve and can find happiness and satisfaction. But when you are proud then even when you are living a pretty decent life you feel miserable because in you mind you think you deserve so much better.

>>40946654
>Pride makes you miserable
Are you just going to keep moving the goalposts and trying to label me until I give up? Damn bro. I have no pride in life. I'm only proud of the fact that I haven't kms yet. You're so far off base it's just cringe.

>>40946653

Antagonism feasts on antagonism to sustain itself. You only have to change your thoughts to transmute a situation that makes you feel bad.

>>40946174 (OP)
>>40946370
Well, my friend, working hard doesn't correlate to success anyway. And neither is hard work necessarily a good thing.
My father came from poverty. Sure, he succeeded in overcoming poverty, but he overworked himself to death; indeed, his overworking came to an unnecessary degree.
Ultimately, there is a subtle component to all this, something beyond mechanical effort laced with sweat. Maybe call it Luck, though this makes it ungraspable in the eyes of most. Will, charisma, networking, what have you.
Our own narratives are both internal and external and have much bearing on our perception and action - vision and mission.

>>40946664
>You only have to change your thoughts to transmute a situation that makes you feel bad.
This is the bullshit that I'm talking about.

Every morning I spend 2-3 hours on the toilet suffering from IBS. It doesn't matter what my thoughts are like. For more than a year I woke up every day and meditated, visualizing a positive life without IBS. It's just not a thing man. You can't change everything with positive thinking.

I'm also not able to experience the world like others do, and it's not rational to tell me that I should just change my thoughts to fix this. There are physical limitations in place that I did not consent to and which NONE of you can change if you were in my situation.

>>40946674
I will say, to offer an inner example, this so-called subtle component is the same one through which people overcome anxiety and depression.
Could also call it subtle function? Anyway.
Also, by "inner/outer" narratives, I mean the ones we have of ourselves and of the world, others, the Other, respectively.

>>40946676
>Every morning I spend 2-3 hours on the toilet suffering from IBS.
Try drinking a spoonful of castor oil before you gop to bed at night, you'll be running to the toilet in the morning, guaranteed.

>>40946535
> To know what it's like to struggle and suffer is necessary for spiritual enlightenment.
No it doesn't, its vile demonic lie to justify loosh generation

>>40946580
>I don't care dude.
In that case i don't care about your suffering
>conform the fuck up.
Nah, eating shit in name of meaningless ideals is not my thing

>>40946697
>No it doesn't, its vile demonic lie to justify loosh generation
There's a LOT of evidence to support this view. VERY little evidence to support /x/'s idea that good people are accidentally manifesting bad things and that's the only reason why the world is awful.

>>40946603
Get some self awareness

>>40946622
>I'm a saint and a spirit guide!"
Sounds like projection

>>40946713
>Get some self awareness
Weird attempt at a quip. I've seen this tactic used on /biz/ mostly. Must be the same loser.

>>40946719
>doesn't understand greentext
Yikes.

>>40946535
>You'll be grateful for having suffered.
And you will be grateful for god throwing you in hell.

>>40946535
>You'll be grateful for having suffered.
Absolutely never, i don't suffer from such extreme masochism

>>40946535
>suffer is necessary for spiritual enlightenment
All my spritual progress was from curiosity and meditations, not from meaningless suffering.

>>40946535
>You'll be grateful for having suffered.
You're confusing things: Nobody has ever, ever, being grateful for having suffered, and much less has suffering ever become the reason for greatness. Your reaction to it is what influences (somewhat, you can still be the toughest motherfucker around and still be fated to become a failure, for there are many factors involved) your path towards greatness

Please considerer my words before you ever write, and believe, things like that

Terrible thread Fuck you OP

Amazing thread Bless you OP

For the attention of OP.
>>40946555
You two larpers should hook up.

Well, if you would listen to a peasant, you would learn how to survive in the dirt. Listen to Watts or Goddard and you'll learn to improve upon a life where survival is taken for granted. That's the world you live in. We don't choose the cards we're dealt at birth, but we can change it as time goes on. Goddard said you don't even have to believe and it works better if you don't care. Bhagavad Gita even says don't be attached to the results of your work.
BTW, you are a fucking faggot if you really think colorblindness and IBS qualify you to question anybody's 'privilege'. The fact you are literate and obviously well educated enough to get to this stage tells me you are in more than enough of a comfortable situation or at least possess the tools to get off this board and actually do something worthwhile for your spiritual evolvement.

You failed in not taking their message for your benefit. Instead you question their character and think that whatever they say has no benefit to you. Therefore YOU ARE A FOOL.
You probably didn't even read the source material they drew from. Which is not hard to find, try reading THE BIBLE.

>>40946603
>for the slightest perceived insult to your ego.
This is why he told you to get self awareness lol
You are a baby back bitch with a fragile ego and a victim complex if your replies in this thread are anything to go off of.
People noticing this and calling you out aren't some mass of trolls who uniquely hate you for no reason whatsoever.
Have you also been kicked out of 109 countries in your life, by chance?

>>40947073
thank you for your words anon, you clearly have a grasp on the mechanics of magick. IMO OP's stuck in a really constraining narrative, a false dichotomy of fallacious toxic positivity vs. sweat-and-blood laborous realism. Poor guy's missing the forest for the trees.

>>40946505
>Why do you feel entitled to receiving that?
why do you?

>>40946505
>I was much happier and carefree as a child. It was the world that changed me. It didn't come from within me.
It's right in front of you anon...

>>40947135
But being like a carefree child and stoking his wonderment would fly in the face of his self-induced victim narrative where he needs to be a big strong provider who grinded despite his handicaps to eek out a better life to the dismay of the troll army that follows him around and mocks him.
OP is jewish.

>>40947141
Yep.
Honestly, it's pretty sad. I pity self-sabotage, regardless of his resulting aggressiveness.

>>40946370
>he got to have peanut butter with his saltine crackers
Look at Mr. Moneybags over here lording it over the rest of us peasants

>>40946174 (OP)
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>>40946174 (OP)
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>>40946174 (OP)
>mad because bad

>>40946676

Of course you can't think away your IBS but you can think away your prejudice against it and your comparisons to other people. Everyone is dealt limitations but not everyone complains about them. You don't think there are people living with worse conditions than yours but who still love themselves and the world? You can be one of those people by simply changing your thoughts.

>>40946174 (OP)
Anon you aren't wrong or unreasonable for being upset and jealous of people who were luckier. They genuinely have an advantage and it feels like dogshit. Their paths to get what you want were quicker and easier. But that doesn't diminish the end. That's your hopelessness talking.

>>40946174 (OP)
I completely agree. Neville Goddard and Alan Watts are full of shit, none of the manifesting I've ever done ever came to fruition.
Knowing that life is inherently unfair, I guess the question is what are you going to do now?

>>40946174 (OP)
You're manifesting your own misery.

>>40946199
Yall are both faggots
Simple as

Lol

>>40946174 (OP)
>People who share this meme are usually rich and privileged

Yes, because the system oppresses using economic means. Something they are insulated from.

>>40946248
This was a *redacted* poster

yes life is a game. but what type of game, and how you play it, is up to you. do you obsess over money? then it's a game that's all about points. do you obsess over the hand that you were dealt? then you see life as analogous to poker, and thus you have the option to bluff.

personally i was born to two very obnoxious, non-white parents, who supported me and pressured me to get goods grades, go to college, and get a job. all of that blew up due to stress that they partially contributed to, so now i'm back to square one, and fucked. if i were to use positive thinking manifestation LOA stuff to improve my life, it would have to be done through bluffing, from a hidden position of weakness, which i conceal with fake confidence. that's my only option. as for money, yes you can see it as a point system. more money = more points = more access and access to better things, places, people. if you leverage a small amount of money correctly you can make more of it. many claim to be able to do this in stocks, crypto for example, but of course many also fail. so once again, it's up to you. if you lack luck then you must focus on skill and mastering skills.

as for watts and goddard, yes those were upper-class guys who didn't have to live in our current shitty clownworld time period. they definitely had white parents who spoke english and were not a constant energy drain. so they had a lot of luck behind them. all they had to do was write and talk. did they ever build anything? create or invent? no. they were basically the podcasters of their era.

hope this helps.

>>40948338

tl,dr - fix your life by fixing your own problems, or cutting out ppl who bring you down. fix your life by cutting out addictions. fake it til you make it. just be mildly confident. dress clean, eat clean, light exercise, sleep at a reasonable time, not after 12am. wake up at a reasonable time, not after 11am. if you want society's pleasures (pussy, freedom, nice hotel, nice vacation, nice car) then you have to play society's games, or figure out a way to make society dependent on you (zuckerberg did that but again he was lucky and didn't have annoying parents, he allegedly made a platform that millions still use, and then he bought out competitors like insta to stay relevant and rich)

force yourself to pivot, play pretend, fake confidence, self-aggrandizement, constant self-promotion (as opposed to being brutally honest about all your negative features). in UHMERICA, we only talk about our wins and same goes for companies when you browse their case studies, they only show their winning projects and shit. if you constantly go around talking about how you suck and you have bad luck and you lost this or that, no one is going to want to deal with you and you'll continue being poor.

when people go to job interviews, most of the time they self-aggrandize and focus on positives. they show their best face, they dress up. it's just a fact of the fake and gay world we live in. if you want money and a job you have to play this game. and once you get the job you start racking up CC debt and loans, in a responsible way, and make smart moves with that leverage. if you're an addict and you want to fix your life then you have to quit those addictions.

>noooo fuck money it's kike BS!!! fuck it all
yeah ok. if that's what you believe. but a $50 steak dinner tastes a lot better than a $1 cup of instant ramen. you have to fix your life and your daily habits if you want that steak. money is just a tool to get it. same goes for women. most are whores. so money is the key.

