I’m 40m looking for women between 25 - 30 (edge cases apply). What would new the minimum stats needed to attract and retain women? I’ll take all data points for pic related. Break it down by women attractiveness rating (1 -10):

1 - 5: n/a
6: xxx
7: xxx
8: xxx
9: xxx
10: infinity

The reason I ask is because I took a year of dating when the last 5 women I met had serious red flags (ie. criminal history, BPD, self-harm, too old to be partying)

For the record, I’m in shape and make six figs, but I’m heading up to New England after buying a home with an FHA. Lots of social hobbies and boinked 70+, so I’m not an incrl:

>>33449099 (OP)
i think generally you just have to be a better option than men her age (unless you're actively seeking younger women that are ONLY into older guys-- imo that preselects for at least mild baggage), as well as a better option than men your age. so i guess if you're in an area that has a lot of losery men?

if ur in shape, making money, social and relatively normal, i feel like that's the most u can do. are you looking to start a family or just kinda date around?

>>33449349
OP here.

I like the kids + harem, no marriage (common law sure, cuz taking ten years of someone’s life means you’re responsible)
> inb4 cuck

About 3/4 of my friend group is childless (we met in Portland, OR and mostly live elsewhere), so I think there will be an opportunity surplus aunties” to raise children in a longhouse format, but me as the provider and dictator.

See:

https://youtu.be/Q6O-W1AzFiw?si=_qwKPhA_J7EzEaAR

I think this gives me variety and sexual freedom, which women would be more amenable to (ie. hot tubs, clothing optional homes, socialization, communal living, BDSM, homeschooling).

I freelance and have launched a number of affiliate sites, so I think employing these roasties with a site each to manage would be a way of ensuring everyone is free to enjoy their lives and benefit from the cross-pollination. Handling household chores and providing structure (3 women tops). Lesbianism encouraged

>>33449099 (OP)
Be aware that if a younger woman is into older men, there is a 100% probability that she has BPD.

>>33449457
That’s what the other women are for. They keep the other ones in line

>>33449418
wouldn't you agree it's hard enough for a 40 year old man to find one younger women to be with him, let alone multiple who are willing to give up monogamy in order to live as sisterwives to you, their daddy-God?

>>33449494
I’d assume it would be counterintuitive and they’d enjoy the adventure/alternative setup. And when one acts up, you swap in a new one every couple of years on good terms (ie. set her up with a local beta). Then you can establish trade networks to diversify goods and offer community protection. This increases my sphere of influence and lead the next generation to prosperity. It also gives me a greater parachute to retire, more people that are directly tied to my downfall.

Plus, I can give them a female harem from WWOOF’ing, which is basically trust fund slaves. Those further increase trade networks. Plus they can pay me in blowjobs - I know this speculative but I think it will work

>>33449580
this is sounding like sex trafficking

>>33449584
No, but they can engage in sex or leave as they please. Pretty straightforward, ass grass or cash - no one rides for free

Im in a similar boat, in a way... maybe not so interested in having some kind of poly harem. I'm about to turn 38 in a couple weeks and I have a very strong preference for younger women. It's not just physical (though I can't deny that's a factor) but also on a personality level - I had a pretty rough life when I was younger. Now I'm coming into full bloom. I'm finally pursuing my dream career goals, I'm getting serious about my artistic hobbies, I got into triathlon and parkour so I'm in the best shape of my life, and I go out multiple times a week... what I see from a lot of people our age men and women alike is that for a lot of them this is when they start to give up, tire out, settle. I feel ill-matched with people going that way when I've been off like a rocket since I got into my late 30s, and I feel like I'd complement a younger girlfriend/wife well on that level. I dont really have any advice but I'll be watching this thread with interest.

>>33449099 (OP)
first off lower your standards

>>33449851
OP here: exactly my sentiments. I actually am chatting with a 45f just to stay in practice, but it’s apparent that her best years are over (and she’s about to be a felon).

The younger women are simply a better match. I’ve been a late bloomer all my life so now that money has aligned and I avoided a midlife crisis by getting out my jollies (travel, sex, hitchhiking, touring in a band, etc), I feel that finding some sweet young things is commensurate with my energy levels. Younger me simply didn’t develop the necessary pimp hand and monetary backing that would help me achieve a harem (or at least a hot ride-or-die bottom bitch + lesbian additions for variety).

