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Anonymous No.150068356 >>150068520 >>150068711 >>150068732 >>150068757 >>150068965 >>150069073 >>150069092 >>150069128 >>150069199 >>150069586 >>150069595 >>150070319 >>150070443 >>150070480 >>150070500 >>150070555 >>150070727 >>150071577 >>150072070 >>150072225 >>150072616 >>150073682 >>150075257 >>150075769 >>150076306 >>150076573 >>150076776 >>150077390 >>150078397 >>150078598 >>150080654 >>150081560 >>150082593 >>150082636 >>150082685 >>150083454 >>150085965 >>150090257 >>150090381 >>150090841 >>150092032 >>150093515
How do you feel about every Spider-man adaptation having other Spider-people? Yay or nay?
Anonymous No.150068391 >>150068475 >>150069059 >>150070649 >>150082711 >>150083342 >>150083454 >>150090332 >>150091326
Kill em all
Anonymous No.150068407 >>150068478 >>150068523 >>150068530 >>150068534 >>150068538 >>150068650 >>150068767 >>150068998 >>150070079 >>150070191 >>150072107 >>150072616 >>150077331 >>150077560 >>150078307 >>150082670 >>150083507 >>150094106
If Superman can have other Kryptonians, why can't Spider-Man have the same?
Anonymous No.150068475
>>150068391
FPBP
Anonymous No.150068478 >>150090396
>>150068407
but isn't that different cause he's a certain race? The Spiders aren't a race. desu i don't get why there's so many of them.
Anonymous No.150068520
>>150068356 (OP)
Honestly getting sick of it
Anonymous No.150068523
>>150068407
Im gonna guess different personalities and approach to things, while all spider people are overlapping with quirky, quip-slinging, smart person and adaptations dont really do much to differnetiate them. The first spider verse was actually good at that while the second one not so much
Anonymous No.150068530 >>150070191 >>150070614 >>150071577 >>150077346
>>150068407
Because super families were always lame shit that Marvel used to make fun of and actively avoid
Anonymous No.150068534 >>150069320
>>150068407
Because it's dumb as hell when Superman does it. It's even worse with Spider-Man. Plus, having a team where everyone has the same powers sucks.
Anonymous No.150068538 >>150068547
>>150068407
Nobody cares about Superman so itโ€™s fine.
Anonymous No.150068547 >>150068762 >>150068883 >>150069228 >>150078778 >>150082613 >>150082640
>>150068538
Yep
Anonymous No.150068549 >>150068777 >>150070634
I like it and I treat it like super sentai teams
Anonymous No.150068650
>>150068407
Because Superman is shit. There. That what you wanted to hear? And Batman too. And Flash. And especially Green Lantern. Fuck off from my series and die, but especially die.
Anonymous No.150068711
>>150068356 (OP)
The slow transformation of Spider-Man into a Power Rangers-lite franchise is so fucking bleak, worse than OMD in some ways. At least That one everyone can agree it's bullshit, this type of shit actually has a significant amount of fans.
Anonymous No.150068732
>>150068356 (OP)
Morlun was a hero, I just couldn't see it...
Anonymous No.150068757
>>150068356 (OP)
I stopped giving a fick about spider man a decade ago and it was because of the explosion of spider people.
Anonymous No.150068762
>>150068547
Superkeksโ€ฆ.
Anonymous No.150068767
>>150068407
Because if I don't like it I'm not giving it my attention or my money.
Anonymous No.150068777
>>150068549
Those tend to have each Ranger have their own shtick to make them unique. These guys don't.
Anonymous No.150068883
>>150068547
Is Superman even the third most popular hero any more? surely, someone like Wolverine is getting close to him
Anonymous No.150068965
>>150068356 (OP)
Huge Nay
Anonymous No.150068976 >>150069036 >>150070895
On the opposite side of most people itt, I like other spider people more than Peter. So forcing them to quit their series to become Peter's Pals made me quit the IP.
It's fine, you should enjoy writers and artists, not brands.
Anonymous No.150068998
>>150068407
The Super Family sucks ass too, anon.
Anonymous No.150069036 >>150069119
>>150068976
We get it, anon. You love black dick.
Anonymous No.150069059
>>150068391
/thread
Anonymous No.150069073
>>150068356 (OP)
Nay. Miles and Spider-Gwen add nothing good to the Spider-Man brand. Especially not Spider-Gwen.
Anonymous No.150069092 >>150069134 >>150076203 >>150077362 >>150082693
>>150068356 (OP)
>batfamily ruined batman
>spiderverse ruined spiderman
whoโ€™s next?
Anonymous No.150069105 >>150076296 >>150094161
Fuck y'all. I love the Flash Family and you can't take them away from me.
Anonymous No.150069119 >>150070495
>>150069036
fuck you. I love 2099 dick.
Anonymous No.150069128
>>150068356 (OP)
Spider-verse is the only tenacious concept added to Spider-Man since Venom.
Anonymous No.150069134 >>150069154
>>150069092
Dunno. Hulks seemed easy, but they backpedaled on those.
Anonymous No.150069154
>>150069134
Any of his kids do anything recently? Besides Skaar getting his ass beat by Marvel equivalent of ICE
Anonymous No.150069156
We're in a perpetual mobius strip of the same complaining threads
Anonymous No.150069199 >>150075705 >>150081972
>>150068356 (OP)
Thought it was really cool in the 90's.
Don't care anymore.
Anonymous No.150069228
>>150068547
>The MCU lost to this
Just put the universe out of its misery already
Anonymous No.150069320 >>150069497
>>150068534
>um actually supergirl should be a shapeshifting blob
Cringe
Anonymous No.150069497
>>150069320
should Supergirl fuck Lex Luthor?
Anonymous No.150069586
>>150068356 (OP)
Is it possible for you to have an opinion without it coming from the internet?
Anonymous No.150069595
>>150068356 (OP)
I fucking hate it it's goddamn redundant. Bring back Daredevil, Luke and Danny for fucks sake
Anonymous No.150070079 >>150079771 >>150080716 >>150080716
>>150068407
the gimmick was ruined by corporate greed. it can work but at this point its all a bid to extract as much money from a given character as possible by franchising the mantle. at most these members of cape families should be restricted to non-canonical elseworlds stuff, but they're all constants now, it's impossible not to resent them. We dont build anything anymore, the inclusion of these supplementary characters doesnt add to anything, it's just spectacle now. Think of what the Marvel Family were in the golden age and contrast that against spiderverse. Freddy and Mary actually go on adventures of their own seperate from Billy. Miles (and at this point all the other spider people) just drag Pete into their bullshit to the detriment of everyone involved. Same with Wolverine's kids, same with Batman, and Superman.

