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Anonymous No.21549800 >>21549804 >>21549830 >>21549898 >>21550023 >>21550070 >>21550162 >>21550209 >>21550634 >>21552041 >>21552663 >>21553825 >>21556342 >>21557861 >>21557938 >>21557976 >>21558012 >>21558133 >>21558148 >>21559735 >>21559858 >>21560912
Why is baking so hard even if I am good at "regular cooking"?
I can't for my life bake a damn cheesecake while I can nail a perfect medium rare steak. Is this an inherited ability thing?
Anonymous No.21549803 >>21549810 >>21552689
Are you accurately measuring shit? Doesn't matter at all for cooking but it's extremely important for baking.
Anonymous No.21549804 >>21549808 >>21549890 >>21550622
>>21549800 (OP)
>Anime
Someone check this men's hard drive
Anonymous No.21549808 >>21550171
>>21549804
every accusation is a concession

Anyways make sure your recipes are from local sources, changes in elevation and humidity can mess with any good recipe.
Anonymous No.21549809
Also measure by weight scale and not with measuring cups alone. Sift your flour, etc.
Anonymous No.21549810 >>21549818 >>21549833 >>21550013 >>21550127 >>21552126 >>21556350 >>21557913
>>21549803
>Are you accurately measuring shit?
That is the weirdest thing, measurement and sweetness are fine but I have the problem that I can't figure out the right baking timing or maybe my oven is possessed. The other day tried for practice classic apple pie and guess what bottom burnt while the center was gooey.
Anonymous No.21549818 >>21549824
>>21549810
Convection oven or no?
Anonymous No.21549824
>>21549818
It's an old oven but yeah it does have the convection mode albeit I only use it for heating frozen stuff.
Anonymous No.21549830 >>21550129 >>21550168
>>21549800 (OP)
>lust provoking image
Anonymous No.21549833 >>21549843
>>21549810
What did you bake it in and do you have a thermometer that can survive being in your oven?
Anonymous No.21549843 >>21549846 >>21550070 >>21550629
>>21549833
Nothing weird, just didn't use a premade crust but did a base from scratch(water, butter, flour, sugar, salt etc) from a recipe and filled it with apples, sugar, cinnamon.
>Thermometer
Don't have one, never used one for cooking.
Anonymous No.21549846 >>21549854
>>21549843
>Nothing weird, just didn't use a premade crust but did a base from scratch
What question did you think you were answering with this?
Anonymous No.21549854 >>21550629
>>21549846
>What question did you think you were answering with this?
He asked on what I made it, you are aware there are pie bases sold out there right? I clarified that I made it from scratch.
Anonymous No.21549890 >>21550168
>>21549804
>this men's hard drive
How about learning how to speak english first? Brownie.
Anonymous No.21549898
>>21549800 (OP)
It’s the opposite for me. I hate cooking because there’s so much timing and subjectivity in order to do it right meanwhile baking is just throwing precise amounts of ingredients together and putting it in the oven
Anonymous No.21550013 >>21550022
>>21549810
Get both an oven thermometer and a thermapen to check the goods themselves.
I did and my baking results have been night and day since, turns out my oven's temp was WAY the fuck off the entire time. Also the baking times in recipes are usually way off even in good baking books in my experience, hence a thermapen to check. imo the "pointy thing comes out clean" test isn't very reliable since many baked goods are too variable in hydration and fat content
Anonymous No.21550022 >>21550031
>>21550013
It's for comparing across multiple iterations of the same product. It's not expected to have the same result if you're jabbing a pie versus a cake versus a flan versus a really greasy cake versus whatever.
Anonymous No.21550023
>>21549800 (OP)
Most forms of cooking are a practice. There are little cheats and cute tricks you can do like poking the meat and seeing how it rebounds or whatever to know if it's cooked correctly, and a lot of things just don't require much precision. Baking is a science. If you don't own and know how to use a full complement of scientific implements, including a hygrometer, barometer, microgram-precision scale with a rigorous calibration schedule, etc., then you will never achieve baking perfection.
Anonymous No.21550031
>>21550022
yeah that's pretty much what I said
kind of useless overall
Anonymous No.21550070
>>21549800 (OP)
>>21549843
sex
Anonymous No.21550127 >>21550152
>>21549810
you need an oven thermometer for baking.
most home ovens are off temp. the range is about a 20 degree swing in both directions.
Anonymous No.21550129
>>21549830
tranime is not lust provoking unless you're a weirdo.
Anonymous No.21550152 >>21550159 >>21550264 >>21558638
>>21550127
>you need an oven thermometer for baking.
>most home ovens are off temp. the range is about a 20 degree swing in both directions.
You are right and I'm aware of it but what would be a good way to know what is an oven's negligable temp difference to adjust to my cooking? Sounds autistic I know but I just refuse to rely on thermometers. Great gran would be mad.
Anonymous No.21550159 >>21550163
>>21550152
>what would be a good way to know what is an oven's negligable temp difference to adjust to my cooking?
Using an oven thermometer
My oven is some cheap cunt bullshit from the 70s-80s and the temperature is off from the dial by like 80F, I'm still kicking myself for not having tested it way sooner.
Anonymous No.21550162
>>21549800 (OP)
Baking is impossible to fuck up, it's literally the paint by numbers of cooking. You have to be genuinely suffering severe mental deficiencies.
Anonymous No.21550163 >>21550170
>>21550159
>I'm still kicking myself for not having tested it way sooner.
What did you do? Calibrate it? Because I think mine's thermo is fucked for the same reason as what you are saying.
Anonymous No.21550168 >>21550173 >>21550197 >>21550249
>>21549830
Why do you want to fuck children? Did one of mom's many boyfriends diddle you while she was at "work"?