As it stands now, I moved to Ohio years back from NH right after COVID for the LCOL, and the plan worked, where I am now in a position to build a life that simply wasn’t possible in 2008 (when I was first emerging to make wealth in my 20s).

I’ve read a lot of redpill stuff on this setup and it seems like having a quasi-daddy/daughter relationship is what women crave. I’ve seen this multiple times when I’d host my ex’s friends, who melt in my presence when they see that I take care of the logistics so they can be freely feminine.

>>33449896
Explain

>>33449099 (OP)
>fit
>"social hobbies"
>6 figure income
>insane body count
>hurr durr how i get yunn wimin xD
I can't believe you guys are this easy to bait

>40
>dating younger women
Why? At that point you should just be getting sex from them and letting some idiot date them.

>>33450516
Not bait, just asking real questions and advice from our peers. I can’t believe you’re so easily demoralized that you can’t understand modern dating dynamics.

>>33450525
OP here:

So to form the cult of a harem, I have to structure. So playing music like this might work:

https://voca.ro/1m7U3gHMPvbT

I know of a lot of bitches in the crunchy granola vein. Hippies could be good if they’re conscientious and pleasant.

>>33450939
The homeschooling is the hard part though, as I think most school curriculum could be learnt by the time a child is 12. Similarly, you can give your kid perfect pitch and the ability to learn all the available sounds in languages if you catch that shit early. Past 4, they’ll have to work without these skills and I think polyglot is a necessity in the next decade.

>>33449349
>if ur in shape, making money, social and relatively normal
bruh people like that are not asking things here

>>33451176
Believe it or not, normal people are the actual weirdos. I worked jobs with normies and they snap in frightening ways.

I just think that being a warlord with a harem doesn’t require resources so much as mindset. Pic very related

>>33449099 (OP)
Personal observation it depends insanely on location. I am working remotely and in my native country it is much harder because the moment I reveal my age women early 20s close off totally, being over 30 (31) for many if not most is a total issue for them. In other countries they don't care at all. It is largely social programming I think and the fact that leftist values give women a false sense of abundance of options. In Eastern Europe not one woman cared, same in Muslim countries.
> He is successful and looks good but this one variable isn't good enough, maybe I can find someone just like him but 5 years younger which is more socially acceptable
The irony is that the women usually looked worse than the ones abroad so its really crazy if you think this through

By that, I mean it changes drastically in the neighboring country and its groups within it. It is not like I have to fly to Thailand or something like that for different results. As little as a 4 hour busdrive can change things drastically so it is clearly not a genetically inbuilt type of a preference but a socially learned preference. It also depends what group the womans sees herself part of, very lefty women are against age gaps usually, even normies are rather ambivalent depending on whether they find the man attractive or not.

>>33451707
In the USA, I’ve seen plenty of age gap relationships, although you’re right - leftist programming made all women feel a sense of entitlement despite not having the prerequisites to demand such choosiness.

Now that the economy is tanking, I think most young women realize imminent danger and are all about picking the winning team and waiting it out for their available options (which will further dwindle in 2026).

I’ve had more women flirt with 1488 stuff when they realize that the reasons they can’t go for a moonlight stroll or even park their car at a supermarket. By providing safety and security, they’re willing to overlook massive flaws. I managed to date the aforementioned 20 yo’s without a car (it was in the shop for a month) because I had a house to myself - a clear contrast from their dismal living situations. This type of value arbitrage is what I can leverage for the harem.

>>33451728
Yes, my goal is to head up to New England, where unorthodox relations are available in the semi-remote places, but a 20-minute drive in to a major city (like Concord, NH) means access to all major services without dealing with the hassles and restrictions that come from city living.

I think the real reason women are changing is their realization of SSRIs and birth control. One lesbian I knew was cycling off an SSRI after weaning off on another one. Even in the context of that lesbian dynamic, her inability to see that her misery came from denying urgent biological mechanisms and the mundane existence of taking care of the other lesbo’s kids. It points the finger squarely at the pharmajoo. She got married recently to another lesbo in less than a year. This is also not yo mention her house was filled with multiple boxes of wine and at least four cats. The memes are real.

