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Why is wonder woman so popular if she doesn't have any good or interesting stories?
Anonymous No.150152857 >>150162964 >>150177454 >>150178392 >>150199476
>>150152770 (OP)
Pick the reason that would make you the angriest.
Anonymous No.150152881 >>150154150 >>150157119 >>150164176 >>150167008 >>150188668
>>150152770 (OP)
Lynda Carter in the 70s. That is literally it.
Anonymous No.150152907 >>150152947 >>150154986 >>150162504 >>150164432
>>150152770 (OP)
People know her as a mascot for the idea of female empowerment and superheroines. Harley Quinn kind of displaced her on that spot in the last decade, though now her appeal is waning too, so they're desperately trying to find other DC superheroines to make marketable. Like Hawkgirlboss or the drunk Supergril fanfiction.
Anonymous No.150152947 >>150160941 >>150163054
>>150152907
>Harley Quinn kind of displaced her on that spot in the last decade
barely, DC trying to constantly push Harley doesn't mean it was a successful attempt, and the same applies to Marvel pushing Carol as Captain Marvel. Diana will always be the face of superheroines.
Anonymous No.150153041 >>150153053
Comics used to be popular besides highly marketed 4-12 issue story arcs. People used to read random monthly issues and be entertained and endeared to the characters that way.
Anonymous No.150153047
>>150152770 (OP)
Because most superhero fans are men who fantasize about having sex with a strong and sexy woman like WW
Anonymous No.150153053 >>150153127
>>150153041
Normies never read Wonder Woman. She was never a top seller.
Anonymous No.150153060
>>150152770 (OP)
cool design
Anonymous No.150153065 >>150165017 >>150167008
>>150152770 (OP)
Because she’s hot
Anonymous No.150153127 >>150153694
>>150153053
comics at one point were big enough that normies would read things that aren't top sellers.
Anonymous No.150153176 >>150154956 >>150155751 >>150155822
>>150152770 (OP)
she's a great supporting character
Anonymous No.150153180 >>150153189
>>150152770 (OP)
The single episode character Flats the Flounder from SpongeBob has more personality in his left fin than Wonder Woman has in her 84 years of comic, television and movie history.
Anonymous No.150153189
>>150153180
>/co/ - Comics & Cartoons
>hasn't read a single WW comic
never fails
Anonymous No.150153619
Notice how he didn't cite any WW comics that prove she has personality
Anonymous No.150153666
Simple: men want her and women want to be her.
Anonymous No.150153694 >>150153722
>>150153127
Complete delusion. Comics were always niche, just less niche than they are today.
Anonymous No.150153701 >>150164486
they're making inroads
Anonymous No.150153722 >>150153774 >>150189612
>>150153694
>dude just trust me.
Anonymous No.150153766
Fellas, I know how to make WW popular.
Anonymous No.150153774 >>150156082
>>150153722
I'm not seeing any sources for your claim of normies ever buying WW either.
Anonymous No.150153970 >>150154016 >>150154142 >>150154173 >>150160905
>>150152770 (OP)
Wonder Woman, many times, has had the most consistently good comics out of any major DC character.
Her post crisis run up to around the new millennium was all quite strong, and since Rebirth her books have also been consistently good.

But she doesn't have a lot of super successful out-of-continuity runs or miniseries like Batman and Superman have.
So for Wonder Woman, her best comics are just the highest quality parts of her various on-goings.
So they lack a definitive start and end. Much harder to share and talk about then say The Dark Knight Returns or All Star Superman.
Anonymous No.150153978 >>150154079
>>150152770 (OP)
>Why is wonder woman so popular
She really isn't
Anonymous No.150154004
>>150152770 (OP)
Pity
Anonymous No.150154016 >>150159206
>>150153970
Early George Perez WW from the '80 is some of the best stuff DC ever published.
Anonymous No.150154068
>>150152770 (OP)
Hot woman, star spangled bikini
Anonymous No.150154079 >>150154094
>>150153978
Yeah she's more 'famous' than popular.
While she is still loved as a concept by many women and girls, and has the potential for a larger fanbase or popularity, the amount of people who genuinely read her comic books, know about her character at all, and would actively call themselves 'fans' of her is very, very small.

Because her comic books have always been seen as more of a girly thing, despite them being basically the same shit of every superhero, most existing comic book nerds don't know about Diana, nor really like her.
So in practice, if you got DC fans to list their favorite characters from the DC universe, she may not even be in the top ten.

I quite like Wonder Woman though.
Anonymous No.150154094 >>150163282 >>150176979
>>150154079
>I quite like Wonder Woman though.
Me too, anon. Me too.
Anonymous No.150154142 >>150161266
>>150153970
>Her post crisis run up to around the new millennium was all quite strong
lol no
not even Perez' run maintained quality past the origin
Anonymous No.150154150
>>150152881
nothing wrong with that since it's the best version
Anonymous No.150154173 >>150154274 >>150160905 >>150164311 >>150208599
>>150153970
>But she doesn't have a lot of super successful out-of-continuity runs or miniseries like Batman and Superman have
this, you're the only one here with a brain. Wonder Woman has a bunch of well-esteemed runs but she's not "popular" the same way as the other two is because she doesn't have something like All-Star Superman or a billion animated adaptations that help audiences become familiar with her supporting and villain cast without having to read aa mainline comic (that may or may not require context, the uncertainty is what puts off people from trying mainline comics). The closest she has is either Earth One, which is closer to Marston's run rather than the contemporary Wonder Woman people usually think of, or The Legend of Wonder Woman which isn't all that popular or well-written. Diana has always had consistently good comics, it's just that for newcomers the only source of standalone media they can consume are the Lynda Carter show or the DCEU (or something worse like Injustice), which gives the false impression that she's not popular. And as we know /co/ doesn't read comics so even the retards here think Wonder Woman isn't popular just like the normies on TikTok, or claim that Harley Quinn is bigger than her.
Anonymous No.150154274 >>150160905
>>150154173
In general, even if you do read on-going comics, it's hard to really recommend any particular arc or issue. Mini-series are, by far, easier to begin and share.

Like let's use Jimmy Olsen as an example.
If I were making a video, or a short, or even just recommending a comic of Jimmy Olsen to another person, it would be way easier to just say "Read the 'Who killed Jimmy Olsen' maxi-series." Than "Idk I personally think that issue 64 of Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen is pretty good."

I mean, in general, when the hell do you here people recommend any random issue from the middle of a run?
What Superman fan has ever recommended a Superman comic by saying "Issue 689 of Action Comics is pretty good." Or a Batman fan saying "You should check out issue 32 of volume 4 of Batman."

And unfortunately for Wonder Woman, all of her mini series are pretty bad. Amazon's Attack is fucking terrible, and Wonder Woman (ironically) barely shows up in it. Earth One somehow managed to make William Marston's original run appear subtle, and often these books don't even get her characterization right.
Anonymous No.150154956
>>150153176
This. Wonder Woman is a great counter to Superman's idealism and batman's down to earth approaches. Wonder woman is a warrior and the only reason she doesn't go for the kill when she fights alongside them is due to respect.
Anonymous No.150154968
>>150152770 (OP)
being an icon is a lot more than just stories or comics anon
Anonymous No.150154986 >>150164165 >>150167991 >>150198528
>>150152907
Yeah about Harley's popularity....
Anonymous No.150155690
>>150152770 (OP)
ass
Anonymous No.150155724
Amazonium3D
Anonymous No.150155743
>>150152770 (OP)
Industry plant
Anonymous No.150155751 >>150156100 >>150164504
>>150153176
>she's a great supporting character
Nail, meet head. Even in her better runs (Perez), Wonder Woman was usually the least interesting character in her own comics.
>isn't a regular human like Batman
>doesn't have a human upbringing like Superman, Flash, Aquaman, and Green Lantern
>doesn't have relatable or entertaining personality traits like Martian Manhunter
She has a job as a diplomat from a fictional society of immortal warrior-women, and her personality switches from Xena to Disney Princess to Plank of Wood depending on who's writing. How anyone is supposed to have any feeling for her is beyond me.
Anonymous No.150155822
>>150153176
Eh. I wouldn't go that far.
Anonymous No.150156065 >>150157795
>>150152770 (OP)
She is very very popular with Hornballs and Woman, which was the nature of her design and existence to be fair.

