Thread 33541567

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33511834

Being a 32 year old virgin I officially give up

I lost my virginity 2 weeks ago but I still feel like the same incel I was before, why?

just give up you fucking losers
just embrace chudhood for good

Need some help with my dating profiles, what words do you put in them? What are your prompts like?

Dating apps are dog shit and if it's your only option then you're fucked.

Perhaps my situation is unusual but maybe one of you will have good advice
>Be me, 25, Indian born/raised in the US
>family is very religious (Sikh)
>Arranged marriage is expected
>Marrying within the faith is the only acceptable option, to do otherwise would lead to a huge fight
The thing is that I am increasingly skeptical about arranged marriage. I have seen a close family member go through one and their relationship is a trainwreck at best. I would like to date by myself. When I go on Hinge and the like the girls I see are not girls who my family would approve of. How do I navigate this situation

>>33542443
Go back to India and find a wife there.

>>33542400
They're only shit for sub 5s

>>33542443
How long were you raised in the US? I'm American-Indian, like I was born here. I've brought home Asian and white girls and my parents have accepted at this point that I may not marry an Indian girl.

Parents are not going to lose one of their sons. They might disapprove but in the end they will come around. Just please don't be one of those Indian guys who promises girls a relationship knowing he won't marry them because that's morally reprehensible.

Also don't let your parents dictate your life or you'll wake one day at 40 with kids you had with a woman who your parents made you marry and you'll be miserable, and there will be nothing you can do about it. Don't throw away your life, your parents don't know any better themselves so they just push you to do the only thing they know - arranged marriage.

>be 29yo
>depressed for most of my life, didn’t try dating seriously until few years ago
>finally stable and happy enough to put myself out there
>download apps, start swiping
>surprisingly get matches, go on some dates
>dates go well, convo flows, girls say they enjoy it
>text eachother every day
>a few days/weeks later
>radio silence
>blocked on everything
>ghosted every single time (I mean like EVERY single time with every girl)
>self esteem is down the gutter
>can’t tell if I’m ugly, weird or just cursed
>my family/friends say I'm handsome, I should be able to get gf without problems
>don't believe them anymore
>think back on my life
>people always kept distance from me, even as a kid
>friends never fully included me, always some invisible wall
>been kind and respectful, not a creep, can be funny and hold a conversation
>still end up avoided like I have the plague
>every failure just makes the loneliness hit harder
>tfw I feel like I’ll die alone
what the fuck am I supposed to do? is there a secret solution to not be tossed aside?

>>33542594
Sounds like you lack charisma and come off as insecure/unsure of yourself. People pick up on this through your body language. It's kind of obvious that women don't like this, but men don't like it either. Other guys want to have a group of men that make them look good. A weak insecure guy makes them look bad by association.

Most people are lost in life and don't know what to do and they want a funny, secure, confident guy who can lead them or at least show them how to have a good time. They gravitate towards these kinds of people. On the other hand, they avoid men who are insecure and unsure because it just drags them down. Men who don't know what they're doing are a burden.

Sorry if that's harsh. You need a trusted friend, either a woman who is self-aware or a guy friend who gets laid a lot, to tell you what's up with your personality. My bet is they'll say something about how you're "too nice".

This is a bit of a weird one because it's app specific
>On >Hinge
>See old friend from years ago
>Message her
>She messages back
>Talk for a bit
>Ask her if she wants to go for a drink
>Have to charge phone
>Check back when phone is charged
>She says sure
>Try to reply
>Doesn't work
>Try several times
>Doesn't work
>Reply to someone else to see if that works
>It does
>Try to reply to one I want to reply to
>Doesn't work and the conversation disappears
What's the chance of this being a glitch bros? I have heard people say they've had this kind of glitch before. The obvious answer is that she unmatched, but she's not really the kind of person to do that and seemed really pleased that we had reconnected. If she didn't want to take me up on my offer she would just say no.
My plan now is to give my number to a mutual friend to give her. If she wants to text me or whatever she can. If she doesn't then I'll know it was an unmatch. Is this the right approach?

>>33542634
Thanks, I think you're right with the insecurity thing. Whenever I match with or date someone I fear them losing interest (partially also because of my dating experience) but also I don't want to be overly clingy/annoying so I'm always stressed about messaging them or not.

>You need a trusted friend, either a woman who is self-aware or a guy friend who gets laid a lot, to tell you what's up with your personality. My bet is they'll say something about how you're "too nice".

What do I do if I don't have anyone like that? I do have "close" friends, but I don't even tell them I'm trying to date because I feel ashamed of it at 29 (and they're all married/in relationships). They also don't have friends to set me up with (they weren't very successful with women before either).
It genuinely feels like the universe telling me to give up, but I'm tired of being alone all the time.

>>33542725
Fellow 29 year old here. I'm also super tired of being alone, but at least you got dates. I had 6 dating apps for 10 months and haven't had a single date. And my pics are good and I live in a small town

Be happy that you got something and may you find the one brother

>>33542954
I've heard that being in a small town makes it a lot more difficult. Don't give up.

>>33541610
I'd eat her asshole mmmmmmm

but on a serious note whenever I approach a woman I let her just talk and she ends up trauma dumping, I ask questions because I feel it's safer than infodumping like a retard autistic that I am. Idk how to even flirt if she's not showing high interest help.

>>33541693
>I lost my virginity 2 weeks ago but I still feel like the same incel I was before, why?


idk when I was younger I didn't give af, who cares? fuck her again or find another piece of ass

>>33542657
Bug test the app first before looking like an idiot. Replicate the same scenario with another account. Some girls likes to appear angelic but they mean otherwise.

Sure she's your old friend but she's not the same as before after years. You'll look stupid and appear like a simp using a friend of a friend to reach out to someone.

>>33542594

Think of it as the quality of time lost when you go on these dates, if you talk to normies they'll tell you they knew when they met the right one, guess that's how it works?

>>33542657
>What's the chance of this being a glitch bros? I have heard people say they've had this kind of glitch before. The obvious answer is that she unmatched, but she's not really the kind of person to do that and seemed really pleased that we had reconnected. If she didn't want to take me up on my offer she would just say no.

She prob blocked you.

My time, sons

>>33541693
You have been a virgin for years. Now you have experience, for two weeks. Do you see the scale of the timeline? Keep going, your nervous system will adapt to the new you through repetition

>>33542443
This will be hard to conceptualize at first, but pay attention. You parents are being hypocritical here. They left india because its a shithole. They chose to have a better life on the other side of the planet. Is it about climate? No, its about culture. Culture creates economy, safety and quality of life. So your parents have zero moral rights to chain you to the culture they escaped themselves, literally. When they roll their eyes, when they shame you and pout — stand your ground. Remind them, this is life they escaped to, and either they will be happy for you, or they should move back home and be ultra traditional there

>>33542594
You are blind to sexual polarity so far. And feels like your social skills are a survival mask, not a genuine connection out of pla e of inner happiness and abundance. Work on your character and your social skills. I know it will sound as a cloud of buzzword for you, bit it is the right direction

>>33542657
Always assume the simplest outcome with women. She unmatched. She is not into you. Leaving her a number would be an amazing move if you would have the rake energy. Sexual, respectful yet unyielding. The energy when you come to goddess and tell her eyes to eyes 'I find you irresistible'. That is not your energy, you are desperate. So leaving your number should be paired with the attitude of 'you unmatched, your loss, but here is another opportunity to play of you dare'

You know what, this is your homework. Make a new choice, step above yourself. She unmatched old boring you, uplift your energy. Leave your number through a friend on a paper, handwritten. With ballsy and teasing text. You are not losing anything

>>33541567 (OP)
A black woman I’m seeing wants me to get rid of my clothes and put generic ones. Should I ? Yes I can do when we meet but she’s ready to not continue with me after two dates where we kissed just for this and only for this. So it’s strange to want me to change so quickly and so much and be ready to stop it so easily and only for this. I accepted to not wear it on the second date because she talked about it just on the first.

Girl who agreed to a date with me just said "lmao yah" its sooo over isn't it?

>>33543407
Oh son, you didnt have a dad. I will be your dad

First of all, time to hop on finasteride, save your hairline and density

>black woman
They are usually more masculine than women of other races. You are not ready for that polarity yet

>I’m seeing
No, two dates and a kiss is not seeing. Its a talking stage

>wants me to get rid of my clothes and put generic ones

I will give you brutal love here. You do look like goa cultist with cheap drugs on you. The look you are going for, the spiritual magician, is not bad. Your execution is imbalanced and feals cheezy. It is your journey, it is your identity, but your sense of style should keep up

But, here is a trick. When a woman says that, critique is double layered with sexual polarity. A woman tells you how to live your life. A woman. A follower, a submissive little flower. Tells the king he should change his identity. If you wouldnt give her your pussy vibes, she would never dare to even imply your whole identity needs to be hidden. Are you following my words here?


>she’s ready to not continue with me after two dates

How does it work in your mind? A woman tells you directly she is not interested much. She maybe will, if you change yourself. Is this a solid foundation for sexuality or a relationship? You do realize you are playing female role here, entering a manly world of proving yourself and following rules, right?

>So it’s strange to want me to change so quickly
Okay, I will be direct and harsh. She feels you are a pussy. Female biology sees weakness and explores it. You reward that with even more weakness. Female biology is ecstatic, because now it knows for sure it avoided pregnancy by a weakest male, thus avoiding death of her and her children. Its survival thing. And it shows you where you are incompetent yet: sexual polarity and your biological role in courtship

>>33543380
Can you explain what sexual polarity means? And how would one begin to work on his character? Sorry if this comes across weird, but I'm evidently very dumb and new when it comes to these things.

>>33541610
Don't.
But start self observing. Old virgins almost every time have some disorders. ADHD, ASD, GAD... the list is long, but most ot them can be cured or treated more or less.
I did not have luck with women I tried to figure out why and I eneded with 4 diagnosis... You still young enough to get your life back in track.

>>33543380
>No, its about culture
It's actually about genes, that then create "da culta".

>>33541693
You just did a thing once. It worked. You try next time with the same mindset. It will work again. Next time you do consciusly, even more thoughtful, it will be the same maybe better. Fifth time maybe you get complimented at least the proress. It gives you confidence, next time you will undress her with a feeling "I am good, she complimented me last time". And she will feel that. And you will feel that what she feels.
This is how it works. Time, experience, feedback.

