>“Elio” face-planted with theworst start in Pixar's 30-year history,, earning $21 million domestically and $35 million globally

https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/elio-box-office-flop-pixar-original-movies-fail-1236437644/

Kek everyone knew this movie was going to be shit. Nobody is going to see it. Elio is a massive faggot.

>>149216866 (OP)
It has nothing to do with the quality of the movie itself and everything to do with Disney executives intentionally sabotaging their own animated movies so they have an excuse to focus on their faggoty live action remakes. They sabotaged their 2D animations so they could focus on 3D shit, and not they're doing the same thing to 3D.
If they actually marketed the fucking movie and it didn't have the disgusting art style they've been obsessed with the last few years Elio would have done well. The idea of a story about a boy who thought Earth was gay and boring as shit and would rather hang out with aliens sounds giga-kino.

>how come nobody liked my cartoon where i portray myself as a little boy getting vored?

I'm just happy we aren't gonna be seeing more of this beanmouth crap anymore.
I think why they pushed it is the same as why they build those blocky apartments, it's to demoralise people.

>>149216900
lol youre right they sabatoged the marketing but wrong about why. they started production in 2022. whats happened since then? a major consumer revolt against homosexuality in children's media. they didnt market this movie because they were hoping to fly under the radar, maybe make back some of the money they wasted making it. if they lushed hard on the marketing thered probably jave been protests at theaters rather than more ticket sales.
all the movies we see take about 3 years to produce. so there's lag between market changes and movie premieres. no market has shifted like it did in america 2025 except germany in 1933. and everyone at disney should be on their knees praising god america didnt go as hard as the germans did.

>>149216961
>anymore
3 year delay

>>149216961
turning red was good, animepedo.

>>149216979
3 years is an acceptable wait for me. I like watching the slow burn

>>149216979
The more these fail the better. I'm surprised a bunch of the leftoids didn't pull a Nezha 2 and just buy tickets, but seems they're to broke for that now.

>>149216866 (OP)
>People don't want to see a movie about some beaner go to space rendered in the GrubHub art style
Imagine my surprise
>>149217005
>Period allegory
No

>>149217005
Shut up troon

>>149216974
Sorry to rain on your parade but America is gonna ended this decade gayer, browner, dumber, and poorer than it is now. There’s no 1933. It’s Eliover

>>149216961
>I think why they pushed it is the same as why they build those blocky apartments, it's to demoralise people.
You might be on to something

>>149216866 (OP)
Still going to watch it.

>>149217005
Planet retard tier post.

>>149217034
>is gonna ended

>>149217027
Retard

>>149217150
>anime

>>149217127
Anon it's quite simple, you see they purposefully push this crap and try to get it mainstream so they have more control, the issue is that they pushed it so much that normies hate it now and associate it with it being woke. Another reason they push the artstyle is so they can shit propaganda out faster because the artstyle is so simple even a retard could draw it and it saves studios money while they pocket the rest.

REMEMBER!
These people are not progressives, they're failed communists (I wouldn't even call them that) and their decade of trying to trick the public has come to an end, even canceling people doesn't work anymore because everyone is saying slurs, you can't cancel everyone for being "problematic" and they are mad about it and are pulling the "whatever happened to empathy" card. Nobody gives a fuck about their protests, nobody gives a fuck about gays, nobody gives a fuck about what the fat overweight millennial women have to say (they wobble walk now due to all of the Red40 and hair dye).
Simply just not buying what they make is enough to cripple their entire movement, after all they can't force us to go buy and watch woke shit. Doing nothing is the key, don't hate watch and just mock it when it fails.

>>149217191
For a schizo you make some good points

>>149217191
Half right half truths, as usual. Nobody gives a fuck about protests and social progressiveness because it's all performative, because it all fails to address the root of any of the issues its trying to solve. Liberals just pander to people who are actually oppressed by the system in order to get their votes, in order to get them to feel satisfied by their impotent moral outrage, in order to pacify them and get them back to work at their shitty jobs. Maybe they make a little bit of superficial progress every now and then in order to be able to claim an ounce of legitimacy, but they will absolutely never truly solve any problems.
Failed communists, perhaps, though I'd argue they never really wanted to be communists in the first place. Just manipulative assholes, a subtle and insidious form of evil. At least the right wing is very honest about their evil lol.

>>149217023
yeah they have no enthusiasm. that was the original marketing strategy. fill the slop of lefty call backs and the activists will buy tickets and merch to own the chuds.
except, those people think cartoons are stupid. buying protest tickets sounds like a real lark...once. the girl ghostbusters whole marketing was centered on that concept. it never worked as well as making a good movie that appeals to people who are interested in animation or family content. certainly didnt keep working at all. you cant base a business on people buyjng your product to spite an opposing social group.

>>149217191
>they're failed communists (I wouldn't even call them that)
the adoption of "cultural" in cultural marxist was an admission of defeat on their part. they cannot win on the merits of their ideas so they switched to brainwashing and it worked well enough to tear things down but the defining characteristic of evil is the inability to build or create.

>>149217288
talk about half truths and being half right
>Nobody gives a fuck about protests and social progressiveness because it's all performative,
uh huh. youre starting to figure it out
> because it all fails to address the root of any of the issues its trying to solve.
heres where you fucked up. the problem is that the issues they rally against are not issues but are in fact good things. they are the enemies of goodness. they protest against what is right and valuable while lying about it. it's not an accident. theyre not well intended deep down but naive. they know what they are doing theyre doing it on purpose.

>>149216866 (OP)
>no cute females
The only reason I still watch cartoons. These big corpos should know by now that people like me only watch cartoons at my age to see some 2D cuties. The first thing they should do is
>add a waifubait character for 30 years old losers
It's not that hard.

>>149217397
>a waifubait character for 30 years old losers
That was Elio.

>>149216866 (OP)
Lol lmao even
A worse opening than Ownard

>>149217173
Yes

>>149217005
>turning red
>good
>calls anon "animepedo"

>>149217005
>calls a nupixar movie that glorifies pedophilia good
>calls out another anon a pedo
ever heard of the term, "people who live in glass houses, you fucking spazz?

>>149216866 (OP)
Huh I guess normies are alright

Turning red and inside out2 deserved that flop. I guess the audience is way more indulgent when the mc is a girl

>>149217661
>inside out2
>flop
nigga, the movie was a huge billion dollar success at the box office, even if it was a glorified piece of soulless corporate slopshit just to cash in on the popularity of the first movie

>>149217005
you're also a groomer as well for watching Turning Red

>>149216961
kys birchy

>>149216866 (OP)
Why do they keep making movies that look like the Grubhub commercial?

Why does this faggot keep showing up in every Elio post?

>>149217005
Only pedophiles say turning red was good

>>149217777
I'm autistic and I hate this nigger. Is this just some woke mf trying to gain support from autists?

>>149217775
it's just this crazy convergence of optimizing the animation process, outsourced studios only being able to do limited styles, a clique of artists who identify each other based on style, and executives playing hojey pokey as far as interferring when they shouldnt and not when they should.

>>149217777
then why doesnt this kid hate the movie he's in?

>>149216866 (OP)
More like FAILio

>>149216866 (OP)
The public wants Toy Story and Cars sequels!
Not any new shit, fuck your new shit.

>>149216866 (OP)
>>149216900
>>149217033
>>149217288
>>149217511
>>149217655
>>149217777
>>149218200
>>149218477
checked

>>149218477
what's "new" in this movie? it seems to actually be ripping off mars needs moms.

>>149218539
It should have been Mars Needs Moms 2.

>>149217777
Most people would rather be entertained by a fun movie than relate to a quirky weird awkward annoying movie.

>>149216961
>I'm just happy we aren't gonna be seeing more of this beanmouth crap anymore.

>>149218672
>relate to
>entertained by
whew. this is a big big point you brought up.

where's the woah image? why hasn't anyone posted that yet? I was looking for it.

>>149216900
>The idea of a story about a boy who thought Earth was gay and boring as shit and would rather hang out with aliens sounds giga-kino.
That would depend entirely on the writers

>>149218871
its also a subtle subversion plot
>wow my normal life in this coherent spciety is so boring
>huh a dark seedy alley way full of spciety's rejects? lets check it out.
>wow these weirdos sure are showing me a lot of cool pleasurable thi gs. theyre not as bad as those authority figures said they were
>i see now. thank you monsters for explaining to me that my home is bad and my authority figures are evil. lets kill them so monsters can roam in the open once more!

>>149216866 (OP)
EliOVER WHAT?

>>149216866 (OP)
That is very fake news. Heh, nice try....

ELIO IS FUCKING WINNER! MANY POSITIVE REVIEWS! AMAZING!!!

>>149216866 (OP)
Turns out people are sick and tired of movies about ugly, weird neurodivergent tards being awkward and having panic attacks on screen.

At least all the Toy Story and Incredibles remakes feature actually likable fun characters that are interesting to see doing adventurous heroic things on screen.

>>149218964
Who makes a big triumphant banner for 88%? It's a B+ movie at best here and they act like that's a massive win.

>>149217191
>doing nothing is the key
Look its great that the radical liberals are destroying themselves but you must understand that is the whole point of the radicalism.
Doing nothing and "winning" is like pointing at the ruins of your own civilization and laughing in victory.
At some point good people need to take charge again.
Otherwise we will be like russia, where one corrupt regime collapses and is replaced with the same league of crooks that ruined it to begin with.

>>149218964
>the only people who liked the movie got to see it for free

>>149219068
>At some point good people need to take charge again.
that point is not mysterious. sun tzu lays it out
>if fighting is sure to result in defeat then you must not fight
>you can determine you chances of winning through calculations
>you cannot fight until you have the money(paraphrasing)
>for every soldier you must have 12 support personnel.
there's a lot of prework to do and that is inhibited by the big dogs crowding the market.

>>149216900
sounds like some conspiracy theory to me

>>149219206
the discontinuation of the 2d department is a pu kically recorded event. a descendant of walt took over and forced them to make lrincess and the frog. then he died and they shutdown the 2d studio again. the marketing black outs were reported in major news after the buzz lightyear fiasco.

>>149219206
So its true then? Excellent.

>>149216900
>stuck in production hell for years
>stupid premise
>unlikable main character
>despite what apologists say, it was actually advertised quite aggressively (because even corpos can fall for the "not enough marketing" meme)
>normies don't actually give a fuck about 2d or 3d or live action remakes

The real truth is that this was a movie made for nobody and so no one saw it.

ATTENTION!! Pixar wants you all to shut up, stop complaining and just watch the movie no this is not a joke
https://www.tiktok.com/@pixar/video/7520662631242321165?embed_source=121374463%2C121468991%2C121439635%2C121749182%2C121433650%2C121404359%2C121497414%2C121477481%2C121351166%2C121487028%2C121679410%2C121331973%2C120811592%2C120810756%2C121503376%3Bnull%3Bembed_blank&refer=embed&referer_url=wdwnt.com%2F2025%2F06%2Fstop-complaining-pixar-urges-public-to-view-elio-in-theaters-with-popular-tiktok-trend%2F&referer_video_id=7520662631242321165

>>149218935
Shut up faggot

Obviously they went wrong with a boy protagonist who has no appealing features to boys. It’s a very effeminate story (“emissary from earth selected by aliens” where Elio is literally a cosmic HR representative) but girls won’t see the film for the same reason that they don’t enjoy watching sci-fi films with male leads. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

And it doesn’t help that it was in production hell, mismanaged in marketing, has a dull and drawn out art style, and even if not “woke”, has all the visual qualities of previous “woke” media; “if it looks like a duck”, etc.

It doesn’t help that the people who made this movie as noted by >>149219481 are the same types to use emotional blackmail promulgated by Californian progressives excessively. Even if there’s no major messaging behind this in support of some ideology not widely projected, people are generally skeptical of Disney and can recognize what these people make even if seemingly innocuous.

