It's currently bombing

https://deadline.com/2025/06/box-office-28-years-later-elio-dragon-1236438207/

>>149080635 (OP)
The one pedophile who wants to convince /co/ that this movie is actually good is not going to take this well.

This movie was in production for like six years and went through a bunch of re-writes lol what a waste of time.

>>149080710
el monstruo..

>>149080635 (OP)
Goodbye all non-IP sequel films from a Disney and Pixar

>>149080781
Maybe if they actually made some good shit it'd be different. Its a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>149080781
Pixar has two more original IPs in the works tho.

>>149080781
good fucking riddance if they would keep looking like this

>>149080781
ONE Pixar original movie flopping doesn't really mean the end of ALL Pixar original movies, though. After all, The Good Dinosaur's weak run didn't stop Pixar from producing NINE other original movies. If anything, it's just shows that the batting average for Pixar original movies isn't as good as it once was (The Good Dinosaur, Lightyear).

>>149080821
This.

>>149080714
Source?

>>149080635 (OP)
It's crazy how much nothing there is from Disney these days.
It's not even agrevatingly bad, it's just like who gives a fuck about this movie?

Lilo and Stitch had more appealing designs for both aliens and humans, the real one btw not the other one.
No need for 3d Pixar blah blah blah just clear art direction with the workforce, craftsmanship and cash to back it.

Like, who gives a fuck what this company makes anymore?

>>149080635 (OP)
Hahaha pedos and Disney adults btfo. Pixar is destined to just do bad sequels now

>>149080635 (OP)
Why does he sit like that

>>149081132
onions

>>149081132
generational trauma

>>149080841
>no beach episode

>>149081132
Idk but looks kinda cute...

>>149080710
Saved from last thread

why do they expect people to watch movies that they don't advertise?

>>149080635 (OP)
good
I praying for Disney's bankruptcy

>>149080961
>One
The last Disney/Pixar film that wasn’t a sequel and didn’t bomb in the box office was Coco back in 2017.

>>149080710
I have a strong need to post la luz extinguido but bloody hell this is just sad.

>>149080635 (OP)
It'll have great holds from week to week like Elemental

>>149080710
DK
DONKEY KONG
DK
DONKEY KONGS HERE

should I know who tf these two cocksleeves are?

>>149080635 (OP)
As it should.

>>149081755
Domee is my gf.

I've never heard of this lmao

>>149081780
ah shes one of THOSE asian girls

>>149080635 (OP)
Gee I wonder why

>>149081780
my condolences

>>149081132
Because that is how weak and effeminate men sit desu!

>>149080781
Not really a huge loss when each and every original movie they make is just bad.

>>149080635 (OP)
Might help if I saw any ads or a synopsis for it.
All I can guess is that the main character is probably named Elio
Everytime I scroll past it in the catalog I remind myself that it isn't Luca, a movie I also didn't see

>>149081001
That has been their problem since about 2018 or so. Everything looks really bland the story looks like it's really nothing at all. Like everyone in the entire production could not give a shit and just sort of half assed their way through to completion.

>>149080710
>sŏy más blanco que tu

>>149080635 (OP)
Disney seems to not have much faith in it or bother advertising it much. They will never give me any idea of what is going on. Every single poster and preview is the same thing. Some weird looking kid with an eyepatch staring up at the sky. That tells me nothing. I get no impression that this is something I would want to see.

>make a movie that looks gay and lame
>be surprised when said gay and lame movie bombs
>be surprised and enraged people dont like gay and lame movies
this industry man..oh i mean this industry mxn...

>>149080635 (OP)
I did not even know this was out yet, I thought it was coming out next year.

>>149081882
>autist spilling his 'tism again
this website mxn, oh I mean this website man...

>>149080635 (OP)
Its not bad but I think I would have enjoyed the original version more. The idea of a boy having to pretend and lie to survive in space, making friends with the supervillain and all that jazz, it would have been more engaging. Instead of the bad slug mech just being a bully and the rest of the aliens being in love with Elio from the start
>>149080781
To be fair we have Hoppers next year and a Flow type movie for 2027 named Gato, so at least we have more originals for 2 more years. By 2028 it may be joever though.

>>149081882
>gay and lame
There are no gays in the film, and the protagonist is male. Its literally what you asked for Cartman.

>>149081132
>>149081145
>>149081820
he has skill issues, sitting like that requires an aura of masculinity to not look faggy

someone fire domee shit

>>149080635 (OP)
So did no one actually read the article?

>>149081966
it looks gay and lame, the character designs just suck. sure the detail and colors is nice but the designs are lame
>>149081931
'tism website
'tism board

>>149081132
Maybe his butt hurts.

>>149080635 (OP)
>castingcouch

>>149081780
Dear god this art looks disgusting. This was made by the DIRECTOR of this film? How miserable.

>>149081882
Gay and lame people rage at the general public not fucking adoring gay and lame movies. Then triple down and make gayer and lamer movies to own the chuds.

>>149080635 (OP)
Weird how people seem to not want to waste money on a movie about an odd looking autistic kid being a goofy alien obsessed freak and have panic attacks....

>>149080635 (OP)
I saw it Wednesday, and it was a good movie. Easily a 9/10. However, not like it's a super big deal, but they said it would have a blooper reel at the end and there wasn't anything. Kinda annoying.

>>149082140
she's quirkyy

>>149080781
Would it matter? It would just be more of the same thing they are making now that people do not really care for in the first place.

Movies used to be about a cool looking hero or pretty princess going on some huge adventure and stopping a bad guy and making cute animal friends.
Now they are about a weird autistic or very LGBT coded kid having generational trauma, or hyper focusing on mental health while they don't really have an adventure or stop a villain, they are just quirky and make pop culture references for a couple hours. While the whole movie has some messages about
>This kid is just like YOU! They're chubby, ugly, weird and everyone in their class makes fun of them!!

Maybe most audiences don't want to see self reflection in an intentionally unlikable character, and waste time on 2 hours of messages of acceptance and awareness raising.

The biggest most successful movies in cinema history were over the top grand scale adventures with lots of huge visuals and an antagonist for the characters to overcome. Now all anyone wants to make are Director self inserts demanding apology for their parents/grandparents treating them badly, or a soap box to make demands for acceptance in some way. People want the escapism. They are not interested in autistic kids having panic attacks, that's not great entertainment. They will give lip service and say that it's wonderful and amazing that someone will make a movie to raise awareness, but at the end of the day they will not put forth their own money to it or want to even bother watching it because it's not entertainment. People want the mind numbing popcorn flicks and choose those over the director societal preaching every time.

>>149008796
>Olga (that's the aunt's name) and Elio break into the base using clone!Elio (who is now behaving like a retired actor, very funny) as a distraction.
Did anon see a different version of the movie? The one I saw had him trying to be scary, not like a retired actor.

>>149080635 (OP)
The trailer gave away the entire movie.

>>149082053
From what?

>>149082318
so it's a nothing movie

>>149082329

>>149081246
>>149080710
The basedjak is somehow more flattering

>>149082297
It's a film about a kid being abducted by aliens, accidentally becoming an intergalactic ambassador, and bringing peace by helping and warlord and his son reconcile. Complain about its quality all you want but it is objectively a film about a kid going on some huge adventure and stopping a bad guy.

>>149080841
>raised eyebrow
>half-closed eyes
>tilted bean mouth

what fucking idiot thought they should be making the same shitty face in their promo art

>>149080635 (OP)
He cute tho.

>>149080710
Deos meo...

>>149082392
The jak looks like something Carl Barks would draw.

>>149082551
The design is fine as long as it's not in profile.

>>149082383

>>149080635 (OP)
This reminds me, whatever became of Shadman?

>>149082785
Sex change.

>>149080635 (OP)
Every poster and clip makes me really think this was created by a pedo

>>149080635 (OP)
Fake and Gay review. Nice Try.

Elio is many amazing reviews!!!!

>>149082329
Diarrhea. Never eat alien food.

>>149080710

Sad. The movie is actually quite good.

>>149081665
Back to old TV as I'm in a hotel for a while, watching mostly FX, it gets advertised to all fuck and back there.
Maybe they blundered hard and simply didn't put the ad bucks into places people (and kids) actually watch.

>>149083051
fucking kek

>>149081755
So this movie actually Turning Red: Remenstruated.
No wonder it's tanking.
Why did they repeat the exact same mistake just three years later?

>>149080710
NGL, this looks awkward as hell as for a big-budget Pixar movie.

>>149081246
Imagine Pixar employees pouring so much time, energy, and money into designing Elio, only for a meme like this to spring up from an awkward profile angle from this movie. Now, said meme will likely be spammed and mocked over and over and over again.

>>149080635 (OP)
>>149080841
So, this is what a CGI Steven Universe would look like.

>>149081780
idgi
She has an actual snout irl and she...breathes funny?? Or is she disgusted by her ugly white boyfriend?
Are these common Asian wamen problems?

>>149080710

>>149083457
aznmasculinity called, your janny shifts starts soon

>>149081665
I saw ads everywhere, my Roku had constant ads on the side for it, they aired ads during hockey on TNT (not even owned by Disney) they kept advertising the movie during movies on Freeform (owned by Disney)

>>149080710
What's with Pixar making non-Whites so ugly? Is it like a tumblr overdose thing where it ends up being just as racist. Like rebecca sugars "can't read" black woman drawing.

>>149080710
DK BANANZA looking good, bros

>>149082297
truth nuke
>>149082473
That's just salad dressing to disguise the real message of the movie

>>149080710
3d CAN cheat angles by swapping out the models, they clearly didn't give a shit.

https://litter.catbox.moe/kackunutu5b7ncvt.pdf
here's an old draft of the artbook from the Molina version of the movie

>>149082823
I believe you.

I blame the Bao bitch for Elio's snout. I don't get why she insists on drawing herself and other non-white people with a muzzle. She's Asian, her face is flatter than a pug's.

>>149080710
This is like when you make a character in a video game, but you never actually rotated the face enough and find out they look like a fucked up little goblin creature when you actually start the game.

>>149084088
bao ruined pixar forever

>>149084088
shes one of those self hating asians that exclusively fucks white boys

>>149084127
to be fair that's at least 60% of Asian women in the west.

>>149080710
dios mio.... el ogro de las americas.....

>>149084029
>It's Steven Universe, but with less rocks.

everyone in this thread is missing out on Lord Grigon who is exactly the sort of shit that 4chan would think is cool

>>149080710
One frame, one perfect synopsis

why can't we have good looking humans anymore
why can't we have more people that look like people
pixar can still do it right?

>>149084029
Wow, Juliette's concept for Elio was so gay that it had to be removed from the artbook.

>>149080710
>>149081753

>>149082297
Nah, I've got a bit of an objection to this. That kind of "damaged and not at the top of their game" character can be genuinely great.
In the more down-to-Earth, take place in our world, movies and stories that they typically function in which allow us a look into their lives without needing to worry about diverting time away from that to show off all kinds of worldbuilding.
The first Rocky, right? Imagine if it was some kind of fucking space boxing where the combatants put on power armor on and everyone made smug quips every two seconds. It'd serve little more purpose than detracting from the core underdog story about a guy down on his luck deciding to risk it all and go the distance.
Down to Earth storytelling requires a down-to-Earth approach, even when you're dealing with something like fantasy or sci-fi, pretty much anyone whose good at it has a steady idea of what the real world fucking looks like. These people don't, they wanna be big and mature and thought provoking but then suddenly it's just a cry for help about how mom and dad treated them and they go on this big fantasy adventure where the resolution was "and mom and dad learn just how wrong they were about me."

>>149084368
>Handsome ripped athlete overcomes all odds and becomes a famous champion and gets the girl in an almost dream-like fairytale story.
Did you even watch Rocky? It's everything that anon was talking about. It had good looking characters in an escapist fantasy that had them literally escaping a dull nothing life in a shit neighborhood of Philly after trying to overcome an adversary.

Meanwhile modern movies tend to star intentionally not good looking characters that suffer from a series of mental traumas in a very very thinly veiled speech about acceptance and generational trauma.

>>149084368
>Down to Earth storytelling requires a down-to-Earth approach, even when you're dealing with something like fantasy or sci-fi, pretty much anyone whose good at it has a steady idea of what the real world fucking looks like. These people don't, they wanna be big and mature and thought provoking but then suddenly it's just a cry for help about how mom and dad treated them and they go on this big fantasy adventure where the resolution was "and mom and dad learn just how wrong they were about me."
I think the problem people are having is that most movies are basically vehicles for your last line there. People are sick and tired of movies only being a director's cry for help or bitching about their parents. I don't think they particularly care how it is reached, whether they go on a fantasy adventure or fumble around their back yard. they are tired of entertainment being hijacked by people who want to teach lessons instead of just tell a story. This goes well outside the realm of family media too (which historically does always have some kind of lesson learning element) but it does look like people are incredibly hungry for shallow, surface level popcorn flicks again.