Also she kind of monopolized the female superhero concept since her entire creation is geared towards being just that, it’s like Superman with the word “Super”- you have to care about him even if he’s not really that entertaining and remains a relic of the past.

Wonder Woman is meant to simultaneously be a feminist symbol and a degenarate’s wet dream, this hypocrisy not only makes it impossible to create good stories centered around her, but utterly pointless as well. Because that’s not why her fans buy her merchandise
Anonymous No.150156082 >>150189612
>>150153774
>I'm not seeing any sources for your claim of normies ever buying WW either.
They sold them on the newsstand.
Anonymous No.150156100 >>150157732
>>150155751
>>Even in her better runs (Perez), Wonder Woman was usually the least interesting character in her own comics.
>picks the genesis of Wonder Woman being the most boring character around, that informed everything going forward
>is surprised that she is the most boring character around
try not reading post-crisis dogshit
Anonymous No.150157119 >>150157240 >>150157362 >>150191327
>>150152881
People who didn't experience Wonder Woman smiling at them every week will never get it
Anonymous No.150157240 >>150158348 >>150164519
>>150157119
Lynda Carter aged very well
Anonymous No.150157362
>>150157119
mid
Anonymous No.150157684
>>150152770 (OP)
Reverse potential man meme.
Anonymous No.150157723
>>150152770 (OP)
when i was younger i really wanted a doll of her despite not reading any story’s about her or knowing about her at all, i just think it was the whole ‘feminist’ vibe they were trying to have her give off
Anonymous No.150157732 >>150158842
>>150156100
>go read some pre-Crisis slop for 5 year-olds
Anonymous No.150157795
>>150156065
>Wonder Woman is meant to simultaneously be a feminist symbol and a degenarate’s wet dream, this hypocrisy not only makes it impossible to create good stories centered around her, but utterly pointless as well
Anon... did you ever head about what women write?
Anonymous No.150157895
>>150152770 (OP)
Wondie works better as a secondary character
Anonymous No.150157968 >>150158002
What about wonder woman blood?
Anonymous No.150158002 >>150158115
>>150157968
Is it her time of the month already?
Anonymous No.150158115 >>150158190
>>150158002
The new 52.
Anonymous No.150158190 >>150158304
>>150158115
The joke
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Your head
Anonymous No.150158304
>>150158190
It wasn't funny.
Anonymous No.150158348 >>150158755 >>150163308 >>150173320 >>150178222 >>150207870
>>150157240
Anonymous No.150158374 >>150159367 >>150178222 >>150195008 >>150207870 >>150227491 >>150232920
My...that's a big one.
Anonymous No.150158755 >>150173320
>>150158348
Linda Carter isn't white
Anon the Solar Scribe No.150158842
>>150157732

And you go watch your post Flashpoint Slop.
Anonymous No.150159206 >>150167241
>>150154016
>tattoos
Disgusting
Anonymous No.150159291 >>150159560 >>150159678 >>150162901
Why does every WW thread have to start with some negative shitpost?
Anonymous No.150159367
>>150158374
I'm reminded of how they set up Wonder Woman meeting the last Amazon for the third movie. I wonder what that would have been like.
Anonymous No.150159378 >>150161976 >>150162921
>>150152770 (OP)

She's not popular at all. DC just persistently pretends she is. No one buys her comics.
Anonymous No.150159424
Wonder Woman works better in publicity art, advertising, covers etc. than in stories, and it so happens that more people will encounter them that way than in comics.

She’s an impossibly beautiful woman with a magic lasso, magic bracelets and an American flag bathing suit. Everyone who sees a drawing of her remembers what she looks like.

There may be superheroes who break this rule but I think like if you make a list of the most famous superheroes, they’re usually heroes who are iconic and memorable in still drawings or even silhouettes. Wolverine, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman tell you everything important about them from the way they pose and their accessories (claws, webbing, utility belt). Wonder Woman can compete with them on that level, that’s why the title sequence of the TV show was based on showing how Lynda Carter looked like a drawing of the character come to life.

Her comic stories aren’t very memorable but that’s not what makes a superhero world-famous.
Anonymous No.150159560 >>150159579
>>150159291
It is the fastest way to get engagement.
Anonymous No.150159579
>>150159560
That, or lust provoking image
Anonymous No.150159678
>>150159291
Every WW thread should be about her being into lolis
Anonymous No.150160905 >>150163031 >>150168659
>>150153970
>>150154173
>>150154274
Her post-Crisis ongoings were still worse than those of Superman, Batman, Aquaman and Flash, for the sake of big name heroes. Her entire Silver Age was absolute trash compared to all of them as well. Not that DC Silver Age anything was particularly good, but Superman at least had the odd good story, and Flash/Green Lantern had most of their important facets created then. Wonder Woman does have the most interesting Golden Age stories though out of any DC stuff (if we aren’t retroactively counting Plastic Man as DC).

Her problem is that she lacks a distinct characterization. Superman and Batman do. Even among variations, they’re generally well understood. Wonder Woman on the other hand is constantly being retooled, like every new writer wants to reinvent her. The blueprint created by Marston, with the focus on love and “gentle domination” isn’t exactly universal as a concept, so writers take her in different directions. Her most popular take is unfortunately the warrior princess one, where she’s willing to kill where other heroes won’t, which ultimately feels like trying to compensate to male audiences so they aren’t embarrassed to read a female hero.

So she will always remain the quintessential super-heroine, the feminist icon, the third of DCs Trinity, but without a core characterization, she will never have stories with the same depth as the prestigious miniseries that Superman, Batman, or any other heroes have.
Anonymous No.150160941
>>150152947
Harley's popularity largely came down to being a popular Halloween costume and a potential Deadpool for DC
Anonymous No.150161150 >>150161266
>>150152770 (OP)
>if she doesn't have any good or interesting stories?

Among the trinity she has been the only one able to keep a consistent quality in her comics going from mid in the worst case to peak for many decades. Warner not doing good adaptations or you not reading comics it's another thing.
Anonymous No.150161266 >>150161942
>>150161150
>peak for many decades
see >>150154142
Anonymous No.150161774
>>150152770 (OP)
Femdom
Anonymous No.150161942
>>150161266
While I disagree with this it doesn't disprove my point, I called consistency, if the story is an 8/10 at the beginning but later dropped to a 6-7/10 and once another writter came it became good again it has been consistent.
This isn't the case for Superman or Batman. Superman's only good run since new 52 has been Tomasi with everything else being trash and Batman has been shit for almost 20 years meanwhile Wonder Woman drops multiple kinos in every decade and rarely has bad runs/storylines.
Anonymous No.150161976 >>150162721 >>150210926 >>150211390
>>150159378
>No one buys her comics.
I bought every volume of Earth One, as well as Evolution. I've also bought at least eight omnibuses of WW ranging from the Golden age to Messner-Loebs, Jimenez, and Gail Simone. Even the New 52 stuff and the 60's mod kung fu arc.

She needs more prestige/non canon stories. I've just bought the stuff I was able to research and see if it was good. I'd buy an omnibus of Joe Kelly JLA just for the Wonderbat stuff.

In the neo-sex positivity/Sydney Sweeney era we're in now, they need to go all in with the kink stuff like Marston did and make her look like an Instagram fitness model, but make it dynamic and more action-y. It's time to stop letting danger hairs control this industry.
Anonymous No.150162467
Azzarello Wonder Woman was a good run, Amazon rape aside
Anonymous No.150162504
>>150152907
>drunk Supergril fanfiction.
I am ok with this
Anonymous No.150162721 >>150162840
>>150161976
>I bought every volume of Earth One
Anonymous No.150162840 >>150162964 >>150167219 >>150169439 >>150222918
>>150162721
The art was sexy, and I like Morrison's writing.
Anonymous No.150162901 >>150167214 >>150228320
>>150159291
There's a lot of people on /co/ who are really passionate 'fans' of superheroes without ever reading an actual fucking comic book.
These people are annoyed with Wonder Woman for some retarded reason, like her being too tough/mean on the Justice League show, or her being a feminist, or her winning some imaginary 'vs battle' or something equally retarded, and decide from that that Wonder Woman is a dumb character who they hate.