>>33544734
Yesn't. It is about genes as a foundation, correct. As well as certain geography, resources, climate, personality of particular historical figures and such. On a scale of society. Here I touch a certain family, few generations, and genes are way less impactful at this scale. I can take japanese toddlers and raise them as germans. It will be so deep they would be complete aliens to japanese society for life

>>33544489
You are not dumb, you dont know yet. And how would you know in a society of weak fathers and sexual roles reversed

This is a topic for a book of 600 pages, so I will give you a general outline

>what sexual polarity means?
Simple. You are born with penis and testosterone. You have a role in sexual dynamics. Masculine role. Everything that a woman is, you are the opposite. Feminine energy is always insecure and uncertain? You are decisive and certain. Women are emotionally unstable, chaotic, and fiery? You are emotionally regulated, centered and relaxed. Women talk too much, you talk with purpose. Women are weak, you are strong. Women are sinful, you are virtuous. Women are petty, egoistical, sensitive. You have standards and control your ego. Women are incompetent, you are skillful. Women are followers, you are he leader. Do you see the polarity? You are the king, the dad, the general. Act like it

>And how would one begin to work on his character?
If you would be in Bali with cash on your hands, that would be physical journey. Something tells me conditions are different, so it is your own path to take

Start inwards. You are not a mystery, not a black box. Everything that you are either come from biological rules, or from lived experiences. Start with understanding how your inner mechanisms work, why, what do you want to get out of the game of life and how to actually play it

If you want solid direction - find patterns in your dating experiences and link them into your childhood

>Here's my number I give slow replies though lol
We know what that means don't we ;_;

Never was able to even secure a date at 25, dating apps - 0 matches, no place to approach or meet anyone irl
I am considering giving up and offing myself at this point, the loneliness and resulting depression is becoming too much, should I just shorten my suffering?

>>33543484
Thank you for your reply.
I have thin hair, like my dad and it’s normal and he is not bald.
I like black women because they seem less weak and I match with them more. I hate the white feminist trash.
How is my execution bad ? In fact a lot of people like my look but it’s too religious for women and not normal, mundane, safe or non-threatening enough.
I fail to understand you. Women aren’t submissive. Even when they present themselves as such it’s to ask more work, more providing and more protecting from the man. He is basically her slave even for conservatives. Women are so picky and just so much not interested by men but do interested by what they can provide it’s useless. So you’re saying one should act dominant and uncompromising as a man and it will play the polarity ? Eh she will just leave.
I asked her if wasn’t interested finally because she didn’t answer and was very slow and she said yes because we are incompatible and because of this look only apparently. Women have so much leverage in relationships what you say is cope. Women can leave and find another guy the next day and ask for a comforting non-threatening man. So I fail to understand you point and how your advice could be applied. Anyway now all women are arrogant and she is, also because she’s young so it’s hopeless.

>>33543431
No it's not. A yes is a yes no matter what. But don't expect anything because she clearly take it for fun

Having a girlfriend makes me physically ill, especially at the beginning. I do better now, I am much calmer than before and care less, but I recently had a girlfriend that reset all of that for me. I became a little teenage with his first gf all over again and I blew it. I tried to keep myself in my calm corner and missed opportunities to put her in her place, and even gave in to her demands. All because she made me feel like I had a knot in my stomach. We would spend long periods of time apart due to our circumstances of meeting, it was semi-LDR, and most of the time I would have a lot of anxiety no amount of working out, working on creative projects, business meetings, long work hours could help me avoid. I even hung out with friends, girls, guys, whatever. I STILL waited and longed for her texts. It sucks because it wasn't like this in my previous relationship. That last girl gave me no reason to guess/be anxious but this more recent girl did.

In the end, if your gut reacts in this way that affects how you act/react, is it even worth it to stay with a girl? At the first sign of anxiety, should I just cut her off to avoid embarassment? I became clingy, needy, something I've never done since a relationship I had over a decade ago.

To my defense, I lost my mom and job and was homeless for a time.

>>33544961
No, thats the opposite. She is sharing her intimate world, how she operates. She is sharing in advance, because it backfired before in her life. You should reward her trust and see it as opportunity to show your best masculine side: being patient

When her emotions grow, she will forget ever warning you and will be the one who craves communication

>>33545131
No, you should not. What you feel is real, it is heavy. It must feel so much on your shoulders that suicide suddenly feels like a viable option, not a desperation int he moment. But its just a story you lived so far. Thats it. Its not your fate, its not your prison. Your depression and feeling of loneliness are deeper that simple romantic level. Feels like it is also family, friends circle, your mission in life, physical health and such. I am neither your therapist, nor your guide, but trust me on this. What you live in is just a chapter, and you have everything in you to step into the next one. You just have to uncover your full resources my son. No killing yourself allowed, go the opposite direction, birth yourself anew

>>33545192
>No, thats the opposite
Is it? I wish I had that optimism ngl. There's actually two who said it and they're the only two I'm really interested in. I have been patient this time because I had real problems with being like that in the past.
>First one didn't reply so I waited a day and text her again yesterday
>Still have no reply so I'm more or less wiping that one off
The second one I think is probably more truthful. I spoke to her in the app and asked if she wanted to hang out. She agreed although did do the old "when I'm free", but at the same time she does work a lot and has funny hours so I can understand that. I said I would give her my number to talk easier, but she gave me hers instead. I said I would text her so she had mine. Did that right after so I didn't forget. Then about an hour later she replied on the app and said she would respond to my text when I sent it. I told her I had sent it about an hour ago. Then she immediately replied to the text apologizing and saying she's really bad at texting. So I do actually believe her. But again she hasn't been in touch since and that was a couple of days ago.
This is where my big problem is because I'm not sure how I'm supposed to text again when she already told me she'll hang out when she's free, but it is the weekend though so that opens up ample opportunities to send some kind of text...right?

25 living with my parents in a small apartment and I have a low paying job.
I feel like it’s impossible to get a gf considering that I have basically nothing to offer her.

I can’t take any girl home to fuck in my small bunk bed.
This situation prevents me from even approaching any girls.

Housing market is insane here and I refuse to become a debt slave or pay rent down the drain.

>>33545132
I see your gratitude, I like it

I will be the mirror

>I like black women because they seem less weak and I match with them more

Thats a corresponding wound speaking. You are in your feminine, so you are attracted to the polarity

>I hate the white feminist trash
I will being your attention, that this is perceived duality, uniquely yours. Either masculine black women, or white feminists. Both are women in their masculine energies. Which is unnatural to them

>Women aren’t submissive

Not for you. Your own energy is submissive. Feminine energy switches to wearing pants

>He is basically her slave even for conservatives
You have dysfunctional environment to learn from. Not your fault, bur your responsibility to uncover the man inside yourself

>Women are so picky and just so much not interested by men but do interested by what they can provide

And yet they will have sky-high desire for a broke guy. Tom Brady the top 1 percent provide got left for a jiujutsu trainer. Women are following their feelings, not your wallet. Pay attention to this nuance

>One should act dominant and uncompromising
Can you imagine a warrior, a hunter, a king being submissive to a woman? An entity weaker in body, in mind and in spirit? Do you see how backwards your programming is?

>she will just leave
Pay attention. Women will always choose the strongest, bestest perceived option around to bond emptionally. Where would she leave to froma masculine leader? To a pussy that acts like another woman, making her dry as a desert?

>asked her if wasn’t interested finally
Thats why she doesnt like you. You chase approval. You ask her to make decisions on what is going on between you. You treat her like she is your mother, while your role is to be the dad

>Women have so much leverage in relationships
What leverage do they have? Ability to leave? You have the same power. Ability to choose someone else? You have the same ability. Options? You can get them

You see my point

>>33545255
Yes and no.
Affluence and hotness are copes for being unfunny.
If you can make a woman laugh consistently she' might just straight up bankroll your existence.

>>33545192
But I dont have the slightest idea on how to unfuck my situation. I don't know what to do
>uncover your full resources
>birth yourself anew
Absolutely no idea what this means either

>>33542126
My simple pleasures
Together we could
I bet you cant
Green flags l look for

The important thing is to be specific. Show who you are or what kind of girl you're looking for so they read it and be like hey that's me.

>>33543288
I'd eat her asshole too god fucking damn. the power women have with their eyes and face.. sheeesh!!

>>33545577

I'm not the anon you're going back and forth with but I had the same exact experience, 10 months with 6 different dating apps, good photos, ever changing, and not a single date.

So I deleted them all and took matters into my own hands, I thought about which hobbies are expressive and have women in them?
and now I am doing dancing bachata and It's wonderful, and I join a student choir and we're starting next week.
I am also planning on doing acting.
I recommend doing these activities before you off yourself, if you say to yourself - I have nothing to lose, I've reached the point where I think about killing myself. Then just go to these events as a "hail mary", think of it like, I will do this before I kill myself because even if I get embarrassed, I'll still be dead so what does it matter?
and trust me it will raise your confidence to be around and interact with a lot of hot women, even if you don't end up with a gf from it. but you will. if you're consistent with attendance.

>>33543288
Same lol one started crying wtf. Then we made out and hooked up even though I didn't actually want to do it with her. I ghosted her for like a week then apologised, she said it's ok but she wasn't ready for anything more. Thank god.

Coworker specifically asked me if I am going to company drinks stating she doesn’t know anyone else who will be there (its a limited group of people that are invited). I said we might as well grab drinks together since we both won’t know anyone, but to this she responded that we should just go to the company drinks and have fun there. I dont feel particularly good about this response, seeing as she pretty much shut down my one on one question. But on the other hand she initiated and still wants to go together. Even later saying we should plan fun things. Main concern: why shut down the actual one on one if she still seems to be interested?

>>33545639
>dancing
>singing
>acting
All the things i absolutely despise, sorry but there's honestly no way I can force myself to do that

Bro hates getting actual advice

>>33545822
You fucking sperg holy mother of god.
Because it was supposed to be a one-on-one and she didn't want to introduce added complexity into the equation.
There's more to it but let's take it slow — You've been asked out.

>>33545893
That makes sense actually, makes me feel better, thanks.
> There's more to it but let's take it slow
What do you mean by this

>>33543380
You seem like someone who knows what you're talking about. Could you give me some advice?

It happens that one day on the university bus I saw a beautiful woman and I was smitten. Later I started seeing her around uni but only on a few specific days and in specific places. I tried to make eye contact with her but nothing happened until one time she returned eye contact and smiled at me, and we saw each other for like 5 seconds (didn't talk to her at that moment because I was walking towards my class and she was with all of her friends).

I decided to talk to her but she was always with her sister and her friends (3-7 women) and a good opportunity never arose.

So I decided to be bolder and waited for her in a plaza (which I never frequented) at the uni, where she always sat with her sister. The thing is that when she saw me, she lowered her head and changed direction. Her sister was with her and looked at me with interest. After that, it was clear I was chasing her, so I decided as a last resort to stop her and talk to her.

A week later I saw her getting off the bus with her sister. I politely intercepted them and basically told her that I thought she was pretty and that I wanted to know her and then asked her for her phone number. I admit that I dropped my spaghetti and it was a little awkward because for several seconds the words wouldn't come out of my mouth. It's the first time I've done something like that and they were clearly heading home so we couldn't have a conversation properly. Anyway, she told me kindly that she had a boyfriend so I said goodbye.

