You guys want to have a Superman thread? Favorite stories? Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now? When might we finally get a proper Superman game? Thoughts on Supergirl?

>>149129147 (OP)
>You guys want to have a Superman thread?
Yeah.
> Favorite stories?
hard to pick just one. I've been rereading the whole Triangle era and that's been terrific. I remember getting into the book around Death and Return back in the day. The TAS comic is good too.
>Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
Have not read.
>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
I really don't get why people think this should be such a challenge. Him having a bunch of powers is the kind of stuff video games are all about. Just create a bunch of scenarios metroidvania style where you need to use different skills to get by. Oh here's a raging inferno I'll use my super breath. And as for super strength it's not like he fights regular hoods most of the time. Set up robots, alien warlords and tech baddies and you're good. You could even write some dumb plot where he needs to regain his powers because REASONS and then fight villains based on those powers. This shouldn't be hard.
> Thoughts on Supergirl?
She's alright

Did you know Volcana just became canon THIS year?

>>149129352
seems a missed opportunity

>>149129147 (OP)
>Favorite stories?
Supreme by Alan Moore. Assuming that doesn't count, pic related is my favorite one-shot, and for longer storylines I loved the Gleason/Tomasi run with kid Jon. I also bought that new Superman Adventures Omnibus and have been enjoying it.
>Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
I stopped keeping up with the weekly ongoing when Bendis got the book. Maybe I'll get back into it with the next big jumping-on point, but idk.
>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
Didn't the Wonder Woman game just get cancelled? I don't think DC is willing to put out a non-AAA game, and that really means you need as wide of an appeal as humanly possible to justify the absurd investment. So, if the new movie sells gangbusters they might look into a Superman game that will come out in six years.
>Thoughts on Supergirl?
The character? I like several iterations of her, with the DCAU & New52 versions as personal favorites.
The ongoing series? Off to a good start; the author clearly cares about the character.

>>149129147 (OP)
>Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
It’s fucking terrible. Hasn’t been a good run on either book since Tomasi was kicked off Superman in 2018. Action hasn’t been good since like 2009 lol

>supergirl
The movie? Hate to hear it’s based on kings comic. That as terrible. The new ongoing? Not a fan of Campbell but he hasn’t done anything egregious… yet.

>>149129147 (OP)
I refuse to buy a Superman comic or watch a movie until straight kid Jon Kent is brought back from space and gay teen Jon kent is sent off with the Legion to only appear in pride specials once a year.

>>149129959
Based

>>149130016
Fucking Christ I hate Williamson.

Pulled his same “the villain is actually a good guy” shit he does on every book her writes with Lex and lobo, super Lois is fucking retarded, the super family jackets and costumes were retarded. His run has been terrible.

>>149129942
>Action hasn’t been good since like 2009 lol
Here here. The new 52 was no better than anything since. Last time I liked action was during the Busiek/johns era.

>>149130063
Yeah, it isn’t nearly as bad as Bendis or Taylor, and I’d even say it’s slightly less bad (not the verbiage) than PKJ’s god awful action comics run but it’s been pretty dogshit.

>>149129147 (OP)
>You guys want to have a Superman thread?
nah

>>149129942
>Not a fan of Campbell but he
"he" is a she, sister

>>149130549
No, that’s a man, baby

>>149129959
>I refuse to buy a Superman comic or watch a movie until straight kid Jon Kent is brought back
Can I get an amen

>>149130063
I love the super jackets I can’t lie
I’m a sucker for a good jacket

>>149129959
Jon will never not be bisexual, but god why couldn’t Bendis have split the difference and put him right at 14 years old. Still gives him timeskip angst, puts him as a peer with Damian, and lets him do “teen”shit.

>>149129959
That’s gay.
Stop being a whiney weeny

>>149129147 (OP)
>yes
>Action Comic 217-218
>Haven't read it
>never at this rate but I'm still optimistic
>She's okay. I think the best version of Supergirl was the former Luthor henchwoman who was actually some kind of transforming blob.
Personally as well, I loved when Superman had his own Super-Family going on. Superboy (Kon-El), Steel, Supergirl, and Guardian. But that only worked when Superman was at half-strength.

>>149131153
Superman doesn’t need to eat?

>>149131182
He's constantly getting energy from the sun

>>149129147 (OP)
>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
Who knows, but something like the Arkham games (even if I don't like them at all) could suit Supes pretty well. Remember the energy from those PS2 era Spiderman games? Mix that with Infamous/Prototype gameplay but with Superman powers, that's it. I don't know why people think that's hard, the word here is fun, Supermans has a great cast of villains and Metropolis can be anything you want from retrofuturistic to a colorful automated city like we see in the Megaman games.

>>149129147 (OP)
>Favorite story
The Man who has Everything
>current run
I don't read new comics.
>game
who knows?
>Supergirl
I don't have a problem with the concept. I haven't seen it done well outside of LoSH, but then again, I've hardly read any Supergirl.

#340
#361
Parasite comics

>>149129959
Based Jon kent truther! The real one is still out there.

>>149130986
>Jon will never not be bisexual
You’re absolutely right. But the real straight kid Jon kent is still out in space so it’s a completely different character.

> Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
Better than Bendis. Not as good as the Tomasi/Jurgens runs during Rebirth. Didio (and Bendis)(then Taylor) really fucked up a good thing. It was time to tell the story of Lois & Clark and their child. Super Sons only just started in terms of long term potential.

It's just never been the same. In a vacuum, Williamson's run hasn't been bad; the characterizations and dialogue are decent.

But Jon is broken. There's nothing wrong with a queer representation in the Superman family, but everything about this execution is just so fucking cringe. Conner was right there.

And the book itself is bogged down in all the "fallout of status quo changes from last event and simultaneously setting up for the next status quo disrupting event" editorial that has destroyed Big 2 cape comics.

But I like Supercorp as an idea. I like Lois getting a run as Superwoman and having a full, real Super family.

I've actually loved World's Finest, and I also just started picking up Waid's new "Superboy of Smallville" on Action. Between AC, WF and JLU, I'm getting plenty of decent Superman action from Waid.

(I liked PKJ's Warworld arc)

>>149129147 (OP)
I'm really nervous about the new Superman movie being bad bros.

>>149130083
>The new 52 was no better than anything since. Last time I liked action was during the Busiek/johns era.

I liked Grant's New 52 launch. Its its own standalone thing.

I also think Greg Pak's run on Action at the tail end of New 52 was really underrated. Its a good sequel to Grant's Superbro status. But unfortunately, the damage had already been done and the New 52 had tanked too many books. I think DCYou was a severely underrated initiative and its highs were really high

>>149131562
I don’t think it’s a good Superman comic. It would work better as an OC, at best an out of continuity mini.

>>149131525
>I like Lois getting a run as Superwoman and having a full, real Super family
You like ruining the entire concept of Lois lane in favor of some retarded fan fic shit? Shut up.

>>149131675
>You like ruining the entire concept of Lois lane
It's just a story bro. It was never going to last forever. Relax

Cute lois

>>149131654
>at best an out of continuity mini.
Thats how I already view Grant's AC and Azz/Chiang's Wonder Woman. They're just really long, really enjoyable, Elseworlds.

I don't get the hang up on some of this continuity. Its like Alan Moore: "they're all imaginary stories"

>>149131704
While I do agree there's a limit to how serious you should take many of these things I also want to say that being equally and inversely disrespectful to them is as bad. People have expectations and your pretty little writer ego doesn't give you carte blanche.

>>149129942
Williamson has a decent Superman book happening right now. Has STAS vibes I think

>>149131737
Sure, which is why I don't feel the same animosity that others do for Williamson and PKJ.

Its not like Bendis or Taylor where it reads very obviously that they're driven by their egos.
For the flaws that exist in Williamson and PKJ's writing, they're not writing from the same kind of pretentiousness.

In spite of everything, they're still trying to write Superman from a place of reverence. Also they're following marching orders from editorial which in itself is following marching orders from WB.

>>149130063
>Pulled his same “the villain is actually a good guy”
How is this out of the norm for the occasional Lex story? His motives swing back and forth. Hell, people loved SuperLex back in Rebirth
>super Lois is fucking retarded
It's not the first time the concept has been used, and she lost her powers recently btw. No one really thought it was permanent

How was the PKJ stuff anyways? I hear good things about War World.

We all know the Bendis stuff is garbage BUT if I were to say ONE and ONLY ONE good thing.....I thought Red Mist was a good idea in terms of a new bad guy. That's all I got

>>149132029
A good idea doesn't mean much without good execution. Ideas are easy.

