Thread 33657144

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33657144 (OP)
dodge the Gains Goblins

>>33657144 (OP)
>IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do.
I’m a glitch in the dating sim. A side character who wandered into the love story by accident and keeps waiting for a cutscene that isn’t coded. I lost my twenties like car keys, found my thirties buried under binge cycles and half completed self-improvement plans. Now I’m forty-one with soft hair and a good voice, apparently, not that it matters. My only real talent is being overlooked with dignity. At this point, my romantic prospects require a woman with poor judgment and excellent taste in tragedies, and a saintliness required for dealing with a middle age man who is still "figuring out what he wants."

I'd love to hear your rationalization as to why I am not doomed.

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

Should I avoid talking to women until I feel better?
I got dumped a couple months ago and I still cringe and get angry/sad about it. I've been on ~6 dates since, but haven't even gotten to kissing and it feels unnatural to touch/flirt and game at the moment. I end up just using them to talk to. In this way, I feel like I ruined my chances with them especially one of them.

Should I stop approaching altogether to allow healing? I'm constantly thinking of her and finding another girl to plug my mind up with.
I was kind of needy, but we spent a month physically together out of 3 months dating. Im kind of depressed but I still approach girls. I feel like crap about myself and I wonder how much its obvious to them. I go to the gym 3x a week, I do art shows, do classes on my spare time, study, read, I have 3 jobs, but it just haunts me through everything.

>>33657437
You are doomed because you're trying to blame everything around you instead of yourself for your own failures. As much as women are incapable of taking accountability, a man being unable to do so is repulsive to them since it just makes you another woman.

How do I make myself less boring to women?

I've been trying to e-date for a few months now and the most common thing I hear is that I'm too boring. At first they appreciate that I'm mentally stable and not a deranged coomer, but things quickly peter out and I can't maintain their interest. I think I'm pretty good at holding conversations with people, ask them questions, get them to talk about themselves, make lots of jokes, etc but it never seems to last. It always ends up with me initiating conversations every time while their responses get shorter and shorter until I give up or they just flat out tell me that they're not interested any more.

Am I just pursuing the wrong women? Is it a "vibes" thing that I'm somehow failing at?

I'm not even autistic so I really have no excuse and I'm starting to worry that there's something wrong with me.

>>33657528
asking questions, keeping up conversation, etc are all good skills. but at some point if YOU don't have anything interesting to add to it, what's the point? I know everything about myself already, I don't want to only talk about me. I want conversations to be a balance. If you're repeatedly getting feedback that you're boring it's probably because you either don't add anything novel to the conversations, or the topics you bring up aren't ones they can generate interest in. for me the topic itself matters way less than if the other person can make it sound interesting or convey some passion for it. i don't need a giant infodump, but i like hearing about what other people get up to in their spare time. or, maybe that you don't have hobbies/other things you're going out and doing with your time?

>finally get a girl to fuck and become FWB
>her pussy smells weird sometimes

I can never fucking win and I'm definitely not going to tell this chick to clean up her diet or shower more.

>>33657552
I'm definitely a homebody but I don't just doomscroll. I can hold a conversation about all kinds of topics and guys I talk to don't seem to think I'm too boring. My only real hobbies are cooking, reading, and some video games, though.
Obviously getting out and doing something like hiking or martial arts or something would improve my looks, but most of them have rejected me without ever seeing what I look like. I just don't see how being able to say "I went on a hike and saw some birds and trees" would improve my odds. Is it just a checkbox that I need to have ticked off?

>>33657646
Women respond to emotion. Your conversation is about facts and statements, that's why you can talk to guys but not girls.

I need some advice based on >>33655693
I was only semi-joking with my post. We've only been on a couple of dates so if she was meeting someone else it wouldn't bother me too much. The problem now is that I insinuated she was getting fucked, but in a joking way. She seemed to see it as a joke, she always messages first when she gets up. Except this time she hasn't.
Usually my reply is always based on what she's said. I don't really want to ask her how last night was in case she thinks I'm trying to get details and I've been on edge the whole time. I don't really want to ask what she's doing today because I already know what she's doing today.
How do I unfuck this situation I've got myself in bros?

>>33658106
That's what you get for fishing lol. Passive aggression is shitty and pathetic even in joking ways, she picked up on it and left you hanging for a reason. Just take the L. Either drop this relationship since it's been only two dates, or don't ever bring it up again, just start the next conversation off by inviting her out on another date or over to hangout. Silver lining is whenever I've been curious about what someone did on a night out, it always later comes out that they did nothing, drank and came home and woke up late, but that's not a guarantee.

Slight rant but so many people go wrong with passive aggression, next time if you truly want to know if she's going on a date and fucking other guys, just ask her outright, no hostility. "This a date?" "You meeting up with a guy you're into?" "You trying to bang this guy"?" If you're interested in exclusivity just tell her that's what you want. But again, just forget about the last few messages and move on, take it as a chance to reset.

>>33658213
cont.
Also I realized she (or you) never even mentioned the gender of the "friend" it could have been another woman and you're worrying about nothing.

Your bullies irregardless of how you get sex or not, are still gonna call you a virgin.

>>33658213
I wasn't really fishing as such, like I say it wouldn't even really bother me because we aren't exactly together. The thing is she wants to be exclusive with someone and that's why I would prefer her to be honest. I'm a complete fucking sap and if I'm dating someone, as is happening now, I won't date anyone else. I'm turning other dates down because of it. But I don't want to be doing that for her to turn around and say "yeah things have been great, but I'm going to be exclusive with this person you never knew about instead lol c ya!" that's why I prefer the honesty.

I appreciate the reply. As is typical as soon as I posted she sent me a message. She was vague on the gender of the friend too though. Much like you I have been curious in the past, convinced myself they were getting bucked wild, nothing like that happened and they were just with a friend (female), and I've caused a massive, easily avoidable situation by being a dickhead.
I have just ignored it and moved onto talking about other things now. I'll see how things go and then I'll just be upfront if need be. At least that way everyone knows where they stand.

>>33654871
Because I need to be a perfect human being for that.

>>33658272
Hell yeah, good man. And good luck. Sounds like you actually like her.

>>33658286
Thanks bro. I do like her, but the age gap means something long term might not be viable. I always get myself into a retarded situation.
Like I say I'll just see how things go and try not to be the old me as much as I can kek.

Anons who have experience, how do I find and date hot girls with big boobs?

Talking to female family members about your struggles with women? Good idea or bad?

any media to consume that hypes you up to approach women?

How do you train yourself to want to put effort for "mid"/ugly chicks? It's starting to hit me how ugly I am despite my looksmaxxing efforts and when I reflect on who ever really gave me a shot - it was these chicks.

Is it better to stay single than to entertain someone who feels off putting? If they are sweet , I will anyone a chance but I lowkey feel they want me cause they still want to be pursued (ego boost) or play games

>>33658362
Very good, this is what family is for

>>33658382
>entertain someone who feels off putting
In my experience if they are off putting as long as they're a nice person the looks part passes. Never had a 10 gf, but I've had a few 9s and (more than) a few 2s. In both cases their looks become neither here nor there after a while and you start appreciating the person they are. It sounds cliche, but attractive people rarely have attractive personalities because they've never had to have one. That's not to say ugly people have good personalities because they've had to have one. I've known plenty ugs who have been complete pieces of shit, same way I've known really, really attractive people way out of my league to be very good decent people. It's been made even worse now by all of the ego boosting from people looking for an easy fuck and this bizarre trend of encouraging women to aim for chads who they think they deserve when they really don't. But on balance the ugly ones are still more often the better people.

>meet acquaintance in an event
>she somewhat respects me because I'm more experienced in a common area of interest
>I end up having luch with her and 2 of her female friends
>talk a lot with one of her friends 1-on-1, as during walking moments we naturally split in two pairs
>I say goodbye to them in the bus stop and never asked for socials/form of contact
NGMI. In a way I don't regret it that much because even if we talked for a bit I didn't really feel any signs of attraction and she seemed to be a really different person to me with polar opposite ideals (i.e I want to move abroad but she wants to settle down here), but I still feel like a retard for not even asking for her number after talking a bunch.
I might ask the common friend depending on how she answer me after my generic "I had fun with you and your friends!" text
just venting a bit

>>33658373
I haven't found anything personally. Listen to music maybe to try to hype yourself up, but honestly that doesn't feel like it works consistently. The fact of the approach is that it's like jumping into water. You dip your toe in, it's freezing. You jump in and it's cold initially. Eventually though, you just flow. The first approach is usually the hardest, maybe the second and third might be tricky too depending on how you feel, but eventually you get into the right social/talkative state and it's not as bad. This is why it's great to have wings who understand all this shit because you can deliberately put each other in a social state.

>>33658754
Yeah don't beat yourself up too hard there. Something stands out to me as an obvious explanation for why you weren't eager to get the number: "(i.e I want to move abroad but she wants to settle down here)". That's a pretty big deal and that can affect your interest in a person on a subconscious level, especially if you're an experienced guy who knows how stuff that like can balloon into huge issues down the line. If this chick dazzled you, you would have gotten her number or else you'd be really pissed.

That being said, there's a few schools of thought on how to operate (and there's sub-schools of thought) and it really depends which of those you consider yourself to be a part of. One of them is closer to the PUA school which is "take it as far as you can go always and find an application for every set...practice on them, fuck them, or use them as a wing-woman." The other is more humane and sort of holistic and would say you exercised emotional maturity and non-neediness by reading the room so to speak and not pressing.

ugh all the women past 35 are gross looking

>>33658213
>If you're interested in exclusivity just tell her that's what you want.
If you're the one pushing for exclusivity, you've already lost. She should be the one pushing for it, otherwise she clearly doesn't care about being exclusive or losing you.

Is everyone's online dating experience like mine? To explain, I'm pretty fit, I'm slightly above average height, and I've been told I'm handsome by enough people that I believe it. I've also hooked up with some very pretty women, so I know I'm not undesirable.

