Thread 282110679

fox yuri

First for Aromi-chan best yuri

>>282110679 (OP)
This is the thread

I wish i could read her previous manga cuz I dont really get the references.

>>282110785
If only this artist drew the manga instead

>>282110803
i'm already in cope mode by wishing for some miraculous paneling improvement...

Retardruyo isn't ready for yandere Kasumi.

>>282110740
>>282110772
Noighd loses one week of his lifespan for every page of het he attempts to translate.

Why does /a/ hate Koinega? Even the non-shitpost thread was abandoned.

>>282110896
/a/ is now purityfag

Not really a horrorfag. Is this yuri?

Amayo, Odoriba, Blue Star TL doko
Did Love Bullet update this month?

>>282110949
>het bullet

>>282110949
there's still one unreleased raw ch of Odoriba btw, hopefully Mona will be frenching Shion in it

>>282110930
A female character introduced partway through is in love with the MC, the MC doesn't mind her but it's hard to say if she'll reciprocate.

>>282110949
No Love Bullet this month, but next month has a double-length chapter (37 pages) to close out volume 2. There should still be something this month because the author said they'll publish the recent Comitia booklet digitally for free with extra pages.

Can't believe Otome no Teikoku is ending after 15 years of serialization.

Only fish and fish eaters have proper aura.

>>282111081
Hinako doesn't have aura thoughever.

too many characters in this

you don't need 6 yuri threads

Why are there 9 yuri related threads?

>>282111100
Too little too late. She will have aura when fishussy is part of her daily calorie intake.

>aislop
I know I know. Any yuri for this feel?

>>282111200
>>282111215
12 yuri threads in the catalog is fine actually.

>>282111183
bruh at least post the title or something

>>282111299
Has Akihito done anything after the abstract yuri series?

Fish

>>282111439
the detailed feet invites male gaze

>>282111439
endgame btw. No fox in sight too.

>>282111452
But I'm gazing at fish butt.

I eat fish only on fridays.

>>282110740
It's pretty funny if you have.
Miu who gaslit Etsurou into being her loveslave with emotional and physical abuse cheering Ono-senpai on while Etsurou looks concernedly at Sayori-senpai (Kasumi has reserved seating in this group) meanwhile Seika who didn't know about the drama until it literally punched her in the face halfway through the manga worries for the innocent Haruyo.

Seika giving Kasumi part of her guitar she got from Etsurou then smashed in the end after he left without saying goodbye to be with Miu again while Miu gives Kasumi the hammer she used to routinely break Etsurou's legs.
https://mega.nz/folder/DqJmiRhB#A8NhnAvAdk1I7FM96brF_A

>>282111515
You clearly want to translate that. Just edit boobs on the guy in every panel and call him a girl, we'll play along.

>>282111515
>Heroine(self-proclaimed)
kek

>>282110991
british frenching japanese?

>>282111641
YES

>>282111439
momoka and fish-subaru

>>282111005
>No Love Bullet this month
Oh I see. Must be because of that signing event

>>282111578
Tell Igarashi to do it.

>>282111825
Was this her first step towards becoming a yurifag?

Man, i love this series, but it's also a constant reminder that vague dialogue and plot fucking sucks in the long run. I simply do NOT understanding what the fuck is happening at this point

Whats up we the schizo making 4 threads for that Bislut manga ?
Did you triggered him ?

>>282111515
Can't believe Kasumi is going to break Onee-sama's legs.

>>282110679 (OP)
tfw your aunt is your future wife's ex who wants to kill her.

>>282111894
I went back to reread Masaki chapters and realized I don't remember half of them at all.
Cursed manga causing amnesia.

>>282112250
Everyone having the same face doesnt help

Unexpected oneeloli. Yandere ostrich loli and elf mage.

>>282111215
mental illness, unironically

>>282112527
Was manaria friends yuri?

>>282112568
That's not manaria friends

>>282112568
Manaria Girlfriends

>>282112568
Its have stuff like Anne sniffing grea tail shed so yes it is subtext

its more gay than yorukuso

can yuri be considered yuri if there's no kisses?

>>282112999
can het be considered het if there's no kisses?

I love them

>>282113215
I don’t get it

>>282113215
>sharex filename
Sean?

>>282111515
So we're through with the comfy part of the story and going straight into crazy territory?
Those sounds a bit too strong for me, hope it doesn't go as hard.

Lemonade is probably still one of the most frustrating yuri reads ever

there's too many characters in this

>>282113546
tl doko

>>282113546
Rare yuri where the main pair is flat x flat

>>282113452
I admit I forgot the names of 50% of the cast

is this yuri?

>>282113805
no

>>282113805
>>282113841
It's not a romance and also not about girls being gay for each other like Bad Girl, but it does have a large amount of gay misunderstandings, It's closer to Gochiusa than it is to Bad Girl.

https://www.sunday-webry.com/episode/2550912965814192510
Read gyaru yuri.

Speaking of gyaru I hope there's something between the prince-like girl and the one with the choker

>>282114073
yua... serufu...

PEAK ALERT

>>282114377
imagine the sound...

>>282113385
Crazy has entered the building but it hasn't found the room Kasumi and Haruyo are hiding in yet.
I doubt it's going to be quite like Dominant. For starters, Dominant was synopsized as "suspenseful platonic love." Which I don't agree with (maybe on Etsurou's part) but from the start it was setup to be unrequited. The violence was inherent to the mains, not part of the side characters, and introduced early enough to be foundational to the story. It always felt like a tragedy brewing while AriSaku feels more like healing with some stumbles.

AriSaku might have more physical moments later but I think that comparison between breaking your lover's leg with a hammer and threatening your lover with a boxcutter will remain a steady divide between the degrees of the two. AriSaku has been more about internal turmoil so far. I get the feeling it's meant to be longer too, so we're still firmly in the buildup phase. But Igarashi likes to keep readers on their toes.

>>282114523
Majiwives

>>282114496
I'm just going to be bummed when the next chapter completely ignores the bombshell cliffhanger of the previous.

>>282114496
I hope Paruyo doesn't have to go through anything crazy. She doesn't deserve that.

>>282114842
I wouldn't consider that ignoring given how it was presented. Meeting present Sayori first who's somehow happily(?) dating her after that wild factor was thrown in. It's meant to be part of the mystery of the senpais' relationship, dramatic irony we get to know in contrast to whatever Kasumi and Haruyo's impression of Mizuki will be. Unpacking them is like unpacking Kasumi's trauma.

>>282110930
Still open, but its very good either way. I recommend giving it a shot at least until the yuri girl arrives.

>>282111215
Is there really?

>>282112568
Yes.

>>282111581
As a matter of fact, when the yurinavi election of yuri series was happening, the author posted on twitter he was anxious to know how this series would rank, he has done oneeloli for yuri anthologies before too.

Canaries Dream of Shining Stars ch12
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/canaries_dream_of_shining_stars_ch12

Fushigi na Neko no Machi Meltier ch 23
https://comick.io/comic/fushigi-na-neko-no-machi/gsYV1Iho-chapter-23-en

Medetai Sensei ch2
https://mangadex.org/chapter/d4cd7688-de5d-42ab-bdc7-ca793d397c5b/1

Sorry, But I'm Not Into Yuri ch48
https://mangadex.org/chapter/c9b0acaf-f633-4514-b0ec-3b7ef3768252

Virgins' Empire Mini ch108
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/virgins_empire_ch306_3

>>282111215
I only count three (by searching yuri). Idk if that schizo rin thread from earlier is still being necrobumped. But that’s already too much. Why don’t the mods do anything? It’s the only genre that gets constant general threads like that, and multiple at the same time too. Even /dbs/ isn’t as bad.

>>282116117
>Medetai Sensei ch2
A new one for me. Are there any other newly scanlated manga in the past 4-5 days?

>>282116133
Because its actually a slippery slope to decide how retarded a thread needs to be to be banned.
Like that Rin thread, yeah its obviously schizo spam, but its not like posting "Rin pleases other women" can be considered to be against the rules.
'Some' I think are obviously meta threads and polshit that needs to be banned.
But keep in mind the whole reason the schizo does it, is specificially because he wants legit yuri discussion to be banned in the crossfire.

>>282116262
The irony is that we only have these threads because of his butthurt tantrum. So he actually lead to more yuri discussion on /a/.

>>282110785
What is that disgusting turd that's between the background girls? Did the mentally challenged artist think it's a woman?

I'm relatively new to yuri, but there's no going back for me... Any anime recommendations for a newfag?
I'm enjoying bad girl and watanare and enjoyed happy sugar life and mahako for reference

>>282116262
>But keep in mind the whole reason the schizo does it, is specificially because he wants legit yuri discussion to be banned in the crossfire.
This is retarded. The guy is obviously a yurifag. Most of the biggest schizos on this board are, so it's not surprising either. You can't keep playing the victim card forever.
Point is, if this was done with any other genre the mods would have stepped in long ago.

>>282116532
There isn't much to watch for a yurifag, but give AdaShima, Candy Boy and Konohana Kitan a try. Those are my favorite. After that I highly recommend that you stick with manga and LN, because there is way more yuri content there to enjoy.

>>282116532
There are not that many yuri anime, try Adachi to Shimamura, Bloom into You and Citrus, Whisper a love Song if you can deal with production issues midway into the anime

>>282116532
watch mahoako it's the only good one

>>282116645
>Whisper Me a Love Song
Please don't, just tell anon to read the manga.