It's really sad this shit happening. I really liked Elio's concept from the start. Who cares if he's even "neurodiv"? Eye patch, latinos, I didn't care for all that usual stuff when the first trailer came out, because it showed some really nice, darker, scifi potential.
Despite they turned it into happy adventure space journey I still want to go watch it. I really like these rare Pixar films, like with the Good Dinosaur. Not saying they are great or good even, but there's something about them with protagonists going on their own into lonely, uncertain adventures. Just like the people greenlighting these projects at Pixar. Im sick with the usual Pixar crew of friends. Never liked it really.
Well, this season is sucking anyway, with mission impossible failing too, and those live action abominations from Disney and DreamWorks get all the money from stupid people.

disney manchildren deserve nothing but ugly brownoid characters

>>149219654
The eyepatch is because of an eye injury that isn't even permanent that serves as plot point for involving the clone later on. I don't think you're alone in your preference of what Elio could've been based on it's first trailer, I've seen other anons share a similar sentiment.

>>149219896
where full pic?

>>149217005
>Turning Red
>Good.

>>149216900
>The idea of a story about a boy who thought Earth was gay and boring as shit and would rather hang out with aliens sounds giga-kino.

That's just an elevator pitch. You can make the elevator pitch of anything sound rad as hell. Lightyear probably sounded rad in an elevator pitch. Wish can be summed up in an interesting elevator pitch. You're an idiot.

>>149218964
>8.8

>>149216866 (OP)
he wonathon taylor thomas

>>149219397
it was made for the gay mexican who originally scribbled the crayon steven universe ripoff character.
it was all a plot to create a big budget festure with a shota bait self insert of the gay mexican creator so he could wak off to the fanart drawn of "him" as a little boy getting full body sucked off by a worm.

<<149219495
responces like this let you know youre over the target

>>149220705
and im not even being hyperbolic
>gee su kinda gives me a boner. i wish millions of people drew porn of me. lemme wave around the fact im gay and mexican until pixar is guilted into cutting a check and wasting studio time making a whole movie just so i can jack off

>>149217777
People like this are the reason why I'm a self-hating autistic man.

oh no no no no no

>>149217005
>nothing but buzzwords in response

>>149221538
oh look my wild assumptions based on the sexuality and race of the original director are all right.

>>149221538
Why are animated movies about trauma dumps now?
What happened to films being fun?

>>149216900
>It would be good if it wasn't bad
Retard

>>149216974
Pixar movies take 5 years to make. This was made as Disney's answer to Steven Universe, even though that was only popular on Twitter with adult tumblrinas and actual kids didn't really watch it.

>>149221538
Based test audience

>>149221538
They're obsessed with gay kids. It's so fucking weird. Why did they think anyone would like this? Strange Worlds was the same shit.

>>149221538
>the faggy kid nobody wants to be really was gay
powerful

>>149221819
They need to stop making movies about dorky fags and try making a movie about a cool kid for once. Why are they obsessed with making movies about these dweeby loser kids? Anime is popular with kids because the MCs are cool, and if the MC is a loser atleast they're surrounded by other characters who are cool, or cute waifus. The more Disney avoids this formula, the more they will fail.

>it's obvious Riley was originally meant to be a lesbian crushing on the red stripe hockey girl in inside out 2 also. Why is Disney obsessed with making kids gay?

>>149220705
>>149220799
>shota bait
I don't think you know what it means, but I do think you're right that the creator has a pedophillic fixation..

>>149221538
>Elio was initially portrayed as a queer-coded character with also a scene in Elio’s bedroom with pictures suggesting a male crush.
Bob Iger probably put a stop to that. How come the Pixar employees that are still employed aren't publicly whining about the gay changes like they did with Bob Chapek when he initially cut out the gay kiss scene from Lightyear.

>>149218935
Not doing this is something I liked about ParaNorman. The villian of the movie is le bullied outcast who has become corrupted by revenge.

>>149221808
>>149221819
To be fair Molina is gay and it's a pixar personal movie but the leaked artbook from the scrapped version of the movie had no mention of a crush, if it was anons would've been all over it and spamming that shit on /co/ awhile ago. Big if true, gay if fake

>>149216900
But the live-action Snow White has poisoned the remake slop machine...or did the shitty Lilo & Stich remake do enough to reverse that?

>>149222187
They didn't include all the concept work in the art book. They knew not to, the art book only shows what Disney wanted you to see.

>>149222198
>Lilo & Stich remake do enough to reverse that?
This and LA how to train your dragon's success will just encourage them to keep making more.

>>149222270
Perhaps, that very well could be the case here. Even for the version that as meant for 2024, I wonder if Strange World's artbook was similar though that one had the gay crush actually make it into the movie(I think)

>>149217191
>These people are not progressives, they're failed communists (I wouldn't even call them that)

True, hardcore Communists actually get results, these whiners just annoy everyone.

>>149221538

Honestly they should have just fucking canned this film like Warner Brothers tried to with Coyote vs. Acme

>>149222056
Bob Iger is stronger

>>149222346
It cost Disney $300 million to make pre-marketing (because they basically made two seperate movies because the first version failed so hard in testing). No way they could justify writing that off to investors.

>>149221538

Disney's #1 priority this summer is getting Marvel back on track with Fantastic 4. Marvel already struck out twice this year, and they really can't afford an out.

Releasing this was just a contractual obligation.

>>149216961
The blocky aparments look good to me, regardless they are built because existing regulations make them the more convenient thing to build. Lots of cities require apartments to break up 'visual massing' and don't permit ornamentation in case it breaks off hence blocky looking apartments are the end result.

>>149219626
Sci-fi has poor aesthetics for appealing to little girls. It's always been a hard sell for the female half and the only time that wasn't the case was the 2010s dystopia craze and that was for *books* where you don't have to actually look at anything.

>>149222398
I don't mind either, but build them outside the cites and leave the historical buildings alone. And charge like 400 to 600 a month for them, there's no fucking way I'm paying 1800 to live in a box, I'll take my chances in the ghetto.

>>149221538
It is fucking unbelievable how many people in Hollywood these days just have no other ambitions other than to make a movie about themselves and their extremely first-world Californian problems rather than wanting to make a really cool movie with inventive characters and stories that millions of people the world over would love.
Genuinely how did we get to this point? I'm all for directors/showrunners making something they want to make, but so many of them take "write what you know" way too literally.

>>149222425
Sailor Moon and Steven Universe are sci fi that girls accept. You have to include crystals if you want girls to like your sci fi.

>>149222543
CalArts and it's consequences were a disaster for the animation industry.

>>149222543
It's definitely a trend with Hollywood but the case with Pixar is this shit being intentional, like they've actively chosen to focus on movies with autobiographical elements. It isn't simply the writers, directors, whatever projecting or sneaking in their trauma, these are the kind of movies they've decided to greenlight. Some of these people at Pixar have been with the company since the 2000s and that's what's baffling.

>>149216866 (OP)
What we got was the toned down version too.The original pitch was even gayer and more annoying than the final film.

>>149221741
A wealthy 3rd generation Hollywood nepobaby has no actual experiences in life to write about< They never did shit, never experienced anything so all they go is stories about the time their dad did not accept their boyfriend or the time their grandmother was mean to them.

>>149222685
>didn't read though the thread
Ermm...

>>149222685
>They censored the gay shit and it still failed.
HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHA
Also based test audience.

>>149222543
>>149222651
>>149222709
Pretty much the nepo baby thing.

They have closed all doors and made it so fucking impossible to get in that the only people making movies now are born into families of previous Hollywood movie makers. And rich affluent fucks have nothing to write about and no life experience to adapt. They lived perfect lives so all they can do is making whiny bitchy self-inserts that complain about nothing 1rst world problems like their parents divorcing.

>>149222543
>>149222651
>>149222709
Lasseter would have shot all these shit ideas down at the pitch with harsh criticism and worked with the team to make several drafts until they came up with something good. When Lasseter got politicking out, the floodgates opened and all the no talents were allowed to make anything they wanted with no one there to push back and tell them their idea was shit- Lasseter used to do this and it generated a lot of resentment in the younger generation of Pixar staff, which is why they all conspired to politick a John out. When Lasseter left, the studio died.

>>149222751
For some reason random middle class Asian Americans who aren't nepobabies keep being allowed to lead and direct Disney animated movies too, see Raya and Turning Red and Elemental.

>>149222543
Part of the problem is American creative culture (namely animated storytelling) becoming gynocentric. Generally speaking, art produced by women is much more autobiographical than men. When a local art scene becomes run by women, the art they produce will be nearly entirely autobiographical. Talking about their lives and their experiences, how they feel about X or Y, what happened to them, who they're in love with or who they find gross, what they like to buy or where they like to go, etc.

This isn't inherently bad. When a well-read and learned high IQ woman writes fiction, you get some of the best fiction even written like Frankenstein or Earthsea. It is both masculine (I am doing this) and feminine (this happened to me). But when you have the entire art scene being dominated by women who:

>aren't well read
>are midwits
>don't have interesting lives to draw from
>avoid conflict like the plague
>resent men
>don't give a shit about what the average person likes
>have upbringings and outlooks that have little in common with general audiences

You get stuff like recent Pixar.

From Wikipedia
>Molina joined Pixar in 2007. He started as a 2D animator on Ratatouille. He later moved on to be a storyboard artist, working on Toy Story 3 and Monsters University.[1] Molina also illustrated the Little Golden Book for Toy Story 3.[2] After writing for The Good Dinosaur, Molina started his first assignment as a screenwriter, for Coco, and later went on to co-direct the film. He also wrote several lyrics for the film
>Little Golden Book for Toy Story 3
He can actually draw apparently, he just scribbled shit for Elio.
>>149222764
Lasseter gets more credit than he deserves honestly, he kickstarted the trend of shitty sequels and gave us stinkers like Bolt.
>When Lasseter left, the studio died.
Pixar truthers or whatever will argue it was when Joe Ranft died.
>>149222781
In the case of Elemental, Peter Sohn has experience both at WDAS and Pixar, he even does minor va roles and provided concept art but he also previously directed the Good Dinosaur so...

>>149221538
>>149222543
This shit has to be fucking infuriating for anyone trying to make it and get somewhere in the industry. A script writer or wanna be director who has some great idea they really want to make real bad or have been working on it for years. But they have to constantly get in line behind more and more and more annoying shits who actually get the studio greenlight to make their
>My self-insert story about a fat gay weird kid who had to deal with parents!
over an over again, and sometimes studios stop taking pitches because the last three fat gay weird kid movies failed and lost too much revenue for the studio.

>>149222781
>For some reason
It's cause they're all asian females marrying jewish men.

>>149222781
California apparently does something to them. Because Asians in Asia can make fun movies about gods fighting, demon hunting, adventures while in school, and saing the world.

But the second they move to the US they can only make movies about how their immigrant dad acts weird, or their immigrant mom keeps buiggn them to get married.

>>149217005
It was mid as fuck, and it's not about aesthetics or Disney "conspiring" against animated movies, it's purely down to people being fucking sick of Disney/Pixar movies that are just "the filmmaker's thinly veiled therapy session" shit.

>>149222863
Exactly!

>>149222633
Girls also were drawn to Star Wars, especially the PT with how pretty it was and how many damn outfits Padme got. It's something Disney doesn't really understand when it comes towards attracting the female demographic: women like sci-fantasy when it is PRETTY and has fashionable outfits to wear. Lucas grew up with Flash Gordon and it was very popular with women for the same reasons as the PT

>>149222842
American Asians are spiritually cucked. People who immigrate get spiritually cucked if they don't pass down their native languages. It's a neurosis you'll find with most Anglos, Africans, Asians, pretty much anyone who isn't either Native or Hispanic. In the case of Asians, they're so desperate to find success that they quickly pick up English but neglect to pass down Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/Japanese, whatever. So the children grow up learning English and absorb Anglo neurosis (AIEEE MY WHITE GUILT), as well as the neurosis of being an immigrant without their native tongue.

>>149222543
I've said it before, I'll say it again: modern English education places a very strong emphasis on personal narrative. It started as as attempt to make students care when the normal subject matter failed to capture their attention leading to a curriculum that focused on memoir passages, personal essays and fiction that was based on the author's own life. An expressed point of taking classes like that was that so you could learn how to write your own things that related to your life for other people to read. It's the end result of "Write what you know" taken to it's logical conclusion.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/how-self-expression-damaged-my-students/262656/

the above article is very close to the English education I received and I'm in the same age range as Adrian Molina and Domee Shi.