I have a Hinge profile and granted it's kind of low-effort - my main pic is a bathroom-mirror selfie that shows off my physique, though the other photos are OK I guess. I only swipe on women I find attractive and I was able to get 1-3 matches a day in my first week, but the thing is most of the time they either never respond to my first message, or we have a brief conversation and it fizzles out after a few messages. I've only secured one date so far.

Is this everyone's experience?

>>33659303
Online dating is horrible. Between the algorithms being designed to keep you engaging rather than actually caring about you hooking up or meeting someone and women's chaotic nature in general, you're setting yourself up for at least a headache, if not massive self-esteem issues and doubt. I have one friend who has had semi-success on dating apps. He's a doctor living in Manhattan and the girl he's dating is still a pig compared to the quality of woman he could get in person. This has been the case with every guy I know. The ones that met their girlfriend on dating apps could do WAY better. The ones that met their girlfriends in person really can't do much better. The apps aren't for your benefit.

>>33659388
>the girl he's dating is still a pig compared to the quality of woman he could get in person. This has been the case with every guy I know. The ones that met their girlfriend on dating apps could do WAY better
Yeah this is exactly what I noticed too in almost every single one of my friends, the only exception is a guy who basically looks like a model himself. I can match with cute girls at the level that I might date normally but they almost never respond, or they just disappear halfway through a convo (probably found someone hotter). For the most part, only girls I have no interest in are the ones that pursue me hard.

What's a good way for a guy in his late 20's/early 30's to meet women normally? I have a nice job and a lot of male and female friends but they're almost all settled down already, so I feel like I have to do this by myself.

I was going to yoga class and I would get some looks from girls but it's hard to approach there. Any suggestions for activities? I live in a big city.

>>33659471
>"(probably found someone hotter)"
That's an example of the app fucking with you. Women just react to whatever stimulates them or catches their attention in the moment. You almost have to not even take it personally or you'll go crazy.

>What's a good way for a guy in his late 20's/early 30's to meet women normally? I have a nice job and a lot of male and female friends but they're almost all settled down already, so I feel like I have to do this by myself.
You have to find your niche and you have to practice, but doing it alone is really hard in my opinion. It's way easier if you have one or two other people you can go out regularly with. It's bringing a gun to a fist fight levels of easier. The good thing though is that you can meet beautiful women almost anywhere. The bar, church, an aquarium, a restaurant, the park, the gym. They're all over really. You're spoiled for choice.

Imagine if you had perfect "game." I would bet you wouldn't even be asking where you could meet them. You'd just go wherever, see beautiful women and shoot your shot. Imagine how liberating that would feel where women aren't even the goal, they're just an incidental bonus to whatever you personally just feel like doing. So more often than not the problem is "game" and that comes from experience and experience is easier to amass when you have friends doing it with you.

I've never seen a guide on how to do any of this solo and even back in the "PUA days" guys that were absolutely fucking lethal operators were hesitant to do it solo.

>>33659303
That sounds about usual. I opened a new profile recently so im in that newbie boost period where your profile gets shown more, so I got like 12 matches over the last few days, but with the same effect. This time around I think I've kept conversations alive a bit better than in the past by being more aggressively flirty and forward about setting up dates. Like within the first couple exchanges im trying to steer the conversation towards meeting, although like you I've only had one success so far

My recent "progress" in talking
>go to climbing gyms to boulder a bit
>there's this girl who was mogging me on a route
>I ask her for pointers and discuss other routes and problems
> despite gavung some stilted moments, we periodically chit chat over the course of an hour or so
>I wasn't even trying to hit on her, just genuinely wanted to talk about bouldering problems. Which was probably a good thing since I learned that she was 16.
Am I doing it right?

>>33659697
>probably a good thing since I learned that she was 16.
What state?

Alright I've been feelin hornier than usual lately, how the fuck do I go about getting an FWB. Step by step, I can become friends with women super fucking easily, but anything sexual I have no clue about

>>33659284
Don't play stupid games like this, quit being passive. Just say what you want, or you will end up being single for the rest of your life. It's funny how women get the stereotype of not being clear communicators and expecting men to read their minds, when this has never been my experience with any of the women I've been with, and the only people I've seen engaged in this behavior is immature lonely men trying to pull PUA shit. In all areas of life if you never speak up or take moments to be decisive you'll be passed over and forgotten every single time.

>>33659784
Zero experience with FWB but I imagine those start off by trying to date them but staying friendly afterwards with occasional boots calls. It would probably have to be vased on some acknowledged physical attraction first, because you'll have a hard time convincing a platonic lady friend to bang you if she's not attracted.

>>33659849
I can think of maybe 3 girl friends where there's highly likely some mutual attraction going, but you never really know, and I'd hate to kill those friendships trying, best play would be to start from scratch with a rando or someone who's acquaintance at best

>>33659784
You follow the exact same steps you would follow for getting GF, except at some point before or after sex you have the FwB or "not looking for anything serious" conversation

>>33657144 (OP)
>always wanted to score a genuine BBW
>9 times out of 10 they're disgusting, swipe left
>match with one that's big and looks quite good
Plapjack here I come

Just work on your bio and openers bro!

Can you even meet mid to late 20s women doing activities? I’m looking for things to do on meetup.com and it’s all 50 year olds

>>33660118
ask the 50 year olds if they have single daughters

>>33657144 (OP)
Anyone here managed to turn things around and get into a LTR in their 30's? I'm in need of some nice copium right now because I want to just give up and go the rest of my life as a celibate. A lot of the things like anxiety and depression that I suffered from in my 20's aren't really a problem now, im still pretty avoidant though is the thing. So, anyone here managed to improve in their 30's? I am above average in the looks department and have had success with attractive women in the past, but nothing long term at all.

Is consulting with a dating coach or male therapist specializing with dating a good idea? I might be on the spectrum or at the very least am really introverted and am lacking in the social skills department especially when it comes to dating and getting to know people. Has anyone had success with this?

>>33660026
This insane lmao.

>>33660343
He got game!

>>33657144 (OP)
how do I get a harem of FTM femboys?

I confided to my mum about my insecurities and lack of confidence with women
It was nice but am I wrong to think this is all complete BS like modern women really don’t care about “depth” or “sincerity” and the whole “it doesn’t matter that you’re not earning a lot of money”
I feel like she just comes from a different world or age group where people had different values, I don’t care if her 60 year old friends think I’m nice

>>33657144 (OP)
Is it retarded or a 5 dimensional chess move to friendzone a girl first?
Chatting with a girl over text. We hit it off, similar interests, all that. She was initially receptive to the idea of meeting up but that never came to pass because she lives several states away, on a literal island state.
She's cute but she's kind of... not that bright. I can't imagine living the rest of my life with this girl. She likes reading light novels and ao3 yaoi while I'm more /lit/

>>33660026
>grand total of 4 women, 1 of whom is post-wall and 2 are almost hitting it

I don’t think this is making the point that you think it’s making, incel kun.

>>33660732
Women like talking how they value honesty and sincerity and kindness, but they don't mention all those qualities need to be attached to an attractive guy. Pic related is right about negative talk getting you nowhere though

>>33661051
What..? What in the overthinking overcomplicating fuck is this for a question? Are you not interested? Tell her. Thats not a 5 dimensional chess move. Its communication.

so I finally hung out with the aspie girl and we did mushroom gummies and watched YT videos and talked about philosophy all night, it didn't get hot n heavy but she texted me back immediately after she got home to tell me she had a good time, essentially she's someone that I would talk to from time to time at my local spot but tonight we were both high and left with her and hung out in my car, she's been shit testing me previously so I ignored her for about a month then decided to start talking to her again and I drove her back to her car but we were both high and were supposed to go back to her place but got distracted just talking, well she did most of the talking

>>33660732
>“it doesn’t matter that you’re not earning a lot of money”

that's where you're wrong, Ive known broke unemployed mfs that pulled without any effort because they're fun to be around and that's really all women care about, how you make them feel

anon, who was going to ask out his friend, how's it going

I feel pathetic, I just spent like 2 hours scrolling through the social media of a bunch of girls that I sorta loosely knew and wanted to ask out but never got the courage to do. Fuck man at least most guys do it with their ex-girlfriends not random girls from 4 years ago that they barely knew from that one karate class and had fantasies about but never actually got anywhere with.

God, if you're up there and grant wishes, I ask for nothing else except to have the courage to push through my fear of social ostracizing and actually hit on girls.

Do female friends eventually become GFs if you're decently attractive

>>33661797
It's happened with me before, but it can cause a ruckus in the friend group if things go awry. It almost comes with the same problems as dating a friend's sister or something like that. Not quite that bad, but similar ballpark.

>>33661852
No friend group to speak of. Anything I should know?

I literally met her by stopping her on campus then proceeding to talk her ear off for an hour straight.

>>33661696
Four years isn't that long ago, message the one you like most, but only if she seems single/available. Reintroduce yourself, tell her you that you've always liked her and was hoping to take her out in the future. Be prepared for her to not possibly remember you, have a boyfriend, or just outright ignore your message and block you. Nothing terrible can happen from normal conversation.

>>33661869
Also make sure your profile looks like an actual social media profile where she can see your face and you in real life scenes doing normal human shit. Doing it from a profile full of CSGO clips and political memes is going to make you look like a stalker.

>>33661869
>tell her you that you've always liked her and was hoping to take her out in the future
sounds kind of cringe ngl

>>33661887
My policy with women is always honesty and forwardness, let them know you're interested right off the bat, that's how guys end up in "the friend zone" when they want to play it cool. Type whatever you want but I find the way zoomers text each other these days to be retarded. I type in plan English, even when talking to zoomer girls and haven't had a single issue with getting them interested in flirting or going out.

Based on the past few years of losing weight, lifting weights, and finally trying to get a girlfriend on Tinder and Bumble and Hinge at the age of 31, after a lifetime of no interest from them irl, it seems I am genetic shit and can get no matches, and when women ignored me irl or looked disgusted, that wasn't me wrongly perceiving them to think that, it's what they actually think, and my commonsense intuition from looking in the mirror, that I am very ugly, turned out to be correct all along, as expected.

So what's the next step of my master plan?