>adashima
good, just bore them away from the genre permanently why dont you

>>282116563
>The guy is obviously a yurifag.
You'd probably have more success if you threads weren't
>Why is yuri so shit and no one likes it
Half the time. And blatant schizo polshit the other half.

>>282116133
>>282116262
>>282116361
>>282116563
The thread was ending and people just made new threads at the same time when the first one sounded like bait, there is no big conspiracy anons, this also happens with the Isekai thread from time to time.

>>282116665
There are good episodes, it's just those 2 which are really bad.

>>282116667
24 reprints, keep seething.

>>282116674
Ah so you're mentally ill, got it.
Sorry but samefagging and pretending to be multiple people is something only yurifags do. You should stop accusing others of doing the same.

>>282116364
You do know one of the MCs is married to a guy, right?

>>282116691
Doesn't really explain all the other obvious bait threads spamming the catalogue. Usually more on the weekend though.

>>282116691
Curious how that doesn't happens with any other pseudogeneral on this board, but it happens with yuri constantly.
And the mods do nothing about it whatsoever.

>>282116532
Had to scale it down for 4chan, but hopefully its still usable for you.

I'm happy to see my oshi artist is getting a guest serialization in Kirara starting next month.

>>282115109
Sayori has my suspicions aroused. I suppose it's not exactly out of the ordinary for a talented high school artist to have a bit of a superiority complex, and if anything her apparent cowardice to actually break any rules is only more indication that she's normal. But there's just something about this "suck it, you non-lesbians" attitude that raises a red flag. She clearly wasn't that enamored with the class S LARP as Sumichan and Baruyo, particularly due to her use of senpai over oneesama, but context indicates her relationship was actively sexual well before the box cutter incident, and if anything the S LARP was just introductory pretense or dresssing to romance. She seemed to be getting off to, pun intended, fucking around school.

Of course, we're missing quite a bit of the story, but the impression I got was that after Mizuki's graduation, the distance dampened Sayori's attitude and she sort of resigned herself back to normalfag life. That is, until Mizuki pulls something actually illegal and reminds her of why Sayori sought their relationship in the first place. I don't think she went to the apartment with the intent to break up, but she had become less passionate, and so ultimately being consensually raped had the (intended?) effect of reigniting the spark.

Rather speculative on my part, but regardless I feel it safe to say that Sayori is a fucking degenerate.

>>282116844
>90% of it is het stuff
lol

>>282116768
>>282116782
There are obvious shitposting threads made from time to time, but other series actually do get those, they just ignored, have you guys really never noticed how people will create NTR threads with nagatoro or other romcom sluts to provoke romcomfags? The issue with yuri is that there are dedicated shitposters with their ritual posting, though I am not sure if this is even a bad thing because they start shitposting on the other thread and end forgetting about this one.

>>282116946
Others never have multiple threads up at once.

>>282116907
Yeah, this is the problem I keep having. I will try some of the recommendations from anons here tho thanks all.

>>282116907
At this point if the list does not have Trannymashi or trannymai I am already happy with it

>>282116946
I don't think anyone would seriously suggest other genres/series don't have their own schizos.
We just happen to have one of the most prolific ones right now.

>>282116975
I already said it happens with isekai from time to time, which btw also has shitposting threads, like the famous threads about pedo tensei shitting on the genre.

yeah my favorite yuri anime
k-on, kill la kill, girls und panzer, madoka

>>282117001
That list is 99% het free. As the notes at the top say, it only has very few exception (notable one being Hen, since it only has 2 EPs and the second one starts the yuri plot). And those are obvious at a glance. I recommend browsing it to see what catches your eye.

>>282117045
Probably, it's a consequence of a mix of /pol/ turists and the fact that for a long time yuri shipping always ended becoming a joke for the board

>>282117088
Most things in it are het. Just because there's no on screen romance doesn't means the characters aren't straight.

>>282117121
Holy kek what a retard

>>282117045
Three letters man would be less annoying without his boyfriends baiting him
Just saying

>>282116745
>Teacher is married to a turd
Oh so this yuri is a humongous pile of turd then. Turds can never be women

>>282117150
The person who made the pic sure was yes, the use of the term "subtext yuri" gives it away

>>282116532
Sakura Trick

>>282117161
They are the same person anon.

>>282117167
It's a very popular yuri series and sequel to another popular yuri series.

>>282117121
Cute anime girls are gay by default.
>but muuuh reality
No one cares, normalfag.

>>282117161
You say that because you weren't in Nanoha or Symphogear threads

>>282117216
Fair enough

>>282117212
Actually all cute anime girls are straight, even those that claim to be gay.

>he spends all day camping a thread about a genre he hates, just to screech at everyone how yuri doesn't exist and nothing is yuri
This is actually even more mentaly ill then the poly schizos.

>>282117171
My issue is not with obvious subtext shows like Hanayamata, Urara, Toji no Miko and many others but A-Channel, Re-Kan, Hitoribocchi, GUP, K-On, Watamote, Soul Eater Not, Burst Angel, Neptunia, Milky Homes and others.

There is even Hinako Note (which the author herself never considered to be yuri and so she does het porn of it but not of her yuri series) and Keijo which had a male love interest, even if the author said he was only there because it was an editorial mandate.

>>282117363
A handful of questionable choices in a list this long seems fine to me.
I'm more wondering about some omissions, like Cream Lemon Escalation.
Still a pretty good guide I'd say.

>>282117363
"Yuri subtext" straight up does not exist. Yuritards don't use the term subtext right. You don't understand what subtext means. Something that is unconfirmed isn't subtext, it's just unrevealed. For something to be subtext, it needs to be confirmed implicitly.

>>282116861
who's your oshi artist?

>>282117438
The entire yuri genre derives from stories of implicit lesbianism, due to censorship. And in the 80s and 90s a lot of it was still implicit for the same reason.
You can seethe about it all day, but that doesn't change anything.

>>282117438
Your lack if cultural education and emotional intelligence making you unable to read subtext (in many cases not even that subtextual), doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means you are retarded.

>>282117438
>Yuritards
Hey schizo, stop signing your posts, call it yurifags to at least keep the game of identifying schizos interesting.

>>282117363
Most of those are shows people who like yuri would enjoy. Cute girls, ecchi teasing and emotional connections. Seems good enough for me to call it yuri.

>>282117531
If you never noticed, this guy has zero impulse control because he is genuinly and actually mindbroken by yuri.

>>282117209
>Defending shits
lol lmao

>>282117079
>kill la kill,
Ryuuko/Satsuki is great though. It also has canon yuri.

>>282116899
Sayori was so turned on she did the raping.

>>282117438
You probably have a point in the sense that shippers do overuse that term, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

>>282117438
Subtext is a common narrative mechanic, most of the time requiring only common sense to be understood, so the interpretation some works have yuri subtext when it portrays the girls closeness to beyond friendship is not strange at all, though you are correct in the sense that the author is the ultimate word and if it's their desire they can dismiss any subtext the same way they could confirm yuri couples that make absolute no sense. Though it has to be said that the more explicit yuri works we get and more subtext works do end confirming the couples by the end, the more those understood to be subtext works start looking less like an appropriate use of the word yuri.

>>282117588
Sorry anon, it's a great series regardless of how you feel about it.

>adashima
>great
do shit lovers really?

>>282117831
>the more those understood to be subtext works start looking less like an appropriate use of the word yuri.
Yuri only refers to stories about close female relationships. It simply does not and never has been exclusively applied to explicit romance. Marimite is understood to be yuri in japan, you can literally check japanese wikipedia. And that despite the fact that the author explicitly said she didn't set out to make a yuri work.

Can you faggots just argue in the other thread?

>>282117482
There is no censorship against lesbianism in japan. You're retarded. Yuri has always been explicit.

>>282117508
>>282117831
But i said i can recognize subtext, you can't and misuse the word.
>emotional intelligence
lol

>>282117926
Definitions can change over time. There's no reason to delude ourselves into considering Class S shit on the same level as actual, romantic yuri.All it does is muddy the waters and dilute yuri, basically encouraging subtext or worse, bait. Neither of which are yuri.

>>282117831
Today we have less subtext, for obvious reasons. Not that long ago though, people had to make subtext to get it past editors and publishers.
But very often "subtext" is also people from the west very often simply not understanding that the japanese actively enjoy and romanticise "implicit" romance. Being indirect and circumspect about acknowledging your feelings makes it more romantic.

>>282116861
>petopeton managed to get a guest appearance for 3 chapters in kirara
Damn, actually surprised, I was feeling kinda sad that he seemed to be doing nothing for a long while, but I guess he's been grinding. Oneeloli wins again.

>>282117981
You don't even know what class s actually is. Class S is explicit romance.

Stop replying to schizos you fucking retards. We don't need another cyclical subtext argument that will go nowhere and no one's ideas of what is and isn't yuri won't change in the slightest.

We need another raws dump

>>282117454
金城まち

>>282118151
Recommendations from them?

>>282118019
>Oneeloli
>he
Anon, you should know better by now.

>>282113452
Keeping track of names can be hard at times but Mochi Au Lait are really good at making new characters so I don't mind.

>>282118202
I will forever live by the rule that everyone on the internet is a man until proven otherwise. Still glad for them.

>>282118269
I honestly often even forget the names of the MCs of manga I read. Especially when binging.