>>33449099 (OP)
bruh, women aren't vending machines where you level up stats and attain higher levels

>>33452148
The USA is very pozzed in terms of sexuality and men let women get away with too much in terms of inequality. They want to have all the amenities of 1950 only with the protection and independence of now

>>33452155
based and OP is a pedo tranny billed

>>33449099 (OP)
>I’ll take all data points for pic related.
understand three basic principles. Right place, right time, right guy. Even the most attractive men are incels most of the time, they cannot get mates or sex any time they choose- until they do score. So understand this first of all. This was the main drive for men in civilized men throughout human history- the ability to form relationship bonds with women and procreate. So you are not alone in this sentiment, and it isn't anything new.
>The reason I ask is because I took a year of dating when the last 5 women I met had serious red flags
it sounds like a filtering or selection problem. If you are attracting these kind of women, you don't have boundaries. You probably let them walk all over you and take advantage of your resources because your relationship knowledge is still that of a 13 year old child. Learn where to draw the line and how to filter women.
>Tips for older men dating young women
women these days are open to dating older men. So it should not be an obstacle. What is an obstacle though is your mindset and expectations. Since you are older, you are competing with everyone else younger than you that also want those women. So offer something they cannot and that is your advantage. It also helps to try dating and different nations- an international.

>>33451728
>It also depends what group the womans sees herself part of, very lefty women are against age gaps usually, even normies are rather ambivalent depending on whether they find the man attractive or not.

To add to this, I’ve noticed Boomers turn a blind eye to age gap relationships and even sex offenders that hit a charge for hitting up a 15 year old when they were 22.

I think the lefty’s are against it because of bioleninism. They believe that they should have access to top-tier men because they’re “doing the work” to change society while being fashionable and sidesteps their unattractiveness. Which is a mindset of a man, and many of them actively seek out weakened men to control.

What’s funny is that those marriages all broke up once the dude was emasculated. One such dude was convinced he was a woman and is in the process of transitioning. Bear in mind, this dude was molested by a woman when he was younger and was encouraged to take Xanax and other heavy sedation meds. I lived with them for three months and watched how she would nag or feign OCD, all of which made him her slave. She also pursued an open marriage, dating 9/10 men and even trying to date a post-op transgender - she literally asked me to help her research how to pleasure their neo-clit. That’s right, this person wanted the idea of dating a trans without ever seeing the reality. I later found out she was taking medication, too, so that’s an automatic no for me.

>>33452179
I agree with you- most of these young relationships were gotten from in-person meetings at stores, bars, and a few on Tinder (I know, I know). Older ones sought me out when I was mowing my lawn, so I know I’m like an 8/10 comparative to their bfs (who were derelicts).

Again, this is a local problem (I then lived in the rust belt, so all the good ones moved elsewhere or stayed in tight social circles). So that’s why I’m moving in the winter and hitting up gardening nurseries/upscale coffee shops, where women deliberately place themselves to filter out the riffraff.

Pic related in the type of quirk chungus I can tolerate. I’ll let her carbonate my drinks and work on an old VCR. In exchange, tight pussy and father-daughter dynamic.

>>33452220
i'm into older men and think a father-daughter dynamic is hot but i do wonder if that desire is not something to be encouraged. like idk if that's conducive to a stable, loving relationship that results in many children and long years of love. i feel like a lot of guys into this dynamic are strange (hell, the women are too and i'm not exempt), this thread being a great example of that

>>33452348
I’ve seen plenty of women who skirt the daddy-daughter dynamic, and it seems healthier than fighting with a “partner” who doesn’t understand the sacrifices men make. That dynamic is poison.

I spent my 20s and 30s pouring out my heart and pledging undying loyalty to several honeys, but they chose poorly. One married a rich manlet in her hometown of Morristown (she first dated a 50 yo gallery owner when she first got home until her dad punched him out), but she’d still come to visit me when I lived an hour away. One drunk night, she sent me a picture of a care package I sent a decade prior, with poems, short stories of our dates, and plastic to-go ramekins with whiskey I jacked from my old job. On some level, she just wanted to be taken care of.

Another honey chose a guy who literally finger painted as his art medium after graduating art college. Their marriage lasted less than a year when she started sending my ex gf nudes. He smashed her phone and she divorced him, taking some money to start a welding career and now makes, in her words, “elaborate shit for lesbian couples”.