This happened within a 6 month period and whenever she sees me, she lowers her head. I've also caught her looking at me, and when I turn around, she quickly turns her head away. She's probably told her friends too, because they look at me with curiosity and even smile. I also found out she doesn't have a boyfriend.

Shoud I keep chasing and try to have a proper conversation with her? Help me pls

>>33546058
> Shoud I keep chasing
You are insane for even considering this

>>33545822
Feels safer to be with a group if the date goes bad. She’s testing the water and wants a safety net. Your offer was not bad

>>33545577
This will require long post, I will give it to you a little later

>>33546058
You are fearful. She can sense that fear drives your choices. By female timescale, when she is not chasing you, half a year is forever. Her biology, her nervous system were trained by you to have this image of you: he wants me, but he is too scared to act. He is dangerous in anti-seductive way, and boring at the same time

When woman forms her opinion on you, based on your energy, actions and words, old you is not going to stir her emotions. You need to uplift yourself, so the new you will be magnetizing and irresistible

Lets see it from her perspective. She is being stalked by a man for months. Women are super sensitive to such things. Finally you ambush her without choosing signals, and you are more scared in your approach than she is. So she politely cuts off all your sexual advances forever. And you keep stalking her energetically by trying to have eye contact. Women dont like that

What to do? 1. Make a choice. Either take the loss, learn from it, start getting dating experience elsewhere. 2. Or put a hand down your underwear, find your penis and realise that god and evolution built you for risks

3. Forget about what she said about boyfriend, never mention it again. Find her next time and come to her directly, but slowly. Say hey. No excuses, no past. Tell her the vibe is a little bit weird, but you want what you want, and you find her irresistible. Yet, you are a gentleman, so its an invitation, if she would have a change of heart. Joke, laugh, have fun then fuck off. And from that point just smile when you see her, say hey, go on with your business

New vibe can possibly spark intrigue and desire, resetting your half a year weirdness. At worst you will just make her feel better by letting her know why you keep bumping into her after she told you no. It will signal that you are not a desperate loser, but just a gentleman who wants what he wants

Risk it, fail, learn

Just installed wingman
i need to check this shit

How do I take pictures of nobody wants to go out with me?

>>33546291

its a meme that you have to take good pictures for tinder. any picture is ok, selfies, pics alone, etc, as long as you follow rules 1 and 2

>>33546303
I don’t want to look like I’m boring and don’t do anything but also look like a loser if all my pictures are selfies hell I should even make basedjack face while I’m at it.

>>33546318
none of that matters as much as you think to women, trust me

>>33546335
well I’ve tried dating sites for years and never had a date, been off them for a year, want to try again but my pictures are all old. Also cold approaching doesn’t work.

>>33546345

you must not be following rules 1 & 2

i just got 8/10 in the rizz quiz
im a virgin at 32 years old

>>33546353
what are you talking about

>>33546428

rule 1. have an attractive face and be tall
rule 2. be confident!

>>33546416
i feel for you brocel

this is a condition we're born with, dont let people shame you for it

>>33546449
I’m 6’8
I am confident
I never see white women date men taller than 5’8

>>33546467
do you think you have an attractive face?

>be me
>be gym dork
>pudgy but can stiff legged deadlift 3x8 315
>zombie no hands front squat 225
>225 close grip bench
>if that gives any indication of strength level
>small gym some times catch women looking at me
>often enough it starts to make me wonder
>/fit/ says gym is for working out no talk to women
How true is that? How creepy is it to wave one over and compliment her on her dedication to fitness or something?

>>33546229

>You are fearful
I think that's an accurate diagnosis, I've never had to chase women like this, so this is all new to me

>Half a year is forever
During all that time, I think I saw her at most 12 times walking down a hallway, as I said, to see her I had to be lucky and put in a little effort, since we are not in the same faculty

>She is being stalked by a man for months
I mean, I could have easily added her on Instagram and slide into her DMs, but I preferred to talk to her in person (while she was with her sister, not alone) because it seemed more substantial

>And you keep stalking her energetically by trying to have eye contact.
Well, after I talked to her, vacations started and I didn't see her for a couple of months so I stopped actively chasing her, then I saw her twice and even greeted her by her name but then my schedule changed and I've only seen her five times in the last 5 months.

>Women dont like that
Like I said, they seem very amused by the matter, even some of her friends see me and smile, which is why I'm asking here because it seems to me that not all is lost

>Find her next time and come to her directly, but slowly
I was thinking on doing that, but I'll have to talk to her when she's with her friends (she is always with 3-7 women) who obviously know everything. Any tips on how to avoid panicking and keep things fun?

Deep down I took the loss, but I'd like to see how far I can go and see what I can learn.

>>33546467
Because you're in the freakish range, dumbass.

Good tall is from 6' to 6'4

taller than that enters freak territory and your gains become losses

>>33546534
It works if you're attractive it doesn't if you're not. Just say hi and see how they respond. Women not wanting to be approached at the gym was true years ago now they actually do want to.

>>33546554
well how am I supposed to worship a white womans feet they won’t take my money so what do I do? I’m not black so I can’t force it.

after over 30 years I finally got a white woman and she confirmed everything I ever thought about them:
1. I would naturally love her body odor/pheromones due to being white myself
2. white women really do own the fucking world if they're beautiful. This bitch was so fucking arrogant and could easily just jump and ruin her beauty in an instant if she whimmed to.

they're a mess, but I can't go back. I know how to treat them. After dating asians, browns, blacks, I know what the REAL tests, the REAL games are. Other girls are easy mode in comparison.

>>33542443
One option is to find a women from India who is also Sikh and bring her to US. Find an educated one so atleast she will know to speak english. KNMPM

She has a bf on another continent and I think I'm catching feelings.
Do I just keep her as a friend and try to focus on pursuing other women? On one hand, I don't wanna go see the demon slayer movie by myself, but I also don't want to emotionally wreck myself or be at her beck and call.

>>33546168
Kinda makes sense, except I am not a stranger so needing a safety net seems a bit strange

>>33546257
How does Wingman work if you don't have any friends?

What do you guys put for your prompts on Hinge? Please give me some good examples that work

It's like this. If you are an intellectually feminine conformist to the liberal agenda, (which is nothing but comfortable lies), then you will make women comfortable, because you won't sacrifice truth for their feelings. But if you are right wing conservative (nothing but harsh truths), then you will put truth over the females feelings. She knows this, and this gives her the "ick".

>>33547033
>One thing you should know about me
I'm cute and 6'2

Trust me girls love it.

A had a girl call the cops on me! Did I win the game?

90% of women out there do not love their man, they don't know how to love anyway; they only tolerate him as long as he provides.
Learn to be stoic and get by without their fake and subpar love therefore about 90% of women should be invisible to you. Rise up above your biological programming.
Take care of your health and find distractions to help pass the time, that's all most people do anyway, the difference is they do it with somebody so time wasted together flows differently.

>>33545255
Even if housing was free, let alone affordable, and everyone got there own 3+bedroom white picket fence dream house by the ocean, lake, forest or wherever. Women would then not have a reason to go with you over the next guy since everyone now owns house, therefore that would not impress them then, and their already unrealistic too high of standards would then get even higher. They would then not even consider being seen with you or talk to you longer than it takes to say "lol sorry I'm not interested" unless you had a mega mansion. And if everyone lived in their own mega mansion, they would want the guy in the pent house suite. And if all guys owned and lived in pent house, you get the idea.
Guys are screwed either which way.

>>33545503
So what are you saying ? What is the solution ? That if I become dominant and very masculine I will get girls attracted to me ? Like that I should be a figther, provider, rich strong or dominant and the. They will aknowledge me ? Anyway what you would say is masculine will always be something attractive she can benefit from.
I don’t see women falling in love for men but I see maybe them attracted to money or power and so I fail to see what you recommend. That I get money, power, try man up in every possible way ?

Being masculine in this way is tiring as well as searching for a woman that brings nothing but a «provide and protect me» attitude. I am not weak but I’m not attracted to weak and princess spoiled women and I want a contorting one. The princess wants even more from me. Anyway I don’t get your point really I don’t get how women can be attracted to me or what would be a masculine attitude. For me asking her if she was interested was a call to stop the bullshit. She doesn’t respond, just tell me. I don’t want to force your desire. You desire me or not.

I got a new job 2 minths ago and there is this actual 9/10 girl at my office. We became friends very quickly. First we were just hanging out on breaks, but recently we started constantly talking to eachother. Like at work we're chatting on MS Teams (of all places) the entire day, and then we keep texting in the aftrrnoon. The conversations aren't completely innocent either, we like to tease eachother, but so far it has stayed under the line of direct flirting.

Here's the thing though, she has a boyfriend. That is why I haven't made any moves yet. On the one hand I can't help but get by hopes up, on the other I'm worried I'm on the express way to ultra friendzone. As far as I can tell, she is the type of girl to be very casual about this stuff, and she is friendly with a lot of guys at the office.

So is this normal? Do I just let it play out? What do I do.

>matched with a woman
>9 years my senior
>visiting my town for a day or two
>she's leaving tomorrow night so we scheduled a date to 1pm
>her profile says something casual
I dunno, if this was nighttime it would make sense, but hookup before dinner?

>>33547376
they seem to do anything for blacks

>>33548167
Older women do not give a singular fuck.

>>33542725
>Whenever I match with or date someone I fear them losing interest (partially also because of my dating experience) but also I don't want to be overly clingy/annoying so I'm always stressed about messaging them or not.
Yeah that's very normal to feel. For what it's worth, women will view your texts (both content and frequency) contextually in relation to how they perceive you. As in, a confident and an insecure man could text the same things and get a very different response. Once you get to a place where you're confident and it shows, you don't have to worry about this much.

>I do have "close" friends, but I don't even tell them I'm trying to date because I feel ashamed of it at 29 (and they're all married/in relationships).
Dude what? I mean trying to date is better than not dating at all. All you need is their perspective into why you may not be successful. I'm quite certain it's because you aren't confident enough, but you really need them to tell you.

As for gaining confidence, the only way is by practicing. Social skills can be learned and sharpened. The more time I spend with my friends and just outside in general, the more natural I get at talking to people.

I think you would really benefit from some hobbies where you can also meet people

>>33548029
I'm in two of these situations right now. In the first situation, the girl has a long-distance bf. They were dating in college for at least a year before jobs took them to different states. My take is she is unsure of where the relationship is going so she's lining up her options. In this case there's actually some value in flirting and maintaining connections because they might actually break up.

The girl in the second situation also has a bf, but I think she's not that excited about him anymore. They've been dating for like 2.5 years though so it's not like she's going to just throw it away. If she suddenly becomes single then I'd have a chance, but even though she's bored in the relationship, it's also stable enough that I don't think it'll happen. So in this case it's a waste of time to pursue her romantically. But we're also genuinely friends and I'm not romantically interested (I just want to hit but that would be a bonus) so I don't really care.