>>282111200
For every thread kyoukonigger shits up there should be 2 more Yuri threads

>>282114808
I'm very disturbed that mods haven't permabanned this ultra faglord yet. Let alone filter his retarded ass "memes"

>>282118198
Everything in the panda by them

>>282117926
This wasn't even the original meaning of the word yuri in context of the market, it was originally only meant for lesbianism and after the success of shows like Maria Sama that were popular with the yuri fandom they started using the word in a more vague context for commercial reasons. Basically what I am saying is that the perception of the time can change the usage and understanding meaning of a word and the more yuri works in a explicit context or with a profile subtext which is very strong are published, the less sense will have the usage of the word yuri for those lesser subtext works. Some places are even starting to use the word GL which may exclude those lesser subtext works.

>>282118017
Usually the scope of the work is already established before the serialization, those cases would have been exceptions, most uses of the word subtext are in works which are not really focused on how intimate the relationship of the girls are to begin with.

Take me to the timeline where Chigusa didn't fast-track her descent into queen of yuri junk food please.

>>282118344
I'm kind of the same way. I often forget names after I'm done reading but they mostly come back to me once I'm reading the manga again.

>>282118515
I just want her to stop trying to change her art style, getting a lot of practice isn't bad.

>>282117438
Subtext does exist, but they are very few
Most of the time though it is used by shipping schizos for their delusions

>>282118515
>queen of yuri junk food
Thats still whoever does art for Sakura Cloud VNs

>>282118575
I assure you it would help if her schedule didn't force her to turn in barely touched-up scribbles for her main publication.

>>282118017
>people had to make subtext to get it past editors and publishers
Literal fanfiction. Explicit yuri has always existed with no problem.
I'll say it again, you do not understand what subtext means. Something that is left to interpretation or unresolved is not subtext. Subtext is something that is INTENTIONALLY revealed implicitly. Once you notice it, it is impossible to deny and answers questions you had on your mind before finding it, and it's the only explanation too.
A subtextual reveal is still a reveal. It's not more ambiguous or vague than a normal reveal, it's just harder to notice when you don't know where to look.

>>282118601
Subtext is common in some works, like Haruhi and Lain use it a lot for example.
"Yuri subtext" is entirely made up and a complete misuse of the word. Yurifags literally use it like normal people use the word "headcanon", because they for some reason absolutely want to pretend their fanfictions are canon.

>>282118575
At least she stopped making AI-esque fuckups with anatomy for a while now. I don't dislike the new style, just wished she didn't switch so hard mid-series.

>>282119003
Spooky

>>282118652
>explicit yuri has always existed with no problem
Class-S stories were censored by the Japanese government.

>"Yuri subtext" is entirely made up and a complete misuse of the word
>yuri subtext is something that is INTENTIONALLY revealed implicitly.
By your own logic, yuri subtext is something that can exist. An author can implicitly reveal yuri relationship. And this has been done by author's acknowledging that they've added yuri elements to their works in series that otherwise don't have explicit romance. See Flip Flappers for example, which doesn't contain a kiss or otherwise confirmation of romantic relationship:

>https://farfromanimation.wordpress.com/2017/01/06/flip-flappers-an-interview-with-director-kiyotaka-oshiyama/comment-page-1/
>the script writers would add whatever they wanted on top of that. For example, the yuri elements that Ayana is so good at.

On top of that, you have several works which had yuri subtext and then gradually morphed into an explicit relationship instead of being present from the beginning. Which should be impossible according to you; it should be explicit from the beginning.

I hope Chigusa fixes the art of the volume releases.

>>282114073
This is both cute as hell but also kinda scary looking.
Almost monstergirls.

>>282118652
Anon, you are just making a mess of the word subtext, it's just a narrative mechanic meant to say there is an underlying meaning in the maintext, whether the story gives the tools for the readers to "reveal" the subtext or not does not change what the author's intentions were. There is also no such thing as "the only explanation", there is common sense or logic, but fiction has no actual rules, the author has the power to deny everything he made happen on the previous page or to write pure nonsense as explanations. Same way an author can accidentally write something that looks like subtext or write subtext no one can understand because he lacks the skills to convey what he wants.

We had yuri authors confirm what is the intention of their works, some times by just calling the work yuri themselves, or even cases like killer's braid author who originally was going to write a explicit yuri story but was told at the by the publisher they thought it would do commercially better if he toned it down, so as himself admits, he wrote a yuri story but left it open for interpretation, ironically as he pointed, in the meaning of his publication yuri light novels got really popular and outsold his work.

>>282119178
Every time I see a girl with nails like this IRL I cringe, you just know it's for attention because it's nothing but an inconvenience in their lives.

>>282119300
I saw one at the gym once and couldn't help but ask her how she ever managed to work out with those.

>>282119178
They cut them off because they realize they won't get to have sex with those
it's a great detail

>>282119046
>Class-S stories were censored by the Japanese government.
Unrelated to yuri which is a genre born in the 1990s
>By your own logic, yuri subtext is something that can exist
In theory, but it never does. Turns out, implicitly confirming something as complicated as a character's feelings isn't easy, which is why authors never take such a retarded approach.

>>282119222
>There is also no such thing as "the only explanation"
Clearly you've never seen any actual instance of subtext in media.

>>282119435
Yeah that was cute as heck. I love gal yuri.

>>282119353
IRL they are often just fakes they can take off.

>>282119485
>Unrelated to yuri which is a genre born in the 1990s
Plently of Class-S stories featured lesbians. Read the ones written by Nobuko Yoshiya.

>in theory, but it never does.
I just gave you an example and many more exist: New Game, Akebi, Novice Alchemist. If implicitly confirming a character's feelings were hard, then no series would ever have a build-up to a relationship. They would just start dating from the beginning.

>>282119588
I assumed so but they weren't or she would've taken them off. She was actually lifting dumbbells with them.

>>282119642
Hardcore, if so. Maybe a bit stupid too.

>>282119485
>Clearly you've never seen any actual instance of subtext in media.
I don't think you understand what fiction is anon, it's not your fault, it's the government who failed to give you proper education.

oh know

>>282118575
I no longer like her artstyle, she peaked back when she was mostly doing illustrations

>bait Yuri threads spammed
>Yuri defining idiot losing its mind again
Reminder that troon shit will never be yuri

>>282119485
Class S is yuri.

>>282110701
>>282120109
>>282114808
>>282113215
>>282113282
You are genuinely an obsessed schizo. Literally 100% unprovoked screeching about your boogieman. You are not an "epic troll". You're not a "bully". 4chan isn't your personal army. You're just an obsessed freak with mental disorders trying to use this website to live vicariously.

Convenient Semi-friend ch33
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/convenient_semi_friend_ch33

>>282120461
Thoughts on this? >>282117406
>>282117414

>>282120449
NTA but most class S stories were not about implicit romantic feelings at all, only very few popular ones were.

>>282120515
Yuri was always about any extremely close relationships between girls even if by current standards there is no longer a need to tone down the romantic tension even for subtext stories in most cases.

>>282120704
There is an hierarchy to things, their relationships were as close as friendship went, but without romantic interest they were never that close and the narrative of many of those stories treated moving away to men as positive thing for both of them, not a tragedy.

It's not yuri unless the clits touch

Tae-chan to Jimiko-san 33
https://mangadex.org/chapter/a6351dda-3eb9-4b32-8de6-3d2fb2539c61

Sure to be actually read

>>282120846
Brainlets like you trying to talk about art and what it should be seen as will never fail to amuse me

>>282119627
>Plently of Class-S stories featured lesbians
So does western shit, doesn't make it yuri.
>I just gave you an example
No, you gave me an example of an author claiming he put "yuri elements" into something whatever he meant by that. He was probably a schizo.
>If implicitly confirming a character's feelings were hard, then no series would ever have a build-up to a relationship
A buiild up isn't a confirmation, retard.

>>282119916
Projection. I'm not the one using words i don't and understand and couldn't identify when it's actually there.

>>282120449
No since it predates the yuri genre.

>>282121317
I am talking about genre, do you also want to argue a story about being reincarnating in a world with magic is sci-fi?

>>282121378
>Definition of subtext says something
>Anon makes imaginary and arbritary rules to it.

>>282121317
>>282121378
Keep going, I think it's cute you're so confident about being retarded

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yamada_to_kase_san_ch45

frustrating.

>>282121484
Subtext means something that is implied.
It does not mean something that is unconfirmed or up to interpretation.
Actual instances of subtext are just as undeniable as explicit plot points once you see them.
I'm gonna give you the same example i gave lapdog a few days ago:
In Lain, Lain's father poisoned his own daughter (Lain's sister) and drove her mad because she was disturbing the experiment by interacting with Lain. He was counting on his old coworker and presumed current cult leader Eiri to bring her back to normal once he becomes God.
This is never stated explicitly, but it's shown through multiple scenes, and is something you will understand after multiple watches. This is what actual subtext is. Notice how it's not up to interpretation, since there's no other explanation as to why and how Lain's sister lost her mind. It's clearly put there intentionally, which is the difference between actual subtext and a fan theory.

>>282121514
One (you), schizo.

>>282121578
Aww, you're so cute, desperately baiting for (you)s pretending you understand what you consume, you going to type up another paragraph little retard?

>>282121660
Nobody wants your (you)s. Most of my post was copypasted from an earlier one, which is something i said.
For someone who claims to understand subtext you sure seem to be struggling with actual text.

>>282121559
Kase should be the one getting wrecked by the stepladder.

