>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://fantasticanachronism.com/2025/03/20/how-to-be-good-at-dating/
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33357010 (OP)
Get a skill.
A skill gives you confidence.
Confidence gets you women.

It’s that simple.

>>33357026
Brother I have multiple , and got only 4 bodies there is no confidence for your face :)

>>33357139
4 girls disagreed

>>33357139
I said a skill. Not four.

>>33357144
Trust me not even close to Stacie's mostly 6/10 that are non fat...

>>33357010 (OP)
The older I get, the more I realize you just have to take it.

>be me, student at the Defense Language Institute
>im extremely extroverted
>half the school knows me
>i talk to any and everyone, even authority figures
>randomly scream "您好" outside a canteen on a tuesday
>this girl says hello
>go in the canteen to scan my ID, about to rejoin the line outside shes been looking at me
>mind you im like 3 inches shorter than her
>go up to her
>start saying random shit
>she goes "is there a reason why youre telling me this?"
>i go "no reason, i just tell everyone this"
>more conversation later
>i go "fine you can smell it off of me can i add you on MICROSOFT TEAMS"
>she says yes
>more conversation
>we talk a bunch over text
>i send her a screenshot of me asking chatgpt how to ask her out
>it works, good for sunday!
>we exchange like 1000 text messages between tuesday and sunday, she likes mma, has a bachelors in neuroscience
>the much awaited sunday arrives
>in the morning decide to go to the store and buy foundation (makeup) and put it on my face
>look like a fucking retard
>the stores close to her dormitory
>decide to fucking hang out at a smoke pit (to be fair i was talking with three guys there) close to her dormitory
>randomly see her
>me: "hey name! Are you busy? "
>her: "yes i have to do x, y and z, what are you doing here?"
>me: "oh i just thought id be close by because i thought we were gonna meet today!"
>her: "well im busy and dont do that shit again"
>i send an apology text the day after
>she says im a cool person etc she appreciates the apology but shes not interested in getting to know me further

Wtf was i thinking???? How do i stop being a creep? A close friend of mine said i just got too excited

>>33357010 (OP)
How do I even give enough of a shit about women
I can't even smile at them anymore
Every time I learn more about dating or keeping relationships makes want to spend even less time talking or even looking at them then I already do

>>33357159
anon, no

>>33357200
When I hear them talk freely around me I realize they are worse humans than any guy group so many BP moments at my workplace, brutal stuff

>>33357200
>>33357238
They've become so much worse over the last few years. Tik Tok has basically ingrained them all with a false confidence, narcissism, and socially acceptable hatred of men.

>>33357279
The way they talk about my lesser good looking college is disgusting he is also a lurker here. Man 0 humanity

At 28 years old after successfully "picking up" several women and getting sex right after a date multiple times I'm ashamed it took me this long to realize women want sex too and have the same sexual urges men do.

So much time wasted. I look back on so many interactions with women in my past where I now recognize she wanted to have sex and I just had to seduce her a bit more.

>>33357186
>i go "fine you can smell it off of me can i add you on MICROSOFT TEAMS"
schizo?

I think thighs are going well
>we went out to eat in Thurs (she invited me) and had a nice time and conversation at dinner
>went out last night and had a drink and she brought these cards with questions on them that we answered to get to know each other better and it was actually pretty fun and a good idea, held hands and talked about previous relationships and holy crap she looked so cute
>a lot of our goals and views align with each other
>said that she's seen my place so I asked her if I could see hers and she invited me to a game night with her friends on Thursday and said I can see her place then because they live across the street from her
>saw her after church today and she invited me to lunch with her friends to tallying 3 times together in 4 days
I think I'm in a good spot. I was wondering if she still was interested because our texting slowed down but I think she just doesn't text a ton. I'm going to play it cool and look forward to Thursday night, inviting me to see her place seems like a step in the right direction too. Wish me luck bros

>>33357860
>I think thighs are going well
Thighs, you say?

You all need to stop thinking the negatives about women. Women aren't secretly against you. They just are going about their lives like anyone else. It is terrible for your view of reality and your mental health that they are as negative as you think. They actually are much much more positive than you think. It just is they are bit more soft-spoken, sensitive, and shy at times. That doesn't mean assume you can get them, but know they are on your side.

>>33358097
I don't think women are secretly against me, they're openly against me. But luckily women are very stupid and malleable so I can still convince some of them to suck my penis.

>>33357906
her thighs did look really good in her pants yesterday thoughbeit.

>>33357156
Non-fat 6/10s doesn't sound bad though.

i just want to know what kind of person she is, obviously she's dead

here's one of my favorite things to try on a girl you just met, if you're trying to feel her out and see how receptive she is to physical contact or further flirting

get just a bit too close to her, like whatever is considered a normal comfortable distance PLUS three inches or so, just enough where you might think you're too close. if over the next few minutes you notice she moves away slightly (women can be really discreet about this so watch carefully) then she's probably not into you enough yet. but if she stays put, she might even move away but will always come back to the same distance YOU set, then she's gonna be more receptive to physical escalation.

free game for you incel ass niggas.

I had a girl love bomb me after matching. We did get together and fuck once and it was incredibly hot, but I was overwhelmed and ghosted her after. Would it be a mistake to make contact and apologize?

>>33358097
That sounds just like what
>THEY
want you to think

>>33357156
Ok, and what's your rating then?
If you're a regular guy, not a chad yourself but also not fat, then 6/10s are exactly the level you're meant to operate at. If not higher.

>>33357156
So? What's your rating then anon?
If you're a regular guy, IE not a Chad yourself but also not fat, those 6/10s should sound pretty good because that's exactly the level you're meant to operate at.
(If not lower...)

>Message girl I know from collegue on IG, trying to chat about recent exams
>She sets her account to private
Should I just give up approaching women at this point?

>>33359125
insta is a bit extreme no? i don't even use it because it basically means "see me in 5 minutes"

>>33359151
I don't know at this point what apps are appropiate or not, man. It always ends in the same results for me.

I was walking with a friend down some steep stairs who was helping a girl with a bike who came out of nowhere

I made a funny joke that she laughed at and she goes "it helps when I have two handsome guys to help me" and looked at me and smiled - I just half smile and let the silence sit which I think was a fuck up cause then she was like "you know I think I got it from here guys" , IN MY DEFENSE - these stairs were steep AF, we were already winded so I had to look down to watch my step but I didn't make eye contact with her after she said that

We made a bit of small talk after the weather or whatever , my friend was doing all the heavy lifting with the bike so when we got to the bottom , I hung back and walked slowly so they could just deal with each other

They shook hands and introduced each other and she looked at me (neutral expression, as if "are you gonna come down?") and I just said "haha he did everything, its all good" and I waved her off

Now if she pedaled off who fucking cares, but what she did next, she took a fucking photo of me on the damn stairs ???

WTF just happened ? Did I just get marked as a creep?

>>33359171
did you talk to her in person before that

>>33359259
You acted needlessly awkward. The picture is weird, though.

>>33359269
Yeah, we talked.

>>33359310
thats what gets me , like I understand I fucked up , but why would you take a picture?

Need some help
I've been going out with this girl for six months already and it's been ok, but very recently I was contacted by my "ex" (we weren't officially in a relationship)
She texted me and told me she was very sorry we were not able to be in an actual relationship. At the time she had recently been cheated on and said it was too soon to start a new relationship which I thought it was understandable, but I decided to keep some distance because I had some very deep feelings and if we were not going to be in a relationship, I preferred to part ways.
The message she sent me caught me completely off guard and I feel as if my feelings for her have been reignited
Now I'm with a new girl and I adore her but I haven't been able to shake the feeling that I want to see my ex again, this feeling in turn makes me sick because even though I haven't done anything "wrong" I still feel like a two timing bastard just because I'm considering the idea of going back to her
I have no idea what to do

friendly reminder not to post in here, there is a kike that will doxx you and when I find that motherfucker

everything this general purports to provide can actually be obtained 100x better from youtube, there is no reason to even use this shit-hole

>>33359531
Why did you break up in the first place?
>>33360414
>>33360434
Ok

>>33360434
most people here have 0 experience or just go on tinder dates with bpd whores. it's terrible for relationship advice or not being a degenerate

>>33359259
Men are not vanishing, they are retreating. From relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness - but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody, and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens. Everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable. And if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is. In the dark. Without distortion. Without irony. Without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges. And where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire: visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

What does the touch of a woman's hand feel like?

>>33361442
Like a mans hand but softer smaller, slender and delicate.

So I went on a second date with this girl. first date i payed for everything, drinks first then dinner. Second date i paid for drinks, and then she wanted some ice cream but paid for this herself, she was ordering before me. afterwards the date went downhill and only after I found out it was because I should have paid for the ice cream too. is that really fucked up or am I out of touch or something? also, first date i drove her from her home and back, second date i drove her to the station, which is completely normal and safe transport in my town, but apparently that was a no-no too, i should have offered to drive her. despite all of that bullshit we still went to bed together. mixed signals all over the place.

am i the asshole here or what? i think first date, guy pays, fine, but second you split or whatever?

>>33360434
Thats because you autists show no gratitude for good advices in these threads. Which dries up the initiative from the experience anons.

Even /fit/ feels bar is more rewarding.

Finding a match takes almost as long as finding a Tekken 8 match, shit sucks.
Should I go the IRL route instead? I never asked a woman and I am a month from becoming a wizard.

>>33362333
Did she tell you that?

>>33362333
All she did was complain and then went to bed with you, if you have any self respect you know what u should do (not the asshole to me though)

>>33362977
it was obvious she was upset about something. only later but she did yeah.

>>33363042
>if you have any self respect you know what u should do
maybe i don't - what should i do?

