Thread 281669935

>get run over by the truck
>instead of reincarnation I’m burning in a lake of fire
Dude this isekai sucks ass. No harem, no magic, just damnation

Sounds like my kind of isekai

>>281669935 (OP)
you were supposed to do something good right before you got hit by the truck, anon
you know, that one single thing that cancels out all the bad karma before that

>>281669935 (OP)
I can't believe no one had ever though of this yet.
Are Christian Nips nonexistent in Japan?

>>281671957
christianity is a tool of convenience for them

>>281671957
The shogun was wise enough to get rid of them,luckily.

>>281669935 (OP)
Re:zero season 1 was pretty much hell

>>281669935 (OP)
Getting to hell or heaven is an isekai too.

>>281673334
No, it's not "another world".
It's just the upper floor and the basement, except it is MUCH bigger than the ground floor, and everyone there knows what is going on here

One can argue that Earth is the isekai - the quarantine zone

>>281673639
You don't know what isekai is. Maybe it is like you go into instance in videogame or change the channel so what makes it different from heaven or hell? If you assume heaven or hell is upper floor or basement Isekai is the next room, in no Isekai it is never specified. Isekai is literally another world you have no normal aka scientific means to go in or out of.

>>281673792
New experience doesn't make it new.

Heaven and hell predated the Earth. In fact, Heaven was our home, and we are just being made to decide whether we want to return home or ride with o'le Luci in his Candy Van

>>281669935 (OP)
Dunno, hell seems relatively chill...
I guess you should have sinned more to get into hell instead of purgatory.

>>281669935 (OP)
There is not enough hell isekai with sexy demon girls in them.

>>281674320
t.

How does one cultivate in hell?

>>281669935 (OP)
10 second isekai idea:
>NEET who is 101% addicted to gaming begins facing the consequences of his actions
>his family kicks him out, he's ostracized and he loses everything
>forced to see reality, he witnesses how he hurt his family, his friends and even a girl he could've gotten together with
>he curses everything, begins resenting games and seeing them as a corrupting force which brought him to ruin
>as the rain falls, he looks up to the sky, weeping
>"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!"
>lightning strikes, it startles him
>he steps back, accidentally throwing himself over the railing to the road below
>badly hurt, the last thing he sees are a truck's headlights
>he goes to hell, is overcome with despair and accepts his punishment
>but, when demons come to bully him
>he discovers hell functions based off video game mechanics he's all too familiar with
>enraged for being reminded of his ruination, he goes on a rampage, effortlessly defeating foes with his pro gamer skills
>resents his power, but is forced to use it as he discovers people in hell who he believes should not be there (read: the girls that will attract people to the story)

Potential characters:
>a bro character that overcomes his sins and is reincarnated by sacrificing himself, showing the cast the path forward
>a succubus who joins the cast because she wants to escape hell, finding it too lacking in virgins and innocent souls

>>281674592
No second chances, mate
Take your life seriously. It's all you will ever have

>>281674414
>>281674592
>something something better be a king in hell than a servant in heaven

>>281674887
That's from Paradise Lost
Lucifer said that as a cope *after he got kicked out.

That was a literal cope as if that's true, he wouldn't rebel from the start, and just leave on his own. Also, he was ass hurt about it that he caused the fall of man because suffering wanted some company

>>281674963
The entire cosmology of Paradise Lost sounds like Hell if you're not a worshipper. What's the use of free will if anything hesides God's way leads to suffering?

>>281674747
you're right
i'll get on it right after gooning to that 25gb vore hentai pack i downloaded yesterday.....aaaaand now i just want to crash out on my couch

>>281669935 (OP)
me on the left

>>281675102
God is eternally good, mate
Everything he does is for everyone's sake,
The question is why you would disobey

>>281674436
demonic cultivation?

>>281675438
Why give free will at all then? What's the point of choosing your own path of only one is correct?

>>281671957
There's several manga adaptations of Inferno.

>>281676144
I repeat: the question is why you would disobey.

As you said, there is only one correct path.
You can see that it is correct
You can see that it produces nothing but good

So why the fuck would you willingly choose the path that you know is wrong

>>281676144
I like the part about Eve falling for temptation because it cleverly cuts out the "free will" defense here. In that part you can't say that Eve was just exercising her free will to eat the fruit, because she didn't intend to do it herself, she could only choose if she
1. Obeys God, her superior in the hierarchy of natural order
2. Obeys the Snake, her inferior in the hierarchy of natural order
Now you might argue that "wait a minute, this is clearly a choice and thus a way to express her own free will!" but if you actually think about it, it's not really a choice based on her free will, but rather whether she exercises the power and agency she had been given according to the rules set by God, or just give that up and lower herself to be inferior to even the Snake in the hierarchy now. So if God's rules and system are like a cage to you, you go with locking yourself up in an even smaller cage purely out of instigation of the Snake, not even out of your own intent.
It's like you are a middle manager in a company and some part-time worker subordinate comes up to you and whispers that it'd be a great idea if you just looked at the classified files about the next product line of your company that you have nominally access to, but are only allowed to use under strict permission to do so. You end up doing that. And then based on further instigation of the subordinate, relentlessly convince your fellow middle-manager to do the same despite knowing that all access is being logged.
That's not free-will, that's just replacing one kind of obedience with an EVEN LOWER form of obedience. Also it's utterly retarded.

>>281676896
That's the lie from the devil
"Order is tyranny, Disorder is Freedom"

That's the lie that Satan whispered and resulted in the same backstory in Ugly Dolls, Lego Movie, and Hazbin Hotel
In fact, that existed as early as Prometheus.

"The guy who ruined disorder was trying to grant order and progress"

God does not demand "blind obedience"
He wants you to obey him because he is right and he wants you to be humble and recognize that you are wrong.
He granted you logic and reason precisely so you would understand him
You are allowed to ask any question. Nothing is off the table

What you are not allowed to do is deny the Truth.
If you know that it is the truth, why would you choose to speak lies?

This is point of the Fruit in the Garden
Adam and Eve were perfect beings because they were in full submission to God's will. They recognize that he is always right and they have absolute faith in his grace. They were perfect, they were good.

The moment they disobeyed is the moment they learned what it means to be bad.