>>149080635 (OP)
people said the movie was good.

>>149083789
Concret was created by the crew

>>149084534

The issue is the need for things to have "meaning" but since you're dealing with writers who only ever have to deal with parental arguments and people have politics they don't like, you get this.

We went from men who were in literal fucking wars, coming home and then writing genre-defining masterpieces, to... this. People who want to be in a creative industry but are literally not creative.

>>149084476
Anon the entire fucking point of the movie is that Rocky is a relatable down-on-his-luck guy who somewhat squandered his potential and decides to risk everything for a better life.
>>149084534
It basically boils down to "write what you know" shouldn't be "write the exact same fucking thing over and over and over."
And the craziest part is how everyone is acting like this "generational trauma commentary" is some new revolutionary thing.
Both pictures just posted are from King Of the Hill. A show that did exactly this kind of commentary over 25 years ago.
Shit, "confronting the traumatic childhood" is a trope we've done for decades before that.

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>>149084227
*sigh* Browsing through a lot of the human concept art was very depressing. I did like Kellye Perdue and Jesse Aclin's character designs, but sadly, Pixar went with an uglier artstyle…

>>149084187
This. Not asking for the standard Disney artstyle, but at least a human artstyle that doesn't look like a clone of Steven Universe or some adult animated sitcom.

>>149084227
>muh Studio Ghibli influenced art
CalSharts have no shame as well as no skill.

>>149084755
>>149084029
*Meant to link this

>>149080635 (OP)
The boy looks like gigantic faggot, I'm 100% sure the script rewrite and director change was them trying to erase all the gay shit the boy probably was planned to do

>>149084716
That's the actual problem here. the people writing have just....zero life experience. The only thing they know to write about are times their dad was mean to them or their grandma didn't accept their weird hair color. The generations of nepo babies have broken the system since we now have 3rd and 4th generation rich spoiled fuck that grew up in West LA and leaped from rich parents in Hollywood to working in Holywood. They never did anything or even lived so that they have some story to tell. So we end up with Skydance fantasy movies that are annoying allegories for the time their parents divorced.

60s Star Trek writers were present on fucking D-Day, some episodes are things that actually happened in WWII but in space.
Marvel writers came up in 70s New York and dealt with crime and shit daily on their way to work and back.
Tarantino wrote both times he was robbed at gunpoint into his movies.

>>149080710

>>149081820
Can confirm.

>>149085066
Whoa.

>>149081132
He's self conscious of people staring at his crotch

>>149083051
KEK

>>149083328
Steven Universe doesn't look quite as horrid

>>149080635 (OP)
Maybe this will be the push needed to drop the shitty grub hub calarts style

>>149080635 (OP)
Built for sodomy

>>149080661
fpbp

>>149084971
>That's the actual problem here. the people writing have just....zero life experience.
I disagree here. They have life experience but they wouldn't dare to use it. Here's the issue, there's no "quirky wholesome" way to portray someone with unresolved parental issues.
That kind of chunk of someone's life before they come to terms with their parental issues is like, substance abuse,
erratic behaviors, emotional regulation issues, impulsivity, lashing out at the world.
That's not only some heavy shit which would be extremely hard to do in a family film but it would require making their cute little self-insert into a character who has to act as a genuinely antagonistic figure and develop as the film goes.
I hate to say it but that's why I can't take the "this children's property is so mature for its portrayal of mental health!" because it's always just 'character has depwession' and doesn't really wanna show what that kinda shit looks like when it comes to particularly poor mental health.

>>149081871
hola dun

>>149080635 (OP)
Elio and Kpop Demon Hunters should've traded places in their release format.

>>149082032
>it made pennies
>but here's some meaningless pseudo-information

>>149082297
So many of these stories just feel like they're written by insular, introverted people with no life experiences. The ONLY experience they can pull from is "MY CHILDHOOD" because they stopped developing their personalities in high school and probably did nothing but sit inside, draw, play video games, watch anime, go to college so they can draw, graduate and get a job so they can draw, then kept drawing.

Some of Pixar's best ideas are throwing out concepts and then later developing them while relating to their adulthood. Even though these movies have cute and goof moments, they felt mature because they were mature. Mr. Incredible going through a midlife crisis or Sully choosing a child over a career are objectively adult topics, but presented in such a way that kids can understand. That is SO much more difficult than presenting kiddie topics for kids to understand and trying to make it moderately enjoyable to the parents who take them to see the movie.

I'll be honest, they're simply not going to achieve this level of maturity if they keep with this cutesy blobby art style. Yes, it's a cute art style; I hate Turning Red's script but it does have good visuals and has nice texture work-- but presentation matters. And this shit looks like a pre-school show. You don't need to go back to photorealistic environments, but goodness, please try something else. This style rebrand is clearly not working.

>>149082297
In hindsight inside out started this shit

>>149080635 (OP)
What's the source for this porn?

>>149082392
>WORDFILTERED AGAIN

Fucking $"o"¥ its the word to use man, this website has been a corpse since they introduce that filter

>>149085066
Chad monkey

>>149080635 (OP)
I have seen 0 marketing for this or even social media buzz, this is literally my first time hearing about it

I am undecided if I should hate this completely, or ship the ugly boy with the eyeless blob

Elio as a character is nice but this movie was obviously out together with whatever they had around after the plot change. It has no ending. It literally just ends.

>>149082032
>it's previewing like Elemental, the pandemic movie that bombed

>>149080635 (OP)
Reviews for this seem pretty solid at least, so it could end up having long legs at the box office like Elemental (not a bomb, but not spectacular either).

>>149080635 (OP)
I want to see it, but I'm a 34 year old man who'd have to go to the theater alone and I don't want that smoke.

>>149084227
Damn James Woods draws some fruity art for a hardline 80 year old conservative white man

i'm gonna be honest
i just finished the movie and i don't remember anything but the cool worm dad and the alien guy who looked like danny de vito

>>149086664

Elemental was largely just "the cartoon movie" for like a whole Summer, but Disney in all its genius decided to release their alien movie for children movie right after their other alien for children so they can cannibalise that market.

So, uh... did anyone actually watch the movie?

>>149080635 (OP)
why are nuPixar boys such sissies? who is this for? boys elio's age are watching skibidi toilet, digital circus, and shooting stuff in video games. they don't care about realistic panic attacks

>>149086673
People go to the movies alone all the time. I'm 34 and just got back from the matinee.

>>149080710
el chico abominable...

>>149086821
tell that to millennial women

>>149081755
>>Sharafian
Is he supposed to be Armenian?

Why is this stupid grub so bristly and fuzzy and scaly and suedey with textures all over? They didn't have to give him armpit hair

>>149081755
>should I know who tf these two cocksleeves are?

Madeline Sharafian directed a Pixar short Burrow and storyboarded for Coco, Turning Red, and Elio before being brought in to direct Elio. She was also a character designer for We Bare Bears before joining Pixar in 2017.

Domee Shi directed a Pixar short Bao and Turning Red before ALSO being brought in to direct Elio. She also storyboarded for Toy Story 4, Inside Out, Incredibles 2, and The Good Dinosaur.

Fun Fact: Adrian Molina WAS Elio's original director before leaving that movie to work on Coco 2.

No wonder the ABC channels are pushing this on the local news. Not as intrusive as the live-action Lilo and Stich, where they inserted graphics into the weather forecast, but every noon broadcast this week has had a segment on this stupid movie.

>>149080991
Anon... this movie was originally slated for a 2024 release when Molina was directing it(now Domee Shi and some other lady), the old trailer is STILL up on the official channel. Elio's aunt was his mom, the evil alien antagonist was some alien council member and Elio wasn't actively trying to get abducted. There are a few articles you can look up.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2w_K3CB8PuE

>>149080635 (OP)
what a polite ngirl...

>>149080710
when are snouts cute and likable on humans?

>>149087855
I mean this fundamentally amazes me that they can genuinely think that a majority female team should be the onee to take on a film regarding the self-esteem of a young male.
I think the aunt character blows this wide open especially considering it was originally a mother.
>My aunt is upset with me and doesn't understand me!
That role is typically reserved for a father character for a fucking reason. A mother will verbally validate and compliment her son no matter what. A father should be supportive of his son but reserve compliments for when he actually means it. Because of this, the maternal figure's compliments lose value over time while the father's verbal approval is more coveted because it's something the son actually has to earn as an indicator that they're actually taking steps in the right direction.
This is something every male who had two parents is familiar with and they would have known why Olga should have been a father or male role model rather than a female one. If we're gonna say one gender has to let the other tell its own stories regarding this kinda stuff it has to go both ways.

>>149086867
Yeah. Movies for adults.

>>149089013
>A mother will verbally validate and compliment her son no matter what
Where the fuck did you get that idea from?

>>149089199

>>149080635 (OP)
The movie was alright, but I feel like they needed to introduce Glordon WAAAY earlier in the movie. He's introduced over halfway into the movie, they have a very short bonding scene, then it's treated like they're best friends. Huh? Like, that's not how you do a buddy movie. Buzz, Lilo, Dory, Drix, Nick Wilde, and so on are introduced like, within 15 to 20 minutes of the movie.

>>149089282
this isn't a buddy movie it's generational trauma

>>149089330
It'd be closer to cultural clash with Glordon, with Elio and Olga being lesser versions of Lilo and Nani (two people going through grief where a weird kid acts out and the adult has to give up dreams to deal with a new path she is unprepared for).

>>149089199
>>149089274
That is such a prevalent thing, there are literal sayings around it.
When someone is ugly, we say "a face only a mother can love."
When an artist can't take criticism, we say "should have drawn something for their mom to put on the fridge."
At the very least the point is the mother's approval is typically more prevalent than the father's because the father's approval is something we traditionally consider to be the more 'earned' of the two.

>>149081246
Looks like a Goofy character, Bradly Uppercrust

>>149080635 (OP)
Why are you people surprised? Disney is the ANTI MALE COMPANY.

Everyone especially Star Wars fans understands that Disney is all about attacking the male sex. So they invent Lame Male Characters. For crying out loud Disney's mascot is this unfunny bland soulless trite.

Disney will never make anything that is Pro Male, especially Pro Straight White Male. And in a white country a shitty ugly looking beta dweeb like Elio is never going to be popular. Lilo from Lilo and Stitch seems tougher than Elio. Girls will see Elio and think him ugly and lame. And boys? Boys like cool dudes like Ben from Ben Ten with the alien powers.

Nothing about Elio looks good. The only people who like Elio are stupid aging single mothers and their horrible idea of what an appealing male character is because remember Disney's creative employees are mostly incompetent shitty women and it reflects on the media that Disney makes.

My hope is that Zootopia 2 also fails. Fuck Disney and their shitty Jewish agendas.

>>149089692
>Disney will never make anything that is Pro Male

Kingdom Hearts?....then again that franchise's fandom is MOSTLY homosexual girls who are into homo romance.

>>149081882
>>make a movie that looks gay and lame
Yeah Elio is in fact physially disabled and also happy

>>149083789
Even the white characters look terrible in Pixar movies. Pixar's white characters if they are human look like Linguini so a skinny guy with a huge nose. That's standard unless the human is obese like in Wall E or Odd Shaped like Carl from Up who has a literal square head like a computer monitor.

The only time Pixar tried to make a good looking human is Mr. incredible but the geometric art style of that movie makes him look awkward and just strange kind of rectangle like. Pixar has always been awful at human designs. They have done decent with Non Humans. But once they had to step up their humans look visually unappealing.

>>149080781
What pisses me off is that idiots will blindly buy the sequels like....

Zootopia 2
Coco 2
Incredibles 3
Ice Age 6
Frozen 3
Frozen 4
Cameron's Avatar 3

And it goes on. The stupid normies already bought into Moana 2 and Gay Inside Out 2. Stupid fucking normies I hate them so much because they're the ones HAPPILY slobbering over Live Action Remake Moana. You never run out of Retarded Customers.

>>149080821
The cat movie will be a success because Stupid Women are stupid for cats. And modern men are cat faggots so that's a success because there are enough idiots.

>>149085802
Everyone forgets that at the end of the day these films still have to entertain. Like look at Encanto, it's basically wish fulfillment for people with emotionally abusive family members. In the real world Abuleta doesn't apologize for treating you like shit your entire life, she hits you with DARVO and tries to turn the rest of the family against you. Realistic Encanto would see Bruno having fucked off years ago without looking back, Pepa at best severely emotionally disturbed and at worst having offed herself before the film began, Isabela self-harming or about to pull a Bruno, and Mirabel having exactly zero self-esteem or and a great deal of self-loathing, while Alma acts like she has no idea where all her kids and grandkids went wrong and its entirely their fault while she was nothing but perfect and saintly. But a film where Mirabel has to cut down her sister's body after Isabela hangs herself due to her arranged marriage only to be immediately met with Alma accusing her of driving her sister to kill herself isn't something you can cram into Magic Kingdom.

