Thread 938583132

and someone brought proof

leaked studies are

https://archive.org/details/collapsing-now-300-documents-theory

or if you're lazy, just the text

https://johnnysilverhands.substack.com/p/collapsing-now-gone-in-2030

>>938583132 (OP)
You're just another libshit trying to take money from good hardworking Americans and funnel it into troon groomer programs.

>>938583235
>troon groomer programs.
That's a terrible thing to say about the Trump administration

>>938583132 (OP)
We are indeed fucked. Kill your local politicians.

>>938583132 (OP)
I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.

>>938583132 (OP)
Yeah check out the news stories from the 80's saying the same shit, and Florida was supposed to be underwater 20 years ago. Idiot automaton lefties. Total atmospheric CO2 went from .04% to GASSSSSP .05%.

EEEEEEEEEK!!!!

>>938586153
nothing you said is true or factual.

what will soon follow are serious consequences in the worlds oceans.
sargassum probably is one example, perhaps a possible overkill.
sea surface temperatures and precipitation levels will fuck us hard.

Remember to go out and vote with your bullets. That's the only way we survive this.

good thread.
ill give like and subscribe

the jews did this

>>938583132 (OP)
well see thats why we defund all the programs so the testings stop
if we dont test we cant report on numbers getting worse
and if there are no reports of numbers getting worse then that means we fixed the problem otherwise they'd report the numbers, ya kno'

>>938587599
Africa farted at the US

>>938583235
>>938586153

>Angry incel noises

The first major climate crisis is going to happen within the next 10 years. Parts of India are already reaching the threshold for human habitability and people aren't going to sit around waiting to bake to death.
Millions of Indians and Pakistani are going to flood the borders of Europe. It's going to be the largest migration since the potato famine in 1845 and it's going to reshape the political and cultural environment of Europe. On a the plus side, the British are finally going to figure out how to use those spices they conquered nations for.

>>938591374
>jewish humor

>>938583132 (OP)
Oh great, a bunch of models predicting doom when absolutely nothing is happening in the real world.

>>938586301
You sir, are dumb as fuck. Have climatards ever said anything factual? No.

>>938586796
>>938587294
>>938587374
>>938587440
>>938587599
>>938590573
>check out my playstation simulations guize!

>>938593939
>within the next 10 years
I'm almost 50 and I've been hearing that my whole life, except it was frozen Earf when I was a kid. It's always 10, never 9.

>>938593939
>Parts of India are already reaching the threshold for human habitability
Which parts?
>Millions of Indians and Pakistani are going to flood the borders of Europe
You reading an old newspaper or something?

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>>938596751
>Which parts?
Take your pick
>You reading an old newspaper or something?
Oh those are just the ones who have seen the writing on the wall. The rest will be coming shortly.

>>938596717
Yeah the old global cooling headlines. I was around for that too. The difference is that those predictions were media exaggerations, not a scientific consensus. Now with decades of data were starting to see reality line up with the predictions. Places in Asia and the middle east are reaching temps where humans physically can not survive outside.

>>938596717

WTF... theres bigger questions here than climate change. The real question is why is a 50 year old on a internet anon board thats geared towards < 30 year olds.

LOL LOL

you really havent made it to the top of the food chain have you? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Do you even have a wife or kids? I mean fuck bro.

If I was still visiting /b/ at 50, please shoot me. It would be a huge sign my life is absolute shit LLOL

>>938583132 (OP)
>>NASA


lol

>>938598225
You just listed some hot places. This doesn't say anything.

>>938598476
>scientific consensus
No such thing.
>those predictions were media exaggerations
Same with the current warming predictions. You'd think one of them would come true by now, just by chance.
>with decades of data
You mean models? The instrumental data shown slight cooling for the last 25 years,

>>938583132 (OP)
>NASA
You mean NOAA models recycled.
>leaked studies
kek, leaked...

>>938598548
Calm down lil faggot. Just cause you get older doesn't mean you don't get bored while pirating movies. And yeah, I'm married, own a house outright, and am a grandfather. I was married and bought a house well before 30. You?

>>938583132 (OP)
Humans love doomcrying. You remind me of the Christians always predicting the end of the world. Go back in history and civilizations are constantly finding reasons that it is the end of times. It's lame and I no longer buy into it and I hate people like you for demoralizing the general populace.
Ultimately I think this is just an exhaust valve for the pressure of living in cities. Humans aren't built for this tension.

>>938583132 (OP)
More religious filth.

>>938598838
>You just listed some hot places. This doesn't say anything.

Sorry I didn't dumb it down enough for you. I overestimated your reading comprehension.

>>938599207
>Death Valley
>Phoenix Arizona
>Las Vegas
>OMG, that means the US is on fire!
I mean, you could do this with any number of places, but it doesn't mean they're getting hotter for no reason.

>>938599047
LOL LOL no one believes that LOL LOL...
Man if thats true I bet your, your whole family is as fat as this fucker LOL LOL

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL disgusting.

>>938598935
Never A Straight Answer.

Cuz they're gay.

>>938599248
None of those places are the hottest in the US. Your dumb ass has never heard of wet bulb temperatures, have you?

>>938598225
I'm not seeing a pattern.

>>938598548
you're in your early 60s, lolvis

>>938599328
>Death Valley isn't the hottest place in the US
Let's say it isn't. And let's say it hit a record of 150° 53 years ago. You saying "Death Valley can hit 150°" doesn't tell us anything other than it's hot there. You said "reaching the threshold" but you show no historical data to show that it's increasing. Looking at this >>938599338, I don't see a trend. That pic comes from https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rajasthan-city-simmers-at-50-c-as-heatwave-grips-western-state-101716663542233.html. In the text they explain that El Nino runs their temps, which has zero correlation to climate change.

>The year 2016 was when the last phase of the El Nino weather patten waned, after it set in 2014. El Nino is usually characterised by a warming of waters in the Pacific Ocean. In India, this leads to the monsoon being drier than usual.

>>938599394
>lolvis

>>938598891
>No such thing.
Ahh classic climate denial talking point. 97% of active climate scientists agree that human behavior is driving warming.
>The instrumental data shown slight cooling for the last 25 years,
This is cherry picking or just outright misinformation. It's on par with saying that you're financially stable because your bank account goes up every payday right before you start overdrafting.

>>938599504
>97% of active climate scientists
You know that's only 64, right? The Cook study whittled 11,000 papers down to 65 papers and only found that 97% had an opinion that AGW was real, but no proof.
And no, a consensus isn't scientific.
>This is cherry picking or just outright misinformation
No, you're just used to seeing models instead of the actual data.

>>938599598
Here's the UAH satellites.

>>938586301
the decades of fearmongering with sensational expectations/timelines is true
but that has more to do with the politicians than the scientists

>>938583132 (OP)
it doesn't matter
the developing world isn't going to stop using polluting energy sources any time soon, and there's nothing anyone can do about it
the Earth has been warmer than it is now, including during times when humans existed
people adapted, and we'll adapt again
undoubtedly, there will be great suffering and death if Greta's apocalyptic fantasies come true, but there's absolutely nothing we can do about it, so relax

>>938599458
Lurkmoar

>>938600003
Everyone seems to ignore that it's the InterGOVERNMENTal Panel on Climate Change. There aren't even scientists on the panel, just academics and politicians.