>>33363059
dip before u get too attached

>>33363136
thanks bro
i already did. even though she got her hooks into me pretty bad, pretty torn up about it

she apparently expects me to buy everything because "I'm better off", and since "i have a car" i should also drive her everywhere

objectively pretty easy situation but when the girl is hot AF...
made it out in one piece, but it still eats at me and i'm tempted to message her to take it back and try again
fuck

>>33357010 (OP)
the women in the OP pics for these threads have gotten really mid lately. Even sub-mid. They used to be hot

>>33363149
You clearly did some self reflection after those dates, it's good that you made the right choice even though you're considering messaging her again. Unless she brings something valuable to the table other than her looks I wouldn't reach out again, she sounds entitled and manipulative so you'll be better moving on. Time heals

OK guys, I'm going to only text my girl when we're making plans for dates/going out with friends. I'll see how it goes.

>>33363186
god bless you anon
she played some insane push-pull on me, first intimate kisses, then she acts upset for no reason, freezes me out, stays on her phone, single word answers
then switch again, caressing me, sucking on my fingers, tongue into ear
insane shit

>>33363223
crazy shitfest, she made sure to keep you guessing to have an easier time asking you for favors, take care of yourself anon

>>33362511
only real option unless 10/10 gigachad imho
online dating is depressing AF
our only choice is to man up and say hi
but in a non-autistic/non-PUA way ofc. creating situations where it is okay. or just start with small talk. not "wow ur so hot wanna go out with me"

>>33363258
in the words of the great pink pantheress "if you want sex with me, come talk to me"

>>33363256
yeah. be careful anons who you meet with...

last words after my "it's not working out for me"
>if that's what you want
>yeah i think i'm expecting something you can't give me, or don't know how to do
yeah okay... but at least i made it out alive

Even AI told me to run, LMFAO
guess it wasn't wrong

>>33363268
it do be like that i guess

>>33363269
ridiculous statement, glad you're alive, I hope you dont give in to your temptation to text her again

>>33363297
no bro, it hurt like a son of a bitch but i think i'm through the worst
thanks kind anon

How do I become more attentive and make more funny remarks when talking with women?

are women who make short eye contact with you attracted to you or why do they do this?
i don't mean repeated eye contact or stares, just once or twice look into the eyes, no smiling or anything else.

>>33363639
It has to be at least 5 seconds, the longest a girl has looked at me was 30 seconds close to my face

>>33361179

What does this have to do with my stairs post?

>>33363509
By talking to women

You all I recently learned to enjoy being alone, and ya'know it is a good feeling and now I am ready to date. The good news about this is that I do not feel crushed if I get dumped on anymore okay. I have told you all a lot be happy being alone first before you date. It will save yourself a lot.

>>33364797
where do I go to talk to women?

>>33364838
I've met a bunch on dating apps

>>33360803
>Why did you break up in the first place?
Because I didn't want to keep falling in love with someone who wasn't available for me

>>33357010 (OP)
day 3 of asking decent looking women if they want to be my gf (local town fiesta)
>2 disgusted looks
>~4 neutral no's
>1 interested + smiling, talked for a while, ended in no
>1 interested + laughing, talked for a while, ended in no. BUT got compliments on my approach demeanor and technique
>1 phone number, proper date tomorrow

>>33363191
ok so did this, she texted me this morning apologizing that she didn't text me details about plans for Thursday sooner and asked how my week was going lol

>talk to girl I regularly talk to while walking my dog
>around noon, ask her if she wants to hang out sometime
>she says she's open to the idea
>I ask to add her on snapchat, she gives me her @
>she adds me back two days later (today)
>tells me she was busy

Is this a bad sign?

>>33366722
>Snapchat

>>33366727
my instagram looks even worse

Is there a non corny ass way to swipe up on a instagram story I know I’m never gonna come across this girl in person unfortunately and as a catholic im not gonna do some bullshit like “neighbors heard barking and thought i got a dog”

>>33366837
Just ask girls for their number bro, don't play these bullshit social media games

>>33367314
what's wrong with snapchat? it's just a messaging platform right?

>ask girl out last November
>get politely rejected because she's super busy (she genuinely was though, it was near the end of the semester and she was going through govt security clearances)
>squallwhatever.png
>we chat a few times at the gym now and then, but then she gets abruptly cold/ignoring me so I stop trying
>flash forward a few months to yesterday
>see her at the gym, she greets me and stops to have a conversation with me and is way more friendlier than usual
>I had to end the conversation because I needed to go soon

Should I look into this as a sign, or should I just mark this up as her being in a good mood?

>>33367432
She's checking if you're still on her leash. If you immediately start simping like a puppy she will lose interest. Make her work for your attention now.

>>33367622
What classifies as simping? I'm organizing a trip to the opera with a group of friends in a couple of weeks and one friend bailed so I have an extra ticket. The thought of inviting her has crossed my mind.

>>33357010 (OP)
where am i even suppose to meet women?

>>33367888
church

>>33367915
My mom says this too, but it sure seems like it's mostly guys who go to church and then they get a girlfriend somewhere else and start bringing her to church. Among the mid-20's, there's like 5 single guys and 1 single girl at my church. Everyone else is coupled.

>>33367927
>>33367915
I met the girl I'm seeing at church. 3 months and I'm retarded go-goo-ga-gaa over her

>>33367763
I dont know. Personally I wouldn't ask her out directly anymore until she really shows interest/flirting and suggests "hanging out sometime" first.

>>33357010 (OP)
I've just discovered this thread randomly and been reading the nice guy book. I have a good time reading it, though I think I have a problem with people in general, not just women. I'm not sure if I would consider myself a nice guy but there are some traits that I see in me (being cautious about what I'm talking about, hiding stuff about me that I think might alienate people, caring a lot about what other people think of me). I was curious, can AI help me overcome social problem? I have a problem of finding "safe people" to talk to. I thought talking to an AI might be a first step to build some confidence. Did it work for anyone?

>>33368713
AI is a sycophant. If you act gloomy, it will give you protective responses. If you act excited, it will give you encouraging responses. Don't overuse it.

>>33368727
yeah, that's what I was afraid of. I'm not sure how serious I can take it if I know it just says what I want to hear.

>>33367927
The churches I go to always have more single girls than men, so there's always a girl wanting to hook up with me.

>>33357186
>How do i stop being a creep?

Drop the whole class clown act theatrics, duh. You don't need to do eyverthing in a weird and "special" way. You can just ask girls for a meet like you would any buddy of yours, no need to fag around.

>>33362511
>Should I go the IRL route instead?

Dating apps are giga kiked, everyon e remotely normal left already and the attractive woman to men ratio is worse than a Yugi-Oh convention.
In short, yes.

>>33368713
I remember quitting both no more mr nice guy and the models book because they seemed full of strawman arguments and very low intelligence text.

>>33367888
It's impossible in person in the year 2025

A girl told me my lips were perfect and did a bunch of Freudian slips about my body. It's a good day.

Giving up is sadder than losing.

So I went on two dates with a girl and I've been talking to her regularly over text, no physical intimacy at all happened so far. What do I do now? Idk if I want to date her, she's kinda fat but she goes to the gym regularly so that's a good sign. I saw a pic of her from 2022 and she was way fatter back then. She looks slightly better in pictures than in real life, but I hope in a few years she'll look much better cause of the gym. We're both 21 so if I don't find a gf soon I'll be alone forever, should I just go after this girl? We get along pretty well, and she said she paused her hinge account after matching with me so I think that might be a good sign.

Would any of you ladies want this grandma approved freshly high functioning autistic blueberry pie that was made before she died? This is her best one she got right this time.

>>33368342
Yeah that makes sense. She already knows I'm interested. It might also be odd to invite her to a group evening trip with 8 people she doesn't really know beyond two run-ins because we had mutual friends who have since moved away. She seems extroverted enough for it though. Fuck I don't know. Probably shouldn't, but I still want to.

Is it gross if I’m attracted to 18-23 year old woman as a 30 year old man? People today call this wrong, but I personally don’t think it is

>>33371420
there's a huge gap in maturity between 18 and 23 imo, so 18-30 is different than 23-30.

That said there are immature 23 year olds.

>>33371456
Idc about maturity I’m talking about fucking them and dating the ones who like slightly older men

How do I stop myself from texting my slutty ex? Crazy but I miss her pussy

>>33372565
Delete and block her on everything. You don't want her back. You just think you do.

I think the thread is slow because anons are getting women?

>>33373120
Yeah that was my fault, I haven't been on these threads in a couple of days.

Should I break up with my qt white gf in order to pursue a prime, hot as fuck black girl

Please respond

>>33371420
no. they pay taxes and can buy a gun, they're legal, ignore them

what do we think about this channel

https://www.youtube.com/@distinguishedliving/videos

How do u stop being insecure about a girls body count? I want to have a normal romantic dating life but I’m so insecure most girls have been w so many other guys before me. And before you say "just find a virgin" that's like 1% of women and not realistic.

>>33374781
realize that almost all women now are just straight up whores so it doesn't matter, they're all the same

>>33357156
lol if you live in america not fat is instantly a stacy it's brutal out here

>>33357026
doesn't matter nor change anything, lol

>Meet girl online and agree that we’d be just friends and prob never meet up even though we live close because she doesn’t want to
>We agree we’re both attracted to eachother and begin flirting, sexting even though it would never result in meeting up
>We talk about random weirdo men adding her social media and I say “dw we’re just friends I won’t be jealous”
>She’s furious at me now blowing up my phone

What the fuck did I do wrong?

Elder millenial here, I go to a local spot to where a lot of early 20 drunk college girls go to, how do I rizz it up, they're so retarded but I'm autistic and think with head and not my dick.

>>33374781

The higher the body count the better the sex is desu, romance is for chicks.

>>33371420
>Is it gross if I’m attracted to 18-23 year old woman as a 30 year old man? People today call this wrong, but I personally don’t think it is

Maybe you're actually a faggot? Holy shit the feminist brainwashing is strong on this one!