>>21549890
>speak english
>obsessed with jap kiddie cartoons requiring subtitles
Anonymous No.21550170
>>21550163
just tied an oven thermometer to the rack with some stainless steel wire I had laying around and use that as reference regardless of what the dial is showing.
Probably gonna replace the oven in the next few years anyway, it's working well enough for the time being even if it's silly
Anonymous No.21550171 >>21550220
>>21549808
>every accusation is a concession
thinly veiled antisemitism.
Anonymous No.21550173 >>21550179
>>21550168
>Why do you want to fuck children? Did one of mom's many boyfriends diddle you while she was at "work"?
every accusation is a concession
Anonymous No.21550179
>>21550173
thinly veiled antisemitism.
Anonymous No.21550197
>>21550168
Bitch you don't even know the difference between singular and plural. Have a nice day.
Anonymous No.21550209
>>21549800 (OP)
>Why is baking so hard even if I am good at "regular cooking"?

Baking is chemistry. Nothing in baking is arbitrary.
Something as innocuous as a marginally wrong measurement, an ingredient that's too hot or too cold, stirring too much or too little, humidity, noise, can all fundamentally compromise the process and fuck up what you're doing. The other day I learned whisking crepes for just a few seconds too long makes them rubbery.
Anonymous No.21550220
>>21550171
adequately filtered farts
Anonymous No.21550249
>>21550168
>children
>Juvia Locksar: 17y/o tradwife with a husband
You troons have can at least try doing your homework.
Anonymous No.21550264
>>21550152
> I just refuse to rely on thermometers.
lol that is the problem with cooks trying to bake. Batter does not care about your feelings. It's precision work, measure.
Anonymous No.21550293 >>21550634 >>21552703
Bro thinks cooking a steak is "good at cooking"
Anonymous No.21550622
>>21549804
>this men's
inshallah, faggot
Anonymous No.21550629
>>21549843
>>21549854
no, he asked what you baked it in, i.e. what is the material of the container you baked the pie in? glass? ceramic? aluminum? cast iron?
Anonymous No.21550634 >>21552063
>>21549800 (OP)
Patisserie is the hardest cooking skill.
I don't know why you are surprised by this.
It's the last skill cooks learn to master, the highest level of cooking.
Usually the good pastry chefs need to go to a special school to acquire it.

When people say French cuisine is amazing, part of the reason is the fact that they are the best at the hardest cooking type. And pic related is probably the hardest pastry to cook bar none, as simple as it looks.