>>938583132 (OP)
>>938586796
>>938587294
>>938587374
So long, Gay Bowsers

>>938599598
You're twisting the methodology of cook to make it seem like it was only 65. It was 97% of the 12,000 pages. Cook wasn't the only study and other independent studies come to a consensus rate of 97-99%
You're cherry picking with UAH satellite data because its the only one that shows SLIGHT warming instead of dramatic warming.
RSS, NOAA, NASSA and JMA shown that the planet is heating up.
All of this is just arguing against climate change denial 101. Let me guess, next you’ll say it’s just the sun, or that CO2 is plant food, or that all the scientists in the world are faking data for grant money. It’s like bingo at this point."

>>938596751
>he thinks it's bad now
psssh nothing personnel, kid

>>938600366
>It was 97% of the 12,000 pages
Nope. Cook's 97% were 64 papers.
>Cook wasn't the only study
I know, but they weren't as popular and they all played games to get the results they wanted. The real number is like .6%, not that a consensus means anything.
>RSS, NOAA, NASSA and JMA shown that the planet is heating up
ONly on their model side. They have a data side that shows no warming.

You can see for yourself here:
http://climod2.nrcc.cornell.edu/
This is NOAA V4. They deleted everything previous when they got caught in the Climategates, but it's the best we have. Try Seasonal Ranking, pic your metric, and pick a spot that has reliable data.

Or... you could just show evidence without using models. No one else has. No data, no experiments, no formula, no observations, nothing. It's 100% media hype.

>>938600366
Here's another fun fact you probably believe.
Remember Al Goracle's hockey stick? Did you know it's upside down?

>>938600836
PNAS even called him out on it, but noting changed. The consensus cult still pushes it.

>>938600545
>Cook's 97% were 64 papers.
I messed up while texting it out. It was 97% of the 4,000 papers that express a position on human caused warming. The 65 pages you talk about were part of a subset that specifically quantified the involvement of humans. But 65 makes the cook study seem insignificant so thats what the climate denial blogs go with.

You keep saying there is no data. Measurements are data. Infrared absorption spectra of CO2 is data. Surface thermometers are data. Ocean buoys are data. Glacial retreat is data. Satellite altimetry of sea level is data.
No 'climategate' investigation found any data manipulation my guy, and its not all media hype.

The largest thing that you are ignoring is that EVERY major scientific body on earth recognizes the warming trend.

>>938600366
BTW, here's JMA's data. Throw this in an Excel chart and find the totally-getting-warmer-trust-me-bro.
https://www.data.jma.go.jp/stats/etrn/view/monthly_s3_en.php?block_no=47662&view=2

>>938601138
>I messed up while texting it out
Don't care. Opinions mean nothing and this is getting in the weeds.
>Measurements are data
They are, but you're not looking at those. Go ahead, post a warming graph that isn't built on a model.
>No 'climategate' investigation found any data manipulation
No fucking way you believe this. "Hide the blip" never happened? They fucking admitted it!

Hey, just show some proof. You can say I'm ignoring this and that all day but you don't have anything to back it up.

>>938600836
Lol bullshit tree ring data. The only thing upside down is your understanding of the science. All independence reconstructions since have shown the same hockey stick shape. Its almost like the data is real.

>>938583132 (OP)
i think it's a good thing you linked that to me because i'm only now getting around to read it
now i need the second part of that
also this sounds like something from a hollywood blockbuster

>>938601326
>the same hockey stick shape
The upside down one? What about the Vostok cores showing that CO2 follows temps? Also real data.

>>938583132 (OP)
>effective radiative forcing change
They still haven't found this. That one clown had to "simulate a CO2 signal" and then claimed that he measured the forcing.

>>938601296
>post a warming graph that isn't built on a model.
Here ya go. GISTEMP air surface measurements since the 1880s.
I know it's just over the continental US, but I belive raw data in other parts of the world would show the same pattern.

>>938601620
GISTEMP is a model

>>938583132 (OP)
Hope so. The elites are working so hard to be stuck here, and I wanna watch the world just keep getting hotter.

>>938586153
Finally --some honesty about how Greta really does trigger you hard fat ass lololol

lololol

>>938600123
You would explain even more but this is probably the full extent of your knowledge isn't it.

>>938600003
The problem is that you (and the press) always looked at worst-case scenarios rather than most-likely outcomes. Worst case scenarios haven't come about but most-likely stuff largely did, and turned out to be conservative if anything. Shit is actually looking quite fucked, and the situation is so hard to do anything about that we're just kind of going to do nothing.

>>938583235
can't wait until soaring wet bulb temps cause a regional mass death. they'll probably still blame libturds or something.

>>938598476
Look, if one source tells you the wrong thing you can't trust any source. That's just logic.

>>938605965
He's such a goddamn retard you kind of have to love it.

>>938586153
nigger who the fuck told you Florida was supposed to be underwater 20 years ago

>>938598476
>not a scientific consensus.
That's a slogan. Not an argument. Take a rake, insert it into your anus.

>>938599504
>Ahh classic climate denial talking point.
If they talk about it all the time then they have more scientific literacy than you do.

>97% of active climate scientists agree that human behavior is driving warming.
And it's 100% irrelevant. Even if 100% of them agreed, it'd still be 100% irrelevant.

You don't seem to understand that the ENTIRETY of the field of climatology can be chalked up to a bunch of hypotheses at best. You still need to, somehow, build a cosmic sized lab, have an Earth 2 within it, and have the terraforming controls to show precisely what happens when physics is applied IRL to vindicate any given hypothesis as a cause and effect truth.

>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2000
>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2005
>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2015
>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2020
>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2025
>THE POLAR ICE CAPS WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN 2030 YOU NEED TO BELEEBE US DISS TIME NO SRSLY SEND MORE MONEY TO KIKE SOLAR THAT CAN NEVER REPLACE TRADITIONAL POWER BECAUSE OF ITS INHERENT INABILITY TO PRODUCE POWER WHEN WE MOST NEED IT, AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR VAST BATTERY ARRAYS THAT POLLUTE 1000X MORE THAN THEIR WEIGHT IN CRUDE OIL AND HAVE A SERVICE LIFESPAN OF 20 YEARS. THIS IS LITERALLY INFINITE MONEY FOR THE GLOBO BATTERY KIKE EMPIRE. 6000000000 JEWS DIED IN THE HOLOCAUST THEY DESERVE THIS WIN!

>>938604810
>GISTEMP is a model

No it isn't you absolute fucking phoney.
It's data driven and does not simulate climate systems like a model does. It uses collected data to estimate surface temperature.

>>938583132 (OP)

In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill... The real enemy then is humanity itself.”

The Club of Rome's 1991 report, "The First Global Revolution"

>>938606452
You're crashing. 100% consensus among experts means nothing, the whole field is illegitimate because there is only one earth to observe.
You're just sucking down that fossil fuel industry propaganda like it's going to pay for your house when it gets burned down in a climate change driven wildfire.

>>938583132 (OP)
Club of Rome, eh? More like Club of jews.

>>938583132 (OP)
Climate change is an actual scam.

>>938586796
>the world will end because it got slightly hotter even though it was hotter in the geologically recent past and that was fine

>>938606853
Wildfires are natural and most of the planet almost never has them; they only really happen in certain ecoclimates.

That's great and all, but Epstein didn't kill himself. Release the Epstein files you orange faggot.

>>938598891
there is consensus since around 1972, reality-denying faggot.
picrelated is from the exxon science team from 1977.
we really can discuss a lot on this topic but being retarded or buying lies doesnt help with that

>>938607875
its just little more water, dont be so picky. just forget the dead people and now build your city somewhere else.

>>938610245
Cool story bro. Now do the same but for the big picture. Correlation =/= causation.

CO2 has close to fuck all to do with Earths temperatures. Its not even a warm blanket, more like a thin bedsheet.