>>33547604
I revealed to you how the world work. You disagree. Your choose to keep being stuck in your inherited self-limiting beliefs. Which means, you havent suffered enough yet to be eager and step over yourself

Instead of repeating myself, I will highlight two paths in front of you. 1. Accept millions of years of anthropology as rules you can play by and win. Open yourself up to reality around you, change yourself, be happy. 2. Keep being stubborn, keep doing what you are doing, get results you are usually getting. Keep being treated as undesirable, live unhappily and die alone bitter and clueless

Which path to choose is up to you

>>33546546
How her social circle feels about you, is not what her sexual desire towards you is. Thats a nice guy logic, to please the group so she is pleased. But, since they like you its a benefit. Go for it. And to remove fear, you have to face it. Remember your first bicycle or car ride? How bizarre it was? And how you do it now without a thought in your mind? You faced you fear and mastered it through consistent repetition. Approach people, talk to women, hit on them, fear will submit

>>33545577
Son, you are deceiving yourself, not me. Its your resistances speaking, that come from fear. You know precicely what you need more of

Breathe, inhale deeply, exhale slower than inhale. Find the natural rhythm. Close your eyes. Gather all your attention in your body. Ask yourself: "What needs to rise inside of me, so I can step in the life I want faster?" What holds you back from being happy? You talked to people, you saw women around, you were raised in a certain family. What did you do unideal, so you feel lonely, depressed and lost? Would more confidence in your chest move you where you want to be? More certainty and more focus behind your eyes? More stability in your spine?

What limits you from getting the life you want? Forget about other people, resources, circumstances or excuses. We live in a world of abundance and safety

>>33548167
she's old she's gotta be in bed by 5 pm

>>33548378
I'm being a choosy beggar here, but monkey branching is pre-cheating in my book. I hope I don't have to resort to being in a relationship with one of those.

>>33546449
I prefer these two:
1. be attractive
2. don't be unattractive
>>33546428
You're likely failing rule 2.

>>33548378
Yeah I kind of feel like Im in that second situation. Might be better to keep a little more distance because I don't want her messing with my head.

>>33546554
Dude I'm also 6'8. I get a lot of attention from women but in the wrong kind of way. If I go out I'll get stopped by 15 different women but most of them just want to talk to the freak and get a picture, sometimes they are down to bang if I'm lucky since it's their kink or something but I can't get any girl to stay.
Idk how to break this curse t b h

>>33543288
>whenever I approach a woman I let her just talk and she ends up trauma dumping
same mate
women are broken

Is there like a guide or a book on how to talk to women? I'm a socially retarded 24 year old virgin and I have no clue where to start

>>33550540
Start with talking to girls

>>33546467
>never see white women date men taller than 5’8
Is this some new manlet cope troll or genuine retardation?

>>33546534
How many guys on /fit/ get laid regularly?

>>33550540
Dont do what I did and say "do you have a boyfriend???" right away

>>33550540
I started with regular chatrooms, but real life is somewhat different.
Also picrel. It has continously reprinted from 1937 till today for a reason. Over 30 Mil copies.

>Matched with someone on an app
>Took about 5 days for her to reply, but I get the feeling she doesn't use it much
>Went on a fetlife kind of site last night looking around
>She's on there

When she does finally speak again should I use this to my advantage? That's smart thing to do isn't it? I don't mean say to her I saw her on there, I mean touch on things I know she obviously likes. I do like them too btw so I'm not lying and I didn't exactly go seeking her out like a serial killer I just stumbled across her.

>>33550768
You are wasting your precious time on games and strategies. Imagine this being job opportunity. You have to osint the company, that tailor your approach for maaaaaybe have the first interview?

You do realize now how desperate that sounds? And what comes next, will you do that much for every date? You should increase your value and pur your energy into women who actually choose you and reciprocate your effort, not run after ghosts

Where do I find big boobed women to date?

>>33550241
>monkey branching is pre-cheating in my book
I get the sentiment but I think it's more complicated than that. Women generally want to settle down and have kids sooner rather than later, so I understand why she'd start being worried about her long distance relationship. Even a year wasted is a lot of time gone for a woman.

So if she did break it off with her bf and ended up with me, I wouldn't be worried about her cheating since I think her situation (long distance with no clear reunion in sight) is an understandable situation.

It's the second girl that I would never date. She's already emotionally cheating on him with me - for example she sent me a screenshot of her most texted on IG and I was ahead of him lol - so I'd never trust her if we got together

Ok fuck it I'm done with dating apps. A year and a half after a painful breakup, probably 50 dates and not a single good thing came out of it. My theory so far is that only dumb bitches go on dating apps. I swapped thousands of time and my conclusion is that dating apps women look nothing like normal women. They are fake from the way they look to the depth of their souls.
Now i'll only talk to women in real life. I even worked up the courage to talk to some good looking redhead recently and it felt so nice. She had a boyfriend but wasn't rude or anything.
Fuck it i'll make it but not using this bullshit system.

>>33552222
My experience is different in the last 6 months. I hooked up once with 2 of them. 1 I'm still sleeping with regularly. And 3 just went out 1 time and went nowhere.

I'm a pretty heavy guy(5'11, 186 lbs) and I've dated once for about a month and it ended with the girl saying she was never actually attracted to me(brutal). I think I have a decent looking face and genetics so I've been trying to lose weight as quickly as possible, but in the meantime is it impossible for me to find someone? Every girl I meet I have great conversations with but because my idea of flirting is just being friendly like I would anyone else(and because of my physique) I am friendzoned by every girl I meet. Is there any mannerisms or things I should do other than losing weight that can prevent me from constantly being friendzoned or am I just screwed until I lose weight? Any advice is appreciated.

>>33541567 (OP)
bro its so over stop making this thread its so over for us chuds the year is 2025 and it gets worse every year so just stop making these threads

I swear none of you niggas here can actually rate women
Read so many posts where guys claim they're talking to or meeting some 7-9/10 women
9/10? You see a girl that attractive maybe once per year. And you're dating her? Doubt. Why are you exaggerating her looks? There's no one here you have to impress

How important is it when you're approaching a girl if all she does is look at her phone?
Like, 10% less likely or guaranteed failure to talk
I know women will bring up their phones just to avoid any eye contact with you
The women I am around regularly do this constantly, so I know they at least do it on purpose,
but if you are seeing someone for the first time how much of a detriment is it
I see it so often outside, the problem is it feels like they are all deliberatly ignoring me in particular, even if I know this is mostly paranoia
Only place I don't see it is in bars, but I hate being in them

>>33552273
Yea apps are great for hooking up, I think I doubled my body count in the last year but it became hollow very fucking fast. I'm refering to something serious and deep. I guess that's impossible on dating apps.

>>33552364
where do you live? I'm in a big city and there are 7/10's everywhere, I see 9's every other day.

If you're in bumfuck nowhere then obviously you won't see anything, but even Houstin or Austin Texas isn't great. Coastal cities though have tons of baddies

>>33552561
So how does it go with girls that put in looking for long term? I never like or really engage much with those girls since that's not what I'm looking for.

>>33552780
You got four type of women looking for long term on dating app :
1. Giga stacies : I have talked to a few of them then get ghosted when they see someone better on the app I guess
2. Mid : mid girls with a huge ego. I tried to start something with one of these, didn't go well
3. Very invested ugly women : desperate, will talk with you for hours and respond instantly, usually fat. No thanks.
4. Looking for long term, ok with short term : no time for someone who doesn't know what she wants

Esentially I want someone attractive, but I went the easy route so far. I invested all in dating apps but it's impossible to find someone that's on your level. What I'm saying is that you can only shoot down.

>be me
>28 years old
>never had a girlfriend
>had sex with hookers over the years
>told myself things were fine this way
>start new job
>a few months in
>be introduced to the most wonderful woman
>I think she’s so beautiful but beyond that she’s so friendly and warm but not in a fake way at all, so much that it’s almost overwhelming
>I can’t stop thinking about her
>she’s so popular and well liked in the company and I’m just this awkward standoffish autist that’s kinda there and doesn’t talk to many people
>she probably doesn’t even remember my name
>this woman has crashed my entire world and I lie in bed crying for hours, I don’t want to be alone and detached and hiding behind irony and shitposting and acting smug and cold and indifferent towards anyone
>for the first time in my life I feel so lonely and I’m aware of how lonely I am
>I’ve accepted that I can’t have this woman from my work but now I’m desperate for love like I’ve never been before
>I feel like something’s eating away at my chest and heart
>its 2AM and I can’t sleep
>Im supposed to go running tomorrow, I just want to run and get the endorphins so I can forget the pain
>but I don’t want to forget the pain I don’t want to numb myself with online shitposting and video games and mindless doomscrolling
>im so isolated and a bit unusual and I struggle so much in groups I don’t know how to meet people let alone a girlfriend
>I don’t know what to do

How do I even start finding a real relationship at my age?

Was at work doing my usual thing, look down and see female coworker I talk to whenever we work together frowning at me for no reason. Say "uhhh....what..?" she chuckles and says "I didn't say anything". This girl often times stares at me whenever I'm not looking too, like the other day when we were working together I was near the sink and staring at my reflection on the paper towel dispenser, just cleaning myself up, and I see from the corner of my eye her constantly turning and looking at me, so naturally I go over to talk to her. Sometimes she'll approach me with a big smile on her face and get close to me. The other day she texted me after work asking me if I put something away, I said no, blah blah blah, eventually I sent her a link to some songs because she writes her own music so we talk about music a lot, we talked for a bit, shared links here and there, a couple minutes pass, I send her a link and she hasn't replied since. Does her being a Jehovah's witness have anything to do with her behavior? I mean, it's obvious she fancies me to some degree, but why does she give me the hot/cold treatment?

>>33552923
Kind of what I expected. The ego issue is so funny to me.
4 seems worth pursuing?
>>33553209
Because you're being vague with your intentions. Girls cannot handle rejection so they will not risk making the first move. I do not know how the jehova variable affects this situation.

>>33553336
Jehovah's witnesses are often times told not to date anyone outside the religion

>>33553353
Okay maybe she just wants to be friends with you then. Since you work together and both like music.

>>33552923
you missed the most important group:
1,5: Above mid, attractive women who are somehow still single. (hint: if you cannot see the damage that's inside)

>>33553375
I came up with the theory that she might like me but if we do anything together they might excommunicate her, I've heard of it happen.

Today I was out running and a girl who was walking smiled at me

>>33553336
>Girls cannot handle rejection so they will not risk making the first move.
Why are we playing this rigged game again?

>>33550540
Here's the full guide: ask questions and listen

I consider "likes traveling" a turn-off because I do travel for work, and that shit is expensive and IMO good but overrated to the extreme. And no, my employer does not comp me if I bring my spouse with me.
I just see that as an expectation for me to fund a bunch of tourist shit that I don't personally enjoy. Do women actually expect that, or is it just advertising all the cool places they've been?