People constantly talk about reboots and clean slates. How about a continuity where legacy additions are banned?
Anonymous No.150070191 >>150074814 >>150077383 >>150079771
>>150068407
Legacy heroes are built into the DNA of DC. DC really began by taking stuff like Golden Age Flash (Jay Garrick) and making Silver Age Flash (Barry Allen).

The literal first issue of Amazing Spider-Man has him try and join the FF and get caught up in a misunderstanding. The CORE of the character is that he is a loner who tries his best and often gets nothing to show for it but he does it because he has the power to do so.

>>150068530
>"the whole goal of the [the 'Spider-verse'] trilogy was to let everybody feel like it could be me"
Fucking letter pages from the original Spider-Man comic are FULL of people thinking Spider-Man could be them, simply because they gave Spider-Man problems like money issues, social problems etc. This idea you need someone to be EXACTLY like someone to connect to them is based on bullshit from modern academia. Spider-Man was popular because he was endearing to people from the start!

This shit is so fucking miserable that these people don't get that.
Anonymous No.150070319
>>150068356 (OP)
I don't like it but not as much as I dislike Spider-man being the only hero in the world. One of the biggest let down of Raimi and Webb.
Anonymous No.150070443
>>150068356 (OP)
Nay, it gets bogged down too much hell Tina Fey predicted the downfall.
>https://youtu.be/5bw1OlVdZ2U?si=yQxCWdZptFL8LICv
Anonymous No.150070480 >>150083008 >>150083199 >>150083434
>>150068356 (OP)
>How do you feel about every Spider-man adaptation having other Spider-people? Yay or nay?
Nay, very nay. The only other Spider-person should be Mayday to take over the mantle when Peter retires. Beyond that there should be no one else.
Anonymous No.150070495 >>150070648
>>150069119
Is it like his fingers?
Anonymous No.150070500
>>150068356 (OP)
I think they need to just make a Spider-Gwen show instead of forcing her into Peter's stories. I would say the same for Miles, but we all know he can't draw a crowd
Anonymous No.150070555
>>150068356 (OP)
its literally just a way to sneak diversity tokens in while being "comic accurate" they just make comics for it to be made into adaptations now and then you cant complain because its "in the source material" its fucking retarded. So Spectacular Spiderman will be the last cartoon with a normal romance with Gwen now she is elevated to superhero status and gets to be a status quo mainstay.
Anonymous No.150070614 >>150070633 >>150070673 >>150070841 >>150074910 >>150082759 >>150087916
>>150068530
>That short haired Spider-Dyke in the front right.
The only way to save Marvel si to burn the entire thing to the ground.
Anonymous No.150070633 >>150074946
>>150070614
ahahahah but you cant complain about it or say anything because shes just as valid and explained by the plot as the rest fuck you
Anonymous No.150070634
>>150068549
You like it because you're a fag.
Anonymous No.150070648
>>150070495
for my pleasure
Anonymous No.150070649
>>150068391
fpbp
Anonymous No.150070673
>>150070614
That's supposed to be Anya Corazon
Anonymous No.150070727
>>150068356 (OP)
"The Amazing Spider-Man" title is because of the unusual things he could do, when those become usual he becomes a powerset no different than the flying brick+ gimmick.
Nay.
Anonymous No.150070841
>>150070614
>effectively ragebaited
lmao
Anonymous No.150070895
>>150068976
Kaine > Peter > 90s Miguel > Mayday > the rest
Anonymous No.150071577
>>150068356 (OP)
>>150068530
Spiderverse? More like chaserverse.
Anonymous No.150072070
>>150068356 (OP)
It wouldn't be an issue if they didn't insist on shoving them into shows that are basically protracted origin stories. If they started with Peter as an experienced/veteran hero with is own team it'd be slightly more tolerable, if a little cheesy.
Anonymous No.150072107
>>150068407
>if this member of an entire species can have other members of that species who also lived why can't this guy who has a very specific, contrived power set also have people who conveniently have that exact same powerset, origin story, and ability to rip off his style
Anonymous No.150072225
>>150068356 (OP)
>How do you feel about every Spider-man adaptation having other Spider-people? Yay or nay?
Obviously, not yea enough. Peter Parker should lay an egg sac and then we should have a complete franchise reboot movie:
>Spiderman Zero: Dawn of the 1,000 Spider Niglets
The plot will be about saving the day through the good work of doctor Fauci infusing mRNA vaccines into the spider venom of all 1,000 Spider Niglets fathered by Peter Parker, and they must all track down the evil unvaccinated fascists to stop them from killing grandma. Uncle Ben dies a preventable death from Covid-19 after brushing shoulders with a guy on the train who wasn't wearing his mask, giving the story immense emotional weight and sympathy from the audience.
Also, Peter Parker is gay. Spiders in this universe reproduce homosexually.
Anonymous No.150072616
>>150068356 (OP)
Horrid and I hate it with passion, miles morales and spider-man Gwen along the infinite legacy characters of Spiderman and spiderwoman are on of the top reasons modern Spiderman sucks.
>>150068407
Whats makes you think having a bunch of supermen besides supergirl and maybe superboy, was a good thing?
Anonymous No.150073682
>>150068356 (OP)
doesn't bother me much
Anonymous No.150074814
>>150070191
>Fucking letter pages from the original Spider-Man comic are FULL of people thinking Spider-Man could be them, simply because they gave Spider-Man problems like money issues, social problems etc. This idea you need someone to be EXACTLY like someone to connect to them is based on bullshit from modern academia. Spider-Man was popular because he was endearing to people from the start!
That's what's really confusing. Most people can relate to Peter's money problems, but for some reason everyone thinks him being white blocks them from doing so. For some reason they'd rather focus on a 2-second cameo of Sony's OC Spider Lady with vitiligo.
Anonymous No.150074910
>>150070614
Still would
Anonymous No.150074946
>>150070633
there's a 50% chance xe hangs xemself from xer spiderwebs anon
Anonymous No.150075257
>>150068356 (OP)
I hate it, and I miss when peter was the only spider guy in the whole marvel universes, then the 90's happened and spider-man got fucked really bad since then.
Anonymous No.150075705
>>150069199
Silver Spider-Man was awesome.
Anonymous No.150075769
>>150068356 (OP)
If they all have to go to get rid of miles so be it, so long as miles goes.
Anonymous No.150076203 >>150077362
>>150069092
>batfamily
I think Batfamily is a lot more tolerable because at the end of the day, these are just martial artists with gadgets. Batman doesn't have a monopoly on either martial arts nor gadgets, otherwise Green Arrow would've been a Robin a long time ago. Plus they usually have something to distinguish themselves from each other. I just wish they stayed out of Gotham. Batman Inc. was a great idea with Batman going global.
Dozens of people with who have the same powers is just shit and contributes nothing of value to Marvel lore.
Anonymous No.150076296
>>150069105
They're kinda overpowered, like Superman, Batman, WonderWoman, and Spider-Man, don't you think, yo?
Anonymous No.150076306
>>150068356 (OP)
Stupid, gay, retarded.
Anonymous No.150076383 >>150076706 >>150076894 >>150078685
I like Ben Reilly, Mayday Parker, Miguel O'Hara, and NOBODY else.
Anonymous No.150076573
>>150068356 (OP)
EXTREME NAY. I only care about Peter Parker
Anonymous No.150076706
>>150076383
This, pretty much.
Anonymous No.150076757
I love other spider people!
Anonymous No.150076776
>>150068356 (OP)
Yay!!!!
Anonymous No.150076894 >>150077247 >>150081922
>>150076383
>marvel has an actual established spider-girl who's well developed and her own character
>use spider-gwen for everything instead