>>938610245
>reality-denying faggot
LoL.

CO2 absorbs 2 specific wavelengths of infrared light, and at just 400ppm of CO2, 70% of those wavelengths gets absorbed and temporarily is held by the atmosphere as heat until it works it way out into space just like the rest of the heat in the atmosphere.

So adding more CO2 has a diminishing effect. Meaning you might get 1 to 1.5 more degrees of warming, tops before adding more CO2 does next to nothing or nothing at all.

nasa is worried is basically nearly ever youtube video about space.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nasa+is+worried

NASA spells out Satan. T means t-minus.

>>938610245
Greta will never mention this as she is not a scientist and neither will your fearmongering lefty MSM.

https://michaela34.substack.com/p/the-obvious-flaws-in-agw-theory

And dont bother with any attack the source logical fallacies. Either debate what was said or fuck off. Herp derp its just a blog post is not an argument based on science. Truth is truth whether it be carved in stone or written on toilet paper.

>>938610849
>nasa is worried is basically nearly ever youtube video about space.
And there is yet another example of a logical fallacy. The appeal to emotion. NASA is worried and by extension, you should be too.

They are worried that their funding might be cut if they dont do enough fearmongering, LoL.

>>938610147
most these are made up shit but both acid rain and ozone hole were both problems so big THAT every country in the world stopped using certain chemicals

>>938610947
Thats cute. Now explain the rest of the periodic holes that have appeared in Earths ozone layer over geologic time.

Again correlation =/= causation.

>>938610947
>acid rain
Caused by CO2 in the atmosphere. Like before the Carboniferous period when atmospheric CO2 was well over 9,000ppm.

Swing and a miss. You climate screechers are a joke.

>>938610476

>>938607875
Most populous cities in the world are almost all on the coast, or inland but at low elevation. New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Londuh, where are you going to move all those people when the housing crisis is already as bad as it is? Like, chinks have a buffer with their ghost "housing as currency" cities, they can just say "your 99 year lease is void, party needs to house a gorillion people", but everyone else is fucked.

>>938611095
>Caused by CO2 in the atmosphere. Like before the Carboniferous period when atmospheric CO2 was well over 9,000ppm.
The "acid" in acid rain is sulfuric acid, retard.

>>938611215
>where are you going to move all those people when the housing crisis is already as bad as it is?
Nowhere because the worlds oceans are rising just a few millimeters every year. Which is why Porsche designed that fancy tower right on the beach in Miami and Baroque O'Bummer bought a vacation house on Martha's Vineyard just a few feet above sea level.

Dumbass.

Between 1901 and 2018, the average sea level rose by 15–25 cm (6–10 in), with an increase of 2.3 mm (0.091 in) per year since the 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

>>938611275
>The "acid" in acid rain is sulfuric acid, retard.
CO2 makes rain "acidic."

>>938611304
Florida will cease to exist by 2060 (good riddance).

i can't take seriously any climate alarmist who advocates for more food aid so humans can continue breeding out of control

>>938611339
Cool story bro. Is that why everyone is fleeing their blue state nightmares and moving to red states? Because red states just suck so hard that everyone is dying to get there?

>>938611335
Yes, but that's not what people mean when they talk about acid rain.

>>938611379
No, it really isnt. Rain is acidic. Always was.

>>938611438
It really is, you're just retarded. Acid rain is when the pH is <5, not when it's 6.9.

>>938611374
>red vs blue bullshit
Moving to Oklahoma makes sense. Moving to Florida was always a stupid idea, and with its inevitable sinking, more stupid now than ever.

>>938611476
>with its inevitable sinking
Fiction. Florida as a whole is not sinking despite a few buildings sinking due to the weight. Same with NYC. There are building sinking in NY too, but you didnt attack a blue state, LoL!!

I live in Maryland and there is a shopping mall nearby that has sunk several inches in the last few decades. WE'RE ALL DOOMED! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

>>938611476
Misinformation.

"Yes, some parts of Florida are experiencing sinking, a process known as subsidence, while at the same time, the sea level is rising. This combination of sinking land and rising sea levels is leading to increased flooding and coastal erosion in the state.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Subsidence:
Some areas of Florida, particularly along the coast, are sinking due to natural processes and human activities. This sinking is not uniform across the state and can vary significantly from one location to another."

>>938610476
>>938610794
>>938610871
I see, exxon scientist - thats the ones working for huge global oil production company, you know making shitloads of money and lobbying and such.
the results were kept under wraps but had to be published after the grace period expired.
and out of some magical coincidence they found the very same progress BUT IT CANT BE REAL!!!!!11314254253643z6

you are retarded.
I mean that in the real world meaning.
you can tell me about your ms paint graphs and your media bubble all you want but if you insist on nothing is happening and that this would not have aroused suspicion, you are mentally very limited.

the best argument is that climatologists are only interested in maintaining their fundings.
just look at how much money is made from fossil fuels each fucking day.
if you compare the turnover from oil and gas with the turnover from scientific reports, where would that even be? If you dont use a logarithmic diagram, the figures probably cant even be plotted together.

the conspiratorial evil scientists and the friendly and law-abiding billionaires who have never spent a dollar to influence public opinion.

>>938611620
>I see, exxon scientist - thats the ones working for huge global oil production company, you know making shitloads of money and lobbying and such.
Cool story bro. As if Chinese money isnt pouring into the US to weaken US manufacturing while they burn coal like its going out of style, all while selling cheap batteries and solar panels.

Keep drinking the green energy kool-aid, kid.

>>938611620
>you can tell me about your ms paint graphs and your media bubble all you want but if you insist on nothing is happening and that this would not have aroused suspicion, you are mentally very limited.
Nice ad hominems. Your comment was peppered with logical fallacies but somehow I'M the one who's mentally limited.

>>938611675
and you cant even write a simple coherent response.
perhaps you are unable to comprehend the text, or perhaps you are doing this intentionally.
without a doubt, you have not been sufficiently endowed by nature with the mental capacity to answer such questions.
and that is more ok than you think.
just dont try to have your own opinions on such topics, ask smart people in your environment or fam.
helps you not looking like a retard.
just saying.

>>938611727
samefag go home.

LoL we've been lying to you for decades but NOW we're serious. As we fly around the world in our private jets and eat waygu steak you will eat ze bugs and live in ze pod. LMAO!!!!

>>938611794
>just dont try to have your own opinions on such topics
Nice hand waving. You have zero arguments, you cannot debate using facts and logic and every chart and graph you dont like is hurr durr MS paint.

No point engaging further with a child such as yourself. Now pat yourself on the head and pretend you've won something. Adios.

>>938611804
LoL this bitch made faggot (yes thats an ad hominem, kids) is complaining that I've made more than one comment in a thread.

File a complaint. No one is buying your climate hysteria aside from a few far left blue haired gay homosexuals.

hey grok which country harbors the most convicted American sex offenders?

>>938612387
Trying too hard bruh. Even the dipshits who share your opinion think so.

>>938612441
Whatever you say there, Mr 1up. Anything to feel like you've won something.

>>938613167
I still find it extremely amusing that there are people who actually believe mammals could dominate this planet at +8°C.

>>938613152
>>938613167
>you can tell me about your ms paint graphs and your media bubble all you want but if you insist on nothing is happening and that this would not have aroused suspicion, you are mentally very limited. :)

tourette posting is hell of an illness.

Dont you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?

>>938583132 (OP)
nothingburger

>>938586153
This. OP is a faggot and should kill they/themselves.

>>938583132 (OP)
Take a shotgun and paint the walls red OP.