>>33370832
>So I went on two dates with a girl and I've been talking to her regularly over text, no physical intimacy at all happened so far. What do I do now? Idk if I want to date her, she's kinda fat but she goes to the gym regularly so that's a good sign. I saw a pic of her from 2022 and she was way fatter back then. She looks slightly better in pictures than in real life, but I hope in a few years she'll look much better cause of the gym. We're both 21 so if I don't find a gf soon I'll be alone forever, should I just go after this girl? We get along pretty well, and she said she paused her hinge account after matching with me so I think that might be a good sign.

What did those dates entail? Please don't say you took her on a coffee date. Better fucking do something fun like axe throwing or kayaking then take her out for drinks.

>>33375660
Please someone answer this while she’s still blowing my phone up

>>33369188
>The churches I go to always have more single girls than men, so there's always a girl wanting to hook up with me.

What sort of churches?

>>33375660
>What the fuck did I do wrong?

>Meet girl online and agree that we’d be just friends and prob never meet up even though we live close because she doesn’t want to

>>33369188

>>33358097
>You all need to stop thinking the negatives about women. Women aren't secretly against you. They just are going about their lives like anyone else. It is terrible for your view of reality and your mental health that they are as negative as you think. They actually are much much more positive than you think. It just is they are bit more soft-spoken, sensitive, and shy at times. That doesn't mean assume you can get them, but know they are on your side.

I swear people are fucking daft, the biggest problem is that they either can't hold a conversation or very poor social skills like this one stupid bitch I talk to sometimes at my local spot, sits there with her headphones, I'm not even paying attention then she starts talking to me we get into a conversation than tunes out in the middle of it, I get annoyed and walk off. Social media has rotted people's brains, I never had this much trouble picking up women before smartphones.

I made a thread about my recent break-up, if anybody got time to read it here >>33374930
and help me out how to deal with it, I'd appreciate it, don't wanna shit up the thread with a long ass greentext, it was my first gf and I know I fucked up a few times but I honestly feel like shit bc she was kind of manipulative, she hasn't blocked me or anything yet so I might just be able to write something back to smooth things over and end it in right terms

>>33375660
>What the fuck did I do wrong?

She sounds like a nutjob, run!

>>33375660
>>We talk about random weirdo men adding her social media and I say “dw we’re just friends I won’t be jealous”

Why the fuck are you even talking about something like this?

>>33375731
Right, and I said we can maintain being friends and there would be no jealousy and now she’s furious. I didn’t meet her on 4chan it was through socila media ffs. Why is having online friends bad? And why is she mad all of a sudden?

Did you even bother to read everything I wrote? :( I’m drownin here man

>>33375757
We were joking about the ugly weird people tbat randomly add her on snap (this happens to girls a lot) and I made a joke about being just friends and she got mad

>>33375751
She’s actually really nice and I’ve had no problems with her outside of this. My past experience makes me think she didn’t mean what she said about never meeting up and has now possibly caught more than friend feelings

>>33375773
>and I made a joke about being just friends and she got mad

Because she likes you retard, JFC. You're gonna have to really play this one off as if it never happened, maybe say some additional stupid shit while you're at it.

>>33375783
I’m retarded aren’t I, I was just following her lead of her saying she wouldn’t be interested in meeting up when we first met. I it possible she caught feelings in the interim? She just told me “if the future changes it changes” meaning our friendship

>>33375803
bro she's giving you pussy on a platter

>>33375878
Done being stupid, gonna lock in

Fellas, here is the best advice I can give you.
Don't get women, in this day and age they are all roasties.
They are full of diseases and unwanted soul ties from other men.
If you have sex with a whore her soul ties will also bind you.

>>33375952
Source:
Observe the fine bald gentlemens face after initiating sex with a whore with a body count of 1000+
https://youtube.com/shorts/jiLEweb1-pM?feature=shared

>>33375936
godspeed anon

>>33375705
adventist

>>33375952
i would give ANYTHING to be totally and irrevocably soulbound to a perfect blonde sorority Stacie

>>33376046
Ninja did you not pay attention or did the message went over your smooth simp brain?
You'll also form Soulties with the men who banged her

When the honeymoon phase is over, how do you keep a woman interested? I find that there's only so much to talk about and eventually, whether that's in 3 months or 3 years, the novelty of conversation will disappear, and women are highly stimulated by conversation

>>33357010 (OP)
Casual sex is for faggots. Finding a girlfriend who isn't on the path to being a blown-out roastie requires finding a community of people your age and socializing. Whether you're going to house parties, church events, or rock climbing meet ups, people are constantly circling around smelling each other's buttholes. If you find a single girl at a church picnic or a badminton party, there's way less pressure to lay all your stats on the line like the meat market. A girl's interest in you can zoom from 0 to 100 in 5 minutes of relaxed, charming conversation. If you manage to make her laugh and hold eye contact with you, don't be a pussy, ask if she has a boyfriend. If she says yes keep it casual and continue chatting, if she says no all you gotta do is tell her your seed is potent enough to keep her pregnant for the next 5 years and most of your children won't be retarded.

>>33376064
You create space, you move away, you create anxiety, then the attraction returns, that's why from the beginning of the relationship you tell as little as possible about yourself and remain mysterious, at the same time you generate all kinds of emotions in the woman like anger, sadness, joy and worry, they love that

>>33376191
Can you give some examples of these? They seem counterintuitive

>gf breaks up with me today
>last week she texted me "let's see each other early"
>i ask why lol
>she responds with "because i miss my bf"
but then a week later she makes it impossible for her to see me lmao. Can anyone explain how this makes sense?

>>33376316
You guys are 16 or something?

>>33357010 (OP)
>match with a girl who claims to be hard left
>I ask her out, suggesting places, but she ends up inviting me to her place
>aight
>she said she'll let me know when because she has 60 other matches and set up a date with some other dude but can't remember when
I'm sorry what

>>33376477
Tell her if she cant even remember the other guy who gives a shit so pick this weekend and fuck her brains out.
>she will let you know
>last week
Yeah you're already one of the other 61 guys because you didn't do the above.

>>33376528
We were talking about meeting Friday evening, but since she invited me over and mentioned those 60 guys I've said I might as well come over today. I'll see how it goes

>>33376666
As in tomorrow??? Why tf you reschedule when it's this close. I assumed she's been silent since last week without setting an actual date. I reread your post I dont know where I got last week from I had an allnighter last night my head is messed up.

>>33376709
If she wants me over I might as well come today instead of tomorrow. Might not be a hookup, but at least it'll free my schedule to ask out a different girl

>>33376420
No, we’re both 25 lol

>>33376316
she's testing you and she's succeeding apparently, because she's living in your head to the point of posting this on 4chan

>>33376528

his face just doesnt look good enough you fucking idiot jfl

>gotta strike while it's hot broo! go for it and you'll get the girl!
>just fuck her brains out!

this only works if you're either a chad or raping them

>>33376046
well then you just have to follow rules 1 & 2 to get that

1. have a good looking face
2. be confident!

>>33377605
What’s the test tho if she broke up with me?

>>33377825
to see if you still care about her and if you can still be a backup retard

>>33357010 (OP)
This is a wonderful book and should be added straight to the OP
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Women-Deserve-Less-Journal/dp/B0848QQSBY

Full text is here
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html

This book is in fact better than any other redpill book I've seen. Cuts straight to the chase on why your life has turned out the way it did. Why women behave the way they do around you. And gives you the option to do as you please to overcome this. Most men are blind, and even I am admittedly blind and fell to the dating meme. I got used and publicly shamed by a woman I was very into, and now I know what I could've done to avoid it. If you have enough experience you will be able to connect the dots and figure out what to do with this information. First came across this on a post on Plebbit. This book has feminists on Plebbit seething, and that's for good reason.

Should I text someone I had amazing sex with but she got incredibly clingy right off the bat?

>>33377912
fuck anon I've already bought so many books, No More Mr Nice Guy, Models, Art of Seduction, The Manual: What Women Want, Atomic Attraction, The Female Brain, Why Women Have Sex, The Manipulated Man, and now you recommend me another one

>>33377923
no, don't start getting attached now retard

>>33377925
Actually I linked the wrong book kek
https://www.amazon.com/Women-Deserve-Less-Myron-Gaines/dp/B0BVDSBZYK

But you can download it for free from the dokumen.pub link

>>33377939
Don't know when I'm going to have sex that good again. Crazy pussy is addicting, but I can stay strong

>>33377910
So what do I do in this scenario? On one hand, I do care about her but I don’t want to be a backup

>>33377925
retard you can download it all for free in zlibrary
also they actually looksmatch and are perfectly looking white people. he just chose to style himself like a dork

POWER HALF HOUR PLEASE
PUMP IT AGAIN NOW
WE NEED TO GO HIGHER
SET A FUCKING RECORD
JEROME

>>33376477
So the date happened
>went to her place, but first suggested a walk, wanted to see if she's not mental
>we talk, normal stuff
>go to her place
>she starts talking about suicide and euthanasia, says she's planning it somewhere down the line
>sure, whatever
>starts talking how she sucked off her ex bf and some friend of hers, says she's not into BDSM anymore, talks about some other guy with small dick she banged when she was 17
>says her sex drive is zero these days
>make some really obvious suggestions, even tell her I'm getting hard from her stories, she has none of it
>says if she wanted it, she'd ask for it
>see this is going nowhere, fuck off home
>ask for a number over Tinder, she, predicably, says "I don't feel the need xd"
>unmatch her
And that's that. Well at least she had a cat so I did end up playing with a pussy for a bit

>>33377947
I read it, this author is a doomer, seeing his pictures already explains it, it's because he's ugly and doesn't get attention from women, he only lists facts and doesn't present help tools, this book doesn't help you get women, reading it only made me more misogynistic