>>149081948
>To be fair we have Hoppers next year

That movie looks DISGUSTING. Hideous art style. Maybe even uglier than Turning Red. And the story is shit, a human girl puts her brain in a beaver's robot and tells animals to rebel against humanity damaging nature? Preachy shit and the main character is a traitor to humanity. Would be good if while she's stuck in the beaver robot someone burns her human body and then disconnects her mind from the beaver robot.

>>149089949
>Like look at Encanto, it's basically wish fulfillment for people with emotionally abusive family members.

If it was wish fulfillment then the nasty abusive grandmother would have been hated and the entire family kicked that bitch out. I hate how she got away with her bullshit. She was poison incarnate to her family across multiple generations. To hell with this awful film excusing abusive family members.

Same reason I hated Coco. The great grandmother was a bitch who never answers for cursing her family from beyond the grave by banning music.

Why are none of the aliens from a species that wear clothing?

>>149084187
When was the last time a western studio designed a good looking human? The humans in Shrek? Because if you tell me the humans in Bad Guys or Despicable Me look good you need to have your head cut off with a guillotine.

>>149088910
We're willing to accept greater breaks in physical form the less realistic the figure is to begin with. Haruhi is flat both spatially and texturally so we just roll with the distortions of the human form present and the side mouth, where as Elio's 3-dimensional appearance and otherwise mildly stylized shape causes the weird facial structure to read "that's a goddamned shaved chimpanzee."

>>149080781
>shit marketing
That's the plan!

>>149090003
It's wish fulfillment in that the grandmother sincerely admits she was wrong and apologizes.

>>149089949
That's what I mean though. If we're being totally honest. Mental health and particularly bad mental health and traumatic childhoods are something best left to an R rating because it's a downer fucking subject to handle and I'm gonna say it feels like a lot of the recent animated films are using it entirely because they know it will get praise.
You can give Puss N' Boots a panic attack but there has to be a therapy dog at the ready, you can't show him freaking out at the people around him or drinking the alcohol stand-in milk to cope. I've noticed this with modern 'mental health awareness' in general. We ignore the actual troublesome shit . Hell, people are probably less likely these days to do something like having an intervention for the serious substance abusers because that's a stressful situation which can be toxic for mental health.

This is the real reason it's flopping. The aunt is just too skinny.

>>149085958
All the characters in pic related are clearly distinct from one another, which is important and makes sense since they are supposed to be different movies entirely.

The current style they have makes characters blend together, even thier alien designs are like that, if you told me those aliens lived on Earth the whole time I'd fucking believe it.

Nothing they make has a clear visual identity anymore, not unless it's a sequel to an older property and even thing Lightyear exists.

>>149081789
there are other kinds?

>>149090220
Catra from She-ra tried to kill the entire universe because she was mad at adora, and she repeatedly abuses Adora throughout the series
(but then everyone nearly instantly forgives her in season 5)

do someone have a pic of the female aliens?

>>149090439
Hadn't really thought about that but I see what you mean
a lot of their more recent films have been samey looking art style wise where they used to have big departures from film to film
probably helped a lot with keeping things fresh and pulling in people who weren't too hot on the previous film if the new one looked quite different

>>149084029
got anything else?

Doesn't this kid just wanna be molested by aliens or something?

I miss John Lasseter.

It was ok but i do think the movie was missing something to stand out more. I liked the 2- 3 or scenes that leaned more into horror.

Wish clone Elio would have lived. I liked him veery much.

>>149080710
Dios mío...Espíritu del Señor. Espíritu de Dios, Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo, Santísima Trinidad, Virgen Inmaculada, ángeles, arcángeles y santos del paraíso, descended sobre mí. Fúndeme, Señor, lléname de ti. Expulsa de mi todas las fuerzas del mal, aniquílas, destrúyelas. Expulsa de mí los maleficos, la magia negra, el ogro de las tinieblas, el luz extinguido, el americano... Por favor, destruye la infestación diabólica; todo lo que es mal, pecado, envidia, celos y perfidia; la enfermedad física, psíquica, moral, espiritual y diabólica... destruye al monstruo, a la creatura... Quema a este mal en el infierno, para que nunca más me toquen a mí ni a ningun ser. Ordeno y mando con la fuerza de Dios omnipotente, en nombre de Jesucristo Salvador, por intermedio de la Virgen Inmaculada, a todos los espíritus inmundos, a inmediatamente, que me abandonen definitivamente y que se vayan al infierno eterno. El chupa-chupacabras no puede triunfar, el monstruo, el abominación... debe morir... Encadenado por San Miguel arcángel, por San Gabriel, por San Rafael, aplastado bajo el talón de la Virgen Santísima Inmaculada, aleja el aberración genetíca, al ogro de las Americas... Amén.

why does he wear the eyepatch?

>>149080710
>>149081246
>>149082673
>>149083224
>>149085066
Design quirks notwithstanding, this is mostly due to the unfortunate conjunction of a low camera angle + a slight fisheye lens effect.

Elio's prognathism doesn't look nearly as extreme in other profile views. Memers are still gonna meme, however.

>>149092810
so he has anime girl snout

>>149092832
anime doesn't round up the bottom part. You chose the worst kind of defense, shill

>>149080781
>>149080961
It will probably mean lower budgets, less willingness to do what Pixar has always done (six years is absolutely nothing for the gestation time or changes/rewrites/retoolings that many of their projects have gone through. However, all that costs money and takes patients and the suits will likely clamp down on that

>>149080635 (OP)
>bombing
none of the tracking and none of the box office prediction thought that either 28Y or Elio was going to beat HTTYD
also, this is worse than a YT video lying because the first few sentences of this make clear that Elio is predicted to make hundreds of thousands less than 28Y, at worse.

Good, make 2D films.

>>149084227
Mike Altman and Kellye Perdue's versions are the best. Elio actually looks kind of handsome in those drawings. Jesse Aclin's is good too though not my favorite.

>>149082032
>>149085898
>>149086640
>reading comprehension
it's not just for 4chinz idiots!

>>149092842
>You chose the worst kind of defense, shill
? you could have just had the first sentence to make your point.
why do you have to be weirdly mean just because i was slightly wrong?

>>149080710
Mr Incredible is strong, but Elio… he monky

>>149080635 (OP)
GOOD.

>>149089013
This makes me think that perhaps the aunt should have been much closer in age to Elio, that she was the mother's much younger sister. So it would be more like a Lilo and Nani situation where the child character has a hard time respecting their guardian as an adult parental figure and the adult has a hard time playing the parent role. It would have been even more difficult than Nani and Lilo's situation though because Elio and the Aunt wouldn't even have that sibling relationship to fall back on. Seems reasonable to me that a 22/23 year old young woman would have a hard time suddenly having to parent a little boy.

I think this seems like a reasonable fix for someone who dislikes the idea of Elio's sole guardian being female.

>>149084971
I think lacking life experience can still turn out OK if the person telling the story has sufficient curiosity. Jane Austen never married but people enjoy her stories and insights.

>>149085802
good point

>>149089013
The original director is a flaming homo, and the movie has autobio elements. He probably looked like the protagonist as a kid. I mean, he kinda looks like him now. He's also the guy who made that movie about dead latinx grandma. It seems like the only thing the female directors did was saw off the edges of his story to make it more marketable and less depressing. Which I don't like, but it's funny to pretend a gay man wouldn't make a movie about a boy with mommy issues.

>My aunt is upset with me and doesn't understand me!
The aunt is his only parent because the actual parents are dead.

>That role is typically reserved for a father character for a fucking reason.
So you get a male sidekick with a disapproving father.

Original pitch: "A kid that tells lies gets WAAAAY in over his head, ends up pretending to be Earth's Representative to Alien-kind, has to keep up the lie to defend Earth when the whole planet is put on trial by aliens. Again: He's a liar. It's fun."

This slop: "We need to make it so much more wholesome uwu and also have zany toyetic alien mascot friends."

Just let kids be little shits sometimes, holy fuck.

>>149084227

Watched the first trailer again and it's funny to see what changes they made.

>>149093130
Every design here is better than what we got. The final design is 'cuter' in the puppies and kittens sense but I think that's kind of why it doesn't work out. Like the final result is too cutesy somehow. Being cute like a kitty cat can work out for girls but I don't think boys feel that way about themselves and I think even girls will have a bias against that. Elio is supposed to be 11, boys around that age and even younger don't really want to be adorable, do they? They want other people to think they are cool or mature or at least respectable in a way, right? And if they don't have those qualities they at least want to seem capable of it in theory. The final design seems really soft, which has it's benefits, but the designs in the concept art feel more human, like it better sells the tension of a character who is getting too old to be so easily forgiven by his peers and where the pressure to fit in really begins to ramp up. Maybe I'm kind of spitballing nonsense here about a demographic I know nothing about since I'm a woman

>>149092842
It absolutely does. It just doesn't go out of its way to look ugly.

>>149084227
The seemed to reword phrase that mention the military in a negative light.

My fairput this movie on for my nephew but he didn’t wanna watch it anymore cause it was boring

Little Boy Adventure cartoons always massively underperform Little Girl Princess Adventures.
ALL girls want to be princesses.
And a surprising amount of boys as well.

>>149080841
Who is the audience for this?

>>149080841
This one looked awful but it was honestly not half bad. With even a remotely more appealing art style it would have probably been a lot better received.

>>149093085

I love sci-fi stories.

I don't want to watch gay brown boys in shorts.

This movie is not for me.

>>149080635 (OP)
Why would it be a success? A male protagonist needs two things to be popular especially with dudes.

The first thing is a cool design and Elio looks like a ugly shit skin monkey. The second thing is a neat skill set and apparently Elio is an annoying twat obsessed with aliens and wants to get Stranger Danger with aliens, he's shit.

Disney is so fucking shitty at making male characters that its not even funny. And if we're honest America is awful at crafting male characters in media since its a Shitty Jewish Ruled Country. And if you disagree FUCK YOU!

>>149085687
It was even going to end with having to hug himself.

>>149093386

>>149081882
Pretty much yeah.

>>149093386
So the clone was orginally the antagonist? Interesting

>>149093282
>teenage
My ass

>>149093386
>>149093395
So it went from a SU ripoff to a Lilo & Stitch ripoff? And it didn't keep any of the fun parts?

You know I always hated Coco for being aggresively bland. Now I feel justified in my views.

I'd like to see a story where at some point a boy laments the loss of his safe emotional place (his mother and the love she gave him) only for his protector/mentor figure to say that he never had that. And I want the story to communicate not that love prevents you from becoming strong, but that without love life is a struggle and even those few who manage to persevere are still hurting.

>>149093326
>married since 2011
good for him!

Kids want to watch movies about cool people going on adventures, not fucking effeminate weirdos

>>149093386
Do they sleep together?

>>149093551
This. A thousand times this.

>>149093282
This manga is drawn by an out and proud pedophile, by the way.

>>149094215
Yes. And?

>>149080710
Seriously when did Pixar adopt this weird Grubhub body composition style? I want to say Turning Red either way it's so unpleasant to look at.

>>149083051

>>149093741
True. The 90's has it right. A generic white boy in a baseball hat with a cocky additude doing literally anything will sell well.

>>149093049
See, it's not that I dislike the part where she's a female guardian. It's that I dislike her taking on the role of 'the disapproving father' especially knowing she was originally meant to be his mother. Hell, when I think about it, my own aunt was kinda like this where she was a much more stern figure than my mother and there was a very heavy juxtapose between them.
Supposedly, Olga was changed from a mother to an aunt for exactly the reasons I said, because a mother-son dynamic wouldn't work for the film and you needed a figure who involved more 'earned approval' which I do think can work with an aunt, but in a story about a young man would strike more chords if it were a more paternal figure because kids need to relate that character to their own dads.

>>149094382
I can only speak as a grown man and not a child but when I was a kid, I had no interest in wimpy protags. Trying to appeal to boys with a kid that sits like a girl is never going to happen.

>>149094391
It's one of the defining definition of a working parent dynamic desu -sorry, too many ds. Without a father in the picture one is 9x if not MOAR likely to do drugs, join gangs, land in prison. Source? The entirety of human civilization :3 I am not saying moms aren't important but dads are too

>>149080635 (OP)
I watched it. The writing was good. Elio and his aunt, and the aliens have tons of flaws. They make mistakes and suffer pretty big consequences for it. They also make massive sacrifices to maintain their family unit. The alien designs are decent. Only bad art design is the humans, and they are less than 30% of the movie.

