Thread 21463312

Pictured: fermented "narezushi", the ancestor of sushi

Korea invented that

I invented that

>>21463315
Likewise, without Chinese influence, Korean food would just be a bunch of sad vegetables.

I once was watching this historical K-Drama that featured some of their royal cuisine, and it was literally just a bunch of sad vegetables. None of the fire, spice, bells or whistles associated with modern Korean cuisine or KBBQ.

I'm ohio

>>21463312 (OP)
>>21463326
Scoop it up, Chang.

>>21463329
ohio gozaimasu

>>21463326
Korea invented China, or should I say Jungguk

Western culture introduced meat eating to Japan.
However, poultry and wild birds were already being eaten.
In some regions, pork and wild boar meat were also eaten.

>>21463405
Korea has been a colony of many different countries, so they themselves do not know where their origins are.

>>21463476
Especially America

You know you're cucked as a country when your national cuisine includes spam stew and corn dogs

Is that the fermented fish one or the pickled/marinated fish one? My aunt used to make the later and I've had the former in Laos, where sushi and nori are actually supposed to have originated.

>>21463496
>sushi and nori were originally invented in Laos, not Japan

kek

tho in all seriousness it probably could've arisen in several places

>>21463480
>American Spam
>American Sausage
>American Cheese
>Japanese Instant Noodles
It is no wonder that the U.S. was there when they began to civilize and stabilize.

>>21463496
>>21463509
But why is it that in the birthplace of sushi, there is no sushi like in Japan today?

>>21463509
No, seriously. Nori has been eaten in Laos, albeit made from river algae rather than sea, for millennia and it's still eaten to this day. Besides the source of the algae, the main difference between Lao nori (called kaipen) is its thickness and how it's consumed. It's much, much thicker than nori and is used like a cracker or potato chip, dipped into sauces or topped with things like sticky rice and fermented fish.

>>21463517
Pardon? There's no pickled fish sushi or no fermented fish sushi? Cuz both very much exist in Japan. The pickled fish one my aunt used to make is certainly Japanese, at the very least because that's where she was from: grolious nippon

>dissing finnish food out of nowhere to fit in
lurk moar tourist

>>21463312 (OP)
Japan improved on every dish imported from China. They removed the boiled dog and made it great.

>>21463561
Karelian pasties are the blandest, most boring bullshit on earth. If that's the best the Scandi Chinamen to offer, then it's even worse than bland-ass nip food.
And don't even try to bring up poronkäristys. You and I both know it's blander than bland. I'd rather eat millionbøf.

>>21463397
I can hear my wife Kiki Ch. saying this lol

>>21463526
This is not sushi! Isn't it only Korea that claims "?

>>21463579
Always found it odd when Uralic people get lumped in with East Asians, when they're like the whitest people ever

They don't look like white-Asian mixed or intermediate. (That would be Central Asian Turkic peoples, especially Kazakhs.) Uralics just look straight up white, period. Maybe chubbier but that's all.

Knew this obviously white American guy from college of Hungarian ancestry, and he sometimes called himself "sort of Asian", it was cringe af.

>>21463660
It's just a fun way to troll them, is all. They can't cook. Of course they're white.

>mackerel sushi
Has this sushi been spotted by tourists yet?

>>21463696
this literally already existed, except with a nice cut instead of this bullshit

>>21463700
This mackerel is pickled in salt for a short time, washed in vinegar, and then marinated in vinegar prepared separately.
In some restaurants, the surface is seared.
However, the taste of the mackerel served at inexpensive conveyor-belt sushi restaurants is subpar.

>>21463700
You're just showcasing your ignorance, gaijin.

>>21463312 (OP)
looks fine, i'd eat it. fermented thing good

>>21463326
That's what korean food was WITH chinese influence. The modern bright red korean cuisine of the modern day required the intervention of the European spice trade.

>>21463740
No, no, it's very salty and smelly.
Many Japanese people don't like it, but it's very expensive because the process and the fish used to make it are getting scarce.
By the way, I don't like it.

>>21463660
>white-Asian mixed or intermediate. (That would be Central Asian Turkic peoples, especially Kazakhs)
>Kazakhs
We're just Asians with light eyes. Also, it's kinda funny to think that despite being associated with the Celts and Dutch, red hair originated in Kazakhstan.

>>21463750
>No, no, it's very salty and smelly
i'm still up for it
>Many Japanese people don't like it
and many japanese people use ketchup for pasta sauce, i'm not trusting their judgement on any food until i try it myself

>>21463751
I thought it originated with the Udmurts (who live primarily in Udmurtia, Russia)

>>21463725
My Chinese parents once warned me about those restaurants. "Oh, they look fun, but what they actually do is take the shittiest, most deformed, most radioactive fish, and grind it up onto those conveyer belts!"

They're pretty cautious in general, and discouraged me from even trying anything with raw fish in it for a while. My first varieties of sushi were eel avocado roll, shrimp tempura, California roll, and spider roll made by the sushi lady at the local Asian (Chinese and Vietnamese) supermarket.

They also had a grudge against Japan because of Nanjing and other historic war crimes, brought over from the Chinese education system of the Deng Xiaoping-era.

Eventually they mellowed out on their own, and we even ended up visiting one of those conveyer belt sushi restaurants for the first time on one of our China family visits in 2018. Their respect for Japan also grew as their respect for China (more specifically the PRC) diminished.

>>21463766
>i'm still up for it
If you're trying it for the first time, other salted pickles are still easier to eat.

>>21463766
>ketchup for pasta
It tastes like old cheesy food.
There may be people who make it at home, but most Japanese nowadays do not order it in restaurants.
But the taste of butter and ketchup is not bad.
In today's Japan, this dish is regarded as a frozen pizza.

>>21463696
What do you mean? I can buy mackerel sushi at a lot of restaurants in Houston and all the Japanese markets I've been to here sell vinegar mackerel for use at home. Is this not common outside of Japan?

>>21463776
You must have been educated to hate Japan.
And it must be because of the anti-Japanese movies and dramas you have seen in China and Korea.
In Japan, children are not allowed to watch movies and dramas about nuclear bombs and those who remained in China, Korea, and Russia after the defeat.
If they exist, they are often presented in a very neutral way, or they are often presented as Japan's fault.

>>21463800
So it is already in the US.
But my point was that mackerel is a fish that has individual differences in taste and is very susceptible to freshness deterioration.
Furthermore, it varies greatly depending on the seasoning technique.
In short, there is a big difference between good and bad mackerel sushi.

>>21463809
I mean, they DID do a lot of shit around Asia, didn't they? No denying that.

And yeah ik what sort of movies (and TV) you're talking about. I've seen both my parents watch them, but mainly my dad. Like oftentimes B/W, and taking place during China's early modern history - not ancient with emperors and stuff, but like the 20th century-ish.

>>21463725
>>21463800
There's also salmon head (pictured)

>>21463766
Always fun to see how different races botch each other's cuisines.

>Japanese + Chinese using ketchup in "Italian" food
>Japanese using a British (kek) recipe for "Indian" curry
>Americans using broccoli in "Chinese" food
>Americans using xtra-sharp cheddar in "Mexican" food
>Americans using pineapple in "Italian" pizza

Sometimes it goes really well, like with Peru and their "chifa". Other times? Not so much.

Wonder if there are any examples of inauthentic bastardized versions of food that are BETTER than the originals.

>>21463312 (OP)
>if history were different, the present would be different
okay

>>21463825
>I mean, they DID do a lot of shit around Asia, didn't they? No denying that.
No one can prove that it is true.
For example, if the execution of soldiers and resistance fighters is altered to the massacre of the entire population of a Chinese city at the time, that cannot be proven false or true.
You cannot prove whether 731 was a human experimentation unit or a unit to prevent contagious diseases.
It also cannot be proven that hundreds of thousands of Japanese who remained in China after Japan lost the war were massacred.
I don't understand why you exaggerate and promote history that has not been proven to be true like that.
In the present peaceful time, it looks like brainwashing to me that we should continue to resent someone for our children and grandchildren.

>>21463825
>There's also salmon head (pictured)
I believe this is yellowtail, not salmon.
The flesh near the cheeks and fins of fish is a very tasty and rare part.

>>21463855
Are you literally about to deny atrocious war crimes on par with or worse than the Holocaust

You sound like one of those Germany apologists who complain about the bombing of Dresden or the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe as if those excuse the Holocaust

DESU I still feel guilty whenever I watch anime, like I'm supporting a country that still honors war criminals at the Yasukuni Shrine and has yet to properly acknowledge and apologize for its role in the colonization of China and persecution of Chinese people, hiding behind a veneer of politeness, neatness, and formality

(Especially ones that are banned in China like AoT or Death Note)

I know I shouldn't, but it just has to do with the way I grew up ig

>>21463862
Source said it was salmon

>>21463873
It is not a denial.
It means that both countries have claims and it is not known which one is true.
The difference between your home country and Japan is the percentage of people who continue to hold a grudge.
And the scary thing is that this resentment can be used for political purposes.

For example, clear evidence is this case as an incident.
But according to your argument, Japan is wrong.
But the majority of Japanese people today are trying to forget this.

>>21463873
>Source said it was salmon
No matter how you look at it, it looks like an yellowtail.
For example, this is the head of a farmed salmon and a wild salmon.
It has many characteristics, but the most distinctive is its sharp teeth.

>>21463521
Chinamen eat like how you would imagine fantasy frogpeople eat

>>21463660
Hot asian bitches

>>21463480
Hardly anyone eats Spam anymore.

>>21463991
Koreans and Hawaiians do lmao

Which would be another example of the aforementioned "bastardization" of cuisines

>>21463991
I had spam last night

Why do you think they were pirates for 1000 years? Japan isn't suitable for agriculture, they had to raid neighboring countries for resources

>>21464007
They do the same thing in Okinawa, Japan, where there is a US military base.

>>21464086
istfg if I were the dictator of China, I'd make the Ryukyu Islands the "Liuqiu Autonomous Region".

They were, after all, a vassal state of China from 1429 to 1879.

>>21463978
>fantasy frogpeople
The French?

>>21464112
Yeah they eat frogs and snails too.

Fun fact: the Chinese term for frog as food literally means "field chicken".