>>33452348
> i'm into older men and think a father-daughter dynamic is hot

Go on…

In all seriousness, I have to ask for all the lurkers: what makes it hot? I think if we had some data points, a lot of women can find caring relationships and men can adjust their dating styles to accommodate these women.

Bear in mind, I’ve seen nightmare scenarios. One dude who picked me up hitching in NotCal told me how he met a girl hitching, but she eventually slept in his bed by her request and started sucking his dick. Needless to say, she was still there years later. He also said that he had a roofing company in Santa Cruz that hired women that stayed at his house and they’d all work topless in the sun. He said he’d host them until they got in their feet and then they’d recommend new ones. I’d hope he was telling the truth, but I can see this working like hippie communes. My difference is that I’d be in charge and I’d let women feed the chickens and goats. If they want, I can then set them up with a business and write off their payments as tax write offs. Once they’re comfy with the arrangement, then we can start talking about family planning, long-term accommodations, and what their future plans are. Having the chicks come in to WWOOF means that they’d get stimulation from new people, but also see the plight of unattached womens.

>>33452589
i like the idea of being at the mercy of someone bigger, stronger, and older than me. like "he could slam me into a wall and kill me with his bare hands but he won't do that because he loves me". also idk something about a sarcastic, patronizing tone coming from someone who knows better than you is hot. i also like the idea of being held by someone who just always knows what to do, like no matter what unexpected situation arises you can look to them and they will tell you what to do. i've just always liked following directions and being praised for it

my main issue is i really want a husband and kids, and as normal a life that you can get, while also having a pretty kinky sex life. just as OP was worried about dating who had serious red flags (BPD, self-harm), i worry a deep interest in this kind of kink dynamic is a bit of a red flag for a man (which i know is ironic to say as a woman who's into it), i just worry about the porn addiction side of all this i guess. i wish i was into something more vanilla, but i've come to the conclusion that's just not gonna happen

>>33452643
>just as OP was worried about dating who had serious red flags (BPD, self-harm)
You also sound pretty much a person with BPD (and/or CPTSD)

>>33452667
i know it's not that believeable since i'm into ddlg dynamics but i really don't have any major mental health issues. anxiety and probably some attachment issues but the weirdest thing about me is the kink stuff. i can maintain long-term relationships, i have a pretty concrete sense of self, not prone to freakouts

>>33452689
OP here again (I’m like 3/4 of the posts):

Not to be raunchy, but can you describe the kink stuff? I have had threesomes and foursome with women who all acted submissive, and one who demanded to be hit (we had a safe word). To be honest, they had a great time and it became a regular thing, taking shrooms and being intimate. One woman had a hard birth, so she’d pee when she came and it wasn’t a big issue for all the participants. I think the taboo of bodily functions (and resultant kinks) is antithetical to most relationships, as anyone in a dedicated relationship gets pretty comfy with each others poop stink, body odor, period blood, and urine. Being accepting of that makes the variety of sex more versatile than just vanilla missionary.

As for other kinks, like BDSM, those are easy to achieve and develop. I worked as a hypnotist, so I would set anchors that I could telegraph to my gf in “prim and proper setting” until she’d be bursting at the seams to get relief. As long as she knows that I won’t hurt her but be able to bring her up to the line of novelty without harm, they lived it.

>>33452753
yeah my own kink stuff i think is relatively similar to what most women want, broadly speaking. i like power dynamics, physical discipline, dirty talk, some breeding stuff, a little bit of a struggle, but undercurrents of affection throughout. i don't have that much sexual experience so this is all sort of general

>>33452790
Ok, that makes sense. I typically avoid women who frontload dating with “I’m a sub” because that tends to mean that they’re unstable. However, I’ve known plenty of women who thanked me for choking them or slapping them when they’re about to cum.

However, crazy women use this as a pretext to fake a five state and after the orgasm, they pretend to “wake up” and say, “OMG, you’re so rough. You know I can report you for rape.” That same girl then claimed me as her boyfriend for a week until I visited her as a “bomb defusal”. Total nutcase that admitted to making money on Seeking Arrangements (!!!) the day before I took her out to a restaurant.

Hence, the harem would be like a safety net because the other women would be like, bitch please.