i like gwen stacy just fine but spider-gwen is so whatever. what gives, marvel? do they hate the idea of peter getting a good ending that much?
Anonymous No.150077247
>>150076894
Mayday is a reminder of the marriage which Marvel doesnโ€™t want to keep reminding people of.
Awanama No.150077331 >>150078544
>>150068407
>If Superman can have other Kryptonians, why can't Spider-Man have the same?
spbp, don't forget the Flash too!
We already know the real reason why people hate this idea.... Because Miles Morales aka black Spider-Man
Anonymous No.150077346 >>150090391
>>150068530
And they're realize nothing wrong with that
People change
Anonymous No.150077362
>>150069092
>>150076203
Batfamily is fine as long as Harley isn't in it
Anonymous No.150077383 >>150077442 >>150079771 >>150082741
>>150070191
>>The literal first issue of Amazing Spider-Man has him try and join the FF and get caught up in a misunderstanding. The CORE of the character is that he is a loner who tries his best and often gets nothing to show for it but he does it because he has the power to do so.
And then Marvel made over 150 issues of him teaming up and working with random people over and over and over
Anonymous No.150077390
>>150068356 (OP)
sucks
Anonymous No.150077442 >>150077455 >>150077482
>>150077383
.Yeah he became their most popular character and that's why they had team up books. It doesn't mean he should be forever surrounded by teams or part of teams. There is a difference.
Anonymous No.150077455 >>150077482 >>150077560 >>150084162
>>150077442
Spidey was teaming up with people CONSTANTLY even in his early years. Yes, it's because he was popular but it sure as hell also means he wasn't some mythical loaner character that would never work with anyone ever. At least not more so than any other solo hero not part of a family or team.
Anonymous No.150077482 >>150084162
>>150077455
>>150077442
Also you're acting like Spidey is ALWAYS part of a family or team now. He's not. Even in most of those shows that people are bitching about they're characters that drop in from time to time and aren't there 24/7

Or, you know, from shows that haven't even aired yet.
Anonymous No.150077560
>>150077455
Ever read those stories? Most of them have pete being a sarcastic dick, even if his inter monolog was sincere. Even when he's around people he likes, he rarely turns off the snark and can even be antagonistic at his worst. Dude has a habit of attacking with thinking first only to end up beating up a good guy.
I like when he guest stars or has team ups, and I like the old amazing friends show (the current toddler one is absolute shit), but, to pretend that 616 og pete is a gracious host most of the time is juat wrong.
>>150068407
Spider-man is not a species. He's also not a mantle. Having the title being passed around like captain america or how batman could be, destroys the personal mission it is for peter.
Anonymous No.150077906 >>150081670
All of Spidey's early team-ups are with characters not having spider powers. They're also short entertaining stories, totally different from shackling him to two alt universe diet Spider-People
Anonymous No.150078217
Itโ€™s missing that one yet to be made comic/show where they all get fitted in as the results of Spider-Man.
Like Miles being a student of Peterโ€™s while Peter has a teaching contract.