>>149222764
Lassiter greenlit a movie that was nothing but a Director self-inserting to tell the story about her parents divorce, with a slight fantasy coat of paint on top.

>>149222898
>People who immigrate get spiritually cucked if they don't pass down their native languages.
>It's a neurosis you'll find with most Anglos...
????

>>149222898
I'll let you in on a secret. The girls who like the prequels like them because Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor are hot. You're right, they also like the Padme romance plot but they're mainly there for the two hot guy leads.

Girls also like the MCU initially because the movies starred hot guy chads who would constantly get their abs out. They started tuning out in phase 5 when all the dudes started to get emasculated and girlbosses took over everything.

>>149216866 (OP)
>playdough beanmouth

>>149222863
this - bad guys has the same aesthetic and /co/ loved that shit

>>149222934
This movie is actually good, especially when compared to anything Pixar put out since he left.

>>149222937
I think he means they adopt a similar weak sense of identity and a complex because they're rootless? I guess anglos in this case is referring to surburban and urban american/canadians.

>>149222842
Asian Americans, especially hapas, have a giant chip on their shoulder about being alienated from the culture of their parents / grandparents. They will never fully fit in with white society. Even if white people are nice to them, trust them, and accept them, they always feel slightly out of place among whites and this gnaws at them. The insecurity drives them literally insane. If you want an example of what peak second/third generation Asian American insanity looks like, look at Josh Luna's comics.

>>149219206
>conspiracy theory

It a theory about a conspiracy. What you do you think "conspiracy theory" means, anon?

>>149222781
Elemental was OK. Not great but charming, it's big issue being that the worldbuilding didn't make a lot of sense and there not being enough humor for a kid's movie. Raya needed another story pass but could have been better with tweaks.

Turning Red is unsalvageable because the MC is super unlikable.

>Gone were not only such direct examples of his passion for environmentalism and fashion, but also a scene in Elio’s bedroom with pictures suggesting a male crush.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/elio-pixar-america-ferrera-director-queer-2-1236301860/

>>149223065
>According to multiple insiders who spoke to The Hollywood Reporter, Elio was initially portrayed as a queer-coded character, reflecting original director Adrian Molina’s identity as an openly gay filmmaker. Other sources say that Molina did not intend the film to be a coming out story, as the character is 11. But either way, this characterization gradually faded away throughout the production process as Elio became more masculine following feedback from leadership. Gone were not only such direct examples of his passion for environmentalism and fashion, but also a scene in Elio’s bedroom with pictures suggesting a male crush.

Why?

>>149223065
>Gone were not only such direct examples of his passion for environmentalism
WHO THE FUCK WAS THIS MOVIE MADE FOR?

>Elio was originally portrayed as a member of the LGBT+ community, with photos of a male crush in his room, but all of this was removed by the decision of Pixar executives.

>Several Pixar employees resigned after the film's LGBT+ storyline was removed, as they were disappointed by the lack of representation.

>Adrian Molina, the original director, was replaced during production. At the test screening of his version, no one raised a hand when asked if it would be seen in theaters.

>Although the official budget is $150 million, internal employees claim the actual cost exceeded $200 million.

>Despite receiving positive reviews, some Pixar creatives consider the final version of Elio to be "flat" and that the character lacks depth and representation.

Jesus Christ, what's the lesson we should take from this? To let our children be brainwashed?

>>149223085
Why is Disney obsessed with turning kids gay? If Elio looked as gay as the initial version, thos movie would have made even less money.

>>149221741
ironman 2. they explicitely wanted to introduce panic attacks and ptsd into the movie and its been a staple ever since. its part of their effort to destroy heros.

>>149221780
yes. 3 years is the low estimate. elio began production 2022 though

>>149222981
>>149222937
I should be more specific. Urban Anglos are neurotic while rural ones are less so due to having smaller and more tight-knit communities. Religion and shared culture brings them together. Meanwhile, an urban/suburban Anglo is atomized and isolated from the wider community. Lonely people are always fucking crazy and insecure, especially ones without religion or a hierarchy to keep them in check.

Anglos have a neurosis only shared with the Japanese (coming from overseas and planting roots into new territory, wiping out the natives, and the language-culture spiritually changing due to the impact of the environment shaping how people think and feel)

>>149223112
LA liberals think people are less homophobic in smaller numbers than they actually are. Disney wants Blackrock checks. And artists assume the mythical rich LGBT demographic exists in higher numbers than in reality.

>>149222971
>>149222863
Bad Guys doesn't have the same aesthetic which is important. People really do get tired of specific looks so even if Elio was good (and I hear it is) audiences won't feel compelled to see it because animated films have long appealed on the basis of visual spectacle. Even when Pixar was doing well and had a better reputation audiences were starting to rag on how predictable they were (because they kind of were). Even if you could go back in time and pull the stinkers from their lineup Pixar's star was always fated to dim because people get tired of good things eventually in favor of something that is good and novel enough. I think if Elio had premiered sometime in the 2010s it would have done much better. But people are just tired of Pixar and this particular look.

>>149223085
>>149223112
Doesn't feel like brainwashing here, partly due to the autobiographical bits say compared to shoving in a random token gay character or making a background character gay for brownie points and other pandering shit.

>>149222187
to NOT be fair molina is gay and all he can do is wax and moan about it. hence the movie being awful. as a direct result of his sexuality. it is because he is gay that he made this movie just so he could sexualize his child avatar. thats why the movie is bad. no one wants to watch someone else's sexual fantasies. such things are cringe.

>>149223085
I don't think it's really that complicated

>No more autobiographical storylines, which are never relatable to a broad audience
>Make the main character cool, cute, or funny—not some dorky-looking loser
>Focus on non-human characters, which has always been Pixar's strength, especially relative to the competition
>Just do sequels, which is the only lesson Pixar will actually learn

>>149223155
Lmfao, you have never met a rural white American, You people are like weebs but for rednecks

>>149223135
I feel like it's more justified in movie series like Iron Man because audiences have already seen them in a good light and the point is that they will rise above their problems. It's more out of place in a singular movie where the audience doesn't yet have that attachment or history with the character.

>>149222748
censoring gay shit is like mopping uo real shit. it looks clean but you can still smell it.

>>149223195
Well he did say less but they can be just as rootless and atomized as their surburban and urban counterparts.

>>149223182
I think it's easer to get away with dorky looking loser MCs when they aren't human or when they have a non human buddy. Linguini is a dork but he has Remy. Mike Wazowski is a dork but he's a monster with an even bigger monster buddy. People are harsher on humans.

>>149223195
the noble savage myth but for rednecks

This reminds me a lot of "Bros", the gay romcom made by Billy Eichner that bombed a few years ago. There's nothing wrong with making a movie by and for a niche group per se, but you have to be realistic about the appeal and budget accordingly. Even if it's a great movie, a film about a dorky gay boy is just never going to reach a broad enough audience to justify a $200 million ($300 million?) budget

>>149223065
yes get rid of the "male crush" but keep all the leg crossing

>>149221741
The reason why so many animated movies have LE REALISTIC PANIC ATTACKS is because of the current adult generation working on animated movies growing up with poor coping mechanisms and emotional dysregulation from living sheltered and atomized lives. On top of that, urban culture has fallen too hard for memespeak bad therapy, SSRIs, and self-diagnosing as a cure-all for mental problems while our younger demographics of children are developing anxiety due to being raised as iPad babies.

it all feeds into everything else, pic related

>>149223080
>>>Gone were not only such direct examples of his passion for environmentalism and fashion, but also a scene in Elio’s bedroom with pictures suggesting a male crush.
Are they implying that boys can only be gay if they like fashion and care about environmentalism? Also they seem to think that gay kids (and adults) can't also be masculine, which is a load of tripola.

>>149223112
because they hired leftist political activists as business co sultants way back in the 2000s eho told them they bwtter hire lots of gays and women into their ranks because the upcoming youth generstions love leftism. now their army of gays threaten to talk out whenever rumors ablut not being gay bubble up.

>>149217560
how does turning red glorify pedophilia?

>>149223166
it's "not brainwashing" due to a failure at the skill of brainwashing.

>>149223220
I agree, but also Mike is silly in a fun way. He's a walking green eyeball voiced by one of the funniest people in showbusiness. He looks fun to be around. Kids want toys of him.

>>149223085
>>Several Pixar employees resigned
Imagine spending tens of thousands of dollars on a CalArts degree, busting your ass doing art to even get considered for the position, and getting lucky to an insane degree to end up in a job that so many people would kill to have, only to resign because of something trivial like this. I am not a bigot, but I don't know why these people are so shocked that there's pushback from higherups when they're making their movie very unmarketable.
I wouldn't throw away a career like this where you're still in a position to tell incredible stories that mean something to you, and do on such a wide scale. To quit over this just reeks of privilege and never having worked a real job in your life.

>>149221780
Are there any kid's shows from the last ~10 years that actual children watch, other than Bluey and Paw Patrol?

Are you guys mad at gay people or just this director? Because Disney has had gay staff years before they hired this guy

>>149223231
Entirely true. I think the primary audiences are unrealistic about the costs involved. I read yuri from time to time and there's plenty of kvetching about the lack of good media which isn't true, it's just that there's a loud subset of fans who are unwilling to engage with any media that isn't multisensorially engaging. If you're part of a niche you can't expect too many multimillion dollar media ventures for your niche and should throw support behind media like books or podcasts or whatever.

>>149223197
here's a hood term to look up
>the thin end of the wedge
yeah it's "more justifiable" and that's how they got it in. but he never "rose above" it. his whole character became about how hes traumatized. moving on from iron man its in every movie now. the onscreen panic attacks. the constant whining and moaning. no one, especially men, can be resilient anymore. no heros can be models for strength. everyone has to get the heeby jeebies because
>ooh wow golly the crazy scifi stuff would totes traumatize a REAL person. how come the e.pire strikes back didnt have a 30 minute long scene of luke crying about having to save the day?
its always the same story with them. you give them an inch they take a mile. we have to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

>>149223233
the boomer boss just has to say "no" and it goes away

>>149223260
All movies are inherently propaganda to an extent, considering how the modern blockbuster film has roots in Nazi Germany. A well directed and well written movie serves as successful "propaganda". Immersion is not broken and you buy into what is on screen as real or engage with what it is trying to impart onto the audience. The most successful movies will become part of the culture.

Elio and Turning Red are examples of bad propaganda because the poor script kills immersion and shatters audience engagement.

>>149223274
Personally not really mad at anyone but the director, I think he should have known better.

>>149223247
yes. youre starting to notice that they dont stand for gays at all and are just anti Masculinity.

>>149223307
Fair enough.

>>149223165
>Bad Guys doesn't have the same aesthetic which is important.
It's still beanmouth shit

>>149223274
it's their general staff who threaten walk outs whenever they consider not being maximally gay.
the straight staff didnt, as a grouo, threaten to walk out over putting gayness in. only this group acts as a collective.

>>149223231
To be honest almost none of their other personal movies are really big hits either. I wonder how much the art direction and "beanmouth" style is a factor as well with the all the beanmouth/calarts/grubhub talk hitting the mainstream.
>>149223220
What about UP? There's nothing particularly cool about an old man and Fat asian kid honestly.
>>149223274
Feels like a lot of genuine anger culminating from Disney's past shitty pandering passing on to the director kek.
>>149223337
Definitely

>>149223085
>it only failed because we didn't make everyone gay

>>149223327
the 70s, 80s, and 90s had lots of really good films which were nearly overt satanist prostheletizing. this genrstion are the ones who drank the koolaid. they dont realize how much of their shit is a trick and are true beleivers. to the point that their ability to tell stories and make art is undermined.

>>149217005
Ironic coming from a turning red fag. Idiot

>>149223359
aesthetic goes beyond beanmouth, the lighting and textures and color palette are different, the overall proportions are different and Pixar doesn't really do anthros.