>>33452689
Do you use binkys and little girl clothing?

>>33455095
Screw that, women are great. Stay out of New Hampshire

>>33450706
> picrel
Man, God bless the Greeks who made that.

>>33454887
no, i'm not into that

>>33455715
I will use this as bait for my harem

>>33456064
Ok, that makes sense. See, I find the ddlg dynamic hot too, but when it requires paraphernalia and elaborate suspension of reality, that starts to worry me as a man. Fugue states are no joke, and it’s easy to catch a charge when she suddenly “forgets”. I assume it’s more about spanking, which makes more sense when a woman “acts out” as a “brat”.

>>33456161
it's interesting, some women call it "sub space", where they genuinely feel like they're in such a mindset where they couldn't say no even if they wanted to. i think they might feel if they were ordered to do something in that state, it wouldn't be entirely consensual, and that underscores the importance of having a dom who understands your limits and respects them. i'm not sure if it's 100% real but interesting

>>33452348
>i'm into older men and think a father-daughter dynamic is hot but i do wonder if that desire is not something to be encouraged. like idk if that's conducive to a stable, loving relationship that results in many children and long years of love.
Not least the fact the fact that he'll be fucking your daughters as soon as they reach puberty.

>>33456635
that is also a genuine fear i have

>>33456601
>subspace
>i'm not sure if it's 100% real
Speaking as an experienced dom: it is absolutely real, and it's the reason why a number of the rules and conventions that exist within BDSM are essential. It's the reason why, for example, you have to negotiate everything beforehand and not during the scene.

>>33456927
cool! what are the psychological drivers behind it? i wonder if something similar happens in other non-sexual areas of life

>>33456984
>what are the psychological drivers behind it?
It's not a million miles away from deep hypnosis. The ability to think rationally shuts down, so they're purely feeling, not thinking, and highly suggestible. Subjectively it feels to them as if everything, even their own actions, simply *happens* without the slightest physical or mental effort required. It's simultaneously effortless and extremely intense.

>>33456635
>OP here again:
I don't think that's as much as an issue with genetic similarity versus stepchildren/stepparents. That doesn't even cross my mind - it's more about establishing a dynamic where everyone has a keen understanding of what they're engaging in. That takes consent - not going to get Reddit-tier trying to explain the difference.

Again, the impetus for the post is that I think older men can fulfill a role that's largely been missing from women. I had many opportunities to meet women who HATED being on their own while having a near-unquenchable need for paternal guidance.

One joo I met in Dover, NH told me that a man she met b4 me explicitly demanded anal on the first encounter. Once I found out what she was into, she followed me around NH and MA to hookup and receive paternal guidance in a bar parking lot. When I asked her why she had a DDLG fetish, she said it was because her father was always working to provide, but wasn't "available" for her. I get it, it's a double-bind that men have to strategize against (ie. being a provider versus being present). Even being in her mid-20s, her bedroom had everything in pink and child-like.. When she handed me a controller for the TV, she playfully jabbed me with "Oh, you're too old to know how to do that, daddy."

It was a cool setup, and I can see how she could mentally switch from being a responsible adult to being a degenerate. I would say that 80% CRAVED this playfulness.

Now, with a harem and our future children, having a "longhouse" for these women to take turns being responsible versus being free is the goal. I'm not a dictator, but I'm good at delegating and resolving conflict. I've worked on weed farms in CA and I quickly saw how women left to their own devices become catty without any man to oversee them. Once they trusted me, I took two of them to sex shops in the Castro and helped the lesbo of the group get reamed by some Asian graphic designer with a fancy business card.

>>33456984
schema reaction from childhood traumas (inbefore broken girls: everyone have those - see more: Jeffrey Young) it happens in a non-sexual stuations also often just most people don't realize that. "it just felt right" "I don't know how it just happened to me as if I watch it from outside" "like a button pushed inside me to react like that""I knew it will be happen but must to do it". All of these follow the same patterns. Doms use this at bedroom. Narcissist even outside too.

>>33457060
bretty fascinating desu

I think as things fall into anomie (ie. mouse utopia), this will only exponentiate. Being able to get in more psychological training under my belt (albeit autodidactically), this harem could be a positive thing for everyone.