>>281677081
>The guy who ruined disorder was trying to grant order and progress"
My bad, I meant "The guy who ruined order was trying to grant freedom and progress."

>>281676335
My question is:why the fuck even give us the choice to begin with?

>>281676896
The weird part (another) is that she chose to do it, then everyone else's cursed too. If me, who's no part of that, thinks that Eden place sounds hype, and decide to go there, I can't do that, place's closed. Due to the choice of somebody else. Going by the premise, I heard the manager is good, he should allow it? huh?
It's all stuff for schizos. If you want to go on a trip and say "bro...woah.." there's plenty of material for you to go "woah..." You -want- to go on a trip so you go with all those crazy premises.

>>281677531
Because you inherited her sin by being a descendant of her.

>>281677556
>this makes sense to the schizo, as in, he unironically said that right now
I rest my case.

>>281677531
>>281677556
In theory, after christening, the "inheritance-sin" should be absolved, so Christians should under the law of God correspondingly be allowed to access the garden Eden again if it's still around. It's probably no longer there though, or at least none of the trees carrying the super-fruits that grant wisdom or immortality.

>>281674592
How about a double isekai?
>NEET dies via truck-kun and reincarnates in fantasy magic land with a gift of ice magic affinity
>NEET gets fucking wrecked by everyone because the entire world is based around fire magic and they rape him
>gets killed by fire goblins
>wakes up in hell
>now his ice magic is useful, fucking wrecks the many layers of dante's inferno-esque demon enemies
>reaches the devil himself, they become pals and decide to use his ice magic as an additional form of torture for the fire magicians who fucked him over in his previous life
"I retired in Hell as the Devil's Right Hand Man" or something

>>281677556
Sounds very jewish.

>>281677556
It’s less you inherited sin and more you inherit the inclination towards it I think.

>>281677492
A choice whether you wanted to be in heaven (common sense) or hell (retards)

>>281677492
God clearly values choice highly. Even the angels were given a choice to follow or a choice to reject.

>>281679503
>>281679418
>>281677644
>>281677776
Brother, guy is correct
Death comes from Inherited sin.

Like it or not, but God made us in such a way that whatever a person does also affects the other.
Yes, it is unfair that a child would be born retarded just because his mom did drugs while on labor
But it is also unfair that you can return back to heaven just because one guy made the price for you.

You do not get to complain about Inherited Sin if you will not acknowledge the unfairness of Inherited Grace.

The Original sin doomed Adam's descendants, just as AIDs dooms every child born from a harlot's womb

For those wondering OP is Simon Salva, he is some /his/ spammer who daily posts this sort of shitty threads there, he is like this because he admitted his parents physically abused him and he thinks this made him good or something, also he is into tron femboys, for some reason, well, we know the reason, anyway, here is some anime pic to keep it /a/ related.

>>281671957
The writer of Hellsing is a Christian. Unfortunately a Prot, but I'll take what I can get.

>>281677081
>Adam and Eve were perfect beings because they were in full submission to God's will.
Were they? It seems to me they were merely good in the garden, with a touch of neutrality that allowed them the freedom to choose other than God. It’s only with a human’s final choice at death to follow Christ or reject him that we are turned perfect (where there is no more moral neutrality in one’s heart, rather just pure good). If one is perfect they cannot sin.
The angels were probably given a similar choice at some point. Otherwise, if even a perfect being can make the choice to reject God, it is therefore 100% certain that over an infinite timescale they eventually will make said choice, meaning all humans and angels will eventually end up in hell. So it seems humans and angels were made good and then choose to either become evil or transcend even their moral neutrality and become perfect (for humans this is Christ, for angels we really have no idea how it worked for them, only that it happened before the material universe even existed)

>>281669935 (OP)
>Get run over by a truck
>Get transported to a fantasy world with waifus and shit.
>But you are paralyzed from the neck down.
>No magic healing or anything, you spend the rest of your new life in a bed hearing how cool the world.

>>281679581
I still don’t think we inherited the guilt from his sin. I absolutely agree we inherit his corrupted human nature, but that is not actual guilt. Our guilt comes from the myriad sins we commit with that nature.
Otherwise, how could Christ have been perfect and sinless even while possessing human nature? He would have been born guilty if that’s how it works. But instead that’s not what happened, and we know that he felt temptation but nonetheless rejected sin every moment of his life
> For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

>>281679647
You don't have to experience drug addiction to know that it is bad, you know

Adam and Eve are good because they already know that something is bad and chooses to avoid it

Evil happens when it is done with a full conscience.
I mean, you know it is bad.
You know that it will lead to bad results
But you did it anyway.

That is what Sin is - the awareness.
The knowledge of the Truth comes with the responsibility to live by it

>>281669935 (OP)
imagine a 10 episode isekai anime about this.
it's just 10 20-minute episodes of some guy screaming in various different ways as he burns in hell for eternity.

>>281674592
Literally Disgaea

>>281679830
We have many Hell NDE's
Each one is different and proclaims many many different tortures that happened to every person ever

One case was a woman who claims to have seen Tupac in Hell.
Jesus took her to his cell where he was there, burning but the flames are coming from the inside.
Jesus told her that "this man said he does not need me" and instead collected various talismans as he got richer and richer
The devils then took him out, torture him, brought him to the cell, and he exploded then he recovered instantly.
This repeats over and over

Another case was a man who claims that she saw Kobe in "Hell"
He saw how he lived his life looking like a Christian, never missing a mass. But in his heart, basketball was his god. The ball was everything to him, he prioritized it even more than his own family.
His punishment was he was locked in a basketball gym without any lights
He never saw Kobe but he can feel that he is there. All alone, with nothing, not even lights.
Just him and the ball.
He felt his despair and how he was "sad as a mug"

There are many Fake NDEs of course but I choose to believe a few because I watched their interview and I am convinced by the way they act and speak. They even confessed what brought them there in the first place.
The first girl I mentioned gave her own personal email and cell number because "this is my purpose. I don't care if you dox me"

>>281680338
I don't buy any NDE despite being Christian honestly. I'm sure there are real ones, but there's also got to be a quadrillion fake ones for every real. What purpose could God possibly have for showing someone the eternal punishment of some random basketball player?
They're especially suspect when you consider the myriad verses that can be seen to support annihilationism (arguably more support that than the eternal suffering interpretation)

>>281679514
Heaven only makes sense as an ideal paradise if it's personalized like Hell is.
Otherwise having to worship some dude for eternity is not my idea of salvation.