The Chinese snails are aquatic rather than terrestrial, though, and are generally smaller.

>>21463848
i was thinking it but then u said it.

>>21463873
>>21463921
Salmon/tuna collar is incredibly delicious. I always get one when I go to sushi place as an appetizer.

>>21464116
isnt the chinese for frog just translate into green frog?

>>21463873
Dude most people on 4chan don't think the Holocaust even happened

I just love super fishy meals and tastes what are some goof super fishy meals

>>21463319
Your mum was inventing new ways to accomodate my penis.

>>21464633
You might as well just eat Poke

>>21463326
>Spice
anon, chili peppers were brought over from the Americas

>>21463579
>millionbøf.
millionbøf is delicious

>>21464929
Sichuan peppercorns are native to China, you dumbfuck

>>21463326
Without Native American influence, literally EVERY cuisine would just be a bunch of sad vegetables.

>>21465081
Yes. That's why I mentioned it by name

>>21463326
>be chang
>ccp wipes out its history and culture during its revolution
>changs have no idea of how things really played out in their region
>thinks china somehow invented chili's and gave it to the world
No dummy, it came from european traders who brought it over from south america. We traded equally with chinese, koreans and japanese.

Holy shit enough of the 'we invented everything' bullshit from changs.

>>21465474
you changs have a ton of chili's in your foods that you got from us. wtf you on about?

>>21463517
Because they just repackaged it. Moved the sticky rice from all around the fish to just under the fish so its easier to pick up.

>>21463660
It's because the mongol empire reached Finland and Hungary and they raped a bunch, as they were known for

>>21466165
They did invent sushi though, no one gives a fuck what the ancient origins are. Nobody wants to eat rotting fish that's marinated in rotting rice, people want to actually eat something tasty like a spicy tuna roll.

yes chinese food mogs japanese
sushi is the only good japanese thing
the other good ones like ramen, chashu, etc. are taken from china

>>21463312 (OP)
>>21463326
>This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You
This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You
>This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You
This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You
>This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You
This Chinese Shill Is Misleading You

Chinese pinkies like to spread lies to westerners that they are the center of the world and influenced all of Asia. This is WRONG. Cultures existed BEFORE the Chinese did in the region.

Chinese themselves got their foods primarily from Mongols and especially Manchu's who both ruled them for eons. Manchu's even made the Chinese wear humiliation clothes and hairstyle to mark them as owned.

The real influence of food in the region is from Mongols and Manchu's--this includes INFLUENCE ON CHINESE FOODS.

In fact, Manchu foods like dezhou chicken was so loved that later on the Chinese emperor made it part of his royal menu. Today, Manchu foods like 沙琪玛, 文宇,酸菜白肉, etc. are all over China.

Manchu's are the reason why China has Hotpot, pickled veggies, blood sausage, various buns (steamed and fried), sweet/sour soups, pastries, and even types of soft cheese and yogurts. These are iconic dishes we see in China and authentic Chinese dishes to this day. THEY ALL CAME FROM THE MANCHU'S!!!

Look up the "Manchu-Han Banquet" and you'll see exactly how much the Manchu's shaped China's foods. The banquet even defined the Chinese dining etiquette as well.

So no, the main players in the region is not China, Its the Manchus. Since the Manchu empire (Qing) died out, the Chinese assumed their cultural ownership and pretend they invented everything. They didn't.

(And I've not even covered the HUGE impact China got from annexing Tibet and Xinjiang peoples on their culture and their foods! I just might write up a huge infographic exposing Chinese lies about their foods and culture.)

In summary: Chinese LIE like their life depends on it. Don't fall for their propaganda. They didn't influence shit.

>>21463660
>when they're like the whitest people ever
White doesn't mean "having white skin" otherwise East Asians would be considered white too. The reason why Uralic people aren't considered White is because White and Uralic are two different categories the same way Green and Yellow are two different colors. Uralic people are from one part of Europe (the Ural mountains) and White people are from a different part of Europe (England or France).
That said, Uralic and Turkic people have higher asiatic admixture on average than White people, some of which is East Asian.

>>21466253
I love the fact that the Manchu writing system is descended of ancient Syriac and entered Manchuria through trade with the Sogdians.
Sorry. I'm a linguist so I find that sort of thing far more interesting than whether Chinamen lie or not (of course they do).

>>21466253
In any case Korean and Japanese cultural is still downstream from Sinic culture, which as you noted has a variety of influences including Indian, Manchurian, and Southeast Asian. None of it really matters because these days, Machurian is a part of China so Manchurian culture is quite literally Chinese culture. Nobody ITT is a weirdo Han supremacist.

>>21466333
>In any case Korean and Japanese cultural is still downstream from Sinic culture
Totally taken out of context and you're painting with a huge brush. You're trying to give credit to China that which was not Chinese to begin with. There are only a small handful of actual proper Chinese influence on your neighbors and the same can be said about Korean and Japanese influence on China.

The problem is not over blown. The whole structure and approach of the OP is to slide cultural heritage of Korea and Japan to China. This is getting off topic but there has been documented examples of the Chinese government slowly trying to erode historical claims by Korea (NE Project) and Japan (Southern Islands) to lay the ground work for future claims on the region as they are doing to Taiwan. Also in China's bid to increase their softpower (good luck, everyone hates you guys for good reason).

Its obvious. No one is falling for it, chang.

manchus be like: han people don't season dey hot pot

>>21463991
Old British people eat that shit like crazy.

>>21466253
Manchus are basically Siberian and lemme tell you, that whole corner of the world can't fucking cook.

Mongolian cuisine = fried meat dumplings (khuushuur), boiled unseasoned mutton like 50 ways, and that's practically it.

Manchu cuisine = they couldn't fucking cook so they just stole all of China's cuisine when they took over the place. Saqima's just one sesame cookie, and one sesame cookie doesn't make a cuisine.

Siberian cuisine = kek

Korea = northernmost polity that CAN cook?

All of Central Asia, including the parts in China = I hope you like horse meat! Jk probably the best out of all these, and significantly better than Borat makes it out to be. Pictured.

>>21466156
Technically, that happened some time in the 19th century, IIRC.
Some yuros went to China, noticed some odd-looking chilis growing there, asked the zhangs where those came from, and the lying slanty lil bitches were all like i_made_this.jpg. Those guys took their word for good, instead of researching further, and that's how we ended up with Capsicum "chinense".

>>21466500
>Manchu cuisine = they couldn't fucking cook so they just stole all of China's cuisine when they took over the place
Again with the damn lies to try to reshape history to fit the CPC vision of China being the epicenter of the world.

The CCP wiped your peoples history and culture during the Cultural Revolution. Since then, your overlords have been trying to recreate its lost history to fit their agenda including reshaping your conquered past to reflect a contiguous & eternally sovereign existence of 'China'. But its fake.

You're not the original, at best you're just a pastiche of ancient China.

In case you're one of the millions of Chinese who never even lived in China and have ZERO idea of its true history and are filling in the void with your made up assumptions, let me tell you how it really went down: The Manchu's brought those dishes to you and made you cook it for them. -You were their vassal- They even taught you how to properly cook, especially how to make their foods as the servants you were to them.

To everyone else who's sick and tired of these blatant and pathetic lies by Chinese pinkies, you should look up the Manchu (Qing-Dynasty) work called 隨園食單, or better known in English as "Recipes from the Garden of Contentment". In it, the famous Manchu writer (Yuan Mei) make an definitive guide on cuisine and provides knowledge on cooking styles and techniques, how to best use various types of ingredients (seafood, meats, veggies, etc.), how to serve them, when to serve them, and also provides a wealth of recipes. This was the seminal work on Manchu/Qing cuisine that strongly shaped the Chinese cuisine we have today. In fact, this is the Chinese equivalent of the French "Le Guide Culinaire" by Auguste Escoffier, the definitive and foundational work on French cooking. Pretty much all of the best Chinese chef's today have studied this book and have copies of it in their personal libraries BECAUSE IT FORMED THE FOUNDATION OF CHINESE CUISINE!

>>21465474
Zero Korean dishes use SIchuan pepper

>>21463609
There are misunderstanding around gimbap mainly with Japanese Nationalists types trying to claim Korean culture as their own. (Long long story on this but you probably seen the debates on /int/ and /pol/ between the japanese posters and korean posters).

For me, it's mandu.

>>21466741
Rice and gim is a god tier snack. In fact I may just have some for breakfast.

>>21463514
As a side note, instant noodles were invented by a Taiwanese guy who happened to be in Japan for business.

Like many things attributed to Japan, its really non-ethnic Japanese who invent it or westerners who help the Japanese with the invention.

Look at the Japanese brand Lotte. It started in Japan and the company birthed and now controls Japan's snacks and candy industry. What many don't know is it was created by a ethnic Korean guy.

>>21466924
>Born in Taiwan during the Japanese colonial period
>Attended Japanese colonial school
>Traded and did business between Taiwan and Japan
>Then enrolled in a Japanese university to study
>After the war ended, settled in Japan and developed instant noodles
Momofuku Ando, a Taiwanese

>>21466930
Japanese imperialist forced people to adopt Japanese names.

>>21466924
>Lotte, which became a big company in Japan using Japanese technology and engineers
>Lotte, which steals candy from other companies and sells it in Korea
>Lotte, which is not popular in fast food
Wonderful Lotte

>>21466933
Of course, I was forced to attend a Japanese-style school in Taiwan.

Of course, he had to attend a Japanese-style school in Taiwan.

>>21466934
Nope! Your fellow netttouyoku schizo's lies about when certain snacks were made isn't going to work on me. You guys lie nearly as much as the chinese do.

It took a Korean to make your snack and candy industry and that upsets you to the point you try to discredit him.

Lotte was first, your other brands are just following in its shadow. Period.

>>21466947
Was that you in the other thread schooling Chinese agents (or retards) about the Qing dynasty making all of the good modern Chinese food? Thank you Anon for spreading the truth and destroying the lies.

Youre doing God's Work. May the universe bless you.

>>21466947
>netttouyoku schizo's
That's not one of them.
You're just another one of their kind... trash.

Japanese food is massively overrated. They only have a few good dishes.