>>282121691
>For someone who claims to understand subtext you sure seem to be struggling with actual text.
Awww look at you, poor little retard has to make up a whole backstory for me when I've been sitting here insulting you the entire time, you going to have another meltdown little junior

>>282121578
Like I said you are just making arbritary nonsense that goes beyond what the definition of the word is, an author can write implications without ever giving the ability to the reader to absolute know the truth which is by itself already an stretch since it requires interpretation and interpretation is by itself subjective.

>>282121738
You clearly struggle at even knowing which posts are mine which aren't so clearly you're not as superior as you think, maybe you're laughing because you're crazy? Just saying.
Anyway YWNBAW.

>>282121748
>an author can write implications without ever giving the ability to the reader to absolute know the truth
Then it's not an implication. It's a possible resolution to an unresolved plot point.
Something that is implied is something that we know to be true due to it being implicitly confirmed.
And in cases of actual subtext, there is no room for interpretations. I literally gave you an example.

>>282111894
>>282112250
I appretiate noigh notes and theories because of this

the faggots raid is going strong, no matter what you fags do i will keep making yuri thread

Is this yuri?

All of my favorite threads are infested with schizos, is this just the fate of totally-not-generals?

>>282121559
This is still on-going? I read Asagao and thought this one was completed as well.

>>282121952
>is this just the fate of totally-not-generals?

Yes
You can see it site wide
I go on /toys/ too and theres a schizo who made 35 lego threads

>>282121830
>which aren't so clearly you're not
>projecting out of nowhere
Esl schizo san, you're losing it, you can barely type legible sentences now...

>>282121962
It sort of feels like the author doesn't have much of a goal in mind with this one, it's already longer than the original series and shows no signs of ending.

>>282122021
That's perfectly intelligible though. Good job displaying your shitskin IQ

>>282121952
yes but you get used to it after a while
You can at least be glad this is not even close to the threads in /vg/

Today's Watanare ep gave me the tingles.

>>282122099
Ajisai is such a slut

>>282121952
The moment you understand that schizos only matter when there's no one else bringing up anything interesting to actually discuss, you'll realize we got it actually pretty good.

>>282122099
You know how Mai wrote a list of things she wanted to do to Renako?
I wonder what Ajisai's version of that list would look like.

>>282121578
>one you
>keeps going
You poor little schizophrenic retard, you can't help yourself from replying can you? Need to prove yourself to the voices in your head? Going to have another little meltdown trying to prove that you're any better than your Esl brethren? You're my free entertainment, giving me (you)s just for making fun of the local lolcow, gonna cry?

>>282122227
Every sexual things two girls can do to each others

My First Friend was a Zombie ch10
https://mangadex.org/chapter/acc20b50-b62d-4f6c-a1c6-0efa9cd46db7

I won

>>282121378
>So does western shit, doesn't make it yuri.
Do you even know what the genre is about? Some of those works were about the lesbian relationship between the girls, which makes it yuri.

>He was probably a schizo
You didn't even read the example because he said the writer put yuri elements into their work. I also love how you ignore a literal author when it disproves your point.

>A buiild up isn't a confirmation
I didn't say it was. I'm saying a build-up relies on subtext because it's not explicit. If there was no subtext, people would say the relationship came out of nowhere.

>>282122649
What is yuri is what belongs to the yuri genre.
>I also love how you ignore a literal author when it disproves your point
I'm not. What i'm saying is that yuri subtext doesn't exist. Not that whatever that guy is talking about doesn't exist in his head.
>a build-up relies on subtext
And once again you prove that you don't understand what subtext is. Your claim is nonsensical. You are clearly physically unable to learn about this subject, lapdog, since you're just paraphrasing the same shit you were spamming last time.
Something that is unconfirmed cannot be implied, as something that is implied is by definition confirmed (implicitly).

melori

>>282122809
>what is yuri is what belongs to the yuri genre.
That is literally a circular definition, genius.

>Not that whatever that guy is talking about doesn't exist in his head.
>yuri subtext is something that is INTENTIONALLY revealed implicitly.
The author intend the work to reveal the yuri elements implicitly. By your definition, it's yuri subtext so I don't know why you're denying it when you were one who made this about what the authors intended.

>something that is unconfirmed cannot be implied
This is just factually untrue. Implication is by it's definition cannot be 100% confirmed, otherwise it would no longer be implied. If I ask to borrow your car on the weekend and you say that you have to pick some things up, it is implied that I can't borrow it but it's not a dismal. You could be saying that I can't or you could be suggesting that only after you complete your errands.

>last time
All you're doing is showing you have nothing better to do with your time.

>>282121317
>couldn't refute the image and needed to spasm about its cope
I accept your concession

>>282122227
It’s the exact same list but instead of phrasing it as “I want to do these things to you” it’s phrased as “I want you to do these things to me”

>yap yap yap yap yap
skipped

>>282114808
Why do you keep thinking of a guy every time you see two cute girls? Could it be that you are G A Y?

>>282113153
>no Hoshitele this month
Life is suffering.

>>282123923
Why is Kasumi so cute ?

>>282123923
Why is Kasumi so homophobic?

>>282124215
>Kasumi wants to pawn onee-sama off because she hates faggots.

>>282124145
It's not like it will get translated anyways

>>282124215
We love homophobic yuri

We need more interspecies yuri.

Vigne loves Tapris

>>282124407
what is Sumika's problem?

>>282124580
Same as Hime, she's a non-lesbian surrounded by lesbians.

>>282124145
What do you mean?

>>282116532
Ninja to Koroshiya no Futarigurashi aired last season

>>282124580
>didn’t realize Nene loved her until she was already used goods with too much drama between them
>at the same time fell in love with a girl who used her and is still too hung up on her obsessive crush to choose her first

Being Sumika is suffering. Even when Hime ends up turning Kanoko down, Sumika is always going to feel like she’s a pity second place prize so they’ll probably never get back together without some serious conversations

>>282114377
Hot

>>282124456
mayu owes miko sex

>>282114377
Blue board, you fucking degenerate.

>>282112999
A lot of romance manga don't have an explicit kiss at the end. So I'd say so.

>>282125004
Kanoko didn't use Sumika. Sumika was the one that wanted to be a shoulder Kanoko could cry on. That's why they became sisters in the first place.

>>282125477
She did when she asked her to be her girlfriend just to recover her emotional support dog

We need more AGI yuri.

>>282125477
I meant more so after Kanoko started dating Sumika for the express purpose of manipulating her emotions to bitch and moan about Hime more. Obviously it started out as a mutual thing, but Kanoko crossed the line when she started taking Goto’s “advise”

>>282125569
>>282125601
To be fair we see Kanoko is against it when Goeido originally suggested it. It was just Goeido telling her that it would help Sumika that convinced her.

Youko did nothing wrong and she deserves Sumika more than Kanoko

Yuri manga about cute bioengineering girls playing with buttplugs

>>282126020
Trannyshit is not yuri retard, you are never going to be a women

>>282126196
Trains are biological men posing as women. Tanya is a real girl.

>>282126248
Still not yuri just because he is a magical tranny, yuri is not a narrative about guys turning into women and there is nothing you can do about it.

https://mangadex.org/title/224b28bf-4763-4430-a4c1-ec124d283836/-gyaru-to-gyaru-no-yuri
it updated

>>282126393
>no yuri
It's not yuri

>>282126397
Someone should make a thread with this title and dump it
>Gyaru to Gyaru, NO YURI

dark souls but yuri

>>282126476
First we save manga and anime, later we save the games industry

>>282120480
Any translation expert want to comment on the sukis?

>>282126393
nothing happened but it's really cute

Who will save the world?

>>282126486
IMHO we really need to start leaving 'suki' as is, we did the same for honorifics. Just like honorifics the target audience is already familiar with it through osmosis, I see no reason not to. Most of the time it's trickier than honorifics too, more reason to do it.

this is a kokuhaku desu

Anon how could you

>>282127447
I don't think Renako was thorough in her breast data collection. She should have checked what they taste like! The file isn't complete without it.

>>282127545
this is disgusting (in a positive way)

>>282127545
>And sucking on my perky teenage tits will help you make a better doll?
>Doll? … Oh yeah, right. Totally

>>282127573
She is probably honestly thinking about fucking the doll here though

>>282126393
>lets be lesbians!
>two inch long fingernails

jesus fucking christ that’s going to be a rough evening

>>282127624
They cut the nails later

>>282127646
and they did it together

Can we talk how Ajisai is obviously using Renako to get closer to Mai?

>>282126393
Lilyfever speed

Just finished reading the first vol of this in one go.
This is good adult yuri. Who says wholesome is dead.

>>282127911
I think Hanamaki wants to get Nagi'd.

>>282128037
Sendai would never pump and dump

It just dawned on me that AjiRena's first night is hardcore age play...

>>282128035
It's not very interesting

>>282127911
>I curled my hand into a fist.
Sendai...

On another note, this is the first chapter in a while we didn't hear "Utsonomiya" from Sendai.

>>282128234
The main pair are cute both individually and together. Their relationship takes steps forward in a nonretarded way. It makes you want to root for them. What about it do you find not interesting?

>>282128249
Subtext Utsunomiya.

>>282128350
No ntr or dads that beat them

>>282127911
> Hanamaki-san wasn’t the type to get overly excited or talk too much, but she liked to chat.
Another Maika

>>282127911
>It seemed incredibly difficult just to get Miyagi to believe me, and I felt she’d instantly turn me down if I asked her to be in a relationship with me. Even now, if I pointed out that she seemed happy, she’d probably deny it.
>Miyagi was like a wary stray cat who hated change. Adding “love” into the mix could destroy everything between us, and if I told her how I felt now, it could end our relationship completely.
Confessionfag BTFO. Miyagi is too emotionally immature for a romantic relationship.