>>149223365
UP had the cute talking dogs. I think it would have failed without the cute talking dog.

>>149223307
Yeah, the other reason why victimization and trauma being self-centered or the whole of the narrative is so common is because actual recovery from trauma is seen as "boring", or simply because the writers and artists lack imagination or any self-awareness.

NGE is like the earliest example of a creative making a sci-fi adventure series where he trauma dumped his struggles with depression and suicide onto the audience, but it fucking worked because it didn't stray away from the character drama or the action, and it had the balls to point the finger at Shinji (Anno) himself (can't get that kind of self-awareness anymore). Anno is an autistic faggot but for better or worse, he's a big weeb who knows his stuff (at least when he's not hiding from doing his fucking job)

>>149223365
>What about UP? There's nothing particularly cool about an old man and Fat asian kid honestly.
Up is a brilliant script and a creative concept done really well- possibly Pixar's peak along with Ratatouille and Toy Story 3. I don't think the people responsible for these movies work at Pixar anymore. Pixar also has a stupid rule that 50% of the dialogue of every movie has to be spoken by females- stupid shit like that forever hamstrings them creatively now.

>>149223407
>NGE is like the earliest example of a creative making a sci-fi adventure series where he trauma dumped his struggles with depression and suicide onto the audience, but it fucking worked because it didn't stray away from the character drama or the action, and it had the balls to point the finger at Shinji (Anno) himself (can't get that kind of self-awareness anymore). Anno is an autistic faggot but for better or worse, he's a big weeb who knows his stuff (at least when he's not hiding from doing his fucking job)
It had god tier waifus. If Elio had waifus, this board would love this movie and it probably would have made atleast 50$ million more opening weekend. Unfortunately, modern Pixar animators hate both cute girls and heterosexuality so that will never happen. I remember the director of Brave said she purposely made Merida ugly so she wouldn't be marketable- why stab your own success in the foot like that when making Merida more attractive would have made the movie make more money?

>>149223440
seems like the obvious thing would be to do more brother/sister duos or do father/daughter films or add in more female villainesses or silly mascots . . . I certainly haven't noticed.

>>149223467
Pixar's art style has always been anti-waifu. The closest they ever got was Mrs Incredible. The way they stylize humans is just too exaggerated. Likewise they have never made a hot male character.

>>149223476
I'm tired of father/daughter stuff, let's get mom and son movies already

>>149223487
Riley

>>149223406
Hmm maybe. I remember some of the ads focusing on the dogs and Russel a bit.
>>149223440
Don't get me wrong, I loved UP but on the surface level there's nothing superficially cool that would draw in kids besides the house and talking dogs. I just dont't think boring/goofy looking protagonists are simply the problem. I think the problem is that Pixar today is failing to make movies that appeal to both adults and children outside of established IPs and the brand itself is damaged. The name alone used to draw in crowds.

>>149223492
elio. the failed film we're discussing

>>149223543
Em actually that doesn't count because Elio's mom is now his aunt

>>149223467
You're retarded, 90% of western media has been obsessed with girls and lesbians for the past 20 years.

>>149223561
Name 1 hot waifu Pixar has made
>you can't

>>149223559
It's also not a movie about a son and his mom going on an adventure together. It's a movie about a boy who also has a mom (aunt)

>>149223561
The biggest Disney animated hit recently is Frozen, starting two hot waifus

>>149223574
Helen and Violet Incredible.

>>149223501
Really? Riley isn't ugly but she seems to lack waifu appeal to me even for little boys or boys in her age range.

>>149216866 (OP)
>$21 million domestically
>$35 million globally
Christ almighty, that's "Moonfall" levels of bad.

>>149223492
I don't think mom and son stories are as popular. They're just harder to pull off because boys don't want to be under their mom's thumb forever and I think even women think that's kind of lame. Father/daughter duos seem to hit well more often because I think people are less judgmental of daughters for needing their fathers and are less judgmental of fathers for being nosy or overprotective. Boys can self insert as the cool dad and maybe think the daughter character is cute, I don't think girls self insert as the mom characters or think mama's boys are attractive.

IME I have enjoyed stories that are focused on mother/son themes but these kinds of stories seem rarer, I think they're just harder to pull off.

>>149223085
>>Although the official budget is $150 million, internal employees claim the actual cost exceeded $200 million.
Do either of these include marketing costs?

This always felt like a 'direct-to-video' level film. Outside of Inside Out 2, the last 5 years have felt cheap and corporate. Pixar is quickly losing it's prestige status.

>>149223085
wow, this movie probably would have bombed harder than it already has.

>>149223712
No

>>149223712
It never does because it's not "production".

>>149223709
I guess Dune is a mother son story but normies who watch it think Paul and Jessica are lovers

>>149223712
It cost $300 million not including marketing they had to make 2 movies because Molina's version bombed so hard in testing.

>>149221538
why make him a faggot would benefit the movie in any way?

Compare Elio to Denji, Yuri Itadori, Gojo, Tanjiro, Naruto, Deku and Bakugo. It's embarrassing that Pixar thinks Elio will sell a movie to boys today.

>>149223868
>Yuri
*Yuji

>>149223828
I've noticed that most mother/son stories tend not be straightforward adventures and yeah, I didn't want to say it lol but I've noticed that people seem to more easily interpret the relationship through a romantic lens provided the male character is old enough. I have no explanation for why that might be as father/daughter duo stories don't seem to have that issue or at least not to that extent.

I wonder if unrelated 'mother figure' characters would work better if it meant audiences had more freedom to how they interpreted the relationship. Are mom/son themed stories just cursed?

>>149223868
Deku is . . . a choice. He's a crybaby, there's a reason he get's made fun of in ways the other characters in your list don't. But his circumstances allow for power fantasy despite his babyish personality.

>>149223085
>>Elio was originally portrayed as a member of the LGBT+ community
>>Several Pixar employees resigned after the film's LGBT+ storyline was removed

I am so fucking sick of LGBT push into everything.
the 41% can't become 100% soon enough, this comes from someone who faps to traps btw

Don't you like their new tactic of shaming you for not watching original movies. Like, how many times has shaming your audience ever made people go "Yeah, I guess I should support this movie because the studio insulted me to do so."

>How can we make a lead character that's appealing to boys?
>A brown kid that the average bully would immediately flag as "a fat little queer" oughta do it; that's the kind of protagonist that boys like

>>149223274
I don't give a fuck about gays in entertainment; this movie is just a turd. If you want to have a gay character then DO IT instead of including this chickenshit ambiguous bullshit for its own sake.

>>149223440
>Up is a brilliant script and a creative concept done really well- possibly Pixar's peak along with Ratatouille and Toy Story 3.
Up is carried HARD by the montage. Also I think you're nuts; I wouldn't put any of those in Pixar's top 5. And before you ask, in no particular order
>Incredibles
>Wall-E
>TS
>TS2
>Coco

>>149223476
>seems like the obvious thing would be to do more brother/sister duos or father/daughter films
Wow, are you saying that female protagonists need a MAN to rely on during their adventures? Are you from the 19th century?

>or add in more female villainesses
Women can't be evil, chuddy. At the absolute MOST you're getting "misunderstood" or "well-intentioned but lost her moral compass" and you will APPRECIATE it.

>or silly mascots
Women are JOKES to you? Yikes.

I jest, but less than you'd think - and yeah, you can replace "women" in this with any protected group you'd like. Can't have a villain in a wheelchair bitter about his disability, can't have a minority-coded sidekick, etc.

>>149223959
It's called outrage marketing. They teach it in first year marketing classes now, but it stopped being effective. Disney started doing it in their marketing for Captain Marvel to push back on dissent.

Pixar's current stuff makes mars needs moms look stellar in comparation

>>149223968
>Up is carried HARD by the montage. Also I think you're nuts; I wouldn't put any of those in Pixar's top 5. And before you ask, in no particular order
You're right about Up's montage, but Ratatouille is Pixar's best movie.

>>149223945
Deku is lame but kids like him, Todoroki and Bakugo and All Might. Deku cries but also delivers cool fights and Ws.

>>149223909
Mama's boys are lame but stories of sons going on adventures to save mom would work.

>>149223995
Deku's character only works because it's a series but otherwise I agree.

>>149224008
That's one of the only ways I think it could work.

>>149223945
I forgot Luffy and Zuko.

>>149223909
>Are mom/son themed stories just cursed?
I was having trouble coming up with any movies at all with that theme, but then I remembered Terminator 2. It's one of my favorite movies ever. Just because of that, I don't feel like movies with a mother/son theme are inherently cursed.

>>149219003
Someone who already had the banner made....

>>149224022
It's more like a found family movie with Arnold stepping in as the new daddy.

>>149224032
Just like the promo trailer for Wish saying how beloved the movie was they had prepared before the movie was released kek

>>149216961
>he says while posting gay anime crap

>>149223085
>At the test screening of his version, no one raised a hand when asked if it would be seen in theaters.
Eh?
They played it to an audience, then asked the audience if it would in theaters?
Or the audience asked, and they didn't want to say?

>>149223265
>I don't know why these people are so shocked that there's pushback from higherups when they're making their movie very unmarketable.
>pushback
>resigned
>pushback
Anon, the people in charge actually agree with these things, else they wouldn't have hired these people and wouldn't let this garbage fire have been made in the first place.
Just look at his character. He's still gay and the embodiment of many other delusional political zeitgeists.

I'm guessing they had to can the gay because you can't edit out the main character when asking Arabia and China to give you their money.

>>149223970
Outrage marketing doesn't work when audiences become apathetic or when the economy goes to shit.

>>149224022
I could only come up with
>Jojo Rabbit
>Room
>The Wild Robot
For videogames there is Hades.

It doesn't feel like a lot to me. Not cursed, just rare I guess.

>>149223085
>Several Pixar employees resigned after the film's LGBT+ storyline was removed
LOL and nothing of value was lost. If only Disney and Pixar would continue to self correct like this.

>>149223407
Evangelion and Elio were not written for the same audience.

>>149223909
Elio isn't meant to sell to boys or compete with shonen jump and look cool, it's a "family" movie with SoL and autobiographical elements meant to be Pixar's answer to ghibli(all of their newer movies really) for some reason. Their new movies also feel like they weirdly skew younger despite kids not being interested and I guess their parents either.

>>149217675
Dancing around anon's point, the audience relates more to Pixar girls than they do boys

>>149224151
Evangelion was made for heterosexual normies and designedto entertain them. Elio was made by wokes to push a gay agenda and brainwash kids.

>>149221538
Him being gay would have actually made it interesting enough to gain curiosity bucks

>>149219481
>>149217777
Crazy to me a good chunk of their pleading is that the movie is an "original story." Like, fucking bitch, is that the best you've got? "It's not a sequel or remake, go see it!" I'm not giving you $50+ and a night of my time if that's your angle.

>>149224158
Ghibli is the only anime studio CalArts and Pixar acknowledge, and it's weird. Ghibli really isn't that great, especially without Takahata.

>>149218710
Turning Red with environmentalism and a lesbo MC

>>149224174
>Evangelion was made for normies

lol. lmao.

>>149217777
>quads
Guilt tripping autists is Pixar's only hope.

>>149223868
They don't care about appealing to broad audiences and boys. They care about appealing to mentally ill pozzed faggots on bluesky.

>>149217191
>he says while still posting gay anime crap

>>149223954
Same. Im getting faggot fatigue.

>>149223407
>Anno is an autist
He's just like me, my favorite thing he ever did was Kare Kano.
It's even in my top 5 best cartoons along with Nadia.
I liked EVA but it was just too much at once. I think Rei's Japanese voice actress is based though.
Anno actually makes you feel shit, these western artists have no life experience and have to rely on being "relatable".

>>149224223
Why did Evangelion succeed while Elio failed?

>>149224192
I actually think it would've done better if it came out 2024 because beanmouth fatigue hadn't peaked just yet but that's not saying much honestly.
>>149224198
In a way yeah, I think its more indicative of people working at these places than anything. A lot of these recent Pixar movies do mention anime influences in addition to some western influences whether it be Ghibli/Aardman for Luca or something like Ranma for Turning Red. Being SoL movies with lower stakes, coming out right after the other and having a similar style is hurting these movies more honestly.