>>281669935 (OP)
> guy dies and goes to hell
> surrounded by the spirits of the damned, to be tortured for all of eternity
> "Wow, this isekai is one of the GRIMDARK ones."
> "Still conventional setup though, honestly. Time to get a group of friends together to go fight the demon king."
> The entire gimmick of the show is that this is literally hell and there is no hope here, except the MC is too fucking convinced that this is the start of his isekai power fantasy to ever believe that he can't eventually win
> Ends up starting a revolution in Hell despise having literally no special powers or anything, he's just crazy

>>281680431
Because Judgement day is coming and he want everyone to be ready

He is unleashing every evidence as he could at a time when everyone is super connected to each other

Shroud of Turin was confirmed
Eucharistic Miracles are confirmed
Our Lady of Good Success' Prophecy is happening
And NDE studies are now being unleashed to the masses

By doing this, there shall be no excuses
"If you were blind, you would have no sin, but now you say, 'We see,' so your sin remains"

>>281680636
There is no personalized heaven as there is no such thing as subjective Truth.
Truth is objective.
Truth is infinite. It remains true regardless of when, where, and how it was measured

Heaven is not a land of pleasure
It is God's home. If you do not want to be with God, you do not want to be in heaven

Those who choose to be with God find that even the most painful of tragedies are nothing. You find no greater peace than those who accept the Lord in their lowest moments

>>281680636
Heaven is said to have music, feasts, and sights that are perfect and beautiful beyond measure. You will be given a new and improved body, and access to all the knowledge of Heaven. It's said to have things and pleasures literally inconceivable to humans on earth. It's way, way more than just sitting in a circle and worshiping like some liars (who don't read their Bible) tell you.
>>281680824
>There is no personalized heaven as there is no such thing as subjective Truth.
Christ has prepared a place and things specifically for every one of his followers. God absolutely does personalize some things.
>Heaven is not a land of pleasure
It's more than just pleasure, but it is undeniably filled with infinitely more joy and pleasure than Earth.

It should be noted that humanity doesn't even spend eternity in heaven, but on the New Earth with Christ instead. But the New Earth will be just as joyful and peaceful

>>281671957
Barely.

>>281681053
>Heaven is said to have music, feasts, and sights that are perfect and beautiful beyond measure. You will be given a new and improved body, and access to all the knowledge of Heaven. It's said to have things and pleasures literally inconceivable to humans on earth.
That does sound pretty cool, actually. I'd absolutely choose Heaven over Hell if more people used that as the selling point.

>>281680666
Seems the devil agrees with this one, going by your digits.

>>281681131
Unfortunately even most Christians have let their understanding on heaven be warped. Most of them just think it's a fancy place in the clouds, a la Family Guy
>However, as it is written:
>“What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” — the things God has prepared for those who love him—
1 Corinthians 2 9
>>281681119
The New Earth IS heaven btw

>>281669935 (OP)
>I got hit by a truck but instead of being resurrected into a fantasy world now I have to deal with billions of ugly religious people who can't speak my language all the time?!

>>281681053
Heaven is not "pleasure"
Pleasure is subjective
Heaven is where God is and God is "where all good comes from"

There are no 72 virgins waiting on the other side. Heaven is not a brothel.
It is just where God's love is bursting
Everyone likes being under God's love

But not everyone wanted to return that love. Those people reject heaven

>>281669935 (OP)
How are they keeping their hands outstretched when they don't have muscles?

>>281671957
I mean, there was this one.

>>281671957
The guy that created Ultraman was a Catholic convert.

>>281681329
>Heaven is not "pleasure"
It absolutely has them, though. In great quantity
>You reveal the path of life to me; in Your presence there is fullness of joy; in Your right hand are pleasures forevermore
Psalm 16:11

>>281681424
Great quantity, *in him. Not "in heaven". Him
God is the Heaven.

If you don't want God, you want Heaven

>>281681474
You're very pedantic about this. God wants those who choose him to be happy. He gives them nice things because that helps make them happy. We're not disagreeing here.

>>281674436
meditate in the lakes of fire until you obtain the fiery internal chi cultivation moethod

>>281674436
Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentation of their women

>>281681522
This is not being pedantic.

This is me reminding you that joy does not come from created things.
It comes from God.
Things are good only because it has some traces of God's love. But it is not God, and therefore should not be in charge of our lives

Imagine a world where you are under the sun
Imagine that on your feet are shiny glass and flashlights
You are designed to follow the light.

Thus, follow the light, not the reflections and imitations

And yes, I would fight you tooth and nail over this small difference because lack of vigilance leads to idolatry. Always remember to seek the source of all that is good

>>281681522
>>281681693
>>>/pol/

Can I be forgiven for enjoying pornographic images of Luce?

>>281681772
Yes, if you repent

>>281681835
H-how do I do that?

>>281681772
the bible has surprisingly little mention about masturbation, the story(Onan in genesis) often used has more of moral about pulling out and not doing a duty given to him by god. he was supposed to impregnate the woman. Masturbation's bad because it's hurting you, but it's such a minor issue you can easily be forgiven.

>>281681911
Ask for forgiveness and try not to do it again.

>>281674062
nta but I think you’re missing the point. it doesn’t matter if the new place you’ve arrived at has always existed, if you are thrust into a new environment after dying, that can be construed as isekai

>>281681693
>Yes Daddy Demiurge, please take my eternal soul
>Thanks to your book of arbitrary rules and conditions I know you're the ultimate force of good!
>All of those evil acts you did in the Bible are actually just divine right!
>Please take my eternal soul mister Demiurge!
Bible thumpers truly blow me away. They're like communists, both camps are completely in the belief that once their imagined reality comes to Earth they're going to be one of the ones on top. Even though if you read the Bible, first off God is a jealous little sycophant, but secondly it basically tells you you're a slave. Like you can tell Christians don't read the Bible, because if you actually read the Bible you can tell that the throne of heaven has long since been abandoned by the creator, and whatever is sitting on it does not fucking care about us. Like why the fuck are you worshipping a deity that is outwardly evil disguised as good.