>>282128416
>Anon is taking at face value the girl who can't even tell Miyagi is in love with her
Sendai should be building towards a confession, gradually getting closer, starting to communicate how much Miyagi is important to her, instead all she is doing is trying to be intimate with Miyagi, having sex was a step back in their relationship and Sendai is unable to understand why.

>>282128350
You can guess how every chapter plays out before even reading it. There are no unique or compelling developments.

Have you apologized to Teren yet?

>>282128567
Sendai is building towards a confession but Miyagi is unfortunately so autistic that it will take 200+ chapters to lay the groundwork.

>>282128581
The search for the mythical wholesome manga with no drama where crazy exciting things happen continues.

It’s all M’s fault

>>282128588
Don't think I will, no.
Nice that something yuri is doing well, but Teren still can't write, and harems suck.

Where do you even find the Short Stories between vol7 and vol8? I just downloaded the epubs from nyaa and it isn't there.

If Miyagi, Sendai, and Utsunomiya all lived together, the first two would progress much faster, and Utsunomiya would have a constant source of fun.

Who’s the most famous bisexual yuri queen?

>>282128620
Every romance manga needs drama. It just needs to be good drama and not unrealistic or over-the-top.

>>282128700
your mom

>>282128700
Your mom shat you out, then slept with ugly older women.

>>282128700
Nakatani Nio

necronomico's lesbian brothel special stream #youtube

>>282128710
Realistic drama is either too boring to make a manga out of or too depressingly real for most to want to read. Drama needs to be entertaining is all. It can be about eraser theft so long as it feels like there's a point to the drama and the characters are consistent. Wholesomefags just accuse anything toxic of being bad writing and trendchasing.

>>282128604
Yes, but part of it is that Sendai already made bad moves on the groundwork that came before, sex turned what would be 200 chapters into 400.

I like the balance 7kano strikes. Manatsu is a wholesome bottle of sunshine who falls for the distant, burdened Nagi. Manatsu keeps things light while Nagi keeps things interesting.

>>282128700
Your mother Nakatani Nio

>>282128811
Stealing an eraser is cringy as fuck. There are lots of examples of compelling but realistic drama like poor communication, disagreements, rivalries, uncertainty for the future, etc. Simple but effective relationship tension that keeps people on the edge of their seats.

>>282128710
>>282128811
I think there is a fine line between conflict and over the top drama that is obviously just there to stretch a plot point. No romance fiction is even close of being realistic which is by itself nothing but a point of the view of the reader, what is realistic to you will only depends on your personal experiences and interactions with other people.

>>282128901
Sorry if japanese culture is cringe to you.

>>282128876
Sex was a great move. It disrupted the roommate status quo and made it easier to have sex in the future which will lead to more progress which will lead to more sex and so on.

>>282120515
Implicit (and explicit) romance was the whole subject matter of class s.
Class S was not about friendship and thenidea it means anything less than romance is quite literally a invention of post 00s westerners that have never in their entire life read a single actual class s story.

>>282128970
This is just revisionism from people who want to make class S to be about lesbianism when it was not the point for most authors.

>>282128960
Only for a narrative point of view, they both obviously were not ready for it and just made them even more insecure because now they don't understand what is their relationship anymore.

>>282128878
Agreed. I also can’t get enough of Manatsu’s faces.

https://mangadex.org/chapter/385ae6b0-4746-4fe1-a5e0-015aa7b39cfc/1
7kano ch7.5 and vol2 extras

>>282129050
Weird how this revisionism must have happened in 1920s japan, where everyone thought it was about lesbianism. Which is why it was censored.
As I said, delusions by morons like you who assert things about a genre they have never read.

>>282129203
An official age for Yua-sensei! That's new information. Something like a 4 year age gap, which isn't as big as a lot of readers were expecting.

Kill Yua Serufu.

Can you still call her shit after seeing this, anon?

>>282129236
>Aren’t boobs just way too sexy?

Manatsu gets more based every day

>>282129280
The banning had nothing to do with lesbianism which almost no story even implied, the government was just worried how the core of class S was the introducing of western concepts into japanese culture and the increasingly worry that women were starting to express themselves and defy the patriarchy. Before the US nuked nips and they surrendered women there was no concept of equality between genders on japan.

>>282129324
I can understand why Nagi is afraid to continue her relationship with Manatsu now. She'll become addicted to the pleasure and utterly dependent on Manatsu's touch...

>>282123923
Kasumi? more like KasuCUTE

>>282129324
>not a virgin
Yes

>>282129465
its ok her senpai was a cock lover who was only curious so that experience didn't count

>>282119178
How do they wipe their asses?

We love Kanoko.

>>282129547
Very carefully. Thats why they always go to the toilet together.

>>282129495
We don't know that yet. She might have moved on to older women.

>>282129324
She doesn't look like she's enjoying it. Is it because she wants to be on top?

>>282129762
Imagine a world where Yua-senpai started dating other people but kept texting Nagi anyway, stringing her along.
That would be its own brand of harrowing for poor Nagi

>>282122206
Objectively wrong. Most people aren't willing to sift through the heaps of schizo shit to find posts by people who actually qualify as human, and nonschizo posting slows to a crawl whenever they have their fits. For a practical example just look at how /an/ was murdered.

>>282128581
>You can guess how every chapter plays out before even reading it.
I did not predict that the high schooler who caused the issue the mains were fighting over would completely cave to her parents, thus making their fight relatively pointless. I don't think most readers did/will, either.

>inb4 "Hurrr that's what teenage girls do"

Not in manga, or even fiction in general. Not usually.

>>282130132
You're replying to Akari, Kyouko and Chinatsu.

>>282130173
damn.

>>282129066
Anon's not talking about the first time, it's when Miyagi set the platonic "roommates" label and Sendai crossed the line by seducing Miyagi into plowing her

>>282129236
>flat boobs
>sexy

How would Manatsu react if she saw Nagi smile for the first time while Nagi was looking at someone else?

>>282130173
I doubt it. It's 100% monogamous and not a love triangle, so he'd have no reason to sour grape post.

>>282130325
This scene was so incredibly soul-cleansing.

>>282130287
Wrong. He was seething at 7kano, which is not a love triangle.

>>282130246
Now that they already had sex they will have to adapt to this reality, it's not something they can pretend it didn't happen even if Miyagi wanted to, it shouldn't have happened at that point but now that it happened it's part of their relationship dynamic and not doing it would just make them even less secure they currently are, basically they are going to course correct from now.

>>282130417
yet.

>>282130417
His problem with 7kano is Nagi being used goods, to him a character having been in love before also counts as a love triangle, yes it's stupid I know, but Alphabet man isn't the only self important autist with a stick up his ass around here.

>>282130480
Well as we know if a background character blushes at the protagonist it is a love triangle too.

yuri but the protagonist has DID and all of her alternate personalities are in love with the main one

>>282130802
Mutsumi?

>>282130802
And hate the person the main personality is in love with.

>>282130808
They all love soyo

>>282130881
Except Mutsumi herself.

>>282130930
Sakiko is for Nyamu tho.

>>282130995
Nyamu is for Minami

>>282130269
name?

>>282131076
7 kakan gentei kanojo

>>282127911
so its the first time they kissed since that sunday?

>>282130881
>muh 3 days and 3 nights

>>282123213
>That is literally a circular definition, genius
No. Authors know when something is yuri and tag it as such.
>The author intend the work to reveal the yuri elements implicitly
Never happens.
>Implication is by it's definition cannot be 100% confirmed
Lapdog, I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish by spamming that blatantly untrue statement over and over.
An implicit statement is just as final as an explicit one. The only difference is that you need to know where to look. What you’re describing is a headcanon, not an implication.
>All you're doing is showing you have nothing better to do with your time
Oh the irony.

>>282131218
The only irony here is letting other anon's live rent free in your head because you can't win an argument from last time.

>authors know when something is yuri and tag it as such.
First of all, the genre I'm taking about existed before the yuri tag even existed, so it wouldn't be classified as that regardless. Second, not all works with lesbian romance are tagged are yuri and the claim was about lesbians being censored, not specially yuri.

>the author intend the work to reveal the yuri elements implicitly
I just gave you four examples.

>an implicit statement is just as final as an explicit one
What's final about the statement "I have to pick some things up"? Again, the implication is obvious, but it's not a final statement until you say "no, you can't borrow my car."

>ESL discussing semantic
STOP

>>282121952
Can you really say that a hobby is worth having if it doesn't at least make you a little crazy?

>>282131338
>ESL[s] discussing semantic[s]
Fixed that for you, anon.

>>282131296
You being here arguing 7/24 and telling people they have nothing better to do is very ironic.
Also, you have never won an argument in your life, lapdog.
>the genre I'm taking about existed before the yuri tag even existed
Which makes it not yuri.
>not all works with lesbian romance are tagged are yuri
Then they’re not yuri.
>the claim was about lesbians being censored, not specially yuri
No, the yuri genre is all anyone has ever been talking about here.
>I just gave you four examples.
Of authors retroactively confirming fan theories.
>What's final about the statement "I have to pick some things up"?
That the guy obviously can’t borrow your car since you need it. It absolutely is a final statement, retard.

My dear sisters, I am watching marimite for the first time and I am surprised these girls aren't more unhinged, it lacks some edge.

>>282131458
who could possibly be gazing at something like this?

>>282131508
Absolutely wild how for a while this was considered one of the craziest girls in yuri.