I'm a fucktard sometimes, but try to ignore fucktardery. Some positive spin or attitude might help a lil bit to feel less shitty but yeah sometimes ya just get fucked, some more than others. Sorry to hear about your IBS, my friend has that too.

stop eating wheat and your IBS will subside.

compare these two paths:
>IBS is a problem that can't be solved. i'm fucked for life and was dealt a shitty unlucky hand
or
>maybe there is a solution to IBS, or something that might reduce the pain. let me look into it further instead of complaining all the time
>oh look, some ppl say that their IBS went down after making changes to their diet like cutting out gluten, i'll try that!
>oh wow my IBS is not as bad as before, nice

>I'm colorblind
whinnyass bitch, that's nothing

>>40946262
I do belong in the underclass, we're going to utterly fucking destroy you power-hungry motherfuckers believe it. Look at this motherfucker wear on his sleeve his arrogant "I've pretended to care about people" techniques. The mask slips off because you think inexperience of others is advantageous of your grift. Please tell everyone what the underclass shouldn't be allowed to be expressing, and how you pretend to give a fuck.

>>40946174 (OP)
People who believe, or espouse the shit that is of the topic of that OP image are individuals of commitment. They're in a state of pushing things of commitment, masquerading as being essentially godly, closer to god, or having integrity even amongst those they claim lack integrity but the lack is something to transcend. But actually they aren't merged of some transcendental space out of people's domain, that's why they have to keep their own erroneous relationship to others far away so they can maintain control. I have to cut this short, not be as coherent as I think it should be since my supper is ready.

why is that an invalidation?

people who have their basic needs met are free to deliberate and think about other things. this is why capitalists feel threatened if the workers aren't just at the edge of poverty

why do you think slavers keep their slaves unhappy, starved, abused? they won't have time to think about how messed up everything is if they're too busy trying to survive

>>40946174 (OP)
everything you experience is related to you. in waking life, if you go into your memory, if you imagine something, if you dream while sleeping. this means you are the common denominator. if you seek freedom, this is the direction of self discovery. if you are the common denominator, even though on the surface things seem to happen outside you, you start taking responsibility and seeking truth, this transforms your experience since your perspective of life changes.

>>40946223
Thats not a word lmao. American education
>but I actually want to be fat and spoiled
yeah we know, burger

>>40950534
The entire premise is an infantilizing, delusional mess. Any expression against it is equal of validity. There is no absolute, incontestable idea against that.

>>40950543
See we're not going to swallow the suggestion that we're all the same being, of awareness in different bodies. I don't care who or what part of us all has a written theory about essential being-ness; it's some shit that they wrote down but was incorrect about. Don't idolize them in that, that's a thought actual self-excavators want people to know. You are NOT responsible for everything you feel since a lot of what you feel is a generational, ancestral pain "seeded" into your life. People have choices. And if you maintain that feelings are the result of exposure to external or other forms of interaction you can't correctly claim responsibility for all of that. You are responsible for part of what you feel and others feel still some are more responsible than others, but you aren't going to make everyone else an extension of your own will because they have a will of their own. There's an illusion that if you feel or confront some emotional experience of trauma or pain then that influence will mystifying-ly radiate to others where we can see many people are entirely indifferent to such occurrences. People "seed" shadows into you, into others and the reasons for it aren't even relevant anymore it's momentum, chaos; malevolent thoughts misunderstood as virtuous clouding perception, there's no passing their "test". You're not supposed to overcome what's healthy or positive as if it's unhealthy or negative and be indifferent: this need for moral absolutism is a facade of liberation.

>>40946174 (OP)
>I'm colorblind, handicapped and have IBS. My life has always been a bit miserable compared to others.
It's miserable because YOU keep trying to make your life like other peoples, or YOU desiring your life to be like other peoples lives. Instead of being grateful you were born into a time and place where you're not treated like a mutant clown or thrown to the wolves for food, you complain like a bitch instead of owning your life. You're here for a reason and you were dealt those cards for a reason so learn your lesson instead of trying to copy someone elses curriculum.

>>40950634
This seems as though you are saying the only misery arises from the act of seeking conformity to other's visions or expectations of you. That's fucking bullshit. Not to mention people say they're for others acting fully autonomous of their lives but they're lying.

>>40950630
>See we're not going to swallow
not going to read further, you can not deny that you are the common denominator, i dont care about the other blabber since it will deny this fact.

>>40950648
>This seems as though you are saying the only misery arises from the act of seeking conformity to other's visions or expectations of you.
No, I'm saying OP needs to be realistic and that expecting to have the same life that a 100% healthy person does is just retarded. Misery is self inflicted, there are many people with money and good health who are miserable, just ask an attorney who works in family law.
>Not to mention people say they're for others acting fully autonomous of their lives but they're lying.
Da fuq you talking about.

>>40946174 (OP)
Yep. Brie Larson syndrome.

>>40950674
There's nothing exceptional about people being apart of life experience. And lmfao you sound dumb as fuck looking to that that I denied anything. Nobody gives a fuck what "exceptional" absolute meaning you try to pull out of your ass. It's made up shit. It's over-simplified and says that "truth" is some definite form that exists without us. You say people are common denominators, and claim therefore that means some other shit, you made that up.

>>40950680
It really just seems like you're co-opting words and giving them the meaning that serves your purpose. No one in a relationship assumes that when you talk about misery you mean what choices fits your fantasy about a healthy life. People try to "fix" other people but want them broken.

Do you have anything to be grateful for?

>>40950740
>You say people are common denominators
No no, you are misunderstanding, i have not said that. I said you are the common denominator of every your experience, thought, feeling, imagination, memory, dream etc.
you ignore this fact and talk about the experience etc not the common denominator that underlies all of them that is you. we look from the same "location" but in different "directions", you and me, with this conversation.
if you have a negative thought, its your mind, its your doing, why act like it isnt. this is only one example, we act like it isnt, it could be that everything is in the same manner.
>sound dumb as fuck looking to that that I denied anything
you simply dont see that you deny it by assigning it other common denominator than you

>>40950634
>you should just be grateful you’re not suffering even more like other people
How does that make any sense? It just makes me waste my attention and energy on worrying about others, which I did excessively as a child.

You know those commercials with sad starving children and dogs asking for donations? Literally traumatized me as a child and I had to go to therapy because I was crying every day about people I didn’t know suffering on the other side of the planet. I can promise you that’s the WRONG solution. Recognizing the suffering of others as worse than my own is retarded and makes everything worse both for myself and others near me.

>>40950794
Of course I do. Are you implying that I should just bury my head in the sand and focus on being grateful for that 1 thing? Thats your solution?

>>40950680
>No, I'm saying OP needs to be realistic
How is observing my reality not being realistic? How is comparing my reality to the objective, observable realities of others not realistic? I'm not talking about social media either I'm talking about people I know very well in person and they've just had very lucky lives.

>>40950680
>Misery is self inflicted
100% bullshit. I'm currently meditating as I sit on the toilet suffering. The meditating helps, but it doesn't remove this situation from my life. Faggot.

>>40950922
What I'm trying to communicate is that just because your experience, whatever you may experience, or may be experiencing is of you persisting doing so then doesn't mean you are the sole quality-control of what that experience is.You are exposed to people, and timing, location, things that are not in your control or possession. You can have unpleasant, painful experiences because of another person but you don't have to give some meaning or interpretation to said person's ideas to be hurt. If something is hurtful it doesn't have to be the result of some exploration. Some things cause suffering, or misery because that's the innate influence it has. Saying otherwise will start a whole chain of self-contradiction or paradox. Innocent, or inexperienced people get hurt by frauds.

>>40946676
try a parasite cleanse

>>40951071
>>40946676
wrong pic sorry

>>40951040 (cont.)
I guess to be more precise: Trying to mythologize the reality that people can feel pain where exposed to certain intentions, even when the subject here isn't interpreting or isn't arising into said suffering from some exploration is a dangerous concept to preach as reality, because of the nature of some people around. I'm just going to leave it at that. The theoretic limitations of that idea is something that can't be integrated but is hostile of use.

Take a spoonful of castor oil before you go to bed and you'll be running to the toilet in the morning. You won't be wasting 2-3 hours trying to shit and you could well be on the path to a full recovery. Castor oil has many benefits.

>>40950630
>The entire premise is an infantilizing, delusional mess
Do you realize you aren't responding to what that anon said, at all? You're just repeating your emotional outburst

>>40951429
If you don't assume that I'm detached as I say that when you're really a greedy piece of shit then perhaps, still I was. You're a sneaky fucker who wants the meaning of people's pain owned by others. You don't have to act like people are stuck. That quote doesn't have to arise of an emotional eruption, swell, or outburst of some kind it's an infantilizing, delusional mess; and it doesn't have to sanctify some pain that's put on a pedestal to make sure we agree it's there.

>>40946193
>the sick can't heal themselves
I healed my multiple sclerosis, which had take my sight, ability to walk, and more. It turns out the auto immune response was triggered by chronic stress, which I managed with meditation. In truth it was by my own faith that I was healed.

>>40946174 (OP)
The hard truth is that if you don't live a life of relative convenience, you'll be unable to progress spiritually. Stuck in survival mode, the higher aspects are utterly imperceptible. People lash out and attack what they don't understand because truly they are at war with their own ignorance and weakness. OP has done this by reducing the complex beliefs of eastern tradition to solipsism, which they most certainly are not. Alan Watts for instance professed belief in God as creator, and the self as something to be in union with God. So I ask you OP, why are you being so self centered and ignoring the beliefs of the people you attack?

>>40951504
I think you're writing way too ambitiously for the level of English you have, anon. This is incomprehensible.