>>149093551
kids dont want to watch movies they like video games. all the cucked millenials complaining how much they would hated this as a child are missing the point

>>149094604
how is it the mom's fault if the dad is absent because he's in prison

>>149080635 (OP)
If he got naked and showed off his cute tiny pecker it would have made millions.

>>149094391
The main conflict is that the kid is a sperg so the aunt sent him away to a military school (changed to a summer camp in the final version) to unfag him because he's antisocial and keeps doing dumb dangerous things and messing up both of their lives because of his space autism. It's less about winning the aunt's approval, and more about escaping from the bullies at the military school/summer camp who hate him because his autism got them in trouble once.

None of your drivel makes any sense. If you think a female guardian can't get tired of a retard kid's bullshit and send them away, you're sadly mistaken.

>>149080710
Pablo fatigue is real

>>149094382
>>149094404
I want a return to armored/padded jumpsuits and full armour.

>>149093130
The bottom two and top right designs look more appropriate for a kid whose supposed to be in middle school. When I saw the movie last night I was surprised they had him in jr high cuz he looks like an 8 or 9 year old

Just curious, what are some mexican words for pedophiles?

>>149093085
>flaming homo
"flaming"

>>149096191
>Words aren't centered
Nigga couldn't triforce!

>>149093286
Why remove Matt's?

>>149088910
In your example, it's only really their noses, in Haruhi's case the nose bridge especially, that are odd. Their moths and jaws still align with the rest of a the face is human sense.
In Elio's case his entire lower face extends in a way that is more in line with a bear or ape than with a human.

>>149092438
god damn im so sick of people only liking shit for gay ass retard reasons. no one gives a fuck about how much you want to fuck little boys or see them raped by tentacles you faggot

>>149080841
>>149080635 (OP)
so in addition to breasts being verboten, why are ankles?

>>149092810
>Design quirks notwithstanding, this is mostly due to the unfortunate conjunction of a low camera angle + a slight fisheye lens effect.
Interesting, interesting... all good points.

Counterargument...

>>149096436
Where do you think you are?

Go back to resetera/reddit.

>>149092810
>>149096482
these don't look anything alike

>>149096513
Kill yourself retard that looks like shit

>>149096513
>Pedophilia bad!
>Hurr durr go back to pedo central

>>149095103
>it's good
>the character have flaws
>and stuff happens
Really compelling stuff. Do they just not pay you enough? You weren't even instructed to read the plot synopsis on wikipedia? Elio and Olga don't sacrifice a single fucking thing, and they don't have any flaws that influence the plot in any meaningful way, because everything just sorta happens coincidentally and works out in the end.

>>149081780
>asian
*SEAmonkeys
PX workers
MSC oilers
etc

What's wrong with his eye?

>>149096675
Some cum got on it.

>>149096675
It gets poked by a radio antenna at the start of the movie because of bullies. It's only relevant way later in the movie because the aliens make a copy of him who doesn't have anything under the eyepatch. It's extremely fucking stupid.

>>149096574
Olga gives up her life and career. Elio gives up living a life with aliens.

>>149096685
They aren’t bullies. They are his peers that he antagonized first. They are getting back at him because he was being a dismissive asshole that was trying to manipulate them so he could steal their radio.

>>149096172
"Pedros" and "asaltacunas" (this one is used for those who date people way younger than them).

>>149096686
>>149096700
That's not what happens.

>>149080635 (OP)
Nah, it is not bombing but Elio is fucking winning of many reviews!!! AMAZING!

>>149095249
He's right in saying single fathers actually do have a much better track record than single mothers but it's more based around one simple thing. A single father is more likely to be someone who wanted the child. It is much harder for a father to get custody and you have to have one hell of a character to pull it off.
>t. Grandfather was a single father of three

>>149080710
i'm laughing so hard it's literally donkey kong

>>149088910
This is 2D. Elio is in 3D. Elio is trying to translate the 2D bean mouth style into 3D which makes it much more noticeable.

>>149097133
About to say, look at what we'd consider "anime" games and none of them really fully maintain the cat-like facial structure.
The thread make me go back and check Ace Attorney animations to see why those character made the jump so well only to realize that Phoenix and Maya have always had human side profiles.
Even Dragon Ball games typically blend 2D-3D to translate the characters faces without it looking uncanny.

>>149080710
HE
HAS
NO
GRACE

>>149093492
Boring queer-ass shit, but hey at least your story may make it into a Pixar movie someday.
>>149094382
True, and nowadays people flocked to watching animated japanese teens doing literally anything.

>>149084476
>Rocky
>good lucking characters
Other than Apollo they're all average to ugly looking (and that's a good thing)

>>149097260
Not every anime does that profile, there’s plenty of anime shows with normal, flat profiles. And really it’s more of shortcut to make faces easier to animate just like the anime sidemouth. If you notice in anime figures they’re just modeled with mosquito bite noses and slightly protruding lips rather than having anything resembling a snout since that’s 2D stylization.

>>149093395
What's going on in the bottom picture?

>>149080635 (OP)
>>149080710
Imagine being a kid growing up with male characters that look like this

>>149096513
>shota flashing
Pixar getting desperate.

>>149095280
>>149097822
The hope for any shota nudity happening on-screen in a Disney/Pixar movie was always far-fetched, but I was crossing my fingers for a single official blink-and-you'll-miss-it butt shot regardless.

>>149085687
>people will purchase this art book

>>149096513
based

>>149085687
>>149084029
Is the kid supposed to be black?

>>149080635 (OP)
This was obvious. This movie is nothing, and it's about nothing. Even watching the trailers, all I kept wonder is, where's the hook? Where's the interesting concept? What reason does anyone have to be interested in this? This couldn't get any more generic and boring. It has no soul at all, none. Nobody making it cared about it, nobody who wrote it was interested in it, it's just a product. That's all it is.

>>149096513
How sensitive do you think Elio's nipples are?

>>149098479
Kys

>>149080635 (OP)
The protagonist looks like a faggot.
If they really want to do a weak boy main character then they should have done it like in "How to train your dragon".

>>149098479
I need to suck on them to find out

>>149080781
Why are animationfags so blackpilled?

>>149093386
>>149093395
This is frustrating because
>kid makes a clone of themself that people seem to like more at first
is a solid hook for a whole movie, and a scenario you could do a lot with... but instead we got Elio.

It just seems like the creative team at Pixar is completely out of ideas. This and Hoppers (what if a girl put her brain in a robotic beaver... for some reason) are the only non-sequel Pixar ideas on the slate for the next 7-8 years.

>>149098479
I want to lick my tongue all over his tummy.

>>149080710
oHH, Banana

>>149080635 (OP)
Why did they pit this against HTTYD? Isn't that like, kinda dumb?

>>149098513
We're never getting a cool mc again

>>149080635 (OP)
>femgoy
>>14908071
>prognathic face
What kind of Australopithecus is this?

>>149080635 (OP)
Why is he sitting like a faggot?

>>149098722
Same reason Disney is pitting Fantastic Four against Superman. Because uhh?

>>149098723
>again
I can't name a single genuinely cool male protagonist in the history of the big 3 American animation studios. It's all girls, wimps, simps, autists, nerds, old people, cutesy animals, and dickless scrimblo bimblo not humanoid enough to be truly cool.

>>149098913
The last time Disney tried people didn't watch the movie.

>>149098977
But we got that weirdo that makes an arm from this.

>>149098913
Tarzan is the only one that comes to mind

>>149098913
Aladdin

>>149080710
Ew

>>149080710
>we want the grubhub audience

onions

>>149098977
That's partly cause Disney was going out of its way to sabotage the movie. You got everyone and their grandma nowadays saying this was an overlooked gem.

>>149093200

No, everything you said is right.
The problem is this is the sort of common sense, instinctual stuff that people used to understand - in terms of what children are, and what they relate to - is completely absent from the industry now. It's all feminised and sanitised, there's no room for anything that's traditional conventional wisdom or anything that will push the boundaries either.

The funny thing is, anime is right over there. The male characters can be stylised and sometimes even a little effeminate by western standards, but still resonate to people who prefer masculine protagonists.

>>149099584
>You got everyone and their grandma nowadays saying this was an overlooked gem.
Let's not suck its dick too hard. It was okay.

>>149080710
I'm getting flashbacks.

>>149098977
Disney couldn't escape its "for girls" branding in 2002 and it can't escape it now either.

Elio doesn't have a pretty girl in it, so the movie is doomed.

Not unlike what happened when the same people at Pixar made a movie with a protag who looked like the mean girl from Lilo.

Well after watching it I can safely say the xenophiles will like it

>>149099678
I like Ashi though, her chimp mouth is endearing

>>149098977
Please don't remind me

all they had to do was make elio hot. if girls are going to be your audience, give them some food.

>>149086737
it was apparently mediocre
t.younger siblings went to see it

>>149093200
I'm pretty sure Elio is supposed to be gay, which is why he does want to be cute instead cool.
It makes sense from a "we need a brown, disabled, mental, gay protagonist" standpoint.
Just checking all the boxes.

>>149082297
Counterpoint. My favorite movie growing up was Lilo & Stitch about a fat weird freak hawaiin girl and her evil little monster of a pet and the movie is just as much about trying to make the best of a broken family that it is about fighting aliens and that shit's a masterpiece.

>>149080710
Homo erectus, is that you?

>>149100523
lilo isn't fat so much as "has baby fat" because she's in kindergarten
she can dance
she can swim
her nose is a little big but she already has the best hair in her class
her older sister is a hottie

lilo is absolutely a disney princess type, just very young

elio ain't that

>>149100486
doubtful, as 'he's subtextually gay' would have the glaad ninja squad on their asses immediately.

>>149100523
lilo isn't lame

>>149100061
Kind of ironic that this movie underperforming probably is what lead to this current hellscape.
>But it didn't bomb!
Nope, it was actually a mild success at the box office and a great success in merch by any metric, enough of a win and long lasting of a win they kept it going for over a decade. There's no angle where Lilo and Stitch was a financial failure.

But when I say underperformed, I mean that in the exact same year it came out, there was a challenger to the big budget(Mostly due to redoing the entire third act of the fucking movie) critical darling from Disney, and it came from a company who had done commercials and had never had a single major motion picture to their name, releasing their first CGI movie that got very mixed reviews and didn't have a single shred of brand recognition. And then while Lilo and Stitch was relegated to DTDVD movies and an "Okay" ratings TV show, Ice Age went on to be a multi-billion dollar box office franchise. Multi. Billion. Dollar. Why? Because Ice Age 1 managed to outsell Lilo and Stitch at the box office, crossing 300 million when not a single goddamn 2D disney film could manage that since the year 2000 onwards.

Lilo and Stitch losing to Ice Age is the reason they went all in on CGI and there's no saving it now.

>>149100876
People often don't look at the context surrounding films and focus entirely on numbers. L&S was handily beaten out financially by Brother Bear which made $20 million less at the box office but only cost half as much as L&S in production costs. Adjusted for inflation the live-action remake cost 44% less to make than the original.

>>149099678
Why did her side profile progressively turn into a snout as the show went on?

>>149100983
>People often don't look at the context surrounding films and focus entirely on numbers. L&S was handily beaten out financially by Brother Bear which made $20 million less at the box office but only cost half as much as L&S in production costs
While that is true, it still was a success and actually came in cheaper than other recent productions from Disney, notably it's 80 million budget was lower than The Emperor's New Groove(100 million) and Atlantis (120 million), despite redoing the 3rd act thanks to its comparatively low use of CGI and lack of any big name stars for its cast. 3x multiplier is a mild success, even if it wasn't very big thanks to the aggressive, and I do mean aggressive and anyone alive at that time will tell you, marketing. Still, what set it apart was the one two punch of
>Very well received
And
>Stitch plushies sold great

They thought they had a major winner as far as haul goes, and then they got beaten out by an unproven studio getting mixed results, the landscape of Brother Bear's loss, considering it also didn't exactly get great reviews and merch was a total loss, was wildly different. Numbers aren't the be all end all, or they would've still seen L/S and 2D as a whole as a success.

>>149089013
>A mother will verbally validate and compliment her son no matter what.
Check out Mr. Didn't Have a Terrible Childhood here.

>>149101099
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that people tend to get weird when talking about success in regards to Disney. L&S was a mild success whose real value was continued audience interest that could be leveraged into evergreen merchandise and the reason why it's remake made 8x it's budget. Then you've got Brother Bear, one of Disney's inoffensively forgettable offerings, that objectively was a huge success but a bust in long-term revenue. And looking at Disney's historical performance, L&S is much more aligned to the norm. Historically Disney's track record of first-run hits to misses is surprisingly low until you hit the Renaissance era, with a lot of films only becoming major successes after multiple re-releases.