>>282131492
Maria-sama

>>282131422
>sisters
YWNBAW

>>282131396
True, I only lose arguments because I don't make enough delusional personal attacks. Definitely the sort of thing you resort to when you are winning the argument.

>which makes it not yuri
>then they’re not yuri
>the yuri genre is all anyone
This thread is about yuri, which is both a genre and element of works. An action series can have romance without being in the romance genre.

>of authors retroactively confirming fan theories
Plenty of those authors were yurifags themselves, but cute attempt to deflect.

>since you need it
Do you need it at the exact time on the weekend that he does? Again, the response could be a denial in that they will be using it all weekend, or it could be the person asking to go into more detail but when they need to use the car. Your errands might on Saturday while they need to borrow it on Sunday.

>>282131556
>tourist too new to know we're all little girls here

>>282131422
Enjoy, Anon. It's a classic.

>>282131422
Just stop after the first two seasons, or you're in for disappointment

>>282131508
>>282131578
nice ancient filenames

>>282131563
We're all depressed hairy men

>>282128588
Reminder that Ajisai and Mai are dating, which makes like 3 schizos seethe 24/7

>>282131616
I watched a few episodes of season 1 a while ago and based on that I assume there's no actual yuri. The MC's older sister was desperate for some guy after all.

>>282131711
Actually Ajisai mere existence drives schizos mad
See the fag that is still spamming about her imaginary bisexualness

>>282131563
>tourist too new to know this is a forced tumblr meme no actual oldfag ever supported

>>282131422
After you enjoyed Marimite, try Oniisama e then.

>>282131784
That meme is older than tumblr. Nice try tourist.

>>282131561
You lose arguments because your replies are off topic and only semantics faggotry because you’re trying to bore out people so they stop replying, because this somehow makes you feel like you won even though you stopped replying to the actual subject hours ago.
>This thread is about yuri, which is both a genre and element of works
Yuri genre and yuri element were created at the same time.
>attempt to deflect
where
Do you even know what deflecting means?
>Do you need it at the exact time on the weekend that he does?
Obviously, otherwise you wouldn’t have mentioned it.
>the response could be a denial in that they will be using it all weekend, or it could be the person asking to go into more detail but when they need to use the car
Yeah that’s what context is for

>>282131740
There is one admitted lesbian (its obvious which one), but the main pairing is eternal super friendship territory. Marimite is the "deep and intimate relationships between women" type. Thats what the author wanted to make, shoujo that didn't have girls having their lifes revolve around guys

>>282131820
It isn’t though
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22we’re%20all%20little%20girls%22/order/asc/
Only a few posts per year, likely by a select few people or one person, until 2011 which is exactly when tumblr invaded here.
What a coincidence.

What's the difference between the Avelilium Miyagi and the JP Miyagi? what about Senda?

>>282131892
>We're dead aside from a few ritual shitposts.
>And that's a good thing, imagine having shitposts AND legit discussion.

>>282131856
The archive doesn't go back to before tumblr existed. You coped by searching the exact phrase. And yet you still had to admit it was used before and not invented by tumblr (which didn't 'invade' in 2011 either).
Thats pretty goddamn pathetic, even for a larping tourist like you.

>>282131856
>no mention of "anime" before 2008
Clearly liking anime was a meme forced by tumblr.

>>282131892
Tldr it.

>>282131834
You're the one who brought up off-topic personal attacks. I haven't introduced any extraneous claims, either. I'm just responding to your own claims, some of which are literally arguing semantics, but it's okay when you do it apparently.

>yuri genre and yuri element were created at the same time
Romantic relationships between women existed before an entire genre dedicated to it was named. They also aren't the same thing.

>do you even know what deflecting means?
It's deflecting because you're original argument was the creator was a schizo and now they're sell-outs. You literally changed the direction of your entire argument.

>Yeah that’s what context is for
And the context only becomes clearer when more explicit information is added. But until then, it's still implicit.

>>282131964
I haven't been reading your day-long probably samefagging mating ritual, I just want to say Vampeerz is based.

>>282131972
Hard to believe the lolipire was thousands of years old and willing to die because she'd experienced everything life had to offer but had never experienced love or sex.

>>282131990
Nobody could compete with Japanese middle schooler folded a thousand times.

>>282131932
Archive goes back to 2008. So 0 mentions in 2008. And under one mention per month before 2011 means it obviously wasn’t a meme.
>tumblr (which didn't 'invade' in 2011 either)
See this is how everyone knows you’re a newfag. Tumblr invaded here in 2011/2012 mainly because of Madoka memes, since they were latching onto that show a lot. Which is why this is when you start seeing tumblr terms like "incel", "self inserter" or "hetfags" be used here. The archives are right here if you don’t believe me.

>>282131944
2008 is as far back as desuarchives go.

>>282131972
Posting Vampeerz without kisses is a huge waste though

>>282131892
>>282131915
I like it here more since I can post trans yuri without getting banned

>>282131972
>probably samefagging
If I wanted to argue just to beat down strawmen, I just talk to some braindead AI.

>>282132018
You should post it there, because unlike the seething you get here, you would actually get protected there.

>>282132007
>"self inserter"
People have been arguing if Shiro is a self-insert since Fate came out. Its not a tumblr term either. Retarded LARPer. You're too consumed by your buzzwords to even pretend well, especially since you aren't even using the correct boogieman for this.

>>282131807
I watched that. Indeed the girls were unhinged.
Bit mad the fate of the lesbians is either dead or found the right man to fix them.

>>282131964
Identifying someone isn’t a personal attack. I’m not using the fact that you’re lapdog as an argument. I’m just pointing out that it’s you and that you learn nothing from the arguments you have here. You are stuck in a loop saying the same things over and over even after they’ve been refuted.
>Romantic relationships between women existed before an entire genre dedicated to it was named
Yeah, and that doesn’t means it was yuri.
>It's deflecting because you're original argument was the creator was a schizo and now they're sell-outs
Both aren’t mutually exclusive.
>And the context only becomes clearer when more explicit information is added
Context is always provided for an implicit reveal. If there is not enough context to see the subtext then the subtext doesn’t exist.

>>282132046
I’m talking about the use of "self inserter" as a derogatory term for people who self insert in fiction (basically everyone). Questioning normalcy and making up words for it to claim they’re different is basically the entire basis of tumblr’s line of thoughts.
Self insert characters are another concept entirely, and originally it was only used to refer to characters seen as the author’s self insert (like Tori-bot).

>>282132087
>existed before an entire genre dedicated to it was named
>and that doesn’t means it was yuri
Many things existed long before we named them. See: every discovery in human history.

>>282132087
>I’m not using the fact that you’re lapdog as an argument. I’m just pointing out that it’s you and that you learn nothing from the arguments you have here. You are stuck in a loop saying the same things over and over even after they’ve been refuted.
Schizophrenic, you need to take a page from your superior and make a copy pasta bot for anyone to remember what retarded drivel you spazzed out about years ago

>>282132107
>I’m talking about the use of "self inserter" as a derogatory term for people who self insert in fiction
Thats the original use. It was invented as a insult towards "average everyman" protagonists, especially post-Kyon.
As before, you kniw absolutely nothing besides what other election tourists cope about.
>basically everyone
lol no But people like you are just as delusional as trannies about their mental illness.

>>282132114
Actually no, when the human brain identifies something, it makes a word for it.
But that’s beside the point since words for it existed, it just wasn’t called yuri.
Yuri specifically was created in an age where there was zero censorship against it. Which is why "yuri subtext" was never needed.

>>282132107
>basically everyone
Do troons and retards really?

Honestly three letters agency is better than these tards.

>>282132152
thank you mzk poster

>>282132107
I bet you post on /vg/

>>282131892
Watanare killed /u/

>>282132087
Whether I'm repeating something that has been said in the past in the past is irrelevant to whether the argument is correct or not. It's obviously an attempt to derail the conversation.

>yeah, and that doesn’t means it was yuri.
I never said it was yuri, I specifically called it as Class-S, but I don't know why you want to make the distinction when the claim was about lesbianism in Japan being censored, not a specific genre or what it was named. This was a tangent, you wanted to go down for some reason.

>both aren’t mutually exclusive
In regards to their stated motivation for something, they definitely can't be true at the same time. Also no evidence given for either claim.

>if there is not enough context to see the subtext then the subtext doesn’t exist.
That's incorrect because the person answering knows whether or not they'll be able to lend their car, even if they haven't made it clear to anyone else if they are able to by their actions.

>>282132141
>Thats the original use
By tumblr yes.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22self%20inserter%22/order/asc/
>election tourists
It’s so funny how you always out yourselves.
The tumblr period of 2012-2016 will never be representative of 4chan culture no matter how hard you want it to be, in fact, all actual oldfags agree that it was the worst era on this site.
>lol no
Actually yes. 99.999% of all media is aimed at so-called "self inserters". So clearly you’re the mentally ill one, not anyone else.

>>282132181
I legit hate the shit out of Watanare for being toxic yuri that brought a bunch of normalfags to the genre.

>>282132165
Don't mention it. I just like cute yuri.

>>282132205
Have you do feel about green manga?