People get especially proud about being completely ignorant of one of the most popular and famous superheroes of all time with her.
Anonymous No.150162921 >>150169276 >>150208599
>>150159378
>No one buys her comics.
Absolute Wonder Woman has semi-consistently outsold Spider-Man and her mainline book is also within the top 100 at the 24th issue. And that's not even a particularly well-liked run.

Wonder Woman, basically always, is the number 1 best selling woman-led solo book month after month since fucking 1941
Anonymous No.150162964 >>150169475
>>150152857
>>150162840
She's BUILD FOR, if you know what I mean
Anonymous No.150163031
>>150160905
>. Not that DC Silver Age anything was particularly good
Hey Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane were some of the most fun comic books ever publish. Fucking ridiculous bullshit happened all the time, they are some of the most entertaining things put to print.

I think, especially when compared to some of the other, more serious, comic books of the 60s and 50s, the silver age cover-bait slop are probably still the most compelling to go back to.

>[Wonder Woman's] problem is that she lacks a distinct characterization
She did have one, those original comics by William Moulton Marston have a very compelling, entertaining, and funny Wonder Woman who is definitely the stand out of her own comics.
But ever since people have really waffled over what her personality should be, which really hurts her.
Justice League stories usually make her the harsh, tough warrior woman to have better banter with Batman and Superman, but that is almost never embraced in her own comics.

I also think Wonder Woman has an issue with a lack of a solid, consistent status quo and side cast.
The Silver age really bounced around with her having different jobs, and Steve Trevor and Etta Candy occasionally being absent or dead for long stretches of time.
George Perez added to this problem a lot by aging up Steve Trevor, and giving Wondie a whole new supporting cast and new jobs to boot.

This is a big issue since it limits the concept of a Wonder Woman adventure to just variations of her origin story. Whereas Batman and Superman's strong status quo's naturally lead themselves to more stories.
Anonymous No.150163054 >>150164002
>>150152947
Harley was pushed really hard since, unlike Wonder Woman who's fans are mostly rather normal women and girls, Harley briefly attracted the attention of a whole new crowd of mentally deficient obsessives who, DC hoped, could actually be converted to life-long fans.
Anonymous No.150163162
The trinity tier list for normies. Batman is a pure idea people get it:
>Parents killed, trains and finds a symbol, becomes the Dark Knight.
>Batman is cool and dark and mature.
When it gets to Superman they begin to have issues:
>They get desperate scientists, last hope, kindly couple, Superman.
>But then he has A LOT of power and people focus on things like this.
>He feels goofy to some or from a by gone era.
By the time we get to Wonder Woman:
>She is a logo more than idea.
>Something, something female empowerment.
>She feels very tied down (pun intended) by her origin.
>Something, something invisible jets (corny/goofy).
Now before anyone bites my head off, this is like normie tier perception and of course one good adaption series could probably set people on a good path with Wonder Woman. Every superhero has "mess" in their continuity and the best heroes have a lot of mess ignored. But a lot of the ideals underpinning her feel harder for people to get because of this perceived mess. But she is still there, with history, with logo, with name recognition, with past adaptations.
Anonymous No.150163240
>>150152770 (OP)
>Why is wonder woman so popular?
Wonder body
Anonymous No.150163282
>>150154094
kek funny panel
Anonymous No.150163308
>>150158348
lol perfect reaction
Anonymous No.150164002 >>150168958
>>150163054
clearly that failed lol, they're pivoting to Supergirl now and I prefer that
Anonymous No.150164165 >>150166725
>>150154986
Please tell me that's not official.
ISleepNow !!6Ab0mW+kv0A No.150164176 >>150164406
>>150152770 (OP)
It's so weird. I never read her comics growing up because they were for girls but right now, I've been spending the evening writing a '13th Labor' story for her. So strange..
>>150152881
my puberty thanks her, particularly in that wet suit
Anonymous No.150164311 >>150164471 >>150167190
>>150154173
Grant "All-Star Superman and Bat Epic" Morrison failed to write a popular out-of-continuity run for Wonder Woman because she doesn't have a good comic in her.
Anonymous No.150164406
>>150164176
>my puberty thanks her, particularly in that wet suit
The what now?
Anonymous No.150164432 >>150167948 >>150180615
>>150152907
Honestly, Zatanna is right there--she has the iconic look, is easy to cosplay, has a quirky personality, and checks the “strong woman” box.
Anonymous No.150164471
>>150164311
"A League of One" was pretty damn good.
Anonymous No.150164478
>>150152770 (OP)
shes fucking sexy and her powerful domineering attitude speaks to all comic readers who got into the hobby as children, you could say its a bit of sexual indoctrination even. For a lot of people she caused our sexual awakening.
Anonymous No.150164486 >>150180595
>>150153701
long nosed tattoed burqa wearing bitch
Anonymous No.150164504
>>150155751
*wrestles you and ties you up*
you were saying?
Anonymous No.150164519
>>150157240
Anonymous No.150164562 >>150164701 >>150165899
she's based
Anonymous No.150164701
>>150164562
Anonymous No.150164891 >>150164960
>>150152770 (OP)
These threads turned into a """stealth""" Wonder Woman general and you know it, OP.
Anonymous No.150164960
>>150164891
Not OP, but I don’t mind. Always nice to talk about her.
Anonymous No.150165017 >>150165076 >>150172968
>>150153065
This. Hence why every time some feminist cunt tries to write Wondy as frumpy and feminist, no one buys it. Diana is cute, honest, and kind, and ridiculously hot. Anything less gets rejected.
Anonymous No.150165076
>>150165017
Damn, she has a nice ass
Anonymous No.150165899
>>150164562
when animated DC had a soul
Anonymous No.150166111
She's a meaningless sex icon quota for men with masculine overtones that appease superhero fan tastes. She's a copwrate symbol than a icon, just like Mickey and just is their to showcase other superior characters like Superman and Batmans importance given shes more inflexible than them.
Anonymous No.150166123
Because she's hot
Anonymous No.150166154
>>150152770 (OP)
yeah i also have a question about her. she started her own team for the title Justice League: Dark. the only reasons i'd be interested in reading it is because i love swamp-thing and man-bat. anyone know if that arc is any good or have a good opinion of it?
Anonymous No.150166331 >>150168979
I've not read WW before, but as I understand it people really like her Golden Age comics, yeah? But because of how simultaneously BDSM-horny they were, people kept trying to reinvent it to be palatable for "modern" audiences.

I tried a bit of the Golden Age stuff, I think the tone is fun and I like Wonder Woman's personality (and Etta Candy is hilarious).
I like Fun Wonder Woman. Never liked the stone-cold WW from stuff like the DCAU.