But such a thing will never occur under current Marvel.
Anonymous No.150078230
Fuck these faggots off and let Spider-Man hang out with the Fantastic Four and Daredevil again
Anonymous No.150078307 >>150078406
>>150068407
superman comes from a planet of other super people, there is no spider planet
Anonymous No.150078397 >>150081653
>>150068356 (OP)
Hard NAY. Peter Parker is Spiderman, and belongs on his own. No "Spider Family" shit.
Anonymous No.150078406
>>150078307
>no spider planet
Planet shmanet. Marvel has a whole Spider-verse.
Anonymous No.150078544
>>150077331
But Flash also has a black one too? Heck its a literal race swap. I mean unless they retconed black Wally since last ive heard that white Wally is like currently the main Flash.
Anonymous No.150078598
>>150068356 (OP)
I don't want to watch Spider-family, I want to watch Spider-man.
...Has Disney made a straight up Spider-man show? there was Spider-man + WhiteTigerPowerManIronFist, Spider-man+SpinSpiderGwen, Spider-man, Spider-man+SpinSpiderGwenForKids,
Are Disney allergic to Spider-man solo stories?
Anonymous No.150078685
>>150076383
Yost's Scarlet Spider made me like Kaine more.
Still don't care for Ben, though.
Anonymous No.150078778
>>150068547
> That Gap
Ever other hero is just the supporting cast for those two , holy shit.
Anonymous No.150079771 >>150080716 >>150080716 >>150081674 >>150084088
>>150070079
>Cap Marvel painting
>1978 according to google and some art website
>That baboon, inhuman, clownish, blackface looking character in the back
Wtf? Did C.C. Beck get away with that in the 70's? If it was a private piece that makes more sense. Also putting aside that the 50's curly hair is very cute on Mary. I'm kinda sad 50's hair is sometimes frowned upon. I mean maybe once or twice I have seen it on older women but damn, if I get gf, I'll have her have that style at least for a month.
Also yes I agree with that whole paragraph.
>>150070191
Does modern academia really say that? Cause that seems like the antithesis of what they said before in previous decades where you had to see yourself in someone's shoes. Guess that takes too much imagination and effort. Perhaps they are saying this because we do have to admit there is a lack of minorities represented in a lot of significant places like movies where they barely star in the leading role or have a cartoon presence because everyone was afraid to draw a characticature or didn't think white people could stomach a black lead.
Now they are taking it too far and making them mary sues but I think we might pass that in the next couple of years. Who knows.
Spider-Man and Marvel is the most egregious. They just need Miles to now say, "Step aside whitey, I'm fucking your wife now. Gib me sum muthafuggin blonde pussy with the redhead pussy and while we're at it I'm gonna shoot a kamehameha so Latinx folx like me now! Also the entire 616 is mine now and gay Spider-man over here is my new role model! Thank you Israel! Thank you Bendis, Slott, Quesada, Brevoort, and Lowe!"
>>150077383
Most of those had Spidey do it for one issue though. There were some stretched out arcs where time passed or didn't between issues with the same guest star but either way, team-up books show Peter is willing to work with others but he isn't willing to play babysitter all the time and not have control over how he handles a situation.
Anonymous No.150080654 >>150081616 >>150081721
>>150068356 (OP)
Make a hard reset, ban multiversal stuff and limit it to just Peter.
Anonymous No.150080716 >>150081756 >>150081847
>>150070079
>>150079771
>inhuman
The Caveman looked pretty much like a savage from more modern War Lord or Doc Savage or similar post Golden Age adventure comics that went into prehistoric or jungle or similar arenas. When Doc Shaner drew the recent (2012?) Convergence Shazam book, he drew him a lot less ape-like than this but not that much.

You're complaining about an art style. You could complain about other people's current (2025) art style when they aren't using a clean DC (Jim Lee art style versus say a Brian Bolland or Bermejo that has more character).

>>150070079
>legacy additions
>>150079771
>agree with that whole paragraph.
I don't disagree that we can't have say a clone of Peter that survives, like Ben. And I personally wouldn't have a problem with AU versions of any character from other Earth's/universes. So I do agree we can get rid of 90% of them in the mainline canon 90% of the time (since AU stories should only happen rarely, and not be the norm).

But legacy characters for other people, when it's not a corporate greed whore-out, are fine, like Wally or Jay and Barry existing in the same universe Because Reasons, so I'm also fine with Kon, Kara and once they pro-create, Superman having super kids. We don't need Pee Gee, which most of you would argue against, in that example - at least not regularly around.
Anonymous No.150081560
>>150068356 (OP)
Spider-Man is famous because he interacts and grounds the most primal part of a superheroes humanity as a regular guy through actual superheroics. I don't have a problem with it because Spidey despite his loner status has had versions of himself and it was fun how those spideys differed from him, Spidey is still held has the paragon and chooses one out of all of them in the end but being Spider-Man is a relatable thing for different people so naturally anybody with his powers can project as their own version. Spidey is basically the custom hero player of comicbook heroes. Doesnt fit any category of single archetypal hero concept and can represent the fans better than anyone. Also I like Miguel sjd Gwen more than Peter, and I like Peter but Peter is a an annoying self righteous manchild in my eyes.
Anonymous No.150081616
>>150080654
Spidey had a multiversal concept of himself before spideyverse/dan slott tho. Peter was never gonna be one of a kind hes a Superhero, superheroes are inherently outlandish by nature. Even if they are relatable.
Anonymous No.150081653 >>150081894 >>150081945
>>150078397
>Peter Parker is Spider-Man

He doesn't own the concept, they're Spider people who own the Spider themed hero without his own fucking say so like Jessica Drew and Natsha Romanov. Alternate Spidermen existed as far as the 80s and 90s cartoon before spiderverse
Anonymous No.150081670 >>150090491
>>150077906
>of Spidey's early team-ups are with characters not having spider powers. They're also short entertaining stories, totally different from shackling him to two alt universe diet Spider-People