I live alone, have no social life, have a remote work job. I could move from my medium sized city of some hundred thousands to London if I was really desperate (though I'd be living in a tiny flat, which may look pathetic to women). 'Approaching' isn't a thing in the UK and going to random activity groups to get women is transparently pathetic and everyone would see through that.

>>33661926
You're most likely not ugly, you guys gotta get out more and pay attention to couples, there are millions of ugly men that have wives and kids, and no they are not millionaires. Online dating is too oversaturated with men, you stand almost no chance unless you look like a movie star or runway model, otherwise it turns into a numbers game of you messaging hundreds of women to get one date. Just go out, maybe start talking to women instead of "approaching them" that means just normal conversations. Eventually an opportunity might pop up for you to ask her out, maybe you like the same bands, or the same movie director, or the same football team or whatever and you can invite her out to a show or match.

>>33661946

That would get you arrested in Britain.

>>33661975
No that's if you cat call the undercovers

>>33661869
To be honest that sounds super creepy. Does that even work, just randomly hitting up a hot girl you met several years back and haven't seen since and then inviting her out? That sounds like the most socially uncalibrated thing one could possibly do and earn you a bad reputation.

>>33661981
No, you let her know that you potentially want to date her/ Chat with her for a bit, get to know her again, let her get to know you, just normal shit. And then when you feel good about it, ask her out. She says no just say okay it was nice talking to you again and move on. Billions of hoes out here. But you'll never get anywhere if you don't actually make your intentions known and make strides toward them. Again there's nothing dangerous about fucking messages. "Hey, I'm X. We were in the same karate class as few years ago. I've actually always liked was just wondering what you've been for the last few years. Are you still practicing any martial arts?" and just have a normal conversation from there. All of that "damn you a baddie frfr" shit I see dudes doing is a hundred times more creepy imo, but whatever.

>>33657144 (OP)
I was about to spend 50k on a world tour, find a wife. Tinder platinum wants 20 week. Thats insane, I was planning on 600 a year. How do I buy it for cheaper?

>>33662268
If you a broke boy just say dat.

>>33662290
I mad 1.6m this year, but paying $20 a week just feels wrong.

>>33662302
You gay boy.

>>33662408
Dark skinned people are weird.

>>33657144 (OP)
I have lately started noticing women looking at me on the street but they don't smile or have any visual expression that would indicate they feel good or bad about me or anything, just neutral expressions and eye contact.
I'm 28, not the hottest guy in town but I'm generally good looking

Went on a date with a girl, it was a short hike and a lunch after that. She was nice and peaceful. I think she's a virgin from what I spoke to her. I don't think she had any makeup on. She dressed conservatively, no tats piercings or colored hair. She was a bit chubbier in person than in her profile pictures. 5'4" and 65kg. She is an engineer and she earns almost as much as me being 2 years younger. I'd presume she's kinda smart. So, my sister saw her pictures and said she looks poor. She was poor growing up but she's not poor anymore. I thought I grew up poor, but it goes much lower. She had cows growing up and I grew up in an industrial town. You could say she looks a bit country. Other than being a bit chubby, looking and speaking a bit odd, I think she's a cool person. What do I do?

>>33662621
Tell her you enjoyed the date and want to see her again soon.

30M germ here, going to travel to the West Coast for 7 weeks (LA for three weeks). How do I get my dick ridden by college sluts? Don't like dating apps since I have far more success just talking to women IRL, just need some general pointers what worked out for you guys since dating culture is kinda different over here in bratwurstland

Thanks in advance anons

How do I convince the pretty ladies with big titties to let me stick my penis in their vagina?

I'm done asking for sex.

I'm taking it at the next opportunity, by force if necessary. At any cost.

>>33662621
Idk nigga what does your heart desire?

oh boy this aspie girl kissed me on the neck when I hugged her goodbye, was kinda shocked at how quickly she's been showing interest, going to see her tomorrow, all I've been doing is sitting back and letting her do the talking. Dating Coaches are fulla shit when you don't have to ask for a date when the woman is doing the chasing and escalating.

I guess that's the trick is to find a woman who's more into you than you are into them

>>33661887
That's what you're gonna get if you come to this site for advice on picking up women

>>33657520
Very bot like response.

>>33665131
The advice your standard anon gives is usually along the lines of fuck women they're all stupid whores, if she's not ready to suck your cock after you say hello to her she's not worth your time at all, oh and she needs to be a virgin and Christian and not in college. Unlike you all I've been consistently fucking women for the last 20+ years, from teenager all through manhood, so what the fuck do I know?

>>33657144 (OP)
>meet a woman of Bumble
>she's from a different city, but her parents live in my city
>we meet up, but at 1pm because she was visting just for a day and planning to go home later that day
>it goes well, it's pretty clear she wants something casual, swap phone numbers
>message a bit
So essentially I have to wait until she says she's coming over to my city again, as I can't really message her every week like a dork, and it's clear it can turn into a FwB type of situation if I play my cards right

So is this like those trucker threads that used to get posted on /o/? Where there’s just a bunch of corpo shills and boomers trying to jew the shit out of desperate poor people?

>>33665612
Okay boomer, that world doesn’t exist any more

>>33662566
They think you’re going to rape them

>>33666076
I'm in my mid 30s, not a old, still young enough to still your imaginary gf. And nope talking to women still works, as I've said before I still get zoomettes to send nudes and meet up to fuck. I have no idea why it's so difficult for you all. Even with the most basic advice, it's like you all have a severe case of stage freight, all of yo can't be on the spectrum or mentally ill. Hell even people on the spectrum mask enough to get laid on occasion.

>>33666076
I'm in my mid 30s, not old, still young enough to steal your imaginary gf. And nope talking to women still works, as that's literally the only way to get women interested in you, sans paying an escort for the gf experience. As I've said before I still get zoomettes to send nudes and meet up to fuck, and sometimes that's with them barely knowing what I look like. I have no idea why it's so difficult for you all. Even with the most basic advice, it's like you all have a severe case of stage freight, all of you can't be on the spectrum or mentally ill. Hell even people on the spectrum mask enough to get laid on occasion.

>>33666133
First, you’re full of shit, second [spiler]no shit, if you haven’t figured out that there’s a mass delusion among dudes our age or younger that everyone hates them then you haven’t been paying close enough attention to the world around you to offer advice that would actually help[/spoiler]

You can't refute this.

>>33666147
>noo it's not true that you've been doing the same thing men have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years
And look more whining and victimization, another reason why you won't ever get a woman.

>>33666155
These zoomettes, are they in the room with us right now?

>>33666161
They are literally everywhere you just talk to them. The catch is to approach them with intent to get to know them without judgment, and not with the intent to just use them as a warm hole, they can sense the desperate creepy horniness coming off of you from across the room. Also not just young girls are available, I've spent a good chunk of my life dating older women, and have always tried to encourage other young men to approach older women because they are way more straight forward than girls that are 19 or 22, but you all are fucking retarded and have convinced yourselves that any woman over the age of 25 has hit the wall and if she's 30 she's a barren hag, might as well be a corpse.

>>33658270
Cope.

>>33666170
hilarious post my dude

How do I smile at girls? I stop myself because I feel like I would look extremely creepy but apparently I have to do it.

>Match with someone
>Has a verified account although I'm not sure how much faith to put in that
>She's 10/10
>But only has one pic
>Doesn't use social media
>At the same time she won't give her number out to anyone
>Has allegedly interesting hobbies
>She's not looking for anything other than chats and if that goes well hanging out
>Which means it doesn't seem like she's a bot trying to rob me of money
>It also doesn't seem like she's looking for an ego boost because she could get that off better looking people than me
>It all seems legit
>But also too good to be true

How do I approach this situation?

>>33666270
Id make a good faith effort to wrangle a date but it she's being cryptic and evasive then unmatch

I got my sister to help me do my Hinge profile and I actually get a few matches now.
The issue is I feel like everyone just dumps me after a couple of messages? I try to just be friendly and casual but not overly flirty, more like I’m just trying to be friends at first. Is this too boring?

>>33666272
I wouldn't say so much being cryptic, but I get the feeling she's one of those that takes ages to reply. Either because she doesn't use it much or because she gets a lot of attention from chads.
I'm going to try and keep it casual for now because I get the feeling if I try to go for the date too early she'll really not like it. I somehow find it a lot easier to be cool and relaxed with more attractive people than I do with ones who are less attractive. Maybe it's because I don't have any faith in it going anywhere with the attractive ones so I don't get my hopes up kek.

>>33666283
How many is a couple? You should just ask them out in like 2 screenshots of messages like 1 or 2 topics. And dont be vague about it.
>are you free this weekend to grab drinks?

>>33666321
Ok so as an example this girl just replied to me now. We work in the same industry and I was going to ask her more about her job but should I just be like “want 2 get coffee” or something now?
this is 7 messages in

>>33666335
yes

>>33666170
>the catch is to approach them with intent to get to know them without judgment
Is this what Ross felt trying to correct that Reddit furry that tried to cancel SKG? It’s like, you’re almost there but then you veer off into things that neither matter or make sense.
>they can sense the desperate creepy horniness coming off of you from across the room.
No, they can’t, all they can do is judge your style, hygiene, and posture. That’s the problem in a nutshell. Projecting what YOU think a person is thinking about you onto THEM when there is no way to know what they think about you until you introduce yourself. You just don’t understand that something has happened to make it trivial for a guy to absolutely convince himself with no uncertainty that every woman no matter where he goes out what she looks like is going to smell desperate creepness on them like an instinct when that’s completely retarded.

>>33666357
>Is this what Ross felt trying to correct that Reddit furry that tried to cancel SKG?
What the fuck does this even mean? If you say shit like this no woman will talk to you.
>>33666357
>No, they can’t
Yes they can. You can sense desperate women too. The only difference is that there are way more men willing to fuck a desperate woman than there are women willing to fuck a desperate guy.

>>33666369
Pray tell, how exactly do you expect guys who approach all interactions with women with the mindset of
>she might think I’m a desperate creep
to not come across as desperate for approval just to get to know them. You’ve completely ignored this self sabotage while just telling guys to send it without going after the root of their problem.