>>40951504
>>40951548
But even through the weird writing it's still very obvious you're emotional, your argument that an unemotional person could say the same is irrelevant and retarded, I'm talking to you and you're just lashing out at me now. That other anon made a good point and you ignored it, that's all I'm saying

Op you're just mad that you don't truly understand the principles behind these ideas, and so you've never had any real success with them. Because of this you've gotten bitter and cynical about it. I come from a fucked up background full of it's own misfortune too you whiny brat. Plenty of people have, but your biggest problem seems to be your self centered poor me outlook on life. I've gained a lot of insight from these ideas and even had plenty of successes using them, so from my own experience I know they work. You just haven't been able to do it and are angry about your lack of ability.

tl;dr: skill issue op

>>40951548
>>40951571
Look I've dealt with your personality type before, if you're just going to ostentatiously say bullshit, make me you're premise to help sell your bullshit ideas, but deciding for everyone that "you can't say these words without an emotional outburst happening" then that means you're the type of person I deemed you to be. Believing in what the other anon said is delusional. There doesn't need to be an emotional upset to say so, it's because it's fucking delusional. You could have invited me to elaborate which I did below the fucking post you're quoting. And no that's not all you were saying, you greedy, conniving shit. You said that I was repeating an emotional outburst, which didn't happen. But you were trying to make meaning out of that.
You said my post is incomprehensible, which is a lie. You know you're consciously trying to give more meaning to emotion or pain than is real. The critique of the syntax of my post doesn't change the fact you're a conniving piece of shit, human garbage. Regardless of emotional states, things are what they are so stop projecting onto me like I'm fighting to convert against your beliefs.
You're the dickhead who's just claiming it makes sense, when it's actually fantasy.

>>40951571
>>40951778
And finally saying that whether I'm emotional or not is irrelevant with my claim is batshit. Fuck you.

>>40946174 (OP)
op ignore the faggots responding to you they’re all retards hippies. they don’t like to face reality of life so they turn towards the grifters like Allan watts “if you’re poor just buy a house” mentality. now they come on our space and say we are too serious and everything is easy once you think it pretend that it is.
solution? never mind them they will not reach anything out of their hippi journeys they will continue to seek hedonistic lifestyles while pretending to be enlightened. Their whole purpose is to ignore reality and be happy no matter what their goal is to be happy to be hedonistic and never take anything seriously therefore they attack us the “serious people”

>>40946370
> don't wish bad things upon others
retard hippi kys

>>40951757
go back to reatrd then kys hippi fuck

>>40951857
What's worse is these motherfuckers pretend to want people to transcend pain when they can't give a fuck. They'll always contradict their selves too if you listen to them long enough.

>>40946174 (OP)
Unironically, you just haven't figured it out yet. I am very poor yet I recognize that meme is true.

>>40951837
More like
>if you're poor you might have a chance to live a good life
At least get their messaging straight.
The rich struggle with ethics just as much as those fighting to survive.

>>40946174 (OP)
>didn't have to work that hard in life
How little you know.

>>40946193
> "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
That's stupid. Healthy people need doctors too.

>>40951857
Nice comeback. Totally proves how intelligent and valid your entire argument is op

>>40951939
Those bitches just want hell among men to be the structure to their playground. I don't give a fuck what they say it's stupid.

>>40951778
You're clearly obsessed with trying to prove yourself and your opinion to everyone else here, even getting this mad about it. This shows an obvious and massive ego, which is undoubtedly the biggest thing holding you back. You're not yet ready to understand all of this, so go work on yourself first, then come back and give it another go

>>40951837
"Serious people"? You mean the types like you and op who are too self centered and stupid to actually understand what Alan Watts and others like him were saying? Too stupid to understand the complex nuance and esoteric meaning of the philosophies they teach about? Too egotistical to realize that you're not the only ones with problems or pain in life?
Watts was an alcoholic who ended up drinking himself to death, and you two think he did that just for whimsy? He clearly has demons, as most people do, but you two can't understand that, and assume you're the only ones with issues. You then turn around and try to use that pain to justify your own cynicism and skepticism as if no one else knows or has experienced more than either of you.
The two of you are clearly full of yourselves and will never find any peace in life so long as you constantly inflate your own egos with this self defeating victim mentality

>>40946174 (OP)
>Neville Goddard did not start off as upper middle class. He was born in Barbados in 1905 to English parents, Joseph Nathaniel Goddard, a merchant, and Wilhelmina Goddard, and was the fourth of ten children in a modest, middle-class family. He was raised in a humble environment and later emigrated to New York City in 1922 at the age of 17 to study drama. His early life was characterized by modest beginnings, and he achieved financial success later in life through his teachings and writings, which allowed him to live a secure and luxurious lifestyle, including traveling first-class and spending lavishly on his family.

And bear in mind, he didn't achieve success by SELLING his teachings (he did it for free), but by applying them.

tl;dr you're a little bitch

>>40946819

>Nobody has ever, ever, being grateful for having suffered

I have.

>and much less has suffering ever become the reason for greatness.

How do you define greatness?

>Your reaction to it is what influences

Yes. When you realize that your karma is your own and aren't owed anything, it's no longer suffering but self-empowerment. You can then be content even in hellish circumstances. But you wouldn't know this power without having suffered first.

>(somewhat, you can still be the toughest motherfucker around and still be fated to become a failure, for there are many factors involved) your path towards greatness

You get what you give. The universe is ordered by an unswerving justice.


People are often selfish and unreasonable. Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. If you find happiness, people may become jealous. Be happy anyway. If you are honest and sincere, people may cheat you. Be honest and sincere anyway. If you succeed, you may earn false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. What takes a lifetime to build may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. Give it the best you have got and your best may never be enough. Give it your best anyway.

Because in the final analysis, it is always between you and God, not between you and them, anyway.

>>40952040
>https://voca.ro/1cuDRh7WCJhL

I went to the Criticism section of New Thought on Wikipedia, New Thought being the religion that Law of Attraction and all come from even though /x/ never seems to use that term for some reason.
>Although the movement began with roots in feminism and socialism,[citation needed] it increasingly attached itself to far right and racist ideology,[citation needed] arguing that poverty was a sign of spiritual weakness, and that "for the sake of race improvement... poverty and suffering must not be alleviated by the state."[30]
I don't know what makes more sense, privileged or poor people being interested in New Thought, or left wingers or right. I could see both in both cases.
As an agnostic I find it fascinating how religious beliefs sometimes just come from your values and social conditions and not eternal truths. Like how the unnamed /x/core religion with loosh farming and NPCs is probably just a rightoid fantasy.

>>40951778
Literally the only claims are made are
1) You are emotional
2) You ignored that other guy's argument

I'm not reading your rant

>>40946296
>Doesn't change the fact that I'm doubled over in pain every single day of my life and can't see what others can.
This is a very important point that I don't see anons addressing. The only answer I can think of is do your best to manifest when you are not in pain. As someone who got a bad gym injury that used to flare up for days at a time I have a lot of sympathy for people dealing with that shit chronically. You just can't think straight or concentrate in the same way that you used to, so what are those people supposed to do?

>>40953349
see
>>40951892

>>40946205
>what your attitude is towards helping others succeed
Strongly against it. I believe others are evil & helping them would be immoral.

Alan Watts is pedantic Facebook girl spirituality.

>>40953428
What's ironic about him is that he inspired a lot of westerners to take up Zen seriously. But then they found out he was Zen-lite.

>>40953387
It could be they just don't understand it and so offer advice that sometimes contradicts. Maybe it is a case where affirmations work better, as you just have to mindlessly write them down or make boards or concentrate on one clear image. Maybe it is best to ask Spirit Guides to figure it out for you. Or maybe wait until you have painkillers and then at least you can concentrate on that pain free feel. The thing is when you're new to this the stuff about attitude and self concept only helps so much when you are literally suffering. Even if those are the root, it's the big fucking thorn you have to get around.

>>40946819
See this right here is proof of your lack of any insight, which is why this stuff has never worked for you. You are so obviously stuck in a state of self-pity and bitterness that you've never been able to learn the lessons that hardship can teach. I and many others have gone through hardships in life and we all have our demons, but at least I and a few others are truly grateful for the wisdom those hardships have given us.
Both Watts and Goddard taught that to achieve anything, one must let go of wanting and desire. You are clearly incapable of doing this right now, which is exactly why you're complaining about it. You are consumed by greed, by gluttony, by envy, by wrath, and most obviously by pride. Being so consumed by so many of the worst sins, how could you possibly hope to connect to the god inside of you.

You are as yet too immature to utilize magic or occultism in any meaningful way. Look inward and learn from your life first, then try again. Either that or keep complaining about it and continue living in self-pity. It's your life and future, so do as you will.

Everyone this is what I'm talking about. People who believe the shit of OPs meme lie constantly, project onto others and want to control you. They open their vertical fucking mouths then try to disown what comes out of them. Spin shit onto you. Like you have an inflated ego for calling out their manipulation. see below

>>40952040
Master manipulator shit. I knew you dumbasses would slip up

"trying to prove yourself and opinions" are fabrications.
>No opinions have been given. I've not given a single opinion
And I'm going to call you out as a liar always. But I know you only pretend to give a fuck about the truth. You're giving more meaning to pain than is real and you're a controlling piece of shit. Trying to hold on to your delusions.

>I told you before you mother fuckers seek to own the meaning of people's pain as a strategy. You need others to feel stuck in the pain YOU keep visiting

>>40953212
ostentatious lies again, lying motherfucker. Which is why you can't be trusted. The original comment was not of an emotional outburst. He's claiming that some other dipshit had a good point while he was false. Then said I can't say that without being angry.

And I'm tired of all you manipulative motherfuckers saying "All I was saying is"
>lies lies lies
They just fucking lie and hope you don't call them out.

>>40953504
You sound like you're a couple months away from digging into your skin looking for microphones. You should probably stop and consider another path. Not responding anymore

Castor oil will fix your arse problem, OK. A spoonful before bed and you'll be an olympic shitter by morning. This is the third time I've posted this advice and you have not responded because deep down you don't really want a fix to this situation. I'm guessing you're one of those career disabled neckbearded J's I see everywhere for whom being "disabled" is just a way to get everyone else to do everything for them. They are everywhere and they are always of the same genotype, you know what I'm saying, Joe.