>>282132153
>>282132173
No need to spam anon. Here >>282132199
Also /vg/ is a tranny shithole, you’d fit right in

>>282132207
Onimai best yuri

>>282132205
>Watanare
>toxic yuri
What?
>brought a bunch of normalfags to the genre
That's fair but it's inevitable if you want yuri to be more popular

>>282132189
>Whether I'm repeating something that has been said in the past in the past is irrelevant to whether the argument is correct or not
Unless it’s been refuted which it has.
>the claim was about lesbianism in Japan being censored
During the era where it was called yuri. Which is factually untrue.
>In regards to their stated motivation for something, they definitely can't be true at the same time
Yes they can. And both justify the author retroactively calling a straight series gay when nothing in it indicates that it is.
>That's incorrect because the person answering knows whether or not they'll be able to lend their car
Irrelevant, that’s just a misunderstanding.

HEY ITS ME GOKU AND DID YOU KNOW I GOT AN ENTIRE LIST OF THE DOX OF THE JANNIES FOR THIS WEBSITE?

https://files.catbox.moe/cyobbj.txt

DID YOU ALSO KNOW ITS SUPER CHEAP AND EASY TO MAKE A MOLOTOV AND THE CHANCES OF YOU GETTING AWAY WITH ARSON ARE OVERWHELMINGLY HIGH?

>>282132205
Back to /u/ faggot

>>282132199
>tries to hide self-insert dating back to 2008 by changing the search
What a pathetic lying insect you are

>>282132181
Watanare was the perfect proof that /u/fags very much didn't like to talk about actual yuri

>>282132199
Post 10/11 was the Chanology and Gamergate flood. It had nothing to do with tumblr, newfag.

>>282132199
>all the other larping election tourists agree with me
I bet. Because they are coping about the fact that they are normalfags who will never ever belong here.

>>282132199
>headcanon
>no u
I accept your concession turbo retard, no wonder you're so buck broken trying to self insert into reading fucking Yuri lmao, would you have a meltdown about your cock reading Yuri and yaoi back to back?

>>282132265
What

>>282132282
No, that wasn’t before a few years. And tumblrtards were the ones siding with the feminists in gamergate.

>>282132298
I’m talking about actual oldfags who have experienced endless eight with /a/ for example. Early 2010s retards are the most cancerous generation of posters.

>>282132303
Who are you quoting?

>>282132282
>Gamergate
The irony here is, that the looking down and insults for people who like self-inserts came from the gamergate tourists who hated otakus just like the "tranime" spam of his fellow election tourists.

>>282132312
Yuri?

>>282132319
>No, that wasn’t before a few years
Chanology was before 2011, retard. And just because we also hate journos, doesn't mean the crying normalfags that came here after being kicked out everywhere else welcome.

>>282132337
No, it came from tumblr. Look at the link I posted and see what kind of people used it.
"Tranime" retards aren’t knowledgeable enough about the genre to identify how self inserting is part of it.

>troon schizo now desperately trying to larp as an oldfag
Melty incoming

>>282132359
>Chanology was before 2011
Which makes it completely irrelevant
If anything anonymous shit helped gatekeep the site by making normalfags scared of it
>crying normalfags that came here after being kicked out everywhere else
But that’s what this website is, it’s for outcasts that can’t fit in anywhere else. If you can post on other sites why even come here?

>>282132385
>chanology helped gatekeep
Holy new and retarded

Are there any good yuri where the girls are into ass stuff?

>>282132243
Weird how you can't refute it now despite being done so in the past.

>during the era where it was called yuri
>>282117951
When did you move that net? But that's still not true given how a VA was censored in 2022 for saying two girls were married in G-Witch.

>both justify the author retroactively calling a straight series gay when nothing in it indicates that it is.
You almost certainly haven't watched any of those series to make that determination (given how you don't argue on any of the specifics), but it's clear that you're just using whatever bullshit excuse, again with no evidence presented, to justify it and shifting positions in bad faith. If a creator cares about pleasing fans, then he doesn't genuinely hold a belief like a crazy person would.

>that’s just a misunderstanding
You misunderstanding something doesn't negate the other person's intentions, which is what subtext/implication is all about.

>>282110679 (OP)
Gray Fox Yuri

>>282132385
Gay fake masks shit certainly did not help us gatekeep you dumb fucking newfag. Kill yourself.
>it’s for outcasts that can’t fit in anywhere else
Its for people to freely discuss their interests, not your faggy hugbox to flee to because other sites can effectively vam you for being a obnoxious faggot.
Of course that concept eludes you, because culture war brainrot on twitter is your only interest.

>>282132387
>>282132413
None of you were here at the time. Stop pretending.
>Its for people to freely discuss their interests
Without censorship and rules that pander to extroverted normalfags yes.

>>282132385
Not only are you too new, but apparently also too underage to know what we are talking about.

>>282132408
Gray Fox?

I have a feeling this tourist has zero interest in talking about yuri

>>282132395
I constantly refute you which is why you keep changing the subject.
>>>282117951
Notice the present tense.
>that's still not true given how a VA was censored in 2022 for saying two girls were married in G-Witch
Yeah surely that’s because she talked about lesbians and not because it obviously isn’t a VA’s job to make statements about canon.
>You almost certainly haven't watched any of those series to make that determination
The fact that you’re using them as examples of "yuri subtext" is enough for me to know that there is zero yuri in it, I’ve seen what your kind uses that term for.
>You misunderstanding something doesn't negate the other person's intentions
But something being unclear does impact how it is written. A plot point that is unresolved due to the writer’s incompetence is still unresolved, even if he intended to resolve it.

>>282132391
Not in the sense you mean, sadly.

Delusional self inserting newfags and brainlet schizophrenic retards should kys, ty

>>282132435
Projection

>>282132391
All I know is that she's into legs

the yuri to surpass ____

>>282132498
>>282132505
>one minute apart
Gonna have a little meltdown retard?

>>282132507
>>282132521
>one minute apart
uh oh

Watanare will save the next thread

they will save the next thread.

>>282132504
>self inserting newfags
Oxymoron
Only newfags single out the people who self insert
>brainlet schizophrenic retards
So you
>should kys
esl

>>282122249
>>282132527
>completely losing it and starting to mass tag
There you go my little retarded newfag lolcow, was that so hard?

>>282132498
When have I changed the subject? I give examples to illustrate my point rather than you who just asserts everything with no proof.

>it obviously isn’t a VA’s job to make statements about canon.
VAs make statements about things that happen in a show all the time. It also was canon because the director confirmed it in the BD box, so she wasn't contradicting anything.

>"yuri subtext" is enough for me to know that there is zero yuri in it, I’ve seen what your kind uses that term for
Then go argue with them. I literally posted the director saying the series has yuri elements and the other series I mentioned have on-screen marriages, so that's clearly not in question here.

>a plot point that is unresolved due to the writer’s incompetence is still unresolved
If there's a plot point, then by definition, the author intended for the yuri subtext to exist.

>>282132550
Why are all yuritards so fucking mentally ill?
Obergefell is getting overturned btw

>>282132487
He wants to talk about how much he dislikes it. All day.
I cannot imagine a more miserable way to live than he does.

new thread doko

>>282132564
What happened to one last (you) poor little esl newfag that can't even figure out what kys means

>>282132555
Forgot my image.

>>282132564
>Obergefell
>starts breaking down and ranting about his 3dpd shit as if anyone here cares
lmao
Gonna spam your epic twitter screencaps next kiddo?

>>282132547
we are in a YURI thread
theres no place for you to self insert you fucking dumb male

>>282132593
True, only tranny males self-insert into yuri.

>>282132517
Kannazuki no Miko. One day it will appear.
Nothing will ever beat Candy Boy though.

>>282132555
The argument looks nothing like it originally was because you keep changing the subject.
>VAs make statements about things that happen in a show all the time
Usually not direct ones.
>It also was canon because the director confirmed it in the BD box
Clearly whoever censored her didn’t know that.
>I literally posted the director saying the series has yuri elements and the other series I mentioned have on-screen marriages
How is it subtext if there’s on screen marriages?
>If there's a plot point, then by definition, the author intended for the yuri subtext to exist
No. I don’t know why you keep saying that subtext is an unresolved plot point, those are two completely different things.

>>282132593
First of all I don’t need a designated male mc to self insert
Second, all that means is that yurifags are abnormal for not self inserting, so clearly if anyone is mentally ill it’s you

>>282132483
Why did they have to fuck it up bros?

>>282132626
It's more abnormal to be a delusional like you, actually.

>>282132517
Kitakawa. But in truth it will never be surpassed.

>>282132652
>a delusional
esl
And what am I being delusional about?

>>282132672
You are too ugly to get a wife and harem.is not real, you delusional shit.

>>282132608
How? We're still arguing about whether yuri subtext exists and whether lesbianism is censored in Japan. The only thing that has changed are the examples.

>clearly whoever censored her didn’t know that
You don't know that. In fact, they made a clarifying statement later on rather than reversing it, despite knowing what the director thought, so it seems pretty clear what the intention is.

>How is it subtext if there’s on screen marriages?
Because in the three later examples, they were subtext before they became explicit. In one: you saw them living together and sleeping in the same bed, getting jealous over another girl trying to flirt with them, etc. before it was revealed that they got married. I specifically use examples like this because I don't want to get bogged down in arguing whether about the author's intentions for a specific series.

>I don’t know why you keep saying that subtext is an unresolved plot point,
Subtext is the author's intentions. So by definition, an unresolved plot point would be a kind of subtext because the author intended to write more. But you don't know if the author wanted an unresolved plot point.

>>282132517
Shuukura. But we know nothing will ever surpass it.

>>282132626
You're the retard who sees manga about only women and think your ugly ass belongs in it. Meds.