>>149132029
I didn't hate what he was doing with Checkmate. He clearly just wanted to write Green Arrow, The Question and Plastic Man, and he was a better fit for those characters. Too much ego was involved to think he should drive Superman.

>>149132074
True, but she's worth keeping around. I treat it like a Slott situation where someone else has to come in to put up the slack later.
>>149132089
No one at DC liked working with him. Pure Didio nepo hire. Remember when Jimmy Olsen spoiled Leviathan?

>>149131860
No it’s pretty fucking terrible.

>>149131949
War world was the worst part but it was all pretty lackluster and skippable.

>>149129147 (OP)
>Favorite stories
The Scott McCloud mini, strength, is underrated. Also love for all seasons and kyrptonite by sale and cooke.

I’ve personally hated the Williamson run. Not as much as the rest of the post tomasi era but pretty thoroughly dislike it. The “superstars” action stories were pretty shit as well.

Nothing since they abandoned Jon and the simple yet sorely needed concept of Superman having a young BIOLOGICAL son he could mentor and grow with has captured me.

The namek knock off by Johnson was particularly tiresome.

>>149132119
I was sort of eyeing the compendium version but was really on the fence. I guess I'll just pass. I'm really only interested in prenu52 stuff anyways

>>149132104
That's a matter of opinion, and I'm sorry anon but your attitude comes off really disingenuous. There's nothing offensive or particularly bad with the current run

>>149131153
>217-218
i fucked up. But the comics I'm thinking of I can remember the plot.
>Luthor tells Superman to fuck off because everytime he performs a heroic deed he's literally destroying the city
>Superman chooses to let Lex incarcerate him because he can't refute the claims and it seems Lex wanted to help the city
>turns out the thing that was destroying the city was a creation of Lex's that spirals out of Lex's control
>Lex begrudgingly works together with Superman to defeat it and Suerman still takes Lex to prison
I hate that I cannot remember the exact iss number. But I love that story.

>>149132204
They have new Superman adventures compendium coming out, basically the TAS Superman. I’d highly recommend that instead. Johnson’s run was pretty dogshit all in all. Not entirely his fault given the status quo he was handed but doesn’t change the result.

They should bring back The Giant

>>149132255
Oh yeah I definitely got my eye on that. I'm also picking up the second Triangle omni and the 2nd Busiek hardcover.

>>149132238
NTA but you’re basically saying “my opinion is positive so it overrides yours”. Grow up. I don’t like the shitty run either, it being barely above the previous 5 years before it doesn’t make it good.

>>149132238
Disingenuous would be claiming Williamson’s run has a TAS a vibe when it bares no resemblance in tone or plot what so ever to that.

>>149132274
Busiek’s run is criminally underrated frankly. That whole loeb/johns/Busiek/seagle era was solid

The only modern Superman I'm enjoying is The last days of Luthor. But its releasing at a snails pace.

What's everyone's opinion on the S-shield as the El family crest? Would you prefer if it was just an S?

>>149130016
Why would Lobo rob an Earth bank?

>>149132287
>I don’t like the shitty run either, it being barely above the previous 5 years before it doesn’t make it good.
My thoughts exactly, and they apply to the Rowell she-hulk run just as much but that’s a story for another time lol.

>>149132340
I do kinda prefer it to have a more earthly significance than being some intergalactic coincidental symbol.

>>149130063
>Pulled his same “the villain is actually a good guy” shit he does on every book
That’s the reason I dropped GI Joe hard and fast, when I realized he really was making baroness a good guy… well girl.

>>149132287
>NTA but you’re basically saying “my opinion is positive so it overrides yours”
Not my intent but I can see how you could think that. Sorry. I just remember the anon from similar threads who basically shuts down anyone with anything nice to say about the current run because of the unfortunate status quo of Jon that remains ever since Bendis. I'm not happy about what happened to Jon either, believe me, but I'm not going to be a stick in the mud by turning a blind eye to everything coming out and disregard it as bad. I acknowledge things as they come.
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>>149132345
Why can't I compare the two? Pretty episodic, easily digestible arcs, pretty uplifting vibes, heck even did cool stuff with Livewire and Parasite. Also don't really know what She-Hulk has to do with this conversation.

>>149132340
I don't have such a huge opinion either way but if I had to make a choice I do like the idea of it just being something Ma came up.

>>149129959
What was the point of aging Jon up and making him the young adult Superman when there already was well established one that could have used instead.

>>149132340
I like it being based on Kryptonian. Family emblem is kind of lame. i would just make the whole thing part of Kryptonian alphabet. Its not literally an "s" but Lois seeing it and deciding it means Superman. Thats always been cool. And it gives Zod, Jax, Faora, and Preus something to work with when they have their own emblems.

>>149132327
>Busiek’s run is criminally underrated frankly. That whole loeb/johns/Busiek/seagle era was solid
But the Busiek hardcovers, the city of tomorrow compendium coming out, and Worlds at War getting and Omnibus (On top of the triangle era stuff) it's going to be a good year to be a Superman fan. I actually rearranged a lot of my purchases this year to now accommodate for these.

I really like Mcguinesses Superman

>>149129147 (OP)
>character is about to be in public domain in a decade or so
>have spent my entire life making a Superman-style character and world
>have spent so much time with the allegorical Superman stories that I don't actually want to use the real one when the patent expires.
Anyone else? Or do you plan on just making Superman stories with the actual character?

>>149132477
I'd rather just make my own thing. Even with the PD, it only really applies to a very specific era and even if what you make kicks ass you're just setting yourself up for a headache with comparison bias. Frankly I dread all the low effort horror shit we're about to see.

I think Metallo is cooler without patches of fake skin. Less human the better. Heck make him act like Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk where he's just a psycho looking for the next upgrade

>>149132477
I once tossed around the idea of Superman fighting a forgotten South American Sun God.

>>149132525
Uppity Gods are generally a good pitch for antagonists.

>>149132525
Kino match-up. Superman's powers come from the Sun. Interested to see what might come from that
>>149132501
I mean as someone who's having a better time re-reading old Superman and Batman than almost anything made after 2015, it's not a turn off.

>>149132525
There are a lot of sun gods. You could do a whole thing with them. Make a whole sun pantheon. Maybe some want to inducts Supes in as a new one for a modern era. Others are not so keen on the idea, and Superman would of course turn it down but now he's got to deal with them being all pissed nobody believes in sun gods anymore. And others being more friendly.

>>149132541
>>149132650
Basically the idea was some modern day follower, last of the cult, resurrects the forgotten god trapped in a sarcophagus/item and of course the demigod with a chip on his shoulder wants to rebuild his name in the modern era. He keeps referring to Clark as a "deity" because naturally he recognizes Superman's power and how people love or "worship" him. Plus its fun to weaponize the sun, the very thing that charges Superman's cells, and make it volatile.
>>149132688
I chose a completely original/fictional one that was forgotten because it allows creative freedom and of course establishes a clear motive. The worst thing a god can experience is being lost to the ages.

>>149132385
>I just remember the anon
People who say this are either schizophrenic or clinically delusional. No, you don’t remember or recognize people. I’m being genuinely serious when I say you should seek help.

>>149132419
Nobody knows. Kon being gay with Tim while Jon and Damian were straight bros crushing on girls and being awesome would have both flown off shelves like free green cards at the border.

>>149132385
>Pretty episodic, easily digestible arcs
I’m neither of them but thats not at all what Williamson’s run has been. Almost every arc has been 6+ issues including a superman office crossover event which led directly into another event, that one a company wide crossover lol

It’s genuinely doesn’t resemble TAS at all.

>>149131525
>But Jon is broken. There's nothing wrong with a queer representation in the Superman family, but everything about this execution is just so fucking cringe. Conner was right there
>>149132979
>Kon being gay with Tim while Jon and Damian were straight bros crushing on girls and being awesome would have both flown off shelves like free green cards at the border.
Conner has been a heterosexual character for decades. Being a skirt chaser was big part of his 90's characterization and being in long-term relationships with women is big part of his angsty jock version, neither of which displayed any homosexual tendencies (fashion choices aside). Changing that is retarded, especially when it's solely to pander to a such a small demographic. It makes much more sense to have Jon the token faggot of the Superfamily as he's largely a blank slate.

>>149132340
Personally, I think having it be the symbol of El kinda takes away from Superman. At that point it stops being his symbol and he becomes just another Kryptonian. And I think having it just be an "S" would make him closer to Earth and its people.
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>>149132390
I'd have Ma see a symbol on Clark's rocket, which she then uses as inspiration.