>>40946296
>I've made myself a much better person throughout the last few years
Clearly not if you're here complaining and bitching. Ask yourself a few questions. Do those people know the actual you, or just the persona you put up for them? Have your improvements been rooted in actually being a better person, or just coming off as one? Lastly, have you improved your mind and way of thinking (obviously not since you made this thread), or just your behavior to others?
>>40953349
I've never understood people like you and op. I've got chronic lower back pain from a car accident a few years ago. Two ruptured discs, two fractured vertebrae, and lasting muscle and nerve damage. It really sucked at first, but I got used to it and dealt with the pain. Still hurts, especially if I move the wrong way, but I still meditate, I'm still grateful for life, I still do all the things I want to despite the pain, and I certainly don't bitch about it and blame it for all my problems. You both have lives to live regardless, but you're too busy using pain as an excuse for sympathy and inaction. Man the fuck up and deal with it.

>>40953504
Dumb deflective shit. Stop acting like you give a fuck about the well-being of others.You don't. You're a liar. We're not going to stick with you, have you gate-keep when people can move on from some pain.

People should be upset when you try to trademark the meaning of what they say. Anon was saying false shit. Period.

>There's no significant meaning to pain or emotional outbursts
>People who believe, especially peddle OPs meme are liars, master manipulators.

>>40953562
Meant for
>>40953524

>>40953568
And they always try to flee the situation when you call them out for "disowning" shit they've said before, hold them accountable for their words. Or show where they've contradicted their selves.

>>40953558
This doesn't mean anything, you can't just deem OP of stagnating in life certainly because he's talking about pain, the meme he posted being bullshit then say you too have bad pain while not stagnating your life. You say for him to deal with it as his responsibility but try to "fix" him with fantasies.

>>40953504
You clearly must have some sort of schizophrenia, because almost nothing you've said so far makes any kind of intelligible sense. It's a bunch of garbled words that read like a paranoid madman's diary. I don't think anyone in this thread has any actual idea what the fuck you're talking about dude, so go kys and spare us all the garbage coming out of your mouth

>>40953558
>I've never understood people like you and op. I've got chronic lower back pain from a car accident a few years ago. Two ruptured discs, two fractured vertebrae, and lasting muscle and nerve damage. It really sucked at first, but I got used to it and dealt with the pain. Still hurts, especially if I move the wrong way, but I still meditate, I'm still grateful for life, I still do all the things I want to despite the pain, and I certainly don't bitch about it and blame it for all my problems. You both have lives to live regardless, but you're too busy using pain as an excuse for sympathy and inaction. Man the fuck up and deal with it.
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing a little better each day and your meditations and manifestations are working well for you. No, I was really just wondering. I have been grateful while in pain but wouldn't really meditate or try to manifest things when feeling like that. Like I feel like pain would make both those things more difficult/less effective so would just wait for it to pass. I'm glad you're able to carry on regardless through chronic pain. Do you think things like SATS are just as effective either way? I mean there is also pain you can bear and pain you can't and I was just wondering, for the people who can't, what methods are they supposed to do?

>>40953611
The mask is slipping off. You're a liar. OPs meme is peddled by snakes, frauds.
>>gaslightbullshit.jpg
>the meme is still fraudulent trash
>fuck you manipulative pussy

>>40953611
We don't fall for your apparent "stability" when it's a result of oppositional control fuck you.
>Keep pretending to be wise and relatable when you hate people

>>40953638 (cont.)
>>40953611

Showing off that you're projecting too. You have an inflated ego not me.

>>40951515
how did you manage the stress

>>40953612
SATS is a great one for sure, I use it all the time. As far as meditating while in pain, it's definitely hard at first, but you really just have to push through and find a weird sort of almost comfort in it. I guess the secret would be something like being aware of and acknowledging it, but realize that the pain isn't you, and just let it be. Not focusing on the pain, but just letting it exist like every other thought and feeling. It's hard at first but it's the basis of meditation itself, to be aware of thoughts and feelings, and of every sound or sensation, whether good or bad, but not to be distracted by them, and instead understand them simply as what exists in the moment.
I honestly believe that meditating like that is a big part of why I can handle the pain so well.

>>40953627
Dude this sounds like pure skill issue and envy. Mad that you can't do it so you don't want to believe that anyone else can

>>40953662
I either changed how I saw my circumstances or I changed my circumstances. It's a process of mindfulness, then seeing and choosing the best options. There was also a degree of letting go that I think most people go through too. Sacrifices are necessary for transformation after all. I make mine in God's name, to better my circumstances. It's suffering in the pleasant for joy in the future, because there is no blessing without curse.

>>40953647
Had to reply to me three times? Really? You're off your rocker dude, you sound like either some fat retard neckbeard who's mad he couldn't manifest some pussy for once, or you're some manlet indian angry for the same reason

>>40953700
>>40953718
>Because you can not have moved on from some delusional shit
Look at these dumbasses. I told them that their special little religion is full of fantasies, and was detached while doing so then. They want to act like they don't hold people back. Remember when you lied about me giving opinions and trying to prove myself? No I'm calling you out as a controlling manipulator. You guys are infantile as fuck.

>Still trying to flee from previous posts

>>40953687
>I honestly believe that meditating like that is a big part of why I can handle the pain so well.
That's great :) I'm glad you are able to use it to reduce the pain and not let it win. I think I've managed what you explain a couple of times, sort of aware but unfocused on an ache and it greatly reduces or disappears. But it kind of felt like an accident. If my gym injury flares up again I'll need to give it a good try because fuck having to always take painkillers. Our minds are capable of a lot and even although some pains can be all consuming I'd like to believe there is always something we can do about it. I read someone else explain something like if pain is a part of you it should feel safe with you, or something. Like you shouldn't push it away or resist, because that makes it worse, but accept it and it goes away on it's own, which sounds a little similar to what you do. But yeah, working on awareness sounds like a good method!

>>40953757
The opinions you're giving is that all of this is bullshit and manipulative, and that we're all dumb or whatever for believing it. The trying to prove it part is how you keep arguing your point and repeating the same half baked garbage.
Where exactly did I lie you retarded dipshit. I'd usually tell you to go practice your reading comprehension, but honestly I'd prefer if you just go kys and rid the world of the little blight that you are

>>40953963
No you're retroactively fitting things that came later on into the initial reply. You are manipulative and dumb for believing in this shit.

>>40953798
>Like you shouldn't push it away or resist, because that makes it worse, but accept it and it goes away on it's own, which sounds a little similar to what you do.
This is exactly it actually. If you try to make it go away, then that means your focus is on the pain. If your focus is on the pain, then your mood becomes dependent on whether it's there or not, or whether it's better or worse in any given moment.
By just letting it be, and accepting that it's better sometimes, or worse others, but not obsessing over which one, you come to see it as just another sensation. When you come to see it as such, it stops being so important, and your mind becomes able to focus on other things more fully, which naturally helps it not so much actually feel better, but seem like it is because it's not dictating your mood anymore.
Alan Watts actually helped me to understand this idea. I don't remember the exact words, but it was something like if you're meditating and hear a sound, the goal is not to acknowledge that there's something making sound, but rather to simply acknowledge that there is sound. In the same vein, I try not to think that I'm in pain, but rather that there just is pain, same way as there can be hot or cold, or wet or dry. It's only a sensation.
I don't know if that explains it too well, but it's the best I can do.

>>40954029
What the fuck are you on dude? This whole time you've been ranting about how this is all fake and arguing with anyone who disagrees. This is why you must have schizophrenia, because you clearly can't keep track of your own actions and words, and are inserting your own made up reality in place of this one
For the last time because I'm done wasting my time with you, go kys. Make it painful if you could, I'd appreciate that.

>>40954123
Lying again. Projecting. You said that I'm being emotional and also that's impossible to say what I said without emotional inflammation.

YOU're flipping back n' forth about this being about feeling then about validation.

This claim of "there's no one holding you back or holding you down" that's bullshit. That's illusory, delusional trash that people commit to making realistic. "Every man for them selves" is a bad personality, we have responsibilities.
The previous 7 or 8 replies of yourselves are from this m.o. of psychological warfare you have to distant yourselves from previous shit you've said. Then in that dynamic you want to take that experience to lie to yourselves. You stagnate the progression of other people and then the reason that bullshit meme OP posted looks legitimate is because you guys take it upon yourselves to just decide when people are operating from some "wound" you say they have then act like they're being mentally defunct. That's the full but entire play and playbook. Put a roadblock of pain in someone's way then deem them of not processing it, feeling it the right way. Then you act superior to them. YOU can't do this and you want me to do something you know can't be done. You are the roadblock to integrity.

But I bet this is another reply you're "not going to read" then claim I've never addressed that original anon's argument hm. You're just playing with yourself, you don't really believe this shit

>>40946174 (OP)
I was volunteered for medical experimentation and vampiric feeding as a child. I was raised in an environment where respect was a zero-sum game. I say this with love, Anon, but you are acting like a coward. You were chosen for Life and Death, and you are choosing to smash yourself in the face with a boot.

>>40954259
So this is the 16th faggot coming on here telling me they're in pain and had a hard life but that they'd never go against that religious shit of OPs meme. Delusional and brainwashed.

And the speaking "with love" thing really brings the "I'm pretending to care about people" thing around. I hate you, master bitch.

>>40954289
You could listen to our stories instead of arguing. You are free to sit on your toilet and think mean things about people you will never meet, but talking to us about it won't get you any farther.

My suggestion is to look into Tai Chi and how it uses sandbagging techniques to redirect force instead of resisting it. The concept is generally useful in life for slowing people down who are trying to walk all over you.