>>33666144
What kind of kick do you get out of lying to people here?

Haven’t had much experience online dating, I see a lot of women that I don’t see as attractive and they don’t really “excite” me from their photos but they’re not hideous or overweight so I wonder if “maybe if I meet them in person I could fall for them if they’re nice” but I also recognize I might be coping because I can’t get women that do “excite” me on dating apps
Idk anyone can relate and weigh in on this?

>>33666407
You ever watch a tv show or movie where the guy characters go out with intentions of specifically getting laid? Notice how they always come off as super cringy and awkward, and that they always fail to get the girl(s)? The redemption arc has them succeeding only when they stop trying to put their dick into someone and have a genuine interaction with them not centered around the ulterior motive of sex. It's just like that irl. You want these things to be instantaneous but they take awhile, yes even "Chad" has to occasionally put in effort to get women that he likes to sleep with him or go out on a date. The only other way I can explain it is to talk to them as if they were a female cousin, just no pressure conversations. Drop any fantasy notions you have about women or how women should be. It's genuinely not hard, how do you people spend your entire lives around girls and women but fail to interact with them enough to not even make them feel comfortable enough to sit and have fucking lunch or coffee with you, or go to a concert, or a school dance, or even to fucking Walmart is amazing. Do any of you even have male friends?

>>33666289
There's a lot to be said for confidently setting up a date as soon as possible. If you matched its because you both found eachother attractive enough, at least superficially. Slowly chatting over the course of a few days doesnt allow you to cover any meaningful ground either. The sooner you meet in person the better chances of getting in before "chad" does and also allows you to build rapport way faster than any slow roll will.
Like shit if you already dont have your hopes up what is there to lose?

>>33666335
If im reading that correctly you both work in the same building? Just playfuply ask her if you want to go on a date in the food court or something, and then maybe open the door for a more serious option

>>33666151
>>33666197
>Still no refutation
Feels good being on the right side of history.

>>33666465
You’re talking about 4chaners, why in the fuck would you expect any guy on this shithole site to have had any experience interacting with women after elementary school? To me it speaks to how little you understand the kind of depression and isolation the guys who post here experience.
>>33666555
It’s delusion, not the positive kind where you end up a narcissist but the kind that tricks you into putting yourself down. Everything about the opinions exists exclusively between the op’s ears and nowhere else

>>33666476
No we work in the same industry and she’s familiar with my building, probably visited it at some point for work related stuff

I was gonna say “oh cool I’ve always wanted to learn more about that area, can I take you out for coffee sometime?” Which is actually true and I’m trying to naturally flow the conversation but also sounds maybe a bit try?

Made 4 meetings today
1st girl 6/10 in looks, kinda boring but we barely spoke
>Followed into an art exhibit
>Said something like is the tv (dumb post modern art) bright for you too? She smiled and said yes
>I was fidgeting like crazy at that time, felt uncomfortable
>Asked her literally a minute into the convo to go out
>Yes yes sure!
>Almost ditches me at the end after I tried to make convo with her and she just says "ok".
>About to leave she starts saying "there's actually this thing..."
>Interrupt and say it's cool, have a nice day
2nd girl 6/10
>Met at a festival, just went up to her to talk
>Walked and talked, clicked pretty good, was asking me tons of questions
>Sat down with her, noticed she kept staring into my eyes and glancing at my lips while asking questions
>Say I'd rather just kiss than answer any more of her questions
>She gets nervous
>We kiss
>Try to lure her to a makeout spot
>She says no but asks for my contact
>Texted me "did you get home ok?" >Haven't replied yet
3rd girl hot, great body, fat ass, dressed for the club, unknown face due to makeup and contacts 8?/10
>Was a group of 3
>I approached from the side, they already seemed to have the instinct to block her, knowing she's the hottest
>They're very rude, but eventually I just get to talking to her, try to slow the pace as her friends walk ahead and even start filming me
>Just smile and wave at the phone
>Her friends run away and she slows down with me a little and even stops and looks back at me when she notices I stopped and stares at me until her friends call for her and she turns away to run to them
I guess I could have shook her hand and held it to offer some adventure or some shit
4th girl 7/10 tall, nice body
>Joke with her
>Again someone taking a picture of my pickup not a friend but a cashier, this time we pose together and she seems to be chill, gives me her number, goes away

I've never had the camera thing happen before, it's kind of stupid if it's meant to deter me.

>>33666638
>To me it speaks to how little you understand the kind of depression and isolation the guys who post here experience.

More excuses and why guys keep failing. Guys are defeating themselves before you even try. They aren't as debilitated and unlovable as they think they are.

Here's a task for the anons that have issues getting women - if you can convince, a woman that's familiar with you through proximity, so a female classmate, coworker, or neighbor, to simply walk to the nearest store or gas station with you to grab a soda or coffee and snacks, while having a friendly chat. With the reason being "it's nice out, lets enjoy the weather for a bit, I'm buying" then that means you can convince a woman to have dinner with you. I promise you it's the same set of social skills being used.

No one is so broken that they can't convince someone familiar to take a casual stroll around the block with them for ten minutes. But just in case...make sure you are showered, hair clean and neat, in clean clothes, with teeth brushed, and mouth wash used, before you try the task out.

>>33666730
And deodorant used.
Can also say something like "I'm going to the store, you want to come with?" Super casual and easy, no pressure because you don't want anything from these women. Also don't try it with the hottest girl on the job or campus or whatever, just your normal average, everyday girl is ideal.

>>33666469
You make some good points there tbf. I think I'll wait for her to reply, assuming she even does, and then hit her with the old "text is so impersonal let's get a coffee" line. Although I'll probably put more thought into it than that.
Thanks!

>>33666638
VIRGIN LITERALLY MEANS "YOUNG WOMAN". HOW RETARDED DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO CLAIM MALE VIRGINITY ISN'T FEMINIZING?

>>33666444
>>33666655
Stop overthinking my guys. If you match with a cute girl just ask them out. If they think you're cute too she will say yes.

At 5"8' should I even bother with dating apps? I'm in decent shape and don't have any facial features that would make me ugly but I rarely get any matches or likes. I've been using tinder and hinge for about 4 months now, I think I matched with 5 girls on hinge and 4 on tinder. Went on a first date with 2 of those total, and none of these women I was really that into. So should I just drop the dating apps? I feel like my ego is just getting hit and its all for just going on dates with chicks I'm not even attracted to.

>>33666655
That could work, but id phrase it more like "I've always wanted to learn more about that area, let's hold a working group over lunch?
But make sure you're already both on the same page with the ironic use of workplace jargon.

>>33666711
Outstanding, I can't wait to see the internet shame a PUA once that video blows up on tik tok

>>33666876
Semantic drift. It hasn't colloqually meant young woman for a long time

>>33667544
Cope harder Nosexsissy. There is only one difference between a "male" virgin and a eunuch: The former can regain his masculinity, the latter can't.

is it a good sign if w*men ask you about your lovelife? I found it interesting that they assumed I get pussy

I just wanted to rant how it pisses me off that I'm always benched and rhen women come back months later to use me as a spare tire as if nothing happened. Something like:
>start talking with girl
>we go on a date
>things seem fine
>she starts giving short answers, canceling plans, being vague (obviously found someone better looking to rail her)
>fine bye, disengage
>Chad pumps and dumps her
>"haiiiiii anon how u been we should meet uwu"
>meets at random in public and seem super excited to see me
>ignore, disengage
Like what in the flying fuck. "Tee hee sorry I was busy fucking someone else, but hes tired of me so now you have the chance to be my emotional tampon and be cheated on, also pay everything". What is wrong with people? Do people really think this behavior is acceptable? Anyways, just venting on it. Thoughts?

Let me tell you something, there is an alternative to impressing women if you can't ever have social skills. It will be a lot harder, but if you absolutely can never get your social game up I will tell you the alternative now:

Be a man of example, virtue, understanding, and endurance.

Yes you read that right. You will be better than a guy who is all talk and no show as you will be all show and no talk. And bingo, girls like you.

>>33667894
I feel like I'm falling into this myself atm so I'm going to rant a bit too
>Met girl
>Had a couple of dates
>Going well
>Texts have slowed way the fuck down since she "went out with the girls" and they're very short compared to what they were
>It went from like one text every 10 minutes to four throughout the whole day if that
>There used to be some shitty excuse like "I fell asleep" or "I didn't see you had text" to not even getting an excuse anymore
>At one time this would devastate me and because I'm meeting her at the weekend I would start being semi-simp to show how much I'm the better option
>Instead I'm going to meet her at the weekend, see if I can fuck her, and whether I do or not that will be that
>It doesn't matter anyway because I've set up a date with someone else on Monday and one with someone else on Wednesday
I refused to do things like that in the past because I always felt it was unfair. But fuck it. If I'm wrong I can always apologize.

>>33668375
Its all so tiresome. But I dont think youre wrong, trying one last time to at least fuck the bitch or not then disengaging sounds good. I dont think youre wrong in talking with other women when shes such a bitch also.
My modus operandi is just disengaging and ignoring, I wont be anyones cuck under any circumstances. These bitches should count their blessings that I give them the time of day and yet they think theyre hot shit and can play games. They can go fuck themselves for all I care, but the sheer disrespect infuriates me.

an extra resource i like that i figured i should share with yall is a site called killyourinnerloser, it has a tinder guide if anyone wants to go the online dating route, it's a lot of work, but, it's step by step so you can get some pussy if yall are looking to do that

I’ve recently moved to a city to go into trade school this January. I work at a Home Depot, work out, and walk the park trails. Is it worth cold approaching and how to be more confident.

>>33665124
Just be real with yourself about wjether youre taking advantage of her disability to get laid.

>>33668805
Tinder is horrible desu. You can get 100x more pussy with shitty cold approach

I talked to a girl at the gym today about her sweatshirt. I noticed her looking at me several times so i was curious to see if this possible sign of attraction translated to am easier approach. She seemed lively enough to keep the conversation going so i guess my experiment with sample size of 1 was a success. I only really got her name and that was it, but I can at least say hi in the future now

If you are stuck between two young women you are dating and one is flakly with you but share similar likes and dislikes, and the other you have no similar likes and dislkkes but she is in love with you, drop the flaky bitch. Flaky women it does not matter if she is into anime and games like you; it ain't worth it bro.