I like Maxima

>>149129147 (OP)
>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
>he didnt play superman on ps2

>>149133326
>>he didnt play superman on ps2

Man the 64 game really did such a number people barely even register the other games. Which I wouldn't really say was fantastic either but it was a big step forward.

>>149129147 (OP)
The only way I think you could do a Superman game is to set after a Death of Superman type event where he comes back, but severely weakened. Then you can scale up the powers as the game progresses.

>>149133251
>Being a skirt chaser was big part of his 90's characterization
You seem to be unfamiliar with Bobby drake.

>>149133349
>but severely weakened
No fuck off

>>149133349
They did a death and return game. It was a fine enough beat em up. Frankly though I think a lot of modern games in general have a real problem with needing everything to be contextualized in game. Like time was people just got it. You don't count the loses. If you get beat up it was simply because it was a video game. By all accounts Spider-man shouldn't have any trouble with most goons either but nobody complains when he gets pummeled in a video game. And yes I get he's not as strong as superman but it wouldn't make sense for him to get hit at all in the first place. More over the idea that superman has to fight the same weak level enemies. mechs and monsters. most of his rogues can find ways to give him a rough time. This shouldn't be hard but people want to be needlessly pedantic.

>>149130083
I thought Up in the Sky was a pretty decent read but I can also just see the smugness of Taylor when he writes what he probably things are super deep and powerful moments. And also it definitively felt like he was copying Grant Morrison's homework.

>>149133986
wait that was King, wasn't it. Shit I got my retards mixed up.

>>149129959
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>>149129147 (OP)
>Us Boomers want to have a Superman thread
The aches and pains of old age and onset of arthritis and early dementia;
that miasma and patina of sadness that just comes from all that excessive nose, ear and back hair growth;
and the sheer quantity and breadth of the 'get off my lawn' energy that just reeks across the keyboards of a good majority of these posts ....

>>149134677
You seem to be suffering from a persecution complex

>>149133251
This anon gets it.

>>149133385
Bobby was a prankster immature boy.
Warren was the suave one.
Even Lorna quickly realized Bobby Drake was not hetero and moved on to Alex.
The only woman that stayed with Bobby in a long committed relationship was Opal, and that’s because she needed superhero protection.

>>149134637
Is he also missing both of his legs?

Hard Drive died and I lost all my files. Anyone here feel like posting great "Nice Guy Superman" moments? Just Superman being nice and heroic.

>>149132193
just finished strength, pretty good, really good art and a very hot Lois. In my opinion it could've used a better message at the end, it felt kind of flat in my opinion

>>149132508
The urge to make him Terminator is powerful.

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>>149130083
>The new 52 was no better than anything since
Nah that issue where Superman punched a cop was pretty cool. It also triggered a ton of conservatards, which was even cooler.

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>>149132926
It’s not like there’s a big community here, and people do have posting patterns. But hey I might be wrong
>>149133033
Would “back to basics” be more applicable then? Consider the years prior where we had Bendis’s awful stuff, Tomasi’s new family dynamic, then there was the odd New 52 Morrison stuff.

Superbump

>>149132926
Retard

>>149135403

Eat shit Tarrantino

>>149129147 (OP)
one thing that could give superman an interesting plot is him having a split personality disorder.
clark doesn't know he is superman and everytime he changes into superman he essentially transform into a more classical version of supes, kinda like a dad shape.
clark would be younger looking and nerdy, even slim but when he goes superman he becomes a literal unit.

>>149139435
That's retarded.

>>149139445
it worked with diavolo just fine and with superman it would do wonders too if done just right.

>>149139435
They already did that with Superman in the early 90s in the Gangbuster plot line.

>>149139534
>Jojo faggotry
They're completely different characters. Too much of what makes Superman superman is based on who Clark is. You missed the point of the character completely.

>>149139578
no I haven't but still it was worth a shot to explore such a concept, 2 minds 1 body.

>>149139634
>2 minds 1 body.
You're a special kind of retard

>>149139650
oh I'm sorry for suggesting a simple idea and see if it was good or not anon, apparently trying something new is too much for you.

>>149139680
It's not new. And it's a bad idea.

>>149132340
I'd make it so that the Kingdom Come symbol is the Kryptonian version, then it becomes the S later as Clark leans more into his Earth upbringing

>>149139737
I feel like this really isn't something people should make such a fuss over.

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>>149132508
I like this as well, and Justice League Action is great.

>>149140783
It was. Shame they set it up to die.

>>149139411
It's amazing how many people miss the point of Bill's speech. He has this skewed view on Superman because Bill is incapable of understanding anyone who want to be normal or less. Same way how he can't fathom why Beatrix left her assassin life. Yet somehow people take it at face value

>>149141227
I'm just having a giggle, really. To be honest I haven't really thought much about the movie in years.

>>149140783
>>149140801
JLA had a neat take on Parasite too

DoThe Fatal Five count as Superman villains?

>>149141244
And then there was that time was godzilla

>>149141358
Legion. so Superman adjacent.

>>149141362
Which while we're on the subject, can we consider The Legion by extension "The Super Family"?

>>149129215
>I really don't get why people think this should be such a challenge.
A lot of video game design is centered around not being able to fly, which is why its usually limited, a power-up, and/or limited to gliding.

> You could even write some dumb plot where he needs to regain his powers because REASONS and then fight villains based on those powers.
Yeah, but that's contrived. It already is when they try to do so for actual video game characters. Mind you, I want a Superman video game more than you probably do.

>>149141400
I'd say so. The Legion only came into existence by piggy backing off of Superboy before the book became theirs.

>>149141454
>A lot of video game design is centered around not being able to fly, which is why its usually limited, a power-up, and/or limited to gliding.

That's one of the things that would make the game unique though. In fact the more I start to think about it the more I start to realize that there is a pretty solid frame work for a super man game that uses flight as a central mechanic already. You ever play Zone of thee Enders? Robot game. All of it in zero g. You use Triangle and X to control your vertical axis, can dash and boost around, swap between various powers and abilities and is rad as hell.

>Yeah, but that's contrived
I don't disagree but I'm just speaking from the perspective of some dullard designer.

>>149141454
>>149141503
Believe it or not flight is harder than you'd think in games. Not only a sense of satisfying control, but being able to speed up, stop, and turn on a dime matters. That Y axis eats up game memory like you wouldn't believe

>>149141729
I'm not suggesting it would be easy. but video game design by it's nature isn't easy.

We really don't talk about how shit Kryptonians were enough. Zod waws everything they were, while Clark, Jor-El, and Kara were everything they failed to be
>Tried to conquer the universe thanks to their broken tech
>Thankfully surrounding systems were bathed in red sunlight
>Got pushed back to Krypton by naturally pissed off other species
>Imposed a "self-exile" of salt where they had a golden age of ego fart sniffing and xenophobia
>Hubris finally catches up with them, and Krypton goes supernova
>Guardians of The Universe/Green Lantern Corp say "Thank fuck" and tell Tomar-Re not to warn nor interfere.
There's a reason why Kandor was never restored to full size again. Clark knew his people couldn't adapt, to change. So they remain preserved rather than extinct

I don't know what side of the trunks argument you stand on, personally I'm pro, but Action really does show how simple it is to make the costume work without them just by having the belt be yellow. And honestly I'd be mostly okay with that if they didn't always try to make everything all sci fi and tactical looking.

Even just a smidge on the belt helps a lot I think

>>149141400
They’re like the Outsiders to Batman, they piggyback off of him.

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>>149141456
Not every character associated with Superman is part of the "Super Family." Pic (minus his wife and parents) is what most people consider his family.

>>149143309
Love the idea of Kara hanging loose with all of her boy cousins. Dressing messy, burping out loud, etc.

>>149143309
It's worth contemplating because how many stories The Legion has had with Clark, and their entire creation is his legacy

>>149129147 (OP)
Honestly I'm just really digging MAWS and can't wait to see the next season.

>>149143435
I liked it more than I was expecting to

>>149141400
Not really. They may have started as a Superman spinoff but they've kinda been kicked from Superman's history and origin over 40 years ago and they've found their own identity since.

>>149143505
That logo looks so good. The gold border is way better

It sucks that the Legion needs someone to do a full Absolute/Ultimate/Hickman style imprint and Hickman is the only one with the name power and interest to do it.

Still eternally hopeful about the new launch

Posting here because I don't want to make a short lived Legion thread

>>149143645
I think The Legion is tying in with whatever Darkseid confrontation they're building up in relation to the Absolute Universe. There's a Darkseid Corrupted Legion tormenting Future Doomsday in the Williamson run trying to gain intel on Earth Prime/Mainline Superman

>>149143645
I think the sun has just set on those characters. They're too corny.