>>21467068
Every time I see Japanese food overseas, I feel sorry for you guys. How can you pay so much for such a cut-rate dish?
In Japan, you can order it for less than half the price.

>>21464098
Impotent chinkcel rage

>>21467081
The average Japanese salary is like $40k a year. Even europoors make more than that.

>>21467297
How much does it cost to order this amount of Japanese food in your country?
I will tell you the price of this dish later.

>>21467339
about tree fiddy.

>>21466165
Powerful seethe in that image. The ongoing attempts of Koreans and Chinese to get people to like them rather than the more affable Japanese are always cute to see. I do dig the Kimchi though, that's a genuine Korean one. Props for that, but minus for the Tongsul stuff and dog eating.

>>21467339
Serious answer, about $14.

>>21463326
>sad vegetables
vegetables dont have emotions
in fact we even use the term vegetable to describe one who suffers from brain death

>>21467402
>about $14.
Surprisingly cheap, I thought it would cost about $20.

The price for this dish is $7, 10 years ago it was $5.
By the way, if you order it at a tourist restaurant, it will be about $17.

>>21463873
Um the Holocaust never happened, just soviet war crimes blamed on Germans. Dresden WAS a war crime worse than the Holocaust. And those only existed because of holodomor which was like 3 holocausts except mostly (95%) orchestrated by coincidentally Jewish folks.

>>21467468
>Surprisingly cheap
It really depends where you go.
I can get it from one place for that price but another for about $30.

>>21463319
I invented your mum

>>21463480
More people are circumcised in South Korea than America, that's how brainjacked they are.

>>21467644
nawh, white males in the US are highest. The US over all is lower than other countries simply due to the sheer number of immigrants we have flowing in that are uncut.

>>21467381
Hey Takashi, since you don't know, dog eating is illegal in Korea now. Japan, however, still imports dog meat in increasing rates. Poop wine is very much a Japanese thing. Even horse poop wine was a thing in Japan, including still eating horse meat to this day.

>>21463873
>atrocious war crimes on par with or worse than the Holocaust
Lol. Lmao even.

>>21466602
>"pastiche" allegations
Better a pastiche than nothing at all! And ancient stuff inevitably decays over time; wait till you hear how many of Japan's dozens of castles are the originals.

>Manchus schooled Chinese on cooking
No, we schooled the Manchus on cooking. There's necessarily not much room to "school" if you're stuck in a barren northern tundra with limited access to the freshest and finest ingredients. Meanwhile, China has had 4 great regional traditions of cuisine. Again, just compare Chinese and Korean imperial cuisine and you'll see the obvious.

Saying the Manchus invented Chinese cuisine as we know it today is like saying the British invented Indian cuisine as we know it today.

Take off the red, white, and blue blinders, anon. And maybe consider for at least a second that your Anglo culture isn't as innovative and flavorful.

>>21467419
enjoy your bland anglo-american slop you uncultured anglo-saxon

>>21466741
gim bap is just more boring hipster sushi

>>21467909
>No, we schooled the Manchus on cooking.
Glad you're admitting you're Chinese but we all knew that. But no, you didn't school them. You got schooled. Go read the book, seriously. Its great. They even have it in English. Btw, Manchus lived in a continental climate, not a tundra. In fact the little ice age was receding leading up to the time they started to rule China.

Anyway, let me remind you since you clearly don't know your own history, when the Qing dynasty (aka, the Manchus) took over China, they replaced your previous Ming dynasty cooks with their own. Eventually the Qianlong emperor invited CHEFS FROM OTHER REGIONS OF CHINA into the imperial kitchens and infused their styles into your existing ones and even mixing existing cuisines together. This is yet another point where MANCHUS INFLUENCED your peoples cuisine and the MANCHU-HAN BANQUET LITERALLY CELEBRATES THIS FUSION! As for the Zhejiang/Zhe food in your photo. Since the ports in Zhejiang were of importance to the kingdom, chefs from that region were invited into the imperial kitchens we well.

Look, I know you really want to convince everyone you guys are the epicenter of all Asian culture but its simply not true. You were conquered and influenced yourselves so many times by other peoples. Even by Mongols who also shaped your foods which we haven't even talked about yet.

And did you know that the Manchus were previously known as Jurchens? And did you know Jurchens previously had a dynasty in China before renaming to Manchus? In effect, you were ruled by Manchus TWICE. The first time they ruled China, (during the Great Jin Dynasty), they are the ones who spread soy based foods/sauces and noodle dishes through out China giving rise to your noodle dishes and soups. Also, did you know they birthed easily the most iconic Chinese food of all time, Dim Sum?

You really need to either actually learn your own peoples history or start being honest about it.

>>21466500
>>21467909
Brother, the influence of the manchus/mongols/xinjing peoples is correct. Not sure what happened to the post but during the Qing dynasty they did replace all of the Ming dynasty chefs with their own. And its true that the Qianlong emperor did bring together a lot of chefs from various areas of China, including Zhejiang (your pic is from that region), into the imperial kitchens and they shared and infused their cuisines together. This is very much more than an influence, it shaped China's culinary scene since then. That was what started the Royal Manchu and Han banquet. To mingle together and to unify the rest of China (mainly non-norther areas) who were not happy with the Qing rule under food.

Also, the mongols, who popularized hot pot in China and introduced new spices they collected during their trades with other peoples, have impacted our foods. Look at Tsuivan which is one of the most popular forms of meat and noodle dishes through out China.

Xinjiang influence is huge too which introduced various lamb dishes and new spices such as cumin and red chili peppers including middle eastern flavors and spices like saffron. Cumin is huge through out China because of it.

Of the 4 main regional foods, Shandong, Jiangsu, and even Catonese have many influenced from the Qing and Mongol rule. The main area of foods that wasn't heavily influenced as much is Sichuan but peppercorns aren't popular in Korea nor Japan. Spicy foods already had made its way to Korea at the time via their own trades and interations with manchu/mongol/europeans and Japan was never into spiced foods much at all, even to this day really.

Just search up 'Manchu impact on Chinese cuisine' and you'll get a lot of resources. Its not debatable at all and is actually a proud part of our history and culture.

>>21468725
Noodles were invented in the literal middle of China. 中原. 中 means center.

Imagine a Chinese cuisine without noodles, or rice, which was cultivated in southern China and SE Asia. Unfortunately, this was the reality of Manchus and Mongols until they came into contact with China. Well, conquered China and the Chinese... except in many cultural domains, it was the Chinese who conquered them too.

How many people speak Mongolian today? How many people speak Manchu today?

Also, this is just a personal preference, but I feel like the Northeast of China might have one of China's blandest, least exciting regional cuisines. At least compared to Sichuan, Hunan, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, or even Shaanxi.

>>21469397
>Shaanxi
I like his seven rings

>>21469397
Its the style, not noodles by itself. Just because there are more Chinese today than Mongols and even though the manchu empire died out doesn't mean their impact on Chinese culture vanished or is diminished. Its still here to this day.

Ya'll shouldn't have come in here trying to lie about yours and others cultures. lol

>>21469404
What Manchu food would look like if the Manchus (or Jurchens) never had access to Chinese ingredients, dishes, cooking techniques, or gastronomy

(Also, the meat, cranberry, and green bean one honestly resembles "Native American cuisine" or "Pacific Northwest cuisine". Not surprising, considering the ancient cultural and demographic link between the two regions.)

>>21470067
>shows picture of serbian food
>no no no, trust me thats manchu food I swear! I swear manchus lived up north with santa claus in the icy tundra, I swear!
Changs be in serious cope mode.

Old Jurchens and new Manchus (after the name change) had different foods due to changes in their over all kingdom size, change in the composition of the nomads, and the change in climate due to the end of the little ice age. Don't leave those crucial details out.

The Manchus weren't living in vast lands of permafrost. lol

Regarding ingredients, the Qing dynasty did a lot for farming and livestock in China. They helped made crops flourish during a time China were facing famine due to a huge booming population including new agricultural methods and even introduction of new crops China never had before.

We can all play the google/copilot/chatgpt game.

>>21463873
Buddy I wish the holocaust was real

>>21470147
>serbian
retard

>>21471813
meh, i'm sure its autocorrect anon. doesn't change the overall message. china is a country that was influenced, not one that influenced others like the changs were trying to convince us of.

>>21465785
Without European influence (and consequently Asian influence), South American cuisine would be a sad cuisine with no onions, garlic, steak nor delicious ribs
Basically just corn, potatoes, cassava, chili pepper and cacao with no spice or flavor

>>21466253
How did they get out?

>>21471859
so apparently malaysia doesn't exist or sth idk

>>21472856
Malaysia is cool and has amazing foods, especially seafood dishes and iconic dishes like Nasi Lemak, Laksa, and probably the best over all chicken rice in all of Asia (sorry Singapore). But how much do you influence others? It seems like its mainly Singapore, no? You guys are more of a fusion of all types of cultures that mixed and matched but it really impacted your national food culture, not really broadly around Asia but I'm open to being corrected.


I think when it comes to SE Asia, Laos takes the crown. They basically are responsible for nearly all iconic Thai dishes we know and associate with Thailand due to their popularity (soft power), they also influenced much of Cambodia's food and a lot of Vietnam as well. And sadly, most people, including serious foodies, don't know this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v58Z-FO08fw

>>21466253
how does he get out?

>>21472887
>china is... not [a country] that influenced others
well again, malaysia

also pho in VN

also pad thai in Thailand

also ramen and sushi but those were mentioned already

also mandu / mantu / manti across northern asia stretching all the way to turkiye

also jjajangmyeon, ramyun, kimbap, and naengmyeon / rangmyeon in korea

also like half of all peruvian food (chifa)

also like half of all filipino "food" (lmao)

srsly, let's face it, there is NO asia without china. NONE.

>no no no, trust me thats manchu food I swear! I swear manchus lived up north with santa claus in the icy tundra, I swear!
they fucking did, haven't you looked at a map you retard

(pictured: a related ethnic group, the evens)

>>21471813
>retard
true

ngl tho if u told me that WAS "authentic serbian cuisine" i'd have bought it

fucking slavtards and their inability to cook (at least before the ottomans came)

>>21472959
Yet more lies...

You guys are influenced WAY MORE than you influenced others. Most of the influences you're even now listing trace back to Manchus/Mongols/Xinjiang/etc. When you are going to get this into your head?