>>149224239
They care about broad audiences enough to keep characters acting "safe quirky" and "save evil"
They care enough to cut out genuine drama and points of tension
They care enough to cut out anything about a character that could offend someone
Stop trying to use normal words as code for "they MUST support the right-wing one-world Palantir government"

>>149223407
>>149224275
>>149224279
>>149224151
>>149224174
>>149224223

Take it to /a/

>>149224286
???
I think you broke yourself, anon.

>>149216900
>Its not about the money..... its about wasting hundreds of millions of dollars to send a message!

>>149224291
Anon every Hollywood film stole from anime, and Elio is no exception to this.

>>149224279
Because EVA had actual animation and story. Elio had generic beanmouth and a story that's been told a million times.

>>149224307
They still value broad appeal, the writers don't

>>149224314
>every Hollywood film stole from anime
>every
Lol

>>149224341
Comparing apples to oranges here and it's not just simply because east vs west.

>>149223970
Huh. I remember when someone at Marvel Comics was years ago talking about how controversy creates publicity for a comic and ends up increasing their sales. But I didn't know there's an actual word for it. Or that marketing classes are teaching it today.

It can work well enough as a short-term thing, but I'm not sure it's a great idea as a long-term strategy. Being angry or upset is no fun. If all the media is constantly trying to trigger an outrage, it's better on one's sanity to stop consuming it and spend time with something else. Or at least that's where I'm at. Whenever I spot hints that a specific series or movie is trying to obtain popularity by pissing off its own core audience, I take it as a litmus test that the work sucks. I won't even watch its trailer.

>>149224353
The Matrix stole from Ghost and The Shell, and Inception was taken from Paprika.
It's crazy because the directors of both said they were heavily inspired by what they stole from.

>>149224381
More like comparing a perfect juicy apple (EVA) to a rotten decomposed orange (Elio).

>>149224279
Elio will almost certainly make more money than all four of the Rebuild films put together. It's already made more money than End of Evangelion

>>149224410
Don't forget DVD sales anon.
EVA made a shit ton on those.

>>149224388
The Matrix was probably the first Hollywood film to be meaningfully influenced by anime in any way

>>149224418
By appealing to otakus, about the least normie demographic imaginable

>>149224403
Yeah Elio sucks but the two aren't comparable because they target different audiences, at least compare it to Ghibli or some other family movie oriented studio.

>>149218964
>Impressive. Very nice.
>Now let's see the user reviews.

>>149224433
Yep!
Where the fuck were the woke weirdos who told me this would be one of Disney's biggest film? You guys didn't show up for shit.

>>149216866 (OP)
I dont get why they made him indian. UP would have bombed if Carl was Mexican.

>>149224482
He's at least hispanic since Molina was the director.
>UP would have bombed if Carl was Mexican.
Maybe but Coco did fine and Russel was asian.

>weirdo kid makes friends with aliens, has to represent humanity/Earth to the wider alien community and goes on space adventures
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU BOTCH IT WITH THAT CONCEPT. FUCKING HOW. IT'S THE EASIEST CONCEPT TO MAKE INTO A FUN MOVIE. HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP. HOW.

It's time to apologize to Pixar's most underrated film.

>>149223065
>>149223080
>>149223085
>>149216866 (OP)
>hire a literal faggot to direct film
>film completely flops
When will companies learn that hiring or pandering to homos or trannies is always a bad idea?

>>149224597
Nuh uh

>>149224597
I liked it

>>149224601
Good will built from previously working at Pixar since the 2000s and co-directed/wrote for Coco.

>>149223085
Good lord man! Oh, the days when "The Black Cauldron" was considered the biggest and longest disaster in film animation is so quaint by today's standards.

>>149221538
I enjoy when liberal faggots make movies that are financial disasters. I hope the people who made this movie end up living in a cardboard box on the sidewalk.

>>149217777
>neurodivergent

>>149223268
Ones they're still making from before that, like Spongebob, Arthur, Wild Kratts

>>149223065
>>149223080
Faggots BTFO

>>149224601
There is no gay agenda you conspiracy theorist chud! Gays are not trying to groom children, just stahp!

>>149224654
They spent years trying to cancel and force this shit down everyone's throats. They deserve it all, fuck empathy.

>>149221538
Was a simple "boy goes to space and meets aliens" that hard of a fucking task? Just make him a kid that seeks adventure, but upon learning about stuff in like history class, he has a dream to to be the first human to do something no other human has done before. Insert some cautious but loving parents, then the aliens come in.

>>149224654
they deserve it 100 percent

>>149224654
Fuck them all.

>>149220799
>le 200 million dollars face

>>149224718
They wrote articles for years trying to guilt and shame us in to liking it too XD wokie fags, hold this L forever

>>149224758
I've seen DeviantArt autists who drew better than this.

>>149217005
huge yikes senpai, you are very lost

>>149224723
They even fucked up buzz lightyear by trying to preach stupid political messages instead of just making a cool buzz lightyear of star command space adventure. It literally makes no sense, they prioritize making propaganda for kids ahead of making entertaining movies that make lots of money.

>>149221538
That's bullshit but I believe it.

>>149224792
Least Lightyear has Star Command to fall back on, even if Disney/Pixar as a whole don't want to acknowledge it. Dumb kiss controversy aside, no marketing exec will even convince me THAT was the movie that made Andy a Buzz fan.

How do you go from being known as the executive who ruined Twin Peaks, to being put in charge of one of the biggest companies in the world and some of the biggest IPs in the world, and then ruin them all?

>>149222315
Sergei Eisenstein declared that Snow White was the greatest film of all time. Animation is the purest form of cinema, no matter what anyone says on the contrary - it represents the ultimate expression of control and mastery. Although Disney was not a communist, thankfully.

>>149224838
They still have the cool buzz lightyear of star command ride in Disneyland but pretend the show doesn't exist on Disney +. Pixar fucking up the buzz lightyear movie so bad was the death knell of the studio. Don't forget they turned bo peep in to a martial artist ninja girlboss in toy story 4.

>>149224758
>Brown steven universe
doomed to fail

>>149224773
>>149224887
Don't forget that's the director's artwork, and not just some part-timer that was at artschool for 1 day

>>149223274
It's a combination of things, I don't mind a gay character/director/ or whatever, just don't let that shit overshadow your production unless it's a fucking love story about two guys/girls/thems. Why can't Pixar make stuff like Toy Story 1, Monsters and even fucking Cars again? Same with Disney, why can't the Renaissance be captured again? It's just stuff that's been bubbling for years at this point.

>>149224914
See >>149222816 I don't know if that's more embarrassing though

>>149224021
What makes Luffy great is that he bumbled fucked his way into a destined war he really doesn't give a shit about, and now got toon force power because of it.

>>149223112
It's a step in the long game to legitimize pedophilia.

>>149224921
>>149224921
I forgot the wokes fucked up Cars 3 by having Lightning McQueen cyck out and lose to his female girlboss younger trainer, an electric car who was faster and better than him in every way, who wins the race in the finale while Lightning watches from the sidelines.

>>149224955
I can't even argue against this at this point

>>149224654
>Try and make Steven Universe for Boys.
>Get thrown out of your big gay trauma dump movie.
>Watching it burn in front of you.

I remember when they released pic related to promote the movie. I thought it looked weird how the kid was sitting like that in an empty photo studio. That imagery made me think of metrosexual male models and casting couches instead of space adventures.
I didn't know at the time that the movie had a gay director. Now that I know, and with these rumors >>149223085
it's just even more awkward.
If those rumors are true, I can see why they made the changes. In the current zeitgeist, a gay guy making a movie about a gay boy would trigger allegations about grooming. Since Disney and Pixar try to maintain a family-friendly brand, a controversy like that would hurt their ticket sales.

I guess it didn't help in the end, though. I wonder how much of the movie's failure is because people have grown wary of identity politics themes in Disney movies and expected this movie to feature that stuff, and how much of it was other reasons such as marketing etc.

>>149218964
Shut up, faggot.

Is safe to say Hollywood is done puttng homosexual shit in animated movies. Now if only the same rule could apply to your regular TV cartoons.

>>149224994
You think I'm joking. You think I'm memeing. You think I'm being a schizo. But it's true, it's not a matter of conjecture or opinion. They're very open about it. They brag about it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YW6p6z7yYlY

>>149225015
For me it's because it looks gay as fuck, and I hate that Grubhub art.

>>149225052
When gay marriage is made illegal again, I wonder if these guys (the ones who haven't died of AIDS or drug overdoses by then) will think to themselves "maybe we shouldn't have sang that song."

>>149225052
I don't think you're joking, I even remember how several members of that chorus are convicted sex offenders.

>>149224987
Now to be fair on 3, the whole story was that Lightning was getting up there in years, and that new faces like Jackson Storm were making a splash, just like he did before the events of the first movie. Hell, even some of Lightning's fellow racers around his age start throwing in the towel to retire. Lightning tries to push past his limit, and then the crash happens. It was about Lightning recognizing his limit, and taking up the role Doc had for him during the first movie.

>>149225052
>>149225076
The jannies here get mad and ban people every time that video gets posted.

Not gonna lie, I find the media's gay children obsession immensely creepy. You can't tell me there isn't something inherently pedophilic about it.

>>149225015
How did the kid lose his eye?

>>149225076
>When gay marriage is made illegal again
That's not enough. Faggots should be executed upon discovery. We've all seen what happens the second they believe they're in a secure position, the exact instant they gain any sort of advantage.

>>149225115
Fucking let them. Cat's out of the bag, they can't put it back in.

>>149225112
Wreck ot Ralph 2 was also about Ralph stepping aside when he realized he was holding Penelope back.

>>149224275
>He's just like me, my favorite thing he ever did was Kare Kano.
Funny that, according to interview he had an absolutely miserable time with it. In fact it made him quit animation altogether.

>>149225116
What no one wants to talk about but everyone knows, is that homosexuality and pedophilia are very deeply linked. It is absurdly common for gay men to have had sexual experience when they were young. In the gay community, it's considered normal for older gay men to introduce younger men (the word they use is boys) into the lifestyle. Grooming is literally a major part of homosexuality, and they all know it, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

>>149225051
I wonder what the original draft was like because Riley in the finished movie came across as pretty fucking dyke gay to me for that latinX dyke hockey girl.

>>149225137
>His worst project is his best.
Crazy.

>>149225015
>Elio was, in fact, gonna be a gay boy scout.

>>149225137
Anno is so based. My hero.

>>149225051
They are not done being Leftist. So that means they will continue doing race swaps for white characters turning them Non Whites, continue spamming shitty feminism with Mary Sues like the annoying Fox bitch from the movie Bad Guys,and don't forget lots of diversity multiculturalism.

This shit fest is far from over. It shall continue until the United States actually collapses. For all this shit to go away we do need to see all the above be actively hated and rejected.

>>149225125
Now that one was just dumb in how it's story played out, Ralph becoming this weird obsessive and Vanellope just abandoning the people of her game in some wonky way of going turbo when their game gets busted. Also, all the blatant Disney jerking off and dated internet bullshit.

>>149225145
Born this way is a lie. The only way new gays get born is when little boys get bad touched. If these people just left the kids alone, way less of the global population would have a problem with them.

>>149225203
but i grew up realizing i was gay and no one touched me...

>>149225192
We need an anti-gay Hitler, that's literally our only hope.

>>149225203
Nailed it. Now you know why faggots and trannies are so single-mindedly insistent and obsessive on getting jobs with access to children, especially away from the parents.

>>149225211
Do you have a domineering mother? Did your teachers tell you to be gay? Sticking your dick in the place shit comes out of is incredibly disgusting.

>>149225231
Or in media where they can influence children.