Was there a single WW comic (let's say, since the 70s maybe) that matched the tone of the Golden Age comics?
Anonymous No.150166677
Anonymous No.150166725
>>150164165
It is. There was a fuss about it a few months ago. The entire comic is about farting.
Anonymous No.150167008 >>150167053 >>150167281
>>150152881
>>150153065
Basically these two, her original comics are unreadable.
Anonymous No.150167053
>>150167008
>Basically these two, her original comics are unreadable
I found them pretty enjoyable, the soft-core porn reputable is greatly exaggerated.
Anonymous No.150167190 >>150167529 >>150169016
>>150164311
Morrison failed at writing a popular out-of-continuity run for Wonder Woman because he had the bright idea to base it off of the Marston run with commentary on bondage and femdom rather than appeal to the regular public image of Wonder Woman, which largely hails from the Perez run and the Lynda Carter show and nowadays the DCEU
Anonymous No.150167214 >>150201973
>>150162901
/co/ not reading comics and being retarded about them is a running gag for so long it's not even funny anymore, it's just pitiful now. I don't know where else to go to just have honest discussions about comic books except a rare thread on this board that isn't immediately subsumed by ragebait and shitposts, and before anyone says Reddit it's even rarer to find a proper conversation thread there.
Anonymous No.150167219 >>150167240 >>150169064 >>150172986
>>150162840
did I miss something, why is Steve Trevor black?
Anonymous No.150167240 >>150170460
>>150167219
Social commentary comparing bondage to slavery.
Anonymous No.150167241
>>150159206
filtered, weak coward
Anonymous No.150167281
>>150167008
They're much more readable than Superman or Batman's golden age output. It fees like there's a more well formed idea as to what she and her story structure is compared to those two. To say nothing of a lot of other Golden age heroes.
Now the Kanigher stuff from the late 40's through the 70's(with a brief break of O'Neil, which isn't much better), that is a slog
Anonymous No.150167529 >>150167538 >>150170380
>>150167190
>because he had the bright idea to base it off of the Marston run with commentary on bondage and femdom rather than appeal to the regular public image of Wonder Woman, which largely hails from the Perez run and the Lynda Carter show and nowadays the DCEU
Basing it off the Marston run would have a lot of potential if you focus on the fun and whimsical stuff and not the overblown bondage aspect, which is greatly obsessed over.
Perez is fine, but it's also kinda stuffy fanboy comics from the era. It doens't really have universal appeal and I can't imagine little girls enjoying it.
Anonymous No.150167538
>>150167529
It was a Berger-edited comic, of course it wasn't meant for little girls. She did sophisticated stories for mature adults.
Anonymous No.150167948 >>150217894
>>150164432
based Zee appreciator.
The problem is that most comic writers arent able to write good stories heavily involving magic. I'd be down for a Zatanna ongoing from the same team that gave us the mini series this year.
Anonymous No.150167991
>>150154986
Moe’s Tavern?
Anonymous No.150168659 >>150169124
>>150160905
Anon, let me tell you something. Both Batman and Superman characterizations trough the Golden and the Silver age, until the Crisis were also pretty inconsistent.
Anonymous No.150168958
>>150164002
How are they 'pivoting'? Because she has a movie coming out next year?
Wonder Woman also has a movie coming out sometime soon
Anonymous No.150168979 >>150171639
>>150166331
I think the closest it's been replicated was the 70s tv show, and then her occasional roles on the cartoon Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Albeit I haven't read every Wonder Woman comic.
Anonymous No.150169016 >>150170380
>>150167190
He didn't even base it off of what actually made Wonder Woman popular with the Marston run.
Sure the BDSM subtext was rather overt and William Marston's Freudian-psychological lens is very noticeable, but what made her stand out was Wonder Woman's personality, and the whacky adventures she got on.

A Marston-esque run should be more focused on the romance of Wondie and Steve Trevor, on Etta Candy and Diana's friendship, on fantastical adventures with an emphasis on the psychological. And especially on Wonder Woman's unique and charming personality.
The BDSM thing was never narratively important to those old comics.
Anonymous No.150169064 >>150170460 >>150174721
>>150167219
Grant Morrison made him black in his 'Earth-One' story.
He wanted to play up bondage, so he made a connection to the slavery of Africans in the new world.
Also it may be a tip of the hat to Trevor Barnes, who was Wonder Woman's civilian love interest during her post-crises era who was black.
Anonymous No.150169124 >>150169199
>>150168659
True.
Really Batman didn't have a consistent characterization until the 1989 film.
And while Superman himself was firmly established with the 1978 film, Clark Kent, and his usual dynamic with his alter ego, wasn't fully established until the TV shows Lois & Clark and Smallville came about.