>>149101396
Absolutely true across the board, and it is a little sad that most of their post millennium box office fumbles were their attempts to win over boys. Stuff like ENG's comedy duo or Atlantis/TP's adventure stuff just didn't connect with people. While I obviously can't find a direct comment that says the quiet part out loud, I've got a feeling that some of the higher ups were happy that L/S didn't overperform as they historically wanted to go all in on CGI the moment the one two punch of Nemo and Shrek 2 absolutely shat money all over the floor, and they were desperate to chase it, but were afraid of losing Disney's historical identity.

Alas, their ideas actually turned out to be true. The first Disney CGI movie looked absolutely awful, cost 150 million dollars, was critically panned... and finally got them over that seemingly impassable 300 million worldwide total, and the rest was history. They sent Home on the Range out to die an did a hail mary with the first black princess, and when she too failed to match even failures like Bolt, they set up a 30 million dollar barely advertised Pooh film against the final harry potter movie and here we are. The death of 2D at disney wasn't quick, and sadly, wasn't all their fault. But it was sad to see.

Now we got Elio which cost more than any 3 post 2000 films put together.

>>149100663
Lilo is nowhere near a disney princess. That's what makes her so great.

>>149101843
I think you just forget that every Disney Princess was 'Quirky' for their time just because its become so prevalent.

>Ariel was a collector of random junk calling objects thingamabobs because she so wacky
>Belle was a READER, gasp, look at all of the townsfolk saying how weird she is... because she's kind of a dick to them but don't think too much about that part.
>Mulan wanted to do BOY THINGS!? WAAAAA? She so quirky, she can't spit right.

Lilo giving a sandwich to a fish and liking Elvis is just the standard Disney Princess traits, just for early 2000's so it's based around music and weird vaguely supernatural stuff(There's a reason Ouija boards had a comeback in that timeframe inexplicably). Is she a Disney Princess? No, she's not, because a Disney Princess is a brand name that has nothing to do with anything outside of a trademark they slap on shit. Does she do Disney Princess stuff? Yeah, which is why little girls liked her.

Next you'll tell me you think the main character from Princess Diaries doesn't feel like a disney princess.

>>149101978
>Ariel
She was quirky sure but outside of her obsession with the surface world she wasn't really shunned or disliked. She comes up with weird names out of ignorance, rather than because she's weird.
>Belle
She just reads. Like in-universe this is weird but she's definitely more of a girl power "women can be more than just housewives" type character.
>Mulan
Again, her rebellion is meant to be empowering. Wanting to go to war in order to save her father is noble and like...sure she fails at the marriage ceremony but it feels more like a "she's not meant for being a traditional girl."
Lilo is weird in almost every social way she can be, moreso than the other princesses quirks. She feeds PBJ to a fish, she takes photos of fat tourists, she gets into fights and bites people, She carries around a ratty patchwork doll who she claims had head surgery, She listens to elvis and nails her sister out of the house, She wants the ugliest dog in the pound, She gives him a baby bottle of coffee, She has a calm phone conversation as her house is destroyed by aliens. The other princesses HAVE quirks. Lilo IS quirky. But she's quirky in a way a lotta kids are weird. Disney princesses tend to have humanizing features to make the audience go "wow, I can relate to her" but Lilo goes so far to show what a weird kid is really like, even at the risk of doing stuff that is dangerous and immatable like leaving several pots boiling on the stove or hiding in a dryer (which had to be edited cuz standards and practices are cowards). She's probably one of the most grounded and real disney characters rather than an ideal to be fawned over or strived for.

>>149080710
>>149080841
How did this ever even gain a footing?
No one likes this.

>>149101396
Brother Bear was a huge success!?

>>149095249
>kids dont want to watch movies they like video games. all the cucked millenials complaining how much they would hated this as a child are missing the point

Lets go with this, even if its all about gaming NO BOY wants to play as a Lame Character. That's what Elio is. Why do you think Epic Mickey failed? Because Mickey Mouse is a Lame Character.

Why do you think Ninja Turtles Shredder's Revenge was a success because the Ninja Turtles at the bare minimum superficially look COOL.

But I also disagree about kids not wanting movies, look at the trilogy of Sonic Movies recently. Boys loved them because Sonic is cool especially once they fixed his Ugly Sonic design. The only sad thing is that Sonic Movie 4 is all about Shitty Feminism so that movie is going to ruin everything.

>>149102630
It's at least impressive they waited 4 movies without incorporating a female Sonic character. I can already tell though they're going to reverse Sonic and Amy's dynamic, especially since they "censored" him pushing her away in Generations' re-release. In the movie he's probably going to be the one being goofy and fawning over her while she finds it kinda dumb or getting in the way

>>149102630
Movie sonic is a fucking dumb baby and he sucks ass. He's the least cool version of sonic in existence. He has no bite, no edge and he takes fat Ls constantly.

>>149102567
some shows with this style did really well a decade ago so it's the only thing that's been getting taught in art schools (scams)

>>149098977
>released just 12 days after Chamber of Secrets
>one of the most played ads for it spoiled everything
Disney sent it out to die.

>>149102557
>she wasn't really shunned or disliked
She was explicitly the one that didn't connect well with her gaggle of sisters. They have all of one scene of importance in the movie and it's them not 'Getting' her. Sebastian thinks she's weird and Flounder is her only onscreen friend, its obvious she doesn't fit in and it's a major plotpoint.
>Like in-universe this is weird
Well it wasn't just reading, she had a whole song about it, in addition to, again, not connecting with the rest of the place despite them being pretty nice to her and a visible social outcast.
>Again, her rebellion is meant to be empowering
But also a source of most of the films comedy. She doesn't fit in with the boys right away and keeps messing up and coming off incredibly awkward, the very first scene with Shang is a prime example. She's obviously meant to be quirky and weird, even discounting her not fitting the traditional mold. Don't forget Mulan also starts out not having any friends and in her setting is pretty much to it what Lilo is to her own world case.

>Disney princesses tend to have humanizing features to make the audience go "wow, I can relate to her"
That's Lilo's love of Elvis and "Bully" character she fights with. Saying "She bites people" ignores this is supposed to be the part of her fighting back against bullies because that was a BIG thing with media in the late 90's and early 00's, literally every show that lasted more than 13 episodes had it in some capacity. While the rest of what you said about her traits are true, and yeah they're more pronounced than the more idealized stuff like Jasmines lack of understanding of the world, they're still ultimately just weird quirks that are still presented for comedy and, despite what you said, to humanize her like a Disney Princess flaws would.

Because, you know, she's made to be for little girls to think "Oh she's quirky and funny"

>>149102694
Even if they don't do that Amy is blatantly going to be an obnoxious Tough Capable Woman archetype. Anyone remember the scene with Sonic telling Knuckles regarding the Black Wife character that Knuckles needs to BACK DOWN whenever the Black Wife is angry? And worse Knuckles listens to Sonic. This is what's going to happen with Amy. The Black Wife character in these movies can be ignored due to little screen time in the majority of this trilogy of movies.

But a MAIN Sonic Female Character who is usually considered part of the founding characters of the franchise now that's a different story. I can already see Tails and Knuckles being emasculated and if Hollywood is toxic enough I can see even Shadow cowering because of Amy Rose.

>>149083051
saved

>>149102730
Hey I don't like Movie Sonic but I recognize that at face value once they fixed his terrible design he looks cool. To me the only good "movie" Sonic is the OVA one he has attitude and bite. Real shame Sega is not letting Sonic be cool.

>>149103040
Your autism aside I could see them having Shadow get nervous around Amy, it's very common, predictable humor where even the strong edgy type gets scared by a girl when she's angry.

>>149080710
El ogro de las Americas…

>>149103040
>. Anyone remember the scene with Sonic telling Knuckles regarding the Black Wife character that Knuckles needs to BACK DOWN whenever the Black Wife is angry?
...No?

When the fuck was this? He showed up with them for like 1 scene at the end of Sonic 2 where they did family baseball and at the start of sonic 3 they just have a fun picnic, and there's no scene where she gets angry when they come back via ring to do the infiltration. What scene is this?

>>149082297
>Movies used to be about a cool looking hero or pretty princess going on some huge adventure and stopping a bad guy and making cute animal friends.
You realize there are movies out there that don't involve Disney nor Arnold Schwarzenegger, right?

>>149103061
Alright Anon. We're on the same page there.

>>149103074
It was from that show nobody watched on the streaming service nobody has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jp_PqnB_38

I think the intent's more supposed to be she's the mom of the group, since obviously the guy is supposed to be Sonic's dad.

>>149094404
This for me. Even when watching things like anime I never liked wimps. Its why even to this day for as long as this franchises continues to exist I hate Gohan from the Dragon Ball series. He's a wuss. You got a series about fighting and he's a wuss and worse its implied he's potentially more powerful than all the fighters in the franchise I just could not believe that bullshit not even years ago. A wuss is never stronger than someone inherently tough.

And don't get me started on harem protagonists who act like sissies when realistically a young dude would quickly outgrow any awkwardness and start having sex with the girls who throw themselves at him. I cannot stand weak lame males.

And you know what whether its in anime or in western media we've seen an over exaggerated increase of wimps. And I hate how many idiots go around pretending "Oh Dipper from Gravity Falls is so alpha!" No he's not. We haven't seen actual good male characters in stuff in decades really. I struggle to think when was the last time North America made an actual masculine character that is original.

>>149103167
>I struggle to think when was the last time North America made an actual masculine character that is original.
Spear from Primal.

>>149103150
Knuckles is out of character because Knuckles has never cared about chivalry. If a woman is getting in his face and is aggressive Knuckles fights back. He did it to Rouge in Sonic Adventure 2 and even in Archie Sonic there was a scene with Amy getting into a fight with Knuckles during a tournament and Knuckles quickly beat her.

So the whole Knuckles backs down from a combative female is nonsense. I cringe in advance whenever they release Sonic Movie 4 with the new fighter Amy Rose. That's going to be poison for these movies.

>>149103194
Didn't he get killed off to make room for this Feminist Daughter? That's another tactic that these bastards use, kill off the men so that women take over. The man is bait to you hooked onto a movie series or seasonal series but the true star is the leading female character that will replace him.

>>149102587
Made slightly over 5x its budget.

>>149101521
The sad thing is that Disney had a strong hold on the boys market during its midcentury heyday. That market was build on the back of their live-action adventure films and tv series. Adventureland, Frontierland, Port Orleans/Liberty Square, those exist because in the 1950s and 60s Disney was making bank on boys entertainment starring cowboys, frontiersmen, explorers, and various men of action across the globe. And I think they really fumbled it when PotC became a smash hit because the initial lesson they took from it was "we need to make films based on ride IPs" followed by "we need to spend a whole lot of money on these films" which poisoned the well because it meant not only diverging studio directions but more or less requiring every film to be a hit because of the money sink. This even extends to Star Wars, resulting in $780 million in profits out of $2 billion in revenue for TFA because the budget was so damn high.

>>149095103
I watched it. It was...meh. Not great, not stupid.
>Elio is a dumbass autist kid so that explains why he makes some really stupid mistakes and takes his aunt's words out of context
>Aliens are cowards that leave Elio to stop the alien warlord(Trump stand in)
>The Federation/Science Consortium that are supposed to be the good guys seem more like Space Las Vegas as all Elio and his friend do is binge drinks, throw up, eat junk food, and throw up some more
>Teratophiles and alien fuckers on /aco/ will probably like it though.
Overall it's a C. Queershit is dumbed down to 'blink and you'll miss it'. Elio's design is passable simply because no other human looks any better. And the evil monsters becoming vulnerable to save their kid is an okay thing...if it wasn't already done before. Really I think the biggest problem is that Disney has been poisoning their property so long, everyone is on alert for any wokeshit and it takes away from the story.


Also I need to figure out where a human would fuck this thing.

>>149103167
>And don't get me started on harem protagonists who act like sissies
Those are actually way more rare nowadays than "Cool and confident" MC's. In general whimpy characters in anime are a dying breed and they're almost always the side characters now. I think the closest is Tanjiro? Even then he's not a wimp, just overly nice guy who still goes all out in the action scenes. The biggest harem anime right now is Mushoku Tensei and the recent season ended up with him having a pregnant wife and sleeping with his childhood crush after killing a giant hydra, and in Shonen it's unheard of. Yuji's not gonna act like a pussy around Nobara, Solo Leveling guy has exactly one expression most of the time and its dull "Badass stare".

Just saying bringing "Harem protagonists" into this feels like a complaint from before the coof era, this is a solved problem.

>>149103221
>Feminist Daughter?
What about Spear's daughter was feminist? We saw her for like 5 minutes and all she said was "RAAAAGH!" What's feminist about that?

>>149099629
My immediate thought when we first saw the character designs in tandem with the first released details is that on a visual level Elio looked like a mother's fantasy about what a cute and compliant little boy looked like. His design is just really saccharine. There were other good designs but I wonder if they were passed over for looking a little too realistic, Pixar prefers more cartoonish bodies with squatter head to body ratios and maybe they didn't want to stray from the house style too much?