>>149143684
Your face is corny

>>149141400
Extended family maybe? I don't think it fits, really; they've got too much of their own thing going on to fit under that umbrella. It's more like Black Canary or Hawkman being a JSA member and a JLA member. The Legion are like Clark's JSA.

>>149129147 (OP)
I'm about to wrap up my Silver Age reading (which consists mostly of Superman stuff). Some stories are boring but I likes the ones focused on Jimmy or Lois. Krypto sucks tho
I just purchased All Star and Kryptonite (Cooke), should be arriving soon. Will post it if the threads still up when It does

>>149132269
Why do both Superman and Batman have T-rex statues in their lairs?

>>149142390
I'm a fan of the trunks as well, but yeah it really looks in JLA. The designs are simple in this show, but I think they look perfect for what they were going for (very low budget).

>>149145087
I understand the words in that sentence but when string together like that I don't follow.

Things I want to see inside the new Superman movie's Fortress of Solitude
>The alien zoo
>Kelex (though I fear he's been replaced by robot #4)
>The Key
>The green car
>The Phantom Zone Projector?

Anything else we're missing?

>>149145083
Do you like Jack Kirby’s New Gods?

>>149145617
I do

I feel like one of the biggest problems with a video game is needing to tie everything into the whole open world shtick that's become the norm. And while being able to fly around Metropolis would be pretty sick I do feel like the game would be pretty limited if we did try to keep everything to just the one city. I want to head out into space and do stuff there too. Maybe even bring Mongul and War World into it.

Daily or Newburn?

>>149145617
Havent read it yet, theyre bronze age no?

there's a new trailer if anyone cares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOnAqqGe2TY

>>149146324
I also think a Superman game would work better if it didn't stick to the open world norm, what the fuck would you be able to do besides flying around Metropolis? Stop regular bad guys from robbing banks? Would get boring quickly.

You guys remember that one Tales From The Dark Multiverse story that was a What If of Death of Superman where Lois became Eradicator? I legitimately think that troubled variant of Lane could make for a great reoccurring villain for Clark. She could travel the multiverse “saving” Supermen like how Eradicator absorbed Kryptonians into his cyber/genetic body, and Earth Prime Clark is her next target. Kent obviously doesn’t want to hurt a Lois variant, and Eradicator Lois being a mentally unstable grieving mess makes her a danger

>>149129147 (OP)
> The Dark Knight Rises
> Batman Hush
> JLA Tower of Babel
> Batman: Endgame

>>149129352
>>149129652
there going to dykemaxx her like they did in MAWS

>>149150588
>lets jest ripoff the maker

>>149150588
> multiverse shit
is not good or ever interesting
> what about lois...but evil
Is just as original as more evil superman

I wish Blue and Red didn't start off with that fuckin rape story in the first issue

>>149151285
>is not good or ever interesting
False.

>>149129147 (OP)
I got pictured for 20$ at a used book store. Love me some Supes and Johns, but is it good?

>>149129147 (OP)
No thanks.

>>149152420
I liked it enough to pay 70 bucks for it. You got a steal.

>>149151202
How is that The Maker?

>>149151124
ESL fucking retard

>>149129147 (OP)
>You guys want to have a Superman thread?
Sure, I'm down

Remember Shadow the Superman? He was alright honestly.

>>149143611
The Fleischer suit is my personal favorite.

>>149159045

I love George Reeves trolling people
https://youtu.be/qM-V9SCYMn0?t=85

>>149159296
based

Apparently first impressions from the Superman film are trickling in, overwhelmingly positive.

>>149160868
neat.

>>149132342
Money for bitches

>>149133310
Me too. I love the big '80s hair in the comics.

>>149133402
I barely remember playing Justice League Heroes, and I only remember that I wanted to play it because was like X-Men Legends and Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, although I remember feeling like Justice League Heroes was worse. But gameplay wise it never bothered me to have Superman and Batman on the screen fighting the same bad guys and taking damage the same. Not like it would in the comics or in a cartoon.

>>149142916
They are different, they are more like the birds of prey.

I think the issue with Absolute Superman is that due to this Kal-el being a wandering his book is essentially a vehicle to flesh out the larger Absolute Universe. With Peacemakers and Ras, the reader is left yearning for actual Superman material to be explored

>>149135403

>>149161177
Heroes was decent. It was more like Champions of Norrath than Ultimate Alliance though. One of the big issues was that you didn't really have the freedom to pick your heroes as you wanted but it was a solid enough game. Though MUA does bring up an interesting comparison because nobody ever seems to complain that Thor or Hulk can get taken down by thugs.

>>149135403
Here's another one.

>>149143564
It is like if Dick was kicked off from Batman

>>149160868
Cope. It's going to suck like all the other Superman movies that came before it.

>>149135403

>>149161273
>>149135403

>>149161251
Uuuuuuuuuh

>>149161255
I'm telling you what's happening/being reported. I have no opinion on a film I personally have not scene yet. Maybe you should "cope" and leave your negative hugbox.

>>149161304
More or less, it was like if the marriage was never canceled.

>>149159002
I do. I'm a bit ashamed to admit that I liked him a fair bit.

>>149161245
>Champions of Norrath

Never heard of that one until today, so I'll have to take your word for it.

>>149161357
Really? It was a pretty popular game in it's time. Everquest spinoff. They made JLH too. Would recommend. I put a huge amount of time in both it and its sequel.

>>149161341
Nothing to be ashamed of. It was a decent show.

>>149161399
It feels bad that the show got cancelled. I really enjoyed it, and I think it ended on a cliffhanger

>>149129147 (OP)
Connecticut

>>149161613
It was more a teaser than an overt cliffhanger. So all the major plots were resolved but they did set up a new villain looming menacingly. I'd have liked a season 3. A lot of legion stuff still wasn't covered. I'd have like to seen Wildfire.

>>149162293
Incidentally, what did you guys think about Waid’s version of how Lex’s story ends? (In last days of Lex Luthor).

Also bump.

>>149162786
strongMan

>>149162786
What is he doing to the poor rhinoceros?

>>149161294
Fuck off faggot

>>149161255
but I am a Superman 1 and 2 enjoyer.

>>149160933
i will never forgive DC for aging up Jon Kent.

Is Superman & Lois worth it? I watched the first episode but wasn't really vibing with the kids and I'm sure they're a big part of it. It's not that I dislike kids but the one with Asperger's or whatever seemed super melodramatic and unlikable and I prefer Superman stories being more fun. I read the Tomasi run and really liked it and it made sense that the kid is super hyped up that his dad is Superman but in the show he's just a moody autist about it.

Does it get any better if these are my issues with it or is it just not for me?

>>149161245
loved this game. There was an Xmen one that was good too.

>>149156175
mcfarlne supes, interesting.

Most things that came from red-blue <3

>>149165775
Not bad

>>149129147 (OP)

>Favorite stories?
plenty, most of the 1980s - mid 2010s stuff
Coming of supermen by neal adams

>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
Too late, after 16bits, we should had got more 32bits and 128bits titles, now is too late with 6 years developing cycle.

>Thoughts on Supergirl?
I like her books and designs 1980-2025

I think Superman is okay.

>>149164901
It's more of a family drama show so if you don't vibe that it's not gonna be your bag. It's a good show if you do.

I don't like Superman being married to Lois and having a kid

>>149168397
Go away Quesada, you did enough damage to Marvel

I like when Superman and Batman are friends

The mullet should come back.

>>149129278

>>149168461
It's just boring

>>149172158
What do people get out of such terrible art? Does anyone find this titillating?

>>149165775
See: >>149164832

>>149172158
How's this then?

>>149129147 (OP)
I liked Red Son, All Star and that story where he fights with Mongul when he makes him imagine a world where he has a son and everything.

It's my dream to make a good Superman game

>>149173332
For the man who has everything. That was Alan Moore. He also did Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow.

the black suit ruled

Sell me on the current Superman run.

Also when does the PJK run get good?

>>149129147 (OP)
>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
Why would they make one when superfags complain whine over him throwing a single punch. Genuinely how is combat supposed to work? Sounds like people just want a flying simulator.
>Thoughts on Supergirl?
Infinitely better than Batgirl and that’s all that matters

>>149144373
Ah, yes! The three best Superman artists:
Steve Rude
Wayne Boring
and John Inconsiderate

>>149159002
>>149161341
Legion S2 is kino

>>149175952
Jim Selfabsorbed is the pinnacle

Superman Returns had a pretty good game back in '06. It wasn't perfect, but it hits most of the items on Anons' checklist for what the game should have.