Wonder Woman never got a movie until 2017, so it's still kinda in the air for her. But I imagine the fish-out-of-water aspect, and the peaceful and kind warrior thing from that Gal Gadot movie will probably stick.
Anonymous No.150169199
>>150169124
None of these people have a consistent characterization even now, all at the whims of any individual editor or writer.
Anonymous No.150169276 >>150169953
>>150162921
>Absolute Wonder Woman has semi-consistently outsold Spider-Man
ASM or Ultimate? Impressive if she's outselling either (maybe both) though... Do you have a source?
Anonymous No.150169439
>>150162840
>wonder woman with a nigger
Disgusting.
Anonymous No.150169475
>>150162964
Mutts law
Anonymous No.150169931
>>150152770 (OP)
Sex appeal
Anonymous No.150169953
>>150169276
This is data from months ago, the first 6 issues or so, you can look at the data by months.
She would occasionally outsell both, and consistently outsold ASM until recently because layman are more interested since Paul and MJ broke up
Anonymous No.150170380
>>150167529
>Basing it off the Marston run would have a lot of potential if you focus on the fun and whimsical stuff
that's fair but for an All-Star Superman analogue to Wonder Woman I still think Perez should be the blueprint over Marston, since that's the contemporary image of Wonder Woman in mainstream
>>150169016
correct, hence why I don't exactly consider Earth-One a failure, but it's not the same as All-Star Superman
Anonymous No.150170460
>>150167240
>>150169064
right, I get the intention but I don't like it, I didn't like Trevor Barnes either. not that I have anything against blacks, I enjoy Stewart GL, but keep Steve Trevor white
Anonymous No.150170918 >>150172934
>>150152770 (OP)
tits and ass
Anonymous No.150171639
>>150168979
Ahh, that's a shame. What're the other runs like then, generally, that people enjoy?
Anonymous No.150172934
>>150170918
And legs
Anonymous No.150172968
>>150165017
wording this post
Anonymous No.150172983 >>150173366 >>150173904 >>150175457 >>150176455 >>150178671 >>150211887
Why do all her love interests suck?
Anonymous No.150172986 >>150185651
>>150167219
theres a scene at the end of the first arc where he vouches for diana on trial by saying his people were slaves or something. It works when you read it but idk why they insist he has to be ugly as fuck.
Anonymous No.150173285 >>150177151
>>150152770 (OP)
There’s nothing feminine about modern Wonder Woman. She represents masculine virtues and the patriarchy better than any of the male superheroes.
Anonymous No.150173320
>>150158348
>>150158755
Everyone is white next to Gayle
Anonymous No.150173361
>>150152770 (OP)
Boobs and thighs.
Anonymous No.150173366
>>150172983
Because none of them are lolis
Anonymous No.150173904 >>150174664 >>150175457 >>150175478 >>150178864 >>150189161
>>150172983
Steve Trevor is fine.
Though he is rather underused. All they need to do is make him a fun character and nice, but they don't really do that for some reason.
Anonymous No.150174523 >>150174701 >>150177980
Anonymous No.150174611 >>150174701
Anonymous No.150174664 >>150175478 >>150178864 >>150186538
>>150173904
Like WW, the writers don't actually know what to do with him, so they default to generic soldier characterization.
Anonymous No.150174690
>>150152770 (OP)
Her design anon. Pretty much it despite 60 years of publication and nothing to show for it besides her looks.
Anonymous No.150174701 >>150202647
That scene with Wonder Woman and Atom in the justice league cartoon awoke the giantess fetish in me.
>>150174523
>>150174611
They really like making cheetah job to Diana.
Anonymous No.150174721 >>150178181
>>150169064
It's funny because black dudes have no problems engaging in race play when it comes to an attractive white woman. Shout out Shannon Sharpe.
Anonymous No.150175457
>>150172983
>>150173904
Steve is top 3 comic love interests
Anonymous No.150175478 >>150175591 >>150178264 >>150178328 >>150178365 >>150178864
>>150173904
>>150174664
Perez wanting Superman to be her love interest fucked over Steve and set the character’s core dynamic on an aimless path.
Anonymous No.150175513
>>150152770 (OP)
Nobody takes female superheroes seriously. They exist to wear skimpy suits and show off their tits and ass.
Anonymous No.150175591 >>150176825 >>150177084 >>150178238 >>150186645
>>150175478
Pre-Crisis Diana/Steve had become toxic desu. That awful idea in Wonder Woman 1984 where Wonder Woman wishes Steve back to life and he possesses some innocent guy and she has no problem with this? That's what was happening in Wonder Woman comics in 1984, only the guy he was possessing was an alternate reality Steve Trevor. Eventually their memories were merged, but that was so awful I can't blame them for deciding "No romance with Steve this time, he can have Etta."
Anonymous No.150175905 >>150183633 >>150211945
Anonymous No.150176397 >>150176625
I dunno anything about WW comics besides the Golden Age stuff, what is the Perez run like compared to that? What is the tone, what does it focus on etc?
Anonymous No.150176452
Anonymous No.150176455 >>150177262 >>150177354 >>150177926 >>150179700 >>150184759 >>150192759 >>150211887 >>150223707 >>150225256
>>150172983
She makes a very good couple with Bruce
Anonymous No.150176625 >>150176699
>>150176397
reads like an afterschool special
Anonymous No.150176699 >>150177052
>>150176625
I don't know what that is.
Anonymous No.150176825
>>150175591
so? it's a reboot, you know, when you can ignore past retardation, not add to it
Anonymous No.150176933 >>150177160
>>150152770 (OP)
I think it might have something to do with Marston's deal with DC that they could use the character with strings attached. That limited the use of Wonder Woman by DC.
Anonyrnous No.150176979
>>150154094
Wonder Woman should take a chill pill
Anonymous No.150177052
>>150176699
nta, but very wordy and preachy
Anonymous No.150177084 >>150177198 >>150178238
>>150175591
That's like saying they should've made MJ an old woman married to an older Flash Thompson because of the last 18 years of Spider-man comics. . Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
He made two of her biggest supporting characters boring old people meant to tip the hat to her history and be written off. Steve and Etta represent two important parts of fiction for women- the incredibly handsome, somewhat unattainable hot guy and the fun but less hot friend. In their place came characters who are ok, but not particularly memorable.
Anonymous No.150177151 >>150177168
>>150173285
Kek. Shit takes like this have 0 self-awareness whatsoever. What's a feminine virtue? Being loving? Quick. Someone tell Superman he's too effeminate and needs more masculine virtues!
Anonymous No.150177160
>>150176933
made up excuse
Anonymous No.150177168
>>150177151
>Someone tell Superman he's too effeminate and needs more masculine virtues!
Snyder fans are on it
Anonymous No.150177198 >>150177693
>>150177084
to be fair Steve at least was written well
now he's back into the fold but he is a nothingburger because they are always walking on eggshells when writing Wonder Woman
Anonymous No.150177262 >>150177354
>>150176455
>Someone is shittalking Steve
>Look inside
>It's a batshill
Anonymous No.150177354 >>150180029
>>150176455
>>150177262
We don't hate batretards enough.
Anonymous No.150177454
>>150152857
She posted a 'jak in a frog thread.
Anonymous No.150177632
Actually think Absolute Doctor Poison should be the main Earth Poison. Sentient gas inside a old school containment suit is such a better concept than what she is in mainline
Anonymous No.150177693 >>150178211 >>150186427
>>150177198
What do you think about the way DC Superhero Girls presented the Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor relationship?
Anonymous No.150177926 >>150180029
>>150176455
no kys
Anonymous No.150177980
>>150174523
cheetah got bolt on tits godayum she must have been super insecure
Anonymous No.150178181
>>150174721
>my only knowledge of black people comes from bbc porn and celeb headlines
Anonymous No.150178184 >>150178225 >>150178236 >>150195890
just make her a dyke
Anonymous No.150178211
>>150177693
it was okay
Anonymous No.150178222
>>150158348
>>150158374
Wait... have they actually grown even more with the years?
Anonymous No.150178225
>>150178184
Diana's got a nice ass.
Anonymous No.150178236
>>150178184
>The Writer's Barely-Disguised Fetish.jpg
Anonymous No.150178238
>>150175591
almost like the whole point of Crisis was to erase goofy shit that went on for too long and do things anew again. >>150177084 is right, that's only an excuse for DC wanting to have Superman date Wonder Woman because they had no ideas and were being weird about it. remember when they really tried to have Diana lose her virginity to Clark to no avail?
Anonymous No.150178264 >>150178336
>>150175478
Did anything even come from that ever? I've been reading through some Post-Crisis stuff and Diana having unrequited feelings for Clark still comes up every once in a while, even into the 2000's.
Anonymous No.150178328 >>150178365 >>150178864
>>150175478
>Superman/Wonder Woman
I've never liked that pairing. Does it have anything going for it other than:
>These two can have sex without sending the other to the hospital with a broken pelvis/punctured cervix
Honest question, believe it or not.
Anonymous No.150178336
>>150178264
>Did anything even come from that ever?
Superman and Wonder Woman were a thing for most of New 52 until the pre-Flashpoint/post-Crisis Clark and Lois came back and Rebirth happened
Anonymous No.150178365 >>150178461
>>150175478
>>150178328
I like the pairing only when it is set in the future and they need a shoulder to mourn on once their mortal love interest (Steve and Lois) pass away finding happiness again.
Anonymous No.150178382
>>150152770 (OP)
Women wanting a chick and coomers.

Yes, that's actually it.
Anonymous No.150178392
>>150152857
It's always the jews, then.
Anonymous No.150178461
>>150178365
basically it's only ever worked in Kingdom Come. that's not to say this premise would work every time though, it needs good writing to supplement it as usual.
Anonymous No.150178671 >>150178914 >>150179758 >>150202493
>>150172983
Feminists are not capable of love
Anonymous No.150178864 >>150178914 >>150178927
>>150173904
>>150174664
playing trevor off as the spoof of a james bond type of bumbling superspy that diana always has to get out of trouble would be a good way to modernize the character but you'd definitely have people screeching about that being "woke".

>>150175478
>>150178328
of all the shit parings in comics superman & wonder woman is the least offensive imo. like yeah it sucks but it's not hal & ariasa or bruce & barbera bad.
Anonymous No.150178914 >>150202493
>>150178671
>t. redditoid incel
>>150178864
the pairing is bad not because of the actual couple but because it trivializes everything else about their love interests and has no solid ground except "the two superpowered members of the trinity are dating because why not". it feels inauthentic at best, writer's fetish at worst
Anonymous No.150178927 >>150212020
>>150178864
>superman & wonder woman is the least offensive imo
You are not wrong, but the problem is that I think it is the most well known bad pairing, even if it is not a constant for both the comic reader and the general audience.