Im an obese unkempt retard in college right
so i personalitymaxxed and eventually >this 6/10 autistic TURBO-hoe takes me to have lunch with her (obviously to laugh at my jester maxxing and raise her own ego)
>me in a haze of confusion and sleep deprivation eventually sits down to talk with her
>i sperg out about my shitty life and trauma dump like a prison raped coon
>shes actually a bit moved and says shes gonna cry (bc of my patheticness)and shows me her self harm scars
>out of curiosity,not bc i wanted to hit on her ask if shes ever had previous bfs (im sperging out)
>convo takes a dark turn and says relationships are too toxic (hoe,she likes having many male friends)
>then i ask her if im ugly (i obviously am)
>she says yes and that maybe another girl would like me
>my ego is hurt still
>i go dark triad and play mindgames with her
>like im trying to hit on her,be actually spergy,inconvenience her,imply shes a hoe,ect
>she doesnt completely cut me off until her mangina friend tells her to have more confidence
>She gives me this weird side glare constantly,checking if im checking her gym ass out
>apparently she thinks im in love with her
so thats it. is she twisting the knife in revenge in some way or did she feel personally hurt? i know her ego was hurt because she thought i liked her
i still want her to hatefuck and ride me. the side glare is hot but idk if she realizes shes being tentative when she does it. what does the fucking side eye mean bros (shes smirking while doing it) i know she watches too much anime so it might have something to do with it

>>33364661
i dunno man i had this girl staring into my soul with a demonic grin for 20 seconds and she never liked me in the end

>>33378633
maybe because you didn't do anything about it

I think I miscalculated
>seeing girl for a few months
>had great date on Saturday
>tonight I was invited to come over with her roommate (who's her cousin) and a mutual female friend to eat and play board games
>realize that I'm hanging out with my girl her cousin (who's like a sister to her) and another female friend
>IT'S FUCKING BORING and my girl is enjoying spending time with her gal pals and I'm just getting sleepier and more bored
>they've got their in jokes and speak to one another, feel like I'm intruding on girls night desu
Am I retarded? I spent the whole time trying to get her cousin to like me because I figured that couldn't hurt but damn I'm fucking stupid, should've known that hanging out with 3 women was not a good idea.

>>33379230
women are boring, being with just one is already boring, If you're not alone with one, it's not worth it. men do things with men, women do things with women

>>33379321
I am now learning this. Sometimes I like hanging out with women more than men but this was not one of those times, the original plan was to have 2 other couples there but they were sick. She just texted me just now thanking me for coming over and hoping that I had a good time lol. Well at least I'm putting in the time with her friends and cousin.

elder millenial here wondering how to plow smelly zoomette pussy, younger people are weird and have no idea how to interact with these retards

>>33378557
The book is not meant to be taken as dating advice. It however provides the barebones for how you should interpret women's behavior, and how much you should truly invest in a woman, because women are cunning and very good at deception. You may not have been screwed over by a woman, but for those of us who have, the book resonates and moves beyond the redpill to give us an idea of how we should behave from now on (and I'll give you a clue, you probably shouldn't be honest with them). The book teaches not to waste your time trying to get with women who couldn't care less about you. Since you were expecting advice and are still seeking it after reading the book, then I don't think you actually took away much from it.

>>33379848
Remember, women have selfish motives for their behavior. You should have selfish motives for your behavior too. You should never cry over a woman, or even contemplate her. She should be out of your mind because there's plenty of other girls around to fool. Always try to gain something from them, and do not ever make them and only them your goal. If men are seemingly in "relationships", it's because women have ceased control of them. But you should know better than to be committed to a woman. Use relationships only when they suit you (when you do have money and get in shape as the book advises). Have what they want, but do not ever give it away.

>>33376012
Update: she snapped me a little today but was pretty dry and said she was busy with family stuff and then never said goodnight. I am now lying awake dooming that it’s over and kicking myself for being retarded

>>33357010 (OP)
>https://fantasticanachronism.com/2025/03/20/how-to-be-good-at-dating/

This is an incredibly shit guide to dating. Not only is the dude banging 6-7/10 danger-hair crazy hoes but this is as high as he is reaching with his retarded strategy while being tall and apparently handsome.

Why the fuck is it that literally every single dating guide that's all "you don't need game bro, just work on yourself" is written by some lazy asshole that was genetically gifted at birth and still only managed to pull mid girls? This is basically convincing me that if you are not genetically gifted, you absolutely DO need PUA game tactics in order to succeed.

how to find rich girlfriend/wife?

>>33378557
>>33379848
>learning how to get women from books
kek
you learn by trial and error like everything else

going outside and trying to fuck a woman (start low, like a fattie or something) will teach you more than a thousand books

>match with qt
>she asks hows it going
>answer around 10pm
>she replies 12am, also adds a 'sorry was traveling from city to city'
>was already sleeping by then, reply in the morning
>almost 8pm, no reply
getting ghosted truly is the absolute worst experience.
it's the one thing i can't easily shake off.
it's being in limbo, a void.

>>33380001
I think the worst part is that autistic faggot pretending that he's just "average" and then proceeds to describe how the first time he ever got on Tinder, he matched with a hot 21 year old. As a 34 year old. Chads really are simply not able to comprehend what life is like as a bottom-tier unwanted male who puts in five times the effort into his dating profile than those faggots do and matches maybe ONE obese single mother in her 40s every six months.

>be me
>daygaming every day
>sit on a bench
>girl sits down on the other end of the bench
>clearly means she wants me to talk to her
>I start talking
>she's positive
>after a few minutes I ask about ice cream/drink
>no
>talk a few more minutes
>ask again about drinks/food
>yes
>we go have drinks and food
>then a walk
>she was pretty positive but never asked my name which is a bad sign
>I got sick due to having eaten already and she seemed very bothered by that
>I tried to escalate a little in the venue, then more outside afterwards, she resisted every time, which was a bad sign, but sometimes you have to try several times
>sitting on bench, she goes "I will go to my hotel, it's late" and walks away
>I don't reply, don't look up, after a while I look up and see she's running away, then turns a corner and is gone

Don't know if she just used me for dinner. Or if she was attracted but very turned off by me getting sick. Or if she was in town for a while and wanted to go slower, just exchange numbers and meet the next day rather than escalate the first day. I have no idea. But anyway I'm done with paying for dinners, exact same thing happened on my previous date, and some other dates too, ie I paid for dinner and drinks and was rejected afterwards. I've had success with dinner dates, but I'm not taking the chance again. Once I asked to have drinks and the girl said she wanted to go eat though, which is rare, but I don't think I'll ever pay for dinner again, even though she probably wanted sex but I made a mistake so I only got a makeout. Also I have sometimes tipped, like this last time I tipped 10%, but I read on google that you don't need to do that in my country so from now on I won't tip if for example I eat alone, but anyway I'll probably never go on a dinner date again, and also I won't tip if I buy drinks.

>>33380597
>>I got sick due to having eaten already and she seemed very bothered by that
>I don't reply, don't look up, after a while I look up and see she's running away, then turns a corner and is gone
LMAO this is sitcom shit

>>33380641
Not puking sick. Yeah I wasn't replying or looking up when she was standing up from the bench we were sitting on and telling me about how it was late and she was going to go to her hotel etc, a clear rejection. I had just paid for dinner for nothing. Fuck off.

>>33380314
I got no issues with being ghosted. I understand why desu. I get tired talking to like 5 different girls at the same time and ghost some too when I cba, now imagine from a girls perspective who gets 30 guys saying the same hey whats up line every day. Girls aren't looking for a penpal on these apps, comment on something interesting on their profile then just ask them out is the best way to play these apps. Like right after that travelling message I'd just say "cool you free to grab drink this weekend?" and move on. At this point ghosting means rejection instead of being stuck in uncertainty which is where most of that dread comes from. It's a numbers game. Just assume it's a no until you see a messagenotificstion and go talk to the next girl stop getting so invested before you actually meet she's literally a bunch of pixels on your phone before that.

Sure, if she really was interested she would make some more effort in replying sooner and she probably does for the 2-3 chads in her roster that she likes the most but a lot of those guys aren't asking her out either. You need to understand girls dont just swipe right on everyone like guys do, if you matched there is attraction already, dragging out the conversations only increases your changes of her getting tired of you and ghosting.

>>33380597
I'm getting creep vibes as a guy and this is you telling the story from your perspective. I can only imagine how she felt lmfao.
>I tried to escalate a little in the venue, then more outside afterwards, she resisted every time, which was a bad sign, but sometimes you have to try several times
Holy shit. What did you try? Did she give any signs she was into you or what, what do you mean by positive? I would have dropped it after she said no to icecream lol you seem way too pushy.

>>33380774
Just fuck off incel.

Easy height cheat code is to wear mid-top Air Force 1's plus 1 layer of lifts, easy ~2.5 inch height boost while still being comfortable. I wouldn't go more than 1 layer unless you're a turbo manlet because it becomes uncomfortable and you start to walk funny. Went from 6'3" to 6'5.5"

>>33380793
You're gonna get arrested my guy.

>>33380802
For what fuckface? You know absolutely jack shit about talking to girls. Escalating means moving a little closer, attempting to hold hands etc. This is normally a two steps forward-one step back process. In fact the whole game thing is a two steps forward-one step back process. If you ask about having ice cream and a girl says no, but keeps talking and seems interested, then you keep talking and ask again, or ask a modified question, a little later, because she wasn't rejecting YOU, she was just rejecting the advancement because it was too much too early. Again, shut the fuck up, you are not in a position to give advice, just fucking lurk.

>>33380248
>you learn by trial and error
...or start with a shortcut by learning from those who have already tried and failed
>going outside and trying to fuck a woman will teach you more than a thousand books
...or it will destroy your soul for not having at least any theoretical experience and then never wanting to try again

>>33380807
Is that why you made a blogpost about how you're never taking a girl out for dinner again after this one sprinted away from you when she had a chance?

>>33379883
I regretted not dating a rich girl who desperately told her mother, who told my mother, that she wanted to be with me because she was so shy about me.

The problem is... I didn't find her attractive, but I could have stayed with her for the money.

>>33380840
>Is that why
Is WHAT why? Make a fucking point or better yet fuck off, because you have nothing to contribute. I am tired of wasting money on dinner and only getting something from it less than half of times. I have quite a lot of experience with dates. I didn't fucking post here for incels/women to comment on my posts, stfu kys.