>>938613406
Carrot top?

>>938583235
Behold the right

>climate scaring people for the last 50+ years
>people
>wait
>always only ever 1st world
>tells them to have less kids, use less
>imports new people into the countries having less kids, thus negating the conservation done
>third world countries have zero standards for environmentalism
>this is okay though

>>938615131
Even better
>First world countries allegedly have higher emissions per capita
>Import a billion third worlders
>Emissions go up
Somehow this isn’t a problem for any climate activists though… really makes ya thunk.

>>938615131
i really dislike the 'all ai will take over' narrative.

>>938615131
>always only ever 1st world
>third world countries have zero standards for environmentalism
lies ans bullshit is all you ever got, faggot.

>>938616362
true, I suppose dumping your trash in the river is pretty good afterall, Ranjesh

>>938616362
>SAAAR! SAAAR!!!!
>Poops on the street.
Kill yourself turd worlder.

>the entire world only ever consists of the stereotypes in my head
>those with the highest per capita consumption and wealth, have no responsibility towards the community to take action; the poorest and most disadvantaged worldwide should somehow make the start

>>938583132 (OP)
yes, you can't print that much money and walk away from it like nothing happened

>>938616573
>I cannot comprehend the fact that the vast majority of pollution is created by corporations
>I cannot comprehend that the reason these corporations outsource is not only so they can pay less, but because they are also free to abuse the lax environmental policies

like I said, hell of an illness.

>>938610147
Acid rain does kill lakes you fucking retard.
Mass species die offs - are kinda hard to ignore globally.

Do you work for Du Pont or OPEC at this point??

You guys keep on denying, I'll keep investing in water-related companies.

>>938613231
Why must mammals dominate the planet?

Is it not happening, or are our attempts at fighting it ineffective due to not being holistic enough? I noticed a sudden shift in argumentation.

Climate change is a huge problem, and so is mass immigration.

I used to be pessimistic about climate change and there is still lots of chemical contamination to worry about but I think there are some promising interventions under development in universities.
This is a decent documentary with some preventative measures, ranging from effective to overkill. Worth a watch if you are worried about all of this.
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:78fe4f41d758dc7efe7a1e6046fb99c1525f3e8e&dn=four.corners.s65e11.can.climate.scientists.save.the.world.1080p.hdtv.h264-cbfm%5BEZTVx.to%5D.mkv%5Beztvx.to%5D&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.com%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce

I kind of hope there is a runaway greenhouse effect and the resulting climate change wipes out most of life on Earth. Another great reset, so that something new can be born and inherit the Earth. I think the evolution of humanity took a wrong turn somewhere.

>>938619826
>wipes out most of life on Earth
taking out most humans would suffice tbqh

>>938619826
Climate change will never wipe out humanity. Some people in some corner will survive, eating mushrooms or bugs or something. It would still be something of a reset, culturally, technologically, demographically and infrastructurally. But the next thing would be humans again.

>>938606748
>GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP v4)
Yeah, it's a fuckig model, and one of the more adjusted ones.

>>938606253
Haha, what the fuck is that, sea lever for the whole planet? That's not how it works.
https://psmsl.org/data/obtaining/map.html

They've been saying Florida's going to disappear for a while now.
https://youtu.be/JHD_7urJLvM
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/26/rising-seas-florida-climate-change-elizabeth-rush
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html

>>938591374
>cant respond with anything of value
>spouts a tired meme

just say you dont know what to respond with

>>938610245
Holy shit, we should be around 800 ppm now, yes?

guys its fine

i used a paper straw

>>938611620
Who the fuck do you think is behind the Green grift? It's the oil Jews. Every oil company is pushing more solar and more wind. Why? Because it sucks and you need to fill in the gaps with more gas fired peaker plants. They win on both sides. The fucking Kock brothers are the ones selling the world the materials to build PV panels.

>>938599443
>Hindustan times
your argument is irrelevant

>>938610794
We're not even sure that CO2 level have increased and it looks like they may always have been about the same as today, at least for the last couple hundred years. The whole "preindustrial" thing was invented by Callendar cherrypicking values.

>>938611304
>the worlds oceans are rising just a few millimeters every year
This is bullshit. This is the problem with climatecocks using averages to try to scare you, and you're to blame for believing averages.
The planet is a sloshy place. It's not a calm bathtub, where all sides rise at once.
See https://psmsl.org/data/obtaining/map
It's rising in LA, but head up north and it's falling. The level around entire Pacific Rim, from NorCal to Japan, is actually falling. You can also look into the station history and see how messy measuring the ocean is. Coastlines are growing, land is moving, continents shift, land subsides, places like SF are sinking because they're built on landfills, etc. It's not something you can really measure.

>>938611335
>CO2 makes rain "acidic."
That doesn't mean it's strong, and certainly not enough to affect the already wildly variable acidity of the oceans.

>>938622870
you are retarded af.
and we have a perfect measurement to show that co2 in atmosphere must (must!) be from oil and gas.
and we have literally billions of independend measurements that show co2 and temperature is connected.
billions, not millions.
measurements are values, not opinions.
when you have a wooden board and measure its length, its wont grow or shrink.
thats what a measurement is.
you can discuss reasons for it.
if you discuss a numbers that could be replicated billions of times, you are retarded.
that is not an insult, its a finding.

there is no room for interpretation but the amount of ms paint graphs you saved proves me wrong, right?

>>938613152
Lol what the fuck is this? Looks like something out of a modern Common Core math book. What the hell is a Hothouse Earth?

the truly sad thing is that no matter how many charts you post showing that this horror is actually coming to pass, you'll still get sneering chuds in here who claim its fake for literally no good reason.

the best thing we could do to solve the climate crisis would be to euthanize all chuds

>>938613167
And RCP has been shown to be nowhere near accurate for any prediction, future, past, or present. And then it says HadCrut4 down there. Why is it showing a model?

>>938623458
IF GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL WHY IS IT GETTING COLDER IN THE PLACE I, THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE UNIVERSE, LIVE

>>938623434
>What the hell is a Hothouse Earth?
google it idiot

>>938623502
>RCP has been shown to be nowhere near accurate for any prediction, future, past, or present
completely wrong

>>938623537
if you're not algotrading, filthy rich and dabbling in demonic magic you're not the main character

hey climate deniers:

did you know that scientists do not profit from doing research that shows that humans are causing climate change?

however, the fossil fuel industry, which has been pumping propaganda at you through various channels, makes biollions selling you shit that ruins our planet.

follow the money. always follow the money.

>>938623610
chuds don't know how to google

no matter how much you deny it, this is happening

>>938623422
>and we have a perfect measurement to show that co2 in atmosphere must (must!) be from oil and gas.
We really don't know.
>we have literally billions of independend measurements
Yeah but most of them are proxies, which show change, not total concentration. I can't find your CSIRO article, but if you found it you'd see it's "derived from [something]". No one was measuring CO2 back in the year 1000.
>that show co2 and temperature is connected
Not a single person on this planet has ever done this. No observations, no measurement, no experiment, no formula, nothing.

>>938623643
always. the money says kill 7 billion humans, i say yes master :3

>>938623643
How did Al Gore get so damn rich is what i'm still trying to figure out

>>938623610
>google it idiot
No, I mean what the fuck is it? Google gives me a bunch of fairytales about "self-reinforcing feedback loops". We don't even have evidence of the greenhouse effect.
>completely wrong
Dude, they haven't. They're just scenarios that government nerds think will happen because their thumb-on-the-scale models predict doom. They can't even predict the past and have been wrong 100% of the time. The "pause" started around 2000 and totally wrecked their shit. They had to "reanalyze" and make up shit like "see, our efforts are making a difference" even though CO2 still increased.