Jesse Aclin's design was more cartoonish and in line with Pixar's design sensibilities but I'm guessing it got passed over because Aclin's designed looked too similar to Linguini and the lanky blue brother from Onward.

>>149103234
>chibi Drossel
You rub your dick on her and jizz in her servos, anon.

>>149103221
>Didn't he get killed off to make room for this Feminist Daughter
Nope.
>"Season three and onward of the show will not follow Spear and Mira’s offspring"
Its an anthology series now

>>149103251
I'm talking about the floating squid that has an 'Ara ara' voice.

>>149097375
>True, and nowadays people flocked to watching animated japanese teens doing literally anything.

Have you seen anime for years now? The male characters suck. I could not get into One Piece because Luffy is fucking annoying with how ungodly stupid he is. And the other male characters aren't much better.

Hero Academia I had to drop strictly because I hated the main hero, he's a crybaby. And Naruto is awful because Naruto is a masochist wuss who allows himself to get abused by everyone. And then you have other examples like Attack on Titan where the main protagonist near the end reveals he's a Super Wuss. You thought he was tough and had some kind of plan but it turns out he's a crybaby wuss at the end. Total character assassination.

Japan keeps making lame male characters. And I largely stopped watching anime because of this shit. And another thing to hell with Isakai shit, be a loser in real and inexplicably when you go to a new world you are a powerful rich winner and all the ladies will worship you....trash.

>>149103167
Kys sperging faggot

>>149103275
>>149103276

>>149080821
The bodyswapping beaver one looks like shit too, be for real man

>>149103276
All his shitty rants will be deleted anyway

>>149103344
Can we delete him too?

>>149103231
>The sad thing is that Disney had a strong hold on the boys market during its midcentury heyday.
It's not like they had completely lost it, Lion King was a massive hit with boys. Tarzan is probably the reason most of those future films got made, it was more successful than most of their Renaissance movies. But, as you mentioned, whenever they go into boy media they suddenly get much more expensive. Atlantis was a massive money sink and Treasure Planet was the most expensive 2D animated film of all time-funny enough it's not even in the top 20 most expensive animated films due to the absurd cost gap of CGI above 2D-which put way more pressure to succeed on it. And when they didn't with films like Brother Bear, the complaint was that it didn't light up the box office like Shrek 2 had just a few months before.

Gearing the boys stuff towards girls also didn't help matters, since Rise of Skywalker made 1 billion less than TFA after that well got poisoned, but that's a completely other matter unrelated to the various rise and falls of animation styles and wasn't an issue at all during said 2D fall or CGI rise.

>>149080635 (OP)
>it's currently bombing

Did OP know what would happen?

>>149103549
Did you not see the little link in the post?

>>149103588
Different bombing.

Christ you guys are so obsessed with boys and whether shit appeals to them or not, as if the fabric of humanity will disintegrate if things they don't like exist

>>149084227
>>149084187
So is the new rules humans can look appealing or good in the new 3d animation style? Because seeing how they had some fun designs that still aren't just generic photo realistic but went for the more dopey looking overly exaggerated shape design that doesn't translate well into 3d art is so crazy. It happens everytime almost the 2d concepts are 1000x better than the final 3d

>>149081132
Intellectual sitting position.

>>149103264
My apologies. You get better taste, then you rub your dick on Chibi Drossel and jizz in her servos.

>>149103517
Disney needs to something like 2 bickering brothers get lost in a remote forest/mountain/desert/jungle, have to work together to survive the wilderness and some dangerous animal that is a metaphor for something while bonding. $120 million max budget, it's thrilling, it's heartwarming, do a product placement for some mid-priced outdoors wear, have the younger sibling adopt an injured squirrel they find on the way for a cute mascot character, and honestly it'd be pretty difficult for it to bomb.

>>149081966
Even when there isn't gay and lame, My pattern recognizing brain has already recognized anything that looks like modern pixar/calarts as lame and gay.

>>149082823
any millenial obsessed with newgrounds and satan almost always goes this route, or the complete opposite route, no in betweens.

I thought they said they were stoping auto biographical story telling I really doubt this will reach international success like elemental did which was saved by Koreans

>>149098273
>>149098638
Does College/University just murder the creativity out of people why have i seen more original and creative ideas on deviant art and pixiv? (Keep in mind i do not even like the people making said creative projects/art/animation). I remember a meme about that being posted either here or in /ic/ but i cant find it?

>>149103939
No, studio exec demands and budget issues is what kills creativity.

>>149081132
The movie was conceived by a gay Mexican.

>>149097711
Not kids but boys. They only do this queer coded effeminate emasculated BULLSHIT with male characters for male audiences. Girls on the other hand get their girly media and their glorified Mary Sue bullshit like the Barbie movie designed to prop up women while shitting on men. And gong by how successful that Barbie movie is women are loving it.

All entertainment is owned by Shitty Jews and this is why everything is an attack on male demographics. Don't matter if you're a boy or a man the industry of Jewish and intentionally designed to insult you for existing as a straight fellow. And the worst part is that you would think that after GENERATIONS of being attacked boys and men would stop giving western media a chance but here they are still watching shitty movies like The Batman with the race swapped Catwoman who hates white men. To a certain degree western men deserve to get shat on since they keep buying shit.

>>149096191
I look at this and laugh because Nick from Disney's Zootopia 2 is now wearing a pink shirt. Further boosting the whole He's A Closet Gay stereotype. Nick is a lame character and if he had any male fans who were normal they are going to be driven away now that he wears a pink shirt. Don't be fooled by political correctness, male characters wearing pink are STILL looked down upon.

And Disney continues to be incapable of making good male characters. Disney is shit for girls.

>>149104200
>All entertainment is owned by Shitty Jews and this is why everything is an attack on male demographics. Don't matter if you're a boy or a man the industry of Jewish and intentionally designed to insult you for existing as a straight fellow.

This. I'm surprised how many idiots don't notice the Jews being involved in all this shit.

>>149098723
Hiccup from How To Train Your Dragon is not cool. He had a cool fire sword but because Western Animation Is Infantile he doesn't get to use his cool fire sword to beat the villain. Hiccup is lame. He's the stereotype of the social outcast beta dweeb with a crush on hottest girl from his school and he inexplicably wins her heart because that's the fantasy of social outcast beta males.

I didn't like him one bit and the writers could not help themselves they revealed Hiccup was never the first human to discover bonding with dragons it was actually Hiccup's Mary Sue deadbeat bitch of a mother whom Hiccup does not hate for abandoning him ALL his life. That horrible sequel really ruined whatever sliver of potential How To Train Your Dragon had. And they killed off Hiccup's father while that shitty mother survived. That was infuriating.

>>149086640
But it didn't bomb, it was just slow to get off the line. It found its legs later on and now half the kids I work with cite it as one of their favourite movies.

>>149098634
Because we've seen the end result.

Trash sequels
Live action remakes of animated movies

These sell well with Stupid Normies. So this is the future of animation. Why be original when you can be uninspired and still rake in the billions? And why shouldn't companies do this? Companies know that the customer is a shit for brain idiot.

>>149104334
I smell a liar. The characters in elemental look shitty and lame. And the movie is a Rom Com but staring cartoony ugly characters. Who is the audience for this? I suspect no one except the shitty Korean director and his self therapy group.

Rom Coms have never been popular with men because men hate those kinds of shitty movies that their girlfriend and wives drag them to. And women? If women watch Rom Coms its in live action with attractive actors not wobbly water and fire elemental cartoons. I fucking doubt any kid genuinely found that boring drivel amusing. And same to other examples like Soul.

>>149098638
>It just seems like the creative team at Pixar is completely out of ideas.

The problem is not that they're out of ideas because all studios run out of ideas. The problem is they actively prevent hiring anyone who is relatively normal and can invent decent concepts. Disney and Pixar have modern rules where they don't hire...

Straight White Men.

The only employees Pixar has are Shitty White Women preferably if they are aging spinsters, Shitty Queer Men, and Non Whites. With these kinds of shitty subhumans as the creatives in a studio you WILL get shit.

>>149103996
This. When you're hired at a studio they don't want your raw creative ideas. They want you to follow The Message the agenda. That's the filter for every single concept that will become a movie or in the case of Amazon a series. This is all by intentional Jewish Design.

>>149098977
You know Jim is not really a cool male character, he's an emotional young man because his father abandoned him. Something that NEVER happened in Treasure Island's book by the way. This was another example of Disney shitting on men. Now Jim has a chip on his shoulder hating his father while his heroic single mother is keeping him alive because Disney is all about in SOME WAY insulting men.

Fuck Disney. Just fuck Disney for their anti male rhetoric.

>>149098913
This. America has always struggled with genuinely cool male characters especially if they are to be male leads. The Jews don't like actual strong males because it means it could inspire men to rebel against Jewish Rule. That's why you always get emasculated idiots like Fred Flinstone who is afraid of his wife or Scooby Doo where all the male characters are jokes while the girl solves the mystery. North America was compromised a long time ago.

And I suspect even once great characters like Bugs Bunny were a trap since Bugs Bunny cross dresses wearing women's clothing. America has never had cool characters even Batman is an ENABLER of repeat offending serial killer criminals.

>>149104574
Do you want male characters to just be emotionless stoic warriors or what?

>>149098977
The only Disney male character I could say is cool is Sora from Kingdom Hearts but Sora's cool factor has more to do with his powers the actual character himself? Sora is an idiot. He's so stupid he makes Homer Simpson look like a genius. Sora is ungodly stupid and he's shielded from the consequences of his idiocy with Bad Writing.

So with Sora from Kingdom Hearts as far as Disney males go, he's cool but it comes with a HUGE however...because again he's fucking stupid.

>>149104718
I think Disney should not be shitting on male characters to create "substance" in a pre existent story. And as far as original material goes Disney needs to stop being politically correct because it destroys male characters by sheer default. But Disney won't do that so with that said, I want the House of Jews known as Disney to be fucking destroyed.

>>149098913
>>149098977
Disney's branding is just too strong. And it's more than just them making 'princess' movies. It's that they make very safe movies that need to be appropriate for 4 year old boys. Think about it, what is cool?
>A willingness to buck conformity
>Being above the rules or being a representative of authority
>Not caring too deeply about other people's perceptions of oneself
>Being able to do dangerous things competently and effectively

NONE of that is acceptable to millions of parents. What parents want for their little boys to look up to as role models are NOT COOL because you as a parent don't want your son sassing back at you or ignoring your rules or trying to emulate something dangerous they saw in a movie. So long as Disney is stuck making acceptable role models for babies we will never get cool male protagonists. I'd argue that none of their female MCs are cool either other than maybe Mulan.

>>149099629
>The funny thing is, anime is right over there. The male characters can be stylised and sometimes even a little effeminate by western standards, but still resonate to people who prefer masculine protagonists.

Meh anime can be deceiving. Look at examples like Vash from Trigun he looks cool but you watch the series and realize he's a disgusting pussy. Vash and his I Will Never Kill Criminals bullshit is annoying and when he killed an actual serial killer he cried like a little bitch even though said serial killer was worthy of the death penalty.

And then you have examples like Spike from Cowboy Bebop. The man looks tough like he's been through the ringer fighting criminals as a bounty hunter but when you learn about his past and his motivation you lose all respect for him, he is am an incapable of living without his pussy so he INTENTIONALLY goes on a suicide mission to get himself killed off to be with his dead girlfriend essentially. He was a man chasing an wanting death because he can't live without his oneitis pussy.

And then there's other examples like Guts from Berserk, he's a tough macho man but his goal in life is to rescue a woman who......treated him like shit.

So my point is anime CAN be deceiving. You got male characters who look masculine and tough but at their core they are fucking gutless weakling emasculated trash.

>>149103239
Tanjiro isn't a wimp, he's just polite. He's tough when it counts.

How come when Pixar makes a coming-of-age film about a human boy, the title is his name, but when they make one for a human girl, the title is something else?

>>149104847
By parents you mean Single Mothers because I assure you that for multiple decades North America is a Single Mother shit hole. Fathers are chill and don't mind a bit of angst and rebellion from male characters in media. Its shitty mothers who interfere and we definitively see this in the school academia system where they are forcing boys to be like Girl Students. So yes this is a problem created by shitty women.

And as far as Disney goes the biggest thing dudes of all ages can do is ABANDON Disney. Reject Disney for the crime of being Disney. Boys and men alike should look at Disney and go "They never make anything for us" and give them a middle finger.

>>149104957
Turning Red crossed the line for me when Mei broke her classmate's arm. It was impossible to cheer for her after that. I hated the mom at first but it turned out she was completely right about her stupid selfish daughter.

>>149104721
Don't matter Kingdom Hearts is a dying series. Kingdom Hearts 3 and all the horrible flaws in the series are finally killing that series. Kingdom Hearts 4 is bound to sell like trash.