>>33669514
really? i have heard similar on PUA forums, that if you learn to do cold approach, you will get hot women, and tinder is kind of the leftovers/refuse
I'm kind of chickenshit I guess, so I figure tinder is better than nothing, but after I get some dating experience I am planning on learning to cold approach as well, makes sense though, if they're in public they're in public not the same as them intentionally creating a profile on an app.

>>33669673
unless you’re in the top 20% looks wise youll have more success trying to cold approach

>Live in white neighborhood as youth
>black
>moved to city thats still majority white but theres more people of color
>really hard finding other black women but whitewashed so they don’t like me when I even try

I feel like my only option is finding women who will fetishize me. Where do I even find them

>>33667650
>STILL no refutation
Another Nosexsissy defeated. Let's hope "he" visits a prostitute now to regain "his" masculinity.

>>33669780
Stick to your kind monkey.
Really though, just look for a similar polite black woman. Maybe in church.
Dont be part of the problem and race mix

>>33669673
>>33669717
They're not mutually exclusive

>>33669780
Tinder

>got a match on hinge after WEEKS of nothing
>she seems nice
>ask her if she wants to get coffee
>24 hours later no response
I’m so fucking tired bros

>>33671014
I have never gotten a match, so a bit skeptical towards apps

>>33671042
>>33671014
Are you guys legit deformed or what? Like even an average looking dude should be getting a matches once in a while. Your profile must be sucking real ass, like put some effort in, it matters a lot. You probably dont want to post the profile but give me a description of your pics and tell me what prompts you have.

>>33671014

Why aren't you swiping or talking to more women? I started getting success when I stopped giving a fuck about the outcome all the while continuing to put myself out there.

what do you goys think of book of pook and rational male

also is the models study guide any good?

>>33672693
I thought they were already in the OP. Honestly just pick one, it's all the same shit together with models and nice guy.

>>33658362
depends on their views and how many are close to you (+ live close to you)

>>33658545
I pretty much only have my mom who's a restrictive religious dumbfuck
and my dad doesn't care

I unironically had to find a (female) therapist telling her I wanted to hook up because I missed out

The others were...I don't know if turbo feminists, but they seemed to think a lot like those fds femcels, talking about "redflags" (for men ofc, not for women) and suck. And the few men were as dumb as they get

>>33660026
didnt read but goal body desu

>>33672701
what's the difference between those 2? I already read models but dont want to re-read it (hence the study guide)

>>33672705
>suck
such*

>>33672705
>depends on their views
Well the "family" bit implies you know them well and know where they stand. Could easily be a female friend instead. It's not like you can't get anything useful out of someone with opposing views, just gotta filter it out a bit mentally.

Used to be people got along a lot better across the aisle. I wonder how politics has become such a big part of people's character/personality now. Even dem/rep marriages weren't uncommon last generation.

>>33661468
I didn't, she mantains me on her orbit so I decided to fuck off.

>>33659303
I'm not pretty fit but I'm lean and around 6ft
In hs and college I'd get mired by hot chicks even if they were with they boyfriends. It still happens today but less bc I moved out and I'm now in different circles (I have no idea where to meet young people)
I tried tinder and bumble and got +99/+50 in a few hours, but the matches were so low quality and there was so much ghosting I rage quit. I also have little social media presence and my pics were indoors tripod shots or selfies. And apparently the best ratio you can find in apps is 1 woman every 2 men
Mind you, last time I went to a bar and by some miracle I found a hot girl more or less my age (actually a bit older), she fucking asked me out lol

>>33669673
>and tinder is kind of the leftovers/refuse
Maybe its because I grew up in the 90s, but we always considered online dating to be for the greasiest spergs and fattiest fat chicks imaginable. No one with would ever consider that trash, at least have some dignity and go hire a streetwalker.

>I'm kind of chickenshit I guess, so I figure tinder
Considering that being a chickenshit is profoundly unattractive in a guy, its like pottery.
Look, you don't need to do full blown cold approach, but you do need to show your interest in women IRL, t*nder will just destroy your self esteem and even if it works you get a date and have to not be a chickenshit and kiss her anyways.

Zoomer whitepill

https://www.hims.com/news/dating-in-person-vs-online

I only go on tinder and bumble to window shop.
just to see the type of women that are around me

Ok So I'm about to hit 35 abnd I'm still a virgin.
As an alternative to killing myself, I am considering getting laid. Hwo would a man in my situation go about this? No fatties, no online dating - I still have a few precious tatters of dignity left.

>>33657528
I think if you got the first part done holdin a convo then you need to actually do things.

I noticed I can talk about whatever but it does get boring after awhile. Women want to DO things. Schedule more activities. Dont be needy, get her hyped for it, and keep the interactions short and simple.

It seems like a huge plus if she follows your insta, and you do something that day, post a pic, but dont respond to her. Basically letting her know you have options just like her.

>>33657556

Dont think enough women know how good our sense of smell is and how much a fucking dank pussy is a turn off. Like just a fucking wiff of smegma cheese in her hood and its over.

>>33671167
I don’t think I’m attractive but im not fat or anything, just incredibly forgettable looking…
Are my prompts bad?

>>33672473
It’s fucking soul crushing doing this every day. Matching with every woman that looks nice, trying to think of a nice genuine compliment for her pictures or prompts. Repeating this every single day with no success. It makes me feel worthless

>>33666469
I'm posting an update in response to this. She didn't reply to my mundane question after like two days. So I panicked and hit her with the coffee line. Long story short it seems to be working. I'm incredibly paranoid now though. The girl I have been on a few dates with replied to my text about 20 minutes before this other girl did and it's the first time either have replied at like 2am. This is just coincidence and not a setup right?

Don't date women who think they are main characters in a martyr story when really they have decent upper middle class lifestyles. Especially don't date women who say you'll never get them and that is why you are an asshole. Or women who are like a minefield when it comes to emotions.

>>33674172
I think your prompts could be a smidge longer. Like the “we’ll get along if” could be a bit more in depth.
The pancakes and waffles thing is cute , so I say keep that one.


Also hinge isn’t always the best app. Have you tried Bumble or Facebook Dating ? I have a friend that met his wife on fb dating actually. They just married in June!

Anyway like I said, doesn’t seem like a bad start.

>>33674284
Isn’t bumble like, completely dead because the whole “women message first” thing doesn’t work for women
I don’t have a Facebook account
I appreciate the advice might touch up my prompts

>>33674338
The Bumble thing confused me. Then when I made an account I could message them first if we matched.
It's definitely been the one I've found hardest to keep conversations going on though.

>>33674338
Oh idk haven't been on that since like 2018 . But that kinda makes sense . I used to hate to have to msg first
I think if you don’t have an existing fb account you can just make the dating one. But yeah no problem , hope everything goes well !

>>33658373

power by kanye

>>33658382

just edge yourself every day for four days. by the fifth day you won’t care that she has hairy pits and walks with a hunch.

>>33674426
Does edging make you more arouses than not jerking it at all?

I know everyone and every date is different, but how much do you still flirt when you're on a first date? I've been realizing that I'm a bit too passive and stuck in a "friends hanging out" vibe instead of a "potential romantic & lifelong partner" vibe.
Do you make any point of drawing a line on the sand for how much/little you turn up the corndogging?

>be me
>several years into my wizardhood
>finally got to make out with a woman for the first time
>sex drive fully rejuvenates as a result
>go from wanking about once a week before to wanting to beat my meat multiple times a day
>can't stop jorkin it

help

>>33674426
fucking hilarious lol

Hey guys my tinder profile says
"Ive been told I have a big dick, but my mom has been known to exaggerate." Thoughts?????

Want to get your opinions on this.

There's a girl I've been seeing for about 2 months. We were texting for the 1st month then started meeting up and hooking up a month ago.

We hung out a few times over the course of 2 weeks and had sex a handful of times during that span. I've been trying to pace seeing her to once a week and we were supposed to meet up on the 6th, but I had to cancel cuz I had a family emergency. Our schedules haven't aligned since.
Things seemed to be going pretty well, but over the last week her texting has fallen off a bit and she's started taking longer to respond, or doesn't respond till I send a follow up text. I think I got too cocky because we were already getting intimate and so I got sloppy with my texting.
She got sick last week and then her birthday was this weekend so she was busy with friends then too.

Yesterday evening I texted her again to try and set something up and haven't heard back yet.

Do I just continue to play it cool and distract myself or do I follow up with a text?

>>33674223
I've noticed that hinge notifications seem to come in little clusters. Its too much of a pattern to be a coincidence... unless all women really do start checking their phone at dedicated hours
But yeah just keep both cooking until uou can get the date with this other girl and sus things out and decide accordingly

>>33674172
Kinda bad. I agree that the pancake one is playful, but the other two are flaccid. Well get along if we can roast eachother would probably be better
And just drop the dont hate me thing, idk how to recover that like lmao its even giving me the ick.

I personally think prompts are more for conveying a sense of humor and starting conversations. Really your pics do the heavy lifting. "Image is worth 1000 words" kind of thing.

>>33675226
thank you I appreciate the honesty
Any tips on what prompts/pictures?
the “roast” one is overdone I think? I see it on every 3rd woman’s profile

No response in 24 hour mean it’s over right?

>>33674172
Exactly same thoughts as previous anon first one is boring 2nd one is kinda cringe 3rd is ok. You have to give off your own interests but also keep some jokes in
>my simple pleasures are late night drives, chess and pancakes with vanilla ice.
>something like tell me about the last book you've read
>together we could skip the small talk and start a farm
>green flags I look out for, perfect rice cooking skills, serial yapper, cat person
Idk just keep it fun and easy to reply to.
Are your pics decent? At least the first one face clearly visible not a bathroom selfie good lightning friendly confident look.
Second a full body shot showing off your style.
>>33675113
My opinion is stop messaging her if she doesn't reply to that.