I only do daygame and most of my dates are instant dates, approach girl-go on date right away. I will try a new strategy. I've always tried to push it as far as possible. Some girls fuck on the first date. Some girls reject. I think only one or two girls broke off the date but then wanted to meet again another day. I think maybe when you meet a girl and have an instant date it's normal if the girl doesn't want to go very far. One reason could be she has been doing things for many hours when you meet so she's not feeling clean. She wants to meet another time so she can take a shower right before the date. I also think some girls when they meet you are staying in your town for a week or so and their plan is to meet more than once and do some fun activity together. Again, a few girls have cut the date off and then wanted to meet again, asked about it for example. But I think maybe some girls who want to meet another time are insulted by you trying to go far on the first date, so they just reject you completely instead of cutting off the date to meet again another time. Another possibility is that a girl is resistant but YOU ask to meet another day etc. I used to have this happen a lot, and I used to ask about meeting again a lot. But very many women gave their number, said we could meet the next day and similar just to have an excuse to get rid of me. So I stopped doing that, and I won't do it again. But what I will try is to go on an instant date and instead of trying to push it as far as possible, I'll just have one drink, ask for how long she's in town, and make plans to meet another day. Some guys don't even do instant dates, they just get the number. I don't know if I ever did that. I think maybe with a few. And I think some girls I just talked to for like half an hour and then got the number, but it wasn't an instant date. I think maybe some of my daygame approaches I met again, of those I didn't fuck on the first date, more than just those one or two.

>>33380984
Hit the character limit. I was going to say that I don't even remember, I've approached hundreds of girls. But anyway I will try a new strategy. Instead of milking it as much as possible on the instant date, just have one drink, and make plans to meet another time. If she ghosts so be it, but it's worth trying, might work better than milking it as much as possible.

>>33380984
>>33380994
bro how do you have the courage and not the anxiety to approach so many

>>33380910
>>33380807
>>33380793
>>33380657
>>33380597
Absolutely unhinged.
>doesn't know the tipping culture in his own country

>>33381078
can you please fuck off you fucking troll

>>33381020
I still have approach anxiety. I rarely approach walking girls anymore. It's easier if a girl is sitting or standing still. And also if a girl sits next to you or looks at you etc it's easier. If you think it's hard you can try just sitting next to or standing next to a girl who is sitting or standing still. Do nothing. If she's still there after a minute or two the chance she'll reject you is smaller than if she got up right away, but not zero. Say something but expect that some will reject right away, maybe even totally ignore you. If they reject you just walk away. I thought about this "having balls" thing recently. It's kind of weird, what is it even. Because when a girl is open to meeting a guy and is attracted to you it doesn't take much balls to talk to her, barely any. If you are constantly having an issue with not having enough balls you might be approaching the wrong girls, girls who aren't open to meeting a guy for example. It takes some practice reading body language to see if a girl is open to meeting a guy.

>>33381264
And what are the common characteristics of girls who have sex on the first date? Is it that easy if they want to?

>>33381353
You just escalate slowly and gradually and see how open they are. I guess those who fuck on the first date are very positive and open. Like right away when you start talking to them they help drive the conversation on.

How do you guys decide on a girl to pursue?
I'm often on the fence about girls, for ex:, if she said "yes" would I really want to date her?" Should I wait and pursue a girl I 100% I'm sure about?

>>33382158
just chase all the girls but only at the beginning and then stop, the interested ones will come back and then you make them chase you, then keep this dynamic and don't chase anymore

>>33380597
At first I thought she rejected me for trying to get physical on the first date. But then why would she be bothered by me getting sick from the food and drinks? This seems to imply she wanted to fuck but was turned off by my bad stomach.

I look a little bit older than I really am (27, bald) and many assume I'm around early thirties. I don't necessarily want to look younger nor care that much but what do women think? What would you recommend I do? I also don't know how to talk to girls btw

There's three types of women.
Girl A, Girl B and Girl C.
Let's talk about Girl A for a second. Girl A is the type of girl who is single, but is very attractive. Most of us are seeking Girl A, but she has a very serious flaw which will get to in a moment.

Girl B is the type of girl who is very attractive, but has either a boyfriend, a husband, and/or is sleeping around.

Girl C is the type of girl who is unattractive.

Now, naturally, based on this information alone, all of us would want to get with Girl A. But it turns out that it's impossible to get with Girl A. The reason for that is that the chances that she does not trust you are very high. Let me explain: So the girl is single and attractive, which is wonderful, but that also means you have competition from almost every direction. If this is a girl that is in her late teens or early 20s like most girls we usually try to pursue here, the chances of her being able to handle being in a relationship and acting the right way are almost zero. That's because she is afraid of men, or is insecure about herself. The proof is in her being single after in spite of being attractive, and the chances of that are extremely high if she is in her 20s. You could also say that her standards may be inflated, but that has not as much to do with her simply not trusting men. Girl A is everywhere, in dating apps, college campuses, etc... Your interactions with Girl A can be summed up as the following: Everything seems good at first, she is receptive, perhaps smiling at you, etc... but then you make a move on her and she pulls back, to the point she completely ghosts you when you ask her out or flirt with her, and then you think you're not good looking enough or messed up.

Then there's Girl B. Girl B has already proven that she can handle being a relationship. She has a boyfriend, or husband, or has lovers, or a mix of these, but either way your interactions with these girls will always be as follows if there's attraction: (cont.)

>>33382658
She will be a flirt, and when you show interest, you will find it a breeze to both connect and hook up with her. This is the kind of girl you want in your life, and the only kind that is willing to sleep with you, but the issue is that she's a bit fickle. We tend to avoid Girl B's, which is why we're here, but we should not.

Girl C's do not deserve separate explanation. They're ugly, they may be like either Girl A or B, but even if they're B, they're still unattractive. However, they can be used as getaway girls to Girl B's if you have patience.

Remember, Girl A no matter what you try, will never trust you. This is why most guys fail and are frustrated with women. It's very easy to conflate what Girl A does to what every woman does. And for that matter, to think to yourself that women are all like Girl A, which is the source of all of our frustrations as men.

>>33382658
>>33382663
Also, take note, there reason Girl A is that way is because she's showered with attention throughout her early days but nothing ever materializes because that's all she seeks, meaning that the only reason she seems to be receptive at first is to get attention from you as well. Not only is there no proof she can handle a man, the girl probably doesn't even know what she wants in a man. You may meet some Girl B's that are also seeking attention, but the chances with success from those girls is way higher.

>>33382658
>>33382663
>>33382679
anon I want to steal the Girll B from a guy in my church, teach me how

>>33380664
i was nodding respectfully to this yesterday because it makes perfect sense, but jesus christ she messaged me back 1.5 hours ago at 6 fucking am (we're both early birds apparently) and we got a few exchanges in.
she's no stacey - and they're the ones who are most blunt with the ghosting - but she is a qt and qt's tend to be reserved so i can make do with the gaps in the messaging. but i also know that asking reserved girls like this out too quickly can also scare them off since they're slower to open up.
i'm just glad she replied because at the least i got my self-confidence back and from here on out i'll be much more prepared for it.

>>33382720
You need to be in a social situation where you're talking with her, away from her boyfriend. We can not plan these at events or gatherings, but they happen naturally all the time. For instance a coworker or classmate in your class. When the opportunity arises to take her out or be in private with her (I.E. the event is over and you head out together), that's when you make a move. Even if she says she had a boyfriend, or whatever, just go for it (obviously a kiss). Laugh at her about the boyfriend or whatever part, and then go back to your place quietly.

>>33380597
wish I could read her mind

I recently registered to Hinge and it asks for vices. I don't drink but I do smoke cigarettes and weed occasionally. I don't do drugs. My drinking and smoking habits are visible on my profile. Am I committing self-sabotage? Like does anyone have anecdotes how these affect app dating?

>>33382755
drinking and smoking are pretty much the only two things a guy should have visible, everything else can stay hidden.
you don't wanna run into the issue of a girl being anti-smoking/drinking and getting ghosted after she finds that out about you (big waste of time).

Have you guys ever had success messaging women off your social media friends list? I don't even know most of mine personally but I'm considering it.
How would you approach it? Be direct, or play it off casually?

>>33382755
>I recently registered to Hinge
best approach is to uninstall and go where you can meet women who enjoy what you enjoy

>>33383074
nah hinge is worth it as a side-hustle.
yes it's mostly trash but don't forget - girls are living in the hell that they created, and are just as lonely as you and are unlikely to be engaged out in the real world, so decent girls are on there waiting to be engaged.
just go through the list, shoot messages and see what sticks.
it just shouldn't be the only way you try to meet women obviously.

>>33383091
>and are just as lonely as you and are unlikely to be engaged out in the real world

Covids not athing anymore, so nope. Got o any bar or cafe and you will see girls sit ther with maybe a girlfriend and make eyes at dudes in hopes of getting laid.
It may be okay for getting a woman or two on the side, but honestly if you can meet women IRL its probably less of a hassle to just do more than that. ALso less psychos and fatties, if a woman online dates after lockdowns are over thats for a reason.

>>33383098
covid might be gone but w*men are just as socially stunted as men now - and that shit is permanent. also the type of girls you're talking about are the same stacies and art-hoes that were always out going, which are poison for long term relationships + make horrible candidates as wives and mothers.
there are more reserved girls on dating apps than ever before, that's just the impression i'm getting. remember that these girls will never initially pursue men themselves. they want to be approached and will stick to anyone that's half-way decent. and they're seeing that apps are probably the best place to make this contact since IRL approaches are crashing.
again, apps should be a secondary thing. your best bet will always be IRL - either through contacts (friend and family) or social gatherings.

>>33383244
>they want to be approached and will stick to anyone that's half-way decent
I wonder, women apparently aren't being approached anymore, so the first half-way decent guy who approaches them will be the first one they'll want to date?