Still less annoying than that native isekai fucker.

>>281682023
What is a woman

>>281682044
Bags of sand.

>>281682126
ex dee
This is your fault, bitch
Atheism leads to madness

>>281681911
I'll try to get across the basis of christianity.
God is a perfect/omni good being, his only limit is creating another perfect being that doesn't act in accord with him, he'd simply be adding more infinities.
he wants to live with people though, to this end he makes imperfect beings to have free will, sin is the flaws. However it'd be evil to put people in a world of suffering with no out, thus he grants an out, a moral code and forgiveness for sins when this life is over.
all you have to do is accept christ (him on earth), follow the golden rule, ask for forgiveness, and attempt to not sin (But he'll forgive anything short of repeated rejection of him after witnessing miracles and suicide after knowing about him)
God cares about the spirit of the rules, not so much the letter.

>>281682149
... Wait really you're actually a tourist? Salty coins.

>>281682156
What if I'm going to be horribly tortured or otherwise encounter inescapable, excruciating pain? Can I still not kill myself?

>>281682156
How much of suicide is intent? If I just drink myself into a stupor and drive my car really fast does that count?

>>281682156
>>281682195
There's no evidence that suicide in a repentant person is unforgivable. God is merciful, and Earthly suffering can be incredible. He does not condone suicide, but just as he can and has forgiven murderers who follow him, so can he forgive those who commit suicide

>>281682195
no, the
>perfect/omni good being
has decided that you have to take it for as long as you survive, potentially years or decades, and if you decide to end it early you will be tortured for eternity instead.

meanwhile the people who tortured you just have to say they're sorry before dying of natural causes and they can easily get into heaven

>>281682195
I personally believe it'd be more of a mercy kill at some point, but martyrs that go through with it tend to be better off.
>>281682207
you've only sinned as far as self destructive tendencies, which all sins are, short term pleasure at the expense of long term prosperity.

>>281682215
>There's no evidence
bro you don't want to go down that path

>>281682236
Yes I do because I'm tired of this falsehood. The Bible never calls out suicide as an unforgivable sin. Imagine someone that was Godly their entire life, then imagine their house burned down, their entire family died in some accident, and they got a terminal illness that brought them such incredible pain that they throw up from the agony multiple times a day. They are overwhelmed and kill themselves. Do you really see God damning them to hell? No, he wouldn't.

>>281682126
Bitches and whores

>>281682195
Like a great pastor once said "It's not suicide if you're already dead."

>>281682262
Based actual Bible reader

>>281682262
God seems pretty determined about fucking that one guy over in life so I wouldn't put it past him in death.

>>281669935 (OP)
This but instead of fire it's a horde of racist furry fox girls

>>281682287
What great pastor was that?

>>281671957
Why Christianity? Buddhism also has hells and Japanese authors would be familiar with that. In fact, most religions I can think of do.

>>281682379
Reverend Jacob Fuller.
God bless him.

>>281671957
Hell is pretty much a buddhist concept as it's popularly imagined. Christian theology on the topic is pretty different, but buddhists really do believe if you're bad you get isekai'd to hell where demons torture you.

>>281669935 (OP)
>ITT: unimaginative stupid Christians try to proselytize their faith despite not making anything good with it
If your faith was remotely good, then you would stay in your church instead of trying to make everyone else just as bland as you are.

You have the audacity to whine about people being non-Christian when non-Christians create most of the shit that you like in the first place. If it weren't for them, then you would be watching boring Veggietale reruns.

>>281671957
Japanese Christians are Mormon tier

>>281681053
>Heaven is said to have music, feasts, and sights that are perfect and beautiful beyond measure.
The bible never said any of that, it is just copium that you made up to justify living a boring dull life.

>>281682538
I am not Christian nor have I actually watch it but I've heard Veggie Tales is good and this is the first time I've heard anyone say anything bad about it.

>>281682044
>>281682149
Typical that a lot of you zoomers treat Christianity as an anti-onanist hate cult for hating muslims and gays lol

You don't do valuable stuff like charity or helping out refugees, you're just meanspirited fascists who act disingenuous 24/7. Hell is being stuck with you stupid assholes for an enternity.

>>281682589
Get behind me, Satan.
“Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God”
Music is depicted many times in revelation.
And then, of course
"However, as it is written:
'What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived' — the things God has prepared for those who love him—"
"Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later."
Heaven and the New Earth will be literally inconceivably amazing. No human being to ever live will be able to imagine it's glory, splendor, and joy.

>>281682417
Christian hell is permanent, and the demons are actually malicious
Every other belief depicts demons as just employees and hell as temporary.

Christian demons are there because it is their prison, and you are their bitch

>>281682648
20% of hospitals in the USA are Church funded
40% of shelters in the USA are Church funded
95% of food canteens in the USA are Church funded

What have atheists built? None
Ya'll just a bunch of spoiled brats

>>281682661
There's no evidence demons in hell have any power over those there. It more stands to reason they will be the lowest beings there given the most harsh and severe punishments

>>281682661
>hell as temporary.
Depends In Buddhism it's temporary as a general rule but there are parts of hell you don't get out depending on the denomination.

>>281681349
Had a couple of faps to this one. Yes, including to THAT scene. Pretty forgettable otherwise. They could do better.

>>281682594
It's great, and it is based that the creator isn't a hateful right-winger like the Christians ITT are. However, not every show should be like it. It would lose its value if it did.

There's an appeal for people to sincerely express themselves, and it enrages me that selfish Christian supremacists to remove that. Everything good about the world comes from non-Christian people because those people want to better themselves and the world instead of leaving it like shit to seek heaven.

>>281682682
You kidding? The Bible tells you outright that
1. Satan walks the Earth
2. Satan's control over demons is organized
3. You are being given the option to choose your "master"
4. You are told about what each master offers. Worship the world and the world treats you as its own. Worship Jesus and it shall turn against you

>>281682661
>Christian hell is permanent, and the demons are actually malicious
Demons in the bible are just evil spirits for the most part, and Satan rules the Earth. No such a thing as demons in hell until they're thrown into the fire during the Apocalypse. The popular idea of hell as a place where demons torture people according to their misdeeds is more like hell is depicted in Asian religions like Hinduism or Buddhism than it is anything like the Christian version where it's just being away from God. The king of hell people think of Satan as is closer to Yama.