I briefly worked for a jooish client that was teaching KINK in terms of healing properties, but this burnt-out raver was the last person I'd want to facilitate a shibari session that confronts some unknown trauma. Her understanding of psychology was extremely limited to what she had processed during Burning Man, ecstatic dancing, and raves, but I feel that if I had an even deeper psychological understanding, I could harness the harem and help them self-actualize (have babies, create a community, homeschool, run holistic businesses like upscale coffee shops).

Now, the main problem is where to find quality young women. I'm thinking of moving to adjacent college towns for artsy girls (think North Adams -> Williamstown, MA), and then importing them to a setup that pales in comparison to their classmates and the trustfund kids they see every day. I mean, how cool would it be to have an artist colony of women with children learning a real education. And yeah, getting double blowjobs on the regular. Sue me.

If any ladies are reading, what would be the ideal set up like this?
>I'm not trying to be gross, but I want to make this a reality

>>33457032
>>33457060
sounds kinda euphoric. what are the events that usually precede it? it is just a particularly intense scene?

>>33457308
you mean the triggers? Different person to person. Also even if the particular schema works in somebody there are a lot of factors how they mage it (submit to it, overcompensate, repress). No need to be intense but need to be triuggering (remember the "Are you chicken Mycfly?" from Back to the Future. Exactly like that)

>>33457327
OP again but this person is killing it

This starts to get into an ethical territory, where a paternal role of "I know what's best" meets a malleable person (who may not or may be engaging in behaviors that are counterproductive/maladjusted). I think this is where women tend to get leery of men proposing this setup, as how can they trust you if they can't even trust themselves to do the right thing depending on the circumstances? Not even that, if you even proposed to help them work on their issues, there's no guarantee that this person would be playing along for some positive exchange (ie. companionship, shelter) and looking for the next opportunity - which I believe is characteristic of BPD.

Most of the ex-girlfriends I've had where I've initiated the breakups typically had to do with their inability to articulate psychological needs. It's hard enough being a man in a relationship, but being a mindreader is really difficult. One girl had cut her thighs, but I soon found out her domineering mother was the source of the issue. The mother dragged her to therapy as a method of control, staged a failed intervention, and even accused her her father of molesting her (in an attempt to find the "source" of her "bad" behavior). All of that which pointed to the mother herself was acting out some intragenerational schema to perpetuate misery.

Armed with the schema list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maladaptive_schemas), it can be easy to manipulate people unethically like a sociopath.
>just my two bits

>>33457327
how do you resolve your schema? and can you have multiple?

>>33457469
>how do you resolve your schema
Scheme therapy. Most common therapy for personality disorders (yep, these stuff can make people fubar)
>and can you have multiple?
A lot f people have multiple. And this is where the things get chaotic when they start tro interact. (one schem get repressed, and other emerges because of that. Or in the more awared phase when one schema triger get recognezed and deflected but it activates another one... ) pretty messed up stuff.

>>33457497
Here's one such thread on this topic:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/451827144/#451845065

This type of therapy tracks, as I can see parallels between MKUltra conditioning (ex. Britney Spears crashouts going bald, hypersexuality).

So question I have for my harem:

Sexual intercouse can be used as a therapy tool? I mean, we can see that people who penetrated tend to have a feeling of complete vulnerability, no? And if you steer them towards good outcomes (of their choosing when in a positive mindset), this can rewire their behavior for the better? I mean, it's like Britney dancing with knives in sexually provocative videos or actresses crashing out by bogging themselves. Unresolved trauma?

Anyways, I really appreciate the discourse here. I don't want to go blind in having a quasi-sex cult and I want to elevate those who are commensurate with my values.

I mean, I've had cathartic sex parties with my close friends and we've grown closer as a result. And while they've obviously regressed, the afterglow and warmth of how we interacted was better than any "tell me what you're feeling" rabbithole I briefly experience in a few therapy sessions (as a male).

So ur never gonna meet her parents heh

>>33457308
>sounds kinda euphoric.
Intensely so. Subs use words like "magical" or "religious" to describe it. It's also sometimes experienced (somewhat paradoxically) as a state of absolute freedom: the sub is no longer responsible for anything, and can therefore do absolutely anything without having to *feel* responsible, which is rather exciting.
>what are the events that usually precede it? it is just a particularly intense scene?
Yes and no. Building trust is extremely important: the sub has to know with absolute certainly that she can trust you not to take advantage, otherwise she'll be too wary to let herself get into that state. There are things you can do to help guide her into it, but they have to be highly personalised to the way each sub subjectively experiences it. In some cases there's a chemical element too: masochists being beaten produce a lot of endorphins in their bodies and end up experiencing something like a heroin high; that can help.