>>33383351
was referring more to the reserved type girls. it's never that simple obviously but i've had more luck with chatting through the app and setting up dates than irl approaching with these sorts of girls (again they aren't stacies, you might even consider them mid yourself). only issue is that it takes time because these types don't move at pace, but then i had a girl literally tell me i was decent enough to keep her engaged enough that she wanted to go out so it can be worth it.
all of this to say that apps have their place. i don't like it but it's just the reality we live in.

>>33383541
I'll try to use these apps, the problem is that my city is small

>>33383351
OP of the Hinge question here, I have seen this happen but the response might be also very strong; a friend of mine spoke to someone in a professional gathering, the girl was telling her parents about him two weeks later (but they seem cool now), and I had a flatmate who thought banter in the kitchen was an approach, and eventually when I didn't give her attention she suggested hurting herself, which made me anxious because I once had someone at a house party actually commit to self-harm after many (including me) not giving her attention.
>>33383244
>>33383091
Makes me think I need to make friends again, or that maybe I'm not ready for dating because I can't even visualize the energy to go out after work to an environment to approach women.

I like to accomplish goals by setting myself to do something 100 times. For example I started running by wanting to run 100 times in one year. I set myself to do 100 pushups 100 times in one year. To do 100 hours of studying to get my certificate for my job.

I am wondering which 100 of something I should do to get my next girlfriend. I know the best way to get one is to just date. But I am wondering if I should talk to 100 girls on tindar/boombal/hunge;;; Or approach 100 girls; or to go to the bar 100 times just with the aim of getting one drink and seeing what the scene is like.

>>33384671
Problem is, doing pushups 100 times, or running 100 times a year or studying for 100 hours is entirely dependent on you. With women, you have a breathing living person on the other side so doing 100 of anything just won't work here if you don't have looks and social skill.
>if I should talk to 100 girls on tindar/boombal/hunge;
If you can get that many matches. Plus, you're looking for a GF, not penpals, maybe you'll meet your girl within first 10 matches
>Or approach 100 girls
Approaching random women is a waste of time unless you're in place where it's expected or they're giving you signals
>o go to the bar 100 times just with the aim of getting one drink and seeing what the scene is like.
Going just 5-10 times is more than enough

My point is, don't just autistically stick to your goal-setting, but adapt based on what you're aiming to achieve. You can't just grind to get women

>>33357010 (OP)
>match with a girl
>she's really wants to meet
>but she has a rough week at work
>but she's sick after festival
>(profile deleted)
A story like any another, but it never ceases to amaze me how little people on apps care

>>33382224
thanks bro, that's actually good advice.
I guess what I'm afraid of is rizzing up (-)mid, and then having to follow trough with dates

There is no reason to use this shitty general just so you can be doxxed by some wannabe NSA kikes.

You can find everything you need and much more on youtube, hell dating coaches even use twitter now.

Heard on twitter the other day not many men do speed dating because they can't handle the emotional strain of a billion awful bitches whilst the women have no fucking problem with speed dating a billion men.

I'm quite good at getting dates from daygame. (did 10 this year, got 2 dates) But my problems are
1) I struggle to do enough daygame approaches per week/month
2) I rarely get sex or a second date, even though last year I got a makeout from most dates
Second date is mostly because I mostly approach tourist girls though, most of which are in town just a few days.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe a lot of the girls just use me for free food. But I think maybe some of them are insulted when I try to get physical on the instant date. (most of my dates are instant dates) Maybe those girls were going to be in town for some time going forward and their plan when they met me was to meet more than once. I'm going to experiment with not having dinner but instead just drinks or ice cream, and also not trying to get physical on the instant date, but instead get their number and make plans for a second date the next day. One girl though I asked if she wanted to have drinks, and she said "actually I want to go eat". I think she's the only girl who has said that though, and she was very interested in me, I would have fucked her if it wasn't for a mistake.

It is a shitty general yes, the entire board is shit for dating advice. Never ever did I get any good dating advice in this general or on this board. It's only ever incels and fat bitter women who reply.

Nice

>>33385663
>fat bitter women
Actually change that to just "women". As a man I don't want a woman's comments on dating regardless of what type she is.

What do you actually do if you get two chicks attention in the same night?
I was at a concert last night and started talking to a braceface barely legal autistic teen and she was adorable, but I went to refresh my drink and was standing near a buxom milf. I started chatting her up because she was closer to my age but I noticed the braceface teen looking back at me. The milf traded instas with me and went to find her niece she was escorting and I went back to chatting with the braceface until she left an hour later.
I texted braceface and DM'ed the milf last night and neither of them have responded. It was bad the braceface teen saw me clearly flirting with the milf, it's REALLY bad if the milf saw me with the braceface who was 19 but looks like a kid (I'm 29 for reference)

WTF do I do next time? Just stop being greedy and pick one girl and stick with her for the night? It's a three day event, so I'm probably gonna see at least one of them again today IRL even if the didn't respond to my texts/DMs

>>33385657
Sometimes on instant dates girls get caught up
I did one with a girl I noticed at my local library after crossing paths with her on the street. We went walking on the beach and made out and I got some under the bra groping action. When I suggested going to get dinner she just wanted to go home. I didn't get a second date and she ghosted me afterwards.
It is what it is. Women are weird sometimes.

dating apps don't work don't even try

The longer I remain a virgin, the more I feel like I can't get out of this state. I've become very misogynistic over the years. I feel like giving up and becoming a hermit.

>Go to bar
>Sit there by myself for a few hours
>Drift in and out of conversations
>Get numbers/ig handles

It's that easy. You literally don't need anything but baseline charisma.

>>33386119
but what if I don't drink alcohol?

>>33386157
Have a mocktail or food. The point is to be in a social environment instead of doomswiping or jerking off.

>>33386119
>It's that easy. You literally don't need anything but baseline charisma.
And to live in an area where receptive females go to bars
This is mostly a US problem but in a lot of small towns only boomers go to bars, there aren't really a lot of single young women. And even then some towns and cities are much better than others. In my experience having traveled across the country a fuckton thanks to my career the distro is as follows:
>PNW: Where I currently live and probably the worst place for dating right now I M O. Huge Male/Female gender imbalance and the techbros making $300k a year at A-jeet-zon or Meecrosof throw things off in the Puget Sound region especially
>Cali: Ok but San Jose/San Fran suffer from the techbro problem and LA girls fuck for clout mostly. Unfamiliar with other areas
>New England: Pretty good but pickings are slim as far as fuckable girls go. College girls there still don't seem to proud to ride male clunkers when they're horny.
>NYC: My hometown. Devasted by the immigration of brown hordes but I've literally been catcalled by good looking girls there as a scrub so not all is lost.
>DC/DMV: Status driven fuckfest where ever girl is after a senator's son. AVOID.
>The South: I hope you like chocolate.
>Texas: Golden land of dating as a white man. Tons of receptive women who will respond to a tall white guy flirting with them. God I love going to Texas.
>US Southwest: Like a Walmart Texas with even longer drives in between cities with attractive women
Anyway that's my two cents as an alcoholic manwhore who has roamed the bars of various places in the US.

>>33386184
This is true. I'm a New Englander so I'm kind of spoiled for choice when it comes to bars and younger women to hit on. Geography is a motherfucker.

>invite girl to a group thing
>"is this like a date?"
>honest answer is "No I want to hang out because I'd like to know if I want to date you."

I don't think I actually say that though. Do I?

Was sitting in one of my usual daygame spots. Group of 4-5 tourist girls. One of them gave me a look when she threw some trash in the trashcan next to where I was sitting. Maybe I should have said something to her but I didn't. I fucking suck at daygame this year. Already a little over 3 weeks vacation and I've only done 4 approaches.

How do i control a hoe? while still being a gentleman and decend guy?

what if some cute girl is entitled? how can you put her in her place? without her fucking off immediately when she notices you are not some beta provider?
assume you are in decent shape and financially stable
how can i set boundaries?
e.g. no i'm not picking you up again, drive there yourself?

how do you control your hoe without being an asshole?

>>33387538
you have a lot to learn, just stop being afraid

>>33377925
Name of the girl?

Ok so check it, I'm literally at a music festival right now, by myself. Don't worry, I'm not wasting the whole thing on my phone... in fact I've stayed off my phone the whole time, but I have a music studio space I rent on the same block the festival is happening, and I ducked into my studio to roll a joint real quick before a headliner I'm excited for comes on, and I'm posting this.... But anyway my point is... I haven't gotten laid in years, since I left my ex and I haven't gone to a festival in years, and being around all these hot girls all dressed up is driving me crazy. And the thing is I'm not so anxious that I can't approach at all, and when I at least try to get out of my shell and say something to them it helps me feel a little less pent up, but I feel like after all this time I don't even know how to approach and I'm coming off either too shy or desperate and I'm not even sure which, I've just thrown out some random compliments on their outfits or made small talk about the bands... how do I take this to the next level? Help me out brother. I'm so horny it's killing me and I haven't felt like this in years, I gotta get out of my stasis, I gotta escape my comfort zone

>>33375660
Back to update this post and seeking more help:

>She was mad but we reconciled and went back to talking
>We started talking again and flirted and sexted more after talking about the initial agreement but she said basically the future might change but she is sticking to what she said
>Realize tonight I think I’m actually starting to really be into this person
>Slightly hint at it, then outright say it
>”You can feel however you want just remember what we talked about”
It’s so fucking over isn’t it? This chick is so fucking confusing man. I don’t want to say I’m orbiting her because she sexts back with nudes but…I just don’t understand it. So she wants a friend, but gets mad when I said “we’re friends”, but she also wants to sext? What the fuck did I get myself into?

>>33389207
Are you retarded? She's using you for validation and entertainment. You're a toy. Move on.

>>33389215
Then why did she get so mad when I said just friends and why is she texting me/snapping me/voice noting me non stop?

>>33389277
Because you damaged her ego. She wants to be the only woman you simp over, and knowing that it's just as casual to you pisses her off.

>>33389280
So what do I even do? Just say it’s not gonna work being friends? She’s saying shit like “who knows whats gonna happen” and then saying it’s never happening I’m so confused

>>33389284
Block her? Why are you even entertaining her after she started acting like a possessive bitch? This woman has stated her use for you, and I just filled in the blanks. It couldn't spell out a larger waste of your time.