Fermented bean paste isn't even unique to China. It has origins to South Asia (Indians, Nepalese, Mayanmar, etc have had it before China). And Zhajiangmian (Jajangmyeon in Korea) originates from, you guessed it, Manchuria! And yet, Jjajangmyeon is marked and sold as Chinese/Korean fusion to give you credit but they don't have to. But kimbap? lol, thats a huge stretch. You guys also tried to claim Kimchi (and still do) and nearly all of Korea's foods. Mandu was influenced from Mongols when they entered Korea. naengmyeon uses a totaly different type of noodles koreans invented. Sushi doesn't come from China, it originates from South East Asia.

In Japan, ramen is a fusion of Chinese noodles and has influence from China but to Japan's credit, can you find anything in China that tastes like Japanese ramen? You can't because Japanese ramen uses a base soup that China doesn't. Motodare for a umami boost.

But now you are moving the target to a much larger one, trying to cast a bigger net but I don't care for thailand (who is heavily influenced form Laos, NOT china. At least educate yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v58Z-FO08fw), Peruvian (main influence is soysauce/stirfry), Filipino foods (they have more influence from other countries, not only china), etc.

Here's something to think about: Did you know Teriyaki was created in the US? Did we influence Japan? Did the Japanese influence our foods? Chop suey, General Tso's chicken, Orange chicken, fortune cookies are all served at Chinese restaurants across much of the world (even in parts of China) and they were invented in the US. KFC, McDs, starbucks, etc is huge in China, so I guess we Americans now influenced Chinese food culture. Thats how stupid and desperate you come off.

>>21472959
>srsly, let's face it, there is NO asia without china. NONE.
This folks is the crux of the Chinese mindset, or should I say mind rot.

As Japan has softpower, as Korea builds softpower, even as Vietnam gains softpower (especially their foods), the CCP steps in to place claims on them. Ask a Vietnamese person about Chinese claim to Pho because it is a noodle dish or why China can claim Ao Dai as theirs and how they feel about it.

Mark my words, as crazy as it sounds now, after they absorb Taiwan they will use these 'cultural claims', food and other wise, to justify bringing these countries into their vision of China's "middle kingdom" to fulfill their 'mandate of heaven' lust. Don't let these lying bastards distort history and other peoples cultures. If you're a non-chinese Asian, you need to start pushing back against these false claims about what is rightfully your food culture, here and everywhere else online and offline.

These guys are mental.

>>21472959
>they fucking did, haven't you looked at a map you retard
At this point, if any one still thinks this guy has ANY fucking clue as to what the hell he's talking about, you're either mentally ill or a fellow CCP shill.

Manchu's lived in a climate that allowed them to grow crops - THEY DID NOT LIVE IN THE TUNDRA WITH SANTA CLAUS. They had more ingredients than peoples who truly do live in a tundra. Plus they had an extensive trade network for more ingredients than found in their region like basically every newer civilization.

>srsly, let's face it, there is NO asia without china. NONE.
No, srsly, let's face it, there is NO china without Mongols/Manchu/Jurchens/Tibetans/and Xinginag peoples who gave China the vast majority of its culture and identity--especially its food culture and cuisine.

FULL STOP.

>>21466253
I mean, if your ancestors got buttraped 100s or 1000s of years ago and were made to eat some sort of food from thence on, I think it is fair to say it's a part of your culture. I guess I don't hate the chinks as much as the next guy, but if you wanted to get real pedantic about it then nobody's food is gonna be their own. And if you want to say it's Sinocentric or whatever, fine, but nobody getting Manchu takeout.

>>21463660
It's this:
>>21466171
Out of all of the Eastern-European countries, they are the closest genetically to the Mongols.

>>21473074
According to the current mainstream theory, Mankind came from Africa thus all peoples cultures, foods, and identity belongs to Africans.

Lets just stop the debate here and end it once and for all.


Pfft...!

I do have a "manchu chinese" restaurant. They do exist but in large its not needed since their influence is already baked into most chinese food ya dingus.

>>21463991
And look at the state of people now.
SPAM is god tier and should be eaten more often.

>>21473099
Have you seen SPAM prices? Its shot up even here in the US because it got trendy again. People ARE eating more SPAM.

>>21473105
Well fuck. I did in fact not notice, I just chalked it all up s a general inflation increase.

>>21473091
Yea, but that doesn't mean what you think it means. Various peoples and interests turn it into popsci bullshit (like "we all start out as girls in the womb!") to tell people that actually we are all Sub-Saharan Africans so let's hold hands and be friends. The real theory says that some ape thing that has just as much relation to the modern African as it does to you and I (it doesn't look anything like any of us) wondered out of there and across the rest of the world 6 gorillion years ago. Arguing that you can't call it Chinese food is more in line with the popsci interpretation of that theory than the real thing.

>>21473065
Santa isn't even real you retard tf does he have to do with anything

But Tungusic people like the Evenks literally have fucking snow and reindeer

Heilongjiang in China is similar, northernmost part of what USED to be Manchuria

They lived beyond the Great Wall, or at least the Wall kept em out till the Qing takeover

The Qing era proved to be a severe cultural drought for China and its civilization. NOT China's "prime time" - that was the mighty Tang. Those queues were mandated by force and met with widespread criticism, and are as traditional to the Chinese as burqas are to the Afghans / Persians.

The only "Chinese" thing the Manchus invented was resentment. For you to claim that large portions of Chinese history and culture would not exist without them is nothing short of FUCKING RETARDED.

How much British influence is there on Indian cuisine?

>>21473074
Oh yeah, speaking of India, anyone here tried "Indo-Chinese food"? It's the most idiotic shit ever. Can't even spell "Sichuan" right. Indian food is wonderful, but they simply can't make Chinese food at all. One of their most famous dishes is "Chicken Manchurian", which has zilch to do with what little actual Manchurian food there is. More like American "Chinese" slop.

>>21473147
You're so filled with fake as fuck info. This is like the Tofu Dreg version of 'history'. Anyone can read up on these topics, we are on the damn internet after all. Manchuria isn't a Tundra. I even provided proof. You can even look at the map of Tundras and then finally fuck off on this point that you can't win.

What is actually TRUTHFUL and FACTUAL is that the Chinese owe MUCH of their culture, including food culture and cuisine to Mongols/Manchu/Jurchens/Tibetans/and Xinginag peoples.

Chinese food wouldn't be what it is today with out their SIGNIFICANT influence.

>>21473147
>anyone here tried "Indo-Chinese food"?
Yes. I like it.
>More like American "Chinese" slop.
I like that, too.
To be clear, I moved to America from Singapore so yes, I am familiar with Chinese and Straits Chinese food but the first time I had American Chinese I was confused by a few things, namely the inclusion of vegetables. The first thing I every had from an American Chinese place was the typical canto dish, beef chow ho fen, which is just beef, noodle and leaf broccoli with salty and sweet soy sauces. That's it. The American one has about 37 additional vegetables, which I find detracts from the dish. And the same is true of most other American Chinese dishes. Just a bunch of added, western vegetables. And yet, they don't actually eat vegetables, the American, so their addition is an even greater mystery

>>21473041
>Ask a Vietnamese person about Chinese claim to Pho because it is a noodle dish or why China can claim Ao Dai as theirs and how they feel about it.
lmao
To quote the Vietnamese green grocer lady at my corner
>China people no good!
There was a news report on the TV she was watching about China and the Chinese affiliated government of Vietnam just killed a bunch of Vietnamese through some state-run industrial accident. Some bad pollution or something, I don't remember. It was six years ago.
Semi related, I was in there yesterday and got a head of cauliflower, 3lbs of tomato, a pound of green beans and some red chilli for $5 total. I fucking love that little store.

>>21473099
Whats the deal with spam I never tried it

>>21463312 (OP)
>China invented the dish
>Kirea refined the dish
>Japan copied the dish
Oriental culinary history, everything you need to know.
/thread.

>>21473974
It's fucking disgusting processed canned meat

TF is the appeal

No wonder Europeans think American food sucks

>>21473155
Name one Mongolian or Tibetan food that's not sad boiled meat dumplings or plain mutton

Want vegetables? Hope you like thin boiled cabbage soup

Also a reminder that this snowy winter wonderland is in what used to be Manchuria

>>21474112
>harbin ice festival
>held in January during THE WINTER
>can't do it any other season of the year cause its too hot.
>This dude has such poor education that he doesn't even know what a Tundra is. Chinese CCP education at its best!
Buddy, your pathetic attempt to gaslight people is getting to certifiable mental disorder levels. Manchu's didn't live in the Tundra. No matter how much you literally cope and seethe in here won't change that reality.

Btw, Mongols didn't need to be some vegan culture to have impacted your cuisine as if Chinese eat purely a vegetarian diet o algo. Yet another worthless strawman argument.

Chinese owe MUCH of their culture, including food culture and cuisine to Mongols/Manchu/Jurchens/Tibetans/and Xinginag peoples.

>>21465947
oh

>>21467749
>dog
tastes like shit
>horse
very tasty

>>21474309
>heavy down winter jackets
Idk seems pretty cold to me

>>21474921
>small brain doesn't even consider pics can be taken in colder months
besides that look at the veggies they grow and sell even in the very area chang says that only moss and lichens grow. Its not a tundra. Stay in school.

>>21474973
it's snowy

>>21473074
Similarly, you don't get curry from an "English takeout" or a "British takeout". Even if said Brits did have a hand in the genesis of some of the dishes, like chicken tikka masala.

My understanding of that example, BTW, is that it used to just be Chicken Tikka, but then a British-Indian cook (in either Britain or north India, sources vary) experimented with adding tomatoes to a curry (or even tomato soup), and thus was born what ended up becoming Britain's de facto national dish.

(Regardless of who invented it or where, though, it's pretty fucking hilarious how Britain has an Indian curry as its de facto national dish.)

>>21473082
No one considers them Asians nowadays, tho

>>21476570
Glad you changs bring up Harbin.
Harbin is known as the Russian/European city of China. It has massive Russian influence and European influences, showcasing that China STILL takes up influences from other cultures to this day.