>>149225116
And they only do this hideous shit with boys. Never to girls because society is anti male. Girls and old hags are society's Sacred Cow. This is why we keep getting article like Feminism Hurts Only Women or Some Tragedy Women Most Affected. I fucking hate humanity because of this shit. I sincerely hope that there is a Hell so that all of humanity goes there to be tormented. The woman worship is what inspired misanthropy. And I hope this Earth is destroyed so that humans cease to exist.

>>149225211
Was your father absent?

>>149225052
>You think I'm being a schizo
Sadly time showed me that today's schizo theory is tomorrows reality.

also, if I remember correctly a lot of dudes there are sex offenders.

>>149225254
Yeah, because tv and film isn't totally full of dykes more than anything else, lol.

>>149225223
Our only hope is to actually KILL every bastard Jew since Jews are the ones who did this to the United States. Jews need to be killed into extinction. And as far as rescuing white nations start destroying multiculturalism and women's rights. And if women start resisting start beating them into submission. SImply brutalize them until they submit and make it painful to resist so that younger women realize the gravy train is over. The only place women belong for the sake of human sanity is under the boot of a man.

>>149225146
Riley came off really autistic and too occ compared to the first honestly, like in a direct to homevideo sequel kinda way but also like the people working on the movie besides the directors made it come off that way. It doesn't help that the "cool" girl feels out touch the same way the cool chick in Wir2 did.
>>149225125
Jen Lee's influence

>>149225052
>>149225254
How did they not realize how demonic this comes across to normal people?

>>149225297
I am pretty sure it was the intent.

>>149225285
When it comes to evil shit like molestation the rule these shit heads always go with is that it's okay for boys to get molested. Never girls.

When it comes to gay shit their rules dictate that dykes are good because they are the Safe Gay to get away with their Leftist agenda and because they know women won't care and stupid men think dykes are hot blind to the fact that the point of dykes is they reject men for existing. You have to understand the context these bastards use to keep sprinkling their agenda.

/pol/ has entered the thread

>>149225052
>stop forcing your religion down our throats, let's live and let live
>yes we're forcing our lifestyle on your kids and you're a bad person for objecting to it

>>149225350
You don't want people to get political, don't put blatant faggot shit in children's entertainment. Now fuck off and join the 41%.

>>149225353
And we'll mock you by having convicted pedophiles in our chorus sing musical showtunes about grooming your children to you. If you object, it's a hate crime and we will destroy your life for it.

>>149225350
They were always here, you only noticed because they became semi-coherent

>>149225150
>Elio was, in fact, gonna be a gay boy scout.
Hey, is this a bad time to mention incidents of sexual abuse in the Boy Scouts had a sharp uptick shortly after they started admitting gay scoutmasters?

>>149225434
To the surprise of no one.

>>149225150
It was military school/summer camp
>>149225350
can't even talk about why the movie sucks anymore

As far as I'm concerned, all Disney shit is gay.

All modern companies are the Ship of Theseus. It's nuts to suggest that these people would get anywhere without it simply being handed to them.

YES KIDS
ITS OK TO BE GAY
AND IF AN ADULT APPROACHES YOU WANTING TO PROBE YOU
YOU BETTER LET HIM!

>>149216961
>posts rule breaking anime
Opinion discarded

>>149217005
This. Birchfag constantly samefagging responses is gold

>>149224850
He also ruined ESPN and made it shit. Everything he did, he made it into shit.

>>149217777
>relate to him at times
>at times

>>149222543
Well when you have set up a literal gatekeeping institution(CalArts) where only a limited pool of people can get in(its mostly people with money to burn) you are going to have very similar people with VERY similar ideas around you.
I look back on most of the big name creators and while they all eventually CAME to California, they werent FROM California. California was the place you would go to to try and make it with whatever crazy ideas you had, therefore making California its own melting pot. But over the years so many fucking gatekeepers sprung up and rising costs of this state have made it so only the most elitist of elites can bypass all that shit, and if you happened to be a poor person with the burning passion who somehow got in have fun trying to be the next big director and pitching your idea with all that debt :)
This is coming from a Commiefornian btw, fucking hate these faggots. Stephen Silver coming out a while back saying the union fucked us over and any young prospective animator is just basically fucked from getting in kind of said it all for me. Have fun dealing the same couple of names over and over again.

>>149224291
Retarded faggot

>>149225744

>>149225840
Yes you are.

>>149224718
>They spent years trying to cancel and force this shit down everyone's throats.
Just like you spent years forcing the crap anime you post down everyone’s throats.

>>149223082
>WHO THE FUCK WAS THIS MOVIE MADE FOR?
Much like most things, it was made for themselves. These people can't help themselves. They get told a specific task or job and they still want to force it to be about them.

As a gay man, nothing is worse than "queer-baiting"

>Luca was queer!
no, nothing was gay about Luca

If you want to make a movie about a little gay boy, just do it. make them actually be gay, address it, have it be an actual issue. DO NOT have it just mentioned at the end of the movie, DO NOT have it be just OK with everyone instantly, DO NOT have "being gay" be their whole personality.

Is this movie actually gay, gaybaiting, or just about two boys being friends which isn't generally allowed in media anymore?

>>149225929
?
That doesn't even make sense anon, it's mainstream.

>>149223085
the kid feeling "wrong" and not fitting in because he's gay and that caused a problem would be interesting. And Disney is allergic to interesting at this point

>Disney traded priests in robes with fags in dresses
I'll give it to the priests, at least they didn't have parades flashing children or fisting each other's assholes.

>>149225994
The son in Strange World (remember that wet fart?) was gay,

>>149226041
And nobody remembers that film.

>>149216866 (OP)
All they had to do was make him a little hot instead of a hideous eggplant thing. So easy.

>>149223268
Even Paw Patrol is more than 10 years old now. And the dirty little secret of Bluey is that kids actually find it boring and rarely choose it.
Spidey and his Amazing Friends has done fairly well in the demo but arguably isn't "new".

Why do Millenials and Californians insists the average person wants to see gay guys (and specifically gay kids) in their movies? They live in a fucking bubble.

>>149225146
It's pretty simple. The current form is plausibly deniable for the Chinese. The original wasn't.
What they're leaving out from the Lightyear thing is that they thought it failed because of the gay kiss ... because that meant China banned it.
And now of course the prevailing opinion in China is they don't need the West for animation any more

>>149226363
>Millenials and Californians
It's crusty old jews.

>>149216866 (OP)
This failure is out of this world

>>149216866 (OP)
If he was a cute shota maybe I would have watched

>>149216866 (OP)
I literally saw 0 ads for this movie

>>149225238
>domineering mother

By that line of reasoning, at least a third of the entire male population across the world since the Paleolithic must have been insatiable cocksuckers. Hell, Latin America on its own should be Queerland.

>>149226556
>Latin America on its own should be Queerland.
Have I got news for you

>>149226556
>Hell, Latin America on its own should be Queerland.
Nobody tell him.

>>149226334
blueys dirty little secret. and people said kids went wild for it

>>149224950
>toon force powers
So he's more /co/ than elio?

>>149226041
Not only is that actually the worst movie Pixar ever made, him being gay is such a non issue what's the point? And the gay guy he has a crush on is offensively super gay.

>>149216866 (OP)
I'm not against seeing CG kids movies but I refuse to watch movies that focus on actual child characters. Sorry.

A movie about a rat who cooks? A superhero family? A cute little robot? Toys? Sure. Children dealing with child problems? Nope.

>>149226697
Strange World isn't Pixar ya noob

>>149226734
In that case, Onwards remains the worst Pixar film

Strange World was still utter dogshit

>>149226715
I would recommend Ron's gone Wrong and Luca

>>149226670
Hilariously yes
>cause peoples eyes to pop out in surprise
>face and body warps around hits
>warps the space around him to become rubber (i.e. turning a cold, hard metal tubed rail line to act like a spring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jidMn2TMEys)
>uprooted an entire tree, gnawed on it till it became a baseball bat, painted it (where he got the paint? fuck if I know) and proceeded to bat back cannonballs
Every fight with this goofy ass form has been a treat.

>>149216974
>homosexuality in children's media
None of which was in Elio. This thing failed entirely on its own merits.

>>149225015
No kid would like to see this. Only Californian pedophiles

>>149216900
They marketed the fucked out of the movie though? There were commercials everywhere in the months leading up to it. How can you say they didn't advertise it when that's all they were doing?

>>149227208
I swear to god people enjoying this shit from one piece is the biggest case of mass stockholm syndrome ever registered on human history.

Is so fucking lame, it plays just like a popey episode. And the audio design makes no fucking sense, even for toon standards, they are just trowing around a bunch of toon sound effects that barely translate to what is going on. It heavily reminds me of cool world by how insane and nonsensical it gets at time.

In 10 years people will realize how retarded this is and make fun of it.

>>149227724
They'll never look back and realize. The manga has been going down hill since Skypiea and it fell even harder after the time skip. If they can keep swallowing this shit after all that then there's nothing that will convince them otherwise.

>>149227710
Because the marketing quality was shit in spite of its quantity. I didn't follow the production so my first exposure was a trailer but I didn't know what the film was actually about until I read it here. I knew Disney was releasing a film called Elio, I knew aliens were involved, but that was it.

>>149216866 (OP)
Eyepatches do not work that way. Good night.

>>149227724
I think that fight was fine in the manga, but they really fucking botched it in the anime. The sound effects just randomly playing with no rhyme or reason pissed me off. Plus all of those hyper flashy, spastic fights have really made the anime super annoying now.

>>149217397
This. I watch cartoons to see animated romance and "hero saves the day and gets the girl" and happily ever afters with marriage and kids. I don't care to see anything else enforced outside of good triumphing over evil in a hard, decisive way. Nothing effeminate like literally hugging your antagonist to being a good guy.

>>149222633
>You have to include crystals if you want girls to like your sci fi.
I hate how true this statement is.

>>149222815
>Talking about their lives and their experiences, how they feel about X or Y, what happened to them, who they're in love with or who they find gross, what they like to buy or where they like to go, etc.
I frowned deeply just reading this.

>>149225015
These "photos" feel like they were taken while he's waiting for his catholic priest. They have have an incredibly weird pedo aura.

>>149223179
This, basically. I don't want to see a "cutesy" dramatization about someone's struggle with homosexuality and lust of the eyes.

>>149223476
female villain kidnaps/seduces/corrupts dad and daughter has to rescue him

>>149223255
They establish that the panda form is a metaphor for bodily autonomy with "My panda, my choice". And then she whores out the panda form for money.

>>149224192
it didnt work for the strange world kid

>>149224222
Why do you assume she's lesbo? Some girls are just really into beaver.

>>149222975
>good
I doubt it. But if true, that makes it worse. Because shitty divorce propaganda is better than same but good.

>>149216866 (OP)
>Elio is a massive faggot

Apparently that was scrapped. Go un-woke go broke.

>>149229240
Show us your hard drive Molina.

>>149229240
>Brought you by the people who think current elio is masculine in any way shape or form

>>149222187
The leaked artbook had them cutting the gayest looking pics with no reason given.

>>149222633
It's more so that women like the organic and dislike the mechanical. To appeal to women you have to limit armor, robots, and sci-fi tech.

The original Elio sounded like a vanity project by a faggot director who became blind to the realities of social norms and values outside of himself and the idyllic multicultural genderspazzed San Francisco realm he prances around in.
Truth is, these are huge and grotesquely expensive endeavours, and creating ridiculously niche faggot propaganda isn't going to have wide-market appeal.
This defanged and defaggoted Elio on the other hand, has a different issue wherein this is absolutely zero hook. Nothing conceptually that immediately compels people, upon seeing the poster, or the advert, or the McDonalds Toys. All it suggests is another gay purply vaguely sci-fi experience like Light Year, and Strange World, and whatever, that they're all now trained to avoid.
Even Turning Red, which featured the same Tumblry burger-king-kids-club diversity managed to easily sell the puberty metaphor aspect to girls.
Elio is just a colossal fuck-up in market awareness and budgeting from the get-go.
You can tell this had to have been greenlit in the rarefied post-Obama progressive tide of noncery that proliferated in the late 2010's, when those mega gaylords thought they were absolutely unstoppable

>>149227724
>>149227931
Oh I still like the fights on paper, but you guys do have a point on the audio, I feel that the random effects hurt the first fight against Kaido, I really hope Toei can find a balance for it.