>>149105001
I disagree. I think a lot of fathers are actually very dominating over their sons. They want a mini-me, or a permanent fawning sidekick, if they want their son to be successful and independent they want their son to do so in a very specific way. History is full of examples of father-son conflicts, the Ottoman empire's history is rife with attempted patricide/fraticide for claim to the throne, the foundation of Greek myth is predicated on a lineage of sons rising against their fathers to claim power. It's not a theme I see explored very much in modern fiction very much but it's a social tension that does exist between people now and one that has always existed.

So there are definitely fathers that want cool characters for their sons to look up to but there are also absolutely fathers that would be incensed by depictions of fictional child rebellion.

>>149105038
Turning Red as a story has no moral characters. The main lead and the antagonist are both horrible. Mei's mother is a shitty bitch she literally threatens to accuse a boy of being a rapist towards Mei to get him arrested despite the boy not even knowing Mei. And Mei herself is a trashy westernized modern slut in the making. There are no likable characters in this shit story.

How do you know Turning Red failed? Furries don't care about the animal transformation. And even the LOSERS who have Milf fetishes FAILED to get people excited over Mei's Mother. That's how you know something failed not even the Loser Masturbators supported it due to their kinks.

>>149105271
Its not explored anymore because too many western nations are Single Mother shitholes. Maybe it used to be standard for Fathers and Sons to have conflict but not anymore for many generations now because we are living in the era of the Shitty Single Mother who is busy raising tomorrow's criminals and sluts.

Get with the times this is modernity.

>>149105271
Its not explored anymore because too many western nations are Single Mother shitholes. Maybe it used to be standard for Fathers and Sons to have conflict but not anymore for many generations now because we are living in the era of the Shitty Single Mother who is busy raising tomorrow's criminals and sluts.

Get with the times this is modernity.

>>149080635 (OP)
What emotion does this pose convey?

>>149080841
this looks like a dall e prompt

>>149084158
Who would be part of El Mano de Dio of Los Ogros?

>>149085958
I think you’re onto something here. A lot of the greatest Pixar films were about “work-a-day Joes” with fantastical jobs presented as mundane
>Toy Story staff meetings and Woody running the toys like a business
>Monsters Inc. in its entirety
>WALL-E’s daily routine
>Inside Out and the emotions’ jobs
>Cars (1) about Lightning getting uprooted from his career
I remember from the DVD commentary for the Incredibles about how the key to a lot of Pixar’s success is the juxtaposition of the mundane and the fantastic, and how you can make the audience think one is the other.

>Atlantis
>Treasure Planet
>Mars Needs Mom
>Lightyear
>Strange World
Disney is just cursed when it comes to making full on sci-fi movies.

>>149097822
>>149098211
Did you not watch Luca?

>>149081966
We're past the subversive phase, now it's just pure, unadulterated slop.

>>149097711
I’ve got a gay cousin who’s in a relationship and effectively parents his husband’s kid from his ex-wife. The weird thing is, the two of them are fairly normal, but the kid is absolutely flaming. Gay speech impediment, crossed legs, those weird hand gestures, everything. How does this happen?

>>149106699
cousin or one of cousin's gay buddies made the kid a woman
in the butt
using penis

>>149097711
Double dubs. There's two ways it could play out, either the boy becomes a flaming faggot or he becomes a macho shithead to rebel against a faggy culture.

>>149106813
darn.

test

>>149094215
Damn, he was an Elio fan before Elio was even made?

>>149103679
>don't
>like
You go those two backwards. The fabric of humanity as it is currently known will stop existing if we can't supply carrots to all demographics below the age of menopause. You think people are playing nice with random assholes for decades on end because they want to? Without a working I.V. drip of Pavlov's fetish catalog, it's all uphill and profits stop rolling in.

>>149082473
all that doesn't matter when the immediate visual of the movie (the kid) looks extremely flat and forgettable. You'd think after the mountain of animated space flops this century (Mars needs Moms, Planet 51, etc) that Disney and Pixar would know that having round soft character designs doesn't work for sci-fi movies (Lilo&Stitch does not refute this)

>>149106974
I won't lie, I think sci-fi just kind of has bad aesthetics compared to fantasy. I think sci-fi probably looked and felt different and better to people in the past when the world on display felt more distant and thus more theoretically achievable. Our reality is nipping at the heels of our fiction so sci-fi becomes mundane and what we are left with are . . . bad aesthetics.

Male MCs would work just fine in fantasy, maybe they should just try that.

>>149081966
If not lame and gay why lame shaped?

They literally trained us to see lame and gay as a packaged deal.

Stop making lame shit and maybe we will attempt to see if it isn't gay too.

>>149098211
>butt shot
if only...

>>149081755
>white person makes thing
>completely relatable even if you share completely different background

>asian woman makes thing
>CHING CHONG BING BONG
>IMMIGRANT FAMILY STRUGGLES

>>149100663
>lilo is absolutely a disney princess type, just very young
She's absolutely not. First off, disney princesses are not supposed to be very young, and when they are they look like picrel. Lilo is ugly-cute, she's like 6 years old but she was designed to look like a baby with potato nose. She's probably not meant to be ugly or fat in-universe because all the little girls in the movie look like that, but she's million miles away from the disney princess look. And of course she's not actual royalty or anything of the sort, she's a random little girl from Hawaii whose family is struggling to survive.

She's also an autistic, weird, and occasionally aggressive outcast, while classic disney princesses are Mary Sues with perfect singing voice instantly loved by every man, woman and beast they interact with except for the villain. Her animal sidekick is a disgusting little gremlin from space who eats his own boogers and dreams about becoming a kaiju. No love interest either, at least in the movies, while disney princesses are extremely romance-brained. All the classic ones are also very white. If Lilo is a disney princess type, so is Janna from svtfoe.

>>149107016
Sci-fi fantasy works just fine, but I don't think Disney is interested in making it's own Space overlord, or knight mecha animation anytime soon.
Maybe if Warhammer actually gets a bit popular they may try to do a space fantasy adventure but I don't think they have it in them to be genuine and autistic enough to care about chivalry, fantastical aliens and fantasy kingdoms in space.
>>149107861
I have to agree here. I like Lilo for what she is, but her movie is about family first and foremost with some fantastical elementa thrown in for entertainment purposes.

>149103275
The megalobox protagonist was a chad. I liked the odd taxi one as well and Lupin is getting a new movies so wrong.

>>149106640
Nobody watched Luca.

>>149104957
Boys are interesting because they just do shit. A girl doing something is always with the goal if trying to abbot people or beg for attention.

>>149103679
Shut up, tits.

>>149102998
I hate them all.

>>149093377
Kys sperging faggot

>>149102630
Kys tranny

>>149108551
Seething fag

>>149080635 (OP)
How is a movie bombing on its premiere day? Come back in three months and we'll see if it bombed or not.

>>149103679

The entire western TV industry has forgotten what demographics are. All it does is make stuff for political reasons or because something is in a franchise, rather than aiming a story at an audience.

The animated industry, in particular, has completely abandoned boys as a demographic, despite it being culturally important and also lucrative. Boys have to go to videogames and foreign media, otherwise all they have is feminised characters.

>>149109210
Your brain rot is showing.

>>149109210
Is this really what The Critical Drinker is teaching young men?

>>149107820
>this also applies to elemental
grim.

>>149109464
>>149109542

Do you have an actual counterargument that disproves this, or...?

This isn't reddit.

>>149108866
Multipliers are a pretty reliable prediction of total box office. It is really really rare for a film to go above 4x the opening weekend gross for its entire run, well liked family films tend to get 3.5x. There's not going to be an Elemental style resurgence for this film where the trailers hid that it was a love story as much as a story about immigration.

>>149108866
Movies typically make a sizable chunk of their box office earnings during the first week and most of that is earned during the opening weekend. Movies with staying power may break this trend, like Titanic, LOTR, or Frozen… but Elio’s no Frozen.

Elemental made $30M its opening weekend, $12M on opening night. Elio made $9M opening night and is projected to maybe hit $20-25 total over the weekend. That doesn’t bode well.

Why did they make the main character's design look so boring...this is the most important character in their story and they made them look as bland as possible.

>>149109818
It’s only going to get Boringer going forward.

>>149107820
>relatable
How sad is your life, that you need fictional characters to relate to?

>>149109818
domee shit

>mfw kpop demon hunters would've made more money than elio if it actually had a decent theatrical run

>>149109828
Ask Asians and blacks that

>>149109542
Kys troon

>>149109833
Is it really a Domee Shi thing though? The main in turning red was alright especially with the alternate panda design. And then for the shorts she directed the designs were crazy strong.

The character in Elio is so powerfully boring that it seems purposeful. Like they wanted to make them bland for a thematic or storytelling reason, but doing that seems like a terrible idea? You can make a character plain without making them boring or generic.

>>149109966
It's a "literally me" character created by a gay Mexican man who can't draw >>149085687, in a movie directed by Domee and looking like Domee's beanmouth characters in Bao etc. >>149081780 with the extra long snout. Yes it is Domee's fault and the other guy's too, among others. As this movie shows, a design can be bland and disgusting at the same time. It's a layered sort of disaster.

>>149106699
Flamers are genetic and remain flamers until they get bullied into repressing it or they don't if they have the confidence to fight for themselves. Also damn these posts remind me I live in backwater shithole of a country
T. Gay

>>149080710
El chimpo negrito le monstrou

>>149100663
>lilo is absolutely a disney princess type
Actual insanity.

>>149080710
>My ancestors...

>>149080635 (OP)
>$9 million opening day
Fucking yeesh

>>149084097
Holy based image

>>149080710
In an alternative world.
The cast would've been actual monkeys.
No reason. Just monkeys and aliens.
Stil would've bombed.

https://x.com/BORReport/status/1936807637104066879

It's Over.

Unlike Elemental, which rolled out in different countries overtime, Elio has been released everywhere except China, Japan and Sweden.

>>149110979
It's also just not as funny as Elemental.

I don't get the obsession with the potato art style with modern Pixar. Like who honestly things this shit looks good? Why did you make this your style?

So no gay Elio material besides the belly flash? Lame. Guess Luca is the superior shotacon movie

>>149085066
>>149080710
Monkey! :D

>>149111755
kys

>>149111849
for?

>>149111546
Dude America has always taken pride in having the ugliest art styles ever. Been this way since Betty Boop who is Western Animation's first sex icon. That stupid ugly looking twat. This is why anime eternally kicks ass.

Western animation has always used either cartoony art styles or ugly ones. Rarely do you get good art styles like Disney's Gargoyles.

>>149081966
reading comprehension: failed

>>149094215
>Durr huur hurr ANIME IS PEDO hurr hurr hurr

how stupid are you? You are turning that word into a buzzword

>>149111962
go back to /a/ sakurapedo

>>149110979
Oof, if sales today don't surpass projections then it's on track for half of Elemental's opening weekend.

>>149111894
Shut the fuck up and painfully kys tranny

>>149111986
>DURR HUR HUR PEDO PEDU HUR HUR HUR

Ever heard of "Reset the Clock"?

Stop projecting buddie.

>>149111546
>>149111894
The issue with modern Pixar's style (along with most modern western animated movies) isn't that its ugly, its that it's boring. There's nothing interesting about the style or character designs, not helped by the by the numbers plot and the aliens looking just as generic and unmemorable, which admittingly were still the most memorable thing to come out of the studio in years but that speaks more about the quality of the other movies than this one.

>>149080841
Is this CGI calarts?

>>149080841
they look like the dogshit Duolingo art

>>149111894
I fucking hate Betty Boop. She's a literal ugly pug, and even after they unpugified her a little she still looks like a buttheaded baby doll with a woman's body, saggy cheeks and ugly hair. Why would anyone want to fuck that abomination? Fucking Americans.

>>149096476
never forget what they took away from you

>>149096513
ew a mutt

>>149112040
Disagree because the art style of this film is not boring but ugly. You can try to flip it but you are wrong this is an ugly art style.

I wonder what the people who worked on this movie feel like. Are they sad, or do they not care because they still got paid?

I like hetero pedos more than faggot gay lala suck cock pedos

>>149112135
Exactly, bitch is ugly. And her competition were other ugly skanks like Olive from Popeye. North America has always celebrated ugliness. And then you have other ugly bitches like Wilmda from Flinstones. And don't care how overrated this bitch is but Velma from Scooby Doo looks mediocre. And then you have the failures at life who consider Frankie from Fosters attractive and keep spamming that ugly whore. And then there's the idiots who think that Advnture Time females are hot its an ugly fest.

>>149112257
Anyone who works under a major animation studio is either soulless as fuck or is just doing it to get their foot in the door for a chance at directing their own shit

>>149112257
Don't worry they will be replaced by ai.