Take a look at the city in the summer, notice how its bright, sunny and very green? Notice that its not permafrost with moss and lichen as you'd find in a Tundra because its not a tundra. They have a continental climate which allows them to grow a variety of crops that feed into their local cuisine.

Total Russian/Euro vibes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJyNWpXBMC0

Did you also know Korean food is hugely popular in the NE region of China due to proximity to Korea? Its good to see how even Koreans influence the Chinese food scene:
https://youtu.be/T6zXyJ9EVak?si=LocOEQ5uTzlkAxoF&t=841

China has and always will be a mash up of various peoples and cultures that contributed to its cultural identity, especially food.

>>21478699
IKR, it's pretty interesting

One of the greatest Russian influences on Chinese cuisine is a type of bread found in Heilongjiang called "lieba" (列巴), which is related to the Russian word for "bread".

And don't even get me started on the "luosong" (Russian) soup found in Shanghai and HK inspired by borscht, heavy work on the "inspired". A very good dish, as long as it's not the canonical recipe with ketchup and everything.

>>21463326
Um actually it was Black Americans that invented Korean fried chicken

>>21478744
>heavy work on the "inspired".
Why? Do you think beetroot borscht is the only one? Luosong's literally the exact same recipe as tomato borscht except it has the addition of Shaoxing wine.

>>21463480
>corn dogs
I love these, wish they made them in my country as well. Export your culture harder ameribros, wtf!

>>21474030
yeah I don't get it either, but when I went to the Phillipines they had a ton of dishes centered on Spam like it was Wagyu meat.

>>21479171
I moved to the US ages ago and something I've learned is that the actually good things they cook and eat seldom leave the US. They'd rather export their garbage food than the good stuff.
That said, corndogs are easy. Just get a sausage skewer it and dip it into cornbread batter, sweet or savoury, up to you, then into the fryer it goes.

>>21479192
yeah I want to try that but corn flour is expensive over here (like almost 6 bucks a bag). I think I'll get some next week so I can try that and sweet corn bread. Do you guys ever see any particular knd of sausage go into corndogs? I'm tempted to try it with a chilli garlic sausage a butcher makes near me but they're really thick so I'd have to cut them in half lengthwise.

>>21479201
Generally, they're plain-style chicken hotdogs. Some varieties are mixed meat hotdogs and some are beef. I've never seen other varieties.
There's also the subset of pancake sausages which, in true American fashion, venture into the utterly absurd.
They're generally a Lincolnshire or bratwurst-style sausage, called a breakfast sausage by Americans (and always pork in this case, though proper breakfast sausages also come in turkey and beef varieties because Judaism is the state religion here), dipped into American pancake batter and fried in the same way as corndogs. The difference here is the batter. Americans will add just about anything to a pancake batter. I've seen chocolate chip pancake sausages, for example, though plain is more common. There's also the full breakfast on a stick. I've only seen them and never actually had one so I'm not sure the order of the layers but I think it's a sausage wrapped in an omelette dipped in pancake batter and fried.

Anyway, just get plain hotdog like sausages (for my home country, that's wurstel) and the corn meal/corn flour (not cornflour, right?) and make some. You can use the stuff in other things besides corndogs, y'know. American fried fish, for example, particularly riverfish like catfish, uses a batter similar to corndogs

>>21463991
I ate your sister’s spam last night

>>21479102
Bro no one's out there claiming "luosong tang" was originally invented by anyone but the Russians

Even has "Russian" in its name

Funnily enough found a thumbnail calling it a variation of goulash, and another calling it a Taiwanese dish (or at least a dish that has a "Taiwanese style")

Doesn't seem to be much difference between the Shanghai, HK, or TW versions; wouldn't even be surprised if they just made the same dish and slapped on an adjective for kicks and funsies

Originated in Harbin according to Wikipedia

>>21473155
>Xinginag

Fucking 0 IQ ameritard I hope you all fucking choke to death on your chemically processed gizzard and rat-meat hot dogs

>>21473147
>British influence on Indian cuisine
No response? Oh yeah that's right, the colonizer ended up getting colonized themselves by their colony's food

Same thing with 0 tastebud horse milk goatfuckers when they come into contact for real rice, soup, and spice for the first time in any of their lives, when all THEY have to contribute is one sesame cookie, one thin cabbage soup, and like 20 different ways to cook goat carcasses

What a dumbass... bet you're also one of those activistards who believe "Israeli cuisine" doesn't exist

>my fancy raw fish with rice came from this place not other place
lmao imagine caring

>>21463660
anons how to i get a snowjap gf

>>21481004
The Finland-Japanese connection goes quite strong I'd say

>>21480897
Its just regional variations with minor differences. there was a TW shop where they added some lite soy to their version but I honestly couldn't even taste it even tho I saw them put it in with my own eyes. made me wonder how it would have tasted without it. Like why bother with it at all?

>>21480915
Seethe chang. no one cares for your cope and seethe soup.

>>21463312 (OP)
My inventions look like this and I invented that

>>21481244
Trust me, no one wants to be the inventor of smelly fish

>>21480915
>What a dumbass... bet you're also one of those activistards who believe "Israeli cuisine" doesn't exist

Because it literally doesn't you zionistard

>>21480915
>bet you're also one of those activistards who believe "Israeli cuisine" doesn't exist

Isreal is a fake country made by America as a desert Jew prision, so yeah of course they don't gave their own cuisine. Most of the "people" who live there are from Germany and the other places they fot kicked out of.

>>21482695
It wasn’t the Americans.
It was a people much, much worse.

>>21480915
>What a dumbass... bet you're also one of those activistards who believe "Israeli cuisine" doesn't exist
I've never seen an example of Israeli Cuisine that isn't either stolen from Europe or the Arabs. Jews have cuisine but Israel is a fake state with a fake culture based on European colonialism.

Iran won btw.

>>21480915
>rat-meat hot dogs
Burgers actually.

>>21463514
I’m as American as they come and that looks god awful

>>21463660
Rolling for 2

>>21482734
>>21463514
I'm a WHITE American and that looks delicious! Would devour!

>>21482712
Who the fuck on earth is actually worse than Jews and Americans?

>>21464560
Maybe anon meant like how cattle is called beef when you're eating it. The animal is cattle, the food is beef. Likewise, the animal is green frog, the food is field chicken

>>21482798
>Jews and Americans
bit redundant innit

>>21482803
That was the point, yeah. Same shit.

>>21482715
>>21482732
>Israel
>hamburgers
I could make the same fucking "stolen" argument about America, you know?

Hamburgers and French fries literally have a German city + France in their names.


>>21482800
To clarify:
- cattle = Bos taurus
- cows = adult female Bos taurus
- bulls = adult male Bos taurus
- heifers = young female Bos taurus
- oxen = young male Bos taurus
- steers = castrated male Bos taurus

>>21464560
To clarify:
- 青蛙 = "green frog" = frog (as animal)
- 田鸡 = "field chicken" = frog (as food)

And having tried those, they're rather delicious. They literally taste like gamy chicken.

>>21482798
Afrikaners

>>21463496
>sushi and nori originated in land locked laos
i love lao food but come on now

>>21482829
>Afrikaners

Touche. My father is one. You are indeed correct.

>>21482734
>>21482761
Korean food is delicious, but one of the drawbacks is that it's easy to get bored.
This dish makes me feel very happy at first, but after 20 minutes, I feel heartburn.

>>21482841
Sushi did originate from Laos region. Sushi isn't just raw fish, its aged/fermented for flavor otherwise there is nearly no taste in most (not all) fish used in sushi. They started adding rice vinegar to help give it that traditional aged flavor even.

Google it even.

>>21482868
Those are 'street foods'. I would eat their stews, bbq, and sides all day instead.

My opinion: In East Asia, China has the best stirfried dishes, Japan has sushi, but Korean stews are giggabased and not well experienced out in the west except for the kimchi one which is just middle of their range.

>>21463312 (OP)
I saw a guy try this on the Travel Channel. It was so horrible, his guide tried taking his food and eating it in his place. I think he was embarrassed.

>>21482868
My mother taught English in Korea for a few years. She mostly complained about the food being terrible. There was something call bee bim bap or something like that which was the one thing she liked. She had very few good things to say about the country in general though.

>>21482868
Korean food reminds me of what I'm just gonna refer to as "northern food", eaten in generally cold areas.

No further qualifiers needed.

Common traits include beef and/or lamb, starches (often potatoes, noodles, and/or root vegetables), soups / stews, drabness, lack of variety or culinary impressiveness, high caloric and fat value, heartiness, and "comfort quality".

Also notice how it's usually the "southern foods" that most typically tend to influence the "northern foods", rather than the other way around (of which the whole Columbian exchange is a subcategory).

>>21482877
>Korean stews are giggabased
What kind of stew do you have?
There are quite a few Korean restaurants in Japan, but I have only ever encountered a samgyetang and kimchi stew.

>>21482895
>bee bim bap
Is it this dish?
It's good to eat once in a while. Personally, I prefer it not to be a hot stone bowl.

>>21482902
>Korean food
Personally, I think it's a country dish.
I think it would be nice to add a little more autism to the cooking method.

>>21482907
Possibly. I only heard about it second hand, but it looks like vegetables there and I remember one of her big complaints being that they barely eat any vegetables which is probably about 90% of her diet.

>>21482916
gochujang LA galbi chicken tendies

mmmmm

>>21482920
These vegetables are boiled and seasoned, so they are easy to eat. Moreover, they come with a spicy and salty paste sauce.

>>21482927
I think the problem with their food is that it's overcooked and overseasoned.
If it is improved, I think the dish will be juicier and easier to eat.

>>21482957
So is it typically true that Koreans barely eat vegetables and when they do they are pretty much always either cooked or pickled? I think that was her main complaint. This was almost 20 years ago though

>>21482902
yeah, I actually feel japanese foods are like this (sorry weebs). Its basically like you can take korean food but replace chili paste with miso and its bacially what you end up with. Stews are fucking delicious tho so I'd have to fight you on stews. Even in the states stews are one of the most hearty meals one can have, especially with freshly baked breads.

>>21466253
China isn't even real. The country that calls itself China has been completely conquered and ethnically cleansed so many times, there's no longer any such thing as a true chinaman. No wonder they need a crazy government inventing all sorts of history and achievements, because there is no actual Chinese identity left in the world today.