So the attendant at the local hardware store is super cute. Talked to her twice now while she was assisting me when I was shopping for some stuff and we had a nice rapport. Though that was likely because she was very friendly. Helps with work, I imagine.

I'm pondering whether to ask her out. What would be the polite way to approach here? I'm hesitant for a cold approach at her job because that would put her on the spot and she might think her job would be on the line depending on her answer. I could end be putting massive pressure on her without meaning to. Can't really find on her on social media so that idea is out, I think.

Thoughts? Also, both times I went there for shopping I noticed she was messing around with her phone before I approached her asking for a little hand. That might mean she was talking to her boyfriend, who knows.

>>33554547
With friendly people I always ask what they got up to on the weekend and if they have a partner that will come up casually

What are the political ramifications of me living in a foreign country in which I am not attracted to the indigenous population?

I've found It's a double edged sword:
1. Foreigner girls (white like me) will easily talk to me, it all flows so easy, they ask me questions, very friendly.
2. I see 1-2 a week I can even approach (and I am approaching them) and it's a near 100% certainty I'll get a hangout if I want one (sometimes I change my mind due to something they say/their travel/marriage status)

Last month I got 1 date a week from other foreign women, first one revealed she had a bf last minute, second one revealed she had a husband last minute but gave me a really nice hug and stared into my eyes (might just hang with her to feel good desu at the point senpai as gay as it sounds), and another date with a super mid Brit who told me "too early when I tried to start a kiss".
I just got out of a relationship with a traveller, it ended like I thought it would. I tried to treat it fast and loose but she acted all wifey to me and got me fucked up in love right before she ripped my heart out. I want blood.
Should I just come to Europe? The US sucks, most white girls don't give me the time of day. In Europe I was treated much nicer. Still, I feel like I'm at an advantage in Asia, big fish small pond and all that.

My main question is, Should women dictate where I live? I have big aspirations beyond women but I can't deny there's an itch that must be scratched.

One thing I want you to ask yourself, is really what the fuck was she doing to you when she blocked you? Can't people have the freedom of speech without turning into an esculated problem so much? It makes no sense. Maybe instead of going hard on yourself and women, you treat dating like it is fun, like it is meant to be. Relationships are supposed to be positive not negative. You go in demanding she be there for you, she never will, because that is slavery.

>>33552049
Good distinction, actually. And good reminder of what to watch out for as a man, in both scenarios.

>>33554290
Repeat the exact same routine tomorrow and there is a high chance that she will be at the exact spot. People's morning routine use to be the same exactly to minute. Then you smile at her now. Nothing more. Next time she probably will smile again or even stop to talk. But most importantly: she will waiting for the meeting.

I went out by myself yesterday to do some cold approaches and literally every young white girl I see was with a short black dude. Also the black dudes smelled like strong cologne and marijuana, and poop.

>>33541567 (OP)
>went on a date with corporate lady
>end up talking about my past experiences with the app
>gives me a handshake
>later messages me a rather short message she's not interested in continuing
I wasn't very interested anyway but next time I'll think twice before asking out a HR lady with experience in pretending to look like she's into the conversation

>>33555874
Eh, unfortunately yesterday was my long run day, and I probably won't be heading that far out for a while... but I take your point.

Anyone else have this feeling where you get with a girl but feel like it's not it 100% and maybe you'd rather wait and look for the girl that is "IT"?

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>>33556993
why are you looking for gold in a dumpster filled with shit?

I've been on and off apps a few times, and each time I get the same pattern.
>Get a few likes instantly from the girls that are not my type at all
>Swipe a bunch, get some matches.
>All but 1-2 do not reply
>The remaining ones don't go past the first date (due to one of us getting bored)
I realize that this is mostly my fault since I kind of half-ass the whole dating app thing (my photos are old and not particularly good, my hobbies are boring indoor stuff and cooking), but I'm honestly not sure if I should fully invest my time and money into that. I kind of want to settle down already, and using an app for that seems unnatural, but it's not like I have any other options.

My time, sons

>>33557729
Dating apps are not designed for you to find a woman. They are designed to sell subscription. Go meet women face to face. The quality of women is higher, the process is natural and exciting. I can write a book on how dating apps interact with nervous system, and this book will be very negative

>>33557031
Son, its a woman. You followed her lead into friendzone vibes. If she would be on a date with masculine man, she would be giggling without breaks, talk silly and beg for a kiss with her eyes. Especially educated, intelligent and high achieving women, who are surrounded by nerds at work, are starved for sexual polarity. I will bring your attention to how your subconscious relays that story. She GAVE you a HANDSHAKE. And what did you do? Did you tease her? Let her know you dont do that? Did you seduce her in any form? Or did you just accepted the handshake following her lead and assuming feminine role? Women like that hr are melting when you find your testosterone and act like the driven gentleman god created you to be

>>33555793
Zach, if you need help, ask questions. You just keep venting your unique life experience in the tunnel vision of your solipsism

>>33555720
My time

>had a bf last minute
>had a husband last minute

Those are just words. When woman desire a certain man and is closed off emotionally to others, romance will be off the table right away on the deepest level of her nervous system. So when they tell you indirectly 'hey, I kinda have a man with a certain label in other country' it's not a no. It's 'I am open to light things, what happens on travel stays on travel'. I am not raising the question of morality here, but translating their language. 'I kinda have someone, but my emotions are already out, so I dont even feel like its cheating hehe'

>hang with her to feel good desu at the point senpai as gay as it sounds
Nothing gay here. You are a living breathing human being, starved for praise, touch and feeling seen. As long as you are not openly needy about that

>super mid Brit who told me "too early when I tried to start a kiss"
Mid women do that, they do things way harder than top women. Is a self-esteem thing and female biology, don't waste your time on them, find gorgeous woman who follows you, instead of creating obstacles

>she acted all wifey to me and got me fucked up in love
She didn't act, she reacted. To your husband-tier traits. It was real, it was deep, you can get it again. Love is a skill, you got there. Half of this thread never got woman to the level of her being wifey, yet

> Should women dictate where I live?
Yesn't. What do you want? A stable, simple wife? She is not traveling Asia. Romance, excitement, emotions, passion, love as an art form? Those women are not staying home for long, they are exploring the world and themselves. You met them. After you taste them, simple women are boring. Feels like you are looking for one woman to date her long, in your lifestyle of traveling and being adventurous

She is in Asia, but she is not a tourist. She works locally or remotely somewhere nearby. Maybe organizing a retreat, or managing her small community, or running a company. Find her

>>33557789
Maybe I should say it without all of the adhd energy,

Let women reject you or block you, because they have the right to like anyone else.

>>33552321
No, it's not worth it. Just focus on losing weight.

>>33557975
True. And you have the same right to reject anyone politely, as well as to block anyone to protect yourself. Its a fair game

Also I agree with you that relationships should be fun and positive

>>33557980
I'm not projecting my insecurities in this surreal ironic way. I am telling the board, if a woman rwjects you or blocks you, it isn't the end of the world

>met her a few times and we've had some small talk
>we know each other's names
>follow her on IG
>slid into her DM saying her content looks cool, she replied with cute messages and lots of emojis

and yet she still hasn't followed me back, so I’m taking that as a sign to move on, yeah?
been a while since I last dated, and now suddenly this stuff feels way harder than it used to

>>33558161
Son, it is hard only because you are trying to date like a woman. Overthinking every detail and clinging to outcome

>met her a few times and we've had some small talk
>we know each other's names
>follow her on IG

So far friendly vibes. Nothing indicates that you have asked her out, on a date, man to woman

>slid into her DM saying her content looks cool, she replied with cute messages and lots of emojis
You want to penetrate her. To touch her, to kiss her, to have fun dates, emotional bond and intimacy that will blow your mind

So you find this woman and tell her, instead, that her videos are cool. Do you expect her, a woman, a submissive follower to reply with 'thank you for noticing, come over and fuck me'? You are telling her directly with your vibe that either you want to be friends, or you are inexperienced, or you are experienced but afraid

Neither makes women wet. While you've been submitting to fear, other men are letting her know directly that they find her gorgeous and that she should join them for a cocktail in the evening, if she dares

>she still hasn't followed me back
The only reasons why you would care about such a small detail are 1. You have nothing better to do with your life than worry that some woman you are trying to get friendzoned by is following you or not 2. You have no other women to worry about, women who actually chase you, as it should be

Do you see how backwards your belief system is?

>this stuff feels way harder than it used to
No, its very easy. You put all your time into making yourself irresistible. Then you present yourself to the world and select women who you like most and who make the most effort towards you. Its very easy

When its opposite, you are playing this game as a woman, and women dont desire other women

I stopped using dating apps because I cannot get excited, most the women on there just don't do it for me. It's not so much the rejection but the time wasted spending on meeting up with someone and finding out we have nothing in common or she just starts bringing up politics etc.

>>33558315
>Neither makes women wet. While you've been submitting to fear, other men are letting her know directly that they find her gorgeous and that she should join them for a cocktail in the evening, if she dares

It's not fear but the tendency to info dump like an autistic tard.

>>33558315
Appreciate the advice, bro.
It gives off sperg energy, but it's still solid advice.

>on coffee date with girl I know, arguably platonic in the worst case but still flirty
>she brings up how I seemed to have left a strong impression on a mutual acquaintance we have towards the end, saying how he wouldn't stop talking about me
>confirm with him later that he only brought up to her once that I seemed good looking and nice in an attempt to wingman
>also made jokes about what my exes must’ve been like given I used to do mma
She wouldn't bother bringing that up unprompted unless she was interested beyond being purely platonic, would she?
Also we originally know each other from highschool for added context it’s not like we met randomly

>>33557592
more context:
>doing volunteer work at summer camp for poor children.
>always teasing one of the female monitors, 20yo
>We watch Cars with the kids one night
>I'm holding one of the boys, he's resting against me, and she also leans in
>we look like a family lol
>another night, I'm seating during a meeting, and she sat on the ground near my legs
>at some point she leaned in against my legs.
>I brushed her neck with my fingers, she liked it, kind of like cats do.
>then,later, I grabbed her pinky playfully, and she furthered the motion, grabbing my hand.
>holdinghandsduringmeetingwith13otherpeoplearound.raw
>lasted around 5 seconds, until I broke it off because PDA's are cringe, but It felt great.

gonna ask her to go watch the sunset once she's back in town. just riding the wave...see where it goes

>>33558062
I think you responded to the wrong post.