>>33457613
>Sexual intercouse can be used as a therapy tool?
Maaaybe. Basically it's just the deepest connection (no pun intended) between two person. Any result of that leave deep marks either bad or good. The tricky part is that if the sexual act caused the trauma (more common than you think) it can triggering it even more. (my latest ex had so hard that in the middle of it she went from "harder" straight to hysterically sobbing in a heartbeat.)
>Britney dancing with knives in sexually provocative videos
>(ex. Britney Spears crashouts going bald, hypersexuality).
Risky behavior, hypersexuality, meltdown, impulsiveness... CPTSD and/or BPD most likely (could be a bunch of comorbities either and or both. I've learned it in a hard way)

>>33457704
One idea I've had for this harem is to grow easy-to-achieve vegetables (like squash, cucumbers, melons) as a way of keeping everyone on track. Similarly, having tiny animals like goats, guinea pigs, chickens, rabbits, and ducks could be used in both a productive sense and a therapeutic sense. After all, no one wants to let down those cute buggers and the satisfaction of sustained effort probably will provide structure to everyone's lives. Not to mention profits from Farmers Markets, whom I suspect many young women are already in a type of harem setup.

Bear in mind, I've been on communes and heard nightmare stories elsewhere, where rival factions appear and people get poached by opportunistic outsiders. Then again, my experience of hosting my ex gfs' friends showed me that people really appreciated the ability to let their hair down and have their needs taken care of.
> I am not opposed to a "satellite" harem

Again, my idea is that there are a surplus of women and a scarcity of competent males. Having a homestead that functions as a "safe place" should be irresistible. Those that are unhappy can leave at will.

>>33457760
Sounds like a cult. Even if there is a free out, if they are convinced to leave is bad they will stay. (I know religious cults that work exactly like this)
From this point things can go downhill incredibly fast. Power changes people. (this is the most important moral of the LotR btw) When you relaize how easy to manipulete them they will not be those cute buggers anymore but puppets for experiment. What they can do without deny? What they can do with suspended force? with actual force? Will they break the law if you tell them? Will they hurt themselves? or each other? the list is long... there is no evil here per se, just curiosity.. aplied psychology research...
Don't say that you are not like this. You're probably right. For now. I know the deduction above is so slippery slope that almost vertical but history provedmany times that only the purest people not turn to evil under the taste of power.

>>33457822
>I know the deduction above is so slippery slope that almost vertical but history provedmany times that only the purest people not turn to evil under the taste of power.

Agree. With great power comes great responsibility. I don't have any airs of religiosity, nor a desire to run a cult. But 3 women tops + children, as well as those who visit seems sustainable. 3 is too unstable of a dynamic, but 4 is just right.

Not to go down a cult path, but I think another world war is inevitable (we're in one right now) and most people would prefer the security of homegrown food, vetted socializing, and the ability to go from a rural -> city environment at will. I mean, how safe are you going to be in a downtown area shooting off emails or WFH by yourself as a woman? I've been in several scenarios in my life where money doesn't matter, but the access to food and shelter was greatly appreciated.

I worked on several working weed communes in California, and I saw what mismanagement was. I mean, we're talking about crossbows, meth, and pitbulls. That's NOT what I want, and the entire workforce went on strike when we didn't get paid. Me? I'd rather pay someone who was unhappy to leave or hire them as a trusted visitor. Again, the ability to have art and socialize with likeminded weirdos is way better than rolling the dice.

And as this progresses and thrives (while working out the kinks - pun intended), I'd be happy to have people graduate and go off in the world, being a trusted network of people versus.... sending kids off to daycare or some molester-summer-camp. Not that I'd have a problem relinquishing control, but those places already have issues with power and organization.

The closest analog I can find to that was the powerlessness of most people during COVID. Me? I accidentally lived out of a van and thrived while living on Bureau of Land Management land in Colorado. I believe this is why I wasn't psychologically damaged by restrictions.