>>40953558
>I've never understood people like you and op
Because you're too busy stroking your own ego here, and you continue to go off on tangents that aren't related to the OP.

The audience I'm directing my frustration at is specific: the "manifesters" and guilt-tripping spiritual narcissists of /x/. The general idea is that this group of people believe that all of my physical ailments, as well as my negative life conditions, are the result of my own negative thinking. Whether it's my color-blindness or my poor upbringing, somehow, according to them, it's entirely my own fault and my own manifestations to blame.

My claim, and the point of this thread, is that they're full of shit. What I believe really happens is that some people are randomly blessed with highly favorable conditions, then they stumble upon Buddhism and other belief systems while lazing about, and it's too easy for them to make the leap to the conclusion that positive thinking brought them to "enlightenment". They also have time and money to travel, discover 3rd world grifters selling mysticism, write their own books and sniff their own farts all day.

I am not just complaining abut life in general, and I'm not saying I don't fight, work on my issues and still do the things I want to do in life. This is specifically about a particular subject on /x/. Pay attention to the context of the thread. Stop going off on tangents in order to judge me and stroke your ego.

>>40954344
>You are free to sit on your toilet and think mean things about people you will never meet
I'm literally using "OP" as my name here to make it easy for you. Stop assuming everyone you talk to is me. I'm the toilet master. Not him.

>>40946174 (OP)
>Thinking positively and manifesting a better life for myself is absurd and impossible. I actually tried it for 2-3 years anyway with no results.

>>40946174 (OP)
Lol Alan Watts worked himself to death having to pay alimony and child support, no thanks to his hippy free love bullshit. Of course the alcoholism didn't help either.

>>40946174 (OP)
I grew up very underprivileged.
That meme is still spot on.
Lower class and poor people are adepts at self sabotage.

>>40954478
And I get it, why this goes on. If you were in an environment where every connection you make of relationship tells you you're the right one in being, even if it's happenstantial that they're telling you that why would you want that to paradigm change?

>>40954491
True. This affects even the upper class, though they can afford to recover from their mistakes a lot better. But the meme is overly facile and has the kind of metaphysical baggage that tends toward solipsism.

>>40954475
cringe

>>40954478
He had a heart condition and was wanting to die early. His son said he probably tried to accelerate the process with alcohol. He died at only 58 after touring Europe and retiring to a cabin. Sounds pretty comfy to me and no mention of alimony problems. That's just a rumor as far as I'm aware. He even donated $60,000 (adjusted for inflation) for a friend to come to America.

>>40954515
Well, I got the alimony story from Monica Furlong's Zen Effects. She was recounting Watts' friend Gary Snyder's story about seeing him. Where did you get this bit from? Do you remember the friend's name?
>He even donated $60,000 (adjusted for inflation) for a friend to come to America
It's still quite possible for Watts to be financially strained yet also spending more than he can actually afford.

>>40951979
No they don't, they only need them when they're sick, retard

>>40946174 (OP)
Yet here you are, espousing a belief that they are beneath you because they had it easy.
Clearly you are manifesting being the best you can be, in your own mind, by not having things so easy.
What do you actually want to manifest?
To be like them, having it easy?
Their magick worked for them, yours clearly hasn't for you.
One might learn in this situation, but you strike me more as the type to lash out, maybe even start cursing, whining about how you're so much better because you're a cuck who likes to suffer more than have it easy.

>>40954732
>magic
>with a k
lmao mega cringe

>>40954740
Sure, weeb. Go watch some japanese tranny indoctrination videos you incompetent little parasite.

>>40954766
>but you strike me more as the type to lash out, maybe even start cursing, whining about how you're so much better
ok, troll

>>40954732
>a belief that they are beneath you because they had it easy
False. I simply explained why they might have had such positive and whimsical ideas about life. Nothing I said implied superiority over anyone.
>Their magick worked for them
Half the thread is bickering about whether they actually struggled financially or not. You believe they were successful with their craft and yet they chose to remain financially limited? I highly doubt that. You honestly just sound angry and like you're trying to incite anger in others here.

>>40954435
I had a hard life growing up too, not that you would know or care, and I absolutely believe in manifestation. I know it works because I've done it.

Anyway, you're too stuck in self-pity and self centered thinking to understand the whole picture. Manifestations work on other people too, Goddard talked about this many times. You may not have manifested your conditions, but that doesn't mean others didn't. That's why he stressed having careful control of your thoughts and feelings, because everything you imagine can become reality. What if your mother worried a little too much about having a child with various problems? What if your dad thought too much about how he'd raise a son with disabilities? What if someone who didn't like your parents hoped for and thought about them having a broken child?

As far as Watts goes, he taught and practiced Buddhism, which believes in karma. If you were born with defects and problems, then that means you did bad things in a past life, and are being punished for them now. His teachings were to help people realize that no matter the circumstances, there is always joy and meaning to be found in life, but to find it one must overcome themselves, which despite your claims of self improvement, you clearly haven't done yet.

In either case, you've yet to realize that the whole system is far greater than just your own life. Everyone and everything, both in the past and the future are connected. This is the nature of the Buddha, and of the god inside of us.
As above so below, as within so without. Until you understand what that really means, you'll never have peace, and you'll certainly never be able to utilize the wisdom you've rejected.

>>40955120
>I had a hard life growing up too, not that you would know or care
>you're too stuck in self-pity and self centered thinking
>If you were born with defects and problems, then that means you did bad things in a past life, and are being punished for them now
We’re just going in circles while you continue to talk like a dismissive asshole. You’re really just stating the same thing in different ways: Everything is my own fault and I should just be happy I’m not a Vietnamese rice farmer with no legs. Case closed. Heard you loud and clear.

>>40954435
Forgot to add that Goddard taught that to change our world we must change ourselves. We must imagine ourselves as already being the person we want to be, and then persist in that belief. The world will then conform to that image. So as long as you keep believing yourself to be someone who's less fortunate, or broken, or with whatever other malady, then that is exactly who you will be.

>>40955155
What do you have to lose?

>>40955176
It’s called feeling the wish fulfilled. I’m well aware already and if you had any real respect for others you’d realize I’ve already described my attempts with that, but your primary goal is to judge me and make yourself feel like a guide.

>>40955190
>>40955195
It worked for me. Many times.

>>40955155
So what just happened is that you read all of that, realized that it perfectly refuted your entire argument, and out of egotistical anger about that, decided to cherry-pick and strawman me. All while providing no actual counterpoint, and instead just trying to dismiss me and continue pretending you're still right.
What wonderful proof of your self improvement op.

>>40955195
I've had plenty of success with it, so I don't know what to tell you. Clearly you just never properly understood it.

>>40955213
>it perfectly refuted your entire argument
It didn’t though. You just brought up multiple ideas/ways to tell me that everything is my own fault instead of providing any real advice for me.

I was a bad man in a past life so I just deserve bad things to happen to me?

Or, my parents manifested bad conditions for me and it’s their fault?

You’re not providing any real solution you’re just fishing for reasons to label me as inferior to yourself, a bad person, worthy of suffering only, etc. You want to tell me I’m wrong more than you want me to be on the right path because you also don’t know the right path or you’re hateful.

>>40955232
>”I figured it all out but I’m still here on this anonymous forum full of toxic trolls just to tell you you’re stupid.”
Congratulations.

>>40955076
>Half the thread is bickering about whether they actually struggled financially or not. You believe they were successful with their craft and yet they chose to remain financially limited?
There's things beyond money and you can have your needs met without a penny.
I've made well over half a million a year and I've been dirt poor, now I just manifest what I want when I want it.
Magick works, the simple fact is OP suggested they had it easy, seeing itself (let's be honest here, OPs are fags or troons so it's not a "he") as their superior.
Well, why would he want to be inferior to what he is?
His subconscious knows what he wants, and in his mind that's perfect, why would it taint that perfection by having it easy?
The most critical magick is the self-alchemy so you don't hold such limited beliefs, if you believe it's anger to convey that in a manner which stands a slim shot in Hell at passing through his filters, so be it, but you're wrong. Anger is however the energy the OP needs to change their mindset and reprogram that part of their subconscious to have it better than they have now. So trying to incite anger in OP? Absolutely. Is that bad? No.

>>40956437
>So trying to incite anger in OP? Absolutely. Is that bad? No.
It's calling trolling and it's a direct representation of what kind of person you really are.

>>40946370
Yup, confirmed redditroon.

>>40956453
One trying to help even someone like you by breaking you out of your self-limiting beliefs via the mechanisms of action which are effective?
Yeah, I'm a fucking saint bruh. You're welcome.
I've literally spent the whole of my life healing people and protecting them, I've actually saved no less than tens of millions of lives, without even exaggerating, and I don't mean through "trolling."
But to each their own, keep believing everyone who has it easy is your lesser if you never want to have it easy, you wouldn't want to be lesser, would you?

dude this OP is a huge bitch

LoA shit aside he just sounds like he doesn't actually want help. it's sad.

>>40946174 (OP)
The difficulty here is to do it this way:
1. If I am guilty of everything, then it is somehow bad
2. But if no one is guilty of anything, that is also bad
3. It is best for all other people to be guilty, but I am not
4. PSYCHOANALYSIS!

Test

>>40956782
he frames himself as the victim and focuses on negative shit, thus it sustains his neg. reality. i know this because i do it and have done it all the time. he says he has tried LoA but doesn't have a clue.

>>40956782
>>40956840
Your responses are all negative, condescending and hateful. The world is full of people like you. Is it so surprising that I'm aware of negativity when people like you are always there to remind me?

My objective observations do not force me into a negative state. Sometimes it's quite humorous how bad my luck is and I just have to laugh. But just because I'm able to laugh at myself sometimes doesn't mean I'm able to make my problems go away with positive thinking, and that's my point: There are limitations at play in this world that have nothing to do with my way of thinking, my personality, my attitude, or whatever other guilt-tripping excuses you want to come up with. There's a "background" to all of this, something in place without my consent.