>>33557656
It’s everywhere I go. I don’t have anyone I can talk to about this because everyone irl is n**ger lovers, or already has a pale white wife. What am I supposed to do? I’m tired of hearing n**gers on the radio, on commercials, seeing them on TV shows and movies, advertisements for literally every company. Tired of smelling them everywhere. Constantly told I’m shit for being a white male by white women. Not allowed to talk back or I’ll lose my job. Can’t say anything to my neighbors or I’ll be evicted. I’m tired of this.

do woman know what they missed out on by being born in a western country?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/woman-26-tortured-burnt-alive-over-dowry-by-in-laws-in-greater-noida/articleshow/123475459.cms

>>33558920
they love attacking white men and making them feel like trash, while praising the smelly ugly apes.

>>33557961
That's, btw I'm the hostel guy and the gf I mentioned was the french girl. I reached out to her again, she sent a voice message in reply to mine, seemed like she wanted to talk but asked me why I texted her and denied my ask for a call. I messaged her back saying idk why, I thought of her every day and we shouldn't be texting. She agreed and blocked me. A few days later I texted her a long love note and told her it's my last message and not to reply. She read it and hasn't replied.

I need help, but oh well. She was disrespectful towards me quite a few times throughout, she was pretty narcissistic looking back on it. I think I'm starting to recover finally. I said everything I wanted.

>>33541567 (OP)
Advice for getting an autistic, smart, coquettish girl to like you?

Men are retreating from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there in the void that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen, once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

>>33560222
i don't care about the mythic feminine or any of this crap i just want the autistic girl

do all men inevitably become attracted to children when they reach 30?

Men are retreating from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there in the void that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen, once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

>>33552926
bumping this because I’m desperate

>>33541567 (OP)
I went to a language group. I was invited by an older woman from my workspace (nothing between us).
I got chatting to a young woman I met there, she laughed a few times at my jokes, and she bumped into me with a smile as we climbed the stairwell. I found she was in town only for a few days, but she lived within 100 miles, so not insurmountable.
Anyway I got the sense that I should at least ask her out, but didn't. I've gotten to the space where I recognise that if I woman at least *likes* me, but isn't interested or available, she'll take being asked out as a compliment, and her rejection will be very polite. This happened a few times and I've thereby gotten around the rejection fear.
I was standing in the lobby at the end of the event with the work friend - and her equally aged friend, who was very smart and into languages, and had pinned me down. I missed the cute younger girl, who turned to smile and wave at me as she exited. I should've moved my feet over and asked her out, because even a "no thanks" is better than spending the next week mulling over "nothing".
Just writing this here so I don't make the same mistake next time.

how to get a pale white teen gf as a tall white dude ?

>>33541567 (OP)
PSA: how to get women

>while (no gf)
> go outside
> see fuckable woman
> ask woman out
>end while

it IS that simple, fuck black pillers

>>33562839
become a financier or a hollywood executive (bit harder now post-metoo, also that depends on your lineage being linked to a specific Levantine tribe)

Dating app experts, need your take:
>match with girl
>she keeps responding to me but doesn't ask anything and seems dry
Do you just abort in this situation?

>>33562884
Force it by asking her to meet irl, if she isn't immediately keen on that then unmatch and forget

>>33541567 (OP)
Apologies if this is off-topic, but does anyone know how to meet super introverted/nerdy women? I've tried dating apps and have gotten a decent amount of attention but it's basically all normie girls who I'm not interested in. I live in a shitty small town and the only places I can think of would be the library or the Barnes and Noble that's like 50 miles away.

>>33562879
I’m white not a Jew

>>33562920
It's a tricky one - there may be introverted women in your small town, but unless there's an excuse to bring them out (or you have a connection to their family already) they'll remain just that way. Yet there'd be less competition so you'd be in more demand.
There were a few around me in my youth, but I sucked at approaching them. Later I moved to a bigger city just to be around more younger women.
Here, I've found some success meeting them at language groups. Also the dnd campaign (IRL) I joined had an even split of genders. It's fun! But I had more reciprocity from women in the former than the latter, tho.
But that's all so far. I'd also like to hear suggestions from others, I also hate normaloids

>>33562887
This. That's how it works

I dunno how it is like for you bros, but for me it's very difficult to meet new women or date
I'm from a small town in kazakhstan btw

>>33557789
Thanks for giving me the final push. Deleted the apps today. I'm gonna use my time and money on hobbies instead and hopefully meet someone through them.
For now, cooking classes, gym and maybe archery.

Unasked, very generalized, and very personal bit of advice from a 31m married to a 23f (I've been with 4 women, inc. her):

Do not, under any circumstance, pretend to be someone you're not.

You're probably nerdy or whatever not Chad thundercock. That's okay.

Women do not want a fucking pussy for a man, but you absolutely should not compromise on being human, having emotions, etc. If a woman cannot accept your emotions, she's not worth your time.

My exes couldn't relate to me, emotionally. They hated me for it. My now wife was more in love with me for being human and having emotions.

Don't compromise. You'll be miserable.

>>33563669
>Don't compromise. You'll be miserable.
I feel like 97% of people need to hear this.

>>33563669
I wish I was as short as you, women don’t care about that shit. They see a tall white man and lose interest.

any tips on how to overcome approach anxiety?
I always want to do it but never approached anyone IRL, I'm shy and introverted and always preferred to meet people from dating apps and similar things

>>33563869
Start small. Say good mornings evenings compliment someones jacket hair dog or whatever without any expectations.

>>33563797
They see a lanky tall white man, they lose interest.

>>33563669
Thanks for nothing humblebrag chad.

>>33563669
>Don't compromise. You'll be miserable.
If I am not compromising I am even more misreable.

>>33541693
Because sex alone isn't going to change you as a person
Anyway, how was it?

>>33542567
I was getting a couple dates a week a month or two ago from apps, been told by a few women I'm moderately physically attractive, can confidently say dating apps still suck

>>33563669
>Do not, under any circumstance, pretend to be someone you're not.
How do I meet autistic shut in type girls? I’m afraid I may be setting myself up for failure chasing cute normie girls at work

Hi, can anyone help me choose my best 6 dating pictures, and what order to put them in?

https://imgur.com/a/eU3NvhH

>>33550540
Read "No More Mr Nice Guy" and "Dating Essentials for Men" Both by Dr. Robert Glover. Even gives a few tips like how to dress nice and date ideas.

"Models" by Mark Manson(I know, I know...) is clearly inspired by the previous and rehashes it abit with a few differences. Still recommend Robert Glover over him though.

Read "How to make Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. Basically the OG in guide to speaking to others.

Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Kind of a meme at this point, but I honestly found it to be a fun story at least. Gives you an idea of what "pick up" is, but you are mostly reading this to study some of the lines and routines to figure out why a woman might enjoy that sort of conversation. Hint; Women like fun, high energy, and unique interactions.

Finally, Read "Conversation Casanova" by David Perotta. Just a collection of good ideas/ good mind set that's helpful to at least have an idea of.

Finally, my own little tip; women love world building. Construct some hypothetical of you guys going on a vacation and having drinks or something, and she will have a lot of fun playing along.

Remember however not to read TOO much, because the clinical way a lot of this is talked about can talk away a lot of the romance, and hurt your motivation.

>>33565423
>women love world building. Construct some hypothetical of you guys going on a vacation and having drinks or something, and she will have a lot of fun playing along.
Explain what you mean. Like, roleplaying?

>>33565423
Don't read any of these. They won't help.
Read this instead

I often go running on the local trails here. I'm not crazy fast, but I'm faster then pretty much all of the other women I see running here, so I pass a lot of them. I also pass a lot of women walking (usually their dogs, yeah I know yjk). Some of them have really great butts... How effective would saying "nice butt" as I pass them be as a way to meet women? Or would that be terrible?

>>33565113
I would go
1, 4, 7, 10, 12
but try and get one with you in a group even if it’s not a great quality picture.

>>33566783
I agree with this. 12 to me is the best image.

>I hear this statement "how to get women"
>There is nothing to get about women, they are like children they eat your stuff spend your money but the difference is you get to have sex with them!
>*audience laughs*
>what's the deal with incels? How can one be involuntary celibate when you can go out with a hooker for one hour?

You want to get the girl of your dreams whose getting hogged up by the man who is 10 years older than her? Be the man who is 15 years older mentally and maturely. Be a 40 year old in an 18 year old body, and your 18 year old crush will feel at ease dating you much more than that other guy.

The best way to get a gf is to completely emasculate yourself all the time. I say this as someone who has had over 25 sexual partners. You're going to say I'm lying, because you're retarded, but it's actually true. I never got more pussy in my life than when I was crossdressing and wearing makeup all the time, and making music.

>>33567106
I'd rather be retarded than do that.

>>33567146
i can see that, "Zach".

>>33566373
You dont lmfao.
>>33565113
I would only use pic 12. It's a good one as your first pic, gives chill vibes pleasant facial expression good lightning. The other pics you have an awkward expression or it's all kind of the same just a portait shot of you.
Make a new one of 11, a mirrorshot with a nice camera looks good but show off your entire body in the mirror to show off your clothing style and do it in a more interesting background and a more dynamic/playful pose, just search for aesthetic selfie ideas online, the partial hide face behind camera looks good in these kind of pics. Assuming you're into photography and animals you could make a collage of like 4 cool professional looking animal pics you made and mention both interests in the prompt/bio, as 4th-6th pic.
Maybe a candid like pic not facing the camera directly like walking lying down petting or playing with your dog or the sitting at restaurant one.
I'm not very good with hair but maybe don't cut your hair so short as in the first pic, the top of your head is a lot narrower than your bottom you seem to store a lot of fat in the cheeks, compensate it with volume on the sides like in pic 5 maybe longer it looks better imo. Search henry cavill curls something that length maybe looks better?
Something with a group 3 4 or 7 you could have used if there were more people and you didn't look awkward and more zoomed out to show the background.
If your profile is made of these pics you will not get many matches but your looks are not bad.

>>33541567 (OP)
Starting to realize the majority of the women I interact with or flirt with are store or restaurant/cafe workers. I don't think I even see eligible women customers or people at bars. Legit always with a dude, 2 dudes and 1 girl, or group of girls that appear almost lesbian. My last success was a food truck girl. Is this cringe day game or should I continue with this method? The last 2 girls I met were working at the time. Seems to be the only thing that brings success.

>>33552364
These are inexperienced zoomers. They see a pretty face on twig body and fall in love with her then rate her a 10, when in reality she is a 5.5.

>b-b-but her pretty face
It's simply not enough.

Went up to this bitch today to talk, complimented her eyes, asked some questions unreturned. She told me she was approached already today. What should my response had been?
>Oh good for you, I bet you feel so special
>Im sure found out you were as boring as I think you are and ran away, I'm nice, so I'll entertain you a little longer... Oh look at the time, I have to go!
>Did you meet a guy that would tell you how he'd rape and murder you yet you stupid cunt?

Vote below

>>33562856
Why does she look like she has down syndrome?