And yet none of these team ups with non Spider people are as popular as the spider verse movies and no way home. The avengers don't count since hes not a main character.
Anonymous No.150081674 >>150081847
>>150079771
That's Steamboat. He was Billy's closest friend and room mate in the golden age. You have to realize any kind of positive depiction of a black in the 30's and 40's was progressive at the time. Most people will just approach these outdated depictions with shock and embarassment however, completely incapable of acknowledging their historical significance. It was the same deal with Warner's Censored Eleven. They didnt hire turbo racists to work on those cartoons. They were made with good intentions in mind. Coal Black was celebrated by black soldiers.
Anonymous No.150081721
>>150080654
This. The multiverse gimmick needs to be put into deep freeze for the next 20 years atleast. It was mishandled to such an extreme that It frankly deserves worse than that even. Once again I need to reiterate, evergreen continuities sans all legacy characters.
Anonymous No.150081756
>>150080716
DC left Peeg without a place in cannon once they nuked Earth 2 classic. That's her biggest problem. She just struggles to work as anything other than a grown up independent Supergirl. Bring back the classic Earth 2 and everything resolves itself. The same is true of most legacy additions. They only truly work under select conditions. There is no situation where having 6 wolverines and 8 batmen is remotely tolerable. It diminishes the significance of the original mantle bearer
Anonymous No.150081847 >>150081910
>>150080716
>>150081674
Oh ok. That character just looked like one of those bad ones I guess. Like one of those "yes massa" types. I guess they portrayed them ok with a backbone but still drew them kinda like characticatures. I mean a lot of black people do have huge lighter skinned lips but it is kinda fine line in drawing black people as cartoons to make them funny looking without making them look like minstrels. And that's kinda hard since a lot cartoon DNA stems from minstrel shows. It still is funny how Miles is on the opposite end of the racism spectrum but still ends up as equivalent to a minstrel puppet for these writers to look morally superior. Without putting in any effort.
I'd say Kaine, Ben, Mayday, Ezekiel, and Silk are the ones who deserve to exist in the 616. Silk needs her origin retconned. Mayday needs to be born. Julia and Jessica need to be thrust back into Avengers books, and the old bag original Madame Web should be brought back while Aunt May dies. Anya can die as well or just move to some latin American country to deal with Tarantula and/or Black Tarantula.
Anonymous No.150081894 >>150083203 >>150083393
>>150081653
He's the original, so gets first claim.
Black widow was never expressly spider themed. She's just an assassin with gadgets and didn't even start out that way. She began as a femme fatale in a dress. As spider-woman? Literally created so DC couldn't steal the idea and was unrelated to Peter. The onlt reason he quest stared on her show was because he was popular and was a draw. Hell, her solo series didn't even last that long and was replaced by Julia Carpenter, some else not related to spider-man, only a handful of years later, leading to more problems when they brought Drew back.
And far as the alternate spider-men are considered, marvel was never as big DC on having alternate timeliness and universes, so most of those guys were one offs and/or marvel equivalent to elseworlds.
Anonymous No.150081910 >>150082590 >>150082809
>>150081847
> And that's kinda hard since a lot cartoon DNA stems from minstrel shows. It still is funny how Miles is on the opposite end of the racism spectrum but still ends up as equivalent to a minstrel puppet for these writers to look morally superior.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>I'd say Kaine, Ben, Mayday, Ezekiel, and Silk are the ones who deserve to exist in the 616-

You lost me. If it were upto me there would only be one Spiderman. Peter. Not even Jessica would escape my hand. All legacy additions belong in seperate canons.
Anonymous No.150081922 >>150082656 >>150083060 >>150083340
>>150076894
Marvel heard your complaints, Anon. Because you demanded it, Mayday has been given a role in this summer's must-read crossover.
Anonymous No.150081945 >>150083258
>>150081653
>IN THIS HOUSE, PETER PARKER IS SPIDER-MAN, END OF STORY. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THE WHOLE CONCEPT AND MOTIEF IS HIS EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY. AND ANNUDA THING, NOBODY EVEN CARED ABOUT BLACK WIDOW UNTIL SHE APPEARED IN THOSE MISERABLE FUCKIN' MCU FILMS!
Anonymous No.150081972
>>150069199
Second from the left seems superior
Anonymous No.150082590
>>150081910
Ok then Mayday at the very least because Spider-Man in the 616 has always been about development/progression/coming-of-age and Peter dying without an heir to his powers is lame. Also the problems with worrying about Mayday and Mayday worrying about her own problems is kinda the point of Spider-Man. It adds new and different layers. DeFalco did good but I wouldn't mind a different take.
Anonymous No.150082593 >>150082925 >>150083250
>>150068356 (OP)
>superman
>comes from an entire race of space-faring aliens, a few stragglers not getting caught in the destruction of their planet makes sense
>Batman
>old-money billionaire who actively recruits protรฉgรฉ, one of them eventually taking up the mantle of Batman makes sense
>spider-man
>literally just a guy who had a freak accident
>โ€uh yeah, actually spider related accidents are a super common occurrence in New York!โ€
Anonymous No.150082613
>>150068547
As there is no good superman game, the gap will remain.
Anonymous No.150082636
>>150068356 (OP)
Based Hank Pym.
Anonymous No.150082640
>>150068547 #
As long as there is no good superman game, the gap will remain.
Anonymous No.150082656
>>150081922
Woooooooo.
Anonymous No.150082670 >>150083285
>>150068407
Because Spider-man is supposed to be personal to Peter.
Hell, Spider-Gwen and Miles were fine in their own universes, but I guess they figured they could make more cash by bringing them to 616....
Anonymous No.150082685 >>150083280 >>150094272
>>150068356 (OP)
>puts mayday in danger
>lets pregnant spider-woman tell him to shut up
>wears a pink robe the entire time
This isnโ€™t spider-man. He was good in the first movie but man they ruined him in ATSV
Anonymous No.150082693
>>150069092
Technically, it was alright when it was Batman, Robin and the dog. Maybe Batwoman and Batgirl too. But as of right now, dear god, what a shitshow!
Anonymous No.150082711
>>150068391
Except Miguel and mayday
Anonymous No.150082741
>>150077383
Yet theyโ€™re all different heroes
Anonymous No.150082759
>>150070614
Yeah she has the Vi look, itโ€™s gross
Anonymous No.150082809 >>150082820
>>150081910
Jessica Drew has nothing to do with Spider-Man. She was wrapped up in Hydra and the High Evolutionary shenanigans, and dealt more with the mystical/mythological/horror side of Marvel.