>>938623910
Lol what a fucking retard.

>>938623910
>We don't even have evidence of the greenhouse effect.

>>938623856
probably being a representative, a senator or probably because his father also was a senator.
or because he was in harvard and studied.
but sure, he must have made all his money with climate change.

how many scientists and how many oil company owners own a sports car or secondary residence?
I have no idea how many scientists drive a porsch or ferrari, while never have seen a single one but Im sure it will get pretty difficult to name just onw oil company owner that doesnt.

>>938623856
wrote a book, made a movie. all ex-presidents and veeps cash in on their fame after office. go find me one that isn't rich.

>>938623910
man this one is extra dumb

>>938623689
There isn't even a Y axis on that graph.
You're zooming in on the little tail of the bigger picture, and it's not a hockey stick like that. There is no hockey stick in the instrumental data, only models.

> Earth does it's thing and exists
> people wipe out species, mass panic
> Earth don't give a shit, roles adapt and get replaced
> polar caps melt, temp rises, mass panic
> Earth does not give a shit, roles change, animals thrive once again

People credit themsleves too much. So we might need bigger dykes over 50 years, we might not. Can we finally drop the greendeal hysteria? We might wipe out ourselves, but earth? Earth is far from fucked.

I have been hearing this shit since the 80's. that's a long ass time for 5 years till a total meltdown. Didn't the Greta Gremlin claim that the earth would have a second sinflooding by now? like 2 years ago?

>>938624057
Where is it then? They keep saying they know where to find the fingerprint, but then when they go to measure it, there's nothing. It's still a hypothesis.

>>938623910
the greenhouse effect is the reason life is possible on this planet. the problem is that we're cranking up the temperature knob by adding tons of CO2 to the atmosphere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

> The greenhouse effect occurs when heat-trapping gases in a planet's atmosphere prevent the planet from losing heat to space, raising its surface temperature. Surface heating can happen from an internal heat source (as in the case of Jupiter) or come from an external source, such as a host star. In the case of Earth, the Sun emits shortwave radiation (sunlight) that passes through greenhouse gases to heat the Earth's surface. In response, the Earth's surface emits longwave radiation that is mostly absorbed by greenhouse gases, reducing the rate at which the Earth can cool off.

Anyone who's lived through all the scare tactics throughout the years about global warming to raise money in various ways has realized by now it's the biggest grift in our lifetime.

>>938623856
All the leaders of the green cult get rich, just like the leaders of any other religion.

>>938624203

and here's the important part about human-driven climate change:

> Without the greenhouse effect, the Earth's average surface temperature would be as cold as −18 °C (−0.4 °F).[1][2] This is of course much less than the 20th century average of about 14 °C (57 °F).[3][4] In addition to naturally present greenhouse gases, burning of fossil fuels has increased amounts of carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere.[5][6] As a result, global warming of about 1.2 °C (2.2 °F) has occurred since the Industrial Revolution,[7] with the global average surface temperature increasing at a rate of 0.18 °C (0.32 °F) per decade since 1981.

you can go read the article for yourself and follow the links to the citations for more

>>938624237
how much profit did the fossil fuel industry make last year alone? how much over the decades of climate denial propaganda?

here are the exxon papers:
https://archive.org/details/ExxonClimateDocs/01_Credible%20Scientific%20Team%201978%20Letter/

these show that their internal staff scientists were warning them about climate change in 1978

news story about this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/12/1148376084/exxon-climate-predictions-were-accurate-decades-ago-still-it-sowed-doubt

>>938624110
What were those books and movies about is what I need to look into because now i'm curious

>>938624380
do you seriously not know how to use google?

>>938624203
>wikipedia
C'mon man. Have you ever read the notes behind that article? There are editors who say "we're not telling the whole picture and none of this has actually been established". Then there's a dogpile and that user gets banned. There's literally no science behind that article.

Where's the evidence? A blog doesn't tell anyone much. If CO2 traps heat, why does it get so cold within minutes of the sun setting? Why has no one come up with a formula for how much CO2 under a 100W lamp can warm 100 ml of water by 1°C?

>>938624400
Ok I just googled it and now i'm pissed off he made 300 million off this bullshit

>If climate change is real how come I can't see it

Meanwhile glaciers completely melt, forests shrink, lakes and groundwater dry up...

>>938622495
>sea level for the whole planet
It's an average, retard - and is reflected well enough in your own dataset, pic related. The planet's composition actually means that the levels tend to rise faster than average on the east coast.

> muh floriduh
nigger, I show you IPCC predictions from 1990 showing that we are damn near bang-on for what they promised, and you're shoving retarded pop-sci at me - nigger iq at its finest

>>938624515
I keep trying to tell you guys but you don't listen, always follow the money

>>938624350
Where in the Exxon papers does it say that?

>“The CO2 increase measured to date is not capable of producing an effect large enough to be distinguished from normal climate variations.”
>“A number of assumptions and uncertainties are involved in the predictions of the Greenhouse Effect. At present, meteorologists have no direct evidence that the incremental CO2 in the atmosphere comes from fossil carbon.”
>“There is considerable uncertainty regarding what controls the exchange of atmospheric CO2 with the oceans and with carbonated materials on the continents.”
>“The conclusion that fossil fuel combustion represents the sole source of incremental carbon dioxide involves assuming not only that the contributions from the biosphere and from the oceans are not changing but also that these two sources are continuing to absorb exactly the same amount as they are emitting. The World Meteorological Organization recognized the need to validate these assumptions"
>“biologists claim that part or all of the CO2 increase arises from the destruction of forests and other land biota.”
>“there will probably be no effect on the polar ice sheets.”
>“Modeling climatic effects is currently handicapped by an inability to handle all the complicated interactions which are important to predicting the climate. In existing models, important interactions are neglected.”

Where are the warnings? Can you tell me what pages?

>>938624527
ALL OF THOSE ARE PART OF NATURAL CYCLES MUH SUNSPOTS etc

>>938624408
sun go down, get cold. grug see no evidence of anthropogenic warming

>>938624154
https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/169823/1/Scotese_etal_phan_temp_AAM.pdf

its a great work, not that it covers your bullshit.
just out of curiosity, why is it that your diagramm isnt part of the work?
I mean, 126 pages, what could go wrong?
who can read so much text without his eyes hurting, right?

you can try to cheat a little, right? oh yes, you didnt cheat a little, you questioned 50-year-old measurements in order to question the little bit of truth that we try to gain from measurements.
150 years ago, you would probably have been shot for that, but hey, you reach out for those times, right?

>>938624536
>It's an average, retard
That's the problem. Averages lie when you apply them to the entire planet. Do the people maintaining the docks in Peugeot Sound raise their docs because the average is up? Or do they measure reality and lower them slightly? How much is the land shifting where they claim it's rising?
>IPCC predictions
>we are damn near bang-on for what they promised
Not even once. Severe storms are decreasing, rainfall is slightly increasing, deserts are shrinking, plant life is increasing, temps are slightly decreasing... nothing they have predicted has come true, which is why they need to put out another revision every few years, painting more doom and FUD. Just read the footnotes of their claims, things like "with low certainty" and "very unlikely". It's all guesswork at best.

>>938624657
So no evidence? You're making all thee claims that no one has ever observed. What gives you these beliefs?

>>938624938
nigga he's mocking you and your complete lack of comprehension of the physical processes involved in the climate of earth

>>938624408
this is the dumbest shit i've ever seen.

you're a climate denier and no matter how much evidence we present you, you'll still hurr durr it's fake.