Is it such a stretch to think that this "background" provides favorable conditions for some people, leading them to believe in certain ways of thinking ("Oh I must be enlightened and the world is all rainbows and butterflies."), rather than those people actually "manifesting" themselves into such favorable conditions?

>>40957165
"There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Everything is acceptable to me.’ There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Nothing is acceptable to me.’ There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘Some things are acceptable to me and some things are not.’ Regarding this, the view of the ascetics and brahmins to whom everything is acceptable is close to greed, bondage, approving, attachment, and grasping. The view of the ascetics and brahmins to whom nothing is acceptable is far from greed, bondage, approving, attachment, and grasping."

MN 74: Dīghanakhasutta

most manifesters quit before hitting it big with a major reality shift.
>Alan Watts, Neville Goddard
both grifters repeating and repackaging wisdom that was already written before them

the master key by Charles F. Haanel predates both of those two asshats. was written in early 1900s, and was the original source material for "the secret"

>>40946174 (OP)
Op you've spent the entire thread arguing against anyone who dares disagree with you or have a different opinion about things. You've ignored all advice, rejected all other perspectives, and insist that just because you haven't been able to do something, or don't understand how it could work, then it must then be false. You're an egotistical and self-obsessed mess. You're not looking for any advice or insight, you just want to assert your opinion and try to refute everyone else's. Literally all of the answers you were looking for have been given several times, but you've ignored all of them because you can't stand the thought that you might be wrong about something, or that you simply just failed. I and many others have used the law and other types of magic, and so from our perspective you just seem like a whiny brat throwing an envious and egotistical tantrum because you can't do what others have done.
I have to wonder why you're even on this board if you think it's all bullshit, much less why you'd make a thread like this unless it was purely to argue with people about it. As far as I and I'm sure many others can see, you're absolutely hopeless op. You failed to use the law and magic, got mad, and refuse to see yourself as the reason you failed. So as long as your ego refuses to acknowledge that you're the problem, you'll never be able to use it. Kindly bump off op, you're not actually here for insight anyway, you're just here to argue and try to make yourself feel validated.

>>40957436
just lulz at goddardfags. in 1922 he was still a gay theaterkid studying DANCING, when The Master Key was already published and in circulation. also according to the wiki, goddard drew heavily from Kybalion. he was basically the equivalent of a shitty podcaster of his day, just regurgitating whatever was already part of the culture.
OP makes a strong point.
>tee hee it's all in your mind!!

>>40947073
>Bhagavad Gita even says don't be attached to the results of your work.

these demands for humility and humbleness are nothing but gaslighting

>>40946174 (OP)
Speaking from a Buddhist perspective you have to be kind of careful with Alan Watts. He is a good scholar and DT Suzuki called that man a great Bodhisattva.

Two things he said you may consider:

1) we should meditate because it's "fun"
It's true that the end game of the Lotus Sutra is to receive toys (ox carts bedecked with jewels) to play with. But then it's really more about play than Fun. This actually goes back to Lila. Revolving your whole meditative practice around "fun" may be a consistent method, yet I'm not sure how heretical that is. For example it's more like right effort right samadhi right mindfulness. Maybe it's a cool Zen modern appeal for our ears but it may take you off the Noble Eightfold Path to do it because it's "fun" and not out of right effort and also discipline.

Next he says, samadhi is Nirvana with active attachment to pleasure. Whenever I quote this on /x/ I get laughed at, mostly by people who haven't cultivated right mindfulness. But when I say it came from Watts, that's when the witch hunt begins.

Speaking of witches, with respect to Goddard, I think you guys should just admit you just like the witchcraft, and really aspire to be witches, rather than draping your aspirational desire sorcery in Jesus crap

>>40946174 (OP)
How's the job application going, Simon?

Everyone is privilege one way or another. So stop it with the woe is me behavior. We are all individuals with our own journeys.

>>40957458
He certainly has stamina for someone who claims to be handicapped. I think most people would have bowed out and spent some time on introspection and wound licking after the first 10 or so rebuttals but this guy just keeps on coming back for more. Masochist or narcissist, he clearly gets off on all the negative attention.

>>40957496
He did miss a critical component of magick and manifestation, but the OP hasn't touched on it once.
Magick is force+form, emotion+intellect.
You can daydream all you want, and that's basically half of it, but if you never apply the force, the raw emotional fuel you won't get it, like building a car with no gas.
Only in OP's case it seems more like he's applying the fuel in all the wrong ways "this won't work" "I can't learn from others because I'm all-knowing in my own mind" "being wealthy and having an easy life is being my lesser" so he's literally manifesting shit half-assed and geared towards fucking himself.

>>40957436
Interesting, I'll check out Haanel.

>>40957459
I'm not even claiming that they were wrong about most of what they preached. I just think that their sheltered and comfortable lives, and the mystics they encountered during their likely drug-fueled escapades, had more to do with their beliefs than anything they actually experienced firsthand. Someone gave them a message to spread.

>>40957471
Exactly. There's always someone to remind you that it could be worse so "we should just be grateful for the meager dirt that we do have" instead of thinking critically about our reality.

>>40957496
>1) we should meditate because it's "fun"
Maybe on psychedelics. It seems like it's always meant to disassociate from reality and avoid problems in one way or another.
>witchcraft
I don't really know shit about witchcraft. Was Goddard involved?

I'll have to ignore the angry gaslighters who continue to waste their time with long, rambling paragraphs completely dedicated to telling me how shitty of a human being I am rather than actually engage in any type of discussion.

>>40951034
Meditating is going to stop you shitting blood and being a bitch about it. You literally have to change your attitude about your situation. My little sister has really bad ulcerative colitis and occassional stomach paralysis which is far worse than what you've described, she also has periods to deal with too every month and you've already bitched and whined more in this thread than she ever has. Pussy.

>>40957873
You sound like an angry teenager about to shoot up the school. Relax dude.

>>40946174 (OP)
wait, you guys taking that joke seriously ?

>>40957831
>I'll have to ignore the angry gaslighters who continue to waste their time with long, rambling paragraphs completely dedicated to telling me how shitty of a human being I am rather than actually engage in any type of discussion.
The only "conversation" you seem to want are the ones that agree with you and inflate your obvious ego. You don't want conversation or discussion at all, you just want an echo chamber.

>>40958044
What do you hope to gain by writing like this? Be honest with yourself. What's your goal with that statement?

>>40958050
My goal was to point out that you're just a whiny faggot who only wants to hear his opinions repeated back to him so he can feel like he's right. That you needed me to repeat that to understand it means you might want to consider the idea that you might just be stupid, and that's why none of this has ever worked for you.

>>40957496
didn't he die from alcoholism(suicide) ?

>>40958092
Yeah, he did. He had his own demons like most people do. Doesn't make what he taught and preached any less valid though. Not that I think anyway, because even if it couldn't save him, that doesn't mean it's not helping and saving so many others.

>>40946174 (OP)
Communists are not welcome here. You are soulless golems made by kikes in the 1930s who have outlived their masters and their purpose. Your states have failed, your ideologies have failed, your existence is on sufferance only. Leave.

>>40958088
I didn’t need you to repeat it I just wanted you to feel satisfied. Your opinion was noted many comments ago. The real question is why did YOU feel the need to repeat yourself here like it’s going to help anything the 4th or 5th time? Just move on with your life. Calling me names and telling me I’m just whining isn’t constructive. I’m interested in hearing from someone who was able to manifest away a major physical problem or change the entire world, and so far that still hasn’t happened as far as I can tell.

>>40959100
> I’m interested in hearing from someone who was able to manifest away a major physical problem or change the entire world, and so far that still hasn’t happened as far as I can tell.
Op there have been plenty of people in this thread telling you that they've succeeded with manifestation. There's even been a few saying exactly what you claim no one has yet. You've rejected all of them, and dismissed them all as liars and hopeful idiots.

There is a mountain of people at this point verifying that it's all true, including myself. You just can't accept the reality that you failed, and your massive fucking ego can't possibly imagine that it might be wrong. So here you are, ignoring all the proof you claim to have started this thread to get, and instead starting a circle-jerk with all the other losers who couldn't figure it out and got bitter about it.

You failed op, and so did they, simple as. Keep being a self pitying loser all you want though dude, it's your life that suffers for it, not any of ours.

OP if you are still here:
1. focus on solutions, look for them, instead of reiterating the problems that afflict you
2. sort through problems, and organize them in your mind. are they real problems, are they your problems or someone else's that they tricked you into believing is your problem to fix (often at their benefit)?
3. always be solution-focused. this is expected at any job, you are there to solve problems, provide value, within the allotted time, and they pay you. ppl who solve big problems get paid big money (usually, but not always, sometimes they solve a small problem for millions, and get paid millions, like entertainers and comedians)
4. use your mind to figure out ways to get what you want without expending too much energy or time or money (all three things ultimately the same anyway, it's all energy or symbols for energy).
5. stop trying to find easy answers from books and vids, maybe they help, but it sounds like that's not for you and you reject author's message based on their privileged background (i can understand).
6. life is not fair, accept it. grass always looks greener. i get bored, gamble online, and the dealers are in 2nd world countries, they usually look miserable but pretend to be happy just for their job so they don't get fired. being a wagie is literal hell and i know because i've been there, done that (now i'm just a parasite mooching off my poor parents who annoy me)
7. the entire universe including our lives, is neither mind or physical, it's some weird combo of both. hard to explain. the simulation theory is pretty accurate from what i've seen and experienced. i'm probably older than you.

>>40960040
one moar thing: sometimes a problem can't even be solved so just ignore it and move on to the next problem that you can find a solution for. you really do have to organize problems and start seeking or designing solutions. you are not an animal you have more control than you think. a monkey is stuck being a monkey. a man can change and direct his self.

>>40953445

>The thing is when you're new to this the stuff about attitude and self concept only helps so much when you are literally suffering.