>>33675510
I looked at my photo and it was objectively good I’m just so fucking ugly I realized it’s never going to work I just deleted everything fuck I give up

>>33657499
they do if you pay them.
Id rather pay than go through humiliation rituals.

>>33657528
>How do I make myself less boring to women?
Spend 2 months in Europe.

>>33674097
Thanks anon

>>33675546
I was in New Zealand and scuba diving in Fiji for a month this year but they don't seem to care about that beyond a few pictures of fish.

>>33675494
Not necessarily, but likely

>>33674179
It's like looking for a job, once you get the job you don't feel bummed about all those place that didn't even invite you for a interview

>>33672962
oh, that's sad to hear

>>33675536
This is a loser mondset

>>33675543
Paying for a prostitute put of desperation is the oldest humiliation ritual in the book

>>33657499
i did
didn't get much reaction from her

>Her texts are less and less enthusiastic
>Start doing the same back
This is the right thing to do isn't it?

>>33676472
Pull out altogether, if she reaches out, great, but let's face it, she won't

>>33676491
I've already met her a few times and we have a date planned for the weekend. She's been like this before and then in person she's totally different and her usual fun self.

>>33676501
Okay then, in that case only message her to confirm date

>friends wife told me to just use apps because all her friends met their significant others with them
am I being ribbed?

>>33676501
Wait until her message leaves a natural break in the conversation. Don't message until morning of the date, she will message you first. If you can't sustain conversation, saying nothing is better.

>>33675732
No it fucking isn't. Apps are specifically designed to attack your sense of self worth in order to keep you swiping.
Honestly, just cold approaching and gettgin told to fuck off by 100 women IRL is most likely less soul crushing than those horrid things.
Humans aren't built to "swipe" through hundreds of other people within minutes.

>>33676554
Eitehr that , or shes a fucking idiot. No one uses those things anymore.

>>33676589
Stop being so fragile.

>>33676589
Being salty will get you nowhere anon. Apps are the easiest way to land a date these days whether you like it or not

>be me in public
>look at girl
>she sees me looking at her
>walk away and do something
>go to random shop I wanted to go to twenty minutes later
>turns out she's right behind me as I walk into the store and she starts browsing
>I browse near her
>eventually she stops browsing, glances at me and leaves
Did she want me to talk to her or am I imagining things?

>>33657144 (OP)
How do i get over the fact that literally every woman ive been with has been nothing but cruel and abusive towards me. It doesnt help that "the good ones" have no interest in me either. I feel like giving up

>>33676658
How does that even happen mate. Aint no way you will catch a woman being cruel and abusive towards me. Stop being so pussy whipped and put that bitch in her place,you're a man aren't you?

>>33676682
Cool. Anyone who isnt a larping faggot got any actual advice?

>>33676684
Kek so far lost you think I'm trolling. It's over for you.

>>33676599
Its been scientifically proven that apps utterly destroy their users self esteem, for both men AND women ironically. Cope&seethe.

>>33676626
>rummaging through the trash can is the easiets way
The easiest way is having a social life plus occasionally saying "hi" to a girl who gives you that look. No swiping, no pictures, no texting no effort.
Quick reminder that over 90% of women aren't on those apps, and those that are always have a reason.

>>33676630
A girl "randomly" popping up wherever you happen to be is always a sure sign. This isn't an exact science and its always possible to read too much into it, but this is as blunt as it gets with women. Never forget that they are , quite literally, total pussies.

So where do I go to actually meet women? If dating apps are dogshit, what do I do?

>>33676718
I think you are the one coping and seething here.

>>33676727
Literally just go outside. Go to the library, go to a park, look for local groups in things you’re interested in. Socializing and networking is how you’ll meet people.
Be friendly and open. Just because you are though doesn’t mean everyone is going to talk to you so also don’t expect that. However being kind and outgoing will get more friends than not

>>33676835
Copign what, that I get laid without needing to resort to that trash?
I just remember how using those apps almost made me want to kill myself during covid lockdowns, only to go out again and almost immediately meet a hot girl.
So yeah, I have a bit of a personal problem with those corporate pieces of shit for making me feel worthless when reality paints a vastly different picture. Foudn out it was just punishment for refusing to pay their subscription. If you don't pay, the algorithm will whip you by sorting you into the most unattractive category automatically.

>>33676851
>do this for 30 years
>still lonely
Cut it with the bullshit already
>inb4 dur you dont seem positive and outgoing
Yea i wonder why

>>33676726
Thanks for the tip.
I just felt that I would feel like a horrible creep if I talked to her even though I know that women want that sometimes. I think theres a fine line and it worries me.

>>33676953
You , my sweet summer child , are autistic .

>>33677033
MAYBE
I will still win

How do I get over the crippling anxiety that if I come within 10 feet of a woman she'll literally call 911?

>>33657556
Tell her to use some damn soap?
Or if you wanna get sexy, offer to take a shower together and use that opportunity to scrub the fuck out of it.

>>33662621
Don't dump her over her growing up poor, are you insane? This isn't something you throw away for some intangible arbitrary reason

New thread similar idea

>>33677732

I'm a bisexual dude in my early 30s, your typical twink that grew up and aged out of twinkhood.
During my 'youth' I only dated men. Between two guys, the relationships I've had felt like were always fair and equal between eachother. Neither of us would spend an inordinate amount of money on the other, bills were paid equally, and we were both entertaining eachother, but being fine entertaining ourselves too.

Now, I'm dating a girl, my first long term relationship with a female. I cant help but compare the two. I got over a decade on her, and because of my career, encourage her being a stay at home gf. It's really not a money issue though, she's broke and I'm not, simple as. With my job being mostly remote, we spend a lot of time together, detrimentally so to our social network. The problem is the attention she craves, and the fact that she basically expects me to entertain her and keep her occupied whenever I'm not working. If I pick up my phone, she'll be trying to annoy me within a few minutes (think tickling, huffing and puffing, or complaining that I dont love her).

She does manage to entertain herself for a while, playing Silksong or something until she gets too frustrated, and then I'm supposed to always be there to pick up the slack to prevent her from getting bored.

I guess my question is, are all girls like this? Am I expected to literally entertain the woman for all of my waking days? What about the stuff that I'm interested in, my hobbies etc?

>>33677805
Try dating a woman your own age.

>>33677843
No. I like her.

>>33678022
Clearly.

>>33677805
>encourage her being a stay at home gf

Why would you ever do that? Stay-at-home anything has become obsolete the moment electrical kitchen appliances became a thing. As it is shes just a jobless no life neet, and most people go kinda crazy in that setting. 50s housewifes were generally drunk or fliyng high as kites on painkillers all day every day due to severe cabin fever. And they had the other housewifes to endelssly spin hollow gossip with, your gf doesn't even have that.

>The problem is the attention she craves, and the fact that she basically expects me to entertain her and keep her occupied whenever I'm not working
Duh. You're actively encouraging her into following a lifestyle of abject boredom where you are the only exciment whatsoever.
>Am I expected to literally entertain the woman for all of my waking days?
If your plan is to lock her in the house with nothing to do and no goals of her own, then yes thats what it boils down to.

>>33677843
age gap fags should be booted back to feminist twitter or wheerever that nonsene came from. The only difefrence here is that a 30s woman will most likely tell this guy to fuck off when he asks her to give up her own life to come rot at his place.

>>33677107
Definitely not for that. She is a bit chubby. She doesn't wear makeup, no shaped brows, no painted nails. She is someone unlike anyone I've met before.

>>33678107
>A bit chubby
As long as she isn't monstrously obese I don't see a problem
>Doesn't wear makeup
That's not a necessity
>No shaped brows
That's good, shaped brows put a woman in the uncanny valley
>No painted nails
I find painted nails kind of gross. Painted fingernails make her hands look dirty and painted toenails make it seem like she's into foot stuff

>>33678070
You make a lot of good points. Let me give context to them.

>why would you ever do that?
Well she cooks, she cleans, we can have sex and hang out while im on the clock.. the why shouldnt be controversial, and if all goes according to plan Ill start putting babies in her in a couple of years, so I guess I dont really see the point of her getting an entry level job somewhere with the intent of building a career when we both think her being SAHM would be far better for the kids.

>You're actively encouraging her into a lifestyle of boredom
I guess. Being a jobless neet is kinda my ideal existence though, all the time in the world to fart about and do whatever. I've never had an issue entertaining myself and I guess I figured others would be equally self-starting.

>lock her in the house
I dont, I encourage her developing goals and what nots on her own, picking up hobbies and even a side hustle, but shes also got a healthy dose of social anxiety, so in combination with all of it, there's definitely signs of cabin fever.

>>33678252
>Well she cooks, she cleans, we can have sex and hang out while im on the clock

Hanging out all the time is guaranteed to only intensify her boredom and kill all the excitement needed for sex. As they saying goes, give her an opportunity to miss you.Symbiosis is THE sex killer.

>I dont really see the point of her getting an entry level job somewhere with the intent of building a career
Weird way of thinking tbqh. Just get a part time job somewhere, bring in some extra money and get out of the house. You can quit jobs any time you like, and if she wants to work when the kids are older she at least doesn't have a years long gap on her resumee before getting pregnant. Also benefits like paid mothers leave and such which you can exploit before she quits for good to bring in extra money, which is never wrong.
>I figured others would be equally self-starting.
Tons of people aren't and women are especially bad at this.

>but shes also got a healthy dose of social anxiety,
Might actually be the biggest roadblock. By creating a comfort zone in your place, shes even less likely to face said anxiety, whcih is probably the main reason for her cabin fever. Theres a huge difference between staying inside because you want to, and doing so because you're too scared to do anything else.

30 and just got out of a year long relationship a week ago. gonna download bumble and then hinge if it doesn't work.
any tips for getting started again? last gf was found via hinge. we still just use dumb pickup lines and act like we care about their prompts lol

>>33676491
>>33676503
Seconding this

>>33678247
>she's into foot stuff
hot

Recently tried the chapter 3 exercise in Dating Essentials for Men. I'm trying to get over not being able to approach women, but damn is it hard. I was just paralyzed the whole time in the store trying to interact with one girl about my age and I couldn't even try the exercise to get rejected. Even forcing myself just gets me cold feet even though I know they won't remember me in a few minutes. It just seems to blunt to ask for their number. Any advice from anons, should I just keep chipping away at it for another week or try another approach?