>>149227208
Well I guess he's fucking honorary /co/

>>149230138
They think they are changing the world, and everyone in the Hollywood Burbank echo chamber they live in encourages them to keep going and kisses their ass. That is how this keeps happening.

>>149230923
Also if anyone in the echo chamber voices any slight concern or critique, it immediately gets shut down as homophobia or some other bigotry, so people like Molina never experience any pushback. Lasseter used to give harsh but truthful critiques, that's why they politicked together to drive him out.

>>149223085
>At the test screening of his version, no one raised a hand when asked if it would be seen in theaters.
I would've just cancelled it lmao

>>149230923
Ah but they ARE changing the world indeed. They are destroying foreign media which acts as an alternative to western shit.

Now you understand why Attack on Titan had a fart ending. Now you understand why Hero Academia is shit. These rich Jewish bastards understand that they can't compete so they use their status and influence to ruin the alternative. Why do you the Mario Bros movie had an obnoxious Princess Peach who is a super competent bitch? Why do you think Peach in the official Mario Odyssey game rejected Mario after decades of him rescuing her (and don't say its in the OVA this is the first time the main platformer games did this shit). It's all about damaging the competition.

It's all going according to plan. If you won't buy the domestic shit then they will ruin foreign entertainment to exhaust you and demoralize you. And what's that? You will rely on ai to make your own entertainment, that's not going to happen. The point is to leave you with either trash entertainment or nothing.

We might be going through Disney's version of a Great Depression
And that is good. Fuck the mouse (not literally)

>>149231023
>Now you understand why Attack on Titan had a fart ending. Now you understand why Hero Academia is shit.
Or maybe the authors are just bad writers.

>>149228535
Strange World is immensely, immensely ugly. The art design leaves a lot to be desired. Trust me no one wants to be nor be with that gay kid. And that is a trashfire combination if you're interesting in selling a story based around a romance.

>>149231110
They belong to a nation that the United States humiliated in the last World War as such the US influences their culture so that's why their media became trash it simply took a while to see the side effects.

>>149231110
They're clearly good writers, other wise the stories they wrote wouldn't have become global hits that lasted a decade.

>>149231225
Why did he have to be fat, ugly AND gay? Just pick one ffs.

>>149231023
>The point is to leave you with either trash entertainment or nothing.
Each day I feel better and better about turning to the Bible and God as the alternative.

>>149231288
I dislike his eyes and how close they are together. I dislike his fat round face. This design comes across as either be a mid guy who needs to drop weight or an unattractive woman who needs a wardrobe update.

>>149224444
>at least compare it something WAAAAY better!
No. Elio doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath or sentence as its superiors.

>>149225015
Someone made the post that Elio looks like it was made by someone who was sexually molested as a child and liked it. Whenever I see any of these three ridiculously homosexual pieces I laugh and shake my head. Like, what man would write this off as
>Yeah, I could see my son liking this! In fact, I would WANT my son to watch a movie with a little boy who sits like that, gets beat up, acts all effeminate whose best friend Glordon is some kind of ugly abomination that could NEVER be marketable or cool to small children.

>>149231225
>>149231288
If only they had gone with something closer to Scott Watanabe's concepts.

>>149216866 (OP)
>>149221538
>>149223085
>>149225015
Elio looks bland and ugly. I feel like I was losing my mind when the comments were praising the Elio teaser. It's not even stylized in an interesting way.

>>149231225
>Strange World is immensely, immensely ugly.
and ELio isn't?

>>149225203
Being "born gay" implies the inherent belief that God, a perfect being, makes mistakes. It's farcical. And it would be funny if it wasn't claiming and condemning souls to hell every single day. To eternal separation. Because these people believed a lie and took offense when everyone around them was telling them to take the blinders off. And come on, this is a movie coming from Hollywood. Centered in Los Angeles, the city of Angels. But they mention exactly which angels they're referring to. It's obvious by the fruit the state produces. Hollywood and San Francisco are its major exports to the rest of the globe at this point next to mass immigration.

>>149225994
>no, nothing was gay about Luca
Boys don't wear shorts that short. That was the first and only sign I needed. The boys are showing more skin than the lone woman. And there is no romantic interest. I'm not the target audience but I wouldn't want my children to watch something like this. The dudes look fruity and there isn't any interest in girls which is the BIGGEST red flag.

>If you want to make a movie about a little gay boy, just do it.
They do. But it's child abuse and you can only view that content through the darkweb.

>>149231659
There is no god and you're more of a faggot than the gays

What even is the plot of this film? I think he gets abducted by aliens and then.....?

>>149231847
He gets his boipussy probed to see if Earth boys are good cocksleeves for rich aliens.

>>149231721
You're an even bigger faggot if you see gay shit even where there is none.

>>149231721
He's literally a fishboy wearing booty shorts who rides bitch seat on his friend's vespa.

>>149231441
And then it gets filtered through Disny's awful style

>>149232379
Resulting in what we got. What a damn shame. Seriously, who thought the big tomato noses were a good idea?

>>149227349
i refer you back to my metaphor about mopping up shit.
the gayness isnt in the explicit, like him having a gay crush, it's the implicit like him prancing around like a faggot and talking like a faggot and emitting fag rays.
>failed on its own merits
it's merits were gayness. it cannot be escapes from. they tried to pick off the gay onions from the pizza but the juice soaked into the cheese. we can all taste it. desperate whimpers like "we took it out" fall on deaf ears.

>>149227955
nah dude youre gonna look awesome!

>>149228028
this
we can smell it
we can taste it
saying its not there or it got taken out is not sufficient to override our own senses.

>>149231225
>noooo its not the gay its just ugly
>noooo its not the gay the story is boring
>noooo its not the gay its the marketing
the reason why the gay is a problem is because it causes all these other problems. kinda like how HIV causes AIDS which causes other illnesses thay cause death.

>>149231847
the ENTIRE MOVIE is a set up for a vore fetish scene

>>149228028
>catholic priest
Nobody tell this guy about molestations committed by rabbis or imams. Or public school staff.

>>149231441
It would work if the MC wasn't a fag. He looks cool apart from the pink hoodie and short shorts

>>149231433
Reddit dad's fucking love this movie, tells you everything you need to know.

>>149227349
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/elio-pixar-america-ferrera-director-queer-2-1236301860/

The movie was going to be about a confused gay boy struggling with his identity and people in-house started to tone it down upon rewrites when it tested poorly with audiences. They figured the reason was about all the backlash Disney has been getting with woke stuff, so they made these changes before Disney had a chance to tell them to.

>>149231721
Luca would clearly look better in 2d

>>149223233
I can't believe putting addiction machines in people's pockets, lining their food and water with poison, and drugging kids if they dare to be hyperactive is ruining multiple generations of people. It sounded so good on paper.

>>149232667
Not like his boyfriend had all that much presence in the plot anyway.

>>149217368
Because rightoids are such great artists

>>149232666
lol i was going to point this out too but thought it wasnt worth it. nice numbers. good for you.

>>149232734
yeah its like if they had a flamboyantly gay character jumling around going "im gay im gay"
it tests bad so they "tone it down"
he still prances around flamboyantly but they just bleep out the word gay. this is the work of sociopaths just trying to sneak their shit in better.

>>149233034
yeah the entire founding disney team

>>149233034
Yes, all good art is made by rightchads, and all shitty subversive IP-destroying knockoffs are made by leftytroons.

>>149223868
every single one of those characters was made with fujos in mind except for denji

>>149233103
>>149233123
Where are those chad artists now?
Nowhere, cause creativity needs liberal worldview

>>149233193
Then why is Hollywood so shit at it?

>>149223561
Ugly girls and ugly lesbians

>>149233193
That doesn't sound very creative.

>>149223476
>more brother/sister duos or do father/daughter films
You fags would just constantly incest ship them so I don't think you deserve it anyway.

>>149216900
Isn't the art style intrinsic to the quaslity?

>>149218519
The dubs have spoken, and they are shitting all over the movie.

>>149223274
Do you think I keep track of people's gayness before watching a movie? I'm absolutely sure the anime I watch is chock full of homo creators.

I chose to not watch this movie because it looked gay as fuck and not for me though. Same as I skip some yaoi shit.

>>149233330
>Of course you can't do that, think about what the internet might do
This is why modern American media is so shit.

>>149223365
>What about UP? There's nothing particularly cool about an old man and Fat asian kid honestly.
Absolutely correct. A flying house with loads of fucking balloons on an adventure though?

I was sold on that concept, almost no matter who was in the house.

Pic related.

>>149226670
I'd say so. His designs,and poses are rubber band style 1930s throwbacks, same way Spinel works.

>>149223365
Nobody likes up after the first 10 minutes

>>149231023
>It's le jewz
>>>/pol/

>>149223365
>>149233472
Up sucked ass though. Ellie was the one good thing about it and she kicks the bucket 5 minutes in.

>>149216866 (OP)
What kind of name is Elio anyway?

Why would you even make that name the title of your film?

>>149223268
Boys either watch anime, YouTube or play video games. Girls watch TikTok and YouTube. YouTube also has those 24/7 cartoon compilations so there's no need for broadcast TV at all.

>>149233166
Yeh but they appeal to boys too. In other words, they have mass appeal.

>>149223968
>If you want to have a gay character then DO IT instead of including this chickenshit ambiguous bullshit for its own sake.
Too many countries won't accept it, and that's money lost.
>>149233166
>every single one of those characters was made with fujos in mind except for denji
And they have cool powers and get into cool fights with lots of blood and guts. Boys love it.

>>149217005
>turning red was good

>>149234473
Boys watch Demon Slayer, AtLA, Dragonball, My hero Academia, JJK, amazing digital circus, skibbidy toilet and twitch and YouTube let's plays

>>149231288
I totally forgot this even released lol
Is it even from Pixar?

>>149233096
>this is the work of sociopaths just trying to sneak their shit in better.
And it won't work because they overplayed their hand for over a decade and now nobody will accept even a bit of it.

>>149234515
Gojo in JJK is gay as fuck, he just doesn't beat you over the head and has other aspects to his personality besides being in a gay relationship with Geto. He's beloved internationally. If Pixar wants to make movies starring gays so badly, they have to learn the lesson of Gojo.

>>149234530
I guess technically it's Disney

>>149234525
>My hero Academia
God I hope this won't turn those boys into dorks. Hope the culture change will lead them to knowing Deku's a faggot.

>>149223019
Wasn't that the case for that one episode of Molly McGee where Molly has trouble embracing her inner Thai blood because she couldn't eat spicy Thai food or learn the language like her grandmother and possibly Sharon

>>149234556
>they have to learn the lesson of Gojo.
You just gotta make them either funny, cool or both. Lead with the character, not their sexuality.

>>149223085
>Several Pixar employees resigned after the film's LGBT+ storyline was removed, as they were disappointed by the lack of representation.
How many? Perhaps, 41%?

>>149217005
You sound like a fag.

>>149232734
This makes no sense. The story is about a boy who is abducted by aliens and is pretending to be Earth's leader. How does removing his "queerness" make the story worse? How uninteresting was the space adventure to begin with if Elio being gay was the lynchpin of the movie, and even that was fucking awful because it bombed with test audiences.

I think this is a peak into why Pixar sucks now. This should be a general story about being the odd kid out who now has to represent an entire planet of people he doesn't understand and who doesn't understand him. This idea should be relatable to many people across different spectrums of life. Gay? Sure. Anti-social? Yeah. Weird interests? Absolutely. Disabled? Why not. Abnormal hobbies? You betcha. You should be able to plug-in-play any variant of Elio into this story and the message still works.

But if you are HINGING him on being discovering his queer identity in your fucking kids space adventure to the point that removing it "ruins" the story, then it wasn't a story worth telling. It was just a vanity project from the get-go. Now, if this was a high school coming-of-age story about love, then yeah, that would make more sense.

>>149234929
It's fine for girls to be lesbian instead of boys to be gay in western cartoons. Gotta have the playing it safe gay dads.