>>282132517
Yagakimi

>>282132672
You're delusional about your intelligence and usefulness of any of your thoughts, your ability to debate anything properly, your knowledge of what old 4chan culture is, your grasp of the English language, and the fact that you've always needed medication.

>>282131990
The end is gay, and not in a good way. Blemish on an otherwise perfect manga.
Conformity ends larping as philosophical or nihilistic need to die, fucking nips. No, you're not writing some profound wisdom, you're just being a good jpgoy who'd saw off his own leg if he lived in a country of one legged people.

New Teren chart just dropped.

>>282132748
That's just every yuri

>>282132699
>3DPD argument
>not called out by other posters
But I thought I was the normalfag/newfag/tourist?
Also projection

>>282132720
Anime girls are for waifuing and fucking anon

>>282132782
Looks like more projection, why do you think making shit up about people is an argument?

>>282128036
Very rare Love Live yuri in a yuri thread

>>282132815
>projection
>he literally said he likes self-insert more
you're weird.

>>282132582
>>282132815
How is it so easy to bait you, newfag esl schizo, you just can't help yourself can you?

>>282132815
>Anime girls are for waifuing and fucking anon
Get lost you fucking trash male.
How is it possible for so called "anime fans" to have so little respect for this media. Your no better than tikitok shonentards.

>>282132709
>You don't know that
I can take a guess considering explicit gay shit in anime was never a problem for them.
>they were subtext before they became explicit
This is also one of the things you spam despite it already being debunked, lapdog. An unresolved plot point isn’t subtext. It’s just an unresolved plot point. "Something that was subtext before being confirmed" does not exist, as subtext is a confirmation.
>Subtext is the author's intentions
Subtext requires the author’s intention to be there, but it can be identified without knowing the author’s intentions.
An unresolved plot point can’t be subtext because subtext is an answer, not a question.

>>282132852
>thinks projection and self inserting are the same thing
LOL
If anything, the schizos who call all anime girls gay are the ones projecting.

>>282132860
Waifuing an anime girl is objectively more respectful towards her than shipping her with another girl

I don't understand why any of you are still entertaining this retard.

>>282132484
FFFFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOXXXXXXX

>>282132905
I don't think imagining you have a wife makes you a good person, anon.

>>282132905
Why are you even here?

>>282132391
"is my hobby weird?" but it's only good for one chapter

>>282132947
>doubles down on 3DPD normalfag shit
>doesn’t get called out by any other yurifag this time either
Yuritards are newfags lol

>>282132969
To make fun of you

>>282131892
Let me guess, that idolfucker made the thread with idolshit/yuribait in the OP

>>282132880
>I can take a guess considering explicit gay shit in anime was never a problem for them
Who is them? Gundam has never had a lesbian couple in it before.

>an unresolved plot point isn’t subtext
>subtext requires the author’s intention to be there
I don't see why you're so hung up on this. The difference between an unresolved plot point and the fan delusion is literally the subtext. If the author didn't intend to put it there, then there is no "unresolved plot point".

None of the examples I listed earlier would count as unresolved either because they happened on-screen. Their relationship didn't change either, so the plot didn't change. It's also non-sensical because the point of a yuri subtext is that the author establishes them as a couple and doesn't change their relationship. Their is no plot to resolve like in the case of a one-sided crush that goes nowhere (which isn't an example of yuri subtext).

If you retards are from /u/ why do you even crosspost here to talk about the exact same thing you talk about on /u/? Genuine question

Cut meidos salary by 75%.

>>282133017
>Who is them?
Higher ups.
And don’t you guys constantly spam about how Gundam was always gay lol.
>The difference between an unresolved plot point and the fan delusion is literally the subtext
That’s like saying "the difference between a turtle and a pizza is a car". Your statement is nonsensical. Those are three separate things. Yes unresolved plot point can lead to fan theories, but subtext cannot, as it gives an answer.

>esl hours
>schizo meltdown
Never fails

>>282133046
>meido
Either a /jp/ or /vt/ crossposter

Not sure why you fags still waste your time with that frog, just rape and impregnate him.

>>282132799

>masterpiece
>excellent
>good
>average
>flawed
>bad
>garbage
>terenmikami

when a single word exposed everything

>>282133059
>don’t you guys constantly spam about how Gundam was always gay lol
No? Gundam hasn't had any yuri.

>ignores the rest of the post about most of the examples of implicit couples would not count as a unresolved plot point
Imagine you make a story about a guy and girl living together, going out to eat, and generally doing other leisure activities together. It's pretty obvious that they are implicitly a couple, that's the subtext. But if the work ends without the series ever clarifying if they are a couple by kissing/having a kid/getting married/etc. it's not an unresolved plot point because establishing their relationship was never part of plot of the series.

Plus, you keep saying that subtext is the answer, but it's an answer that only the author only knows for certain unless they make it clear, either in the story itself or in an interview. No one can know your intentions until you do something or vocalize them. In the above example, even though it's pretty obvious the girl and guy are together, the author could have intended for them to be just friends, which means there is no romantic subtext.

>>282133116
>impregnate him
geez, you didn’t have to make the fact that this is a tranny thread even more obvious than it already was

>>282132973
So you're saying that you'll stay single forever? Good for you then

>>282133249
>implicit couples
Not a thing.
And yes if the nature of a relationship isn’t revealed then it’s an unresolved plot point.
>it's an answer that only the author only knows for certain unless they make it clear
Just like all reveals. You’re supposed to make it clear if you’re a good writer.

>>282133249
Well, Gundam has yuri, now you know.

>>282133263
Can’t be single if you have a waifu, anon. You would know this if you weren’t a tourist.
You in the meantime will keep getting off to watching other people having sex forever, so as to not be a, uh, "self inserter".

>>282133303
Anon, just go outside.

Gundam is yuri though

>>282133282
>not a thing
Because you say so? If subtext is what the author intended, an the author intends to make a couple, but doesn't make it explicit, then it exists.

>f the nature of a relationship isn’t revealed then it’s an unresolved plot point.
>just like all reveals. you’re supposed to make it clear if you’re a good writer.
By that logic, all subtext is bad and you should never leave anything unsaid. All characters should explain their motivations. But whether it is not good writing or not doesn't change the underlying nature of what it is.

>>282133295
I was talking about before G-Witch.

>>282133323
We know, Suletta. So stop crying.

>>282133323
male gaze

>>282133308
Kill yourself tourist nobody wants to interact with your kind

>>282133387
Ironic

>>282133402
ACK didn't even appear in this thread though.

>>282133370
suletta* gaze

>>282133343
>If subtext is what the author intended, an the author intends to make a couple, but doesn't make it explicit, then it exists
But this never happens.
>By that logic, all subtext is bad and you should never leave anything unsaid
Subtext doesn’t leave anything unsaid. It says things implicitly.

>>282133493
I gave you an example to start at the beginning. I can give plenty more though. See pic related.

>subtext doesn’t leave anything unsaid
Subtext can't say anything because subtext is the meaning behind your literal words.

>>282133604
No, nothing you presented implicitly confirms a relationship.
>Subtext can't say anything because subtext is the meaning behind your literal words
?
How does that prevent it from having things to say retard

I only enjoy hypertext yuri, maintext yuri can’t satisfy me anymore.

>>282133415
He did

>>282133615
The implicit confirmations happened in the show itself. I referenced the authors' words to prove that this was their intention. But you can see from series itself what's being implied. The characters lie down in the same bed, get naked, and then later on are shown to putting their clothes back on. The obvious implication being that they fucked in the time between.

>how does that prevent it from having things to say retard
Because subtext is dependent on the speaker. It doesn't exist independently of them.

>>282133664
Looks like Watanare trending on xitter scared him off, kek.

>>282133722
He would just say it's botted likes.

>>282133712
uh theres plenty of reasons 2 girls can be naked on a bed together
its your headcanon they had sex

>>282133478
>t. me waiting for Mahoako hiatus to end

>>282133712
>The implicit confirmations happened in the show itself
What is it?
If they’re sleeping together naked with nothing justifying them getting naked then it’s obvious what the author was going for and I wouldn’t call that subtext, just not showing NSFW stuff on tv. Subtext is something that is hidden and usually requires multiple watches and/or some thought to find. This is literally the first thing you think of when you see two characters get naked to sleep together (unless another reason is provided)
>subtext is dependent on the speaker
And? Everything in a story is.

>>282133867
It's by definition subtext because you don't see them fuck on-screen. That's only heavily implied.

>requires multiple watches and/or some thought to find
You need to be paying attention because each part of the confirmation happens across multiple chapters.

>everything in a story is.
The difference is that there are some things the author makes explicit and other things the other makes implicit. A couple or sex scene can be one of those things.

>>282133998
>It's by definition subtext because you don't see them fuck on-screen
But you see them get ready for it. You don’t really need to do much digging through the text to see it. I wouldn’t call that subtext.
>there are some things the author makes explicit and other things the other makes implicit
And that doesn’t change anything to the fact that both require the author’s intention.

>>282134128
You see them flop onto a bed together. Is that enough proof that something naughty happened? Even I wouldn't go that far.

>that doesn’t change anything to the fact that both require the author’s intention
The author's intention is not what's in question. It's the nature of what makes something explicit/implicit.

>>282134207
You said they got naked for this though.
>It's the nature of what makes something explicit/implicit
The nature is simply the fact that subtext isn’t told directly but is confirmed implicitly instead.
Usually things that are told through subtext are side plot points that aren’t very important and are left to subtext as an artistic choice. And it absolutely isn’t something you just detect immediately on your first watch.