Stay away from people who act bipolar about your autism.

I'm too ugly for dating apps, should I just accept my state-issued AI gf

>>33675510
>My opinion is stop messaging her if she doesn't reply to that.
I see, haven't reached out to her, but she liked one of my insta posts today.

I'm confused though, why would she interact with me on insta by liking a post, but then not reply to my message?

I am genuinely asking how can I possibly keep my hopes up when it all seems so grim.
I know I’m not alone and everything I’m about to say has been said before. I’m not special, I get it, that’s part of the problem desu. It doesn’t change the fact that I’m constantly on the edge of giving up again and traditional arguments have failed me.

I keep wondering what’s even the point?
>If I wealth max, she’ll just want my money and run.
>If I looksmax like I have been, she’ll just want eye candy and everything about the relationship will be vapid.
>If I take steroids, I’ll be putting my long term health at risk for a person who only loves an over inflated body. And will leave once it slows down.
>If I practice charisma every day, I’m just a funny guy at the party.
And for what? Another thing to worry about? A sexless and loveless marriage? Several months of simping over a girlfriend only to find out I will never get to kiss her. That last one actually happened to me, it’s not even in my head.

There are clear benefits to having a relationship.
>I could say I had girlfriend.
>People treated me better.
Some of the self improvement stuff at least has other benefits.
>Being fit also gets people to treat you better.
>Being healthy and strong makes your life easier.
>More money is always better.
>bold fashion choices makes you the life of a party.
But if I need to exert myself to an extreme to get a gf, then I’m not prioritizing these reasons anymore.

Maybe I’m just asking for too much. Idk
But again, what is it all for?
About all I genuinely got is
>a sense of purpose
>a warm bed at night
Neither of which am I achieving.

And the cost just keeps getting steeper.
>I can easily be arrested or lose my job for approaching the wrong person at the wrong time.
>Every rejection makes a new woman that tells her friends how pathetic I am.
>comment too long please remove 67 characters

How do you guys keep your head up through it all?

>>33679122
Lean into the absurdity and remember the most minimal thing you can do that still sort of counts is say "hi." When I say the absurdity, what I mean is that just keep going out and freezing. Just keep going out, being too scared to approach, and letting it frustrate you. But be careful because this level of discomfort can be really severe and I'm not exaggerating when I say it can make you suicidal. When you see all these beautiful girls you want to talk to and something inside your seemingly broken head just is freezing you there solid, it's misery inducing.

But that's why it is important...The discomfort is going to get your mind racing. It's going to get you to consider changes and actions you didn't consider before. On the other side of that though is something akin to not giving a fuck. You'll actually eventually acclimate to the discomfort. You have to go out with the intention to approach, you have to fail to approach, and it has to make you miserable enough to either kill yourself literally (don't) or kill yourself psychologically, the person who fears rejection so much that they become paralyzed.

>>33679459
To keep you orbiting. Pay her no mind.

If nothing comes soon after some effort, I'm going to have to finally try my hand at Tinder and whatever apps there are. Having a social media presence can't hurt either.

While I did meet two girls in my class, it was pretty disappointing I didn't get to talk to the girl I wanted to.W We didn't even get in the same group or really get to choose them. I hope the groups aren't the same for the rest of the semester.
I'm going to have to force myself to approach and talk to her after class next time, if she's not busy.

>>33679852
Yeah that's some solid advice. I can approach women and talk to them usually with things like small talk or ice breakers like talking about books in a book store. But trying to cross that threshold into anything resembling flirting can be a steep wall especially with strangers.

Best I can do for now is just keep going out and trying to position myself to try to get into those conversations.

>>33679834
>How do you guys keep your head up through it all?
1. I don't get tangled up in my own head over hypotheticals and ego preserving excuses for why it's pointless to talk to or be with women.
2. Possibly an extension of 1 - I actually like women. I like talking to them, I like making out with them, I like fucking them, and I like watching them meld into a companion as they let their guard down around you. I like their sensitivity, I like even when they get nuts sometimes because I like to bring them back down to Earth and tease them over how dumb they are.
Those are the big ones. I might also add that it just feels really damn good to play the game once you're past a certain threshold of proficiency and that playing it can lead you to some pretty beautiful places and experiences. Arguably some of the most beautiful places and experiences.

>>33679834
>I can easily be arrested or lose my job for approaching the wrong person at the wrong time.
>Every rejection makes a new woman that tells her friends how pathetic I am.

As long as you're not absurdly autistic the risk of these happening is near-zero. Just make sure that any approaches you attempt are in a public or semi-public setting and that you're not making them super uncomfortable by refusing to take no for an answer/following them around/saying something creepy.

And if it's someone who you know well enough that her telling her friends would matter, you should already know whether or not you can approach her, and if she does consider you a friend or friendly acquaintance she'd be more likely to try to set you up with one of her friends than try to set them against you.

>>33679959
I've been through it. You just get out there with intent. Maybe you do nothing. Maybe you say nothing. Let yourself get a little angry. Let those thoughts pass through your awareness: "I'm going to die alone" "I feel like a failure/idiot/whatever" "I need to fucking go do this AGAIN, I need to feel all this horrible shit AGAIN?" Yeah you do. And then eventually you say "hi" or you suddenly make a goofy riff and maybe it even lands and your immediate reaction is "oh shit oh shit oh shit, what do I do now?" and so you laugh, smile, and excuse yourself. There it was, your first actual open.

Maybe you do that a couple more times and suddenly you realize you need to actually follow it up or else you're going to be doing "hi...bye..." in perpetuity. I mean I could go through the whole process here, but the point is, every step of it is uncomfortable practically by necessity because it's the discomfort that gets you to finally say "hi" and it's the discomfort that gets you to go from saying "hi" to "hey I need your opinion on something, which of these do you think looks better?" to "...oh really, why do you think that?" to riffing and teasing her about her reasoning and so on.

Every step away of the way solo though is eating shit in one form or another, but that's the fuel. The nasty, shit-tasting, psychologically acidic fuel.

Hey guys I literally just got home from a first date and we had a great conversation over dinner and she mentioned a Korean restaurant she likes and told me we should go there together, later she said it a second time and now I just got back, how long should I wait until I message her? I don’t know if she was just saying that or if she actually wants to go to that restaurant She’s busy tonight with work, should I still text her? Also should I say that I had a great time and in the same sentence ask if she’s free to go to the Korean restaurant next week?

>>33679834
>>If I wealth max, she’ll just want my money and run.
dont talk about your wealth until she's your gf? give her other reasons to decide on you, wealth shouldnt even enter the conversation
>>If I looksmax like I have been, she’ll just want eye candy and everything about the relationship will be vapid.
this is absolutely not true lmao. women especially might want attractive partners but it's on top of someone they emotionally connect with
>>If I take steroids, I’ll be putting my long term health at risk for a person who only loves an over inflated body. And will leave once it slows down.
why the fuck would you even consider steroids. just go ottermode
>>If I practice charisma every day, I’m just a funny guy at the party.
this is a good thing

seriously what the fuck is wrong with you to where you're so fucking backwards on all these assumptions

>>33657499
This is what I did, asked her out and now I’ve got a date this Saturday

>>33680170
NEVER DOOM

>>33679959
The only real difference between small talk and flirting is framing the conversation around the other person and adding levity. Like in the bookstore example, small talk would be a back and forth about a certain genre or book series. Flirting would be asking about her interest in the books, sprinkling some self deprecation in about your own reading abilities and maybe gently teasing her about her taste if she seems receptive.

On very important thing of note is that flirting is a two-way thing. She has to reciprocate. But when she does, flirting is WAY easier to lean into.

>at work
>female coworker holding some grilled onions
>asks me if I want them for my diet jokingly
>I grab her hand throw them up so they land on her
>she laughs and starts removing them
>asks if there's any on her
>tell her there's one on her neck
>asks me to remove it
>run my fingers through her neck and remove said object
She's flirted with a couple of times before, but I mean, letting me touch her neck should be a good sign right? If a girl isn't attracted to you she wouldn't let you touch her anywhere as far as I know. Thoughts?

>>33657499
I tried this. She accepted. I suggested a day. She ignored it.

>>33680190
>I grab her hand throw them up so they land on her
what the fuck

>>33680194
her loss
start working on the next one

>>33680066
if you think it was a good first date you could even message before going to bed, no need to wait a specific amount of time. Sounds like she likes you so she would probably be thrilled.

As I get social skills back, I'm really amazed by how naturally women seem to be designed to flirt. I've now sort of inadvertently run an experiment where when I was a bit more intense and deep early on in the interactions I couldn't seem to hold the girls as much. It was like the key wasn't going into the lock. They don't care about depth. Not at that stage anyway. As soon as I just decided to keep it light and fun though every girl, every single fucking girl, started matching my energy and they just keep going unless I deliberately break the back and forth or lose steam. I feel like I'm near a major breakthrough.

>>33669555
ok update, i saw her again today and she avoided eye contact up until she accidentally did, where she promptly gave one of those half smile things. Not sure how to interpret it but I dont actually find her that attractive so this is more fascinating than anything else

>>33680199
What do you need clarified?

Well I think I have an aspie gf, we've kinda knew each other for several months and would chit chat but since this weekend we've been hanging out everyday, she grabbed my hand and I feel like a teenager, it feels so natural. I'm just going with the flow.

Anyone try recording themselves asking questions or reading anything?

>>33680184
True

Where do I even fucking go to meet women.
My area is notoriously shit for singles, I don't drink but even if I did going up to women in a bar by myself seems like a really retarded idea.

>>33681958
>My area is notoriously shit for singles
>What do I do guys
err I don't know? fucking move???