>>149234488
>>149234515
thats true for denji, yuji and gojo. apart fromt them, everyone else is fujobait and any "boy" who likes them would grow up to become a faggot who would watch elio(yuji and gojo are also applicable for being fujobait, but they get a pass because theyre actually badass and not faggots).
Naruto is a special case but only because a lot of fucking male millenials like him

>>149216961
It is derived from an actual, factual school of design meant to basically hack your brain essentially via using the same methodology you used to learn fundamentals like shapes and colors to kind of backdoor you into internalizing whatever the intended message is, so that wouldn't be surprised.

Like Bauhaus presents itself way less sinisterly, but that's defacto what it's doing.

>>149217005
>Fag defending film about the grotesque commodification of young girls encouraging them to act out, make themselves vulnerable, rebel against authority, and expose themselves and their bodily functions for money attacks anime.

Lemme guess, you have a magnet next to your PC and hotswap harddrives just in case the cops ever show up to your mom's house.

>>149224950
>toon force
Oh fuck the hell off you monumental retard.

>>149235362
>toon force
>cartoon physics
>slapstick
Call it whatever, Luffy's a Toon.

>>149216866 (OP)
Did you see this >>149235183
>>149235183

>>149234568
The issue is that MHA's fanbase is one that's hyperdominated by fags and girls more so than ever and they're signal boosted and protected from getting slapped compared to the old days so there's less recognition of that fact until the series ended and you got hit with the McDonald's memes.

We knew Naruto was kinda a wimp and a fag despite having a solid premise from being able to get into arguments about it as kids and get bitched out or embarrassed when we were cringe about it, and were encouraged to do so to eachother rather than hold our tongues, that's not the case anymore. It's a worthwhile comparison too because both series have a lot of similar fundamentals, just swap "annoying guy who's ineffectual until he flips out and uses a power up in a fight" to "whiny guy who's completely useless in a fight until he cripples himself." and change the setting. The functions of the characters are similar.

A good way to kinda see the difference is comparing their fanfiction. Naruto had its share of fags and women writing, but they were more of an odd curiosity to mock, and the bulk of fics basically broke the series down and rewrote it hundreds of thousands of times, and even the slop fundamentally said "Naruto's kind of a bitch and the series could be cooler." even when they couldn't write for shit, had displays of ambition like "What if he won the Chunin exams, actually beat Sasuke, etc, and various fanon ideas that largely had to do with how to make the world work and make sense Most of it was also on FF.net, which by nature of its design was kinda hostile to being a meandering faggot with no plan.

MHA is drowning a small handful of those plot focused fics in 99% fagslop and slice of life, its fanon is all uwu faggoty LGBT bullshit, and the number of fics interested in anything more complex than "What if Deku was a villain" are rare.

It shows, IMHO, that people aren't pushing back as hard and there's less conscious recognition of the problems.

>>149234568
>>149235554
Hero Academia will go down as its generation's Bleach(even right down to having the insanely hot brown girl), it started off strong and looked poised to conquer the world only to run out of steam and people moved on to something else.

It also had the incredibly good fortune of being about superheroes right as the MCU took off and became a cultural juggernaut.

>>149234556
>Gojo in JJK is gay as fuck
I don't think there's a single character in all of JJK that shows any gay romantic interest in any other character.
The closest that show gets to anything that might be construed as an abnormal romantic relationship is the older chick who's grooming her little brother so she can make money off of his success later in life.

>>149216900
>Disney executives intentionally
They have specifically said it had nothing to do with Disney, but was a decision made by Pixar execs.

>>149235554
Western mha fandom is trash. It's filled with fags and triggered tumblirinas

>>149235612
nigga did you read or watch the fucking show, yuji has a girl interested in him and gets her as his gf and yuta and maki literally breed at the end of the series
and thats disregarding the blatant homosexual and heterosexual lust both kashimo and yorozu have for sukuna

>>149235606
Bleach at least has the advantage of just a fundamentally better protagonist as well as its original endpoint being fairly strong as a cap to what had happened at that point. So even as it went to shit narratively, you stuck around because Ichigo got to be in cool fights and felt, mostly, like he was actually affecting the plot rather than experiencing it. He had drive and narrative agency to some degree. Sure, sometimes it was illusionary, but at the least, he was a reasonably stalwart, masculine character who mattered in the narrative even as the narrative started collapsing in on itself. If a problem showed up, he WAS going to get involved and try to do something about it and you had real odds that he could at least make an impact.

Deku didn't have that, aside from the hilarity of "in a world where you can be superhuman even without a power for it he just never worked out I guess." seen with like a half dozen people as evidence, he's got heart and a willingness to stick his neck out, but largely stumbles into problems and flails uselessly until like the last 3rd of the manga. Shit happens to him and he just kinda takes it for most of the series run without much drive or ability to actually impact events by and in of himself aside from kinda lucking his way through it. None of his training arcs matter for example, they don't change his situation almost at all and there's never any real impression he actually gained something from them, with even Full Cowling not actually changing anything, with getting help from Eri mattering more.

The good news is that, like always, the fags, teenage girls, and other parasites are slowly moving on now that there's nomore new content to feed their dopamine cycles, abandoning it just like they're doing with RWBY, and did with Voltron and She-ra, to make some /co/mparisons, so we'll see if despite not having as many non-retards already in the fanbase like RWBY did if MHA's fanbase can pull the fuck up at least.

>>149235698
>gay
>abnormal

>>149235710
yeah sorry i didnt read it correctly, the day is getting older and older by the minute.
Regardless, whatever the thing was that was going on between sukuna and uraume was definitly some gay shit(his prev body was male)
meanwhile kashimo was the based kinda gay(if you look at it from that way)

>>149235612
Hakari is fucking a transgender lady boy. Gojo and Geto are clearly lovers and both gay af. Robot and Miwa also, though their love was unrequited.

>>149235780
>Gojo and Geto are clearly lovers and both gay af.
Sounds like headcanon to me.
I think it's more just that white anime fandoms are themselves extremely gay and project that homosexuality onto the media they engage with.
Kind of like what they do with cartoons, though often times those cartoons are also extremely fucking gay.

>>149235130
In a poll from a few years ago, Japanese kids said they had more respect for Tanjiro than their own parents.

>>149235554
The fact Katsuki of all characters is the most popular in the polls for MHA is quite telling. He's literally tied down to Deku otherwise his character arc wouldn't go anywhere, you'd think Todoroki or as I like to call him not Zuko (refuse to believe wasn't influenced by the author just from too many similarities) you would think would have been the more popular than (especially because his brother was the most popular villain) but nah lol asshole bully with superiority inferiority complex more popular. Compared to Sasuke who while yes in the 1st part of Naruto as a rival he and the mc pushed each other he still had his own goals and motivations that weren't strictly tied down to the mc Naruto especially when in part 2 on the reunion and when he heard Naruto beat Pain he didn't give a fuck about him (granted only to the near climax reopening that because of Naruto's insistence to bring him back when he killed Danzo) as he only did in part 1 due to how Naruto becoming stronger in catching up to him made him feel like he wasn't getting anywhere in power in feeling stagnant as it was either Jiraiya or Kakashi forget who between them said it.

>>149235130
>because theyre actually badass and not faggots
Gojo is a canon faggot with Geto. Gege did an interview and all his favorite manga he listed as inspirations for JJK were fujo comics.

>>149235698
Doesn't Yuta literally die at the end of the series?

>>149235801
Gojo and Geto are explicitly gay. Did you not watch JJK 0 or read the manga?

>>149235851
I watched JJK 0 and I don't recall anything gay between Gojo and Geto.
I don't trust western anime fans, you guys have a habit of literally just making shit up and insisting it's canon because you're immensely gay and autistic.

>>149235802
nigga every person respected some dude from a tv series more than their parents
>>149235821
>>149235851
they are not canon lovers nigga, though gege probably wrote them as such that you could interpret them this way. CANON however, definitly not
>>149235839
no, he just manages to get back into his body for no fucking reason, rendering his speech about loosing his humanity worthless, and basically the entire yujo reveal.
him and sukuna are geges pet characters so of course he would be fine by the end of the series

>>149235839
>>149235875
Yuta cockteasing death by repeatedly trying to kill himself the moment he wasn't immediately winning a fight was basically the only thing his character did so I'm not surprised he finished the series escaping the consequences of his own suicidal behavior again.

>>149235810
Being fair given what I know of the polls in question, they like him over there for actually having balls and a cool power VS here in the west where it's just fujos and faggots, similar to how the polls for Naruto had Sasuke so high because they saw him entirely differently from over here where he was seen as an edgy millstone faggot for the narrative, most popular with fags and girls again, over there they saw him as an anti-heroic warrior working for an honorable purpose or some shit IIRC.

>>149235821
Gege also did an interview hosted by Tite Kubo where he basically got grilled by his sempai for making his manga too gay and not making his female characters hot enough lmao

>>149235707
There's also the fact Ichigo is a delinquent, a misunderstood delinquent with a heart of gold but a delinquent nonetheless. Deku is a fucking boyscout.
Also the fact Ichigo did end up with the cute girl with the huge tits while Deku didn't get shit.

>>149236078
Yeah point is Ichigo felt like a protagonist and not like a viewpoint character in a disaster movie, basically, he accomplished shit, got a hot girl, could actually fight villains, had like 4 something different rivals, etc. So like I said, even when the narrative is falling the fuck to pieces from convoluted bullshit from Fullbringers onward you stuck it out because you wanted to see what he was going to do next, rather than what was gonna happen to him next.

>>149231023
>AoT cope out of NOWHERE

>>149236184
I think it's as simple as how they approach and talk to other people, with Ichigo you get
>oi Byakuya you fucking faggot, why are you letting them kill your little sister? the fuck's wrong with you?
while with Deku you get shit like
>oh Bakugo-chan even tho you've been a fucking asshole to me for years I still think of you as my best friend

Not ending up with the chubby floaty girl was just the icing on the shit cake

>>149236237
>pic
Did she bite her tongue or something?

>>149236320
She's the designated creepy villain girl
Instead of the MC fixing her with his cock they killed her off lmao

>>149236333
Yeah, it's just the burger biting panel coupled with the pained expression in the other one feels like she bit her tongue.

>>149235707
Deku sucks because MHA is Horikoshi's Naruto capeshit NaruSasu roleswap AU

>and also being obnoxiously pro-status quo (which isn't inherently a bad thing as long as the status quo is innately good but has been corrupted or subverted by the antagonistic forces) despite making it clear that the status quo IS inherently wrong

Deku is spiritually cucked because he upholds an evil authority. He is basically a woman and his dynamic with Bakugo is like a battered housewife and her dick husband

>at least two people noticing MHA has a huge problem with Bakugo's role in the story
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>149236428
Bakugo sucks because he's what happens when you roleswap Naruto and Sasuke but then give all of the agency and drive to Naruto as the rival while emasculating Sasuke as the hero. It creates a lopsided narrative where the rival overly dominates the hero which is only reinforced by how the setting inadvertently values the act of conformity.

Deku's name is even derived from "Be Not Defeated by The Rain" which depicts a hero going around helping people despite being called useless and not being praised. It's a good representation of how Japan values people who bend the knee to the community and conform. But it doesn't work if the status quo is evil, and it especially doesn't work when it's a superhero story

>>149233193
where are they now? banned from the industry for being offensive to women. the heart of all of this is the women wholl harang HR to get joksters and edgelords fired.
hence reality right now
>hur you cant make good drawing unless you suck dick and drink cum and suck cum from assholes
get fucked.

>>149234535
not
even
a
bit

>>149236398
Being fair to Horikoshi when he started going off about how there were serious problems with the system and the status quo they intentionally gutfucked him and forced him to take an editor famous for killing series to put him back in his place, it's why after the League of Villains/Meta Liberation Army war suddenly there's a massive number of 180s.

>>149236951
TSUYU!!!

>>149226334
>>149226570
My niece and cousins love Bluey as much as Paw Patrol. You are delusional.

>>149229080
Underrated post.