>>149175044
That one and the one he wore in Batman Beyond were pretty good. I think I like the Justice Lords black costume best - the white cape just feels like that last touch to make it perfection.

>>149129147 (OP)
Discourse around this character is really retarded particularly in regards to his live-action portrayal. I realized that comic book readers haven’t quite received the same autism treatment that manga readers have. Their words shouldn’t really mean anything and at least manga readers will gladly shit on their own products. Finding genuine Superman discussion is really hard to find today. Reddit has gone off the rails. Any criticism for the new movie is labeled as Snyder faggotry despite it obviously doesn’t look anything special.

>>149176257
Movie season is always prime shit post season

>>149161248
That's a good one

Flashpoint Superman might be the most tragic Superman and he still decided to be a hero...

>>149175702
The current run is better than PKJ, and obviously no where near as bad as Taylor or Bendis, but it’s pretty terrible otherwise. PKJ’s run never “gets good”. Front to back it’s just not very worthwhile or entertaining.

>>149175702
Baddies

>>149161255

>>149143309
>most people
>consider

>>149168999
It's so fucking good when they're friends that trust each other and believe in the other guy.
>"Losing his superpowers wasn't enough to stop him from having a heart of steel. He kept on fighting through sheer willpower and did whatever it took to save lives. If I'm enough to strike fear in you, then you're nothing compared to him."
>Trusts Batman enough to give him weaponized kryptonite in case he goes mad / gets mind controlled.

>>149173243
It's alright, Anon.
I still think you're cool even if you don't like the thing I do.
But so what DO you like then? I wanna see your favourite superman.

>>149129147 (OP)
How Super was this Man, though?

>>149129352
She and Livewire should be Superman’s catwoman but the fags in DC will probably make them lame, gay and for black guys.

Anyone else spring for the Triangle Era omnibus? Volume 2 is out in September.

>>149171462
What a WOMAN!

>>149172158
Livewire would looks good with Superman Blue

>>149180502
Livewire is already confirmed gay.
Volcana was already with a black man.
Silver Banshee, though, is banging Jimmy Olsen.
Mercy is now an Asian woman who still works for Lex.

>>149179225

>>149181115
I got both it and the exile reprint day one. I really hope they do something to bridge the gap between them

>>149182427
Triangle Omni vol. 2 should take us up to Death and Return. That's the one I really want because it has the Satanus arc.

>>149182792
Triangle 2 is actually including the first half of Death and Return. Which is a little surprising. I was expecting them to stop at the Death omni and then pick up after it.

>>149182807
Yeah, that is odd. I have no need since I have the original trades from 92 and 93.

>>149182876
I have the more recent 5 volume trade set so I was kind of hoping they'd skip it as well

>>149182904
Nice! I also have an original Panic in the Sky trade, which will be in there as well, but that's ok. Early 90s DC is my favorite era. I was 7 in 1992, so those books, Superman in particular was formative for me.

>>149182939
Nice. I'm a 90s kid too but I mostly read marvel. Superman being the one DC exception. Looking back i kind of wish I read more DC stuff.

>>149183040
Early 90s Marvel was good. I've started collecting some of their Epic Collections that cover that timeframe. Fantastic Four especially.

I'm surprised they haven't done a Byrne omnibus yet. I managed to get the four hardcovers before the last one went OOP so I'm good but it's weird.

>>149183406
They may yet.

>>149183492
It keeps polling high so I wouldn't count it out.

>>149129147 (OP)
His wife has a nice ass

>>149185204

>>149180502
His Catwoman is Maxima.

>>149135403

>>149186340

>>149186358

Whose your favourite Superman villain? I personally can't decide but anyone who challenges him indirectly without being a generic evil inventor is quite fun.

>>149186620
I always appreciate a good Mxyzptlk story

>>149186620
I'm a fan of Parasite. He looks weird as hell, which is cool, and his powers have tons of opportunity. I like how he's kind of pathetic, he needs other people's strength to do anything. It's interesting to me also when he takes on traits of people he can absorb, there's a lot to explore there.

Leslie bros

>>149129215
awwww...
>By the way I'm gonna betray you and clone your cousin because on your worst day, you scared me a little

>>149131220
that just makes me think of that Gargoyles episode where Tim Curry is trying to clone gargoyles using cat and bat DNA
he gets things that obviously need a LOT of energy to flap those bat wings. completely missing that gargoyles glide
he surmises that gargoyles need a stupidly high amount of energy, which he measures in cows for some reason instead of fat and carbohydrate
then surmises they absorb sunlight all day. yeah, because there's SO MUCH energy you can draw from the sun hitting a few square meters of space even with a fully efficient solar panel..
nevermind they DON'T NEED TO FLAP
and then greg weisman later says yeah that's canon. really? the thing you had your clueless scientist guess is canon? that explains a lot of your beliefs.

oh and the way the GMO gargoyles solved this was splicing in electric eel DNA. because the ability to convert all your nerve impulses into a shock means infinite fuel, right?

>>149186620
STAS version of Brainiac was kind of excellent, and so was Metallo. but really the best was Darkseid. Darkseid made Luthor look like a lazy chump. Luthor wants to prove Superman can't possibly be as good as he seems, Darkseid is like "he is obviously that good, I want to show everyone that doing that gets you killed."

>>149129147 (OP)
>Favorite stories?
Always been a big fan of the Death and Return. The substitute Supermen are awesome, even if I would tweak the hell out of them in an adaptation if I were in charge
Doomsday is badass, the way Superman looks when he returns is badass, it's pretty rad.

>>149187766
For as much as people want to point to Death as some stunt event (which is honestly more than a bit fair) they never really spend time with with the follow up which is really what made that event actually worth while. They actually explored the effects his death had on the world and the people around him. The issue with Pa Kent having the heart attack and vision was fantastic. More to pint, it's one of the best examples of how to get a bunch of new legacies over fast.

>>149187919
absolutely.
stunts don't have to be bad, you just have to put work into making them good. Secret Wars is the other one everyone points to, and PARTS OF IT were pretty creative.

>>149188710
how the fuck does your biology work if your face can just cave in like that and you're okay

>>149188862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24

>>149129147 (OP)
Superman is boring. I only liked him in Man of Steel and BvS.

>>149188907

>>149150073
collectables. people really like that shit
(including me)

>>149129215
Who look at the sky when someone is talking to you, then keep looking afterward, this is why I hate comic, it's not deep it's retarded.

>>149189097
example:
the joker wind-up teeth collectables from arkham city, except instead of the joker putting them there the prankster put them there.

Or, like, Toyman collectable action figures scattered throughout metropolis. And Superman has to collect them for some reason.

>>149188898
this was his best fuckin moment
STASuperman is a subtler character than BaTASman, but he has his moments. When he consoled Maxima that there was some guy out there for her... when he presented Darkseid's broken body to his people and said they were free, only to see that brainwashing doesn't work that way...
>>149189128
first of all, he's superman. everyone knows he can hear you whether he's looking your way or not
secondly, he's watching the last whisper of visibility of Krypton's explosion. To be able to see it again, he'd have to go take a faster than light space trip to another planet in the path of the light. Give him some slack.

>>149189097
that's still open world
>>149150073
the only thing I can think is.. supermassive alien space station. maybe run by this game's version of The Collector. lot of corridors and junk, but Superman can't just burst through it like paper because he might hit the outside and get sucked into space. also he doesn't want everyone to die.

>>149132477
Im making Popeye comics right now. Been waiting 90 years. I also have a Superman story in the works but it will be set in a different country.

>>149175044
>Steel toe
>Literally steel toe, just one toe

Lol

>>149189465
yeah the toe is weird
i would have gone with a single strip of metal down the shin

>>149189362
As much as I like Justice League I do muss the more human moments you used to get from Bruce and Clark in their respective shows. TaS even gives a bit as to why he needs his secret identity. It's also why I like Daly over Newburn. With no disrespect to the latter.

>>149176143
Justice Lords costume had that really fuckin cool 'white ronin warriors armor / foot soldier' kinda feel. I love a paletteswap that swaps light with dark
his Beyond suit bugs me because why isn't it the crest of El anymore? same for the other alt universe Superman and HIS black suit. which I also just now noticed has a high collar like shitty modern supermans.. superman needs a low collar

>>149189775
I would have thought it impossible to get as close to Daly as Newburn did. he was great.

>>149189785
Honestly it took me longer than I'd like to admit they were even different guys. It's probably just a matter of circumstance. Newburn simply just didn't get to play Clark as much as he did Superman. Justice League tended to be more work focused for the heroes. They do have a very similar cadence though once you notice the difference it's easy to tell.