>>33682028
Sure you fucking retard I'll just quit my job on a whim and just go move to some random fucking place for a chance at getting pussy.
Fucking dumb nigger

>>33682061
fine, stay and die alone

>>33681958
You could just look for other areas to visit during outings, if you're close enough

>>33680066
I sent her a message at 12:20am before I went to sleep and now its 1PM the next day and she hasn't replied, how over is it?

>>33682541
if the other guys she's dating/talking to fuck up somehow, she may contact you again

>>33682561
I fucked up by saying "If you're down I'd love to go to the Korean restaurant with you next week" instead of saying I'd love to take you to the Korean restaurant.

Also Is 12 hours really that bad? She's probably just busy right? Right? (cope)

>>33682582
Assume any girl you met on an app has several other matches that she's managing. You're just one of a handful of other options she's cycling through. If she agrees to meet up again its a good sign that you haven't been eliminated from her list but she's still evaluating other matches.
And in before you go blackpill/doomer, you would be doing thr same thing if you have multiple matches at the same time.

>>33682619
Better yet, just don't use dating apps

Is the fact that I'm waiting until marriage for sex driving women away?
I thought women hated guys who only wanted sex?

>>33657144 (OP)
Why, by Satan's left nut, do we need a thread for this?

>rate yourself
>find cute girl with the same rating as you
>talk to girl like a normal, friendly person
>ask for number because you think she is cute
>Yes? Well done, anon. Take her out somewhere fun
>No? Move on to next girl and repeat

>>33683106
not using is shooting yourself in the foot nowadays. especially if you're somewhat good looking

>>33683224
Same for not having social media like Instagram Twitter, or TikTok? I guess you do need to update them with something interesting or anything.

>>33683200
The hard part is where you find these girls, especially in a small city.

>>33683301
Only insta

>>33657144 (OP)
Anyone here use dating apps? I've thought about using one for a while now.
I've never been in a relationship before, but I've also never tried or sought one out.
But after recent events, I've really started thinking that maybe there's more to life than my career?
I know being a male on dating apps is typically much harder since there are more men than women.
I'm not in a supermassive city like LA or anything like that. 200k population I believe.
If you've used a dating app before, how'd it go? Actually land a good relationship on it?

Also real talk are relationships worth it? Dating has always been a commitment I didn't want to make.
But I'm late 20's now. Maybe just trying it is worth it? Just looking for advice.

>>33683145
A lot of women are driven away by an overabundance of thirstiness/horniness, but I think everyone (but especially women) enjoys sexual tension.

I think that's also a bit of a rare requirement/preference. A normie sees it, realizes it's a very serious requirement, realizes that they aren't committed to waiting until marriage, so they think that you probably want someone who also has this (assumed) hard requirement, and instantly swipes left. And only like 1% of the population shares this same requirement as you. Even less if we're speaking ages 18-30.

>>33684416
Hit and miss. I've been on them and had a few dates, but it's honestly seeming more and more like a waste of time.
I'm in a small shithole town so that may be the reason why.

>>33657528
There’s nothing wrong with being boring. I love being the opposite of what women find attractive. I wear that shit like a badge of honor and nothing makes her cunt wet like a man who doesn’t care. Learn to stop caring. Women don’t care for anything other than their own banal existence. It’s not like she’s living a more exciting life than you only that you are too much of an open book. A highly attractive man doesn’t need to try to make women laugh or be interesting. A man like this ignores women altogether and that’s what gets him laid.

>not even 1.8m height
what's the point

So is it actually possible for me as 25 year old guy who just started working in retail not too long ago to get a gf or am I going to need a job before I become an eligible bachelor?
I feel like it's probably not possible because women generally date up or across and there are more and more women graduating from college or university than men these days.

>>33685012
I am not highly attractive, though. I'm highly unattractive. I need every advantage possible.

>>33685026
I'd just fudge my numbers by an inch or use thick shoes.

>>33657144 (OP)
This is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Wow!

>>33685026
>over 1.8m but under 6'0
if only I'd been born in Europe instead.
(I'd also still have my foreskin)

>>33685026
Women who say they like tall guys don't care about your actual height. They just want you to be taller than them

>>33657144 (OP)
>always had gay men, and closeted bis find me attractive
>used to have a decent pool of women attracted to me too though
>now it's just gays hitting me up
fucking hell man, we need to respec

i should have danced with her saturday night she was literally right up next to me begging me too
why am i such a pussy
we even fucking ended up going and getting taco bell later after bar time
also why the fuck was she asking about the last girl i know i told her about

>>33685773
Tried and tested. Just don't put your height on your dating app profile and you'll be good

>>33684416
They are terrible if you're looking for commitment. But since you seem to have your reservations about relationships, you will fit in just fine.

This thread is...fascinating. Can't tell if the advice here is genuine or pure trolling

> meeting a childhood friend tonight
> always had a flirty relationship
> pretty sure she had a thing for me on multiple occasions
> have been meeting semi regularly over the past weeks
>always a really good time with us both laughing and flirting
> she also mentioned how her sex life has basically been none existent for the past months.

She is coming over tonight and we are thinking about making food and then just chilling, maybe watching a movie or something.
How do I at least get to first base today? I just really do not want to take a wrong step and then ruin the friendship or get ridiculed in the friendgroup, I have known this girl since 1. Grade after all

>>33686217
are you a virgin?
do you want a relationship out of this girl?
or just want to fuck her?

>How do I at least get to first base today?
just go for a kiss while making food together, make a move
women tend to forgive if they don't like it, they hate men who don't take chances

>>33686217
if you've known eachother for that long it won't ruin the friendship
if you make a move and get shot down just don't make a big deal out of it

>>33686317
Not a virgin, moving away in a few month so really just looking for a fwb situation
>>33686323
So just shoot for it. Well then lets see how it goes

>>33685899
At this point just find a twink and be done with it. (Be sure to say no homo or you'll be a fag too)
You cannot deny your fate, Anon.

>>33686217
The typical method for escalating is to progressively increase physical contact over a short period of time
>sit close while on the couch
>shoulders and thighs are in contact
>she leans on you to start cuddling, you put your arm around her (in either order)
>being your face close to her
>smooch
Wa la

>>33686698
>being
Bring*

Also you could just go straight in for a kiss like >>33686317 said, but you need to read her body language to find a moment that doesnt require forcing it

>>33685089
25 is still pretty young. Most women don't start caring about guys having jobs until after she turns 30. You'd be surprised at how many jobless men there are just out there casually fucking or in long term relationships with women. Guys overcomplicate these things. Yes a small number of women engage in hypergamy but not all, and especially not women in the 18-29 year old age range. You could still be living with parents and they don't care, as long as you have adequate privacy and clean bed and room. You've got a job so that's enough to take them out or get a hotel room. Also, in my experience, those highly educated and successful women actually don't care about money and status of their spouses as much as people claim, the issue is that 90% of guys are lazy at home and sometimes life. No cleaning, no cooking, no home repairs, no car repairs, they're scared of bugs or spiders or mice too so the women can't even rely on you to fucking kill pests. Guys will lay around and watch sports or play games, hardly shower, don't do laundry, won't work out, don't smell nice, don't look nice. Rarely engaging in or bringing culture to the home, so no good music, movies, plays, concerts, food, news, art, decor, plants, candles, tasteful furniture, invites to events or parties. Nothing but FIFA and spending money on uber eats, gambling, gacha games, and onlyfans. You can be a broke writer that has only sold a hundred copies of your book, your lawyer gf or wife won't care as long as you're still getting articles published somewhere and you're not a slob of a man. You can work retail, your tenured PhD gf or wife won't care as long as you've got plans to open your own clothing shop or hardware store, or restaurant or gas stations, or whatever, as long as you're not playing FIFA or NBA2k all day and the house, and yard, and cars haven't fallen into disrepair.

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>>33675510
Good call, she hit me back to hang out tonight.

But damn 5 days is annoying long to get back to me. I cut off my roster for this girl, but if this is how things are going I'm gonna open my options again.

>>33686800
well said

What are some cheap date ideas? I dont want to get drink s every time because it's bad for my gains. I dont wanna spends because I'm not going to commit.

How do you text women in ways that keep them interested? I hear to keep it to short, single texts but I feel there's more to it than that

IRL you just have to match their timing, be charming, funny, and assertive with the way you move about. Also present decently. Easy enough. Texting feels like I'm going off on a limb here

>>33687079
I shouldn't have to explain why coffee is the default option for cheap and casual dates

Someone bake

What do you say to a woman when you want to ask her out? What do you say when approaching her?

>>33687079
Since you mention gains, I assume you go to the gym, so why not take her to the gym?

I hate this, I'm anxious as fuck because I didn't get a chance to talk to a girl.
Now I can't get it out of my mind while I still have a week before I get another opportunity.

>>33686800
Aren't there multiple studies showing that women are more likely to date up or across and tend to find financially underachieving men unattractive, while they find men who make more money than average and have a higher status more attractive?

I don't even know where to start with trying to get a girlfriend. I used to have obesity and had no friends or bitches during my teenage and college years but I recently got into shape at 23 and feel like I should give it a shot. But I have trouble talking to and connecting with young girls. I tried rizzing up this chinese girl because I thought they were supposed to be easy when you're white but she seemed horrified when I asked if she wanted to do something and seemed to prefer the company of jeets.

>>33687623
I think it's clear it's an attitude problem.

>>33687619
Again they make up a small number of women with those type A personality traits. Women don't care that much about their husbands being some weird CEO, they mostly care about attention and being desired, support, and how comfortable and safe you make them feel. So you can get an educated and successful woman as a guy that makes 30k or 40k a year as long as you're not a selfish dumbass. When they start to think that they are filling in for your mother is when their pussy shrivels up and the love dies, then they leave (or start the process of leaving) because it's easier and less stressful to live alone, and then they start looking at their male colleagues.

>>33687079
Walk in the park or a trip to any museum that’s free entry. Being cheap might filter the high maintenance women who demand princess treatment. If she likes you she won’t mind that you didn’t spend anything on the date.

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>>33687623
>I tried rizzing up this chinese girl because I thought they were supposed to be easy when you're white
When you're in an Asian country and are the only white guy around, yes