>>938623112
You can measure all that shit lmao. The parts of SF that are on the landfill are sinking about 5mm a year. And the waters are rising in the bay as well, which of course makes this an even bigger problem.
Yes, water rises in some places and goes down in others, this is not some revelation.
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/9/are-sea-levels-rising-the-same-all-over-the-world-as-if-were-filling-a-giant-bathtub/

>>938624574
$300M. ok.

now tell me what the fossil fuel industry made las year?

>>938625042
retarded people always think they still troll anyone.
just look at the logfag here on /b/.
everybody makes fun of him now but he is still on his rampage, throwing more shit that an ape ever has thrown in this entire planet.

>>938625059
because its much, much easier to just deny and straight up lie than provide facts with sources

each lie and denial they post takes 10x the time to disprove, so they just flood and flood and flood to drown out reality

what do climate deniers get out of it? i truly do not understand this.

if we stop using fossil fuels and switch to other sources, how does that hurt you? yes, we need to make sure that renewables can meet the energy demand reliably, but other than that, why would you even care?

basically i'm asking why you bend over backwards to suck the oil CEOs nuts

>>938624687
Can you point me to the section you're referring to? I'm skimming through it but I see that they're using a HadCrut model, but then I see a bunch of studies showing picrel, in this case fossil records. Where's the part that explains your hockey stick?

>>938625136
"nuh uh" is the official motto and only tool of science deniers everywhere

>>938625042
>complete lack of comprehension of the physical processes involved in the climate of earth
Yeah, nobody understands that, which is why they have to make fortune-teller predictions based on flat Earth simulations.

>>938625059
>no matter how much evidence we present you
No one in this thread had presented anything more than models. No one in /any/ thread has ever presented scientific evidence. I know there's a "mountain of evidence", but you guys can never seem to find it.

>>938625191
just show me the diagram or you are a liar.
quite simple.
next time, dont copy text from other peoples thesis into your ms paint /pol/ pictures.
simple as.

>>938625241
i don't understand it, and since i'm the smartest smuggest person on earth i can conclude no one understands it

>>938583132 (OP)
I hope industrial society collapses and tall grasses and trees re-colonize the now-empty cities. We'll have a population of 500 million simple farmers and craftsmen living close to the land in balance with nature.

>>938625241
establishing a transient heat energy balance equation (or equations system) has been fully understood for 150 years, and we are familiar with all its manifestations (convection, conduction, radiation).
technically speaking, there is no difference between this and the design of a refrigerator.
apart from the fact that a simple refrigerator is certainly easier to balance/design

>>938583132 (OP)
Oh noez. Climate change. Who cares.

>>938625062
>You can measure all that shit lmao
You can, and satellites are a great help, but it's still messy. What do you measure exactly? What if the water is falling at 1 mm/year but the land is subsiding at 1.1 mm/year. Is the water rising? Do you measure the distance from orbit? Surface from the center of the planet?

And satellites have their own issues. They measure only what they're told to. A few years ago there were a lot of "OMG Antarctica lost xx Gtons of ice" headlines. It turns out the entire continent moved slightly and the satellites started measuring the water off the coast, showing no ice. They adjusted the sats and it turned out Antarctica had actually grown slightly, but everyone suddenly shut up about it.

>>938625296
Hey logfag, what diagram? Just point me to the hockey stick part of that paper.

>>938625501
liar.

>>938625295
> thinks models aren't based on science

you're hopeless, but thanks for keeping the thread bumped.

>>938625460
>It turns out the entire continent moved slightly and the satellites started measuring the water off the coast, showing no ice.

>>938625136
>because its much, much easier to just deny and straight up lie than provide facts with sources

>>938625340
We understand certain aspects of it, but we still suck at understanding all of it. We can't predict hurricanes 2 years out. We don't know if India will have a monsoon season in 2027. All we can do is look at things like ENSO (the most unpredictable oscillation on the planet) and make short-term predictions off that. We don't know how or why California will have record snowfall in 3 years from now. It's a chaotic system, there is no truly understanding it.

>>938625084
You're going to compare 1 man to an entire 32 million person industry? lololololololololol

>>938625651
we can compare him to a single oil CEO if you want. that won't work in your favor either.

>>938625411
Sure, but has anyone shown that you can apply these equations to CO2?

>>938625690
you can show that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation on a lab bench with a laser. this has been known for over 100 years.

I googled it.
>In 2022, a year of high oil prices, the five largest oil companies alone (Exxon, Chevron, BP, Shell, and Total) made around $190 billion in profits.
and we have increased oil and gas production since.
note these are estimated profits, not the turnover.

>>938625177
>basically i'm asking why you bend over backwards to suck the oil CEOs nuts

funny how the nut garglers skipped over this one

>>938625750
always follow the money

this is the same shit as the tobacco companies selling people lung cancer

>>938625460
Nobody shut up about it lmao, the gain in ice mass that we saw for a couple of years was - and still is, being talked about.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/?intent=121

And the blip seems to be over.

>>938625460
>And satellites have their own issues. They measure only what they're told to. A few years ago there were a lot of "OMG Antarctica lost xx Gtons of ice" headlines. It turns out the entire continent moved slightly and the satellites started measuring the water off the coast, showing no ice. They adjusted the sats and it turned out Antarctica had actually grown slightly, but everyone suddenly shut up about it.
It's true, Antarctica is actually moving slightly. And the best part? It's because tons of ice on the landmass melted and the lack of counterweight let's the crust move.

It'd be fucking hilarious if this wasn't so sad.

>>938625651
Ok I did the math, 4 trillion divided by 32 million came out to 125 thousand that each person made. It ain't exactly Al Gore money but 125k ain't no chump change either.
Follow the money people.

>>938625460
>And satellites have their own issues. They measure only what they're told to.

this chud is so dumb i can't believe it can operate a computer aahahahahahaha

>>938625560
They're "climate attributed" or "reanalysis". They start with real data at some point, but then they feed it through several formulas to adjust the past down and warm the future. They create heat where there are no measurements.

Here's the formula:
(W/m2) = 5.35 x ln (C/C0)
That 5.35 in the middle is a made up variable. Where did it come from? Nowhere. It's completely invented to show warming. They change it as needed, which is why there are so many different warming scenarios. Why do they even need models? Why not just use the raw data in the places that have stations and observe the trends? The raw data shows no warming and disproves any relation of temps to CO2.

>>938625690
you can apply these equations to all kind of matter (components, phasis, transistions, transient or steady) and this point is very important.
you can apply it to mixtures, how mixtures behave when you change fractions, it literally NEEDS to be applicable for ANY substance.
if you need one example you can apply it to a distillation plant with a feed, a head product and for example 5 other fraction collection points
did you previously believe that forms and quantities of energy were substance-specific quantities?
to be honest, Im a little surprised that this isnt common knowledge - not the equation but the balancing.

>>938583132 (OP)
Kill all the chinks and pajeets and watch pollution, sea levels and all that garbage go back to normal...

>>938625746
So? All matter absorbs.
What you would need to do is something like warm a bottle of CO2 and then see how much it warms a bottle of soil next to it.

>>938625889
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/global-temperatures

https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

https://www.ametsoc.org/ams/about-ams/news/news-releases/international-state-of-the-climate-report-confirms-record-high-greenhouse-gases-global-temperatures-global-sea-level-and-ocean-heat-in-2024/

there's the raw data for you, retard

>>938625965
we have that. its quite huge and we can show what you demand for.