>hell as temporary.
The temporary in Buddhism is like millions of kalpas. When a kalpa is something like 4 billion years.

>>281681349
This one for example if I remember correctly had reincarnation, looked more like Asian hell to me.

>>281682661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oNU__KRqk
>>281682682
Yeah, makes zero sense they'll torture you when they're being punished as well. In real life prisons, it happens during downtime when the guards aren't paying attention or don't care. But we're talking about hell with a capital H here, it's gonna be nothing but torture all the time.

>>281682672
How much of that have you personally been involved with? None of it? Oh man look at that, anons point still stands.

>Buhwuhwuh I have totally...
Pics or it didn't happen. I'm the King of England, rightful heir to the throne and God emperor of mankind. Doesn't make it true because I typed it, just like the Bible doesn't mean you're being watched by Super Santa all the time.

>>281682682
Also, the demons are not in the "Lake of Fire" yet.
The humans will fall there first

>>281682751
>Demons in the bible are just evil spirits for the most part,
It is not a "just"
Christian demons are not evil for the sake of being evil

They are evil because they have seen the Truth, and they hated it

>>281682658
in other words, shit that you made up. typical of you to accuse others of being heckin demonic when you're a lying illiterate who can't read your own text properly
>>281682672
Christians like you cut USAID and cancer research from universities. You don't help others, you dupe others into blindly trusting you only to reject them afterwards.

>>281682755
>But how does this affect you PeRsOnAlLy
Eat shit

No atheist in the real world

>>281682774
>cut USAID and cancer research from universities
YES!
And that's a good thing
Fuck you leeches

No handouts for people who don't want to face God

>>281682745
None of that describes the conditions in hell. Why would God reward Satan by making him the petty deity of his own little realm? Satan's punishment should be worst of all. He shouldn't have any time whatsoever to be ruling
>>281682759
Nobody is in the Lake just yet. People are in Sheol/Hades, but the true and final Hell (which may actually just destroy souls rather than eternally torture them, depending on how literally or metaphorically you take some verses) will be used at the end of time. This place is so terrible it kills Death itself, whatever that looks like.
>Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

>>281682772
I mean that they're not dudes with horns that live in hell.

>>281682661
That's Dante's Inferno coloring your perception, most likely. The biblical Hell is actually rather inconsistent and murky, and it's not at all clear that all the passages describing something akin to Hell are even talking about the same place or that they have remotely the same function. Is the OT She'ol the same as the NT Gehenna? What about Tartarus? Hades? The Lake of Fire? In She'ol (Hades in the Septuagint) you just go to some sort of dreary shadow realm where everyone is ghosts or whatever, in Gehenna and possibly the Lake of Fire you get sent there just to burn the fuck up but otherwise get destroyed, and in Tartarus and the Lake of Fire it does appear you're there for eternal conscious torment, but those last two seem to be for Satan and his demons, including the beast and false prophet (which some identify as the Antichrist, but that's another can of worms). There's also that one bit about Lazarus and the rich man, which seems to describe a place of eternal darkness and torment separated from Heaven by a chasm, but it's somewhat vague, and it's a parable in any case.

Whatever the case, the common belief that Hell is where Satan and his demons currently reside and they are the ones torturing sinners is a wholly post-biblical invention of the middle ages.

>>281682774
I pulled those verses straight from the Bible.
Mark 14:25 for the first, 1 Corinthians 2:9 for the second, Romans 8:18 for the third. There are several verses for music in revelation I could pull out if need be

>>281682745
>rejected by the world
What Christians mean by this is them being banned from discord servers for sending wojaks of transgenders killing themselves instead of helping out others charities btw.

Every Christian is an disingenuous antisocial freak who pretends that they've stubbed their toes after being flagrantly abrasive to everyone else. They always claim that demons are irrationally attacking them just because they have to follow the golden rule lmao

>>281682818
you think the post-biblical writers got inspired by naraka/jigoku from any passing far eastern merchants? wonder where they could have picked up on demons torturing sinners otherwise, unless it's just one of those fun ideas someone would stumble upon sooner or later

>>281682838
Making fun of transgenders is saving them
They are there because it is trendy.
Make it untrendy

>>281682838
>What Christians mean by this is them being banned from discord servers for sending wojaks of transgenders killing themselves instead of helping out others charities btw.
/pol/ freak "Christians" who use their religion as nothing more than a tool to attack others (even when it doesn't make sense, like them pretending Christianity supports their racial superiority complex) aren't truly Christian at all. There's a reason they spend all their time posting online rather than IRL - they're kicked out of whatever churches they try to infest.

>>281682808
>No handouts for people I don't like!
I miss when edgelords didn't try to larp as good guys.

>>281682869
This isn't me supporting transexuality, btw; but I don't think trans basedjak gore is a very Godly way to address it

>>281682844
More likely it's a pre-christian belief (possibly sharing an origin with buddhist beliefs) that got a christian veneer. Classical mythology is full of imaginative torments for sinners in the underworld.

>>281682844
NTA but I think Zoroastrianism had something similar. Wouldn't surprise me if it were a Central Asian concept that spread both west and east.

>>281682829
None of these verses say anything about having the best music, art, anime, and videogames being in heaven. The Koran definitely has shit like that, but not the Bible. It's just copium that you made up for your anti-masturbation hate cult being boring.

>>281682808
There's no hate like Christian "love", any "favor" that you do for others is purely conditional because all of you are selfish assholes who like controlling people.

>>281682883
>basedjak
Basedjak!??!?!? What happened to Onions?

>>281682881
CORRECT!
Those who do not respect the Law also do not deserve its protection

Do not covet the glory of charity if you will not face the sacrifice of humility

>>281682896
It is NOT love to raise a spoiled brat

You are the reason we got in this mess

No mercy for the unrepentant. FUCK YOU

>>281682896
>anime, and videogames
Didn't say anything about those, did I?
>music, art
Heaven is perfect beyond comprehension. If something exists both on Earth and in Heaven then the Heavenly version is infinitely superior. Even just practically because a Heavenly artist is going to have a superior body and mind and eternity to practice rather than mere decades.
And even if none of those things existed, the Bible acknowledges that Heaven will have things so amazing that no human being to ever live has ever been able to conceive it. It's going to have novel concepts and things unimaginably superior to any music, art, anime, videogame, food, act of sexual pleasure, whatever, even if those things don't exist there.