WHICH WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT.
Anonymous No.150082820
>>150082809
Its funny how Jessica and Julia had nothing to do with Pete. Hell, Jessica was operating in Los Angeles IIRC.
I actually like this.
Anonymous No.150082857 >>150083322
I actually do like the spider family as a sort of "post-game" to Spidey. A good cast for when Peter Parker is on the verge of retirement and his own arcs have wrapped up.

That includes the multiverse stuff. I really think it only works narratively as a final arc to Spiderman. Not the kind of story you can tell before going right back to street-level kingpin stuff
Anonymous No.150082925 >>150091292
>>150082593
Its worst.
>Silk is a girl who got retconned in Pete's origin story.
>Miles has the exact same fucking accident story for some reason, just in 1610.
>Gwen was just the one who got bite instead of Pete.
>Miles and Gwen then got retconned in 616.
>Spider-Boy then got retconned in.
The """Spider-family""" exists on the basis of retcons and hack writers shoe horning the hot new thing in 616.
Anonymous No.150083008 >>150083423 >>150083434
>>150070480
Miguel is fine too since he actually works to become spider-man and has his own world
Anonymous No.150083060
>>150081922
>Mayday comes in
>just to jobb
I don't maydays run is super amazing, but it was solid and there's so much more you could do with the character
Anonymous No.150083199 >>150083434
>>150070480
>Mayday to take over the mantle when Peter retires.
Honestly, I am not sold on this story line. Like, why the brat of a superhero should become a superhero themselve?
Anonymous No.150083203
>>150081894
>As spider-woman? Literally created so DC couldn't steal the idea and was unrelated to Peter. The onlt reason he quest stared on her show was because he was popular and was a draw. Hell, her solo series didn't even last that long and was replaced by Julia Carpenter, some else not related to spider-man, only a handful of years later, leading to more problems when they brought Drew back.

Tdlr, Jessica and Julia are Peter's bitches and brand now. Marvel says so.
Anonymous No.150083250
>>150082593
>>spider-man
>>literally just a guy who had a freak accident

Thats enough for shit to be an reason for a bunch of alternate Spidermen copies and expies because comicbooks are fucking unrealistic period. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.150083258
>>150081945
Scarlet Johanson Black Widow should have been the Wonder Woman of mcu but these hacks couldn't recognise potential if it raped them in the ass with a stick.
Anonymous No.150083280 >>150090303
>>150082685
What didn't they ruined in that movie?
Anonymous No.150083285 >>150094113
>>150082670
>Because Spider-man is supposed to be personal to Peter.

No its not. Spider-Man point hes nit a special guy even his Spiderman identity is nothing special and anyone can have his powers and his become somehow more popular than him if they apply themselves better than Peter. Peter to us is the best Spider-Man but in the marvel universe, hes not even 1st or best compared to others like Miles or Mayday.
Anonymous No.150083319 >>150083440
Just imagine if all the people who worked on Spiderverse 1 and no one else had made the sequel and it was a Miles solo movie. He could have been close to being the next Terry McGuinness.
Anonymous No.150083322 >>150091155
>>150082857
Miles is gonna be the best successor of Peter. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.150083340
>>150081922
Doom is Marvel's favorite creators pet Gary stu so its normal everyone jobs to him
Anonymous No.150083342
>>150068391
FPBP
Anonymous No.150083380
I wish Bendis a very raped to death by a pack of bonobos.
Anonymous No.150083393
>>150081894
Peter is thr original and thus anyone rocking a spider theme puts his brand on there's because its more a tribute to him and his legacy. Jessica now does it despite not having anything to do with him in the past because Peter is the pinnacle and the aspiration that spidermen and women look towards. Widow is just a avengers flunked trying g to pick up on Peter's popularity as a spider based spy.
Anonymous No.150083423 >>150083483 >>150085783
>>150083008
>and has his own world
That's the main thing. There's nothing wrong with having spiders in other worlds having their own adventures. Miguel and Mayday and even Miles, they all have places in many Anons' hearts for their original runs.
But when they're with Peter, it almost always goes south. Pic related isn't even 616, but it's like a multiversal constant that when a Peter Parker is in the same general area as an unrelated spider, he has to take backseat.
Even if the other spiders are written well, people will grow to resent them because of this. And when they keep pumping out media that keeps those other spiders glued to him at the hip...
Anonymous No.150083434 >>150083457
>>150070480
>>150083008
>>150083199
Nope its gonna be Miles. Girls are too boring and uncool to be legacy heroes and replacements for original superheroes.
Anonymous No.150083440 >>150083659
>>150083319
>He could have been close to being the next Terry McGuinness.
No way, even in Spider-Verse 1 he had all the same issues he usually has, i.e. being just Peter but black, it was just less noticeable because they smartly had all the other characters take the attention off of him

Terry does his own thing, in his own time, and his own costume, with his own villains and love interests, and ways of handling things (like killing people)
Anonymous No.150083446
the more spiders there are the less I care about them
Anonymous No.150083454
>>150068356 (OP)
Gay
>>150068391
Fpbp
Anonymous No.150083457
>>150083434
The only reason it's going to be Miles is the fact there are more cuckolds than misandrists in Marvel editorial
Anonymous No.150083483 >>150083565
>>150083423
>that fucking dialogue
Total Ziglar Death
Anonymous No.150083507
>>150068407
Because these other kryptonians usually take a backseat in Superman's stories instead of replacing him fully
Anonymous No.150083565 >>150083658
>>150083483
He couldn't even avoid basically rephrasing the exaggerated swagger line...
Anonymous No.150083658
>>150083565
Like, how do you read this as anything other than deliberately hateful?
>What? A Spider-Man without Miles and it's the best Spider-Man's ever been in decades and everyone likes it?
>HAVE SPIDERMAN'S SON SUCK MILES'S DICK IMMEDIATELY!!! HAVE HIM VALIDATE MILES!!!!!!