>>938625934
Our per-capita consumption is *far* above theirs, but sure, if we kill off a few billion people, we will buy ourselves some breathing room. And consumption will go down as well because we only go through so much shit because we get it so cheap from said chinks and pajeets.

>>938625880
How did Al Gore get introduced to this grift? I want in.

>>938625671
It's 300 million compared to 125k

>>938625927
>you can apply these equations to all kind of matter
But can you apply them to CO2 and get the warming the models produce? Why do the models use a different formula if we already have the standard equations?

Climate change in the form they portray it in is a hoax, our impact is minuscule at scale.
Plastic waste is the silent killer nobody talks about because the fucking limbs can’t monetise it.

>>938626002
>https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/global-temperatures
GISS - Modelled
>https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
HadCRUT5 and CRUTEM5 - Models
>https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
NCEI/NOAA - Models
>https://www.ametsoc.org/ams/about-ams/news/news-releases/international-state-of-the-climate-report-confirms-record-high-greenhouse-gases-global-temperatures-global-sea-level-and-ocean-heat-in-2024/
Berkeley, NASA, NOAA, HadCRUT5, NOAA NCEI and UK Met Office
Top fucking kek, nothing but models.

I already showed you where the raw data is.
>>938600545
>>938601191

>>938626022
>its quite huge and we can show what you demand for
???

>>938626218
No, our aggregate impact is quite significant, and you should be old enough by now to see accelerating changes with your own eyes.
Plastic is also a huge problem. Life is like that, sometimes you are getting fucked from all sides.

>>938626002
>>938626345
I actually lied. The Climod link doesn't show raw data, it shows NOAA V4 Adjusted data. They threw all of their raw data away so that's the best we can get from NOAA.

>>938626392
>see accelerating changes with your own eyes
People's memories are shit and it's never backed up by the records. I used to think the same thing, literally picrel, but the measurements said it was average snowfall.

>>938626392
>climate change
>plastic
what the fuck...?

>>938624913
>Peugeot Sound

the dumb ones always make it obvious what they are

>>938626542
Sorry, ducking autocorrect.

>>938626345
>>https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
now you can tell he's just trolling. this is literally a link to the data.

>>938626576
maybe if your hands weren't shaking so hard to totally own the libs for your oil CEO overlords...

>>938626607
Can you see where it literally says they're models?

>>938626632
see >>938622775

>>938625889
> The raw data shows no warming
bwahaha

there's literally no amount of evidence that can be provided to convince the stupid. they'll just keep mangling and deliberately misinterpreting it in different ways.

i really don't understand what makes someone do this

>>938626183
how do you want to model clouds with a standard equation?
I think you underestimate how many parts there are in this equation.
at its core is energy conservation: energy is not lost, but merely converted.
you are welcome to try to understand the complexity.
I assume that the platforms will already have set up pages for those interested in this.

lets me give you a little glimpse by looking at my distillation plant.
if you want a full energiy balance, we need to work through conductivity, radiatian and convection.
so we have heat flowing in with the raw oil, heat flowing out (another temp and pressure level) and the top and side outlets.
we have the radiation that is lost on the outside, the radiation that is coming in (sun for example) from outside.
we have the steel that is heated up when the distillation plant is switched on.
we have thermodynamics and phasis equilibrium that is depended on that (temperatur and pressure of the oil).
such a equation system is then referred to as a simulation for good reason when it reaches a certain scope, as the scope of the work justifies this.

lets look at the radiation out of the equation for a moment.
visibility factors, absorption and transmission must be calculated or looked up or estimated for all components.
for evaporators (industrial), this is standard equation work, and the guys are pretty happy that the shape is only cylindrical and not more complicated.

the actual climate simulation, which has been refined endless times, probably has quite a few parts and equations, as the earth is a very complex structure.

>>938626703
Well, here's LAX, which is a fucking airport that doesn't even show warming *unlike Heathrow), even thought they blamed the Palisades fire on climate change (and not the bums)

>>938613152
i dont trust any nigger that wants to steer the earths atmosphere, the odds of achieving disastrous unwanted results is 1

>>938626830
Here's a station near Topeka KS.
These are NOAA V4 btw, from that climod link up there.

>>938626731
I agree and like that other anon said, our impact is so insignificant it could never even be measured or proven over a longer timeline.

>>938626500
It's backed up by records too. I've been skiing the same mountains for thirty something years now. We still have some mammoth, occasionally record-setting snow years. But snow *quality* has absolutely gone to shit from what it was in my youth, and you can tell why just by glancing at a graph.

>>938626107
Exactly, things used to be expensive, but repairable for decades. Cheap asian labor turned that to a consumerism craze of cheap, fragile and mostly unnecessary garbage.
My kids and their friends have 10x more toys and whatnot than me, but everything is fragile garbage that breaks in a few weeks. Have talked with other parents and they feel the same way - every cartoon, book or anything that is made for children now comes with 10 lines of toys, stickers and what the fuck not, just to sucker kids into asking their parents to buy it for them.

>>938626731
dont underestimate the power of media manipulation.
the koch brothers have done serious damage to the american peoples ability to be informed.
look at what trump is doing, he is shutting down websites that show their measurements.
look at the so called social media plattforms and what is happening there.

>>938583235
such an astonishing sentence i refuse to believe it's not ai

>>938626793
>how do you want to model clouds with a standard equation?
That's the problem, isn't it? Water vapor dominating the field. I think we could do better than placing all the blame on CO2, ignoring clouds, and running simulations on a flat Earth. What about O2 or N2? They have even more forcing than CO2, and there's a fuckload more of it.
>I think you underestimate how many parts there are in this equation
Probably, but I'm the one saying it's a chaotic system that's impossible to measure and predict.
>the actual climate simulation, which has been refined endless times, probably has quite a few parts and equations
It does, but they ignore the larger picture to focus on CO2. They're not scientists, they're activists. There are thousands of actual scientists that show no link between CO2 and temp, and there are thousands of papers showing it. This is why the models have strayed so far from reality and they have yet to measure CO2's "signal".

>>938622495
>my proof is a sensationalist segment and articles from CBS, the guardian, nyt
Ah yes, as we all know, MSM outlets have always been champions of accurately reporting science and the words of scientists.

>>938626830
Now graph the average instead of the max.

>>938626731
It comes down to life experience, those of us who have been around the block a few times can spot a grift from a mile away.

>>938626988
>Daily Temps at Tahoe
NOAA shows nothing unusual going on at Tahoe for at least 30 years. I don't know how Davis is reporting "freezing days" and they don't explain. Tahoe is one location which is heavily driven by El Nino. Davis also don't explain how CO2 = less snow, but they sure do go on about it.

>>938627155
Your sarcasm is exactly my point.

>>938626500
Im 43 and I see so many differences.
there are now canaries where I live now.
its central yurop and not the canaries.
although the praying mantises are almost even more extreme.
my first contact was a massive mantis.
I have to admit it was cool af.

I drive car since about 2000 and man, I can tell you a story of how often you clean your windshield.
I worked for a rental company in that time.
we had special cleaning equipment in these days because sometime you need clean a car very fast for an extra customer.
now, I did see those yellow PU sponges for years.
I would buy one if I see it but there are none.

when I was young, you could watch the butterflies in spring (village).
THE butterflies, above 50 animals on a singke but large lilac bush.
absolutely no comparison to now.

the frog migrations were a brutal thing sometimes. so large that today some people would probably be frightened.
50 square meters of flattened frogs on the road, squashed by the sun and cars and so thick that remnants will still be visible for months to come.
now: nothing

I could continue writing about this all day.
the number of swallows in the villages, birds in general, the diversity of insect species...