Even Barbara Bruce is relatively unknown, specially compared to other Batpairings. I still remember the outrage when animated Killing Joke happened and people learned Barbara and Bruce fucking was actually a thing.
Anonymous No.150179557 >>150182033
>>150152770 (OP)
>Why is *batman so popular if he doesn't have any good or interesting stories?
ftfy
Anonymous No.150179700 >>150179727
>>150176455
that makes me feel ill
Anonymous No.150179727
>>150179700
average reaction to interacting with a Batfag tbf
Anonymous No.150179758
>>150178671
subject matter expert over here
Anonymous No.150179762 >>150180100 >>150181800 >>150182774
>>150152770 (OP)
Reminder that the real Trinity is Superman, Batman and Flash.
Anonymous No.150180029 >>150180186 >>150212020
>>150177354
>>150177926
Cope
Anonymous No.150180100
>>150179762
>Flashfag still coping
you guys will never cease to amuse me with your delusions
Anonymous No.150180186 >>150180986
>>150180029
that's it? that's your defense in favor of WonderBats? lmao this is pathetic "cope"
Anonymous No.150180595 >>150194606
>>150164486
She's wearing a cape because she's walking inside a damp, dirty labyrinth.
Anonymous No.150180615 >>150183052 >>150184532 >>150188943 >>150189479
>>150164432
The world needs World Finest Wonder Woman and Zatanna
Anonymous No.150180986 >>150181781 >>150212020
>>150180186
Also because they are the two best characters of anything that has been done about the Justice League and both complement each other very well and have great chemistry.
Anonymous No.150181588
>>150152770 (OP)
Wonder of Woman
Anonymous No.150181781 >>150211506 >>150212020
>>150180986
>both complement each other very well
all three of the Trinity do
>have great chemistry
same as above, it's just not romantic chemistry however
I like the flirty conversations but it won't go anywhere, their worlds are too different and they work better as colleagues. Timm really poisoned an entire generation into thinking WonderBats works just by including a couple of dialogues and his universe having wide-reaching influence on audiences. Wonder Woman, like Superman or Spider-Man or a gazillion other heroes, shines best when her love interest is a "regular" person roped into their adventures who grounds them and gives them mundane, peaceful purpose outside of crimefighting. any love interest of Diana that isn't Steve Trevor is just AU/fanfic territory
Anonymous No.150181800
>>150179762
>and Flash
Anonymous No.150182033 >>150182051
>>150179557
There are a lot of great and popular Batman stories. Wonder Woman has a few herself, but they don't have the broad appeal of Batman's. She's just an interesting looking mascot to most people.
Anonymous No.150182051
>>150182033
don't respond to the obvious bait anon
Anonymous No.150182774 >>150182874 >>150183519
>>150179762
>Reminder that the real Trinity is Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Flash.
FTFY
Anonymous No.150182874
>>150182774
Lmao
Anonymous No.150183052
>>150180615
based
Anonymous No.150183514
>>150152770 (OP)
She is not an never really has been popular the only reason WW still gets comics since the 60s is because DC loses the rights to her is they don't make a comic every single month.
Anonymous No.150183519
>>150182774
that's a big bike
Anonymous No.150183633
>>150175905
nice pubes
Anonymous No.150184532
>>150180615
That was kind of awesome.
Anonymous No.150184759
>>150176455
>photo on the wall
kek
Anonymous No.150185651
>>150172986
>It works when you read it but idk why they insist he has to be ugly as fuck
it's a shame because the book genuinely has gorgeous art and faces but for some reason black Steve Trevor just looks like shit every panel he appears in
Anonymous No.150186427
>>150177693
It's a decent gag. That whole show often satirizes and exaggerates DC, and this is a good example of that.
Anonymous No.150186538 >>150186682
>>150174664
True.
Him being really hyper macho, or a tough-as-nails marine just doesn't really work.
Steve should be a mirror to Wonder Woman, a person who is a trained soldier, but peaceful by nature. Disciplined and tough, but compassionate.

Steve Trevor and Diana should be able to relate to each other.
In general I think Steve is an exceptional man for Diana. Diana is interested in men and masculinity, since it's a more novel thing for her, but isn't interested in its negatives or men who feel insecure about her power.
Steve should be a strong man with manly interests and personality traits who is never insecure and feels totally comfortable being in Diana's shadow.

Then all that needs to be done is to make Steve fun outside of being Diana's dreamboat
Anonymous No.150186645 >>150186682 >>150186825
>>150175591
Superman and Lois Lane were horrifically toxic during the whole of pre-crises continuity.
Superman used his robots to spank Lois Lane to teach her a lesson, and Lois once went back to time to Krypton and sexually assaulted Kal-El as a baby.

But when Superman was rebooted, they just ignored all that.
It would have been much better for Wonder Woman's character if George Perez kept Steve as the main love interest and just made their relationship modern and more genuinely romantic.
Anonymous No.150186682
>>150186538
>>150186645
you two get it
Anonymous No.150186825
>>150186645
Women loved that though, Superman's Girlfriend was published for 16 years before getting folded into Superman Family which lasted another 8. Steve/Diana ended poorly even with its "happy" ending and there was no way it would ever not end poorly.
Anonymous No.150187813 >>150188467 >>150195338
>>150152770 (OP)
>Why is wonder woman so popular if she doesn't have any good or interesting stories?
>Carried by association with Batman and Superman
>First superheroine
>fapbait
literally thats it
ask any normie to name two villians, one love interest that isn't Steven Trevor, what Themiscira is, an iconic run, and iconic panel, anything.
they don't know shit besides her bracelets and lasso
she is the biggest fucking industry plant in all of history
Anonymous No.150188467 >>150188506
>>150187813
She really not, it that the rights to WW and all her stuff are on lease to DC on the condition they make a WW comic every month. They would have thrown her into the garbage bin a long time ago if if they where not required to use her.
Anonymous No.150188506
>>150188467
It's not like Wonder Woman's book has ever done cancellation numbers. Historically, it's done decent enough.
Anonymous No.150188668
>>150152770 (OP)
Same reason Mickey Mouse is. She's the first big Superheroine and represented 2nd wave feminism in the mid 20th century.
Now is she interesting? Not really, but then again so much of DC superheroes could be put under that umbrella. DC has attempted many times to bring her back to fame without the aid of being a trio set or sidekick to Batman and Superman, but outside of the 2017 movie, this has all but failed.
>>150152881
This plays a bigger role then most people realize. Go to any casino and you'll find member machines with Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman on them which all the 50+ people know of.
Anonymous No.150188943
>>150180615
>Vixen
Anonymous No.150189161
>>150173904
Steve is canonically the best guy in the world
Anonymous No.150189479
>>150180615
Putting Tasha on this is a really obscure pull
Anonymous No.150189612
>>150153722
>>150156082
Just a little food for thought: two years before Batman Year One, so around 1985, Batman had all time low sales of 75,000 issues a month. Batman Year One sold on average 193,000 copies an issue and was considered a big hit. Since then the trade sales have obviously been massive. In 2024, Absolute Batman #1 had a first print run of 250,000 copies but combining sales of second, third and B/W print runs it has sold around 400,000 issues. Now this comparison obviously has a bunch of caveats, Absolute Batman is a #1 issue and there are various factors involved. But it does show you that a best selling book is usually counted in hundreds of thousands.

>newsstand
I know anons on /co/ have a hard on for newsstand but they don't realise:
>Newsstand distribution was really bad.
>Unsold copies weren't sent back or destroyed, at first they only sent back ripped front covers then nothing at all.
>Unsold copies were sold on, meaning consumers got damaged books and companies didn't get reliable sales figures which informed future print runs.
>The local distributors were unreliable in how many copies each newsstand got because distribution was usually done at some central location.
The whole reason publishers moved to the direct market was because newsstands saw comics as something with such low profit margins that they weren't worth bothering with in a reliable way. The direct market was considered a saviour of comics. I know the direct market and the comic book shop system now has huge problems and entrenched issues but those don't mean that newsstand distribution was "good".
Anonymous No.150191300
>>150152770 (OP)
Why do you all want Wonder Woman to succeed?
Anonymous No.150191327 >>150192259 >>150196894
>>150157119
My Lord, her eyes are so blue that they're practically clear. She has Jared Leto eyes but better because she's not a cunt.
Anonymous No.150192259 >>150195462
>>150191327
they are indeed blue
Anonymous No.150192759
>>150176455
This version of bruce fucks barbara on the regular though
Anonymous No.150194366
>>150152770 (OP)
I Wonder if this Woman has her own comics?
Anonymous No.150194606
>>150180595
I was referring to her body being completely covered not the cape, but you knew that.
Anonymous No.150195008
>>150158374
GILF supreme.
Anonymous No.150195338
>>150187813
/co/ proving once again that they never fucking read the comics they pretend to care about
Anonymous No.150195462
>>150192259
god she's so perfect
Anonymous No.150195890 >>150195929
>>150178184
Diana's always bisexual in my eyes, her soulmate and endgame is Steve Trevor but she isn't opposed to sex with her fellow Amazonians or indulge in Themysciran orgies
Anonymous No.150195929 >>150195996
>>150195890
Aren’t Themysciran orgies just lesbian orgies?
Anonymous No.150195996 >>150196151
>>150195929
that's what I meant, whether it's one-on-one lesbian sex or full-blown orgies, Diana would be more than happy to take part in if it's her fellow Amazonians
Anonymous No.150196151
>>150195996
It must be a cultural thing to have lesbian sex on the island
Anonymous No.150196609
>>150152770 (OP)
Who? Is she Harley Quinn's sidekick?
Anonymous No.150196660 >>150196680
The core problem, or I guess you could say the underlying reason, for why Wonder Woman's origin keeps getting retooled isn't because there isn't a definite version but rather due to the fact that most writers don't like it since it gets in the way of what they really want to do with her. See unlike with Batman and Superman where their origins and motivation to becoming superheroes are pretty basic and leaves lots of wiggle room for the direction of their characters, Wonder Woman not only is a bit more limiting but it also makes it definite that she is in love with a living character(most of the time). I didn't save the image but some anon posted an image showing of some page where Wonder Woman's origins were first officially confirmed and its about how Steve crashing at the island and falling in love with him is the primary reason she got the courage to leave and become a superhero.