>>21466602
Anyone can find this book online?like a pdf or some free online option like the internet archive? Couldn't find a torrent or anything

>>21472001
Wild onion already existed in the Americas, though.
>steak
Bison already existed in the Americas though.
>ribs
Again, Bison. What are you talking about, man

>>21483284
>there's no longer any such thing as a true chinaman.
Man, that sucks. What ethnic slur would you recommend using instead?

>>21463326
>>21463312 (OP)
Japanese food is wonderful precisely because it was so awful for so long. Japanese people endured a hardship of 800 years of buddhism and developed a completely alien eating culture compared to asia. however once normal ingredients became available there, they approached them in the old way they did to make the most austere existance palatable.

In other words what I am saying mr chang. is that the weakest chefs are actually the strongest!

>>21463509
i read it in his voice.

>>21478363
the Rus where already a pretty violent haplogroup but add in genghis khan dna and you get the modern slav squatter

>>21483464
Bisons are not native to Latin America dumb dumb.

Not any of the previous anons. Imagine trying to have a discussion on who came ahead of the American exchange. What a bunch of autistic retards. We would be as autistic as these East Asians I refuse to participate.

Both European and Americas cuisines benefitted greatly from the exchange and it's retarded to try to see who came out ahead.

>>21483529
easily the americas came out ahead in terms of raw veriety. they had a darth of available animal verities. However in terms of day to day living, tribal life had such staying power because of bison
s nutrition and plentifulness, and the massive ammounts of plentiful rivers. that kind of diet is unreal levels of chad and the natives reflect that with their height and full jaws.

>>21483535
Let's see...

Europe got:
>Corn
>Potatoes
>Tomatoes
>Peppers
>Cacao
>Vanilla
>Tobacco
>Pineapples
>Beans
>Squash and Pumpkins
>Turkey
>Among others

The Americas got:
>Wheat
>Rice
>Barley
>Sugarcane
>Beef
>Pork
>Lamb
>Chickens
>Apples
>Pears
>Grapes
>Citrus Fruits
>Watermelons
>Among others

So it's an extremely autistic discussion because the cuisines of these countries would not exist without each other. They are so intrinsically linked it's impossible to separate them. No potatoes means no vodka, it's so intrinsically Russian it's hard to imagine Russia without it. No tomatoes means none of those delicious Italian sauces. No vanilla or chocolate and say goodbye to French pastries. No potatoes also means no Shepherd's Pie and I can't think of a more iconic English food. And I could go on all day.

Likewise, without pork or beef or chickens say goodbye to most cuisine in the Americas. No wheat you've got no more fucking bread. No grapes or barley means no wine or beer. It's even hard to imagine what a modern Inca or Aztec diet would look like, let alone the more primitive natives.

>>21483535
Let's see...

Europe got:
>Corn
>Potatoes
>Tomatoes
>Peppers
>Cacao
>Vanilla
>Tobacco
>Pineapples
>Beans
>Squash and Pumpkins
>Turkey
>Among others

The Americas got:
>Wheat
>Rice
>Barley
>Sugarcane
>Beef
>Pork
>Lamb
>Chickens
>Apples
>Pears
>Grapes
>Citrus Fruits
>Watermelons
>Among others

So it's an extremely autistic discussion because the cuisines of these countries would not exist without each other. They are so intrinsically linked it's impossible to separate them. No tomatoes means none of those delicious Italian sauces. No vanilla or chocolate and say goodbye to French pastries. No potatoes also means no Shepherd's Pie and I can't think of a more iconic English food. Potatoes are also so intrinsically linked to Russian cuisine it's hard to imagine Russia without them. And I could go on all day.

Likewise, without pork or beef or chickens say goodbye to most cuisine in the Americas. No wheat you've got no more fucking bread, just corn tortillas. No grapes or barley means no wine or beer. It's even hard to imagine what a modern Inca or Aztec diet would look like, let alone the more primitive natives.

>>21463312 (OP)
Fermented fish is good though.

>>21463480
>You know you're cucked as a country when your national cuisine includes spam stew and corn dogs
But that's good and tasty.

>>21467749
Literally nothing wrong with eating dogs. They're just animals.

>>21483590
>>21463480
Its not even their national dish. lol

>>21483593
go take a bite out of a dog's face right now

>>21483620
That makes no sense.

>>21483612
There's kimchi usually in budae jjigae. Shit's fire.

>>21463480
Your entire worldview and reality is a lie. That’s modernist food not American food.

>>21483620
The Koreans have a special dog breed called Nureongi for eating. Banned now in the South (only like two years ago lol) but still a delicacy in the North.

>>21482992
That was the old days when there was no refrigerator or water supply. I think the same thing happened in every country.
However, the food culture from ancient China, "Don't eat raw food and don't eat cold food," may have remained to some extent.

>>21483251
Is that a Japanese vegan family meal?

>>21484007
>missing the point
my man, you're over thinking things.

it took him a decade to make a shrimp omelet

>>21483648
>but still a delicacy in the North.
lol FOOD is a delicacy in the North. ANY FOOD.

>>21484013
Talking in larp makes you look stupid.

LMAO seething gook shills still mad, just accept that without China and Japan, gooks would still eating dog and live in a shitty mud hut just like niggers.
The gooks should be grateful that Japs and Chinks raped the shit out of them, supplementing their gene with superior ones.

>>21484141
>gooks = Korean
Thought "gooks" were any E Asian

>>21484141
Actually, it turns out that even your most prestigious school, The University of Tokyo, released their latest study scientifically proving that the Japanese are descend from Koreans as many already knew.

https://scitechdaily.com/who-are-the-japanese-new-dna-evidence-emerges-from-2000-year-old-genome/

https://www.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/en/press/10527/

But since this is a FOOD board, you should be aware that when these Koreans came over to what is now Japan, they didn't only bring their genetics and culture that seeded and founded Japan, but they also brought over their FOODS.

See the middle section of picrel. It shows the type of foods native Japanese ate before the Korean/Yayoi migration and how they went on to help shape Japan's culinary journey.

Also, please keep it about food and save the racism and agenda seeking for a different board.

>>21484484
>Thought "gooks" were any E Asian
Russia is also in Asia. I'm surprised that nobody was calling them "gooks" during the whole Ukraine propaganda thing that was going on here.

>>21484519
Geography != ethnicity

>>21482869
sushi maybe but nori is dried seaweed so no on that. i know they have their own version of fish sauce called padek. its truly nasty

>>21463312 (OP)
Cantonese dish known as "Three Squeaks" or "San Zhi Er," which involves eating live newborn mice dipped in sauce

>There are really people out there who "study" this dumb shit for like 90 years.

All that time for me to not like your nastyass uncooked sushi and order the teariyaki instead.

>>21484000
That could be it. From what she described despite having a lot of technology they were a weirdly backwards people. She was constantly being told leaving the fan on while she slept would kill her. Like they seriously believed it despite all logic.

>>21473105
I had a hankering for spam musubi last week and got sticker shock. It was over $4. The west has fallen.

>>21485406
Heh, all of Asia has weirdness or quirks.

There are some other weird things in Korea like eating seaweed soup before an exam is bad luck, and how they use chopsticks to eat cake.

In Japan you can't point your pillow north or it bring bad luck or leaving rice on your bowl is bad cause each grain of rice has 7 gods in it. And food wise, people think 'Umami' is some Japanese thing but its always been known in the west as 'Savoury'.

In China a lot of people still drink warm water thinking it has better health properties, slurping and burping is considered paying a compliment to how good the food is/was, and a lot of older people used to carry around walnuts in their pockets and roll it around their hand believing it would give better circulation.

In Singapore, some will tell you that its dangerous to eat Durian fruit during or after drinking a lot of alcohol as it can cause a heart attack.

Not all of these are universal and is dying out as newer generations take over but they still linger. There are unique quirks from all over the world and it makes cultures interesting.

>>21485708
Its closer to $6 near where I live on the west coast. Oh how America has fallen!

>>21485717
California? I'm in Oregon paying $4.19 (haha close to weed number).

>>21485724
Yeah, the Bay Area gets expensive. At least you guys don't have sales tax, right?

>>21485733
Right. Trivia: people who live in Vancouver, WA (no income tax) can cross the bridge to buy stuff in Portland (no sales tax) to double dip!

>>21485742
Fun fact: the Chinese owned hot springs hotel destroyed the hobo springs so people would stop going there for free and instead go to their hotel to enjoy the hot springs

>>21484515
And korea was just dumpground for ancient China for their undesirables, retards, criminals lol.
Just like New Orleans and Australia but for for worse subhuman.

>>21486164
If that were the case, Korean/Japanese and Chinese genetics would be far more similar. However, Chinese and Korea/Japanese have different genetics indicating different origins as noted in many studies.

But nice try again, chang. Stop trying so hard to fraud. Its seriously pathetic.

You guys were influenced by others way more than you influenced your two neighbors.

This especially goes for food.

>>21483574
french bread is a post columbian era product anyway, before then it was considered abyssmal

>>21483574
>No potatoes also means no Shepherd's Pie and I can't think of a more iconic English food.
>cant think of a more iconic english food
>Iconic english food
?????????

>>21484007
its called wa shoku, your post contains a lot of youshoku.

>>21463326
There is not a single authentic Chinese dish that I genuinely enjoy.
Maybe westernized won ton soup with lamb, beef, and chicken... Is that even Chinese? I don't even think you guys have a distinct sauce of note, soy sauce? Oyster sauce? Ponzu? Wait I don't think you guys can take credit for those either...
What's your best dishes?

>>21463357
I refuse to believe this one. Nobody's cooking with fucking diarrhea grease scooped up from the sewer.

>>21485711
The walnut and warm water thing is true, though. Or, at least, influential enough that they're both believed in Italy, where in from, to some degree. Really, it's any round things, not specifically walnuts, and room temperature water rather than specifically warm. It's believed that cold water can contribute to indigestion and belly cramps

>>21485711
>And food wise, people think 'Umami' is some Japanese thing but its always been known in the west as 'Savoury'.

Nice try there ESL friend. You know well by now the definition of savoury in English is nothing at all like the definition of umami the way ot is used in either language.