Newbern did get to come off a bit warmer in the Elite movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGtiinR6ni8

I do like his Supes.

Personally I couldn’t care less about Superman and Lois’ relationship. I wouldn’t shit on someone for it but like it’s just such a small portion of the character for me.

>>149132342
Because Joshua Williamson is a hack whos creatively bankrupt

I've really been enjoying the LoSH show and might try and get a hold of the comics at some point.

>>149189819
same. but I often miss stuff like that that seems obvious later.
in fairness, Conroy changed more than those two were distant from each other, during his tenure.
>>149189856
wow that was him? very warm and a little higher pitched. very good.
>>149189888
right looks like she's meant to be lana lang instead...
i felt very little between them in DCAU but I loved Lois and Clark, I ship the FUCK out of those two.

>>149189911
the one that had that half daxamite clone of superman or whatever?

>>149189911
I would recommend them. Now's a pretty good time too. They put out a DC Finest collection for some earlier stuff and there's two deluxe editions for more of their 80s adventures which were terrific. Great Darkness Saga is one of the big ones.

>>149129147 (OP)
You’re tasked with boiling down the Super family to six key characters.

Who do you choose and who do you cut?

Who do you revamp and whats your vision for them

>>149189957
I have a random single issue from the 80s in my longbox. It is a break-in to the LoSH HQ.

>>149189966
first of all: 'families' are toxic to comics. go back to having 'a sidekick' and then friends. maybe a 'whateveryouare-girl', sure

but secondly:
>Steel
>Superboy (just let him wear cool Kamina sunglasses and grow the back of his hair out. a lot.
>a reprogrammed The Eradicator set to 'good'
>Supergirl (Dcau version)
>Comet the Centaur
and did you mean Superman should be one of the six?

>>149189966

>>149189128
>Who look at the sky when someone is talking to you, then keep looking afterward
I do. It does not necessarily has to be the sky. A body of water, a flame, a tree, some item on the desk or even an empty wall will do (provided we aren't talking about anything specific right in fron of us). Never got that idea of why should i look at the face of the one i talk to, i just end up focusing on his eye's pupil or one of the colored stripes around it - and then you start complaining that i "stare".

>>149190033
looking somebody right in the eye is a super aggressive move. only humans can even stand up to that, animals look away. it should be kept brief. the only full eye contact i've ever had like that was teachers and parents lecturing me.

>>149190033
>>149190044
I like eye contact from people I want to be extra close to. Especially sustained eye contact during a date or while cuddling.

>>149190056
well obviously that's different
you also hold each other, whereas if you otherwise hold a person down, that's like, detaining em.

>>149189966
Really just Superman and Supergirl for me. Then Lois, Jimmy, and Perry. That's all you need. Having multiple Superkids, Clones, Wannabe's, etc. just cheapens everything.

>>149189994
>families' are toxic to comics
I think it works with Batman and Green Arrow due to them not having powers. Having teams allows them to maximize their efforts.

JLU should have given Kara her classic design

>>149189966
I'm approaching this like I'm in charge of an adaptation.
>Superman
>Supergirl
>Steel
>Krypto
The overabundance of super-powered characters results in the civilian supporting cast getting neglected. So, you only need one super-pet, and only on super-teen (the clone angle is not enough to give Kon his own spot, sorry). Steel serves as an example of Superman inspiring humans (and his design is rad).

Since I see there are a lot of Superman readers here, what are your expectations for the new Superman movie?

I've only just started getting into Superman but I really liked that short story with half the entire thing just repeating the phrase "I love you, I'm proud of you, you can do anything." I thought it was a great character piece, really drove home how much the his dad loved Clark and how much Clark loved the world because of it.
I really liked All Star Superman as well.
As I've gotten older I've really started to just appreciate the hell out of sincerity in stories and it seems like the ones that get recommended a lot have that in spades. He's rapidly becoming a top 3 character for me next to Captain America and my boy Gambit

>>149192405
My guess is it'll be panned on first release save for a few reviewers that get what it's going for, but will eventually gain an audience that appreciate its old school vibe. Basically the DC version of The First Avenger

>>149129147 (OP)
I read a bunch of Superman comics yesterday, mostly Elseworlds. They really stuck hard to the post-crisis origin. Liked Superman trying to solve world hunger and the one set in the Reeves continuity with Metallo.

But I think it's amusing how often Lara El becomes a villain if she lives lol, or maybe three times are the limit

>>149192405
It's going to be shit. Hate the TNG collar. Too many characters. I just want a Superman film where he does super things. Rescue people from a burning building, stop an asteroid from impacting the Earth, stuff like that.

>>149192550
>but will eventually gain an audience that appreciate its old school vibe
How so? It’s not exactly a 70s period piece. It’s gotg with a dc coat of paint. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t forgotten with the 25 other mcu movies.

>>149163711
Waid’s writing has degenerated and nowhere as coherent or even worthwhile as it was even in its slopes 20 years ago. To his credit, he claimed that there would be a general decrease of quality in his work since he no longer believes America has the “common good” he needs to believe in to write superheroes, even though this is just some retarded liberal cope prevaricating over that he just doesn’t have it anymore (and he’s “washed” as the kids say).

>>149193139
Wait it's not a sincere nostalgia movie? I thought for sure with the costume and the dog it was. Fuck

Love me some Superman.

>>149193201
Waid was always high strung, but Trump broke that man. I remember the first of that teen Marvel heroes comic he was writing with young Cyclops and Ms. Marvel had racist sheriffs in a small southern town burn down a black church, a Jewish synagogue, and a Muslim temple… all somehow in the same small town. Because Waid has clearly never ventured outside of a city. Also:
> “Waid repeatedly banging a telephone receiver on the ground over and over again and weeping … his habit of getting into violent arguments over the phone before crying in the middle of the office were so common other Marvel staff learnt to ignore it.”

Never read watch or thought about superman.
Whats the perfect book movie or series to get into it

>>149129147 (OP)
I want more Otho-Ra

>>149192405
Cautiously optimistic. Looks like a lot of fun and I like that it has color. I've liked Gunns other movies but it seems he isn't that popular here so maybe it's just me.

>Favorite stories?
All Star Superman, Birthright, Emperor Joker leap to mind

>Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
It's got a lot of fun ideas but barely uses them. Marilyn Moonlight gets a story once every eight issues, Lena returns only to become a background character and ultimately leave the book to go be in Supergirl. Jimmy and Silver Banshee are dating but we almost never see them. We've got a new chief of police but he does nothing. Liveware was working for the Daily Planet for like, one issue? and then forgotten. The book has a cast from the triangle era but without the benefit of four issues a month.

I'm honestly dropping the title with the Legion of Darkseid story, I don't give a fuck about the evil Darkseid Universe.

>When might we finally get a proper Superman game?
Never.

>Thoughts on Supergirl?
The character never really interested me, but Sophie Campbell's run is leaning really heavy into a bunch of Silver Age concepts which has my curiosity.

Roxy would work better as a Superman antagonist

>>149190933
I'll grant you that there's a certain function to that, but that's why Batman is good at leading teams, you don't.. you don't have to keep extending everything so far.. all these replacements, so many robins.. Damien is a terrible character, the mute batgirl is a terrible character.
Green Arrow has a team? What are they called, the Arrowists? y'know because they're terrorists..

>>149191717
it did. you just posted it but you undid the midriff
>>149192405
looks like wet garbage

>>149194088
How are people this clueless that this stuff is all engineered. it's literally guy from tv show replacing other guy from tv show who stopped running.
the stuff they believe in was going out of style, now it is ENTRENCHED because of all this. we'll never escape it. This is everything they could have hoped for.

>>149194389
whooo is that? cool costume.

>>149195146
Being retarded on purpose is still being retarded

>>149181352
>Livewire is already confirmed gay.
In the comics? Or are you just talking about the cartoons.

>>149195173
that's not the point. firstly, it's their side. secondly, it's benefiting their side.
smile and enjoy it you overlords. we all wish we had a strawman like this making our side of things look so good.

>>149192157
A genetically engineered bioweapon created by Superman's archenemesis to replace him is much better angle than bootleg Iron Man. Even if you like Steel he isn't a key character at all. Kon became a fairly successful character in his own right while Steel has not.

>>149195220
hey. hey.
he's bootleg war machine. don't forget it.

>>149195220
>Even if you like Steel he isn't a key character at all.