So as you can see with that, unless they actually like/self insert as Steve, most of the writers would rather rewrite her origin so as to find a way to get Steve out of it so that they can have Wonder Woman end up with their OC or another DC character they self insert into without making her seem like a hoe. This is also why they flip flop on her being made of clay or a goddess, as that can makes it harder for them to make a "hypothetical" kid come from her and whatever guy they are setting her up with.
Anonymous No.150196680
>>150196660
Oh and I forgot to add that the writers who want to depict her as a "strong girl boss who needs no man" would want to write out Steve as well.
Anonymous No.150196894
>>150191327
pretty sure there's multiple blue-eyed people you could've compared her to without mentioning Jared Leto
Anonymous No.150196935 >>150197028 >>150197912 >>150204495 >>150205970 >>150208107 >>150226600
Anonymous No.150197028
>>150196935
I wanted to play this game but the grind and the slow responsiveness of being on Unity turned me away. shame because the art and renders look top tier
Anonymous No.150197912 >>150198991 >>150230593
>>150196935
who are the two on the right?
Anonymous No.150198101 >>150198546 >>150202150
>>150152770 (OP)
I prefer her dominatrix version
Anonymous No.150198528 >>150199426 >>150211411
>>150154986
It's still easier to sell normies on a Harley Quinn movie than a Wonder Woman movie.
Anonymous No.150198546 >>150201290
>>150198101
I thought thats the Shazam/Captain Marvel twisted sister. Also you are right, very hot.
>Tfw continously attracted to confident successfull women, but not very confident or successfull myself.
Anonymous No.150198991 >>150209310
>>150197912
Top one is Grail, daughter or Darkseid. The bottom one I believe is Peng Deilan, Chinese Or onder Woman.
Anonymous No.150199426 >>150200209
>>150198528
The 2017 WW movie is better than anything harley has been in since the batman animated series and the arkham games.
Anonymous No.150199476
>>150152857
DC refuses to shill her harder.
Anonymous No.150199694 >>150203545
>people want to fuck her
>she can be used to push some half assed feminist le girlboss message
Thats pretty much it
Anonymous No.150200187 >>150202361 >>150202433 >>150208450 >>150210338
Basically every female character in comics has an issue around what archetype they are meant to be. Superman is the strong man with a heart of gold, Batman is darker vigilante with trauma. A lot of female characters are??? Like Batman villains like Poison Ivy, Talia, Catwoman all fit that femme fatale. Breaking people down to some sort of archetype is how they have translatable mass appeal.

At her core who is Wonder Woman? She has that ambassador, fish out of water, love and peace but then she's been used over the years to fit all different holes. For penetrable appeal you need that core that normal audiences can cling on to and get.
Anonymous No.150200209
>>150199426
And? Read my post again. It's much easier to get casuals caring about Harley than Diana.
Anonymous No.150201290
>>150198546
It's actually Lois Lane, Superwoman.
Anonymous No.150201323
>>150152770 (OP)
>Cool design
>Old
>Same continuity as Batman and Superman
>Girl
I personally prefer Zatanna as DC's premium girl but I cant put my girl Wonded Woman down. I legitimately really like her. Its fun her backstory isnt as popular so writers can mess with it more than Batman or Superman's. Wonder Woman is pretty much different in every universe shes in.
The old Cartoon did a great job making her more relatable.
Anonymous No.150201973
>>150167214
so /co/ and /v/ have similar problems.
Anonymous No.150202150 >>150203079 >>150210038
>>150198101
Bruce Timm would always inject his fetish shit anytime he could in any of his works.
Anonymous No.150202361 >>150202440
>>150200187
I think it's funny that people think normies care about this big brain shit
Anonymous No.150202433
>>150200187
meanwhile Flash and Green Lantern have even less of a "core" aside from their powers, to the point most people don't even realize there are more than one Flash and one Green Lantern, and nobody cares or claims that's a problem. Even what most people know about Barry Allen now are recent additions.
Anonymous No.150202440 >>150202456
>>150202361
Anon what the fuck, this is the complete opposite of big brain shit, anon. Normies get simple narratives for characters, they need an "in". Characters without an in are lame, goofy or weird. Culture often informs this shit. Batman's "in" is that he's cool, dark, interesting, people get his motives. It's simple. Superman is messier because he has "too many powers" or is "too good". What's wonder woman's in. She's the girl.
Anonymous No.150202456 >>150202471
>>150202440
>She's the girl.
and that's enough for normies
Anonymous No.150202471
>>150202456
For some normies sure, that's why it answers OPs question, how she can remain sort of popular. Of course this shit is always fixable if there is a good adaptation or some thing else.
Anonymous No.150202475 >>150212450
What is up with all the Wonder Woman threads lately?
Anonymous No.150202493
>>150178671
>>150178914
it's true. feminists want equality but have nothing to say about hypergamy perpetuating social hierarchies under capitalism because then it's no longer a patriarchy if women are the ones enforcing the status quo via mate selection
Anonymous No.150202647
>>150174701
>MFW I'll never be a superhero who teams up with Wonder Woman every now and then
>MFW there will never be a running gag of her not seeing anything odd about carrying me in her cleavage because she lacks pockets
Anonymous No.150203079
>>150202150
and that's a good thing
Anonymous No.150203545
>>150199694
Isn't that basically every superheroine that has ever existed?
Anonymous No.150204495
>>150196935
Choose your Wonder Woman.
Anonymous No.150205970
>>150196935
Kind of hot, not gonna lie.
Anonymous No.150206573
>>150152770 (OP)
Her main archenemy is a cheetah
Anonymous No.150207787
>>150152770 (OP)
Bruce Timm really knew how to make waists.
Anonymous No.150207870
>>150152770 (OP)
First-mover advantage.

>>150158348
>>150158374
Carter definitely helped.
Anonymous No.150208107
>>150196935
Getting triple teamed by Diana, Nubia, and Artemis
Anonymous No.150208450
>>150200187
She has a core, just that it runs contrary to what most writers would want if they get the chance to write her.
>fell in love with Steve Trevor and got inspired by his stories of the outside world to leave and become a superhero

Meanwhile what the writers want to do or depict her as either:
>strong independent woman that needs no man
>loving and kind waifu to their OC/superhero that they self insert as
which leads to them having to forego her actual core and origins unless they want to depict her as an unfaithful whore
Anonymous No.150208599
>>150154173
>which gives the false impression that she's not popular
She isn't.
Popularity, ACTUAL popularity, isn't determined by how many neckbeards post pics of her or of her issues on the internet. Sales of products related to the character are the only true metric of popularity when it comes to superheroes.
And when it comes to Wonder Woman's comics, she can't be defined "popular".
She doesn't do bad in sales generally (for cape comics), she's not Miss/Captain Marvel levels of terrible when it comes to walking the walk, but she's nowhere NEAR the heroes who one might rightfully define "popular".
Not in comics or movies.

The peak of her actual popularity was probably with her TV series, 50 years ago.
She's in the "Trinity" because DC needed female quota.

The only metric by which you can define her as "popular" would be by manipulating the context by which popularity is defined, like here:
>>150162921
>best selling woman-led solo book
Which is peddling bullshit to make a product seem more than what it is.
Cape comics, despite Marvel and DC best attempts, are a white-males dominated medium among the readers.
A "woman-led" book is a fucking irrelevant metric, it's the same bullshit that people use to push shit characters like Harley Quinn.