You're operating under the premise that no one here has "literally suffered". Everyone suffers. There are people alive who have suffered worse than you and transcended it.

>>40946174 (OP)
Slave mentality, the post.

Your life sucks because you suck at life.
Your life will get better if you actively believe it already is.

I was homeless and had nothing.
Now I’m married, with kids, and living happily.

Life isn’t given to you, but you have to believe you’re deserving of the things you want and that they’ve already happened.
It took me 5 years of manifesting.

>>40960040

>life is not fair, accept it

Life is fair when you accept that you aren't owed anything and are able to integrate humility as the basis of your habits. That's when then universe yields.

>being a wagie is literal hell and i know because i've been there, done that

It's not the circumstance that makes you feel bad, it's how you think about it that makes you feel bad. You have the free will to change your thoughts in every moment.

>(now i'm just a parasite mooching off my poor parents who annoy me)

It's not your parents who annoy you, it's how you think about them that annoys you.

>the entire universe including our lives, is neither mind or physical, it's some weird combo of both.

It's a normal (by default) combination. Ying-yang.

>>40960222
>But you aren’t sick like me!
Thyroid tumors.
Missing a leg. (Not military btw)
Ulcerative Collitis (not fun when you can’t easily clean your clothing).
I still didn’t give up because I’m not a whiny bitch.

>>40957920

Even if your interpretetion is correct, your perspective is a tiny fraction of the whole. Lurkers and commenters may gain something of value in a way you cannot understand, by virtue of your limited (by default) perspective.

There are joke songs that have spoken to me in symbolic ways which helped me understand things the song writers never intended. We are vessels. It's less about understanding and more about listening.

>>40946174 (OP)
>I'm colorblind
Holy fuck if this is the first complaint about yourself you come up with, you're even more privileged as those people you named.

I'm colorblind too and it's not an issue at all outside of very specific things in my life.

>>40959740
Telling me you’re successful and insisting I just believe you isn’t proof.


>>40960040
>always be solution-focused. this is expected at any job
So now this is a job interview? Are you brain dead or still drunk from your night out?
>im probably older than you
40
>life is not fair, accept it
I’m not obligated to accept anything. I don’t consent to your self-defeating worldview.

>>40960222
>I was homeless and had nothing. Now I’m married, with kids
You made many poor choices in life. Cause and effect. You didn’t manifest anything. Probably had a drug or alcohol problem that you finally got control over. Our issues aren’t the same.

>>40960246
>still didn’t give up
It’s not “giving up” to talk about these things, asshole. It’s the point of this forum. I’m not dead and I’m not threatening to do anything. You and other angry anons here are making things up in your own head and running with them because your egos are too desperate for validation. I’ve already overcome most of life’s problems and I’ll be able to retire early because of my hard work. Don’t tell me I’ve given up on life just because I think LoA is grifting bullshit, faggot.

>>40960673
>I can’t see colors but it’s cool so I’m better than you
Literally fuck off back to plebbit kid. You’re missing the point of the thread if that’s all you can read.

I’m a remote energy healer and I can relieve most of your IBS if you’d be open to a healing session. All you have to do say yes.

After meditating for many hours on this thread I’ve reached a new possible conclusion.

Perhaps the problem is not that “life” is unfair to some of us and more favorable for others, but maybe we don’t understand what “life” really is. Perhaps we “see” only what we need to see in order to change our minds, and perhaps we experience only what we need to experience in order to evolve. Maybe it’s not all about finding any objective truth, maybe it’s about evolving to a perfected state of consciousness no matter the traumatic experiences required to reach that level. An experience is really just a collection of information that we then process and use to modify our own behaviors or ideas.

Anyway, it’s not about “woe is me” and it’s not about “oh my conditions are way worse than yours and YOU’RE complaining?” These are children talking without a spiritual sense of mind. Good luck.

>>40946174 (OP)
>Alan Watts, Neville Goddard, both lived very comfortable, upper middle-class lives and didn't have to work that hard in life
Watts literally drank himself to death

>>40961635
No he had a heart condition and likely chose to accelerate the dying process according to his son. He wasn’t depressed. We’ve already covered this ITT so you obviously didn’t read anything.

>>40961640
are you trying to argue that someone *trying to hasten their own death* was happy? it's the same as bourdain - on the outside he had the best life imaginable, and then he hanged himself in a closet

>>40961693
Did I say anything about being happy? I just said he didn’t drink himself to death he always had a heart condition. And no it was not the same thing as Bourdain.

>>40946174 (OP)
Agreed. Always saw this is gaslighting bullshit. Like the whole "Everybody is God and were all torturing ourselves, we all agreed to everything that will happen, that child that got raped today chose this". People who talk that shit need to be hospitalized.

>>40961693
A priviledged piece of shit being unappreciative of their priviledged doesn't mean that they lived a bad life, it means they were just an unappreciative priviledged piece of shit instead of a regular piece of shit.

For example, the argument that "money can't buy happiness because rich people kill themselves too" is disingenuous bullshit, because that person likely would have killed themselves even sooner if they weren't rich. Happiness literally comes from your life being easier, less stress free, and more convenient, and money does all of these things. Just because some retard would rather buy brand named clothes to show off for people who don't care about them and that leads to a mental decline, because they didn't spend the money on something they could truly enjoy by themselves, doesn't mean that the money couldn't buy happiness, it just means they were too stupid or ignorant to spend it properly.

>>40961640
Source? Also, you chose to skip over this anon's posts. Very dishonest of you.
>>40954694
>>40954700

>>40961549
Ah you have this cool problem where you put issues into my life.
I lost my leg because my dad beat me.
After being taken away from my family and taken to social services I didn’t like being raped so I became homeless.
I didn’t do drugs, because believe it or not, I didn’t want to stay homeless.

>>40961838
Thank you for this.

A SPOONFUL OF CASTOR OIL BEFORE YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT.. IBS SORTED.. acknowledge receipt of this info, you fucking ungrateful neckbeard.

>>40962142
Acknowledged, angry arrogant anon. I’m not constipated though, I have the opposite problem. Castor oil would destroy me.

We already know

You can be calm

>>40961549
>Telling me you’re successful and insisting I just believe you isn’t proof.
Exactly what kind of proof are you looking for here then? It's an image and message board, the entire thing is just people saying shit.
The same applies the other way too, you say you understand the law and tried it to no avail, but where's the proof of that other than you saying so? Where's the proof of anything else you claim? To all of us who have used the law, it's very clear that you're just ignorant, inept, and bitter about it.

Also you're 40 dude? Seriously?! This is how you're spending your life at 40? By throwing out an ignorant poor me opinion and arguing constantly with randos online? God damn op, you're more of a loser than I thought. By that age your opinions should be way more mature than what we've all seen so far, and you should have much better things to do than spending this much time clearly obsessed with internet stranger's opinions. You are absolutely pitiful op, and I can't believe I've wasted my time like this on an obvious man-child. Goodbye and good luck I guess dude. Maybe someday you'll be able to pull your head out of your own ass and actually smell the roses.

>>40961626
Congrats op, you've just rediscovered Daoism and the basis of spiritual alchemy. Both of which were things Alan Watts talked about extensively.
I'm thinking that despite your claims, you didn't actually dive quite deep enough into his works.

>>40962923
>you didn't actually dive quite deep enough into his works.
Having read something and believed it are two different things. Nothing I said about Alan Watts was false. He had luxuries that many of us didn’t, which enabled him to study and ask questions from an earlier age instead of focusing on survival. Like most of the other anons here, your primary goal with this type of comment is just to stroke your own ego and instill a sense of superiority for yourself, but just remember that you’re here with me on this anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>40962953
You're assuming that there was any malice or ego in my comment op, which in itself is an egotistical thing to do.

Regardless, you began this thread entirely dismissive of Watts and Goddard, and have rather passionately argued against anyone supportive of their messages.
Now, you've arrived at an insight which provides the basis for actually understanding at least Watts, for again this is exactly what he talked about, and in doing so have proved all of those other "egos" correct in their rebuttals of your initial opinion. It also negates all of your counterarguments so far, as having come to such an insight means that before such time you were still immature, and unable to understand the teachings that you began all of this in total disregard of. You've been arguing this whole time based on a lack of your own understanding.

So then, based upon your own insight now, it would seem right to say that all of this has been for the purpose of your own growth. That this is such an experience given to you in order to evolve you further as you say. In that thinking then, it would seem right to say that you in fact did have an ego shrouded in ignorance, but have now at least seemingly started to see clearly.

This is a good thing op. I say all this not out of ego, nor any desire to belittle or demean you. I mean it only to point out how much there still is for you to learn, and how much potential you've now discovered for yourself.

>>40946174 (OP)
This is a lot more accurate.
I was fine until I looked too far, now it's been several years since I lost my fucking mind

>>40963105
>You're assuming that there was any malice or ego in my comment
About 90% of what you write is clearly egotistical. I'm not taking the time to analyze it in detail because it's not important. Thinking you can write without ego is silly.

>>40962284
OK, sincere apologies. Have you ever had a course of antibiotics because theye are well known to cause long-term havoc on the gut biome by destroying the beneficial bacteria which then gets taken over by parasictc fungus which release toxins into the bloodstream. maybe you should look into that area of things if you haven't already. Castor oil still may be beneficial however in helping to purge toxicity from the gut.

>>40963255
And refusing to acknowledge that anyone even might know more or better than you is even sillier.

fuck materialists
fuck prots
fuck pagans
fuck midwits
that is all

>>40946199
Masonic faggots get raped in hell
Just stop bitching, bro.
You all know what you did and why you're going there.

>>40963868
You can't guilt trip me

>>40962953
Wait so you read his works, didn't understand it (or didn't "believe" it, which is the same fucking thing), and made this thread to shit on him and anyone who likes his stuff. You then have some kind of revelation and realize exactly what he had always been saying, but still refuse to admit that you have been wrong this whole time. Finally you still accuse others of having an ego even when this is pointed out, and insist that you're somehow still morally or "spiritually" superior?