>>33389288
Blocking someone you’ve talked to for weeks is weirdo behavior, I’m just gonna be honest and say I don’t think we should talk and I have the feeling she’s gonna get mad

women really walk around with their asses hanging out and their tiddies bouncing out of their lowcut shirts and expect me not to consider raping them then and there.

>>33389297
It's not weirdo behavior. It's weeks. She may as well be a stranger because you quite literally barely know her and are just placing unnecessary importance on this connection for some reason.
You wouldn't put up with it if she were ugly, so there's your answer.

>>33389315
Ok well I just broke it off and she didn’t even care so you’re right. Fuck…I’m feeling shitty now.

>>33389456
I'm sorry that it happened that way. She wasn't worth your time or effort.

>>33389462
Well thanks for the honesty, I saved myself some future heartache I guess. Back to being alone lol

>>33386184
>>US Southwest: Like a Walmart Texas with even longer drives in between cities with attractive women
ASU and UofA each make finding hot women at bars trivial so you're just finding things to complain about to be difficult here

>>33389102
Once you approached and exchanged a few words (don't be having entire conversations with that loud ass music going on, just a quick compliment/ask for name/you having fun here?) you dance together see how close she gets and how she reacts when you get close. You know like are you dancing next to each other looking at the stage or other people or is she allowing you to go like face to face getting close and personal and making eye contact. If the latter she's basically signalling interest you start escalating naturally, making more physical contact like grab hands give her a spin while dancing and just keep getting closer etc. If she allows that stuff and doesn't pull away and you feel the tension at some point ehen it feels right you just have to grab her by the waist and lightly pull her in while making eyecontact and a smiling if she holds it like grab her chin or cheek and go for the kiss. Make out a bit and keep dancing grinding having fun etc. At some point you invite her over for a rest or something I dont really get how you have a studio on the festival grounds but ye just go with the flow if you found one that's looking to get dicked it'll go naturally.

>>33357719

is this true?

fuuuukkkkkkkkk

>>33361442


same as a boys

esp small boy

>>33389207
I dont agree with the other anon. I think you ruined it by being non chalant about it from the start. Dont fucking say you're just stay friends and dont meet up.
I'm not saying she wasn't just using you for validation, it's possible but the way you played it didn't allow for more to happen because girls with never initiate and definitely not if you give her mixed signals, girls cannot risk rejection their ego is too weak. You should have denied it, telling her you want her and explicitly suggest meeting up at xday be very straightforward. If she keeps being vague at that point is when you drop her.
You never even allowed her to say yes.

>be 32
>match cute 21 y/o American born Japanese girl
>went out for boba
>watched the sunset
>went for a drive
>she wanted to go to a nearby lookout
>asks me if I want to makeout
>she's clearly nervous and anxious
>we makeout
>invite her back to my place
>continue to make out
>slowly clothes are coming off
>eventually both in just underwear
>she absolutely would not let her under her underwear
>she'd kinda let me touch her pussy through her underwear but would eventually stop me
>tried multiple times to go further but she just didn't want to
>we literally make out on and off for like 2 hours
>told me she went a Christian private school
>told me multiple times throughout the night how handsome I was
>eventually we chill, get dressed and I drop her off at home


What am I supposed to do in the situation?
I'm not the type to just rip women's underwear off while they are saying "no".
I'm not some hyper aggressive guy who doesn't care if they are "playing hard to get".
I'm the type of guy that wants the girl to want to have sex with me.
I'm the type of guy who likes to see the girl is enthusiastic
I've been with enough women that if they are DTF, they don't stop me at all.

I've been with quite a few women who say, "We aren't going to have sex tonight, I'm not that kind of girl" but then eventually have sex that night. It's usually a game of push and pull.

I've only been with maybe 3-4 girls that say they don't want to have sex or do anything down south. One was a 19 y/o from Korea. She was in just her underwear but wouldn't go further.

>>33389842
I asked her straight up since we live so close and she told me “it will never happen”. The sexting started afterwards at her behest randomly. When I asked her tonight she literally said “I never had nor will I have romantic feelings for you”, which was followed by me wishing her well and deleting her. The other anon was 100% right, it was stringing me along for validation and her boredom. She didn’t even put up a fight or seem like she cared, she said “you knew what this was” and basically told me she didn’t mind I was leaving.

Should i buy tinder premium? Has anyone had more success with it?
I don't get any matches at all.

Bros, thinking about growing my hair out again after realizing that there's a correlation between when I cut my hair and stopped getting attention from women.

>>33380597
I've been thinking about it. I think maybe what it was that happened was it was not that I got sick that made her reject me. Because she had already mentioned that before I saw her become irritated. I think it was when we finished eating we took the drinks and sat at another table, it was a long shared seat, kind of like a sofa. At first I sat down far from her. Then I said that she could move closer to me. When she didn't do that I moved closer to her after a while. I think that's when she started being a little irritated. She wanted to signal that she didn't want to get physical on the first date. But a lot of times YOU have to push it, two steps forward, one step back. Anyway I kept pushing it after we had left the venue. She seemed a little irritated even before I tried a second time actually when I said she looked like she was cold. Anyway I tried to hold her hand and she refused. Maybe she was still willing to give me a chance after that but I guess what made her reject me was the third time I tried to escalate when we were sitting on a bench and she sat upright and I told her she could lean back against the back rest. Maybe she thought then that she had given enough signals before that, and that I wasn't getting it. But honestly she was being an oversensitive bitch because it's normal that the guy is the one that has to push it, and the girl shows how far she wants to go. But some girls are like that, you try just a little bit they became very irritated, maybe it's a cultural thing that in some cultures even a little bit of being physical on the first date is taboo and considered being a whore, and the girl feels then that you are treating her like a whore and insulted. Or maybe the girl values you highly and has plans to meet again, and she feels that you value her lowly when you try to escalate on the first date so she's insulted by that.

>>33390134
Also when we were sitting with our first drink looking at the river she saw some kayaks and asked if I had ever done that. Maybe she wanted me to ask her if we could go kayaking together the next day. The weird thing though is that even though she seemed interested she never asked my name and that's usually a red flag.

>>33390062
I had long hair for 3 years, recently cut it short. I don't think women care about your hair. Actually I think most girls prefer short hair. I think you're just imagining. I kind of regret that I didn't try talking to girls with my hair hanging loose last summer, alternating between loose and ponytail to see which gave better results, I had it in a ponytail all the time. Don't know why it didn't even occur to me to try. Then this summer I cut it a little bit too short, too short for a ponytail which is annoying when you're eating, and I also thought it looked weird hanging loose. So I decided it was time to cut it short. Annoying because it takes a long time to grow it out. But shortly after cutting short a girl sat down on my bench next to me which rarely happens.

>>33390007
You haven't created enough sexual tension and comfort in her, whenever you move to the next step and she resists, take a step back and then continue progressing again, repeat the process until she gives in and completely surrenders. Obviously they are not logical but emotional, don't believe their words.

>>33390041
I bought it for like 15 euros for a year from some random website. The montly boost gets a bunch of matches I guess but I definitely wouldn't pay 15 euros a month or whatever they ask.

>>33390688
Learn to read

>>33390900
so you are just beta

Alright, I know this isn't the best option, but I have trouble meeting people right now so I might try my hand at dating apps
What do I need to know about those apps before creating an account? By that I mean: what kind of photos to take, what kind of bio (if it has any impact), what's the correct mindset to have, if that's an acceptable approach for an inexperienced man, etc.

>>33390978
I already talked about two steps forward and one step back retard. Literally didn't understand a fucking thing I said.

Men are not vanishing, they are retreating. From relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness - but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody, and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens. Everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable. And if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is. In the dark. Without distortion. Without irony. Without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges. And where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire: visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation

>>33357156
>mostly 6/10 that are non fat
I would be quite content with this, what's the issue?

>>33390041
If you can't get matches without premium, you won't be getting any with premium. The most important things on Tinder are rule 1&2 and a bit of social skill

>>33390989
You need good photos or dont bother. First shot where you face is clear, good lightning natural setting.
Second full body and clothes to show off your vibes.
Then it's kind of free, show off you doing hobbies, out with friends animals are a big plus etc. Selfies are bad.
Expect lots of ghosting matches not going anywhere girls just there to stroke their ego.
Do not draw out conversations endlessly just ask them out after showing you're not a total sperg.

For those of you on here who actually interact with girls, where are you meeting them, how are you approaching them and asking them out, and what do you say? If you're meeting them on apps, what apps and what is your profile and lines like?

>>33391477
Thank you

>>33391477
This. Also, don't go over 4 pictures, keep you bio short, like one or two sentences, no longer than this post

>>33391485
Bumble tinder hinge or raves irl.
See >>33391477 and >>33389800. I dont have a bio it's just the sunglasses emoji just give a short funny line if you can think of something. I dont have 'pickup lines' it's cringe imo, I comment on something interesting on their profile talk a bit and ask them out. You have to be specific with that dont say wanna hang out sometime?? Say you free to grab drinks this weekend? If she's "busy" or brushes you off you say ah allright and go to the next girl she's not interested.

Thanks to ChatGPT this thread is useless

>>33391657
Okay tranny

>>33391579
What are your pics like?

Has anyone here tried applying the principles of this book?

>>33391770
Like I said in the post

>>33391927
There's no mention of pictures in your post

>>33390688
That other guy wasn’t me. I’m not dumb, I’m well aware of pushing and pulling to make them feel comfortable and turned on. 9/10 it works. Like I said, we’d been kissing on and off for like 2 hours and I’d make my way down and she’d just block me again. She was clearly turned on and was wet. This has only happened like 3 times with a girl.