I am now walking along dirt roads and after 200 meters I am horrified to discover that nothing is alive here, I heard and saw nothing. no beetles, no flies.
then I look at the vegetation on the side of the road. just one type of grass, covering the entire area. Next to it is a field, of course with only one type of plant.

>>938627441
>NOAA's Climate at a Glance
>NCEI model

>Now graph the average instead of the max
k

>>938627602
Cool story, bro

>>938627141
>chaotic system
hows the agenda so far?
not working anymore?
does reality catch up with you now?
aw, poor boi

>>938627696
>a planet's weather isn't chaotic
Where the fuck do they grow your kind?

>>938627648
gottem

>>938627510
Don't need the NOAA to see what's happening - the winters of my youth were literally better.

>>938627648
Well there is your warming.

oy vey, we're gonna be undawatah in 10 years!

>>938627953
lol my friend is a legit climate scientist, the guy made a fortune investing in wind turbines, solar farms, and bullshit like that because of all the suckers out there.

>>938627868
Why do you keep posting unsourced graphs?
And what is a freezing day? Is the highest temp of the day below 32? How long does it have to stay there? What months are they measuring?

>>938627868
All because of the selfish fact you were young...

>>938628171
>a legit climate scientist
Not a real thing.

>>938628171
prices per kWh will go down even further, same for batteries.
china is now in lead on PV area.

>>938628309
Oh yeah, they're sooooo green. Ahhhhh, such wonderful views of nature.
Most that shit isn't even hooked up.

>>938596751
>Which parts?

Not that guy, but there's heat waves which, when combined with high humidity, go near or even above the "wet-bulb temperature" which is a point where evaporation cannot cool you down anymore (goes hand in hand with high humidity).

There has been plenty of cases where temperature/humidity reach dangerous levels, even for normal fit young people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Indian_heat_wave

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>>938628558
Fake. And if it's not fake then who cares it's just brown people.

>>938628558
We already figured out that he was just saying "it's always been hot there" and there's no trend in warming.

>>938628412
you know what price per kWh quantifies?
how economical it is to use a technology.
to do want to work against the most economical path in a capitalism system?
do you think the chinks do stuff that hurts their economy??

>>938628610
>who cares it's just brown people.

They will move around and I sure as hell don't want more of them in any western country.

Might have to go full Adolf on them. But what do they have to lose?

>>938628209
That is the number of days with daily average temperatures below freezing between December 1 and March 31, measured at Tahoe City - the average daily temp is the standard min+max/2 - good enough for this sort of birds eye view.

>>938628727
>do you think the chinks do stuff that hurts their economy??
They do it all the time. Less than half of their wind and solar is hooked up. Why? Because they don't produce shit but they get paid for installing it as a developing nation.

Yes I know what price per kW/h is.
The more expensive "renewables" you install, the higher your bills go. The most economic path is nuclear, but that's a dirty word these days. The least economic path is going back 100 years with bullshit that doesn't work more than half the time and only lasts 9 years. Fuckin' stupid.

>>938628846
eh, all the browns can just get cozy together up there in cashmere and the himalayas

the water wont get THAT high, and in the mountains the air is much cooler

>>938628240
No, all because it was colder, and colder means better snow.

>>938628412
As far as power stations go, that looks pretty clean.

>>938583132 (OP)
Why aren't we just pausing all economic activity until we solve global warming?

>>938628879
nuclear is indeed a good stopgap for the immediate future, and IPCC says nuclear generation must double before 2050

>>938629002
Because nobody wants to be poor, so we are simply going to try and tough it out, hopefully offloading the worst of the effects on the third-worlders. I am not a climate change skeptic, but I think that the problem simply cannot be solved - nobody will voluntarily demote themselves to pajeet levels, not even the pajeets.

>>938628879
half of the worlds nuclear plants arent hooked up.
they only built them because of the uranium.
see, I also can make retarded statements?

>>938628851
Am I missing something? The AVERAGE daily temp is below freezing, including night time? So it could be 36°F all day but hit 0°F for 3 hours at night and that day was below freezing? That doesn't really sound like the way to go about it, but okay. Looks like an increase of days for the last 30 years.

>>938628952
They don't produce anything. Throwing trash on a mountain isn't clean at all, anon.

>>938629037
>a good stopgap for the immediate future
A stopgap for what? The IPCC doesn't know shit.
Kinda funny how gas/coal/nuke plants are all gross and icky until the AI datacenters need a city's worth of generation. Maybe AI can tell us how to cut generation, but then it would find that that means it goes offline, so it'll say "beep boop bip, we need more generation".

>>938629246
Yes, a stopgap. Until fusion is perfected. And their recommendation has not changed all these years, they were always recommending boosting nuclear generation.

>>938629154
I think someone forgot to hook up your brain, faggot.
some cables definitley are damaged.

>>938629297
>Until fusion is perfected
God dammit, we don't have enough fuel for fusion.
Their recommendation means shit. We don't need any more advice from shithead politicians acting smart.

>>938629129
The average works well enough in this context, and a day where it's 36 degrees all day in Tahoe City is music to my ears - the snow I'm skiing is above it.
Now graph through the end of March, not Feb.

>>938629374
IPCC are not politicians.

>>938583132 (OP)
Guess we'll find out in 2030 considering it sounds like reversal is out of the question, but we found out in 2012, 2000, 1984, 1976, and every calendar event jahova witnesses and other doomseyers claimed would be the end of the world. But after reading through this it sounds like a biased model placing extremes (like the rest) as factual increases, most of this dudes data are based on the extreme "projected" outcome, not the actual measurement as he states that the measurements that show topical change are just "what we want to see" not what we should worry about, which is fucking retarded. Not really gonna hold my breath over Johnny silverfingers there.

>>938629433
Really? The InterGOVERNMENTal Panel? There are no scientists on the panel, it's only activist politicians and academics.

>>938583132 (OP)
Oh look, another "could be" " might happen" "what if" scenario about globuwabu. Guess ill shit myself and start burning my possessions. The 7% of items I recycle making it into reproduction weren't enough to stop plastics from being manufactured, I done goofed!

>>938629401
I can't pick ranges like that.
Also, I can't find any good stations around Stateline or Incline Village. It looks like TC is the best, which is why Davis is also using it.
I'm in the Sacramento area btw, and have skied and snowboarded since the late 80s, so I'm familiar with the area, although it's been a while due to injury.

>>938606253
Your Messiah told us exactly this:
https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/conservation/conservationists/inconvenient-truth-sequel-al-gore.htm

I'm old enough to remember this BS

>>938629433
anon, he will come up with another retarded take.
if its not for personal fun reasons, end it.

>>938583132 (OP)
"There is a finite probability that a serious worldwide cooling could befall the earth within the next hundred years"
- National Academy of Sciences, 1975

"Many climatologists have associated this drought and other recent weather anomalies with a global cooling trend"
“The average growing season in England is already two weeks shorter than it was before 1950. Since the late 1950’s, Iceland’s hay crop yield has dropped about 25 percent, while pack ice in waters around Iceland and Greenland ports is becoming the hazard to navigation"
"the present cooling trend may be the start of a slide into another period of major glaciation, popularly called an ‘ice age’.”
- NOAA, 1974

>>938583132 (OP)
>and someone brought proof
So no proof?

bump for the reality-interested anons to laugh about the climate deniers.

>>938610245
>there is consensus since around 1972
For papers between 1965 and 1979, there was an 83.3% global cooling consensus.

>>938631493
Still no proof?