>>21486262
All of them are present Japanese food.
Also, potesara with mayonnaise and vinegared dishes with kanikama are not called wa shoku.

Japanese should be thankful the West introduced mayonnaise to them.
I can't believe they lost their mind over mayonnaise.

>>21485406
I think a similar custom took root in every country before the web became common.
It only changes the content depending on the difference of religion, custom, climate and so on.

>>21486584
Every country except America and a couple European ones are quite literally cargo cults

Just tribal savages that managed to survive until the iphone and USAID washed up on their beach

>>21486506
Not her, but your post is incorrect. Just thought I'd let you know, sis.

>>21486636
My post is absolutely correct you illiterate troll. There is a deep irony that the post was about stupid shit various orientals believe and then slips in this utterly idiotic statement that's been made over and over because apparently oriental stupidity is so wide spread it's impossible for them to learn what words mean.

Savoury refers to a very specific kind of flavour while umami is far more broad. Yes, a seasoned, roasted chicken is both savoury and umami. Cheesecake on the other hand is clearly and obviously umami but not savoury in any way. Peacan pie isn't savoury. A plain pecan isn't savoury. A chicken tender dipped in honey is not savoury. Tons and tons of things are clearly umami that are not at all savoury. In English, words have meanings that are specific. The meanings of savoury and umami aren't even similar let alone the same.

You "people" really are insufferably stupid and weirdly proud of it.

>>21486788
Then maybe umami is too broad a word. Recall that Singaporeans also refer to this as "carrot cake".

Umami is simply a matter of understanding inosinic acid, glutamic acid, guanylic acid and succinic acid.
And you just have to recognize how much is in which ingredients.

>>21487014
Umami is supposed to have a broad meaning. It is used to refer to the 5th major taste sensation along with salty, sweet, bitter and sour. That's why it encompasses a wide array of foods, like there are tons of different things that are sweet.

>>21486788
I think you are thinking of chocolate?
Regular cheese cake has heavy notes of salt and butter with less than a tbsp of sugar per slice.

>>21487053
Oh so it's like the word savory for English speakers.

>>21487014
Savoury on the other hand is much more specific. It refers solely to foods that are either salty or spicy and which are not sweet. Since there are obviously tons of umami foods that are sweet and even some that are not like plain peanut butter which is neither salty or spicy.

So savoury never has been and never will be anything close to a synonym for umami. The closest English word that did previously come close would be meaty, but it's also lacking.

>>21463312 (OP)
>>21463326
OP is right, which is why we should all take a moment to pay our respects to the mecca of true Chinese culture and cuisine.

Taiwan, the legitimate state which is heir to the legacy of the Han.

>>21487060
yeah it's lit. just savory, that's all it is. It indicates the presence of glutamates. Glutamates are most present in meats but are also heavy in things like mushrooms, seaweed etc.

>>21487071
you can twist into a ball in your hovel all you want english major, but ain't is a word, savoury is umami, and your degree will always be useless

>>21487055
Even with no sugar it would be umami

>>21487060
Weak troll bitch

>>21487082
Savoury and umami are completely different you illiterate piece of shit. Learn to read. Your clinging to ignorance is so fucking disgusting.

>>21467339
Probably $30+ in the US these days.

>>21487076
Taiwan has no cuisine of its own. Even less so than Korea honestly. All just rehashed southern Fujian cuisine, with some extra dishes borrowed and rehashed from Japan.

One of its best-known restaurants is Din Tai Fung, which has locations all around the world. What does it serve? Soup dumplings. Which were invented in the Shanghai area, LOL.

The one exception is boba. But fuck boba.

Bet you're also one of those retards who think Korean "food" is better in LA than in Korea itself.

>>21463660
2—————1—-4-3

>>21487431
2>4>3>1 (as the OP of both this and the OOP)

>>21487166
Correction, China has less than anyone in east asia since it's been well proven and documented in this thread how most Chinese foods are from other cultures. You changs just can't let it go can you? stop peddling foods taken from others and lying that its your own.

>>21487518
Taiwan is literally an Asian settler colony you dimwit

>>21487166
?
Aren't three cup chicken and hairy tofu Taiwanese originals? Hairy tofu fucks my head in. Stinky tofu (without the hair)? Fine. I like stinky tofu. Red yeast tofu? Weird, alcohol-y flavour but I enjoy it (really good mashed up and mixed with other things to use as a barbecue sauce). Hairy tofu? Nah, bro. Nah. Something about it turns my gag reflex on despite actually liking how it tastes.

>>21487656
>Hairy tofu (maodoufu)
Anhui according to Google

>Mao tofu has a long history in the Huizhou area, and there are some legends related to Zhu Yuanzhang, making it a local specialty food and cultural symbol.

>Three-cup chicken (sanbeiji)
Jiangxi according to Google

>According to legend, Three Cup Chicken first appeared in Jiangxi and was related to the national hero Wen Tianxiang.It is said that while Wen Tianxiang was imprisoned, a jailer cooked this dish for him using limited ingredients (a cup of rice wine, a cup of soy sauce, and a cup of sesame oil).
>The Hakka people brought the Three Cup Chicken recipe to Taiwan and improved it.Taiwanese three-cup chicken usually uses Taiwanese rice wine, black sesame oil (or sesame oil) and soy sauce, and adds basil to enhance the aroma.

>>21486357
You'd be fucking surprised. Gutter oil is michelin-star cuisine compared to pagpag, man.

>>21487570
Sure thing mainlander. Real China is in Taiwan, you are communist recreation even food.

>>21487693
>Hairy tofu (maodoufu)
>Anhui according to Google
Taiwanese have stinky tofu. Better then chinese style fuzzy mold tofu. Gross!

>Three-cup chicken (sanbeiji)
>Jiangxi according to Google
No! this is wrong. San Bei Ji is a Taiwanese staple and invented in Taiwan. Why do you trust google AI? It is known to be wrong.

You are simple american/western chinese who even struggles to understand Chinese history. Can you read Chinese let alone speak many of its dialects? All you have done in here is lie and get caught every time and it is embarrassing to your people. Do you have no shame? How did you lose your humanity like this?

>>21487845
Sanbeiji is at the fucking top

The list also includes Taiwan, and has these:

【台湾十大经典名菜】

凤梨苦瓜鸡

鸡仔猪肚鳖

荫豉蚵仔

咸蛋黄瓜仔肉

香菇肉羹

菜脯蛋

蚵仔面线

酥炸鸡卷

鱿鱼螺肉蒜

鲳鱼米粉

【台湾十大主题名宴】

千岁宴

台湾风情宴

龙王酒家宴

怀旧台菜宴

易牙宴

经典传家宴

洄澜山海宴

庙口小吃宴

蓝阳古早宴

埔里绍兴宴

>>21487867
that does not prove anything, foreign mainlander. mainlanders just lie about everything. there is no proof it was even invented in Jiangxi except for after it was already selling in Taiwan. No historical record exists but mainlander makes up lies all the time.

every post from mainlander here is fill with lies. why are they not human like this?

>>21487845
Damn bro, chill.
>>21487693
Fair enough. How do I get my body to stop rejecting hairy tofu?

Thread question: I haven't had saltfish fried rice in a long while. I don't know what fish to buy for it. Any recs?

>>21487875
I don't live in China. I don't even agree with 100% of things China does. I'm a US citizen who was born in the US and who respects many things about the US. I vote in US elections and participate in US civics. But at the same time, I also respect many things about China.

You cannot get me "deported", for there's nowhere to "deport" me to.

If I respected only things from the US and nothing from other countries, what am I left with? Native American stuff?

Even within China, I respect all ethnic groups, whether part of the official "56" or not, and their contributions are nothing short of admirable. But to claim that most of Chinese cuisine is derived from other cultures is fundamentally disrespectful towards Chinese history and civilization.

I'm here on my own volition, not because anyone else is paying me to say something or goading me into saying something.

>>21463357
that woman needs rape correction

>>21487909
of course mainlander lives outside of china like most mainlanders wish to do.

foreign mainlander, do not forget that you spread lie about San Bei Ji invented in Jiangxi. this is wrong but you say it gloatingly like arrogant pig. that is harmful to Taiwanese people and culture.

do not forget you mainlanders start this thread and lie in it from begining. this is your doing and I wash my hand clean from it.

what isn't a lie is your culture and history is just communist recreation and you do it with food too.

>>21487845
>>21487875
Also, having reviewed the original source... how the fuck am I supposed to trust a MEDICAL university on culinary history?

What's honestly pretty funny is that all of the sources "skeptical" of sanbeiji's Chinese origin I could find seem to have arisen during the 2020s, at which time Taiwan began mentally divorcing themselves from their Chinese roots and acting like they were their own grand civilization who deserved their own country. Literal 1984 shit.

BTW there's also another so-called "expert" named Alberto Grandi who claimed Italian cuisine didn't exist prior to World War II. His book's called "La Cucina Italiana Non Esiste", or "Italian Cuisine Doesn't Exist". His claims have stirred up much controversy among the expert community, but I'll leave it up to you to investigate!

>>21463312 (OP)
They arr rook same for a reason. Colonizers killed the original natives of Japan and just copied their cousins that stayed behind.

>>21487949
Oh, so now you're resorting to racism since racism's all you've got?

Come on man, I expected better from you.

>embarrassment
I honestly think you're the one who's feeling embarrassed, not me. You're just jealous that your white American civilization's only 250 years old, aren't you? (Or Australian, Canadian, etc.) If that's the case, then no need to make such a huge stink over it.

>Why do you trust google AI? It is known to be wrong.
Google AI cites its sources, and the sources can corroborate any of what I'm saying.

>Can you read Chinese let alone speak many of its dialects?
Yes, I can.

>>21487961
Wait, did you just admit you're a Chinese American?

>>21487964
Yes. Did I ever claim to be otherwise?

>>21487971
Excuse me and pardon me for chiming in like this but I just have to admit it: It was obvious to me from the very first post first lie that you were Chinese. I just wasn't sure if you were in Canada, US or Australia.

Anyway, carry on...

>>21487979
I beg you pardon, but WHO'S the liar here?

Show me the exact post in which I claim to be a Chinese person living in China.