>>149112257
it's probably one faggot acting as the auteur, he's probably sobbing, everyone else probably knew it was going to bomb, but probably not this fucking hard

>>149098913
member Titan AE? That was cool (ignoring the bad cg half the time). Tanked what was left of Bluth's career

>>149098913
Since animation is usually watered down you can't really do a cool male character by default. Thinking about cool male characters you get examples like Zorro but he's not from animation. And speaking of which Disney made their own Zorro series and its censored shit compared to the other Non Disney Zorro media.

>>149112135
>>149112267
Shut the fuck up you faggots

>>149112040
The boy looks like a literal chimp. Chimps are hideous.

>>149080841
The annoying thing is... the series is actually good. It's just the designs suck

>>149086055
It really feels like the last time this site had changed.

>>149082673
Aardman learnt this decades ago. You almost never see an in focus character that isn't mostly facing towards the camera. Even when two characters are "facing" each other, they're still really facing the camera. But then they're a skilled studio that puts care into their films and doesn't just throw money at the screen.

>>149112184
>>149112617
If the movie and characters were ugly, I would at least remember it. I can't say I do

>>149099678
Ashi's ape like features juxtaposes well against Jacks more refined and streamlined face. It says something about both characters without a single line of dialogue being needed. Which is a fun thing to do, but it takes artists who gives a shit.

>>149082297
>cool looking hero
Yeah such as Bambi, Dumbo, Pinocchio and Mowgli. Real masculine stuff

>>149112872
Some people like chimps.
Some people see them for the evil they are.

I'm happy these soft around the edges movies are failing. I understand they're for kids, but so was Tarzan and that shit still had some edge to it. We need more movies to be daring or actually cool and not this "UWU" bullshit that we've been getting.

Besides that, companies need to remember they have to appeal to parents too. If the kids movie doesn't look at least mildly interesting to an adult, they won't take their kid to the movies. Again, Toy Story was that (in part because it taps into a specific piece of nostalgia for everyone), and Lightyear wasn't (they tried to make Interstellar for kids, no parent is taking their kids to that).

>>149112978
Bambi's the outlier as he was supposed to look soft and childish as part of his character arc. Dumbo does look cool; he's a fucking flying elephant with big ears. Pinocchio looks cool for a similar reason. A wooden boy who wants to be a real boy is just interesting and attention getting.

I did not watch Mowgli's movie, but he just looks like a typical boy. So not hyper masculine but nothing that would repel a boy.

>>149113026
Millennials can't make cool stuff especially not millennial women

>>149113042
If those faggots are cool so is the sexy felty grub alien.

>>149098513
Yeah, he does. He looks like a kid who gets bullied. He looks like the kind of character a woman would draw. He was not designed for male interest and it shows. That one post saying that this movie looks like it was designed by someone who was molested at a young age and liked it just rings true whenever I catch an image of this awful looking film. Letting women and homosexuals solely have creative reigns in DIsney/Pixar has been phenomenally unremarkable.

>>149108551
Blissful chad

>>149113138
>Letting women and homosexuals solely have creative reigns in DIsney/Pixar has been phenomenally unremarkable.

And its by Jewish Design. Disney for a long time now has a rule about making sure Straight White Males are not hired. This is all intentional.

>>149100876
>Lilo and Stitch losing to Ice Age
Well it had a very, very contentious art design and still does. Masturbating to the older sister and lifeguard or the people who, for some reason, impressed themselves upon Stitch and them shipped themselves with Lilo and thus still masturbate to Lilo despite being in their 20s and 30s doesn't change the fact that the style was a tremendous filter.

>>149113212
The gayest pixar movie was made by one of those. It's also the first pixar movie with the dreaded beanmouth 3D style.

>>149113266
That movie SO freaking gay, dude. Took one look at the advertisement and immediately went "No." You don't even have to see it for very long. The boys are effiminate and uncool looking and look like they're a scene away from making out. The only other girl their age in the film isn't designed to be desirable or easy on the eyes.

There's a reason why the wikipedia entry only shows what box office profit but doesn't list how much money the studio blew on that piece of crap.

>>149104721
Sora is a fag. The coolest Disney protagonists are Tarzan and Hercules

>>149094215
What's your point?

>>149113350
Hercules and Tarzan are strong characters but NOT the Disney bastardizations.

>>149112989
>Elio rips off the face of his coworker before being shot by security

>>149113317
And yet it was made by a straight white guy.

>>149113266
What are you saying that the creator of Luca is a straight white male?

>>149113388
Tarzan kills a jaguar with his bare hands, what are you smoking

This thread is just /pol/tards sucking each others dick.

>>149113411
Yeah? He's Italian and married with kids.

>>149101057
Foreshadowing her inhuman nature as Aku's spawn

>>149113026
I think it's less about a need for "edge" and more the general lack of good storytelling. Too many modern animated films fall into one of two categories: key-jinglers and therapy sessions. The former are your brainless movies like Minions, Smurfs, Trolls, etc. that are basically just loud colors and louder music to keep kids with ADHD distracted for 90 minutes. They've got no substance to them and they're painful for parents to sit through. The latter are your boring, cringey movies like Lightyear, Turning Red, Elio, Soul, Onward, etc. that struggle to develop solid theming and throughlines because the director basically developed the movie as an extended therapy session to work through their mommy/daddy issues.

Disney and Pixar used to make really nice, strong animated films that were built around one of two things; adaptations of classical works (Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc.) or high concept original ideas (a kid's favorite doll gets jealous of a new toy, a superhero struggles to live an ordinary life, a frightened fish travels the ocean to save their son, etc.) - either of which is very straightforward to build solid narratives and themes around while also being entertaining - in the former you're letting source material inform the narrative structure and trying to identify a theme to build around it, in the latter you're letting the concept inform the theme and building the narrative around that.

Either make a movie about action with cool lore, or a movie about a romance with drama. Some horror in either would help too. That's all they need to do, but no let's keep making childish booboo shit.

>>149113026
>I'm happy these soft around the edges movies are failing
Lilo and Stich remake made a gazillion dollars. Elio may be slop but at least it's original. If it keeps flopping we're only getting remakes from now on.

>>149113266
>>149113317
>make a movie about your childhood
>absolutely everyone thinks it's about gay shit

>>149080635 (OP)
Some influencer at some point said he was "autism representation" and yet I cannot for the life of me find any official source that says he actually is.

The movie does an extremely piss poor job of having him represent an autistic child, mainly because you could write off all his quirks on Elio grieving the death of both of his parents. He is otherwise very normal and mentally capable in ways even a high functioning autistic child would struggle with. The aunt is honestly more unhinged than he is.

It's a cute movie but it also feels like they copied Over The Moon and made it less of a musical and more actiony. Interviews say the movie theme was supposed to be a pun on "alienation" but the aliens all instantly adore him like he's Steven Universe and they're gems.

I think the main reason this movie ate shit this weekend is because the HTTYD remake is just too good.

>>149108512
This is actual isolated delusion. Luca was the most streamed film of 2021, on any platform.

>>149113576
He should've had the wherewithal to see how this was going to play out to international crowds. He should have had test screenings and stuff. I don't even care to see the movie. The promotional material and trailers is what makes it come off like is two boys being super faggy
>here bro he's my ice cream want a lick? :)
Keep that kind of content between boys and girls not the same sex.

>>149103239
>In general whimpy characters in anime are a dying breed and they're almost always the side characters now. I think the closest is Tanjiro?
Deku is literally Japanese Steven Universe and kids love MHA

>>149113655
Cope, seethe, etc.

>>149113655
>Luca was the most streamed film of 2021, on any platform.
Which means the square root of jack shit.

>>149111755
There is a scene where lava rushes down the tunnel Glordon and Elio are crawling through and Glordon tells Elio to get into his mouth to keep from burning alive. Glordon vores Elio to protect him from the lava, flashing him rows of teeth, as Elio backs up into his mouth for protection and is swallowed. Elio remarks that "...huh, it's uh, actually kinda comfy in here..." They unironically put a goddamn vore fetish scene in Elio. It honestly deserves to bomb.

>>149082297
>while they don't really have an adventure or stop a villain
Female storytellers are the worst. Men will set up a direct villain/antagonist that needs to be purged because they're usurping power and throwing everything out of balance to place themselves as sole authority. They are willing to kill to retain whatever power they believe they have and are struck down for it or by it. And then you get stories these days like Encanto where the antagonist is...family or something? It's so stupid and thoroughly only interesting to female and kiddy audiences.

>>149097399
Yeah it gives the movie some realism. But even still I skip over the Adrian bits. There's 'TV ugly" and then there's "ugly ugly". Adrian isn't even all that bad it's just her terrible acting really contributes to me not wanting to see her on screen. She's kinda necessary for Rocky 1 but I skip every single scene she speaks in from Rocky 2 onwards unless someone more charismatic is talking.

>>149113832
>"no one watched the film"
>the film was the most streamed of the year

One of these statements is incorrect. Can you guess which one

>>149103745
you literally just described Onward and nobody watched it

>>149109828
you have a pebble where your heart should be

>>149113879
>"Female storytellers are the worst"
>proceeds to shit on Encanto, directed and written by two men

>>149080635 (OP)
>Another woke Disney film pushed by faggots fails at the Box Office.
>Apparently the film had to have multiple cuts to remove most of the woke shit and still failed regardless.
Happy that people are finally waking up and seeing Disney for what they are. They don't care and just want your money, I knew this a while back and I was called a "crazy incel" and look who's crazy now!
Nobody likes this shit especially normies.

>>149102630
Kid me loved the snes Mickey games, specially the 3rd one with Donald.

>>149082297
Because the issue is this isn't going to make them decide to write and direct like the films Pixar decided to make in the 90s and 2000s, it's going to make them decide they need endless sequels with the same writing as now and endlessly rape the films you did enjoy

>>149114083
>Apparently the film had to have multiple cuts to remove most of the woke shit and still failed regardless.
I wasn't even gonna watch, and upon hearing that I definitely won't now
You just can't pull the carpet and expect me to watch it because the degeneracy was cut

>>149114095
Same here.
I even loved that one point and click Gamecube game.

>>149114045
>hurrr why is this disney princess cartoon only interesting to women and children
Encanto was great though, that anon is a retard.

>>149114136
That's just the thing, anon, nobody in Encanto is a princess. The movie is just a musical, and generally that filters most men. That whole post is definitely retarded not just from being completely incorrect but the fightsexual autism radiating off from it.

>>149114083
kys birchy

>>149112446
Kek simpy is mad

>>149114254
Will you shut up about this fucking namefag are you that same retard from the Toonami threads yesterday saying he would spam and nothing fucking happened?
I'm starting to think you're creating some boogyman for attention. And don't even bother replying to me with "fuck off Birchy"
Filter the cunt if he's too annoying I'm tired of seeing you in every fucking thread
I'm starting to think he isn't even real

>>149113977
Onward isn't a live-action adventure film.

>>149113539
I wouldn't say Lilo and Stitch remake was soft around the edges. Didn't that bitch give away her sister in the remake and completely subvert the original's messaging about family? Say what you will, I've certainly said a lot about that, but the movie was certainly daring.

>>149114204
>nobody in Encanto is a princess
Like most disney "princesses" nowadays. It's a disney princess movie though because it's an animated disney movie about a teenage female protagonist who sings, and the art style is the same as in Frozen, Tangled, etc. Multiple characters are princess adjacent because the protagonist's family rules the town, kinda like in Moana.

Isabela is a disney princess deconstruction. She has the grace, the hyperfeminity, the "prince", the pimped out dress, and everybody loves her, but she's secretly a bitch because she doesn't want any of that which makes her miserable.

Dolores is the actual disney princess. Her design and personality are the closest to the likes of Rapunzel and Anna. All she wants is the "prince" and she eventually gets him.

Mirabel is a failed disney princess. She has the quirkiness, and maybe the kindness, and nothing else. That's kind of what the movie is about.

>>149114589
>and the art style is the same as in Frozen, Tangled
Please don't compare tangled to them, I rematched it recently and it somehow looks and feels better than encanto.

>>149110273
>Look how Asian I am with my Asian food and Asian spices and Asian dishware!

This always feels like overcompensation. As if, God forbid, you're an Asian-American who has salt, pepper, and paprika on your shelf instead of coriander or curry powder that isn't in English. My grandparents came here from Italy, but I love making Irish food. Shepherd's Pie was one of the best things I had ever tasted because it was never made for me once growing up.

"Fresh Off the Boat" feels like one of the few stories about modern immigrants that feels accurate. Every single one of the kids has no interest in their Asian heritage, the main character is obsessed with hip hop, the dad is fulfilling his dream of owning a western-themed restaurant, and the mom constantly wants her kids to succeed in America.

>>149113783
it really might have been cultural differences, I don't think sharing food like that is weird