This is some "and then everybody clapped, his name? albert einstein" type shit.
Anonymous No.150083659 >>150084030
>>150083440
>i.e. being just Peter but black
He isn't though. That's one of the major problems of Miles, he doesn't have any characteristics *at all.* Peter is a down-on-his-luck everyman, poor, sometimes selfish, sometimes snarky, lives with his aunt and wracked with guilt because he was the main cause of the death of his Uncle, who was like a father to him. Miles... goes to a rich school, is completely well-adjusted, has loving parents. Being "Peter but black" would be a STEP UP for him as a character.
Anonymous No.150084030 >>150084044
>>150083659
>That's one of the major problems of Miles, he doesn't have any characteristics *at all.*
Miles is luck-stat maxed. That's a characteristic
>Wins rich-kid school lottery
>Friends with someone who can make webbing for him
>Bitten by a mutant spider and gets SuperPowers+++ package
>Black kid with a dad in his life
>Has a burger in his pocket for Molecule man so he can survive his universe ending despite being its' weakest character
>Evil clones kill eachother for no real reason leaving only good clone and Miles hands' stainless
Probably other shit too, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of his publishing history.
Anonymous No.150084044 >>150085783
>>150084030
Oh, I forgot/repressed, being a really important and famous super hero in other universes just because. Ain't that lucky for him.
Anonymous No.150084088 >>150090664
>>150079771
>Does modern academia really say that?
We've gone from a universal humanistic approach of seeing ourselves in fiction and exploring motivation to a narrow intersectional approach basically stating that you can't fully understand what other humans are going through and people need role models that look exactly like them.
Anonymous No.150084162
>>150077455
>>150077482
Spider-Man was popular. Spider-Man teamed up and befriended a bunch of people. But that doesn't mean his core character didn't have loner issues where stuff went wrong, or that he didn't have an abrasive sense of humour. He worked with people but he was still his own man. I don't get what part of this you don't understand, it feels like you were heavily invested in pushing some "gotcha" take. Other companies or characters are legacy or team based at their core, in a different way. The multiverse stuff goes back many years but it is clear with Spider-Man that for quite a few years now it has been heavily pushed in this brand. No where did anyone say it is ALWAYS happening. But what they are saying is, it has diluted the brand in a certain way because it ignores fundamental things people saw in a character.
Anonymous No.150085783 >>150086046 >>150089679
>>150083423
>>150084044
Just look at this bullshit, people really want to gaslight others into thinking this shitty piece of garbage is suppose to be a character and not fetishistic fuck you to the fans.
Miles was only created because bryan michael bendis has a cuckold interracial fetish that he likes to force on his comics (look how he worships luke cage), he is pushed down to everyone throat to replace peter parker, miles steals his name, costume, love interest, villains, stories and screen time and people have the sheer odacity to say "he is just doing his own thang dont be wacist chud", but of course is not fucking enough little scrappy doo steals everything from peter oh no no no, peter MUST be humillated and emasculated everytime he is around miles or his other devianart oc donut steel friends.
How the fuck can you read any of his comics or appeareances and argue he is ok? How? Do you fuckers have some kind of white guilt? Interracial humillation fetish? Are you people just retarded drones? Or you can be honest and say you hate the idea of the most popular hero in the world is a straight white male.
Anonymous No.150085965
>>150068356 (OP)
Remember that time playstation made Peter jewish and then turned him back to white just in time to get replaced by miles? Yeah you can't make this stuff up.
Anonymous No.150086046
>>150085783
>Miles was only created because bryan michael bendis has a cuckold interracial fetish that he likes to force on his comics
Bendis was on the creative committee for the MCU, it is where he stole a load of ideas for his Guardians run, hence why he was kicked off the comittee. Miles was made because Bendis heard the inner workings of the MCU: actors salaries, casting, contracts etc. He knew which way the wind was blowing on adaptations. Feige wanted younger diverse heroes, so they could cast younger and cheaper people. Pretty much all the diverse characters of the 2010s were made because of the MCU. Bendis just got in on the ground floor.
Anonymous No.150087916
>>150070614
itโ€™s supposed to be Araรฑa but looks NOTHING like her. Madame Web did her more justice somehow.
Anonymous No.150089679 >>150090800 >>150093739 >>150093827 >>150094201
>>150085783
See, this is what I'm talking about. All this guy knows of Miles is from after he was dumped in 616. All his resentment stems from that, and he can't imagine the character being anything more than that. This is what happens when you overcrowd the field with spiders.
Anonymous No.150090257
>>150068356 (OP)
Dumb and unnecessary.
Anonymous No.150090303
>>150083280
Ironically they tried to un-ruin something that the MCU was in the process of fucking up.
By implying that there's some other multiverse happenings going on with a nerd and wizard in 19999, it's put the MCU's universe number into canon.
Then the MCU tried pulling that "We're 616. we're the Sacred timeline" bullshit, which just feels like a complete slap in the face to all fans (both of them) who still care about the MCU.