>>281682844
Well, the idea of infernal torture via all manner of methods does appear in a few early apocryphal texts. Most famously, there's the Apocalypse of Peter, written sometime in the 2nd century, which describes sinners getting punished in all sorts of fucked up ways depending on their sins, though this is overseen by actual angels rather than demons. This one actually very nearly made it into the New Testament, though even though it ended up getting rejected eventually, it still heavily influenced subsequent texts about what Heaven and Hell would be like throughout the centuries, including Dante's Divine Comedy.

>>281682262
>Do you really see God damning them to hell?
that's what your holy men say he does. nobody has seen him.

>>281682927
>No mercy for the unrepentant. FUCK YOU
This is not Godly behaviour.
Colossians 3:8 (NKJV) “But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.”
Matthew 5:44 (KJ21) "But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you,"

>>281680431
>>281680338

Actual NDE believer responding: about 1.7 million people in America alone experience a medically observed 'NDE' every year where they're dead for a few minutes, get resuscitated, and the hospital records their account. I don't trust any record that wasn't written by a hospital and I don't necessarily trust individual NDE's: I take the bulk of them and judge them on a curve in a kind of "15 million people who've never met, with zero similarities, from different regions/countries/races, can't be collectively lying about the exact same thing."

Hell is always described as a cold, dark, subterranean realm; people aren't brought they're, they fall backward out of their body into Hell. Hell is populated by people who believe they 'deserve' to be there: they're nihilistic, misanthropic, they hate themselves, they hate others, and have completely isolated themselves from other people's emotions. People can leave Hell any time they want, 'God/Heaven' shines like a guiding star in the sky in Hell, and many people describe the arduous journey out of Hell, but most typically don't because the suffering in Hell becomes comfortable to them. It is simply easier to sit in isolation, in the dark, than to face emotional confrontation or some other unknown.

There are no ironic punishments, there's no red devil's in pajamas with pitchforks, Jesus is not giving out 10 cent tours to scare people straight. All that shit is fake. Fake Christian Hell is extremely easy to discern from real accounts because it's fundamentally rooted in pathetic fantasies of revenge.

>>281682859
Yeah, they're being "saved" when you ban them from owning ids or jobs. Fuck off lol

I've seen how you assholes treat "ex-LGBT" too, you temporarily lovebomb them for going against "the woke mob" before treating them like shit for doing it in the first place. You're mediocre people who get their rocks off from selfishly controlling others and it is great you're having a priest shortages.

>>281682950
No. Fuck off
Don't use the scriptures to ignore basic fucking common sense

Anyone, I repeat, ANYONE, including the Devil himself can quote the scriptures

Use your own God-given conscience and spank the child

>>281682984
You should meditate and pray on the state of your faith.

>>281682962
No one's banning them from owning ids or jobs
Maybe come here legally?

>>281682952
>I take the bulk of them and judge them on a curve in a kind of "15 million people who've never met, with zero similarities, from different regions/countries/races, can't be collectively lying about the exact same thing."
let me translate this into English
>I skim some selectively sampled reports from people tripping balls on painkillers, dismiss ones that I don't like and use the rest to arrive at a "consensus" that is already self-reinforcing to begin with because most of the reports were made by people exposed to the belief I want to prove to begin with

If you want to pretend to have empirical evidence, perform a proper statistical study. Otherwise just admit you believe what you want to believe and fuck off.

>>281682990
Eat a dick!
No mercy for the willingly foolish

We got here precisely because of soft-bitches like you who never had callous hands

All atheists are just spoiled brats who never had a real suffering

>>281682927
The only spoiled brats are Christians like you. You're pampered children who have never faced any real adversity in their lives, which why you think that getting banned from discord servers for hate speech while not touching your willy is the greatest trial that you overcame.

guys hear me out
>an isekai where the main villain is the protagonist's siamese twin
i'm drunk btw

>>281683016
No atheist in the real world, bitchass

>>281683009
>>281683059
It's always the twitter-rotted Tradcaths with this behaviour. Always.

>>281683071
Cope and seethe, fucker
You are WORTHLESS

>>281683082
>Cope and seethe, fucker
You seem angrier than me
>You are WORTHLESS
God loves me

>>281682934
The real reason why you romanticize heaven as this great place is because you're antisocial recluses who have unfulfilling lives from judging and treating others like shit.

Even when you have a right-wing Christian status quo that implemented most of the laws that you like, non-Christian spaces are appealing to you because of sincere and expressive they are. That's why you appropriate secular media as Christian instead of not liking Christian media. All of the things that you like couldn't be made with the world that you want to impose onto everyone.

Here's a crazy idea, how about a tournament between gods and famous historical figures with the fate of mankind as the ultimate prize.
And what if some of the top contenders on the human side, Lu fucking Bu and THE Adam, the progenitor of all mankind, lost their fights. And instead some no name jap guy only japs themselves would recognize, won his fight, and so did every other jap fighter proceeding him, coincidentally. And every non jap lost their fights btw. Wouldn't that make for a great story?

>>281682952

Part 2 'cause I also wanted to comment on the nature of God since I'm here posting.

>>281676144
>>281675438

Probably one of the biggest divides between NDE and Christianity is that NDE suggests that God might not actually be sapient. There are absolutely personable, intelligent, talkative, lower-case gods/angels/spirits, but the 'Godhead' itself doesn't seem to be humanoid any kind of way. Imagine if the sun, instead of producing heat, light/radiation, produced thoughts and emotions in other things, that in turn observe reality and in that way the 'sun' is capable of experiencing things.
When people witness the Godhead they experience everything they've ever done to anyone in the way those people experienced it. Some describe it as a state of pristine endless euphoria, others describe it as a pain so excruciating that only the dead can experience it.


>>281682999

I think if you're just going to deliberately misinterpret my statement, so you can make yourself upset, you should just not post.

>>281683096
And do you return his love?