Seems they were comfortable enough to be basically naked but not go all the way. What I’ve noticed is this usually happens with younger girls in their early 20s and under. Older women don’t usually play these games. Maybe if I was some aggressive guy that didn’t care about potentially catching a case, then ripping off her underwear and going “oops” would be a play. But I like girls who are so into me that they don’t even resist, which is most if we’re already kissing.

Does anyone have experience getting girls from the gym? I’ve tried dating apps but I get zero matches even after putting up better photos and sticking some carefree jokes in my bio so real life it is.
>just pay for gold bro
Like >>33391458 said if you ain’t getting matches without premium, you’ll get zero with it. And the gym is one of the few times I see attractive girls around.

>>33391785
apply the principles of this one instead, it's about manipulation

https://www.amazon.com/Manual-What-Women-Want-Give/dp/1456494554

>>33392191
Yes or no answer please.
>manipulation
DEFM is about natural game, no need for that. Not that I oppose "manipulation" (everyone manipualtes in the end), but it seems to be more work and I want to do as little work as possible to get the most results.

I almost always miss the chance to approach girls who show interest. Happened again today. Was in one of my regular daygame places. Walked in, looked around for girls, saw none. Then when I turned around and started walking out I saw a hot girl sitting on the bench behind me, at one end of it as if to make space for a guy, staring at me and smiling. Fucking chickened out as always happens with girls who show interest.

how the fuck do some dudes get in the mindset of fucking a married women or colleague at work. Like how do you even get there mindset wise in terms of not caring about the consequences?

I had some chances but was always too scared

>>33392269
That's why your book is generic as fuck

>found a girl I used to go to elementary school with on an app
>uber hot redhead, but is poly and other weird shit

How do I try and match with her? Just regular like and wait, or try hard with a super like and mention we used to go to school together lmao? Should I even bring it up if we match? We never really talked or anything and it was only 2 grades we had a class together. Ive met people from elementary school now as adults and they have found my autisticly detailed memory of my childhood events to be weird so I almost dont want to bring it up.....

>>33358097
>Women aren't secretly against you
True, but they are biologically programmed to find you unattractive once you show them affection or too much attention. Women don't want you to be shitty to them but unfortunately, subconsciously they do.

It's so fucking painful, I just want to be honest and be a decent guy but whenever I'm my true self women lose interest. When I'm shitty or ignore them they can't get enough of me. Women are fucking vile and the awful thing is they just can't help it, it's how evolution has made them.

>>33392456
>he doesn't know

>>33392168
>>just pay for gold bro
it's a fucking waste of money, if anything the app seems to show you to less women, as soon as your subscription ends you then get likes. all done to make you reinstate your subscription

>>33390007
>told me she went a Christian private school

Christian here. Sounds like she put herself in a morally compromising situation but ultimately didn't want to take the leap. In my early 20's I was in a weird spot where I wasn't exactly sure what I believed in. I did this a lot and blueballed a handful of women where I got this close to sex, then stopped because I couldn't get past my own values on sex. It's like you think you want to, but do you actually have the strength to overpower the 20 years of religious/moral conditioning on sex? Some people can, some people can't.
And it's not that alone. I had a good conversation with a friend who was raised atheist and he couldn't do hookups, because even though he didn't have any religious qualms about it, he couldn't find it in him to want to have sex with someone without an emotional connection. He didn't know that about himself until he tried to hook up with a girl and had an awful experience. Some people are simply 'not wired' for hookups and need to be in a relationship before sex. When you get involved with someone like that, you get someone who might want to dip their toes in the water but then not want to get in, like you experienced.

I think you handled it as best you could by reading the room and not pressuring her. I don't think you're getting anything no-strings-attached out of that girl. You could maybe date her, but do you want that?

>>33392100
>Older women don’t usually play these games.
Older women tend to have their moral views on sex figured out. This girl did not, and no amount of "comfortable" will make her have sex with you when the whole predicament is in her head.

I met a girl through mutual friends on Friday, but was retarded and didn't ask her for her number. Do I just add her on instagram and try DMing her? Or do I try visiting her church and asking her for her number? I go to a different church, but I'm friends with a guy who goes to her church and we know each other through a university christian club.

Yes

>>33392723
Yes Insta first. If you're a zoomer, it's considered more public than their number, which is considered private (from what I can tell as a millennial).

>>33392696
Hey, I appreciate the reply, especially from a Christian. She did mention that she had a boyfriend before and it took them a month to get intimate. I guess for me, it's hard to understand why a girl would literally be okay with stripping down to just panties but not going any further.

Maybe she was looking for a man that would be 100% OK without having sex. If you say you don't want to have sex but then be the one to initiate making out and then are soon only in panties, it just gives off mixed signals.

If she was adamant about not taking her clothes off (which effortless came off btw), I wouldn't have assumed she was just talking to talk.

It also doesn't help that I saw her profile on all mainstream dating apps where she is wearing a semi skimpy bikini in like 2 photos. I'm always open to date and get into relationships with these types of girls but they need to communicate that is what they want. The other thing is that she is just visiting home for the summer before she goes back to Uni in another state in 3 weeks. So I'm not really sure what she is trying to find on dating apps if she isn't even going to be here in 3 weeks. Now she thinks I only want hookups from her. She did everything a girl that was DTF would do besides the F part.

From my dating experience, if I don't at least go for the lay on the first night, I usually get ghosted anyways.

>Made eye contact a bunch of times with a 6/10 on transport on the way back from work
>Eyes jittered away each time
What are some eye-straining exercises to stop doing this

>>33357010 (OP)
That copy pasta about how there is successful women who marry unsuccessful Chads is simply not true. I have literally seen the opposite happen chads who marry unsuccessful Stacies. You guys never mention just how common it is for guy to just marry a lazy bitch working a dead end job. I see it all the time heck your parents might just be that. Women can get by on just looks. A man can't

Yea

I'm not even bad with women. I just have literally no outlet or third space to meet a woman anymore. I literally have been hoping for a chance encounter for like 4 years now and I'm 30. I'm going to just start asking out fast food cuties soon out of frustration desu. It was way different even a decade ago, people were more outgoing and social when out and about daily. Now everyone is hesitant and scared of each other.

>>33392650
I've experienced the same issue. It is absolutely disgusting. I don't think the ideal love I want is something of this world.

>>33392383
How do you even find a daygame place? And for fucks sake please dont say starcucks

I seem to give a player vibe to women. I am outgoing but it's a recent thing. I have fucked 10 girls in my life, I'm in my mid 30's.
I just finished a nonconsensual fling (I was in love, was convinced she was, so I was essentially raped) with my first 10/10 "gf". She had told me I have a rock star vibe and I've probably fucked 20+ women. She was 20, apparently only had 1 bf, didn't mention her body count but her dick sucking skills were amazing. At the end of the fling, she said something like "you just want to fuck me, I don't feel like you love me" when I had been trying to plan our future all by myself because surprise surprise she was going to leave me anyway.
Tldr, 10/10 gave me the best compliments I've ever received, but literally no girls even compare to her beauty so I currently can't be fucked to try this new confidence.
I've since had a date with a 7/10 dressed like a slut, I felt 0 desire to even touch her. Just spoke to 3 women today who looked hot but they opened their mouths and I lost all interest. At the same time, it's not me who decides for them, the girl.decides, so why aren't these mid girls deciding to have good conversations with me like the 10/10's? How Is that a thing? I've been rejected by more mid girls than hot girls, but I hardly ever see or get in a situation where I can talk to a hot girl. What do you call this?

>>33380314
bro this shit is FUCKING INSANE.
i went from this slow agonizing torture that most would have just skipped over, to her asking me for my number an hour ago and blowing my shit up nonstop.
christ somehow every line of text i typed just got her to slowly like me more and more and i honestly wasn't even trying

>>33394957
Anywhere there are girls. I prefer places with a lot of benches.

>>33391485
Work, office and out of office parties. Padel tournaments.

I simply ask questions about life and go deeper how she is feeling about things. I do not give advice and I do not make a conversation about myself. I let them rent and validate them with body language and tone. Make them feel heard and understood.
If at some point I understand that she does not ask questions back or shows no intrests in my thoughts then I just smoothly leave the conversations. If it feels like a drag or real push then respect yourself. Rejection sometimes works. Some understood that they were not asking questions and have come back to resume with the conversation.

You simply have to beat the market to be seen and in my 'market', my fellow men simply do not ask deep questions, dont stop giving advice or stop talking about themselves.

Do you really want to be compared to this:
"although scientists have communicated with apes for decades via sign language, apes have never asked one question."

>>33394741
No problem.

If I had to guess, maybe she had 3 weeks so she thought she'd try hookup culture (probably pressured/suggested from a girlfriend of hers, or worse, online friends), got as far as she did with you and then choked on her morals. Even if you leave your religion, it's not always an overnight thing where you drop every single part of its teaching. That's why they call it a "deconstruction" process. A lot of people will have take time having to rebuild their morality, deciding what they will and will not keep from their upbringing.

In freshman year of uni I had a catholic friend who wasn't sure what he wanted with the mormon girl he was dating, but were still exploring each others' sheltered sexuality. He mentioned they'd get as far as stripping down to their underwear with each other but both of them got cold feet after that lol, but they were both 18yo virgins so that's a little different.

>>33392442
what are you afraid of?
when she wants a fling and keeps her mouth shut, then what consequences?
besides, some married couples have free passed during christmas parties - both sides have agreed to go wild for one day

I'm unlucky to live in a small town of 14,000 people.

I have no women to hook up with, and I'm a handsome guy, but because of this demographic problem, I'm doomed.

>>33375695
Another one lost to history’s emotional wheelbarrow syndrome

>>33375695
Cofee is a drink

>>33367432
>She's checking if you're still on her leash
has happened to me. literal sociopathy. they know they don't fw you but like the attention and ego boost. feels really good to not give in on their dumb games.

>>33396168
lol

So I ended up inviting her to the opera, she said no, saying she already had plans that day. I don't think I should have done that. But yeah, I'll probably be a little more hesitant to do anything involving her until she shows clear interest like the other anon suggested. I should've learned sooner.

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