I think that's sort of it though. Steel was never intended to be. At least not so overtly. He was just some dude who looked up to Superman and used his own skills to try and follow that legacy. He was part of the story and the reason he caught on was because he was allowed to be himself rather than forced to be the next thing. And it worked. People like Steel. I like Steel. He fits into the mythos smoothly and has become so regular I can scarcely imagine him not being there.

Remember when they did try to push him though? God whose idea was it that Shaq should be an actor.

>>149194389
Who the hell is this?

>>149195606
One of the daxamite twins he picked up on War world. A lot of people write them off as cheap replacements for Kid Jon and they're not completely wrong but I think they're alright.

>>149195469
in fairness he has the size.
buty he's got such a hip-heavy build that they really needed to bulk out the pauldrons a little.. and the face was _never_ going to work without extensive CGI they weren't really ready for. nor does it make sense in-universe. Chrome metal just doesn't flex. he needs a solid faceplate and then to take his helmet off when you want to see him express.

>>149195965
it needs the cape

>>149196053
also this. DCAU pulled it off okay, it helped that it started with that police exosuit and it had more to break up the body so it wasn't one solid color (though in the process, it made him look like his name should be Lead or Iron)
but cape is still better...

>>149158768
Our Worlds at War came out a time when I was really in the mood for a big, warlike epic, so I look back on it fondly. The fights actually felt like they had consequences, and a few supporting characters get killed off and stay killed off (until the Nu52 reboot, at least). It was gave us what I believe was the first time Superman flew into the sun to go full DBZ. I remember reading this panel in particular and just blinking quietly for a few seconds at the implication of it.

>>149196416
And of course, it would eat my image. Thanks, 4chan.

Steel is a fantastic legacy hero

>>149196542
not a legacy but yeah. i like his rivet guns.

>>149196614
>>149196542
Well that's another plus. He's part legacy part original.

>>149196614
>>149196946
He technically is a legacy. John's entire hero career was inspired by Superman, and he donned the armor because at the time The Man of Steel was thought to be dead and gone. In fact that's what makes John so cool. He's not Kryptonian, he doesn't even have powers, yet he chose to fill incredibly big shoes when Metropolis needed a hero by using what he knew.

Also love the fact that Irons has a company that is responsible for rebuilding the city every time there's collateral damage.

>>149196996
he's a legacy in the meaning of the word
we're not using the word here, we're using fandom-specific jargon

Actually really hope DCU Superman does well so Steel can pop up in a sequel

>>149197083
you really want this universe to continue?
what part did you like most, clark kent's hair, the tight neck collar on superman, or his not-Superman-symbol Superman symbol?

>>149197135
What do you gain from being so mean? Also let's be real, your gripes come off as really nitpicky.

>>149197135
>you really want this universe to continue?

If it's good, sure.

>>149197155
are you familiar with the brown M&Ms principle?
if they can't get that right, how the fuck are they gonna get anything else right?
>>149197158
I think I'd sooner play the lottery than expect any kind of quality from a movie in 2025

>>149197179
I think it looks good, and I hope it is. Best case scenario it bumps public interest in Superman again.

>>149197186
i guess
in my mind, best case scenario is it bombs badly enough that they start over completely again. like hilariously bad.
if it's just 'fine' then that fucks everyone and everything over. we do not need another decade of 'fine' DC cinematic shared universe movies.

>>149197249
I just don't see any reason to get worked up either way. If it's good, great. If it's not, it's easy to ignore.

>>149197257
so now you've accused me of being 'mean' and 'worked up'
do I need to like, upload a recording of me talking in a Steven Wright kinda voice before you understand the morose tone going on here? I'm not pissed off, I'm -sad-

>>149197365
My you're an easily offended bitch

>>149197249
I'm optimistic. No the DCEU wasn't "fine", it was just bad. Poor foundation from the start
>>149197365
No that was me, sorry for the confusion with the other anon. Perhaps "needlessly cynical" would be a better descriptor. But I get your frustration given recent years

>>149129147 (OP)
I want superman to date a black chick.
Show the world he's hung.

>>149197498

>>149197511
Nah, 4 real doh.
Have him date a shortie from da club.

>>149197511
I want superman all in on jungle fevor. Make the ladies wet.

>>149197541
oh, superman, you mah nigga!
give it to me you cornfed white boi

>>149197553
unt superman is de uber fetishchiste ya?

>>149195469
>Shaq is the third co-CEO for DC Studios, alongside James Gunn and Peter Safran
Steel better come back.

>>149187602
very sexo

>>149197561
Ya, superman belongs in za klub, but listening to craftwerk and wearing mesh shirtz yah? Unt tight leather pants and boots.. vis za SS viser, sway cool yah?

>>149196996
Although Steel had no Kryptonian powers and is obviously the weakest of the Supermen he was the only one who acted like Superman, he was basically the soul of Superman.

Somebody basically needs to suggest that supermans cock is huge, because the public thinks hes a cuckold.

Like.. just the implication. It doesn't have to be explicit, just implied.

>>149197616
Clark simps for lois. Its pathetic. He should date a black chick.

>>149197625
You date a black chick everybody is going to think you have a huge cock.

>>149197498
Close enough

>>149197615
Steel was pretty cool.
I like when those gangbangers scrapped his ass against the side of the alley wall and he got fucked up and had to recover in the hospital, it shows hes not invincible.

>>149197670
classy.

I'd like to correct myself from earlier: Her name is "Red Cloud", not "Red Mist". Which again, fuck Bendis, but I think the character is worth keeping

>>149197670
Hola mr. superman, i cleen yur tights reel good but the stain she no come out! Ai, Dios Mios! Mr. Supes! Mr. Supers! Ohhhhh mrrrr. Supeermaaans!

>>149197740
>Red Mist
thats whats left after girls after superman finishes.

Any Livewire/Superman fics? I know about Sparks Fly, but I was hoping for more. They can smut or not.

>>149197411
cynical, yes. that is an accusation I can stand by.
I sure hope I'm wrong

>>149198687
Bitches love Superman

>>149198687
>You like my bazooms? It occurred to me that if I can transform into fucking lightning, I can just decide what shape to come back in

>>149198687
Cleslie is the superior Superman pairing.

>>149199145
You could also call them FarmShock or SuperShock depending on which identity you prefer Leslie with.

>>149199166
why would you ever do that..
if you're trying to combine their names, you'd have superwire or smallwire.

>>149199166
This sounds like you're shipping people with Virgil.

>>149197083
Idk why this site wants this movie to fail but I feel the same way.

>>149199166
They're all good I just think Cleslie sounds fun.

>>149199499
Movie shit posters.

>>149199499
Probably because if it does well it will give Gunn almost complete creative control of all DC media outside of comics. His brand of humor and his vision may very well work for Superman, or it might not, but I absolutely do not want him anywhere near characters like Wonder Woman or Batman....especially since he's expressed his intention at skipping straight to Damian (worst Robin) and he wants to use the hapa gimp suit Batgirl the yellowfeverfags on here are obsessed with. If it was standalone film that wasn't intended to serve as launching point for a new DC cinematic universe less people would be hoping for it fails.

>>149199499
I want it to either be amazing and I eat every word, or fail hard enough that it SENDS. a MESSAGE.
>>149199621
>Using Damian at all
eeeewwwwww

>>149199621
Imagine not believing that Cass is best Batgirl.

>>149199621
>Hurb durp not muhs
What a fag

>>149200003
cass is that one? i thought..

anyway I want to know and like more about Stephanie because Robin should have always been a girl from the start, but.. I'd be okay with Dick then Stephanie, no other robins.. so you can have Nightwing.
Babsgirl is the only one anyone should want or need of that one.

>>149200057
You're a cartoon only, aren't you?

>>149129147 (OP)
Thor has comics

>>149200003
None of the Batgirls except for Barbara matters at all.

>>149200068
Nta but you couldn't tell?

>>149200131
This is false, she's literally the most boring one.

What if superman got in a brawl that wound up in a gay nightclub?

He'd have to deal with gay guys hitting on him after he saves them trying to act all straight and butch dressed in pajamas and red underwear.

But you know they'd be all like, "Thank you superman!" And he'd be all like, "Don't mention it citizen! Happy Pride month!"

Be funnier if it said, "You saved me superman!"
and he was all like, "Whatever, faggot."

>>149200296
or like if he were a complete autist and thought the guy dressed in leather was a supervillian challenging him instead of flirting with him.

>"You're pretty big! But I bet I could take you.."
>"I wouldn't try it friend. You might end up a bit sore after you tangle with me!

>>149200296
>>149200368
You're a child

>>149200068
yo daaamn right

naw i like some comics but nothing from the 21st century.