>>21550293
Cooking steak is also an art form. With not such a high skill floor as patisserie but a high ceiling.
Anonymous No.21552041 >>21552060
>>21549800 (OP)
I have a similar problem where cooking is fine for me, and most baking too, but anything that involves yeast just dies in my hands, no matter what I do. I genuinly feel like a retard because I can't bake even the simplest bread.
Anonymous No.21552060 >>21554006
>>21552041
tell me what you do when trying to make bread from an objective standpoint in excruciating detail and I might be able to help you
Anonymous No.21552063 >>21552135
>>21550634
A curious skill to devote ones life to.
Yes you give joy to others, but also diabetes.
Anonymous No.21552126
>>21549810
My oven is broken and has 1 heat setting: 500 degrees F. It took me a few burnt things to realize it was fucked and confirmed it with a thermometer in the oven. I rent so I dont care and just started to cook in a toaster oven instead. Like you, I rarely if ever bake stuff.
Anonymous No.21552135
>>21552063
You can enjoy something without gorging yourself on it.
Anonymous No.21552663
>>21549800 (OP)
>why can I not beat a grandmaster at chess when I can win or draw every time I play tic tac toe?
I dunno man, that's a real thinker. Steak is piss easy to cook dumbfuck.
Anonymous No.21552689 >>21557874
>>21549803
>measuring
>in a cheesecake
Anonymous No.21552703
>>21550293
lmao this
Anonymous No.21553825
>>21549800 (OP)
>I can't for my life bake a damn cheesecake
how shitty are you? we used to make them at christmas time and turned them out perfect one after another.
Anonymous No.21554006 >>21554147 >>21554724
>>21552060
I feel like I've tried everything, honestly. Followed multiple different styles of recipe, and even when the buns rose like they should, the loaf still tasted like yeast. Some times the dough would even collapse while baking in the oven.
Anonymous No.21554147
>>21554006
I asked you to describe objectively and in detail for a reason. I can't help you if all the info you provide is inane whining with a toddler-tier persecution complex. Are you the anon who did the exact same thing in another baking thread a month or so ago?
Anonymous No.21554724 >>21558551
>>21554006
how much yeast did you use cabron
Anonymous No.21556342 >>21558643 >>21559884
>>21549800 (OP)
Don't use cheesecake recipes that only use 1 brick of cream cheese
Sour cream/yogurt is good
A little white chocolate is good
If you add pumpkin or chocolate or another liquid, sub out some of the heavy cream by weight. you need to balance the thickness and fat %.
the batter should be pretty runny, medium-thin ribbons is fine. If you're getting thick ribbons, you need more heavy cream. don't use milk.
Use a water bath. apparently you're supposed to make the water hot. I've always used cold and never noticed an issue. Use a kettle if you have one, or hottest tap water to fill a tray with your cheesecake tin in it.
The cheesecake pro tip: 350 for 30 minutes, 325 for 25 minutes, 150f for 10 minutes. Then turn off the oven, wait 10 minutes, crack the oven door open, wait another 10 minutes, then take out. it should be room temp-ish now. NOW it is ready for the fridge for 8+ hours. you want a slight wobble in the center by the time it's done cooking. The outer 2" shouldn't move when you jiggle the pan, just the center. It should be slightly puffy, but not like cotton cheesecake puffy. It will collapse in the fridge and if you don't do the temperatures right. It needs to cool down very slowly from 325 to room temp. Any large jump in temps will cause the structure to collapse and cracks on top form. My method gives you a very tall, smooth, uncracked cheesecake.
My recipe is on my phone and I've adjusted it over the years. I use a 4" tall 9"w cake tin, removable bottom. 15$ on amazon.
Anonymous No.21556350 >>21558643
>>21549810
If you use convection fan setting, reduce the temp by 25f. You can get uneven bakes if your temps are too high.
Use bottom rack if top rack turned out bad. It's closer to the boiler.

Did you parbake the crust? If the edges are burning, you can put a foil crust protector on halfway through, or get a crust saver on amazon. Just wrap foil around the edges so they don't burn, if the filling needs a really high bake time.
Parkbaking beforehand makes crust "unburnable" to an extent. It seems excessive, but a 20 minute parbake, egg/milk wash, then another 50 minutes in the oven to cook the filling will still leave you with a golden brown crust.
Anonymous No.21557861
>>21549800 (OP)
no dying
Anonymous No.21557874
>>21552689
Yes
Anonymous No.21557913 >>21558643
>>21549810
Are you at a particularly high altitude? https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/learn/resources/high-altitude-baking
Anonymous No.21557938 >>21557952
>>21549800 (OP)
>Why is baking so hard
It's not hard it's easy.
Anonymous No.21557952 >>21557978 >>21557999
>>21557938
>off by 7 microns of baking soda's in you're path
>instead of a cake you basically made a giant dense muffin
i respect bakers since they all must have a patience only matched by saints
Anonymous No.21557976 >>21558643
>>21549800 (OP)
This is the King Arthur easy cheesecake recipe in a nutshell

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/easy-cheesecake-recipe

Make crust and line pie pan with crust
Make filling in stand mixer
Pour the filling
Bake
Also,
>I can make really good steak
You can apply heat to a cut of meat?
Wow
Anonymous No.21557978 >>21558022
>>21557952
>baking soda
grim
Anonymous No.21557999
>>21557952
>off by 7 microns
Microns?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Step 1: Buy a fucking scale
Step 2: Measure all ingredients in grams, like professionals do
Anonymous No.21558012
>>21549800 (OP)
Baking is fucking easy.
Just follow the fucking recipe.
Follow it EXACTLY.
If you fuck up baking its because you tried to eyeball a measurement, cut corners or substitute something.
Anonymous No.21558022
>>21557978
i know, back in my day we used to drink soda, now we got faggots baking with them!
Anonymous No.21558053
You need a better recipe probably.
Anonymous No.21558123
Baking is literally chemistry.
Measurements and time management are key.
Anonymous No.21558133 >>21558643
>>21549800 (OP)
You've probably cooked a lot more steaks and steak-like things than you have cheesecakes. Get a digital scale and be smarter than the anime getting creampied for four days now on repeat.
Anonymous No.21558148 >>21558623 >>21558643
>>21549800 (OP)
You are cooking by the book, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD71JeX4Vk0
Anonymous No.21558551
>>21554724
The amount that the yeast packet said to use for the amount of flour I baked with. Don't recall what that was, because I haven't bought yeast in a while.
Anonymous No.21558623
>>21558148
You posted the wrong version, anon
https://youtu.be/YUT22fHzGYA?si=QInxcYcsknbqIkrF
Anonymous No.21558638
>>21550152
Here's the deal - you don't need to always have it in there, just for your preheat and when it stabilizes. The thermo will tell you what the bias is. You set for 350, it reads 370 in the center rack - you know your oven is 20 deg hotter than advertised, and can now adjust accordingly. No need for it after that.