Here's a truth pill for you
Most of the poor DESERVES to be poor. They don't have a basic sense of delayed gratification. They want immediate benefits without the struggle of patience and they are willing to abuse any system that lets them get away with it, even abusing their own child

I seen my mother raise our cousin from the poor family and grant her free education. And what did her mother do to her? force her to skip school so keep on doing chores just so she could do whatever she wanted.
And she forced my mom to give up the child just so she can focus on the fucking chores

They do not need help
They do not want help
They deserve what they got

The ones who actually deserve help will not be found on the street.

If you want to help the poor, force them to know who's in charge and what standards they have to live by

>>281683186
You are so full of hate and twisted ideas. Repent

>>281669935 (OP)
>Get run over by the truck
>You wake up
>Hulkamania is runnin wild after the Hulkster pinned Satan 123

>>281683210
Idiot

>>281682994
>Follow the rules that I change spontaneously on a whim to control people
nah lol, but that's besides the point. Christian conservatives constantly abuse others who don't conform to their beliefs.

They are selfish people who sadistically impoverish, assault, and insult those minorities so that others wouldn't be like them.
>>281683059
Some might be spiritual, but they aren't certainly Christian because of your crowd

>>281683249
This is but just the tip
I was born in the squalor. I spent my childhood with mud and dogshit on my feet because my parents are too poor to give me decent footwear

>>281683186
>>281683246
sorry that vagrants with no familial support and unresolved mental health issues aren't buying a house with the $20 you gave them

it's normal to be frustrated at the lack of progress but get real lol. I say this as a chump who sent a ridiculous amount of money to one, and I had no regrets helping him out

there is nothing inherently wrong with being weak and needing to build in your mind the idea of a form of support in the shape of your god. unfortunately it does not make your god real in a way that actually matters to us. its just another thought that influences your actions. just do what you can to be a good person to your friends and family and others, no need for a god to tell you to do that. if you have failures, come to terms with them and try to overcome them, once again no god needed.

>>281683346
Money is the worst thing you can give to the poor
I would load them onto trucks and force them to farm if I could.

>>281682538
you are delusional

mommy and daddy make you go to church one sunday?

>>281682774
>Everything the US does that is good is atheist!
>Everything the US does that is bad is christian!

>>281682948
Is there any fun resources of the canonization? Like which stories they threw out/picked version 5 over 2?

>>281684125
Sunday Church is the absolute fucking worst way to experience Christianity and the Bible. Unironically give them a history book on the Crusades or have them take a class teaching Paradise Lost or something. Give'em something with swords and battles in it and they'll be hooked.

>>281674963
>>281674887
>>281675102
Yeah lucifer/satan was always a nigger - how tf do you reject perfect good while yourself having perfect knowledge and STILL cope and try to dindu your way back to relevance. Its a nigger mentality.

>>281684229
The canonization process was pretty messy. The first person we know of that listed what he believed to be the New Testament canon as it's recognized today was Athanasius of Alexandria in the middle of the fourth century. Prior to that time, it was rather fluid and varied from place to place and from Christian group to Christian group. Some texts, such as the Gospel of Peter, were held in high regard in some communities for quite a while until certain authorities examined them and found they contained what they considered to be heretical teachings. Other texts, such as the Shepherd of Hermas, were deemed perfectly orthodox and highly useful for teaching Christian doctrine, but were not considered Scripture because they were not deemed to be written by an apostle or someone close to them. Some texts that DID eventually make it into the canon were actually doubted by a number of highly noted Church Fathers, most notably 2 Peter, Jude, James, and even Revelation. Even some of our earliest complete manuscripts of the bible (such as Codex Sinaiticus), containing all the canonical books, also included apocryphal texts like 1 Clement and the Shepherd of Hermas. There was a synod in 390 that affirmed the New Testament canon as we have it, but it was more than anything a slow process of Christian communities slowly coming to a consensus rather than a heavy-handed, top-down "this is what Sacred Scripture is" dictate the way, say, the Trinity was defined in the Council of Nicea and doctrinally enforced thereafter through state power. In fact, the Catholic Church didn't outright outline an official list of canonical books of the Bible until the Council of Trent in 1536, and they only did so in response to the Reformation, since they rejected a number of "deuterocanonical" OT books like Judith and 1 and 2 Maccabees.
There's lots of resources on this, but it's hard to go wrong with Bart Ehrman's bibliography if you want something accessible on current scholarship.

>>281684451
Just as a final note: The history of Christianity is fucking fascinating, whether or not you're a believer yourself, and you owe it to yourself to read up on it. It astounds me how ignorant both hardcore fundie Christians and fedora-tipping atheists tend to be about such a monumentally immense part of world history. This shit shaped entire nations and epochs up to today. Why wouldn't you want to know how it got started, gained momentum, and eventually reached the pinnacle of world power?

>>281684229
Just watch this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK0r6pkDlq0

>>281684561
Yeah, that's part of my interest in it, they openly admit to basically being a fraud (choosing what to keep/use, decrying other content, then holding it up as holy/doctrine for centuries, when it was just a gaggle of old men slapping together THEIR version, a good 200~ years after the movement started).

>>281684610
not to mentuon they used to be pretty open about the decision reasons, namely that they were mostly predicated not on what jesus might have said but rather on what would make it easiest to convert the heathen.

>>281684561
Totally agree. Alao everyone should read the entire bible (minus the instructions in leviticus) for similar reasons. No need to check the septuagint with translation tools in parallel with a translation or to use tools lile strong's concordance, but at least through a good, neutral enough translation like the ESV rather than more biased common choices like the KJV.

It's understandable, tthough shortsighted, for non-christians not to know christian history and scripture so as to judge and try to understand hoe christians act and think.

However, it's even more pathetic that christians don't read their oen book (or worse, that zoomer """christians"""" make their own canon about what the book could possibly entail based purely on tiktok memes). To properly understand the context of jesus's life and statements as recorded, it then falls to reason one would learn jewish history in the same way.

In most societies, reading other companion books like the book of mormon, the talmud or the quran is much less meaningful, but the interested reader eould do well to proceed with them sometime. Along with some roman writings from around 50bc to 100ac for the roman context and their thoughts on christians and jews at the time. Pre-council content including Arius, as much as it can be found, give more nuance that help contextualize everything.