>>33567977
>woman is disinterested or possibly shy and socially awkward
>should’ve insulted the bitch to boot how dare she not be super enthusiastic
this is why you autistic fucks struggle with women

Could femanon ever consider a 28 years old virgin man "cute"? I'm relatively tall and my hairline is still intact. I'm worried I will never experience love the way teenagers/early twenty y.o. do. I don't feel like an adult man at all I just want to go out to explore the world with a good company because I never did.

>>33562856
If someone only needs to go out to succeed he's a high quality male. I spent 7 years at the university, I have gone to parties and met dozens of girls and I'm still a virgin because I'm ugly and poor, duh. The only real "chance" I ever had would be classified as rape kek

Is following and liking hot girls and their posts on IG really that bad? Literally every stud and guy i know that fucks a lot does this.

>>33569436
it's not necessarily bad it's just a bit lame

>>33544721
>get Diagnosed

This thread only exists to hurt people

>>33541610
>>33544721
>>33569448
This unironically. Retards on 4chan will tell you that therapy is bad but what they mean is lame ass female psychologist helping other women manage "stress" at work and not actual specialist learned in dealing with disorders.
If you had for example those symptoms:
>you struggle keeping relationships
>you can be annoying to other people
>you blurt out stupid shit
>you are known to ask annoying questions/say stupid shit out of blue
>your mind wanders/you seem distant and absent minded
>you procrastinate a lot and can hardly focus especially on things someone tells you
Those are basically 100% symptoms of ADHD and there are meds for that that fix that shit instantly and i am not kidding. They work like magic and you suddenly become a social person that can focus, plan things ahead and progress in life.

>>33569467
>get drugged
>better than office talk therapy

>everyone is ADHD
So you even read what you write?

Men are retreating from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there in the void that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen, once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

>>33569436
sauce on her?

How can I get a black gf? I'm a nerdy white guy and I never seem to attract them, but I get plenty of white girls. Any tips on in person game is helpful, I pretty much only close via dating apps.

Any tips on approaching the woman at my gym who wears an eyepatch?

>>33570455
don't approach her from the patch side all sneaky

fuckk bros i dont even know if a want to date rn but i been getting huge attention from nowhere and i wont lie it finally feels nice but this girl that i was acting nonchalant with left me on read after chatting a few days. tf i do now?? i didnt even care about this chick but the more i think about it the cuter she gets and i feel like ill regret it soon. idk. maybe i should wait to tmr and try again. i think i wont care at first but think it bothers me to think why she stopped responding

>>33571309
pay attention any men reading this. this dude fell for the woman who wouldn't give him the time of day. now imagine how more pronounced this effect is with women, who are wired to seek out men of status. anyways sorry anon i have no help for you, get it together

If she doesn’t remember my name when we meet again does it make me look better/worse if I pretend I forget hers as well

Why is it that all women I'm successful with get with me in freak accident situations? And they have to accept me before Im even aware??
>Gf #1 had an obvious crush on me in HS, didn't give her a chance until after
>Gf #2 had a secret crush on me at work, she heard I broke up with gf #1 and started flirting
>Gf #3 literally worked in HR for a job I was applying to, saw my picture and developed a crush?? I got the signals a d then the flirting. It's so sub textual
>Gf #4 just messaged a nearby person on telegram, just a cartoon character pic, nondescript name.
>Gf #5 (shortest one) actual first successful seduction/game on my part. She saw me with other girl friends before I started to chat her up, too.

Gf#4 and especially #5 was the hottest and prettiest of them all, I feel retarded for spending so much time on all the other ones. Plus I was always wondering why relationship advice was off, because the girls who choose you even though you're completely lame tend to have a TON of issues and baggage. If you want a quality girl you have to act completely different and be on your game at all times. I hate having spent a decade dating losers who were obsessed with me when I could have been spending more time making money attracting much higher quality women.

>>33566029
Literal and unironic garbage. Just retard babble using vague wording so it can just claim that if it isn't working 'you are just doing it wrong bro'. This feminine/masculine aura bullshit is so stupid I have trouble believing that you actually believe.

What are the definitive, it's OVER over red flags that an older but less experienced guy must avoid? Not trying to blackpill when I say that it'll be tougher starting out, but what life circumstances or decisions make you say, "this guy fucked himself over so bad, it's as if he wants to die alone"?

So it's just like this my whole life? I just always have to be looking for women even with I'm with a woman? If you don't stop looking, the one your with won't respect you? I'm so tired guys.

>>33572441
The only definitive sign it's over is when you're dead.

>>33572449
>just always have to be looking for women even with I'm with a woman
No. You keep building yourself as a man and refuse to stay complacent just because you're in a relationship.

>>33541567 (OP)
>how to get women
I can't believe people and men in particular listen to dating advice in 2025 lmao

>>33569740
you must assimilate, anon. show her how sincere you are in your desire: start wearing blackface

>>33570455
this u?

>go on dates with 3 different women
>no longer remember who said what
>ghost all of them
Lol.

>>33572606
But I'm working on starting a business, getting more muscles, learning a language and reading. I don't stay at the same job more than 1 or 2 years. I just wanted her to stay with me, I knew she liked that I attracted other girls but as soon as I stopped telling her about other girls and how much I loved her, she stopped caring . She

>>33552926
Please just anyone give me guidance. If I spent another weekend alone in agony thinking about her I’m going to rope

>>33572881
Went on two dates on Saturday, on the second date I was feeling cheeky so I've started talking about my past dates and experiences from OLD. Needless to say there won't be any more dates with that girl

>>33573146
What guidance? Instead of feeling sorry for yourself you could try getting to know that girl, but let's face it, you're not going to that. Get yourself a dating app, try talking to girls there. You're too old to act like a mopey teenager. There is something you want, so you need to figure out how to get it

>>33573146
Get a grip dude you're obsessed with a girl you dont even know and that doesn't even know you exist.

>>33573199
I think I’m just too ugly for dating apps because I’ve swiped hundreds of times and matched with ONE obese chick
I’m introverted and struggle to speak up in groups
I genuinely don’t know what else I can try besides what I’m doing now which is hitting the gym and running sometimes up to twice a day in the hopes I’ll one day look desirable but idk what to do in the meantime

>>33573212
I know it’s wrong that’s why I’m desperate to meet women because I need to forget her

>>33573218
You're working out, which is very good. Try getting better photos for OLD, unless you're genuinely ugly. Get yourself out there, go to a concert or to a bar. Not to get chicks, but stop moping around. You need to start working on yourself, maybe even consider therapy

>>33573229
Do people still go to bars and concerts alone? I’ve peaked in bars near my house and seems it’s always just couples or small groups
I don’t think therapy does shit I’ve tried it before not for women problems though

Not that I have much luck on apps, but I have gotten a date or two from them and it's a good way to see the girls in my area, but... I think I deleted bumble too many times and when I would get almost 5 likes in my first day, I'm getting 0. Am I shadowbanned?

>>33573246
Well, I do, for fun. Yes, most people don't come alone, but what's the difference?
You're love-starved and desperate, a bad mix. Start small, talk bit more often at work, go out somewhere. There's no magical cure, you have hard work ahead of you

>>33568275
I'm average looking, old(40+) and bald. I have a decent approach technique that will get me some sort of smile and a conversation ~60% of the time, and a phone number ~10% of the time. I have been perfecting it for years now and I've been told my smile and confidence make it work.
keep grinding anon, practice makes perfect

>>33573227
>desperate
This is why you fail.
Find meaning and contentment in something else before you chase women.
Women will sense your desperation a mile off and it will repel them with the disgust of a thousand maggots in your mouth.
No one is coming to save you, but that is liberating. You have the power to act now while you're young. DO SOMETHING.

>>33542400
At least we autist have 4chan eh

>Don't want marriage
>Happiest in casual/bon-committal relationships
>Want children

How do I bullmaxx?

>>33573447
What is your secret?

You must a move with your fat wallet. LMAO

>>33541567 (OP)
Why would a woman mirror my texting style?

More context - I've been talking to this girl for a few months. We live 20 min away but a month after meeting, she went to a different state to take care of her dad (she works remote). She'll be back in a few months but that's besides the point.

We've been talking every single day now. Mostly we send each other reels and memes on Instagram.

Normally we share several memes and reels throughout a day, sometimes with captions and comments. I noticed if I stop responding for a day or two, she continues sending me reels, but she limits herself to one a day.

But then if I start sending a lot, she matches and starts sending a lot. If I start sending a lot of captions, she does too.

It's so obvious she's mirroring my texting frequency that it's kind of funny at this point. I personally spam my male friends with memes because I don't give a shit if it looks one-sided

>>33541567 (OP)
Has anyone ever used a female wingman to pull? I was thinking of getting a sugar baby who would just help me get girls. Really hype me up or even lightly peer pressure

How do I get a black girlfriend?

>>33574694
kys

>>33566029
lol this book is trash

>>33573253
Get on Facebook dating, Its completely free

>>33550540
This is all you need, I got a gf reading these books

You will have my time, sons. I have fever, so responses will be unusually short. But these are still coaching sessions for free, so charity

>>33574315
>Why would a woman mirror my texting style?
Women are followers. They are designed by god and evolution to swallow everything of you when they are in love. Everything. Your humor, political opinions, mannerisms, bad habits, quirks. Why? We bond with other people by copying them. Down to the level of nervous system. Next time you are drifting into sleep while embracing your woman, observe how the rhythm of her breath matches yours slowly. You can even tell when woman is about to monkey branch, by noticing how suddenly she is copying someone new in minor details of her life

>>33574694
Talk to black women, flirt with them, ask them out on dates

>>33574598
Its very effecting when your wingman is gorgeous. Signals your worth, socially proofs you and marks you as being safe. However all it does is opens the door for you. You still have to step in by passing all the tests, and here is when wingman os useless. My life experience is this: if you need any kind of cheap tactics to get women, you are wasting your time and potential as a man. Improve yourself to the level when tactics and tricks are not needed anymore. When you just being you just melts their minds and wets their pants

>>33574027
Make yourself irreplaceable. Find a woman who will be happy with this arrangement. Musk, Tate, Durov — people of wealth and power have multiple children from multiple women. And women are happy. Just warn them on the first date openly

>>33573253
Apps are designed for you to buy subscriptions. They are commercial products. Apps are not designed for you to find a lifelong partner right away and delete it forever. Do you see it? Are you following what I am saying? Forget about apps. Talk to women face to face

>>33572449
You are focusing on women. That is why it feels tiresome. Learned helplessness. It makes you focus on particular woman, one at a time. Instead, focus on yourself. Not in words, in action. Here is your homework, my son. Take an A4 paper, and a black pen. Color is important. Slowly fill the paper with one sentence, over and over. 'Women’s desire for me is a natural side effect of who I am, my success, and the life I create. I don’t chase or perform. I embody. Desire flows towards me because I live fully, with purpose, power, and joy.' Dont acoff at it, dont postpone. It should land in your nervous system, today

>>33572441
You are focusing on negative outcomes. Are you on your side, or are you on your enemies sides? Son, you have no enemies in this life to join. So join me, who is on your side. Are you breathing? Is there air coming into your chest? Put a palm on your neck, is there a pulse beneath your skin? Good, you are alive, here, in this moment. It means that its not too late. Male a different choice today. A new one. And stick to it, be consistent in making new choices, day to day, step by step. Even of it feel like you are about to climb the tallest mountain in the world, pay attention here, its just a mountain. It always feels most terrifying when you are at the bottom

>>33571832
>pretend
Son, you are a man. You have testosterone. You have genes of a king, of an explorer, of a shaman, of a warrior. You dont have to pretend. You dont have to employ tactics. Animals are weak, children are weak. Cowards are weak. Women are weak. They have to play games. You dont have to. You can just do what feels right, above games and above sins, and stay by it openly. Like the sun, always shining in its unmovable brilliance. Even if some planets have clouds for today

>>33570455
Treat her like a woman. Dont look at her eye patch. Flirt, seduce, ask her out. Discuss patch only if she mentions it herself. Dont joke about it, dont sugarcoat ot, dont try to fix

>>33574838
>Women are followers. They are designed by god and evolution to swallow everything of you when they are in love
Got it, so I take it this is a positive sign then? I'm thinking that if she wasn't attracted to me, and only saw me as a friend, that she wouldn't care enough to match my texting frequency. I personally dump memes on my close platonic friends regardless of whether they respond or not.