Yeah, the complete fabrication Quinton Beck made up was actually miraculously correct. What are the odds?
Anonymous No.150090332
>>150068391
fpbp
Anonymous No.150090381
>>150068356 (OP)
nay
Anonymous No.150090391
>>150077346
Are you happy living like this?
Just consuming shit mindlessly?
Anonymous No.150090396
>>150068478
this
Anonymous No.150090491
>>150081670
>it's popular so it's good
Retard.
Anonymous No.150090664
>>150084088
Yeah role models of all varieties should be created but rewriting or erasing certain varieties is hypocritical and lame.
>humanistic approach vs. can't fully understand what others are going through
I mean both are true. Another part is that people need to try to understand each other and I think that's what modern media tries to say but they are not accounting for the inherent fear and hang ups people have about each other. So they just give a blanket answer of saying people just need to accept it instead of saying why we need to accept it and what parts we could conceivably leave out.
Like I don't fully understand gay people and how they like the sex they like. It's weird to think your brain is wired differently and you can't possibly know what it's like.
People then ask with probing questions like have you tried this or that, or what stuff feels like, and then you move on and try to accept it. The problem is that modern media and modern culture wants definitive answers to a lot of problems and just wants total progress when freedom fundamentally doesn't allow that. Like they want an existence of zero bigots or zero people who have lingering anxiety or dislike of gays. That's why capitalism still is the best because you cancel out people's conflicting desires and pick up the most amount of benefit for everyone afterwards. You don't like me and I don't like you and we both want money so Capitalism just lets us take whatever scraps are left and we don't kill each other. Mostly.
Characters who don't accept a person's identity can be begrudging characters who appear and then leave. They don't offer any type of message they simply just are an obstacle or an unlikely source of help who still disagree with somebody's identity or actions and they might not even change by the end of the story. All the commentary has to be is that person loses out on the help of a black or gay person but it is best to leave them alone if they are leaving you alone.
Anonymous No.150090800
>>150089679
I read the first few issues of miles back in 2011, i gave him a chance but miles is shit he was always a shitty replacement for peter parker no matter what universe, a young peter parker was killed off for the sake of miles.
Anonymous No.150090841
>>150068356 (OP)
>NooooOoOoOoOoooooOooOoO you canโ€™t use Spider-man characters in a Spider-man media!!
Anonymous No.150091155
>>150083322
He's had over ten years to step up and overtake Peter. His comics don't sell as much, his games don't sell as much, his merch doesn't sell as much, his movies don't sell as many tickets. If Miles was going to be THE next Spider-Man he wouldn't taken the spot already. Not even trying to torpedo Peter popularity with cuck plotlines pushed audiences towards Miles. They're giving Miles all these extra powers and gimmicks and he's still barely places in the top 50 each month - sometimes doesn't even make that! Marvel is never going to retire Peter when he still brings in so much more money.
Anonymous No.150091209
Spider-man should not have any legacy characters, period.
Anonymous No.150091292
>>150082925
The thing here that really sours the whole batch Is fucking synergy
Synergy Is the fucking cancer killing media
Anonymous No.150091326
>>150068391
fpbp
Anonymous No.150092032
>>150068356 (OP)
I'd prefer spider gwen by herself
Anonymous No.150093515 >>150093528
>>150068356 (OP)
>How do you feel about something that depends on the premise?

Well... Depends on the premise. A spiderverse-esque story NEEDS other spider people. What I dislike is shoehorning them int every Peter parker stuff, just so they can be better than Peter.

I have no problem with having multiple spider-people in peter's story, if it actually a net-positive for peter. Let me give an example before some random indian pretending to be white starts seething:
>Having multiple spiders helps peter with his here-pirvate life balance, and he can actually have relationships that don't go down the shitter because of it.
>they serve as a safety net against the Parker-Luck. "Oh, villain knows my secret identity? I have to take him down. But I call my buddies to guard MJ and Aunt May in case said villain sends goons after them while I'm away."

What I'm trying to say is. It CAN be done, as long as they are not there to replace him, but to support him. What I do not trust, is the writers understanding this much.
Anonymous No.150093528
>>150093515(me)
>secret- Private life balannce.
Anonymous No.150093739 >>150093908
>>150089679
>All this guy knows of Miles is from after he was dumped in 616
1610 died 4 years after Miles was created.
4 years of Bendis writing doesn't result in much of anything happening.
He won against Electro with a poke and beat up Green Goblin with... I dunno, 5 pokes?
Anonymous No.150093827
>>150089679
Right, how can we forget the exact same wanking but at 1610.
Anonymous No.150093908
>>150093739
>Miles spent 4 years in 1610
>Now been in 616 for nearly 9 years (with ~1 year in the mashed-up-dimensions thing)
His 1610 loses more and more significance with time.
Anonymous No.150093957
>Ziglar
Anonymous No.150094106
>>150068407
because spider-people are a shit adition and were only limited to venom, carnage and thats it really
spidey is better when he has crossovers with other heroes like daredevil or wolverine anyways
Anonymous No.150094113
>>150083285
you type like a brown turd
Anonymous No.150094161
>>150069105
the flash family is also too big but they get their powers from the same universal source (most of the time) so it makes sense unlike with spider-man
Anonymous No.150094184
no more clones
keep 616 to 6161 inhatants, NO MORE MULTIVERSAL REFUGEES

REPEAT WITH ME:
no more mutliversal refugees!
Anonymous No.150094201
>>150089679
Have you ever heard about Bigger Batman?
Anonymous No.150094272
>>150082685
of course they ruined him, people liked him more than poochie. they're going to shit all over miguel in the third movie for the same reason
Anonymous No.150094939 >>150096406
Spider-family is stupid, period.
Anonymous No.150096406
>>150094939
Spider-family makes sense when they're actually related to Peter.
His kids might inherit his powers, his clones should have his powers.
Calling a gaggle of unrelated copy-cats a 'spdier-family' is just a misnomer (and also stupid).