>>281676335
>there is only one correct path.
>You can see that it is correct
>You can see that it produces nothing but good
except there isn't one

>>281679514
Why create "retards"?

>>281679581
LARP harder, you fuckin tranny.

>>281682044
>>281682149
a miserable pile of secrets

child..

>>281669935 (OP)
Escape hell and get revenge.

>>281682812
>Why would God reward Satan by making him the petty deity of his own little realm?
It's because the concept of Satan is based on misunderstanding and is not biblical in origin. Not to say it isn't Christian, just that Christian tradition developed beyond what is written in the bible.

>>281679581
You're quite literally insane.

>>281669935 (OP)
You shouldn't have used the death note...

>>281669935 (OP)
Buddy you got your free ticked to heaven so it's your choice to do the needful and redeem it.
If you think God will reincarnate you in alternative WWI+II as a child soldier with magical powers because you feel euphoric about telling him he's not "the" God then you're up for some nasty surprise.

>>281685924
Lucifer is the misunderstanding, satan is real albeit not one person.
Ha-satan is also something most people do not get.

>>281672825
>Season 1
You make it sound like things got better at any point for him.

>>281686026
Tanya was really fun yeah.

>>281685916
How does anyone remember this guy

>>281686375
It could be argued things did get better, until they didn't...

>>281677556
>>281679503
>>281679581
>You do not get to complain about Inherited Sin if you will not acknowledge the unfairness of Inherited Grace.
Its inherently unfair for an immortal being to give his life and still have it. he has not sacrificed anything in doing so.
so yes, its inherently unfair to set this all up in his """infinate""" wisdom.
however despite feeling like I had to get that out there through your retarded ass

I want to actually call attention to some truthnukes I have about original sin and the inheretedness of original sin
I don't know how many spaces I need to put for people to fucking pay attention but the punishment for the original sin was civilization: Adam and eve lose access to the garden of eden, and adam must go toil and eat the plant, and eve must endure many painful births as is the lot of women in the fecund but nutritionally and hardship ridden lot of civilization. Naturally every child they bore also inherited the sin, since they are being born into society. I'm sure some christfags will argue that god had some kind of mythical meaning here and that humans really where immortal before this event, but even if they were, so what? at that point adam and eve were basically dogs. no more aware of anything and could be tricked by a stupid snake. It's pretty ridiculous for anyone to believe adam and eve meaningfully had a future to look forward to if they did not bite the apple. the future where humanity stayed animals is all that would have occurred.

>>281671957
Christians did have two "strongholds", so to speak, in Japan, although a little something happened at the end of ww2, and the whore of babylon conveniently glassed both of them, why? Up to you to find out.
Had that not been the case, the religious profile of Japan would be far different today.

>>281675438
>it is necessary to invent child mutilation m8, dont you agree?

>>281671957
My dumb anime idea is about a NEET who thinks he's been isekai'd but has actually gone to heaven because he was killed pushing a child out of truck-kun's way; the fantasy world is his own personal heaven maintained by angels who play all the other characters.

>>281685869
I want Luce to show me The Way.

>>281684748
>but at least through a good, neutral enough translation like the ESV
New revised standard version and it's derivates are the only acceptable translations.

>>281681349
was comin' here to post this

>>281682934
>Heaven is perfect beyond comprehension
Worse than slime isekai levels of lazy writing.
I refuse to believe regulars here could say this unironically without self awareness.

wish-fulfillment sloppa

>>281684232
If they were given an actual unromanticized historical account of the crusades they wouldn’t find them very cool.

The virgin crusader
>Lets the pope gaslight him into dying for Byzantium
>Dies from starvation because those same “inheritors of the roman empire” byzantines can’t form a supply line. (Or can’t bother too pay for one)
>Gets into sissy drama slap fights with other Christians all the time.
>Muslims don’t even realize he’s a thing. They think he’s just a Byzantine mercenary (well he technically is, except he’s paying for everything out of his own pockets LOL)
>Pope just switched the agenda from dying for Byzantium into dying for our (((Venetian investors)))
>Actually, now it’s just dying for sunk cost fallacy.
>Only land he actually was able to actually occupy for an extended period of time was Rhodes, an island originally belonging to Byzantium.
>This is all the true and accurate history of “based” crusaders.

I didn't know that there are so many Catholics, nice!

>>281688420
t. Catholic from Poland

>>281688012
nrsv is less accurate than esv and there is a trend even in academia to move away from it for that reason. However, it's a good tier 2 choice.

>>281684610
Christianity had two/three phases.
Phase 1 was the insurgent phase. You can kind of think of them as like the IRA. A plausible deniability branch of not!judaism sent out to harass and arson foreign infrastructure, like the burning of library of alexandria, and the fires Nero had to deal with. (Don’t get me wrong, Nero was a massive pussy who completely earned his eventual coup d'état, but he wasn’t the prime suspect of the fire.)
They are also the most likely suspects to have destroyed the sphinx’s nose.

Phase 2 was normalization. Infiltrating the roman aristocracy, co-opting pagan traditions, as well as the roman welfare state, and censoring/ banning anything they couldn’t control, including historical records. These power grabs first started with the eastern emperors, and the not so talked about fact is a lot of the barbarians who sacked the west were Christian mercs who were basically encouraged or arguably even financed by the Byzantines to go sack italy.
The only reason the plan failed was because Flavius Aetius successfully got the two barbarian hordes to kill each other, and the Byzantine emperor assassinated him for it.

Phase 3 was the downfall.
Basically europeans killed themselves over Christianity so much they decided to implement separation of church and state. (Like a third of Germany’s population died in their protestant wars alone.)
They then rediscovered greek philosophy during the renaissance and created some new ideas of their own. They then went on a tear completely sidelining Christianity into the meek institution it is today.
Though Christians still would lash out whenever they have the political opportunity to do so.
This is the phase we’re currently in.

>>281669935 (OP)
>That time I thought I'll get reincarnated in another world but instead I ended up burning in a lake of fire, but then Satan actually turned out to be a cute demonic girl who really, really likes to pamper me?!
Fund it

>>281679830
Pretty sure that's just Euphoria but gender swapped