>>33574834
Carnegie's work is timeless.

>>33575085
>she wouldn't care enough to match my texting frequency

This is tricky, because we copy people we like. Next time you are having an amazing conversation with your male friend, notice how he copies your tint movements, posture, mood. Women can copy those they put in friendzone, so it should be judged by the magnitude of copying. But yeah, this particular situation of her copying communication pacing is a very good sign. She automatically follows your lead. Without games and without clinging dramas


>I personally dump memes on my close platonic friends

I will be the mirror and will reflect to your attention what you are saying here. 'I treat this woman as my male friend.'

That is not wise. You are giving her nervous system experiences that are usual for friends. If you dont care about her desire, keep going as is. If you want her sexually, polarity should be maintained. Sexy confident gentleman, talking to submissive sexy woman. Phone for setting dates, texting for her to reach out to you when she misses you, so you arrange face to face date. She is away for a while, so ask her out on video phone call date

Her nervous system will feel your voice, cadence, mannerisms, body language, facial expressions. It will lands deeply. Way deeper than links to memes she gets in ten other chats

You are the man. Direct face to face communication is your super weapon. And occasional video call to tease her, flirt, connect, hear her out, praise her, guide her — is your nuke over any competition she is talking to remotely through sharing memes

>>33541567 (OP)
Can someone explain why it's important to try to have sex within three dates

>>33546467
Are you going after tall women, or short ones?
a 4'11 or even 5'2 girl is going to look at you and go "hell no". Try talking to girls who are at least 5'8-6'0.

You're also pretty scary, btw. especially to girls under 5'2. you're so much bigger than them they probably know they'd have no chance if you got violent, so make sure you come off as well adjusted.

>>33576083
To avoid falling into the friend zone or provider zone

>>33574834
I've read the top 3. Manson > Glover > Greene.
Are there blackpills in the psychology books? I feel like if I have to read psychologists say "healthy monogamous relationships dry women up like the desert" in morally neutral language I'll give up permanently.

>>33574834
this is great. can i get a tl;dr

I can't get excited anymore about dating, they're all the same, either they have tatts or piercings, unemployed or work some dead end job or have substance abuse issues or if they do have their act together have a big fucking chip on their shoulder, I'm done with American women, at least if I get a big booty latina bimbo she'll take the time out to look nice.

It does not matter if you are high on meth freaking out and smell like you came from a sewage plant, but if you maintain a calm demeanor, you will do a hell of a lot better than someone who isn't. Your calm demeanor will help you through everything. When you are telling bad jokes, when your flirting is off, when you embarass yourself, a calm demeanor will help you out.

I've only had 3 dates in my life, and I finally met a woman who I truly feel connected with. She is a smart, svelte chick who gives me major endorphins to be around. I am smitten. But I am terrified my lack of experience is going to fuck me over.

> match on bumble a week ago
> hit it off, exchange numbers
> had first date monday this week
> walked around town, got dinner, talked for hours
> laugh and share our interests, conversation flows naturally
> walk her back to her car, chat and laugh a bit more
> give her a hug and tell her to text me when home
> I walk home and text her saying I had a very fun time
> tell her I'd like to see her again
> she texts back immediately and agrees
> she mentioned earlier that she always wanted to see JAWS in a theater
> I search and find a re-screening nearby. propose second date movie+dinner
> she accepts, but soonest she is available is next monday
> a bit far out, but fuck it, I buy us tickets
> now the wait begins
> we've been texting a very tiny bit (3-4 texts per day)
> I'm trying my best not to be needy / pushy
> her messages are sincere, but it is clear she is throttling conversation
> you are here. 4 days until date

I know movie isn't the best chance to talk, but when I found the screening I couldn't help but think it was a good idea. She was enthusiastic about it at the very least.

Any tips for (A) not fucking it up between now and then, and (B) making most of movie / dinner date? I'm leery of her somewhat slow texting pace, and the anxiety is eating me a bit. I am hoping she isn't going to ghost me. Assuming I make it to the second date, I get the feeling I should push for some physical contact like hand holding + kiss? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>33576565
Dude, read the post I made. Literally if you went in like a gorilla and followed my post you'll be alright. You may not win her over, but I guarantee you won't severely lose her. A lawyer would follow my advice.

So I'm in my early 30s, I've had ONE "high school sweetheart" relationship that ended in heartbreak two years ago, and I'm in kind of a rut where even approaching a relationship again seems terrifying. I think I shouldn't have tried to use dating apps because after over half a year of that and not being able to make any connections I feel like I just don't care anymore, it's made me tired and bitter in a bad way, like it started feeling like there's just nobody out there I would even WANT to date.

But recently I met a girl who works at a little independent store and I've dropped by a few times, not more often than once a week, and it's probably fucking obvious that I don't really have any business being in there and I'm just there to talk to her, but I feel like she's actually responding positively to seeing me and it's a really weird and nice feeling. But I've never asked a girl out before. I have no idea how to do it. My ex literally just threw herself on me after I had known her for like a year. What the hell do I do? Fuck, I don't even know how old she is, I don't even know if she's single, all this shit paralyzes me. Why am I such an anxious wreck? Help.

>>33576516
God I love Kyle Hyde. Is there a man more emblematic of the human condition?

This is it. I've cracked the code.

If you walk around with confidence and good posture, women WILL notice you even if you don't particularly notice them.

Now, I'm still figuring out how to actually get these women, but I now know for a fact they notice me.

I approached a beautiful Russian girl travelling in my country and we went on to walk and get some food. I tried my usual game of you touching mire and more until getting closer for a kiss felt natural but it never did. I ended up leaving her to meet up with my roommate, a beautiful Italian girl.
Later on we both ran into her walking and my roommate invited her on the exact same walk and talk we did earlier. They complimented each other and talked while I mostly stayed silent, catching glances of eye contact with the Russian.
The roommate knows all about a breakup I had and they're walking together without me now bc I had to catch a meeting.
Is this a good thing? The Italian girl is very good at setting up hangouts. From my past experiences like this, this type of social proof will surely elevate the Russians attraction to me. I'm dreaming of my roommate taking her back to our place but I know it won't happen.

Anyway, I lost my social steam and couldn't find a way to escalate with the Russian girl who got off a lot of teasing jokes to me. Unfortunately I was self deprecating today since I've been a little sad lately. Am I fucked?

>>33574838
I usually rely on dating apps but I never match with any. What sort of places should I go to meet black women

>>33577467
There's also showing you are being positive, which I struggle with at times.

Is this like
a propaganda thread? Like
what the fuck why
would you want to go out of your
way for them when you know
there’s this seething disdain
for everything you are under the surface?

How do I ask out a girl at the gym?

>>33541567 (OP)
I probably get a lot of shit for saying this, but why are there guys who are struggling with women?

All i do is start a random conversation with one of them in a place where talking to someone is not out of place, and if the conversation is going well eventually i just say "Hey what are you up to this weekend, we should hang out somewhere."
Most of them say no or stop the conversation in disinterest, but a few of them say yes.

I'm not good looking, i'm not rich, i'm not tall, i just tell them we should meet up after a bit of smalltalk.
I also see ugly ass dudes with okay looking women in the park or in the supermarket every day.
If even they manage, what's the difficulty exactly?

>>33550540
Start talking to them in a zero risk scenario like discord. Talk about stuff you care about like gaming or anime, eventually talk about personal stuff.
Asking women in online chat rooms about fashion tips unironically helped me a lot. Not only do they love talking about it, but it gave me an idea about what styles they like that i can wear.

>>33576157
Only The Manual has some blackpills but nothing that particularly bothered me.

Is it safe to assume someone talking on the phone at 8:50 AM in the office lobby is talking to her boyfriend or husband

>>33578157
probably

>>33578041
>most anons are heavily autistic and struggle with random conversations
>most anons have extremely low self-esteem/self-image issues and are easily discouraged by tripe they read online
>most anons have basically no social life and nothing going for them which makes them feel embarrassed when contemplating trying to ask girls out because they don’t want her finding out that they still live at home and are kind of a loser

>>33578387
>>33578041
Becoming a just another cock on the carousel is easy, finding a woman who doesn’t despise you for existing and only begrudgingly accepts your cock as a consolation prize until the next one comes along is hard. So hard that men need to be convinced that women who will be nice to them actually exist

>>33578387
Damn this post perfectly sums me up. At least I am going to move out of my moms house soon.

>>33578387
>finding out that they still live at home

I now realize you meant "parents home" but my first reaction was "I can't have a home now? Where the fuck do they want me to live?"

a little reminder that you should never bring up sex first with a woman. if she's attracted to you, she'll bring it up first. everything else is pushy

>>33579037
Huh? No woman will bring up the subject of sex unless you make the first move, they always create resistance

>>33579037
you shouldn't even bring it up, you should seduce, move up through the seduction stage, kiss, caress etc., then initiate sex at the right moment

>>33578041
I get 0 likes or matches on dating apps.

I'm 30 and reasonably attractive. I know it's not smart but I really want to date a pregnant chick. I find them so attractive even if it does feel trashy. Where do I meet pregnant woman like that?

>>33579046
the resistance comes from being too pushy. women are absolute horn dogs for the right guy

What are you desperate lonely losers going to do when you actually "get women"?

Do you think life will be worth living then?

God forbid a trad innocent girl ever gets deflowered by one of you imbeciles.

>>33579320
"what are you desperate marathon trainers gonna do when you reach the finish line"
feel good, celebrate, pray for our enemies

>>33579320
change wives whenever they get old