Sincerely op, fuck off to reddit if you just want everyone to tell you you're so great when you realize such a basic concept

>>40946174 (OP)
After skimming this thread I have concluded that op is either a master level troll or a massive retard. Probably both

>>40951515
Proud of you anon.

>>40953662
Understand that you are part of nature and every process in your body works most optimally when in alignment with its laws. Problem is we have lost touch with this knowledge and actively work against our best instincts in this day and age with the way we live our lives.

Pick an ancient tradition and commit to learning and practicing fully for at least a year. It is a total lifestyle change. Hatha yoga (real yoga, not just asana) or a qigong lineage is a good place to start.

>>40964209
>Wait so...
No, and it's pretty clear that very few anons understood what I was trying to say as well. Just move on.
>you insist you're somehow still morally or spiritually superior
Projecting out your ass very hard anon. I never claimed to be superior to anyone. I'm not repeating myself again.

>>40964247
>After skimming this thread
Clearly

>>40946174 (OP)
Rich and privileged people have struggles and need to work to improve themselves. Writing stuff to help that demographic is valid.
You have things backwards, the philosophy doesn't exist to judge the less fortunate, it's not to make things happen, but to ALLOW things to happen. The first step to doing something or accomplish sometime is to believe it can happen. If everyone thought like you no one would accomplish anything great.
The whole "law of attraction is wrong and god doesn't exist because I'm miserable" is such a tired overused argument. Like you honestly think Alan Watts and Goddard never thought about the existence of the less fortunate? Those two guys are very different anyway. Alan is more the "wanting things is bad" philosophy, just goes to show how shallow your understanding is. You're just feeding your victim ego.

>>40946174 (OP)
I would like to add CS Lewis to this list. Christians fucking love to quote this rich trust fund kiddie and his ramblings about how God has this amazing plan for you if you just wait 2 more weeks while he ignored the millions that die to senseless bullshit each year and all the natural evil God put on this world (for his enjoyment). It's very easy to say this world is great and God is love when you're set from birth.

>>40946535
Where was this hypothetical saving moment for people kill in senseless wars, by famine, suicide etc etc? Was God just out of the room for those ones?

>>40964439
>god doesn't exist because I'm miserable" is such a tired overused argument
Childish claim. Nobody said this.

>>40964576
Nobody said the exact words, but it's the same idea you've been saying since the start of the thread. You actually are just retarded aren't you.

>>40964576
Op just curious how many people need to tell you you're wrong before you consider that you might be wrong. Cause like this is one of the biggest threads on x right now and almost the entirety of it is against you.
Are you really just that stubborn?

>>40964331
I definitely read all of your responses op and I stand by what I said. Retard or troll, there is no third option I'm afraid. Have fun tho I guess

>>40964934
OP is trolling all of us. He can't decide what he believes

>>40964956
>>40964974
>samefagging

>>40964983
Seems like theres a lot of that happening in this thread but op is too dumb to realize hes being trolled this hard

>>40965056
Nah he's trolling too. There's cunts on /x/ who will take both sides of any issue just for the sake of shitposting.

Let's simplify it:
>for a subject, either LOA manifestion works, or it does not.
>if it does work, it is because the subject did it correctly (across all variables, including time, intensity, work he put in like making changes or shifts in thinking, habits)
>if it does not work, it is either because the subject did it incorrectly, or because LOA is not effective
>many have shared their positive experiences and manifested outcomes, so that suggests LOA does work if done correctly
>however, a third possibility is that someone is so weighed down by various issues in his life, bad luck, bad family, bad health, that LOA cannot work for him because he is doesn't have the time/energy/foundation/money/focus to make it work
>since LOA is not some "exact technical science" with steps or procedures to follow, all you have is tons of reading material and various methods gleaned from that body of text, plus your mind. that's it. at the end of the day, each of us just has his mind. and if that mind is cluttered or distracted or drained, it won't have the clarity or energy to manifest. thus, the complaint about having rich parents is a valid one. having rich parents who can at least take care of themselves is a huge foundational springboard upon which to launch yourself. but even if you were born into a rich family, but mentally or physically crippled, you won't be able to manifest a solution to that disability.

personally for me, i've had mixed results. when i free myself from my parents, when i don't think about them and just focus on getting what i want, then opportunities have opened up for me. but when i'm constantly frustrated and distracted by parental care concerns, nothing good happens, i can't even set aside an hour of clearly thinking, visualizing, etc.

>>40965261
lastly, there are some extreme stories where people manifested just getting gifted some money, or finding money, when they needed it. so perhaps that is the type of manifestation OP needs, just using his mind to visualize a quick fix or jackpot win. other than that, i don't know how else he could totally shift his life through small changes by improving his mindset and gratitude. what i understand is that those are the two main types of LOA working (lumpsum gain with no effort other than visualizing it, feeling it as done, versus gradual mindset shifts using positivity and believing that everything will work out as long as i don't rope up).

a little anecdote: when i gamble and stress out about winning, i don't win. but when i'm relaxed, and play just to have fun, without stressing out about every win or loss, i actually win. it's weird but that's basically been what has happened for the past 20 years. i'm still at a net loss of course because that "relaxed" state is hard for me to get into. it all sounds easy in writing and in stories but actually kind of tricky.

>>40950922
Something about this seems a little off. I write code for a living and it sounds like what you're getting at is akin to me writing a program to do X, which is essentially DNA and then me getting mad at the program because it does X in Y way. The computer has no choice in how it reacts to stimulus, it is encoded into it, by me. Now it's cool to say that you can program parts of yourself blah blah but I disagree. You're a slave to your biological code and you can only make choices within the bounds of that programming the same way a computer can only perform tasks in the way I allow it to. A manic depressive cannot choose when and where the next episode comes from similarly you are unable to force your unconscious to react in certain ways. Like it or not a large part of you has been forced upon you and last I checked you had no conscious choice in what was encoded in your DNA.

>>40957165
This world is a horrendous place. It is made by and evil God for an evil God. The currency of which you purchase things in life is the blood and suffering of others (this is the core tenant of Christianity, you buy eternal pleasure with the blood of the innocent). If you want to have a good time and do well on this planet you have to sign up to some retarded delusions, which you can never question which is be prepared to stop on the hopes, dreams and possibly lives of others to benefit yourself and the act of benefiting yourself at the cost other others is good. The Jews recognized that life is zero sum millennia ago and it's why they sit on top of the pile. They harvest the life force (slavery, wage slavery, ursury etc etc) for the benefit of their own and then they justify it through this being the "perfect order of a loving God" and point to examples of their own flourishing so they can wipe their conscious clean of any and all evil acts. If you want to get by in life morality has to be first thing you throw out the window and you must delude yourself, somehow, into thinking these immoral actions are moral and that the beauty they bring is the will of God even though it's the result of suffering and blood. Once you know good and evil I don't know if there is any going back.

>>40950464
>we're going to
You won't do shit. You're a whiny little bitch incapable of anything else except whining.

>>40946174 (OP)
So you believe
-some people are born to a great life and some people are born to a shit life
-if it's shit you can't change it to be better

Cool. So why tell us all this? Your belief excludes any other possibility. Just deal with your shit life then

>How do we respond to privileged idiots who pretend like life is just "what you make it", when most people are dealing with problems completely outside of their own control which they were born into?

We? There's no "we" here, only (YOU). There's nothing for (YOU) to respond with. They believe one thing and you believe another thing. If you truly believe your own beliefs then live with it.

>>40965289
>a little anecdote: when i gamble and stress out about winning, i don't win. but when i'm relaxed, and play just to have fun, without stressing out about every win or loss, i actually win. it's weird but that's basically been what has happened for the past 20 years. i'm still at a net loss of course because that "relaxed" state is hard for me to get into. it all sounds easy in writing and in stories but actually kind of tricky.

I have had similar experiences. It seems as soon as I give up wanting something it very often manifests very quickly thereafter.

>>40964976
>he can’t decide what he believes
>>40966108
>So you believe
kys this is obnoxious the way you try to pigeon hole anons into believing one thing or another instead of just discussing ideas here. Stop making so many assumptions and struggling so hard to create insults and feelings of superiority. What a faggot.

>>40966926
>kys this is obnoxious the way you try to pigeon hole anons into believing one thing or another
What's obnoxious is your lying that there is pigeonholing. You believe that X is the way? Cool. So go live your X. No one is telling you to believe in Y way or Z way or whatever way.

>instead of just discussing ideas here
There is nothing to discuss. If you believe nothing can be done then all that's left to do is to live with that belief.

How often do you exercise? The best way to manage the symptoms from reading and experience is to exercise as often as possible. I personally swim cause you have a toilet nearby. If you sit a lot then this will probably help you a lot. Good luck fren also try nofap, i know it sounds stupid but my ibs was always worse when cooming. I think your body is not as focused on digestion when in a sexual state.

>>40946174 (OP)
You suffer because you identify with the titles you create and ruminate upon. You should be smiling when you cough up blood because you were blessed with the opportunity to feel at all. Stop letting your faggotry impede on your opportunity to enjoy experience.

>>40968245
2/2 I kinda relate to you actually i had same problem with ibs, also had a surgery and couldnt sit for a year with a chronic condition that didnt go away untill i tried other stuff and new diets. And i also tried LOA for 4-5 years with no success, it obviously doesn't work as they say. But still there is something to thoughts having some impact on reality but not like people say. From all the LOA stuff the pendulum concept from reality transurfing makes the most sense, basically everything is trying to take your energy(loosh) and feed off you. Best way to fight it is being indifferent.
Good luck fren, i also was as frustrated as you when people talk about loa magic and we dont really know whats going on. All you can do is focus on what works.