I'm about to rank down to 1100 MR

>>149181115
Yes. It’s great. I’m going to get the second one as well.

>>149129147 (OP)
> Favorite stories?
Probably Strength and American Alien. Though I loved Tomasi’s run and have a guilty pleasure for H’el on Earth.
> Thoughts on the Williamson run going on right now?
Honestly haven’t been keeping up with mainline DC for a few years. What’s the status for the Kents right now?

>>149202381
I think the kents are not around. I'm a bit fuzzy on the whole rebirth thing though. Nu52 Superman died and then previous Superman came back with his family? Is that what happened?

>>149129147 (OP)

>>149202041

>>149173277
Cute

>>149200441
You're the one reading superman comics.

I'd like to show appreciation for Rampage, one of Bryne's creations. Would like to see her pop up again. Basically evil She-Hulk

>>149207723
She made a great Supergirl villain.

I know Eric Andre is meant to be a joke character and I don't actually care enough about comic Rampage to care but when I see him on screen I don't see any character, I just see Eric Andre

>>149207777
From which issue is this?

>>149208566
#6 of the 1996 Peter David Supergirl run.

>>149209261
Ah, Peter David ;_; you deserved better

https://www.hentai-foundry.com/stories/user/NidoranDuran/28142/I-Dont-Think-I-Can-Handle-This

Livewire loses to the Supercock, let's see how badly.

>>149187698
>Scared me a little
He almost turned the world over to Darkseid. Hamilton took it too far, but his fear and new found scepticism were well warranted

>>149209799
It's at least better than in the books where he just felt kind of neglected.

off topic but did they try to turn captain america into a globalist icon, too? I'm guessing not cause that would be retarded
Just wondering since Superman's motto got switched up to be more inclusive kek

>>149209296
Not really. If you read his political commentary the guy sounded batshit insane and full of hate. Which is a shame, I love some of his Star Trek novels, plus his tuns on the early 90s Trek comics, Supergirl, and Aquaman.

>>149195220
I'm not going to argue about Kon because I like him plenty, but
>bootleg Iron Man
Steel is more like a mirror image of Luthor, and a walking refutation of Luthor's espoused ideology that Superman's presence would make humans complacent.

>>149211466
Luthor's whole thing about Superman holding back humanity is a smokescreen for the real reason he hates Superman. Superman stops him from getting away with crimes. All that shit about advancing humanity never mattered to him. Before Superman showed up he was doing all the standard shady rich people shit. It's only when Superman showed up did he start doing the SciFi stuff.

>>149211899
I get that, but Steel drives home just how flimsy Luthor's excuse is. He's a living example of
>You could have saved the world years ago if it mattered to you Luthor

>>149211929
I think an interesting Elseworld would be if Clark was a normal human, but he still fights crime as a Spirit sort of character.

>>149211153
Not explicitly no but they do like to hammer in how he stands for the DREAM specifically.

>>149211899
It's the hair thing.

>>149129147 (OP)
Can we be the Supermen?

>>149212675
Yes. You can go out there and be the best you possible then return to your fortress of solitude.

>>149175044
Agreed, i really hated how in Countdown they brought the suit back but with a black cape, and ( im sure this is unpopular opinion here) i really didnt like the Superdad version of the black suit. Hell, i didnt even like his beard either.

>>149213187
A white cape would look pretty slick

>>149212052
What is this dogshit?

>>149213196
White cape wouldve worked better but i think the regen suit should be capeless.
White cape is sick looking though, JLords suit is such a great one.

I really like Up, Up and Away, Pete Woods' art in that is great.

>>149213632
Tom King. It's not terrific.

>>149213891
Ah. Superman. Without your formidable powers I see you now standing before me as a mere mortal .... WHO IS JACKED AS FUCK!

>>149129147 (OP)
I want a Silver Age mermaid tradwife.

>>149214047
This shit was loony toons

>>149129147 (OP)
>You guys want to have a Superman thread?
sure why not

>>149214710
I mean . . . in that issue, Superman is literally wearing a costume because he knows that Lois is spying on him, and he just wants to mess with her.

Thoughts on jorger jimenez on superman's art?

>>149186620
it’s the most basic of basic choices but Lex Luthor is a good fucking villain.

>>149196542
Any good comics?

>>149219096
I'll take that as a 'no'.

This is a pretty clever joke.

>>149141244
Loved there take on parasite

https://www.hentai-foundry.com/stories/user/DevilDuck/30488/COM-Man-of-Steel-Woman-of-Lightning

Leslie going a few rounds with the Supercock, ends with a knock up.

>>149220239
>And justice for all

>>149220319

>>149217364
Good shit.

>>149129147 (OP)
Superman tries to evacuate a building, but its a fucking porn studio. Its all above board California legal, so superman has no choice but to go around awkwardly claiming there is a fire hazard in the building, and to exit the building in a calm and orderly fashion.

They all exit the building half naked in front of a grade school as it exits for recess.

>>149224041
Lois manages to convince clark to open an only fans account, but then she puts his pics on grindr as a stunt for charity.
Then superman has to open his own onlyfans to clear clarks good name, but says its only for the ladies.

Ah, Mxy

>>149224041
Superman doesn't live in LA. Superman doesn't even live in Orange County. He lives in some sort of fantasy world that people in LA think they live in. LA is fucking disgusting, I don't see how it was ever an allegory for Metropolis.

>>149224233
Superman doesn't step outside his bachlor pad in san francisco and step in a pile of human excrement because bums smear shit all over the walls of public toilets and businesses won't let them go inside.

He doesn't go to work at buzzfeed sharing an open office with 15 tumblerinas or go to bloomburg screaming about how hard they are for Israel and how their think tank is going to push for news articles on Iran to sell his editors lockheed stock.

Superman is completely divorced from the real world. He lives in a sterilized little bubble so people can feel bad about themselves for not being 'normal' cause their gated community has bums sleeping outside it.

The city on which his paradise is modeled is a complete dystopia.

>>149224298
Go be a retard somewhere else

Superman is the most sexually sterilized comic I've ever seen. He is basically a cuckold, he pines endlessly for lois while she fucks around on him and basically enjoys teasing him, but there is no mention of sex or sexuality in any form whatsoever. The guy is literally dressed in his pjs like a toddler.

I mean, for fucks sake, we all got here the same way, we didn't come from storks. Its like those old sitcoms where you'd see husband and wife sleeping in seperate beds cause the censors where puritanical nutjobs.

>>149224322
I can be a retard here.

>>149182876
>>149182939
Oh hey, I have these too :)
I don't know if it's the age, but there's something really comfy about flipping through older trades.
>>149186620
Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman. Just too cool
>>149192405
Not expecting much. Nothing I've seen looks visually appealing or really promising; it looks more like an an advertisement for the DCU than a bona fide Superman movie. I understand skipping the origin story, but there's something to be said about dropping casual audiences into a world that already has Super-robots, a Fortress of Solitude, Krypto, a Justice team, parallel worlds, supervillains and possibly clones. They might pull it off, idk.

>>149187602
You draw this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FllZDPpq1aw
Super Kino, amirite?

>>149145083
>Krypto sucks tho
I love 90% of silver age Supes, but I cannot abide the animals talking in thought balloons or baby characters talking like cavemen.

good thread folks

I hate Garth Ennis, but my favorite Superman moments actually come from Hitman. Really humanized the Man of Steel when it showed the weight on his shoulders as Earth's greatest hero, and how every time he fails to live up to that, it eats him alive.

>>149186620
Manchester Black

GENTLEMEN.

>>149224646
>Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman. Just too cool

I feel the same way. People always harp about Lex's pettiness, but nothing says petty like stealing another man's likeness to punish him for your own mistakes.

>>149224646
>I don't know if it's the age, but there's something really comfy about flipping through older trades.
There was an artistry that's lacking today. Stories had to be compelling because they needed to SELL. Think about it, you had a new issue of Superman every week. The creatives had to consistently put out top work and couldn't subsist on half a book about characters eating and the other half trying to do some bumbling allegory about how bad Republicans are.

>>149227979
Based Superman is a cigar CHAD.

>>149226265
That's cool, anon. It's all right to be wrong and have terrible taste. Sweet of you to jump into a thread about something you hate and make pointless remarks. I'm sure all of our years of positive nostalgia have been shaken to their very core as we suddenly realign our views to yours.

>>149192995
Then go watch Superman returns if you don't want him fighting anyone.

>>149228545
I saw Superman Returns in the theater, bitch. That movie had some serious flaws but at least it felt like Superman.