Also check the oven's probe - it might be covered in shit if you have a rental/preowned. Clean that sucker off if dirty, it will make the readings closer. Usually it's a little stub of metal at the back or side, depending on the model.
Anonymous No.21558643 >>21559757
>>21556342
>Don't use cheesecake recipes that only use 1 brick of cream cheese
I tried both using less and full brick I think it's the oven
>>21556350
>Use bottom rack if top rack turned out bad. It's closer to the boiler.
Will try that might be what I did wrong
>>21557913
wtf
No, I'm more or less slightly above but man this is next level.
>>21557976
That is the one I tried, it's really nothing complicated so I believe it's either the oven or the rack position like the other anon said
>>21558133
>smarter than the anime getting creampied for four days now on repeat.
Obsessed
>>21558148
Based Lazy Town poster
Anonymous No.21559735 >>21559748
>>21549800 (OP)
Funny you should say that I just baked my first cheesecake yesterday and it was a bit of a disaster. I didn’t know anything about cheesecakes before I started. I had a few problems:
Wrapping the spring form in foil was not enough to stop the water from getting in and making the crust soggy
350f was wayyy too high. I’m going to try 300-325 next time (yes I have an oven thermometer and it was exactly 350)
The 12 inch spring form I have is too large and I don’t have a roasting pan big enough to do a 1 inch water bath so I had to do a shallow water bath with a cookie sheet. I’ll have to get a smaller spring form (9 or 10 inch)

If I figure out a way to seal the spring form pan better next time, bake at a lower temp in a smaller pan with a 1 inch water bath I think it’ll come out perfect. The texture and flavor is perfect. I will make a fresh raspberry sauce later today and have this for dessert tonight.
Anonymous No.21559748 >>21559884
>>21559735
Here is a picture after 50 minutes at 350 degrees. I figured since that was on the low end of the recipe bake time it’d be ok to check it then but it was already fucked. Part of that may be that I had to use a 12 inch spring form which made the filling more shallow. Idk. I’ll do it right next time. This was my recipe, if anyone has a better one let me know.
https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/classic-cheesecake/
Anonymous No.21559757
>>21558643
>obsessed
A guy can't make a joke about a repeating gif of a silly anime character getting facialed in the OP of a thread that's lasted for a few days now?
And am I wrong or do you just objectively have much more experience cooking steaks and other meats than you do cheesecake specifically? Because that is a factor and practice is just something that you need to do when you're cooking something new, dummy.
Anonymous No.21559858
>>21549800 (OP)
Because baking is more about chemistry which needs exact measurements and temperatures.
Anonymous No.21559884 >>21559994
>>21559748
reduce the temps halfway like >>21556342
Anonymous No.21559994 >>21560206
>>21559884
Yeah I’ll try that next time. I was just pissed off yesterday because my 80 year old mother was cold and turned the ac off and it was 90 fucking degrees in our kitchen with the oven running. So I went to the park and had some ciggies instead of watching the cake. I need to buy a 10 inch springform from Amazon though.

How long do you guys normally mix your batter for? I did my original creaming of the cheese and sugar for 2 minutes at setting 5 on my kitchen aid. It seemed like it came together after 1 minute, but I’m not sure if it would have been lumpy. Obviously the less you mix it the better texture it’s going to have, so I’m wondering if I can get away with one minute. After I added the eggs I only mixed for maybe 5 seconds per egg on setting 4. I’m using the paddle attachment.
Anonymous No.21560206 >>21560282
>>21559994
there's no such thing as overmixing with cheesecake better at any stage. it becomes homogenous, then you move to the next ingredient. repeat. I do recommend 1 egg at a time, it's important not to drown it.
And make sure the cream cheese isn't still cold or hard.
Anonymous No.21560282
>>21560206
Why does everyone say not to overmix or it’ll introduce too much air, then? Or is that only after you mix the eggs in? Anyway I did them one at a time.
Anonymous No.21560912
>>21549800 (OP)
oven temperatures vary and it's hard to really gauge if things are going right while you're baking.

When you're cooking you can adjust things as you go. You can't do that while baking most of the time.