And a pretty idiotic thing to lie about desu, considering 4chan is blocked in China and inaccessible without an illegal VPN!

>>21487656
Researched it myself

>>21487985
Chill out buddy. I didn't say you ever claimed to be in China. Your English made that obvious. I just knew you were Chinese is all, that was patently clear.

And no, 4chan is not blocked in China. That is a common myth from when 4chan used to use Google Captcha as Google services were blocked in China thus effectively keeping the Chinese out.

Since they stopped using Google Captcha that hasn't been true. Wow, even with this topic you're still spouting incorrect information.

Talk about being misinformed. Yikes!

>>21487996
Neat. Already asked but I'll ask again: I haven't had saltfish fried rice in a long while. I don't know what fish to buy for it.
Any recs?

>>21488001
You claimed otherwise literally one post up
>It was obvious to me from the very first post first lie that you were Chinese

>>21488001
I didn't know this, thanks for sharing.

Ideally it should be banned though. It doesn't follow China's rules. Therefore, if accessing 4chan in China, you're still breaking the law.

If I caught someone - even a family member - accessing 4chan in China, I'd report him (and the site) to the local authorities to get him punished. (Lord Bao showed no partiality to family members, even sentencing one of his own uncles to death for a crime.)

>>21488024
Yes, that you were Chinese in terms of your ethnicity, not geography or place of current residence.

>>21463312 (OP)
>without french influence, Italian food would be bad

>>21467339
16-18 dollaridoos here in Brazil

>>21488046
>without native american influence, literally every cuisine would be bad

>>21487909
>But to claim that most of Chinese cuisine is derived from other cultures is fundamentally disrespectful towards Chinese history and civilization.
Yet you came in here and lied about Japanese and Korean foods and disrespecting their history and civilizations.

Pathetic but expected from a chang.

>>21488067
How do you say the following in Japanese and Korean?
>2025
>university
>hospital
>government
>philosopher
>theology
>resurrection
>document
>lawyer
>harmony
>worship
>poison
>inflammation
>contradiction
>hypothalamus
>concatenation
>insurance
>labor
>weakness
>bureaucracy
>giraffe
>kingdom
>cellar
>post office
>impressive
>powerless
>abbreviation
>fraction
>relationship
>agriculture
>protest
>bankrupt
>microscope
>pirate
>chair
>travel
>efficiency
>drowning, reservoir, hydropower, archipelago (in a region with lots of water and many islands)
>mountaineering, altitude sickness, volcano, lava (in a region with many mountains and volcanoes)

Also a lot of these examples come from not only Chinese, but English. Yet Chinese has fewer English loanwords.

>>21488092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3laAXxtsULY
LOL! You changs really have no idea how to play this game do you?

>>21488046
Other way around, actually. Italians literally taught the French to cook.

>>21488114
OK and who made the characters?

Credit to Korea for coming up with Hangul, that was pretty genius of King Sejong. (There's a fringe theory that Hangul is actually from the Mongol-Tibetan Phags-pa script, but I don't endorse it.) But Japan wouldn't have any script if not for Chinese characters! Even hiragana and katakana are from cursive forms of Hanzi (kanji).

Oh yeah both Koreas getting rid of Hanzi (hanja) was pretty retarded of them. Disgraceful and shameful cultural erasure. Unfortunately seems to be the route the illegal Taiwanese government seems to be headed.

>>21488125
>Mongol-Tibetan Phags-pa
Phagspa just means language. It's cognate with IndoMalay bahasa, Thai/Lao P'hasa, Mon/Khmer p'heasa and Burmese bathskha.
Also, Mongolian and Tibetan aren't even remotely related languages.
You likely mean the horyig script, which was developed during Kublai's Khanate and meant to be used throughout the empire and certainly does look blocky but quite distinct from Hangul.
t. linguist specialising in linguistic emergence

>>21488125
Chang, you have utterly been making yourself a fool in this thread. Talk about seriously doing more harm than good to Chinese culture and history. If you kept your mouth shut most of the normies here would have just naturally assumed everything came from China but you just had to kick the hive, didn't you?

Btw, your pinyin, which is by far the most heavily used writing system in China today, both offline and online, is lifted off of works started by two Jesuits?

These Jesuits westernized alphabet writing of Chinese would influence the academics and leadership of China during the Qing period and raise the interest in adopting a different system. In fact, this happened! During the Qing dynasty (hey, its the Manchu's again! Anyone else notice a trend? LOL), they started seeking a phonetic writing system to replace the logographs used in China. The scholar who pushed this idea, guess where he got his influence for the creation? Thats right, FROM HIS TRIP TO JAPAN and after noticing their Kana syllabaries and mixed it with the Jesuit influence. Then that was given to three Chinese linguists who then formalized the with Pinyin system.

Thats right, even your dominate modern writing system is foreign influenced!

LOL

>>21488159
You're the only one making a fool of themselves

Pinyin is a Latin romanization system and no one's denied that

Christian presence in China also led to shit like the Boxer Rebellion which is why to this day China (rightfully in my opinion) remains suspicious of Abrahamic religion

>>21488144
Get your facts straight retard

According to Wiktionary, it comes from Tibetan "འཕགས་པ", meaning "noble".

Another name for it in Tibetan was "hor yig gsar pa", meaning "new Mongolian script", and which is where "horyig" comes from.

>>21488174
>Pinyin is a Latin romanization system and no one's denied that
Yes, thats my point. Thanks to the two Jesuits. LOL

Again, China is WAY more influenced itself than you wrongly and blatantly lie about it influencing everyone else.

China is synonymous with Lying. Its YOUR FOODS that are influenced and you shouldn't have tried to trick people into thinking it was the other way round.

>>21488175
>you're wrong!
>But what you said is right!
Aw. Sweet tard-kun being a tard.

>>21466253
china existed for 3000 years before manshit came along

>>21473147
indo-chinese food is southeast asian food

>>21488188
China has been conquered off and on by foreigners since even during the Three Kingdoms era. They picked up their masters influences since, including influences on their food.

>>21488195
Not really, there's only been two
They have a great record really, especially compared to the other early civs like Iraq and Egypt

>>21488707
Jurchens, Mongols, Manchus conquered you. Tibet and Xinjiang you guys annexed and claim as yours. Influence and cultural identities of these different peoples and cultures are now claimed as 'Chinese' today, including foods, but none of these people were ever han to begin with.

You guys are playing with a large deck of cards that weren't yours to start with but history doesn't forget no matter how much the CCP rewrites it on their end.

>>21488798
>Jurches, Manchus
Same thing and today both are part of China
>Mongols
They conquered most people
>Influence and cultural identities of these different peoples and cultures are now claimed as 'Chinese' today, including foods, but none of these people were ever han to begin with.
Chinese does not mean just Han, the Qing dynasty showed this
>You guys are playing with a large deck of cards that weren't yours to start with but history doesn't forget no matter how much the CCP rewrites it on their end.
The ccp haven't rewritten anything though
>Tibet and Xinjiang
Both annexed by the Qing dynasty first though

>>21488798
You're forgetting a lot of people but well Changs are delusional so you will never win

>>21488119
Which influence did Italy have on Escoffier?

>>21488798
>>21488801
>>21488800
Non-Chinese peoples who have colonized and influenced China's foods and cultures:
>Jurchens
>Jurchens Part II (aka, the Manchus)
>Mongols (and they did it TWICE)
>Khitans
>Shatuo Turks
>Xianbei
>Xiongun
None of these peopleswere never ethnic Chinese when they came and colonized you.
And this doesn't include all of the various nomadic tribes that did the same on a smaller scale all over China's territory and all over China's history.

All of these DISTINCT peoples brought their own cultures and foods and integrated them into the broader China we know today. They have contributed to shaping not only the image of China and its culture, but the customs and traditions and styles and cooking methods of Chinese foods.

So as we keep saying, Chinese were INFLUENCED in WAY MORE WAYS in terms of their customs and cultures than they ever influenced their neighbors--especially their foods!

So stop trying to peddle whats not China's to begin with as Chinas! I don't give a damn if you think just because these peoples and empires died out or left doesn't mean their impact fizzled out. The China and its foods you boast of today is built off these peoples. PERIOD!

>>21488802
Considering Catherine de Medici brought her Italian cooks with her to France after marrying the Duke of Orleans because it was a well-known fact at the time that the French couldn't cook for shit and that all this happened long before Escoffier was even a tickle in his daddy's sack, I'd say "literally fucking everything."
France gets more recognition because they were the first to codify cooking rules.

>>21488824
>Jurchens
>Jurchens Part II
Manchus mostly ate dairy and gamey meat, neither of which is popular in China
The gamey taste in Chinese cuisine especially is considered undesirable
They only influence Imperial court cuisine maybe which is restricted within the Imperial palace and never trickered down to normal Chinese cuisine
>Mongols (and they did it TWICE)
Twice? Source? Same as manchu especially since most Han Chinese are lactose intolerant, they wouldn't like Mongolian food which is largely boiled meat
>Khitans
What did they add? Noodles was invented during the Han dynasty and wheat was cultivated more than 2 thousand years befo that
>Shatuo Turks
They got Sinicized not the other way round
>Xianbei
>Xiongun
They only raided and weren't particular successful at that
It's funny how people were claiming that minorities had this big influence but couldn't name any

>>21488838
>MORE LIES AND THE SAME LIES AS BEFORE
>>21470147
and before you go back to your 'icy permafrost tundra cope' >>21473065

Also, the earliest WRITTEN account of noodles traces back to the HAN period because written accounts from earlier periods is rare to find or so damaged/deteriorated that is impossible to study, but archaeological discoveries place it MUCH further back to neolithic era china.

And this come from the Chinese Academy of Science.

SEETHE AND COPE, CHANG

>>21488854
I think you (you)d the wrong anon

>>21488872
nawh, pointing to the earlier post where this shit was rehashed before and can be reread from there again.

>>21470147
Most of the dishes in that pic are chicken/cauliflower manchurian which is an Indian Chinese made dish

>>21488979
even more evidence for the case against dm manchu goatfuckers having a real cuisine

>>21488989
>I respect all ethnic groups, whether part of the official "56" or not, and their contributions are nothing short of admirable.

>manchu goatfuckers [lack] a real cuisine

the duality of man