Another trick is using pre-orders as substitues for sales, hence the "Wondy is doing better than Spidey!" meme bullshit.

Another is talking about "quality", which is subjective and absolutely doesn't directly correlates to popularity.

Don't get me wrong, Wonder Woman is famous. But she isn't popular.
As of why, I don't want to extend this WoT, but if Grant fucking Morrison (or anyone else) can't make a good, POPULAR self-contained story with her, then a good guess would be that it's not the author, it's the character.
Anonymous No.150209310
>>150198991
since when do we have a Chinese Wonder Woman
Anonymous No.150210038
>>150202150
the quality of any Timm project is determined by how acceptable or degenerate his inserted fetish/headcanon ship really is
Anonymous No.150210145 >>150210474
>>150152770 (OP)
AGP, DEI, CRT and IDF.
Anonymous No.150210338
>>150200187
>At her core who is Wonder Woman?
compassionate warrior lady but people get hung up on the ''warrior'' part leaning into the badass sword and shield ''I kill my villains when need be'' aspect
Anonymous No.150210474
>>150210145
but enough about your mental illnesses
Anonymous No.150210835 >>150217337
>150208599
all these words just to say you don't understand anything, how tragic. so much effort wasted trying to convince your fanfiction to others who didn't bother reading your text in the first place
Anonymous No.150210926
>>150161976
>In the neo-sex positivity/Sydney Sweeney era we're in now.
Anonymous No.150211390
>>150161976
that's a man lol
Anonymous No.150211411
>>150198528
Lol no the birds of prey movie proved that dead wrong
Anonymous No.150211506 >>150212020 >>150224343
>>150181781
This post was written by steve hands
Anonymous No.150211887 >>150216773
>>150172983
>>150176455
She looks like she enjoys Super Kyrptonian dicks and belongs in a Big Blue Boyscouts Harem
Anonymous No.150211945
>>150175905
>Only batman self inverters want her to fuck Bruce

No other character is sadder with wondy than batman who is just a big rich ninja nerd who's emo. Why make her miserable?
Anonymous No.150212020 >>150215276
>>150178927
>You are not wrong, but the problem is that I think it is the most well known bad pairing,

It's not that bad. You just don't have to take it seriously.

>>150180029
>>150180986
>>150181781
>>150211506
Batman mary sue status won't save this shifty pairing, you'd literally have to rewrite Wondy as a Batfangirl and pretend Supermsn doesnt exist to make it work.
Anonymous No.150212450
>>150202475
I want to tie her up like one of those anime women.
Anonymous No.150213538 >>150213980 >>150227453
Exactly, what is a good Wonder Woman comics?
Anonymous No.150213980
>>150213538
I'm sorry, that's incorrect, the question was, "How to ask for a comic recommendation for the DC character Wonder Woman in proper English".
Anonymous No.150215276 >>150218082
>>150212020
Supes WISHES he got some of that Themysciran pootang. Wondy is for Batsy and Batsy only.
Anonymous No.150216773
>>150211887
Show us the uncropped version

Go ahead, I dare ya
Anonymous No.150217337
>>150210835
(You) did, and you got mad because I called out your bullshit. Sorry retard, spouting the BS you read from CBR doesn't fool anyone OR make WW popular.
Now go back to fap to Wondy while using your virgin tears as lubricant.
Anonymous No.150217894
>>150167948
What real-world traditions is Zatanna’s magical praxis based on?
Anonymous No.150218082 >>150221099
>>150215276
>Supes wishes

He has tho
Anonymous No.150218235
I blame the new 52
Anonymous No.150219090
>>150152770 (OP)
Your mom doesn’t have any good or interesting stories, just a degenerate slag fucking meth heads, crusty bums and hood thugs. Put she’s still popular as fuck.
Anonymous No.150221099
>>150218082
>that hair grab
h-hot...
Anonymous No.150222437
>>150152770 (OP)
She isn't.
Anonymous No.150222918
>>150162840
femdom is so retarded
Anonymous No.150223707
>>150176455
Absolute. Filth.
Anonymous No.150224343
>>150211506
Anonymous No.150225256
>>150176455
Based
Anonymous No.150226308
huh, funding cuts really are hurting
i havent seen a single one this thread
Anonymous No.150226600 >>150228252
>>150196935
Wht is this game's name again?
Anonymous No.150227453
>>150213538
Perez run, start from there
Anonymous No.150227491 >>150229326
>>150158374
Who is the chick on the right? A writer?
Anonymous No.150227508 >>150227822
>150217337
>still expecting us to believe his fanfiction and erupts into seething when called out
how tragic again, so many words and ad hominems just to cower behind your own insecurities
Anonymous No.150227822
>>150227508
>seething
Sounds like projection, especially considering how you call out "ad hominem" only when it's (You) not doing it. You even came back the day after just to throw a tantrum again, pretty pathetic.
If you don't want others to make fun of your stupidity, don't go around spreading lies just because you have a boner for a fictional character.
It's that simple.
Anonymous No.150228252
>>150226600
Something Unlimited
Anonymous No.150228320
>>150162901
>These people are annoyed with Wonder Woman for some retarded reason, like her being too tough/mean on the Justice League show, or her being a feminist
i wouldn't consider myself a wonder woman fan but to me wonder woman is basically her appearances the DCAU, JL:action, the animated DC movies set in the new 52.

i like the idea of diana being the younger more impulsive/aggressive one of the trinity because it leads to more interesting stories, character developments and interactions with fellow leaguers imo as well as differentiating her from superman in the trinity.
Anonymous No.150228330 >>150228687 >>150229334
Her core character isn't as well defined as batman superman flash and many other's from DC
Anonymous No.150228687 >>150229334
>>150228330
none of the heroes you mentioned are any well-defined in the comics either, it only feels that way because of all the adaptations they've gotten, versus Wonder Woman who only has the Lynda Carter show and the DCEU film
Anonymous No.150229326
>>150227491
you mean Gal Gadot?
Anonymous No.150229334
>>150228330
>>150228687
Because her core character is supposed to be that she became a superhero due to being inspired by Steve's stories of the outside world as well as falling in love with, which happens to conflict with what writers want to do with her as either some waifu to their OC/self insert or a strong independent woman.

Other heroes like Batman or Superman have their hero origins be more flexible in making them either harsher or kinder than their base status as well as being able to fall in love with other characters or fall out of love with their current ones without straying that much to their core origin.
Anonymous No.150230303
>>150152770 (OP)
>popular
She isn't. A lot of her fading relevance comes from the fact that men want to fuck her. That's it
Anonymous No.150230593
>>150197912
Anonymous No.150230735 >>150231883
>there are people in this thread talking about how her character being fucked over by Superman and his editorial team isn't bad or is acceptable
Never imagined /co/ to fall this god damn bad. How many years before its cbr in here, if it isn't already
Anonymous No.150231032
Anonymous No.150231883 >>150232258
>>150230735
/co/ is already CBR + /pol/tard infestation
Anonymous No.150232258 >>150232555
>>150231883
As if it wasn't bad enough with the Supefags, you got CBR leaking in here like the cesspool it is
Anonymous No.150232555 >>150232725
>>150232258
>Supefags
as in Superman fans? or just capeshit fans?
Anonymous No.150232725 >>150232867
>>150232555
Superman fans. The toxic ones. Been a /co/ staple for at least 15 years at this point
Anonymous No.150232867 >>150233267
>>150232725
there's toxic Superman fans for sure but the're far from the worst faggots on this board, which are usually the Spiderschizos about Gwen or Batwank retards or all the cartoonfags seething about sharing a board with comics. and let's not forget the site staple bbc posters
Anonymous No.150232920
>>150158374
Linda absolutely mogged that baby killing kike
Anonymous No.150233267
>>150232867
Didn't say they're the worst, but it ain't supposed to be a competition and they're what I encountered on the threads I'd frequent every now and then. Never read Spiderman so dont know about his schizos, but the Superfags would have you believe you're morally corrupt cause you dont like sucking his dick.

>site staple bbc posters
Thankfully haven't encountered any of those faggots on /co/ so far.